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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 02, 2020, 06:56:05 AM
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(In the US)
More than a quarter million deaths due to medical errors
More than 38,000 motor vehicle deaths
More than 34,000 deaths due to the seasonal flu
More than 28,000 drownings
How many drug overdoses?
200 deaths from being struck by a motor vehicle backing up
COVID-19 projected to have 80,000 to a quarter million deaths
Compare and contrast what is done about these deaths (and who pays for the measures, if any)
Where do you draw the line?
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(In the US)
More than a quarter million deaths due to medical errors
More than 38,000 motor vehicle deaths
More than 34,000 deaths due to the seasonal flu
More than 28,000 drownings
How many drug overdoses?
200 deaths from being struck by a motor vehicle backing up
COVID-19 projected to have 80,000 to a quarter million deaths
Compare and contrast what is done about these deaths (and who pays for the measures, if any)
Where do you draw the line?
Opioid deaths account for approximately 80,000 deaths a year in the US, with 70% being from illicit means. And it's a fact that China is the largest producer of opioids and has been supply the underground to get them into the US.
Where's the outrage? President Trump has addressed this head on, whereas the previous administrations gave it little notice.
Veterans commit suicide at the rate of 7,000+ a year, and no one even blinks an eye.
The third highest cause of death in the US is medical malpractice ranging from 250,000 to 400,000 per year, and except for the lawyers, we hear little about this.
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We also accept 35,000 - 40,000 traffic deaths in the U.S. annually, so we make $$$ vs. lives decisions all the time. This is ridiculous.
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Lots of dumb here. Can't have autos without auto deaths. We've got vaccines and treatments for the flu, can't do much more than that. People drown in bodies of water, have since the beginning of time. If this Coronavirus is left alone it WILL kill millions (2% of the US population is 6 million dead) and overwhelm our health system. 20% severe cases (A number I've seen multiple times) means 60 million. No vaccine and no treatment to speak of.
All you conservatives care about is what's good for business. You don't seem to give a shit that massive numbers of people are going to die.
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Lots of dumb here. Can't have autos without auto deaths. We've got vaccines and treatments for the flu, can't do much more than that. People drown in bodies of water, have since the beginning of time. If this Coronavirus is left alone it WILL kill millions (2% of the US population is 6 million dead) and overwhelm our health system. 20% severe cases (A number I've seen multiple times) means 60 million. No vaccine and no treatment to speak of.
All you conservatives care about is what's good for business. You don't seem to give a shit that massive numbers of people are going to die.
BULLSHIT. You have NO IDEA how many would die if we had just taken the same precautions we've taken in past virus outbreaks. This is NO WORSE than previous ones. Good for business? How about GOOD FOR LIFE and a common sense, reasonable approach instead of DEMOCRAT/MEDIA fueled panic???
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If this Coronavirus is left alone it WILL kill millions (2% of the US population is 6 million dead)
You're some kind of professor? Where did you come up with that "prediction"? Even Co-President Fauci said it's 2 million if zero intervention.
BTW, you're getting paid full salary throughout the situation and you're going to still have a job when it's over, right?
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Lots of dumb here. Can't have autos without auto deaths. We've got vaccines and treatments for the flu, can't do much more than that. People drown in bodies of water, have since the beginning of time. If this Coronavirus is left alone it WILL kill millions (2% of the US population is 6 million dead) and overwhelm our health system. 20% severe cases (A number I've seen multiple times) means 60 million. No vaccine and no treatment to speak of.
All you conservatives care about is what's good for business. You don't seem to give a shit that massive numbers of people are going to die.
That’s not fair or true. Speaking for myself, who am not a conservative but Rush Limbaugh who is, and pretty much agrees with me:
We know that massive numbers of people are going to die from an economic depression. Turning the economy off will kill people, probably already has. What a rational person would do is find the point where the rising deaths from shut down intersects the falling or rising deaths from the virus and when more death is caused by the economy being shut down than by the virus, then we know we are doing more harm than good.
What is bothering me is that nobody seems to be addressing that, no one is researching and compiling numbers except for individuals such as the nurse who reported the jump in child abuse cases since the lockdown. Someone should be gathering data on this. Addicts can’t go to their 12 step meetings. Are they relapsing? Overdosing?
On the other hand are there fewer auto accident deaths because everyone is staying home? Or are there more, because people are using the empty highways to race at high speed?
