Post by: jb1842 on April 21, 2020, 10:38:29 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 21, 2020, 10:48:24 AM
Post by: Anthony on April 21, 2020, 10:59:44 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 21, 2020, 11:14:03 AM
That said, prosecutions for refusals or partial replies appear to occur maybe once every few decades.
Post by: jb1842 on April 21, 2020, 11:21:12 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 21, 2020, 11:28:44 AM
You’re better off not replying to the census at all than answering one or some of the questions.Why is that?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 21, 2020, 11:32:12 AM
My dog ate mine.Ate your computer? ;D
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 21, 2020, 11:33:17 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 21, 2020, 11:52:12 AM
Why is that?
It was once the case that the penalty for not answering some questions was greater than not returning a census. But mostly it is because it is difficult for the census bureau to detect and then determine why there was no response.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 21, 2020, 11:58:47 AM
Post by: Rush on April 21, 2020, 12:21:53 PM
I responded online, wrote "American" for place of origin.
That’s right there were detailed questions about ethnicity, not just white, black, Hispanic or Asian, but what specific country were your ancestors from? I think I said, “none of your business.” What the hell do they need that for?
For the record I have DNA from nearly every Northern European country, and I was supposed to list “English, French, Scottish, Irish, Danish, Spanish, Hungarian, Polish, Estonian, Turkish, Italian, Swedish and a sizable chunk of Neanderthal.” What the fuck? None of your goddamn business, I’m an American citizen, period end of story, there should be no reason to tally race other than for discriminatory purposes.
Besides, go back far enough my ancestors were African just like everybody else. How about one race: human. I thought in this enlightened age we were supposed to be past all that and all one happy family.
Post by: TimRB on April 21, 2020, 01:13:37 PM
It was once the case that the penalty for not answering some questions was greater than not returning a census.
For the last two censuses (but not this one, thankfully) we got the "long form" questionaire. It asked all sorts of intrusive questions such as how many toilets you had, and how much credit card debt you carried. We never answered those questions, only giving the names and ages of the people living here.
Both times they eventually sent nice ladies to our house to get the missing answers, and both times we told them to pound sand (politely, since they really were nice ladies). We were told that the information was confidential. We were told that they needed it to figure out where to send federal money. We were told that we were required by law to answer. We always refused and nothing ever came of it.
This time I also answered "American" when they asked who the hell I think I am.
Tim
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 21, 2020, 01:21:57 PM
For the last two censuses (but not this one, thankfully) we got the "long form" questionaire. It asked all sorts of intrusive questions such as how many toilets you had, and how much credit card debt you carried. We never answered those questions, only giving the names and ages of the people living here.
Both times they eventually sent nice ladies to our house to get the missing answers, and both times we told them to pound sand (politely, since they really were nice ladies). We were told that the information was confidential. We were told that they needed it to figure out where to send federal money. We were told that we were required by law to answer. We always refused and nothing ever came of it.
This time I also answered "American" when they asked who the hell I think I am.
Tim
There’s an interim census that’s unbelievably invasive, including gun ownership, how far you drive to work, the thing about how many toilets, etc. We got that, too, and I just threw them all away. Nothing ever happened.
I suspect liberals are way more likely to give over personal information to their revered Fedgov than conservatives are. This brings up the interesting question of whether the data collected will be skewed. I prefer to think Big Bro will just know more about liberals than about me, and I’m fine with that.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 21, 2020, 01:34:40 PM
There’s an interim census that’s unbelievably invasive, including gun ownership, how far you drive to work, the thing about how many toilets, etc. We got that, too, and I just threw them all away. Nothing ever happened.
I suspect liberals are way more likely to give over personal information to their revered Fedgov than conservatives are. This brings up the interesting question of whether the data collected will be skewed. I prefer to think Big Bro will just know more about liberals than about me, and I’m fine with that.
That's this:
https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs
Post by: TimRB on April 21, 2020, 01:40:19 PM
There’s an interim census that’s unbelievably invasive, including gun ownership
Wow--Is the gun ownership stuff new? I don't recall ever seeing that sort of question on past censuses (but then there's a lot I don't recall). That would have sent me right over the edge. Like many gun owners, I'm very suspicious of a government that wants to know about my guns.
Tim
Edit: Oooh--"full member" now. I could have told them that a long time ago. <rimshot>
Post by: Rush on April 21, 2020, 01:44:56 PM
Wow--Is the gun ownership stuff new? I don't recall ever seeing that sort of question on past censuses (but then there's a lot I don't recall). That would have sent me right over the edge. Like many gun owners, I'm very suspicious of a government that wants to know about my guns.
