PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on May 24, 2020, 09:52:05 AM
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We have the most important election of our lifetime coming up in November, and not just the presidential election. Every congressional, senate, governor and state legislature, as well as mayoral election is important. We’ve been given a preview of where we are heading. Time to wake up and take this country back.
Picture this: January 20, 2021 Joe Biden becomes the 46th President and takes office with VP Stacy Abrams. The house elects Speaker Ocasio-Cortez and the senate Majority Leader Chuck Shumer takes control.
Not long afterwards, President Biden steps down due to the 25th amendment and his declining mental health. President Abrams’ is sworn in.
Now, replace the word “virus” with “climate change”. A national emergency is declared, and lockdowns begin to combat “climate change”. All autos are ordered off the roads (except for elites). Businesses are shut down for being “non-essential”.
Congress enacts a new bill to cover the crisis, which includes single payer healthcare, nationalizing all energy businesses, nationalizing all banks, nationalizing all grocery retailers. In addition the new bill will now provide “universal income”. Also, all citizens will be given ration cards for food.
This crisis will be backed by academics who will tell us the science of all of this, and how if we don’t go down this course we will all die. Government bureaucrats will back them up. We will be told “this is for your safety”.
Churches are ordered closed. Anyone speaking out will be shut down immediately. Also, all media will have to be approved, and all internet providers will be nationalized, and have an entire government department created to control all content. The Chinese will provide the software.
As the country struggles to find funds, all retirement savings accounts will be seized with a promise of “retirement for all”. Everyone will be issued credits to get a small portion of savings.
Think this can’t happen? You have just witnessed the dry run, and it was amazingly successful for the leftist. All they need now is the senate and WH.
Oh, and they need half the voting population to sit out yet another election.
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Alternatively Biden wins Amy K is vp. Not much really changes. Clinton bush obama and trump and there have been no sweeping cultural economic or spiritual changes brought about by any one party.
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Are you Fulkin Kidding!
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Alternatively Biden wins Amy K is vp. Not much really changes. Clinton bush obama and trump and there have been no sweeping cultural economic or spiritual changes brought about by any one party.
You’re delusional.
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Alternatively Biden wins Amy K is vp. Not much really changes. Clinton bush obama and trump and there have been no sweeping cultural economic or spiritual changes brought about by any one party.
Except SCOTUS appointments, Trade Deals, Energy Policy, BORDER POLICY, Illegal Alien gift programs, etc. That's what you will get with Klobuchar ALL wrapped in the Green New Deal! Can you imagine more Ginsburgs, Sotomayors and Kagans! NO!!!! >:(
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/boom-trump-approval-up-to-42-with-black-males-makes-2020-election-impossible-for-democrats/
That article was from back in October and who knows what the “pandemic” will do, but I find it hard to believe that a Blexit person would revert, if you listen to their stories.
What they are figuring out is that they’ve been reflexively voting D but when they realize their own values are more aligned with Trump (not necessarily the Republican Party) their eyes are open. I don’t think this virus is going to close them again.
If this happens as this article suggests, the Democrat party is in very deep trouble.
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That sounds like hell on earth, Lucifer. Are you worried it competes with your abode?
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Alternatively Biden wins Amy K is vp. Not much really changes. Clinton bush obama and trump and there have been no sweeping cultural economic or spiritual changes brought about by any one party.
There are times I think you are blinded by your willingness to rationalize anything, and others when I think you are a classic troll.
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Alternatively Biden wins Amy K is vp. Not much really changes. Clinton bush obama and trump and there have been no sweeping cultural economic or spiritual changes brought about by any one party.
One thing I'd agree with you about, at least up until the "You're not black" thing; Amy K is my guess for Biden's VP.
But with his latest attempted verbal suicide shot he will probably have to pick a black woman now.
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Alternatively Biden wins Amy K is vp. Not much really changes. Clinton bush obama and trump and there have been no sweeping cultural economic or spiritual changes brought about by any one party.
The Clintons were the first grifters to occupy the WH. They brought us the era of “political correctness”, which is just progressive speak for controlling free thought and speech.
GWB brought us even bigger government, and more endless wars. The establishment had full control and was pillaging the treasury.
BHO brought us the most corrupt administration in modern history. He weaponized various federal agencies, buried us deeper in debt and of course, marched us toward single payer healthcare. He opened our borders to import more terrorist, and he and his two SoS’s destroyed everything they touched in the ME.
Those 30 + years of cultural change that you ignore now have us in a precarious situation. If the dims wind up with both houses and the WH, we are done as a country. The last 3 years needs to be a wake up call.
No go back to watching your favorite sports. Everything is A-OK.
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Those 30 + years of cultural change that you ignore now have us in a precarious situation. If the dims wind up with both houses and the WH, we are done as a country. The last 3 years needs to be a wake up call.
Boy, you said it. We've all lived through this and seen it first hand. You're tight it really started with Clinton, maybe a tiny bit in GHWB. However, Clinton really ratcheted it up especially with the Gay pandering and other Social type changes. We an effing terrible three decades.
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After Biden's latest gaffes I'm about 50/50 on a brokered convention. Then all bets are off. Time will tell.
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After Biden's latest gaffes I'm about 50/50 on a brokered convention. Then all bets are off. Time will tell.
I still contend he’s not going to be the nominee.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1264550970115207169
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There are times I think you are blinded by your willingness to rationalize anything, and others when I think you are a classic troll.
On a macro level not a whole lot changes. Just running numbers from what we'll call the modern presidency Reagan to present. Looking at many metrics not a whole lot changes. HC cost per capita more or less follows the same trendline. Military spending had a spike in the mid 80s but has more or less leveled out 3-4% of GDP. Military engagements every 2-3 years that trend goes way back to ww2. Budget deficits as a percent of gdp run about 3-4% with spikes for the reagan buildup and the 08 depression and a giant spike for covid. Even immigration there wasn't a whole lot of deportations related to illegal immigration till Bush2, spiked under obama, and back down under trump. Federal taxation rates have remained almost the same for 40 years as a whole about a 1.1% variance, top 2 quintiles likewise. There is a slightly larger variance among the middle quintile peaking with reagan before dropping. GDP per capita outside of 84 and 09 hovers around 4% per annum. Even real median HH income doesn't follow a party line.
