Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 03, 2020, 04:49:32 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 03, 2020, 04:51:40 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 03, 2020, 05:05:27 PM
So, has anyone identified the necessary criteria for resuming normal operations?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 03, 2020, 06:37:22 PM
My DIL's company is wanting to get back going. She works for Dassault Systemes from France.
Post by: Rush on April 03, 2020, 06:55:44 PM
With the anti-body test we can begin to identify those that have had and perhaps start sending them back to work.
My DIL's company is wanting to get back going. She works for Dassault Systemes from France.
This. Plus get hydroxychloroquine out to certain people prophylactically, like health care workers and nursing home orderlies. And for the love of god let doctors prescribe it to people early in the disease course like they are doing in Europe. Unbelievable the U.S. is so behind on this.
Then, once the case rate tips the peak, start opening most stuff, keeping the old and sick isolated longer, and do it regionally. Not every place peaks at the same time.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 03, 2020, 06:56:05 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 03, 2020, 06:57:24 PM
With the anti-body test we can begin to identify those that have had and perhaps start sending them back to work.
Back to work at a bankrupted business?
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2020, 02:15:47 AM
Back to work at a bankrupted business?
But the stimulus package is supposed to save them.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 04, 2020, 05:04:14 AM
With the anti-body test we can begin to identify those that have had and perhaps start sending them back to work.
My DIL's company is wanting to get back going. She works for Dassault Systemes from France.
and this anti-body test is available when? how much?
And, what evidence is there that shows someone (1) can't get sick with COVID-19 again and (2) can't spread the virus?
Post by: Anthony on April 04, 2020, 05:23:41 AM
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Post by: Rush on April 04, 2020, 06:02:24 AM
and this anti-body test is available when? how much?
And, what evidence is there that shows someone (1) can't get sick with COVID-19 again and (2) can't spread the virus?
From what I’m hearing, you do get immunity just like to most viruses. Immunity isn’t perfect but it is very good, especially early on. It’s extremely unlikely people will get the virus again and be contagious after they have recovered.
What you have to be careful about is people appearing to recover when they haven’t in fact, and are still sick from the first bout. But once true recovery happens, they are safe to move about the “herd”.
Early on there were rumors that we wouldn’t become immune to this virus. Beck was one of the people broadcasting this falsehood. He was misinterpreting the fact that as a virus mutates, we are no longer immune to the new version. This is sort of true, we often have partial immunity to it, because it still contains some identifiable components the immune system recognizes. But this is true for all viruses of this type, including the regular “flu” and is one reason why flu shots are so notoriously useless more than half the time.
There is no evidence that covid19 will not behave like typical viruses of this type and growing evidence that it does, with the decline in cases in China and other areas.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 04, 2020, 08:27:19 AM
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There is no evidence that covid19 will not behave like typical viruses of this type and growing evidence that it does, with the decline in cases in China and other areas.
I was with ya until then... I'm skeptical (at best) of reports from the Chinese government.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 04, 2020, 08:37:41 AM
and this anti-body test is available when? how much?
And, what evidence is there that shows someone (1) can't get sick with COVID-19 again and (2) can't spread the virus?
First antibody test with an FDA EUA for coronavirus is made by a place called Cellex. News item:
https://www.newsmax.com/us/antibody-blood-test-fda/2020/04/02/id/961152/ (https://www.newsmax.com/us/antibody-blood-test-fda/2020/04/02/id/961152/)
Not to be confused by the premature (or bogus?) announcement made by a firm called Bodysphere. They claimed they misunderstood paperwork they received from the FDA.
The acquired/adaptive immune system builds up an ID of the virus based on the shape and charge distribution of the proteins embedded in the virus shell (among other possible aspects.) The RNA of the virus would have to mutate so that those proteins changed shape while still somehow managing to bind to the ACE2 protein of our cells (whence they make their entrance to the cell).
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2020, 12:10:37 PM
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/04/tucker-hits-faulty-fauci-for-suggesting-national-suicide-while-enjoying-bulletproof-job-security-904754
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2020, 12:17:03 PM
The leftist just took them down.
https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Hobby-Lobby-closes-all-store-locations-569362651.html
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“As the country continues efforts to manage and mitigate the devastating health and economic impacts of the COVID-19 virus, Hobby Lobby will, after careful consideration, close the remainder of its stores, and furlough nearly all store employees and a large portion of corporate and distribution employees, effective Friday, April 3rd, at 8:00 p.m.,” the company said in a statement.
“The stores will remain closed until further notice.”
Employees are being encouraged to file unemployment claims with their state unemployment commissions.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2020, 01:01:16 PM
BTW, this hospital has 325 inpatient beds and 100 ventilators........unused. In a state that's under lock down orders.
Post by: Anthony on April 04, 2020, 01:33:14 PM
Just to remind people, the progressives hate Hobby Lobby for their Christian values.
The leftist just took them down.
https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Hobby-Lobby-closes-all-store-locations-569362651.html
That sucks. Maybe they can come back somehow.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2020, 01:43:38 PM
That sucks. Maybe they can come back somehow.
Hopefully. But at a cost.
We are starting to boil the frog.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2020, 07:41:30 PM
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Just a few weeks ago, the threat of COVID-19 was considered by nearly everyone to be potentially far deadlier than it has yet proven to be. The fatality rates, hospitalization rates, and the predictions of American death tolls (once routinely touted as “over 2 million”) associated with infection were all much higher three weeks ago than they are today. And yet, as the dire projections about the impact of infection has become considerably smaller with new data and improved medical readiness, the social restrictions placed upon the populace have become progressively more obstructive and draconian.
