PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 07, 2020, 07:39:28 AM
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After two months, everyone knows to distance, be clean, respect stores and providers requesting us to mask, repect other measures by businesses if asked, and, most importantly, we know the risks and don’t want to get sick, die or kill or sicken others.
So.
What the fuck are any of us going to do differently NOW than we will do THEN ... after the petty tyrants release us in June or September or whenever?
The answer as I see it is NOTHING.
So open now.
Weaknesses in this argument?
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This just proves even more that none of this has anything to do with the supposed pandemic or virus.
Just like the creation of the TSA, it's all theater, and it's about more control.
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The Tyrants' argument is that the Virus is still in its early to mid stages. I heard a so called "expert" this weekend on a sports talk show that also doubles as a "public service" show saying we were just in the second or third inning of this thing. I thought WTF! No we aren't! These are just people that want to drag this out as long as possible to oust Trump but are using Public Health as the justification.
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The Tyrants' argument is that the Virus is still in its early to mid stages. I heard a so called "expert" this weekend on a sports talk show that also doubles as a "public service" show saying we were just in the second or third inning of this thing. I thought WTF! No we aren't! These are just people that want to drag this out as long as possible to oust Trump but are using Public Health as the justification.
This virus will be around for a long time to come. There is no magic vaccine about to happen. There are effective ways to treat it, but the progressives are fighting that.
Total bullshit that we can't return to normal until a vaccine is found. I'm sick and tired of fuckin' politicians and talking heads trying to advise everyone on subjects they know absolutely nothing about.
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After two months, everyone knows to distance, be clean, respect stores and providers requesting us to mask, repect other measures by businesses if asked, and, most importantly, we know the risks and don’t want to get sick, die or kill or sicken others.
So.
What the fuck are any of us going to do differently NOW than we will do THEN ... after the petty tyrants release us in June or September or whenever?
The answer as I see it is NOTHING.
So open now.
Weaknesses in this argument?
The new thing added here in taxachusetts is face coverings when stores and any business.
If this wasn't so serious, it would be completely hilarious that the face covering order "strongly discourages" use of medical-grade masks to meeet the requirements of the order. Instead we are to use any cloth, doesn't matter how useless it is with respect the ability to filter anything.
I've seen some of the probable things that will be required for reopening... and, yes, I'm at a loss to see anything that couldn't have been done 2 months ago.
Of course, I'd still like to see the science behind all this stuff.
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Of course, I'd still like to see the science behind all this stuff.
Science? From a leftist?
Remember these are the same people that claim "science" is behind man made climate change. These are the same people that think the Science Guy is a legitimate scientist., the same people that view OwlGore as a scientist.
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Science? From a leftist?
Remember these are the same people that claim "science" is behind man made climate change. These are the same people that think the Science Guy is a legitimate scientist., the same people that view OwlGore as a scientist.
Exactly. They will use flawed, or pseudo science as well as "Models" designed to give the outcomes they want. JUST LIKE with man made climate change when they told us the "Science was Settled" and the "Debate is Over". In fact Obama repeated that mantra. Well, I never heard of any science being "settled" and I never hear that we weren't ALLOWED to debate something. That pesky First Amendment.
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I'm sort of hopeful that we're seeing a culture change in America. That moving forward more folks will publicly use PPE and be more mindful of not spreading contagion. We loose lots of people from Influenza every year.
That said, I have little faith in people. I doubt anyone will learn anything and everything will go back to the way it was.
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I'm sort of hopeful that we're seeing a culture change in America. That moving forward more folks will publicly use PPE and be more mindful of not spreading contagion. We loose lots of people from Influenza every year.
That said, I have little faith in people. I doubt anyone will learn anything and everything will go back to the way it was.
It would be one thing if people did stuff based on science but so much of this is made up bullshit. Like the one way aisles at the store. Show me the scientific study that proves I am less likely to get the virus if I walk down the ice cream aisle east to west than if I walk west to east.
The other thing that bothers me is whether avoiding germs is actually in our best interest as a species, and even as individuals. Don’t we need continuous exposure to pathogens for our immune system to remain strong?
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THIS!
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It would be one thing if people did stuff based on science but so much of this is made up bullshit. Like the one way aisles at the store. Show me the scientific study that proves I am less likely to get the virus if I walk down the ice cream aisle east to west than if I walk west to east.
The other thing that bothers me is whether avoiding germs is actually in our best interest as a species, and even as individuals. Don’t we need continuous exposure to pathogens for our immune system to remain strong?
To be fair, the one-way aisle is [edit: intended] to promote social distancing. However, I don't know why that is necessary since everyone is required to wear a face covering in supermarkets now and to try to maintain at least 6' from other shoppers. I guess the people who believe one-way aisles have value also believe that face coverings are useless.
And speaking of scientific study, where is the one that shows the protection provided by a bandana (especially one that has been saturated with moisture from your breath)?
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To be fair, the one-way aisle is to promote social distancing.
Yeah, it's SUPPOSED TO, but it doesn't. It might if everyone went up and down every isle, but that is not the case, especially now that men are doing more and more shopping. And also now that more and more people are shunning boxed, canned prepared foods, which are all up and down the isles, and buying more and more fresh meats and vegetables, which are almost always on the side walls where there are no one-way markers..
As Rush said, show me any sort of study that back the theory up and I might change my mind, or I will continue to consider it another case of "we have to so something, anything, even if it's stupid or wrong".
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Yeah, it's SUPPOSED TO, but it doesn't. It might if everyone went up and down every isle, but that is not the case, especially now that men are doing more and more shopping. And also now that more and more people are shunning boxed, canned prepared foods, which are all up and down the isles, and buying more and more fresh meats and vegetables, which are almost always on the side walls where there are no one-way markers..
As Rush said, show me any sort of study that back the theory up and I might change my mind, or I will continue to consider it another case of "we have to so something, anything, even if it's stupid or wrong".
Don't get me wrong. The one-way aisle is monumentally useless. Even more useless than requiring a face covering like a bandana.
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Went to our rural WalMart this morning. At least half the patrons were not wearing masks. I opted for my N95 mask. I tried a paper mask earlier, and when I can smell a smoker down the isle, I know that I need something more substantial. I need something that can protect ME! All those without masks should be put in full hazmat suits to the public. Lots of sanitizer and lots of washing. Couldn't get out there fast enough. Maybe iit's time to thin the herd. We do what we do to keep ourselves safe. Just what is in the minds of the protected herd?
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I’m not a part of the mask crowd. Sorry, at this point it’s absolute bullshit.
For those who could be compromised, sure, wear a mask and limit yourself to exposure. And those who want the supposed security that they think a mask offers, knock yourself out.
Quarantine means protecting and isolating the sick and compromised. For those who are healthy it’s not quarantine, it’s imprisonment.
Mask orders are not constitutional. If a private business wants to require mask, that’s their business.
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Where is the science that shows wearing a mask at Walmart decreases your chance of getting or giving the virus?
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Where is the science that shows wearing a mask at Walmart decreases your chance of getting or giving the virus?
None. Zilch. Just bureaucrats producing security theater.
