Post by: Jaybird180 on September 17, 2020, 08:28:05 AM
Suppose it is Bio-Terrorism, then I’d think assigning it as a National Security issue and marking the information CLASSIFIED might be appropriate. In other cases and because of the scope, is it no longer in the realm of non-releasable and should be declassified?
Just spiff-balling here.
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2020, 08:54:23 AM
The POTUS has acknowledged that he downplayed the scope of what he was briefed about COVID19, treating all of us like emotional children.
Suppose it is Bio-Terrorism, then I’d think assigning it as a National Security issue and marking the information CLASSIFIED might be appropriate. In other cases and because of the scope, is it no longer in the realm of non-releasable and should be declassified?
Just spiff-balling here.
Do you have any knowledge on how National Security is handling Covid right now, and what investigations are currently ongoing?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 17, 2020, 09:18:54 AM
Do you have any knowledge on how National Security is handling Covid right now, and what investigations are currently ongoing?
That's not an appropriate question... think it through... people with knowledge of sensitive or classified stuff should never ever discuss them on a public forum (yes, I know, that has never stopped congresscritters or new media pukes).
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 17, 2020, 09:20:00 AM
The POTUS has acknowledged that he downplayed the scope of what he was briefed about COVID19, treating all of us like emotional children.
Suppose it is Bio-Terrorism, then I’d think assigning it as a National Security issue and marking the information CLASSIFIED might be appropriate. In other cases and because of the scope, is it no longer in the realm of non-releasable and should be declassified?
Just spiff-balling here.
in other words, he wasn't trying to incite panic (unlike other organizations and people)
spiff-balling? do you mean "schiff-balling"?
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2020, 09:26:13 AM
That's not an appropriate question... think it through... people with knowledge of sensitive or classified stuff should never ever discuss them on a public forum (yes, I know, that has never stopped congresscritters or new media pukes).
I know that. My point is how does he know that his premise is not already happening?
Post by: Username on September 17, 2020, 09:32:14 AM
The POTUS has acknowledged that he downplayed the scope of what he was briefed about COVID19, treating all of us like emotional children.We ARE all emotional children. Individually we're (mostly) intelligent beings and can make good decisions. However, as the great philosopher George Carlin said, "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." The president was trying to prevent the stupidity of large groups. Unfortunately the Democrats actively encourage large groups of stupid people.
Post by: Anthony on September 17, 2020, 09:44:19 AM
The POTUS has acknowledged that he downplayed the scope of what he was briefed about COVID19, treating all of us like emotional children.
Suppose it is Bio-Terrorism, then I’d think assigning it as a National Security issue and marking the information CLASSIFIED might be appropriate. In other cases and because of the scope, is it no longer in the realm of non-releasable and should be declassified?
Just spiff-balling here.
Why create panic? It is up to our leaders to be PRAGMATIC. Look at what the Democrats and Media, whom are one in the same, have done. People are in a panic over a big nothing.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 17, 2020, 10:16:24 AM
When FDR said “We have nothing to fear but fear itself” was he not also treating the population as emotional children?
He was trying to convey a positive mental attitude, as was Trump. FDR even kept a lid on minor “secrets”. While in office FDR’s press secretary barred reporters from photographing FDR in a wheelchair (cameras were seized from photographers who disobeyed.) Nevermind that it was known that FDR was crippled - if there were no photographs to remind people of his handicap he would be less likely to be seen as a weak leader. So historically, beyond the FDR example, there have been many occasions where presidents and lower level leaders have misled or outright lied to people about possible dangers. It is pretty petty to hark on Trump because it involves special pleading.
Contrast with a public servant where I live: early on our governor warned that according to the experts thousands would die in our state and made preparations for additional ICU beds. She said that the disease would be a marathon, not a sprint. So public policy must be designed to handle an outbreak lasting well out to the fall. A shutdown could not be endured for that long - the correct answer was to treat the population of her state as adults and merely act as a conduit for expert advice and guidance. I.e. act as a servant to the public, not a master of the public.
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2020, 10:28:32 AM
As a bioweapon Covid-19 sucks. It isn’t terribly lethal to healthy people, among other flaws.
Actually it worked brilliantly.
Terrorism is, as the name implies, based on fear. Terrorist do not go out with the intent on killing thousands, but killing select few. The basics of terrorism is the fear generated by the unknown. Take airlines right after 9/11. The chances of a terrorist attack were minimal, but the thought of not know when and where they could strike was enough to instill terror into people and keep them in fear of flying.
Same could be said of mall bombings, subways, etc. Remember, our side has to be right 100% of the time, the terrorist only have to be right once.
Covid, as a weapon has been highly effective. Name something else that brought on a worldwide collapse in as little as two weeks.
The fear generated by something we can't see is incalculable.
Post by: Anthony on September 17, 2020, 10:37:11 AM
Actually it worked brilliantly.
Terrorism is, as the name implies, based on fear. Terrorist do not go out with the intent on killing thousands, but killing select few. The basics of terrorism is the fear generated by the unknown. Take airlines right after 9/11. The chances of a terrorist attack were minimal, but the thought of not know when and where they could strike was enough to instill terror into people and keep them in fear of flying.
