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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 09, 2020, 05:07:36 AM
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We keep hearing about COVID-19 being especially dangerous for people with underlying medical conditions.
But, what is included in "underlying medical conditions"?
I finally came across a study that defined "underlying medical conditions", at least with respect to that particular study.
Look over the list (below) and see if you can think of anything not included. Also consider how many people 50 and up who don't have at least one of these conditions.
And consider how many people in a long term care facility don't have an "underlying medical condition"
* Underlying medical conditions include
cardiovascular disease (congenital heart disease, coronary artery disease, congestive heart failure, hypertension, cerebrovascular accident/stroke, valvular heart disease, conduction disorders or dysrhythmias, other cardiovascular disease);
diabetes mellitus;
chronic lung disease (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease/emphysema, asthma, tuberculosis, other chronic lung diseases);
immunosuppression (cancer, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection, identified as being immunosuppressed);
chronic kidney disease (chronic kidney disease, end-stage renal disease, other kidney diseases);
neurologic conditions (dementia, seizure disorder, other neurologic conditions);
chronic liver disease (cirrhosis, alcoholic hepatitis, chronic liver disease, end-stage liver disease, hepatitis B, hepatitis C, nonalcoholic steatohepatitis, other chronic liver diseases);
obesity (body mass index ≥30 kg/m2).
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btw - a BMI of 30+ is defined as obese. If you are 5' 8" and 200 pounds, you are "obese"
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We keep hearing about COVID-19 being especially dangerous for people with underlying medical conditions.
But, what is included in "underlying medical conditions"?
I finally came across a study that defined "underlying medical conditions", at least with respect to that particular study.
Look over the list (below) and see if you can think of anything not included. Also consider how many people 50 and up who don't have at least one of these conditions.
And consider how many people in a long term care facility don't have an "underlying medical condition"
* Underlying medical conditions include
cardiovascular disease (congenital heart disease, coronary artery disease, congestive heart failure, hypertension, cerebrovascular accident/stroke, valvular heart disease, conduction disorders or dysrhythmias, other cardiovascular disease);
diabetes mellitus;
chronic lung disease (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease/emphysema, asthma, tuberculosis, other chronic lung diseases);
immunosuppression (cancer, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection, identified as being immunosuppressed);
chronic kidney disease (chronic kidney disease, end-stage renal disease, other kidney diseases);
neurologic conditions (dementia, seizure disorder, other neurologic conditions);
chronic liver disease (cirrhosis, alcoholic hepatitis, chronic liver disease, end-stage liver disease, hepatitis B, hepatitis C, nonalcoholic steatohepatitis, other chronic liver diseases);
obesity (body mass index ≥30 kg/m2).
No to all, close on the BMI.
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None in my situation.
I have a 93 year old uncle (94 on the 22cd) that has half of those, he was exposed to Covid19, never caught it.
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I had to have a heart valve replacement due to a congenital defect, but I don't consider that heart disease. More of a mechanical problem that needs periodic monitoring. Other than that, zip, nada.
And I've gone on trips and met friends from other pars of the country five times so far this summer. I'm not worried.
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We've been out and about. Toured State Parks early on. Shopped regularly at Publix, Aldi and Kroger. Costco on multiple occasions as well as Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes, Bed, Bath & Beyond, Michaels and Target. We made the trip to Illinois in late May. There was no dining in in Illinois, but we did dine outside at a couple of restaurants. Below is the list of restaurants we've dined in:
Longhorn Steakhouse – Dublin, GA
IHOP – Dawsonville, GA
IHOP – Gainesville, GA
Texas Roadhouse – Gainesville, GA
Bibas – Flowery Branch, GA
Sun Garden Chinese – Dacula, GA
Cheesecake Factory – Buford, GA
Red Lobster – Buford, GA
Texas Roadhouse – Buford, GA
Cracker Barrel – Braselton, GA
Cracker Barrel – Suwanee, GA
Kajun Seafood & Bar – Athens, GA
Texas Roadhouse – Cumming, GA
California Dreaming – Greenville, SC
El Centinela – Braselton, GA
Stricklands Seafood – Paducah, KY
Olive Garden – Paducah, KY
Cracker Barrel – Paducah, KY
IHOP – Hopkinsville, TN
Cracker Barrel – Brunswick, GA
Cracker Barrel – Athens, GA
Corleones – Savannah, GA
Harris’s Steak house – Brunswick, GA
Sunrise Diner – Brunswick, GA
Mudcap Charlies – Brunswick, GA
Buffaloes Café – Dacula, GA
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https://tennesseestar.com/2020/08/09/metro-nashville-council-member-wants-people-not-wearing-a-mask-to-be-charged-with-murder-or-attempted-murder/
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Mass insanity and hysteria unseen since the rise of Adolf Hitler. I never thought I'd see people so easily manipulated and brainwashed in my lifetime. I thought we were beyond that. We're not. The Media, Social Media, Entertainment/Sports and Tech have ruined society.
