PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on July 01, 2020, 11:44:41 AM
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So the new battle cry in government is everyone should put on a mask. The Wicked Witch of the West wants to federally mandate it. More and more of the political elite are demanding it.
It's almost beginning to look like a cult. No good reasoning, most don't understand the science, just "put the fucking mask on as you are told!"
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Yes, it is another wedge issue so the Media/Democrats can paint Trump and his supporters as uncaring and money hungry (greedy capitalists).
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Yes, it is another wedge issue so the Media/Democrats can paint Trump and his supporters as uncaring and money hungry (greedy capitalists).
But the republicans are jumping on board.
I did find it funny there is a video that shows news reporters removing their mask once they think the camera is off, and also there is a video (recent) that shows Fauci taking his mask off when he thought the camera was off.
I'm so tired of all the fake shit.
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but but but... look at Maskachusetts. Yesterday there were zero reported deaths. It's all because of the masks... don't you understand?
(pay no attention to the fact that Maskachusetts deaths were declining weeks before masks were "mandated" by the gov)
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I bet none of these people have had to attempt keeping a mask on the face of a 3 year old.
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But the republicans are jumping on board.
I did find it funny there is a video that shows news reporters removing their mask once they think the camera is off, and also there is a video (recent) that shows Fauci taking his mask off when he thought the camera was off.
I'm so tired of all the fake shit.
The Racist accusation is like Kryptonite to Republicans as they know the Media will beat that drum 24/7/365. Yes, they are cowards. Stand up to these false accusations of Systemic Racism.
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Have you noticed that Queen Nancy now has a mask that coordinated with her outfit every day, talk about tone deaf.
I have a Trump 2020 mask on order. Hope to piss off some Progressives. We have to wear them when I take my wife to her Dizziness PT appointments and Costco.
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Wasn't it the democrats that use to chant "My Body, My Choice!"?
Wasn't it the democrats who use to tell us the government has no business in telling us what to do?
But know they demand social behavior by demanding everyone wear mask?
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https://fee.org/articles/modelers-were-astronomically-wrong-in-covid-19-predictions-says-leading-epidemiologist-and-the-world-is-paying-the-price/
Dr. John Ioannidis became a world-leading scientist by exposing bad science. But the COVID-19 pandemic could prove to be his biggest challenge yet.
Ioannidis, the C.F. Rehnborg Chair in Disease Prevention at Stanford University, has come under fire in recent months for his opposition to state-ordered lockdowns, which he says could cause social harms well beyond their presumed benefits. But he doesn’t appear to be backing down.
In a wide-ranging interview with Greek Reporter published over the weekend, Ioannidis said emerging data support his prediction that lockdowns would have wide-ranging social consequences and that the mathematical models on which the lockdowns were based were horribly flawed.
Ioannidis also said a comprehensive review of the medical literature suggests that COVID-19 is far more widespread than most people realize.
“There are already more than 50 studies that have presented results on how many people in different countries and locations have developed antibodies to the virus,” Ioannidis, a Greek-American physician, told Greek Reporter. “Of course none of these studies are perfect, but cumulatively they provide useful composite evidence. A very crude estimate might suggest that about 150-300 million or more people have already been infected around the world, far more than the 10 million documented cases.”
Ioannidis said medical data suggest the fatality risk is far lower than earlier estimates had led policymakers to believe and “is almost 0%” for individuals under 45 years old. The median fatality rate is roughly 0.25 percent, however, because the risk “escalates substantially” for individuals over 85 and can be as high as 25 percent for debilitated people in nursing homes.
“The death rate in a given country depends a lot on the age-structure, who are the people infected, and how they are managed,” Ioannidis said. “For people younger than 45, the infection fatality rate is almost 0%. For 45 to 70, it is probably about 0.05-0.3%. For those above 70, it escalates substantially…”
Because of this, Ioannidis sees mass lockdowns of entire populations as a mistake, though he says they may have made sense when experts believed the fatality rate of COVID-19 was as high as 3-5 percent.
In March, in a widely read STAT article, Ioannidis said it was uncertain how long lockdowns could be maintained without serious consequences.
“One of the bottom lines is that we don’t know how long social distancing measures and lockdowns can be maintained without major consequences to the economy, society, and mental health,” Ioannidis wrote. Unpredictable evolutions may ensue, including financial crisis, unrest, civil strife, war, and a meltdown of the social fabric.”
Nearly three months after that interview, the world has seen unemployment levels unseen since the Great Depression, mass business closures, spikes in suicide and drug overdose, and social unrest on a scale not seen in the US since the 1960s.
“I feel extremely sad that my predictions were verified,” Ioannidis said. He continued:
“Major consequences on the economy, society and mental health” have already occurred. I hope they are reversible, and this depends to a large extent on whether we can avoid prolonging the draconian lockdowns and manage to deal with COVID-19 in a smart, precision-risk targeted approach, rather than blindly shutting down everything. Similarly, we have already started to see the consequences of “financial crisis, unrest, and civil strife.” I hope it is not followed by “war and meltdown of the social fabric.” Globally, the lockdown measures have increased the number of people at risk of starvation to 1.1 billion, and they are putting at risk millions of lives, with the potential resurgence of tuberculosis, childhood diseases like measles where vaccination programs are disrupted, and malaria. I hope that policymakers look at the big picture of all the potential problems and not only on the very important, but relatively thin slice of evidence that is COVID-19.”
Ioannidis did not spare modelers who predicted as many as 40 million people would die, or those who claimed the US healthcare system would be overrun.
“The predictions of most mathematical models in terms of how many beds and how many ICU beds would be required were astronomically wrong,” Ioannidis said. “Indeed, the health system was not overrun in any location in the USA, although several hospitals were stressed.”
Conversely, he added, these actions had detrimental effects on the US health care system, which was “severely damaged” because of measures taken.
Only time will tell if Ioannidis is proven correct in his assessments. But if he’s even half right, it would suggest that the experts did indeed fail again.
There’s little question that the lockdowns have caused widespread economic, social, and emotional carnage. Evidence that US states that locked down fared better than states that did not is hard to find.
Though not yet certain, the COVID-19 pandemic may well turn out to be another example of central planning gone wrong.
As I previously noted, it’s a sad irony that many of the greatest disasters in modern history—from Stalin’s "kolkhoz" collective farming system to Mao’s Great Leap Forward and beyond—are the result of central planners trying to improve the lot of humanity through coercive action.
During the coronavirus pandemic, experts may have unintentionally brought about one of the most serious human disasters in modern history by removing choice from individuals with superior local knowledge.
“This is not a dispute about whether planning is to be done or not,” Hayek wrote in The Use of Knowledge in Society. “It is a dispute as to whether planning is to be done centrally, by one authority for the whole economic system, or is to be divided among many individuals.”
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denier!
sacrilege!
heresy!
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denier!
sacrilege!
heresy!
It is the same shit as with Climate Change and everything else the Communist Democrats push. And the MEDIA effing repeats and promotes it all because it has been hijacked my Far Left Radicals. But LOTS of people still believe the Democrat, radical media.
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https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/07/_is_the_covid_surge_more_fake_news.html
July 2, 2020
Is the COVID Surge More Fake News?
By Brian C.Joondeph, MD
“The coronavirus surge is real, and it’s everywhere” says Axios and most of the DNC media.
Time to panic. They pile on, “The coronavirus pandemic is getting dramatically worse in almost every corner of the U.S.”
We are told new cases are rising by double-digit percentages, including: “The number of people hospitalized with coronavirus.” Hospitalized with or from coronavirus? Is this really a surge or simply fear-mongering fake news?
Texas features prominently in the surge scare. Coincidently Texas is a red state that if flipped to blue would prevent a Republican from ever winning the White House for the foreseeable future. Everything is bigger in Texas, including the Chinese coronavirus surge.
A Texas hospital CEO lets the fake news cat out of the bag.
Health officials in Texas are logging every single COVID-19-positive hospital patient in the state as a COVID-19 hospitalization, even if the patients themselves are admitted seeking treatment for something other than the coronavirus.
Most hospitals require a COVID test before elective surgery. This means that patients coming to the hospital for a non-COVID reason are tested for COVID, and if positive are being counted as a “COVID hospitalization.” If a patient goes to the hospital for a new hip or cataract surgery, and happens to test positive for COVID, they are counted as a COVID hospitalization.
Just like inflated death counts, there is a big difference between dying or being hospitalized due to coronavirus or with coronavirus. George Floyd tested positive for COVID but no one is attributing his death in Minneapolis to COVID. Yet that is how hospitalizations are being counted, leading to this so-called surge in cases.
This surge hit the news about two weeks ago, after the BLM protests and riots peaked and agitators were starting to be arrested. Is this the latest chapter in the ongoing saga to beat on Trump and interfere in the upcoming presidential election?
States experiencing this surge began reopening two months ago, including Florida, Texas, and Arizona. With a coronavirus incubation period of 5-6 days, according to the World Health Organization, any surge due to reopening should have occurred a week or two after states reopened, not two months later.
Not mentioned are the BLM protests, all within the past month. Mass gatherings in many U.S. cities, without masks or social distancing, everything the basketball player and scarf queen warned against, are far more likely the cause of increasing positive tests.
The CDC director recommended protesters get tested for COVID and likely many did, driving up the case numbers or so-called surge. Most infected young people are asymptomatic, especially teenagers where about 80 percent of those infected show no symptoms.
It’s young people out protesting, not senior citizens. Ignoring distancing and mask recommendations, many get infected, then tested, and voila, we see a surge in cases. Don’t forget the George Floyd funeral in Houston with over 6,300 attendees and over 60,000 marching, without distancing. Could this have contributed to the Texas surge?
A more useful metric would be hospitalizations and deaths. Houston Methodist CEO Marc Boom noted,
His hospital one year ago was at 95% ICU capacity, similar to the numbers the hospital is seeing today. “It is completely normal for us to have ICU capacities that run in the 80s and 90s," he said. "That's how all hospitals operate."
As of last week, “Texas had around 13,000 open hospital beds statewide.” Yet the Washington Post pushes fear porn, “Arizona, Florida, Texas are latest coronavirus epicenters.” Remember how coronavirus patients in New York City were supposedly dying in hospital parking lots since hospital beds were full? Yet a hospital ship and multiple makeshift hospitals in NYC were largely empty.
It gets worse. Texas can’t even count their test positive cases correctly. “State health officials acknowledged they have been releasing inaccurate figures because they were combining the number of positive COVID-19 antigen tests with the number of positive antibody tests.”
Antibody tests are now readily available, and individuals exposed or symptomatic in March or April can be tested today. Many will have COVID antibodies, indicating past, but not currently active infection. Yet they are part of the so-called surge.
That’s nonsensical thinking, much like saying there is a surge in gun violence this week, counting all gun crimes for the past four months and attributing them all to this past week.
The surge is due to more testing and more test-positive individuals, especially young people who have been out and about as the state lockdowns lifted. Last March and April, testing was available only for those admitted to the hospital for presumed COVID. Now one can get a COVID antigen or antibody test on demand through major testing centers such as Quest Diagnostics.
Texas increased daily COVID testing by over 50 percent during the past five weeks. More tests means more positive cases.
What else might be causing more cases in Texas? How about the border with Mexico which is having its own surge in coronavirus cases. How many infected are crossing our southern border? Further west along the border, the New York Times reported, “Coronavirus jumps the border, overwhelming hospitals in California.” How many of these border crossers were routed to California simply to overwhelm the local hospitals and give state officials an excuse to shut everything down again?
How convenient that we are seeing a surge in coronavirus cases as the economy is beginning to rebound and the great Democrat hope Joe Biden still can’t utter a coherent sentence. Deep state seditious shenanigans are coming to light as President Trump continues his unending quest to drain the swamp. Yet the news is all about surging coronavirus cases, drowning out everything else.
A surge in cases puts pressure on Trump to scale back or stop his rallies while Biden can continue to hide in his basement. Debates may be risky or entirely unnecessary now as the Washington Post claimed. Funny how they were still quite relevant when glib Barack Obama debated tongue-tied McCain and Romney.
Biden admitted as much, “I’m going to follow the doc’s orders, I will not hold any rallies.” Want to bet this morphs into him skipping the debates, based on “doctor’s orders,” avoiding Trump schlonging him on a national stage?
This has always been about the election, along with the protests and riots. The so-called surge is just the latest chapter in the left’s quest to deny President Trump a second term.
Expect to see impeachment resurrected based on fake news of Trump ignoring bounties on American troops. And if all else fails, why not another viral pandemic?
As the BBC recently reported,
A new strain of flu that has the potential to become a pandemic has been identified in China by scientists.
It emerged recently and is carried by pigs, but can infect humans, they say.
The researchers are concerned that it could mutate further so that it can spread easily from person to person and trigger a global outbreak.
While it is not an immediate problem, they say, it has "all the hallmarks" of being highly adapted to infect humans and needs close monitoring.
As it's new, people could have little or no immunity to the virus.
How convenient. It was never really about the virus but instead the election, and the last gasps of the deep state desperately trying to keep their crimes against Trump and humanity hidden away in the hopes that Biden’s handlers can bury everything if Biden stumbles across the finish line in November.
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Wasn't that long ago he was saying that mandating mask wearing was unconstitutional.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/abbott-statewide-order-face-coverings
The radical mob has finally beaten him down. And he is absolutely foolish if he believes this will satisfy them. They want a full on lock down and they want businesses shut down, again.
I give it less than a week before the shut down orders start going out.
Another fuckin' RINO.