Got that? The better the health outlook has become, the harsher the government’s restrictions on you have also become.
If that isn’t bothersome to you, maybe you should think about the fact that these social restrictions seem to have only become harsher on you. Some Americans are enduring no government obstruction in their lives, and others still are actually enjoying more freedom than they would have before these social obstructions in your lives were introduced.
Consider this. A junkie can wake up on a brisk morning in the streets of San Francisco, defecate on the sidewalk in plain view of onlookers, and insert a used needle into his arm to inject illegal narcotics into his veins. The cops will make no effort to stop him, for, you see, that might be a violation of his supposed “rights.” That’s much the same as it was before the coronavirus pandemic, so I should probably add that this junkie’s sleeping and social arrangements may very well be in violation of “social distancing” guidelines, also.
Now, consider that he is far less likely to incur the attention of law enforcement, or even the news media, than you might incur for the crime of choosing to attend your local church, should it have the audacity to be open. It is you, don’t you understand, who is the public health menace.
Examples abound of pastors of churches being threatened, fined, even jailed, for refusing to suspend religious worship during this period where “social distancing” is a matter of life and death.
Post by: bflynn on April 04, 2020, 10:54:05 PM
Our flight club suspended operations. That exact question was asked and nobody knew, they said they would just figure it out later.
Post by: Mase on April 04, 2020, 11:02:59 PM
Remember when the LSM criticized Trump for calling it the Huann Virus or China virus ?
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2020, 02:31:31 AM
Good video on here.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/04/04/tucker-hits-faulty-fauci-for-suggesting-national-suicide-while-enjoying-bulletproof-job-security-904754
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“More than 10 million Americans have already lost their jobs. Imagine another year of this,” said Carlson. “That would be national suicide, and yet, that is what Anthony Fauci is suggesting, at least. Now, we’re not suggesting Fauci wants to hurt America. We don’t think he does. He seems like a very decent man. But Fauci is not an economist or for that matter someone who fears being unemployed himself. … Fauci has bulletproof job security. He’s not thinking that way. He has the luxury of looking at the world through the narrow lens of his profession. He doesn’t seem to think much outside that lens.
I am losing patience with people secure in their income stream moralizing about saving lives.
Post by: Anthony on April 05, 2020, 02:43:20 AM
I am losing patience with people secure in their income stream moralizing about saving lives.
That's a problem. Academicians and government workers, secure in their income only see through their false rose colored glasses. We've fought wars, and risked death for economic prosperity and SURVIVAL. We are now at the point where we've got to take risks to survive.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2020, 03:53:19 AM
That's a problem. Academicians and government workers, secure in their income only see through their false rose colored glasses. We've fought wars, and risked death for economic prosperity and SURVIVAL. We are now at the point where we've got to take risks to survive.
I just thought more of them would have empathy for others. Or maybe they can’t connect the dots between job=money=food. If you have a guaranteed income then you take that for granted - you are blind to this relationship. Like a fish is unaware of water. If you went straight from college to a job and never were fired or laid off, you don’t really FEEL the connection between job=money=food and so you say stupid shit like conservatives don’t care about people dying only about businesses. For so many people, their small business is their job which, =money=food. And the evil big businesses employ people and their employment provides the... Job, which... =money=food.
And of course “food” is a euphemism for survival: Shelter, clothing and everything else humans need, If you have never been in a place without that guaranteed income stream, you don’t really grasp how fast things fall apart when your income is cut off. You would think leftists would be the first to acknowledge this, their whole philosophy is based on pity for the disadvantaged. Maybe the part about how capitalism is evil trumps that pity. Job=money=food is after all, capitalism reduced to three simple words.
I guess they enjoy seeing capitalism destroyed, and are anticipating swooping in and “saving” everyone with economic collectivism, which goes like this: money—>food
And that’s basically progressivism in a nutshell. You see what’s missing: Jobs. Jobs is a word representing production. For the left, they imagine money exists in reality (not a symbol) and can spontaneously generate “food”. It doesn’t. Money symbolizes the productive value of work. If you don’t allow jobs, then the value of money will evaporate and people will starve and die. It’s what has happened everywhere economic collectivism has been tried. Only under-the-radar capitalism keeps so-called socialist or communist states afloat.
The micro-economic formula for one man, job=money=food, is directly connected to the macro-economy. You cannot funnel “stimulus money” down to the people very long; the state will go broke. The health of the nation rests on billions of transactions of individuals, woven into a tight interdependency. Those connections are being severed by the lockdown. It’s as if the cells in a human body were suddenly told they could no longer transmit chemical and electrical signals. There are many diseases and poisons that interfere with cell communication and this is fatal to the body. That is exactly what’s happening to our nation and much of the global economy.
If this lockdown continues much longer we will soon be on life support as a nation and we may well not survive. Deaths from covid19 will look like a day in the park compared to what we face. If you want a preview, do a little research on the U.S. defaulting on its debt.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 05, 2020, 05:41:14 AM
I guess they enjoy seeing capitalism destroyed, and are anticipating swooping in and “saving” everyone with economic collectivism, which goes like this: money—>food
OPM -> food
That's the key part, it's always OPM.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2020, 06:25:21 AM
OPM -> food
That's the key part, it's always OPM.
