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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Anthony on March 17, 2020, 07:55:40 PM
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I've never seen anything like this in my lifetime. The Virus is real, the response is unreal. Traffic is sparse, lots of stuff closed, people staying home. Very strange.
What are people doing? Lots working from home I know, some still going into work. Anybody able to golf, fly, or do whatever?
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I am retired, so I don't usually go out much anyway, but we have just been ORDERED by our county health officials to stay home and only go out for essential errands ("essential" work, grocery store, gas station, etc.) Evidently this order is legally enforceable and will last for at least three weeks. Big mess, indeed.
Tim
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Also retired so not much change. My wife had her appointment with the ortho doc cancelled yesterday. My PT appointment was not cancelled. Did a bit of shopping yesterday, no eggs to be found, some other stuff not available also. Didn't check the TP aisle, we still have some. Our church has cancelled services, we had 33 last Sunday, we usually have twice that. We went to the movies twice last week and now the theaters are closed down. We've also been out to eat, but not since Friday.
Currently listening to Monica Perez .... https://www.thepropreport.com/dnb-is-this-crisis-actually-preparation-for-a-worse-future-crisis-health-pre-criminals-kid-rocks-last-stand-biz-is-boomin-for-pornhub-3-16-20/ (https://www.thepropreport.com/dnb-is-this-crisis-actually-preparation-for-a-worse-future-crisis-health-pre-criminals-kid-rocks-last-stand-biz-is-boomin-for-pornhub-3-16-20/)
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We had planned a trip back east to see the new grand baby last month but postponed it because we both got colds, so we rescheduled it for this past weekend. We were watching the situation and considered canceling but by Saturday, the day of our flight, there were still no reported cases at either our home location or our destination, and we thought the risk of getting the virus still very low. We also knew as cases exploded we might not get a chance to go back for a long time and hadn’t seen our children/grandchildren in a year as it was. Plus I had business concerning my mother’s accounts that required me to appear in person, so I was able to do that.
We had a great visit but while we were there things ramped up fast and Monday was the day the announcement was made about non-essential travel. Our return flight was Tuesday and it was essential at that point because my husband works in the power industry and is key to keeping the plant operating so we had to get back home. CLT was almost a ghost town. I’ve never seen it like that before. By boarding time there were only about 20 passengers at the gate.
I’m glad we made the trip but we really cut it close. I wouldn’t have gone just 3 days later. Mark went to the store as soon as we got back, they are completely out of eggs, toilet paper and paper towels, and short on sausage and other foods, were low on bottled water but had some.
For some reason just one week before the great toilet paper crisis I had stocked up on t-paper and paper towels, just because I use a lot of it and was anticipating being sick for three weeks. I didn’t foresee a run and shortage but I’m glad I did that, so we are good there. We are on the Blue Apron plan for 3 meals a week and have lots of MREs and dehydrated emergency food plus means to defend ourselves and a whole house generator so we are as prepared as we need to be I suppose.
I work from home anyway so that won’t change. Mark’s work routine is going to be a little different because of keeping the grid up, so they are heavy into planning how to manage that.
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overreaction, panic, chaos.
Both of my shooting clubs have cancelled organized matches... even matches that have fewer than 10 participants (and those participants will be at the club anyway). The ranges are still open for individual shooting. All in the name of "an abudance of caution"
I'm still wondering what criteria will be used to resume normal operations....
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overreaction, panic, chaos.
Both of my shooting clubs have cancelled organized matches... even matches that have fewer than 10 participants (and those participants will be at the club anyway). The ranges are still open for individual shooting. All in the name of "an abudance of caution"
I'm still wondering what criteria will be used to resume normal operations....
When they went from “no gatherings over 250” to “no gatherings over 10”... good grief. We are destroying small businesses and destroying normal human social interaction.
You have to consider risk vs benefit. When you take action to try to get a benefit (in this case fewer virus cases) there is always an opposing cost. But humans stupidly seem to ignore that second part all the time. We don’t even know yet the full extent of the cost but it could theoretically result in equal or more deaths than the virus deaths we prevent.
