PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on March 29, 2020, 08:11:40 PM
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https://townhall.com/columnists/chadsavage/2020/03/29/beware-limitations-of-freedom-imposed-to-battle-coronavirus-n2565915
The drastic measures elected and unelected officials are taking to stem coronavirus (COVID-19) contagion reached new heights when President Trump invoked the Defense Production Act on March 18, 2020. The Korean War–era law grants the executive branch emergency powers to require American companies to increase production to combat shortages. Meanwhile, at the state level, governors have prohibited people from making purchases by closing bars, restaurants, spas, and salons.
Officials speculate the pandemic may overwhelm our limited medical resources. But as long as their data remains woefully incomplete, we must remember Newton’s Third Law of Physics: “For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.” The draconian restrictions officials are imposing could spark an economic catastrophe more disruptive to American life than the coronavirus itself. So, officials should restrain themselves from depriving people of their freedom to transact unless or until irrefutably necessary.
Imagine if I told you that, by taking a drastic action, we could prevent tens of thousands of deaths and hundreds of thousands of hospitalizations every single year. Would you deem that a worthy intervention? The reflexive reaction is, of course, “Yes.” However, if I told you that action was outlawing all motor vehicles so we could eliminate motor vehicle accidents, then you may rapidly change your mind. You may decide that the benefits of driving justify the risks, and you would be correct.
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Exactly. I’m finding myself doubting that Trump is doing the right thing. But he is in an impossible position. Imagine what the left would do if he didn’t. He really is walking a tightrope.
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https://townhall.com/columnists/chadsavage/2020/03/29/beware-limitations-of-freedom-imposed-to-battle-coronavirus-n2565915
In the referenced article is the statement "Officials speculate the pandemic may overwhelm our limited medical resources."
It's not the COVID-19 pandemic overwhelming our medical resources, it's the panic that been incited by irresponsible people.
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In the referenced article is the statement "Officials speculate the pandemic may overwhelm our limited medical resources."
It's not the COVID-19 pandemic overwhelming our medical resources, it's the panic that been incited by irresponsible people.
That's what the Media and Democrats want. Panic and an overwhelmed medical system. They also want to extend this to the election.
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So I am already being a victim of limitations of my freedom. I moved back to Ohio on the 17th of this month. On the 18th, the state suspended all BMV services, except for commercial licenses at 5 locations. Guess what you need to (or make a hell of a lot easier) to register to vote, or buy a firearm? A state issued ID! Even my county election board won't let me register in person with a copy of my utility bill. I have to mail it in. I'm not mailing anything in if I don't have to. I can't vote in the primary, so I have time to register before November. I called the ATF and they said that a copy of my mortgage and a picture ID will satisfy ID requirement for a pistol purchase, but the local gun store says I need to have an Ohio issued ID. Is it worth the effort to try to make a purchase and get the run around? I emailed my local Senator, and her office emailed me back in less than an hour about this. Seems like this is an unforeseen circumstance with blanket closing on everything. If dry cleaners and marijuana growers/distributors are essential services, then state offices should be essential services.
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If dry cleaners and marijuana growers/distributors are essential services, then state offices should be essential services.
If the government offices are not essential services they should be shut down and the folks laid off. Save some bucks.
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So I am already being a victim of limitations of my freedom. I moved back to Ohio on the 17th of this month. On the 18th, the state suspended all BMV services, except for commercial licenses at 5 locations. Guess what you need to (or make a hell of a lot easier) to register to vote, or buy a firearm? A state issued ID! Even my county election board won't let me register in person with a copy of my utility bill. I have to mail it in. I'm not mailing anything in if I don't have to. I can't vote in the primary, so I have time to register before November. I called the ATF and they said that a copy of my mortgage and a picture ID will satisfy ID requirement for a pistol purchase, but the local gun store says I need to have an Ohio issued ID. Is it worth the effort to try to make a purchase and get the run around? I emailed my local Senator, and her office emailed me back in less than an hour about this. Seems like this is an unforeseen circumstance with blanket closing on everything. If dry cleaners and marijuana growers/distributors are essential services, then state offices should be essential services.
