PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on November 02, 2020, 10:33:20 AM
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Trump 330
Biden 208
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Trump 330
Biden 208
and then...after all the lawsuits and ballots "discovered"....
Trump 268
biden 270
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Not as positive as you
Trump 294
Biden 237
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Not that I like it, but I’ll go with a preliminary guess using the current predictit.org estimate:
Biden 290
Trump 248
And the Senate:
Dems 51
Reps 49
Hope one or both predictions are wrong. I’ll post a final guess tomorrow before all the polls close.
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Trump 326
Biden 212
At least right now
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(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/states-poll-trump-312.jpg)
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hopefully people voting for President Trump don't look at that and decide not to bother...
And hopefully the liberals don't decide to vote even more often...
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hopefully people voting for President Trump don't look at that and decide not to bother...
And hopefully the liberals don't decide to vote even more often...
Based on the hot enthusiasm for Trump of his supporters and the room temperature at best enthusiasm for Biden, I have a feeling Trump voters will stop at nothing to get their vote in. They understand what’s riding on this. On the other hand it may well cause potential Biden voters to give up and decide it’s not worth the trip to the polls.
Or is the hatred of Trump so great they will stop at nothing to vote against Trump?
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Based on the hot enthusiasm for Trump of his supporters and the room temperature at best enthusiasm for Biden, I have a feeling Trump voters will stop at nothing to get their vote in. They understand what’s riding on this. On the other hand it may well cause potential Biden voters to give up and decide it’s not worth the trip to the polls.
Or is the hatred of Trump so great they will stop at nothing to vote against Trump?
Voter enthusiasm plays a big role. Remember Michael Dukakis? Of course you don't.
He ran for president against GHWB, and given 8 years of Ronald Reagan the trend should have ushered in a democrat. They picked Dukakis who had the personalty....actually had no personality, and thus no voter enthusiasm.
Remember Walter Mondale? He was VP under Carter, and ran against Reagan in '84. Nothing exciting, couldn't garner any enthusiasm. And Reagan was hated, coming in second to "Orange Man Bad!" The dims hated Reagan with a passion, and believed their hatred towards him would be enough to put Mondale in the WH.
Reagan won with 525 Electoral votes to Mondale's 13.
So yes, voter enthusiasm is everything.
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I wonder how much the constant "vote vote vote" messages all over TV will play into this.....
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I wonder how much the constant "vote vote vote" messages all over TV will play into this.....
For Trump? Exceptionally well.
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Reagan won with 525 Electoral votes to Mondale's 13.
That can never happen again.
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Voter enthusiasm plays a big role. Remember Michael Dukakis? Of course you don't.
He ran for president against GHWB, and given 8 years of Ronald Reagan the trend should have ushered in a democrat. They picked Dukakis who had the personalty....actually had no personality, and thus no voter enthusiasm.
Remember Walter Mondale? He was VP under Carter, and ran against Reagan in '84. Nothing exciting, couldn't garner any enthusiasm. And Reagan was hated, coming in second to "Orange Man Bad!" The dims hated Reagan with a passion, and believed their hatred towards him would be enough to put Mondale in the WH.
Reagan won with 525 Electoral votes to Mondale's 13.
So yes, voter enthusiasm is everything.
Months of riots, a global scamdemic, media’s blatant advocacy and censorship, and an unprecedented level of vitriol and hatred for our President makes it a different election altogether.
That being said, your historical summary is correct, and I think voter enthusiasm for Trump will carry the day tomorrow.
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That can never happen again.
Agreed. But it was glorious to watch. ;)
GHWB won 426 to Dukakis 111. Another glorious shellakin'.
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Not that I like it, but I’ll go with a preliminary guess using the current predictit.org estimate:
Biden 290
Trump 248
Five hours later predictit.org has:
Biden 279
Trump 259
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Five hours later predictit.org has:
Biden 279
Trump 259
Yep, just like 538 kept revising their numbers on election day and night. ::)
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Yep, just like 538 kept revising their numbers on election day and night. ::)
Except predictit.org numbers are established by people betting money and the betting probably wont end till the result is established per predictit.org’s ground rules for that market.
538 does its estimation using a conglomeration of other polls using their own selection criteria and weightings. The weightings are obviously subject to bias.
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Five hours later predictit.org has:
Biden 279
Trump 259
I can’t navigate that site for some reason. Can you link me to that?
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I can’t navigate that site for some reason. Can you link me to that?
The electoral college prediction is on the front page:
https://www.predictit.org/ (https://www.predictit.org/)
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The electoral college prediction is on the front page:
https://www.predictit.org/ (https://www.predictit.org/)
How the hell did I miss that!?!?!? :-[ Thanks.
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My prediction tomorrow?
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I can’t sleep. I’m all keyed up.
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Haven't calculated an exact total for a guess but I don't see trump winning. He's got too many close states that he can't afford to lose. I would guess anything from a narrow loss to getting hammered. Voting is up which is never good for republicans, his approval rating is below anyone whos ever won.
Trump loses senate flips would be my guess.
I will be gloriously entertained if the trumpkin pulls it off, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see a blowout.
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I can’t sleep. I’m all keyed up.
Maybe it’s the coffee you’re drinking?
;)
When there is nothing you can do about a situation it’s a good time to get some rest. A lesson I remember from my surrogate father, RAH:
It wasn't fair!
When Rod heard himself think that ancient and useless protest he had a sudden vision of the Deacon's kindly, cynical smile. He heard his dry drawl: Fair? You expected this to be fair, son? This is not a game. I tried to tell you that you were a city boy, too soft and stupid for this. You would not listen.
He felt a gust of anger at his instructor; it drove fear out of his mind. Jimmy was right; the Deacon would eat his own grandmother! A cold, heartless fish!
All right, what would the Deacon do?
Again he heard his teacher's voice inside his head, an answer Matson had once given to a question put by another classmate: "There wasn't anything I could do, so I took a nap."
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I think the reality is that to win, Trump must carry Pennsylvania or Michigan and at least something else, like Arizona. But the problem is, he is way behind in both state polls. Yes, polls are not votes and they can be inaccurate, but they're not going to be that inaccurate. The president is 7 points down in Pennsylvania and 9 points down in Michigan. The president is more likely to take Nevada and Arizona before Pennsylvania. The simple truth is, he's been a jackass too often and too many people don't like him because of that.
The last Republican hope is that the surge in voter turnout is the silent republican support. Certainly there is silent support, but is it 10% more than the pollsters predict? That's unlikely.
My prediction is Biden by 10, 274 to 264, but don't count on knowing tonight. Biden might get as much as 291 to 247, but that might be a stretch.
I will also throw out a 1% chance of a massive Trump landslide if he somehow wins the popular vote and the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact kicks in (and the Democrat states abide by their agreement).
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I can’t sleep. I’m all keyed up.
Gird you’re loins! It’s going to be a looooong day.
My wife just left to help the local GOP by being a “Briggadier.” Standing on a bridge over the interstate manning a Trump sign.
“Thank you Nick, Paula, Tarianne and Kathy for volunteering for Tuesday morning November 3rd 6:30 AM - 9:00 AM Briggadiers. Please give me a call and I will get the signs, cones and vests to you. Also, I can share some hints on what to expect.
Eastbound Xxxxxx Rd & I94 https://www.google.com/
Tuesday morning November 3rd 6:30 AM - 9:00 AM.
Each team will have:
1. Two (2) safety vest.
2. Three (3) orange cones.
3. One (1) Trump/Pence 4x8 sign.
4. Couple yard signs.
5. Five (5) 1/2” wide cable ties. (I will install three (3) 1/2” #4 grommets across the sign top)
6. Twenty (20) feet of nylon line.
Each team will be asked to park legally, take a cable tie cutter and reminded to dress warmly.”
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We may not know for weeks who won. Also, if it goes to the courts it could be longer. Mail in voting is going to cause all kinds of problems. If you though "hanging chad" was bad, you ain't seen nothin.
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Maybe it’s the coffee you’re drinking?
;)
When there is nothing you can do about a situation it’s a good time to get some rest. A lesson I remember from my surrogate father, RAH:
The coffee, that’s it, I don’t know what else it could be.
You’re going to have to tell me, who is RAH and what’s the quote from?
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Haven't calculated an exact total for a guess but I don't see trump winning. He's got too many close states that he can't afford to lose. I would guess anything from a narrow loss to getting hammered. Voting is up which is never good for republicans, his approval rating is below anyone whos ever won.
Trump loses senate flips would be my guess.
I will be gloriously entertained if the trumpkin pulls it off, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit to see a blowout.
I think the reality is that to win, Trump must carry Pennsylvania or Michigan and at least something else, like Arizona. But the problem is, he is way behind in both state polls. Yes, polls are not votes and they can be inaccurate, but they're not going to be that inaccurate. The president is 7 points down in Pennsylvania and 9 points down in Michigan. The president is more likely to take Nevada and Arizona before Pennsylvania. The simple truth is, he's been a jackass too often and too many people don't like him because of that.
The last Republican hope is that the surge in voter turnout is the silent republican support. Certainly there is silent support, but is it 10% more than the pollsters predict? That's unlikely.
My prediction is Biden by 10, 274 to 264, but don't count on knowing tonight. Biden might get as much as 291 to 247, but that might be a stretch.
I will also throw out a 1% chance of a massive Trump landslide if he somehow wins the popular vote and the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact kicks in (and the Democrat states abide by their agreement).
What you two aren’t taking into account is the black vote, especially among black males, who don’t give a crap that he acts like a jackass. Black males must not need to be verbally coddled, like white male liberal metrosexuals, or maybe they have suffered more hardships due to a bad economy and correctly prioritize actions over personality in a leader. Or maybe they respect strength and think Trump can protect the country better than Biden. I heard one of them say, “I’m not looking for a father in Trump, I don’t care about his ‘character’, I care that he is doing things for the black community that the Democrats never did.”