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Still no furloughs for us but massive flight cuts. Went from quick upgrades to possible job loss in a week. Yet idiots are still walking around the airport coughing without covering their mouths, not washing their hands after using the bathroom, etc. Might have to stage a coughing fit walking through the terminal tomorrow...yes, im an ass. Be well all.
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Still no furloughs for us but massive flight cuts. Went from quick upgrades to possible job loss in a week. Yet idiots are still walking around the airport coughing without covering their mouths, not washing their hands after using the bathroom, etc. Might have to stage a coughing fit walking through the terminal tomorrow...yes, im an ass. Be well all.
My SIL is a flight attendant with Delta. She said they offered her a choice of time off without losing her job but also without pay, or she could keep flying. She chose to keep working.
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We had planned a trip back east to see the new grand baby last month but postponed it because we both got colds, so we rescheduled it for this past weekend. We were watching the situation and considered canceling but by Saturday, the day of our flight, there were still no reported cases at either our home location or our destination, and we thought the risk of getting the virus still very low. We also knew as cases exploded we might not get a chance to go back for a long time and hadn’t seen our children/grandchildren in a year as it was. Plus I had business concerning my mother’s accounts that required me to appear in person, so I was able to do that.
We had a great visit but while we were there things ramped up fast and Monday was the day the announcement was made about non-essential travel. Our return flight was Tuesday and it was essential at that point because my husband works in the power industry and is key to keeping the plant operating so we had to get back home. CLT was almost a ghost town. I’ve never seen it like that before. By boarding time there were only about 20 passengers at the gate.
I’m glad we made the trip but we really cut it close. I wouldn’t have gone just 3 days later. Mark went to the store as soon as we got back, they are completely out of eggs, toilet paper and paper towels, and short on sausage and other foods, were low on bottled water but had some.
For some reason just one week before the great toilet paper crisis I had stocked up on t-paper and paper towels, just because I use a lot of it and was anticipating being sick for three weeks. I didn’t foresee a run and shortage but I’m glad I did that, so we are good there. We are on the Blue Apron plan for 3 meals a week and have lots of MREs and dehydrated emergency food plus means to defend ourselves and a whole house generator so we are as prepared as we need to be I suppose.
I work from home anyway so that won’t change. Mark’s work routine is going to be a little different because of keeping the grid up, so they are heavy into planning how to manage that.
You won't need TP if you eat the MREs.
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You won't need TP if you eat the MREs.
I don't think she is talking about military MRE's, but those provided by Blue Apron, unless I misread the post. That being said, I do know people that keep military MRE's for emergencies, although I don't think they are to the point where they are having to eat them yet. We still have a pretty good supply chain of food going.
I went to one of my local grocery stores yesterday, and was able to get 90% of what I wanted. No TP or paper towels, and the meats were really picked over, but I got most of what I wanted.
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Well things here in hell are fairly the usual, oh, we're "sheltering in place" (sorry, a little hades humor there.
The only thing we are running low on is ice water, but you already knew that.
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I've been WFH for about two months now and I was pretty much stir crazy before all this started. I usually get out of the house every day for something, lately just to take a drive. I have discovered that if I just need one or two things, I can actually go into the store, grab what I need, self checkout and touch almost nothing in the store. We don't need much, our freezer is full, we shopped early.
Been raining a lot here lately so I haven't been out flying...hoping we get a break long enough to fly somewhere, maybe just an hour or two away and come back.
I realized yesterday that I've seen almost the entire Disney+ library, including a lot of stupid things that I should have never watched.
Still negotiating with the War Dept on building a 40x25 workshop in the back yard so I can negotiate about building...RV-9 or maybe just a Zenith. Or I'll leverage all of that to buy something.
So yeah, just life as normal here...
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The only thing we are running low on is ice water, but you already knew that.
I am missing the reference or the humor here. Ice Water? As long as you have power you can make ice in your freezer.
I keep a nice stockpile of ammunition on hand, but I've been making more. Claymores are set up around the perimeter, and the night vision cameras are working as advertised. I only have one crew served weapon, but no crew, so have enlisted the dog to help. He's learning quickly and gets a treat for every reload.