Same could be said of mall bombings, subways, etc. Remember, our side has to be right 100% of the time, the terrorist only have to be right once.
Covid, as a weapon has been highly effective. Name something else that brought on a worldwide collapse in as little as two weeks.
The fear generated by something we can't see is incalculable.
It only worked and is working due to Media and Democrat politician created panic. No Media saying how horrible it is and oh, so many cases 24/7, and I mean 24/7, interspersed with Systemic Racism propaganda then there wouldn't be this panic among so many of the Sheeple.
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2020, 10:56:12 AM
It only worked and is working due to Media and Democrat politician created panic. No Media saying how horrible it is and oh, so many cases 24/7, and I mean 24/7, interspersed with Systemic Racism propaganda then there wouldn't be this panic among so many of the Sheeple.
The progressive leftist, the CCP, the WHO, democrats, and big tech are all complicit.
Post by: Number7 on September 17, 2020, 11:00:27 AM
The POTUS has acknowledged that he downplayed the scope of what he was briefed about COVID19, treating all of us like emotional children.
Suppose it is Bio-Terrorism, then I’d think assigning it as a National Security issue and marking the information CLASSIFIED might be appropriate. In other cases and because of the scope, is it no longer in the realm of non-releasable and should be declassified?
Just spiff-balling here.
IIRC, the president made a statement (derided by every communist - I mean democrat - on capitol hill, saying he was changing how certain briefings were being done as the information was being leaked by communists (they call themselves democrats - what a laugh) so fast the briefings were virtual news conferences.
Maintaining secrecy while working quietly is impossible with the communist (democrat) party doing everything in their power to destroy America to regain the power of the white house.
Post by: Steingar on September 17, 2020, 11:16:09 AM
Post by: Username on September 17, 2020, 11:37:55 AM
The thing's genome was sequenced and published moths ago. What is it you want to know, exactly?Shoot. We know exactly what it is and its genome sequence. How hard would it be to find a magic bullet toxin that attacks exactly that genome sequence and nothing else? A nicely blueprinted toxin. Seems pretty easy. We do it in software all the time, and we call them (ta da!) virus scanners. Blueprint the virus, watch for it in emails, and then eliminate it when found. Easy peasy. Now why can't we do that for real viruses?
Post by: Steingar on September 17, 2020, 11:47:24 AM
Shoot. We know exactly what it is and its genome sequence. How hard would it be to find a magic bullet toxin that attacks exactly that genome sequence and nothing else? A nicely blueprinted toxin. Seems pretty easy. We do it in software all the time, and we call them (ta da!) virus scanners. Blueprint the virus, watch for it in emails, and then eliminate it when found. Easy peasy. Now why can't we do that for real viruses?
Have at it. Actually, we can develop stuff like that. RNAi will silence any viral RNAs. Crispr/Cas can cut the viral genome. Problem is in delivery, getting those reagents to the affected cells as they're affected. Anything else is even more difficult, since the virus hijacks cellular systems to replicate itself. Anything that will stop the virus from replicating will badly affect normal cells.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 17, 2020, 01:23:16 PM
Shoot. We know exactly what it is and its genome sequence. How hard would it be to find a magic bullet toxin that attacks exactly that genome sequence and nothing else? A nicely blueprinted toxin. Seems pretty easy. We do it in software all the time, and we call them (ta da!) virus scanners. Blueprint the virus, watch for it in emails, and then eliminate it when found. Easy peasy. Now why can't we do that for real viruses?
yup. we know the sequence... all six of them (who can prove there won't be additional ones?)
And anti-virus stuff is nowhere near perfect. How many false positives?
Post by: Steingar on September 17, 2020, 02:49:54 PM
Post by: Mase on October 12, 2020, 10:55:19 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 13, 2020, 07:02:52 AM
It's really not fair to them.
Post by: Steingar on October 13, 2020, 10:12:04 AM
don't confuse the liberals with facts.
It's really not fair to them.
I know way more about viruses than any of you guys, and they don't confuse little old me. My neighbor has the 'rona now. I am worried it could kill her husband, I'm certain he has it too. Mrs. Steingar was out with her outside the other day, and she's worried she might have it as well. I told her if she's going to get it from our neighbor she already has it, and so do I. I doubt it, but we'll just have to wait and see. I don't care what Trumplethinskin says about it. It is a dangerous virus and highly infectious.
Post by: Username on October 13, 2020, 10:20:23 AM
I know way more about viruses than any of you guys,You don't know more than Google!
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 13, 2020, 10:21:10 AM
I really wish people wouldn't "overstate" the how infectious COVID-19 is. The measles is highly contagious, covid-19 is not. it is certainly contagious, but it is not highly contagious. "overstating" the seriousness of covid-19 degrades your credibility. It would be more helpful is you were honest about it.
https://www.nfid.org/2020/07/16/measles-covid-19-a-dangerous-combination/
"Measles is highly contagious—much more so than COVID-19. It is so contagious that if one person has measles, up to 90 percent of the people close to that person who are not immune will also become infected. You can get measles just by being in a room where a person infected with measles has been, even up to two hours after that person has left!"