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I agree with you. Masks, for the most part, are all theater and a demonstration that the political class can make you do whatever they want. However, my wife is in a very high risk group. While I can probably shrug off the virus, I would really hate to bring it home to her. So I mask up and bathe in sanitizer in an excess of caution. A paper mask will do nothing. I use the N95 which filters pretty well. Especially when in close proximity with the unwashed (literally) masses at WalMart. Keep 6 feet apart? I'm normally WAY farther than that from people anyway.
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I agree with you. Masks, for the most part, are all theater and a demonstration that the political class can make you do whatever they want. However, my wife is in a very high risk group. While I can probably shrug off the virus, I would really hate to bring it home to her. So I mask up and bathe in sanitizer in an excess of caution. A paper mask will do nothing. I use the N95 which filters pretty well. Especially when in close proximity with the unwashed (literally) masses at WalMart. Keep 6 feet apart? I'm normally WAY farther than that from people anyway.
I can agree with that. If a mask does anything, an N95 is more likely to help than using a scarf, and if I lived with a high risk person I'd probably do all those things too, just to be on the safe side.
It also depends on where you live. Were I in NYC I might do those things out of an abundance of caution. Here in SE Texas where we have had exactly 1 death so far, and I know absolutely no one who has gotten the virus, I feel wearing a mask is silly, useless, and it actually makes me feel claustrophobic, so I'm not doing it.
We shouldn't have a one size fits all approach to this, it was perhaps the biggest mistake of all, shutting down every county in the U.S. when only a half dozen are responsible for the majority of cases.
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A few weeks ago I was much less careful. The county had a dozen or so cases and three deaths of people with some serious underlying conditions. But now the weather is warmer and we're getting a huge influx of vacationers from Chicago and Milwaukee, each hotspots. We asked them nicely to stay away, but no. They had to come up and bring their big city diseases with them. Yes, local businesses rely on tourists to stay in business, and the few months of summer sustain them the rest of the year. I get that. Now while I would trust locals, these out-of-towners are another story. So go do your thing, visitors. Just stay away from me.
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A few weeks ago I was much less careful. The county had a dozen or so cases and three deaths of people with some serious underlying conditions. But now the weather is warmer and we're getting a huge influx of vacationers from Chicago and Milwaukee, each hotspots. We asked them nicely to stay away, but no. They had to come up and bring their big city diseases with them. Yes, local businesses rely on tourists to stay in business, and the few months of summer sustain them the rest of the year. I get that. Now while I would trust locals, these out-of-towners are another story. So go do your thing, visitors. Just stay away from me.
I think people are too afraid at this point if they do NOT have "underlying conditions" or elderly.
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Where is the science that shows wearing a mask at Walmart decreases your chance of getting or giving the virus?
The same study that shows Walmart is safe but the small local retail places are not.
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The same study that shows Walmart is safe but the small local retail places are not.
Ironic isn't it? This entire shutdown is a FARCE.
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...and I know absolutely no one who has gotten the virus, ...
I'm in taxachusetts...one of the nation's hotspots, in the country with the most cases (thank you Biogen).
I know one person whose wife and adult daughter have the virus (anytime anyone in that household gets a cold, shazam, they all get it). Otherwise, I don't know anyone who has it.
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About all the cases you hear about in my county are from those living in old folks homes or people who work there or in another medical facility.
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About all the cases you hear about in my county are from those living in old folks homes or people who work there or in another medical facility.
The one death in our county was an 80 something year old lady. The closest I know of anyone who has it is my husband’s boss has a cousin in Detroit who got it and went to a family gathering where he gave it to everyone else there, about 8 people, so it does appear to be highly contagious, but they all recovered. And another coworker of my husband’s has a niece who lives in another county who was a student in high school, her teacher got it and actually died, but as far as I know the students haven’t gotten sick and my husband’s coworker hasn’t even seen that niece recently.
It’s possible things could change, but so far, for us and for >90% of the land mass of the U.S. this is a big nothing burger. Yet we are acting like an asteroid is about to hit our planet. Nothing less than that should justify the destruction we’re inflicting on ourselves.
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Hey, the CDC is now promoting "vote by mail"...........
Naw, nothing political about the CDC......move along, nothing to see here.........
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/cdc-recommends-mail-methods-voting-due-coronavirus-contradicting-trumps
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The one death in our county was an 80 something year old lady. The closest I know of anyone who has it is my husband’s boss has a cousin in Detroit who got it and went to a family gathering where he gave it to everyone else there, about 8 people, so it does appear to be highly contagious, but they all recovered. And another coworker of my husband’s has a niece who lives in another county who was a student in high school, her teacher got it and actually died, but as far as I know the students haven’t gotten sick and my husband’s coworker hasn’t even seen that niece recently.
It’s possible things could change, but so far, for us and for >90% of the land mass of the U.S. this is a big nothing burger. Yet we are acting like an asteroid is about to hit our planet. Nothing less than that should justify the destruction we’re inflicting on ourselves.
The Media and Government have scared many people into thinking the Zombie Apocalypse is upon us simultaneous to an Alien Invasion, and the Andromeda Strain has been released with Zombie Hitler leading the way. It is beyond stupid and ridiculous and shows us how bad a shape our society is right now. Pathetic LEMMINGS.
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https://disrn.com/news/nate-silver-basic-error-on-coronavirus-stories-expose-medias-true-intentions
In a string of tweets Thursday morning, FiveThirtyEight editor Nate Silver said the mainstream media is not providing the necessary context to stories concerning the rise of coronavirus cases, calling it a "basic error" that exposes the media's true intentions to prioritize information that "sounds smart" over truth and accuracy.
Silver expressed his frustration with media outlets that fail to mention that the increase in coronavirus infections is a result of additional testing.
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what? more testing means more cases were discovered?
who could have seen that coming?
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https://disrn.com/news/nate-silver-basic-error-on-coronavirus-stories-expose-medias-true-intentions
That is EXTREMELY relevant. SHAME on the media!
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That is EXTREMELY relevant. SHAME on the media!
Yes it is and it makes a lot of sense.
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That is EXTREMELY relevant. SHAME on the media!
They have an agenda, and a narrative that must be pushed. The main stream media is fake news, and nothing but the propaganda arm of the DNC and the progressive left.
The day after DeSantis opened the beaches in Florida, the headlines were "Governor opens beaches and Covid19 death rate escalates!"
How fuckin' stupid. But yet the low information types will gobble that up.
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Dr J Barke's video...
It would have been nice to see the crowd...
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A long time friend wrote this on FB....
This is not a copy paste. This is me. I have thought long and hard about this post and decided that it is time. I need you to unfriend me. Hopefully not all of you, but some of you that I've listed below. I have been at a point of near despair in the last several weeks. Not because of a virus. Not because of disagreement on how to best respond to it. But because of the sheer lack of humanity and decency in the postings of my “friends”. Today I have begun to see a small, quiet pushback against this type of mindset and it has encouraged me a tiny bit. This is NOT a political post. I do not see natural disasters and humanitarian crises through a political lens so do not read that into this post. I have no delusion that anything I say here will affect behavior or thought in any way. I lost that early on in this pandemic, hence the despair. There is no more reason, no logic, no ability to distinguish fact from agenda and reality from desired storyline anymore. I truly believe our society has been fundamentally changed and will not recover in my lifetime. I have grieved deeply the loss of the people I am asking to unfriend me, but I realize that I lost you as true friends some time ago without knowing it. I have grieved the view into the hearts of people that I did not want to see. But I am tired of grieving. It’s time to move forward. I will not entertain debate here. I will delete it. So, please unfriend me if:
1) You are able to look into the eyes of 75,000 (and growing) families in the U.S. who have buried loved ones in the past 10 weeks due to this virus and claim it is overblown or a hoax. I cannot call myself your friend.