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I am missing the reference or the humor here. Ice Water? As long as you have power you can make ice in your freezer.
I keep a nice stockpile of ammunition on hand, but I've been making more. Claymores are set up around the perimeter, and the night vision cameras are working as advertised. I only have one crew served weapon, but no crew, so have enlisted the dog to help. He's learning quickly and gets a treat for every reload.
It's a hell joke.
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I am missing the reference or the humor here. Ice Water? As long as you have power you can make ice in your freezer.
I keep a nice stockpile of ammunition on hand, but I've been making more. Claymores are set up around the perimeter, and the night vision cameras are working as advertised. I only have one crew served weapon, but no crew, so have enlisted the dog to help. He's learning quickly and gets a treat for every reload.
"People in hell want icewater too" a retort to someone who wants something out of reach. Sorry, more hell humor.
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"People in hell want icewater too" a retort to someone who wants something out of reach. Sorry, more hell humor.
Ah yes, a reference to who and what you are. I should have been a little sharper. Although, if more far left progressive Governors praise Trump (because they want more money) Hell MAY freeze over and you will get your ice water.
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Our large national CPA firm on Saturday came out with some directives:
-No international travel until June 30
-No domestic travel until April 17
-No face-to-face client meetings or internal meetings until at least 3/31 - will likely get extended
-encouraged to work from home at least until 3/31 or or longer. I’d say in an office of 350 people we have less than 75 in the office.
-because we often get clients’ paper tax information, we are quarantining the paper for 2 days before someone processes it.
-we are encouraging all clients to accept electronic, not paper copies of returns. If a state requires a paper return, admin won’t bring them to our office. We will have to go to a specific location to sign the returns with our own pens.
Personally I don’t work well from home. If I close my office door, my only interaction with others is when I pass someone going to the bathroom, or getting ice for my drinks.
In Milwaukee County and now at the state level, all restaurants and bars are closed except for carry out food. All events, including church services, with more than 10 people are banned. (All this was previously (like Monday) the lesser of 50% capacity or 50 people. Now it’s been driven down to 10 people.)
I really worry about the small businesses and their employees.
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I don't think she is talking about military MRE's, but those provided by Blue Apron, unless I misread the post. That being said, I do know people that keep military MRE's for emergencies, although I don't think they are to the point where they are having to eat them yet. We still have a pretty good supply chain of food going.
I went to one of my local grocery stores yesterday, and was able to get 90% of what I wanted. No TP or paper towels, and the meats were really picked over, but I got most of what I wanted.
No they are Mil Specs.
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No they are Mil Specs.
Oh, good for you! They are high calorie because they are designed for soldiers in the field doing strenuous stuff all day. Hikes, combat, work, etc. Good for you for having a back up!
I have some freeze dried meals that I use for backpacking and camping. Not a lot, but enough for a few days, maybe a week if I ration.
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Today is Day 3 of The Great 2020 Hunkering Down, as Powerline Blog calls it.
My husband is bringing computer equipment home today and will work from home. He writes software for a medical diagnostic equipment company. They’re asking anyone who can work from home to do so.
We’re stocked on supplies but I’m tending to want to go to the store and save our nonperishables for real shortages. Same as some here ... eggs, paper supplies, meats are low or no. Depends on when you go to the store. They seem to be constantly restocking.
My stepdaughter was in medical school rotation (Ob/Gyn) in Seattle, the heart of Covid Country here. They sent everyone home so she returned to her home in eastern Washington. She saw some pretty bad things while on rotation ... mask and supply shortages, more and more people admitted with symptoms. If admitted for Covid, your stay will be two weeks at minimum, which takes up beds and care for that time. Overload of the system is what we’re trying to avoid with this Hunkering Down.
As a side note, she said about half the new moms coming into the Seattle hospital were on meth or other hard drugs, and often had had multiple pregnancies. Babies go directly into foster care. Also many people needing care because of smoking or morbid obesity ... they don’t change lifestyle so constantly are in and out of hospital. Sad, sad.