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And now this https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/masks-at-fbos.126890/#post-2940892
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https://collincountytx.new.swagit.com/videos/62477?fbclid=IwAR3PwPDa04vydHmeOS6aAqlFNLluerLSNs94WthvD7kgszLmROJeclCL3Nc
Go to 15:39 in this video and be amazed.
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https://collincountytx.new.swagit.com/videos/62477?fbclid=IwAR3PwPDa04vydHmeOS6aAqlFNLluerLSNs94WthvD7kgszLmROJeclCL3Nc
Go to 15:39 in this video and be amazed.
Any means possible to get the numbers to go up.
Of course, let's not mention that the death numbers are still going down, and have hit record lows.
The left are terrified of Trump rally's and sees this as a method to slow them or stop them. This added benefit is it keeps Biden in the basement and out of public view.
The sunbelt states are seeing record employment and businesses were coming back strong. Now the left's plan is to start hammering for lockdowns and get people back on unemployment. Of course, with new lock downs they can push extending the extra $600/week benefit through November......... Wow, how convenient!
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I hate the Media.
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Breaking news........Yesterday there were 9558 new cases in Florida!!!!!!
There were 10 deaths.
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Breaking news........Yesterday there were 9558 new cases in Florida!!!!!!
There were 10 deaths.
And we wonder, how many suicides of people who have lost everything? How many from despair? How many from opioid addiction?
How many from cancer, or other condition that had their procedures delayed during the lock downs?
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There were 10 deaths.
All Deaths Matter!
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one question to ask anyone who is worried about the number of new cases:
Are the health departments reporting positive test results or the number of people who test positive?
(often multiple tests are done, so someone infected might be tested 3 times, resulting in 3 positive tests... the honest health departments would report that as 1 positive, the lazy ones will report it as 3)
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And we wonder, how many suicides of people who have lost everything? How many from despair? How many from opioid addiction?
How many from cancer, or other condition that had their procedures delayed during the lock downs?
Saw an article that said calls to the suicide hotline were up 388%
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one question to ask anyone who is worried about the number of new cases:
Are the health departments reporting positive test results or the number of people who test positive?
(often multiple tests are done, so someone infected might be tested 3 times, resulting in 3 positive tests... the honest health departments would report that as 1 positive, the lazy ones will report it as 3)
My SIL's mother tested positive, she's in a nursing home. She was sent to the hospital and tested twice, both negative. Does that mean she counts as minus one?
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If I posted this already, I apologize......
https://collincountytx.new.swagit.com/videos/62477?fbclid=IwAR32mI8dCGqlEuqn6xcgLMbIizCwpF-b1rniALlMyIfMsdfywrOPnbUZKqw (https://collincountytx.new.swagit.com/videos/62477?fbclid=IwAR32mI8dCGqlEuqn6xcgLMbIizCwpF-b1rniALlMyIfMsdfywrOPnbUZKqw)
Go to the 15:30 mark and start listening. The discussion goes on for approx. 45 minutes. Be prepared to be pissed.
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If I posted this already, I apologize......
https://collincountytx.new.swagit.com/videos/62477?fbclid=IwAR32mI8dCGqlEuqn6xcgLMbIizCwpF-b1rniALlMyIfMsdfywrOPnbUZKqw (https://collincountytx.new.swagit.com/videos/62477?fbclid=IwAR32mI8dCGqlEuqn6xcgLMbIizCwpF-b1rniALlMyIfMsdfywrOPnbUZKqw)
Go to the 15:30 mark and start listening. The discussion goes on for approx. 45 minutes. Be prepared to be pissed.
The Russia hoax failed. The Ukraine hoax failed. The impeachment hoax failed. Numerous other hoaxes failed. Now they ave the scamdemic, which was a wild success, but the problem was it ended to early, so they need it to last until November.
Problem solved, use manipulated numbers, use scary language, show scary graphs and have their media 24/7 screaming "Covid!"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CglBhn0znM&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1hneC6FgyWcd_OVThvMAIM5FJqEW82Kl4ccaDSOGoMRqWJVtKZjzHU5mc&app=desktop
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
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Wasn't that long ago he was saying that mandating mask wearing was unconstitutional.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/abbott-statewide-order-face-coverings
The radical mob has finally beaten him down. And he is absolutely foolish if he believes this will satisfy them. They want a full on lock down and they want businesses shut down, again.
I give it less than a week before the shut down orders start going out.
Another fuckin' RINO.
And right on schedule, this morning, the progressive left in Texas is now demanding that each municipality be able to institute their own lock down orders without interference from the governor.
RINO's never learn.
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Don't look for this in the MSM.
Oh, btw, that number represents those who have died because of Covid and those who have died with Covid.
Yet we have states as of today who are demanding new lockdowns.
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4763.0;attach=1567;image)
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Don't look for this in the MSM.
Oh, btw, that number represents those who have died because of Covid and those who have died with Covid.
Yet we have states as of today who are demanding new lockdowns.
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4763.0;attach=1567;image)
I guess people accept the Media/Democrat LIES now as the truth. It just shows how many people are lazy and gullible. It would be great if they could have their own country. Amerikanistan or something and leave people that respect Rights and Freedoms alone.
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Do you not care about those dying
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just a caution - some states (including California) won't be reporting deaths etc for 4 July, they are going to catchup later.
More meaningful is to look at the 7-day average. We always see a dip over the weekend... every weekend.
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Do you not care about those dying
Dead lives matter!
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just a caution - some states (including California) won't be reporting deaths etc for 4 July, they are going to catchup later.
More meaningful is to look at the 7-day average. We always see a dip over the weekend... every weekend.
The actual numbers are continuing to fall, daily. The CDC is on the cusp of removing Covid19 from epidemic status.
Texas is using a bizarre method to count covid hospitalizations and cases. Even the covid deaths are brought into question as their counting is so heavily politically motivated.
Several counties in Florida are using the same methods. The progressives had such overwhelming success with the scamdemic they are desperate to keep it going.
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Do you not care about those dying
Oh the humanity.....
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The actual numbers are continuing to fall, daily. The CDC is on the cusp of removing Covid19 from epidemic status.
not quite every day, but, yeah, the daily count has been on a steady decline.
If the CDC changes the status of COVID-19 to something less scary sounding, the screams and howls will be hilarious.
As amusing as it would be to watch heads explode, I doubt that COVID-19 will be downgraded anytime soon and certainly not before the 2nd week of November.
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https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/covid-19-close-losing-its-epidemic-status-us-according-cdc\
Coronavirus deaths in the country have nearly reached a level where the virus will cease to qualify as an epidemic under Centers for Disease Control and Prevention rules, the federal agency reported on Friday.
The CDC qualifies a disease outbreak as an "epidemic" if the number of deaths attributable to the disease exceeds a certain percentage of total deaths per week. That threshold for pneumonia, influenza and COVID-19 fluctuates slightly depending on the time of year, ranging from around 7% at the height of flu season to around 5% during less virulent months.
CDC data indicate that deaths from those ailments began skyrocketing in the country around the second week of March, hitting a peak around early May and then plummeting quickly after that.
The latest data show that the percentage of deaths in the country attributable to those factors had as of the last week in June reached its lowest point since the end of last year, becoming "equal to the [current] epidemic threshold of 5.9%," the CDC said.
The agency notes that the official tally of deaths "will likely change as more death certificates are processed, particularly for recent weeks." Yet the number of deaths attributable to COVID-19, pneumonia and influenza have been declining for 10 straight weeks, the agency said on its website, suggesting COVID-19 may cease to qualify as an epidemic in the next few weeks.
The welcome news comes as fear over a "second wave" of the virus has gripped the U.S., with some states experiencing fresh surges of COVID-19 along with increased hospitalizations.
Though infections are significantly up in some places, deaths throughout the country have remained flat, due likely to several factors including a younger cohort of infections as well as improved treatment methods.
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https://outkick.com/coronavirus-daily-deaths-down-92-4-from-peak-have-declined-ten-straight-weeks/
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https://outkick.com/coronavirus-daily-deaths-down-92-4-from-peak-have-declined-ten-straight-weeks/
Yet, as I flipped quickly through the local TV news this morning EVERY one was all about Mask, Mask, Mask, Mask, Masks. Every freaking channel. ABC, NBC (Commie-cast), Fox, CBS....... It as if the situation is getting worse not better with more and more calls for social distancing and masks.
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I have to take slight issue with the general consensus here.
Yes, the declining death rate is good news and is dramatic.
But the increasing case count and hospitalization rate is not so good. COVID is still serious and I really don't want to get it. Therefore I wear a mask and I wish more people would also wear a mask when they go to the places I go to. Some of the increasing case count is definitely due to the increased testing, but rather than devalue the seriousness of the trend, it shows that the disease isn't finished yet and will continue to ravage the population.
In no way am I advocating shutting down the economy again. But we should take "reasonable" precautions. That doesn't mean we have to suffer:
https://assets.amuniversal.com/f0dddbe08d7f013808e1005056a9545d <--I thought this Dilbert was funny!
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Someone at work here has now tested positive, have to wear a mask anytime I leave my office. What can I say, I like to eat. (And buy avgas)
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I only wear a mask if a place of business requires it, so I carry one with me. I do not wear one in the car, or when outside. I choose a simple, construction dust mask which is light and comfortable.
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Let's look at some facts, shall we?
Yes, there are more "Cases" as there is more testing. The majority of these cases are asymptomatic. Also, a much larger swath of the population has already had this. And as being discovered, the mortality rate is very low, much much lower than the bullshit that was feed us.
Lot's of people have colds and the flu, but don't go to a doctor or hospital. The media and their handlers want everyone to think that everyone runs to the hospital when they get the sniffles. So go back to late 2019 when people thought they had a cold or the flu, more than likely that was covid19, but because it wasn't being used as a political tool, no one took notice.
And guess what? If you are sick from a per-existing condition the flu or a bad cold can kill as well. For people who think they need some sort of protection from catching something, either avoid other people (stay home) or wear a fitted N95 or better mask.
These goofy mask people are wearing right now do them absolutely no good. And the government mandating these stupid mask is beyond absurd. We keep reading "it's symbolic". Fuck that, symbolic mask wearing doesn't protect anyone.
And back to cases. Go look at how these states are determining "cases". It's a joke. Cases can be counted with zero testing and made on broad assumptions, with zero scientific evidence. The case numbers are being manipulated and exploited for political purposes, nothing more. Also, the deaths (which keep falling btw) are not even accurate as most have died with Covid, not from it.
We've been played, and now the progressives don't want their new found chapter of the playbook to end.
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Yet, as I flipped quickly through the local TV news this morning EVERY one was all about Mask, Mask, Mask, Mask, Masks. Every freaking channel. ABC, NBC (Commie-cast), Fox, CBS....... It as if the situation is getting worse not better with more and more calls for social distancing and masks.
I usually can’t understand what the virtue signaling reporter is saying when he or she is wearing a mask. If you’ve ever seen such an interview on the street, the cameraman is always farther than6’ away from the reporter what a crock.
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How many people actually have the virus?
What is the actual infection risk presented by people who are asymptomatic? pre-symptomatic? symptomatic? post-symptomatic?
If 10% of the population has or has had the virus, that means 90% of the people don't present any risk.
If 90% of the population has or has had the virus, that means the virus is less deadly than the seasonal influenza.
I know, I know, noboby wants to get the flu or the common cold or any other malady.
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I believe the death rate is approaching the point where this will no longer be considered a Pandemic, until the term Pandemic is redefined.
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I believe the death rate is approaching the point where this will no longer be considered a Pandemic, until the term Pandemic is redefined.
A crack team of epidemiologists is working on that right now!
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And here we go again. Simply amazing how these leftist control these health depts.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/07/06/restaurants-gyms-closing-again-in-miami-dade-under-new-order-targeting-covid-surge/
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https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809
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And here we go again. Simply amazing how these leftist control these health depts.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/07/06/restaurants-gyms-closing-again-in-miami-dade-under-new-order-targeting-covid-surge/
Government Bureaucracies at the Fed, State and Local levels are largely Democrat controlled. These people are un-elected stooges that think and act like Royalty.
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OMG
Our county just issued mandatory mask usage in all public areas outside the home. Ridiculous.
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OMG
Our county just issued mandatory mask usage in all public areas outside the home. Ridiculous.
Is the county simply requiring a mask, any mask? or is the county requiring a mask to be used properly?
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Is the county simply requiring a mask, any mask? or is the county requiring a mask to be used properly?
Any mask or face covering, so I suppose a bandanna works. They're touting $50 fines and up to 30 days in jail for non-compliance. What's funny is the horse is so far out of the barn he's in the next state already lol.
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This lunacy has to stop.
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Any mask or face covering, so I suppose a bandanna works. They're touting $50 fines and up to 30 days in jail for non-compliance. What's funny is the horse is so far out of the barn he's in the next state already lol.
And that is the clue that it is all IMAGE based. A bandanna and scarf has sufficed from the beginning. I'd rather wear a Nazi arm band. At least those guys had stones. LOL!
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And that is the clue that it is all IMAGE based. A bandanna and scarf has sufficed from the beginning. I'd rather wear a Nazi arm band. At least those guys had stones. LOL!
So what you are saying is that you respect and admire Steingar! ;)
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This was posted on a FB Group or Page called Truthout.....
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I only wear a mask if a place of business requires it, so I carry one with me. I do not wear one in the car, or when outside. I choose a simple, construction dust mask which is light and comfortable.
I absolutely don't get why someone alone in their car is wearing a mask. I can't imagine being that afraid of anything.
