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Title: Welp I voted
Post by: Rush on October 13, 2020, 05:10:11 PM
They have this newfangled vote machine where you hit your choices on a screen with a pencil eraser and when you’re done they print out your card. The screen was full of eraser marks on Trump and all the republicans.  ;D

The poll worker said they had way more voters come than they expected for the first day of early voting.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Little Joe on October 13, 2020, 05:26:32 PM
They have this newfangled vote machine where you hit your choices on a screen with a pencil eraser and when you’re done they print out your card. The screen was full of eraser marks on Trump and all the republicans.  ;D

The poll worker said they had way more voters come than they expected for the first day of early voting.
Maybe that’s because people were trying to erase Trump’s name.

Sure hope I’m wrong 
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Rush on October 13, 2020, 05:38:44 PM
We got this here too.

Edit. Oh Lord I uploaded from the iPad I need to change that picture size. For that I have to go to an actual machine and I’m too tired and lazy to do that right now. Or can you modify pics in iOS?
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 13, 2020, 06:13:06 PM
Our machines spit out a paper ballot after you vote and you take it and insert it in the scanner.

I'll vote on November 3rd when there are no lines.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 13, 2020, 06:23:53 PM
We got this here too.

Edit. Oh Lord I uploaded from the iPad I need to change that picture size. For that I have to go to an actual machine and I’m too tired and lazy to do that right now. Or can you modify pics in iOS?

After you select “Choose File” on this forum to upload a photo from your iPad “Photo Library”, you proceed to “Choose Photo” in iOS, after which it should show you a dialog showing the photo you are about to upload. In the latest iOS at the bottom of the dialog window it will say something like “Actual Size x.x MB”. Tap on that and a selection list will appear with Large, Medium, and Small size giving MB size (I wish it would give pixel sizes.) Try one of those. I don’t think it was that long ago they added that option in iOS because I had purchased an app a year or so ago to resize large images prior to upload.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Rush on October 13, 2020, 07:15:19 PM
After you select “Choose File” on this forum to upload a photo from your iPad “Photo Library”, you proceed to “Choose Photo” in iOS, after which it should show you a dialog showing the photo you are about to upload. In the latest iOS at the bottom of the dialog window it will say something like “Actual Size x.x MB”. Tap on that and a selection list will appear with Large, Medium, and Small size giving MB size (I wish it would give pixel sizes.) Try one of those. I don’t think it was that long ago they added that option in iOS because I had purchased an app a year or so ago to resize large images prior to upload.

Thanks!  I never knew you could tap on that. Another hidden feature they don’t want you to find.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Rush on October 14, 2020, 04:23:59 AM
Apparently this guy changed the other guy from Biden to Trump on the spot.

Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Steingar on October 14, 2020, 06:23:43 AM
I voted absentee.  Didn't feel like risking getting the 'rona.  Dropped our ballots off the other day.  Place was busy too, good to see.  I told my students to get registered and vote.  Didn't tell them who to vote for, just told them that absentee ballots were really easy to get, and that they should make their voices heard.  They're the future.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: nddons on October 14, 2020, 08:35:09 AM
Our machines spit out a paper ballot after you vote and you take it and insert it in the scanner.

I'll vote on November 3rd when there are no lines.
I’m hoping the lines are massive. Most republicans I know don’t trust the mail, early voting, or anything they gets between me and the voting machine that reads my ballot.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: nddons on October 14, 2020, 08:38:23 AM
I voted absentee.  Didn't feel like risking getting the 'rona.  Dropped our ballots off the other day.  Place was busy too, good to see.  I told my students to get registered and vote.  Didn't tell them who to vote for, just told them that absentee ballots were really easy to get, and that they should make their voices heard.  They're the future.
Did you tell them they need to get their absentee ballot for their home precinct, or are they claiming their dorm or college residence is their home?
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 14, 2020, 09:20:03 AM
Lots of crying about the lines for early voting. They don't seem to understand that for early voting there are not the number of polling places open as there will be on November 3rd, Election Day.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: nddons on October 14, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
Lots of crying about the lines for early voting. They don't seem to understand that for early voting there are not the number of polling places open as there will be on November 3rd, Election Day.
And those mental midgets’ votes count as much as yours.

