Post by: Lucifer on April 09, 2020, 04:56:10 PM
So starting now the left will do everything possible to stop this from happening. I can see the deep blue leftist utopias defy and remain in lockdown, if not increase the severity of the lockdown.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/492065-trump-officials-lay-groundwork-for-may-reopening?amp
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The Trump administration is laying the foundation to push for a reopening of parts of the U.S. economy as early as the beginning of May amid rising pressure over unemployment numbers rivaling those during the Great Depression.
President Trump and top government officials in recent days have talked about seeing "glimmers of hope" and "light at the end of the tunnel" while publicly discussing ideas for how to revive the economy.
The president has floated reopening businesses in parts of the country that do not have outbreaks. The Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Wednesday unveiled guidelines meant to encourage those in critical sectors who have been exposed to the coronavirus but aren't showing symptoms to continue working.
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin told CNBC on Thursday that he believes companies could reopen in May as long as Trump "feels comfortable with the medical issues."
But even with an aggressive approach and optimistic outlook, the decision to reopen the economy may largely be out of the federal government's hands.
Many governors have imposed strict measures to try to stamp out the virus, with some stay-at-home orders in place through the end of May or later, and public health experts warned that without significantly expanded testing and contact tracing capabilities, reopening the economy too soon could trigger a new wave of infections and death.
Officials have resisted putting a date on an economic reopening after Trump was widely criticized for floating Easter Sunday, April 12, as an initial target.
Post by: Anthony on April 09, 2020, 05:00:58 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 09, 2020, 05:06:26 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 10, 2020, 08:37:52 AM
Post by: Steingar on April 10, 2020, 12:18:43 PM
(https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/eqnoerxwoam9ae3.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=12001200w)
And now you'll bitch because I call this guy orange.
Post by: Number7 on April 10, 2020, 12:22:53 PM
Your Mango Mussilini is convinced he's a virologist and an epidemiologist and won't listen to any of them. All he really cares about are the dollars. Great idea, get everyone out in big groups while a killer virus is increasing exponentially.
(https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/eqnoerxwoam9ae3.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=12001200w)
And now you'll bitch because I call this guy orange.
Besides being a first class bigot, you are an utter ashole.
There is no excuse for your ignorance, nor your willingness to sling bullshit without the slightest bit of factual evidence.
Sound bites from your masters at msnbc do not constitute facts but your bigotry doesn’t allow you to see the hilarity of your ignorance.
PleasE find a psychiatrist willing to deal with your psychosis and go back on your psychotropic meds.
Post by: Anthony on April 10, 2020, 12:31:41 PM
Your Mango Mussilini is convinced he's a virologist and an epidemiologist and won't listen to any of them. All he really cares about are the dollars. Great idea, get everyone out in big groups while a killer virus is increasing exponentially.
And now you'll bitch because I call this guy orange.
I don't care what you call him. A leader needs to lead, and the best thing for our country and the entire world is to CEASE this shutdown, open up the economy with the necessary precautions for minimizing deaths while being a FUNCTIONING WORLD. We can not hider under a rock for every Virus that comes down the pike. THIS IS NOT ANTHRAX or the Andromeda Strain. Stop treating it as such.
Maybe government workers, teachers (also government workers) and Academicians (quasi government workers) can afford to sit back, collect paychecks and watch others get laid off, with NO INCOME, or maybe temporary unemployment and lose their homes, cars, families, and hopes a dreams. Most of us can not live like this. Get a reality check.
Post by: Steingar on April 10, 2020, 12:37:47 PM
I don't care what you call him. A leader needs to lead, and the best thing for our country and the entire world is to CEASE this shutdown, open up the economy with the necessary precautions for minimizing deaths while being a FUNCTIONING WORLD. We can not hider under a rock for every Virus that comes down the pike. THIS IS NOT ANTHRAX or the Andromeda Strain. Stop treating it as such.
Maybe government workers, teachers (also government workers) and Academicians (quasi government workers) can afford to sit back, collect paychecks and watch others get laid off, with NO INCOME, or maybe temporary unemployment and lose their homes, cars, families, and hopes a dreams. Most of us can not live like this. Get a reality check.
Yeah, more important to make money even if it kills people. Conservative mantra right there.
Post by: Lucifer on April 10, 2020, 12:41:54 PM
Yeah, more important to make money even if it kills people. Conservative mantra right there.
Actually, let's keep everything shut down. Next, let's shut down ALL universities, as they are NON ESSENTIAL. And, in addition, all staff will be laid off immediately.
Sound good perfesser?
Post by: Username on April 10, 2020, 12:42:32 PM
Yeah, more important to make money even if it kills people. Conservative mantra right there.OK, what would you do? Let's say that you're the president. Where do you go from here?
It's very easy to snipe from the sidelines and say that the president is doing things wrong. Much harder to say what you'd do that is right. Please enlighten us. Where do we go from here?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 10, 2020, 12:43:29 PM
In the county I live in, population 830,000, there have been 49 deaths "attributed" to CV19.
For people like you who are math challenged, that is round numbers, 6 THOUSANDTHS of a PERCENT.
Stated simply for you, that is 1/16000 or so.
Exponential my ass.
The vast majority of those who died are 75+. Not any less tragic, but assholes like you can't put anything into perspective.
If The Mocha Prince was in office, you'd find a way to blame the GOP. I'll bet a year's pay you said nothing over H1N1.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 10, 2020, 12:43:40 PM
Yeah, more important to make money even if it kills people. Conservative mantra right there.
You continue to show complete ignorance of conservatives.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 10, 2020, 12:45:44 PM
Yeah, more important to make money even if it kills people. Conservative mantra right there.
What pays your fucking salary, you feckless puke?
Post by: Anthony on April 10, 2020, 01:25:10 PM
Yeah, more important to make money even if it kills people. Conservative mantra right there.
Where did I say that? I said take all the necessary precautions as a FUNCTIONING society. Not a shutdown, collapsed society where we just hide and effectively cease to function. That is NO way to live and we can NOT do this again. It was WRONG, and just because it hasn't effected YOU financially, you are fine with everyone else suffering. You have NO empathy for others do you? None?
Well guess what, maybe the State and the Feds should stop subsidizing Universities so you are no longer guaranteed a job just like the rest of us.
Post by: Lucifer on April 10, 2020, 01:49:24 PM
This was suppose to be their "kill shot" and end this once and for all. Yet, once again, just like Wyle E. Coyote and the ACME box full of dynamite, it's about to blow up in their faces, again.
Post by: Rush on April 10, 2020, 02:01:54 PM
They talked about the food supply chain. Milk is in high demand in the stores but dairy farmers are going bankrupt and dumping milk into the dirt because of logistics disruptions. Schools, restaurants and hotels are not buying milk. You can’t just instantaneously repackage wholesale milk into retail cartons.
So we are seeing the paradoxical situation of too much in one place and not enough in the other. Crops are now rotting in the fields, corn, strawberries, while we still need these things in stores. This is going to translate eventually into food shortages at your local levels while small farms disappear. The government is responding by initiating financial help for farmers but the problem won’t be fixed until the economy is restarted.
Post by: nddons on April 10, 2020, 02:03:22 PM
Your Mango Mussilini is convinced he's a virologist and an epidemiologist and won't listen to any of them. All he really cares about are the dollars. Great idea, get everyone out in big groups while a killer virus is increasing exponentially.You don’t put society into the hands of an academic just like you don’t put it in the hands of an economist.
(https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/eqnoerxwoam9ae3.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=12001200w)
And now you'll bitch because I call this guy orange.
You put it into the hands of a manager, who can assimilate various and often conflicting information, analyze it, and make a decision, which is often a life or death decision.
In this case the president will have to make the decision of when, not whether, society opens up. It is a heavy decision because it will involve life and death.
If it was up to Ezekiel Emmanuel, we would stay in our homes for 12-18 months. That surely will help keep us virus free. But Zeke doesn’t address the starvation deaths that will happen because our food doesn’t get planted, our livestock dies off, and societal norms are eliminated, resulting in total anarchy.
But go ahead with your snark. Some people find it entertaining.
Post by: nddons on April 10, 2020, 02:07:53 PM
Yeah, more important to make money even if it kills people. Conservative mantra right there.10 million people filed for unemployment benefits in the last two weeks, you heartless fucking cunt. Yea, for some people, making money is more important.
Grow the fuck up.
Post by: Anthony on April 10, 2020, 02:10:25 PM
You don’t put society into the hands of an academic just like you don’t put it in the hands of an economist.
You put it into the hands of a manager, who can assimilate various and often conflicting information, analyze it, and make a decision, which is often a life or death decision.
In this case the president will have to make the decision of when, not whether, society opens up. It is a heavy decision because it will involve life and death.
If it was up to Ezekiel Emmanuel, we would stay in our homes for 12-18 months. That surely will help keep us virus free. But Zeke doesn’t address the starvation deaths that will happen because our food doesn’t get planted, our livestock dies off, and societal norms are eliminated, resulting in total anarchy.
But go ahead with your snark. Some people find it entertaining.
That about sums it up for me also. You need someone that can BALANCE all our priories and needs. There's that word again.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 10, 2020, 02:17:01 PM
It was a long briefing today, almost 2 hours. I was pleased to hear more talk of how we are being hurt economically at all levels.This is what happens when you let technocrats run things.
They talked about the food supply chain. Milk is in high demand in the stores but dairy farmers are going bankrupt and dumping milk into the dirt because of logistics disruptions. Schools, restaurants and hotels are not buying milk. You can’t just instantaneously repackage wholesale milk into retail cartons.