Post by: nddons on October 13, 2020, 10:39:31 AM
I know way more about viruses than any of you guys, and they don't confuse little old me. My neighbor has the 'rona now. I am worried it could kill her husband, I'm certain he has it too. Mrs. Steingar was out with her outside the other day, and she's worried she might have it as well. I told her if she's going to get it from our neighbor she already has it, and so do I. I doubt it, but we'll just have to wait and see. I don't care what Trumplethinskin says about it. It is a dangerous virus and highly infectious.Have you heard of the Great Barrington Declaration? How about these people? Do they know as much as you?
Newsweek article below just for reference:
BREAKING NEWS: The world renowned experts in their fields, after a 4 day conference regarding COVID-19, declare that WE SHOULD ALL GO BACK TO LIVING NORMALLY, PRACTICING SIMPLE HYGIENE & STAYING HOME WHEN SICK (NO FACE MASKS OR SOCIAL DISTANCING) and only protect the most vulnerable populations with more protective measures!
“From October 1-4, 2020, the American Institute for Economic Research had a remarkable meeting of top epidemiologists, economists, and journalists, to discuss the global emergency created by the unprecedented use of state compulsion in the management of the Covid-19 pandemic. The result is The Great Barrington Declaration, which urges a “Focused Protection” strategy.”
“Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume.”
Signed by:
Dr. Martin Kulldorff, Professor, Medicine, Harvard Medical School.
Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Professor, Medicine, Stanford University.
Dr. Sunetra Gupta, Professor, Theoretical Epidemiology, University of Oxford.
The co-signers include
Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, PhD. associate professor of biostatistics at Baylor University and the Director of the Baylor Statistical Consulting Center. He is a Colonel in the US Army (retired) whose research includes a focus on infectious disease spread and diagnosis.
Dr. Eitan Friedman, MD, PhD. Founder and Director, The Susanne Levy Gertner Oncogenetics Unit, The Danek Gertner Institute of Human Genetics, Chaim Sheba Medical Center and Professor of Medicine, Department of Internal Medicine and Depertment of Human Genetics and Biochemistry, Tel-Aviv University
Dr. Rajiv Bhatia, MD, MPH a physician with the VA health system with expertise in epidemiology, health equity practice, and health impact assessment of public policy. He formerly served as a Deputy Health Officer for San Francisco for 18 years.
Dr. Michael Levitt, PhD is a biophysicist and a professor of structural biology at Stanford University. Prof. Levitt received the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry for the development of multiscale models for complex chemical systems.
Dr. Eyal Shahar, MD professor (emeritus) of public health at the University of Arizona, a physician, epidemiologist, with expertise in causal and statistical inference.
Dr. David Katz, MD, MPH, President, True Health Initiative and the Founder and Former Director of the Yale University Prevention Research Center
Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, PhD., professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science at Stanford University Medical School, a biostatistician and data scientist
Dr. Simon Thornley, PhD is an epidemiologist at the University of Auckland, New Zealand. He has experience in biostatistics and epidemiological analysis, and has applied these to a range of areas including communicable and non-communicable diseases.
Dr. Michael Jackson, PhD is an ecologist and research fellow at the University of Canterbury, New Zealand.
Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden.
Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism expert and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA.
Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden Prof. Udi Qimron, Chair, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University
Prof. Ariel Munitz, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University
Prof. Motti Gerlic, Department of Clinical Microbiology and Immunology, Tel Aviv University
Dr. Uri Gavish, an expert in algorithm analysis and a biomedical consultant
Prof. Ellen Townsend, Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, UK.
Dr. Paul McKeigue, professor of epidemiology in the University of Edinburgh and public health physician, with expertise in statistical modelling of disease.
Dr. Mario Recker, Associate Professor in Applied Mathematics at the Centre for Mathematics and the Environment, University of Exeter.
Prof. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge
Prof. Stephen Bremner, Professor of Medical Statistics, Brighton and Sussex Medical School, University of Sussex
Prof. Matthew Ratcliffe, Professor of Philosophy specializing in philosophy of mental health, University of York, UK
Prof. Lisa White, Professor of Modelling and Epidemiology Nuffield Department of Medicine, Oxford University, UK
Prof. Angus Dalgleish, MD, FRCP, FRACP, FRCPath, FMedSci, Department of Oncology, St. George’s, University of London
Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics at Tufts University School of Medicine, an expert on vaccine development, efficacy and safety.
Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology in the University of Edinburgh and public health physician, with expertise in risk prediction.
Prof. Partha P. Majumder, PhD, FNA, FASc, FNASc, FTWAS National Science Chair, Distinguished Professor and Founder National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, KalyaniEmeritus Professor Indian Statistical Institute, Kolkata
Dr. Gabriela Gomes, professor at the University of Strathclyde, Glasgow, a mathematician focussing on population dynamics, evolutionary theory and infectious disease epidemiology.