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Mass insanity and hysteria unseen since the rise of Adolf Hitler. I never thought I'd see people so easily manipulated and brainwashed in my lifetime. I thought we were beyond that. We're not. The Media, Social Media, Entertainment/Sports and Tech have ruined society.
The media, social media, entertainment / sports, and tech are all tools, and tools can be used for good or for evil. Like a gun. A gun is inherently neutral, but it can be used for good or for evil. The best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Right now these tools are being used by Tools for evil, and there aren't enough good guys using those same tools for good. "Alternate media" is doing its best to reach out and cancel some of the evil being done. We need more people to stand up and say "This ain't right!"
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The media, social media, entertainment / sports, and tech are all tools, and tools can be used for good or for evil. Like a gun. A gun is inherently neutral, but it can be used for good or for evil. The best defense against a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Right now these tools are being used by Tools for evil, and there aren't enough good guys using those same tools for good. "Alternate media" is doing its best to reach out and cancel some of the evil being done. We need more people to stand up and say "This ain't right!"
The good guys are being overwhelmed and being "good" aren't willing to do what is necessary to stop this Marxist take over. If I say more, I fear I will be hauled off to a "camp" somewhere. And not summer camp.
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Covid is dying away. Excellent write up on it https://www.facebook.com/tommy.megremis/posts/3488798674486739
The epidemic of COVID-19 is almost over in the USA. Even the recent mitigation measures and mask mandates will make no difference because if effective at all, they are not producing the intended result, which is clear from the infection rate slopes. The virus has reached a critical mass where the exposure is now everywhere we turn. Remember that around 90% of us will not be touched by this virus because of T cell mediated innate immunity, combined with a smaller percentage of adaptive immunity. In prior posts I attempted to establish that because the virus is so contagious that elimination or permanent control was useless and that any measures to mitigate early in the course of the pandemic has only delayed the ultimate outcome. And that can be seen in countries, once lauded such as Greece, Czech Republic and Germany where they are now battling truly surging infection rates as they attempt to open. What is that ultimate outcome? Again I turn to Sweden. It is over for them. Our clumsy efforts at mitigation places us more or less in the same camp with Sweden, except Sweden had no lockdowns and did not mandate them nor did they use masks. Except now because of our nearsighted leaders we are a little behind. We need to make up some pain which is what this recent "surge" is all about. Rather than allow for the natural course of events as did Sweden, we are now making up for the deficit. If you look at the mortality graph below you will see the difference.(you will have to click on the graph to see it entirely) The good news for the US is at current rates, we will be near the bottom of this second hill in about a month. It is hard to predict whether mitigation or lockdown extension will have any effect on this, but if it does, it will only prolong the course of events, not change them. It is clear from infection rates that we are on the downside as well, as you can see in the second graph. So overall we have good news. Mitigation was never a game plan because just like in a war one has to have a clear goal and mitigation was never a clear goal. There was never was an exit strategy. People still believe that if we contain the virus, we can cure the disease and get back to a normal life. That couldn't be further from the truth. If we use Sweden's stats as the gold standard of mortality rate of 0.055%, then we can expect about ~180,000 total deaths in the US. Think about that number compared to a total of 330 million residents. The shut downs that continue and the deaths and morbidity completely unrelated to the virus being caused as a result, not to mention the economic damage is mind boggling. If our leaders can't see this, then they are truly ignorant and fearful of taking any responsibility for outcomes. Shame on these cowards. The data is now front and center for all to see, all they need to do is look. The relative risk for people has always been so so low, and we have reacted and treated this as if the world were ending. Shameful.
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The good guys are being overwhelmed and being "good" aren't willing to do what is necessary to stop this Marxist take over. If I say more, I fear I will be hauled off to a "camp" somewhere. And not summer camp.
And the problem is made worse by those who control access to the tools. As long as social media, etc. blocks access to opposing viewpoints, the good guys are forced to make their own platforms. I do think there's more of us than there are of them. It's just that them are way louder than us.
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And the problem is made worse by those who control access to the tools. As long as social media, etc. blocks access to opposing viewpoints, the good guys are forced to make their own platforms. I do think there's more of us than there are of them. It's just that them are way louder than us.
The Left owns communication and indoctrination. We now have generations who think Capitalism is "unfair" and Socialism is the way to go. Madness. They think it is enlightened and "progressive". All it will do is enslave people.
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In The Art of War, Sun Tzu stated "All warfare is based on deception."
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I wonder if the solution is to pay teachers more? The left generally believes that it is unfair that some people have more than others. Ironically this belief is also held by the ultra rich Hollywood types (who are unwilling to share their wealth). They mistakenly change "equal opportunity" to "equal outcomes". But with poorly paid teachers being jealous of others, they are left with nothing but spouting their hatred for all people who have more than they do. Pay teachers more and I believe you'll see them shift their tune and lead all the little darlings into capitalism. Except sociology teachers. They are messed up in the head.