So we are seeing the paradoxical situation of too much in one place and not enough in the other. Crops are now rotting in the fields, corn, strawberries, while we still need these things in stores. This is going to translate eventually into food shortages at your local levels while small farms disappear. The government is responding by initiating financial help for farmers but the problem won’t be fixed until the economy is restarted.
Post by: Rush on April 10, 2020, 02:17:49 PM
Post by: Rush on April 10, 2020, 02:20:11 PM
This is what happens when you let technocrats run things.
Yep, where have we seen this before? Grain rotting in silos while villagers starve to death.
Post by: Lucifer on April 10, 2020, 02:32:33 PM
10 million people filed for unemployment benefits in the last two weeks, you heartless fucking cunt. Yea, for some people, making money is more important.
Grow the fuck up.
Sure you didn't serve with me in the Navy? ;D
Anyway, spot on. The perfesser once again shows his true colors. He looks down his nose at anyone outside of the academia bubble, and he doesn't have one concern for them. In his immature mind, they deserve what they are getting because, well, they aren't like him.
Come to think of it, I haven't seen the leftist this angry since the republicans freed their slaves.
Post by: nddons on April 10, 2020, 02:40:05 PM
Sure you didn't serve with me in the Navy? ;D
Anyway, spot on. The perfesser once again shows his true colors. He looks down his nose at anyone outside of the academia bubble, and he doesn't have one concern for them. In his immature mind, they deserve what they are getting because, well, they aren't like him.
Come to think of it, I haven't seen the leftist this angry since the republicans freed their slaves.
Post by: Lucifer on April 10, 2020, 03:46:23 PM
https://www.click2houston.com/news/texas/2020/04/10/live-gov-abbott-to-provide-coronavirus-update/
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 10, 2020, 04:01:27 PM
Doesn't he realize that the medical services will be overwhelmed?
Post by: Mase on April 10, 2020, 06:02:54 PM
Post by: Mase on April 10, 2020, 09:36:39 PM
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Post by: Little Joe on April 11, 2020, 01:10:47 PM
OK, what would you do? Let's say that you're the president. Where do you go from here?It's actually very easy to say what you would do if you were President. Especially if there is no chance you will ever BE President.
It's very easy to snipe from the sidelines and say that the president is doing things wrong. Much harder to say what you'd do that is right. Please enlighten us. Where do we go from here?
Post by: Anthony on April 11, 2020, 01:25:00 PM
Los Angeles mayor Garcetti extended the stay-home order to May 15 today.
The Democrats and Media want to extend the shutdown, lockdown, economic collapse, and suffering as long as possible. The American Citizen be DAMNED.
Post by: Lucifer on April 11, 2020, 02:59:44 PM
The Democrats and Media want to extend the shutdown, lockdown, economic collapse, and suffering as long as possible. The American Citizen be DAMNED.
Punishment. Those damn deplorables must be punished for their sins!
Post by: Anthony on April 11, 2020, 03:11:41 PM
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The New York Times
He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus
A week after the first coronavirus case had been identified in the United States, and six long weeks before President Trump finally took aggressive action to confront the danger the nation was facing — a pandemic that is now forecast to take tens of thousands of American lives — Dr. Mecher was urging the upper ranks of the nation’s public health bureaucracy to wake up and prepare for the possibility of far more drastic action.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/he-could-have-seen-what-was-coming-behind-trumps-failure-on-the-virus/ar-BB12tYrs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=LENDHP
Post by: Lucifer on April 11, 2020, 03:14:43 PM
Michael's beloved New York Times, the ENEMY of America. More absolute LIES.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/he-could-have-seen-what-was-coming-behind-trumps-failure-on-the-virus/ar-BB12tYrs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=LENDHP
Seriously, does anyone actually read that propaganda publication anymore? Last I read they (NYT) were begging for bailout money.
Post by: Lucifer on April 11, 2020, 04:53:12 PM
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Regardless, no matter what the President does here, the media and Democrats will attack him. He might as well just do what’s right.
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/04/11/nancy-pelosi-warns-trump-not-to-re-open-the-economy-and-the-reason-why-is-obvious/
Post by: Rush on April 11, 2020, 05:22:20 PM
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2020/04/11/nancy-pelosi-warns-trump-not-to-re-open-the-economy-and-the-reason-why-is-obvious/
She’s such an idiot. The stuff she says doesn’t even make sense.
“I certainly don’t think we should do it sooner than we should,” Pelosi said. “This has taken an acceleration from when we started this. Little did we know then that at this point, we’d be further confined.”
Wut?
Post by: Lucifer on April 11, 2020, 05:32:11 PM
She’s such an idiot. The stuff she says doesn’t even make sense.
“I certainly don’t think we should do it sooner than we should,” Pelosi said. “This has taken an acceleration from when we started this. Little did we know then that at this point, we’d be further confined.”
Wut?
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4458.0;attach=1423;image)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 11, 2020, 05:34:07 PM
She’s such an idiot. The stuff she says doesn’t even make sense.
“I certainly don’t think we should do it sooner than we should,” Pelosi said. “This has taken an acceleration from when we started this. Little did we know then that at this point, we’d be further confined.”
Wut?
nah, she's just doing that to make joey seem articulate.
Post by: Lucifer on April 11, 2020, 07:29:57 PM
Post by: Ron22 on April 13, 2020, 03:09:37 PM
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Post by: Rush on April 13, 2020, 05:33:32 PM
How is the President going to open the country when he is not the one that shut it down. States shut them down states need to start it back up.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
The briefing tonight was fun. Trump declared himself the final power and authority over the states. HA HA HA HA!! I LOVE how he plays the media, can't wait to see them melt down over this one.
Post by: Username on April 14, 2020, 06:10:33 AM
Post by: Anthony on April 14, 2020, 06:20:54 AM
The MSM and governors screamed at him for not taking authority to totally close down the country. Now they are screaming that he can't take authority to reopen the country. Can't have it both ways, and he is playing them perfectly. Now that they are on record for saying that THEY are in charge or reopening their states, they will take the heat for whatever happens.
Doesn't matter. The MEDIA will blame Trump and repeat it so often many will believe it. That's why I put the MEDIA at the top of the enemy's list, even over the Democrat politicians. No Democrat Propaganda (MEDIA) constantly 24/7, no swell of public opinion against Trump and American interests.
Post by: Lucifer on April 14, 2020, 09:59:28 AM
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2020/04/14/dwindling-surgeries-prompt-layoffs-mclaren-macomb-hospital/2985623001/
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/remember-when-they-said-hospitals-would-be-overloaded-choreographed-dance-routines-is-the-reason-why/
Post by: Mr Pou on April 14, 2020, 10:38:12 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 14, 2020, 12:05:35 PM
My brother is an anesthesiologist, he's not worked in a month. No cases, no work, no paycheck. Granted, he can weather the storm, but nurses and tech staff? Not so much.
Where?
Post by: Mr Pou on April 14, 2020, 01:24:15 PM
Where?
Colorado front range area
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 14, 2020, 02:09:18 PM
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/14/north-carolina-reopen-protests-coronavirus/
Post by: Rush on April 14, 2020, 02:59:45 PM
It begins:
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/14/north-carolina-reopen-protests-coronavirus/
That’s my home town! If I were there I’d have gone to that!
Post by: Anthony on April 14, 2020, 03:02:33 PM
That’s my home town! If I were there I’d have gone to that!
I didn't know you were from Raleigh. So how did you meet some guy from my neck of the woods? :)
Post by: Rush on April 14, 2020, 05:41:14 PM
I didn't know you were from Raleigh. So how did you meet some guy from my neck of the woods? :)
He moved to NC for a job. In fact we met at work and carried on in secret because of the anti-nepotism policy. Employees were not allowed to date each other. Illicit lovers we were.
Post by: Mr Pou on April 15, 2020, 05:06:23 AM
Illicit lovers we were.
Why that surprises me not!
Post by: Mr Pou on April 15, 2020, 05:09:00 AM
It begins:
https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/14/north-carolina-reopen-protests-coronavirus/
I have a vacation planned in the NC mountains for the end of the month/beginning of next month. As of now, the organizer says it's still a go, and I'm hoping so. Time to get moving again.
Post by: Lucifer on April 15, 2020, 05:32:35 AM
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/14/terms-and-conditions-california-outlines-six-requirements-before-lifting-home-detainment-and-reopening-the-economy/
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The publication of this decree is actually quite remarkable. I was floored when I read it.
Notice within the six terms and conditions there is ZERO CONSIDERATION for rights of the individual. Every condition is framed around the interests of the state. The individual is literally framed as adverse to the interests of the state.
Please pause and allow yourself appropriate time to reflect on the seismic shift in this big government state outlook. It doesn’t matter if you don’t want to be tested.
It doesn’t matter if you want to be contract-traced. It doesn’t matter if you don’t want to be monitored. It doesn’t matter if you don’t want to be “supported”.
Your rights as an individual are dissolved by the state, where the state interests begin.
Again, re-read it. There is ZERO consideration for rights of individuals. All consideration, every consideration, is framed around the interests of the state.
Until the state government identifies and agrees that these specific state designated terms and conditions are met, all Californians are to remain under home detention; and all civil rights are suspended by order of the state.
Post by: nddons on April 15, 2020, 07:33:13 AM
I’m also thinking she’s one of Anthony’s ex wives.
https://www.facebook.com/501274411/posts/10157465151029412/?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 15, 2020, 07:55:58 AM
Don’t know if this link will work, but she is saying everything we’ve been saying. She had me right up to the end when she mentioned chemtrails, but otherwise she’s spot on. Well worth the 11 minutes.
I’m also thinking she’s one of Anthony’s ex wives.
https://www.facebook.com/501274411/posts/10157465151029412/?
It's all a massive conspiracy ::)
She lost me right away.
It might have been better if I didn't turn on the sound.
