Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2020, 02:29:41 PM
Right after Nov 3rd that dastardly covid virus was almost gone, and we watched democrats holding huge celebrations that no one called "super spreader" events.
Now that the election is contested and the left can seem to force the President into conceding, now we are having super rises in Cases! and new lock downs, plus being told that Thanksgiving and Christmas are hereby cancelled.
BTW, Pope Tony has decreed that mask and social distancing will still be required even after vaccines.
What a fuckin' scam.
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Post by: TimRB on November 17, 2020, 08:08:24 PM
Post by: Anthony on November 18, 2020, 02:18:28 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 06:19:39 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 06:34:53 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 09:29:53 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 18, 2020, 10:35:23 AM
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/11/13/how-theyll-fake-the-success-of-the-covid-vaccine/
I scanned that and several of his articles. IMHO not worth further time. One could spend days refuting his beliefs, all to no end.
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 12:56:15 PM
I scanned that and several of his articles. IMHO not worth further time. One could spend days refuting his beliefs, all to no end.
I've scanned plenty articles you've posted that aren't worthy of wasting anyone's time with.
So your point is?
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 18, 2020, 01:11:57 PM
I've scanned plenty articles you've posted that aren't worthy of wasting anyone's time with.
So your point is?
Do you agree with his claim that the virus hasn’t even been proven to exist?
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 01:19:33 PM
Do you agree with his claim that the virus hasn’t even been proven to exist?
I'm not going to go down and debate the article point by point.
I placed it there because he does make some interesting points. And once again you put on you sanctimonious attitude.
Post by: Little Joe on November 18, 2020, 01:32:04 PM
I'm not going to go down and debate the article point by point.Basically, that's what Jim said. There is too many points to go down and debate each one. Especially when some of them are obviously ridiculous.
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I placed it there because he does make some interesting points. And once again you put on you sanctimonious attitude.Jim isn't the one with the sanctimonious attitude in this case.
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 01:35:52 PM
Basically, that's what Jim said. There is too many points to go down and debate each one. Especially when some of them are obviously ridiculous.
Jim isn't the one with the sanctimonious attitude in this case.
And you are not a referee.
Post by: Little Joe on November 18, 2020, 01:41:01 PM
And you are not a referee.I thought any of us could post anything here with no moderation. Do we now need titles and ranks?
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 01:54:19 PM
I thought any of us could post anything here with no moderation. Do we now need titles and ranks?
So how are you being moderated?
Post by: Rush on November 18, 2020, 02:06:03 PM
I scanned that and several of his articles. IMHO not worth further time. One could spend days refuting his beliefs, all to no end.
I haven’t scanned any of his other articles but that particular one is spot on. Everything he says is true, they could do all those things to falsely claim the vaccine is working. He isn’t saying they will. But personally I believe they will do something like that. They will think they must make the public believe in it for two reasons. To placate the public and of course to make money from the vaccine, we’re talking billions. In fact the money is so big, that if the vaccine is a failure I’ll say the odds are 100% they will do all those things to cover up that fact.
That is, everything he says is spot on except that the virus hasn’t been proven to exist. I don’t follow that but haven’t read his reasoning yet.
Post by: Little Joe on November 18, 2020, 02:07:58 PM
So how are you being moderated?Why did you feel you had to tell me I’m not a referee? That sounded like you thought my comment was out of place and I didn’t have the authority to make it.
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 02:22:23 PM
Why did you feel you had to tell me I’m not a referee? That sounded like you thought my comment was out of place and I didn’t have the authority to make it.
Explain how that is moderation. Or are you playing the victim again?
Post by: Little Joe on November 18, 2020, 02:55:58 PM
Explain how that is moderation. Or are you playing the victim again?I'm not allowing you to be the bully again.
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 02:58:36 PM
I'm not allowing you to be the bully again.
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Post by: Little Joe on November 18, 2020, 03:07:15 PM
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 03:10:48 PM
I'm not the one that is acting hurt. What got you're panties in a wad?
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Post by: Jim Logajan on November 18, 2020, 04:12:34 PM
I'm not going to go down and debate the article point by point.
I placed it there because he does make some interesting points. And once again you put on you sanctimonious attitude.
You post many links and videos that contain useful facts or otherwise interesting content. Not sure you’ve noticed, but I do sometimes thumbs-up those posts as well as your posts containing only your own thoughts that I think are particularly well articulated and that I agree with.
When I respond to the occasional post you make that links to something I think is bogus or otherwise wrong, it just means I think strongly enough about it to make my opinion known. I think you post informative links more often than most, so simple statistics seems to have me posting more responses to yours. I think on the whole we have similar, though not identical, political goals.
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 08:09:30 PM
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/kristi-noem-the-silent-mask-assassin/
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 08:11:42 PM
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2020, 08:22:31 PM
Post by: nddons on November 19, 2020, 08:13:28 AM
So I started to look into death rates.
In 1933 the US death rate was 1.8%.