Theres a quote in the Bible from solomon along the lines of "there is nothing new under the sun" while I believe he meant it as a lament I kind of apply it to our system of government. Meet the new boss same as the old boss. The last 40 years have been remarkably stable. Even when the parties or courts change things semi drastically it generally seems to follow the cultural zeitgeist .
Not to say something crazy can't happen, look at wilson, roosevelt, or some of the corrupt scandals from the 1800s 1900s but in the end things worked themselves out. Politics today is remarkably stable and slow changing despite what the new national religion of politics seems to portray.
So if we get a Biden presidency yes some things will change but the big picture not so much.
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When I look at the sudden and destructive changes in our liberty and freedoms under obama, I see the potential for permanently destructive ending of things the radical left hates under a lunatic lefty such as abrams, klochobar, or whitmer.
We would say goodbye to homeschooling, parental choices in education, forced immunization, voting integrity, free speech, religious rights, private property, personal wealth and a host of other current freedoms under attack from the jealous and hateful democrats.
That is a lot that could disappear, just like how quickly personal decision making in the area of health insurance vanished under the criminal obama regime.
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On a macro level not a whole lot changes. Just running numbers from what we'll call the modern presidency Reagan to present. Looking at many metrics not a whole lot changes. HC cost per capita more or less follows the same trendline. Military spending had a spike in the mid 80s but has more or less leveled out 3-4% of GDP. Military engagements every 2-3 years that trend goes way back to ww2. Budget deficits as a percent of gdp run about 3-4% with spikes for the reagan buildup and the 08 depression and a giant spike for covid. Even immigration there wasn't a whole lot of deportations related to illegal immigration till Bush2, spiked under obama, and back down under trump. Federal taxation rates have remained almost the same for 40 years as a whole about a 1.1% variance, top 2 quintiles likewise. There is a slightly larger variance among the middle quintile peaking with reagan before dropping. GDP per capita outside of 84 and 09 hovers around 4% per annum. Even real median HH income doesn't follow a party line.
Theres a quote in the Bible from solomon along the lines of "there is nothing new under the sun" while I believe he meant it as a lament I kind of apply it to our system of government. Meet the new boss same as the old boss. The last 40 years have been remarkably stable. Even when the parties or courts change things semi drastically it generally seems to follow the cultural zeitgeist .
Not to say something crazy can't happen, look at wilson, roosevelt, or some of the corrupt scandals from the 1800s 1900s but in the end things worked themselves out. Politics today is remarkably stable and slow changing despite what the new national religion of politics seems to portray.
So if we get a Biden presidency yes some things will change but the big picture not so much.
Bill Clinton pointed us in the direction of free health care, big government and the acceptance of scandal in government as normal (No one ever accepted Nixon's shenannigans).
Bush (II) continued the expansion the size of the government.
Obama took all of those things and expanded them to new levels that we would never have thought possible.
If Hillary had won then we would have seen our economy cross the tipping point.
So in a way you are right. Government hasn't really changed much over the long haul but that is because trump won and erased some of the "transformation" of America that Obama tried to implement. But we are not where we want to be yet and if he loses come November we will find ourselves in a socialist spiral and become just a failed experiment and join the rest of the pack and allow ourselves to be dominated by countries with stronger will than us, like China, Russia and Iran.
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On a macro level not a whole lot changes. Just running numbers from what we'll call the modern presidency Reagan to present. Looking at many metrics not a whole lot changes. HC cost per capita more or less follows the same trendline. Military spending had a spike in the mid 80s but has more or less leveled out 3-4% of GDP. Military engagements every 2-3 years that trend goes way back to ww2. Budget deficits as a percent of gdp run about 3-4% with spikes for the reagan buildup and the 08 depression and a giant spike for covid. Even immigration there wasn't a whole lot of deportations related to illegal immigration till Bush2, spiked under obama, and back down under trump. Federal taxation rates have remained almost the same for 40 years as a whole about a 1.1% variance, top 2 quintiles likewise. There is a slightly larger variance among the middle quintile peaking with reagan before dropping. GDP per capita outside of 84 and 09 hovers around 4% per annum. Even real median HH income doesn't follow a party line.
Theres a quote in the Bible from solomon along the lines of "there is nothing new under the sun" while I believe he meant it as a lament I kind of apply it to our system of government. Meet the new boss same as the old boss. The last 40 years have been remarkably stable. Even when the parties or courts change things semi drastically it generally seems to follow the cultural zeitgeist .
Not to say something crazy can't happen, look at wilson, roosevelt, or some of the corrupt scandals from the 1800s 1900s but in the end things worked themselves out. Politics today is remarkably stable and slow changing despite what the new national religion of politics seems to portray.
So if we get a Biden presidency yes some things will change but the big picture not so much.
Things remained relatively stable because free market capitalism was the basic system, even under the Democrats. Economic collectivism was implemented only in certain areas and in a limited fashion and the traditional establishment Democrat was never a full fledged economic collectivist. If they had idealistic leanings in that direction, they were not able to implement it.
What we see now that’s different than ever before, is the Democrat party taken over by radical leftists, and by that I’m not referring to identity politics or social liberalism. I’m referring to economic collectivism: Forced redistribution of wealth, power and land on a mass scale. A large part of the Democrat party now embraces this.
We have not had this til now. In the 60s there was an importation of “neo-modernists” (re-packaged Marxism) into the universities. The kids taught by those professors are now mature and have jobs in government and the DNC, and the young generations since have been taught that the U.S. free market system is exploitive and evil, while not being taught the evils of Stalin, Mao, and Kim Il-sung, so those who would vote for extreme forced economic collectivism are no longer a fringe minority.