2) You can spit in the face of my friends who are in the healthcare field who are fighting this nightmare every day by claiming it does not exist or is being exaggerated. They have held the hand of a dying person who takes his last breath with no one else there. They have called the widow to tell her he is gone and heard a depth of anguish you will never know. They have lived apart from their own families because they know what it is like to die of this disease. Yet you, safe in your seclusion, can’t see it.
3) You can glibly spout out, “Only the (insert here whichever class of human you find expendable) will die. We should go about our business as usual.” I now have 4 friends, 4 actual friends, not acquaintances or names on facebook, who are mourning loved ones that they didn’t get to say goodbye to and can’t even hold a funeral for. I haven’t asked them specifically, but my strong hunch is that they didn’t consider them expendable. In one case, as the wife left her husband at the emergency room, he said to her, “This may be the last time I ever see you.” It was. After you unfriend me, please explain to her why that was no big deal.
4) You have told me that as long as the elderly and pre-existing health condition people are isolated, the rest of us shouldn’t alter our lives at all. I haven’t seen my father or my 94 year old aunt who is like a grandmother to me in months. I live with the knowledge that someone who works in my father’s assisted living home may be going home at night to a moron with that line of thinking and then bringing it into work the next day, playing Russian roulette with my father’s life.
5) You love to tell me how low the statistical chance is that anyone would die of it, regardless of the magnitude of difference with mortality rates of normal diseases. I personally know a family who lost a healthy toddler to the regular flu years ago and that probability was nearly negligible. My guess is they don’t give a rat’s ass how low the probability was that he would die. And neither will you if it’s your loved one.
6) You post all over social media every Sunday that you are # inchurch! yet find yourself desperately needing to be a victim so badly that you’re screaming in paranoia about lists of who attends church because you can’t distinguish between actual persecution and contact tracing, which is one of the only ways we will ever get back to some semblance of normal. What a horrible insult to those who really are persecuted every single day.
7) If you scream about your right to do what you want, go where you want, wear or not wear what you want, and risk what you want even though it puts other people at risk, without understanding that your rights end where they take away someone else’s right to life. Right to life. Hmmm. Ponder that line of thought for a minute. It’s my body. It’s my decision. It’s my right. You can’t tell me what to do. Never has flown for you before, has it? And before I’m attacked, I am anti-abortion. Read that sentence again. I just can’t handle the hypocrisy. I also cannot find one place in the Bible where the emphasis is on MY rights over care for my fellow human.
8) If you can’t stop yourself from posting lies that you do not check out. If your compulsion to share something that sounds like your mindset is greater than your care about truth, I just can’t anymore. You’re literally bearing false witness on a daily basis. It is not hard to fact check. And just because it doesn’t support your preconceived notions does not make it false.
9) If you keep a post of Plandemic on your page. I’m sorry. That was my straw. It keeps being taken off of YouTube not because of censorship, but because it has attracted a class of subhuman along with their threats and rantings that you do not want to be associated with. Its pusher is a discredited, disgraced antivaxxer scientist. The statements in the “documentary” are half sentences spliced together to lead the watcher to a false conclusion. Every single thing in there is fact checkable. So many of you posted it with the words “If this is true…” I can’t stay friends with that level of dishonesty. Because what will you tell me to my face knowing in your own mind and heart that it’s only possibly true?
10) If everything in life is political, directed at you or your chosen one, by “those people” who conveniently keep changing to suit the crisis of the week, to the point that it leaves you no ability to even care what is happening to human beings who are suffering and dying. If nothing can be seen outside the lens of conspiracy, victimization, and paranoia. If you hide behind a holy façade while posting things that are so hateful and vulgar that you literally could not read them out loud in Sunday school, please, unfriend me.
Just as I have gone most days during this isolated time without makeup or nicely styled hair, so I’m doing away with pretense here. This is me. I’ll see some of you in person when this is over. If you don’t speak, I totally understand. I’m burning things down on purpose. But it’s time to see what rises from the ashes.
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what? more testing means more cases were discovered?
who could have seen that coming?
In the county I live in, the local Federal Prison has been a hotbed of Coronavirus. So they decided to test everybody. BOOM! The positive count skyrocketed to over 600!
The good news is that most of the positives show little or nothing in the way of symptoms.
Dave
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In the county I live in, the local Federal Prison has been a hotbed of Coronavirus. So they decided to test everybody. BOOM! The positive count skyrocketed to over 600!
The good news is that most of the positives show little or nothing in the way of symptoms.
Dave
Minnesota did something similar when there was an outbreak at a pork processing plant.
Shocking to see cases go up.
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A long time friend wrote this on FB....
I could write the exact same thing in reverse, about the harm and deaths caused by the shutdown and more importantly will be caused by the millions if we continue this bullshit. People are unfriending each other over this?
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A long time friend wrote this on FB....
We’ve become a nation of pussies.
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Where is the science that shows wearing a mask at Walmart decreases your chance of getting or giving the virus?
Published online 2008 Jul 9. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0002618
PMCID: PMC2440799
PMID: 18612429
Professional and Home-Made Face Masks Reduce Exposure to Respiratory Infections among the General Population
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/)
“Methodology
We assessed transmission reduction potential provided by personal respirators, surgical masks and home-made masks when worn during a variety of activities by healthy volunteers and a simulated patient.
Principal Findings
All types of masks reduced aerosol exposure, relatively stable over time, unaffected by duration of wear or type of activity, but with a high degree of individual variation. Personal respirators were more efficient than surgical masks, which were more efficient than home-made masks. Regardless of mask type, children were less well protected. Outward protection (mask wearing by a mechanical head) was less effective than inward protection (mask wearing by healthy volunteers).
Conclusions/Significance
Any type of general mask use is likely to decrease viral exposure and infection risk on a population level, in spite of imperfect fit and imperfect adherence, personal respirators providing most protection. Masks worn by patients may not offer as great a degree of protection against aerosol transmission.”
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Eppy, your friend needs to ponder this for a good long time.
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Interesting how the leftist are so triggered over the Plandemic video.
But then again, the leftist are still convinced of Russian Collusion.
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Published online 2008 Jul 9. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0002618
PMCID: PMC2440799
PMID: 18612429
Professional and Home-Made Face Masks Reduce Exposure to Respiratory Infections among the General Population
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/)
But then there is this later paper (and more even later - and now some new ones submitted in response to mask effectiveness for Covid-19):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22188875 (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22188875)
Influenza Other Respir Viruses. 2012 Jul;6(4):257-67. doi: 10.1111/j.1750-2659.2011.00307.x. Epub 2011 Dec 21.