Prof. Anthony J Brookes, Department of Genetics & Genome Biology, University of Leicester, UK
Prof. Simon Wood, professor at Edinburgh University, a statistician with expertise in statistical methodology, applied statistics and mathematical modelling in biology
Prof. David Livermore, Professor at University of East Anglia, a microbiologist with expertise in disease epidemiology, antibiotic resistance and rapid diagnostics
Prof. Sucharit Bhakdi, em. Professor of Medical Microbiology, University of Mainz, Germany
Prof. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu,
Professor of Finance, Director at Behavioural Finance Working Group, School of Business and Management, Queen Mary University of London
Prof. Karol Sikora MA, PhD, MBBChir, FRCP, FRCR, FFPM, Medical Director of Rutherford Health, Oncologist, & Dean of Medicine
Ask yourself WHY this isn't flooding every news station and WHY they're still pushing fear and death?!
https://www.newsweek.com/over-6000-scientists-sign-anti-lockdown-petition-saying-its-causing-irreparable-damage-1537047?fbclid=IwAR2CZR_ezNm72f_XKbzf5qefzE6hkHpMtgZnZKyzRGSIJ3e2Z7KolVAN1G0
Post by: Mr Pou on October 13, 2020, 10:59:40 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 13, 2020, 11:12:04 AM
Post by: nddons on October 13, 2020, 11:21:38 AM
Rush, the male one, is talking about this now.We prefer the more well endowed Rush, but the one on the radio is good too.
Post by: Steingar on October 13, 2020, 11:44:41 AM
Have you heard of the Great Barrington Declaration? How about these people? Do they know as much as you?
What I see is 6000 "scientists". That could be 6000 Geologists for all I know. Having everything go back to normal with a deadly and highly infectious virus on the loose in a naive population is the dumbest idea I've yet heard. And if you guys want to tell me this 'rona isn't deadly you'd be better off explaining that to the families and loved ones of the 200,000 Americans who have died of it. Our medical facilities could still be easily overwhelmed. This is seriously bad news. Yeah, there are going to be hard times, but to me that beats lots and lots of dead people. Remember that's 200,000 with us doing everything we can to stop the transmission of the virus. Dwarfs a normal flu season, and we haven't even hit the fucking flu season yet. This could easily get way worse. And do keep in mind that the vaccines that are just around the corner are high experimental and have never worked before even once. And if they don't, old school vaccines take 3 years to make to a novel virus.
One of my old friends got this a couple months ago and hasn't been right since. Do whatever the fuck you want, I don't care. I'm doing everything I can to sit this one out.
Post by: Lucifer on October 13, 2020, 12:20:10 PM
What I see is 6000 "scientists". That could be 6000 Geologists for all I know. Having everything go back to normal with a deadly and highly infectious virus on the loose in a naive population is the dumbest idea I've yet heard. And if you guys want to tell me this 'rona isn't deadly you'd be better off explaining that to the families and loved ones of the 200,000 Americans who have died of it. Our medical facilities could still be easily overwhelmed. This is seriously bad news. Yeah, there are going to be hard times, but to me that beats lots and lots of dead people. Remember that's 200,000 with us doing everything we can to stop the transmission of the virus. Dwarfs a normal flu season, and we haven't even hit the fucking flu season yet. This could easily get way worse. And do keep in mind that the vaccines that are just around the corner are high experimental and have never worked before even once. And if they don't, old school vaccines take 3 years to make to a novel virus.
One of my old friends got this a couple months ago and hasn't been right since. Do whatever the fuck you want, I don't care. I'm doing everything I can to sit this one out.
You didn’t even bother to read what Stan wrote. You didn’t even bother to read the list of professionals and their bona fides of their specialties.
It simply doesn’t meet your ideology, so therefor it’s wrong, in your mind.
Keep harping about how deadly Covid is suppose to be. Your 200,000 number leaves out a lot of details, such as the actual cause of death. It’s been estimated (by real scientist, not academics) that the actual death count to Covid alone is about 10,000. In other words, the average heathy person stands a greater chance of dying from lightening or a rabid dog attack.
In 3 weeks watch how fast your fellow travelers drop Covid as it will no longer have any usefulness to them.
Post by: nddons on October 13, 2020, 01:05:24 PM
What I see is 6000 "scientists". That could be 6000 Geologists for all I know. Having everything go back to normal with a deadly and highly infectious virus on the loose in a naive population is the dumbest idea I've yet heard. And if you guys want to tell me this 'rona isn't deadly you'd be better off explaining that to the families and loved ones of the 200,000 Americans who have died of it. Our medical facilities could still be easily overwhelmed. This is seriously bad news. Yeah, there are going to be hard times, but to me that beats lots and lots of dead people. Remember that's 200,000 with us doing everything we can to stop the transmission of the virus. Dwarfs a normal flu season, and we haven't even hit the fucking flu season yet. This could easily get way worse. And do keep in mind that the vaccines that are just around the corner are high experimental and have never worked before even once. And if they don't, old school vaccines take 3 years to make to a novel virus.Wow, you’re the real Wizard of Oz. “Don’t look at that man behind the curtain!”
