PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on September 16, 2020, 06:01:19 AM
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Back in March I (along with many others) suspected biowarfare was behind the covid scamdemic.
I also consider it odd that twitter banned the Chinese Doctor. And I suspect youtube will take this video down. Also look for increased attacks on Tucker for "spreading conspiracy theory".
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If she is wrong then with time that should become apparent as long as she is allowed to speak. Perhaps the greatest evil here is the censoring of her and suppression of discussion about this possibility. Personally I am unconvinced either way, but I want access to all viewpoints and all sources of information. The American left and their lackeys in big tech and media are every bit as bad as the Chinese communist party at this point. They might as well be the communist chinese with their thought control and totalitarian wet dreams.
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If she is wrong then with time that should become apparent as long as she is allowed to speak. Perhaps the greatest evil here is the censoring of her and suppression of discussion about this possibility. Personally I am unconvinced either way, but I want access to all viewpoints and all sources of information. The American left and their lackeys in big tech and media are every bit as bad as the Chinese communist party at this point. They might as well be the communist chinese with their thought control and totalitarian wet dreams.
The so called scientist that scream "settled science!" and even the ones that flatly deny other possibilities are frauds. Science means question everything, look at all possibilities.
What's even more alarming is how people rush to defend the CCP. And I'm talking American academics, politicians and the MSM. I understand why the DNC wants to protect their newfound toy (covid). It enables them to do things like nothing before.
This was a low grade biowarfare attack. Just imagine what is possible next.
As for this doctor, I hope she is in a very secure location, her life is in grave danger from the CCP as well as people in this country.
As time goes by, and more investigation is done, she will be proven out. She is betting her life on it.
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The so called scientist that scream "settled science!" and even the ones that flatly deny other possibilities are frauds. Science means question everything, look at all possibilities.
What's even more alarming is how people rush to defend the CCP. And I'm talking American academics, politicians and the MSM. I understand why the DNC wants to protect their newfound toy (covid). It enables them to do things like nothing before.
This was a low grade biowarfare attack. Just imagine what is possible next.
As for this doctor, I hope she is in a very secure location, her life is in grave danger from the CCP as well as people in this country.
As time goes by, and more investigation is done, she will be proven out. She is betting her life on it.
The actions of Government over Covid, mostly Democrat controlled States and Cities, but also some Fauci driven Fed recommendations, have been extreme, Marxist and very tyrannical. If the Chinese or whomever releases something actually deadly, Anthrax or other airborne disease that was actually a real threat with people dying in the streets it would be mayhem. Look at the panic we have over this big nothing?
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What's even more alarming is how people rush to defend the CCP. And I'm talking American academics, politicians and the MSM. I understand why the DNC wants to protect their newfound toy (covid). It enables them to do things like nothing before.
The American left and the CCP are ideologically aligned. Core values: economic collectivism, censorship of all who disagree and ultimately, use of violence, imprisonment and/or career and reputation destruction for any who try to push back against their cult.
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The American left and the CCP are ideologically aligned. Core values: economic collectivism, censorship of all who disagree and ultimately, use of violence, imprisonment and/or career and reputation destruction for any who try to push back against their cult.
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THIS!!!!
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I don't know why I bother. I really don't.
The COVID genome has been deciphered, you can look it up yourself. It is a naturally occurring coronavirus that made the jump humans. I don't really care what Tucker Carlson says, he doesn't know a damn thing about it. Researchers at the medical school in Wuhan was investigating coronaviruses because they had emerged from the area before. It is possible that the virus was a lab escapee, but I doubt it very very strongly. It is a bat virus that can use pangolins as reservoir. Turns out Pangolins were on the menu in Hubei. My old boss used to say in Hubei province they'll eat anything with four legs that isn't a table. I recall responding that in Sichuan province they'd only eat what they ate in Hubei province if it had hot sauce on it.
Like HIV, Sars, Mers, Ebola and others the virus jumped to humans in place were humans ate bush meat. Puts them in intimate contact with viruses. Most human viruses come from animals, we haven't been around long enough to evolve our own. Measles is a cow virus, if memory serves. Most poxviruses come from poultry. There will be more, you can count on it. I just hope the next round isn't handled at insanely irresponsibly as this one.
Go ahead with your invective, I've disagreed with Fox News so I must be wrong. My years of expertise count as nothing against the incredible wisdom of Fox News. I'm just a liberal professor perpetrating some sort of hoax. yada yada. Like I said, I really don't know why I bother.
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I don't know why I bother. I really don't.
The COVID genome has been deciphered, you can look it up yourself. It is a naturally occurring coronavirus that made the jump humans. I don't really care what Tucker Carlson says, he doesn't know a damn thing about it. Researchers at the medical school in Wuhan was investigating coronaviruses because they had emerged from the area before. It is possible that the virus was a lab escapee, but I doubt it very very strongly. It is a bat virus that can use pangolins as reservoir. Turns out Pangolins were on the menu in Hubei. My old boss used to say in Hubei province they'll eat anything with four legs that isn't a table. I recall responding that in Sichuan province they'd only eat what they ate in Hubei province if it had hot sauce on it.
Like HIV, Sars, Mers, Ebola and others the virus jumped to humans in place were humans ate bush meat. Puts them in intimate contact with viruses. Most human viruses come from animals, we haven't been around long enough to evolve our own. Measles is a cow virus, if memory serves. Most poxviruses come from poultry. There will be more, you can count on it. I just hope the next round isn't handled at insanely irresponsibly as this one.
Go ahead with your invective, I've disagreed with Fox News so I must be wrong. My years of expertise count as nothing against the incredible wisdom of Fox News. I'm just a liberal professor perpetrating some sort of hoax. yada yada. Like I said, I really don't know why I bother.
Because you crave attention. ::)
Go find some real practicing PhD's and MD's to educate you on biowarfare.
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There will be more, you can count on it. I just hope the next round isn't handled at insanely irresponsibly as this one.
Me too.
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Me too.
How do you think it was handled irresponsibily? I think it was a huge over reaction that killed a robust economy, hurt people and gave government way too much power.
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I don't know why I bother. I really don't.
The COVID genome has been deciphered, you can look it up yourself. It is a naturally occurring coronavirus that made the jump humans. I don't really care what Tucker Carlson says, he doesn't know a damn thing about it. Researchers at the medical school in Wuhan was investigating coronaviruses because they had emerged from the area before. It is possible that the virus was a lab escapee, but I doubt it very very strongly. It is a bat virus that can use pangolins as reservoir. Turns out Pangolins were on the menu in Hubei. My old boss used to say in Hubei province they'll eat anything with four legs that isn't a table. I recall responding that in Sichuan province they'd only eat what they ate in Hubei province if it had hot sauce on it.
Like HIV, Sars, Mers, Ebola and others the virus jumped to humans in place were humans ate bush meat. Puts them in intimate contact with viruses. Most human viruses come from animals, we haven't been around long enough to evolve our own. Measles is a cow virus, if memory serves. Most poxviruses come from poultry. There will be more, you can count on it. I just hope the next round isn't handled at insanely irresponsibly as this one.
Go ahead with your invective, I've disagreed with Fox News so I must be wrong. My years of expertise count as nothing against the incredible wisdom of Fox News. I'm just a liberal professor perpetrating some sort of hoax. yada yada. Like I said, I really don't know why I bother.
I was hoping you would weigh in. I thought I had remembered that the virus genome had been sequenced and it had been determined to most likely have arisen in the wild. There was another Chinese researcher who had said so, and that he believed it had been inadvertently released by the lab, not created by it. This woman, as much as I could understand her between her heavy accent and my hearing loss, seems to be saying the Chinese created it and deliberately released it. Why should I believe her over the other guy?
Because I’m not a virologist or haven’t even bothered yet to educate myself on virus genomes and then look at the thing myself, I don’t know first hand what the truth is. Occam’s razor would incline me to say it arose in the wild, was being studied at the lab, and the incompetent Chinese let it escape. But I also wouldn’t put it past the CCP to tweak a wild virus into something they could deploy as a bioweapon. It’s just that, if that’s what they were doing, why the hell wouldn’t they make one that was actually frightful to people not already with one foot in the grave?