Post by: nddons on April 15, 2020, 08:04:25 AM
You think all these moves like preventing people from parking in church parking lots on Easter, or stopping the sale of vegetable seeds in Michigan is because the government cares about you?
It's all a massive conspiracy ::)
She lost me right away.
It might have been better if I didn't turn on the sound.
Post by: Anthony on April 15, 2020, 08:16:56 AM
Don’t know if this link will work, but she is saying everything we’ve been saying. She had me right up to the end when she mentioned chemtrails, but otherwise she’s spot on. Well worth the 11 minutes.
I’m also thinking she’s one of Anthony’s ex wives.
https://www.facebook.com/501274411/posts/10157465151029412/?
I didn't read your post prior to playing the video, but that's exactly what I thought also. Then I see this^^^^^. lol!
She's a tough looking broad. I will neither confirm, nor deny the allegation. ;D
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 15, 2020, 08:20:00 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 16, 2020, 07:24:09 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 16, 2020, 02:34:10 PM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/04/16/ohio-governor-says-state-will-reopen-on-may-1-n2567076
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On Thursday, Ohio Republican Gov. Mike DeWine announced the Buckeye State will reopen for business starting May 1, when the governor's stay-at-home order is set to expire. The governor said his administration is currently working on guidelines to allow employees to safely return to work at the beginning of next month.
A task force charged with reopening the state is working on safeguards to protect Ohioans as they return to their job sites. The plan will reportedly include measures such as monitoring employee temperatures, requiring employees to wear face masks, disinfecting surfaces and other protective steps.
Post by: Mr Pou on April 17, 2020, 05:44:00 AM
Of course I expect other Dem governors to match him. Can’t be one upped you know.
Post by: Anthony on April 17, 2020, 05:45:25 AM
Cuomo has now said NY will stay locked down at least until May 15. Foolish.
Of course I expect other Dem governors to match him. Can’t be one upped you know.
The Democrat Governors in the northeast, including mine (The White Obama in PA) are colluding to make this crisis as bad as possible.
Post by: Rush on April 17, 2020, 05:49:11 AM
The Democrat Governors in the northeast, including mine (The White Obama in PA) are colluding to make this crisis as bad as possible.
As they continue getting paid and living in their mansions. FUCK THEM.
Post by: Lucifer on April 17, 2020, 05:56:21 AM
As they continue getting paid and living in their mansions. FUCK THEM.
Each state needs to vote in new laws. Primarily, when a Governor "locks down" a state, he and his staff get zero pay. Also, state legislatures will get no pay as well as state agencies and employees.
Post by: Anthony on April 17, 2020, 06:16:36 AM
Each state needs to vote in new laws. Primarily, when a Governor "locks down" a state, he and his staff get zero pay. Also, state legislatures will get no pay as well as state agencies and employees.
Yes, we have created a ROYALTY with no skin in the game. The Politicians should stop getting paid, and the non-essential Government Workers and Bureaucrats get FURLOUGHED. I would also add the non essential workers need to demonstrate their VALUE in order to go back to work. I know I am asking too much and that would be difficult to do, but I think we have over twice as many government workers as needed on every level. If this were in place, this shutdown would never have happened.
Post by: jb1842 on April 17, 2020, 06:47:33 AM
Post by: Rush on April 17, 2020, 07:12:25 AM
It will have guidelines for the states to reopen “safely”. Trump has repeatedly said that if a state doesn’t comply with guidelines well enough he would exert his authority to force them to. I think everyone has assumed that means if they aren’t strict enough, he will force them to comply more strictly.
I wonder if the reverse is true? Maybe Trump will exert his authority to force a state to loosen restrictions if they impose something tighter than the White House guidelines? Wouldn’t that be amazing? Everyone thinking Trump is making a grab at dictatorship and then he goes and sides with the people for freedom instead of with a governor that openly admits ignoring the Bill of Rights.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 17, 2020, 07:52:42 AM
Cuomo has now said NY will stay locked down at least until May 15. Foolish.Heaven forbid he should do things differently for upstate as for NYC. DeBlasio surely fucked this up royally.
Of course I expect other Dem governors to match him. Can’t be one upped you know.
Post by: nddons on April 19, 2020, 06:35:17 AM
Ohio announced yesterday that they are planning to end it by May 1.Lucky you. Pencil neck twerp dem Governor Evers just locked down Wisconsin until May 26.
It won’t stand.
Post by: jb1842 on April 19, 2020, 08:16:07 AM
Lucky you. Pencil neck twerp dem Governor Evers just locked down Wisconsin until May 26.
It won’t stand.
It's madness to keep it closed that long. Businesses that are struggling now will be completely gone come end of May.
Post by: Mr Pou on April 19, 2020, 08:28:47 AM
It's madness to keep it closed that long. Businesses that are struggling now will be completely gone come end of May.
And the Dems will blame it all on Trump.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 19, 2020, 09:23:47 AM
And the Dems will blame it all on Trump.
Democrat/Socialists seek power at any cost.
Post by: Anthony on April 19, 2020, 09:36:56 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 19, 2020, 10:37:27 AM
It's madness to keep it closed that long. Businesses that are struggling now will be completely gone come end of May.That's what they want, they don't care one bit about the business owners.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 19, 2020, 10:44:31 AM
That's what they want, they don't care one bit about the business owners.
or the people that work
Post by: Lucifer on April 19, 2020, 10:49:26 AM
That's what they want, they don't care one bit about the business owners.
Under socialism privately owned businesses aren’t allowed. So yes, these progressive leftist don’t care about all of the businesses they destroy. This is partially behind why the dims won’t approve additional money for the SBA loans.
Did anyone notice the latest dim proposal on unemployment? A $2000/month entitlement that would last until several conditions were met. One condition would be unemployment would have to go back to January/February levels.
Now stop and think about that for a minute. They (government) control those numbers, and we know dims never cheat. I can promise you, if the republicans were to cave on this, we would never see those numbers ever again, and there we would have “universal income”..
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 19, 2020, 10:53:39 AM
Under socialism privately owned businesses aren’t allowed. So yes, these progressive leftist don’t care about all of the businesses they destroy. This is partially behind why the dims won’t approve additional money for the SBA loans.
Did anyone notice the latest dim proposal on unemployment? A $2000/month entitlement that would last until several conditions were met. One condition would be unemployment would have to go back to January/February levels.
Now stop and think about that for a minute. They (government) control those numbers, and we know dims never cheat. I can promise you, if the republicans were to cave on this, we would never see those numbers ever again, and there we would have “universal income”..
If someone were to get $2000/month for not working, who is going to go back to a crap job?
Post by: jb1842 on April 19, 2020, 11:11:31 AM
That's what they want, they don't care one bit about the business owners.
They want everyone to rely on the government to regulate and control every aspect of peoples lives.
Post by: Lucifer on April 19, 2020, 11:24:40 AM
If someone were to get $2000/month for not working, who is going to go back to a crap job?
Exactly. Remember, the “New Green Deal” has universal income. And once you get more and more people on universal income, the more control they have.
Communism to the core.
Post by: lowtimer on April 19, 2020, 02:08:00 PM
If someone were to get $2000/month for not working, who is going to go back to a crap job?
At some point they will assign people work. You will show up or else............
Post by: Rush on April 19, 2020, 02:19:37 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 19, 2020, 02:44:46 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 19, 2020, 04:03:00 PM
Let's say we pay that to 150M people, that's $300B a month or $3.6T a year.
Just tax the rich more. And tax Wall St.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 19, 2020, 04:05:53 PM
Just tax the rich more. And tax Wall St.
and just reduce the DoD budget
Post by: lowtimer on April 19, 2020, 04:51:51 PM
Let's say we pay that to 150M people, that's $300B a month or $3.6T a year.
Just mint some 10 Trillion Dollar coins, what could possibly go wrong........................... ::)
Post by: Anthony on April 19, 2020, 04:53:00 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 19, 2020, 06:10:51 PM
Post by: nddons on April 19, 2020, 07:40:09 PM
If someone were to get $2000/month for not working, who is going to go back to a crap job?Illegal ... sorry, “undocumented” aliens.
It’s all part of the plan.
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2020, 05:20:22 AM
Illegal ... sorry, “undocumented” aliens.
It’s all part of the plan.
Crash the economy
Create huge unemployment
Still promote Open Borders (Amnesty, free healthcare, free college, Universal Basic Income for Illegal Aliens)
BLAME TRUMP
Install Biden and whichever Black, Woman he chooses
Get enough Republican RINOS to pass the Green New Deal (all social programs, income redistribution and horrendous regulations)
Done and Done.
Post by: Ron22 on April 20, 2020, 05:27:31 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-children-un/u-n-warns-economic-downturn-could-kill-hundreds-of-thousands-of-children-in-2020-idUSKBN21Y2X7?fbclid=IwAR30UeR8w0hVnnIRzdSlZzfrXVDKwLRLvBK9OIogUUJrpdh-DaQnQHs1zzE
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U.N. warns economic downturn could kill hundreds of thousands of children in 2020
Wont work he will be racist :)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 20, 2020, 06:08:30 AM
Maybe Trump should say we need to open back up to save the children.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-children-un/u-n-warns-economic-downturn-could-kill-hundreds-of-thousands-of-children-in-2020-idUSKBN21Y2X7?fbclid=IwAR30UeR8w0hVnnIRzdSlZzfrXVDKwLRLvBK9OIogUUJrpdh-DaQnQHs1zzE
Wont work he will be racist :)
since everyone who dies during the COVID-19 panic is considered a COVID-19 fatality...