I know you are capable of this kind of thought - objective critical thinking and surely even you will admit that there is some point the lives lost to economic damage will exceed the lives lost to covid19. How long a shut down before the lines intersect? 2 months? 4 months? 6 months? I don’t know. I want to know that the powers that be are thinking about this.
I see no evidence of it in the briefings. Trump and Fauci and the rest only talk about the one side of the equation, there are no charts and graphs for the other and goddammit Michael, I give you credit for far more intelligence than the average person, plus the ability to think like a scientist. So can you not agree with my point?
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You're some kind of professor? Where did you come up with that "prediction"? Even Co-President Fauci said it's 2 million if zero intervention.
BTW, you're getting paid full salary throughout the situation and you're going to still have a job when it's over, right?
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But academics are part of the elite crowd, right?
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Lots of dumb here. Can't have autos without auto deaths. We've got vaccines and treatments for the flu, can't do much more than that. People drown in bodies of water, have since the beginning of time. If this Coronavirus is left alone it WILL kill millions (2% of the US population is 6 million dead) and overwhelm our health system. 20% severe cases (A number I've seen multiple times) means 60 million. No vaccine and no treatment to speak of.
All you conservatives care about is what's good for business. You don't seem to give a shit that massive numbers of people are going to die.
You complain about "dumb" but you completely missed the question and go off on a rant about conservatives.
But let's look at your pearls of wisdom... ::)
"Can't have autos without auto deaths. " - well, duh, Sherlock. Have you considered cars enable things and aren't just a source of death? What would be the impact (no pun) of eliminating all cars?
"We've got vaccines and treatments for the flu" - correct me I'm wrong, but your can't treat a virus, you treat the symptoms, but not the virus, yes?
Drowning... so, you don't care about the drowing deaths?
Your claim that COVID-19 will kill millions if "left alone" assumes (note the word "assume") 100% infection rate, as well as the 2% mortality rate. Well, genius, questions for you: Why does the flu infect some 10% of the population but you think COVID-19 will be infect 100%? Where do you get a 20% serious illness rate for COVID-19? I've seen plenty of places where it is more like 5%. Also, without knowing who is infected with COVID-19 (and not showing symptoms), we can't correctly calculate a mortality rate or a severity rate. Or do you have some special knowledge of who is infected but haven't been tested?
"No vaccine and no treatment to speak of." - um, well, duh there isn't a vaccine... yet or maybe ever. But if there is no treatment, then why worry about overwhelming our medical system? The symptoms of a COVID-19 infection are what's treated.
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Some medications for viruses do more than just treat symptoms but they don’t kill in the sense antibiotics kill bacteria. They prevent the virus from being able to replicate is my limited understanding.
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I guess his meds are wearing off. Typical drive by with no substance.
BTW, isn't it amazing how the progressives are embracing China now?
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Real simple math numbnuts. The numbers I'm quoting I've seen since this thing started. 1-2% lethality, 20% of the cases severe enough for a hospital. Anyone old, infirm, with a cardiac or pulmonary condition is going to get hit hard. That's a lot of people.
Now we do the smart thing, huddle a bit, get the spike down. Yeah, economy suffers, boo hoo. No one dies for lack of a bad or ventilator because we've kept the spread of the virus low. Says me live safe more important than dollars. Obviously you guys feel otherwise.
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Real simple math numbnuts. The numbers I'm quoting I've seen since this thing started. 1-2% lethality, 20% of the cases severe enough for a hospital. Anyone old, infirm, with a cardiac or pulmonary condition is going to get hit hard. That's a lot of people.
Now we do the smart thing, huddle a bit, get the spike down. Yeah, economy suffers, boo hoo. No one dies for lack of a bad or ventilator because we've kept the spread of the virus low. Says me live safe more important than dollars. Obviously you guys feel otherwise.
You are missing the point. Dollars means lives when you are talking about lower income working class. Are you going to totally ignore the postulate that economic depression kills people?
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Real simple math numbnuts. The numbers I'm quoting I've seen since this thing started. 1-2% lethality, 20% of the cases severe enough for a hospital. Anyone old, infirm, with a cardiac or pulmonary condition is going to get hit hard. That's a lot of people.
Now we do the smart thing, huddle a bit, get the spike down. Yeah, economy suffers, boo hoo. No one dies for lack of a bad or ventilator because we've kept the spread of the virus low. Says me live safe more important than dollars. Obviously you guys feel otherwise.