One of my old friends got this a couple months ago and hasn't been right since. Do whatever the fuck you want, I don't care. I'm doing everything I can to sit this one out.
And I though scientists were supposed to think critically when presented with alternative data. What the hell do I know, I’m only a CPA.
Post by: Rush on October 13, 2020, 01:08:22 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 13, 2020, 02:05:16 PM
I was under the impression the virus was mutating weaker, that the case fatality rate is dropping over time.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh................
Science denier!!!!!! It’s DEADLY! HIGHLY contagious!!!
It will chase you down a street and attack you!!!!
Post by: Steingar on October 14, 2020, 06:29:28 AM
I was under the impression the virus was mutating weaker, that the case fatality rate is dropping over time.Could be. A virus that doesn't kill its host is going to stick around longer than one that does kill its host. Also possible that we're just better at dealing with it than we were a few months back. All that said, my worry has never been lethality. My worry is the damn thing is going to overwhelm our medical resources. That, and we still don't really know everything it does in the body. The protein it binds to is found all other the place, including the vascular epithelium and the myocardium.
Post by: Lucifer on October 14, 2020, 06:50:16 AM
All that said, my worry has never been lethality. My worry is the damn thing is going to overwhelm our medical resources.
Also been proven to be untrue. During the great lockdown to "flatten the curve" medical facilities never were overwhelmed. Even since this started medical facilities have not been overwhelmed. Never.
We spent millions on temp field hospitals that were never used. We dispatched floating hospital ships that weren't used.
What did happen? Many hospitals were financially devastated by the lockdown. Because covid was everything, hospitals declined other important medical procedures. The covid hospitalization never materialized. Hospitals layed off staff and closed sections, posting huge losses.
The "overwhelming of the medical facilities" is just another liberal fear mongering talking point.
Post by: nddons on October 14, 2020, 08:32:47 AM
Also been proven to be untrue. During the great lockdown to "flatten the curve" medical facilities never were overwhelmed. Even since this started medical facilities have not been overwhelmed. Never.Here’s a list of the field hospitals. Note the cost, the contractor, the number of beds, followed by the number of patients:
We spent millions on temp field hospitals that were never used. We dispatched floating hospital ships that weren't used.
What did happen? Many hospitals were financially devastated by the lockdown. Because covid was everything, hospitals declined other important medical procedures. The covid hospitalization never materialized. Hospitals layed off staff and closed sections, posting huge losses.
The "overwhelming of the medical facilities" is just another liberal fear mongering talking point.
SUNY STONY BROOK
Stony Brook, N.Y.
Turner Construction Co.
$155,500,000
1,038
0
SUNY OLD WESTBURY
Old Westbury, N.Y.
AECOM Technical Services Inc.
$118,504,737
1,022
0
MCCORMICK PLACE
Chicago
Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority
$65,526,533
3,000
37
WESTCHESTER COUNTY CENTER
White Plains, N.Y.
Haugland Energy Group LLC
$46,971,895
100
0
COLORADO CONVENTION CENTER
Denver
ECC Environmental LLC
$34,609,792
2,000
0
WALTER WASHINGTON CONVENTION CENTER
Washington, D.C.
Hensel Phelps Construction Co.
$31,793,893
443
Not yet complete
COMMERCIAL APPEAL BUILDING
Memphis, Tenn.
AECOM Technical Services Inc.
$26,134,527
40
Not yet complete
MIAMI BEACH CONVENTION CENTER
Miami Beach, Fla.
The Robins & Morton Group
$25,925,692
450
0
SHERMAN HOSPITAL
Elgin, Ill.
Turner Construction Co.
$18,255,251
283
0
WESTLAKE HOSPITAL
Melrose Park, Ill.
Bulley & Andrews
$16,391,366
314
0
METROSOUTH MEDICAL CENTER
Blue Island, Ill.
Clark Construction Group LLC
$14,989,955
350
0
WISCONSIN STATE FAIR EXPO CENTER
West Allis, Wis.
Gilbane Inc.
$14,912,326
530
0
THE RANCH EVENTS COMPLEX
Loveland, Colo.
AECOM Technical Services Inc.
$13,331,415
1,007
Not yet complete
SUBURBAN COLLECTION SHOWPLACE
Novi, Mich.
Gilbane Federal
$11,754,262
1,100
6
JAVITS CENTER
New York City
New York Convention Center Operating Corporation
$11,364,953
1,900
1,095
EAST ORANGE GENERAL HOSPITAL
East Orange, N.J.
Cutting Edge Group LLC
$10,993,404
250
Not yet complete
TCF CENTER
Detroit
Gilbane Inc.
$9,452,813
1,000
39
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 14, 2020, 08:50:19 AM
Except when the virus hit and we knew little about it, preparedness was key. And our President was there to make it happen. If those beds had been filled, the press would have found (read: made up) and broadcasted 24/7 something about the field hospitals that wasn’t tip top, or that gays and MS13 members and women were being turned away.