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2020, 07:12:04 AM
Crash the economy
Create huge unemployment
Still promote Open Borders (Amnesty, free healthcare, free college, Universal Basic Income for Illegal Aliens)
BLAME TRUMP
Install Biden and whichever Black, Woman he chooses
Get enough Republican RINOS to pass the Green New Deal (all social programs, income redistribution and horrendous regulations)
Done and Done.
Just imagine what the borders would look like if we opened them, then started "universal income" for everyone.
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2020, 07:19:47 AM
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2020, 07:26:14 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2020, 07:43:16 AM
Oil is down to $11 per barrel. Wow, that is not a good sign.
Think about it, a barrel of oil is cheaper than a bucket of chicken..............
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 20, 2020, 07:47:55 AM
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2020, 07:48:54 AM
Think about it, a barrel of oil is cheaper than a bucket of chicken..............
Buy oil futures not chicken futures. :)
The market is telling us that demand for oil will continue to be way down which means a lot of experts have no faith in the Economy, or a revival of the economy anytime soon.
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2020, 07:55:03 AM
Buy oil futures not chicken futures. :)
The market is telling us that demand for oil will continue to be way down which means a lot of experts have no faith in the Economy, or a revival of the economy anytime soon.
Exactly.
The progressives want everything destroyed since 2017. The very thought of a non politician coming into office and accomplishing what they said couldn't be done is obscene to them. They were on their way to the "fundamental transformation" they had dreamed about for years, and an outsider ruined it, and showed the American people there was a better way, and a he showed them how bad the establishment had screwed it up.
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2020, 08:00:36 AM
Exactly.
The progressives want everything destroyed since 2017. The very thought of a non politician coming into office and accomplishing what they said couldn't be done is obscene to them. They were on their way to the "fundamental transformation" they had dreamed about for years, and an outsider ruined it, and showed the American people there was a better way, and a he showed them how bad the establishment had screwed it up.
THIS
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2020, 08:08:35 AM
The progressives want everything destroyed since 2017. The very thought of a non politician coming into office and accomplishing what they said couldn't be done is obscene to them. They were on their way to the "fundamental transformation" they had dreamed about for years, and an outsider ruined it, and showed the American people there was a better way, and a he showed them how bad the establishment had screwed it up.
They've succeeded. The litmus test for us as a country will be how we deal with this and how we vote in November. If Trump loses, the entire country loses and we lose the America we knew, and loved. Fundamental Transformation will continue to be installed by a version of the Green New Deal, or something like it. RBG will be replaced with another Constitution and America hater like her, or like Sotomayor and Kagan.
So far what I have seen is not promising. People rolling over and accepting the destruction of their natural rights. Many are convinced this needs to stay in place relatively long term. Mass Media created hysteria.
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2020, 08:09:30 AM
They've succeeded. The litmus test for us as a country will be how we deal with this and how we vote in November. If Trump loses, the entire country loses and we lose the America we knew, and loved. Fundamental Transformation will continue to be installed by a version of the Green New Deal, or something like it. RBG will be replaced with another Constitution and America hater like her, or like Sotomayor and Kagan.
So far what I have seen is not promising. People rolling over and accepting the destruction of their natural rights. Many are convinced this needs to stay in place relatively long term. Mass Media created hysteria.
Also THIS
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2020, 08:13:20 AM
Post by: bflynn on April 20, 2020, 08:24:10 AM
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article242094271.html
He doesn't have a clue what he's doing or why.
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2020, 09:31:40 AM
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2020, 09:42:11 AM
https://pjmedia.com/trending/heres-how-much-downstate-new-york-is-skewing-the-united-states-coronavirus-numbers/
This is just more evidence that highlights the fact that we need to separate Metro Area "America" from the rest of real AMERICA. The policies of major Cities and their Suburbs are often not only unnecessary elsewhere, but are at odds with the interests of people in lesser populated areas. In effect these regions need separate laws and representation that just pertains to THEM, not city dweebs and vica versa.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 20, 2020, 10:14:24 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 20, 2020, 10:17:10 AM
Limbaugh is decrying the fact that the oil price is tanking. I guess there are times when capitalism doesn't work of conservatives.
Perhaps he is more concerned about low oil prices as an indication of how the economies worldwide are idling.
Low oil prices are not necessarily a bad thing.
Of course, another consequence of low oil prices is it completely screws the viability of alternative energy sources.
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2020, 11:02:07 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-refinery-operations-exxon-baytown/exxons-baytown-texas-refinery-to-shut-gasoline-unit-by-early-next-week-sources-idUSKBN21D3GH
It effects more than just refinery employees. Our neighbor works in a small engineering firm that provides design services for these refineries. They are worried. I am too. I like them and don't want them having to sell their home and move into a doublewide. But I guess I'm just selfish, putting money above lives.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 20, 2020, 11:16:45 AM
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2020, 11:51:55 AM
With the current oil glut how are you going to prop up the price of oil?
I don't think it should be propped up.
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2020, 12:14:09 PM
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The soon-to-expire May contract for the U.S. oil benchmark was on track Monday to finish in single digits for the lowest close and biggest one-day plunge on record for a front-month contract, reflecting a growing glut of crude and a lack of storage space.
The current Market Price for a barrel of Oil is -30.40. That's right NEGATIVE.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-oils-may-contract-skids-about-20-at-nadir-as-crudes-woes-continue-2020-04-19?mod=home-page
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2020, 12:39:27 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2020, 02:42:39 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2020, 02:49:29 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 20, 2020, 03:31:30 PM
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2020, 03:33:50 PM
Georgia is going to reopen starting on Friday!!
Really??? That's GREAT!
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 20, 2020, 03:36:46 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2020, 04:47:23 PM
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2020, 04:58:09 PM
Post by: texasag93 on April 20, 2020, 05:47:51 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/04/20/can-the-coronavirus-be-spread-through-farts/
“No bare-bottom farting,” Swan advised about posterior pandemic panic, in a measured, mildly amused tone.
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2020, 05:51:17 PM
“No bare-bottom farting,” Swan advised about posterior pandemic panic, in a measured, mildly amused tone.
New Corona (Chinese) virus protocol. Not only must masks be worn over the face, but you must light your farts too. ::)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 20, 2020, 06:49:28 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 20, 2020, 07:10:25 PM
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2020, 07:27:37 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 21, 2020, 04:55:35 AM
Tucker is spot on as usual.
not quite. There was never a time for panic.
Post by: Anthony on April 21, 2020, 05:58:19 AM
not quite. There was never a time for panic.
True. I didn't catch him saying that it was. I must have missed it.
Post by: Mr Pou on April 21, 2020, 06:05:10 AM
I really think the reopening of the country is going to split right down political lines, republicans getting their people back to work and democrats continuing to oppress and keep people on the government dole.
Post by: Rush on April 21, 2020, 06:22:20 AM
Our governor, a republican, is ending shelter in place May 1 and is starting a phased opening of businesses. Our mayor, a democrat, says he's not going to open up the city based on arbitrary dates, meaning we will still be on lockdown.
I really think the reopening of the country is going to split right down political lines, republicans getting their people back to work and democrats continuing to oppress and keep people on the government dole.
And Democrats painting Republicans/Reopeners as evil racists which is THE formula for war, when you portray your enemy as an inhuman Face of Evil. (To be fair, we are doing that to them too.) The Dems are unable to even admit that those who want to reopen are losing jobs and businesses and hurting greatly. On the other hand, us portraying them as evil is actually accurate when it comes to the fascists in power, but not the average democrat who is just brainwashed by fear from the media.
Post by: Anthony on April 21, 2020, 06:24:03 AM
Our governor, a republican, is ending shelter in place May 1 and is starting a phased opening of businesses. Our mayor, a democrat, says he's not going to open up the city based on arbitrary dates, meaning we will still be on lockdown.
I really think the reopening of the country is going to split right down political lines, republicans getting their people back to work and democrats continuing to oppress and keep people on the government dole.
Can you give us a hint at which State?
Post by: Mr Pou on April 21, 2020, 08:10:38 AM
Can you give us a hint at which State?
Davey Crockett was born, here I was not lol.
Post by: Mr Pou on April 21, 2020, 11:00:35 AM
Our governor, a republican, is ending shelter in place May 1 and is starting a phased opening of businesses. Our mayor, a democrat, says he's not going to open up the city based on arbitrary dates, meaning we will still be on lockdown.
I really think the reopening of the country is going to split right down political lines, republicans getting their people back to work and democrats continuing to oppress and keep people on the government dole.
In further developments, the mayor of our county, a republican, is following the lead of the governor and opening the county May 1. Our democratic mayor is now considering having the police force issue individual citations to anyone violating HIS shelter at home proclamation.
Again, right down the party line.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 21, 2020, 11:08:19 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 21, 2020, 11:08:27 AM
In further developments, the mayor of our county, a republican, is following the lead of the governor and opening the county May 1. Our democratic mayor is now considering having the police force issue individual citations to anyone violating HIS shelter at home proclamation.
Again, right down the party line.
The mayor cannot have police write violations for anything outside of the law. The mayor cannot write laws on his own, those laws must be wrote by the legislature and signed by the governor. The mayor is an executive, and executives are there to enforce the laws as written by the legislature.
Tyranny is when an executive in government decides to bypass the legislature and courts and begin issuing their own laws and demanding his police force enforce them.
Post by: Mr Pou on April 21, 2020, 11:26:36 AM
The mayor cannot have police write violations for anything outside of the law. The mayor cannot write laws on his own, those laws must be wrote by the legislature and signed by the governor. The mayor is an executive, and executives are there to enforce the laws as written by the legislature.
Tyranny is when an executive in government decides to bypass the legislature and courts and begin issuing their own laws and demanding his police force enforce them.