I see your reading skills are still below the level of a gerbil
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You are missing the point. Dollars means lives when you are talking about lower income working class. Are you going to totally ignore the postulate that economic depression kills people?
Of course he will ignore that. In the liberal mindset the peasants are just collateral damage for the betterment of the state.
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Says me live safe more important than dollars. Obviously you guys feel otherwise.
Tell that to the business owner as he watches his life's work be destroyed because some person on the government payroll deemed his industry "non-essential".
Life's great in the Ivory Tower where the money never stops flowing in.
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Remember how gliby Bill Maher said he wanted a recession in order to bring down President Trump?
Bill Maher has more than enough money to survive a recession, even a severe recession. I doubt Bill Maher gives a rat's pitoot about the people who would be hurt by a recession.
Oh wait, now I'll be accused of caring only about money.
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https://patriotnewsfeed.com/remember-when-the-media-downplayed-the-coronavirus-we-do-take-a-look-for-yourself/
The media is trying to have their cake and eat it too but, that’s not going to fly.
While the Demcorats and the media were focused on the Senate impeachment trial the President was focused on China.
What was the liberal media doing? Downplaying the virus.
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And here's the Wicked Witch of the West downplaying the virus
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/pelosi-encouraged-public-gatherings-in-late-february-weeks-after-trumps-china-travel-ban
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Gee, the MSM forgot this one.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/25/cuomo-coronavirus-china-new-york/
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Wife and I went on a tour of three State Parks today. Two are by lakes the third is at 3400' MSL. Put roughly 200 miles on the car and included stops at QT, Racetrak, a little country store, a Home Depot, Cracker Barrel and Captain Ds before heading home. We arrived back home after 6:00pm, which means we violated the Governors new stay at home order. We feel good ;D
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Lots of dumb here. Can't have autos without auto deaths. We've got vaccines and treatments for the flu, can't do much more than that. People drown in bodies of water, have since the beginning of time. If this Coronavirus is left alone it WILL kill millions (2% of the US population is 6 million dead) and overwhelm our health system. 20% severe cases (A number I've seen multiple times) means 60 million. No vaccine and no treatment to speak of.
All you conservatives care about is what's good for business. You don't seem to give a shit that massive numbers of people are going to die.
ESPECIALLY true in your case, mikey.
(https://scontent.ftpf1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/91789843_2887887677964449_2901824005625348096_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=TkVkt0-LMx0AX8xdiS6&_nc_ht=scontent.ftpf1-2.fna&oh=5d77868d4a4155f721e95e467890662a&oe=5EAF1865)
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Wife and I went on a tour of three State Parks today. Two are by lakes the third is at 3400' MSL. Put roughly 200 miles on the car and included stops at QT, Racetrak, a little country store, a Home Depot, Cracker Barrel and Captain Ds before heading home. We arrived back home after 6:00pm, which means we violated the Governors new stay at home order. We feel good ;D
I've been doing a decent amount if hiking just because I've had cabin fever as our Governor has ordered no non essential travel. Basically taking my guns for a walk. Pretty much like I do when hunting, ::)
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... Says me live safe more important than dollars. Obviously you guys feel otherwise.
Apparently you've had a change of heart wrt to care for the elderly
http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=187.msg8041#msg8041
Problem is a boatload of that is paid for by the folks getting the cash. A bit disingenuous. I suspect most of the "free stuff" is medical care for the elderly, which nobody wants to pay for. Thats a really sticky subject, since we spend more on most people in the last year of their life than we do for the rest of their life combined. Then again, no one seems to want to just let old people die, except of course yours truly, though that was a truly different situation.
http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=187.msg8068#msg8068
Its all pretty expensive. Problem is most folks will combat said life threatening illness until either it wins or is cured until the next life threatening illness. Can't say I blame them, not everyone is in a big hurry to die.
However it works, we spend a buttload of money on this. Medicare expenditures are a huge part of the Federal budget.
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Apparently people have misunderstood the question I intended to raise (or at least one person has grossly misunderstood).
Maybe it'll help if I simplify the question (but I'm still curious in the larger context)
The flu kills a certain number of people every year.... and not an insignificant number
Various pandemics have occurred over the years.
When do we reach the point where society moves Heaven and Earth to respond to the "emergency" and when does society just yawn and proceed with normal ops (e.g., caring more about some Reality TV show than people dying)?
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Apparently people have misunderstood the question I intended to raise (or at least one person has grossly misunderstood).
