Post by: Mase on May 13, 2020, 08:12:06 PM
Post by: Rush on May 14, 2020, 04:08:28 AM
Post by: Ron22 on May 14, 2020, 05:02:42 AM
Typical Wisconsin. Crowded bars seen across Wisconsin after Safer at Home extension struck down
https://wkow.com/2020/05/14/crowded-bars-seen-across-wisconsin-after-safer-at-home-extension-struck-down/
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 14, 2020, 05:15:44 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 14, 2020, 05:16:12 AM
We need to go to war over this. These shutdowns are now capricious and obviously designed to damage the economy for political reasons. Cases are going down in places that have opened up. There’s no excuse for this anymore.
No no no....we have
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 14, 2020, 05:22:51 AM
No no no....we haveto flatten the curve to prevent an over run of our medical facilitieserr....I mean...we can't open up because if it saves one life.... no wait, here, I have it "we can't open up until there's a proven vaccine and everyone is cured!
you forgot to require that the vaccine is free to everyone "who is economically disadvantaged"
and don't forget to require everyone to be vaccinated
Post by: Ron22 on May 14, 2020, 05:34:13 AM
no wait, here, I have it "we can't open up until there's a proven vaccine and everyone is cured!Fauci tells Congress: 'There's no guarantee that the vaccine is actually.
Guess we better stay locked up forever.
Post by: Anthony on May 14, 2020, 06:31:42 AM
We need to go to war over this. These shutdowns are now capricious and obviously designed to damage the economy for political reasons. Cases are going down in places that have opened up. There’s no excuse for this anymore.
People in my are wearing masks alone in their Teslas. They wear masks when walking alone, and jogging alone. I doubt any of those people ever touched a firearm and probably think only redneck Trump supporters have them. Their masks are their little security blankets making them safe.
Post by: Lucifer on May 14, 2020, 06:37:31 AM
People in my are wearing masks alone in their Teslas. They wear masks when walking alone, and jogging alone. I doubt any of those people ever touched a firearm and probably think only redneck Trump supporters have them. Their masks are their little security blankets making them safe.
More security theater.
If we don't get ahead of this, it's only a matter of time before liberal legislatures start crafting new laws to be signed into law by progressive governors.
Think of the TSA. No way in hell should that agency ever been created. It is an absolute disaster from day one, and is now a bloated government agency that accomplishes nothing except to harass citizens. If we are not careful, CDC and NIH, as well as state agencies will gain explosive new powers under the guise of "keeping everyone safe".
Post by: Rush on May 14, 2020, 06:40:28 AM
Fauci tells Congress: 'There's no guarantee that the vaccine is actually.
Guess we better stay locked up forever.
There is no reason not to stay locked down forever. Non essential businesses need never reopen and we can have universal income because the government can just send everyone money. Never mind that there won’t be any tax revenue from the nonessential businesses, because I am oblivious to the connection between productivity and currency. Food and goods magically appear in Walmart or are delivered to my doorstep with no apparent connection to all the other businesses deemed nonessential because I am blind to the interdependency between all parts of a functioning macroeconomy. I can keep eating indefinitely because crops rotting in fields is not relevant. I have little ability to foresee the future. As long as I keep getting money, because I’m lucky enough to be able to work remotely from home, and as long as I can buy food and internet brought to me by essential people who risk their lives out amongst the virus so I can stay safely isolated at home, there is no reason to reopen the economy.
Post by: nddons on May 14, 2020, 05:32:49 PM
Good for the Republicans for standing up and doing something about it.Yep. I walked into a local watering hole, gave the bartender $20 for a Miller High Life, and thanked them for opening up.
Typical Wisconsin. Crowded bars seen across Wisconsin after Safer at Home extension struck down
https://wkow.com/2020/05/14/crowded-bars-seen-across-wisconsin-after-safer-at-home-extension-struck-down/
Based on THAT crowd, we are in good shape as a society. However, the bar crowd isn’t the plurality.
Post by: Ron22 on May 14, 2020, 06:51:45 PM
There is no reason not to stay locked down forever. Non essential businesses need never reopen and we can have universal income because the government can just send everyone money. Never mind that there won’t be any tax revenue from the nonessential businesses, because I am oblivious to the connection between productivity and currency. Food and goods magically appear in Walmart or are delivered to my doorstep with no apparent connection to all the other businesses deemed nonessential because I am blind to the interdependency between all parts of a functioning macroeconomy. I can keep eating indefinitely because crops rotting in fields is not relevant. I have little ability to foresee the future. As long as I keep getting money, because I’m lucky enough to be able to work remotely from home, and as long as I can buy food and internet brought to me by essential people who risk their lives out amongst the virus so I can stay safely isolated at home, there is no reason to reopen the economy.You missed the part where you vote Democrat every election
Post by: Rush on May 15, 2020, 12:31:42 AM
You missed the part where you vote Democrat every election
There was no reason to state the obvious. ;D
Post by: Ron22 on May 15, 2020, 06:01:03 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/wisconsin-coronavirus-cases-rise-stay-home-order-lifted-1504274
Nice misleading headline. I thought it had a 2 week incubation period. So we will not know what effect bars have on the numbers for 2 weeks.