Proposed ordinance to amend city code:
https://www.scribd.com/document/457558221/VI-a-2020-04-08-City-Code-Sec-13-15-b-and-Sec-20-42-Civil-Emergencies-and-Duties-of-Police-v1-Mem#from_embed
Post by: Lucifer on April 21, 2020, 11:39:27 AM
Proposed ordinance to amend city code:
https://www.scribd.com/document/457558221/VI-a-2020-04-08-City-Code-Sec-13-15-b-and-Sec-20-42-Civil-Emergencies-and-Duties-of-Police-v1-Mem#from_embed
Simple answer: No.
Unfortunately this will have to be run through the courts, and ultimately the state supreme court. The state AG should also get involved as well as the DoJ.
Post by: Dweyant on April 21, 2020, 07:11:28 PM
Davey Crockett was born, here I was not lol.
I’m currently sitting about a ten minute drive from his birth site. I’m waving, wave back!
-Dan
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 21, 2020, 07:58:03 PM
Wait! Mad Dog Mattis lives here. ;D We occasionally would see him at a restaurant, in pre-quarantine days.
But he’s not a patch on Davy Crockett.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 21, 2020, 08:01:17 PM
I’m currently sitting about a ten minute drive from his birth site. I’m waving, wave back!
-Dan
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/ny4gx65xE84MNoilKh/200.gif)
Or did you mean you wanted Mr Pou to wave back?
Post by: Anthony on April 21, 2020, 08:26:01 PM
Post by: Mase on April 21, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
I was born near the Daniel Boone home sight. Does that count?
Would that be Boone's Farm?
Post by: Dweyant on April 22, 2020, 04:24:08 AM
Would that be Boone's Farm?
That comment really tickles me pink.
Post by: Mr Pou on April 22, 2020, 04:43:04 AM
Simple answer: No.
Unfortunately this will have to be run through the courts, and ultimately the state supreme court. The state AG should also get involved as well as the DoJ.
City council tabled the proposal, citing that it was "draconian" and a little bit like a "police state." I'm glad someone on council had the balls to bounce this one...
Post by: Anthony on April 22, 2020, 06:14:25 AM
Would that be Boone's Farm?
Yes. Vintage? Yesterday.
Post by: Lucifer on April 22, 2020, 06:26:21 AM
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Kerry Mergen, a contract egg farmer near Albany, Minn., got word on a Wednesday the chickens in his barn would be euthanized. A crew showed up the next morning and started gassing the birds with carbon dioxide.
The sudden drop in demand for food at restaurants, school cafeterias and caterers shut down by the pandemic has ripped through farming. Milk has been dumped, eggs smashed and ripe lettuce plowed under.
Now, farms are killing animals sooner than planned.
Mergen said he initially couldn’t believe it when a field manager from Daybreak Foods, the Lake Mills, Wis.-based firm that owned and paid to feed the flock of 61,000 birds, said they might be killed early. His contract called for the flock to produce eggs until fall.
“I was wrong and the company decided to do it anyway,” Mergen said.
Post by: jb1842 on April 22, 2020, 06:51:13 AM
https://www.startribune.com/egg-demand-shifted-and-61-000-minnesota-chickens-were-euthanized/569817312/
Last week some grocery stores near me were limiting milk to 2 gallons per customer.
Post by: Lucifer on April 22, 2020, 07:19:59 AM
Last week some grocery stores near me were limiting milk to 2 gallons per customer.
Milk farmers are pouring the milk on the ground right now because the producers have limited production.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 22, 2020, 07:32:22 AM
edit: and milk farmers have been consistently screwed by the government price controls... not just now, but for years.
Post by: Anthony on April 22, 2020, 07:36:34 AM
Here, the local grocery stores only limit purchases on things that are high demand and they can't otherwise keep in stock
edit: and milk farmers have been consistently screwed by the government price controls... not just now, but for years.
In addition demand has been reduced in recent years as Milk Alternatives have become popular. Such products like Soy "Milk" and "Almond "Milk" as well as a plethora of others have taken mrrket share away from actual Dairy Milk.
Post by: Rush on April 22, 2020, 07:38:24 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 22, 2020, 08:24:14 AM
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IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) — Tyson Foods suspended operations Wednesday at an Iowa plant that is critical to the nation’s pork supply but had been devastated by a growing coronavirus outbreak.
The company said that the indefinite closure of the Waterloo, Iowa, pork plant would deny a vital market to hog farmers and further disrupt the nation’s meat supply. Tyson had kept the facility, its largest pork plant, open in recent days over the objections of the mayor and local elected officials.
The plant can process about 19,500 hogs per day, accounting for nearly 4% of U.S. pork processing capacity, according to the National Pork Board.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 22, 2020, 08:29:11 AM
https://apnews.com/d21fe9a4864971427d40fd2caa61ad34
"Tyson had kept the facility, its largest pork plant, open in recent days over the objections of the mayor and local elected officials."
<sigh>
Is that the only response politicians have? close it down?
Everyone needs to get a grip. This is not Ebola. It's like the flu albeit a nasty variant.
I'm reminded of that line that goes something like: we cured the disease but the patient died. or was it: the operation was a success but the patient died.
There won't be much point to "curing" COVID-19 if we completely screw up the ability of people to feed themselves.
Post by: Anthony on April 22, 2020, 08:33:44 AM
"Tyson had kept the facility, its largest pork plant, open in recent days over the objections of the mayor and local elected officials."
<sigh>
Is that the only response politicians have? close it down?
Everyone needs to get a grip. This is not Ebola. It's like the flu albeit a nasty variant.
I'm reminded of that line that goes something like: we cured the disease but the patient died. or was it: the operation was a success but the patient died.
There won't be much point to "curing" COVID-19 if we completely screw up the ability of people to feed themselves.
I am starting to believe this entire, unnecessary over reaction and total shutdown is a TEST to see how much Government can trample rights, freedoms and liberties and how much people will take. The results? The people will take whatever, whenever and do what the Government wants out of FEAR promoted by the MEDIA.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 22, 2020, 08:45:32 AM
Post by: Rush on April 22, 2020, 08:54:09 AM
I am starting to believe this entire, unnecessary over reaction and total shutdown is a TEST to see how much Government can trample rights, freedoms and liberties and how much people will take. The results? The people will take whatever, whenever and do what the Government wants out of FEAR promoted by the MEDIA.
I don’t think it was a conscious planned test but I sure do think they are thrilled to discover all these new tools of control. Apps on our phones that track our location history and track which people we were close to, unmanned drones conducting surveillance, tip lines for snitches - not to snitch on a drug dealer, but on two people standing close to each other or too many people in a store at the same time.
All these tools are now in place. Supposedly only to be used temporarily during the pandemic but anyone who believes that is an idiot. Look no further than post 911 NSA data collection which we were assured was “only to catch terrorists” and it took less than two decades to use that to trap innocent American citizens that happened to be the opposite political party of bad actors in high places.
You know damn well they’re already thinking of it. An app tracking who you come physically close to will make geofence warrants stupid easy. You happened to sit in a restaurant near the next Tim McVeigh, or some Islamic jihadist, you’re going to get a knock on the door and hauled off for interrogation.
All these tools WILL be turned against us by tyrants, 100% assured.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 22, 2020, 09:09:01 AM
- April 14: 830
- April 15: 634
- April 16: 661
- April 17: 537
- April 18: 256
- April 19: 157
- April 20: 96
- April 21: 23
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 22, 2020, 09:10:50 AM
Georgia Daily new cases:
April 14: 830
- April 15: 634
- April 16: 661
- April 17: 537
- April 18: 256
- April 19: 157
- April 20: 96
- April 21: 23
That just means they aren't doing as many tests. Yeah, that's it...
Post by: nddons on April 22, 2020, 09:12:35 AM
Would that be Boone's Farm?I think that’s the name of Nancy Pelosi’ Vineyard that I drove past 10 years ago. Lol
Post by: nddons on April 22, 2020, 09:15:56 AM
In addition demand has been reduced in recent years as Milk Alternatives have become popular. Such products like Soy "Milk" and "Almond "Milk" as well as a plethora of others have taken mrrket share away from actual Dairy Milk.All of the above is true. Dairy farmers are incensed by the false advertising helping consumers move away from real natural and wholesome milk.
My daughter is very concerned about her dairy clients.
Post by: Anthony on April 22, 2020, 09:35:10 AM
"I'm not dead yet!
Post by: Lucifer on April 22, 2020, 12:22:56 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 22, 2020, 12:40:00 PM
https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/04/21/coronavirus-isnt-slowing-destruction-san-francisco/
Dear God.
Post by: Rush on April 22, 2020, 01:16:24 PM
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One theory is that a sizable number of people who are homeless and drug addicts have mental illness and are self-medicating in the absence of reliable, stable, effective treatment options. Sandberg agrees, saying that many, possibly even the majority, of the homeless people she encounters fit that description and that society must do better:
The lack of high quality, free/low cost psych care is disgusting. Immoral. Unethical. So what do we do instead? Help them do more drugs, which makes them worse.”
...
If California’s elected officials were truly concerned about public health, they would take some of the billions of dollars they’ve received to “fight homelessness” and for coronavirus response and, as Sandberg argued in an April 3 article, set up MASH-style units at the Moscone Center and other places to quarantine the homeless population while providing substance abuse treatment and mental health interventions. Since there is an active State of Emergency, county health officials have more latitude than ever to keep these people in treatment while in quarantine. But that might actually start solving the problem and end the gravy train of dollars pouring into the activists’ ineffective nonprofits.