In 1960 the US death rate was 1.3%.
In 2018 the US death rate was 0.7%.
So in any given year, 2.6 to 3 million Americans die no matter what.
Given that the vast majority of Covid deaths come with people who are severely compromised already with co-morbidities, will these alleged Covid-caused deaths move the needle up, or will it just blend in with the normal lowering US death rate?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 19, 2020, 08:31:38 AM
I had a debate with someone on a different forum, who was getting his panties in a wad about 250,000 US deaths from the Rona.
So I started to look into death rates.
In 1933 the US death rate was 1.8%.
In 1960 the US death rate was 1.3%.
In 2018 the US death rate was 0.7%.
So in any given year, 2.6 to 3 million Americans die no matter what.
Given that the vast majority of Covid deaths come with people who are severely compromised already with co-morbidities, will these alleged Covid-caused deaths move the needle up, or will it just blend in with the normal lowering US death rate?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
will show slightly higher number of deaths. Note that we had a blip in Jan 2018, so not all excess deaths would necessarily be just because of covid-19 or the over-reacation to covid-19. One option for that graph is to show deaths with/without covid-19 (which isn't the same as saying covid-19 was the cause of death)
Post by: Lucifer on November 19, 2020, 08:33:18 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 19, 2020, 09:31:34 AM
Post by: Username on November 19, 2020, 09:37:24 AM
The current lock downs do have a purpose other than trying to slow down COVID. If they can bring the economy down a notch or ten it will make Biden look good as his Presidency begins. They can stop the lock downs and the economy will show growth and Biden will be proclaimed a genius.Exactly. Note how many of the MSM were saying Trump is a failure... just look at the economy in the past year. Never mind the three years previously. And that democrats are largely responsible for the economy crashing. But they will sure take credit when it turns around.
Post by: Lucifer on November 19, 2020, 05:10:58 PM
https://dcist.com/story/20/11/19/maryland-gov-order-early-release-inmates-pandemic/
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 19, 2020, 05:28:34 PM
Why? Can't they just give them mask?
https://dcist.com/story/20/11/19/maryland-gov-order-early-release-inmates-pandemic/
they need the prison room for those that don't wear masks and for the people who supported Trump.
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 19, 2020, 07:03:57 PM
they need the prison room for those that don't wear masks and for the people who supported Trump.
Isn’t that what the reeducation camps are for?
Post by: Lucifer on November 19, 2020, 07:13:29 PM
Post by: nddons on November 19, 2020, 08:33:17 PM
So seriously, can someone explain the science to letting people out of prison to stop the spread of covid?I’ve asked this since day 1 of this fake crisis. Letting these thugs out is the antithesis of the meaning of quarantine.
Post by: Anthony on November 20, 2020, 02:01:09 AM
I’ve asked this since day 1 of this fake crisis. Letting these thugs out is the antithesis of the meaning of quarantine.
Add the Democrat "leaders" and the f*cking MEDIA saying the thousands of violent rioters, looters and arsonists were fine because they were "protesting". Yet a lot of the Lemming public buys these lies. >:(
Post by: Lucifer on November 20, 2020, 01:23:46 PM
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One thing should be abundantly clear by now, after ten months of this pandemic: our political leaders hate us and they think we’re stupid. Nothing else can explain the blatant hypocrisy we’ve seen, mostly from Democrat governors and mayors who are eager to impose harsh lockdowns and strict rules for the public at large but then turn around and do whatever they please with their own families, friends, and cronies.
Examples abound, but this week brought a fresh spectacle of hypocrisy in the form of a nervous, patently disingenuous apology from California Gov. Gavin Newsom, who was caught dining at an opulent birthday dinner for a top California political operative at a fancy French restaurant in Napa earlier this month, in apparent violation of his own COVID-19 protocols.
The timing couldn’t have been worse. On Monday Newsom announced he was “pulling the emergency brake” on reopening his state amid a spike in COVID cases, dealing a crippling blow to shuttered businesses and out-of-work Californians who have been struggling for months under rolling lockdown orders.
Only after Newsom was widely criticized for his rank hypocrisy did he offer an attenuated mea culpa, explaining that upon his arrival he was surprised to find there were “just a few extra people” at the party, but quickly added it was an “outdoor restaurant” in Napa County, which has looser restrictions compared to other areas of the state. Blinking incessantly and smiling tightly, Newsom finally got around to saying, albeit in the passive voice, that “the spirit of what I’m preaching all the time was contradicted.” Indeed it was, governor.
Gov. Gavin Newsom apologizes for attending party at French Laundry: "We're all human. We all fall short sometimes." pic.twitter.com/GPegzxt0dl
— The Hill (@thehill) November 17, 2020
But then we come to find out this week that the dinner wasn’t outdoors at all. Pictures obtained by the Fox News affiliate in Los Angeles show Newsom and a bunch of others dining at the French Laundry restaurant in Yountville, California. They are obviously not outside, not social distancing, and not wearing masks.