Maybe it'll help if I simplify the question (but I'm still curious in the larger context)
The flu kills a certain number of people every year.... and not an insignificant number
Various pandemics have occurred over the years.
When do we reach the point where society moves Heaven and Earth to respond to the "emergency" and when does society just yawn and proceed with normal ops (e.g., caring more about some Reality TV show than people dying)?
I suspect when we know more about COVID. How easily is it transmitted? How man infected actually show symptoms/die? How can we treat it? When will we have a vaccination? At some point, we will get it to the point where we just manage it the best we can and live with it. Just like we do with auto deaths (in spite of what many say, we have spend billions in the attempt to reduce auto deaths), the flu and other diseases. I started to add opioid deaths, but even though we don't have a handle on that, most people don't really care about that unless it affects a loved one as it is seen as a personal choice.
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I suspect when we know more about COVID. How easily is it transmitted? How man infected actually show symptoms/die? How can we treat it? When will we have a vaccination? At some point, we will get it to the point where we just manage it the best we can and live with it. Just like we do with auto deaths (in spite of what many say, we have spend billions in the attempt to reduce auto deaths), the flu and other diseases. I started to add opioid deaths, but even though we don't have a handle on that, most people don't really care about that unless it affects a loved one as it is seen as a personal choice.
I understand what you are saying.
My question isn't about the life-cycle of reaction to COVID-19, but when something new happens (e.g., the next virus outbreak or pandemic or something), what would be the criteria/trigger to cause another shutdown (or some other response)?
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I understand what you are saying.
My question isn't about the life-cycle of reaction to COVID-19, but when something new happens (e.g., the next virus outbreak or pandemic or something), what would be the criteria/trigger to cause another shutdown (or some other response)?
Stores running out of toilet paper again.
Other than that, another virus that is as contagious as COVID and that we don't understand how it works and don't have any medications or vaccinations to fight it.
But hopefully, we learn to set up a rotating stockpile of medical supplies on a FIFO basis so item such as masks that had an expiration date of 2010 don't get pulled and sent to hospitals and turn out to be unusable due to dry rot.
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I understand what you are saying.
My question isn't about the life-cycle of reaction to COVID-19, but when something new happens (e.g., the next virus outbreak or pandemic or something), what would be the criteria/trigger to cause another shutdown (or some other response)?
I think nobody knows. This was a perfect storm of an unknown virus plus strong motive within key parties (media, urban universities) to try to destroy Trump's roaring economy, plus a population with bubblewrap mentality, learned helplessness, and intolerance of any risk whatsoever, unrealistic expectations of perfect safety, OCD level concern about germs among the suburban soccer mom demographic, plus the internet allowing instantaneous spread of hysteria via social media, and horror show leaks from China - all this combined to create a tsunami that got us to where we are and threatens to keep us here for, God help us, maybe months. These things all stacked up to make this the monster it is.
After it's all in the past and we look at the data objectively, maybe we will learn enough to be better prepared the next time, specifically I think we will have learned that we cannot shut down 100% of the economy nationwide simultaneously, but it should have been done regionally, and timed in accordance with local spread. I predict that will be the biggest lesson learned. But who will be in charge of implementing it the next time? Will they have a political agenda?
Technology and urbanization and improved standard of living, healthcare and long lifespans have disconnected us from accepting death as a natural and normal part of life, and that may be the biggest factor leading us to commit national suicide. Ironic.
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[...]when something new happens (e.g., the next virus outbreak or pandemic or something), what would be the criteria/trigger to cause another shutdown (or some other response)?
No triggers - no line drawn. Any criteria that is selected for a shutdown would be arbitrary.
There was and is no practical, ethical, or moral reason to punish otherwise innocent people in order to maybe save some of them. If your life could be saved but the cost would be financial ruin for five or ten (or even just one) total stranger, would you find that acceptable? I’m a coward and sure as hell would never throw myself on a live grenade to save comrades (I’d be jumping away trying to save my own ass) but as of today I am willing to accept the risk of dying rather than see more people lose their jobs, stress their families, and constrain their liberties.
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No triggers - no line drawn. Any criteria that is selected for a shutdown would be arbitrary.
There was and is no practical, ethical, or moral reason to punish otherwise innocent people in order to maybe save some of them. If your life could be saved but the cost would be financial ruin for five or ten (or even just one) total stranger, would you find that acceptable? I’m a coward and sure as hell would never throw myself on a live grenade to save comrades (I’d be jumping away trying to save my own ass) but as of today I am willing to accept the risk of dying rather than see more people lose their jobs, stress their families, and constrain their liberties.