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This was posted on a FB Group or Page called Truthout.....
Canada has tested about 3% of their population. The United States has tested almost 10%, much of that in the last month.
So, my reaction is...duh.
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https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/06/stanford-scott-atlas-coronavirus-texas-hospitalizations/
Dr. Scott Atlas told Fox News’ “The Story” that a significant percentage of the surge in Texas hospital beds “have nothing to do with COVID-19.”
Atlas, former chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center and a senior fellow at Stanford’s Hoover Institution, urged viewers not to panic at the spike in coronavirus cases before explaining that it “doesn’t really matter how many cases” there are, only “who gets the cases.”
For those under 70, Atlas said, the death rate is actually lower than the seasonal flu.
“We realize we have to wait to have the story play out here, but right now, the cases have been going up for three weeks and we have no increase,” he told guest host Trace Gallagher. “In fact, we have a decrease in death rates. You know, it doesn’t matter if you get the illness if you’re going to fully recover and be fine from it. That is what people must understand. For younger healthier people, there’s not a higher risk from this disease at all.”
Gallagher noted the difference between the positive public reaction to antibody studies that show a high percentage have had the virus already and when “everybody tends to panic a little bit” when new case surges are announced.
“That’s true, and I think that there’s something else that goes unspoken,” Atlas responded. “When you have a lot of low-risk people get the infection, that’s how you generate population immunity.”
Turning to the issue of hospitalizations, Atlas said, “When I looked at every single hospital area in Texas today, 15-20% of people in the hospital as inpatients are COVID positive patients. That means 80-85% have nothing to do with Covid-19. And the same thing goes with some of the other states. There are people hospitalized, a large number, because they are tested as COVID positive somehow they are categorized as COVID hospitalizations. That’s a problem.”
Gallagher cited a Los Angeles Times headline that listed a hospital at 99% capacity but then explained later that “only 30% are COVID patients.”
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I absolutely don't get why someone alone in their car is wearing a mask. I can't imagine being that afraid of anything.
On the other hand, I don't get why someone would keep putting their masks on and off and on an off and on and off if they are running several errands in close proximity as I often do to reduce trips. I often read complaints on this board about people that don't wear their masks properly, or keep touching it, but I also hear complaints like yours urging people to unnecessarily remove and replace the mask multiple times on one outing, or not wear one at all.
Question: Would you want a surgeon operating on you without wearing a mask? Surgical masks are not N95.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/UnderstandDifferenceInfographic-508.pdf
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On the other hand, I don't get why someone would keep putting their masks on and off and on an off and on and off if they are running several errands in close proximity as I often do to reduce trips. I often read complaints on this board about people that don't wear their masks properly, or keep touching it, but I also hear complaints like yours urging people to unnecessarily remove and replace the mask multiple times on one outing, or not wear one at all.
Question: Would you want a surgeon operating on you without wearing a mask? Surgical masks are not N95.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/UnderstandDifferenceInfographic-508.pdf
Surgical masks are designed to be used for that specific purpose, ONE TIME and are part of an overall procedure for sterile environments in an OPERATING ROOM setting. There is no real analogy to other uses.
As far as taking them off when not needed? That is just common sense and why should I wear a mask of dubious use in a car, alone or outside walking? That's just silly. C'mon Joe. The masks are 90% or more for SHOW. When they say bandannas and scarfs are OK to use, you know it's a SCAM.
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One has to understand mask and their effectiveness. I go through an annual fitting of N95 mask which takes about 90 minutes, and is no fun.
A bandanna, a cotton cloth or the cheapo mask being sold today do absolutely nothing to protect the wearer. Yet we keep hearing officials telling us it's symbolic. No science, no evidence, just government bureaucrats and mindless politicians wanting to project an image for their personal beliefs.
If the government was really serious about mask being effective, they would issue the correct mask and show how to use them, and do proper fittings. But that doesn't interest them.
Tell you what, let's let the politicians say that the corona virus sticks to clothing, but bureaucrats have determined it won't stick to gray cotton flannel pajamas. Now lets let them "mandate" that everyone outside their homes must wear government issued gray flannel pajamas and flip flops or face the penalty of law.
Finally, these mandates aren't even legal. We have governors and mayors signing orders making these mask orders punishable by law. What law? Last I checked, the executive can't make laws, only the legislative. Have we elevated the executives to a monarchy?
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Canada has tested about 3% of their population. The United States has tested almost 10%, much of that in the last month.
So, my reaction is...duh.
Some other info that proves the graphic useless. The vast majority of people that live in Canada live in either Quebec Province (8,433,301) or Ontario Province (14,446,515). Those two provinces comprise 22,929,816 of approx 39M total. They have a total of 91,885 of the cases in Canada or 87.6% of the total cases for the country. Quebec Province has had 5,577 deaths and Ontario 2,689
If I use Georgia as a comparison to Quebec, GA has a couple million more people than Quebec and has had 95,516 cases and 2,860 deaths. We've had few more deaths than Ontario Province, which has a population of roughly 30% more and nearly half the deaths of Quebec Province.
You can make many other comparisons. I think everyone knows that New York and New Jersey make up the vast majority of numbers in the U.S.
The graphic was shared by my grand-daughter on FB. I had my wife send it to me. I find it interesting how these kids automatically see something like that and share it without any real thought or logical analysis. The majority of comments on the page are also quite revealing.
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Some other info that proves the graphic useless. The vast majority of people that live in Canada live in either Quebec Province (8,433,301) or Ontario Province (14,446,515). Those two provinces comprise 22,929,816 of approx 39M total. They have a total of 91,885 of the cases in Canada or 87.6% of the total cases for the country. Quebec Province has had 5,577 deaths and Ontario 2,689
If I use Georgia as a comparison to Quebec, GA has a couple million more people than Quebec and has had 95,516 cases and 2,860 deaths. We've had few more deaths than Ontario Province, which has a population of roughly 30% more and nearly half the deaths of Quebec Province.
You can make many other comparisons. I think everyone knows that New York and New Jersey make up the vast majority of numbers in the U.S.
The graphic was shared by my grand-daughter on FB. I had my wife send it to me. I find it interesting how these kids automatically see something like that and share it without any real thought or logical analysis. The majority of comments on the page are also quite revealing.
Junk science. The media and politicians, along with bureaucrats push it. Just watch the reactions of those 3 groups when someone questions their methods. It's the age old "what? are you a science denier!" or the ever popular "this is settled science!".
The agenda is obvious. But the progressive left have a new chapter in the playbook, and they aren't willing to let it go, it worked so well the first time around. Until we get government leaders willing to step up and openly question this bullshit, it's now going to become a part of our everyday lives.
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This was posted on a FB Group or Page called Truthout.....
Canadians aren’t very good at math, are they?
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On the other hand, I don't get why someone would keep putting their masks on and off and on an off and on and off if they are running several errands in close proximity as I often do to reduce trips. I often read complaints on this board about people that don't wear their masks properly, or keep touching it, but I also hear complaints like yours urging people to unnecessarily remove and replace the mask multiple times on one outing, or not wear one at all.
Question: Would you want a surgeon operating on you without wearing a mask? Surgical masks are not N95.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/pdfs/UnderstandDifferenceInfographic-508.pdf
Here you go Joe. Keep that mask on as long as you want. I wonder if you can smell the feet of these guys in this sweatshop.
https://youtu.be/ox-0NusoIAA
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My wife made several good ones for us as well as dozens of others for the people at the vet hospital that we used to own. We use surgical drape material as a replaceable inner filter. They work better than the ones bought from the surgical supply store and they are washable.
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So if mask are really that effective, instead of releasing felons from prison why weren’t they just issued mask instead? :o
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Flipped on the local news today. Same crap. Masks a must, social distancing a must then the next segment? Corona Virus still has the nation in a tight grip. What an utter scam.
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So if mask are really that effective, instead of releasing felons from prison why weren’t they just issued mask instead? :o
Now that I agree with.
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So if mask are really that effective, instead of releasing felons from prison why weren’t they just issued mask instead? :o
Because like most things it really isn't all that simple. Masks don't protect you from getting the virus at all unless they're airtight. I think respirators qualify. What they can do is attenuate viral spread to a degree, so that if you're infected you spread virus less. The problem is when you're holding people in close proximity masks become almost useless. Even though they attenuate viral spread the proximity amplifies it.
I won't be flying with anyone for the foreseeable future. A mask won't do diddly in my cockpit because of the proximity.
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Because like most things it really isn't all that simple. Masks don't protect you from getting the virus at all unless they're airtight. I think respirators qualify. What they can do is attenuate viral spread to a degree, so that if you're infected you spread virus less. The problem is when you're holding people in close proximity masks become almost useless. Even though they attenuate viral spread the proximity amplifies it.
I won't be flying with anyone for the foreseeable future. A mask won't do diddly in my cockpit because of the proximity.
Does your wife or any other family member go outside the home? Are you in proximity to them in the home? It's fine what you are doing however many Progressives want to force others to comply with their silly rules. Instead of mandating Mask Laws (not saying you are), stay at home and social distance if you feel at risk. Don't try to control others.
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Because like most things it really isn't all that simple. Masks don't protect you from getting the virus at all unless they're airtight.
But you've told us about your super dupper homemade mask you use. So which is it??
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Does your wife or any other family member go outside the home? Are you in proximity to them in the home? It's fine what you are doing however many Progressives want to force others to comply with their silly rules. Instead of mandating Mask Laws (not saying you are), stay at home and social distance if you feel at risk. Don't try to control others.
Just like MMGW and all of it's kin, that's the key word, "control". The "virus" is the new chapter of the playbook, and you can take the MMGW chapter, edit out MMGW and insert "virus" and it reads the same.
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Does your wife or any other family member go outside the home? Are you in proximity to them in the home? It's fine what you are doing however many Progressives want to force others to comply with their silly rules. Instead of mandating Mask Laws (not saying you are), stay at home and social distance if you feel at risk. Don't try to control others.
The problem is if you go out (and odds are you must, unless you're having essential delivered) you can spread the virus. If you mask up the odds on your spreading the virus diminish. Your behavior affects me when you infect me with your virus. Hence it is reasonable for me to ask you to modify your behavior.
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The problem is if you go out (and odds are you must, unless you're having essential delivered) you can spread the virus. If you mask up the odds on your spreading the virus diminish. Your behavior affects me when you infect me with your virus. Hence it is reasonable for me to ask you to modify your behavior.
No. If you feel that at risk, STAY HOME. The virus is not a death sentence. Only a few very high risk people die from it. You'll be fine. I carry a mask with me but only put it on if a business requires I wear it. If not I walk around outside, and drive without one.
I probably already contracted and recovered from Covid 19, Wuhan, Chinese Virus. In early March I had mild cold and flu symptoms for a few days including a fever for a day to two. I used over the counter products and stayed home during that time. I was fine.
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But you've told us about your super dupper homemade mask you use. So which is it??
I am under no illusions, my mask will not in any way prevent me from getting the virus. But my Mrs. made it and I think it's cool. And it will attenuate viral spread should I be infected. This shit is very, very real to me. Mrs. Steingar has rampant comorbidity. I am very concerned that the 'rona could end her. Anthony has met my Mrs. and I think can attest why I'm not in a big hurry to be a widower.
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Just like MMGW and all of it's kin, that's the key word, "control". The "virus" is the new chapter of the playbook, and you can take the MMGW chapter, edit out MMGW and insert "virus" and it reads the same.
I'm waiting for the next chapter. MMGW said "Send all your money to us to stop MMGW". The virus was much more effective in control and the destruction of the economy. I expect the next chapter to be "send us all your money to help combat the virus!"
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No. If you feel that at risk, STAY HOME. The virus is not a death sentence. Only a few of very high risk people die from it. You'll be fine.
Bananas, lots of otherwise healthy people have died from it. And as I've said over and over my Mrs. could easily be killed by this thing, she is high risk. I do have to go out for groceries and meds, but you can bet I stay the hell away from everyone. No more grocery shopping unless it's 8:00 am Saturday or Sunday. Otherwise there are just too damn many witless people.
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I'm waiting for the next chapter. MMGW said "Send all your money to us to stop MMGW". The virus was much more effective in control and the destruction of the economy. I expect the next chapter to be "send us all your money to help combat the virus!"
That's next. Look at the uproar over the US defunding the WHO.
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Bananas, lots of otherwise healthy people have died from it. And as I've said over and over my Mrs. could easily be killed by this thing, she is high risk. I do have to go out for groceries and meds, but you can bet I stay the hell away from everyone. No more grocery shopping unless it's 8:00 am Saturday or Sunday. Otherwise there are just too damn many witless people.
My 93 year old (94 in August) has been exposed to the virus. He has heart problems, diabetes and a few other items. Yet, there he is, no signs of the virus.
And no, healthy people have not dies from the virus. That's a MSM myth. Each time they've pushed out a "healthy guy/girl dies from Covid", a little research shows they had underlying medical problems.
Here's a recent bust on that narrative: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/media-lies-american-people-carsyn-leigh-davis-coronavirus-story/
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The Who wasn't the same after Keith Moon died. Then Entwhistle.....
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That's next. Look at the uproar over the US defunding the WHO.
Yeah, way to fight a pandemic. Defund the agency most involved at identifying and stopping pandemics.
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Yeah, way to fight a pandemic. Defund the agency most involved at identifying and stopping pandemics.
Whom are corrupt, lie and controlled by the Chinese.
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My 93 year old (94 in August) has been exposed to the virus. He has heart problems, diabetes and a few other items. Yet, there he is, no signs of the virus.
