PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: texasag93 on May 13, 2020, 08:46:44 PM
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I am reading everywhere that the Republicans want everyone to get back to work.
That is the media and the left barking about how bad the Republicans and others (right, conservative) are.
The left and the media want us to stay at home and suffer.
We need to start phrasing it as 'WE NEED TO GET BACK TO LIVING!'
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Funny thing is: I know a bunch of working class democrats that really want to get back to work and are getting pissed at the lockdown. They are afraid of losing everything.
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Funny thing is: I know a bunch of working class democrats that really want to get back to work and are getting pissed at the lockdown. They are afraid of losing everything.
And I know some hard core conservatives who are terrified of the virus and want to stay shut down forever, but they’re all women, so there’s that. It does seem mostly divided along political lines which must mean either liberals are more germophobic than conservatives or they are sadists and want to hurt hard working people and get rid of Trump.
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And I know some hard core conservatives who are terrified of the virus and want to stay shut down forever, but they’re all women, so there’s that. It does seem mostly divided along political lines which must mean either liberals are more germophobic than conservatives or they are sadists and want to hurt hard working people and get rid of Trump.
It just seems that democrats in general are momma's boys. They want the government to tell them how to live and what to do, they can't or don't want to figure it out themselves. Conservatives, especially country conservatives, are suspect of government and government meddling and want to stand, good or bad, on their own two feet.
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It just seems that democrats in general are momma's boys. They want the government to tell them how to live and what to do, they can't or don't want to figure it out themselves. Conservatives, especially country conservatives, are suspect of government and government meddling and want to stand, good or bad, on their own two feet.
Hopefully there are a lot of working class Democrats who are holdovers from the past when the DNC was pro union, who are actually conservative at heart and will continue the switch that began in 2016 in the rust belt. Plus there are tons of blacks who are conservative at heart but likewise holdover Democrats from that moment a Republican said something racist back in the 60s and caused a mass R to D switch among blacks. Time to switch back. These demographics aren’t mama’s boys. Maybe this shutdown will open their eyes to which party wants to support their jobs and businesses and which party doesn’t give a fuck about them. Maybe Trump will win in an even bigger electoral landslide plus the popular vote too in November. If so this Democrat scheme will have backfired even worse than all the others, and that’s saying something!
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My idiot governor (WA) is sitting in his tower, tweeting about how his wife is cutting his hair, abrogating his responsibility by hitching up to two other states (CA and OR) in some weird alliance that I’m sure bodes no good for us, and apparently is throwing dice around to determine what opens and what stays closed.
Jim, you’re well out of Oregon. We’re looking longingly at Idaho.
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It just seems that democrats in general are momma's boys. They want the government to tell them how to live and what to do, they can't or don't want to figure it out themselves. Conservatives, especially country conservatives, are suspect of government and government meddling and want to stand, good or bad, on their own two feet.
I'm seeing the following groups largely so afraid of their own shadow they want almst a permanent lockdown becuae they are scared but also they want to GET RID OF TRUMP. This Virus is totally political.
Democrats
The MEDIA (also mostly Democrats)
Women (many overly cautious, bliss ninny, nanny state types)
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The lockdown hoax (sorry, it's all political and not based in science) is the newfound toy in the progressive playbook. They adore and crave the power they believe it gives them. Damn right they will fight to keep it going.
This needs to be a national wake up call to all of those who can't be bothered with voting. Hope those stay at homes in the blue progressive states are enjoying the tyranny they now live under. If they would have gotten off their lazy asses and voted lots of this wouldn't be happening.
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The lockdown hoax (sorry, it's all political and not based in science) is the newfound toy in the progressive playbook. They adore and crave the power they believe it gives them. Damn right they will fight to keep it going.
This needs to be a national wake up call to all of those who can't be bothered with voting. Hope those stay at homes in the blue progressive states are enjoying the tyranny they now live under. If they would have gotten off their lazy asses and voted lots of this wouldn't be happening.
It only occurred because Trump was President. Lockdowns will only be used if we have a Republican President. Trump may be the last as Texas is going Blue.
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right up front I want to say that I'm sooooo happy that I retired 3 years ago. At least I got to enjoy life for three years before all this covid-19 panic BS gripped so many people.