That is a great example of unforeseen consequences. It sounds like the gun store doesn’t understand the requirement?
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That is a great example of unforeseen consequences. It sounds like the gun store doesn’t understand the requirement?
I won an auction the other day for a pistol. Problem is the auction house is a 3 hour round trip. I've been in contact with them, and they don't seem to get it.
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I won an auction the other day for a pistol. Problem is the auction house is a 3 hour round trip. I've been in contact with them, and they don't seem to get it.
So they won't sell without an OH Driver's License? Sometimes these stores have their own policy that supersedes Fed law, so they can be d-bags about it.
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So they won't sell without an OH Driver's License? Sometimes these stores have their own policy that supersedes Fed law, so they can be d-bags about it.
Pretty much. Probably so set in what they do, they either don't know what other documentation is acceptable, or they don't want to tale the extra effort. And the 2 stores are really good with great people, so I'm thinking it's either store policy or they just don't know.
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Pretty much. Probably so set in what they do, they either don't know what other documentation is acceptable, or they don't want to tale the extra effort. And the 2 stores are really good with great people, so I'm thinking it's either store policy or they just don't know.
They’re probably covering their ass too. Maybe talk to the owner, not the guy at the counter, and show them something in writing from the ATF, if you can get what they told you in writing, and let them put that in their file then maybe they’ll do it for you?
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I'm amazed at the people who are ready to surrender their rights and our constitution under all this. People are already just accepting the government can't suspend the constitution "to protect us". It's in times like these we really need our constitution.
Governors demanding certain businesses be closed, demanding churches be closed, demanding citizens not to peacefully assemble, where does it stop?
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A minister was just arrested in Florida for holding a church service. He was charged with a misdemeanor.
Here's what the first amendment says: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
So congress shall make no law "prohibiting the free exercise thereof" of this church holding a service. Also, this amendment states "the right of the people to peaceably assemble". How is it the state of Florida can charge this man and break up his church service?
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They love them some of that Totalitarianism! https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/dc-mayor-threatens-jail-time-for-leaving-home-during-coronavirus/
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They love them some of that Totalitarianism! https://nypost.com/2020/03/30/dc-mayor-threatens-jail-time-for-leaving-home-during-coronavirus/
I normally disagree with stuff the ACLU does but once in a while I agree with them.
The ACLU of DC filed a lawsuit Monday seeking the appointment of an expert to help depopulate the city’s only jail of elderly, health-compromised and non-violent inmates. Many inmates are awaiting trial.
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This is why they hate that we can legally own guns.
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Pretty much. Probably so set in what they do, they either don't know what other documentation is acceptable, or they don't want to tale the extra effort. And the 2 stores are really good with great people, so I'm thinking it's either store policy or they just don't know.
Or they’re afraid of the local LEOs or the ATF and are doing what they think will keep them out of potential trouble. I feel for these FFL holders. They don’t make enough for the hoops they have to jump through.
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Or they’re afraid of the local LEOs or the ATF and are doing what they think will keep them out of potential trouble. I feel for these FFL holders. They don’t make enough for the hoops they have to jump through.
I use to be an 01 FFL holder, meaning that I could legally buy and sell firearms as a dealer. I originally applied for one as I was doing some rifle and pistol accurizing with a lot of drop in mods that sometimes needed some fitting and other work for friends, so it was more of a hobby, but I wanted to be totally legal and did not want unnecessary liability. Plus I toyed with the idea of a side business, or even perhaps my own line of modified, target firearms for competition.
In order to finalize getting the FFL license I had to be interviewed by a BATF agent in my home. An agent came over and proceeded to LIE to me and also try to intimidate me. This was during the Clinton Admin when they were trying everything they could to reduce the number of FFL holders. He said I could NOT buy or sell, especially at gun shows and that my license was only good for gunsmithing. TOTAL out and out B.S.
My point is that the BATF and even local law enforcement can harass and lie to gun stores about whatever they want including the I.D. requirements to buy, sell, etc. Our State Police is forbidden by Statute from keeping a gun "Registry". Well they keep a record and serial numbers of all firearms transactions but call it a LIST instead of a "registry" so they get away with it. >:(