And no, healthy people have not dies from the virus.
Not according to https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-coronavirus-deaths/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-coronavirus-deaths/), https://www.businessinsider.com/washington-post-coronavirus-young-people-developing-world-2020-5 (https://www.businessinsider.com/washington-post-coronavirus-young-people-developing-world-2020-5), https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200319/20-percent-of-us-covid-19-deaths-were-young-adults#1 (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200319/20-percent-of-us-covid-19-deaths-were-young-adults#1), https://www.fresnobee.com/news/coronavirus/article243322656.html (https://www.fresnobee.com/news/coronavirus/article243322656.html),https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hundreds-young-people-dead-coronavirus_n_5e8ebea0c5b6b371812bf71a (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/hundreds-young-people-dead-coronavirus_n_5e8ebea0c5b6b371812bf71a)(https://i.insider.com/5e72a2d8c485404ab2528275?width=1136&format=jpeg)
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Yeah, way to fight a pandemic. Defund the agency most involved at identifying and stopping pandemics.
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Yea, we have Director-General Tedros Adhanom who is in bed with the Communist Chinese. Yea, gives me all sorts of warm fuzzies right there!
Oh, and the Director-General Tedros Adhanom? https://lidblog.com/dr-tedros-adhanom/
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/10/5-shocking-facts-about-who-chief-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus/
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/who-chief-tedros-has-got-to-go/
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/05/17/who-advisers-director-general-tedros-can-be-a-bit-naive-n2568955
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The problem is if you go out (and odds are you must, unless you're having essential delivered) you can spread the virus. If you mask up the odds on your spreading the virus diminish. Your behavior affects me when you infect me with your virus. Hence it is reasonable for me to ask you to modify your behavior.
Actually it is not. There is have been plenty of articles, and a discussion with my veterinarian daughter, that cloth masks likely will harm you, by having the inevitable moisture spot in front of your mouth and nose serving as a wick, whereby any sneeze or cough through which you walk will be stuck to the cloth mask, allowing you to inhale those germ laden molecules long after you pass the person who made the germ cloud.
I will not risk my health so you can feel better.
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Actually it is not. There is have been plenty of articles, and a discussion with my veterinarian daughter, that cloth masks likely will harm you, by having the inevitable moisture spot in front of your mouth and nose serving as a wick, whereby any sneeze or cough through which you walk will be stuck to the cloth mask, allowing you to inhale those germ laden molecules long after you pass the person who made the germ cloud.
I will not risk my health so you can feel better.
Again, not all masks are made equal. And to be honest I've yet to detect a "moisture spot" on my mask. Perhaps it's because I'm not in the habit of drooling.
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Again, not all masks are made equal. And to be honest I've yet to detect a "moisture spot" on my mask. Perhaps it's because I'm not in the habit of drooling.
If you think that's the only way a mask would get moist... ::) ::) ::) ::)
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The reason I like Pilot forums is everyone here has demonstrated a certain discipline and appetite for managed, and mitigated risk. Sow now we should be afraid of something that has a .00002% chance of killing us. Really? I do that many times over just looking at the airplane.
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The reason I like Pilot forums is everyone here has demonstrated a certain discipline and appetite for managed, and mitigated risk. Sow now we should be afraid of something that has a .00002% chance of killing us. Really? I do that many times over just looking at the airplane.
more like 0.0004% (the estimated weighted CFR and assuming 10% infected)
(Influenza is something like 0.0001%)
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more like 0.0004% (the estimated weighted CFR and assuming 10% infected)
(Influenza is something like 0.0001%)
Sorry, I was using a Man Made Climate Change model. Damn Excel!!!!
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The reason I like Pilot forums is everyone here has demonstrated a certain discipline and appetite for managed, and mitigated risk. Sow now we should be afraid of something that has a .00002% chance of killing us. Really? I do that many times over just looking at the airplane.
Key words being "managed and mitigated" risk. We pay hundreds of dollars for "certified" parts that would cost $5 on the open market because the government tells us to. Pilots take recurrent training because the government tells us to. IFR pilots won't fly in IMC if they are not "current" per the FAA rules. We don't drink and fly, we don't fly over gross, we make sure we have that stupid little compass correction card that nobody ever uses because the government mandates us to "be safe".
But people don't want to wear a $3 mask because they are not 100% guaranteed to keep them from catching a serious disease. Perhaps as pilots, we should fly in IMC using only an Ipad because it is not guaranteed to kill us.
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But people don't want to wear a $3 mask because they are not 100% guaranteed to keep them from catching a serious disease. Perhaps as pilots, we should fly in IMC using only an Ipad because it is not guaranteed to kill us.
Who isn't wearing mask when necessary in a place of business? What I am saying is that I will not wear a mask when I know it will not be necessary, and when it does no good. It is not lessening any risk at all. It is a joke. I will not participate in a scam, but I will not tell you that you can't participate. The Progressives want to have government mandate masks. It is a symbol of idiocy and compliance.
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Who isn't wearing mask when necessary in a place of business? What I am saying is that I will not wear a mask when I know it will not be necessary, and when it does no good. It is not lessening any risk at all. It is a joke. I will not participate in a scam, but I will not tell you that you can't participate. The Progressives want to have government mandate masks. It is a symbol of idiocy and compliance.
I am doing no different Anthony. I don't wear one when I walk the dog, ride Il Negrini, or fly the Mooney. I do put one on when I enter most establishments, or if I meet someone with whom I am not in routine contact. Indeed I've been having most of those meetings outdoors.
The real problem, as I see it is there are lots of folks who disregard the whole thing and make no attempt at social distancing. Just yesterday I took Il Negrini out for a spin and stopped to see an old friend of mine who runs a small store. As I was doffing my kit and donning my mask a couple guys came near walking to their car. They got so close I had to jump out of the way. No regard for social distance. There's a great ethnic grocery in the same shopping complex, I love it and won't go in until this thing is over. As it is I won't go to a grocery store if it isn't 8:00 am on a Saturday or Sunday. Too many disregarding this thing. Were it just me I'd not feel this way, I'd probably want to get the thing and get it over with. But it's more than just me.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/?fbclid=IwAR0Vg9qxCoK9W2zUQVnvHf9GHm5tCc5jni8LPDgKErKRHMlA66EJxkO3n7A
This study is the first RCT of cloth masks, and the results caution against the use of cloth masks. This is an important finding to inform occupational health and safety. Moisture retention, reuse of cloth masks and poor filtration may result in increased risk of infection. Further research is needed to inform the widespread use of cloth masks globally. However, as a precautionary measure, cloth masks should not be recommended for HCWs, particularly in high-risk situations, and guidelines need to be updated.
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Who isn't wearing mask when necessary in a place of business?
Perhaps your definition of necessary is being applied differently than mine.
You have said you won't wear a mask into a business unless the business requires it. I guess that constitutes "necessary".
I wear a mask in a store if there are any other people in there because I personally think it is necessary to reduce exposure to a serious disease, even if that disease isn't as fatal as often as it used to be due to various reasons, including better treatments. It might not protect me to any appreciable extent, but it may reduce the spread to others in case I have recently been infected without knowing it. If reducing the spread reduces the case rate, then it takes away the liberals ammunition to close the schools and stores and give everybody free money for not working.
I can't believe I am on Steingar's side of this issue.
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Perhaps your definition of necessary is being applied differently than mine.
You have said you won't wear a mask into a business unless the business requires it. I guess that constitutes "necessary".
I wear a mask in a store if there are any other people in there because I personally think it is necessary to reduce exposure to a serious disease, even if that disease isn't as fatal as often as it used to be due to various reasons, including better treatments. It might not protect me to any appreciable extent, but it may reduce the spread to others in case I have recently been infected without knowing it. If reducing the spread reduces the case rate, then it takes away the liberals ammunition to close the schools and stores and give everybody free money for not working.
I can't believe I am on Steingar's side of this issue.
Well, every business I have been in has required a mask. I limit my need to go into these places, but sometimes we need their goods or services. Where I differ from you is that I do not think masks are effective, nor at all necessary. My State has indicated any face covering is classified as a "mask" and therefore all businesses accept whatever you wear. A scarf, bandanna, etc are perfectly fine. I wear a cheap, dust mask designed for construction use. It does absolutely nothing for Virus mitigation. I don't care. It gives the appearance I am wearing a mask and allows me to shop.
Also, when City and State Governments nationwide said it was OK for BLM and Antifa "protesters" (rioters, looters, arsonists, murderers) to NOT wear masks and could congregate by the thousands because "Social Justice was more important than Social Distancing", it confirmed the entire Mask thing was SCAM.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/?fbclid=IwAR0Vg9qxCoK9W2zUQVnvHf9GHm5tCc5jni8LPDgKErKRHMlA66EJxkO3n7A
What I take away from this is that Vietnamese cloth masks are better than nothing, but Vietnamese medical masks are better than cloth masks. That's what their data indicate. What i don't know is what they mean by "cloth mask". My cloth mask is three layers of T-shirt fabric sandwiching a coffee filter. I suspect it is thicker and more effective than most surgical masks.
All that said, this study is actually fairly useless, as it tests the wrong thing. I never said my mask would keep me safe from the virus, I doubt in the strongest possible terms that it will. I do think it will attenuate the spread of virus should I become infected. That is a separate question that they did not address in this study.
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Key words being "managed and mitigated" risk. We pay hundreds of dollars for "certified" parts that would cost $5 on the open market because the government tells us to. Pilots take recurrent training because the government tells us to. IFR pilots won't fly in IMC if they are not "current" per the FAA rules. We don't drink and fly, we don't fly over gross, we make sure we have that stupid little compass correction card that nobody ever uses because the government mandates us to "be safe".
But people don't want to wear a $3 mask because they are not 100% guaranteed to keep them from catching a serious disease. Perhaps as pilots, we should fly in IMC using only an Ipad because it is not guaranteed to kill us.
Your $3 mask can likely create a moisture spot in front of your nose and mouth that acts as a wick when you walk through an aerosol germ cloud, allowing you to breath in the germs when you’re well past the person who sneezed or cough.
So pardon the hell out of me if I don’t want to risk my own health so you feel more comfortable.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4420971/?fbclid=IwAR0Vg9qxCoK9W2zUQVnvHf9GHm5tCc5jni8LPDgKErKRHMlA66EJxkO3n7A
Bingo.
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What I take away from this is that Vietnamese cloth masks are better than nothing, but Vietnamese medical masks are better than cloth masks. That's what their data indicate. What i don't know is what they mean by "cloth mask". My cloth mask is three layers of T-shirt fabric sandwiching a coffee filter. I suspect it is thicker and more effective than most surgical masks.
All that said, this study is actually fairly useless, as it tests the wrong thing. I never said my mask would keep me safe from the virus, I doubt in the strongest possible terms that it will. I do think it will attenuate the spread of virus should I become infected. That is a separate question that they did not address in this study.
Did you miss the part about an INCREASED risk of infection by wearing a mask?
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Your $3 mask can likely create a moisture spot in front of your nose and mouth that acts as a wick when you walk through an aerosol germ cloud, allowing you to breath in the germs when you’re well past the person who sneezed or cough.
So pardon the hell out of me if I don’t want to risk my own health so you feel more comfortable.
My $3 mask is better than most masks worn in hospitals. Of course, my wife is a doctor and she made our masks herself.
Of course, the $3 doesn't include the cost of the $2,000 sewing machine.
But to be perfectly honest, I feel my stated position is based on logic and the best information available. Personally, I'd just as soon nobody wears a mask. That way either a whole lot of people will develop a more robust immune system, or they will die removing a bunch of weaklings from the gene pool. It will probably also take out a lot of people that think they don't need to wear a mask because they are so tough.
So pardon the hell out of me if I don't care if you, and a whole bunch of other people die. The world has too many people anyway. My biggest regret is that might leave me in a world populated mostly with liberals.
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Did you miss the part about an INCREASED risk of infection by wearing a mask?
I didn't miss it because it simply wasn't there. The data didn't indicate that at all.
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My $3 mask is better than most masks worn in hospitals. Of course, my wife is a doctor and she made our masks herself.
Of course, the $3 doesn't include the cost of the $2,000 sewing machine.
But to be perfectly honest, I feel my stated position is based on logic and the best information available. Personally, I'd just as soon nobody wears a mask. That way either a whole lot of people will develop a more robust immune system, or they will die removing a bunch of weaklings from the gene pool. It will probably also take out a lot of people that think they don't need to wear a mask because they are so tough.
So pardon the hell out of me if I don't care if you, and a whole bunch of other people die. The world has too many people anyway. My biggest regret is that might leave me in a world populated mostly with liberals.
Sometimes you’ve got to clear the deadwood so the forest doesn’t burn.
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Your $3 mask can likely create a moisture spot in front of your nose and mouth that acts as a wick when you walk through an aerosol germ cloud, allowing you to breath in the germs when you’re well past the person who sneezed or cough.
So pardon the hell out of me if I don’t want to risk my own health so you feel more comfortable.
A surgical mask reused might do this. My multilayer mask simply will not. The inner layer of high density cotton might get damp, but the coffee filter won't, nor will the outer layer of high density cotton, nor will the outermost layer of T-shirt fabric. Moreover it gets washed on a daily basis. Surgical masks are made to be used once and discarded. If used appropriately they won't develop unsafe conditions either.
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My $3 mask is better than most masks worn in hospitals. Of course, my wife is a doctor and she made our masks herself.
Of course, the $3 doesn't include the cost of the $2,000 sewing machine.
LOL! And your wife's labor at $650/hour!