My God... you have hit on it! What we have hear is a real life playing out of the trolley dilemma only in reverse. Instead of sacrificing one man to save five, we are sacrificing five to save one! You are genius, there is NO justification for throwing FIVE people onto the track to save one! Yet that is what we are doing.
https://www.thoughtco.com/would-you-kill-one-person-to-save-five-4045377
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No triggers - no line drawn. Any criteria that is selected for a shutdown would be arbitrary.
There was and is no practical, ethical, or moral reason to punish otherwise innocent people in order to maybe save some of them. If your life could be saved but the cost would be financial ruin for five or ten (or even just one) total stranger, would you find that acceptable? I’m a coward and sure as hell would never throw myself on a live grenade to save comrades (I’d be jumping away trying to save my own ass) but as of today I am willing to accept the risk of dying rather than see more people lose their jobs, stress their families, and constrain their liberties.
When I read your comment about the live grenade I thought about the people who are willing to run into burning buildings. I mean no disrepect to others, but rather I'm thankful that we do have people that risk physical harm to help others.
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When I read your comment about the live grenade I thought about the people who are willing to run into burning buildings. I mean no disrepect to others, but rather I'm thankful that we do have people that risk physical harm to help others.
I might be willing to rush into a burning building to save someone - but mostly because I'd figure (possibly incorrectly) the odds were good of coming out alive. A grenade is a split second decision and I'm afraid my self-preservation instinct would kick in. I suspect there are people reading these posts who have been placed in situations where they have had to make similar choices.
In any case, the choice of action and its consequences is on the rescuer in the burning building and similar scenarios. He or she isn't being selected for some type of sacrifice by someone else.
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Saturday I had the pleasure of spending several hours in a local ER waiting room. My wife involved in an accident while going to pick up a prescription at a pharmacy in a nearby town. Just a few blocks from the pharmacy she had a medical event that caused her to lose control of the car, hit a parked car, angle parking along the street, and then the person behind her hit her. She was carried by ambulance to a Trauma Center and had called me to let me know.
When I arrived I saw several large tents set up, I assume for screening, but not in use. I went to the ER entrance and just inside the sliding doors was a table with a couple of ladies manning it. I was asked what I was there for and gave them my wife's name and DOB. One gal took that info and headed to the counter to check and the other asked me a few questions and gave me a sticker for my shirt. The other gal came back and said they had no one by that name, turns out I beat the ambulance to the hospital.
I sat outside until they came to tell me she had arrived and was being checked in. I went inside and took a seat in the waiting area. There were three maybe four other folks there and we were well spread out. Everyone, except me, was wearing a mask. Nurse finally came out to tell me what was happening and that I was not allowed to be with my wife. I spent approx four hours in the waiting area. Several folks came and were taken back to rooms. No one presented themselves with what they purported to be COVID-19 while I was there.
My wife and I communicated via telephone and she finally called to say they wanted to keep her overnight to monitor her heart. I drove home, got some gas ($1.429) and picked up some wings at the grocery store, went home and ate. I hadn't had anything since breakfast. After I was done eating, my wife called to tell me to come pick her up. She had convinced them to let her come home. I made the trip back to the hospital and brought her home They had x-rayed her hand, foot and done CT scans of her neck. All was negative. The back of her hand was quite swollen and we continue to discover new bruises.
When they moved her to a regular room she was told she was only one of two patients in the wing. They also told her if they get a suspected virus patient, the staff treating that person goes all hazmat so they don't have to be quarantined.
It was quite an experience, the parking lot was very empty. One guy brought in his 87 year old mother, she had fallen. He spent the entire time standing outside. I did get to see Game 7 of the 2007 NBA finals between LA and Boston, Boston blew them out. I also watched virtual Indy Car racing on my iPad while waiting.
Fun times we're living through. Why are we not hearing from the ACLU through all of this?
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Wait. I thought the Virus was going to "OVERWHELM the medical system". Now hospitals are empty? I guess that's because we shutdown the world and crashed the economy. ::)
Hope your wife is OK Eppy. :(
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Saturday I had the pleasure of spending several hours in a local ER waiting room. My wife involved in an accident while going to pick up a prescription at a pharmacy in a nearby town. Just a few blocks from the pharmacy she had a medical event that caused her to lose control of the car, hit a parked car, angle parking along the street, and then the person behind her hit her. She was carried by ambulance to a Trauma Center and had called me to let me know.
