Post by: Jaybird180 on February 25, 2020, 03:11:43 PM
Anyhow, wanted to know what the forum thinks about this article and the Constitutions Art 6 Para 3 regarding the religious test...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-allies-compiled-list-of-disloyal-officials-report/ar-BB10ksaj?ocid=spartanntp
Post by: Lucifer on February 25, 2020, 03:16:58 PM
A bit punny... 😂 (see what I did there with the title)
Anyhow, wanted to know what the forum thinks about this article and the Constitutions Art 6 Para 3 regarding the religious test...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-allies-compiled-list-of-disloyal-officials-report/ar-BB10ksaj?ocid=spartanntp
So what's the religious test? I believe this President, and every President before him has the right to hire or fire anyone in the Executive Branch.
Post by: Rush on February 25, 2020, 03:37:07 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 25, 2020, 04:08:32 PM
Post by: nddons on February 25, 2020, 04:34:29 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 25, 2020, 04:38:20 PM
What are you talking about?
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Post by: Number7 on February 25, 2020, 04:51:43 PM
Jay bird is using the fact that the president fired some officials appointed by his lord and savior, obama which means he has violated the law.
Got it.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 25, 2020, 07:43:53 PM
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 25, 2020, 09:39:03 PM
I didn’t see any mention of a test for religion either - unless loyalty to Trump is considered a religious test? I’d like to see an explanation for that sort of take.I knew there was at least one smart cookie in the jar! Even if it’s only a single cookie 😂😂😂
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 25, 2020, 09:44:49 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 25, 2020, 10:48:56 PM
I knew there was at least one smart cookie in the jar! Even if it’s only a single cookie 😂😂😂
Lucifer, Rush, and Number7 seemed to grok your meaning too, so the jar had several smart cookies. I’m more a slice off the old fruit cake anyway.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 25, 2020, 11:30:07 PM
In my view, the checks and balance the framers envisioned with a tripartite government would falter if Trumpism became the norm in the entire Executive branch the way he believes it should be. Then you no longer have democracy.
I don’t see how the democratic aspects of the republic would be affected by a monoculture (e.g. “Trumpism”) in just one (or even two) of the branches. Three differently populated branches were presumably set up precisely to insure that a monoculture in any one branch would not control the whole government. People would still directly choose their representatives in one branch, indirectly in a second, and those two elected branches agree on the third. Trumpism doesn’t change any of that.
Trump doesn’t accrue anymore power than previous presidents would have simply because he demands loyalty to his policies from executive branch staff. Maybe I’m dense (like fruitcake) and you have deeper insight, but I just don’t see how you come to your conclusion.
Anyway, it is clear that Trump is persuaded by arguments from his advisors, else the U.S. would still not have troops in the middle east and Afghanistan - contrary to his own desires. That and other changes in policies indicates he doesn’t include “yes” men - but like any president, his subordinates are expected to execute orders once decisions are made - not avoid or subvert them without just cause.
Post by: Lucifer on February 26, 2020, 01:22:34 AM
In my view, the checks and balance the framers envisioned with a tripartite government would falter if Trumpism became the norm in the entire Executive branch the way he believes it should be. Then you no longer have democracy.
The President has not required a "religious test" to be a staff member. The article you posted has no mention of a religious test, nor does it even imply in the slightest anything about a religious test.
Every President since Washington has hired staff that will do the job the Executive wishes to have done, and each President has fired individuals when they could not perform their jobs.
Also, let me point out that no where in the constitution is the word democracy mentioned.
So, exactly what point are you trying to make?
Post by: Rush on February 26, 2020, 04:49:49 AM
2. Monoculture does not equal religion
3. Like Jim said checks and balances is between the three branches, not within one branch
4. If you want to complain about monoculture, look no further than the FBI and DOJ
5. Obama did the exact same thing and in fact expanded his monoculture security team times three
So what is your point again? Oh I know! All Republicans are religious fanatics and Trump supporters are a cult.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 26, 2020, 05:43:48 AM
Jay, I think you're just extremely butthurt because Trump is finally getting rid of the Obama holdovers, something he should have done in the beginning.