Makes you want to leave the earth for a while.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Username on October 15, 2020, 05:36:22 AM
My wife and I voted absentee, and I dropped our ballots off at the courthouse.  Pretty amusing to drive down and see all the HUGE Trump signs.  And the occasional tiny Biden sign.  Looking forward to staying up late on election day and watching the MSM meltdown followed by riots in Democrat controlled cities.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Rush on October 15, 2020, 06:31:39 AM
My wife and I voted absentee, and I dropped our ballots off at the courthouse.  Pretty amusing to drive down and see all the HUGE Trump signs.  And the occasional tiny Biden sign.  Looking forward to staying up late on election day and watching the MSM meltdown followed by riots in Democrat controlled cities.

This place is full of Trump signs and flags. Our whole neighborhood is very pro Trump. All the old school Democrats around here have switched to Trump. They HATE the new far left Dem party.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Lucifer on October 15, 2020, 06:41:17 AM
This place is full of Trump signs and flags. Our whole neighborhood is very pro Trump. All the old school Democrats around here have switched to Trump. They HATE the new far left Dem party.

It's the red mirage.  The polls have Biden winning by a landslide.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Steingar on October 15, 2020, 07:52:48 AM
Did you tell them they need to get their absentee ballot for their home precinct, or are they claiming their dorm or college residence is their home?

Yup.  I told them how easy it is to get an absentee ballot from their home district.  For most it will be their first Presidential election. I said it wasn't a privilege to vote, it was their duty to do so.  Democracy isn't a spectator sport.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Anthony on October 15, 2020, 08:59:33 AM
And that way the Democrats can "find" warehouses full of absentee and mail in ballots,  mostly Democrat of course.   Trump will still win.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 15, 2020, 09:07:18 AM
Yup.  I told them how easy it is to get an absentee ballot from their home district.  For most it will be their first Presidential election. I said it wasn't a privilege to vote, it was their duty to do so. Democracy isn't a spectator sport.

It also requires an honest media.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 15, 2020, 09:31:10 AM
It also requires an honest media.

No such beast appears to have ever existed. For example, Thomas Jefferson, who believed strongly in freedom of speech, on the newspapers of his day:

“The most effectual engines for [pacifying a nation] are the public papers... [A despotic] government always [keeps] a kind of standing army of newswriters who, without any regard to truth or to what should be like truth, [invent] and put into the papers whatever might serve the ministers. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper.”

“I deplore... the putrid state into which our newspapers have passed and the malignity, the vulgarity, and mendacious spirit of those who write for them... These ordures are rapidly depraving the public taste and lessening its relish for sound food.”

 “‘From forty years' experience of the wretched guess-work of the newspapers of what is not done in open daylight, and of their falsehood even as to that, I rarely think them worth reading, and almost never worth notice.”

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”

“As for what is not true, you will always find abundance in the newspapers.”

“A coalition of sentiments is not for the interest of printers… [T]he printers can never leave us in a state of perfect rest and union of opinion. They would be no longer useful and would have to go to the plough.”

"I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens who, reading newspapers, live and die in the belief that they have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time…”

“A truth now and then projecting into the ocean of newspaper lies serves like headlands to correct our course. Indeed, my scepticism as to everything I see in a newspaper makes me indifferent whether I ever see one.”

 “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”

“From a very early period of my life, I had laid it down as a rule of conduct, never to write a word for the public papers.”
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: nddons on October 15, 2020, 10:25:52 AM
My wife and I voted absentee, and I dropped our ballots off at the courthouse.  Pretty amusing to drive down and see all the HUGE Trump signs.  And the occasional tiny Biden sign.  Looking forward to staying up late on election day and watching the MSM meltdown followed by riots in Democrat controlled cities.
Cool. Can I ask what state you are in? 
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: nddons on October 15, 2020, 10:28:37 AM
Yup.  I told them how easy it is to get an absentee ballot from their home district.  For most it will be their first Presidential election. I said it wasn't a privilege to vote, it was their duty to do so.  Democracy isn't a spectator sport.
That’s good. There is always a massive effort to get UW Madison and other state universities’ students to vote as residents, and even use their school ID to satisfy the photo ID requirement. Along with same-day registration, we always get a lot of non-resident students voting as residents in Madison.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: nddons on October 15, 2020, 10:31:24 AM
No such beast appears to have ever existed. For example, Thomas Jefferson, who believed strongly in freedom of speech, on the newspapers of his day:

“The most effectual engines for [pacifying a nation] are the public papers... [A despotic] government always [keeps] a kind of standing army of newswriters who, without any regard to truth or to what should be like truth, [invent] and put into the papers whatever might serve the ministers. This suffices with the mass of the people who have no means of distinguishing the false from the true paragraphs of a newspaper.”