This was never the case even as late as 2008. Obama dared not run on an openly socialist platform, but in 2020 when Bernie Sanders did, he almost beat out Biden, and when he dropped out, he actually announced publicly that Biden would implement his own socialist agenda.
This is not the so-called socialism of Western European countries, with their universal healthcare propped up by an underlying capitalism. What Sanders and radicals like Warren want is to do away with capitalism completely. Or more accurately, put themselves in complete control of it. There were early hints that the Democrat party was headed in this direction. Back when Billary was in the White House, Mrs. Clinton announced that the government should nationalize the gas industry, and of course there is her infamous healthcare plan.
That’s what they do: “Plan” the economy. In her case she was starting with just portions of it, but when you want to control all of it, it’s called a “planned economy” (economic collectivism) and what it means is simply this: We know better than you how to run things. We will design the economy from top down and force it on all you little people.
For the first time ever in our history there is the possibility that such people will take over and try to implement massive redistribution of wealth, power and land. Of course this is always sold to the public as redistributing it to the little people but it always is actually redistributed to them, throwing just enough crumbs to the little people to keep them docile. Even so it requires restrictions on liberties such as the first and second amendments.
Trump caught and reversed the slide into leftism which is the real reason he is so hated, while the public is told fake reasons such as he’s a racist and so on.
So yes, this year’s election is different from all others, and the turning point in our history. The left is desperate to never again lose the momentum they had prior to Trump. If they win this year, you can expect rapid, extreme measures to secure all future elections. There will be a large push to abolish the electoral college, open up the borders, give convicted felons the vote, and permanently allow absentee voting.
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Things remained relatively stable because free market capitalism was the basic system, even under the Democrats. Economic collectivism was implemented only in certain areas and in a limited fashion and the traditional establishment Democrat was never a full fledged economic collectivist. If they had idealistic leanings in that direction, they were not able to implement it.
What we see now that’s different than ever before, is the Democrat party taken over by radical leftists, and by that I’m not referring to identity politics or social liberalism. I’m referring to economic collectivism: Forced redistribution of wealth, power and land on a mass scale. A large part of the Democrat party now embraces this.
We have not had this til now. In the 60s there was an importation of “neo-modernists” (re-packaged Marxism) into the universities. The kids taught by those professors are now mature and have jobs in government and the DNC, and the young generations since have been taught that the U.S. free market system is exploitive and evil, while not being taught the evils of Stalin, Mao, and Kim Il-sung, so those who would vote for extreme forced economic collectivism are no longer a fringe minority.
This was never the case even as late as 2008. Obama dared not run on an openly socialist platform, but in 2020 when Bernie Sanders did, he almost beat out Biden, and when he dropped out, he actually announced publicly that Biden would implement his own socialist agenda.
This is not the so-called socialism of Western European countries, with their universal healthcare propped up by an underlying capitalism. What Sanders and radicals like Warren want is to do away with capitalism completely. Or more accurately, put themselves in complete control of it. There were early hints that the Democrat party was headed in this direction. Back when Billary was in the White House, Mrs. Clinton announced that the government should nationalize the gas industry, and of course there is her infamous healthcare plan.
That’s what they do: “Plan” the economy. In her case she was starting with just portions of it, but when you want to control all of it, it’s called a “planned economy” (economic collectivism) and what it means is simply this: We know better than you how to run things. We will design the economy from top down and force it on all you little people.
For the first time ever in our history there is the possibility that such people will take over and try to implement massive redistribution of wealth, power and land. Of course this is always sold to the public as redistributing it to the little people but it always is actually redistributed to them, throwing just enough crumbs to the little people to keep them docile. Even so it requires restrictions on liberties such as the first and second amendments.
Trump caught and reversed the slide into leftism which is the real reason he is so hated, while the public is told fake reasons such as he’s a racist and so on.
So yes, this year’s election is different from all others, and the turning point in our history. The left is desperate to never again lose the momentum they had prior to Trump. If they win this year, you can expect rapid, extreme measures to secure all future elections. There will be a large push to abolish the electoral college, open up the borders, give convicted felons the vote, and permanently allow absentee voting.
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THIS!
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Things remained relatively stable because free market capitalism was the basic system, even under the Democrats. Economic collectivism was implemented only in certain areas and in a limited fashion and the traditional establishment Democrat was never a full fledged economic collectivist. If they had idealistic leanings in that direction, they were not able to implement it.
What we see now that’s different than ever before, is the Democrat party taken over by radical leftists, and by that I’m not referring to identity politics or social liberalism. I’m referring to economic collectivism: Forced redistribution of wealth, power and land on a mass scale. A large part of the Democrat party now embraces this.
We have not had this til now. In the 60s there was an importation of “neo-modernists” (re-packaged Marxism) into the universities. The kids taught by those professors are now mature and have jobs in government and the DNC, and the young generations since have been taught that the U.S. free market system is exploitive and evil, while not being taught the evils of Stalin, Mao, and Kim Il-sung, so those who would vote for extreme forced economic collectivism are no longer a fringe minority.
This was never the case even as late as 2008. Obama dared not run on an openly socialist platform, but in 2020 when Bernie Sanders did, he almost beat out Biden, and when he dropped out, he actually announced publicly that Biden would implement his own socialist agenda.
This is not the so-called socialism of Western European countries, with their universal healthcare propped up by an underlying capitalism. What Sanders and radicals like Warren want is to do away with capitalism completely. Or more accurately, put themselves in complete control of it. There were early hints that the Democrat party was headed in this direction. Back when Billary was in the White House, Mrs. Clinton announced that the government should nationalize the gas industry, and of course there is her infamous healthcare plan.
That’s what they do: “Plan” the economy. In her case she was starting with just portions of it, but when you want to control all of it, it’s called a “planned economy” (economic collectivism) and what it means is simply this: We know better than you how to run things. We will design the economy from top down and force it on all you little people.