Now, to be accurate, a lockdown, social distancing, proper hygiene, are real techniques for reducing the spread of pathogens. This is based on real science. And so would be the use of haz-mat suits and respirators and the rest of the BL4 equipment. But at what cost?
Using a bandana for a face covering has no basis in actual science.
If we aren't going to do this shutdown crap for the seasonal flu, that means we, as a society, accept a certain amount of risk. Where is the risk analysis that would justify this covid-19 crap but not also apply it to the seasonal flu and pneumonia?
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right up front I want to say that I'm sooooo happy that I retired 3 years ago. At least I got to enjoy life for three years before all this covid-19 panic BS gripped so many people.
Now, to be accurate, a lockdown, social distancing, proper hygiene, are real techniques for reducing the spread of pathogens. This is based on real science. And so would be the use of haz-mat suits and respirators and the rest of the BL4 equipment. But at what cost?
Using a bandana for a face covering has no basis in actual science.
If we aren't going to do this shutdown crap for the seasonal flu, that means we, as a society, accept a certain amount of risk. Where is the risk analysis that would justify this covid-19 crap but not also apply it to the seasonal flu and pneumonia?
THIS^^^^^
Here is what I believe happened:
1. From initial reports both the severe case rate and the death rate appeared higher than they actually turned out to be, and Fauci et al had already done a lot of planning for severe pandemics, coming up with new tools to fight a truly deadly pathogen. The ideas of social distancing had been conceptualized. And so this appeared to be the time to try them out.
2. Trump took their advice and might have believed the Dems would actually come together to address this crisis in a rational way, and a short shutdown to flatten the curve so as not to overwhelm hospitals seemed a good thing. Evidence: everything Trump’s team did to build extra facilities, bring ships in, and so on, to provide beds, ventilators, etc.
3. After 2 or 3 weeks of shutdown, and the stock market crash, it began to occur to the Democrats, including Fauci and all the Dem governors, that the shutdown could actually cause economic damage. It was no leap for them to see that this could hurt Trump’s chances at reelection.
4. Hence began the extensions and the moving of goal posts, despite all the new data coming in that this doesn’t look much more deadly than the flu, and that social distancing is only really needed in about 5% of the counties in the whole U.S., and that in fact, we are compromising our herd immunity by staying shut down which actually increases the risk for a second wave. But the appeal of destroying Trump wins.
5. The devastating effect of the stimulus packages on the Federal budget, providing a reason to “blame” Trump, and the bonus of prepping people for accepting universal income, universal healthcare, less pollution and a more austere lifestyle, gives the left incentive to promote socialist utopia goals, and to prolong the lockdown to maximize the pain, and the chance they can use it against Trump in November.
This has become a triggering event, bringing to life the simmering ideological divide we’ve been under for decades. It’s no longer about the virus and hasn’t been since the first two weeks of the shutdown.
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THIS^^^^^
Here is what I believe happened:
1. From initial reports both the severe case rate and the death rate appeared higher than they actually turned out to be, and Fauci et al had already done a lot of planning for severe pandemics, coming up with new tools to fight a truly deadly pathogen. The ideas of social distancing had been conceptualized. And so this appeared to be the time to try them out.
2. Trump took their advice and might have believed the Dems would actually come together to address this crisis in a rational way, and a short shutdown to flatten the curve so as not to overwhelm hospitals seemed a good thing. Evidence: everything Trump’s team did to build extra facilities, bring ships in, and so on, to provide beds, ventilators, etc.
3. After 2 or 3 weeks of shutdown, and the stock market crash, it began to occur to the Democrats, including Fauci and all the Dem governors, that the shutdown could actually cause economic damage. It was no leap for them to see that this could hurt Trump’s chances at reelection.
4. Hence began the extensions and the moving of goal posts, despite all the new data coming in that this doesn’t look much more deadly than the flu, and that social distancing is only really needed in about 5% of the counties in the whole U.S., and that in fact, we are compromising our herd immunity by staying shut down which actually increases the risk for a second wave. But the appeal of destroying Trump wins.