Post by: Steingar on February 26, 2020, 06:32:09 AM
What is Trumpism? You sound like a typical Progressive claiming that Trump acts like a Dictator. Well what specifically has he done that would be like a dictator? How has he bypassed Congress, and our the courts to implement illegal laws, or illegal policies?He has hired people with little to no experience in the jobs they'll doing strictly due to loyalty. A good example is his new intelligence director. That said, this is his right as POTUS. He can hire whoever he wants for whatever reason. I think the only proviso is Cabinet members get vetted by the Senate.
What specifically? Or are you just another lying, hypocrite Leftist like the other cowardly ones that can't hang here, because their beliefs are stupid and can not be defended?
Post by: Anthony on February 26, 2020, 06:42:09 AM
He has hired people with little to no experience in the jobs they'll doing strictly due to loyalty. A good example is his new intelligence director. That said, this is his right as POTUS. He can hire whoever he wants for whatever reason. I think the only proviso is Cabinet members get vetted by the Senate.
So, hiring people he wants is acting like a Dictator? Obama hired a lot of Maoists (Communists). At least Trump's hires like America. Trump's new Intelligence Director is very qualified to do that job. I think you're just grabbing at straws.
Post by: Rush on February 26, 2020, 06:52:46 AM
And this is what Michael said: it’s Trump’s right as POTUS, so no need to attack him.
Edit afterthought: In fact this is the very reason Trump got elected: his lack of experience in the political arena. The people who elected Trump understood the idea I expressed above, that the status quo in DC has become de facto elite aristocracy and I’m talking about both Democrat and Republican. What we did in 2016 was take a complete outsider, with zero experience in politics, and throw him into the White House in effect telling the ruling elite, “You have become the out-of-touch tyrant we broke from 200 years ago. We need to break from you now. Here’s a guy that we think might remind you that We The People are in charge here, not you.”
Yet another edit: We sure picked the right guy for the job! He is so effective at attacking this ruling elite that they are panicked, and screaming, thrashing about grabbing at any straw to save themselves (Russia Russia! Impeach Impeach!) Absolutely dissolving in hatred and desperate to save their corrupt structure, seething with rage, as Trump lands one blow after another on them and their consort, mainstream media, and all their hard left minions.
Post by: Anthony on February 26, 2020, 07:14:38 AM
In the world of politics, experience is never mandated. In fact, the original idea of classical liberalism (from which our system originates) is that The People control things, not the ones with ruling experience (the aristocrats). This is why anyone can run for an elected office without having served in an elected office in the past, and anyone can be hired for a bureaucratic government job with whatever qualifications the hiring party deems sufficient. In fact, the less experience the better: then you’re more connected with the citizenry.
And this is what Michael said: it’s Trump’s right as POTUS, so no need to attack him.
Edit afterthought: In fact this is the very reason Trump got elected: his lack of experience in the political arena. The people who elected Trump understood the idea I expressed above, that the status quo in DC has become de facto elite aristocracy and I’m talking about both Democrat and Republican. What we did in 2016 was take a complete outsider, with zero experience in politics, and throw him into the White House in effect telling the ruling elite, “You have become the out-of-touch tyrant we broke from 200 years ago. We need to break from you now. Here’s a guy that we think might remind you that We The People are in charge here, not you.”
His evidence that Trump is acting like a "Dictator" is that he hires unqualified people. Which is false. His hires are qualified, and Trump is doing what every previous President has done. He's not a dictator, or anything like a dictator, but that's a popular accusation from the Left, and I am tired of hearing it.
Post by: Number7 on February 26, 2020, 07:23:27 AM
He has hired people with little to no experience in the jobs they'll doing strictly due to loyalty. A good example is his new intelligence director.
