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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on March 23, 2020, 09:24:15 AM
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On Sunday I saw the Michigan Democrat governor complaining about the lack of test kits. Elsewhere I’ve heard it’s not the lack of kits, but the lack of testing facilities.
Every state in the union has world class universities, with PhDs and some MDs doing research in many fields. They have an army of graduate assistants and undergraduate students helping in their efforts.
Why can’t that brain power and man power be used to develop test kits, or do the testing currently being done by labs, in order to help out their states and the country?
In WWII Singer Sewing Machine Company built M1911A1, the Sperry T-1 bomb sight, and B-29 instruments. Whirlpool built parts for P-40 Warhawks, tanks, and engines. Maytag built components for the B-17, B-26, B-29, and the P-51.
So universities can’t build test kits?
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On Sunday I saw the Michigan Democrat governor complaining about the lack of test kits. Elsewhere I’ve heard it’s not the lack of kits, but the lack of testing facilities.
Every state in the union has world class universities, with PhDs and some MDs doing research in many fields. They have an army of graduate assistants and undergraduate students helping in their efforts.
Why can’t that brain power and man power be used to develop test kits, or do the testing currently being done by labs, in order to help out their states and the country?
In WWII Singer Sewing Machine Company built M1911A1, the Sperry T-1 bomb sight, and B-29 instruments. Whirlpool built parts for P-40 Warhawks, tanks, and engines. Maytag built components for the B-17, B-26, B-29, and the P-51.
So universities can’t build test kits?
They could, but would want more grant money to do it. Higher education is a business after all.
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Early on a university researcher happened to have a test that could have been modified to test for the virus and asked the FDA for approval. The FDA denied the request and basically said they would direct the development of a new test. That didn’t go well.
The FDA web page on current emergency use authorizations (EUA):
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/emergency-situations-medical-devices/emergency-use-authorizations (https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/emergency-situations-medical-devices/emergency-use-authorizations)
The FDA took weeks to loosen its grip on testing and wasn’t till Feb 29 that they claimed they had loosened their EUA policy. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-new-policy-help-expedite-availability-diagnostics (https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-new-policy-help-expedite-availability-diagnostics)
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Early on a university researcher happened to have a test that could have been modified to test for the virus and asked the FDA for approval. The FDA denied the request and basically said they would direct the development of a new test. That didn’t go well.
The FDA web page on current emergency use authorizations (EUA):
https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/emergency-situations-medical-devices/emergency-use-authorizations (https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/emergency-situations-medical-devices/emergency-use-authorizations)
The FDA took weeks to loosen its grip on testing and wasn’t till Feb 29 that they claimed they had loosened their EUA policy. https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-new-policy-help-expedite-availability-diagnostics (https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-issues-new-policy-help-expedite-availability-diagnostics)
Thanks for the info Jim. What I wonder about is why was it “a” university researcher? Why didn’t most universities feel the need to jump into the fray? Why didn’t the states tell their universities to do something?
I’m not pointing fingers at you or Steingar for example. I’m just saying that I see a huge amount of untapped brain power and man power, yet a lot of pointing fingers from the same people who could marshal such resources.
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Thanks for the info Jim. What I wonder about is why was it “a” university researcher? Why didn’t most universities feel the need to jump into the fray? Why didn’t the states tell their universities to do something?
I’m not pointing fingers at you or Steingar for example. I’m just saying that I see a huge amount of untapped brain power and man power, yet a lot of pointing fingers from the same people who could marshal such resources.
I had to track down the article where I read about the researcher. It is here:
https://reason.com/2020/03/11/how-government-red-tape-stymied-testing-and-made-the-coronavirus-epidemic-worse/ (https://reason.com/2020/03/11/how-government-red-tape-stymied-testing-and-made-the-coronavirus-epidemic-worse/)
Quoting in part:
“The United States is home to the most innovative biotech companies and university research laboratories in the world. That fact should have given our country a huge advantage with respect to detecting and monitoring emerging cases of COVID-19 caused by the new coronavirus outbreak.
Instead, as The New York Times reports in a terrific new article, officials at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) stymied private and academic development of diagnostic tests that might have provided an early warning and a head start on controlling the epidemic that is now spreading across the country.
As the Times reports, Seattle infectious disease expert Dr. Helen Chu had, by January, collected a huge number of nasal swabs from local residents who were experiencing symptoms as part of a research project on flu. She proposed, to federal and state officials, testing those samples for coronavirus infections. As the Times reports, the CDC told Chu and her team that they could not test the samples unless their laboratory test was approved by the FDA. The FDA refused to approve Chu's test on the grounds that her lab, according to the Times, "was not certified as a clinical laboratory under regulations established by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, a process that could take months."
In the meantime, the CDC required that public health officials could only use the diagnostic test designed by the agency. That test released on February 5 turned out to be badly flawed. The CDC's insistence on a top-down centralized testing regime greatly slowed down the process of disease detection as the infection rate was accelerating.
A frustrated Chu and her colleagues began testing on February 25 without government approval. They almost immediately detected a coronavirus infection in a local teenager with no recent travel history. Chu warned local public health officials of her lab's finding and the teenager's school was closed as a precaution. The teen's diagnosis strongly suggested that the disease had been circulating throughout the western part of Washington for weeks. We now know that that is likely true.