The use of masks and respirators to prevent transmission of influenza: a systematic review of the scientific evidence.
Quoting only the last sentences in the abstract:
“None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection. Some evidence suggests that mask use is best undertaken as part of a package of personal protection especially hand hygiene. The effectiveness of masks and respirators is likely linked to early, consistent and correct usage.”
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About masks, they leave the eyes totally unprotected. Viruses can enter as aerosol through the eyes.
People who wear masks fidget with them constantly, using unwashed hands upon their faces.
People can’t hear or understand you through your mask, so you’re pulling it up or down when you need to speak to someone. Hands on face.
If not properly cleaned, contamination is reintroduced. Homemade masks look the same on both sides. You took it off in the car and need to put it on again to go into another store. Which side did you have out?
Masks are hot and uncomfortable, more so in hot weather. After about 20 minutes the elastic, no matter how gentle, begins to pull at your ears, causing a headache.
I suspect effectiveness of masks is tested without taking these factors into consideration.
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Right, the studies may show a reduction in aerosol droplets but no proof of actual reduction in transmitting the disease. Nothing about the concentration of droplets needed to transmit the disease or the fact that people rub their eyes, and a whole bunch of other confounding factors.
I read somewhere that the greatest amount of transmission occurs between people who live or work together or otherwise are in close contact for long periods of time. There is zero evidence that have a mask on will do a thing about the stranger you walk past in the supermarket.
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A long time friend wrote this on FB....
I wonder if your long time friend has the same concern for the families of the tens of thousands of people that die every year from the flu and from pneumonia.
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How about the 7,000 veterans that take their lives each year? How about the veterans that die waiting to get medical treatment?
Yep, no tears shed there.
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How about the 7,000 veterans that take their lives each year? How about the veterans that die waiting to get medical treatment?
Yep, no tears shed there.
There are more risks to life that never get politicized, nor PROMOTED BY THE MEDIA. They only promote things that can advance the Far Left Agenda to insert more Big Government control and dependence. Wake up people! (Not the ones here, I know you're all "WOKE") ;D
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The media and their handlers have tried for 3 years to get blood on Trump's hands. Remember the times they tried to push Trump into a war? They tried to push Trump into a war with Syria, then with Iran. Why? So they could go 24/7 and scream about every single death and blame it on Trump. It never happened.
Now the media is using the virus. From here to November, every single covid death, whether from the actual virus or remotely associated with it, will be blamed on Trump. The ads have already started.
The progressives don't give one shit about these people, they are just collateral damage in their war to take down Trump.
And folks, people die every single day. Yes, life is full of risk. Notice the progressives start foaming at the mouth over covid19 deaths, yet have no problem supporting the murder of 800,000 babies each year. And even today they support infanticide. Explain that one.
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I wonder if your long time friend has the same concern for the families of the tens of thousands of people that die every year from the flu and from pneumonia.
Nope, I think she is most scared of losing her Dad. He's a home. I do not know his condition, but wonder why she could not temporarily take him in and have nursing care come to her home.
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We’re all a little scared right now. My mom is 92, still in her own home thank God, but I haven’t hugged her for two months as I’m the grocery store runner for our two households.
I hope you posted my Venn diagram to your friend. I’m enjoying flinging it about far and wide.
Her post is chockablock with all the liberal leaps and tropes designed to make “someone else” (Republicans) evil, and her tribe (liberals) the shining knights of virtue. Her post could easily be dismantled, because all it does is try to crush any dissenting opinion or thought and paint such thought incorrectly as heartless.
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To me this is an exercise and study of the management and mitigation of risk. We make these decisions every day. We decide to leave our homes, drive, fly small airplanes, ride motorcycles, do zip lines, fly on the airlines, sky dive, scuba dive, and live our day to day lives forced to be UNARMED AT WORK in our office buildings. At what point do we accept risk, or decide "it's just not worth it"? Do we allow the Media to make our decision for us, or do we do our own risk assessment?
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We’re all a little scared right now. My mom is 92, still in her own home thank God, but I haven’t hugged her for two months as I’m the grocery store runner for our two households.
I hope you posted my Venn diagram to your friend. I’m enjoying flinging it about far and wide.
Her post is chockablock with all the liberal leaps and tropes designed to make “someone else” (Republicans) evil, and her tribe (liberals) the shining knights of virtue. Her post could easily be dismantled, because all it does is try to crush any dissenting opinion or thought and paint such thought incorrectly as heartless.
Interesting thing is, she's not a Liberal although this thing seems to have brought out a bit of liberal lying under the surface.
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Interesting thing is, she's not a Liberal although this thing seems to have brought out a bit of liberal lying under the surface.
My neighbor has got to be a hard core conservative and Trump supporter, most people around here are, yet she feels that way about the virus. Part of it is the female tendency to want security at all costs combined with the relentless propaganda about how dangerous the virus is. People aren’t being given the facts, such as how low the death rate really is. A coworker of mine also feels the same way, she is female, a Republican, rose to Colonel in the Army for God’s sake. In all other ways has “balls” but a total pussy when it comes to this virus. It’s unreal.
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My neighbor has got to be a hard core conservative and Trump supporter, most people around here are, yet she feels that way about the virus. Part of it is the female tendency to want security at all costs combined with the relentless propaganda about how dangerous the virus is. People aren’t being given the facts, such as how low the death rate really is. A coworker of mine also feels the same way, she is female, a Republican, rose to Colonel in the Army for God’s sake. In all other ways has “balls” but a total pussy when it comes to this virus. It’s unreal.
I see that a lot, but I just thought it was my Male Chauvinist Pig BIAS (remember that term?). I guess I'm just a Sexist, MISOGYNIST now. :)
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Nope, I think she is most scared of losing her Dad. He's a home. I do not know his condition, but wonder why she could not temporarily take him in and have nursing care come to her home.
10 years ago my Mom was in an Alzheimer's unit. If this COVID-19 panic had occurred while my mother was alive, there would have been a *ahem* conflict. I needed to go to the facility regularly in order to manage her medications and I was also a calming influence. I'm absolutely certain the facility manager would have insisted that I be allowed to participate in my mother's care. I suppose technically I could have been considered part of her care team rather than a visitor. If control freaks did try to prevent me from entering the facility, we would have pulled Mom out and brought her back home.
wrt to your friend and her dad, one problem might be the expense of bringing in people to help take care of him. As expensive as a nursing home is, in home care is much much more expensive.
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Interesting thing is, she's not a Liberal although this thing seems to have brought out a bit of liberal lying under the surface.
In the 1930’s many Germans didn’t identify as Nazi, and even into WW2. But many also followed the ideology because of such a strong propaganda network.
Same here. She’s drinking the Kool Aid, and fear is motivating her.
This is exactly what the progressives want.
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My neighbor has got to be a hard core conservative and Trump supporter, most people around here are, yet she feels that way about the virus. Part of it is the female tendency to want security at all costs combined with the relentless propaganda about how dangerous the virus is. People aren’t being given the facts, such as how low the death rate really is. A coworker of mine also feels the same way, she is female, a Republican, rose to Colonel in the Army for God’s sake. In all other ways has “balls” but a total pussy when it comes to this virus. It’s unreal.