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I wonder if the solution is to pay teachers more? The left generally believes that it is unfair that some people have more than others. Ironically this belief is also held by the ultra rich Hollywood types (who are unwilling to share their wealth). They mistakenly change "equal opportunity" to "equal outcomes". But with poorly paid teachers being jealous of others, they are left with nothing but spouting their hatred for all people who have more than they do. Pay teachers more and I believe you'll see them shift their tune and lead all the little darlings into capitalism. Except sociology teachers. They are messed up in the head.
In my area teachers make pretty good money when they get a bit of seniority, plus they get summers off, so if you annualize their pay it's much higher. Plus the benefits and pensions are ridiculous.
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Listening to local radio, Libertarian talk guy, and the news comes on. Headline is how the US hit 5,000,000 total cases and had just hit 4,000,000 cases xx days ago. Absolutely no mention of the deaths and how those have trended or the amount of testing, just 5,000,000 cases. "Panic Porn"
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Go to covidusa.net and go down the page and look what is happening in Hawaii.
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Look at what they're doing in Melbourne Australia.
This is a dream come true for progressives.
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https://noqreport.com/2020/08/10/fauci-is-caught-in-a-bald-faced-lie/
On July 29, Anthony Fauci was interviewed by Dr. Jennifer Ashton, ABC’s Chief Medical Correspondent. During that interview he said, “The wearing of masks and other coverings as we just discussed, are going to not only protect against COVID-19 but also help protect us against influenza. So we may find a secondary benefit of the lessons that we’ve learned over the past six months.”
Remember “July 29.” Also recall that Fauci is Director of the NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. This is a branch of the Department of Health and Human Services devoted to primary research. The CDC is another branch of the DHS, and has specialists who deal with the human side called epidemiology. The fact that Dr. Fauci was offered to President Trump is puzzling, when Dr. Alicia Fry, chief of CDC’s Epidemiology and Prevention Branch was available. Instead, Dr. Redfield, Director of CDC (not an epidemiologist) has been prominent in public discussions. But I digress.
The CDC has lots of branches and publications. One of them is the Journal of Emerging Infectious Diseases. It is dedicated to “Fast and broad dissemination of reliable information on emerging infectious diseases.” One would expect Dr. Fauci to both be aware of the Journal, and up to date on its contents. So when he spoke with Dr. Ashton in July, we would expect that he should have read the May 2020 issue of Emerging Infectious Diseases. In it we find, “Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures.”
This paper from three months before the interview reviews “the evidence base on the effectiveness of nonpharmaceutical personal protective measures and environmental hygiene measures in nonhealthcare settings … in pandemic plans. The “evidence base” means “everything that is known.”
The authors go on to say that they are looking at handwashing and mask wearing as possible ways to prevent transmission of H1N1 (swine) flu. And before you start yelling, swine flu and Wuhan flu are transmitted the same way. So whatever works (or doesn’t work) for one will work (or not work, as the case may be) for the other.
Handwashing and hand sanitizer were bigtime early recommendations by Fauci and friends as ways to prevent you from getting Wuhan flu. We had massive runs on hand sanitizer, with lots of companies figuring out how to get a piece of that suddenly huge pie. We even had some versions pulled off the market because they weren’t safe.
Originally Fauci and the WHO told us that masks weren’t useful for us and should be saved for medical personnel who needed them. Now Fauci tells us they are essential. His excuse is that he was originally trying to prevent a run on masks. The simpler explanation is that he was lying either at the beginning or the end. But let’s let that slide. The paper in EID didn’t just looked at both hand washing and masks. Without further ado, we should “follow the science” and look at the scientific paper.
First, let’s recall that randomized controlled trials are considered the “gold standard.” They allow an investigator to reach firm, useful conclusions. These investigators looked at fourteen – count ‘em – fourteen RCTs in a “meta-analysis.” Evidence from these RCTs “did not support a substantial effect on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.”
Translation: You can wash your hands all you want or take a bath in hand sanitizer. Or not. You can wear any mask you want. Or not. It’s not going to matter. It won’t make any difference on whether you get Wuhan flu or not. That’s the science.
But that’s not all. Fauci told MarketWatch on July 24 that “masks and respirators reduced the risk of infection by anywhere from 78 percent to 85 percent.” He cited a paper in Lancet to bolster his assertion. But he misrepresented the paper. One key factor is that the authors reviewed 172 observational and 44 comparative studies, but not one RCT. Not one. Further, their search “did not retrieve any systematic review of information on physical distancing, face masks, or eye protection to prevent transmission…”
In short, the paper Fauci cited didn’t have any proof relevant to the question. Had Fauci read past the numbers that looked like what he wanted to see, he’d have realized that it was worthless for forming policy.
Fauci knew all this and lied through his teeth to Dr. Ashton and MarketWatch. It’s clear that he’s lying to America. President Trump should point this out and dump Fauci. If he thinks he needs an epidemiologist on his team, then he should get a real one, perhaps Dr. Alicia Fry. At least she would have some understanding of how to deal with a virus that’s clearly in the wild, where no measures will have any effect on the large features of the epidemic.