I don’t think this trend is reflected in the polls because many blacks are way more silent about their switch than even the white “shy Trump supporter” due to the extreme crap they get from their peers. But there are plenty of clues. For example, Candace Owen said that she has had many black celebrities contact her and tell her they’re for Trump but not to tell anyone because they’d get “cancelled”, and the blacks on the ground among ordinary people talk about the growing Blexit.
It’s a certainty that Trump will get way more black votes than he did in 2016 when he got 8%. If he only gets 15% that could push him over, but it’s looking like he could get way more than that. The rioting will play a big part in this. The last time we had race riots the black vote increased to 16% for Nixon on the “law and order” platform. Unlike what the left and the media want you to believe, most blacks aren’t for all the riots and violence. It hurts them the most, disrupts their lives, damages their businesses. Historically, rioting results in a shift toward conservatism.
The majority of blacks hold basically conservative values: family, education, religion, work ethic, and that the Democrat party is moving away from those values is finally getting through to them despite media propaganda. The internet isn’t censored enough yet to keep blacks from figuring all this out and they no longer get all their info from CNN on their TV. The other important thing to keep in mind is Trump is an outsider. His brash “unpresidential” demeanor actually helps highlight that fact. Blacks and whites are fed up with the political elite, of both parties. I doubt a traditional Republican could have pulled off switching the black vote. Blacks aren’t voting for Trump because he’s a Republican, they are voting for him because of what he is doing despite being a Republican, and because they are finally becoming disillusioned with Democrat empty promises.
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The coffee, that’s it, I don’t know what else it could be.
You’re going to have to tell me, who is RAH and what’s the quote from?
rec.aviation.homebuilt?
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The coffee, that’s it, I don’t know what else it could be.
You’re going to have to tell me, who is RAH and what’s the quote from?
RAH: Robert A. Heinlein
Quote is from his book “Tunnel in the Sky”
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RAH: Robert A. Heinlein
Quote is from his book “Tunnel in the Sky”
I own that book! I read it again just a few years ago!
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Five hours later predictit.org has:
Biden 279
Trump 259
It keeps flip flopping between 248 and 259 for Trump. I can’t figure out where they’re getting those numbers. I can’t find a market for it or a graph of how it’s moved over time like the other markets.
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It keeps flip flopping between 248 and 259 for Trump. I can’t figure out where they’re getting those numbers. I can’t find a market for it or a graph of how it’s moved over time like the other markets.
All I could find is this (scroll down for trend graphs):
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3698/Who-will-win-the-2020-US-presidential-election (https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3698/Who-will-win-the-2020-US-presidential-election)
The problem I see with predictit is the gamblers there are limited in their wager sizes (so not as invested as you might think) and many are likely simply reflecting what they see in polls.
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It keeps flip flopping between 248 and 259 for Trump. I can’t figure out where they’re getting those numbers. I can’t find a market for it or a graph of how it’s moved over time like the other markets.
Rush, here’s a good site where you can come up with your own map. It has a starting point with several options. Then you can change colors and ultimately turn some of the brown “toss up” states one color or the other.
My last scenario had Trump 289-249.
https://www.270towin.com
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All I could find is this (scroll down for trend graphs):
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3698/Who-will-win-the-2020-US-presidential-election (https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3698/Who-will-win-the-2020-US-presidential-election)
The problem I see with predictit is the gamblers there are limited in their wager sizes (so not as invested as you might think) and many are likely simply reflecting what they see in polls.
Yes that is exactly what I think.
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It keeps flip flopping between 248 and 259 for Trump. I can’t figure out where they’re getting those numbers. I can’t find a market for it or a graph of how it’s moved over time like the other markets.
They're basing it off polls. Arizona is the bubble state in the polls right now, so as it goes blue to red, there's an 11 EV change.
There have to be some very tense pollsters right now. They have no idea if they were any good or not.
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They're basing it off polls. Arizona is the bubble state in the polls right now, so as it goes blue to red, there's an 11 EV change.
There have to be some very tense pollsters right now. They have no idea if they were any good or not.
Yet just like the meteorologists, they get to keep their jobs even if they are materially off.
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BTW, black vote is predicted to go 45% for Trump, which is amazing until you consider that every time 100 black people vote, the president gets 10 votes behind.
Was working off bad numbers. PA is 4% in favor of Biden.
Nobody knows what the hidden Trump vote is. Is it 2% or 7%?
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Fox called VA blue. Was that too early?
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Fox called VA blue. Was that too early?
Yep, VA is in play.
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I’m troubled by the failure to call Florida, and wtf is going on in Texas? Rush, help me out.
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Yep, VA is in play.
Fox just doubled down on calling VA for Biden.
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I’m troubled by the failure to call Florida, and wtf is going on in Texas? Rush, help me out.
The failure to call Florida is simply they cannot believe that Trump has won by a huge number, and the indictment that the hispanic vote abandoned the plantation.
Texas is now getting the rural (Heavy Red) counties reporting in, and it's flipping. The dem strong holds (Dallas, Houston, San Antonio/Austin) reported first, making it look like it was blue. Texas will be red.
Virginia is going red. Again, they are fleeing the plantation.
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And fuck FoxNews.
I'm watching OAN. Not as flashy, but solid.
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Trump will win with 317 tonight.
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(https://media.tenor.com/images/a99609c30e11405408b90bbc72c2ddb2/tenor.gif)
https://twitter.com/Birdyword/status/1323818411416145928
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Has anyone checked on Nate Silver? Should we put him on suicide watch??
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Oh, and Frank Luntz..........GO FUCK YOURSELF!
I feel better now.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pollster-frank-luntz-if-trump-defies-polls-again-in-2020-my-profession-is-done
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I’m troubled by the failure to call Florida, and wtf is going on in Texas? Rush, help me out.
Oh Texas will definitely be red.
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Headed to bed, don't let me down folks. I want to hear Trump relected and we hold the Senate when I awake.
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Why are they calling Virginia for Biden when Trump has more votes?
On here:
https://www.270towin.com/2020-election-results-live/state/virginia
And they did the same on Fox News.
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Why are they calling Virginia for Biden when Trump has more votes?
On here:
https://www.270towin.com/2020-election-results-live/state/virginia
And they did the same on Fox News.
Disbelief.
Texas is out of reach for Biden now, yet they won't call it either.
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Disbelief.
Texas is out of reach for Biden now, yet they won't call it either.
They called Ohio for Trump, good.
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They are calling Arizona for Biden. Not good.
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They are calling Arizona for Biden. Not good.
That's another bad call. Arizona counted the mail in ballots first, then went to the walk in ballots. There's a (small) chance AZ might flip red.
But even with AZ, Biden still can't win.
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They are calling Arizona for Biden. Not good.
Around 53 to 49 with three quarters of the votes in said Fox but this
https://www.270towin.com/2020-election-results-live/
Says Arizona is 55 to 45 Trump. What am I missing?
Since I’m not drinking or doing drugs I’m afraid I’m going to have to eat some carbs.
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Don't get wrapped up about AZ.
Right now Biden has no path to 270, even picking up AZ.
All of the people fleeing California have moved into Arizona and it's now blue.
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270towin finally called Texas. So has Fox. Looks like Trump has PA too now.
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270towin finally called Texas. So has Fox. Looks like Trump has PA too now.
PA. MI and WI won't be called until tomorrow, but it's evident which column they will go into.
I keep running the numbers, and Biden has no path to 270.
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FoxNews just retracted their call for AZ to Biden.
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FoxNews just retracted their call for AZ to Biden.
Based on what?
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FoxNews just retracted their call for AZ to Biden.
What? I just was watching I didn’t see that. I saw her explain why Biden “won” but I’m deaf did I miss something?
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Based on what?
From what I see, AZ posted the mail in votes first. Now they are counting the walk in votes (which typically favor republicans).
Keep an eye on it.
Update: FoxNews just flipped again, and put AZ back to Biden.
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PA. MI and WI won't be called until tomorrow, but it's evident which column they will go into.
I keep running the numbers, and Biden has no path to 270.
Agree if he wins those three. It’s definitely going to come down to a post election cheat fest.
They were saying if your ballot is post marked by this date, it will be accepted if it is received by that that (varies by state).
So... what stops the USPS from purposely delaying mail from rural counties?
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Agree if he wins those three. It’s definitely going to come down to a post election cheat fest.
They were saying if your ballot is post marked by this date, it will be accepted if it is received by that that (varies by state).
So... what stops the USPS from purposely delaying mail from rural counties?
Numbers are huge in PA and MI. Gonna take a whole lot of cheating to over come.
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Biden speaking, saying he's on track to win. (right)
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Numbers are huge in PA and MI. Gonna take a whole lot of cheating to over come.
Doesn't PA have 3 more days to forge 600,000+ mail in ballots for Biden?
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Doesn't PA have 3 more days to forge 600,000+ mail in ballots for Biden?
I don't see it. PA does have strict mail in balloting laws, which the dims tried to get rid of, but didn't.
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I don't see it. PA does have strict mail in balloting laws, which the dims tried to get rid of, but didn't.
Good. All my left friends on social media are silent. Wonder if they are preparing to riot or curled up the the fetal position due to a mental breakdown.
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Numbers are huge in PA and MI. Gonna take a whole lot of cheating to over come.
So we lose AZ to the Cali refugees and regain the rust belt. Texas is under threat too and so is NC from the NYC escapees. What is wrong with those idiots that they didn’t learn and now they’re ruining their new home states.
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Biden is delusional. He thinks GA will flip to him (He's down 300,000 with one county left to count).
He also thinks MI and PA will flip to him (He's down 250,000 in MI with heavy red counties still counting, and he's down 650,000 in PA).
Also, Team Trump is planning on taking PA back to court over the decision to continue counting after the election. And this time there is a new justice on the court, so Roberts can't be the spoiler.