My mom is a very healthy 92, so she’s isolating at home and I bring groceries. She’s very good about finding happiness in her daily routines of prayer, inspirational reading, exercises, and writing and calling people to encourage them.
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I really worry about the small businesses and their employees.
This is a real concern. Many small businesses simply can't take the hit, and will put them out of business. And their employees going unpaid will even over amplify the problem.
IMO this whole situation has been blown way out of proportion. What happens next flu season? Do we do it all again and shut down everything? Or does that depend on who is in the WH?
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Our daughter is a nurse and she was livid over people wearing masks all in the airport and around town. It doesn't do much to protect them but it's creating massive shortages for the real people who need them, healthcare workers in hospitals.
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This is a real concern. Many small businesses simply can't take the hit, and will put them out of business. And their employees going unpaid will even over amplify the problem.
IMO this whole situation has been blown way out of proportion. What happens next flu season? Do we do it all again and shut down everything? Or does that depend on who is in the WH?
The over reaction to this virus may be the new norm ONLY when there is a Republican President in office, or at least a non-progressive, non-globalist, non swamp Republican in office. This is their last gasp to get rid of Trump. He is like the Virus the DC machine (host) wants to kill.
We would not have seen this at all if Hillary were in office. The Media wouldn't be panicking people, in fact they would be suppressing the dangers, as would their Democrat cohorts.
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We keep hearing about flattening the curve, which has the effect of drawing this thing out over a longer time period. What if that is being done on purpose to have control over us longer?
Think about it.
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well, one positive of flattening the curve is to not completely overwhelm our medical resources.
Of couse, it would be easier if people weren't in full panic mode.
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We keep hearing about flattening the curve, which has the effect of drawing this thing out over a longer time period. What if that is being done on purpose to have control over us longer?
Think about it.
The real problem here is we have no demonstrated how quickly we are willing to give up rights and be put under control. The dim playbook just got a new chapter added and is being edited daily to perfect the plan. Hurricane? Floods? Winter storm? Boll weevils? or anything else that can be manufactured into a crisis.
Lock down on liquor stores? Stopping gun sales? Confiscation of personal property? Releasing prisoners? What in the hell has any of that got to do with a virus? Yet these municipalities and state governments are seeing all kinds of power grabs.
The stink in this gets worse every day. We're being played.
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^^^^^^Not only releasing prisoners, but not arresting criminals for theft and other crime. What is to stop widespread looting, car jackings, and other crime? Do they want it to get so bad that Martial Law must be initiated? Will this be another Katrina where the Police show up at your house to confiscate your guns?
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We keep hearing about flattening the curve, which has the effect of drawing this thing out over a longer time period. What if that is being done on purpose to have control over us longer?
Think about it.
I want to know is that true? Or will the virus die out in the same amount of time due to onset of summer? Not sure we know.
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I want to know is that true? Or will the virus die out in the same amount of time due to onset of summer? Not sure we know.
Only time will provide the answer.
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I want to know is that true? Or will the virus die out in the same amount of time due to onset of summer? Not sure we know.
Why would it die out in summer, there are cases in Africa and other warm places.
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I want to know is that true? Or will the virus die out in the same amount of time due to onset of summer? Not sure we know.
With the COVID-19 cases in Australia, it is not inspiring confidence that warm weather will impeded COVID-19.
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Why would it die out in summer, there are cases in Africa and other warm places.
Normal flu behaves differently in temperate regions than it does in tropic and subtropic regions. It likes winter in the former and the rainy season or year round (if there is no rainy season) in the latter. So the fact that it is happening in those warm regions really doesn’t tell us anything about how it will behave in temperate regions once winter is gone.
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COVID-19 is insanely infectious, probably because folks can walk around with it for awhile shedding virus and not knowing. That, and the visions can remain viable on surfaces for days. This is a simple thing folks. The numbers I've been seeing suggest COVID-19 generates a rate of severe disease about 20% of the time. If it really gets loose we'll swamp out all of our medical facilities. Then you'll see the fatality rate go up, way up.
Or you can stomach a bit of inconvenience. I really feel for folks in the restaurant and hospitality industries, they're feeling this hard. I applaud the President's actions toward getting them some relief, they need it.