For the first time ever in our history there is the possibility that such people will take over and try to implement massive redistribution of wealth, power and land. Of course this is always sold to the public as redistributing it to the little people but it always is actually redistributed to them, throwing just enough crumbs to the little people to keep them docile. Even so it requires restrictions on liberties such as the first and second amendments.
Trump caught and reversed the slide into leftism which is the real reason he is so hated, while the public is told fake reasons such as he’s a racist and so on.
So yes, this year’s election is different from all others, and the turning point in our history. The left is desperate to never again lose the momentum they had prior to Trump. If they win this year, you can expect rapid, extreme measures to secure all future elections. There will be a large push to abolish the electoral college, open up the borders, give convicted felons the vote, and permanently allow absentee voting.
Well said and accurate! Yes the Democrats are different now. Full blown Communists with a twist. A nod towards continued Capitalism. They call it Democratic Socialism which is an Oxymoron as we all know. They use Man Made Climate Change and now this other crisis of this virus to implement more. The Green New Deal is ALL about Income and Wealth redistribution and Social and Economic "Justice". Ha! Justice.
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So if we get a Biden presidency yes some things will change but the big picture not so much.
Apathy will not help improve the situation.
Are you looking for anything to get better or are you satisfied with the status quo?
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Apathy will not help improve the situation.
Are you looking for anything to get better or are you satisfied with the status quo?
I generally believe things have gotten better since i was born, gun rights massively expanded and recognized as an individual right, gay marriage came in without the craziness predicted by some, free speech continues to be solidly protected, quality of life continues upward both in monetary terms and access to tech.
If Biden becomes president there will probably be some wins and losses. Look at the bright side privacy protections will probably expand, maybe some of the protectionism will drop off, maybe some pushback on the corporate socialism (or at least picking different winners and losers), democratic nominated judges have typically been better on 4th and 1st amendment issues(outside of my boy scalia). The FCC might actually do some good. Some consumer protections might expand. There will be some "losses" environmental regs will change likely, there might be an expansion of the push towards social programs but thats parr for the course since the 1910s
There seems to be this undercurrent in politics that both sides believe they are losing when it doesn't seem to be the case. I don't know if its a rally the troops thing or if we just naturally latch on to negative news.
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I generally believe things have gotten better since i was born, gun rights massively expanded and recognized as an individual right,
Odd, I've watched gun rights become more restrictive, with even more gun laws on the books than ever before. When I was in High School is was not uncommon for kids to drive their truck to school with a gun hanging in the gun rack. Do that today and the police will have the truck surrounded by a SWAT team.
free speech continues to be solidly protected,
Pay attention to big tech? If free speech were protected, they sure go to an awful lot of trouble censoring anyone they oppose.
As for the "lockdown", people who tried to use free speech and the right to peacefully assemble were arrested. As we speak, people are being restricted from religious worship.
quality of life continues upward both in monetary terms and access to tech.
Right up to the point someone in government yells "pandemic" and then the government shuts down lawful businesses and takes away people's rights to work.
If Biden becomes president there will probably be some wins and losses. Look at the bright side privacy protections will probably expand, maybe some of the protectionism will drop off, maybe some pushback on the corporate socialism (or at least picking different winners and losers),
Are you shitting me? Privacy protections? From a guy who was involved in spying on private citizens using the government?
Pushback on corporate socialism? Biden? :o
democratic nominated judges have typically been better on 4th and 1st amendment issues(outside of my boy scalia).
Democratic nominated judges tend to be activist and want to legislate from the bench.
The FCC might actually do some good.
As far as?
Some consumer protections might expand. There will be some "losses" environmental regs will change likely, there might be an expansion of the push towards social programs but thats parr for the course since the 1910s
Again, have you paid any attention to the past 30 years? How about the past 11 years? We had BHO and his "fundamental transformation" who tried to saddle us with single payer healthcare, and greatly inflated the welfare roles.
There seems to be this undercurrent in politics that both sides believe they are losing when it doesn't seem to be the case. I don't know if its a rally the troops thing or if we just naturally latch on to negative news.
We have a congress that's filled with leftist progressives wanting to push such wild deals as the "Green New Deal". Go read up on it.
Never in my lifetime would I have imagined the progressives getting such a stronghold in the democrat party. The democrat party of today doesn't even resemble the democrat party 40 years ago. JFK would be considered a conservative by the new standards.
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The senile presumptive presidential nominee seems interested in gretchie whitmer as his running mate.
She is the one that banned ALL church services while leaving gay bathhouses and abortion clinics open.
If falcon thinks that is moving toward betterment, then he needs a new drug test.
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The senile presumptive presidential nominee seems interested in gretchie whitmer as his running mate.
She is the one that banned ALL church services while leaving gay bathhouses and abortion clinics open.
If falcon thinks that is moving toward betterment, then he needs a new drug test.
I hope he picks her!
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The senile presumptive presidential nominee seems interested in gretchie whitmer as his running mate.
She is the one that banned ALL church services while leaving gay bathhouses and abortion clinics open.
If falcon thinks that is moving toward betterment, then he needs a new drug test.
I tried finding the bathhouse thing but the only thing I found was them shutting a gay club down for the covid thing. Abortion is a legal medical procedure so I'm not sure why they would shut those down, unless they are shutting down other doctors offices as well.
While courts generally defer to the state on issues of public health if the church service ban stays in place too long I imagine courts would intervene. So I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing so much as an opportunity for the system to work. State would likely lose and religious freedom would be further enshrined.
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While courts generally defer to the state on issues of public health if the church service ban stays in place too long I imagine courts would intervene. So I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing so much as an opportunity for the system to work. State would likely lose and religious freedom would be further enshrined.
I guess bending over and taking it is in the liberal playbook these days...