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Right now, without PA Trump still has 272. Even if Biden picks up PA he only comes in at 262.
AZ is also saying there are 900,000 more votes to count, and those votes favor republicans.
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Well this is nothing like 2016 as an experience. Despite my anxiety I knew Trump would win if for no other reason because he said he would, and he has been keeping promises for 4 years.
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Oh, and Frank Luntz..........GO FUCK YOURSELF!
I feel better now.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pollster-frank-luntz-if-trump-defies-polls-again-in-2020-my-profession-is-done
Tucker had a couple cameos on the Fox Panel tonight. He shit on the media, and on the pollsters. He implied he will be naming names in the near future.
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The dims will move to “throw everything against the wall and hope something sticks” next.
AZ and NV are in play. But, as I contend, Biden has no path to 270.
It’s over except for the tantrums.
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Tucker had a couple cameos on the Fox Panel tonight. He shit on the media, and on the pollsters. He implied he will be naming names in the near future.
Go Tucker!
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Is VA definitely lost?
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Is VA definitely lost?
From what I see, yes.
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Gov Whitmer delivered MI to Trump and got James elected to the senate.
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Predictit.org finally flipped to Trump but it’s hard to get on to the site. I should have put my money in there.
They are saying 294 to 244.
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Trump up over 700,000 in PA.
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James Carvel will have his picture on a milk carton tomorrow.....
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Fox just gave MN to Biden.
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Fox just gave MN to Biden.
No surprise there. MN is a lost cause like CA.
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Biden is delusional. He thinks GA will flip to him (He's down 300,000 with one county left to count).
He also thinks MI and PA will flip to him (He's down 250,000 in MI with heavy red counties still counting, and he's down 650,000 in PA).
Also, Team Trump is planning on taking PA back to court over the decision to continue counting after the election. And this time there is a new justice on the court, so Roberts can't be the spoiler.
Some places are reporting GA suspended counting ballots due to a water main break. How convenient.
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Good summary, about Fox, an hour old.
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Situation this morning
Trump up in
Georgia by 100,000
Michigan by 225,000
North Carolina by 75,000
Pennsylvania by about 700,000
Wisconsin by 100,000
Right now the EV margin looks like 23, so he could lose one of those and still win. If he loses 2, it's to Biden.
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Situation this morning
Trump up in
Georgia by 100,000
Michigan by 225,000
North Carolina by 75,000
Pennsylvania by about 700,000
Wisconsin by 100,000
Right now the EV margin looks like 23, so he could lose one of those and still win. If he loses 2, it's to Biden.
He should be okay unless they cheat.
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He should be okay unless they cheat.
They are cheating. Trump warned us about this. WuFlu gave the green light to millions of mail-in votes, super easy to prepare ahead of time.
Watch the “new” votes go 30 to 1 Biden.
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We have learned that the pollsters have no clue.
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This guy good as always.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JZ3Y-tYJLw&feature=youtu.be
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We have learned that the pollsters have no clue.
We knew that already. What we’re seeing now is blatant collusion between the media, Dem governors and shadow players to disrupt and steal an election.
And if they do drag Biden across the line, he’ll be gone shortly and the rot will be unleashed.
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Based on these numbers reported for the key counties in the swing states, I would say that it is clear that Trump has won the election, despite the best efforts of the media and certain election officials to delay calling it for him. Remember, these were numbers that Biden had to exceed in order to even have a chance to win the state, so his apparent failure to do so in four states indicates that he will not be successful. That being said, I don't think it is an accident that some of these counties are among those that have not yet reported complete counts. These are the Democratic strongholds where some of the most corruption and voter fraud has historically taken place.
As far as the results go, remember that President Trump has everything on the line here. His life, his legacy, his family, and his country. He's already made it clear that he knows this and he's already made it clear that he's going to fight. So remember the rule - always wait two days - and don't despair. No one is tired of winning yet.
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/11/the-key-county-results.html
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Joe says it.
https://streamable.com/0mchft
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I went to bed feeling good last night, but I'm quite nauseous this morning. If Biden does steal the election, I have zero, yes ZERO hope for this country. I know this sounds extreme, but I truly think we all may be fucked.
USA
Born: 7/4/1776
Died: 11/3/2020
Maybe I'll feel better later, maybe I won't.
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Trump over performed last night, something the dims didn't count on. Once again, they believed their own shit.
Had Trump came in with 2016 numbers in the battleground states, a steal would be easy to pull off. That was the game plan. But the "Trump Chumps", the Black and Hispanic vote, and even the gay vote way over performed.
Biden still doesn't have a path to 270.
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I went to bed feeling good last night, but I'm quite nauseous this morning. If Biden does steal the election, I have zero, yes ZERO hope for this country. I know this sounds extreme, but I truly think we all may be fucked.
USA
Born: 7/4/1776
Died: 11/3/2020
Maybe I'll feel better later, maybe I won't.
I totally agree. This is SCARY. it will mean the end of our Republic if the Democrat/Media Alliance steals this election.
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Trump over performed last night, something the dims didn't count on. Once again, they believed their own shit.
Had Trump came in with 2016 numbers in the battleground states, a steal would be easy to pull off. That was the game plan. But the "Trump Chumps", the Black and Hispanic vote, and even the gay vote way over performed.
Biden still doesn't have a path to 270.
Not sure how you’re reaching that conclusion. It looks to me like Biden can win.
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Not sure how you’re reaching that conclusion. It looks to me like Biden can win.
Looks to me like either side can still win also.
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Not sure how you’re reaching that conclusion. It looks to me like Biden can win.
Just running the electoral numbers. Biden has to thread a very narrow needle. The raw numbers in the states such as PA are too large to overcome. WI may be lost. Right now NV is still in play, but I put that in Biden's column.
GA will go to Trump, as will NC. So will MI.
Stay tuned.
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Wisconsin is being actively stolen.
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I went to bed feeling good last night, but I'm quite nauseous this morning. If Biden does steal the election, I have zero, yes ZERO hope for this country. I know this sounds extreme, but I truly think we all may be fucked.
USA
Born: 7/4/1776
Died: 11/3/2020
Maybe I'll feel better later, maybe I won't.
I feel exactly this way. I wake up this morning to this for example:
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/president/
They are projecting a Biden win but look, they have 4 key states, GA, NC, PA and MI leaning red. If all four of these go to Trump, Biden cannot win, Trump will have 283 EV.
So their projection of a Biden win is blatant misrepresentation.
I think this was planned in advance, to deliberately not call these key states and drag out the counting for two purposes, 1) to “find” more votes, and 2) to lull the rioters for now into believing they won. The longer they let the radicals delude themselves that they have righteously won, the more violent the reaction when it ends up being called for Trump.
This is their plan if the cheating recount fails. Destroy the country city by city and whip them up into demanding a physical coup where they go remove Trump forcibly, by falsely convincing them Trump “stole” the election.
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I feel exactly this way. I wake up this morning to this for example:
https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/president/
They are projecting a Biden win but look, they have 4 key states, GA, NC, PA and MI leaning red. If all four of these go to Trump, Biden cannot win, Trump will have 283 EV.
So their projection of a Biden win is blatant misrepresentation.
I think this was planned in advance, to deliberately not call these key states and drag out the counting for two purposes, 1) to “find” more votes, and 2) to lull the rioters for now into believing they won. The longer they let the radicals delude themselves that they have righteously won, the more violent the reaction when it ends up being called for Trump.
This is their plan if the cheating recount fails. Destroy the country city by city and whip them up into demanding a physical coup where they go remove Trump forcibly, by falsely convincing them Trump “stole” the election.
You nailed it.
The dims did not count on Trump over performing as he did. It greatly complicates the steal.
Even with outstanding PA votes, Biden cannot overcome such a huge number unless almost every remaining ballot goes to Biden, which would be so damn obvious of voter fraud.
This part of the game is to delegitimize Trump and "hopefully" force him to concede.
I said many times this was going to be a wild week.
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My favorite restaurant in on Fox News Live. Pancake Place in Green Bay, WI. Everybody needs to go there next time they are there.
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Just running the electoral numbers. Biden has to thread a very narrow needle. The raw numbers in the states such as PA are too large to overcome. WI may be lost. Right now NV is still in play, but I put that in Biden's column.
GA will go to Trump, as will NC. So will MI.
Stay tuned.
How much faith do you have in MI? That is the one that bothers me.
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How much faith do you have in MI? That is the one that bothers me.
Honetsly, none.
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It looks like this is coming down to Michigan and Wisconsin - right now there is a combined difference of 50,000 votes between the two of them.
PA, NC and GA look solid and nowhere near the recount percentage.
If Trump keeps PA, NC and GA, he needs one of MI or WI.
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You nailed it.
The dims did not count on Trump over performing as he did. It greatly complicates the steal.
Even with outstanding PA votes, Biden cannot overcome such a huge number unless almost every remaining ballot goes to Biden, which would be so damn obvious of voter fraud.
This part of the game is to delegitimize Trump and "hopefully" force him to concede.
I said many times this was going to be a wild week.
This is where Trump and his team needs to take off the gloves and fight like hell to prevent that from happening. This is where him being such a scrapper is going to save us. I know he’s got legal teams in place in anticipation of exactly this.
I knew it would be a wild week but I was hoping for an even bigger Electoral landslide and maybe even the popular vote, and I underestimated the pure lying corruption of the media, including traitor Fox. Not only in reporting results but the whole year, suppressing how terrible Biden is and the good stuff Trump has done, while playing up the danger of the wuflu. If not for the virus it might well have been a much larger landslide.
We are up against a solid wall of Dems, media, academia, and even China, all determined to destroy this nation.
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How much faith do you have in MI? That is the one that bothers me.
I think MI will hold. The vote totals may narrow.
Right now the dims are banking on PA, and not so much MI. That's telling.
