PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on July 09, 2020, 10:44:16 AM
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Watch how quickly Covid and the protest die away.
https://pjmedia.com/columns/robert-spencer/2020/07/09/criminal-investigation-of-trump-coming-supreme-court-rules-he-must-turn-over-tax-records-n625187
The U.S. Supreme Court voted Thursday to uphold a subpoena from a grand jury in New York for President Trump’s tax returns and related records. The president’s attorneys had argued that presidents are immune from criminal investigation while in office, but seven justices, including the Trump-appointed Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, voted to deny this. And so now it is certain: whatever is found in Trump’s tax records, no matter how benign, no matter how innocuous, the president will be subjected to a criminal investigation. This is as certain as death, taxes, and Democrat rage.
The Court’s ruling may be entirely sound on legal grounds. But it assumes an America that is not rent by civil conflict, an America in which judges are still more interested in dispensing impartial justice rather than in using their position to advance their political agenda, an America in which the full weight of the political and media establishment is not bearing down on the president, determined to discredit and destroy him, and remove him from office.
That America no longer exists. The America we live in now is the America in which Michael Flynn was ferociously persecuted for years, bullied into pleading guilty to spurious charges, and on the brink of serving a long prison sentence, all as part of an elaborate effort to frame President Trump on equally spurious charges that would serve as grounds for his impeachment and removal. The America we live in now is the America in which Roger Stone is about to go to prison for the crime of supporting the president and being caught up in the same effort to frame him. The America we have is one in which numerous people, notably Hillary Clinton, James Comey, and a host of others are getting off scot-free for far more serious offenses than anything Flynn or Stone were even accused of doing, because they have the good fortune to be among the privileged classes, the reigning political elites.
In this atmosphere, only the most naïve and blinkered, or only those who are so much a part of the old system that they cannot or will not see how seriously it is breaking down, could possibly think that prosecutors in New York are going to treat Trump’s tax records fairly and impartially. Anyone who has been paying attention to the political scene ever since Lois Lerner, Obama’s director of the Exempt Organizations Unit of the Internal Revenue Service, used the IRS to harass and discriminate against conservative organizations, knows that the New York prosecutors are not out to administer justice, they are out to get Trump. And they know that with tax laws being as complicated as they are, and with Trump’s financial records being of necessity as voluminous as they must be, it will not be hard to establish the appearance of impropriety, even if they don’t find any instance of the president actually breaking the law.
The forthcoming Rating America’s Presidents: An America-First Look at Who Is Best, Who Is Overrated, and Who Was An Absolute Disaster evaluates the presidents of the United States, from Washington to Trump, on the only basis upon which they ever should be evaluated: were they good for America and Americans? It discusses how Trump, unlike any other president in American history, faces an entrenched, anti-American, globalist, socialist cabal that is bent on destroying him for the crime of putting America first, and of extricating the United States from numerous aspects of the old international order established after World War II that have proven to be detrimental to American sovereignty and to the well-being of the American people.
That’s what this is all about. It isn’t about possible tax irregularities. It certainly isn’t some high-minded effort to show that no one is above the law; if no one were above the law, there are numerous Obama administration officials who would be sitting in prison cells right now. All this is about is yet another attempt by the political elites to destroy the biggest threat to their hegemony that they have faced since the international order from which they benefit so much personally and professionally was established.
Trump, as Rating America’s Presidents shows, is – as he himself has often avowed – an American president, not the president of the world, not the leader of the foremost cog in the globalist machine, with its decline being carefully managed for the benefit of international socialism. That is why the elites hate Trump with such incandescent hatred. That is why New York prosecutors want his taxes. That is why they are 100% certain to find irregularities in them that, they will insist, require prosecution.
That is also why Trump must ultimately prevail against this new challenge as he has prevailed against all the others. For America, and Americans, it will make the difference between continuing as a free people, or continuing to degenerate into globalist socialist drones.
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I am understanding the ruling just kicks it back to the lower court.
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I am understanding the ruling just kicks it back to the lower court.
That is what it looked ike to me also. But I already see post on Facebook from my Dem friends all happy about it.
I am sure it will make the "news"
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You guys are correct, a much better analysis here: https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/not-ready-scotus
The Supreme Court on Thursday said President Trump is not immune from a New York district attorney's subpoenas of his tax returns, but that the prosecutor will not receive the documents right away.
The decision was the first of two Thursday by the high court on the question of the president's financial records. The case will now head back to a lower court, which appears to mean the years-long matter will not be resolved before the November presidential election.
In the second decision, the high court blocked House Democrats' requests to access Trump's tax records.
In Trump v. Vance, the majority opined that a subpoena to a sitting president does not have to meet a heightened standard to apply. The court ruled 7-2, with the majority opinion written by Chief Justice John Roberts. Conservative justices Brett Kavanaugh and Neil Gorsuch concurred with the majority, while Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas dissented.
In the second ruling, Trump v. Mazars USA, LLP, the court avoided a ruling, saying instead that lower courts had not taken full account of "all the possible separation of powers concerns." The court's decision effectively blocks House Democrats from accessing Trump's financial records for the time being.
Shortly after the rulings were released, the president took to Twitter to respond to the opinions of the day: "The Supreme Court sends case back to Lower Court, arguments to continue. This is all a political prosecution. I won the Mueller Witch Hunt, and others, and now I have to keep fighting in a politically corrupt New York. Not fair to this Presidency or Administration!"