5. The devastating effect of the stimulus packages on the Federal budget, providing a reason to “blame” Trump, and the bonus of prepping people for accepting universal income, universal healthcare, less pollution and a more austere lifestyle, gives the left incentive to promote socialist utopia goals, and to prolong the lockdown to maximize the pain, and the chance they can use it against Trump in November.
This has become a triggering event, bringing to life the simmering ideological divide we’ve been under for decades. It’s no longer about the virus and hasn’t been since the first two weeks of the shutdown.
Excellent analysis Rush. All true as well.
We went from "Flattening the Curve" for a few weeks to now "waiting for a cure" which may NEVER come. RISK ASSESSMENT? It should have been downgraded right away. Are we now a society that accepts NO RISK??? Seems to be. Yet we drive, fly, ride motorcycles with no helmets (yet wear masks, yes I have seen that with motorcycle riders multiple times), etc. We accept many, many other risks as a society, but not THIS ONE. Why?
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And I know some hard core conservatives who are terrified of the virus and want to stay shut down forever, but they’re all women, so there’s that. It does seem mostly divided along political lines which must mean either liberals are more germophobic than conservatives or they are sadists and want to hurt hard working people and get rid of Trump.
It is amazing how some people have swallowed the hook on the fear being served to them.
I have a female friend who has other female friends who almost literally have not left their house in 8 weeks. They make their husbands do the shopping, etc.
This is not Ebola.
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It is amazing how some people have swallowed the hook on the fear being served to them.
I have a female friend who has other female friends who almost literally have not left their house in 8 weeks. They make their husbands do the shopping, etc.
This is not Ebola.
They need to watch these two videos. I won’t hold my breath.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVG2OQp6jEQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioxWuCd-mn0
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They need to watch these two videos. I won’t hold my breath.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVG2OQp6jEQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioxWuCd-mn0
unfortunately, it is likely (no pun) that many people (too many) don't have the necessary grasp on the math and statistics needed to fully grasp what he was saying.
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unfortunately, it is likely (no pun) that many people (too many) don't have the necessary grasp on the math and statistics needed to fully grasp what he was saying.
Sadly you are right. Not to mention the attention span.
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I'm seeing the following groups largely so afraid of their own shadow they want almst a permanent lockdown becuae they are scared but also they want to GET RID OF TRUMP. This Virus is totally political.
Democrats
The MEDIA (also mostly Democrats)
Women (many overly cautious, bliss ninny, nanny state types)
Chris Wallace was beating the “It’s too early” drum on Fox News Sunday.
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Chris Wallace was beating the “It’s too early” drum on Fox News Sunday.
Chris Wallace? Democrat biased Mike Wallace's son. Another inside the beltway Democrat. And Fox News is right wing Media?
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https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2020/05/14/neurosurgeon-says-face-masks-pose-serious-risk-to-healthy-people-n392431
As for the scientific support for the use of face mask, a recent careful examination of the literature, in which 17 of the best studies were analyzed, concluded that, “ None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”1 Keep in mind, no studies have been done to demonstrate that either a cloth mask or the N95 mask has any effect on transmission of the COVID-19 virus. Any recommendations, therefore, have to be based on studies of influenza virus transmission. And, as you have seen, there is no conclusive evidence of their efficiency in controlling flu virus transmission.
It is also instructive to know that until recently, the CDC did not recommend wearing a face mask or covering of any kind, unless a person was known to be infected, that is, until recently. Non-infected people need not wear a mask. When a person has TB we have them wear a mask, not the entire community of non-infected. The recommendations by the CDC and the WHO are not based on any studies of this virus and have never been used to contain any other virus pandemic or epidemic in history.
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Wonder how long before that video is taken down?
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Wonder how long before that video is taken down?
Not long. Google/YouTube, as you know is the worst. It reinforces this entire thing is a LEFTIST hoax and scam purposely being used to bring us down, and get rid of Trump.
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Here’s my question. We can look at historical trends on deaths. Since March, how much have deaths increased? And for what?
Have influenza deaths gone down? I suspect so, since the government is directing everything possible be attributed to Covid.
We all know the data is screwed up, and it’s easy to summarize on purpose.
IOW, these covid deaths are nowhere near what is being reported.