Keep watching where the dims are concentrating their efforts.
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I think MI will hold. The vote totals may narrow.
Right now the dims are banking on PA, and not so much MI. That's telling.
Keep watching where the dims are concentrating their efforts.
Wolf and Whitmer are Commie Stooges and totally corrupt. This is freaking scary. Lock and load!
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It looks like this is coming down to Michigan and Wisconsin - right now there is a combined difference of 50,000 votes between the two of them.
PA, NC and GA look solid and nowhere near the recount percentage.
If Trump keeps PA, NC and GA, he needs one of MI or WI.
WI is lost they are counting Mail in ballets. More will be Biden then Trump.
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I knew it would be a wild week but I was hoping for an even bigger Electoral landslide and maybe even the popular vote, and I underestimated the pure lying corruption of the media, including traitor Fox. Not only in reporting results but the whole year, suppressing how terrible Biden is and the good stuff Trump has done, while playing up the danger of the wuflu.
Fox is dead to me. Noticie they've been featuring very negative "opinions" by Dem operatives on their website of late.
Then watching live last evening they're calling VA for Biden with only 2% in at about 7PM, but not calling FL for Trump with 98% of the precincts reporting later.
First it was Drudge, then Fox in the tank for the commies.
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Fox is dead to me.
First it was Drudge, then Fox in the tank for the commies.
The change in slant was quite noticeable when Rupert transferred the running of the company to his sons. In a way, who can blame them? There is obviously large money behind the plot to bring down the country and who can blame them for wanting a piece of the action?
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Fox is dead to me. Noticie they've been featuring very negative "opinions" by Dem operatives on their website of late.
Then watching live last evening they're calling VA for Biden with only 2% in at about 7PM, but not calling FL for Trump with 98% of the precincts reporting later.
First it was Drudge, then Fox in the tank for the commies.
Thank the Murdoch Sons. Bot Far Left, Globalist Progressives. These rich elitists only care about their further consolidation of Wealth and Power.
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You beat me by 46 seconds Mr. Pou. ;D
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Fox is dead to me. Noticie they've been featuring very negative "opinions" by Dem operatives on their website of late.
Then watching live last evening they're calling VA for Biden with only 2% in at about 7PM, but not calling FL for Trump with 98% of the precincts reporting later.
First it was Drudge, then Fox in the tank for the commies.
Watch for the Fairness Act to become an item in a Biden/Harris administration. Essentially any outlets that broadcast conservative content will be "hate speech" and subject to controls and fines.
Websites like this will be shut down.
Free speech will go first, then the guns are next.
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Followed by massive wealth redistribution when the get their hands on all of the 401k, Roth, etc., retirement accounts.
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If Biden/Harris and the DNC Globalists (and their backers) pull off this fraud, we will enter the Dark Ages of America.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/voter-fraud-michigan-massive-dump-200000-ballots-biden-sudden-show-overnight/
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/voter-fraud-wisconsin-massive-dump-100000-ballots-biden-sudden-appear-overnight/
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Followed by massive wealth redistribution when the get their hands on all of the 401k, Roth, etc., retirement accounts.
One of the "Biden Plans" is an immediate "one time" tax on everyone's 401K/IRA's. It's estimated the take would net somewhere in the 1 trillion dollar mark. Once they get a taste of that, they'll be back for more.
Remember, if you have a 401K/IRA you are obviously "privileged" and you must be willing to share that privilege with others.
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It looks like the Senate will be 51 or 52 Republican. The Georgia special election will go to a runoff, but there were more votes for Republicans than Democrats. Regardless, even if the runoff is a loss, that leaves it 51-49.
The difference in Michigan is 9000 right now.
The House is screwed up still.
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One of the "Biden Plans" is an immediate "one time" tax on everyone's 401K/IRA's. It's estimated the take would net somewhere in the 1 trillion dollar mark. Once they get a taste of that, they'll be back for more.
Remember, if you have a 401K/IRA you are obviously "privileged" and you must be willing to share that privilege with others.
It would be ridiculous for them to be able to arbitrarily seize private assets. If only there was a Supreme Court that was based in Originalism.
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It looks like the Senate will be 51 or 52 Republican. The Georgia special election will go to a runoff, but there were more votes for Republicans than Democrats. Regardless, even if the runoff is a loss, that leaves it 51-49.
The difference in Michigan is 9000 right now.
The House is screwed up still.
This is huge. Even if they somehow steal the White House, with a 6-3 SCOTUS advantage and keeping the Senate we might be able to make it until the mid-terms without them passing anything too radical.
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Mail in ballots need to be counted and recorded as soon as they come in, but don't release the results until all polls close. All counting places need to be open to the public to watch the counting, whether in person or broadcast online.
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This is huge. Even if they somehow steal the White House, with a 6-3 SCOTUS advantage and keeping the Senate we might be able to make it until the mid-terms without them passing anything too radical.
True, but again the narrow margin and the RINO's in the Senate make that a Wild Card. And the Jokers like Romney are Wild.
I have a REALLY bad feeling about all this.
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With PA, NC and GA, that puts Trump at 268.
I've missed this until this morning. Nevada is only an 8000 vote difference. Any candidate can request a recount and there is no margin requirement.
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It would be ridiculous for them to be able to arbitrarily seize private assets. If only there was a Supreme Court that was based in Originalism.
In the United States, Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution gives Congress the power to "lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States. This is also referred to as the "Taxing and Spending Clause."
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https://therightscoop.com/everyone-wakes-up-and-suddenly-biden-is-winning/
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Okay, before we totally panic, the Republicans have gained some House seats and will maintain control of the Senate. If Biden does win, McConnell will stop a lot of shit in the Senate.
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BTW, how many millions were spent trying to beat Graham and McConnell. Who else do they millions on and still lose?
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Okay, before we totally panic, the Republicans have gained some House seats and will maintain control of the Senate. If Biden does win, McConnell will stop a lot of shit in the Senate.
Hate to be the spoiler here, but Cocaine Mitch is a swamp creature. If Biden wins, the senate will follow in 2022, as they will just employ the very tactics taking place right now to secure the senate.
I wouldn't look to the Turtle to do us any favors.
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BTW, how many millions were spent trying to beat Graham and McConnell. Who else do they millions on and still lose?
The dims spent over $250 million in failed attempts.
But don't take any solace in that. What they have now learned, and if are successful with, will guarantee them complete control in 2022.
And we will never see another republican held WH, House or Senate, ever again.
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Well maybe this is a good sign?
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/5544/Which-party-will-win-Florida-in-the-2020-presidential-election
In case it changes, right now it has Trump 99 cents and Biden 1 cent.
Ha! It already changed. Biden is now 2 cents.
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https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/breaking-biden-doesnt-have-the-votes-to-flip-georgia/
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https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/breaking-biden-doesnt-have-the-votes-to-flip-georgia/
God I hope it's true.
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My sense is still Trump
Steal all those votes and it all changes.
Whores, thieves, scum of the earth, communist dems... and that’s their good points.
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Mail in ballots need to be counted and recorded as soon as they come in, but don't release the results until all polls close. All counting places need to be open to the public to watch the counting, whether in person or broadcast online.
I’m a fan of federalism. I believe in the 10th Amendment.
However, the states have abused the privilege of setting their own rules when it comes to the only federal election for President.
I’m inclined to support a single voting standard for a presidential election. This is fucking bullshit. It probably will require a constitutional amendment however.
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With PA, NC and GA, that puts Trump at 268.
I've missed this until this morning. Nevada is only an 8000 vote difference. Any candidate can request a recount and there is no margin requirement.
Republicans don’t do well in recount suits.
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I’m a fan of federalism. I believe in the 10th Amendment.
However, the states have abused the privilege of setting their own rules when it comes to the only federal election for President.
I’m inclined to support a single voting standard for a presidential election. This is fucking bullshit. It probably will require a constitutional amendment however.
The problems this year come from the executive branches of states. Their laws clearly state the legislature must change the laws, but yet these tinpot dictator wannabe governors were doing this with executive fiat. Even the state court systems were bypassing the legislative.
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qI have posted this link before but this article is so brilliant it is worth repeating. Every word is spot on. In the context of the election today it is even more pertinent. It nails the underlying reality fueling virtually all problems in the U.S right now and explains exactly the vote disparity between urban areas and the rest of us.
The growth of urban areas benefited Democrat political machines. These machines however fell out of the hands of the old machine politicians and into the hands of a class of academic leftists who were detached from everyday life and incapable of understanding basic economic realities. They accumulated populations without having the faintest idea of how to provide for them even while imposing policies that crushed industries and shattered the economies of entire regions.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/10/city-killing-america-daniel-greenfield/
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Collins has held in Maine, last polls numbers had her at -5.5%
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qI have posted this link before but this article is so brilliant it is worth repeating. Every word is spot on. In the context of the election today it is even more pertinent. It nails the underlying reality fueling virtually all problems in the U.S right now and explains exactly the vote disparity between urban areas and the rest of us.
The growth of urban areas benefited Democrat political machines. These machines however fell out of the hands of the old machine politicians and into the hands of a class of academic leftists who were detached from everyday life and incapable of understanding basic economic realities. They accumulated populations without having the faintest idea of how to provide for them even while imposing policies that crushed industries and shattered the economies of entire regions.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/10/city-killing-america-daniel-greenfield/
Fantasy Land Pipe Dreamers with no foothold in reality. Gone is the Pragmatism and Practicality of the old guard. Even the pro Union types mostly knew if you killed the Goose that laid the golden egg, everyone would starve. These Radically Far Left Academic types don't understand that, hence things like the Green New deal. Purely Feel Good Nonsense with no understanding of economics, unintended consequences and the average working person.