Key point. How long did I want to make that rant? So I didn’t get into how the authoritarian managers of this utopian economic collectivism never themselves suffer the poverty and starvation they cause. Somehow their jobs and wealth stay secure.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2020, 08:46:05 AM
https://apnews.com/d6beb99e3c340629cbcce36ddb5a75dc
Bottineau County ND still at zero:
https://data.lansingstatejournal.com/coronavirus/
Post by: Steingar on April 05, 2020, 09:01:57 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2020, 09:05:28 AM
Post by: Number7 on April 05, 2020, 09:12:13 AM
Hopefully someone can get some serology going. That’ll allow rapid diagnosis and to verify immunity. That it’s taken this long is yet another in a series of failures of the Trump administration. Isn’t what I’d call rocket science. And viral carriers are prodromal patients who haven’t yet got sick. Once you get over it you’re immune, unless the virus can mutate to unrecognizability by your immune system. I doubt a Corona virus can do that.
Sorry... little fellow. Your bullshit won’t fly.
Post by: Little Joe on April 05, 2020, 09:57:02 AM
Hopefully someone can get some serology going. That’ll allow rapid diagnosis and to verify immunity. That it’s taken this long is yet another in a series of failures of the Trump administration. Isn’t what I’d call rocket science. And viral carriers are prodromal patients who haven’t yet got sick. Once you get over it you’re immune, unless the virus can mutate to unrecognizability by your immune system. I doubt a Corona virus can do that.HaHaHa!
You were joking right? I would say it is more of a failure of the scientists. But of course though, you think scientists are infailable.
Post by: Anthony on April 05, 2020, 09:59:33 AM
Hopefully someone can get some serology going. That’ll allow rapid diagnosis and to verify immunity. That it’s taken this long is yet another in a series of failures of the Trump administration.
So what other failures has their been in the Trump Administration???
Or just more propaganda and grabbing at nonsensical, false straws? ::)
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2020, 10:04:50 AM
Hopefully someone can get some serology going. That’ll allow rapid diagnosis and to verify immunity.That it’s taken this long is yet another in a series of failures of the Trump administration.Isn’t what I’d call rocket science. And viral carriers are prodromal patients who haven’t yet got sick. Once you get over it you’re immune, unless the virus can mutate to unrecognizability by your immune system. I doubt a Corona virus can do that.
^^^^^YES!!!!!!! We desperately need that.
But why do you always drop a ludicrous partisan bomb into your actual factual discussions which I love (the factual discussion not the partisan bomb). What the hell does Trump have to do with taking a long time to develop a serology antibody test? If anything Trump is following the lead of Fauci and the CDC, not the other way around. We are only 3 months into this and they’re on the verge of producing this test; it took four years to develop the first HIV test.
Where do you get this stuff?
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2020, 10:18:39 AM
https://vimeo.com/403947972
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 05, 2020, 12:52:25 PM
I’m not a medical type, but I find this interesting.
https://vimeo.com/403947972
Someone on another aviation site posted a memo from a Dr in NOLA that claimed 80% of patients put on a vent died anyway.
Would seem to support what that guy said.
Wonder if there's a way to oxygenate blood directly (not via respiration).
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 05, 2020, 01:51:05 PM
Someone on another aviation site posted a memo from a Dr in NOLA that claimed 80% of patients put on a vent died anyway.
Would seem to support what that guy said.
Wonder if there's a way to oxygenate blood directly (not via respiration).
There are such machines: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extracorporeal_membrane_oxygenation (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extracorporeal_membrane_oxygenation)
According to the article there are less than 300 in the U.S. They aren’t easy to use and I read somewhere that the Chinese were using many of theirs in an attempt to reduce the fatality rate.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 05, 2020, 02:19:21 PM
Hopefully someone can get some serology going. That’ll allow rapid diagnosis and to verify immunity. ...
in the meantime, let's ignore the variety of tests that are available (which were approved via an emergency action)
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2020, 03:04:06 PM
in the meantime, let's ignore the variety of tests that are available (which were approved via an emergency action)
He’s talking about a test that will show you have had it (past tense) and recovered and hence are immune and can go out in public safely and neither infect anyone nor catch it again. To my knowledge we don’t have that yet.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 05, 2020, 03:34:52 PM
He’s talking about a test that will show you have had it (past tense) and recovered and hence are immune and can go out in public safely and neither infect anyone nor catch it again. To my knowledge we don’t have that yet.
An antibody test now exists and was given an EUA by the FDA - see my post: http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=4431.msg75955#msg75955 (http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=4431.msg75955#msg75955)
Edit to add a link to the patient fact sheet: https://www.fda.gov/media/136624/download (https://www.fda.gov/media/136624/download)
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2020, 03:39:42 PM
An antibody test now exists and was given an EUA by the FDA - see my post: http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=4431.msg75955#msg75955 (http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=4431.msg75955#msg75955)
Crap I totally forgot about that. I did see that post. It’s just that I’m going demented.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 05, 2020, 03:44:18 PM
Crap I totally forgot about that. I did see that post. It’s just that I’m going demented.
You have Acquired Dementia Disease Lasting Endless Days (ADDLED) too!?
(Sorry, best goofy acronym I could come up with on short notice.)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 05, 2020, 03:46:03 PM
Crap I totally forgot about that. I did see that post. It’s just that I’m going demented.
Almost no one has a perfect memory.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 10, 2020, 01:21:49 PM
somewhat old thread, but since we are still "reopening", does any State have criteria identified for us to resume normal ops?