You are without a doubt, the blindest man on earth.
Your complaints are so pathetic that hypocrisy doesn't even begin to qualify as a sound definition.
Doesn't someone pointing out your bullshit make you want to play the race card now?
Stupid would be a level you have no hope of achieving, Mike.
Post by: Anthony on February 26, 2020, 07:40:24 AM
Post by: Number7 on February 26, 2020, 07:57:22 AM
^^^^^^Now THAT'S an "attack". ;D
Wait for it.
The race card is all the deranged, left has left to play and it doesn't work anymore, which is why the stakes of the game keep increasing.
Post by: Anthony on February 26, 2020, 08:04:14 AM
Wait for it.
The race card is all the deranged, left has left to play and it doesn't work anymore, which is why the stakes of the game keep increasing.
Well we're all Racist, Sexist, Homophobic, and Xenophobic, but at least from my perspective, I need to stick to the argument, and not attack people. YMMV.
Post by: Steingar on February 26, 2020, 08:05:08 AM
You are without a doubt, the blindest man on earth.
Your complaints are so pathetic that hypocrisy doesn't even begin to qualify as a sound definition.
Doesn't someone pointing out your bullshit make you want to play the race card now?
Stupid would be a level you have no hope of achieving, Mike.
An insult from Number 7! I have been bowled over by the surprise!
Post by: Rush on February 26, 2020, 08:08:41 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 26, 2020, 09:23:29 AM
His evidence that Trump is acting like a "Dictator" is that he hires unqualified people. Which is false. His hires are qualified, and Trump is doing what every previous President has done. He's not a dictator, or anything like a dictator, but that's a popular accusation from the Left, and I am tired of hearing it.
For all of the leftist cries that Trump is a dictator, these morons have not a clue what a real dictator has been.
Thanks to our progressive leftist controlling education the newer generations aren’t exposed to the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc.
Post by: Rush on February 26, 2020, 09:46:41 AM
For all of the leftist cries that Trump is a dictator, these morons have not a clue what a real dictator has been.
Thanks to our progressive leftist controlling education the newer generations aren’t exposed to the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc.
Just look at Bernie Sanders’s platform. That’s a real dictator.
Post by: Lucifer on February 26, 2020, 10:05:13 AM
Just look at Bernie Sanders’s platform. That’s a real dictator.
Yep.
The progressive leftist have cornered the market on projection.
Post by: Lucifer on February 26, 2020, 10:06:04 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 26, 2020, 10:12:33 AM
Post by: jb1842 on February 26, 2020, 10:17:52 AM
For all of the leftist cries that Trump is a dictator, these morons have not a clue what a real dictator has been.
Thanks to our progressive leftist controlling education the newer generations aren’t exposed to the likes of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, etc.
They are, but they liken them to Trump.
Post by: Number7 on February 26, 2020, 11:19:34 AM
So we are awaiting Jaybird to enlighten us on his OP.
I think aunt peggy, I mean jaybird was making a drive by, pointless attack, emulating Mikey the intellectual midget. The amount of pushback
and a sincere request for him to back up his progressive mush.
Post by: Anthony on February 26, 2020, 11:22:18 AM
Tom Steyer, exposed himself last night as a true dictator.
For me, all the Democrats want to install so much government and therefore government control, it will become a dictatorship by default. If you read the Green New Deal, or any variation the Democrats want to adopt it is solely designed to transfer the economy to be totally controlled by government. All more taxes, fees, fines, regulations, and more economic and social "justice" programs.
Post by: Rush on February 26, 2020, 12:15:44 PM
For me, all the Democrats want to install so much government and therefore government control, it will become a dictatorship by default. If you read the Green New Deal, or any variation the Democrats want to adopt it is solely designed to transfer the economy to be totally controlled by government. All more taxes, fees, fines, regulations, and more economic and social "justice" programs.
