Post by: Ron22 on June 25, 2020, 06:54:53 PM
Not even sure what to say anymore.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Post by: Number7 on June 25, 2020, 07:26:48 PM
Liberals are stupid, lazy, parasitic, whiners, who think they are entitled to be given everything they can think to want because mommy said they were special.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 25, 2020, 07:53:15 PM
At the time of this post there are just under 1700 signatures to the change.org petition. But it would accomplish nothing regardless of how many people signed.
The current complaint is about the third stanza that denigrates some who fought with the British during the war of 1812. But nobody sings past the first stanza anymore and subsequent stanzas were likely overlooked by proponents when the song was officially made the national anthem in 1931. The statute doesn’t designate any particular version of the song as official (statute is here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/36/301))
While I’ve never been a fan of the tune, the first stanza sentiment is just fine IMHO. Never paid attention to the remaining stanzas, as I imagine most others have not either, so almost hardly a man is now alive who would revel in any taint of racism it might have ever had.
I have seen proposals to replace it with America the Beautiful (it seems that was a strong contender when Key’s song was chosen) and based on criteria having nothing to do with racism I’d consider that a reasonable replacement. But on account of racism? That’s an absurd justification IMHO.
Post by: Little Joe on June 26, 2020, 04:28:06 AM
For one thing, why should we have a National Anthem that nobody can sing properly and nobody knows all the words to?
America the Beautiful would be a good second choice.
Post by: bflynn on June 26, 2020, 07:08:07 AM
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Post by: nddons on June 26, 2020, 07:23:06 AM
"Above the fruited plane" is triggering and offensive. No plane is fruited. Well, maybe Cirrus.Lol. I see what you did there.
Post by: nddons on June 26, 2020, 07:28:07 AM
To be honest, other than the spirit of pride and patriotism I feel when singing or listening to it, I have never particularly liked the song. So I wouldn't be opposed to changing something that has only been recognized as the Star Spangled Banner for less than 100 years. If we were to change it, I sort of like "This land is your land".Oh good. A song by the Communist Woody Guthrie.
For one thing, why should we have a National Anthem that nobody can sing properly and nobody knows all the words to?
America the Beautiful would be a good second choice.
Read the lyrics, like this one:
Was a high wall there that tried to stop me
A sign was painted said: Private Property
But on the back side it didn’t say nothing
This land was made for you and me
Post by: Lucifer on June 26, 2020, 07:31:43 AM
So let's look at the following songs:
Fuck Wit Dre Day
A Nigga Witta Gun
For All My Niggaz and Bitches
Return of da baby killa
Another Nigger In The Morgue
Now, before anyone starts screaming racism, all of those song titles are legit, and you can find them on google and youtube.
If the black community truly wants an end to racial slurs, they need to start themselves. Glorifying this garbage in music doesn't help them at all.
Post by: Anthony on June 26, 2020, 07:36:34 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on June 26, 2020, 07:37:26 AM
Well obviously it should be replaced with music written and performed by a black artist. A rap artist. They are in touch with the feelings of everyone.
So let's look at the following songs:
Fuck Wit Dre Day
A Nigga Witta Gun
For All My Niggaz and Bitches
Return of da baby killa
Another Nigger In The Morgue
Now, before anyone starts screaming racism, all of those song titles are legit, and you can find them on google and youtube.
If the black community truly wants an end to racial slurs, they need to start themselves. Glorifying this garbage in music doesn't help them at all.
Tangentially related. A while back my wife dragged me to see Dave Chappelle live. In almost every joke, black men were "niggahs" and black women were "bitches", and apparently this is really funny as the mostly black crowd were rolling in the isles. Me? I couldn't wait to get out of there. Never again.
Change begins from within, and I don't see it coming anytime soon.
Post by: Anthony on June 26, 2020, 07:39:19 AM
"Above the fruited plane" is triggering and offensive. No plane is fruited. Well, maybe Cirrus.
I concur! The Gay Pilots Association may choose to differ, however. A Cirrus is a requirement from what I hear.
Post by: Ron22 on June 26, 2020, 08:02:18 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 26, 2020, 08:29:50 AM
America the Beautiful will be passed over because it refers to God.
And brotherhood.
Post by: Little Joe on June 26, 2020, 08:33:16 AM
Oh good. A song by the Communist Woody Guthrie.Ooooh.
Read the lyrics, like this one:
Was a high wall there that tried to stop me
A sign was painted said: Private Property
But on the back side it didn’t say nothing
This land was made for you and me
I guess I should have thought that through a little more.
Post by: nddons on June 26, 2020, 08:37:31 AM
Ooooh.That’s alright. I remember singing that song in Catholic grade school. That verse never seemed to be one that we sang as far as I can recall.
I guess I should have thought that through a little more.
Post by: Anthony on June 26, 2020, 08:43:56 AM
Ooooh.
I guess I should have thought that through a little more.
Don't be too hard on yourself. I like the song, for the most part. I look at it more from an esoteric perspective. When I see the Rocky Mountains, or the plains, and other areas of natural beauty, I think we all share them. I do not mean we "own" it like our home, nor back yard, car, airplane, etc.