But to be perfectly honest, I feel my stated position is based on logic and the best information available. Personally, I'd just as soon nobody wears a mask. That way either a whole lot of people will develop a more robust immune system, or they will die removing a bunch of weaklings from the gene pool. It will probably also take out a lot of people that think they don't need to wear a mask because they are so tough.
So pardon the hell out of me if I don't care if you, and a whole bunch of other people die. The world has too many people anyway. My biggest regret is that might leave me in a world populated mostly with liberals.
I agree. The people that really feel at risk should self isolate and all others that are younger and/or healthy should just live their lives. I think the entire lock down was a huge mistake.
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So pardon the hell out of me if I don't care if you, and a whole bunch of other people die. The world has too many people anyway. My biggest regret is that might leave me in a world populated mostly with liberals.
Have you expressed this sentiment to your loved ones? I imagine if you did they'd have a strong opinion on which people were surplus.
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What I take away from this is that Vietnamese cloth masks are better than nothing, but Vietnamese medical masks are better than cloth masks. That's what their data indicate. What i don't know is what they mean by "cloth mask". My cloth mask is three layers of T-shirt fabric sandwiching a coffee filter. I suspect it is thicker and more effective than most surgical masks.
“Masks used in the study were locally manufactured medical (three layer, made of non-woven material) or cloth masks (two layer, made of cotton) commonly used in Vietnamese hospitals.”
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I've noticed that my well-fitted N95 mask makes my trips to WalMart much more pleasant. I should have worn one sooner.
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I didn't miss it because it simply wasn't there. The data didn't indicate that at all.
“The magnitude of difference between cloth masks and medical masks in the current study, if explained by efficacy of medical masks alone, translates to an efficacy of 92% against ILI, which is possible, but not consistent with the lack of efficacy in the two previous RCTs.8 9 Further, we found no significant difference in rates of virus isolation in medical mask users between the three trials, suggesting that the results of this study could be interpreted as partly being explained by a detrimental effect of cloth masks. This is further supported by the fact that the rate of virus isolation in the no-mask control group in the first Chinese RCT was 3.1%, which was not significantly different to the rates of virus isolation in the medical mask arms in any of the three trials including this one.”
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What I take away from this is that Vietnamese cloth masks are better than nothing, but Vietnamese medical masks are better than cloth masks. That's what their data indicate. What i don't know is what they mean by "cloth mask". My cloth mask is three layers of T-shirt fabric sandwiching a coffee filter. I suspect it is thicker and more effective than most surgical masks.
“Masks used in the study were locally manufactured medical (three layer, made of non-woven material) or cloth masks (two layer, made of cotton) commonly used in Vietnamese hospitals.”
I didn't miss it because it simply wasn't there. The data didn't indicate that at all.
“The magnitude of difference between cloth masks and medical masks in the current study, if explained by efficacy of medical masks alone, translates to an efficacy of 92% against ILI, which is possible, but not consistent with the lack of efficacy in the two previous RCTs.8 9 Further, we found no significant difference in rates of virus isolation in medical mask users between the three trials, suggesting that the results of this study could be interpreted as partly being explained by a detrimental effect of cloth masks. This is further supported by the fact that the rate of virus isolation in the no-mask control group in the first Chinese RCT was 3.1%, which was not significantly different to the rates of virus isolation in the medical mask arms in any of the three trials including this one.”
The perfesser's lack of reading comprehension strikes again..........
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What I take away from this is that Vietnamese cloth masks are better than nothing, but Vietnamese medical masks are better than cloth masks. That's what their data indicate. What i don't know is what they mean by "cloth mask". My cloth mask is three layers of T-shirt fabric sandwiching a coffee filter. I suspect it is thicker and more effective than most surgical masks.
All that said, this study is actually fairly useless, as it tests the wrong thing. I never said my mask would keep me safe from the virus, I doubt in the strongest possible terms that it will. I do think it will attenuate the spread of virus should I become infected. That is a separate question that they did not address in this study.
I suspect ::)
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I suspect ::)
A real scientist would understand the difference. ::)
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“The magnitude of difference between cloth masks and medical masks in the current study, if explained by efficacy of medical masks alone, translates to an efficacy of 92% against ILI, which is possible, but not consistent with the lack of efficacy in the two previous RCTs.8 9 Further, we found no significant difference in rates of virus isolation in medical mask users between the three trials, suggesting that the results of this study could be interpreted as partly being explained by a detrimental effect of cloth masks. This is further supported by the fact that the rate of virus isolation in the no-mask control group in the first Chinese RCT was 3.1%, which was not significantly different to the rates of virus isolation in the medical mask arms in any of the three trials including this one.”
If you examine their data set the cloth masks are less effective than surgical masks but more than the control group.
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Have you expressed this sentiment to your loved ones? I imagine if you did they'd have a strong opinion on which people were surplus.
We allow 40,000 people per year to be deemed "surplus" by accepting U.S. road deaths. EVERY YEAR.
We've accepted Flu and other illness deaths every year without lock downs and masks. Why is this different? Oh yes, we are leading up to a Presidential election where the Media, Democrats, Tech, Social Media, Education, and others want to get rid of Trump and are using the Virus Scam to create economic an social chaos.
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We allow 40,000 people per year to be deemed "surplus" by accepting U.S. road deaths. EVERY YEAR.
We've accepted Flu and other illness deaths every year without lock downs and masks. Why is this different? Oh yes, we are leading up to a Presidential election where the Media, Democrats, Tech, Social Media, Education, and others want to get rid of Trump and are using the Virus Scam to create economic an social chaos.
Let's take it a bit further. We have accepted 50,000 deaths per year due to opioid abuse. We have accepted over 7,000 suicides per year of veterans. And the party of hate, the democrats, say that murdering 600,000 babies per year via abortion is acceptable, even lately advocating infanticide.
Oh, and let's not forget that medical malpractice accounts for deaths between 250,000 to 400,000 per year.
So lets destroy everything around us over a virus that has a 99.5+% rate of survival. ::)
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A surgical mask reused might do this. My multilayer mask simply will not. The inner layer of high density cotton might get damp, but the coffee filter won't, nor will the outer layer of high density cotton, nor will the outermost layer of T-shirt fabric. Moreover it gets washed on a daily basis. Surgical masks are made to be used once and discarded. If used appropriately they won't develop unsafe conditions either.
Have you seen what happens to a cotton T-shirt that is washed every day? Eventually you can see through it.
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well, I think it's misleading (at best) to say we accept the number of opiod deaths, or suicides (any suicide) or the other types of deaths listed.
We haven't created a massive panic over any of them, but we have not accepted them. It's not a binary response set.
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We allow 40,000 people per year to be deemed "surplus" by accepting U.S. road deaths. EVERY YEAR.
We've accepted Flu and other illness deaths every year without lock downs and masks. Why is this different? Oh yes, we are leading up to a Presidential election where the Media, Democrats, Tech, Social Media, Education, and others want to get rid of Trump and are using the Virus Scam to create economic an social chaos.
So far the 'rona has killed more Americans not during flu season than 3 or 4 years of influenza might. And that's with us doing our utmost to keep rates of viral transmission low. And we don't accept influenza, we immunize the crap out of susceptible populations. Problem with influenza is it can recombine chromosomes, allowing it to evade immunity.
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US death rates per 100,000:
(https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/images/databriefs/351-400/db355_fig2.gif)
As a comparison, I've seen the Covid death rate at 40/100,000, but it's an older number. Anyone have a decent per 100,000 number?
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So far the 'rona has killed more Americans not during flu season than 3 or 4 years of influenza might. And that's with us doing our utmost to keep rates of viral transmission low. And we don't accept influenza, we immunize the crap out of susceptible populations. Problem with influenza is it can recombine chromosomes, allowing it to evade immunity.
And the masks, lock down and social distancing didn't change any of that. People are going to get it. Those that are very old and/or sick MAY die. Most deaths occurred in nursing homes because Government forced people into them.
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well, I think it's misleading (at best) to say we accept the number of opiod deaths, or suicides (any suicide) or the other types of deaths listed.
We haven't created a massive panic over any of them, but we have not accepted them. It's not a binary response set.
Yes we have accepted them. No outcries, no congressional demands for action, no "mandates" by any state executive. It's just a "problem", a talking point.
We know the root cause of the problems, just no one is willing to step up and mitigate it.
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So far the 'rona has killed more Americans not during flu season than 3 or 4 years of influenza might. And that's with us doing our utmost to keep rates of viral transmission low. And we don't accept influenza, we immunize the crap out of susceptible populations. Problem with influenza is it can recombine chromosomes, allowing it to evade immunity.
Are you actually comparing covid-19 to the influenza out of season?
Now you're claimiing that we are "doing our utmost to keep rates of viral transmission low"? oy, if that is what you think is the utmost, you need to get a reality check.
Sure, we have vaccines for the flu...and we still lose 35,000 to 60,000 people every season to the flu... partly because the damn fools with the flu don't stay home.
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https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2020/07/3-states-account-for-42-percent-of-all.html
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https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2020/07/3-states-account-for-42-percent-of-all.html
Bussing infected patients to nursing homes, but releasing infected prisoners into society.
This isn’t about Covid, people.
It’s the implantation of Orwell’s 1984.
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Bussing infected patients to nursing homes, but releasing infected prisoners into society.
This isn’t about Covid, people.
It’s the implantation of Orwell’s 1984.
The Virus over reaction and crashing of the economy, with all the Unconstitutional restrictions combined with the Black Lives Matter chaos we are currently experiencing is the implementation of MARXISM which was the Fundamental Transformation Obama promised. BLM admitted it.
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https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2020/07/3-states-account-for-42-percent-of-all.html
It couldn't have been because of people who traveled to China and got infected... nah, that couldn't possibly be how it happened.
(pay no attention to the Biogen employee that was told to self-quarantine and then he stopped at a food court on the his way home and also went to a party).
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It couldn't have been because of people who traveled to China and got infected... nah, that couldn't possibly be how it happened.
(pay no attention to the Biogen employee that was told to self-quarantine and then he stopped at a food court on the his way home and also went to a party).
Here's what I find interesting about all of this.
For years the left has tried every variation of climate change, global cooling, global warming, man made climate change, man made global warming, etc filled with every scare tactic available and telling us if we don't submit to immediate change, and put them in total control, we will all face certain death. They even had studies with charts, graphs and data to back up their claims.
Then in March Fauci and Birx march into the Oval Office armed with charts, graphs and data and tell the President that he must shut down the economy, force everyone to isolate and to submit to immediate change, and to put them in total control, or we all face certain death.
And it worked! Within two weeks the economy was crashed, unemployment skyrocketed and people were locked down. All in two freakin' weeks!
All those decades using climate change had failed, so just change the name and "tada!", results!
I honestly don't think they knew how wildly successful this was going to be. They shut down the country in days, without a fight. Honestly it was astonishing.
Remember how it was only to be 2 weeks to "flatten the curve"? Oh hell no! Now they had their new toy, one that worked beyond their wildest dreams. No way were they going to let go of this one!
Fast forward to today. To show how well this works, they have now forced an entire country into compliance with their demands. Yes, there is pushback in certain areas, but again, it has overwhelming success. And their data? Just make it up as you go and scream "denier!" at anyone who questions it.
Folks, this is not going away anytime soon. The scamdemic has finally given them everything they have tried for decades with climate scams, and is far more effective. You are going to see so many variations on this to fear monger and to demand, and get, change.
Pandora's Box has been opened.
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^^^^^Agree. This Virus response has been the Man Made Climate Change of Pandemics. Same scare tactics and doom and gloom predictions with the Democrats and MEDIA. The Media is driving the panic and giving credibility to the fake Democrat claims of required lock downs and masks.
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We allow 40,000 people per year to be deemed "surplus" by accepting U.S. road deaths. EVERY YEAR.
40,000 deaths/year vs over 130,000 deaths in ~3 months is quite a difference.
AND, we have spent "billions and billions" in an effort to reduce highway deaths through government and market mandated safety enhancements. When I was a kid, we didn't even have seat belts. If we could
As for the flu, not only do we have vaccines (of varying effectiveness) we have recognized treatments and testing. We are in the infancy of developing these for COVID.
Now if you had brought up the nearly one million abortions per year, I might not have had much to argue with.
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40,000 deaths/year vs over 130,000 deaths in ~3 months is quite a difference.
Yes it is. In just ten years that's 400,000.
AND, we have spent "billions and billions" in an effort to reduce highway deaths through government and market mandated safety enhancements. When I was a kid, we didn't even have seat belts.
Nor did you have electricity, running water, the Dinosaurs roamed..........
;D
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Imagine a virus so deadly you have to be tested to know if you even have it.
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Imagine a virus so deadly you have to be tested to know if you even have it.
Anyone notice the reluctance to test everyone?
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Imagine a virus so deadly you have to be tested to know if you even have it.
Again the Sultan of Stupid strikes. You must rule over stupid hell. You can transmit the virus to others before you ever have it. The part where you wind up bedridden for weeks or in the ER comes later. Duh.
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Again the Sultan of Stupid strikes. You must rule over stupid hell. You can transmit the virus to others before you ever have it. The part where you wind up bedridden for weeks or in the ER comes later. Duh.
Sorry, I don’t listen to career academics who have never held an actual job in their field.
“Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach”.
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Again the Sultan of Stupid strikes. You must rule over stupid hell. You can transmit the virus to others before you ever have it. The part where you wind up bedridden for weeks or in the ER comes later. Duh.
Why don’t you just admit that you are a fucking moron and go away?