I hate the virus too, a dear friend in the Seattle area lost her husband to it, and I’m fully aware of and have absorbed a myriad of opinions, statistics and observations about it.
Perhaps I’m not a typical female, but I have zero “tendency to want security at all costs.” I’m more concerned with making the best decisions we can with all the facts at our disposal, and not living life in fear.
My husband has gone flying this morning. Every day we wake up to the possibility that one of us or one of our loved ones will have a sore throat, a cough ... and it would begin. Regardless of this particular virus, there literally are countless ways we can die suddenly or slowly.
The important thing is not to go gently!!!!!
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I hate the virus too, a dear friend in the Seattle area lost her husband to it,
How old was he, and did he have any other health problems? Sorry for her and your loss. :(
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He was in his 70s, and his only health issue was asthma. He spent a month in the hospital, it was looking good because his fever broke, then the ventilator was removed and the doctors were unable to get him to breathe on his own.
My friend could not, of course, go to the hospital to be with him. She herself had to quarantine because she’d been caring for him.
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He was in his 70s, and his only health issue was asthma. He spent a month in the hospital, it was looking good because his fever broke, then the ventilator was removed and the doctors were unable to get him to breathe on his own.
My friend could not, of course, go to the hospital to be with him. She herself had to quarantine because she’d been caring for him.
That's terrible!!! :(
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He was in his 70s, and his only health issue was asthma. He spent a month in the hospital, it was looking good because his fever broke, then the ventilator was removed and the doctors were unable to get him to breathe on his own.
My friend could not, of course, go to the hospital to be with him. She herself had to quarantine because she’d been caring for him.
I've seen plenty of articles on this exact thing. When the ventilator is removed people are afraid to breathe on their own because they feel they will not be able to. This whole ventilator things is killing people.
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In the 1930’s many Germans didn’t identify as Nazi, and even into WW2. But many also followed the ideology because of such a strong propaganda network.
Same here. She’s drinking the Kool Aid, and fear is motivating her.
This is exactly what the progressives want.
A very strong propaganda network, but also terrible consequences for not following the party line. Step out of line and it's off to the camps with you. Many only appeared to follow the ideology because the alternative was death.
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Published online 2008 Jul 9. doi: 10.1371/journal.pone.0002618
PMCID: PMC2440799
PMID: 18612429
Professional and Home-Made Face Masks Reduce Exposure to Respiratory Infections among the General Population
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2440799/)
“Methodology
We assessed transmission reduction potential provided by personal respirators, surgical masks and home-made masks when worn during a variety of activities by healthy volunteers and a simulated patient.
Principal Findings
All types of masks reduced aerosol exposure, relatively stable over time, unaffected by duration of wear or type of activity, but with a high degree of individual variation. Personal respirators were more efficient than surgical masks, which were more efficient than home-made masks. Regardless of mask type, children were less well protected. Outward protection (mask wearing by a mechanical head) was less effective than inward protection (mask wearing by healthy volunteers).
Conclusions/Significance
Any type of general mask use is likely to decrease viral exposure and infection risk on a population level, in spite of imperfect fit and imperfect adherence, personal respirators providing most protection. Masks worn by patients may not offer as great a degree of protection against aerosol transmission.”
Not to critize, but other parts of the study are probably of more interest and use
One conclusion that might be possible from my summary of the extracts below: Compared to real masks (e.g., N95 and surgical masks) face coverings provide very little protection against outward transmission of droplets that could contain viruses. However, that (very slight) protection that is provided might be just enough to help.
Short term inward protection experiment
All masks provided protection against transmission by reducing exposure during all types of activities...Surgical masks provided about twice as much protection as home made masks... FFP2 masks provided adults with about 50 times as much protection as home made masks, and 25 times as much protection as surgical masks. The increase in protection for children was less marked, about 10 times as much protection by FFP2 versus home-made masks and 6 times as much protection as surgical masks...
Long term inward protection experiment
As in the short term experiment, protection conferred by surgical masks was higher than protection given by a home-made mask, and protection provided by a FFP2 masks was again markedly higher than protection provided by a surgical mask. As in the short term experiment, more strenuous activities (reading and walking) tended to increase the protection of the home-made mask and to a lesser extent of the surgical mask, and decreased the protection by the FFP2 mask, but there was no overall significant effect of type of activity on PF (ANOVA p = 0.1).
Discussion
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All types of masks provided a much higher degree of exposure protection against inward transmission of particles, then in preventing outward transmission by a mechanical head as a proxy for an infected patient exposing the environment.
It is also clear that home-made masks such as teacloths may still confer a significant degree of protection, albeit less strong than surgical masks or FFP2 masks. Home made masks however would not suffer from limited supplies, and would not need additional resources to provide at large scale. Home made masks, and to a lesser degree surgical masks, are unlikely to confer much protection against transmission of small particles like droplet nuclei, but as the reproduction number of influenza may not be very high [14] a small reduction in transmissibility of the virus may be sufficient for reducing the reproduction number to a value smaller than 1 and thus extinguishing the epidemic [15].
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Not to critize, but other parts of the study are probably of more interest and use
Glad you quoted that section.
When Rush asked “Where is the science that shows wearing a mask at Walmart decreases your chance of getting or giving the virus?” I thought it was a reasonable question that might actually have been studied, so I did a quick search on Google scholar (can’t remember the search words I used, alas.) That particular study was the closest I could find that seemed to address the question and it was done prior to Covid-19, so seemed less likely to suffer confirmation bias.
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A very strong propaganda network, but also terrible consequences for not following the party line. Step out of line and it's off to the camps with you. Many only appeared to follow the ideology because the alternative was death.
Exactly. My BIL is a German, and his father served on the Eastern Front. If you were asked if you supported the Nazi Party, the answer had to be yes, it was not optional.
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Exactly. My BIL is a German, and his father served on the Eastern Front. If you were asked if you supported the Nazi Party, the answer had to be yes, it was not optional.
Yeah, but the Eastern Front still wasn't as bad as facing Rush's Six Foot Fecal Spray! :o
I am forever mentally scarred.
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Exactly. My BIL is a German, and his father served on the Eastern Front. If you were asked if you supported the Nazi Party, the answer had to be yes, it was not optional.
It’s coming to that here, now. Tow the party line or you’re canceled. Roseann Barr, Sarah Silverman. Hell, it’s been happening at universities since the 60s. I’ve posted that letter to my father from a professor forced out of (redacted) University because he wasn’t a political leftist, when the neo-Marxists, excuse me, “post modernists” took over his department.
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It’s coming to that here, now. Tow the party line or you’re canceled. Roseann Barr, Sarah Silverman. Hell, it’s been happening at universities since the 60s. I’ve posted that letter to my father from a professor forced out of (redacted) University because he wasn’t a political leftist, when the neo-Marxists, excuse me, “post modernists” took over his department.
We've talked about this before. There is tremendous societal pressure to believe and speak only Leftist, Progressive ideology from the Media, Entertainment, Social Media, Tech, Education, Heath, Government AND Corporate America. What's left? The NRA and Breitbart? Maybe a few Republicans?