I went to Public School in a large suburb of Philly, and teachers were generally "normal" folks, and were patriotic, thought the U.S. was a great country. Many of the male teachers were Veterans, the female teachers mostly had families and were not "Feminists" nor activist types.
Post by: nddons on June 26, 2020, 11:13:47 AM
Don't be too hard on yourself. I like the song, for the most part. I look at it more from an esoteric perspective. When I see the Rocky Mountains, or the plains, and other areas of natural beauty, I think we all share them. I do not mean we "own" it like our home, nor back yard, car, airplane, etc.I’ve always liked the Eagles, and the other day my wife and I were watching an Eagles concert on TV from a few years ago. It was outstanding.
I went to Public School in a large suburb of Philly, and teachers were generally "normal" folks, and were patriotic, thought the U.S. was a great country. Many of the male teachers were Veterans, the female teachers mostly had families and were not "Feminists" nor activist types.
However, one song I used to love, but now see the story, is The Last Resort off the Hotel California album. Don Henley is a huge environmental activist and he overdramatized the singing of the song by looking angry. What a twit.
Post by: Jaybird180 on October 28, 2021, 06:07:26 AM
Tangentially related. A while back my wife dragged me to see Dave Chappelle live. In almost every joke, black men were "niggahs" and black women were "bitches", and apparently this is really funny as the mostly black crowd were rolling in the isles. Me? I couldn't wait to get out of there. Never again.If you listen more carefully you'll find that Dave sometimes refers to men as N* and women as B*, irrespective of race or social class.
Change begins from within, and I don't see it coming anytime soon.
Post by: Mr Pou on October 28, 2021, 06:15:09 AM
If you listen more carefully you'll find that Dave sometimes refers to men as N* and women as B*, irrespective of race or social class.
OK, good for him, but this is good comedy? Not to my ears...
Post by: Rush on October 28, 2021, 06:19:59 AM
Post by: texasag93 on October 28, 2021, 09:55:00 AM
He makes fun of everyone.
You know, COMEDY!
He had Wayne Brady on his show and watching Wayne Brady go blue was pretty funny. Google it.
Post by: Steingar on October 28, 2021, 10:01:22 AM
Post by: nddons on October 29, 2021, 07:32:46 AM
I myself much prefer America the Beautiful since it is a wonderful expression of patriotism (written by the son fo immigrants no less!) that lacks military involvement. That said, I think the Star Spangled banner has quite a bit of historical precedence. I don't see this going anywhere.“Military involvement” is precisely how our country was made free, so there’s that.
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2021, 10:21:00 AM
I myself much prefer America the Beautiful since it is a wonderful expression of patriotism (written by the son fo immigrants no less!) that lacks military involvement. That said, I think the Star Spangled banner has quite a bit of historical precedence. I don't see this going anywhere.
The Star Spangled Banner has an extremely emotional genesis.
Post by: Anthony on October 29, 2021, 10:56:06 AM
I myself much prefer America the Beautiful since it is a wonderful expression of patriotism (written by the son fo immigrants no less!) that lacks military involvement. That said, I think the Star Spangled banner has quite a bit of historical precedence. I don't see this going anywhere.
Why do you hate our Military? A Military that made us and kept us free. Oh, I get it. Being in Academia forces you to be that way. ::)
Post by: Steingar on October 29, 2021, 10:59:01 AM
Why do you hate our Military? A Military that made us and kept us free. Oh, I get it. Being in Academia forces you to be that way. ::)
I don't, I just think our nation stands for much more much. I prefer the song that talks about how great our nation is, and not the one that talks about how we won a battle few Americans could even name.
Post by: Number7 on October 29, 2021, 11:28:28 AM
I don't, I just think our nation stands for much more much. I prefer the song that talks about how great our nation is, and not the one that talks about how we won a battle few Americans could even name.
Fewer people know about that particular battle because fucking academics (like you) lack the integrity to teach it.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 29, 2021, 11:30:24 AM
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2021, 11:41:12 AM
I don't, I just think our nation stands for much more much. I prefer the song that talks about how great our nation is, and not the one that talks about how we won a battle few Americans could even name.
I prefer the song about the men that sacrificed their lives for freedom over the song about the rest of us who benefited from what they did celebrating how great we have it.
Post by: nddons on October 29, 2021, 12:01:48 PM
I don't, I just think our nation stands for much more much. I prefer the song that talks about how great our nation is, and not the one that talks about how we won a battle few Americans could even name.We are, or at least were, the freest country on the planet. And freedom isn’t free. I think the Star Spangled Banner, more than any other contemporary song, speaks to the desperate battle for freedom.
Post by: bflynn on October 29, 2021, 12:24:35 PM
We are, or at least were, the freest country on the planet.
The US is 20th and falling.
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2021, 01:52:42 PM
The US is 20th and falling.
Falling very fast.
Post by: Steingar on November 03, 2021, 10:03:32 AM
Fewer people know about that particular battle because fucking academics (like you) lack the integrity to teach it.
Why would I? I teach Genetics.
Post by: Number7 on November 03, 2021, 12:16:35 PM
Why would I? I teach Genetics.
Not according to your students, however...