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Again the Sultan of Stupid strikes. You must rule over stupid hell. You can transmit the virus to others before you ever have it. The part where you wind up bedridden for weeks or in the ER comes later. Duh.
"You can transmit the virus to others before you ever have it". Really? I don't have the virus, yet I can still transmit it? How exactly does that work?
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"You can transmit the virus to others before you ever have it". Really? I don't have the virus, yet I can still transmit it? How exactly does that work?
Just in case you are being serious, I think you know that he means you can transmit the virus before you (know you) have it.
It appears to me that the idiots on the left that want to shutdown the economy and destroy our way of life are just as bad as the idiots on the right that believe the virus is a hoax and that we shouldn't take any precautions because some of them aren't perfect. And they all scorn those of us in the middle that think a little bit of precaution is called for, just in case it might protect a few people.
Why does it have to be all or nothing with so many people? I think wearing a mask is a small price to pay to possibly mitigate a bit of the risk? The "No Masker's" remind me of the anti-vaccine crowd; "To hell with the millions of lives it might save, vaccines aren't perfect and might have rare side effects on some people so nobody should use them."
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"You can transmit the virus to others before you ever have it". Really? I don't have the virus, yet I can still transmit it? How exactly does that work?
It’s that magic communist bullshit fairy at work....
steingar and he/she/it are good friends.
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It was the way he said it. You can have the virus and not know it, being asymptomatic and pass it along to someone who is very vulnerable. My wife is at high risk of perishing from the virus, and I do everything I can to prevent bringing it home. Wearing an N95, using sanitizer often, and scrubbing down when I come home is a small price to pay to keep her healthy. I know that I can't depend on others to not spread the virus. It's up to me to keep me and my family safe. Just like it's always been.
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Why don’t you just admit that you are a fucking moron and go away?
Every village has it's idiot. The perfesser comes here to troll when he's bored, or when other forums slap him around a while.
He's quite harmless and enjoys making a spectacle of himself.
(https://i.imgur.com/S3zvJd8.gif)
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"You can transmit the virus to others before you ever have it". Really? I don't have the virus, yet I can still transmit it? How exactly does that work?
OK, I deserve the derision. What I meant to write, but got in a hurry due to my utter incredulity at how utterly stupid some of my fellow Americans can be, is that you can be infected, be shedding live virus, be perfectly capable of infecting others yet not know you have the virus or even be symptomatic. I've never ever seen another virus that can pull this off. Most bugs don't become infective until they've built up titers in your respiratory system. But COVID doesn't seem to suffer this limitation. A highly infective virus that can turn lethal. It's like something out of science fiction.
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. I've never ever seen another virus that can pull this off.
You haven't seen it because you don't actually work in the field and never have. Teaching a subject does not equal actual working knowledge.
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You haven't seen it because you don't actually work in the field and never have. Teaching a subject does not equal actual working knowledge.
Taught a course in virology once, and I've worked in a number of virology labs and used retro and lentivirus vectors for transfection in tissue culture cells in my own lab. In fact, back in the 90's I heard a seminar from a prominent Genetic Therapy researcher who said they were going to use retroviruses to gene therapy. I asked how they were going to prevent the viruses from integrating in the wrong place and killing their patients. I was of course booed down and called a stupid grad student. Can you guess what happened to the first trial of of retroviral gene therapy?
And what is your great experience in Viral research and therapy, other than acquiring venereal disease?
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Taught a course in virology once, and I've worked in a number of virology labs. In fact, back in the 90's I heard a seminar from a prominent Genetic Therapy researcher who said they were going to use retroviruses to gene therapy. I asked how they were going to prevent the viruses from integrating in the wrong place and killing their patients. I was of course booed down and called a stupid grad student. Can you guess what happened to the first trial of of retroviral gene therapy?
I stand by what I wrote. You never actually "worked" anywhere outside of academia. You never held a job that you had to produce anything. Your whole experience is based on theories, not working knowledge.
Your demeanor proves that out. You wouldn't last a week in a work environment outside academia. The real world doesn't offer the protections you have in your academic bubble.
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It was the way he said it. You can have the virus and not know it, being asymptomatic and pass it along to someone who is very vulnerable. My wife is at high risk of perishing from the virus, and I do everything I can to prevent bringing it home. Wearing an N95, using sanitizer often, and scrubbing down when I come home is a small price to pay to keep her healthy. I know that I can't depend on others to not spread the virus. It's up to me to keep me and my family safe. Just like it's always been.
Respectively, I hope you were doing all that each flu season... and will continue
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I stand by what I wrote. You never actually "worked" anywhere outside of academia. You never held a job that you had to produce anything. Your whole experience is based on theories, not working knowledge.
Your demeanor proves that out. You wouldn't last a week in a work environment outside academia. The real world doesn't offer the protections you have in your academic bubble.
And who's to say that you aren't just a 31 year-old eating mayonnaise out of a jar in your mother's basement?
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It was the way he said it. You can have the virus and not know it, being asymptomatic and pass it along to someone who is very vulnerable. My wife is at high risk of perishing from the virus, and I do everything I can to prevent bringing it home. Wearing an N95, using sanitizer often, and scrubbing down when I come home is a small price to pay to keep her healthy. I know that I can't depend on others to not spread the virus. It's up to me to keep me and my family safe. Just like it's always been.
I doubt strongly that an N95 mask will protect you from a virus, sorry. The particulates those masks protect against are far larger than the size of a viral particle. The masks will keep you from transmitting the virus simply by containing your break and presenting an adherent surface for virions. But one viral particle is enough to set up and active infection, and no mask can protect against that. Social distancing is really the only weapon you have. I'm in the same boat, I am very concerned for the welfare of my spouse.
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consider virus strand vs droplet containing a virus payload.
but, if you wish, alert the CDC and all the actual medical experts worldwide that perfessor POS has spoken.
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And who's to say that you aren't just a 31 year-old eating mayonnaise out of a jar in your mother's basement?
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Respectively, I hope you were doing all that each flu season... and will continue
Influenza has an utterly different modality of infection, as do most other viral diseases. Usually you don't get to be infective until you're sneezing and coughing. The respiratory symptoms come from the immune system fighting off the virus, but the symptoms also help propel the virus great distances.
You are right about one thing. Influenza and other viruses can be spread prior to the onset of symptoms, but it takes far more intimate contact. The 'rona is just that much more infective than the flu. More often lethal, too.
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Influenza has an utterly different modality of infection, as do most other viral diseases. Usually you don't get to be infective until you're sneezing and coughing. The respiratory symptoms come from the immune system fighting off the virus, but the symptoms also help propel the virus great distances.
You are right about one thing. Influenza and other viruses can be spread prior to the onset of symptoms, but it takes far more intimate contact. The 'rona is just that much more infective than the flu. More often lethal, too.
Is it really more lethal? Or are the covid deaths being reported with false numbers? People are dying of other causes who have a positive covid test and it's being reported as a covid death, even if they don't have symptoms or having covid causing the death. When funding is tied to covid deaths, can you really trust what's being reported?
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That's really funny. The target of more insults than anyone else on this forum, by a wide margin and you are criticizing him because of a minor jab he gave to you. Did you get your wittle feelings hurt?
The worst thing about this forum is that it makes me defend Steingar. Not that he'd ever mention it or appreciate it.
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The 'rona is just that much more infective than the flu. More often lethal, too.
Yep, you have a 99.5+% chance of not dying from it. ::)
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That's really funny. The target of more insults than anyone else on this forum, by a wide margin and you are criticizing him because of a minor jab he gave to you. Did you get your wittle feelings hurt?
The worst thing about this forum is that it makes me defend Steingar. Not that he'd ever mention it or appreciate it.
I was just pointing out, once again, the perfesser's MO on here and other forums (at least he's consistent). That meme sums him up rather eloquently.
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Just in case you are being serious, I think you know that he means you can transmit the virus before you (know you) have it.
It appears to me that the idiots on the left that want to shutdown the economy and destroy our way of life are just as bad as the idiots on the right that believe the virus is a hoax and that we shouldn't take any precautions because some of them aren't perfect. And they all scorn those of us in the middle that think a little bit of precaution is called for, just in case it might protect a few people.
Why does it have to be all or nothing with so many people? I think wearing a mask is a small price to pay to possibly mitigate a bit of the risk? The "No Masker's" remind me of the anti-vaccine crowd; "To hell with the millions of lives it might save, vaccines aren't perfect and might have rare side effects on some people so nobody should use them."
You have yet to acknowledge or respond to now two posts regarding the risk to the mask wearer that the virus can wick onto the moisture area of the mask, allowing you to breath in the virus for a long time.
Who’s the denier?
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You have yet to acknowledge or respond to now two posts regarding the risk to the mask wearer that the virus can wick onto the moisture area of the mask, allowing you to breath in the virus for a long time.
Who’s the denier?
I didn't realize that was a serious question to which you actually wanted an answer.
Risks are relative. I feel the risk of which you speak is small and manageable. The only time I ever had a moisture problem on a mask was when I was cleaning out a dusty warehouse on a hot and very humid day. I was sweating and breathing heavy. There was no viral or bacterial threat, but I changed masks anyway as the moisture mixed with the dust to clog it up.
I look at it the same as I look at people that don't wear seat belts because they heard of a crash where the non-belted occupant was thrown clear of an exploding car. Had he been belted in, he would likely have died. But compare that to the number of lives SAVED by seat belts and that risk seems insignificant.
Yeah, a lot of people wear crappy masks and bandannas, and a lot of people wear the masks incorrectly (below the nose) and they fidget with the mask, and THEY EVEN TAKE IT OFF AND PUT IT BACK ON every time they get in and out of their car. But overall, masks reduce the rate of transmission of the virus. It's just cheap, but admittedly imperfect, protection against a potentially fatal disease.
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I didn't realize that was a serious question to which you actually wanted an answer.
Risks are relative. I feel the risk of which you speak is small and manageable. The only time I ever had a moisture problem on a mask was when I was cleaning out a dusty warehouse on a hot and very humid day. I was sweating and breathing heavy. There was no viral or bacterial threat, but I changed masks anyway as the moisture mixed with the dust to clog it up.
I look at it the same as I look at people that don't wear seat belts because they heard of a crash where the non-belted occupant was thrown clear of an exploding car. Had he been belted in, he would likely have died. But compare that to the number of lives SAVED by seat belts and that risk seems insignificant.
Yeah, a lot of people wear crappy masks and bandannas, and a lot of people wear the masks incorrectly (below the nose) and they fidget with the mask, and THEY EVEN TAKE IT OFF AND PUT IT BACK ON every time they get in and out of their car. But overall, masks reduce the rate of transmission of the virus. It's just cheap, but admittedly imperfect, protection against a potentially fatal disease.
You honestly don’t think you build up moisture by breathing through the mask?
I wear glasses. Every single breath I take the mask fogs up my glasses. Every single breath. Where is that moisture coming from?
You’re a pilot. What do you think those fog molecules consist of?
You don’t sweat in Florida? Especially if you KEEP YOUR MASK ON IN THE CAR? (Just mimicking you’re dramatic capitalization about people who have the audacity to take a mask off in the car.)
You may think the risk to the wearer is remote. That’s a subjective opinion based on no science nor observable fact. Sorry, I’ll take my health more seriously.
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Influenza has an utterly different modality of infection, as do most other viral diseases. Usually you don't get to be infective until you're sneezing and coughing. The respiratory symptoms come from the immune system fighting off the virus, but the symptoms also help propel the virus great distances.
You are right about one thing. Influenza and other viruses can be spread prior to the onset of symptoms, but it takes far more intimate contact. The 'rona is just that much more infective than the flu. More often lethal, too.
for those interested in facts: compare and contrast the following information from the CDC wrt influenza and covid-19
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htm
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html
yup - completely different ::)
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I didn't realize that was a serious question to which you actually wanted an answer.
Risks are relative. I feel the risk of which you speak is small and manageable. The only time I ever had a moisture problem on a mask was when I was cleaning out a dusty warehouse on a hot and very humid day. I was sweating and breathing heavy. There was no viral or bacterial threat, but I changed masks anyway as the moisture mixed with the dust to clog it up.
I look at it the same as I look at people that don't wear seat belts because they heard of a crash where the non-belted occupant was thrown clear of an exploding car. Had he been belted in, he would likely have died. But compare that to the number of lives SAVED by seat belts and that risk seems insignificant.
Yeah, a lot of people wear crappy masks and bandannas, and a lot of people wear the masks incorrectly (below the nose) and they fidget with the mask, and THEY EVEN TAKE IT OFF AND PUT IT BACK ON every time they get in and out of their car. But overall, masks reduce the rate of transmission of the virus. It's just cheap, but admittedly imperfect, protection against a potentially fatal disease.
Regarding dust ... I once cleaned out a dry and dusty area and ended up with a nasty, persistent cough. Finally went to the doctor and he said there are bacteria that live in dust and I’d contracted an infection. A course of antibiotics cleared it.
So I learned to wear a mask for all dry and dusty work. There CAN be a bacterial threat in dust.
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You honestly don’t think you build up moisture by breathing through the mask?
I wear glasses. Every single breath I take the mask fogs up my glasses. Every single breath. Where is that moisture coming from?
You’re a pilot. What do you think those fog molecules consist of?
I breathe through my mask, and yes, that does expel a bait of moisture. But I have never had a mask develop a wet spot as if I were spitting and drooling in my mask.
You don’t sweat in Florida? Especially if you KEEP YOUR MASK ON IN THE CAR? (Just mimicking you’re dramatic capitalization about people who have the audacity to take a mask off in the car.)