I have trouble believing that the Chinese foresaw the economic shutdown when never in the history of man have we reacted to a pandemic by committing economic suicide, least of all for a bug with better than 99.5% survival rate. I’m sure they’re loving the damage being done to the U.S., but I seriously doubt they plotted the whole thing. In fact we know exactly where that idea came from: the 14 year old daughter of some government researcher or bureaucrat many years ago did a paper for her high school class postulating what would happen if we “social distanced” during a pandemic. That paper led to the development of a “plan” a long time ago, but it was never implemented until now. Why now and not for the swine flu is another topic, but not really something the Chinese control, unless they’re collaborating directly with Fauci.
But I am very interested in hearing what this woman says and seeing whatever evidence she can produce. I’m not going to believe it just because Fox and Tucker host her, but at least they’re letting her talk. If she is wrong, let’s look at what she has and prove it wrong.
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How do you think it was handled irresponsibily? I think it was a huge over reaction that killed a robust economy, hurt people and gave government way too much power.
Isn't such an overreaction the very definition of it being handled irresponsibly?
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I was hoping you would weigh in. I thought I had remembered that the virus genome had been sequenced and it had been determined to most likely have arisen in the wild. There was another Chinese researcher who had said so, and that he believed it had been inadvertently released by the lab, not created by it. This woman, as much as I could understand her between her heavy accent and my hearing loss, seems to be saying the Chinese created it and deliberately released it. Why should I believe her over the other guy?
Because I’m not a virologist or haven’t even bothered yet to educate myself on virus genomes and then look at the thing myself, I don’t know first hand what the truth is. Occam’s razor would incline me to say it arose in the wild, was being studied at the lab, and the incompetent Chinese let it escape. But I also wouldn’t put it past the CCP to tweak a wild virus into something they could deploy as a bioweapon. It’s just that, if that’s what they were doing, why the hell wouldn’t they make one that was actually frightful to people not already with one foot in the grave?
I have trouble believing that the Chinese foresaw the economic shutdown when never in the history of man have we reacted to a pandemic by committing economic suicide, least of all for a bug with better than 99.5% survival rate. I’m sure they’re loving the damage being done to the U.S., but I seriously doubt they plotted the whole thing. In fact we know exactly where that idea came from: the 14 year old daughter of some government researcher or bureaucrat many years ago did a paper for her high school class postulating what would happen if we “social distanced” during a pandemic. That paper led to the development of a “plan” a long time ago, but it was never implemented until now. Why now and not for the swine flu is another topic, but not really something the Chinese control, unless they’re collaborating directly with Fauci.
But I am very interested in hearing what this woman says and seeing whatever evidence she can produce. I’m not going to believe it just because Fox and Tucker host her, but at least they’re letting her talk. If she is wrong, let’s look at what she has and prove it wrong.
First: She’s tried to speak out, but for some reason the MSM and big tech have been silencing her. Why? If she’s spreading crackpot theory, why not just let her talk and debunk it?
Second: Where are the scientist that can look st her work, as written, and debunk the claim? So far all we are hearing is leftist shouting to discredit her.
Third: There are more tentacles here related to the CCP than most people realize. Most of our MSM is beholden to the CCP. Big Tech is beholden to the CCP and even manipulated their tech to CCP doctrine and policy.
Fourth: The progressive left and the CCP are hand in hand. Which party was quick and decisive to jump on the lockdown bandwagon? Make no mistake, this scandemic was orchestrated and planned, the planners did not realize just how effective their plan would be, beyond their wildest expectations.
Unfortunately, Pandora’s Box has been opened. The CCP and their Progressive counterparts now have a highly effective tool to use, and they will use it again. Next time we can’t be sure just how effective it could be.
Everyone is now eyewitness to history. We have all witnessed biowarfare on a global level. The after effects of this is yet to come. 2020 is, and will be a monumental turning point in history.
Hang on.
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I don't know why I bother. I really don't.
The COVID genome has been deciphered, you can look it up yourself. It is a naturally occurring coronavirus that made the jump humans. I don't really care what Tucker Carlson says, he doesn't know a damn thing about it. Researchers at the medical school in Wuhan was investigating coronaviruses because they had emerged from the area before. It is possible that the virus was a lab escapee, but I doubt it very very strongly. It is a bat virus that can use pangolins as reservoir. Turns out Pangolins were on the menu in Hubei. My old boss used to say in Hubei province they'll eat anything with four legs that isn't a table. I recall responding that in Sichuan province they'd only eat what they ate in Hubei province if it had hot sauce on it.
Like HIV, Sars, Mers, Ebola and others the virus jumped to humans in place were humans ate bush meat. Puts them in intimate contact with viruses. Most human viruses come from animals, we haven't been around long enough to evolve our own. Measles is a cow virus, if memory serves. Most poxviruses come from poultry. There will be more, you can count on it. I just hope the next round isn't handled at insanely irresponsibly as this one.
Go ahead with your invective, I've disagreed with Fox News so I must be wrong. My years of expertise count as nothing against the incredible wisdom of Fox News. I'm just a liberal professor perpetrating some sort of hoax. yada yada. Like I said, I really don't know why I bother.
What does Tucker Carlson have to do with this? A Chinese scientist came on his show and stated that China unleashed this on purpose. Can you prove her wrong?
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The CCP could easily discredit this woman by creating a fake dossier and accuse her of all sorts of crimes. They haven’t. Why?
Because they know this will drive people to look at her work. And they know what her work contains.
Think about it. What does she gain by going up against the CCP and the progressives? Right now she is in grave danger. Like several of her colleagues who spoke up, and now have vanished, she has risked her life to speak out. Think the progressives would like to dox her and see the CCP make her vanish as well?
Twitter suspended her account. Facebook has done the same. Why?
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How do you think it was handled irresponsibily? I think it was a huge over reaction that killed a robust economy, hurt people and gave government way too much power.
Yep. That's just about exactly what I meant.
Hurting the economy and people was an irresponsible reaction.
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The COVID genome has been deciphered, you can look it up yourself. It is a naturally occurring coronavirus that made the jump humans.
Yes, the genome is easy to find: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sars-cov-2/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sars-cov-2/)
But the research paper that makes the claim that it is not naturally occurring cites the specific sequences they believe are not natural is available for download from here: https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X2KGqS2-mhD (https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X2KGqS2-mhD)
The Tucker interview was of necessity non-technical (and annoying on that aspect.) The paper, not Tucker or Twitter censors, is what must be addressed. Likewise, appeals to your authority on the subject are, besides being logically fallacious (though often heuristically useful when time only permits proxy reasoning,) would be trumped by the fact that her specialty is virology while I don’t believe that is your specialty.
The bottom line seems to be that the researchers dispute the existence of, or at least sequencing of, a virus labeled RaTG13, allegedly the most genomically similar virus. Importantly, RaTG13 lacks a sequence that would have to have come from another virus. As I understand it, recombination of sequences between viruses typically only occur in animals that are infected with both at the same time. Add in enough replication events and the two can recombine in just the right way. Ergo it is a low probability event - how low I do not know.
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I don't really care what Tucker Carlson says, he doesn't know a damn thing about it.
Tucker isn't saying it. His guest, a Chinese virologist from the University of Hong Kong who studies infectious diseases is saying it. Dr Li-Meng has made three major claims:
1) The genomic sequence of SARS-CoV-2 is suspiciously similar to that of a bat coronavirus discovered by military laboratories in the Third Military Medical University (Chongqing, China) and the Research Institute for Medicine of Nanjing Command (Nanjing, China
2) The receptor-binding motif (RBM) within the Spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which determines the host specificity of the virus, resembles that of SARS-CoV from the 2003 epidemic in a suspicious manner. Genomic evidence suggests that the RBM has been genetically manipulated.
3) SARS-CoV-2 contains a unique furin-cleavage site in its Spike protein, which is known to greatly enhance viral infectivity and cell tropism. Yet, this cleavage site is completely absent in this particular class of coronaviruses found in nature. In addition, rare codons associated with this additional sequence suggest the strong possibility that this furin-cleavage site is not the product of natural evolution and could have been inserted into the SARS-CoV-2 genome artificially by techniques other than simple serial passage or multi-strain recombination events inside co-infected tissue cultures or animals.
The University of Hong Kong did not prove the claims false, they just rejected her paper as "hearsay". Now, I'm not a scientist of infectious diseases, but this doesn't sound to me like the kind of thing that someone can just make up. And instead of her work being disproved, she has instead been demonized and silenced.