The woman who took the photos told the Fox affiliate that Newsom was with a “very large group of people shoulder to shoulder,” and that she was “surprised because it didn’t look like he was uncomfortable being there until the very end, until people were looking at him and staring at him as he was leaving the room.”
EXCLUSIVE: We've obtained photos of Governor Gavin Newsom at the Napa dinner party he's in hot water over. The photos call into question just how outdoors the dinner was. A witness who took photos tells us his group was so loud, the sliding doors had to be closed. 10pm on @FOXLA pic.twitter.com/gtOVEwa864
— Bill Melugin (@BillFOXLA) November 18, 2020
But it doesn’t end there! On Wednesday, Politico reported that two top officials with the California Medical Association were among the guests at Newsom’s fancy birthday dinner.
You might think the state’s top medical lobbyists would think twice about flagrantly disregarding COVID guidelines, or even feign an apology like Newsom, but no. A spokesman for the CMA told Politico that “the dinner was held in accordance with state and county guidelines,” which prohibit more than three households from gathering privately—but do allow restaurants to seat people from more than three households together. See?
Apparently this is a pretty common attitude among California politicians and their lobbyist buddies. With much of their state locked down by government fiat, last week a bunch of state lawmakers and corporate lobbyists flew off to Hawaii for a five-day conference and schmooze-fest at an upscale Maui resort. Legislators and their families mingled with representatives of businesses and trade groups that paid thousands of dollars for access to the lawmakers in what has become an annual lobbying tradition—even during a global pandemic!
Dan Howle, chairman and executive director of the Independent Voter Project, which hosts the conference, didn’t apologize. He told the San Francisco Chronicle, “Somebody has to be first to say, ‘OK, we’re going to do a group event safely.’” Yes, Dan, somebody does has to be the first, and why shouldn’t it be a handful of powerful politicians and corporate lobbyists instead of, you know, ordinary people trying to salvage their businesses and visit their loved ones?
Lockdowns For Thee, But Not For Me
On and on it goes. Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot, who issued a citywide stay-at-home order last week, defended her recent appearance at a massive street rally celebrating Biden’s apparent victory, where a mask-less Lightfoot addressed the crowd through a bullhorn.
.@chicagosmayor Lightfoot defends celebrating Biden’s Election Day in the streets despite her own rules against mass gatherings: "That crowd was gathered whether I was there or not." pic.twitter.com/MR81LnHfa7
— Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) November 13, 2020
When asked about the obvious double standard on MCNBC last week, Lightfoot was defensive, insisting that, “There are times when we do need to have relief and come together, and I felt like that was one of those times.” She added, as if it excuses her hypocrisy, “That crowd was gathered whether I was there or not.”
Seemingly everywhere you look you find people in positions of power ignoring pandemic restrictions and doing as they please. Often these are the same people who are most outspoken about the need for lockdowns.
Back in September, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was defiant after being caught on camera (mask-less, of course) at a shuttered San Francisco salon in violation of a citywide lockdown order, calling it a “setup” and refusing to apologize.
Then last week, Pelosi was forced to cancel a dinner for incoming Democratic House members after a viral tweet showing tables being set up for the soiree understandably provoked outrage. “It’s very spaced,” she explained to an NBC News reporter.
The truth is, our elites have been doing this since the pandemic began. Who knows how many ordinary Americans were barred from attending the funerals and burials of their beloved dead these past months? Yet thousands were allowed to gather in July for memorials of Rep. John Lewis, in services that stretched from Alabama to Washington, D.C. Thousands were allowed to gather for George Floyd’s memorial service in June in Minneapolis.
We all saw the way the media treated Trump rallies like COVID super-spreader events yet condoned the hundreds of large-scale protests over the summer and fall in cities all across the country under the idiotic pretense that the protesters were “all wearing masks.” Same with the post-election celebrations that brought out thousands, dancing in the streets cheek-by-jowl and passing around champagne bottles.
The crowd outside the White House singing Sweet Caroline. It smells like pot and there are bottles of champagne popping. pic.twitter.com/VUHfS8rgSy
— Shannon Pettypiece (@spettypi) November 7, 2020
Again, there is only one possible conclusion you can reach, based on months and months of appalling hypocrisy from the media and our ruling elite: they think lockdowns are for you, not them. They think pandemic rules are for you, not them. They think suffering hardships and doing as you’re told are for you, not them. Why? Because they hate you and think you’re stupid.
Post by: Lucifer on November 20, 2020, 01:25:40 PM
Post by: Lucifer on November 23, 2020, 02:55:27 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-health-secretary-issues-one-night-suspension-alcohol-sales-starting-night-thanksgiving/
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Pennsylvania Health Secretary Dr. “Rachel” Levine issued a one-night suspension of alcohol sales on Wednesday, just one day before Thanksgiving.
The Democrats have brought back the prohibition in order to combat Covid, because science.