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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201104/debd61f38a7d283a808b6f9e955f1fc9.jpg)
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The Covid-19 Virus was their vehicle to create this chaos. I think it is time to go into the Corporate HQ's, studios and "news" rooms of NBC/MSNBC (Comcast), ABC (Disney), CNN (Time-Warner), CBC, PBS, NYT, Washpo (Amazon), elements of Fox News and the others and physically pull people out of their chairs and into the street. Same with the Democrat leadership and give them all a good talking to.
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Trump has to win MI or NV...or it's 270 to 268 and Biden wins by 7500 votes.
Confidence in this election is already very low. Such a low margin coupled with the number of states swinging in the last minute will just make that worse.
Interesting to note that Nevada allows a "None of these candidates" vote and around 25,000 thought Biden was too much of a goofball and Trump was too much of a jerk to vote for.
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Trump has to win MI or NV...or it's 270 to 268 and Biden wins by 7500 votes.
Confidence in this election is already very low. Such a low margin coupled with the number of states swinging in the last minute will just make that worse.
Interesting to note that Nevada allows a "None of these candidates" vote and around 25,000 thought Biden was too much of a goofball and Trump was too much of a jerk to vote for.
I wonder how many of the 25000 didn't like the policies of either candidate...
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No, I don't think they will fail now. It is much closer than I thought it would be, but the mail in vote is breaking strongly Democrat.
It's time to start accepting that you're going to have to say President Harris.
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It's time to start accepting that you're going to have to say President Harris.
won't happen.
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No, I don't think they will fail now. It is much closer than I thought it would be, but the mail in vote is breaking strongly Democrat.
I guess I'll have to figure out how to properly, um, dispose of my evil guns.
I see some boating accidents in my future...
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Hate to be the spoiler here, but Cocaine Mitch is a swamp creature. If Biden wins, the senate will follow in 2022, as they will just employ the very tactics taking place right now to secure the senate.
I wouldn't look to the Turtle to do us any favors.
Switching of the senate in midterm to the president's party has only happened twice in history.
And very little local state races has changed hands. So with the new Supreme Court, states will be able to draw up non-contiguous districts that are so gerrymandered that they'll form a 6 ft moving circle around every democrat in the state. So you guys should be safe in 2022.
The government is effectively deadlocked for the next 4 years. There's going to be no new significant legislation, no new taxes, and no new supreme court judges. It should be a conservative wet dream. Historically a deadlocked government has also been good for the stockmarket.
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The opening of the Pandora's Box of Mail In Voting is the death knell of our Republic. DONE.
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The opening of the Pandora's Box of Mail In Voting is the death knell of our Republic. DONE.
nah - that isn't it. Sure, it made the voter fraud much much easier, but I'm sure we can enumerate other more fundamental causes.
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Here’s the moment CNN shows Biden receiving 110,000 votes instantly. They’re gobsmacked by it.
https://twitter.com/offguardian0/status/1324068628128555009
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... from Sarah Hoyt:
OKAY, I’M SICK AND TIRED OF THIS AND I WANT TO CALL IT OUT RIGHT NOW:
I don’t want to hear a word about Trump’s tone. I don’t want to hear a word about how he crossed a line.
I DON’T WANT TO HEAR A WORD.
Listen to me: On one side we have the left, who is running a barely alive candidate, and a woman with all the appeal of week-old fish and no accomplishments she can point to.
Add to this they almost didn’t run a campaign, AND went to the point of not having offices in most cities.
For months now, I’ve been looking at this and going “They have a coup planned. The fix is in.” And everyone told me oh, no, I was seeing things.
Tonight we watched states called for Biden before votes were counted, while states that Trump has a solid lead in, stop counting.
And if you need help seeing what’s before your eyes, the left has for weeks now claimed Trump was going to attempt a coup. How many years have you known they accuse you of what they’re doing? What are you? Stupid?
Look, they are tainted by the previous failed coups, tainted by (most if not all of them) accepting money from Xi, and FYI China ALWAYS arranges for extra compromise for security, honeypots being their favorite, tainted even by association with Epstein. A second Trump term means a good chance that they go down hard and don’t get up again.
ALL OF THEM from the left politicians to the so called “tech lords” are fighting for their lives.
They’re cornered rats. There’s nothing they won’t do.
And all we have against them is Trump.
Stop calling Trump names. Put on your big boy or girl pants.
They’re fighting for their lives. And we are too. Because — look at Venezuela — socialism kills.
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Liberalism is the slow road to communism.
Socialism is just a rest stop along the way...
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They’re fighting for their lives. And we are too. Because — look at Venezuela — socialism kills.
Biden socialist? Ok, really a little perspective here. Biden's tax plan, if enacted, would put him to the right of every Republic presidency from Warren Harding to Ronald Reagan. And even then, it's mostly going to social security. Take out the effect of social security, and Biden's top rate is identical to both Clinton's and Obama's. You lived through that. You'll live through Biden.
But even then, it won't even happen. You guys got the Senate.
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Biden socialist? Ok, really a little perspective here. Biden's tax plan, if enacted, would put him to the right of every Republic presidency from Warren Harding to Ronald Reagan. And even then, it's mostly going to social security. Take out the effect of social security, and Biden's top rate is identical to both Clinton's and Obama's. You lived through that. You'll live through Biden.
But even then, it won't even happen. You guys got the Senate.
Biden is a non-entity. Harris is a Marxist.
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Is Michigan really done for?
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Is Michigan really done for?
Not yet.
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Biden is a non-entity. Harris is a Marxist.
And Biden is a Trojan Horse.
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And Biden is a Trojan Horse.
The worthless expendable cow used as surrogate for the valuable calf. I read somebody make that analogy now I can’t remember where.
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Is Michigan really done for?
~50'000 votes remain to be counted, with a 135000 current lead by Biden. Even if every remaining vote breaks for Trump it would not be enough to put him within 1% (not that MI has a 1% recount rule).
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Yes, WI and MI are done.
The place to watch is NV, where Biden is ahead by about 7,500 votes. But it appears absentee ballots were largely cast by Democrats cowering in their basements, so it is unlikely Trump will prevail there. Absent an allegation of fraud, even 7,500 does not meet Nevada’s margin for a recount.
NV gives Biden 270 votes and Trump 274 (with GA, NC and PA, all of which I believe have not officially reported, but have margins larger than the remaining votes to be counted)
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We are f@cked. >:(
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So basically they used covid to do the mail in ballot thing which is where the Dem votes tipped things over? Is that the size of it here? Honestly this is 2020, of course the election had to result in nightmare scenario.
On the bright side, blacks and Hispanics are waking up and if the Dems fail to get their one party system in place by 2024, and someone like say Candace Owens runs, we could retake the White House, assuming of course we fix this mail in ballot thing.
The mail in ballot thing virtually makes elections irrelevant.
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Maybe we should stop reporting partial results so folks don't know how many votes they need to make up to flip it. Only final results reported.
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We might see MAGA Jr in 2024 and of course Trump, himself, could run.
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Virginia is going red. Again, they are fleeing the plantation.
What were you basing this on?
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The Georgia State site appears to show everything reported with Trump still in the lead.
https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/105369/web.264614/#/summary?county=DeKalb (https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/105369/web.264614/#/summary?county=DeKalb)
Not sure what is still going on.
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What were you basing this on?
See the date/time stamp
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So now in Michigan we are seeing votes from people that are 120 years old..........and long dead.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/watch-ballot-count-watcher-describes-least-130000-ballots-biden-arriving-three-vehicles-detroit-dead-night/
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/11/05/nevada-announcement-n2579517
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https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/11/05/dem-officials-in-pennsylvania-are-reportedly-privately-telling-joe-biden-he-will-win-the-state-by-100k-200k-votes/
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https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/11/05/trump-campaign-touts-major-legal-victory-in-pennsylvania-n2579525
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And people thought we had to worry about Russian meddling in our election process. Hell, it's the Democrats.
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-nyt-2020-election-ballot-fraud-armed-agents-20201105-ngirlkea3jgmpjutyrpttnit2i-story.html
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And people thought we had to worry about Russian meddling in our election process. Hell, it's the Democrats.
it's an old trick: LOOK OVER THERE!!!!
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Seems there are still 60k or so ballots to count here in Georgia. Trump is likely toast here and the Perdue/Osoff Senate race will end up in a runoff January 5th
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Seems there are still 60k or so ballots to count here in Georgia. Trump is likely toast here and the Perdue/Osoff Senate race will end up in a runoff January 5th
Lawsuit being (been?) filed to recount all legal votes.
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What is the real story on the Arizona Sharpie deal? Can't really find the true story.
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What is the real story on the Arizona Sharpie deal? Can't really find the true story.
Sharpie pens would make the ballot unreadable going through the machine.
Poll workers were giving out sharpie pens for people to use. How convenient. ::)
https://nationalfile.com/bombshell-arizona-state-senator-confirms-sharpiegate-is-being-investigated/
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Looks like AZ is done too. Biden margin is growing.
Georgia Sharpiegate is a distraction because without gaining a state, Trump is stuck at 268 at best. And the only way to gain a state at this point would be to prove massive fraud, except it isn't provable anymore. Once invalid ballots gets mixed in with valid ballots, they cannot be distinguished unless the person was very, very sloppy.
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Biden socialist? Ok, really a little perspective here. Biden's tax plan, if enacted, would put him to the right of every Republic presidency from Warren Harding to Ronald Reagan. And even then, it's mostly going to social security. Take out the effect of social security, and Biden's top rate is identical to both Clinton's and Obama's. You lived through that. You'll live through Biden.
But even then, it won't even happen. You guys got the Senate.
Biden is a vessel to get the Democrat party last 11/3. Lawsuits notwithstanding, mission accomplished. Should he win, he will not be President on 12/31/21.
President Kamala plans on confiscating 10 million firearms in her first 100 days. Her gun czar Beto O’Rourke will confiscate all semiautomatic firearm. Even good old Joe said he will confiscate AR-14s.