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I tried finding the bathhouse thing but the only thing I found was them shutting a gay club down for the covid thing. Abortion is a legal medical procedure so I'm not sure why they would shut those down, unless they are shutting down other doctors offices as well.
https://dcwhispers.com/what-democrat-governor-gretchen-whitmer-allows-gay-swingers-club-to-operate-while-barber-loses-license/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=what-democrat-governor-gretchen-whitmer-allows-gay-swingers-club-to-operate-while-barber-loses-license
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I tried finding the bathhouse thing but the only thing I found was them shutting a gay club down for the covid thing. Abortion is a legal medical procedure so I'm not sure why they would shut those down, unless they are shutting down other doctors offices as well.
While courts generally defer to the state on issues of public health if the church service ban stays in place too long I imagine courts would intervene. So I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing so much as an opportunity for the system to work. State would likely lose and religious freedom would be further enshrined.
Abortion Clinics were deemed as "essential", but anyone needing a cancer screening, a minor procedure or regular doctor visit? Nope, all deemed "non-essential".
Also, in Michigan Whitmer deemed a gay bathouse as essential while forcing other businesses closed.
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Abortion Clinics were deemed as "essential", but anyone needing a cancer screening, a minor procedure or regular doctor visit? Nope, all deemed "non-essential".
Also, in Michigan Whitmer deemed a gay bathouse as essential while forcing other businesses closed.
When government started picking winners and losers by selecting which businesses were "essential" and which were not, I knew it was a LEFTIST SCAM. Trump was unable to muzzle Fauci and other "experts" who promoted the scam response due to what the Media would have done to him. Also, the Democrat States promoted the scam with their own "experts". Some like with PA and DE were Far Left TRANNIES.
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When government started picking winners and losers by selecting which businesses were "essential" and which were not, I knew it was a LEFTIST SCAM. Trump was unable to muzzle Fauci and other "experts" who promoted the scam response due to what the Media would have done to him. Also, the Democrat States promoted the scam with their own "experts". Some like with PA and DE were Far Left TRANNIES.
Back to my original post. Replace "virus" with "climate change". We've all witnessed the dry run, and frankly the results were outstanding for the left.
Let those pricks gain control and watch.
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Back to my original post. Replace "virus" with "climate change". We've all witnessed the dry run, and frankly the results were outstanding for the left.
Let those pricks gain control and watch.
"Fear makes people more likely to do what they're told."
- Damien Echols, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajDU1VRKvUg
Both climate change and the response to this virus are designed for exactly that reason.
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"Fear makes people more likely to do what they're told."
- Damien Echols, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajDU1VRKvUg
Both climate change and the response to this virus are designed for exactly that reason.
The parallels of this Virus response to Man Made Climate Change are obvious and chilling. People are very easily brainwashed and indoctrinated by today's Media, Social Media, Entertainment and Government. The Societal Bullying and Virtue Signalling are huge. Eff them.
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https://dcwhispers.com/what-democrat-governor-gretchen-whitmer-allows-gay-swingers-club-to-operate-while-barber-loses-license/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=what-democrat-governor-gretchen-whitmer-allows-gay-swingers-club-to-operate-while-barber-loses-license
thats the one that was forced to
shutdown last week.
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Abortion Clinics were deemed as "essential", but anyone needing a cancer screening, a minor procedure or regular doctor visit? Nope, all deemed "non-essential".
Also, in Michigan Whitmer deemed a gay bathouse as essential while forcing other businesses closed.
So reading the old order there's a whole list of procedures and regular visits that were excluded. Cancer being one of them. Scrolling through it seems that only cosmetic procedures were banned. You could even get braces under the order since that was to restore function. Every section also has a caveat that a doctor can override it if it is to preserve the health and safety of a patient. You could even get cosmetic surgery if it was due to trauma.
That club was shut down last week after ignoring shutdown request.
I hate that im playing devils advocate for such policies but theres plenty of room for criticism without hyperbole.
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So reading the old order there's a whole list of procedures and regular visits that were excluded. Cancer being one of them. Scrolling through it seems that only cosmetic procedures were banned. You could even get braces under the order since that was to restore function. Every section also has a caveat that a doctor can override it if it is to preserve the health and safety of a patient. You could even get cosmetic surgery if it was due to trauma.
That club was shut down last week after ignoring shutdown request.
I hate that im playing devils advocate for such policies but theres plenty of room for criticism without hyperbole.
Nice game you're attempting to play, except it isn't working.
Your premise that yea, it was ordered, but now there are new orders........sorry, those original orders are what we are speaking about. Again, the government taking control, putting legitimate businesses closed and then allowing other businesses open was WRONG.
Case in point. Churches ordered closed. Yet big box retailer allowed to stay open. Please explain to everyone here how 500 people attending a worship service is bad, but 500 people at Walmart is OK? Explain why items are OK to sell at HomeDepot, but not OK to sell at Mom & Pop's Hardware?
And while the Michigan Governor was allowing a gay nightclub to operate, she was conversely attempting to shut down a barber for daring to make a living. That's a fact.
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So reading the old order there's a whole list of procedures and regular visits that were excluded. Cancer being one of them. Scrolling through it seems that only cosmetic procedures were banned. You could even get braces under the order since that was to restore function. Every section also has a caveat that a doctor can override it if it is to preserve the health and safety of a patient. You could even get cosmetic surgery if it was due to trauma.
That club was shut down last week after ignoring shutdown request.
I hate that im playing devils advocate for such policies but theres plenty of room for criticism without hyperbole.
There was a lot of misapplication and misunderstanding about this, plus a lot of people out of fear simply did not go for procedures. There is a doctor who said for example, one patient put off an "elective" gallbladder surgery, and ended up in the hospital with severe pancreatitis. That happens when your duct is blocked by a stone. Yet you can live years with stones in your gallbladder, which is why the surgery is supposedly "elective" but it's not really.