“I deplore... the putrid state into which our newspapers have passed and the malignity, the vulgarity, and mendacious spirit of those who write for them... These ordures are rapidly depraving the public taste and lessening its relish for sound food.”

 “‘From forty years' experience of the wretched guess-work of the newspapers of what is not done in open daylight, and of their falsehood even as to that, I rarely think them worth reading, and almost never worth notice.”

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”

“As for what is not true, you will always find abundance in the newspapers.”

“A coalition of sentiments is not for the interest of printers… [T]he printers can never leave us in a state of perfect rest and union of opinion. They would be no longer useful and would have to go to the plough.”

"I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens who, reading newspapers, live and die in the belief that they have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time…”

“A truth now and then projecting into the ocean of newspaper lies serves like headlands to correct our course. Indeed, my scepticism as to everything I see in a newspaper makes me indifferent whether I ever see one.”

 “The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”

“From a very early period of my life, I had laid it down as a rule of conduct, never to write a word for the public papers.”
THAT IS AWESOME!  I knew Jefferson was suspect of the Press, but I never read that. 

Man, same shit, different century.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Username on October 15, 2020, 11:03:17 AM
Cool. Can I ask what state you are in?
The great state of Wisconsin.  Happy National Cheese Curd Day!
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: nddons on October 15, 2020, 12:01:32 PM
The great state of Wisconsin.  Happy National Cheese Curd Day!
Nice!  I’m in southeast Wisconsin, and I’m seeing the same ratio of signs. Damaged and spray painted Trump signs count as double because they show the public what vile and hateful people the democrats are.

My daughter is in rural Wisconsin and said the farmers who used to be 50/50 are now overwhelmingly Trump supporters.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Steingar on October 15, 2020, 12:53:15 PM
We're seeing the same thing as the 2016 election.  Urban areas are plastered with Biden signs, rural with Trump.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Rush on October 15, 2020, 01:06:05 PM
We're seeing the same thing as the 2016 election.  Urban areas are plastered with Biden signs, rural with Trump.

That’s right, when I visited mom last week in Raleigh all her neighbors had Biden signs. I don’t think I saw a single Trump sign.

This nation has split culturally, ideologically and now even physically. Only unlike the first civil war, we won’t have a nice north south split, we will have an urban rural split with small pockets of cities against vast large areas of land that grows food and stuff.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Number7 on October 15, 2020, 01:21:47 PM
That’s right, when I visited mom last week in Raleigh all her neighbors had Biden signs. I don’t think I saw a single Trump sign.

This nation has split culturally, ideologically and now even physically. Only unlike the first civil war, we won’t have a nice north south split, we will have an urban rural split with small pockets of cities against vast large areas of land that grows food and stuff.

Yep.

Just like the last civil war perpetrated by democrats in an effort to protect slave ownership, the current democrat party is ginning up a civil war to keep blacks ignorant and under their thumb.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: nddons on October 15, 2020, 01:29:45 PM
Yep.

Just like the last civil war perpetrated by democrats in an effort to protect slave ownership, the current democrat party is ginning up a civil war to keep blacks ignorant and under their thumb.
That is a super accurate statement.  The democrats only care about black people for a couple months every 4 years.  I’m hopeful that the democrat chokehold on the black vote opens up this year.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 15, 2020, 04:58:29 PM
Interesting local note on the South Dakota’s lone U.S. Representative race: there is no Democrat running. The only two choices are:

Dusty Johnson — Republican Party
Randy "Uriah" Luallin — Libertarian Party

Article from earlier this year on why no Democrat:

http://ballot-access.org/2020/04/02/no-democratic-candidates-appear-to-have-qualified-for-either-u-s-senate-or-u-s-house-in-south-dakota/ (http://ballot-access.org/2020/04/02/no-democratic-candidates-appear-to-have-qualified-for-either-u-s-senate-or-u-s-house-in-south-dakota/)
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Steingar on October 16, 2020, 10:46:39 AM
Yep.