President Kamala supports the green new deal. It was on her website last time I checked.
Biden and Harris support the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing, which is a scheme to force suburban towns with single family housing and minimum lot sizes to build high density affordable housing in the middle of suburban neighborhoods. Social engineering at its finest.
If you don’t think those things are socialistic, you should maybe read more.
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They have to get those past the Supreme Court first.
Bottom line, they don't have the manpower to visit 120 million gun owners in the US.
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The worthless expendable cow used as surrogate for the valuable calf. I read somebody make that analogy now I can’t remember where.
I did - that’s a bovine genetic breeding business that my vet daughter serves.
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Yes, WI and MI are done.
The place to watch is NV, where Biden is ahead by about 7,500 votes. But it appears absentee ballots were largely cast by Democrats cowering in their basements, so it is unlikely Trump will prevail there. Absent an allegation of fraud, even 7,500 does not meet Nevada’s margin for a recount.
NV gives Biden 270 votes and Trump 274 (with GA, NC and PA, all of which I believe have not officially reported, but have margins larger than the remaining votes to be counted)
You’re math is off. You’re 6 over.
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They have to get those past the Supreme Court first.
Bottom line, they don't have the manpower to visit 120 million gun owners in the US.
They don't have to, just make it illegal to own one and eventually they'll get all the guns from legal owners.
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You’re math is off. You’re 6 over.
It gives Biden 270 if he wins NV or Trump 274 if he wins it.
Math is good, I just said it poorly. whoever wins NV wins (assuming GA, NC and PA)
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So basically they used covid to do the mail in ballot thing which is where the Dem votes tipped things over? Is that the size of it here? Honestly this is 2020, of course the election had to result in nightmare scenario.
On the bright side, blacks and Hispanics are waking up and if the Dems fail to get their one party system in place by 2024, and someone like say Candace Owens runs, we could retake the White House, assuming of course we fix this mail in ballot thing.
The mail in ballot thing virtually makes elections irrelevant.
I saw Karl Rove note on his white board the following percentages of black votes:
Bush 4%
Romney 6%
Trump 2016 8%
Trump 2020 12%
You’ve always said that the black support for Trump has been increasing, and Rove’s analysis reflects it.
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They have to get those past the Supreme Court first.
Bottom line, they don't have the manpower to visit 120 million gun owners in the US.
You must be thinking they will use the conventional constitutional process.
They have the congressional power to make 120 million gun owners felons overnight. Collins, /Romney and at least 1-2 more senators could lose their spines over gun control.
Gun owners are generally a law abiding lot - much more so than the average citizen. No one wants to risk going to prison for possessing a cool AR that they like to take to the range on Sunday afternoons.
So introduce the mandatory “gun buyback.” Law abiding gun owner who doesn’t want to be a felon will tell themselves “Well, at least I’m getting a couple hundred bucks for it.”
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It gives Biden 270 if he wins NV or Trump 274 if he wins it.
Math is good, I just said it poorly. whoever wins NV wins (assuming GA, NC and PA)
Ok, got it. Thanks.
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You must be thinking they will use the conventional constitutional process.
They have the congressional power to make 120 million gun owners felons overnight. Collins, /Romney and at least 1-2 more senators could lose their spines over gun control.
Gun owners are generally a law abiding lot - much more so than the average citizen. No one wants to risk going to prison for possessing a cool AR that they like to take to the range on Sunday afternoons.
So introduce the mandatory “gun buyback.” Law abiding gun owner who doesn’t want to be a felon will tell themselves “Well, at least I’m getting a couple hundred bucks for it.”
Exactly. They don't need to go door to door to confiscate guns. Make them illegal or certain ones illegal then make an example of just a few that happen to get caught with them. Felonies and LONG jail sentences. Yeah, people will turn them in out of pure FEAR of a long, mandatory jail term.
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They have to get those past the Supreme Court first.
Bottom line, they don't have the manpower to visit 120 million gun owners in the US.
They don't have the manpower...That's the protection you are offering up? It's too hard for them to take guns away, so we don't have to worry.
How about acknowledging my constitutional rights?
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They don't have the manpower...That's the protection you are offering up? It's too hard for them to take guns away, so we don't have to worry.
How about acknowledging my constitutional rights?
You mean your Natural Rights, guaranteed by the Constitution? The Democrats don't recognize them.
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You mean your Natural Rights, guaranteed by the Constitution? The Democrats don't recognize them.
Do you guys just love making a boogieman up in your head and running against them? Kamala said she supports gun buybacks, not forced confiscation (or even mandatory buybacks).
But either way, of all the things I dislike about Trump, I couldn't care less when he attacks and threaten the press or the protesters. Cause 1A.
Why do you care about stupid stuff that people say where 2A protects you? Especially with the Supreme Court right now you can pass a law that mandate that kids are issued AK47's at birth, and they'll uphold it.
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https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1324406883600506880
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https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/05/reporter-notes-its-remarkable-how-biden-performs-the-best-in-states-where-counting-takes-more-time/
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https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1324406883600506880
Yeah, why even have elections. ::)
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Do you guys just love making a boogieman up in your head and running against them? Kamala said she supports gun buybacks, not forced confiscation (or even mandatory buybacks).
But either way, of all the things I dislike about Trump, I couldn't care less when he attacks and threaten the press or the protesters. Cause 1A.
Why do you care about stupid stuff that people say where 2A protects you? Especially with the Supreme Court right now you can pass a law that mandate that kids are issued AK47's at birth, and they'll uphold it.
Gun buy backs are MANDATORY. That's what Australia called their gun CONFISCATIONS. They give you a few bucks for the guns, but you have a deadline to turn them in or you are an Instant Felon. EDUCATE YOURSELF. ::)
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Yeah, why even have elections. ::)
Go educate yourself on the constitution. ::)
Article II, Section 1:
“Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.”
Mark Levin's point is right now we have Governor's and other officials attempting to set rules for vote counting, etc. None of this is legal with regards to the constitution (Article II, Section I)
The state legislatures need to convene and set the prescribed methods (already enshrined into state laws) and by following these laws set the state back on course to legally select the electors.
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https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/05/reporter-notes-its-remarkable-how-biden-performs-the-best-in-states-where-counting-takes-more-time/
Mmm.
Trump tells his supporters not to vote by mail.
Republicans tell pollsters they're not allowed to start opening mail until election day.
Votes that are counted later shows support going against Trump.
What could it be... what could it be... Such a mystery!
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Gun buy backs are MANDATORY. That's what Australia called their gun CONFISCATIONS. They give you a few bucks for the guns, but you have a deadline to turn them in or you are an Instant Felon. EDUCATE YOURSELF. ::)
Here's the history of gun buybacks in the United States. Point to the ones you think were mandatory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#United_States
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Here's the history of gun buybacks in the United States. Point to the ones you think were mandatory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#United_States
That is not at all what they are talking about. They will be MANDATORY just like what Beto and Biden are talking about. Do research into THEIR positions. GET EDUCATED, You are wasting my time.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/03/joe-biden-promises-to-put-beto-orourke-in-charge-of-gun-control/
Moments after former Democratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke — who promised in a September debate to take away legally purchased assault rifles if elected — endorsed Joe Biden’s White House run, the former vice president promised to name the Texan as his point man on gun control.
“I want to make something clear, I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him,” Biden said Monday evening during a campaign rally in Dallas. “You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.”
“I’m counting on you. I’m counting on you,” Biden continued. “We need you badly, the state needs you, the country needs you. You’re the best.”
O’Rourke, a former congressman from El Paso, dropped out of the race last November.
He notably railed against automatic weapons during a presidential debate in September and reiterated his backing of a mandatory gun buyback program, saying such weapons were “designed to kill on the battlefield.”
“Hell, yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47,” O’Rourke said. “We’re not going to allow it to be used against our fellow Americans anymore.”
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That is not at all what they are talking about. They will be MANDATORY just like what Beto and Biden are talking about. Do research into THEIR positions. GET EDUCATED, You are wasting my time.
I can't research something he never said. You're the one making the accusation - the burden of proof is on you.
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I can't research something he never said. You're the one making the accusation - the burden of proof is on you.
I edited my post. Look again. EDUCATE YOURSELF. You are currently Ignorant.
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Here's the history of gun buybacks in the United States. Point to the ones you think were mandatory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_buyback_program#United_States
You are seriously missing the big picture.
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I can't research something he never said. You're the one making the accusation - the burden of proof is on you.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-pushes-for-federal-gun-buyback-program-assault-weapons-ban-in-wake-of-mass-shootings/2019/08/05/6261d998-b7e5-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html
https://townhall.com/columnists/isabellemorales/2020/10/30/beware-bidens-200-gun-tax-n2579054
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/07/nolte-joe-bidens-buyback-program-straight-gun-confiscation/
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-calls-for-assault-gun-ban-while-americans-buy-in-record-numbers-after-riots-defund-police-push-nra-trolls-him
https://conservativefiringline.com/mandatory-buyback-of-firearms-is-compensated-confiscation-say-2a-activists/
More importantly, a “mandatory buyback” translates literally to compensated confiscation. That is, you must turn in your guns, and then the government sends you a check. There was nothing in the proposal to suggest keeping one’s firearms would be an option.
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You mean your Natural Rights, guaranteed by the Constitution? The Democrats don't recognize them.
yes. In my brain, the two statements are synonymous. Maybe there is a nuance that I'm missiong. But it's my understanding that the constitution doesn't grant rights, it acknowledges them.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/joe-biden-pushes-for-federal-gun-buyback-program-assault-weapons-ban-in-wake-of-mass-shootings/2019/08/05/6261d998-b7e5-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html
https://townhall.com/columnists/isabellemorales/2020/10/30/beware-bidens-200-gun-tax-n2579054
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/07/nolte-joe-bidens-buyback-program-straight-gun-confiscation/
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/politics/joe-biden-gun-control-plan/index.html
https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-calls-for-assault-gun-ban-while-americans-buy-in-record-numbers-after-riots-defund-police-push-nra-trolls-him
https://conservativefiringline.com/mandatory-buyback-of-firearms-is-compensated-confiscation-say-2a-activists/
Quoting from your sources above:
WAPOST: "He went on to say that previously owned guns would not be confiscated"
TOWNHALL: Links to his site that says https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/ (https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/): "This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act."