I am absolutely convinced the bolded part is true. Conventional wisdom says drug addiction is caused by trying “gateway” drugs such as pot. This ignores the data showing that most people who try pot never go on to develop a drug habit. And most people get into drugs beginning in the teen years. However, many mental disorders present in the teens including depression, anxiety, bipolar, and psychosis. So the correlation between trying pot for the first time and the start of your mental illness is there, making it appear that the pot caused a subsequent addiction when in reality it was the emerging mental illness that sent addicts from pot to pills to the needle.
Our treatment paradigm for mental illness is basically to get the patient hooked on a drug. Anti-anxiety meds, ADHD meds, and anti-depressants are all basically street drugs cleaned up and dose controlled. (Anti-psychotics are a slightly different category, but are still required for life.) Psychiatric pharmaceuticals as the basis for treatment is extremely problematic, because it doesn’t address the underlying cause of mental illness and it locks patients into expensive lifelong relationships with a healthcare industry that has failed to find better solutions because, and I say this as a free market capitalist - its a huge money maker.
But it’s all we have and better than letting them die in the streets, so I can’t argue with her suggestion to set up treatment centers for them instead of giving money to activist groups that are apparently not interested in actually helping people because ending the problem would end their cash cow.
Post by: Lucifer on April 22, 2020, 02:05:26 PM
This is happening in Houston:
https://noqreport.com/2020/04/22/joe-gamaldi-lina-hidalgo-houston-face-mask-court-order-harris-county/
He is right, it is unconstitutional. But far left activist Judge Hidalgo doesn't care.
Meanwhile, next door in Galveston County:
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/04/22/galveston-county-judge-says-he-believes-mask-orders-are-unconstitutional/
And this article is right on:
https://noqreport.com/2020/04/22/once-you-flatten-the-curve-the-left-will-just-move-the-goalposts/
Post by: nddons on April 22, 2020, 09:24:02 PM
So as the free states are starting to open up, the progressives are hammering down harder.Judges aren’t the duly elected legislature.
This is happening in Houston:
https://noqreport.com/2020/04/22/joe-gamaldi-lina-hidalgo-houston-face-mask-court-order-harris-county/
He is right, it is unconstitutional. But far left activist Judge Hidalgo doesn't care.
Meanwhile, next door in Galveston County:
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/04/22/galveston-county-judge-says-he-believes-mask-orders-are-unconstitutional/
And this article is right on:
https://noqreport.com/2020/04/22/once-you-flatten-the-curve-the-left-will-just-move-the-goalposts/
Unconstitutional. Move on.
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2020, 08:05:06 AM
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Jamie Black-Lewis felt like she won the lottery after getting two forgivable loans through the Paycheck Protection Program.
Black-Lewis saw the $177,000 and $43,800 loans, one for each of the spas she owns in Washington state, as a lifeline she could use for payroll and other business expenses.
She’d halted pay for the 35 employees — including herself — at Oasis Medspa & Salon, in Woodinville, and Amai Day Spa, in Bothell, in mid-March, when nonessential businesses in Washington closed due to the coronavirus pandemic.
When Black-Lewis convened a virtual employee meeting to explain her good fortune, she expected jubilation and relief that paychecks would resume in full even though the staff — primarily hourly employees — couldn’t work.
She got a different reaction.
“It was a firestorm of hatred about the situation,” Black-Lewis said.
The animosity is an unintended consequence of the $2.2 trillion coronavirus relief package enacted last month.
The law, the CARES Act, offered $349 billion in loans for small businesses struggling as a result of Covid-19. Banks, backstopped by the federal government, can fully forgive the loans under certain conditions.
Among them, the bulk of funds must go toward payroll, salaries must remain intact and employee head count must not decrease. Businesses have until June 30 to rehire laid-off or furloughed workers.
Black-Lewis was trying to meet these rules, especially after her bank reiterated she must continue to pay workers for loan forgiveness.
The anger came from employees who’d determined they’d make more money by collecting unemployment benefits than their normal paychecks.
Post by: Ron22 on April 23, 2020, 08:19:14 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/she-got-a-paycheck-protection-loan-her-employees-hate-her-for-it.html
My friend owns a business she got one of these loans too. For the most part her employees are happy. They were never laid of so they have not figured out they would make more not working. Her problem is they need to keep a percent of people on payroll. A couple of people found out if they feel they are not safe they can stay home and collect unemployment. This is lowering her percentage and she may end up having to pay back the loan.
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2020, 08:24:57 AM
My friend owns a business she got one of these loans too. For the most part her employees are happy. They were never laid of so they have not figured out they would make more not working. Her problem is they need to keep a percent of people on payroll. A couple of people found out if they feel they are not safe they can stay home and collect unemployment. This is lowering her percentage and she may end up having to pay back the loan.
Yep, again, Pelosi figured this right in to the bill.
The goal of the progressives with this bill was to keep unemployment numbers high. Also, the other goal was to burden small businesses and ultimately put them out of business, and in turn, keep unemployment high. Of course the next step is to keep extending the unemployment benefits along with the over ride.
Post by: Anthony on April 23, 2020, 08:29:59 AM
Yep, again, Pelosi figured this right in to the bill.
The goal of the progressives with this bill was to keep unemployment numbers high. Also, the other goal was to burden small businesses and ultimately put them out of business, and in turn, keep unemployment high. Of course the next step is to keep extending the unemployment benefits along with the over ride.
Exactly!!! And keep extending the shutdown as LONG AS POSSIBLE.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 23, 2020, 08:35:41 AM
My friend owns a business she got one of these loans too. For the most part her employees are happy. They were never laid of so they have not figured out they would make more not working. Her problem is they need to keep a percent of people on payroll. A couple of people found out if they feel they are not safe they can stay home and collect unemployment. This is lowering her percentage and she may end up having to pay back the loan.
The interest rate on the loan is only 1%.
The business doesn't actually have to rehire the same people, just restore the same payroll/staffing levels.
Number of Staff: Your loan forgiveness will be reduced if you decrease your full-time employee headcount.
Level of Payroll: Your loan forgiveness will also be reduced if you decrease salaries and wages by more than 25% for any employee that made less than $100,000 annualized in 2019.
Re-Hiring: You have until June 30, 2020 to restore your full-time employment and salary levels for any changes made between February 15, 2020 and April 26, 2020.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 23, 2020, 08:46:54 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/aoc-boycott-work-coronavirus-shutdown
Post by: Ron22 on April 23, 2020, 09:01:20 AM
The interest rate on the loan is only 1%.
The business doesn't actually have to rehire the same people, just restore the same payroll/staffing levels.
Number of Staff: Your loan forgiveness will be reduced if you decrease your full-time employee headcount.
Level of Payroll: Your loan forgiveness will also be reduced if you decrease salaries and wages by more than 25% for any employee that made less than $100,000 annualized in 2019.
Re-Hiring: You have until June 30, 2020 to restore your full-time employment and salary levels for any changes made between February 15, 2020 and April 26, 2020.
Thanks she knows all the rules and know how to deal with them . As for replacing people that leave good luck every retail around here that is still open is trying to get people.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 23, 2020, 09:21:49 AM
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/she-got-a-paycheck-protection-loan-her-employees-hate-her-for-it.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/she-got-a-paycheck-protection-loan-her-employees-hate-her-for-it.html)So she tells them they are working again and must report by phone every day and they will begin getting their paycheck again and she will be notifying the proper people that those people are no longer unemployed. They, either accept her offer or they quit, meaning no more unemployment.
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2020, 09:35:10 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 23, 2020, 09:39:51 AM
https://twitter.com/hale_razor/status/1253081742560227328
shack!
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2020, 11:00:22 AM
https://cbs6albany.com/news/coronavirus/cuomo-tells-protesters-to-get-essential-jobs-says-economic-hardship-doesnt-equal-death
Post by: Rush on April 23, 2020, 11:09:22 AM
Cuomo says "Go out and get an essential job!"
https://cbs6albany.com/news/coronavirus/cuomo-tells-protesters-to-get-essential-jobs-says-economic-hardship-doesnt-equal-death
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Gov. Cuomo: By the way, if you want to go to work, take a job as an essential worker. Do it tomorrow. You are working. You are an essential worker. So, go take a job an essential worker.
That is one of the stupidest sentences I have ever heard in my life.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 23, 2020, 11:18:24 AM
That is one of the stupidest sentences I have ever heard in my life.
Really? There is a certain truth to it. If someone loses their job because the economy is shutdown, why shouldn't they consider other work? Aren't there plenty of jobs out there in the "essential" area? Obviously, a out-of-work hairdresser might have difficulty transitioning to construction (but maybe not as much problem working in a garage...)
Don't get me wrong, I think people are grossly overreacting to COVID-19.
Post by: Anthony on April 23, 2020, 12:18:48 PM
Really? There is a certain truth to it. If someone loses their job because the economy is shutdown, why shouldn't they consider other work? Aren't there plenty of jobs out there in the "essential" area? Obviously, a out-of-work hairdresser might have difficulty transitioning to construction (but maybe not as much problem working in a garage...)
Don't get me wrong, I think people are grossly overreacting to COVID-19.
Really? I am a white collar, business exec type. What essential work can I do that will PAY the same as my regular job?
Post by: Rush on April 23, 2020, 12:39:10 PM
Really? There is a certain truth to it. If someone loses their job because the economy is shutdown, why shouldn't they consider other work? Aren't there plenty of jobs out there in the "essential" area? Obviously, a out-of-work hairdresser might have difficulty transitioning to construction (but maybe not as much problem working in a garage...)
Don't get me wrong, I think people are grossly overreacting to COVID-19.
I’m having trouble responding to this... where are 20 million new “essential” jobs supposed to materialize out of thin air from?
Post by: Mase on April 23, 2020, 12:47:42 PM
Really? I am a white collar, business exec type. What essential work can I do that will PAY the same as my regular job?
Airline pilot.
Oh wait....