Just like the last civil war perpetrated by democrats in an effort to protect slave ownership, the current democrat party is ginning up a civil war to keep blacks ignorant and under their thumb.
Unlike the GOP, most of whom in the South are the descendants of the former Dixiecrats.  They just want to keep blacks in their place, like all good White Supremacists.  Yeah, the KKK use dot be Democrat.  Now it's very solidly Republican.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Lucifer on October 16, 2020, 10:56:59 AM
Unlike the GOP, most of whom in the South are the descendants of the former Dixiecrats.  They just want to keep blacks in their place, like all good White Supremacists.  Yeah, the KKK use dot be Democrat.  Now it's very solidly Republican.

Wow, so much ignorance in that statement.

Can you cite any reference for your “facts”?
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Anthony on October 16, 2020, 11:00:57 AM
Unlike the GOP, most of whom in the South are the descendants of the former Dixiecrats.  They just want to keep blacks in their place, like all good White Supremacists.  Yeah, the KKK use dot be Democrat.  Now it's very solidly Republican.

More lies and stereotypes.  I'm in the North, so are many just like me.  It is why Trump won PA, MI, OH, WI, ND, SD, WY and many others in "the North" last election. 
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 16, 2020, 11:34:15 AM
Apparently the self-proclaimed expert on viruses isn't so good with history.

Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Steingar on October 16, 2020, 11:54:33 AM
So you guys are going to tell me that the GOP isn't solidly in charge in the south?  You guys are going to tell me that the GOP isn't rife with white supremacists?  Goold luck with that.  Talk about delusional.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Little Joe on October 16, 2020, 11:56:34 AM
Unlike the GOP, most of whom in the South are the descendants of the former Dixiecrats.  They just want to keep blacks in their place, like all good White Supremacists.  Yeah, the KKK use dot be Democrat.  Now it's very solidly Republican.
Yeah, we want to keep blacks in their place.  Of course, to us, that means in productive jobs earning a living.  Unlike Democrats that want to keep them in their place, which means dependent on Democrats for hand outs.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 16, 2020, 11:59:58 AM
but the self-proclaimed expert on viruses is real good with delusional

 ::)
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 16, 2020, 12:05:23 PM
Yeah, those Opportunity Zones and 10 year funding guarantees to Black Colleges are really holding the blacks down.  All of these folks that are part of the "Blexit Movement" really enjoying being kept on the plantation. Latest is Ice Cube, he has his plan for black America and contacted both campaigns. Biden said we can't be bothered with you until after the election, Trump said let's talk and has included some of the points in his platform.

Michael, you don't read much.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Lucifer on October 16, 2020, 12:27:50 PM
So you guys are going to tell me that the GOP isn't solidly in charge in the south?  You guys are going to tell me that the GOP isn't rife with white supremacists?  Goold luck with that.  Talk about delusional.

 So educate us, please.

 Can you please cite the sources of your information?   I would like to read it for myself.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Username on October 16, 2020, 01:01:02 PM
I got curious so I looked it up.  62,984,828 people voted for Trump in 2016.  There are about 200,000 people who subscribe to white nationalist publications.  (Citations on request.)  Let's double that to 400,000 to catch everyone who is a secret white nationalist.

That so that means  0.6% of all Republicans are white nationalists if the above assumption is correct.  Hardly "rife". I'd give you a 2 / 10 on the Troll meter.

However, I WILL say that the democrat party is RIFE with idiots.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: bflynn on October 16, 2020, 01:02:23 PM
Yeah, the KKK use dot be Democrat.  Now it's very solidly Republican.

Fake equivalence.  There are less than 3000 Klan members now and fewer than 30 groups.  To say that represent anyone is a misnomer.

If we examine the record, Democrats perform very poorly on race relations.  Just a few examples and there are more

 - Increasing intolerance for the war on drugs has criminalized recent cheap drugs more harshly, adversely affecting the AA community.  This has been both sides, but most recently Bill Clinton.

 - promotion of Black Culture has continued isolation of blacks in the business community.  Ebonics may be a legitimate cultural dialect, but it isn't one you're going to find in 99.99% of the boardrooms.  In NC, "Down East" is also a dialect, but it's also virtually impossible to understand.