Any State at all?
Anyone?
The cowards in Maskachusetts are cowering in fear of the positive test rate bumping up over 2% for a few days (originally, the governor was hoping to get the positive test rate under 5%) and the governor has reduce the max gathering size from 50 to 25.
Post by: Anthony on August 10, 2020, 01:27:33 PM
All the talk is about infection rates and numbers now, not deaths.
Post by: Lucifer on August 10, 2020, 01:34:05 PM
somewhat old thread, but since we are still "reopening", does any State have criteria identified for us to resume normal ops?
Any State at all?
Anyone?
The cowards in Maskachusetts are cowering in fear of the positive test rate bumping up over 2% for a few days (originally, the governor was hoping to get the positive test rate under 5%) and the governor has reduce the max gathering size from 50 to 25.
Too many covidiots in government. Let's face it, there is no science being used here. These draconian, and often illegal orders are all about control. Mana from heaven for the progressives.
Covid has turned into the shit show of the 21st century, and we have 80 more years to go. Had it been left to it's own, and we didn't have government interference (and political use), this scamdemic would have hardly been a blip on the radar, just a "seasonal flu".
Covid fatigue has set in, and people are pushing back. Even the dims have started to realize maybe this isn't such a great thing to take into October, or even September. But the faction of the covidiots are still out there screaming doom and gloom.
There are no plans to return to normal as the goal post keeps moving around. I'm old enough to remember when we were told "just two weeks to flatten the curve".
Post by: Little Joe on August 10, 2020, 02:12:09 PM
There are no standards and they keep moving the goal posts. We're going backwards in many states including mine. More restrictions, more hype, more panic by the Media and Democrats.You are right that they don't talk about deaths as much. But they do talk about hospitalization rates, which are important and climbing*. But at least the length of hospitalization has been halved and more people survive. But I still don't want to catch something that will put me in the hospital, and at my age, will probably kill me.
All the talk is about infection rates and numbers now, not deaths.
I agree that the media and the Democrats are hyping this preferring to trash the economy rather than allowing Trump to get reelected. But I still think this virus is serious and is worth taking precautions.
*Hospitalization rates for COVID are climbing even as many hospitals are under capacity because so many people are afraid to go to the hospital, which is partly a result of the hype from the media and the Democrats. They are happy to let people die of other diseases as long as it makes Trump look bad.
Post by: Lucifer on August 10, 2020, 02:17:22 PM
Here's why. If someone falls off a ladder and goes to the hospital, they are tested for Covid. If they test positive and are asymptomatic, they are still classified as a "covid hospitalization", even though that's not what they are there for.
And of the actual covid hospitalizations, they are there for a shorter duration typically with weaker symptoms.
But the MSM doesn't want anyone to know that. Just focus on "covid hospitalizations" and make it appear they are all on ventilators.
Post by: Lucifer on August 10, 2020, 02:26:22 PM
https://jordanschachtel.substack.com/p/new-zealands-ongoing-self-siege-is
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New Zealand’s self-siege-until-vaccine strategy has already produced devastating societal and economic consequences, and there is no end of the road in sight. The vaccine, if it ever appears, will not be effective enough to protect the population from the coronavirus. When New Zealand opens back up, the virus will still be circulating around the globe, and much of the population will inevitably face risk of infection. New Zealand has temporarily shielded its 4.8 million citizens from the virus, but at a tremendous cost that is going to set back Kiwis for years, in addition to making them significantly poorer, and granting New Zealand’s citizens fewer opportunities to prosper. In the end, infections will incur despite New Zealand’s best efforts, but the damaging policies undertaken to delay infection will harm the country’s far more significantly than the novel coronavirus.
Post by: nddons on August 10, 2020, 02:30:40 PM
Hahahaha. Good times. Good times.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 10, 2020, 04:28:17 PM
Post by: jb1842 on August 10, 2020, 04:42:30 PM
While we are probably one of the closest here in Georgia. Most stores are requiring masks at this point. I shop at Publix and Aldi, both asking for masks, yet I've been in both without a mask and never been asked to leave. I know Costco will hand you a mask if you do not have one. Made two stops one day and wore my mask on the first stop but forgot it the second time and they gave us one as we entered. Still no movie theaters open here, hoping soon. One Chinese restaurant that we like still has not opened their dining room. We eat out at least once a week. Traffic locally is near normal at this point. Next big thing will be college football. Some NASCAR races have allowed a few spectators.
No Big 10 football this year.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 10, 2020, 05:36:14 PM
Weather has been great so far for the rally.
Post by: Lucifer on August 11, 2020, 05:55:34 AM
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But those who were discouraged can take heart. At his press conference yesterday the President announced that Dr. Scott Atlas is joining his team of COVID-19 advisors.
Better news would scarcely be possible.
If you haven’t heard of Dr. Atlas… well, that’s part of the problem. He’s the former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center and now a senior fellow at Stanford’s ultra-prestigious Hoover Institution (where Thomas Sowell and Victor Davis Hanson also reside).
But apart from his impeccable credentials, Dr. Atlas is one of the thousands of medical experts the Democrats and their media enablers don’t want you to know about who’ve been trying to put the breaks on the suicidal, anti-science response to COVID-19 they’ve conned us into following.
Way back on April 22, Dr. Atlas penned an op-ed in The Hill called:
The data is in — stop the panic and end the total isolation.