I would not only crawl across broken glass to vote for Donald Trump, I would crawl across molten, radioactive glass to vote for him.
Post by: Anthony on October 14, 2020, 09:59:19 AM
Here’s a list of the field hospitals. Note the cost, the contractor, the number of beds, followed by the number of patients:
SUNY STONY BROOK
Stony Brook, N.Y.
Turner Construction Co.
$155,500,000
1,038
0
SUNY OLD WESTBURY
Old Westbury, N.Y.
AECOM Technical Services Inc.
$118,504,737
1,022
0
MCCORMICK PLACE
Chicago
Metropolitan Pier and Exposition Authority
$65,526,533
3,000
37
WESTCHESTER COUNTY CENTER
White Plains, N.Y.
Haugland Energy Group LLC
$46,971,895
100
0
COLORADO CONVENTION CENTER
Denver
ECC Environmental LLC
$34,609,792
2,000
0
WALTER WASHINGTON CONVENTION CENTER
Washington, D.C.
Hensel Phelps Construction Co.
$31,793,893
443
Not yet complete
COMMERCIAL APPEAL BUILDING
Memphis, Tenn.
AECOM Technical Services Inc.
$26,134,527
40
Not yet complete
MIAMI BEACH CONVENTION CENTER
Miami Beach, Fla.
The Robins & Morton Group
$25,925,692
450
0
SHERMAN HOSPITAL
Elgin, Ill.
Turner Construction Co.
$18,255,251
283
0
WESTLAKE HOSPITAL
Melrose Park, Ill.
Bulley & Andrews
$16,391,366
314
0
METROSOUTH MEDICAL CENTER
Blue Island, Ill.
Clark Construction Group LLC
$14,989,955
350
0
WISCONSIN STATE FAIR EXPO CENTER
West Allis, Wis.
Gilbane Inc.
$14,912,326
530
0
THE RANCH EVENTS COMPLEX
Loveland, Colo.
AECOM Technical Services Inc.
$13,331,415
1,007
Not yet complete
SUBURBAN COLLECTION SHOWPLACE
Novi, Mich.
Gilbane Federal
$11,754,262
1,100
6
JAVITS CENTER
New York City
New York Convention Center Operating Corporation
$11,364,953
1,900
1,095
EAST ORANGE GENERAL HOSPITAL
East Orange, N.J.
Cutting Edge Group LLC
$10,993,404
250
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TCF CENTER
Detroit
Gilbane Inc.
$9,452,813
1,000
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https://www.npr.org/2020/05/07/851712311/u-s-field-hospitals-stand-down-most-without-treating-any-covid-19-patients
So Steingar has been caught spreading Democrat and Media lies yet again. Pathetic.
Post by: Number7 on October 14, 2020, 01:16:37 PM
As those field hospital stats were reported by NPR, they must gleefully have thought it would hurt President Trump.
Except when the virus hit and we knew little about it, preparedness was key. And our President was there to make it happen. If those beds had been filled, the press would have found (read: made up) and broadcasted 24/7 something about the field hospitals that wasn’t tip top, or that gays and MS13 members and women were being turned away.
I would not only crawl across broken glass to vote for Donald Trump, I would crawl across molten, radioactive glass to vote for him.
Me too.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 14, 2020, 04:56:08 PM
Post by: bflynn on October 15, 2020, 03:44:57 AM
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“Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed.”....
The trouble with this is that the young are terrified of the virus. They have been told it might kill them and they’re not mature enough to understand risk. With my son being in college now, I keep track of the campus pulse by lurking various student sites - these kids think it’s a death sentence and treat it like radioactivity. The only group for which this might be true is the elderly.
I believe more people under 65 are going to wind up dying from fearing the virus than from the actual virus.
Post by: Anthony on October 15, 2020, 04:21:59 AM
The trouble with this is that the young are terrified of the virus. They have been told it might kill them and they’re not mature enough to understand risk. With my son being in college now, I keep track of the campus pulse by lurking various student sites - these kids think it’s a death sentence and treat it like radioactivity. The only group for which this might be true is the elderly.
I believe more people under 65 are going to wind up dying from fearing the virus than from the actual virus.
The Media, Social Media, Entertainment and their teachers and professors are spreading lies to make them panic. It is another tool in their Marxist playbook. BLM and the Virus have temporarily or maybe even permanently supplanted Man Made Climate Change as their main tool to install Tyranny and the removal of rights, freedoms and liberties.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 15, 2020, 05:01:15 AM
... With my son being in college now, I keep track of the campus pulse by lurking various student sites - these kids think it’s a death sentence and treat it like radioactivity. The only group for which this might be true is the elderly.
I believe more people under 65 are going to wind up dying from fearing the virus than from the actual virus.
Even for the elderly, covid-19 is not a death sentence. Anyone promoting that panic is a liar. Challenge those liars to produce actual facts, actual data.
And I submit that more people of every age is going to wind up dying from fear than from the actual virus.