Capitalizing the thing about putting masks on and off was a side barb at whoever it was that said they don't get why people wear a mask while alone it their car, as if fear were the reason.
You may think the risk to the wearer is remote. That’s a subjective opinion based on no science nor observable fact. Sorry, I’ll take my health more seriously.
We apparently disagree, and that's ok, but I definitely think the health benefits of wearing a mask outweigh the risks brought on by that mask. My biggest problem with masks is that I don't hear well as it is, but if I can see the persons lips while they talk it helps me understand what they are saying. Masks really mess me up in that regard, but as Jimmy Buffet said:
Now he lives in the islands
fishes the pylons
and drinks his green label each day
he's writing his memoirs
and losing his hearing
but he don't care what most people say
I always thought he was talking about me.
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I was the person that questioned why people wear masks alone in the car because it is STUPID. I saw a guy riding a motorcycle wearing mask, yet no helmet. In fact I have seen that a few times now. Insane. He'll die of head trauma, but at least he "felt" safe from the virus. Morons.
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I was the person that questioned why people wear masks alone in the car because it is STUPID. I say a guy riding a motorcycle wearing mask, yet no helmet. In fact I have seen that a few times now. Insane. He'll die of head trauma, but at least he "felt" safe from the virus. Morons.
nah, it gives him an excuse to avoid chowing down on bugs...he might thinks it doesn't make him look stupid, but...
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https://news.bloomberglaw.com/coronavirus/states-starting-to-crack-down-on-coronavirus-rule-breakers-1
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Why don’t they just issue them mask, force social distancing?
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/10/889861014/california-will-release-up-to-8-000-prisoners-due-to-coronavirus
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I was the person that questioned why people wear masks alone in the car because it is STUPID. I saw a guy riding a motorcycle wearing mask, yet no helmet. In fact I have seen that a few times now. Insane. He'll die of head trauma, but at least he "felt" safe from the virus. Morons.
Wearing a mask alone in the car is like being alone in bed and wearing a condom.
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Wearing a mask alone in the car is like being alone in bed and wearing a condom.
Yesterday I had to go to the hardware store, the pool supply store and the grocery store. They were all about a half mile apart.
When I got to the HW store, I put on the mask, went in, got a few drip irrigation couplers and returned to my car (after paying of course). At my car I debated taking the mask off, because I only had one, but my next stop was minutes away and I would just have to put it on again so I left it on. Again returning to my car I left the mask on for the 3 or 4 minute drive to the grocery store. Fifteen minutes or so later I again returned to my car for the trip home. So I took my mask off.
Now please tell me why you think I should have taken the mask off and on three times?
Your post was funny enough, and I did laugh at it. But it made me think about those three ladies lined up to get in your bedroom and the fact that you only have one condom. Do you take it off and put it back on each time one of the ladies leaves when you know the next one will be in to see you in a few minutes? :P ;)
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Yesterday I had to go to the hardware store, the pool supply store and the grocery store. They were all about a half mile apart.
When I got to the HW store, I put on the mask, went in, got a few drip irrigation couplers and returned to my car (after paying of course). At my car I debated taking the mask off, because I only had one, but my next stop was minutes away and I would just have to put it on again so I left it on. Again returning to my car I left the mask on for the 3 or 4 minute drive to the grocery store. Fifteen minutes or so later I again returned to my car for the trip home. So I took my mask off.
Now please tell me why you think I should have taken the mask off and on three times?
Your post was funny enough, and I did laugh at it. But it made me think about those three ladies lined up to get in your bedroom and the fact that you only have one condom. Do you take it off and put it back on each time one of the ladies leaves when you know the next one will be in to see you in a few minutes? :P ;)
I would take it off to blast the AC on my face. Been in the 90s in Ohio this past week. If I'm lucky enough to have 3 ladies lined up to take advantage of me, I'm gonna pop a handful of viagra and get busy. Lack of condoms ain't going to stop me.
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This dumbass has been set up, and continues hook, line and sinker.
https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/10/greg-abbott-shutdown-texas-mask-order/
Now, by making that statement, the progressives will ensure that those numbers go up as they are all in to restart the lock downs.
Such dumbassery.
With Texas continuing to break records for new coronavirus deaths and hospitalizations this week, Gov. Greg Abbott reiterated Friday afternoon that things will continue to get worse. And if people keep flouting his new statewide mask mandate, he said, the next step could be another economic lockdown.
“Things will get worse, and let me explain why,” he told KLBK TV in Lubbock. “The deaths that we’re seeing announced today and yesterday — which are now over 100 — those are people who likely contracted COVID-19 in late May.
“The worst is yet to come as we work our way through that massive increase in people testing positive.”
Texans will also likely see an increase in cases next week, Abbott said, and people abiding by his face mask requirement might be the only thing standing between businesses remaining open and another shutdown.
“The public needs to understand this was a very tough decision for me to make,” Abbott told KLBK of his face mask mandate. “I made clear that I made this tough decision for one reason: It was our last best effort to slow the spread of COVID-19. If we do not slow the spread of COVID-19 … the next step would have to be a lockdown.”
Abbott has pushed that message repeatedly in television interviews this week. But he emphasized Friday that another shutdown was not imminent and he pointed to steps he has taken so far to scale back reopening in an effort to curb the spread of the coronavirus, including the mask order and a requirement that bars, once again, close their doors. He has also tightened restaurant capacity limits.
Texas reported 100 more coronavirus deaths on Thursday, another record.
In a statement following Abbott’s interviews, the Texas Democratic Party said any further shutdowns would be Abbott’s fault.
“By reopening Texas prematurely, Abbott put all of us at risk for rising cases and a second shutdown,” said spokesman Abhi Rahman. “That’s exactly what has happened so far. Abbott’s mismanagement of the coronavirus crisis has made Texas one of the most dangerous states to live in, completely tanked our economy, and shown the entire world just how incompetent Trump and Abbott are.”
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More proof that the lockdown is a scam: This video shows Dr. Anthony Fauci removing his mask when he thought he was no longer being filmed
What a loser.
https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2020/07/03/anthony-fauci/
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What a loser.
https://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2020/07/03/anthony-fauci/
"It's symbolic"- Dr. Fauci
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https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/10/fauci-is-a-deep-state-fraud/
I knew for sure that Anthony Fauci is a fraud after listening to him for about 10 seconds—as anyone who listens carefully would have known as well. President Trump had been charging the Chinese government with obscurancy and deception in its handling of the novel coronavirus outbreak. Fauci had dealt intimately with the Chinese on that matter. His National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and the Centers for Disease Control had partially financed the notorious Wuhan laboratory where Chinese scientists were researching the virus. Fauci knew a lot.
A reporter asked Fauci if he agreed with Trump that the Chinese have not been fully forthcoming about the scope of the pandemic. Fauci answered that although the Chinese had lacked candor in previous years, this time they had turned over “the sequence of the virus.” Spoken like a wily swamp reptile!
His words were factually correct. The Chinese had turned over all they knew about the virus’s “sequence”—namely, its genetic structure. But the reporter and the audience neither knew nor cared about that. They were interested in the Chinese government’s misrepresentations of the virus’s contagion, fatality rate, and so forth. That is what they had dissembled and lied about.
Fauci’s answer artfully deceived the audience into believing the opposite of the truth. Thus did Fauci help plant a dagger between Trump’s shoulder blades and help his party—the Democrats and the deep state—extort the American people’s compliance to their agendas.
Deep State Doctor
Donald Trump’s decision to accredit Dr. Anthony Fauci as the COVID-19 pandemic’s guru is largely responsible for the extent of the panic that gripped America in the spring and now summer. Fauci is a bona fide graduate of medical school. Many attest to his earlier epidemiological brilliance. But none of the words by which he has helped inflict chaos on America have reflected either medical or epidemiological facts. Fauci has acted as, and has been, a politicized, partisan bureaucrat while pretending to be the disinterested authority of physicians and scientists.
The pretense that COVID-19 is something like, and hence is to be treated like, the plague is the essence of the scam that the deep state and the Democratic Party are perpetrating on America. Anthony Fauci’s pseudo-medical, pseudo-scientific pretense is the foremost pillar of that lie.
Sowing and maintaining confusion about the severity of cases of COVID-19 infections—indeed, about the very meaning of the word “case”—has been the heart of that lie.
Understanding the truth begins with comparing the infection/fatality rate (IFR) of ordinary seasonal flu, 0.01 percent, with that of the bubonic plague or smallpox—around 30 percent—and then realizing that COVID-19’s IFR is roughly that of the flu.
Although Fauci was not the sole author of the confusion, he surely was most influential in spreading it. And it was a lie, because by January Fauci knew that, despite the Chinese government’s indications and media management to the contrary, COVID-19 was what we in the West have since learned from experience: deadly to the very old and otherwise compromised, but milder than most flu strains for just about everyone else.
That knowledge notwithstanding, Fauci concurred with the mathematical modelers’ dire forecasts of frightful across-the-board mortality rates. He substantiated their (baseless) assumptions of an IFR around 5 percent for everyone by citing as a “case” any sick person who tested positive for the virus or who had a fever, cough, and other respiratory symptoms like those caused by the virus. He then agreed that all such persons who died should have their deaths attributed to the virus.
In late March, Fauci convinced President Trump that a wave of such deadly “cases” would overwhelm America’s healthcare system unless Americans huddled at home. Trump agreed. (Remember, “15 Days to Slow the Spread”?) Thereafter, the lockdowns took on a momentum of their own.
Mindless Momentum
So mindless of reality was this momentum that it shoved aside the only medical fact that made any difference, namely, the vulnerability of old, fragile people. Hence, Fauci’s CDC, all keen to free up hospital space, advised state and local health systems to transfer all manner of patients into nursing homes and long-term care facilities.
Thus did Fauci’s CDC become the efficient cause of the holocaust that killed perhaps 60,000 practically captive old folks.
By mid-April however, as the great wave simply was not happening, any number of independent studies were establishing COVID-19’s true, low IFR. Fauci retreated, no longer linking “cases” to deaths, he used the panic he had helped foment and the credit that Trump had naively given him, to finagle Trump into agreeing to a staged plan to end the lockdowns which, upon closer look, was really a plan for perpetuating them regardless of what happened.
The essence of this fraud is the pretense that all COVID-19 infections are “cases” requiring sequestration and quarantine, even if they involve persons to whom the virus poses no danger—i.e., nearly all Americans. To keep down the number of “cases” Fauci now preaches, Americans must be willing to accept any number of arbitrary restrictions, not least of which is superintendence by “contact tracers” empowered to allow or disallow anyone from ordinary employment and human contact.
To grasp Fauci’s dishonesty—being anything but ignorant, he knows exactly what he is doing—we need not recall his self-contradictions regarding the wearing of masks or regarding the risks associated with Holy Communion versus sex with strangers. Let us only recall what this board-certified physician has said and done about the drug hydroxychloroquine.
This standard antimalarial drug’s usefulness against COVID-19 was discovered accidentally as physicians around the world found it useful for treating patients, especially in the disease’s early and mid-stages. President Trump praised it.
The deep state howled. Fauci tried to backstab Trump by pointing out that the drug had not been specifically approved to treat COVID-19. Reporters refused to accept a backhanded put-down. When one asked whether he would take the drug were he infected with COVID-19, Fauci said yes, but qualified that he would do so only as part of an FDA study. Later, as the deep state’s campaign against “Trump’s drug” produced studies obviously biased against it, Fauci happily retreated to saying that the drug was now off the table.
But by June, as major peer-reviewed studies confirmed hydroxychloroquine’s usefulness, Fauci remained silent. He was doing the best he could for his class. Not for us.
This is not how scientists behave. Much less is it how doctors behave who take seriously the Hippocratic Oath. Fauci, unfortunately, behaves as an ordinary creature of the Washington swamp.
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Fauci needs to be fired and embarrassed. He has been wrong much of the time and also flip flopped so many times that his input has been destructive and counterproductive. He's a Lefts, Progressive that is working against the best interest of the country.
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Fauci needs to be fired and embarrassed. He has been wrong much of the time and also flip flopped so many times that his input has been destructive and counterproductive. He's a Lefts, Progressive that is working against the best interest of the country.
Unfortunately he can't be fired. But what should happen is the WH should stop giving him a platform and bring in some independent experts that aren't being driven by ideology.
Bureaucrats making health decisions is always bad. Politicians making health decisions is worse.
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Unfortunately he can't be fired. But what should happen is the WH should stop giving him a platform and bring in some independent experts that aren't being driven by ideology.
Bureaucrats making health decisions is always bad. Politicians making health decisions is worse.
If the White House brought in a new set of experts, they would still be driven by a different ideology, and would probably be just as wrong.
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If the White House brought in a new set of experts, they would still be driven by a different ideology, and would probably be just as wrong.
Perhaps. So you don’t believe there are any experts available without political agendas?
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Perhaps. So you don’t believe there are any experts available without political agendas?
I would hope there are. Everything has been politicized by the LEFT in our society. Heath, Climate, Sports, Business, Sex, Gender, Race, Ethnicity, etc. Every f*cking thing.
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I would hope there are. Everything has been politicized by the LEFT in our society. Heath, Climate, Sports, Business, Sex, Gender, Race, Ethnicity, etc. Every f*cking thing.
I believe there are. Maybe what Joe is trying to say is he believes the administration would only want conservative leaning ideological types instead of experts who don’t let politics sway their opinion.
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Perhaps. So you don’t believe there are any experts available without political agendas?