You know Science they keep telling us to listen too.
Post by: Anthony on May 15, 2020, 06:11:35 AM
WISCONSIN'S NEW CORONAVIRUS CASES RISE AS PEOPLE FLOCK TO REOPENED BARS AFTER COURT OVERTURNS STAY-AT-HOME ORDER
https://www.newsweek.com/wisconsin-coronavirus-cases-rise-stay-home-order-lifted-1504274
Nice misleading headline. I thought it had a 2 week incubation period. So we will not know what effect bars have on the numbers for 2 weeks.
You know Science they keep telling us to listen too.
The Democrat MEDIA largely caused and is enabling this Lock Down. Many people believe their lies, omissions, and fabricated stories to advance their Leftist Agenda. It gives the Democrats, Globalists and Statists huge power. That is the problem.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 15, 2020, 06:21:59 AM
WISCONSIN'S NEW CORONAVIRUS CASES RISE AS PEOPLE FLOCK TO REOPENED BARS AFTER COURT OVERTURNS STAY-AT-HOME ORDER
https://www.newsweek.com/wisconsin-coronavirus-cases-rise-stay-home-order-lifted-1504274
Nice misleading headline. I thought it had a 2 week incubation period. So we will not know what effect bars have on the numbers for 2 weeks.
You know Science they keep telling us to listen too.
300 new cases?
oh the horror.
That would put Wisconsin behind 23 other states for new cases yesterday.
Massachusetts had over 1500 new confirmed cases yesterday.
(edit: yes, that's an absolute number... not rate)
(another edit: does Wisconsin publish new case numbers daily and what are the trends?)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 15, 2020, 06:33:07 AM
Every state, city, county, and even country around the world, and cities and boroughs and shires and whatever, are .... DIFFERENT. Population densities, weather, and many other factors differ wildly.
People living in all those places have different cultural practices and degrees of tendency to comply or not comply.
For these and many more reasons, results from attempts at “controlling” this virus’ spread vary enormously.
I believe the bottom line is that we can do certain things as individuals to protect ourselves, but trying to create “safety,” which is an illusion, by police state tactics is folly.
Post by: Ron22 on May 15, 2020, 06:51:54 AM
(another edit: does Wisconsin publish new case numbers daily and what are the trends?)Every Day
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/outbreaks/index.htm
Crappy page but you can download data.
Looks like WI have been increasing number of test. I know they were doing drive up testing for people that had symptoms. Shocking more test equal more cases.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 15, 2020, 07:30:13 AM
Shocking more test equal more cases.
imagine that. More testing can result in more cases being detected.
Given the number of people who never show any symptoms...
Post by: Anthony on May 15, 2020, 07:48:46 AM
imagine that. More testing can result in more cases being detected.
Given the number of people who never show any symptoms...
They may never show symptoms, never know they had it, or may just have minor cold and flu symptoms they dismiss. So, who knows how many people got it? The stats will never capture that, nor the so called "EXPERTS" nor the MEDIA ever mention that. This is a totally politicized, exaggerated, "Pandemic".
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 15, 2020, 07:55:58 AM
They may never show symptoms, never know they had it, or may just have minor cold and flu symptoms they dismiss. So, who knows how many people got it? The stats will never capture that, nor the so called "EXPERTS" nor the MEDIA ever mention that. This is a totally politicized, exaggerated, "Pandemic".
There are ways that we could study it. It would require a significant investment in testing for the virus itself (in very short supply) and with anit-body tests (currently unobtainium). But there could be a reasonable objective quantification of the total number of people infected. If we could test everyone, it would be more definitive, but that probably can't happen for financial reasons.
I expect that a few universities or colleges or centers for infectious diseases will spend some time and money on this, perhaps not this year or next, but eventually.
Of course, with the attention span of the general US population, the results of these studies will either not be widely publized or will be grossly misunderstood. Few of the people that have been panicking will be willing to admit that they overreacted.
Post by: nddons on May 15, 2020, 09:22:13 AM
Wisconsin does. You can Google it to see.
300 new cases?
oh the horror.
That would put Wisconsin behind 23 other states for new cases yesterday.
Massachusetts had over 1500 new confirmed cases yesterday.
(edit: yes, that's an absolute number... not rate)
(another edit: does Wisconsin publish new case numbers daily and what are the trends?)
However I don’t have any belief in their truthfulness. Andrea Palm, the unconfirmed secretary-designee of the Department of Health Services who issued these unconstitutional orders, is not an MD or even a PhD.
She is a liberal political operative with a Masters in Social Work. Her LinkedIn profile doesn’t even show that she works in Wisconsin. She clearly was dropped into Wisconsin by Ever’s New World Order puppet masters.