Post by: Username on October 15, 2020, 05:30:49 AM
Stan, what's going on up in WI? Evers is putting up a field hospital?The City of Milwaukee is opening up a field hospital in State Fair Park. My physical therapist said that our local hospital is being reorganized to handle more inpatients and doctors are being reassigned from outpatient to inpatient care. She is worried that her PT facility will go back to where it was in March with very limited capacity. It's running full speed now with good precautions in cleaning and barriers between equipment. She thinks that it will soon go back to all that plus no more than two patients at a time in the facility vs. now where its full. It was strange being having two physical therapists... one to work on me and one to follow us and clean the equipment when we're done.
Post by: Rush on October 15, 2020, 06:38:22 AM
The City of Milwaukee is opening up a field hospital in State Fair Park. My physical therapist said that our local hospital is being reorganized to handle more inpatients and doctors are being reassigned from outpatient to inpatient care. She is worried that her PT facility will go back to where it was in March with very limited capacity. It's running full speed now with good precautions in cleaning and barriers between equipment. She thinks that it will soon go back to all that plus no more than two patients at a time in the facility vs. now where its full. It was strange being having two physical therapists... one to work on me and one to follow us and clean the equipment when we're done.
My chiropractor is so over it. No one wears masks in the office and he doesn’t use gloves, he always reaches for my hand to help me off the table. Bare skin touching bare skin, the horror! The first time I hesitated thinking, “you aren’t scared I will kill you?” Now I love it. A man with zero fear.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 15, 2020, 08:08:44 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 15, 2020, 08:11:18 AM
Jamie DuPree, Cox Media guy, works to hype the fear every day by posting the death number and now the cases because they are trending up.
Actually, the death numbers are trending down.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 15, 2020, 08:34:08 AM
Actually, the death numbers are trending down.Seven day average is hanging around 700. It is sad that this thing is so dangerous to some folks.
Post by: nddons on October 15, 2020, 09:59:10 AM
Stan, what's going on up in WI? Evers is putting up a field hospital?It’s Rona theater. Our pencil-necked Governor has based his latest mask mandate and 25% capacity mandate with zero scientific basis. They are set to expire 11/6.
Last spring they spent $15 million for 530 beds and saw zero patients. I’m certain he won’t make that mistake again and will put some patients in the Cream Puff Forum or whatever other building they are in at the State Fairgrounds, for media purposes.
Oh, and he’s under a heavy recall effort, since the GOP-controlled legislature has been sitting with their thumbs up their ass for 6 months not doing anything to combat Evers’ unconstitutional actions.
Post by: nddons on October 15, 2020, 10:09:35 AM
The trouble with this is that the young are terrified of the virus. They have been told it might kill them and they’re not mature enough to understand risk. With my son being in college now, I keep track of the campus pulse by lurking various student sites - these kids think it’s a death sentence and treat it like radioactivity. The only group for which this might be true is the elderly.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201015/fa66869f8fac720c9160c39249eef53c.jpg)
I believe more people under 65 are going to wind up dying from fearing the virus than from the actual virus.
Post by: nddons on October 15, 2020, 10:15:19 AM
Even for the elderly, covid-19 is not a death sentence. Anyone promoting that panic is a liar. Challenge those liars to produce actual facts, actual data.10 days after being diagnosed with the Rona Donald Trump was dancing to YMCA on the stage in Florida.
And I submit that more people of every age is going to wind up dying from fear than from the actual virus.
Even Chris Christie is recovering.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 15, 2020, 10:16:45 AM
Seven day average is hanging around 700. It is sad that this thing is so dangerous to some folks.
from world-o-meter
Post by: nddons on October 15, 2020, 10:20:49 AM
My chiropractor is so over it. No one wears masks in the office and he doesn’t use gloves, he always reaches for my hand to help me off the table. Bare skin touching bare skin, the horror! The first time I hesitated thinking, “you aren’t scared I will kill you?” Now I love it. A man with zero fear.I saw a manufacturing client today in a small town about 45 minutes north of Milwaukee this morning. I asked and the receptionist said masks aren’t required; needed to electronically sign in and then they took our temperature.
Go into the conference room and CEO walks in and says “Are we shaking hands?” And we all did.
It was great to see some feeling of normalcy and a sense of calm.
Post by: Lucifer on October 15, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
Actually, the death numbers are trending down.
Depends on how it’s twisted. ::)
Post by: nddons on October 15, 2020, 12:03:07 PM
Depends on how it’s twisted. ::)The death count is trending down because some are coming back to life to vote for Biden.
Post by: Number7 on October 15, 2020, 01:18:41 PM
Depends on how it’s twisted. ::)
This has become nothing but a political weapon.
There is zero science, zero integrity, and zero medicine involved with the creation of these fake reports.
Post by: Lucifer on October 16, 2020, 06:03:36 AM
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Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 16, 2020, 08:45:46 AM
Walmart has finally removed the stupid as hell one way arrows in the aisles.Publix and Aldi here. Been staying clear of Walmart since they instituted mask Nazis.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 16, 2020, 08:59:30 AM
Publix and Aldi here. Been staying clear of Walmart since they instituted mask Nazis.