He explained five facts about COVID-19 that were already apparent from the data a month after lockdowns started. But most Americans were totally unaware and, thanks to our corrupt and incompetent national press, still are.
Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.
Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.
Fact 3: Vital herd immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.
Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.
Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.
Post by: Anthony on August 11, 2020, 06:49:18 AM
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He explained five facts about COVID-19 that were already apparent from the data a month after lockdowns started. But most Americans were totally unaware and, thanks to our corrupt and incompetent national press, still are.
Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.
Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.
Fact 3: Vital herd immunity is prevented by total isolation policies, prolonging the problem.
Fact 4: People are dying because other medical care is not getting done due to hypothetical projections.
Fact 5: We have a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected with targeted measures.
I've been saying this all along and the fear mongers I see and hear in the media each day don't get it. If you are old, sick and at risk stay the fuck home. Wear masks, and do everything you can to self isolate and protect yourself. Don't force me to do the same and kill my life.
Post by: Username on August 11, 2020, 07:16:08 AM
No Big 10 football this year.Maybe The Ohio State can avoid another suspension!
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 11, 2020, 07:25:44 AM
I've been saying this all along and the fear mongers I see and hear in the media each day don't get it. If you are old, sick and at risk stay the fuck home. Wear masks, and do everything you can to self isolate and protect yourself. Don't force me to do the same and kill my life.
but don't you realize you have to protect yourself from other people who don't even have covid-19?
Post by: Anthony on August 11, 2020, 07:37:38 AM
but don't you realize you have to protect yourself from other people who don't even have covid-19?
Me? I've had it. Dry cough, low grade fever for a day or two, and felt like I had a Cold. Three days or so total. I'm 61 years old, in pretty good shape and healthy. I am not afraid of it at all. Now, I get people that are older and sick being concerned, so they are the ones that need to protect themselves from others. Self isolate, take precautions wear masks, etc. Don't force me to do it.
Post by: jb1842 on August 11, 2020, 07:43:34 AM
Maybe The Ohio State can avoid another suspension!
Anything is possible.
Post by: nddons on August 11, 2020, 11:29:53 AM
No Big 10 football this year.Fucking pussies. Much safer for these athletes to be hanging with their homies in the hood than hanging with their teammates in their controlled college athletics dorms, facilities, etc.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 11, 2020, 11:50:54 AM
Post by: Anthony on August 11, 2020, 01:53:03 PM
Post by: Lucifer on August 12, 2020, 12:30:34 PM
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Wisconsin’s state government is forcing government employees to wear masks while at home alone during Zoom meetings.
Yes, you read that correctly … Even if you are in your own home. Even if you are in your own home alone (not that that should matter), the fascist Democrats who now run the Wisconsin state government are forcing employees to wear masks during online meetings:
In an email to employees sent out on July 31, the head of Wisconsin’s Department of Natural Resources not only reminded employees of Gov. Tony Evers’ mask order going into effect on Aug. 1, he also said that every DNR employee must wear a mask … even while on a teleconference.
“Also, wear your mask, even if you are home, to participate in a virtual meeting that involves being seen — such as on Zoom or another video-conferencing platform — by non-DNR staff,” Preston Cole said, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. “Set the safety example which shows you as a DNR public service employee care about the safety and health of others.”
Even though wearing a mask at home does absolutely nothing to protect or improve anyone’s safety, the State is still forcing people to wear them for one reason and one reason only… Because it can.
Post by: Anthony on August 12, 2020, 12:41:56 PM
Post by: nddons on August 12, 2020, 01:26:47 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/08/12/nolte-wisconsin-forces-employees-to-wear-masks-at-home-alone-during-zoom-meetings/Hopefully the lazy republicans in Wisconsin realize what complacency caused back in 2016 when this democrat governor beat Scott Walker, and will be reinvigorated to re-elect Donald Trump in November.
Post by: Lucifer on August 12, 2020, 05:26:41 PM
Hydroxychloroquine works in high-risk patients, and saying otherwise is dangerous
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As of Wednesday, some 165,000 people in the United States have died from COVID-19. I have made the case in the American Journal of Epidemiology and in Newsweek that people who have a medical need to be treated can be treated early and successfully with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and antibiotics such as azithromycin or doxycycline. I have also argued that these drugs are safe and have made that case privately to the Food and Drug Administration.
The pushback has been furious. Dr. Anthony Fauci has implied that I am incompetent, notwithstanding my hundreds of highly regarded, methodologically relevant publications in peer-reviewed scientific literature. A group of my Yale colleagues has publicly intimated that I am a zealot who is perpetrating a dangerous hoax and conspiracy theory. I have been attacked in news articles by journalists who, ignorant of the full picture, have spun hit pieces from cherry-picked sources.
These personal attacks are a dangerous distraction from the real issue of hydroxychloroquine's effectiveness, which is solidly grounded in both substantial evidence and appropriate medical decision-making logic. Much of the evidence is presented in my articles.
To date, there are no studies whatsoever, published or in pre-print, that provide scientific evidence against the treatment approach for high-risk outpatients that I have described. None. Assertions to the contrary, whether by Fauci, the FDA, or anyone else, are without foundation. They constitute misleading and toxic disinformation.
What do you need to know to evaluate these smears against hydroxychloroquine? The first thing to understand is that COVID-19 has two main stages. At the first stage, it is a flu-like illness. That illness will not kill you. If you are a high-risk patient and begin treatment immediately, you will almost certainly be done with it in a few days. When not treated, high-risk patients may progress. The virus then causes severe pneumonia and attacks many organs, including the heart. In this second stage, hydroxychloroquine is not effective.