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Here’s my question. We can look at historical trends on deaths. Since March, how much have deaths increased? And for what?
Have influenza deaths gone down? I suspect so, since the government is directing everything possible be attributed to Covid.
We all know the data is screwed up, and it’s easy to summarize on purpose.
IOW, these covid deaths are nowhere near what is being reported.
The data is completely untrustworthy at this point as to be virtually meaningless.
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Here’s my question. We can look at historical trends on deaths. Since March, how much have deaths increased? And for what?
Have influenza deaths gone down? I suspect so, since the government is directing everything possible be attributed to Covid.
We all know the data is screwed up, and it’s easy to summarize on purpose.
IOW, these covid deaths are nowhere near what is being reported.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
edit: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
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And another thing... in response to some of criticism of Massachusetts' handling of COVID-19 deaths in Nursing Homes, etc, HHS Sect .Sudders went back and looked at data for the past 5 years (iirc) (ok, more likely her staff did it). See reported that over the last 5 years, the number of residents that pass away (all causes) in the nursing homes, etc ranged from a low of about 1100 per month to a high of about 1700 per month. There are at least 342 long term care facilities in Massachusetts.
For comparison, in 2016, Massachusetts had a total of 56,961 deaths for the year (all causes). (edit: source: CDC Wonder query)
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Every day I see in our local rag articles from CDC experts who say this virus may never go away. And in the same rag articles saying how awful it is but we must stay closed down because it isn’t safe yet.
Which is it going to fucking be, people? You can’t fucking have both.
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Every day I see in our local rag articles from CDC experts who say this virus may never go away. And in the same rag articles saying how awful it is but we must stay closed down because it isn’t safe yet.
Which is it going to fucking be, people? You can’t fucking have both.
I'll bet you're not seeing many articles talking about the damage to businesses and the economy, unless it's in the context of how the federal government needs to step in and save us all with entitlement programs and universal healthcare.
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BELLMAWR, N.J. (AP) — A gym in New Jersey reopened for business early Monday, defying a state order that shut down nonessential businesses to help stem the spread of the coronavirus.
People began gathering outside the Atilis Gym in Bellmawr several hours before it reopened at 8 a.m. The owners have said the decision to resume operations at the members-only facility was not about financial gain, but rather a question of Constitutional rights.
“We truly believe that if we don’t do this, in the end, we will have zero rights and no say in what happens,” co-owner Frank Trumbetti said in a video posted on the gym’s Facebook page. Trumbetti has said he recently lost a loved one to the coronavirus.
Dozens of people came out to show their support for the gym, with many holding signs critical of Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy and others waving American flags. Only some were wearing face coverings and most people tightly clustered together on the sidewalk and parking area in front of the gym.
“If they shut us down today, we’ll reopen tomorrow,” co-owner Ian Smith told the cheering crowd. The gym then saw a steady stream of customers as the morning progressed.
Around 10:30 a.m., police approached the business and spoke with the gym owners. The officers informed them they were formally in violation of the shutdown order, adding that police were present “only for everybody's safety.” The officers then wished everyone well and told them “have a nice day” before walking away from the gym as the crowd erupted in cheers.
“They (the officers) actually surprised the hell out of me,” Trumbetti said afterward, noting that they “did their job and upheld their oath ... and know that we are not doing anything wrong. It's about time for every police officer out there to understand we all have rights and, even as a police officer, you don't have to do this. It is unconstitutional. It's that simple. We have the right to work."
Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy said he wasn’t concerned other businesses would begin to follow suit because the state is beginning to take steps to reopen. He did, however, suggest the state might take action if the defiance continues.
“I’m not concerned it will spiral out of control, and we will take action,” Murphy said. “If you show up at that gym again tomorrow, there’s going to be a different reality than showing up today. These aren’t just words. We’ve got to enforce this, but I also don’t want to start World War III.”
State Police Superintendent Col. Patrick Callahan said the gym’s owners were issued a court summons over the violation of the governor’s shut-down executive order and clients were given a warning.
Trumbetti urged other businesses to take similar stands and reopen, but noted the several steps the gym has taken in their efforts to ensure social distancing and protect patrons' safety.
"Make sure you're compliant, you can't just open up and be a rebel,” he said.