In Salem Maskachusetts, they are called "ambassadors"...
::)
Post by: jb1842 on October 16, 2020, 12:39:28 PM
Walmart has finally removed the stupid as hell one way arrows in the aisles.
I never followed those anyways.
Post by: Lucifer on October 16, 2020, 01:14:19 PM
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White House COVID-19 adviser Dr. Scott Atlas is criticizing what he said was an ongoing "obsession" with masks, claiming that universal masking mandates "don't work" at suppressing the spread of SARS-Cov-2.
Atlas made the remarks during an appearance on Fox News's "The Ingraham Angle" following President Trump's Miami town hall event. During that broadcast, host Savannah Guthrie challenged the president several times over his stance on masking.
On host Laura Ingraham's show, Atlas criticized what he called a "lame, bizarre obsession at this point that everyone must have universal masking."
He cited multiple U.S. counties, states, and worldwide countries in which broad mask mandates have been instituted –from Hawaii to the United Kingdom – that have nevertheless had major increases in COVID-19 cases.
The U.K., for instance, has required masks on public transportation and in shops since mid-summer, yet their average daily case rate is currently more than triple from its peak in the spring.
"The president has a rational, common-sense mask policy," Atlas said. "If you cannot socially distance, you wear a mask, particularly when you're high risk."
"And I think Americans are getting a little bit sick of this obsession with masks," he added.
Trump has resisted demands to impose a nationwide mask mandate since the start of the pandemic. A majority of U.S. states, meanwhile, have instituted some form of mask mandate over the past several months.
Post by: Number7 on October 16, 2020, 01:29:09 PM
Some bimbo greeter shouted at me that I was on the wrong side of the piece of tape separating the entrance line from the exit line to keep people from passing too close, or some such bullshit.
I smiled and let her rant, because stupid people act stupidly, so why bother...
She then cut me off and screamed loud enough to be heard in the parking lot that I didn't have a mask on.
I smiled and said, "You are right. I don't," and kept right on walking apparently the wrong way.
Clearly mentally disturbed the bimbo then shouts, "I'll get you a mask. You HAVE to wear it."
I smiled for the last time and said, "No I don't. And Don't raise your voice to me. I'm in no mood to deal with idiots with no brains, no class, and no manners," and kept right on walking.
The manager intercepted me and apologized, promising to "re-educate" the bimbo.
Stupid can't be helped, but you don't have to indulge it, or pretend to respect them).
Post by: jb1842 on October 16, 2020, 01:40:40 PM
Post by: Username on October 17, 2020, 06:58:18 AM
Post by: Little Joe on October 17, 2020, 07:30:56 AM
Local outdoor store chain has sign that says if you don't have a mask on, they assume you have a medical condition, and won't ask you due to HIPAA laws.Saw a sign at a restaurant recently that said, "Masks are suggested, however, if you are not wearing a mask, we must take your temperature. We apologize that all we have are rectal thermometers.".
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 17, 2020, 07:52:41 AM
Saw a sign at a restaurant recently that said, "Masks are suggested, however, if you are not wearing a mask, we must take your temperature. We apologize that all we have are rectal thermometers.".I would be very tempted to go in sans mask and as they approached, drop my drawers. ;D
Post by: Lucifer on October 20, 2020, 06:31:38 AM
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COVID-19 is caused by a coronavirus and the flu is caused by an influenza virus. These are two similar but distinct types of viruses that can be easily differentiated in a lab. But new data from the CDC may point to the flu being misdiagnosed as COVID-19, resulting in higher coronavirus numbers but much lower flu numbers. In fact, there has been a 95% decrease in flu cases during current weeks 40-41.
This time last year, there were 1251 flu cases reported to the CDC during weeks 40-41. This is about average. But in 2020, we’re seeing a record low number of 61 total flu cases reported in the same time period. It doesn’t take a medical degree to come to the logical conclusion that the flu didn’t suddenly disappear but that it’s simply being misdiagnosed as COVID-19.
There are two most likely scenarios causing this. The first is nefarious; doctors and hospitals are misdiagnosing on purpose. Whether for political or financial reasons, medical professionals are reporting flu cases as COVID-19. The second and more likely scenario is that people who have been infected with COVID-19 and did not see symptoms were subsequently infected with the flu and then went to the doctor. They were tested and since they had both viruses in their system, they were reported as the higher-paying COVID-19 diagnosis.
On the Ingraham Angle last night, Laura Ingraham and Phil Kerpen discussed this trend and pointed to the likelihood that the flu isn’t really gone, but COVID-19 numbers are more politically and financially expedient to report.
Post by: Rush on October 20, 2020, 06:54:57 AM
https://noqreport.com/2020/10/19/flu-cases-drop-95-compared-to-last-year-are-patients-being-misdiagnosed-as-having-covid-19/
We really have no goddamn idea what the true numbers are, just like we have no idea how much or even if, man is causing climate change and in both cases it is insane to destroy the economy with policy based on completely unreliable data.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 20, 2020, 07:45:27 AM