 - Continued promotion of welfare disproportionally affects the AA community.  I have been taught that pride in caring for a family is a common aspiration of everyone and the most noble thing you can do for someone is not to give them money, but to give them a job.  Yet, we continue to hand out trillions of dollars every year and Democrats want to just keep racking up more.  This isn't helping, it's just making the problem worse.  Everyone has value and everyone can do something of value.  Welfare needs tough love to move people to work, not to exist in a perpetual state of dependence.

Abortion - Margaret Sanger's plan is working.  In 1800, blacks made up nearly 20% of the population.  Today it's 12% exactly because abortion has killed so many.  It should 18%.

These are all Democrat promoted things
 
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Number7 on October 16, 2020, 01:05:12 PM
So you guys are going to tell me that the GOP isn't solidly in charge in the south?  You guys are going to tell me that the GOP isn't rife with white supremacists?  Goold luck with that.  Talk about delusional.

Have you missed the news over the... say... last 200 years?

The democrat party has been solely the party of the KKK, Slavery, Jim Crow Laws, Voter Suppression, the KKK (who marched in honor into the democrat nominating convention at Madison Square Garden in 1932), lynchings, cross burnings, antifia (the modern KKK), black lives matter (racism and violence personified), KKK, robert byrd, the fake attemtp to kidnap the cunt governor and so many more....

You are so full of shit your breath stinks.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Username on October 17, 2020, 08:11:36 AM
We've been getting a lot of election mailers lately.  Mostly they say to send in our absentee ballot.  It would seem that somehow someone got hold of the list of people who requested absentee ballots.

But the most interesting piece of election trash was one from the democrat party.  Large mailer with a huge picture of Obama.  The front was lots of democrat talking points.  Way down at the bottom in tiny print was a Biden/Harris logo.  Looks like Obama is running again.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Rush on October 17, 2020, 08:19:09 AM
Michael is right in that the conservative Democrats in the South did switch to Republican, but he is wrong that the southern GOP is “rife” with KKK and white supremacists. As the book “American Extremists” points out, actual KKK and white supremacist groups are an extremely tiny proportion and besides, a large number of them are FBI plants!

If you’re going to talk about that, let’s talk about the proportion of Democrats that are members of Antifa and currently rioting and destroying black businesses. Can we say the Democrat party is “rife” with violent extremists?

And remember, blacks were historically Republican, so you can hardly say whites moved to the party of blacks because they were racist. In fact they were moving away from the party of the KKK (the Democrats). Most whites in the South wanted blacks to improve socioeconomically, because why the hell would you want to live around a large disadvantaged population?  But the media (based in the North and east and west coasts) relentlessly maligned and continues to malign the South with lies and misrepresentations.

The reason whites switched from Dem to Rep can’t be stated better than Jesse Helms did in his autobiography. He was raised Democrat but switched to Republican at age 50 when he realized the Republican Party was more aligned with his values of limited government. He is bashed for being against MLK holiday or the civil rights movement but when you knew him and knew his reasons, it was not because he was racist, but because he disapproved of MLK’s ties to certain unsavory characters and he thought the supporters of the holiday had ulterior motives, and he was against mandatory desegregation which he called “forced social engineering” which he thought might do more harm than good. Personally I think he was wrong to oppose it but he was correct in one respect; desegregation was one of the major causes of the creation of inner city black slums. I remember a conversation with one of his black supporters, I think it was at his funeral. She said his policies supporting private enterprise and improving the economy were best for black people. Being racist was not the reason he switched to GOP it was exactly those economic ideals.

It’s time to stop this stereotype of Southerners being all white supremacists. It’s just a lie from the left with their drive for ultimate totalitarian power.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: TimRB on October 17, 2020, 10:11:35 AM
desegregation was one of the major causes of the creation of inner city black slums.

I don't understand the connection.  Could you please elaborate?

Tim
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Rush on October 17, 2020, 11:25:40 AM
I don't understand the connection.  Could you please elaborate?