BREITBART: "Right now, there’s no legal way that I’m aware that you could deny them the right to have purchased (ph) — legally purchase them"
The rest of the articles don't really say anything but seems to be pointing to the same sources.
I'm not sure what you're afraid off? EVEN if that is Biden/Harris really want? That Biden would pass an Executive Order that will give federal police the right to invade people's homes to look for firearms, and the Supreme court in turn will uphold it? Or that Mitch McConnell is going to draft a bill that does the same and send it to Biden to sign?
I'm about 100% sure Trump won't concede the election and won't leave the White House voluntarily. He pretty much can't - the New York state attorney will start legal actions against him the moment he steps off of Marine One. However, I have no fear whatsoever that the Joint Chiefs will follow him and start a Civil War. The one thing that does work in this country is checks and balances.
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I'm about 100% sure Trump won't concede the election and won't leave the White House voluntarily. He pretty much can't - the New York state attorney will start legal actions against him the moment he steps off of Marine One. However, I have no fear whatsoever that the Joint Chiefs will follow him and start a Civil War. The one thing that does work in this country is checks and balances.
This is just conspiratory progressive drivel. Nice how you segwayed it into a conversation totally off subject.
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This is just conspiratory progressive drivel. Nice how you segwayed it into a conversation totally off subject.
Just to go on record for a conversation 2 months from now:
Do you think the New York state attorney is not going to start charges?
Or you think Trump will gracefully concede?
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Quoting from your sources above:
WAPOST: "He went on to say that previously owned guns would not be confiscated"
TOWNHALL: Links to his site that says https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/ (https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/): "This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act."
BREITBART: "Right now, there’s no legal way that I’m aware that you could deny them the right to have purchased (ph) — legally purchase them"
The rest of the articles don't really say anything but seems to be pointing to the same sources.
I'm not sure what you're afraid off? EVEN if that is Biden/Harris really want? That Biden would pass an Executive Order that will give federal police the right to invade people's homes to look for firearms, and the Supreme court in turn will uphold it? Or that Mitch McConnell is going to draft a bill that does the same and send it to Biden to sign?
Here is what I quoted:
I can't research something he never said. You're the one making the accusation - the burden of proof is on you.
Yet, in each of those articles it's exactly what he said.....to the letter.
Twist and spin all you want. Your game is obvious, and tediously boring.
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Just to go on record for a conversation 2 months from now:
Do you think the New York state attorney is not going to start charges?
Or you think Trump will gracefully concede?
If you want to discuss these topics, why not create a thread first?
Please stop hijacking threads, which is all you've really been trying to do since you've reappeared.
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https://uncoverdc.com/2020/11/05/a-republic-if-you-can-keep-it/
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Here is what I quoted:
Yet, in each of those articles it's exactly what he said.....to the letter.
Twist and spin all you want. Your game is obvious, and tediously boring.
I agree that's what he said, but nowhere in there does he say that he'll pursue a policy of confiscation or mandatory buybacks.
Unless you're talking about the ones that I said "The rest of the articles don't really say anything but seems to be pointing to the same sources". Just in case, I'll do them here for completeness:
CNN: Has no quotes from Biden or links to his policy.
DailyWire: Does not talk about mandatory buybacks at all.
Conservativefiringline: Does not quote from Biden or link to his policy. Even does things like: mandatory "buyback" basically implying that they're quoting "buyback" from Harris but the word mandatory is their own. Rich.
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I agree that's what he said, but nowhere in there does he say that he'll pursue a policy of confiscation or mandatory buybacks.
(https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/rollingeyes.jpg)
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I agree that's what he said, but nowhere in there does he say that he'll pursue a policy of confiscation or mandatory buybacks.
Unless you're talking about the ones that I said "The rest of the articles don't really say anything but seems to be pointing to the same sources". Just in case, I'll do them here for completeness:
CNN: Has no quotes from Biden or links to his policy.
DailyWire: Does not talk about mandatory buybacks at all.
Conservativefiringline: Does not quote from Biden or link to his policy. Even does things like: mandatory "buyback" basically implying that they're quoting "buyback" from Harris but the word mandatory is their own. Rich.
You argument is PATHETIC when I showed you direct quotes from Biden.
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Looks like AZ is done too. Biden margin is growing.
Georgia Sharpiegate is a distraction because without gaining a state, Trump is stuck at 268 at best. And the only way to gain a state at this point would be to prove massive fraud, except it isn't provable anymore. Once invalid ballots gets mixed in with valid ballots, they cannot be distinguished unless the person was very, very sloppy.
There is no Georgia Sharpiegate, it is in AZ
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https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/11/05/70000-michigan-voters-chose-joe-biden-but-not-the-incumbent-democrat-senator-gary-peters-n275597
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https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/11/05/70000-michigan-voters-chose-joe-biden-but-not-the-incumbent-democrat-senator-gary-peters-n275597
Never-Trump Republicans vs. actual Democrats.
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https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/11/05/70000-michigan-voters-chose-joe-biden-but-not-the-incumbent-democrat-senator-gary-peters-n275597 (https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/11/05/70000-michigan-voters-chose-joe-biden-but-not-the-incumbent-democrat-senator-gary-peters-n275597)
All fine, except Peters has won.
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Never-Trump Republicans vs. actual Democrats.
Right.
There's no way you can be as ignorant as you are trying to portray yourself as being.
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All fine, except Peters has won.
Not yet. James has not conceded as law suits are being filed.
But the point of the article is the numbers are not adding up. ALL of these elections follow trends in down ballot voting. The people manufacturing the ballots over looked this and look like fools. Had they wanted this to look convincing they would have kept the margins of votes close to the previous counted votes.
But that's hard to do when the pallets of ballots are being created wholesale.
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I agree that's what he said, but nowhere in there does he say that he'll pursue a policy of confiscation or mandatory buybacks.
No, the system he's talking about is a choice between mandatory buyback or mandatory registration, which will be used for future confiscation. There is no justifiable reason to have a national gun registry and to make every gun owner a criminal by default.
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No, the system he's talking about is a choice between mandatory buyback or mandatory registration, which will be used for future confiscation. There is no justifiable reason to have a national gun registry and to make every gun owner a criminal by default.
Do we consider every car owner a criminal by default now? Car registration is used in enforcement action after all, from traffic infractions to hit & runs.
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Do we consider every car owner a criminal by default now? Car registration is used in enforcement action after all, from traffic infractions to hit & runs.
There is no constitutional right to keep and bear cars.
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Do we consider every car owner a criminal by default now? Car registration is used in enforcement action after all, from traffic infractions to hit & runs.
That’s really an idiotic comparison.
Driving a car on government roads is a privilege.
The right to keep and bear arms is a NATURAL right, not granted by the government, but guaranteed by the Constitution.
It must be fun to be this willingly obtuse.
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Blissful ignorance is, well, blissful... isn't it?
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That’s really an idiotic comparison.
Driving a car on government roads is a privilege.
The right to keep and bear arms is a NATURAL right, not granted by the government, but guaranteed by the Constitution.
It must be fun to be this willingly obtuse.
I agree with the direction of your point however I would argue that government roads are a sort of monopoly and therefore using them is more a right than a privilege. The main purpose of car registration is money. A secondary purpose is to track the owner in case of crime, violations etc.
There is no need to pay the government for owning a gun, unlike the cost of maintaining roads, therefore proponents of gun registration must use the argument that it’s needed to track crime, but while it may be valid, the benefit is outweighed by the danger of giving the government a database of all firearms and their owners which can be used by any future oppressive regime to disarm dissidents, and that is very much against the spirit and the letter of the 2nd Amendment, which references their necessity to maintain a “free state”.
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Biden has moved ahead in Georgia.
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Only hope is to hold on to the Senate, but even that's looking iffy. If they get full control it's done.
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I agree with the direction of your point however I would argue that government roads are a sort of monopoly and therefore using them is more a right than a privilege. The main purpose of car registration is money. A secondary purpose is to track the owner in case of crime, violations etc.
There is no need to pay the government for owning a gun, unlike the cost of maintaining roads, therefore proponents of gun registration must use the argument that it’s needed to track crime, but while it may be valid, the benefit is outweighed by the danger of giving the government a database of all firearms and their owners which can be used by any future oppressive regime to disarm dissidents, and that is very much against the spirit and the letter of the 2nd Amendment, which references their necessity to maintain a “free state”.
A friend was in the Philippines when the Japanese invaded in 1941. Although a mere lad at the time, he distinctly remembers how the Japanese used the gun registry to round up all the guns in civilian hands. That experience has definitely colored his view of gun registration schemes.
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Biden has moved ahead in Georgia.
What the hell Eppy?!?!? Get down to Atlanta or wherever the hell they are manufacturing ballots and start kicking ass!
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What the hell Eppy?!?!? Get down to Atlanta or wherever the hell they are manufacturing ballots and start kicking ass!
SecState has announced a recount. The other effect is David Perdue ends up in a run off as does Kelly Loeffler. Money will flow like crazy into this state to try and flip those two seats.
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SecState has announced a recount. The other effect is David Perdue ends up in a run off as does Kelly Loeffler. Money will flow like crazy into this state to try and flip those two seats.
Eppy, if the corruption isn't stopped those 2 runoff's will go to the dims no matter who votes.
This scam of after election counting and seat flipping days afterwards has to be stopped.