Tim
Edit: Oooh--"full member" now. I could have told them that a long time ago. <rimshot>
Congratulations.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 21, 2020, 01:59:48 PM
Wow--Is the gun ownership stuff new? I don't recall ever seeing that sort of question on past censuses (but then there's a lot I don't recall). That would have sent me right over the edge.
It’s not the every-decade census, but it arrives looking very official and it is HUGE. I think they just threw everything in there that they wanted to know and hoped people would be sheep and answer.
Gun ownership is turning up more and more ... and the coronavirus situation is bringing it to the fore. An elderly friend got an offer from Medicare (yes, the federal agency) for a $150 rebate if she returned a questionnaire. She proceeded, but tossed it out when she came to “Are you a registered gun owner?”
Post by: Mase on April 21, 2020, 02:37:37 PM
I responded online, wrote "American" for place of origin.
Me too.
Post by: nddons on April 22, 2020, 10:02:55 AM
That’s right there were detailed questions about ethnicity, not just white, black, Hispanic or Asian, but what specific country were your ancestors from? I think I said, “none of your business.” What the hell do they need that for?I would NEVER share my DNA with Ancestry.com or 23 And Me, but I have a number of friends who have. Virtually all of them (who mostly have ancestry from northern, eastern and Southern Europe) have DNA from Northern Africa.
For the record I have DNA from nearly every Northern European country, and I was supposed to list “English, French, Scottish, Irish, Danish, Spanish, Hungarian, Polish, Estonian, Turkish, Italian, Swedish and a sizable chunk of Neanderthal.” What the fuck? None of your goddamn business, I’m an American citizen, period end of story, there should be no reason to tally race other than for discriminatory purposes.
Besides, go back far enough my ancestors were African just like everybody else. How about one race: human. I thought in this enlightened age we were supposed to be past all that and all one happy family.
Post by: nddons on April 22, 2020, 10:06:37 AM
Wow--Is the gun ownership stuff new? I don't recall ever seeing that sort of question on past censuses (but then there's a lot I don't recall). That would have sent me right over the edge. Like many gun owners, I'm very suspicious of a government that wants to know about my guns.Congrats. Your special gift is in the mail! Now fuck off.
Tim
Edit: Oooh--"full member" now. I could have told them that a long time ago. <rimshot>
Post by: Anthony on April 22, 2020, 10:09:26 AM
Congrats. Your special gift is in the mail! Now fuck off.
Now I'M offended!
;D
Post by: nddons on April 22, 2020, 10:09:34 AM
It’s not the every-decade census, but it arrives looking very official and it is HUGE. I think they just threw everything in there that they wanted to know and hoped people would be sheep and answer.That shows the idiocy and narrow view of swamp people who write these questions. In most of the US you are never a “registered gun owner.”
Gun ownership is turning up more and more ... and the coronavirus situation is bringing it to the fore. An elderly friend got an offer from Medicare (yes, the federal agency) for a $150 rebate if she returned a questionnaire. She proceeded, but tossed it out when she came to “Are you a registered gun owner?”
Post by: Anthony on April 22, 2020, 10:13:24 AM
That shows the idiocy and narrow view of swamp people who write these questions. In most of the US you are never a “registered gun owner.”
Very true. In my state it is ILLEGAL to have a gun registry, yet the PA State Police have one, but get away with it because they call it an "Incomplete List" because it does not capture the few private sales that happen for long guns (rifles and shotguns). ALL handguns must go through an FFL with a Federal Form 4473 which THEY get a copy of. So in effect they have a registry of all handguns and the vast majority of rifles and shotguns.
Criminals can do whatever they want as they do NOT follow gun laws, nor any other ones.
Post by: Rush on April 22, 2020, 11:07:10 AM
I would NEVER share my DNA with Ancestry.com or 23 And Me, but I have a number of friends who have. Virtually all of them (who mostly have ancestry from northern, eastern and Southern Europe) have DNA from Northern Africa.
I thought long and hard before I did it but concluded that the government is going to get my DNA anyway if it wants to, and I’ve been proven correct, there are cases of govt getting your DNA from medical pathology samples, a cup you put in the trash, and so on. I know, they needed a warrant, but that’s pretty meaningless because they get warrants for innocent people that aren’t even the suspect, such as your relatives. And for that matter, they can guess your DNA from those of your relatives who do submit it to those registries.
So I figured if the govt could get my DNA any time it wants, but I would not benefit from the data, I might as well go ahead and get access to all the data myself. Besides it finally proved that the guy that showed up when I was 30 claiming to be my long lost brother was indeed my brother. Kidding, we all knew he was because he so obviously looked like our family, but it was cool getting confirmation.
But I totally understand people who choose not to, I could easily have gone the other way myself.
Post by: Anthony on April 22, 2020, 11:11:31 AM
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