I'm feverishly trying to get ready to teach remotely. Don't know if it'll work. Wish me luck.
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COVID-19 is insanely infectious, probably because folks can walk around with it for awhile shedding virus and not knowing. That, and the visions can remain viable on surfaces for days. This is a simple thing folks. The numbers I've been seeing suggest COVID-19 generates a rate of severe disease about 20% of the time. If it really gets loose we'll swamp out all of our medical facilities. Then you'll see the fatality rate go up, way up.
Or you can stomach a bit of inconvenience. I really feel for folks in the restaurant and hospitality industries, they're feeling this hard. I applaud the President's actions toward getting them some relief, they need it.
I'm feverishly trying to get ready to teach remotely. Don't know if it'll work. Wish me luck.
Thanks for the info. Good luck with the remote teaching!
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COVID-19 is insanely infectious, probably because folks can walk around with it for awhile shedding virus and not knowing. That, and the visions can remain viable on surfaces for days. This is a simple thing folks. The numbers I've been seeing suggest COVID-19 generates a rate of severe disease about 20% of the time. If it really gets loose we'll swamp out all of our medical facilities. Then you'll see the fatality rate go up, way up.
Or you can stomach a bit of inconvenience. I really feel for folks in the restaurant and hospitality industries, they're feeling this hard. I applaud the President's actions toward getting them some relief, they need it.
I'm feverishly trying to get ready to teach remotely. Don't know if it'll work. Wish me luck.
Yes, good luck! And the thing is, if medical facilities are swamped, people will die from other things, not just that virus. That’s the really scary thing.
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Yes, good luck! And the thing is, if medical facilities are swamped, people will die from other things, not just that virus. That’s the really scary thing.
I'm enjoying getting out for a motorcycle ride right now, fresh air, clear the head, but I'm keeping an eye on hospitals. Once they become busy I'll stop riding as it would suck for a survivable accident to not be because I couldn't get emergent care.
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I'm enjoying getting out for a motorcycle ride right now, fresh air, clear the head, but I'm keeping an eye on hospitals. Once they become busy I'll stop riding as it would suck for a survivable accident to not be because I couldn't get emergent care.
I gave up motorcycle riding and sold both my bikes when I started flying in 1994. At some point, I figure I will be old enough to not care if I get hit by some soccer mom texting or a truck blowing through a red light. :)
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In other news, our church has now cancelled all services, activities, classes, etc. through at least May15th. No Holy week services whatsoever. They will live stream the pastor and a few select individuals for the services.
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In other news, our church has now cancelled all services, activities, classes, etc. through at least May15th. No Holy week services whatsoever. They will live stream the pastor and a few select individuals for the services.
My mother’s senior center is canceled as well as her church for at least a month and she is sitting at home bored to death. Not getting out for a month is going to significantly weaken her.
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My state (WA) reps are sending emails detailing how to find information and how to get financial help from the impact of shutdowns.
“COVID-19 – A sobering threat
In only two weeks, we have jumped to 1,187 confirmed cases in Washington. See the Department of Health website for latest statistics. This includes one case in Franklin County, one in Lincoln County, four cases in Spokane County and eight in neighboring Grant County. This does not take into account the unknown amount of unconfirmed and untested cases. As of yesterday afternoon, March 18, the virus has claimed 66 lives — most in King and Snohomish counties, but one fatality in Grant County. The elderly (people over 60) and those with underlying health conditions are most severely affected.
State and federal leaders believe these numbers will continue to grow — and the United States may be about two weeks behind Spain and Italy in terms of potential devastation from this pandemic. A biologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle estimates there could be as many as 40,000 unconfirmed cases right now in the U.S.”
For these reasons, it is strongly recommended that people practice social distancing (at least six feet) and, if possible, isolate themselves from others by staying and working at home. We realize this may not be completely realistic in some cases, but there are things you can do to protect yourself and your families right now. It's time to take this threat SERIOUSLY.
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My mother’s senior center is canceled as well as her church for at least a month and she is sitting at home bored to death. Not getting out for a month is going to significantly weaken her.