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We've talked about this before. There is tremendous societal pressure to believe and speak only Leftist, Progressive ideology from the Media, Entertainment, Social Media, Tech, Education, Heath, Government AND Corporate America. What's left? The NRA and Breitbart? Maybe a few Republicans?
Republicans were already targeted by the IRS. We are witnessing the beginnings of persecution that could escalate. Prior to WWII persecution of the Jews began with such minor things.
As you relentlessly portray a group as “bad” (racist, sexist, xenophobic, transphobic, etc.) AND you relentlessly assign blame to them for all society’s ills, you condition the rest to believe they must be marginalized, disempowered and eventually eradicated (in order to “save” civilization).
What happened with the Jews? They were hated because they were prosperous, wealthier and more successful (ignoring that most weren’t) and they were blamed for bad things even as far back as the Black Death. (Much earlier than that really.) But in early twentieth century Europe they were hated because they had isolated themselves, married only within their community, and developed their own subculture and hence triggered the human instinct to be loyal to ones own group and suspect groups that are too “different”.
This looks familiar as the ideological divide is accompanied by a growing cultural divide. Cultural markers are becoming more and more divergent. One side sits in Internet cafes sipping lattes while the other hunts, fishes and listens to country music. There is less and less overlap. As the groups grow farther apart they become ever more suspicious of each other, and the one in power feels threatened by the other’s very existence, and so the beginnings of persecution.
There are multiple layers of this. Straight white males are one such group, conservatives another, rural another, and the “dirty” working class yet another. On the other side are urban pseudo intellectuals, government employees, educators, illegal immigrants and racial minorities. They are “accepted” although there’s an understood distinction between those upper class, wealthy and in power and those underclass whose votes are taken for granted so they won’t be targeted for persecution, only allowed to be kept in poverty. (Pelosi vs the homeless in her district.) But in rhetoric they are part of the “in group” (friends of The State), and the conservatives, SWMs, rural rednecks and anyone supporting Trump now the enemy of The State, a threat to be neutralized.
We are now seeing the beginnings of that process, and history has shown that it escalates, grows ever more focused, purposeful, effective, cruel and justified with ever more outrageous lies, brainwashing the people that this group that is “them, not us” is evil and must be eradicated. We are already seeing it in the realm of information with the scrubbing of any opposing ideas on the internet and in media. We are seeing a start of real persecution in Michael Flynn, Roger Stone and others. Reputation destruction, livelihood and financial destruction, and for that matter, it’s already begun en masse with the destruction of entrepreneurship in this shutdown (a report just came out estimating 50% of small businesses will not recover from the shutdown and be closed permanently.)
Capitalism is another “evil” feature of the targeted group, just as it was with the Jews, who worked hard to earn wealth and prosper by being involved with capital financing (one of the things they were hated for).
Just like the National Socialist Party (NAZI - literally, that’s what NAZI is: an acronym involving “socialist”), the current group carrying out these attacks hate capitalism and despise individualism.
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^^^^^Wow. Agree with all of it. Very well said, and also very scary because I believe it is ALL TRUE, but the Left calls it tinfoil hat material. >:( So yes, they call us crazy and out of touch and out of control. We are over lapping less and less. Watch old TV shows or movies. Hunting, fishing, having guns was all NORMAL things that most Men did and not just country bumpkins. Now, God forbid you show people doing those activities.
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^^^^^Wow. Agree with all of it. Very well said, and also very scary because I believe it is ALL TRUE, but the Left calls it tinfoil hat material. >:( So yes, they call us crazy and out of touch and out of control. We are over lapping less and less. Watch old TV shows or movies. Hunting, fishing, having guns was all NORMAL things that most Men did and not just country bumpkins. Now, God forbid you show people doing those activities.
It does sound kind of conspiracy theoryish. It’s shocking and hard to believe systematic persecution of groups for simply who they are could ever happen again. Really? Is it that hard to believe? It hasn’t been that long ago we had Jim Crow laws, and up until Stonewall persecution of homosexuals, and the twentieth century saw the great “red” scare, persecution of anyone suspected of communism which cost people their jobs, and landed many innocents in jail. For that matter, homosexuals and communists were thrown in together; if you were suspected of one, you might also be the other. Gay university professors had to get girlfriends and wives and otherwise hide who they were or risk losing their job! Nevermind their lives; gay bashing was common.
The big difference today is that the group targeted is not a real minority. But it is being made to appear as a minority fringe group because the media is so overwhelmingly one sided. And never before has the majority racial demographic had such a culture divide.
All groups do this. As I just pointed out, it’s not just the left, the right has done it too. What has saved us so far, from going all the way to gas chambers, is the Constitution. The concepts of individual liberty and that all men are created equal eventually corrected these atrocities before they got too far, because we are America, the greatest most free and most respectful of human rights nation that ever existed.
That is why the most alarming thing of all about this go round is that they are trying to neutralize the Constitution, to “fundamentally transform” the United States. Unlike past persecutions, which rested on behaviors (homosexuality, or “you’re a witch!”) or skin color or in the case of the red scare, a legitimate fear of what’s occurring right now, unlike those, this time they are targeting those who embrace the core concepts upon which our nation rests.
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See, the elites don’t have to follow the rules they make for everyone else.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/anthony-fauci-to-begin-modified-quarantine/ar-BB13QU45?ocid=spartanntp
Fuck that little troll.
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See, the elites don’t have to follow the rules they make for everyone else.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/anthony-fauci-to-begin-modified-quarantine/ar-BB13QU45?ocid=spartanntp
Fuck that little troll.
He should also not have received a salary all during the shutdown. I wonder how that would affect his recommendations.
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He should also not have received a salary all during the shutdown. I wonder how that would affect his recommendations.
No problem, he will have several million “book advance” awaiting him.
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No problem, he will have several million “book advance” awaiting him.
Funny how history repeats. I’m watching the Masterpiece theatre show “Poldark”, set in England around 1790s. Hard working hungry common folk, and the elite class, absolutely and arrogantly unconcerned, yet pulling the strings to effect the economic conditions under which the former suffer. The more things change, the more they remain the same.
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The new thing added here in taxachusetts is face coverings when stores and any business.
If this wasn't so serious, it would be completely hilarious that the face covering order "strongly discourages" use of medical-grade masks to meeet the requirements of the order. Instead we are to use any cloth, doesn't matter how useless it is with respect the ability to filter anything.
I've seen some of the probable things that will be required for reopening... and, yes, I'm at a loss to see anything that couldn't have been done 2 months ago.
Of course, I'd still like to see the science behind all this stuff.
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I'm sort of hopeful that we're seeing a culture change in America. That moving forward more folks will publicly use PPE and be more mindful of not spreading contagion. We loose lots of people from Influenza every year.
That said, I have little faith in people. I doubt anyone will learn anything and everything will go back to the way it was.
The handshake has been around for at least 2,500 years. Gentlemen always take their gloves off before shaking hands. You don’t create civilizations by hiding in a cave, or hiding behind a face mask.
You expect us to all walk around with face masks like the Asian culture?