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Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 23, 2020, 03:43:34 PM
Post by: nddons on November 23, 2020, 03:46:02 PM
Post by: Number7 on November 23, 2020, 08:35:51 PM
Stupid on steroids
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/pennsylvania-health-secretary-issues-one-night-suspension-alcohol-sales-starting-night-thanksgiving/
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Moronic, mental case... why wouldn't imbecile democrats make it their medical leader???
Because.... because... because...
Oh, yeah.... science.
Post by: Mr Pou on November 24, 2020, 05:32:15 AM
Moronic, mental case... why wouldn't imbecile democrats make it their medical leader???
Because.... because... because...
Oh, yeah.... science.
Because....trendy. Look at us, LBGTQAI in government. We're so progressive, look at us.
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The WHOLE problem now is the left and media have conditioned people to go with feelings instead of logic and thinking things through. Logic leads to sound financial and political choices, feelings almost always end up in poor choices. Choices one tends to regret later in life.
Post by: Rush on November 24, 2020, 05:56:03 AM
The WHOLE problem now is the left and media have conditioned people to go with feelings instead of logic and thinking things through. Logic leads to sound financial and political choices, feelings almost always end up in poor choices. Choices one tends to regret later in life.
Number 1 rule of life.
Post by: Lucifer on November 25, 2020, 07:27:27 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 25, 2020, 07:51:07 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-says-a-lot-of-money-and-strict-measures-needed-to-let-schools-reopen_3592985.html
Post by: Rush on November 25, 2020, 08:59:37 AM
https://rationalground.com/scientific-american-unintentionally-argues-against-lockdowns/
I used to love Scientific American back when I was young. It is nothing but trash now. So sad.
Post by: Username on November 25, 2020, 09:12:55 AM
I used to love Scientific American back when I was young. It is nothing but trash now. So sad.Scientific American was kind of strange. If an article was about something I knew about, it was too simple. if it was about something unfamiliar, it was too technical. I did REALLY enjoy Martin Gardner's Mathemagical games in the back of the magazine. That made it worth the cover price. It's now a dirty shadow of its former glory. I'm afraid that Wired is heading in the same direction.
Post by: Lucifer on November 25, 2020, 09:58:28 AM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks
Post by: Lucifer on November 25, 2020, 10:03:52 AM
https://twitter.com/paul_dowsley/status/1331458499243511808
Post by: Rush on November 25, 2020, 10:41:12 AM
Prepare to see hell break loose in NM.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/new-mexico-governor-shuts-down-grocery-stores-for-two-weeks
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Access to purchase food is now limited because of another order issued by the governor requiring capacity limitations at all stores. New Mexicans are now waiting outside, standing in line for up to two hours, local news reports indicate, which the governor’s office has disputed.
The governor’s office said, “The state is not forcing anyone to stand in a crowded line, as you suggest,” in response to requests for comment from KOB4 News TV.
How much more out of touch with real people can you be? Politicians are out of control. We need full on revolution. Again.
Post by: Anthony on November 25, 2020, 12:17:05 PM
How much more out of touch with real people can you be? Politicians are out of control. We need full on revolution. Again.
They think they are Royalty. It must be stopped.
Post by: Lucifer on November 26, 2020, 06:53:53 AM
Supreme Court strikes down Cuomo’s fascist church order
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/breaking-gorsuch-smokes-roberts-supreme-court-strikes-down-cuomos-fascist-church-order/
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The Supreme Court late Wednesday night granted requests from the Roman Catholic Diocese of Brooklyn and two Orthodox Jewish synagogues to block enforcement of a New York executive order restricting attendance at houses of worship. Both the diocese and the synagogues claimed that the executive order violated the right to the free exercise of religion guaranteed by the First Amendment, particularly when secular businesses in the area are allowed to remain open. Wednesday’s orders by a closely divided Supreme Court, which had turned down two similar requests over the summer by churches in California and Nevada, represented a clear rightward shift on the court since Justice Amy Coney Barrett replaced Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died in September.
Five conservative justices – Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Barrett – sided with the religious groups and blocked the attendance limits. Chief Justice John Roberts, along with Justices Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, dissented
Post by: nddons on November 26, 2020, 07:32:37 AM
These fuckers literally won’t be happy until they see the soup lines we saw during the depression.
How much more out of touch with real people can you be? Politicians are out of control. We need full on revolution. Again.
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Post by: bflynn on November 26, 2020, 09:10:21 AM
So there you have it, yet again Roberts sides with the liberals.
Supreme Court strikes down Cuomo’s fascist church order
https://www.citizenfreepress.com/breaking/breaking-gorsuch-smokes-roberts-supreme-court-strikes-down-cuomos-fascist-church-order/
Probably should clarify what the ruling was since the link's title is misleading. They did not strike down the governor's order, this is a stay of execution while it it being litigated. The Court did not make a decision on the merits. They merely said that because the plaintiffs cannot later be made whole, the governor's order must be temporarily suspended.