Sorry to hear. This whole thing is hard to take, but soldier on we must!
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Sorry to hear. This whole thing is hard to take, but soldier on we must!
And they (my mother and sister who lives with her) were out of toilet paper! But a nice neighbor gave them 9 rolls. I’ve ordered some from Rite Aid online with a 2 to 4 week back order to send to them. I couldn’t even get Amazon to put any in the cart. Walmart online was “in store only”. What a mess.
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I ordered a case of TP from Amazon on Sunday (Mar 15th). They gave an expected delivery date of April 1.
It just arrived (Mar 19).
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No known cases in our county as yet. Made a shopping trip today. Publix, no egg products or dairy products, next stop Kroger, plenty of eggs on hand, las stop Aldi, also had eggs. Had to go to a jewelers so my wife could pick up a ring she had redone and on the way home we went by Costco, no freaking way. The line was down the side of the building with two police cars parked out front. Their gas, on the other hand, was $1.599 with no waiting.
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They are rationing meat at our Kroger. No more than two packages per person.
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Got myself some supplies today; .223, .45, 9mm, .44 magnum, 20 gauge. Going to dig through my reloading stuff tonight and see what powders and brass is running low.
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My state (WA) reps are sending emails detailing how to find information and how to get financial help from the impact of shutdowns.
“COVID-19 – A sobering threat
In only two weeks, we have jumped to 1,187 confirmed cases in Washington. See the Department of Health website for latest statistics. This includes one case in Franklin County, one in Lincoln County, four cases in Spokane County and eight in neighboring Grant County. This does not take into account the unknown amount of unconfirmed and untested cases. As of yesterday afternoon, March 18, the virus has claimed 66 lives — most in King and Snohomish counties, but one fatality in Grant County. The elderly (people over 60) and those with underlying health conditions are most severely affected.
State and federal leaders believe these numbers will continue to grow — and the United States may be about two weeks behind Spain and Italy in terms of potential devastation from this pandemic. A biologist at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle estimates there could be as many as 40,000 unconfirmed cases right now in the U.S.”
For these reasons, it is strongly recommended that people practice social distancing (at least six feet) and, if possible, isolate themselves from others by staying and working at home. We realize this may not be completely realistic in some cases, but there are things you can do to protect yourself and your families right now. It's time to take this threat SERIOUSLY.
As individually tragic as it may be, 40,000 cases at the current morbidity rate is "only" 556 deaths. A lot more people than that died in car accidents this month.
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As individually tragic as it may be, 40,000 cases at the current morbidity rate is "only" 556 deaths. A lot mote people than that died in car accidents this month.
Thank you! Let’s keep this in perspective.
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As individually tragic as it may be, 40,000 cases at the current morbidity rate is "only" 556 deaths. A lot more people than that died in car accidents this month.
Statistics, facts and perspective have no place when Globalist Progressive, Fundamental Transformation is at stake.
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Statistics, facts and perspective have no place when Globalist Progressive, Fundamental Transformation is at stake.
Or panicked hysterical mobs.
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Or panicked hysterical mobs.
Mobs fed by the radical, power-hungry left and their willing accomplices in the media.
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My wife saw something happen today that I'm glad I didn't see.
She was at the grocery store picking up a few items we need. As is usual these days, the produce section was nearly bare, as were many other areas. As she approached the canned tuna (she was not buying any) she saw this event play out: There were 20-25 cans of tuna on the shelf. A woman walked up, positioned her shopping cart close to the shelf, and with a single arm motion swooped all the cans of tuna into her cart. Another woman, with two small children, one riding in the cart and the other, a five or six year old, walking along, said something like "If you don't mind, I could use a few cans of that tuna for my kids."
The tuna-swooper looked directly at her and then turned and walked away without saying a word. The mother started to cry.
Please, people. Do you think something like this would have happened in London in 1942? "Keep calm and carry on." Good advice then, and good advice now.
Tim
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Some stores are limiting quantities of certain items. Stores always had that right and I'm glad they are doing it.
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My wife saw something happen today that I'm glad I didn't see.