This is not a scientific response. Some scientist have argued that she could be wrong by basically saying "it could happen naturally". Perhaps it could, but she claims the techniques to create this virus in the lab exist in China and that she has personal knowledge of them.
To me then this seems to fall into the category of an unknown. It cannot be proven or disproven and I don't see one or the other being conclusively correct. So my beef here is that the rejection of one claim is being dismissed for political reasons, not scientific ones. This is like the Church suppressing the science of the world being round...it doesn't belong in science.
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The bottom line for me is that Science and Medicine has been politicized and weaponized as a tool in which to control and subjugate people,
This is turning out to be less dangerous than N1H1 and many previous so called pandemics. It is another scam like man made climate change.
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The sequence was examined by top-notch western virologists and published in one of the most preeminent science journals. I really don't care what some unknown Chinese person says about it, unless that person can pass the sort of peer-review necessary to get into one of the top journals. And before you say its all programmed, keep in mind that journals love the NEW. If someone really could prove that COVID was an engineered virus released on purpose every science journal on the planet would want to publish it. That is NEW.
My thought about the rampant incompetence in the government response is the the POTUS realized the deadly nature of the virus, lied about it to the American people, and instead of promoting behaviors that might have mitigated the crisis engaged in promoting quack cures and arguing with his own experts. The virus has killed 190,000 Americans with us doing everything in our power to slow it down. That's many times the number killed by influenza with us doing nothing to slow it down. The worry was always that it would overwhelm our medical system like it did in Italy. Came close in the North East.
And what honks me off is that you guys deride the vaccine makers, dedicated scientists trying to cure this thing as parasites, while the guys who clean up their garbage are heroes.
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Who is deriding vaccine makers? Not I. Trump has rallied them to record breaking accomplishments with unheard of speed.
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Who is deriding vaccine makers? Not I. Trump has rallied them to record breaking accomplishments with unheard of speed.
The speed is unheard of because of the advances made previously, with very generous government support I might add. the social contract is badly broken. Originally, we scientists were supposed to benefit from generous funding and deliver technological breakthroughs that would promote the economy and pay for themselves. Worked too, many many fold over. But these days politicians deride and ignore scientists, rendering most of our most valuable insights meaningless. This crisis is a good example, with government officials promoting the line that it's a hoax, not dangerous, and a drag on the economy and no more. The attitudes exhibited here came from somewhere. And now they're trying to rush the vaccine makers, imperiling the entire exercise. Trump has very, very little to do with it besides not (yet) getting in the way. The vaccine has come quickly because of new technology allowing the production of mRNA vaccines. That is assuming they work, which has not in any way been yet determined.
I and my kind have been derided here over and over as parasites. If you like I can find you posts, it wouldn't be difficult.
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The virus has killed 190,000 Americans with us doing everything in our power to slow it down.
complete and utter horse manure. (never mind that the 190,000 number is covid-19 related deaths, not cause of death)
The "isolation" and "quarantines" are a joke. homemade masks are a joke. Hand discipline is a complete failure. But apparently, the virus doesn't spread during riots and protests.
oh, btw, the virus has slowed down, but I know maths is hard for some.
The worry was always that it would overwhelm our medical system like it did in Italy. Came close in the North East.
Really? in the "North East"? where, exactly?
If you care about facts, here's one: In Maskachusetts, the hospitals were so close to being overwhelmed that the Governor finally noticed that hospitals and other medical facilities were being used far below capacity. The Governor tried to remind people that they should seek medical care if needed.
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complete and utter horse manure. (never mind that the 190,000 number is covid-19 related deaths, not cause of death)
COVID has killed 190,000 Americans. Get over yourself, you aren't an expert on everything.
The "isolation" and "quarantines" are a joke. homemade masks are a joke. Hand discipline is a complete failure. But apparently, the virus doesn't spread during riots and protests.
The folks in the protests I saw were mostly masked, and lot of them were even maintaining some degree of social distancing. Far more than the attendees of your average Trump rally. And my homemade mask, mad by my wife, is far from a joke. Three layers of cloth with a coffee filter for goo measure. You can fuck yourself hard over if you don't like it. Mrs. Steingar has more talent in her left pinkie that you do in your whole body.
oh, btw, the virus has slowed down, but I know maths is hard for some.
It has, due to the fact that social distancing and mask use have seen some penetration into our society.
Really? in the "North East"? where, exactly?
New York and New Jersey, which were the first to get hit and go that the hardest.
If you care about facts, here's one: In Maskachusetts, the hospitals were so close to being overwhelmed that the Governor finally noticed that hospitals and other medical facilities were being used far below capacity. The Governor tried to remind people that they should seek medical care if needed.
Link if you can.
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COVID has killed 190,000 Americans. Get over yourself, you aren't an expert on everything.
Yup, I'm just a retired engineer. I don't know anything about analyzing data. Not a thing. Can't possibly understand all this medical magic.
Do you understand the difference between someone dying that had covid-19 and someone dying due to covid-19?
"get over yourself" - you might want to take your advice. Oh I realize you won't, because you are just a chip off the ol' block.
If you want data on hospital usage in Maskachusetts, go to Mass.gov and do your own research. Sauce for the goose and all.
"Mrs. Steingar has more talent in her left pinkie that you do in your whole body." - with respect to Mrs Steingar, you don't know anything about me.
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I don't know why I bother. I really don't.
I don't either....
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What does Tucker Carlson have to do with this? A Chinese scientist came on his show and stated that China unleashed this on purpose. Can you prove her wrong?
That is NOT the point.
the pathetic perfessor is genuflecting before his communist maters.
THAT is the point.
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I really don't care what some unknown Chinese person says about it, unless that person can pass the sort of peer-review necessary to get into one of the top journals.
So this "unknown Chinese person"..........
Li-Meng Yan MD, PhD
The University of Hong Kong
Dr. Yan received her MD degree from XiangYa Medical College of Central South University (China), and PhD from Southern Medical University (China). Her research interests include investigations of infectious diseases or inflammation via different animal models. Her research has recently focused on study of universal influenza vaccine, cross-reactive antibodies and cellular immunology.
She had worked at Hong Kong University’s public health laboratory sciences division, a World Health Organization infectious diseases research centre.
So this highly educated Dr. that you are deriding is just an "unknown".......
And this is coming from an unknown PhD that has no accomplishments to his name that's never seen the outside of a classroom. ::)
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So this "unknown Chinese person"..........
Li-Meng Yan MD, PhD
The University of Hong Kong
Dr. Yan received her MD degree from XiangYa Medical College of Central South University (China), and PhD from Southern Medical University (China). Her research interests include investigations of infectious diseases or inflammation via different animal models. Her research has recently focused on study of universal influenza vaccine, cross-reactive antibodies and cellular immunology.
She had worked at Hong Kong University’s public health laboratory sciences division, a World Health Organization infectious diseases research centre.
So this highly educated Dr. that you are deriding is just an "unknown".......
And this is coming from an unknown PhD that has no accomplishments to his name that's never seen the outside of a classroom. ::)
Kind of like the world's greatest expert on the wuhan virus that hasn't examined a patient in decades and decades and decades. I can see why the peresser would worship one and attack the other.
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So, when Michael doesn't like all the responses he just goes to the tried and true progressive way of name calling. Got it. ::)
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So this "unknown Chinese person"..........
Li-Meng Yan MD, PhD
The University of Hong Kong
Dr. Yan received her MD degree from XiangYa Medical College of Central South University (China), and PhD from Southern Medical University (China). Her research interests include investigations of infectious diseases or inflammation via different animal models. Her research has recently focused on study of universal influenza vaccine, cross-reactive antibodies and cellular immunology.
She had worked at Hong Kong University’s public health laboratory sciences division, a World Health Organization infectious diseases research centre.
So this highly educated Dr. that you are deriding is just an "unknown".......
And this is coming from an unknown PhD that has no accomplishments to his name that's never seen the outside of a classroom. ::)
How many manuscripts has this "famous scientist" published in international (read "English") journals? I'll wager not even one. And before you tell me she's published in Chinese journals out the wazoo, you should know the bar for doing that is way, way lower than for International journals. My old boss at the NIH published hugely, our lab was one of the most productive there. HE moved back to China and hasn't published in international journals since.