Tim

Prior to desegregation black city neighborhoods included those with higher IQs and greater skill sets and who were strong spiritual leaders and professionals such as doctors, preachers and small business owners. Those of greater ability and authority acted as positive role models for others and also provided strong moral guidance. They were the community’s financial and moral anchors. With desegregation, they began moving out into neighborhoods previously closed to them, because they had the means to do so. This removed the most positive and uplifting influences and left behind the “lesser” if you will, who did not have the means to get out, and then when factories closed and other jobs vanished, left a population with little options for survival, hence government welfare, eliminating the need for a father in the home, the disintegration of families, fatherless males and then drug laws leading to drug selling as the only means to survive, gangs, incarceration, police brutality, and the rioting we have today.

Desegregation was not the only cause but it was one link in a chain.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 17, 2020, 01:12:26 PM
Prior to desegregation black city neighborhoods included those with higher IQs and greater skill sets and who were strong spiritual leaders and professionals such as doctors, preachers and small business owners. Those of greater ability and authority acted as positive role models for others and also provided strong moral guidance. They were the community’s financial and moral anchors. With desegregation, they began moving out into neighborhoods previously closed to them, because they had the means to do so. This removed the most positive and uplifting influences and left behind the “lesser” if you will, who did not have the means to get out, and then when factories closed and other jobs vanished, left a population with little options for survival, hence government welfare, eliminating the need for a father in the home, the disintegration of families, fatherless males and then drug laws leading to drug selling as the only means to survive, gangs, incarceration, police brutality, and the rioting we have today.

Desegregation was not the only cause but it was one link in a chain.

As I understand it, there are at least two classes of things that desegregation refers to: school choice and housing choice. Forced busing of students to outside district schools is one example addressing the first, and laws and judicial decisions against neighborhood redlining is an example of the latter. Plessy v. Ferguson set the stage for governments to redline - and to date that decision has not been directly overruled. (Just FYI, the railroads were supportive of Plessy and against the government’s laws - see https://reason.com/2018/05/18/dont-blame-the-railroad-for-plessy-v-fer/ (https://reason.com/2018/05/18/dont-blame-the-railroad-for-plessy-v-fer/))

Anyway, while your argument sounds plausible, equally plausible is that first it was businesses and industries that abandoned city centers due to economic pressures. Those areas had a larger fraction of minorities, so the minority residents lost out economically. No causal connection to “black flight” need be invoked. I’m not aware of any evidence that shows, say, a temporal relation where one precedes the other that would support a causal relation.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Steingar on October 20, 2020, 12:12:06 PM
Hmm, I can see where what I wrote could easily be misinterpreted. I didn't mean at all that sizable numbers of GOP members are white supremacists of one stripe or another and apologize profusely if what I wrote implied that in any way.  The vast majority of Republicans are good people with whom I disagree.  I suspect huge numbers of them have to hold their noses to vote for Trump.

What I meant, which I said in the most inarticulate way possible, is the members of the KKK and other various and sordid white supremacists are all very solidly Republican.  I don't think the Democratic Party attracts those folks.  I think the vast majority of the Q anon followers are also Republican.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Lucifer on October 20, 2020, 12:21:20 PM
What I meant, which I said in the most inarticulate way possible, is the members of the KKK and other various and sordid white supremacists are all very solidly Republican.  I don't think the Democratic Party attracts those folks.  I think the vast majority of the Q anon followers are also Republican.

 So profoundly ignorant.

 You've never cracked open a history book, and you are totally clueless as to the Klan (all 3 generations of it).   

 So what ideology of the Klan and White Supremacist align with conservative ideology?
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Little Joe on October 20, 2020, 12:28:52 PM
Hmm, I can see where what I wrote could easily be misinterpreted. I didn't mean at all that sizable numbers of GOP members are white supremacists of one stripe or another and apologize profusely if what I wrote implied that in any way.  The vast majority of Republicans are good people with whom I disagree.  I suspect huge numbers of them have to hold their noses to vote for Trump.

What I meant, which I said in the most inarticulate way possible, is the members of the KKK and other various and sordid white supremacists are all very solidly Republican.  I don't think the Democratic Party attracts those folks.  I think the vast majority of the Q anon followers are also Republican.
Methinks you read the MSM too much and form your opinions thusly.  Have you ever known anyone in the KKK?  I know I haven't, and if I did I wouldn't associate with them. 