It's all still pending the appeals court decision and potentially a later SCOTUS decision.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 26, 2020, 01:02:04 PM
Post by: Lucifer on November 26, 2020, 01:47:30 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 26, 2020, 07:48:02 PM
We know several of the employees at the close one by name and enjoy talking to them. The movie we saw tonight is a new release, "The Croods, A New Age" and we went to see it on their one big screen auditorium. It probably seats well over two hundred.
We had a private screening and I'm guessing there were maybe twelve cars in the parking lot. The folks that work there enjoy what they are doing and want to be working. They have procedures in place to protect their customers. They sanitize the auditorium after each showing.
Many movies ready to release back in the spring are still being held back. People have become so scared. I know there are those on the left that just want to pay people not to work. These people don't want that, they want to work.
Post by: Anthony on November 27, 2020, 02:32:05 AM
Many movies ready to release back in the spring are still being held back. People have become so scared. I know there are those on the left that just want to pay people not to work. These people don't want that, they want to work.
As we all know, when government pays people not to work they get lazy and entitled, plus they don't have the social interaction with people as much so many withdraw. Government also then has more control over them because they are now dependent as they don't generate their own value anymore. Many if not most people want to be productive and independent.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 27, 2020, 05:47:17 AM
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Post by: Lucifer on November 27, 2020, 07:46:05 AM
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Post by: Rush on November 27, 2020, 09:25:44 PM
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304258
Fake news.
Here are the real facts:
1. Trump indicated HCQ might have promise
2. Orange man bad
3. Therefore HCQ is useless against covid
4. The authors of that study are racist
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 27, 2020, 10:17:36 PM
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920304258
Will be added to the growing pile of studies showing HCQ is effective. These researchers have been keeping track of all the studies: https://c19study.com/ (https://c19study.com/)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 28, 2020, 06:20:08 AM
Fake news.
Here are the real facts:
1. Trump indicated HCQ might have promise
2. Orange man bad
3. Therefore HCQ is useless against covid
4. The authors of that study are racist
yeah, what (sleathy president-elect) Rush said...
Post by: Lucifer on November 30, 2020, 04:54:45 PM
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The COVID Case Con Continues
By Brian C. Joondeph, M.D.
As many Americans recover from their “virtual Thanksgiving,” sharing prayers and turkey across the internet, the media is pushing their November propaganda narrative, that Dementia Joe really won the presidential election and that COVID cases are once again surging across America.
The Washington Post claims that Wuhan coronavirus cases are “skyrocketing” while the New York Times wails that “It has hit us with a vengeance.” Yet the media is oblivious, either ignorantly or deliberately, to the reality that positive tests are not the same thing as cases.
A “case” has a very specific definition, apparently beyond the intellectual realm of Wolf Blitzer or Neil Cavuto. The CDC provides a specific “case definition.” A case is not just a positive test. Instead, what is needed is "presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence." Notice the AND, meaning not simply a positive test.
The current COVID surges are positive tests, and even those are suspect, without regard to whether those who test positive are actually sick or not. I was curious about drive-by testing and last weekend gave it a whirl. It only took about 20 minutes and was free, meaning I got what I paid for. Results were promised within three days but took just over seven days to find out that I was virus free.
Given the sensitivity of the COVID PCR test, it is likely that some of those being tested, without any symptoms or exposure, will be reported as test positive and added to the case tickers running constantly on Fox News and CNN.
Saying someone with a positive COVID test is a “case” is fraudulent. For comparison, blood glucose has an upper test limit of 140. Is everyone above that number a diabetic? Even if they just ate a doughnut or ice cream cone before testing? Or does it take more than a single blood glucose level before one is diagnosed with diabetes? Does a single elevated blood pressure test make one hypertensive? Certainly not.
COVID is tested using PCR which amplifies any viral fragments found in the nose repeatedly until the test is positive. This is called the amplification cycle and the higher that number the more likely a positive test will be returned, even if it is clinically insignificant.
From that bastion of right-wing conspiracy, the New York Times,
The standard tests are diagnosing huge numbers of people who may be carrying relatively insignificant amounts of the virus.
Most of these people are not likely to be contagious, and identifying them may contribute to bottlenecks that prevent those who are contagious from being found in time.
The amplification cycle is the problem.
The PCR test amplifies genetic matter from the virus in cycles; the fewer cycles required, the greater the amount of virus, or viral load, in the sample. The greater the viral load, the more likely the patient is to be contagious.
With too high an amplification cycle, the PCR test is hyper-sensitive. Most commercial tests set this threshold at 40, whereas it would be more clinical meaningful if much lower, say at 30. Otherwise as the NY Times notes,
Tests with thresholds so high may detect not just live virus but also genetic fragments, leftovers from infection that pose no particular risk — akin to finding a hair in a room long after a person has left.
The CDC admits the test is too sensitive,
The CDC’s own calculations suggest that it is extremely difficult to detect any live virus in a sample above a threshold of 33 cycles.