I have no respect whatsoever for a scientist that evades peer review and publishes in the media. I can't blame you guys for falling for it, you don't have the technical training to know better and aren't supposed to. No one can be an expert on anything, except maybe Bob Noel in his own head. That's why there are guys like me, to look over the data and make certain it's ship shape. To make certain that the conclusions are supported by the data, and aren't overstated. Like I said, had she submitted her work to Science, Nature, the Journal of Virology, PLOS Genetics or a number of other journals, I've give it quite a bit of creedance. Instead she appears on Tucker Carlson. What the fuck ever.
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The speed is unheard of because of the advances made previously, with very generous government support I might add.
It seems to me that it is mostly liberals berating the speed of the vaccine development and testing, because Trump is promoting it.
I and my kind have been derided here over and over as parasites. If you like I can find you posts, it wouldn't be difficult.
You get derided over here because you troll for it. Not that that's a bad thing. You provide most of the entertainment here and spawn a large percentage of the comments.
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How many manuscripts has this "famous scientist" published in international (read "English") journals? I'll wager not even one. And before you tell me she's published in Chinese journals out the wazoo, you should know the bar for doing that is way, way lower than for International journals. My old boss at the NIH published hugely, our lab was one of the most productive there. HE moved back to China and hasn't published in international journals since.
I have no respect whatsoever for a scientist that evades peer review and publishes in the media. I can't blame you guys for falling for it, you don't have the technical training to know better and aren't supposed to. No one can be an expert on anything, except maybe Bob Noel in his own head. That's why there are guys like me, to look over the data and make certain it's ship shape. To make certain that the conclusions are supported by the data, and aren't overstated. Like I said, had she submitted her work to Science, Nature, the Journal of Virology, PLOS Genetics or a number of other journals, I've give it quite a bit of creedance. Instead she appears on Tucker Carlson. What the fuck ever.
So... you and your clown show of esteemed colleagues that want people to believe that riots, arson, vicious assault, murder, mayhem, and looting come with ZERO risk of catching the wuhan chinese virus, but going to church, shopping at the local hardware store, having the entire economy stopped (except for certain favored conglomerates and liquor stores, marijuana dispensaries and blaack lives matter riots), are all credible, just because lying, assholes like you and your kind said so?
Sorry sad sack. You lose.
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How many manuscripts has this "famous scientist" published in international (read "English") journals? I'll wager not even one. And before you tell me she's published in Chinese journals out the wazoo, you should know the bar for doing that is way, way lower than for International journals. My old boss at the NIH published hugely, our lab was one of the most productive there. HE moved back to China and hasn't published in international journals since.
I have no respect whatsoever for a scientist that evades peer review and publishes in the media. I can't blame you guys for falling for it, you don't have the technical training to know better and aren't supposed to. No one can be an expert on anything, except maybe Bob Noel in his own head. That's why there are guys like me, to look over the data and make certain it's ship shape. To make certain that the conclusions are supported by the data, and aren't overstated. Like I said, had she submitted her work to Science, Nature, the Journal of Virology, PLOS Genetics or a number of other journals, I've give it quite a bit of creedance. Instead she appears on Tucker Carlson. What the fuck ever.
So nice to see your support and admiration of the CCP. Your progressive peers must be proud of you.
Now, let's cut through all of your highly partisan blather and talking points. Please try to stay on subject.
1) What does Dr. Li-Meng Yan have to gain from this? Remember, she has fled her homeland and now is in hiding fearing for her life. What possible gain does she have that's worth such a risk?
2) I've yet to see you (an unknown college professor) actually take her paper and go point by point and offer a opinion of what could be different than her claims. In fact, the only "scientist" that have disputed her claims are very highly partisan or supporters of the CCP.
3) What if Dr. Yan is 75% correct? or 50%? or 25%? We don't know because there is a combined effort by the CCP, Big Tech and the Leftist Progressives to silence and discredit anything she has to say. Why is that?
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How many manuscripts has this "famous scientist" published in international (read "English") journals? I'll wager not even one. And before you tell me she's published in Chinese journals out the wazoo, you should know the bar for doing that is way, way lower than for International journals. My old boss at the NIH published hugely, our lab was one of the most productive there. HE moved back to China and hasn't published in international journals since.
I have no respect whatsoever for a scientist that evades peer review and publishes in the media. I can't blame you guys for falling for it, you don't have the technical training to know better and aren't supposed to. No one can be an expert on anything, except maybe Bob Noel in his own head. That's why there are guys like me, to look over the data and make certain it's ship shape. To make certain that the conclusions are supported by the data, and aren't overstated. Like I said, had she submitted her work to Science, Nature, the Journal of Virology, PLOS Genetics or a number of other journals, I've give it quite a bit of creedance. Instead she appears on Tucker Carlson. What the fuck ever.
The only flaw in your logic is if those high bar journals suffer from some kind of bias. Scientists aren’t supposed to allow bias but they’re only human. Would not be the first time the top experts in a scientific field couldn’t break out of a paradigm or a prejudice. Somebody has to decide which papers to publish out of all the submissions. And now with academics and researchers being around 90% liberal, and today’s atmosphere of extreme hatred for the current administration as well as anti-capitalism and pro-leftism sentiment infesting our higher institutions, I’m wary of trusting the objectivity of these experts you’re talking about, while agreeing with you that strict scientific protocol in search for truth should be being followed.
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The only flaw in your logic is if those high bar journals suffer from some kind of bias. Scientists aren’t supposed to allow bias but they’re only human. Would not be the first time the top experts in a scientific field couldn’t break out of a paradigm or a prejudice. Somebody has to decide which papers to publish out of all the submissions. And now with academics and researchers being around 90% liberal, and today’s atmosphere of extreme hatred for the current administration as well as anti-capitalism and pro-leftism sentiment infesting our higher institutions, I’m wary of trusting the objectivity of these experts you’re talking about, while agreeing with you that strict scientific protocol in search for truth should be being followed.
In addition to almost all academics having a far left bias, the organizations and people that fund them have a far left bias and want certain results. Therefore you get slanted "studies" and outcomes. Even if you use accurate data, it is your assumptions like escalation rates, and other variables they use to skew the outcomes. As an engineer you know this. There other trick is to fudge the data, and that is easily done as well. You also know this.
You get way you pay for and the Left is great at paying academics to give them what they want. If they want to get and keep funding they will give them Leftist results. My other problem is they are so hypocritical and indoctrinated they won't admit it, because they think it is the right thing to do and the ends justify the means. Right Mikey? ::)
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The only flaw in your logic is ...
The "only" flaw?
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The only flaw in your logic is if those high bar journals suffer from some kind of bias. Scientists aren’t supposed to allow bias but they’re only human. Would not be the first time the top experts in a scientific field couldn’t break out of a paradigm or a prejudice.
This is exactly right. It's VERY hard to get published if your research results contradict the established "settled science." Getting past the journal editor and into peer review is impossible if your research goes against what the editor thinks is right. Then finding enough peers to properly objectively review your paper is extremely difficult. Peers are usually drawn from people who have already published in a journal. They subscribe to the journal's mindset. Even if you have perfect, well documented, and well executed research, the paper can be rejected just because "it can't be right". Then the peer review goes back to the editor who makes the final decision on accept / reject. Once again, the editor has say over what gets published in his/her journal.
Some of the top, most influential papers in my field found a home in obscure journals because the editors of the top journals rejected them as not following the status quo.
I've tried for years to get my research into top journals in my field. Nope... too technical, not managerial enough. We don't accept design science research as legitimate. So I went and published in Computer Science journals. Fortunately in my university an A journal in any discipline is an A journal in mine. It's only in the last few years that the pendulum has swung over and technical papers are being accepted and encouraged in the top journals in my field.
So I encourage the Professor to clear his mind, read the research objectively, and treat the research as it should be. Is there a fatal flaw? Are the results able to be replicated? Is there a sufficient foundation for the conclusions? You are an expert in your field. Do a proper peer review on her research and let us know why that paper should be accepted or rejected (or revise and resubmit) in one of your top journals.
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This is exactly right. It's VERY hard to get published if your research results contradict the established "settled science."
Utter horse shit. I've done it.
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It seems to me that it is mostly liberals berating the speed of the vaccine development and testing, because Trump is promoting it.