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Rush just said this went on for 37 days in 2000 for Al Gore and that was just one state. We aren’t going to know the ultimate outcome any time soon.
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What Rush said. Whatever they announce, a bunch of races are so close that they'll trigger automatic recounts, which will take time. We'll be lucky if we know who will be the next POTUS before December. As far as I know the election results don't have to be finalized unit January 20. I'm a little worried it could go that long.
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What Rush said. Whatever they announce, a bunch of races are so close that they'll trigger automatic recounts, which will take time. We'll be lucky if we know who will be the next POTUS before December. As far as I know the election results don't have to be finalized unit January 20. I'm a little worried it could go that long.
That’s the inauguration date, not when the results are technically finalized. This document appears to be relatively authoritative on the electoral college timeline, which I’ll quote all the relevant portions:
https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641 (https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11641)
November 4-December 14, 2020: Counting Popular Votes and Filing Certificates of Ascertainment
Following election day, the states are to count and certify popular vote results according to their respective statutory and procedural requirements. When the states have completed their vote counts and ascertained the official results, the U.S. Code (3 U.S.C. §6) requires the state governors to prepare, “as soon as practicable,” documents known as Certificates of Ascertainment of the vote. The certificates must list the names of the electors chosen by the voters and the number of votes received in the popular election results, also the names of all losing candidates for elector, and the number of votes they received. Certificates of Ascertainment, which are often signed by state governors, must carry the seal of the state. One copy is forwarded to the Archivist of the United States (the Archivist), while six duplicates of the Certificate of Ascertainment must be provided to the electors by December 14, the date on which they meet.
December 8, 2020: The “Safe Harbor” Deadline
The U.S. Code (3 U.S.C. §5) provides that if election results are contested in any state, and if the state, prior to election day, has enacted procedures to settle controversies or contests over electors and electoral votes, and if these procedures have been applied, and the results have been determined six days before the electors’ meetings, then these results are considered to be conclusive, and will apply in the counting of the electoral votes. This date, known as the “Safe Harbor” deadline, falls on December 8 in 2020. The governor of any state where there was a contest, and in which the contest was decided according to established state procedures, is required (3 U.S.C. §6) to send a certificate describing the form and manner by which the determination was made to the Archivist as soon as practicable.
December 14, 2020: Electors Vote in Their States
Monday after the second Wednesday in December of presidential election years is set (3 U.S.C. §7) as the date on which the electors meet and vote. In 2020, the meeting is on December 14. Electoral college delegations meet separately in their respective states and the District of Columbia at places designated by their state legislature. The electors vote by paper ballot, casting one ballot for President and one for Vice President. The electors count the results and then sign six certificates, each of which contains two lists, one of which includes the electoral votes for the President, the other, electoral votes for the Vice President, each of which includes the names of persons receiving votes and the number of votes cast for them. These are known as Certificates of the Vote, which the electors are required to sign. They then pair the six Certificates of Ascertainment provided by the state governors with the Certificates of the Vote, and sign, seal, and certify them (3 U.S.C. §§8-10). The six certificates are then distributed by registered mail as follows: (1) one certificate to the President of the U.S. Senate (the Vice President); (2) two certificates to the secretary of state (or equivalent officer) of the state in which the electors met; (3) two certificates to the Archivist; and (4) one certificate to the judge of the U.S. district court of the district in which the electors met (3 U.S.C. §11).
December 23, 2020: Certificates Must Be Delivered to the Designated Officials
Certificates of electoral vote results must be delivered to above mentioned officers by the fourth Wednesday in December, in 2020, by December 23 (3 U.S.C. §12).
Failure to Deliver Certificates by December 23
If the certificates from any state have not been delivered by December 23, 2020, the President of the Senate, or in their absence the Archivist, is required to request the secretary of state or equivalent officer in that state to send one of the copies they hold to the President of the Senate by registered mail (3 U.S.C. §12, 13). The Code also directs them to send a messenger to the judge of the U.S. district court in the state directing the judge to transmit the certificate they hold by “hand ... to the seat of government.”
January 6, 2021: Joint Session of Congress to Count Electoral Votes and Declare Election Results Meets
On January 6, or another date set by law, the Senate and House of Representatives assemble at 1:00 p.m. in a joint session at the Capitol, in the House chamber, to count the electoral votes and declare the results (3 U.S.C. §15). The Vice President presides as President of the Senate. The Vice President opens the certificates and presents them to four tellers, two from each chamber. The tellers read and make a list of the returns. When the votes have been ascertained and counted, the tellers transmit them to the Vice President. If one of the tickets has received a majority of 270 or more electoral votes, the Vice President announces the results, which “shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President.”
Joint Session Challenges to Electoral Vote Returns
While the tellers announce the results, Members may object to the returns from any individual state as they are announced. Objections to individual state returns must be made in writing by at least one Member each of the Senate and House of Representatives. If an objection meets these requirements, the joint session recesses and the two houses separate and debate the question in their respective chambers for a maximum of two hours. The two houses then vote separately to accept or reject the objection. They then reassemble in joint session, and announce the results of their respective votes. An objection to a state’s electoral vote must be approved by both houses in order for any contested votes to be excluded. For additional information, see CRS Report RL32717, Counting Electoral Votes: An Overview of Procedures at the Joint Session, Including Objections by Members of Congress, coordinated by Elizabeth Rybicki and L. Paige Whitaker.
January 20, 2021: Presidential Inauguration
On this date, the President and Vice President are to be inaugurated. The Twentieth Amendment set the date for inaugurations as January 20, beginning in 1937. Since 1981, the ceremony has, with one exception, been held on the West Front of the Capitol. The Vice President takes the oath first, followed at noon by the President.
Legislative Proposals to Extend the Post-Election Electoral College Timeline
Concern has been expressed by some that contested or delayed state popular vote results in the 2020 presidential election might prolong counting and ascertainment of results and encroach on the electoral college timeline. Two bills introduced in the 116th Congress would extend the time available for this process. S. 4517, introduced by Senator Marco Rubio, would be effective for the 2020-2021 election. It would change the Safe Harbor date to January 1, 2021, and the date on which electors vote to January 2. H.R. 8492, introduced by Representative David E. Price, would change the Safe Harbor date and also reschedule the electoral college meetings to the first day after January 1. It would also expedite delivery of certificates of the electoral vote and reschedule the joint session of Congress to count electoral votes to the second day after a revised deadline for election certificate delivery to the Vice President or the Archivist.
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Rush just said this went on for 37 days in 2000 for Al Gore and that was just one state. We aren’t going to know the ultimate outcome any time soon.
We have until December 12th for the states to certify votes and electors. If that doesn't happen, the election moves to the house and senate.
Far from being over no matter how hard Big Tech and the MSM keep declaring it's over.
I remember 2000 very well. Gore and the media was referring to him as "President Elect" and Gore started a transition team, and even started naming cabinet members.
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We have until December 12th for the states to certify votes and electors. If that doesn't happen, the election moves to the house and senate.
Far from being over no matter how hard Big Tech and the MSM keep declaring it's over.
Thank you. I didn't think this could go all the way to the inauguration, but I forgot just when the results had to be in. My biggest delay fear is in the recounts, though to be honest those should go quite a bit faster. Right now a lot of municipalities are awaiting the wash of mail in and absentee ballots that are coming back. Most are admitting any that were postmarked on Election Day. Given what the POTUS and his GOP flunkies have done to the postal service I could see that taking some time.
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Thank you. I didn't think this could go all the way to the inauguration, but I forgot just when the results had to be in. My biggest delay fear is in the recounts, though to be honest those should go quite a bit faster. Right now a lot of municipalities are awaiting the wash of mail in and absentee ballots that are coming back. Most are admitting any that were postmarked on Election Day. Given what the POTUS and his GOP flunkies have done to the postal service I could see that taking some time.
Obama removed thousands of mail boxes.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-remove-usps-mailboxes/
Obama severely reduced postal services
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/who-killed-the-postal-service/249508/
Obama loots the postal service and no one notices
https://www.postal-reporter.com/blog/federal-government-loots-usps-nobody-seems-to-notice/
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Obama removed thousands of mail boxes.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama-remove-usps-mailboxes/
Obama severely reduced postal services
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/12/who-killed-the-postal-service/249508/
Obama loots the postal service and no one notices
https://www.postal-reporter.com/blog/federal-government-loots-usps-nobody-seems-to-notice/
Do you read any of your links? The first said that removal of post boxes was apolitical. The second said that the postal service was killed by a bunch of things not including Obama. The last said that they borrowed against the Postal Service which was done previously, and was paid back.
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Do you read any of your links? The first said that removal of post boxes was apolitical. The second said that the postal service was killed by a bunch of things not including Obama. The last said that they borrowed against the Postal Service which was done previously, and was paid back.
Done under Obama's watch. Obama's fault. Just like you do for Trump. Apolitical? Right. Your side makes EVERYTHING political. But only when it's Trump.
You say that Obama isn't running. True. But so what? It was OK under Obama but not OK under Trump. Your hypocrisy is astounding.
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Done under Obama's watch. Obama's fault. Just like you do for Trump. Apolitical? Right. Your side makes EVERYTHING political. But only when it's Trump.
You say that Obama isn't running. True. But so what? It was OK under Obama but not OK under Trump. Your hypocrisy is astounding.
And dishonesty. The two core principles of Progressives (Marxists).
The Democrats and the MEDIA have made everything political. Sports, Entertainment, Health issues..... EVERYTHING. It is sick and twisted. This is becoming the USSR.
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Gun buy backs are MANDATORY. That's what Australia called their gun CONFISCATIONS. They give you a few bucks for the guns, but you have a deadline to turn them in or you are an Instant Felon. EDUCATE YOURSELF. ::)
Ever hear of Eminent Domain?
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Ever hear off Eminent Domain?
LOL! Yeah.