And I was giddy when I voted for Trump. (Of course though, that's not what I told my wife).  No, I don't like Trump, but I'm really happy he is our President and I sure as hell hope he gets 4 more years.  Then he can turn it over to Nikki/Kristi.  After that, I'll be ready to die happpy.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Username on October 20, 2020, 12:42:56 PM
What I meant, which I said in the most inarticulate way possible, is the members of the KKK and other various and sordid white supremacists are all very solidly Republican.  I don't think the Democratic Party attracts those folks.  I think the vast majority of the Q anon followers are also Republican.
And most pedophiles are Democrat.  What's your point?

But thank you for your correction.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: nddons on October 20, 2020, 12:45:54 PM
And most pedophiles are Democrat.  What's your point?

But thank you for your correction.
And mass murderers.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 20, 2020, 02:44:26 PM
So, Mikey is saying Robert Byrd was a Republican?   :o
Title: Welp I voted
Post by: nddons on October 20, 2020, 03:20:48 PM
So, Mikey is saying Robert Byrd was a Republican?   :o
No, you don’t understand.  The KKK robe-wearing Democrat’s were violent racists until late in 1964, AFTER the Civil Rights Act was passed. The CRA was filibustered for 54 days by 18 democrat senators and one Republican Senator.

Then, a few days later, Democrat and Republican senators actually met in the closed cloak room and switched jerseys, and re-emerged in the party opposite from the ones that they were.

And that’s how the KKK was Republican, courtesy of the pitiful state of public education.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: bflynn on October 20, 2020, 07:01:43 PM
What I meant, which I said in the most inarticulate way possible, is the members of the KKK and other various and sordid white supremacists are all very solidly Republican.  I don't think the Democratic Party attracts those folks.  I think the vast majority of the Q anon followers are also Republican.

Can you prove that?  There are fewer than 3000 member of the Klan alive today.  Voter rolls are public data. It should be trivial to look them up, right? 

Oh, but you say you don’t know who they are?  Then how do you think you know their party? 

Your premise just failed peer review.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Rush on October 21, 2020, 12:45:32 AM
Can you prove that?  There are fewer than 3000 member of the Klan alive today.  Voter rolls are public data. It should be trivial to look them up, right? 

Oh, but you say you don’t know who they are?  Then how do you think you know their party? 

Your premise just failed peer review.

It’s because mainstream media has repeated the lie that conservatives are racist for so long that of course he believes that. On the other hand, we now know that all whites are racist by definition so logically you would expect KKK membership to be allocated between white liberals and white conservatives in proportion to the population. For that matter there should also be black KKK members too because if you are a black conservative you’re racist.

So which is it? Are all whites racist? Or are only conservatives racist? These claims from the left are logically inconsistent.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Little Joe on October 21, 2020, 04:47:37 AM
It’s because mainstream media has repeated the lie that conservatives are racist for so long that of course he believes that. On the other hand, we now know that all whites are racist by definition so logically you would expect KKK membership to be allocated between white liberals and white conservatives in proportion to the population. For that matter there should also be black KKK members too because if you are a black conservative you’re racist.

So which is it? Are all whites racist? Or are only conservatives racist? These claims from the left are logically inconsistent.
You are wrong about black conservatives.  It's not that they are racist because they are conservative.  It is because they ain't black, or at least black enough for liberals.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Rush on October 21, 2020, 05:13:48 AM
You are wrong about black conservatives.  It's not that they are racist because they are conservative.  It is because they ain't black, or at least black enough for liberals.

Biden: “If you don’t vote for me you ain’t black.”  I see your point.
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: Anthony on October 23, 2020, 04:45:51 AM
Biden: “If you don’t vote for me you ain’t black.”  I see your point.

To the MEDIA and Democrats, you can't be Racist if you are one of the protected classes.  Blacks, LGBT, Illegals, Lib Women, Muslims, etc.  If you are White and aren't actively and very vocally "Woke" you are Racist.  No you can't help it and there is no cure but constant self flagellation and self loathing. 
Title: Re: Welp I voted
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 23, 2020, 05:32:45 AM
To the MEDIA and Democrats, you can't be Racist if you are one of the protected classes.  Blacks, LGBT, Illegals, Lib Women, Muslims, etc.  If you are White and aren't actively and very vocally "Woke" you are Racist.  No you can't help it and there is no cure but constant self flagellation and self loathing.

Actually, it's "If you are White and aren't actively and very vocally 'Woke' you are Racist."