Trump can do nothing, and I do mean nothing, to speed vaccine development. As I've said already, the vaccines are coming along more quickly that in past outbreaks because of new technology. Because it is new technology we have to be very, very careful about its implementation. I have deep reservations about this technology, and the last time I had reservations this deep people died.
And, I looked up your vaunted scientist on Pubmed, which is the federal repository for published scientific materials. She has a total of ten, count 'em, ten papers, one first author from 2018 (the order of authors is fairly important in scientific communications). No primary author papers at all, and nothing about COVID, though she is clearly a virologist. So instead of submitting her work for publication (which she knows how to do) she goes on Tucker Carlson. Sorry, not buying it.
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Utter horse shit. I've done it.
Easy to say. Care to back that up with an example?
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Easy to say. Care to back that up with an example?
Nature. 2003 Feb 27;421(6926):942-7
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Trump can do nothing, and I do mean nothing, to speed vaccine development.
Trump can most certainly promote the rapid development of a vaccine. Operation Warp Speed is a Trump initiative.
And, I looked up your vaunted scientist on Pubmed, which is the federal repository for published scientific materials.
Who is my vaunted scientist? I don't believe I ever mentioned any scientist or linked to any articles by any scientist. Or are you just stereotyping again?
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Nature. 2003 Feb 27;421(6926):942-7
I found it in our university library. I want to be sure this is your paper with 16 authors:
"Extra-embryonic function of Rb is essential for embryonic development and viability". It was published in "Letters to Nature" which do not appear to be peer reviewed, but I may be mistaken there. The research looks like it's an extension of existing research. "... we hypothesized that disruption of Rb itself might also have deleterious consequences in placental development".
How is this a major result that goes against established research? You found another factor that might affect placental development. Yay. Is there research that says disruption of Rb does NOT affect placental development?
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I found it in our university library. I want to be sure this is your paper with 16 authors:
"Extra-embryonic function of Rb is essential for embryonic development and viability". It was published in "Letters to Nature" which do not appear to be peer reviewed, but I may be mistaken there. The research looks like it's an extension of existing research. "... we hypothesized that disruption of Rb itself might also have deleterious consequences in placental development".
How is this a major result that goes against established research? You found another factor that might affect placental development. Yay. Is there research that says disruption of Rb does NOT affect placental development?
Proteins that fight cancer are called tumor suppressors, and they are big deal in basic science and medicine. The biggest of them all are P53 and Rb. Mutations in both cause juvenile cancer syndromes, and both have integral functions within the cell cycle. Rb functions in the CyclinD/CDK4/E2F axis, and is a very important cell cycle brake. Knockouts of Rb in mice had suggested that it had widespread functions within the embryo, which made sense for its role as a major tumor suppressor. I saw some slides of the placenta of an Rb embryo and realized that placental dysfunction was the etiologic agent of most Rb dysfunctions. This view was not accepted at all at first (I recall my friend Gustavo saying "what's a placenta") but I outlined a research program that would pinpoint Rb's role both in placentogenesis and embryonic function. It turned out that Rb was only involved in muscle development, most critically the diaphragm. This was the basis for a multimillion dollar award from the NIH, and was published in Nature. It overturned a tightly held paradigm, that Rb was essential for numerous embryonic functions. It was a huge deal, Nature doesn't publish just anything.
The funniest thing is we needed tetraploid rescue to prove the point, and the widget that electrofuses embryos was sitting in a friend's lab across town and he didn't know how to use it. Quite the surprise. I got that up and running. I loved that thing, came from Hungary and you needed a Hungarian darning needle to do the blastomere aggregation experiments. Good times.
Scientist love new data that overturns paradigms. The old paradigm is once cells are differentiated, they stay that way. iPS cells put the lie to that, the paper was published in Cell. Remember ulcers? Turned out to be a bacterial infection, published in Nature if memory serves. I could easily go on. If someone could really prove that there was no climate change, or that it was definitely not caused by humans the journals would eat it up. If this lady really has data showing that COVID is a product of a bioweapons program she could publish it anywhere. Fact of the matter it isn't. She's got a lot of nothing, thus she's on Tucker Carlson.
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If this lady really has data showing that COVID is a product of a bioweapons program she could publish it anywhere. Fact of the matter it isn't. She's got a lot of nothing, thus she's on Tucker Carlson.
This is your major beef. You are obsessed with Tucker Carlson (just like the progressives) because you keep making this point over and over.
You're only comments to Dr. Yan's paper is "she's got a lot of nothing". You are clearly unable to articulate any real counter arguments to what she has written, which I believe is mainly attributed to your lack of working knowledge in her field of expertise.
The reason I say this is your fellow travelers, the academic progress leftist, are using the exact same methodology you are. Smears, accusations and personal discredit to Dr. Yan, which is exactly what the CCP is doing (in addition to wanting her dead).
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Proteins that fight cancer are called tumor suppressors, and they are big deal in basic science and medicine.
That's pretty cool research. It's great when you get an idea and are able to dive in and see that it actually holds water. Even cooler if it adds to knowledge and is recognized as cool. Really, congratulations on this line of research.
One of the things that gives me the most joy is watching an expert in a field doing what they do best. Whether a carpenter, a musician, or someone who jiggles proteins, watching an expert make it look easy is amazing.
Scientist love new data that overturns paradigms. The old paradigm is once cells are differentiated, they stay that way.
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If someone could really prove that there was no climate change, or that it was definitely not caused by humans the journals would eat it up.
Generally, yes. As long as it stays in the science community. It's fun to read an article that makes me go, HM... how about that. The problems arise when there is a huge political establishment that has a massive investment in the way things are. Like climate change. Of course climate is changing. Always has. Always will. Humans are a factor. But whether it's a tiny tiny effect or a major driving force in the change is a big question. A certain political party is actively suppressing research that goes against man made climate change. Remember "settled science"? Anything that goes against the settled science is derided and suppressed. Because there's big money in "carbon offsets".
iPS cells put the lie to that, the paper was published in Cell. Remember ulcers? Turned out to be a bacterial infection, published in Nature if memory serves. I could easily go on.
Ulcers. Yep. A huge pharmaceutical industry dedicated to "turning off the little pumps that make stomach acid that causes ulcers". The bacterial research was suppressed until enough people were convinced that bacteria caused it. Driven by another industry that arose to kill ulcer bacteria.
Imagine if there was a huge political effort that found money in no man made climate change. You'd see minds changed in an instant.
If this lady really has data showing that COVID is a product of a bioweapons program she could publish it anywhere. Fact of the matter it isn't. She's got a lot of nothing, thus she's on Tucker Carlson.
Until November 4th. Then we'll see her everywhere.
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Proteins that fight cancer are called tumor suppressors, and they are big deal in basic science and medicine. The biggest of them all are P53 and Rb. Mutations in both cause juvenile cancer syndromes, and both have integral functions within the cell cycle. Rb functions in the CyclinD/CDK4/E2F axis, and is a very important cell cycle brake. Knockouts of Rb in mice had suggested that it had widespread functions within the embryo, which made sense for its role as a major tumor suppressor. I saw some slides of the placenta of an Rb embryo and realized that placental dysfunction was the etiologic agent of most Rb dysfunctions. This view was not accepted at all at first (I recall my friend Gustavo saying "what's a placenta") but I outlined a research program that would pinpoint Rb's role both in placentogenesis and embryonic function. It turned out that Rb was only involved in muscle development, most critically the diaphragm. This was the basis for a multimillion dollar award from the NIH, and was published in Nature. It overturned a tightly held paradigm, that Rb was essential for numerous embryonic functions. It was a huge deal, Nature doesn't publish just anything.
The funniest thing is we needed tetraploid rescue to prove the point, and the widget that electrofuses embryos was sitting in a friend's lab across town and he didn't know how to use it. Quite the surprise. I got that up and running. I loved that thing, came from Hungary and you needed a Hungarian darning needle to do the blastomere aggregation experiments. Good times.
Scientist love new data that overturns paradigms. The old paradigm is once cells are differentiated, they stay that way. iPS cells put the lie to that, the paper was published in Cell. Remember ulcers? Turned out to be a bacterial infection, published in Nature if memory serves. I could easily go on. If someone could really prove that there was no climate change, or that it was definitely not caused by humans the journals would eat it up. If this lady really has data showing that COVID is a product of a bioweapons program she could publish it anywhere. Fact of the matter it isn't. She's got a lot of nothing, thus she's on Tucker Carlson.