Post by: Anthony on April 23, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
Airline pilot.
Oh wait....
Ha!
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 23, 2020, 01:05:43 PM
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NEW: The first phase of results from a statewide antibody study are in. We collected approximately 3,000 antibody samples from 40 locations in 19 counties. Preliminary estimates show a 13.9% infection rate.Four things stand out to me:
Percent positive by region:
Long Island: 16.7%
NYC: 21.2%
Westchester/Rockland: 11.7%
Rest of state: 3.6% (Weighted results)
(1) NYC lock down likely didn't accomplish its goal because it was so late.
(2) Contact tracing at this point would be utterly futile.
(3) The Covid-19 fatality rate of NYC (~11,267 died at time of this post, population NYC ~18,800,000 * 0.212 = ~3,980,000 infected) would be ~0.28%.
(4) The two antibody studies in California may still be flawed, but it looks like they happened to yield fatality rates roughly consistent with the New York findings. An attempt at an age-adjusted rate of the Princess Diamond was ~0.5%.
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2020, 01:22:40 PM
Tweet from Andrew Cuomo:Four things stand out to me:
(1) NYC lock down likely didn't accomplish its goal because it was so late.
(2) Contact tracing at this point would be utterly futile.
(3) The Covid-19 fatality rate of NYC (~11,267 died at time of this post, population NYC ~18,800,000 * 0.212 = ~3,980,000 infected) would be ~0.28%.
(4) The two antibody studies in California may still be flawed, but it looks like they happened to yield fatality rates roughly consistent with the New York findings. An attempt at an age-adjusted rate of the Princess Diamond was ~0.5%.
So what you’re saying is the lockdown needs to continue indefinitely?
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 23, 2020, 01:27:33 PM
So what you’re saying is the lockdown needs to continue indefinitely?
Yes - we are in a perpetual war with Covid-19.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 23, 2020, 01:45:46 PM
I’m having trouble responding to this... where are 20 million new “essential” jobs supposed to materialize out of thin air from?
What I'm responding to is your claim that is was the stupidest sentence you ever heard. I'm sure there are many things you've heard that would be stupider, hands down. The congress critter worried about Guam tipping over, needing to pass the bill in order to be able to see what it says, etc.
Please don't make the mistake of thinking that I feel it was a perfectly reasonable comment (Cuomo's comment).
Aren't there at least some job openings in essential businesses?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 23, 2020, 01:47:18 PM
Really? I am a white collar, business exec type. What essential work can I do that will PAY the same as my regular job?
oooooh, a straight line if ever there was one....
:-)
Post by: nddons on April 23, 2020, 01:47:48 PM
Really? There is a certain truth to it. If someone loses their job because the economy is shutdown, why shouldn't they consider other work? Aren't there plenty of jobs out there in the "essential" area? Obviously, a out-of-work hairdresser might have difficulty transitioning to construction (but maybe not as much problem working in a garage...)Come on Bob. It’s a stupid, smart ass, pompous answer to a legitimate question. While the definition of “essential” varies, the CDC guidelines call me, a CPA, essential.
Don't get me wrong, I think people are grossly overreacting to COVID-19.
I’m quite certain that in his morally preening answer, the Governor was implying that unemployed people should pick up a bedpan and go clean the shit from infected patients, ignorant of the fact that healthcare workers are getting layoffs throughout the country.
Post by: Anthony on April 23, 2020, 01:48:24 PM
oooooh, a straight line if ever there was one....
:-)
And Racist! :D
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2020, 02:35:39 PM
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Detroit Democrats plan to vote Saturday to censure and bar any future endorsements of a Democratic lawmaker who credited President Donald Trump with advocating for the drug that she said cured her of COVID-19.
State Rep. Karen Whitsett, D-Detroit, broke protocol by meeting with President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence during an April 14 meeting of COVID-19 survivors, during which she credited hydroxychloroquine for saving her life.
“Thank you for everything that you have done,” Whitsett told Trump at the meeting. “I did not know that saying thank you had a political line. … I’m telling my story and my truth, and this how I feel and these are my words.”
Post by: Rush on April 23, 2020, 02:38:21 PM
What I'm responding to is your claim that is was the stupidest sentence you ever heard. I'm sure there are many things you've heard that would be stupider, hands down. The congress critter worried about Guam tipping over, needing to pass the bill in order to be able to see what it says, etc.
Please don't make the mistake of thinking that I feel it was a perfectly reasonable comment (Cuomo's comment).
Aren't there at least some job openings in essential businesses?
Hahaha! Well, I guess I was overstating to underprove.
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2020, 02:51:16 PM
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As we, in the land of the free and the home of the brave, respond to the Wuhan pandemic by hunkering down, whimpering at the thought of society reopening, and searching in vain for a new set of brown trousers to wear with our fashionable face mask, an interesting experiment is underway in Europe. In Sweden, which has done basically nothing at all in response to the virus, the death rate per one million of population remains significantly lower than American states that have instituted the most draconian regulations.
That’s right, you can actually have your economy and a life that isn’t limited to hiding under your bed and deal with Wuhan virus, too.
Unlike here, some European countries are concluding that the virus isn’t quite as dangerous as the modelers and public health nazis would have us believe. Switzerland has announced that it will reopen schools on May 11.
According to the Federal Council, all compulsory primary classes, closed since the government declared the state of emergency on March 16th, should resume on May 11th. This includes two years of kindergarten, followed by six years of primary school.
Secondary and vocational schools, as well as universities, are expected to resume on June 8th.
Why would they do that?
Post by: Anthony on April 23, 2020, 02:52:45 PM
Hahaha! Well, I guess I was overstating to underprove.
Endeavor to Persevere.
Post by: nudnik on April 23, 2020, 03:07:54 PM
Tweet from Andrew Cuomo:Four things stand out to me:
(1) NYC lock down likely didn't accomplish its goal because it was so late.
(2) Contact tracing at this point would be utterly futile.
(3) The Covid-19 fatality rate of NYC (~11,267 died at time of this post, population NYC ~18,800,000 * 0.212 = ~3,980,000 infected) would be ~0.28%.
(4) The two antibody studies in California may still be flawed, but it looks like they happened to yield fatality rates roughly consistent with the New York findings. An attempt at an age-adjusted rate of the Princess Diamond was ~0.5%.
3) Just a correction here.
Population NYC is 8.3 million (NYS is 19.4 million). 8.3m * 0.212 = 1,759,600 infected with a fatality rate of ~0.6%.
Similar for NYS as a whole: 19.45 million at 13.9% = 2.7 million with current at 20861 = ~0.7% currently.
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2020, 03:17:45 PM
3) Just a correction here.
Population NYC is 8.3 million (NYS is 19.4 million). 8.3m * 0.212 = 1,759,600 infected with a fatality rate of ~0.6%.
It you use a more up to date count (15411 as of yesterday) and add to that another 3000 likely NYC deaths rate over another the next 10 days (since some of those tested yesterday represent people who will die over the next 10 days), it comes to about 18000. So 18000/1759600 = fatality rate of ~1%.
Similar for NYS as a whole: 19.45 million at 13.9% = 2.7 million with current at 20861 = ~0.7% currently. Add 6000 likely NYS deaths over next 10 days = 27000 = fatality rate of ~1%
Just a correction to your correction. I believe Jim was including the boroughs, which makes the number he gave correct, and , greatly decreases your numbers.
Post by: nudnik on April 23, 2020, 03:23:13 PM
Just a correction to your correction. I believe Jim was including the boroughs, which makes the number he gave correct, and , greatly decreases your numbers.
So was I:
The Bronx: 1,432,132
Brooklyn: 2,582,830
Manhattan: 1,628,701
Queens: 2,278,906
Stated Island: 476,179
Total: 8,398,748
Post by: nddons on April 23, 2020, 03:28:14 PM
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/23/democrats-plan-censure-lawmaker-whitsett-credited-trump-covid-19-recovery/3010947001/Her life was literally saved by Trump’s actions, and that’s irrelevant to the unhinged militants on the left.
We are fucked if they ever assume presidential power again.
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2020, 03:29:19 PM
So was I:
The Bronx: 1,432,132
Brooklyn: 2,582,830
Manhattan: 1,628,701
Queens: 2,278,906
Stated Island: 476,179
Total: 8,398,748
I used the census site, so little wonder the numbers were off :o
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2020, 03:30:19 PM
Her life was literally saved by Trump’s actions, and that’s irrelevant to the unhinged militants on the left.
We are fucked if they ever assume presidential power again.
But she stepped off the plantation. And you know what dims do when one of their owned try to leave the plantation................
Post by: Rush on April 23, 2020, 04:19:04 PM
But she stepped off the plantation. And you know what dims do when one of their owned try to leave the plantation................
APOSTATE!!!! Crucify him!!!! Or her.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 23, 2020, 05:03:05 PM
3) Just a correction here.
Population NYC is 8.3 million (NYS is 19.4 million). 8.3m * 0.212 = 1,759,600 infected with a fatality rate of ~0.6%.
Hmm. When I did a google search for population of New York City, this was the first listed web site:
https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/23083/new-york-city/population (https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/23083/new-york-city/population)
It states "The current metro area population of New York City in 2020 is 18,804,000, a 0.01% decline from 2019."
Did not think to cross-check its accuracy.
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It you use a more up to date count (15411 as of yesterday) and add to that another 3000 likely NYC deaths rate over another the next 10 days (since some of those tested yesterday represent people who will die over the next 10 days), it comes to about 18000. So 18000/1759600 = fatality rate of ~1%.