And even if something isn't banned, you can have a lot of trouble getting it done. If you are as blind as I am, glasses are a necessary thing and if you break them it's an urgent situation. Fixing broken glasses was not banned but it was difficult for me to get it done. The only optical place open was Walmart of course, and it was shut down except for fixing broken frames, so the single person manning it was not there, she was off restocking shelves elsewhere in the store. There were also signs that said they would only fix frames for "emergency personnel" meaning I suppose you had to be a police officer, EMT or fireman to get your glasses repaired. I guess the rest of us unnecessary people were expected to do without our glasses until the shutdown ended. As it happened someone finally showed up and did fix my frames, but the point is the mass confusion and chaos that happens when you do something like this: mandate a top down order from on high that has NO understanding of little people's lives and how things work in the real world.
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Here recently Nancy Pelosi and her staff crafted a $3 Trillion "relief bill". The bill was 1,800 pages long and by design, no one had time to read it.
It would have repealed parts of the Trump Tax cuts, released even more prisoners onto the streets, stopped the President from removing Inspector Generals, forgave student loans, $50 million for "environmental justice grants", enacted vote by mail nationally, more services for LGBT, Hate Crimes legislation, and would have extended the $600/week addition to unemployment benefits through next year. It would have subsidized pension systems in blue states that have drastically mismanaged their budgets.
It was so bad it was dubbed the "Liberal Wish List".
Who here doesn't believe that if the dims had the senate and the WH that this bill would now be law? It passed the house, only a republican held senate and WH stopped it.
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Here recently Nancy Pelosi and her staff crafted a $3 Trillion "relief bill". The bill was 1,800 pages long and by design, no one had time to read it.
It would have repealed parts of the Trump Tax cuts, released even more prisoners onto the streets, stopped the President from removing Inspector Generals, forgave student loans, $50 million for "environmental justice grants", enacted vote by mail nationally, more services for LGBT, Hate Crimes legislation, and would have extended the $600/week addition to unemployment benefits through next year. It would have subsidized pension systems in blue states that have drastically mismanaged their budgets.
It was so bad it was dubbed the "Liberal Wish List".
Who here doesn't believe that if the dims had the senate and the WH that this bill would now be law? It passed the house, only a republican held senate and WH stopped it.
Dear God.
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Dear God.
Exactly.
We just witnessed how the dims used a virus as a dry run to implement whatever they would want. Again, replace "virus" with "climate change" and tell me what would stop them from a top down "fundamental transformation" if they controlled both houses and the WH.
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Exactly.
We just witnessed how the dims used a virus as a dry run to implement whatever they would want. Again, replace "virus" with "climate change" and tell me what would stop them from a top down "fundamental transformation" if they controlled both houses and the WH.
The Democrat Party is currently CRIMINAL in their design and the policies they want to implement using this crisis as a tool. They are SO anti American and anti Constitution at this point, I don't see them ever turning it around. I don't know how else to put it. They are the ENEMY, pure and simple.
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Nice game you're attempting to play, except it isn't working.
Your premise that yea, it was ordered, but now there are new orders........sorry, those original orders are what we are speaking about. Again, the government taking control, putting legitimate businesses closed and then allowing other businesses open was WRONG.
Case in point. Churches ordered closed. Yet big box retailer allowed to stay open. Please explain to everyone here how 500 people attending a worship service is bad, but 500 people at Walmart is OK? Explain why items are OK to sell at HomeDepot, but not OK to sell at Mom & Pop's Hardware?
And while the Michigan Governor was allowing a gay nightclub to operate, she was conversely attempting to shut down a barber for daring to make a living. That's a fact.
I was going off the original march order, I guess if I was going off more recent ones they have eased up more. For the church thing their thinking is probably ability to social distance I know WM here limited number of people inside 6 ft stickers etc.
Mom and pop hardware stores are literally in the attached FAQ to the order as allowed... Even paint stores were allowed open.
There is plenty of criticism of the order and similar ones. My pet one was the landscaping ban but the system worked people complained and it got lifted.
From my reading the nightclub and associated retail outlet was never allowed to be open. It was hit with a CnD a few weeks ago which they ignored then the police delivered a 2nd one last week and they finally shut.
I'm all for criticism of shutdown orders and their arbitrary rules but lets not get all "fake news" to borrow the parlance of the day. Complain about barbers not being essential but don't say that "gay clubs are allowed" They received a CnD over a week before that PJ media article highlighted it.
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For the church thing their thinking is probably ability to social distance I know WM here limited number of people inside 6 ft stickers etc.
What part of the first amendment don't you understand? In one state, a pastor held a service in a parking lot, where everyone stayed in their cars and listened on the radio. The cops showed up and shut them down.
Illinois is still trying to keep churches closed. California is allowing services, but extremely limited. Chicago sent cops out Sunday to stop services from happening.
The part you are trying to conveniently ignore is the trampling of the Bill of Rights. The Constitution does not state "In the event of a virus, none of this counts".
You'll next counter with "But it's an emergency". Sorry, declared emergencies do not give governors the right to suspend the constitution. If they feel no one should be near another, that goes for everything, none of this "essential versus non essential" crap.
Mom and pop hardware stores are literally in the attached FAQ to the order as allowed... Even paint stores were allowed open.
In all 50 states?
There is plenty of criticism of the order and similar ones. My pet one was the landscaping ban but the system worked people complained and it got lifted.
Before how much damage was done?
From my reading the nightclub and associated retail outlet was never allowed to be open. It was hit with a CnD a few weeks ago which they ignored then the police delivered a 2nd one last week and they finally shut.
I'm all for criticism of shutdown orders and their arbitrary rules but lets not get all "fake news" to borrow the parlance of the day. Complain about barbers not being essential but don't say that "gay clubs are allowed" They received a CnD over a week before that PJ media article highlighted it.
https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/walton-and-johnson/content/2020-05-21-michigan-deems-gay-swingers-club-to-be-essential-but-not-elderly-barber/
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It is May 26. Lockdown began March 8.