Yeah but how much money and political power is invested in placental dysfunction being the etiologic agent of Rb dysfunctions?
Edit: username made the point more eloquently than I and I didn’t read it before responding.
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Ulcers. Yep. A huge pharmaceutical industry dedicated to "turning off the little pumps that make stomach acid that causes ulcers". The bacterial research was suppressed until enough people were convinced that bacteria caused it. Driven by another industry that arose to kill ulcer bacteria.
Yeah, it was suppressed for such a long time that it was published immediately and earned the researchers the Nobel Prize.
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Yeah, it was suppressed for such a long time that it was published immediately and earned the researchers the Nobel Prize.
Published in the Medical Journal of Australia. Nobel was 23 years after discovery. And they had a long hard road to acceptance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1283743/
The clinical community, however, met their findings, with skepticism and a lot of criticism and that's why it took quite a remarkable length of time for their discovery to become widely accepted. They had to just push it harder and harder with all experimental and clinical evidences. In 1985, for example, Marshall underwent gastric biopsy to put evidence that he didn't carry the bacterium, then deliberately infected himself to show that it in fact caused acute gastric illness. This 'self-help' experiment was published in the Medical Journal of Australia to describe development of a mild illness over a course of 2 weeks, which included histologically proven gastritis.
Now THAT'S dedication. And shows what it takes to overcome professional skepticism. Publishing =/= acceptance of findings.
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Published in the Medical Journal of Australia. Nobel was 23 years after discovery. And they had a long hard road to acceptance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1283743/Now THAT'S dedication. And shows what it takes to overcome professional skepticism. Publishing =/= acceptance of findings.
There's often a long stretch between the discovery and the Nobel. Sir John Gurdon's took 50 years! That said, I hadn't remembered they published in an obscure Australian Journal (which that is). I can see why it didn't get immediate traction. Thank you.
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I don't know why I bother. I really don't.
The COVID genome has been deciphered, you can look it up yourself. It is a naturally occurring coronavirus that made the jump humans. I don't really care what Tucker Carlson says, he doesn't know a damn thing about it. Researchers at the medical school in Wuhan was investigating coronaviruses because they had emerged from the area before. It is possible that the virus was a lab escapee, but I doubt it very very strongly. It is a bat virus that can use pangolins as reservoir. Turns out Pangolins were on the menu in Hubei. My old boss used to say in Hubei province they'll eat anything with four legs that isn't a table. I recall responding that in Sichuan province they'd only eat what they ate in Hubei province if it had hot sauce on it.
Like HIV, Sars, Mers, Ebola and others the virus jumped to humans in place were humans ate bush meat. Puts them in intimate contact with viruses. Most human viruses come from animals, we haven't been around long enough to evolve our own. Measles is a cow virus, if memory serves. Most poxviruses come from poultry. There will be more, you can count on it. I just hope the next round isn't handled at insanely irresponsibly as this one.
Go ahead with your invective, I've disagreed with Fox News so I must be wrong. My years of expertise count as nothing against the incredible wisdom of Fox News. I'm just a liberal professor perpetrating some sort of hoax. yada yada. Like I said, I really don't know why I bother.
You sound like the British in 1930. They thought there was no way a rational leader would ever start a war after the War to End All Wars.
When those same Brits heard that Hitler was building a Luftwaffe in 1934, they didn’t believe it. Then Neville Chamberlain’s complacency and appeasement led to the Battle of Britain.
By failing to even consider the CCP as possibly complicit in its spread, you are showing extreme naivety.
That’s why we can’t let people like Fauci set national policy.
And by the way Tucker Carlson simply gave this MD/PhD a forum to make her case. Did you even hear it?
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I was hoping you would weigh in. I thought I had remembered that the virus genome had been sequenced and it had been determined to most likely have arisen in the wild. There was another Chinese researcher who had said so, and that he believed it had been inadvertently released by the lab, not created by it. This woman, as much as I could understand her between her heavy accent and my hearing loss, seems to be saying the Chinese created it and deliberately released it. Why should I believe her over the other guy?
Because I’m not a virologist or haven’t even bothered yet to educate myself on virus genomes and then look at the thing myself, I don’t know first hand what the truth is. Occam’s razor would incline me to say it arose in the wild, was being studied at the lab, and the incompetent Chinese let it escape. But I also wouldn’t put it past the CCP to tweak a wild virus into something they could deploy as a bioweapon. It’s just that, if that’s what they were doing, why the hell wouldn’t they make one that was actually frightful to people not already with one foot in the grave?
I have trouble believing that the Chinese foresaw the economic shutdown when never in the history of man have we reacted to a pandemic by committing economic suicide, least of all for a bug with better than 99.5% survival rate. I’m sure they’re loving the damage being done to the U.S., but I seriously doubt they plotted the whole thing. In fact we know exactly where that idea came from: the 14 year old daughter of some government researcher or bureaucrat many years ago did a paper for her high school class postulating what would happen if we “social distanced” during a pandemic. That paper led to the development of a “plan” a long time ago, but it was never implemented until now. Why now and not for the swine flu is another topic, but not really something the Chinese control, unless they’re collaborating directly with Fauci.
But I am very interested in hearing what this woman says and seeing whatever evidence she can produce. I’m not going to believe it just because Fox and Tucker host her, but at least they’re letting her talk. If she is wrong, let’s look at what she has and prove it wrong.
When you introduce a weapon, you start small, in the event it blows back on you. If this was a weaponized virus, it makes perfect sense to me.
Even though it is not dangerous to people who don’t have one foot in the grave, make no mistake - the fear is real, ESPECIALLY among the young and healthy. This fear was not driven by the virus, it has been driven by the useful idiots in government who have done the CCP’s work for them.
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The speed is unheard of because of the advances made previously, with very generous government support I might add. the social contract is badly broken. Originally, we scientists were supposed to benefit from generous funding and deliver technological breakthroughs that would promote the economy and pay for themselves. Worked too, many many fold over. But these days politicians deride and ignore scientists, rendering most of our most valuable insights meaningless. This crisis is a good example, with government officials promoting the line that it's a hoax, not dangerous, and a drag on the economy and no more. The attitudes exhibited here came from somewhere. And now they're trying to rush the vaccine makers, imperiling the entire exercise. Trump has very, very little to do with it besides not (yet) getting in the way. The vaccine has come quickly because of new technology allowing the production of mRNA vaccines. That is assuming they work, which has not in any way been yet determined.
I and my kind have been derided here over and over as parasites. If you like I can find you posts, it wouldn't be difficult.
The public derides you both, when scientists are joined at the hip with politicians.
At least private sector scientists have a profit motive, which is more pure than a public university scientist’s appeal for more grants and funding.
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Yup, I'm just a retired engineer. I don't know anything about analyzing data. Not a thing. Can't possibly understand all this medical magic.
Do you understand the difference between someone dying that had covid-19 and someone dying due to covid-19?
"get over yourself" - you might want to take your advice. Oh I realize you won't, because you are just a chip off the ol' block.
If you want data on hospital usage in Maskachusetts, go to Mass.gov and do your own research. Sauce for the goose and all.
"Mrs. Steingar has more talent in her left pinkie that you do in your whole body." - with respect to Mrs Steingar, you don't know anything about me.
A reasonable analogy is prostate cancer, something I had 9 years ago. It was caught early and removed. I had zero symptoms, just a high PSA level. Fortunately I didn’t join the likes of Ray Thomas or Dan Fogelberg who died from it.
1 in 9 men die “with” prostate cancer, not because of it. 1 man in 41 will die “from” PC.
The more I’m seeing the more I believe the government is counting people dying “with” Covid as people dying “from” Covid.
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How many manuscripts has this "famous scientist" published in international (read "English") journals? I'll wager not even one. And before you tell me she's published in Chinese journals out the wazoo, you should know the bar for doing that is way, way lower than for International journals. My old boss at the NIH published hugely, our lab was one of the most productive there. HE moved back to China and hasn't published in international journals since.
I have no respect whatsoever for a scientist that evades peer review and publishes in the media. I can't blame you guys for falling for it, you don't have the technical training to know better and aren't supposed to. No one can be an expert on anything, except maybe Bob Noel in his own head. That's why there are guys like me, to look over the data and make certain it's ship shape. To make certain that the conclusions are supported by the data, and aren't overstated. Like I said, had she submitted her work to Science, Nature, the Journal of Virology, PLOS Genetics or a number of other journals, I've give it quite a bit of creedance. Instead she appears on Tucker Carlson. What the fuck ever.