Did the FDA and CDC functionaries commend Chu for being proactive? Not at all. Washington state epidemiologist Scott Lindquist recalled, "What they said on that phone call very clearly was cease and desist to Helen Chu. Stop testing." On February 29, the FDA finally agreed to unleash America's vibrant biotech companies and academic labs by allowing them to develop and deploy new tests for the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.“
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I had to track down the article where I read about the researcher. It is here:
https://reason.com/2020/03/11/how-government-red-tape-stymied-testing-and-made-the-coronavirus-epidemic-worse/ (https://reason.com/2020/03/11/how-government-red-tape-stymied-testing-and-made-the-coronavirus-epidemic-worse/)
Quoting in part:
“The United States is home to the most innovative biotech companies and university research laboratories in the world. That fact should have given our country a huge advantage with respect to detecting and monitoring emerging cases of COVID-19 caused by the new coronavirus outbreak.
Instead, as The New York Times reports in a terrific new article, officials at the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) stymied private and academic development of diagnostic tests that might have provided an early warning and a head start on controlling the epidemic that is now spreading across the country.
As the Times reports, Seattle infectious disease expert Dr. Helen Chu had, by January, collected a huge number of nasal swabs from local residents who were experiencing symptoms as part of a research project on flu. She proposed, to federal and state officials, testing those samples for coronavirus infections. As the Times reports, the CDC told Chu and her team that they could not test the samples unless their laboratory test was approved by the FDA. The FDA refused to approve Chu's test on the grounds that her lab, according to the Times, "was not certified as a clinical laboratory under regulations established by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, a process that could take months."
In the meantime, the CDC required that public health officials could only use the diagnostic test designed by the agency. That test released on February 5 turned out to be badly flawed. The CDC's insistence on a top-down centralized testing regime greatly slowed down the process of disease detection as the infection rate was accelerating.
A frustrated Chu and her colleagues began testing on February 25 without government approval. They almost immediately detected a coronavirus infection in a local teenager with no recent travel history. Chu warned local public health officials of her lab's finding and the teenager's school was closed as a precaution. The teen's diagnosis strongly suggested that the disease had been circulating throughout the western part of Washington for weeks. We now know that that is likely true.
Did the FDA and CDC functionaries commend Chu for being proactive? Not at all. Washington state epidemiologist Scott Lindquist recalled, "What they said on that phone call very clearly was cease and desist to Helen Chu. Stop testing." On February 29, the FDA finally agreed to unleash America's vibrant biotech companies and academic labs by allowing them to develop and deploy new tests for the coronavirus that causes COVID-19.“
Holy fuck. Heads need to roll, and Trump is the man to do it.
Thanks for the article.
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I sincerely hope that the president FIRES a great number of Swamp Dwellers.
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Agree!
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I sincerely hope that the president FIRES a great number of Swamp Dwellers.
He'll have more flexibility to fire people after the election.
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FDA, CDC - Deep state at its finest. I saw Trump refer to the State Dept recently as the DEEP STATE DEPT. Love it.
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Trumps biggest failure as president wasn't cleaning house of all Obama's government appointments the day he was sworn in.
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Trumps biggest failure as president wasn't cleaning house of all Obama's government appointments the day he was sworn in.
Don't disagree. But right after he was elected, the swamp surrounded him to "advise" him. Remember that fuckin' slimeball Paul Ryan who immediately jumped to his side, only to continually backstab him. Then there was Jeff "Benedict Arnold" Sessions who unleashed the Russia Hoax. I could go on and on.
But you're right, if he could have clean swept the gov he would have been much better off. Hopefully future Presidents will learn from this, and I do feel after the election he will start mass firings.
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Don't disagree. But right after he was elected, the swamp surrounded him to "advise" him. Remember that fuckin' slimeball Paul Ryan who immediately jumped to his side, only to continually backstab him. Then there was Jeff "Benedict Arnold" Sessions who unleashed the Russia Hoax. I could go on and on.
But you're right, if he could have clean swept the gov he would have been much better off. Hopefully future Presidents will learn from this, and I do feel after the election he will start mass firings.
I wonder if Fauci and the other “disease experts” are doing that to him right now? I ask again, where was Fauci with all his draconian advice during SARS?
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I wonder if Fauci and the other “disease experts” are doing that to him right now? I ask again, where was Fauci with all his draconian advice during SARS?
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/video-of-dr-fauci-in-2009-is-unearthed-shows-a-calm-and-unalarmed-nih-chief-during-h1n1-epidemic-that-killed-over-12-thousand-americans/
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Holy fuck. Heads need to roll, and Trump is the man to do it.
Aren't there any special powers than can be enacted to bypass the red tape and hoop jumping? Holy shit, get the job done, fix the paperwork later.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/video-of-dr-fauci-in-2009-is-unearthed-shows-a-calm-and-unalarmed-nih-chief-during-h1n1-epidemic-that-killed-over-12-thousand-americans/
Well, isn’t THAT interesting. Fauci is the hero of the left, “standing up to Trump” especially given his slight stature.
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Fauci is a fraud. He's a part of the swamp, a liberal and a liberal contributor. See his glowing emails to Hillary during 2016?
Yep, when BHO was President and H1N1 was infecting 60 million, hospitalizing 300,000 and killing 12,000, Fauci saw no reason for alarm.
Now that the swamp is controlling the narrative, Fauci is all in to kill the economy.
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Fauci is a NYC Progressive, Hillary worshipper.