You need to cull the deadwood for the forest to survive.
I don’t know about you, but when I was growing up in Chicago and ducking and covering in St. Juliana Catholic School during atomic bomb drills, I for one had no plans on living in a post apocalyptic world, and thought it was all bullshit. I feel the same way today. A cultural change that you envision is not living. And this is coming from a germaphobe who was a germaphobe before being a germaphobe was cool.
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The handshake has been around for at least 2,500 years. Gentlemen always take their gloves off before shaking hands. You don’t create civilizations by hiding in a cave, or hiding behind a face mask.
You expect us to all walk around with face masks like the Asian culture?
You need to cull the deadwood for the forest to survive.
I don’t know about you, but when I was growing up in Chicago and ducking and covering in St. Juliana Catholic School during atomic bomb drills, I for one had no plans on living in a post apocalyptic world, and thought it was all bullshit. I feel the same way today. A cultural change that you envision is not living. And this is coming from a germaphobe who was a germaphobe before being a germaphobe was cool.
Steingar wants Fundamental Transformation, socially, economically and now with a total, unending shutdown where he can hide in his faculty lounge and watch CNN all day. Like a good little Bolshevik. It is in his Russian blood. ;D
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None. Zilch. Just bureaucrats producing security theater.
I’m watching Tucker Carlson tonight, May 12. He’s going through tapes of what Dr. Fauci said:
1/21/20 Newsmax: “this is not a major threat for the people of the United States.”
3/8/20 CBS: “Right now in the United States people should not be walking around in masks.” “It might make people feel better, but it isn’t providing the perfect protection that people think it is.”
4/7/20 Wall Street Journal: “I don’t think we should ever shake hands ever again, to be honest with you.”
5/12/20 Congressional hearing: “But some sort of mask-like facial covering, for the time being, should be a very regular part of how we stop the spread of infection.”
He is a 78-year old buffoon, and people are listening to him like they listened to Jesus speaking to 5,000 near the Sea of Galilee.
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Yeah, but the Eastern Front still wasn't as bad as facing Rush's Six Foot Fecal Spray! :o
I am forever mentally scarred.
Wait. What? Will this put a damper on my three way plan?
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Wait. What? Will this put a damper on my three way plan?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
You must have missed the post where I pass along the well known factoid that when you flush, microscopic droplets containing yes, even fecal molecules, are launched to distances up to 6’ away. Poor Anthony can’t get that shocking piece of news out of his head, and probably has thrown away his toothbrush, bought a new one and keeps it in an airtight case.
If it makes you feel any better Anthony, I myself was ruined by similar news when somebody did a story on hotel rooms involving a black light. I’ve never been able to relax in a hotel room quite the same since.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
You must have missed the post where I pass along the well known factoid that when you flush, microscopic droplets containing yes, even fecal molecules, are launched to distances up to 6’ away. Poor Anthony can’t get that shocking piece of news out of his head, and probably has thrown away his toothbrush, bought a new one and keeps it in an airtight case.
If it makes you feel any better Anthony, I myself was ruined by similar news when somebody did a story on hotel rooms involving a black light. I’ve never been able to relax in a hotel room quite the same since.
Totally threw away everything in there and sterilized the bathrooms! Yes, I can't stand hotels either. Ewwww!
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I’m watching Tucker Carlson tonight, May 12. He’s going through tapes of what Dr. Fauci said:
1/21/20 Newsmax: “this is not a major threat for the people of the United States.”
3/8/20 CBS: “Right now in the United States people should not be walking around in masks.” “It might make people feel better, but it isn’t providing the perfect protection that people think it is.”
4/7/20 Wall Street Journal: “I don’t think we should ever shake hands ever again, to be honest with you.”
5/12/20 Congressional hearing: “But some sort of mask-like facial covering, for the time being, should be a very regular part of how we stop the spread of infection.”
He is a 78-year old buffoon, and people are listening to him like they listened to Jesus speaking to 5,000 near the Sea of Galilee.
This is Fauci's last hurrah. 40+ years as an unknown bureaucrat, and he's at the center of attention, and he's craving his new "power". Even at the hearing yesterday he was acting like he has the sole decision on everything, and he shouldn't be questioned. Rand Paul (a physician himself) put Fauci in his place.
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This is Fauci's last hurrah. 40+ years as an unknown bureaucrat, and he's at the center of attention, and he's craving his new "power". Even at the hearing yesterday he was acting like he has the sole decision on everything, and he shouldn't be questioned. Rand Paul (a physician himself) put Fauci in his place.
If an honest assessment of this unnecessary shutdown were to happen and it WON'T, Fauci would be seen as Public Enemy #1.
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If an honest assessment of this unnecessary shutdown were to happen and it WON'T, Fauci would be seen as Public Enemy #1.
Fauci is now a hero to the left. Just wait, I promise, he has a multi million dollar book advance coming.
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This is Fauci's last hurrah. 40+ years as an unknown bureaucrat, and he's at the center of attention, and he's craving his new "power". Even at the hearing yesterday he was acting like he has the sole decision on everything, and he shouldn't be questioned. Rand Paul (a physician himself) put Fauci in his place.
I didn’t know Fauci was 78. Sometimes I suspect older people of lapse in judgement. Not overt dementia but subtle changes, perhaps due to small symptomless strokes or small buildups of beta amyloid. One of the cognitive changes not openly obvious is the gradual loss of ability to think in layers, that is, to consider multiple or conflicting sets of data simultaneously, such as weighing the ultimate damage to society’s health caused by economic collapse against immediately visible damage such as current covid19 deaths.
The more cognition is impaired, the less ability to extrapolate consequences and this is the hallmark of poor judgement and is exactly the concern of the FAA when, for example, you’ve had a closed head injury, but think you’ve recovered and indeed appear to have recovered to a casual observer.
This could of course also apply to Donald Trump, or to any of us over the age of 60. In the case of Joe Biden it has progressed way beyond “subtle and not obvious”.
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Meanwhile Dr. Birx believes the number of deaths from COVID has been overstated by 25%.
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These hearings are just useless as the Senators just use it as a way to grandstand.
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These hearings are just useless as the Senators just use it as a way to grandstand.
Yep. And we are still awaiting Sen Graham to hold hearings and start calling witnesses in the ObamaGate spying scandal (won't hold my breath)
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I'm sort of hopeful that we're seeing a culture change in America. That moving forward more folks will publicly use PPE and be more mindful of not spreading contagion. We loose [sic] lots of people from Influenza every year.
Are you admiting that the response to COVID-19 is completely inconsistent with our response to influenza?
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Never trust anyone who has spent 40 years in government. They have perfected the art of covering their own ass, promoting themsleves to look good, and making sure their work has some sort of personal benefit.
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Never trust anyone who has spent 40 years in government. They have perfected the art of covering their own ass, promoting themsleves to look good, and making sure their work has some sort of personal benefit.
well, I know some folks that are really quite good at the job (not the politics, but the job). Perhaps your statement would be more accurate by saying "be suspicious of anyone who has spent 40+ years in government" and somehow differentiate between people doing a job and people looking to move up the bureaucratic ladder.
I know I know... that takes all the fun out it...