Sure Mike. The CCP censors would obviously allow her to publish something in your vaunted journals if the research points the fingers back at the CCP, right?
Are you on drugs? Serious question.
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The only flaw in your logic is if those high bar journals suffer from some kind of bias. Scientists aren’t supposed to allow bias but they’re only human. Would not be the first time the top experts in a scientific field couldn’t break out of a paradigm or a prejudice. Somebody has to decide which papers to publish out of all the submissions. And now with academics and researchers being around 90% liberal, and today’s atmosphere of extreme hatred for the current administration as well as anti-capitalism and pro-leftism sentiment infesting our higher institutions, I’m wary of trusting the objectivity of these experts you’re talking about, while agreeing with you that strict scientific protocol in search for truth should be being followed.
Let’s ask the Democrats’ favorite scientist, Bill Nye the Science Guy. He should give us an opinion as unbiased as anyone else.
Smh
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Trump can most certainly promote the rapid development of a vaccine. Operation Warp Speed is a Trump initiative.
Who is my vaunted scientist? I don't believe I ever mentioned any scientist or linked to any articles by any scientist. Or are you just stereotyping again?
Exactly. Does he think Obama or Clinton would have marshaled the PRIVATE sector like Trump? Not a chance.
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The public derides you both, when scientists are joined at the hip with politicians.
At least private sector scientists have a profit motive, which is more pure than a public university scientist’s appeal for more grants and funding.
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I would say easier as they always want funding for whatever they are working on.
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That’s why we can’t let people like Fauci set national policy.
THIS^^^^^^^^^!!!!!!!!!
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Proteins that fight cancer are called tumor suppressors, and they are big deal in basic science and medicine. The biggest of them all are P53 and Rb. Mutations in both cause juvenile cancer syndromes, and both have integral functions within the cell cycle. Rb functions in the CyclinD/CDK4/E2F axis, and is a very important cell cycle brake. Knockouts of Rb in mice had suggested that it had widespread functions within the embryo, which made sense for its role as a major tumor suppressor. I saw some slides of the placenta of an Rb embryo and realized that placental dysfunction was the etiologic agent of most Rb dysfunctions. This view was not accepted at all at first (I recall my friend Gustavo saying "what's a placenta") but I outlined a research program that would pinpoint Rb's role both in placentogenesis and embryonic function. It turned out that Rb was only involved in muscle development, most critically the diaphragm. This was the basis for a multimillion dollar award from the NIH, and was published in Nature. It overturned a tightly held paradigm, that Rb was essential for numerous embryonic functions. It was a huge deal, Nature doesn't publish just anything.
The funniest thing is we needed tetraploid rescue to prove the point, and the widget that electrofuses embryos was sitting in a friend's lab across town and he didn't know how to use it. Quite the surprise. I got that up and running. I loved that thing, came from Hungary and you needed a Hungarian darning needle to do the blastomere aggregation experiments. Good times.
Scientist love new data that overturns paradigms. The old paradigm is once cells are differentiated, they stay that way. iPS cells put the lie to that, the paper was published in Cell. Remember ulcers? Turned out to be a bacterial infection, published in Nature if memory serves. I could easily go on. If someone could really prove that there was no climate change, or that it was definitely not caused by humans the journals would eat it up. If this lady really has data showing that COVID is a product of a bioweapons program she could publish it anywhere. Fact of the matter it isn't. She's got a lot of nothing, thus she's on Tucker Carlson.
Are you that much of a fucktard that you think she’s not in danger? Her colleagues have disappeared.
But of course in the cloistered world of academia you see no problem as to why she can’t pump out a paper for publication.
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Has anyone read John Ringo's "The Last Centurion"?
(probably not a good book to read in the midst of all this covid-19 panic)
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Are you that much of a fucktard that you think she’s not in danger? Her colleagues have disappeared.
But of course in the cloistered world of academia you see no problem as to why she can’t pump out a paper for publication.
Link please. I think someone with good dirt on the Chinese government would be an easy sell for asylum. I saw the COVID sequence myself. If someone created that they're way better scientists than the best we have, and I don't think China is there now nor will they ever be.
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Link please. I think someone with good dirt on the Chinese government would be an easy sell for asylum. I saw the COVID sequence myself. If someone created that they're way better scientists than the best we have, and I don't think China is there now nor will they ever be.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/coronavirus-china-doctor-disappears-warned-about-covid-19-threat/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233203/Chinas-disappeared-happened-dared-speak-coronavirus.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11399829/wuhan-whistleblowers-coronavirus-still-missing-china/
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2
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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/coronavirus-china-doctor-disappears-warned-about-covid-19-threat/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233203/Chinas-disappeared-happened-dared-speak-coronavirus.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11399829/wuhan-whistleblowers-coronavirus-still-missing-china/
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2
You are wasting your time.
mikey doesn't read anything that was not provided by his communist masters.
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Fox's own lawyers say you can't believe anything that comes out of Tucker Carlson's mouth.
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Fox's own lawyers say you can't believe anything that comes out of Tucker Carlson's mouth.
I agree with that; I find my own sources to back up what he says, but do you do that for CNN or MSNBC etc. anchors and commentators? Or do you just buy what mainstream media sells?
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Fox's own lawyers say you can't believe anything that comes out of Tucker Carlson's mouth.
Shows like Tucker and Humanity TELL YOU they are conservative OPINION shows and they are commentators not news readers. The crap you watch lie and try to get you to believe it is actual news. Big difference .
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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/coronavirus-china-doctor-disappears-warned-about-covid-19-threat/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8233203/Chinas-disappeared-happened-dared-speak-coronavirus.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11399829/wuhan-whistleblowers-coronavirus-still-missing-china/
https://www.businessinsider.com/china-coronavirus-whistleblowers-speak-out-vanish-2020-2
This Chinese Virologist was on Tucker Carlson tonight 10/6/20. She stated that her 63-year old mother has been arrested and taken to Beijing.
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This Chinese Virologist was on Tucker Carlson tonight 10/6/20. She stated that her 63-year old mother has been arrested and taken to Beijing.
Terrorist and mobster and gang tactic. CCP.
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The sequence was examined by top-notch western virologists and published in one of the most preeminent science journals. I really don't care what some unknown Chinese person says about it, unless that person can pass the sort of peer-review necessary to get into one of the top journals. And before you say its all programmed, keep in mind that journals love the NEW. If someone really could prove that COVID was an engineered virus released on purpose every science journal on the planet would want to publish it. That is NEW.
My thought about the rampant incompetence in the government response is the the POTUS realized the deadly nature of the virus, lied about it to the American people, and instead of promoting behaviors that might have mitigated the crisis engaged in promoting quack cures and arguing with his own experts. The virus has killed 190,000 Americans with us doing everything in our power to slow it down. That's many times the number killed by influenza with us doing nothing to slow it down. The worry was always that it would overwhelm our medical system like it did in Italy. Came close in the North East.
And what honks me off is that you guys deride the vaccine makers, dedicated scientists trying to cure this thing as parasites, while the guys who clean up their garbage are heroes.
https://thenationalpulse.com/news/covid-looks-engineered-govt-funded-immunologist-told-fauci-in-january-2020/
Kristian Andersen – the head of the Andersen Lab at Scripps Research Institute in California – told Dr. Fauci in late January 2020 that “unusual features” of the COVID-19 virus led him to believe it was “potentially engineered.”
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https://summit.news/2021/06/02/email-researcher-who-funded-wuhan-lab-admitted-to-manipulating-coronaviruses-thanked-fauci-for-dismissing-lab-leak-theory/
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This’ll get as much attention and credibility as Hunter’s laptop.
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This’ll get as much attention and credibility as Hunter’s laptop.
Dunno. Reports this afternoon is that the WH wants to dump Fauci over the emails.
And Amazon plus several other large book retailers have pulled Fauci's book advance sales.
The evidence is stacking up against Pope Tony, and it's his own words (in video and emails) that is unraveling him.
He needs to be put in an orange jumpsuit and taken down to Gitmo for a tribunal.
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He needs to be put in an orange jumpsuit and taken down to Gitmo for a tribunal.