She was at the grocery store picking up a few items we need. As is usual these days, the produce section was nearly bare, as were many other areas. As she approached the canned tuna (she was not buying any) she saw this event play out: There were 20-25 cans of tuna on the shelf. A woman walked up, positioned her shopping cart close to the shelf, and with a single arm motion swooped all the cans of tuna into her cart. Another woman, with two small children, one riding in the cart and the other, a five or six year old, walking along, said something like "If you don't mind, I could use a few cans of that tuna for my kids."
The tuna-swooper looked directly at her and then turned and walked away without saying a word. The mother started to cry.
Please, people. Do you think something like this would have happened in London in 1942? "Keep calm and carry on." Good advice then, and good advice now.
Tim
I hope the stores refuse to accept returns when this all blows over. Whenever (is that one word) that is.
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Yes, where is all the focus on the world is ending due to MAN'S INDUSTRIALIZATION? This shut crazy Greta up, didn't it?
Where are the "Hands up, don't shoot" people from BLM and ANTIFA?
How about the Open Borders, free healthcare, free college foe ILLEGAL ALIENS folks? Do you really want the unwashed, potentially criminal illegal hordes descending upon YOUR local hospital?
Why aren't the Progressives in gated communities opening their gates, and their backyards to the homeless, and ILLEGAL Aliens? Hypocrites.
Yet more GUN CONTROL, added to the 22,000 gun laws already on the books? Backing gun bans and confiscations still? How many anti (legal) gun Progressives are now clamoring to get guns and ammunition only to find how DIFFICULT it is to do so, after being told by the media they can just order them on the internet and they will show up at your door
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-20/virus-drug-touted-by-trump-musk-can-kill-with-just-two-grams
Media scare tactics in full swing.
Virus Drug Touted by Trump, Musk Can Kill With Just Two Gram Dose
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-20/virus-drug-touted-by-trump-musk-can-kill-with-just-two-grams
Media scare tactics in full swing.
YGBFSM!!! Totally irresponsible. That drug is in the class that’s commonly used to treat rheumatoid arthritis, I’ve taken it myself! Like any drug it has side effects and its safety is dose dependent.
They are taking normal drug facts and deliberately using them to try to make Trump look bad.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-20/virus-drug-touted-by-trump-musk-can-kill-with-just-two-grams
Media scare tactics in full swing.
Bloomberg. Need I say anything more?
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Last night we ventured to Cracker Barrel for dinner. Dining room was open, maybe six others dining in with us. Menu is one double side page laminated. One side was some breakfast item, the other was lunch/dinner. We enjoyed a nice quiet dinner and great service.
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Last night we ventured to Cracker Barrel for dinner. Dining room was open, maybe six others dining in with us. Menu is one double side page laminated. One side was some breakfast item, the other was lunch/dinner. We enjoyed a nice quiet dinner and great service.
In my state, all restaurants and bars are closed to on premises activity. Take out only. The Governor indicated the penalties for non-compliance are fines, and potential loss of operating license. Members of the SS and Gestapo are acting as faux "diners" to catch those in non-compliance.
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Fucking propaganda. Hydroxychloroquine is the "safer" formulation.
No one is proposing that EVERYONE be given doses, only the most likely to get fatally ill.
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YGBFSM!!! Totally irresponsible. That drug is in the class that’s commonly used to treat rheumatoid arthritis, I’ve taken it myself! Like any drug it has side effects and its safety is dose dependent.
They are taking normal drug facts and deliberately using them to try to make Trump look bad.
I currently take hydroxychloroquine (trade name Plaquinel) for RA. Current average dose is 300 mg (0.3 g) a day. The Chinese were using chloroquine phosphate, which is more dangerous than the hydroxychloroquine form. It’s long term (years of daily use) danger is retinopathy - partial or complete blindness.
The article is a pretty disgusting hit piece (starting with the title “Trump’s Coronavirus Drug” and its first paragraph) that deliberately tries to torpedo a promising antiviral medicine in order to make a political attack. Groups in China, Korea, Italy, and France have all observed good results, but they only had time and resources to do what are called open-label testing or non-blind testing, and have not had time to publish complete peer-reviewed papers.