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Tucker Carlson monologue from last night, worth the read.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-dr-fauci-has-not-been-elected-to-anything
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Tucker Carlson monologue from last night, worth the read.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-dr-fauci-has-not-been-elected-to-anything
Some people seem to think he should be dictator for the duration of this crisis. That's insanity. Fauci, like every other human being, is flawed. He says things that are wise, he says things that are profoundly silly. He is not -- and no one is -- the one person who should be in charge when it comes to making long-term health recommendations.
This guy, Fauci, may be even more off-base than your average epidemiologist. Plenty of doctors, by the way, think it's time for most, even all, of the country, to cautiously reopen. And they have a voice in this, too. They deserve one.
You don’t understand. Only Democrat epidemiologists should decide when to reopen.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
You must have missed the post where I pass along the well known factoid that when you flush, microscopic droplets containing yes, even fecal molecules, are launched to distances up to 6’ away. Poor Anthony can’t get that shocking piece of news out of his head, and probably has thrown away his toothbrush, bought a new one and keeps it in an airtight case.
If it makes you feel any better Anthony, I myself was ruined by similar news when somebody did a story on hotel rooms involving a black light. I’ve never been able to relax in a hotel room quite the same since.
Lol.
Ok, got it. And yes I agree with you! As a proud germaphobe I was talking to my brother about the idiots who bring their phones into the stalls in bathrooms. He said he does, and says not to worry, because he doesn’t set it down anywhere.
I asked him if he touched the door lock and handle to enter and exit the stall and he said of course. I mentioned the dozens of other guys who touched that door every day, and then asked if that hand also touched his phone.
The color drained from his face.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
You must have missed the post where I pass along the well known factoid that when you flush, microscopic droplets containing yes, even fecal molecules, are launched to distances up to 6’ away. Poor Anthony can’t get that shocking piece of news out of his head, and probably has thrown away his toothbrush, bought a new one and keeps it in an airtight case.
If it makes you feel any better Anthony, I myself was ruined by similar news when somebody did a story on hotel rooms involving a black light. I’ve never been able to relax in a hotel room quite the same since.
Lol.
Ok, got it. And yes I agree with you! As a proud germaphobe I was talking to my brother about the idiots who bring their phones into the stalls in bathrooms. He said he does, and says not to worry, because he doesn’t set it down anywhere.
I asked him if he touched the door lock and handle to enter and exit the stall and he said of course. I mentioned the dozens of other guys who touched that door every day, and then asked if that hand also touched his phone.
The color drained from his face.
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Lol.
Ok, got it. And yes I agree with you! As a proud germaphobe I was talking to my brother about the idiots who bring their phones into the stalls in bathrooms. He said he does, and says not to worry, because he doesn’t set it down anywhere.
I asked him if he touched the door lock and handle to enter and exit the stall and he said of course. I mentioned the dozens of other guys who touched that door every day, and then asked if that hand also touched his phone.
The color drained from his face.
I have had to make myself get over the public bathroom thing. Women must carry purses into the stall and there are often no hooks upon which to hang them so you end up having to hang the thing around your neck, try to balance it on top of the metal paper dispenser, or placing it on the floor. That means my purse is contaminated. Or at least the bottom of it so now I am unable to place it on the kitchen counter, my dining room table or my bed, or even touch the bottom of it.
And I force myself not to think about all the butts that have sat on the seat. It’s one of those things I have to repress deeply or I wouldn’t be able to use a public toilet and my bladder capacity is not that great so that’s not an option.
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I have had to make myself get over the public bathroom thing. Women must carry purses into the stall and there are often no hooks upon which to hang them so you end up having to hang the thing around your neck, try to balance it on top of the metal paper dispenser, or placing it on the floor. That means my purse is contaminated. Or at least the bottom of it so now I am unable to place it on the kitchen counter, my dining room table or my bed, or even touch the bottom of it.
And I force myself not to think about all the butts that have sat on the seat. It’s one of those things I have to repress deeply or I wouldn’t be able to use a public toilet and my bladder capacity is not that great so that’s not an option.
My ex-wife used to carry a small spray bottle of disinfectant and tissues/paper towels in her purse to wipe the seat and other surfaces she thought were contaminated. Also, hand sanitizer. She'd set her handbag down on tissues she spread wherever.
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well, I know some folks that are really quite good at the job (not the politics, but the job). Perhaps your statement would be more accurate by saying "be suspicious of anyone who has spent 40+ years in government" and somehow differentiate between people doing a job and people looking to move up the bureaucratic ladder.
I know I know... that takes all the fun out it...
Having recently retired from 17 years of federal employment, I stand by my statement. Even if you don't want to move up the ladder, there is still plenty of CYA, throwing others under the bus, and general taking care of oneself. End of year bonuses, QSI step increases bring out the worse in people, regardless of their GS level.
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My ex-wife used to carry a small spray bottle of disinfectant and tissues/paper towels in her purse to wipe the seat and other surfaces she thought were contaminated. Also, hand sanitizer. She'd set her handbag down on tissues she spread wherever.
The trouble with trying to mitigate like that is, it’s all defeated the instant you flush and get a spray of germs everywhere. In most public toilets there isn’t even a lid to put down.
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Lol.
Ok, got it. And yes I agree with you! As a proud germaphobe I was talking to my brother about the idiots who bring their phones into the stalls in bathrooms. He said he does, and says not to worry, because he doesn’t set it down anywhere.
I asked him if he touched the door lock and handle to enter and exit the stall and he said of course. I mentioned the dozens of other guys who touched that door every day, and then asked if that hand also touched his phone.
The color drained from his face.
You can say that again...... ;D
I am not a germaphobe. I let my immune system work for me. Don't get the flu and generally don't get sick except for the occasional cold.
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Having recently retired from 17 years of federal employment, I stand by my statement. Even if you don't want to move up the ladder, there is still plenty of CYA, throwing others under the bus, and general taking care of oneself. End of year bonuses, QSI step increases bring out the worse in people, regardless of their GS level.
your experience differs from mine.
I guess I was fortunate to work with some good folks.
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The trouble with trying to mitigate like that is, it’s all defeated the instant you flush and get a spray of germs everywhere. In most public toilets there isn’t even a lid to put down.
Ahhhh! There's the six foot fecal spray again. Nooooo................
Ahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!
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your experience differs from mine.
I guess I was fortunate to work with some good folks.
I think both y’all are right. Many, maybe most, are sincerely well intentioned. But they are operating within parameters that incentivize certain behavior. Like rats learning a maze, they get rewarded with cheese a few times and get conditioned to repeat those behaviors.
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I think both y’all are right. Many, maybe most, are sincerely well intentioned. But they are operating within parameters that incentivize certain behavior. Like rats learning a maze, they get rewarded with cheese a few times and get conditioned to repeat those behaviors.
I understand the parameters under which government employees operate - man, there are some things that I just can't share but my-oh-my it really sucked the fun out of some my work. What seems to be ignored by some here is that there are in fact people working in government (various GS levels) don't let some of the government nonsense stop them from doing the right thing inspite of the rewards for doing something stupid. Not everyone is only focused on number one.