So, if you are told that hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work, ask this question: In which patients? Does it not work in those who have just started to have symptoms, or those sick enough to require hospitalization?
The second thing to know is that most low-risk patients survive without treatment. Low risk means you are under age 60 and have no chronic conditions such as diabetes, obesity, and hypertension, have no past treatment for cancer, are not immunocompromised, etc. High risk means you are over 60 or you have one or more of those chronic conditions. High-risk patients need immediate treatment when they first show symptoms. One should not wait for the COVID-19 test result, which can take days and can be wrong. Again, when Fauci and others say that randomized controlled trials show no benefit for hydroxychloroquine, you must ask: In which group of patients?
Every randomized controlled trial to date that has looked at early outpatient treatment has involved low-risk patients, patients who are not generally treated. In these studies, so few untreated control patients have required hospitalization that significant differences were not found. There has been only one exception: In a study done in Spain with low-risk patients, a small number of high-risk nursing home patients were included. For those patients, the medications cut the risk of a bad outcome in half.
I reiterate: If doctors, including any of my Yale colleagues, tell you that scientific data show that hydroxychloroquine does not work in outpatients, they are revealing that they can’t tell the difference between low-risk patients who are not generally treated and high-risk patients who need to be treated as quickly as possible. Doctors who do not understand this difference should not be treating COVID-19 patients.
What about medication safety? On July 1, the FDA posted a “black-letter warning” cautioning against using hydroxychloroquine “outside of the hospital setting,” meaning in outpatients. But on its website just below this warning, the FDA stated that the warning was based on data from hospitalized patients. To generalize and compare severely ill patients with COVID-induced pneumonia and possibly heart problems to outpatients is entirely improper.
In fact, the FDA has no information about adverse events in early outpatient use of hydroxychloroquine. The only available systematic information about adverse events among outpatients is discussed in my article in the American Journal of Epidemiology, where I show that hydroxychloroquine has been extremely safe in more than a million users.
It is a serious and unconscionable mistake that the FDA has used inpatient data to block emergency use petitions for outpatient use. Further, already back in March, the FDA approved the emergency use of hydroxychloroquine for hospitalized patients, for whom it is demonstrably less effective than for outpatients. If hydroxychloroquine satisfied the FDA criteria for emergency inpatient use in March, it should more than satisfy those criteria now for outpatient use, where the evidence is much stronger.
I can only speculate about the cause of the FDA’s recalcitrance. Hydroxychloroquine is an inexpensive, generic medication. Unlike certain profit-generating, patented medications, which have been promiscuously touted on the slimmest of evidence, hydroxychloroquine has no natural financial constituency. No one will get rich from it.
Further, it seems quite possible that the FDA, a third of whose funding comes from drug companies, is under intense pressure from those companies to be extremely conservative in its handling of hydroxychloroquine. If hydroxychloroquine is used widely and comes to be recognized as highly effective, the markets for expensive and patented COVID-19 medications, including intravenous drugs that can only be used in the hospital, will shrink substantially.
Whatever the reason for the FDA’s stonewalling on hydroxychloroquine, this much is certain: Americans are dying unnecessarily, the economy is in disarray, and the threads that bind our society together have frayed. I am speaking out, but where is everyone else? Where are our elected officials, including those who are themselves physicians? Some, including Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona, have been discussing evidence of the drug's effectiveness, but where are the rest?
This issue should not be a partisan one. If our elected officials are not willing to pry open the FDA, we must elect new officials. Why are we silent? The time to speak is now.
Harvey Risch, M.D., Ph.D., is a professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health.
Post by: nddons on August 13, 2020, 07:12:06 AM
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Hydroxychloroquine works in high-risk patients, and saying otherwise is dangerous
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2020, 02:31:35 PM
But yet they are running around screaming. WTF? No mention of actual deaths that are attributed, only the deaths that “include” Covid. Also no mention of all of those positive, the actual number that requires hospitalization. Again, the only hospitalization numbers are those “with Covid”, not because of Covid. Again, WTF?
Finally, testing. Are there actually people just going to get tested for the hell of it? “Hey, I feel great today, maybe I’ll go get a Covid test!”
They are increasing testing centers around major cities. Is there really a demand?
Post by: texasag93 on August 15, 2020, 03:44:43 PM
So reading today that in Texas the positivity count is high, like 25%. This has been attributed to a decline in testing. Ok, makes sense.
But yet they are running around screaming. WTF? No mention of actual deaths that are attributed, only the deaths that “include” Covid. Also no mention of all of those positive, the actual number that requires hospitalization. Again, the only hospitalization numbers are those “with Covid”, not because of Covid. Again, WTF?
Finally, testing. Are there actually people just going to get tested for the hell of it? “Hey, I feel great today, maybe I’ll go get a Covid test!”
They are increasing testing centers around major cities. Is there really a demand?
Current Texas 7 day positivity rate is 14%. You have to click on the Testing Positivty Rate tab on the bottom right to get the information. https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/0d8bdf9be927459d9cb11b9eaef6101f (https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/0d8bdf9be927459d9cb11b9eaef6101f)
On this report, Texas only reports "Deaths for which COVID-19 is listed as a direct cause of death on the death certificate. A medical certifier, usually a doctor, determines the cause(s) of death. DSHS does not include deaths of people who had COVID-19 but died of an unrelated cause. Fatalities are reported by where the person lived as listed on the death certificate."