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You guys are correct, a much better analysis here: https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/not-ready-scotus
John Roberts is such a fucking pussy. He is treating SCOTUS as an extra appeals court, instead of the final court.
This was a perfect opportunity to create a landmark ruling on the separation of powers. Instead, he kicked it down to the Appeals Court again.
He has done this time and time again. Pussy.
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Hard cases make bad law. I doubt the State of New York will get anything out of it, I doubt very strongly Trump was doing anything at all illegal. He was making bank on his reality tv and his golf courses. Also, perhaps I’m mistaken, but aren’t the returns in question his State tax returns that he filed in NY?
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Trump derangement syndrome has become so common that far more people suffer deep psychotic breaks over their imaginary hatred of President Donal Trump, than Weill ever be affected by the chinese wuhan virus.
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Hard cases make bad law. I doubt the State of New York will get anything out of it, I doubt very strongly Trump was doing anything at all illegal. He was making bank on his reality tv and his golf courses. Also, perhaps I’m mistaken, but aren’t the returns in question his State tax returns that he filed in NY?
I believe it’s a federal prosecutor in New York, so I presume she’s demanding Federal tax returns.
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I believe it’s a federal prosecutor in New York, so I presume she’s demanding Federal tax returns.
I found this wikipedia page that provides some background on what records were being sought by the different players (the references to the legal fights seem most relevant):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_returns_of_Donald_Trump (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_returns_of_Donald_Trump)
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Hard cases make bad law. I doubt the State of New York will get anything out of it...
Of course they will. They'll get to leak his tax records and then let whispering campaigns run wild on how many "illegal" tax dodges he is using. The general public...including the NY attorneys, you and maybe me...have not the first clue what a billionaire's taxes look like and how many programs provided for by Congress he is engaged in. I say maybe me because I did study tax law in bschool for two semesters, so I might have a first clue, but I'm still far from being able to understand it.
This has never been about a suspicion of wrongdoing. It's about new fodder for feeding the ignorant "news" about how much Trump is cheating them on his taxes.
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Of course they will. They'll get to leak his tax records and then let whispering campaigns run wild on how many "illegal" tax dodges he is using. The general public...including the NY attorneys, you and maybe me...have not the first clue what a billionaire's taxes look like and how many programs provided for by Congress he is engaged in. I say maybe me because I did study tax law in bschool for two semesters, so I might have a first clue, but I'm still far from being able to understand it.
This has never been about a suspicion of wrongdoing. It's about new fodder for feeding the ignorant "news" about how much Trump is cheating them on his taxes.
I’ve been a tax CPA, and I have worked on returns of very high multi millionaires. (No billionaires that I recall, but the concepts are the same.)
I guarantee you there will be absolutely nothing that they can glean from his returns that can damage him. I saw his entity structures (multiple) on his financial disclosure in 2016, and it is so extensive it would take a team of forensic accountants weeks to unwind it.
None of that will be on his return. His return would only show the items of income that reach him personally; kind of like the portion of the iceberg that is above the waterline. Everything below the waterline won’t ever appear on his return.
So I will say with 100% certainty that anything they come up with will be complete fiction.
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I’ve been a tax CPA, and I have worked on returns of very high multi millionaires. (No billionaires that I recall, but the concepts are the same.)
I guarantee you there will be absolutely nothing that they can glean from his returns that can damage him. I saw his entity structures (multiple) on his financial disclosure in 2016, and it is so extensive it would take a team of forensic accountants weeks to unwind it.
None of that will be on his return. His return would only show the items of income that reach him personally; kind of like the portion of the iceberg that is above the waterline. Everything below the waterline won’t ever appear on his return.
So I will say with 100% certainty that anything they come up with will be complete fiction.
But those afflicted with TDS will foam at the mouth, and the MSM will distort and start marching out pundits who will explain to us all just how nefarious all this is.
Take the word "loophole". Sounds like something only dishonest tax cheats use. The media will make it appear that anyone using the "loophole" is, in fact doing something illegal.
They won't mention that those loopholes are codified into the regulations from laws voted and passed by congress. Nor will they mention that many wealthy, including celebrities, sports stars and even members of congress use those exact same laws.
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So I will say with 100% certainty that anything they come up with will be complete fiction.
Nothing new. Those strong with TDS have not let facts get in the way.
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Nothing new. Those strong with TDS have not let facts get in the way.
And the MEDIA is at least 95% afflicted with TDS and irrationally hates Trump because he is in their way to them installing Marxism or forms of Marxism. Gradually, but that is what is happening.
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I say maybe me because I did study tax law in bschool for two semesters, so I might have a first clue, but I'm still far from being able to understand it.
No one understands it. It is only another tool for the Feds to use if they want you.
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I saw his entity structures (multiple) on his financial disclosure in 2016, and it is so extensive it would take a team of forensic accountants weeks to unwind it.
They don't need to unwind all his financial structures. They just need to pick one offshore account, focus on it and then tell everyone about how he is cheating and needs to go jail. CCCCN and BSNBC will do the rest. Yes, it will be fiction, but that won't matter. A lie will travel the world twice before the truth is published. And they will tell many, many lies.
100% he has overseas accounts and they will be included in his mountain of paperwork.