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So, we're saying if he did have a cure for cancer, the left would find fault with it ::)
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So, we're saying if he did have a cure for cancer, the left would find fault with it ::)
but expect it to be given away free for everyone except those "that can afford it"
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I currently take hydroxychloroquine (trade name Plaquinel) for RA. Current average dose is 300 mg (0.3 g) a day. The Chinese were using chloroquine phosphate, which is more dangerous than the hydroxychloroquine form. It’s long term (years of daily use) danger is retinopathy - partial or complete blindness.
The article is a pretty disgusting hit piece (starting with the title “Trump’s Coronavirus Drug” and its first paragraph) that deliberately tries to torpedo a promising antiviral medicine in order to make a political attack. Groups in China, Korea, Italy, and France have all observed good results, but they only had time and resources to do what are called open-label testing or non-blind testing, and have not had time to publish complete peer-reviewed papers.
I just got back from my doctor and asked him if he is stocking up on Plaquinel, and he said, “Can’t get it. The government is locking it all down. If it’s like Cipro with the anthrax scare, it may be years before we can get it again.”
I said, “What about people with RA who are on it?” And he said, “They’ll have to take something else.”
What do you hear Jim? Is your Plaquinel source drying up?
And here’s my question, if the FDA and CDC want to do a bunch of studies to “prove it works” before we can use it, why are they already hoarding it? They know damn well it works! And are they going to ration it, decide who gets a dose and who doesn’t? Anybody know the plan here?
And the $65,000 question: is Plaquenil one of those drugs we are getting mostly from China?
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I just got back from my doctor and asked him if he is stocking up on Plaquinel, and he said, “Can’t get it. The government is locking it all down. If it’s like Cipro with the anthrax scare, it may be years before we can get it again.”
I said, “What about people with RA who are on it?” And he said, “They’ll have to take something else.”
What do you hear Jim? Is your Plaquinel source drying up?
I had a refill just prior to news breaking that Plaquinel may be helpful for C-19. My refill will last a couple months, so haven't been affected by any local scarcity and hopefully wont need to for several months. That said, it is just one of two drugs I take (the other being Methotrexate) and I would likely need to come off Plaquenil eventually anyway unless I want to keep increasing the odds of retinopathy. But I have been reading stories of lupus and RA patients unable to fill their Plaquenil prescriptions.
And here’s my question, if the FDA and CDC want to do a bunch of studies to “prove it works” before we can use it, why are they already hoarding it? They know damn well it works! And are they going to ration it, decide who gets a dose and who doesn’t? Anybody know the plan here?
I read a news article today (sorry, there are so many that I haven't been noting when and where I see them, so haven't got a link) that a U.S. trial started on Tuesday. If it works as fast as has been observed elsewhere, I would guess that preliminary results would be available in 7 to 10 days.
Plaquenil (and Methotrexate) when used in autoimmune diseases generally take weeks to wear off - and weeks to begin working. And there may be (expensive) biologic alternatives to those who need it. Since autoimmune diseases merely increase mortality over the course of decades, in a shortage I could see us having lower priority to those with a disease whose mortality is measured in days.
And the $65,000 question: is Plaquenil one of those drugs we are getting mostly from China?
I don't know how much China produces. A web search indicates that pharmaceutical company Mylan has said it is restarting production of the drug at its West Virginia manufacturing facility. India has stopped the export of the drug and according to this article is one of the world's largest manufacturers of it: https://fortune.com/2020/03/25/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-trump-india-export/ (https://fortune.com/2020/03/25/coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-trump-india-export/). It is allegedly fairly inexpensive to make so I suspect there are factories scattered around the world that can make it.
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Oh God, Luci... my eyes! My eyes!
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Oh God, Luci... my eyes! My eyes!
don't bait them...
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She's just adjusting her thong. (I'll let your imagination work on that one) ;)
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She's just adjusting her thong. (I'll let your imagination work on that one) ;)
Yeah, but can't they use more attractive female examples of poor hygiene? ;D