Similar for NYS as a whole: 19.45 million at 13.9% = 2.7 million with current at 20861 = ~0.7% currently. Add 6000 likely NYS deaths over next 10 days = 27000 = fatality rate of ~1%
This was an antibody test, indicating a cohort that already had the disease and survived. They should be compared to the cohorts that acquired the disease within the same time-frame and subsequently died. For those that die, from first symptoms to death is about 14 days.[1] Antibodies also do not appear till about 7 to 10 days after infection.[2] If you include deaths in the next 10 days, you must also include people who have been infected around the same period but have not yet developed antibodies (a presumably even larger number than 6000.)
According to healthdata.org, NYS had 18,435 deaths on April 20. It isn't clear what dates the testing spanned, so the size of the comparison dead cohort isn't clear to me.
All that said, a death rate of ~0.7% seems plausible too. To put this percentage in perspective, the infant mortality rate in the U.S. is 5.8 deaths per 1000 live births (~0.58%.)[3]
[1] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/)
[2] https://www.fda.gov/media/136623/download (https://www.fda.gov/media/136623/download)
[3] https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/infantmortality.htm (https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/infantmortality.htm)
Post by: Lucifer on April 23, 2020, 05:40:56 PM
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New research from the Department of Homeland Security shows sunlight and humidity kill coronavirus quickly, the White House Coronavirus Task Force announced Thursday.
"Increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially-contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus," William N. Bryan, acting under secretary for Science and Technology for the Department of Homeland Security, said at the White House Coronavirus Task Force briefing.
Bryan said DHS testing showed there was a "very significant difference" when the coronavirus is exposed to UV rays, and "extra care may be warranted or dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light."
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 23, 2020, 06:11:07 PM
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/summer-break-new-homeland-security-research-shows-sunlight-humidity
oh oh. geeks/nerds hiding in air-conditioned basements are going to have problems...
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 23, 2020, 06:22:56 PM
https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/democratic-georgia-rep-vernon-jones-endorses-trump-for-reelection/ (https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/democratic-georgia-rep-vernon-jones-endorses-trump-for-reelection/)
Earlier this week he was going to resign his spot but now he is going to fight.
Post by: nudnik on April 23, 2020, 06:38:15 PM
This was an antibody test, indicating a cohort that already had the disease and survived. They should be compared to the cohorts that acquired the disease within the same time-frame and subsequently died. For those that die, from first symptoms to death is about 14 days.[1] Antibodies also do not appear till about 7 to 10 days after infection.[2] If you include deaths in the next 10 days, you must also include people who have been infected around the same period but have not yet developed antibodies (a presumably even larger number than 6000.)
You sir, are of course correct. You can directly compare currently reported deaths with currently reported anitbody tests because of the time for them to develop vs. time for death is approximately equivalent.
I've updated my post and redacted my initial comments, and drop by fatality rate estimate from 1% to 0.7%.
Post by: Rush on April 23, 2020, 06:54:34 PM
We have our own Uncle Tom here on Georgia
https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/democratic-georgia-rep-vernon-jones-endorses-trump-for-reelection/ (https://nypost.com/2020/04/14/democratic-georgia-rep-vernon-jones-endorses-trump-for-reelection/)
Earlier this week he was going to resign his spot but now he is going to fight.
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State Rep. Vernon Jones told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that he’s backing Trump, in part, due to the president’s handling of the economy and criminal justice reforms.
Thank you rep Jones! That was the subject of my snail mail to Trump.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 23, 2020, 07:31:07 PM
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Post by: Lucifer on April 24, 2020, 04:34:31 AM
https://clashdaily.com/2020/04/breaking-famous-doctor-leads-major-protest-in-this-big-city-and-sues-elected-official/
Post by: Lucifer on April 24, 2020, 04:42:41 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 24, 2020, 03:42:13 PM
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Are you enjoying your first taste of socialism? Life in America today is a sneak preview of life in Cuba or Venezuela. Democrats love it. This is the future they plan for you. The current economic catastrophe is exactly what America will look like if we institute “the Green New Deal.”
The goal is to defeat “climate change” by killing your job, taking your cars away, closing your business and turning America into Cuba, or Venezuela.
It’s a Progressive Democrat’s “rainy dream.”
And, isn’t it great? You don’t need to go to work. Money magically appears in your bank account. Hopefully you can live on $1,200 every six weeks for the rest of your life.
You get to spend long days watching daytime talk shows and movies on Netflix. You know, the things Democrats call a “typical day” for their voters.
And think of the money you’re saving on gas by not going anywhere. Soon, all those nasty, carbon-burning, polluting vehicles will be just a memory of the past. How wonderful will it be to have time to “just think” as you wait hours for those new energy-efficient buses and subways.
And, with all those nasty “non-essential” businesses closed, you’ll have plenty of time to converse with your neighbors, as you wait in line to see if anything is available for you to buy. It’s Socialist Nirvana.
So, please be honest with me, are you enjoying your small taste of life in a Socialist country? Are all these great benefits of socialism what you expected? Being told the business you spent your life building is “non-essential” and forced to close; being stuck at home not “allowed” to hold a job; having only the money your benevolent government decides you need; waiting in long lines at supermarkets for empty shelves; finding out toilet paper is now a valuable commodity; being told where you’re “allowed” to go; in some states (Michigan) banned from traveling to your own second home; not allowed to go to church; and having all your movements monitored and recorded.
Having fun yet? Welcome to a ”test drive” for Socialist America.
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Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 20, 2020, 04:50:13 PM
The Libertarian, Monica Perez, I listen to talks about chemtrails a lot, she calls it the government spraying. I try to ignore that partShe did a podcast with another podcaster from Atlanta. https://www.thepropreport.com/guest-appearance-rioting-locking-down-w-pete-quinones-of-free-man-beyond-the-wall/ He works near the CDC and early in this podcast talks about an encounter with a doctor from the CDC. Worth a listen.
Post by: Lucifer on July 23, 2020, 03:31:49 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/meal-new-rules-bars-restaurants-ca-ny-unbelievable/
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It is often easier to describe what does not constitute a bona fide meal. In that regard, while the statute excludes mere offerings of sandwiches and salad, the Department does recognize that many sandwiches and salads are substantial and can constitute legitimate meals. Once again, the Department looks at the totality of circumstances and generally considers that pre-packaged sandwiches and salads would not typically meet this standard. In addition, the Department will presume that the following, and offerings similar to them, do not meet the meal requirement:
Snacks such as pretzels, nuts, popcorn, pickles, and chips
Food ordinarily served as appetizers or first courses such as cheese sticks, fried calamari, chicken wings, pizza bites (as opposed to a pizza), egg rolls, pot stickers, flautas, cups of soup, and any small portion of a dish that may constitute a main course when it is not served in a full portion or when it is intended for sharing in small portions
Side dishes such as bread, rolls, French fries, onion rings, small salads (green, potato, macaroni, fruit), rice, mashed potatoes, and small portions of vegetables
Reheated refrigerated or frozen entrees
Desserts
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 23, 2020, 03:54:13 PM
As an aside, my my wife and I have dined in at a variety of different restaurants since the beginning of May:
Longhorn Steakhouse – Dublin, GA
IHOP – Dawsonville, GA
IHOP – Gainesville, GA
Texas Roadhouse – Gainesville, GA
Bibas – Flowery Branch, GA
Sun Garden Chinese – Dacula, GA
Cheesecake Factory – Buford, GA
Red Lobster – Buford, GA
Texas Roadhouse – Buford, GA
Cracker Barrel – Braselton, GA
Cracker Barrel – Suwanee, GA
Kajun Seafood & Bar – Athens, GA
Texas Roadhouse – Cumming, GA
California Dreaming – Greenville, SC
El Centinela – Braselton, GA
Stricklands Seafood – Paducah, KY
Olive Garden – Paducah, KY
Cracker Barrel – Paducah, KY
IHOP – Hopkinsville, TN
Post by: Anthony on July 23, 2020, 04:01:25 PM
My wife often orders an appetizer for her main meal. Government again sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in order to put more businesses out of business. Absolutely no regard for the losses.
As an aside, my my wife and I have dined in at a variety of different restaurants since the beginning of May:
Longhorn Steakhouse – Dublin, GA
IHOP – Dawsonville, GA
IHOP – Gainesville, GA
Texas Roadhouse – Gainesville, GA
Bibas – Flowery Branch, GA
Sun Garden Chinese – Dacula, GA
Cheesecake Factory – Buford, GA
Red Lobster – Buford, GA
Texas Roadhouse – Buford, GA
Cracker Barrel – Braselton, GA
Cracker Barrel – Suwanee, GA
Kajun Seafood & Bar – Athens, GA
Texas Roadhouse – Cumming, GA
California Dreaming – Greenville, SC
El Centinela – Braselton, GA
Stricklands Seafood – Paducah, KY
Olive Garden – Paducah, KY
Cracker Barrel – Paducah, KY
IHOP – Hopkinsville, TN
What the Hell were you doing in Paducah? I lived in Lexington, Kentucky for three and a half years and never got to Paducah. I did gas up the Tiger in Pikeville once. :)
Post by: Lucifer on July 23, 2020, 04:20:11 PM
My wife often orders an appetizer for her main meal. Government again sticking their nose where it doesn't belong in order to put more businesses out of business. Absolutely no regard for the losses.
The irony? This is what fascism actually is.
Post by: Lucifer on July 23, 2020, 05:28:20 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 23, 2020, 06:26:07 PM
What the Hell were you doing in Paducah? I lived in Lexington, Kentucky for three and a half years and never got to Paducah. I did gas up the Tiger in Pikeville once. :)
When my half-brother passed away at the end on May we had to drive to Illinois. Spent the night in Paducah on the way up and stopped there for dinner on the way back down south.
We did eat at a couple of restaurants in Illinois, but not dine-in, outdoors dining only.