Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 17, 2020, 09:33:21 AM
In the past the whole flu vaccination stuff was "ho hum, we don't care"
NOW it's important.
Kind of underscores my observation from beginning: either our society's consideration of the flu was negligent in the past or we are overreacting to covid-19. You can't legitimately claim we were treating (no pun) flu correctly before and also claim the reaction to covid-19 isn't an over-the-top.
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2020, 09:46:59 AM
Today's briefing by Gov Baker (today is 17 Sept) included discussion of the importance of getting flu vaccinations.
In the past the whole flu vaccination stuff was "ho hum, we don't care"
NOW it's important.
Kind of underscores my observation from beginning: either our society's consideration of the flu was negligent in the past or we are overreacting to covid-19. You can't legitimately claim we were treating (no pun) flu correctly before and also claim the reaction to covid-19 isn't an over-the-top.
Covid 19 has given the progressive left a new chapter, and a new set of tools. We've opened Pandora's Box.
The flu will now take center stage. The fear mongering will explode now, and the flu will be the next chapter in "emergency health orders".
Expect more social distancing, mask orders, lock downs, etc. Anything and everything will now be an excuse for new "emergency orders", aka suspension of rights.
Post by: Anthony on September 17, 2020, 10:40:19 AM
Covid 19 has given the progressive left a new chapter, and a new set of tools. We've opened Pandora's Box.
The flu will now take center stage. The fear mongering will explode now, and the flu will be the next chapter in "emergency health orders".
Expect more social distancing, mask orders, lock downs, etc. Anything and everything will now be an excuse for new "emergency orders", aka suspension of rights.
That's why we aren't hearing as much about Man Made Climate Change although they will blame it when they can like on the Wildfires. Where's little 17 year old Greta been? These "health crisis" propaganda is an immediate way to install oppressive tyranny and Marxism.
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2020, 11:14:06 AM
More talk of "flu" and "influenza" is starting. Look for covid to segway into the flu.
Post by: Steingar on September 17, 2020, 11:15:19 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2020, 11:22:36 AM
The stuff you do token from getting COVID works for influenza as well. If folks are with the program there won't be much of a flu season this year.
So is "with the program" mean maintaining restrictions, social distancing, masking and denial of rights?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 17, 2020, 11:35:35 AM
The stuff you do token from getting COVID works for influenza as well. If folks are with the program there won't be much of a flu season this year.
I've been hoping for lower incidence of respiratory ailments. And indeed, during today's (17 Sept) Gov Baker brief he mentioned how some of his medical contacts are noting lower numbers being seen (my note: hopefully, it's real and not an artifact of covid-19 fear)
A counterexample was provided by my nephew's girlfriend. She's a nurse in a NICU unit. You'd expect that she is completely up on the whole protocol for masks, hand hygiene, etc etc. And she is someone that gets a bit upset with people dissing the use of masks, etc. A few weeks ago she caught a cold or the flu (of course she got tested for covid-19).
So, while all the social distancing, hand hygeine, etc should be effective, it does not guarantee that no one will get the flu this upcoming season.
Post by: Little Joe on September 17, 2020, 04:04:33 PM
So, while all the social distancing, hand hygeine, etc should be effective, it does not guarantee that no one will get the flu this upcoming season.Obviously. Only magic would guarantee that.
But that doesn't mean you shouldn't take precautions.
Post by: Steingar on September 17, 2020, 05:09:52 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2020, 05:24:10 PM
Nothing guarantees you won't get influenza. But if you mask up, social distance, and keep your hands clean your chances of contracting it go down monumentally. Heck, Mrs. Steingar had full-blown influenza a couple years back and I didn't get it.
Thanks for affirming my point.
Post by: nddons on September 18, 2020, 05:13:28 AM
So is "with the program" mean maintaining restrictions, social distancing, masking and denial of rights?Don’t forget strangling small businesses to death, never to rise again. Fucking Trump.
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2020, 05:31:58 AM
Don’t forget strangling small businesses to death, never to rise again. Fucking Trump.
The RINO Greg Abbott of Texas is slowly reopening the state. With "his" blessing, people can now start getting medical procedures again.
Oh, but bars? Nope! Remain closed!!! He has called bars "corona virus spreaders" and is keeping them closed. However, if a restaurant has a full service bar, they can have up to 75% occupancy.