Among the precautions the gym owners took were taping off workout stations and operating at 20% of the building’s capacity, meaning about 44 patrons at a time. They also were requiring patrons to wear masks unless they were in the middle of lifting weights.
Gym staff will be taking patrons' temperatures at the door and anyone at 100.4 or above will not be allowed inside. The gym's owners also said it wouldn't allow any new members to join Monday.
The gym also posted a warning from the Camden County Prosecutor’s Office that anyone who patronizes a business in violation of the executive order could face a disorderly persons charge.
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I just heard on Facebook from reopen nc that there will be a nationwide “civil disobedience” action on Friday. I don’t know how they are spreading the word, but I am hearing a lot of anecdotal stories of small businesses opening because they’re about to go under and being cited, or either the police refuse to cite them. I wonder if this will be a thing because Memorial weekend is a big deal for businesses that depend on the income.
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They are doing better than in Minnesota
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/big-crowd-gathers-outside-albany-bar-opening-in-violation-of-gov-walz-order
shady's Bar owner Kris Schiffler has announced he is not able to open his bar on Monday as planned, apparently after Attorney General Keith Ellison obtained a court injunction preventing it from doing so.
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They are doing better than in Minnesota
https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/big-crowd-gathers-outside-albany-bar-opening-in-violation-of-gov-walz-order
Maybe somebody can explain this to me. Minnesota is a Socialist (Democrat) Hell Hole and has been for a very long time. Should it be moved to the Northeast or West Coast?
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https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/minnesota-bishops-will-reopen-public-masses-defy-state-order-19583
Minnesota bishops will reopen public Masses, defy state order
Look out the Catholics are revolting.
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https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/minnesota-bishops-will-reopen-public-masses-defy-state-order-19583Look out the Catholics are revolting.
“An order that sweeps so broadly that it prohibits, for example, a gathering of 11 people in a Cathedral with a seating capacity of several thousand defies reason,”
Says it all right there.
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Minnesota is allowing rstaurants & personal care to start June 1. Mask, 6ft apart, limit capacity, and other restrictions.
Biggest one, reservations required no drop in. Wonder how long big brother is making them keep the reservation list for. You know so we can trace the "virus"
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Minnesota is allowing rstaurants & personal care to start June 1. Mask, 6ft apart, limit capacity, and other restrictions.
Biggest one, reservations required no drop in. Wonder how long big brother is making them keep the reservation list for. You know so we can trace the "virus"
How does a reservation list control a virus?
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/minnesota-governor-restaurants-can-have-50-people-churches-just-10
On Wednesday, Minnesota’s Democratic governor unveiled the state’s new timeline for its “Stay Safe” plan, which includes the mandate that places of worship not be allowed to hold any types of services for more than 10 people — whether inside or outside — while simultaneously allowing restaurants to serve up to 50 customers at a time in outdoor dining areas.
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How does a reservation list control a virus?
Ask Himmler, Goebbels..........
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How does a reservation list control a virus?
You can never collect too much information on people...
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How does a reservation list control a virus?
We have to be able to trace everyone you ever came in contact. Trust us we are here to help.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
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How does a reservation list control a virus?
One possibility is that it avoids having lines waiting to get into the place.
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BTW, the latest ios for the iPhone includes an API for contact tracing apps.
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BTW, the latest ios for the iPhone includes an API for contact tracing apps.
oh wow... it's a shame that my iPhone has failed to update.... failed multiple times.
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BTW, the latest ios for the iPhone includes an API for contact tracing apps.
What could go wrong?
The app will need to make sure people are really infected, though — otherwise, a troll could cause chaos by falsely claiming to have COVID-19. We don’t know exactly how this will work. COVID-19 tests are currently administered by professionals and logged with health authorities, so perhaps Apple and Google could piggyback on that process to validate the tests. But it’s a huge issue, and they’ll need a satisfactory answer.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/10/21216715/apple-google-coronavirus-covid-19-contact-tracing-app-details-use
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What could go wrong?
gee, what are the many assumptions that this contact tracing app stuff has...
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How does a reservation list control a virus?