When I arrived I saw several large tents set up, I assume for screening, but not in use. I went to the ER entrance and just inside the sliding doors was a table with a couple of ladies manning it. I was asked what I was there for and gave them my wife's name and DOB. One gal took that info and headed to the counter to check and the other asked me a few questions and gave me a sticker for my shirt. The other gal came back and said they had no one by that name, turns out I beat the ambulance to the hospital.
I sat outside until they came to tell me she had arrived and was being checked in. I went inside and took a seat in the waiting area. There were three maybe four other folks there and we were well spread out. Everyone, except me, was wearing a mask. Nurse finally came out to tell me what was happening and that I was not allowed to be with my wife. I spent approx four hours in the waiting area. Several folks came and were taken back to rooms. No one presented themselves with what they purported to be COVID-19 while I was there.
My wife and I communicated via telephone and she finally called to say they wanted to keep her overnight to monitor her heart. I drove home, got some gas ($1.429) and picked up some wings at the grocery store, went home and ate. I hadn't had anything since breakfast. After I was done eating, my wife called to tell me to come pick her up. She had convinced them to let her come home. I made the trip back to the hospital and brought her home They had x-rayed her hand, foot and done CT scans of her neck. All was negative. The back of her hand was quite swollen and we continue to discover new bruises.
When they moved her to a regular room she was told she was only one of two patients in the wing. They also told her if they get a suspected virus patient, the staff treating that person goes all hazmat so they don't have to be quarantined.
It was quite an experience, the parking lot was very empty. One guy brought in his 87 year old mother, she had fallen. He spent the entire time standing outside. I did get to see Game 7 of the 2007 NBA finals between LA and Boston, Boston blew them out. I also watched virtual Indy Car racing on my iPad while waiting.
Fun times we're living through. Why are we not hearing from the ACLU through all of this?
Sorry to hear of the accident, and hope your wife doesn't have any more problems from this. Oh, and best of luck dealing with the car insurance, that's never fun.
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Wait. I thought the Virus was going to "OVERWHELM the medical system". Now hospitals are empty? I guess that's because we shutdown the world and crashed the economy. ::)
Hospitals are now laying people off. Services are going down because our government believes hospitals are only for Covid19, nothing else. They are slowly decimating our healthcare system.
We are looking at the precursor to government run healthcare. As our current system continues to fall apart there will be more cries to let the government step in.
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got some gas ($1.429)
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Wow, I hope your wife is going to be okay.
My daughter is a nurse on maternity leave and was supposed to go back to work this week but is voluntarily extending her leave two weeks. She works part time, and she says the part time hours are evaporating because all the outpatient elective surgeries have been canceled. She isn’t sure she will get any hours after she makes herself available. Her husband has a high paying job so they will be okay (well, unless he loses it) but what about the couples where the nurses’ income really matters?
Her surgery center is completely shut down the building is empty, and the few hours available to nurses are for other local hospitals. They say if the virus hits hard there then they can open up the elective center to house covid19 patients but in the meantime, it has lost almost a month of revenue for no reason, as they still have few cases in her county.
It’s hard to believe this is really happening, the level of stupidity. Trump mentioned the cure being worse than the disease but he needs to start talking about details now in those briefings. He has been staying optimistic and I understand why, but except for the psychopathic haters that actually want the country destroyed (I’m looking at you Bill Maher) most people, unless they’ve already lost their job or business, are just too blind to see what’s coming. Trump needs to start spelling it out!
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https://granitegrok.com/blog/2020/04/maines-franklin-county-sheriff-scott-nichols-we-will-not-be-setting-up-a-police-state
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The republicans in the house are starting to come up with a task group to reopen the country and get moving. The leftist are throwing themselves on the floor and screaming.
The dims are facing yet another defeat as Trump's poll numbers went up, and it looks like there is now light at the end of the tunnel, hence the media backlash at everything positive.
Cracks are showing now with the public's patience with this whole mess, and the various little dictators around the country trying to strip away more rights.
This week the administration along with the republicans had better start showing progress to get this moving again, or it's about to get real ugly.
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Erick Erickson gave a good explanation using real numbers this morning on how the social distancing thing will keep the numbers low enough not to over whelm the hospital system. I think this is all more area specific then anything.