Here is the dashboard given out by the state. The tabs at the bottom can be selected to see other data. https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83 (https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83)
I do not like how the show the cumulative deaths as a chart as it will never go down, just decrease and go to a flat line as this s*** stops. Just my opinion.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2020, 04:07:17 PM
Current Texas 7 day positivity rate is 14%. https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/0d8bdf9be927459d9cb11b9eaef6101f (https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/0d8bdf9be927459d9cb11b9eaef6101f)
On this report, Texas only reports "Deaths for which COVID-19 is listed as a direct cause of death on the death certificate. A medical certifier, usually a doctor, determines the cause(s) of death. DSHS does not include deaths of people who had COVID-19 but died of an unrelated cause. Fatalities are reported by where the person lived as listed on the death certificate."
Here is the dashboard given out by the state. The tabs at the bottom can be selected to see other data. https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83 (https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83)
I do not like how the show the cumulative deaths as a chart as it will never go down, just decrease and go to a flat line as this s*** stops. Just my opinion.
Thanks for the explanation. The “news” gives a different take.
But back to the testing. Who are all of these people being tested? The media paints the horrible picture of “cases” but then stops there. Isn’t true most of these cases are asymptomatic or very mild?
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2020, 04:49:49 PM
Post by: Anthony on August 15, 2020, 08:32:26 PM
Thanks for the explanation. The “news” gives a different take.
But back to the testing. Who are all of these people being tested? The media paints the horrible picture of “cases” but then stops there. Isn’t true most of these cases are asymptomatic or very mild?
That's part of the scam. They keep reporting case numbers and infection to insight panic and fear into the populace and it is working. I run into people all the time who are just racked with fear over this. Hey, Media Propaganda enabled the rise of Hitler and all the destruction he caused for Germany and people still backed him when their cities were being carpet bombed day and night.
Post by: Lucifer on August 16, 2020, 05:57:48 AM
Post by: Number7 on August 16, 2020, 06:14:48 AM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/hydroxychloroquine-works-in-high-risk-patients-and-saying-otherwise-is-dangerous
Hydroxychloroquine works in high-risk patients, and saying otherwise is dangerous
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Post by: nddons on August 17, 2020, 10:13:25 AM
That's part of the scam. They keep reporting case numbers and infection to insight panic and fear into the populace and it is working. I run into people all the time who are just racked with fear over this. Hey, Media Propaganda enabled the rise of Hitler and all the destruction he caused for Germany and people still backed him when their cities were being carpet bombed day and night.A few weeks ago Wisconsin went from testing only people who had symptoms to testing anyone who wanted to get tested. So of course all the scared consumers of the MSM rushed to get tested.
At one location next to my airport they had a double row of traffic lined up at the fair grounds for a quarter mile waiting to drive under a tent to get tested by National Guardsmen. This in a county with only 60 deaths.
So tests have gone up, and so Shazaam! So have the cases. But the hospitalizations and deaths have been falling like a rock.
It’s sickening how we are being manipulated.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 17, 2020, 10:15:18 AM
So tests have gone up, and so Shazaam! So have the cases. But the hospitalizations and deaths have been falling like a rock.
What happened to the positive test rate?
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2020, 10:17:00 AM
A few weeks ago Wisconsin went from testing only people who had symptoms to testing anyone who wanted to get tested. So of course all the scared consumers of the MSM rushed to get tested.
At one location next to my airport they had a double row of traffic lined up at the fair grounds for a quarter mile waiting to drive under a tent to get tested by National Guardsmen. This in a county with only 60 deaths.
So tests have gone up, and so Shazaam! So have the cases. But the hospitalizations and deaths have been falling like a rock.
It’s sickening how we are being manipulated.
OMG!!!!! Look at the rising new cases!!!! OMFG!!!!!! Second wave!!!!!! Lockdown dammit!!!!! Lock the fuckin' state down now!!!!
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 17, 2020, 10:27:20 AM
Surprise! the positive test cases went over 2%. And, yup, more lockdowns, rolling back the reopening a bit...and much ghashing of teeth.
A week later that Maskachusetts positive test rate has reached a new low (1.4%). (hmmm, and crickets about any changes...)
oh, btw, for over a month, the daily count of covid-19 related deaths has been in the single digits outside of long term care facilities.
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2020, 10:33:35 AM
Can't see what useful purpose it would serve. But with all the panic porn in the MSM, and states offering free testing, it just plays right into the narrative they want (positive cases).
I'm so sick of this scamdemic and those behind the charades. Fuck 'em all.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 17, 2020, 11:44:11 AM
Post by: nddons on August 17, 2020, 01:08:31 PM
The Minnesota Governor has now okayed the use of HCQ.It’s pathetic that a governor believes that he has the right to tell doctors what they can prescribe.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 17, 2020, 01:19:21 PM
It’s pathetic that a governor believes that he has the right to tell doctors what they can prescribe.
It is indeed appalling what authority government claims to have.
more distressing is the willingness of people to give up the rights of other people.
Post by: Lucifer on August 17, 2020, 01:35:00 PM
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Post by: jb1842 on August 17, 2020, 02:03:20 PM
A few weeks ago Wisconsin went from testing only people who had symptoms to testing anyone who wanted to get tested. So of course all the scared consumers of the MSM rushed to get tested.