Our wonderful Governor said to today when ask that question, it was so we can do COVID tracing. Read that as you have no private life big brother knows all. Wonder how many John Doe reservations they will get now.
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Our wonderful Governor said to today when ask that question, it was so we can do COVID tracing. Read that as you have no private life big brother knows all. Wonder how many John Doe reservations they will get now.
Why are they so obsessed with this TRACING when it is not that deadly of a Virus and the vast majority of people that die from it are very old, in nursing homes and already dying from other ailments? This is the worst brainwashing of a society since Hitler.
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Why are they so obsessed with this TRACING when it is not that deadly of a Virus and the vast majority of people that die from it are very old, in nursing homes and already dying from other ailments? This is the worst brainwashing of a society since Hitler.
A use of tracing can be to provide data showing the outbreaks and, by extension, areas that are not seeing much infection (if any).
While I'm concerned (understatement) about the misuse of tracing data, I have this hope (pollyanna, I know) that the data can inform rational people that they don't need to live in fear.
Of course, as soon as the contact tracing data doesn't show widespread death, it'll get quietly ignored by the people inciting fear, panic, and chaos.
Any bets that contact tracing will be used to show the racial bias of COVID-19? or any other pet cause?
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A use of tracing can be to provide data showing the outbreaks and, by extension, areas that are not seeing much infection (if any).
While I'm concerned (understatement) about the misuse of tracing data, I have this hope (pollyanna, I know) that the data can inform rational people that they don't need to live in fear.
Of course, as soon as the contact tracing data doesn't show widespread death, it'll get quietly ignored by the people inciting fear, panic, and chaos.
Any bets that contact tracing will be used to show the racial bias of COVID-19? or any other pet cause?
I hope you are right and that the data shows the obvious over reaction to this Virus that society has allowed Government to install. My cynical view is that they will use cooked numbers to reinforce how bad this is or can be to justify this SCAM. In addition they will collect more sensitive information on people to be used for dubious purposes.
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We already know that the disease is mainly spread through “close contact”. That means both physically close and for a prolonged period of time. You do NOT get the disease from walking past someone in Walmart. The vast majority of cases are spread to family members, coworkers, healthcare providers and others that remain in close proximity for prolonged periods of time such as nursing home residents and prisoners.
This is fact. It can be spread among strangers but that is not typical, and does not justify the push to document every movement we make anywhere in public for the ostensible purpose of identifying everyone we incidentally crossed paths with to warn them of the “danger” they’re in. This unnecessarily spreads panic.
Traditional means of contact tracing such as interviewing a patient about his family, coworkers and other close relationships is all that is really needed. All the rest of this contact tracing, especially the Orwellian digital phone app, provides only a tiny marginal rate of return at an unacceptably huge cost: Fear. And potential future abuse by a corrupt government.
Having your phone ding whenever some unknown stranger you stood in line with at the checkout comes down with the disease serves no purpose except to keep fear and panic foremost in the minds of the public which will delay people getting back out and reopening the economy which will have far worse consequences that are not justified by the few actual cases transmitted by such casual incidental contact. But it does give the authorities a powerful new tracking tool that can be unleashed on us at any future time.
Whether you fear Trump will declare himself dictator, or the left will take over and turn us into a communist country, everyone should beware that. We will not be able to put that Genie back in the bottle. Did we learn nothing from the NSA cellphone data collection? Oh sure, we have the FISA court to safeguard constitutional rights, none of the NSA’s clients would dream of lying to the FISA court, right? Right?
But look at the large teams of “contact tracers” being hired, headed by some health agency bureaucrat, giving them a purpose and sense of power, what fun! If you can spend 90% to get the last 10% of return, go for it, it’s only taxpayers’ money. Why settle for 10% to get 90% of the way there when you can bloat your own budget, bloat your own ego, and develop a tool for total control of the sheeple while you’re at it.
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Any questions? It's science.
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Any questions? It's science.
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That must be fake news. ;D
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"Flatten the Curve" was a canard. More like Flatten the Economy to Flatten Trump.
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Any questions? It's science.
It is my understanding that it is normal to see a second outbreak/peak some time after the first one is contained.
And, 4 weeks is a little too early to declare victory.