WTF? And there is zero scientific evidence that a bar is the source of the virus. And there is zero evidence that just because a bar is contained in a restaurant it somehow is safer than a stand alone bar.
This is tyranny, exactly what the perfesser longs for.
This is far, far from over. Seems Abbott also believes his face diaper mandate is responsible for lowering "cases", so now the face diaper mandate is on the books for the foreseeable future. And now that flu season is being discussed, they are looking at continuing mandates to cover the flu now.
Post by: Steingar on September 18, 2020, 06:26:38 AM
Post by: Rush on September 18, 2020, 08:30:41 AM
I do wish governments were a bit more judicious in which businesses they deem important enough stay open. Here they allowed tattoo parlors and barbers, I think because part of their licensing involves training in asepsis and hygiene. There are still some common sense measures that would have allowed a lot more businesses to stay open longer. But at the end of the day we do have ourselves to blame, we elect these people.
Can’t argue with that. It’s why I secretly believe - and this is only semi-sarcastic: benevolent dictatorship is actually the best form of government. For the most part, the masses cannot be trusted to vote intelligently. Otherwise we wouldn’t be in this mess right now. Except the trouble with that is the benevolent dictator will eventually die and leave some psychopathic brute in charge. There’s no winning. All free, prosperous societies will ultimately crumble. I was hoping the U.S. would last a little longer but it looks like 2020 is the year.
Post by: nddons on September 18, 2020, 11:40:46 AM
Can’t argue with that. It’s why I secretly believe - and this is only semi-sarcastic: benevolent dictatorship is actually the best form of government. For the most part, the masses cannot be trusted to vote intelligently. Otherwise we wouldn’t be in this mess right now. Except the trouble with that is the benevolent dictator will eventually die and leave some psychopathic brute in charge. There’s no winning. All free, prosperous societies will ultimately crumble. I was hoping the U.S. would last a little longer but it looks like 2020 is the year.Can you name a benevolent dictatorship that remained benevolent and has endured?
Post by: Rush on September 18, 2020, 12:59:45 PM
Can you name a benevolent dictatorship that remained benevolent and has endured?
I can’t even name a benevolent dictatorship period.
Post by: nddons on September 18, 2020, 01:45:49 PM
I can’t even name a benevolent dictatorship period.I know, it was just rhetorical.
A representative republic is not a problem-free form of government, but it’s better than all the rest.
Post by: Anthony on September 18, 2020, 02:00:40 PM
I know, it was just rhetorical.
A representative republic is not a problem-free form of government, but it’s better than all the rest.
When it doesn't have the Media, Education, Social Media, Tech, Entertainment, Sports, much of Corporate America, and government bureaucracy on one side. The Left side, and radically so. It isn't working now because of that.
Post by: bflynn on September 19, 2020, 01:55:31 AM
I do wish governments were a bit more judicious in which businesses they deem important enough stay open.
Weird. I wish the government had not suddenly assumed the power of deciding for us that any particular business is dangerous. What’s next, should they extend that power and just permanently shut down anything that is “too” dangerous in regular life? Gun stores, liquor stores, motorcycles, private GA, etc?
Post by: Anthony on September 19, 2020, 03:57:46 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 19, 2020, 05:44:43 AM
Now the leftist Progressives have a new chapter in the playbook, one that works beyond their wildest dreams. They brought the entire country to it's knees in just two weeks, and 6 months later they still have it in their control.
"National Emergency" and "State Emergency" in their eyes (as well as many establishment types) means suspending rights and the constitution. And what's even better, everyone complies!
Get ready for a whole host of "National Emergencies" to start happening. Climate Change? Yep, it's a "national emergency". Gasoline powered autos will be prohibited to be sold, and those remaining can only be driven on government approved routes and schedules. Eventually to be phased out and scrapped. Say hello to your new electric car.
Oh, as in most socialist regimes, well connected people will still be able to keep and drive gas powered cars because they are "essential".
You can only begin to imagine the edicts that will come with a Climate Change National Emergency. Governors will write new "laws" and use the heavy hand against anyone who doesn't comply. And they will cite then, as they do now, that these new orders are for everyone's safety.
Post by: Rush on September 19, 2020, 05:55:08 AM
I know, it was just rhetorical.
A representative republic is not a problem-free form of government, but it’s better than all the rest.
I know, and I agree with you.
Post by: Lucifer on September 20, 2020, 04:51:23 PM