At one location next to my airport they had a double row of traffic lined up at the fair grounds for a quarter mile waiting to drive under a tent to get tested by National Guardsmen. This in a county with only 60 deaths.
So tests have gone up, and so Shazaam! So have the cases. But the hospitalizations and deaths have been falling like a rock.
It’s sickening how we are being manipulated.
My wife's best friend is scared shitless of covid, gets tested weekly, and she has rarely been out of the house since March. She also is a huge Dem/liberal. Coincidence?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 17, 2020, 02:56:11 PM
My wife's best friend is scared shitless of covid, gets tested weekly, and she has rarely been out of the house since March. She also is a huge Dem/liberal. Coincidence?
No
Post by: Anthony on August 17, 2020, 05:48:58 PM
My wife's best friend is scared shitless of covid, gets tested weekly, and she has rarely been out of the house since March. She also is a huge Dem/liberal. Coincidence?
They're just borderline mentally ill or worse. Women are more likely to be lefty panickers but lots of fembot guys out there panicking too.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 19, 2020, 01:44:01 PM
Sturgis bike rally is on. Lots of bikers on the roads around these parts. Saw one estimate that they were expecting only 250,000 - down from the usual 400,000 to 500,000. (Current population of all SD is estimated at 890,000 - gives you an idea of its economic impact, even when it is just 10 days.)
Weather has been great so far for the rally.
FYI - Sturgis rally final estimate indicates rally attendance was greater than earlier estimates:
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With the 80th annual Sturgis Motorcycle Rally fully in the books, law enforcement and the Department of Transportation are releasing their final numbers.
The Department of Transportation released the 10-day total for the rally with 462,182 people entering, 7.5% down from last year’s rally.
https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/communities/sturgis/rally-report-estimates-attendance-over-460-000/article_3a37da9b-191e-58f2-9cde-52e811e94b4d.html#tracking-source=home-trending (https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/communities/sturgis/rally-report-estimates-attendance-over-460-000/article_3a37da9b-191e-58f2-9cde-52e811e94b4d.html#tracking-source=home-trending)
Post by: Lucifer on August 19, 2020, 02:10:19 PM
Post by: nddons on August 19, 2020, 02:43:35 PM
FYI - Sturgis rally final estimate indicates rally attendance was greater than earlier estimates:Way to go Gov. Noem! ‘Merica!
https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/communities/sturgis/rally-report-estimates-attendance-over-460-000/article_3a37da9b-191e-58f2-9cde-52e811e94b4d.html#tracking-source=home-trending (https://rapidcityjournal.com/news/local/communities/sturgis/rally-report-estimates-attendance-over-460-000/article_3a37da9b-191e-58f2-9cde-52e811e94b4d.html#tracking-source=home-trending)
Post by: Lucifer on August 19, 2020, 04:14:30 PM
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Newly-elected Republican Party of Texas chairman Lt. Col. Allen West gave an exclusive interview to National File on Wednesday, in which he criticized government officials pushing unconstitutional mandates and edicts on the American people under the guise of protecting public health during COVID-19.
Asked how the party should approach the issue of coronavirus, the strongly conservative West stressed the need for the party to take a balanced approach, rather than the reactive and politically motivated one pursued by Democrats.
“I think the party should take the position of realism, the party should take a position that’s based upon fact and not worry about innuendo or not worry about political posturing,” West said.
West went on not that the coronavirus has ultimately come out to be far less deadly than projected, with misplaced attempts to stop its spread causing more damage than the virus itself.
“We look at where coronavirus is today, here in the state of Texas and in other places, we’re talking about an almost 99.9% recovery rate – that’s the thing no one is talking about,” he added. “Yet we’re seeing more harm done to our businesses, we’re seeing more harm done to the mental state, we see a rise in suicides, we see a rise in domestic and child abuse and things of this nature.”
He then slammed officials around the country that have been abusing their powers in order to enact stay at home orders, mask mandates, and lists of ‘essential’ businesses.
“One of the key things I’ve always said is that no elected official has the enumerated power to say what and who is essential – not here in Texas, not anywhere across America – so I think it’s time we start to take that sort of mentality,” he continued.
“We are a constitutional republic: that means that we govern by the rule of law. It is not a constitutional monarchy where we should have individuals issuing edicts, mandates, orders or decrees.”
Post by: Lucifer on August 20, 2020, 01:59:13 PM
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The Governor of Maine has ordered restaurant staff to wear anti-COVID visors upside down so they resemble dog cones in order to direct breath upwards.
Yes, really.
Governor Janet Mills’ decree states that “front-of-house staff in restaurants who choose to wear face shields must now wear them upside down so that they are attached at the collar instead of the forehead, so that their breath is directed up, not down,” reports Maine Public Radio.
Given that air conditioning units can facilitate the spread of coronavirus, Mills’ order looks like another ridiculous and pointless measure.
“As a symbol of submission, forcing us to obliterate our individuality by wearing masks was not explicit enough,” writes Dave Blount. “So they pushed the envelope even further. No one can miss the significance of making people wear dog cones.”
Post by: nddons on August 20, 2020, 02:20:19 PM
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Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 20, 2020, 02:23:57 PM
Post by: nddons on August 20, 2020, 03:01:50 PM
You aren't being played by your pencil-necked twerp governor and his august mask mandate.Thanks Bob!
Post by: Lucifer on August 21, 2020, 10:26:18 AM