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https://www.toddstarnes.com/faith/chicago-declares-church-a-public-nuisance-threatens-to-destroy-property/
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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/05/they_killed_everything_beautiful.html
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That must be fake news. ;D
Don't be a covid science denier
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There's a team in the UK working on a vaccine (there are lots of teams all over the world). This team says they may not get a vaccine because the virus cases are falling so fast.
https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/oxford-scientists-working-on-a-coronavirus-vaccine-say-there-is-now-only-a-50-chance-of-success-because-the-number-of-uk-cases-is-falling-too-quickly/articleshow/75941958.cms
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There's a team in the UK working on a vaccine (there are lots of teams all over the world). This team says they may not get a vaccine because the virus cases are falling so fast.
https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/oxford-scientists-working-on-a-coronavirus-vaccine-say-there-is-now-only-a-50-chance-of-success-because-the-number-of-uk-cases-is-falling-too-quickly/articleshow/75941958.cms
Hahaha!
They are in "a race against the virus disappearing, and against time,"
Translation:
Oh no! The virus might go away on it’s own before we get to make $billions from a vaccine!
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/study-suggests-majority-population-may-already-have-some-degree
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Heaven forbid we just have nature take its course and people develop immunity like most other viruses of this nature.
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/study-suggests-majority-population-may-already-have-some-degree
That link has a link to a CDC page
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
That page appears to being estimating the Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio, stratified by age in years, is between 0.2% to 1%, with the best estimate of 0.4%. Note that it is the Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio. It's my understanding that some people use a definition of Case Fatality Rate that isn't limited to only those with symptoms. I've lost track of whether the influenza CFR of 0.1% is a Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio or a Case Fatality Rate.
In any case, this would be good news, but let's not get too excited too early. It ain't over until it's over.
edit: for the CFR (either definition) to be that low, we'll have to see a lot more infections. Right now, the current number of deaths (97049) divided by the case count (1622114) gives a rough CFR of just under 6%. We'd need to see almost 12 times the number of infections than are currently reported.
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That link has a link to a CDC page
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
That page appears to being estimating the Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio, stratified by age in years, is between 0.2% to 1%, with the best estimate of 0.4%. Note that it is the Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio. It's my understanding that some people use a definition of Case Fatality Rate that isn't limited to only those with symptoms. I've lost track of whether the influenza CFR of 0.1% is a Symptomatic Case Fatality Ratio or a Case Fatality Rate.
In any case, this would be good news, but let's not get too excited too early. It ain't over until it's over.
edit: for the CFR (either definition) to be that low, we'll have to see a lot more infections. Right now, the current number of deaths (97049) divided by the case count (1622114) gives a rough CFR of just under 6%. We'd need to see almost 12 times the number of infections than are currently reported.
That’s right but preliminary antibody testing strongly suggests we do indeed have at least 12 times the infection rate. It’s not just asymptomatic cases but cases with symptoms so mild they never consulted a doctor.
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Horowitz: The CDC confirms remarkably low coronavirus death rate. Where is the media?
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-cdc-confirms-remarkably-low-coronavirus-death-rate-media/
Most people are more likely to wind up six feet under because of almost anything else under the sun other than COVID-19.
The CDC just came out with a report that should be earth-shattering to the narrative of the political class, yet it will go into the thick pile of vital data and information about the virus that is not getting out to the public. For the first time, the CDC has attempted to offer a real estimate of the overall death rate for COVID-19, and under its most likely scenario, the number is 0.26%. Officials estimate a 0.4% fatality rate among those who are symptomatic and project a 35% rate of asymptomatic cases among those infected, which drops the overall infection fatality rate (IFR) to just 0.26% — almost exactly where Stanford researchers pegged it a month ago.
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Horowitz: The CDC confirms remarkably low coronavirus death rate. Where is the media?
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-cdc-confirms-remarkably-low-coronavirus-death-rate-media/
More evidence of this total, and criminal over reaction.
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Horowitz: The CDC confirms remarkably low coronavirus death rate. Where is the media?
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/horowitz-cdc-confirms-remarkably-low-coronavirus-death-rate-media/
If reported, it'll be something like "CDC best estimate is that COVID-19 is FOUR TIMES MORE DEADLY than Influenza"