WHO should he take along for company?
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WHO should he take along for company?
Whitmer, Coumo, Newsome..............
Long, long list.
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Whitmer, Coumo, Newsome..............
Long, long list.
And all the people bragged on in the Time article for conspiring to “save” the election using covid as an opportunity.
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https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1400245325697257474
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WHO should he take along for company?
Yes, of course. What’s on second.
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Yes, of course. What’s on second.
Yes is the batboy.
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Fox's own lawyers say you can't believe anything that comes out of Tucker Carlson's mouth.
mikey,
The truth is that you haven't had a single original thought, or post in years.
Those long posts of yours are lifted entirely without mention of their author, and you spew
stupid, msm talking points as if they have significant bearing on the topic.
Other than your peers, which consist of pathetic, whining, parasites, nobody ever believes a single thing you post, or teach.
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Fox's own lawyers say you can't believe anything that comes out of Tucker Carlson's mouth.
are you trying to claim that anything that Tucker says is a lie?
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One of the worst mistakes the US ever made was opening up relations to the illegitimate nation of mainland China, thinking that they would magically see the superiority of democracy and capitalism. They saw it with respect to capitalism for sure, by stealing our intellectual property, manipulating trade to their unfair advantage, and using it to modernize and become strong, but they remained authoritarian with the same thugs in charge where the definition of communism is, “we pretend to be owned by the People while the party hoards power and wealth and everyone else lives under totalitarian rule.”
Now we have created a monster bent on world domination and we are literally dependent on this hostile entity for all our shit, which they can’t manufacture to any reasonable standard.
When someone sees this disaster for what it is and tries to correct it (Trump) he is demonized by the elite class (political and corporate allies) and Democrat sheeple; the former because of corruption and the latter, stupidity.
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Now we have created a monster bent on world domination and we are literally dependent on this hostile entity for all our shit, which they can’t manufacture to any reasonable standard.
as an aside: actually, they can. They simply choose not to.
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as an aside: actually, they can. They simply choose not to.
I have heard that sometimes they manufacture good stuff for their own use and export the crap. I'm sure that's true at least sometimes.
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One of the worst mistakes the US ever made was opening up relations to the illegitimate nation of mainland China, thinking that they would magically see the superiority of democracy and capitalism. They saw it with respect to capitalism for sure, by stealing our intellectual property, manipulating trade to their unfair advantage, and using it to modernize and become strong, but they remained authoritarian with the same thugs in charge where the definition of communism is, “we pretend to be owned by the People while the party hoards power and wealth and everyone else lives under totalitarian rule.”
Now we have created a monster bent on world domination and we are literally dependent on this hostile entity for all our shit, which they can’t manufacture to any reasonable standard.
When someone sees this disaster for what it is and tries to correct it (Trump) he is demonized by the elite class (political and corporate allies) and Democrat sheeple; the former because of corruption and the latter, stupidity.
The CCP has infiltrated every level of government, and has gone into large corporations and planted people into high levels while the principals are getting massive payouts.
In order to fuel China's economy, they need a market place to sell their crap, and the US is a "prime" marketplace. Of course, it destroys our manufacturing base and places the US at the mercy of China (how convenient).
And now our WH has a guy who is totally compromised by the CCP, so they can do as they please without fear of retaliation. And the principals of our large corporations are just as happy to start sending our manufacturing back to mainland China.
And let's top all of that off with biological warfare. We have a communist country that our own government FUNDED to create a biological weapon, and they openly used it against us and the western world in order to gain control.
And the US does............nothing.
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I have heard that sometimes they manufacture good stuff for their own use and export the crap. I'm sure that's true at least sometimes.
The Chinese are not as smart as some tend to believe. This is why they steal technology from other countries. Think about it, what break through technology have they come up with 100% from the mainland?
This is why the CCP embeds spies in every industry that produces technology.
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The CCP has infiltrated every level of government, and has gone into large corporations and planted people into high levels while the principals are getting massive payouts.
In order to fuel China's economy, they need a market place to sell their crap, and the US is a "prime" marketplace. Of course, it destroys our manufacturing base and places the US at the mercy of China (how convenient).
And now our WH has a guy who is totally compromised by the CCP, so they can do as they please without fear of retaliation. And the principals of our large corporations are just as happy to start sending our manufacturing back to mainland China.
And let's top all of that off with biological warfare. We have a communist country that our own government FUNDED to create a biological weapon, and they openly used it against us and the western world in order to gain control.
And the US does............nothing.
This is why we need Trump back.
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This is why we need Trump back.
But he might say mean things and upset people!
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But he might say mean things and upset people!
And he said “pussy”. Eeeeeeeeeek!
You would think this was the Puritan age the way women get offended at such normal male talk, all while they walk around dressed like sluts, and some with a literal pussy hat. Personally, the hat offends me much more than a man having what he thought was a private conversation with another man.
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The thing that gives China a fighting chance to achieve their goals versus the old USSR is the fact that we are funding their build up via the importing we do and the people flocking to buy the cheap Chinese crap.
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I think making other nations trading partners, even ones with which we disagree, is really good policy. Keeps us from going to war. No matter how. much you think we've lost to China, it would be dwarfed by going to war with China. Wars are expensive.
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I think making other nations trading partners, even ones with which we disagree, is really good policy. Keeps us from going to war. No matter how. much you think we've lost to China, it would be dwarfed by going to war with China. Wars are expensive.
The keyword here is "partners". The ChiComs are hardly partners on a level playing field. We're free to buy their crap but they put huge tariffs on anything we want to sell to them. Trump tried to level the playing field but was called racist for doing so. I agree with you if they were indeed partners. As it is, they are selling the rope we will hang ourselves with.
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Beats going to war. Whatever we've lost to China, we'd lose more going to war with them.
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Beats going to war. Whatever we've lost to China, we'd lose more going to war with them.
Another content free reply.
What do you want, slavery and servitude or freedom?
You are advocating being an subordinate to a communist country to avoid war. We are talking about American strength and maintaining a level playing field on trade.
I have to assume you want to give all our tech to China as well to “avoid war”.
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Beats going to war. Whatever we've lost to China, we'd lose more going to war with them.
We could have avoided tens of thousands dead in the Civil War if the blacks had just agreed to be slaves.
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I think making other nations trading partners, even ones with which we disagree, is really good policy. Keeps us from going to war. No matter how. much you think we've lost to China, it would be dwarfed by going to war with China. Wars are expensive.
As a free market libertarian I agree that nations trading is a good thing. But as others have said it’s not a level playing field with China and it has been to their advantage, strengthen and modernizing them, while at the same time destroying our own self sufficiency. Balance of trade is a valid concept. Some trade is beneficial but when a large nation with plenty of its own resources stops using them and depends entirely on another nation for all its goods that is a codependency that isn’t healthy.
If we had remained more isolationist it’s possible China would have remained much weaker. They may never have become a threat, on the other hand maybe they would have and looked at our resources jealously. I don’t think we know how history would have gone, but I don’t think we can automatically assume it would have been war with China had we not opened up trade.
The right thing is probably limited thoughtful trade deals that benefit us as well as them, which is exactly what Trump negotiated.
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Beats going to war. Whatever we've lost to China, we'd lose more going to war with them.
Hmm, that's what countries thought when faced with Hitler and the German war machine. That got them far...
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What does Tucker Carlson have to do with this? A Chinese scientist came on his show and stated that China unleashed this on purpose. Can you prove her wrong?
Don’t you understand?
Mikey was ordered to think these things by his masters.
He wouldn’t / couldn’t come up with a shred of the things he steals from others on his own.
Now we’ve tossed his sound bite hysteria in the trash where it belongs and that makes us the enemy.
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I think making other nations trading partners, even ones with which we disagree, is really good policy. Keeps us from going to war. No matter how. much you think we've lost to China, it would be dwarfed by going to war with China. Wars are expensive.
What makes you conclude that war and trade are mutually exclusive, or that an absence of trade invites wars?
As long as Labron James can get his Nikes made by Chinese slave laborers, we’re cool. James is single-handedly keeping us out of a shooting war. What a hero.
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Not a fan of Nikki Haley but she’s right on point:
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That is the real question.
Why did dr quack lie so much, so often, and with such perverse confidence?
It’s the nature of liberalism.
Lie about your intentions until it’s too late then change the lie and keep right on lying.