In Massachusetts, from 85 to 90 percent of people who tested positive in July with a cycle threshold of 40 would have been deemed negative if the threshold were 30 cycles.
Garbage in, garbage out. With an overly sensitive test, almost 90 percent of the so-called surge is fake news, fear porn to justify unnecessary lockdowns and business closures.
This is easily understandable basic science and arithmetic, not string theory. If the CDC and NY Times can figure it out and acknowledge it, other “journalists” can as well and should be asking questions and providing caveats to their surge reporting rather than their typical hair on fire reactions.
Also unmentioned by the media is the fact that PCR testing was not designed as a test to screen for viral infection. Don’t take my word for it. That’s the opinion of Kary Mullis who invented PCR and won a Nobel Prize for his efforts.
Beyond cases, when we look at deaths, we see the same 3-card monte. Remember last spring when we heard about deaths rather than cases? Fox news had a death ticker sidebar just as they might have a Dow ticker running during the business day.
Death counts are back in vogue, each and every one blamed on President Trump, even the deaths cause by NY Governor Cuomo sending infected patients into nursing homes. We are told that COVID is killing hundreds of thousands.
Johns Hopkins University recently published a study which found,
In contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.
In other words, the same number of people died this year compared to last year, with the only variable this year being the Wuhan virus.
It seems deaths due to heart and respiratory disease, influenza, and pneumonia are down this year, the difference made up in deaths attributed to COVID, but the total number of deaths unchanged from last year to this year. Such a study is certainly inconvenient to the “shut it all down” narrative and not surprisingly John Hopkins deleted the study from their website.
Perhaps message crafting is related to financial contributions to Johns Hopkins, whether from China or the $1.8 billion from failed presidential candidate and Trump hater Michael Bloomberg. Hopkins’ motto is, “The truth will set you free.” But to paraphrase Orwell, some truths are more equal than others.
The ruling classes and their media allies are happy to play loose with COVID numbers, cherry picking and massaging the data to create fear. For many reasons.
COVID fear was used as an election campaign issue, blaming everything on Trump. It served as an excuse for mail-in ballots and last-minute changes to electoral laws favoring Sleepy Joe Biden. Shutdowns, masks, and distancing are a way of wannabe dictator governors to flex their power, lest the hoi polloi become restless and protest electoral fraud. In the quest for safety and security, American must relinquish freedom and liberty.
It’s almost as if this was all planned out, part of a grand scheme for the administrative state to subversively take over the government, rather than through free elections seeking the consent of the governed.
Keep your eye on the case numbers, which are simply positive tests, perpetuating the big con that things are far worse than they really are.
Post by: Lucifer on December 02, 2020, 05:10:06 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 02, 2020, 05:54:47 AM
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Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 04, 2020, 02:37:50 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 04, 2020, 02:40:03 PM
Saw where they are floating a $1,500 stimulus if you get the vaccine. How do they do that without violating the Constitution?
and what will they do about people who can't get the vaccine?
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2020, 02:42:38 PM
and what will they do about people who can't get the vaccine?
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Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 04, 2020, 03:22:20 PM
Revolt!!!!
Post by: Lucifer on December 05, 2020, 07:19:57 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 05, 2020, 07:21:32 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 05, 2020, 08:52:51 AM
https://www.witn.com/2020/12/04/alabama-wwii-veteran-beats-covid-19-in-time-for-104th-birthday/
Post by: Rush on December 05, 2020, 09:15:10 AM
Someone needs to tell this guy he has zero chance of survival.
https://www.witn.com/2020/12/04/alabama-wwii-veteran-beats-covid-19-in-time-for-104th-birthday/
I heard that the average age of covid death is two years older than the overall average lifespan. So I guess that’s proof that covid actually extends your life.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 05, 2020, 09:48:27 AM
I heard that the average age of covid death is two years older than the overall average lifespan. So I guess that’s proof that covid actually extends your life.
for some reason, I don't think that's how it works...
Post by: nddons on December 05, 2020, 10:15:20 AM
I heard that the average age of covid death is two years older than the overall average lifespan. So I guess that’s proof that covid actually extends your life.Brilliant!!!
Post by: nddons on December 05, 2020, 10:17:33 AM
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Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 08, 2020, 09:09:33 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 08, 2020, 09:34:17 AM
Post by: nddons on December 08, 2020, 11:04:04 AM
Dropped my wife at the salon this morning and then off to run a couple of quick errands. First stop, O'Reilly Auto Parts for an oil filter. Next was Publix to pick up a couple of things. Been shopping there since the shit show started sans mask. Head in the door this morning and they are once again cleaning carts. Girl asks if I need a mask, I say no thanks. She tells me I'm not allowed in the store without wearing a mask. I said thanks, see ya.Shouldn’t flight crews, especially flight attendants, be dropping dead or filling the ICUs due to Covid? If anyone in society is at greater risk than a nurse, it’s a flight attendant.
Anyone hear of airlines dropping flights due to crew illnesses?
I didn’t think so.