In my state, Washington:
ALL RETAIL except big box grocery, drug and hardware stores STILL CLOSED. All RESTAURANTS STILL CLOSED except those adapting to do takeout only. HAIR AND NAIL SALONS, GYMS ... STILL CLOSED.
Dentists opened only last week. Garden centers opened if located outdoors.
Our cases here on the east side of Washington state have NOWHERE NEAR approached those on the other side. One of our counties has ZERO cases.
I’m perplexed as to why the small stores (antiques, books, home decor, etc.) which, when I visited them, never had more than three or four people browsing, if that, could not have reopened or stayed open, with metered foot traffic and distancing, but the giant stores where hundreds shop stayed open all along.
We are now seeing the demise of businesses, including one of my favorite stores that’s been here 46 years.
My idiot Democrat governor, Inslee, is dragging his political pussy feet while businesses die. What are we all going to do differently next month that we’re not doing right now? NOTHING. So open. Now.
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It is May 26. Lockdown began March 8.
In my state, Washington:
ALL RETAIL except big box grocery, drug and hardware stores STILL CLOSED. All RESTAURANTS STILL CLOSED except those adapting to do takeout only. HAIR AND NAIL SALONS, GYMS ... STILL CLOSED.
Dentists opened only last week. Garden centers opened if located outdoors.
Our cases here on the east side of Washington state have NOWHERE NEAR approached those on the other side. One of our counties has ZERO cases.
I’m perplexed as to why the small stores (antiques, books, home decor, etc.) which, when I visited them, never had more than three or four people browsing, if that, could not have reopened or stayed open, with metered foot traffic and distancing, but the giant stores where hundreds shop stayed open all along.
We are now seeing the demise of businesses, including one of my favorite stores that’s been here 46 years.
My idiot Democrat governor, Inslee, is dragging his political pussy feet while businesses die. What are we all going to do differently next month that we’re not doing right now? NOTHING. So open. Now.
This! It’s as if the governors are being paid off by big box stores. Help us destroy what’s left of mom and pop!
In retrospect history will show this to be one of the most egregious TRUE classist things the political class has ever done.
In the 60s it was the Democrats defending little people against “Big Business”. Look what they’ve become. Fucking traitors to their own cause.
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I was going off the original march order, I guess if I was going off more recent ones they have eased up more. For the church thing their thinking is probably ability to social distance I know WM here limited number of people inside 6 ft stickers etc.
Mom and pop hardware stores are literally in the attached FAQ to the order as allowed... Even paint stores were allowed open.
There is plenty of criticism of the order and similar ones. My pet one was the landscaping ban but the system worked people complained and it got lifted.
From my reading the nightclub and associated retail outlet was never allowed to be open. It was hit with a CnD a few weeks ago which they ignored then the police delivered a 2nd one last week and they finally shut.
I'm all for criticism of shutdown orders and their arbitrary rules but lets not get all "fake news" to borrow the parlance of the day. Complain about barbers not being essential but don't say that "gay clubs are allowed" They received a CnD over a week before that PJ media article highlighted it.
You LITERALLY can rationalize anything.
There was a clown on another pilot board name harry, who could rationalize anything - including child sexual abuse, but you are even better at closing your eyes and making excuses.
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THIS!
I think the moderators should do a search of PS to see how many of these ^^^^^ things are attributed to Rush’s posts. I think she wins the prize.
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I think the moderators should do a search of PS to see how many of these ^^^^^ things are attributed to Rush’s posts. I think she wins the prize.
^^^^^^This! Oh wait.......
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I tried finding the bathhouse thing but the only thing I found was them shutting a gay club down for the covid thing. Abortion is a legal medical procedure so I'm not sure why they would shut those down, unless they are shutting down other doctors offices as well.
While courts generally defer to the state on issues of public health if the church service ban stays in place too long I imagine courts would intervene. So I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing so much as an opportunity for the system to work. State would likely lose and religious freedom would be further enshrined.
Under what rock have you been hiding?
Have you not heard of massive healthcare layoffs because virtually all non-Covid services (colonoscopies, mammograms, cancer screenings, cardiac tests, etc) were deemed non-essential, while abortions was deemed essential?
Did you not hear of the 30,000 layoffs at Mayo Clinic alone?
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I think the moderators should do a search of PS to see how many of these ^^^^^ things are attributed to Rush’s posts. I think she wins the prize.
Awwww 🥰
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What part of the first amendment don't you understand? In one state, a pastor held a service in a parking lot, where everyone stayed in their cars and listened on the radio. The cops showed up and shut them down.
Illinois is still trying to keep churches closed. California is allowing services, but extremely limited. Chicago sent cops out Sunday to stop services from happening.
The part you are trying to conveniently ignore is the trampling of the Bill of Rights. The Constitution does not state "In the event of a virus, none of this counts".
You'll next counter with "But it's an emergency". Sorry, declared emergencies do not give governors the right to suspend the constitution. If they feel no one should be near another, that goes for everything, none of this "essential versus non essential" crap.
In all 50 states?
Before how much damage was done?
https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/walton-and-johnson/content/2020-05-21-michigan-deems-gay-swingers-club-to-be-essential-but-not-elderly-barber/
Bingo. Spot on.
Falcon, have you read the first Amendment?
I presume not, so read this:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
That’s it. There are no exceptions because people are sick, or if governors want to arbitrarily and capriciously shut down churches “for safety of the people.”
The free exercise clause is absolute. At least until 2020 apparently.
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Bingo. Spot on.
Falcon, have you read the first Amendment?
I presume not, so read this:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
That’s it. There are no exceptions because people are sick, or if governors want to arbitrarily and capriciously shut down churches “for safety of the people.”
The free exercise clause is absolute. At least until 2020 apparently.
That doesn't stop government on every level from violating it. The Second Amendment says "Shall not be infringed" yet we have 22,000 laws that are Infringements already on the books and they want MORE. >:(
I think there needs to be law suits brought against every State for violating the 1A and 2A.