Check this out: https://www.bing.com/fd/ls/GLinkPing.aspx?IG=6D8762B7D3EA4B4BA33B49B6628CAA91&&ID=SERP,5126.1&SUIH=DcobVQI7aR89lYVW4QubbA&redir=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubGlua2VkaW4uY29tL2luL2FuZHJlYWpwYWxt
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 15, 2020, 07:35:57 PM
Post by: Anthony on May 16, 2020, 02:36:36 AM
Wisconsin does. You can Google it to see.
However I don’t have any belief in their truthfulness. Andrea Palm, the unconfirmed secretary-designee of the Department of Health Services who issued these unconstitutional orders, is not an MD or even a PhD.
She is a liberal political operative with a Masters in Social Work. Her LinkedIn profile doesn’t even show that she works in Wisconsin. She clearly was dropped into Wisconsin by Ever’s New World Order puppet masters.
Check this out: https://www.bing.com/fd/ls/GLinkPing.aspx?IG=6D8762B7D3EA4B4BA33B49B6628CAA91&&ID=SERP,5126.1&SUIH=DcobVQI7aR89lYVW4QubbA&redir=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubGlua2VkaW4uY29tL2luL2FuZHJlYWpwYWxt
Which means COMMUNIST plant.
Post by: Lucifer on May 16, 2020, 06:17:19 AM
Post by: Little Joe on May 17, 2020, 05:10:49 AM
Meanwhile, in Georgia even with increased testing our number of cases is decreasing. Ate in at Cracker Barrel and the Cheese Cake Factory today.I have been trying to follow Georgia's new cases/deaths over time but can't find a good source. Can you point to a chart I can show my in-laws that resuming parts of the economy aren't leading to mass deaths?
Post by: Anthony on May 17, 2020, 05:17:15 AM
Also, with hospitals getting $39,000 per death for Corona Virus cases, guess what they are doing?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 17, 2020, 05:48:32 AM
I have been trying to follow Georgia's new cases/deaths over time but can't find a good source. Can you point to a chart I can show my in-laws that resuming parts of the economy aren't leading to mass deaths?
fwiw
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report (this has a chart with #cases and #deaths over time)
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
(edit: of course, there is always the possibility of erroneous data, but these sites shouldn't be easily dismissed by the liberals)
Post by: Anthony on May 17, 2020, 05:55:33 AM
1. In nursing Homes
2. Older (above 75)
3. Already sick from other serious respiratory or other diseases/illnesses
4. All of the above
Do you think we will ever be able to see those statistics and if so they will be reliable and not manipulated to fit the Leftist Agenda?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 17, 2020, 07:15:46 AM
I have been trying to follow Georgia's new cases/deaths over time but can't find a good source. Can you point to a chart I can show my in-laws that resuming parts of the economy aren't leading to mass deaths?
https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report (https://dph.georgia.gov/covid-19-daily-status-report)
Last I checked, it doe not work in FireFox or likely any Mozilla based browser. As an aside, Jamie Dupree, a COX Media Washington D.C. reporter is now out calling the Georgia numbers cooked. He was pointing to how the number seem to change a lot. I called him out on it and tried to explain how the time between tests, results and reporting vary and that he, obviously, had not noticed that every number for the most recent seven days is labeled "preliminary". I'm guessing he can't read. ::)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 17, 2020, 07:17:46 AM
The only sources I can find for the number of cases, and deaths are from the CDC whom I do NOT trust. The other sources when I use Google or Bing include, CNN, VOX, the Washington Post, The New York Times, NBC, the Weather Channel (NBC/Comcast), ABC and other very, very LEFT BIASED sources. There are NO RELIABLE sources by state in which to rely. None.
Also, with hospitals getting $39,000 per death for Corona Virus cases, guess what they are doing?
That's $39k if a ventilator was used, $13k if not. Colorado has down graded their numbers, having gone back and delineated between "died of" and "died with" COVID.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 17, 2020, 08:40:51 AM
I'd like to see the number of Covid 19 deaths of people who were NOT:
1. In nursing Homes
2. Older (above 75)
3. Already sick from other serious respiratory or other diseases/illnesses
4. All of the above
Do you think we will ever be able to see those statistics and if so they will be reliable and not manipulated to fit the Leftist Agenda?
Yes.
Post by: Lucifer on May 17, 2020, 08:41:34 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 17, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
I'd like to see the number of Covid 19 deaths of people who were NOT:
1. In nursing Homes
2. Older (above 75)
3. Already sick from other serious respiratory or other diseases/illnesses
4. All of the above
Do you think we will ever be able to see those statistics and if so they will be reliable and not manipulated to fit the Leftist Agenda?
Massachusetts has a dashboard updated daily.
The one for 17 May 2020 shows 3534 COVID-19 Deaths Reported in Long-Term Care Facilities (out of the 5797 total for the State)
It shows 98.4% of fatalities had some underlying condition, but that only includes data from deaths following completed
investigation, figures are updates as additional investigations are completed.
It shows 56.1% were hospitalized at any point in time, not necessarily the current status
4944 (of out the 5797) were 70+
And Massachusetts also published the raw data used for the dashboard... but I haven't looked at the raw data yet.