Post by: Number7 on December 08, 2020, 11:05:18 AM
Just like always.
Post by: Anthony on December 08, 2020, 11:06:56 AM
Shouldn’t flight crews, especially flight attendants, be dropping dead or filling the ICUs due to Covid? If anyone in society is at greater risk than a nurse, it’s a flight attendant.
Anyone hear of airlines dropping flights due to crew illnesses?
I didn’t think so.
Grocery stores, Supermarkets and big box hardware stores like Home Depot and Lowes have been operating since the beginning. Shouldn't those employees by dropping too?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 08, 2020, 11:51:29 AM
Had to have a Covid test today for a medical procedure I’m having next week, and voiced to the tech my feelings about this virus scare being used to subdue and divide America and profit China, etc. She looked me right in the eye and said she agreed with all my concerns! THIS IS BEING POLITICIZED!!!! The test kits are MADE IN CHINA!!!!
Revolt!!!!
Bump for Professor Origami Stones.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 08, 2020, 11:53:34 AM
Grocery stores, Supermarkets and big box hardware stores like Home Depot and Lowes have been operating since the beginning. Shouldn't those employees by dropping too?
of course not, they've been using masks, one-way aisles, and those big X's on the floor for social distancing.
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2020, 03:49:19 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2020, 04:15:14 PM
The Usefulness of COVID-19 Fear
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There is a COVID-19 virus; however, COVID is not more dangerous than all other flu-like viruses that impact the respiratory system. COVID-19 is very manageable and doesn’t carry a higher fatality rate. [Usefulness As A Narrative]
Why is COVID-19 being disproportionately hyped as such a dangerous threat, when the reality of the statistical danger is much less than the intense level of hype?… That is the key question.
The answer is… social changes under the guise of COVID-19 mitigation, are the entry point for the goals and aspirations of the political left on a national and global scale. COVID-19 is a virus, but also a very important political weapon, and we are about to discover exactly what the purpose of the hype is all about. What follows will help understand; and when you encounter the fear it will help to reconcile what people cannot figure out.
Joe Biden is an avatar; a political pawn; a cognitively declining guy who has no idea what is happening around him. The people behind the Biden campaign, those in real control of what this is about, have not hidden their goals and aspirations. These are not stupid people. They are scheming, conniving, ever-planning, ever-manipulating & Machiavellian types within the political system; lusting for power, influence and affluence.
What they are planning to do is weaponize COVID-19 to attain ideological objectives. This is why they hyped the fear within it for almost a year. Nothing within their plan requires the approval or consent of any representative body in Washington DC. COVID is the tool to “fundamentally change” the way the United States exists.
On October 23rd, those behind the Biden campaign dropped all pretense, openly having their candidate state publicly his intention to control the lives of all Americans using the authority of a weaponized federal government to advance national COVID-19 regulations.
As you watch this video from Biden’s campaign it is important to remember state government officials have already moved to define “essential businesses” and “essential workers” during the forced shut-downs. That is going to become a bigger issue downstream; however, for now just watch closely what Joe Biden is saying here:
The Dept of Transportation would be the agency enforcing a national interstate transit mask requirement. However, don’t focus on the DoT part of what he was saying… that’s only one creek… Instead focus on the downstream use of all federal regulatory agencies and how they align within a Federal COVID compliance network… that’s the river.
Think about the Dept of Agriculture (SNAP/food stamps), the Dept. of Labor, the Dept of Education, the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA), Housing and Urban Development, Health and Human Services, Dept of Labor, Dept of Energy and how they would join with the DoT to create the aggregate raging river of regulation.
Think about the federal government using mandates for enforced national COVID-19 compliance rules. Think about USDA (Dept of Agriculture) and OSHA federal inspections for social distancing (etc) in all businesses, not just restaurants.
Think about the COVID-19 regulatory and compliance system and what political beneficiaries stand to gain.
Think about the Dept of Education using COVID to restructure the way education is taught and the downstream regulations on charter schools and non-compliant educational systems that do not meet the ideological objectives of the master control plan.
Think about how the Dept. of Labor (complaint division) can be weaponized against political opposition based on arbitrary inspections under the guise of employee health and safety…. using federal COVID compliance rules.
Think about required days off for the entire employee base if a single infection is identified in the workplace. Paid days off…. funded by Federal Government. Think about how that changes the income dependency dynamic.
Think about the larger Green New Deal (goals and objectives), and then contrast those objectives while aligning an overlay map of how federal COVID mitigation rules can be applied as a back door to the EXACT SAME objective.
Far beyond masks…. Workspaces being forced to be redesigned. New rules on labor density. New rules on labor/manufacturing and office proximity. New rules on uniforms. New rules on hand-washing stations. New rules on sick pay, shift hours, time-off when a COVID infection is detected in the workplace.
Think about everything from rules on surfaces, to rules on packaging, to rules on ALL business operations as an outcome of federal regulatory policy under the guise of CVOID-19 mitigation. OSHA, Labor, Agriculture, Transportation, Energy, Education, Housing, Health and Human Services, and even federal building permits… the entire regulatory system and compliance network.