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Bingo. Spot on.
Falcon, have you read the first Amendment?
I presume not, so read this:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
That’s it. There are no exceptions because people are sick, or if governors want to arbitrarily and capriciously shut down churches “for safety of the people.”
The free exercise clause is absolute. At least until 2020 apparently.
In massachusetts, the governor's emergency orders don't apply to the legislature or the courts... hmmmm. Can anyone think of why not? If so, can you explain how the governor has the authority to close Church buildings?
Having said that, the US Constitution is not a suicide pact.
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Having said that, the US Constitution is not a suicide pact.
Just a note on that last sentence:
It’s a repudiation of Patrick Henry’s “Give me liberty or give me death.”
It’s a confirmation of Bertrand Russell’s “Better Red than dead.”
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Just a note on that last sentence:
It’s a repudiation of Patrick Henry’s “Give me liberty or give me death.”
It’s a confirmation of Bertrand Russell’s “Better Red than dead.”
Doesn't anyone recognize where I got "the US Constitution is not a suicide pact"?
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Doesn't anyone recognize where I got "the US Constitution is not a suicide pact"?
There’s a whole wikipedia entry on the phrase that I reviewed before posting my reply.
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There’s a whole wikipedia entry on the phrase that I reviewed before posting my reply.
interesting.
I pulled it from a Tom Clancy novel ("Executive Orders") where the character President Ryan orders a complete lockdown of the country in response to bioweapon attack (Ebola).
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interesting.
I pulled it from a Tom Clancy novel ("Executive Orders") where the character President Ryan orders a complete lockdown of the country in response to bioweapon attack (Ebola).
Well a bioweapon attack is an act of war and a national emergency. The FLU isn't.
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interesting.
I pulled it from a Tom Clancy novel ("Executive Orders") where the character President Ryan orders a complete lockdown of the country in response to bioweapon attack (Ebola).
Interesting. Wikipedians often seem to note notable appearances of things like that in works of fiction, but at this time they failed to mention Clancy’s use in this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Constitution_is_not_a_suicide_pact)
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In massachusetts, the governor's emergency orders don't apply to the legislature or the courts... hmmmm. Can anyone think of why not? If so, can you explain how the governor has the authority to close Church buildings?
Having said that, the US Constitution is not a suicide pact.
I’ve read your origins of that term below. But I’ve heard it used once or twice this year. Incorrectly I might add.
Since the Constitution doesn’t grant rights, but it prevents government from infringing on natural, God-given rights, any infringement on them is unlawful. Period. And yes Anthony, I’ll join you in your lawsuit against every government that has a gun law.
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https://justthenews.com/government/congress/bill-study-reparations-slave-descendants-will-pass-house-cbc-chair-predicts
Rep. Shiela Jackson Lee (D-Texas) has introduced the Commission to Study and Develop Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act, which would establish a committee to "examine slavery and discrimination in the colonies and the United States from 1619 to the present and recommend appropriate remedies."
The bill currently has 127 Democratic co-sponsors including Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, New York; Ilhan Omar, Minnesota, and House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Jerry Nadler, New York.
Bass said she is not sure, at this time, whether the reparations bill will be included in the final comprehensive legislation that Democratic leaders are working on related to the issue of police brutality.
"I know the broad strokes and we are looking at that but I do believe that it [reparations bill] will be voted on out of committee and hopefully out of the House before the session concludes," she said.
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https://justthenews.com/government/congress/bill-study-reparations-slave-descendants-will-pass-house-cbc-chair-predicts
I wonder if Native Americans can get reparations.
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Only $14 trillion...............
https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/robert-johnson-reparations-bet-george-floyd
BET co-founder Robert L. Johnson called for $14 trillion in reparations for every descendant of African American slaves as "atonement" on Monday following the death of George Floyd.
"Is $14 trillion too much to ask for the atonement of 200 plus years of brutal slavery, de facto and de jure government-sponsored social and economic discrimination and the permanent emotional trauma inflicted upon black Americans by being forced to believe in a hypocritical and unfulfilled pledge that 'all men are created equal'?" Johnson said in a statement.
His press release included a link to a paper that advocates for $350,767 for every black person in the U.S. Johnson advocated for direct cash payments over the next 10 to 20 years.
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Is anyone going after the people that captured and sold the "slaves"?
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Is anyone going after the people that captured and sold the "slaves"?
Let's discuss how those slaves were captured in Africa. Let's discuss how the fellow Africans sold people into slavery. Let's discuss how slavery still goes on today, and is mostly found among the Islamic world.
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While we are at it, let's discuss how to punish people who weren't even alive when the alleged acts occurred.
Will the reparations take money from people who immigrated to the USA after slavery ended?
Will the reparations be given to people who came to the USA after slavery ended?
Let's not think about fairness and actual guilt... let's go for "symbolism".
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While we are at it, let's discuss how to punish people who weren't even alive when the alleged acts occurred.
Will the reparations take money from people who immigrated to the USA after slavery ended?
Will the reparations be given to people who came to the USA after slavery ended?
Let's not think about fairness and actual guilt... let's go for "symbolism".
Both sides of my family came here as small children in the 1880's and 1890's well after slavery ended. Most of the Europeans and other emigrated here after the turn of the Century (1900 not 2000). So most Americans were not only NOT ALIVE but their ancestors weren't even here yet.
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Both sides of my family came here as small children in the 1880's and 1890's well after slavery ended. Most of the Europeans and other emigrated here after the turn of the Century (1900 not 2000). So most Americans were not only NOT ALIVE but their ancestors weren't even here yet.
Doesn't matter.
Do you believe these reparation proponents will go to the various African Nations and demand reparations from them? It was their (African) countrymen that sold these people into slavery.
How about the Chinese? Many Chinese were sold into slavery and brought to the US. How about the Mexicans? How about (insert name of country)?
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What about all the actual Nazis who were brought here as prisoners of war? Aren't they owed something?
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