TRUTH.
Post by: nddons on February 26, 2020, 02:13:44 PM
In the world of politics, experience is never mandated. In fact, the original idea of classical liberalism (from which our system originates) is that The People control things, not the ones with ruling experience (the aristocrats). This is why anyone can run for an elected office without having served in an elected office in the past, and anyone can be hired for a bureaucratic government job with whatever qualifications the hiring party deems sufficient. In fact, the less experience the better: then you’re more connected with the citizenry.^^^^^^^^^*
And this is what Michael said: it’s Trump’s right as POTUS, so no need to attack him.
Edit afterthought: In fact this is the very reason Trump got elected: his lack of experience in the political arena. The people who elected Trump understood the idea I expressed above, that the status quo in DC has become de facto elite aristocracy and I’m talking about both Democrat and Republican. What we did in 2016 was take a complete outsider, with zero experience in politics, and throw him into the White House in effect telling the ruling elite, “You have become the out-of-touch tyrant we broke from 200 years ago. We need to break from you now. Here’s a guy that we think might remind you that We The People are in charge here, not you.”
Yet another edit: We sure picked the right guy for the job! He is so effective at attacking this ruling elite that they are panicked, and screaming, thrashing about grabbing at any straw to save themselves (Russia Russia! Impeach Impeach!) Absolutely dissolving in hatred and desperate to save their corrupt structure, seething with rage, as Trump lands one blow after another on them and their consort, mainstream media, and all their hard left minions.
Best post of the day.
correct.
Post by: Rush on February 26, 2020, 02:58:35 PM
^^^^^^^^^*
Best post of the day.
Thanks. I’d rewrite the last line though to say hard left and never Trumper right minions.
Post by: Jaybird180 on February 26, 2020, 08:06:44 PM
So we are awaiting Jaybird to enlighten us on his OP.
I said I wanted to see what the forum thinks and I got my answer. Did you expect an argument or something? ;D Now that's pathetic. ;D
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 26, 2020, 08:34:52 PM
I said I wanted to see what the forum thinks and I got my answer. Did you expect an argument or something? ;D Now that's pathetic. ;D
I was hoping for a food fight. Hit me with some pie - I’m hungry!
Post by: Lucifer on February 27, 2020, 04:30:59 AM
I said I wanted to see what the forum thinks and I got my answer.
I see. A few times you were asked questions for clarification, so I guess you didn't see the need to reply, or perhaps you simply lacked the understanding of what you posted and can't reply.
Did you expect an argument or something?
How is answering a simple question construed as an argument?
;D Now that's pathetic. ;D
Right.
So to summarize, you misunderstood the constitution, and then you attempted to interject something into the article you posted that wasn't there to back up your misrepresentation of the constitution.
Got it.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 27, 2020, 06:48:39 AM
I said I wanted to see what the forum thinks and I got my answer.
Let's see what other non sequiturs we can ask about...
Here's the jaybird rules: Post an article from the left implying criticism of republicans or President Trump and then ask what "the forum" thinks about the article and something completely unrelated.
There should be no shortage of criticism from the left, so it's a target-rich environment.
oh, and just ask for answers. No discussion allowed.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 27, 2020, 11:28:35 AM
I think aunt peggy, I mean jaybird was making a drive by, pointless attack, emulating Mikey the intellectual midget. The amount of pushback
and a sincere request for him to back up his progressive mush.
Exactly, the person doesn't want to engage intellectually. It's like an insidious virus, just posting nonsense in the hope that someone is turned or places doubt.
Post by: Anthony on February 27, 2020, 02:37:52 PM
Exactly, the person doesn't want to engage intellectually. It's like an insidious virus, just posting nonsense in the hope that someone is turned or places doubt.
We see that occasionally. Mainly trolls like Sooneraviator, Skydog, DavidB (or whomever he was), and a few others, just to get their jollies.