Of course there are, but (1) They would not work for a politician and (2) Even if they would, no politician would hire them if they would not submit to the required agenda.
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Of course there are, but (1) They would not work for a politician and (2) Even if they would, no politician would hire them if they would not submit to the required agenda.
So in order for the federal government to hire an expert, the expert must be vetted for political affiliation? Or is it in order for an expert to give professional advice, he must first ensure the administration meets with his political leanings?
How is it someone (professional) such as Jonathan Turley or Alan Dershowitz able to offer professional services to a republican administration? (They are both liberals)
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Turley is a Law Professor that appears to be straight forward in his approach to the law. Also believe he is more of a “classical” Democrat.
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Turkey is a Law Professor that appears to be straight forward in his approach to the law. Also believe he is more of a “classical” Democrat.
And to be fair, there are some liberals that are true to their professions and separate the ideology from their work. Same goes for conservatives.
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Made the mistake of turning on the local TV news this morning. More Virus doom and gloom talking about huge numbers of cases now, spikes and second and third waves. It is relentless pounding of the airwaves of this propaganda. The next story was about a cop in Allentown that had his knee on the neck of some Black guy. The feigned outrage and racial divisiveness was sickening. All hate Whitey all the time.
The Media is fixated on:
1. Virus panic and societal/economic destruction is the "New Normal".
2. America has epidemic Systemic Racism.
This is almost ALL they talk about constantly.
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https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809 (https://medium.com/@vernunftundrichtigkeit/coronavirus-why-everyone-was-wrong-fce6db5ba809)
Why everyone was wrongThe coronavirus is slowly retreating. What actually happened in the past few weeks? The experts have missed basic connections. The immune response against the virus is much stronger than we thought.By Beda M Stadler
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A story in today's Boston Herald is about the linger symptoms caused by serious covid-19 illness.
No acknowledgement of the overwhelming number of people that have, at worst, mild symptoms and fully recover
All doom and gloom.
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Made the mistake of turning on the local TV news this morning. More Virus doom and gloom talking about huge numbers of cases now, spikes and second and third waves. It is relentless pounding of the airwaves of this propaganda. The next story was about a cop in Allentown that had his knee on the neck of some Black guy. The feigned outrage and racial divisiveness was sickening. All hate Whitey all the time.
The Media is fixated on:
1. Virus panic and societal/economic destruction is the "New Normal".
2. America has epidemic Systemic Racism.
This is almost ALL they talk about constantly.
My wife and I have given up. Except for Tucker Carlson, literally nothing else is watchable, including my evening local news.
We’ve been recording old episodes of The Office, M.A.S.H., and other old shows.
MeTV is a network that just shows classic shows. Good stuff.
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My wife and I have given up. Except for Tucker Carlson, literally nothing else is watchable, including my evening local news.
We’ve been recording old episodes of The Office, M.A.S.H., and other old shows.
MeTV is a network that just shows classic shows. Good stuff.
I cut cable a long time ago, so don't see Tucker any longer. I do watch his content sometimes on the Fox website. I like Gutfeld too. I actually have an antenna and get a lot of old programming and I stream so can watch what I want on that. However, all the streaming services are highly PC, Woke, SJW's and BLM promoters so I may get rid of Amazon Prime which is the only service I have.
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https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/lockdown-2-0-this-new-wave-of-lockdowns-will-ensure-the-u-s-remains-in-an-economic-depression-through-the-2020-election/
Another wave of lockdowns has begun, and that is really bad news for the U.S. economy. The first wave of lockdowns resulted in the permanent closing of more than 100,000 U.S. businesses, colossal lines at food banks around the nation, and the loss of tens of millions of jobs. Needless to say, this new wave of lockdowns will make things even worse, and some are speculating that this is precisely what Democrats want. If the U.S. economy continues to fall apart as we approach the election in November, the thinking is that this will make President Trump look bad and will make it more likely that people will cast votes for Democrats. But there is also the possibility that this could backfire in a huge way for the left. If millions of Americans start to identify the Democrats as “the party of the lockdowns”, that could actually greatly help President Trump in November.
At this point, the battle lines are becoming quite clear. President Trump and other top Republicans are strongly against more lockdowns, but Democratic politicians in many areas of the country are starting to institute them anyway. In fact, we just learned that all schools in Los Angeles, San Diego, Atlanta and Nashville will be closed at the beginning of the new school year…
Resisting pressure from President Donald Trump, three of the nation’s largest school districts said Monday that they will begin the new school year with all students learning from home.
Schools in Los Angeles, San Diego and Atlanta will begin entirely online, officials said Monday. Schools in Nashville plan to do the same, at least through Labor Day.
Other major cities are expected to follow suit. Of course considering the quality of the education in most of our public schools, most of those kids won’t exactly be missing too much.
Ultimately, closing the schools won’t have too much of an economic impact, but shutting down most of the businesses in our largest state certainly will. On Monday, California Governor Gavin Newsom announced a comprehensive lockdown for 30 California counties which account for “about 80 percent of California’s population”…
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https://www.redstate.com/michael_thau/2020/07/13/many-medical-experts-were-against-lockdowns-the-media-just-didnt-want-us-know/
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From the New England Journal of Medicine:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372
We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic.
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With mask requirements increasing, I’m ready.
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With mask requirements increasing, I’m ready.
I ordered one. Should be here any day.
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I ordered one. Should be here any day.
And it will be funny to see people demand that you take your mask off!
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I also like the "My Governor is an IDIOT" masks.
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I also like the "My Governor is an IDIOT" masks.
That's a compliment.
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https://texasscorecard.com/local/texas-new-coronavirus-criteria-could-artificially-spike-collin-county-cases/
https://texasscorecard.com/state/texas-health-dept-reported-inflated-coronavirus-cases-for-bexar-county/
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/larry-c-johnson-mad-mask-hysteria-pandemic-hyper-hypocrisy/
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https://texasscorecard.com/local/texas-new-coronavirus-criteria-could-artificially-spike-collin-county-cases/
https://texasscorecard.com/state/texas-health-dept-reported-inflated-coronavirus-cases-for-bexar-county/
To be fair, I believe that reporting of other mortality data is similar in that deaths can be reported as <whatever>-related. The keyword is "-related"
The CDC provisional death data (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm) is, I believe, reporting -related deaths rather than primary cause of death. And given the lack of autopies performed (I believe autopsies are not normally performed unless there are legal requirements), most deaths certificates will list a probable cause rather than a definitive cause.
Having said that, it certainly sounds scarier to inflate the number of covid-19 deaths rather than being honest and clear.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Let's look at the data for Texas, specifically the excess deaths data
The CDC lists 2879 covid-19 related deaths (as of 15 July, but remember there is a delay in getting the data to the CDC)
The number of deaths from all causes is 94727, which is 102% of the expected number... a little math and we get an excess number of deaths of 1857.
So, it's not unreasonable to think that about 1857 deaths are due to COVID-19 rather than being merely related to COVID-19 (the presumption being COVID-19 is the main difference this year).
But all that is probably too hard for the general population to grasp in a sound-bite. It requires thought and understanding of what the data really consists of.
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Told my wife I should get one that says, "I'm wearing this mask just to make you feel better about yourself"
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or maybe, "I wear this mask because you're too stupid to understand"
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Told my wife I should get one that says, "I'm wearing this mask just to make you feel better about yourself"
"I support cowards-- by force"
"If you can smell my farts your mask is useless"
"We are all Muslim women now"
"F*ck Liberals"
"What is thy bidding, my Master?"
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Yes, these are really silver bullets.
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https://amgreatness.com/2020/07/17/the-fatal-conceit-of-dr-fauci/
More than four months after abruptly saying goodbye to the daily life we once knew, Americans still live in a surreal and virus-induced dystopia. Summer, essentially, has been canceled: no big family weddings, no trips abroad, no open public beaches and pools, no baseball. Tens of millions remain out of work while small businesses close up shop, permanently altering the landscape of big cities and small towns across the country. Mini Gestapo populated by once-friendly neighbors police face coverings and six feet of separation.
Power-grabbing, attention-addicted governors hog local news cameras each day under the guise of “Coronavirus Update!” to riff about their keen abilities to fight a virus or spew invective at Donald Trump or issue another decree to inflict further misery upon their willing subjects.
As school children and their parents anxiously check email boxes for any update about the fall semester and working parents with small children are scrambling to develop backup plans for online learning, Democrats are pushing hard to keep kids and teachers at home—at least until Election Day.
One person, however, seems to be basking in the chaos and confusion: Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. After toiling in relative obscurity at that position for more than 35 years, Fauci is earning the sort of rock star treatment that legitimate rock stars dream about—or at least pay big bucks to an A-list publicist to produce.
But Fauci, thanks to U.S. taxpayers, is getting a free ride on the media’s nonstop publicity train. This week, Fauci graces the cover of InStyle, a fashion magazine that has yet to feature one of the most stylish First Ladies of all time, Melania Trump.
Seated poolside at his D.C.-area home, Fauci, 79, dons a pair of dark shades—needed, presumably, to shield him from the glare of the spotlight he craves. The good doctor, as the headline for the puff piece describes him, and his wife were interviewed by their friend, NBC News anchor Norah O’Donnell. It’s standard Beltway fare—a mix of mutual admiration, deep reflections about their power over the little people, and cheeky personal anecdotes about how many languages they speak and how many books they read while the world burns.
Despite a number of serious missteps, Fauci remains unrepentant. In fact, Fauci claims the catastrophic lockdown he advised the president to support in late March didn’t go far enough.
“If you look at the European countries, they shut down about 90 to 95 percent of the country,” Fauci explains. “Whereas when we shut down, the calculation is that we shut down about 50 percent.” Where he gets that figure, no one knows, but shooting from the hip is a Fauci specialty. And he argues again for a “pause” in states moving forward with reopening.
Asked about his changing advice on face masks, Fauci deftly spins his pivot to make himself look courageous, not clueless. He told O’Donnell that he doesn’t “regret anything I said then because, in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct.” Fauci insists that he warned people back in March not to use masks in order to preserve a sparse supply for health care workers.
But that simply is not true. During a March 8 interview on “60 Minutes,” Fauci’s main argument against masks wasn’t based on PPE shortages but because face coverings offer a false sense of security without doing anything to stop the virus’ spread.
“Wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better,” he said, “but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And often there are unintended consequences because people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”
Fauci, at the time, was correct about the uselessness of masks. Nothing has changed over the past few months except irrational demands by busybodies, both in public and private, to “wear a mask!” There is no science to support the effectiveness of masks related to the spread of COVID-19, let alone the usefulness of homemade coverings made out of cheap dyed cloth to advertise a sports team, as Fauci did in a recent congressional hearing.
(The good doctor told Georgetown students during a video conference this week—he’s really making the rounds—that he opposes a controlled study to determine whether masks specifically halted the spread of coronavirus versus other general viruses. “I would not want to do a randomized controlled study because that would mean having people not wear masks and see if they do better,” Fauci said. Science!)
In a one-on-one interview with Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg on Thursday, Fauci continued to push the panic porn on face masks. The guidance has “evolved,” Fauci explained, “as we get more data.” Now, Fauci demands, everyone should wear face coverings at all times, even outside, because he stated, without evidence, that asymptomatic people can spread the disease by simply breathing freely outside.
Absurd.
There’s no getting around the fact that the Trump White House created this media monster. Early on, Fauci appeared to be a reasoned voice of expertise, refusing to fuel the hysteria that surrounded the pandemic. In fact, in January, he assured Americans not to be overly panicked about coronavirus; in February, he wrote a paper that concluded coronavirus was no more deadly than a severe flu.
So what changed?
The spotlight is a hard thing to surrender, especially in the twilight of one’s career. Sticking with the legitimate science while refusing to play the media’s game of gotcha against Donald Trump doesn’t exactly get one invited on “The Daily Show” or played by Brad Pitt on “Saturday Night Live” or considered a heartthrob by The Atlantic. In the process, unfortunately, the country is nearly unrecognizable from what it was just four months ago. Meanwhile Fauci continues to show no compassion for those whose lives have been irreversibly upended.
Fauci’s ego trip, as Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky.) admonished in a hearing last month, is a “fatal conceit,” and one for which every American is paying a price. Peter Navarro, Trump’s no-nonsense trade advisor, penned a blistering op-ed that detailed Fauci’s missteps and mistakes including resistance to the president’s China travel ban and unscientific opposition to hydroxychloroquine. (The column, although correct on every score, nonetheless earned a “fact-checking” flag from USA Today.)
Some of us argued for the sidelining of both Fauci and Dr. Deborah Birx after they presented the untested doomsday models to the president in late March, compelling him to encourage another month of stay-at-home orders which led to an unprecedented economic crash among other disastrous consequences. It would have caused another fury, but the country arguably would be better off right now without their changing goalposts and contradictory counsel.
It appears as though the White House finally is socially distancing from Fauci, which will only elevate his hero worship status in the media. Fine. President Trump has a large hole out of which he must dig now, one that Fauci helped plow, and he has serious work to do to put this virus in perspective and salvage the economy before it costs him the election.
Let Fauci pontificate on cable news and pose for glossy photo shoots—Donald Trump has a country to rescue.
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https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/07/19/is-anthony-fauci-just-a-partisan-hack-or-is-he-actually-an-idiot/
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/stockman-clown-cars-are-fully-loaded-and-dr-faucis-leading-parade
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Seen on Twitter.......
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Yep. Stupid. That is the same thing Trump is pushing for.
The difference is that if Hillary was President, we couldn't afford to go to a movie or a restaurant or a concert.