Think about Housing and Urban Development (HUD) having new rules about dwellings and complexes for housing grants. Population density; the need to move into the suburbs and the confiscation of private property to “ensure the common safety” of the citizens.
If you think this is fear-mongering, I want to to evaluate that cynicism while contemplating this recent example from California:
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Think about those types of business regulations applied on a National level…. and then, as seen in prior Democrat administrations with IRS etc, think about them also being enforced through the prism of political affiliation.
Think about how states that refuse to participate will be cut off from federal grants and funding for college tuition, Medicare and/or medicaid reimbursement, etc. etc.
Think about what happens to Main Street USA?
Think about companies on the NASDAQ or national companies on the stock-market?
Think about how those USA-specific federal COVID compliance regulations apply when considering U.S. business operations -vs- just taking operations overseas without those worries.
Think about who in Washington DC then takes control of what types of business interests are allowed to operation…. who determines the winning and losing.
Think about how Federal COVID-19 regulations can be used to put the multinational corporate world back (the globalists) on their former financial pathways, even without TPP and TTIP trade deals.
[Every domestic regulation weaponized against Main Street USA is a win for the Wall Street multinationals.]
Think about how much China and Europe would love to see our economy knee-capped in a Biden regulatory stranglehold; essentially achieving the same objectives as the Paris Climate Treaty.
Think long and hard about how far the tentacles of achieving the Green New Deal can extend under the auspices of federal COVID-19 mitigation.
Remember, those who are working on this don’t care about the middle-class and they have not for decades. The visibility of the ‘rust belt’ is the reference. This is about government bureaucrats using their DC power-base to control trillions in economic value and sell their ability to influence the winners and losers to the highest foreign bidder.
Look at what blue states have already done to seize power and control. Now think about that same manipulative intent spread throughout the entire country by weaponizing federal agencies with advanced regulation.
That should start to frame the reference point going forward. Remember, within totalitarian states religion is a risk… the assembly for religious worship is always considered a risk to by those who demand control over free-thought and lives.
The national legislative priority will be entirely focused on retention of that power system by generating an entirely new form of congressional representation. New states, new senators, new election systems, and funding for the needs of the executive…. that will be the focus of the facilitating legislative branch.
Those behind the executive branch; those controlling Joe Biden; will harness and weaponize the power. The legislative leftists will attempt to ensure the new systems they create under the guise of COVID-19 are never in a position to be withdrawn.
Why? – Why all of this effort?… why such extremes?… why would blue state governors willingly destroy their economy?…. Follow the money, it’s always about the money.
The global ideology is worthless without money. Wall Street’s Rick Santelli knows, he’s watching the second deployment of an identical playbook.
So when your friends ask why, let’s talk about ‘why‘.
The response to the opportunity of the financial crisis of 2007/2008 was about using the housing market collapse to create a financial mechanism to bail-out Blue Team members.
TARP, Auto-bailouts, QE1, QE2 and the stimulus packages were specifically directed to the controlled crony capitalists who funded the rise of the previous tool, Barack Obama.
In 2009 the orcs were deployed. Beyond the Wall Street crowd, the SEIU, AFL-CIO, AFSCME, NEA were some of the more visible politically activist beneficiaries. There was a massive hole in the U.S. economy and all the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) funds were specifically targeted to ensure the Blue Team did not suffer.
Winners and losers were selected. Overall Main Street didn’t get a dime.
In 2020, we are seeing the exact same operational execution around COVID-19. This time the crisis is a virus and the planned primary beneficiaries are the Blue Team states and their collapsing and unstable financial mechanisms.
The American electorate (writ large) would never support targeted taxpayer funded bailouts to Blue State beneficiaries. As a consequence, the crisis needs to hit Main Street so that public support for massive bailouts can be accepted.
Nancy Pelosi sets up the proposal, takes the accounting of the Blue Team needs, and sits down with inside party club members to organize the funding mechanisms.
Obviously, all of this big picture outcome is contingent upon successful execution of President Trump’s removal… hence, the firm-reliance on election fraud. The transparency of the fraud needs to be obfuscated, denied and ridiculed; that’s where the media come in.
Meanwhile, Blue State teams work earnestly to create a worsening financial crisis for the American electorate, the workers and business owners. Shutting down the economy is part of a coordinated effort.
When do both wings of the UniParty bird most visibly flap in unison?
ANSWER: When they get to the part of the playbook where ‘their tribe’ starts positioning for the trough.
Yes, COVID-19 as a weapon has many benefits… including the purposefully convenient stopping of assemblies, crowds and visible public opposition as the larger schemes are deployed hastily.
BIG TECH steps-in to assist the goal of isolating the electorate by shutting down voices and keeping people isolated from larger community understanding. Communication lines are cut, as they would be in any war strategy. Dividing people has many benefits.
As soon as enough pressure is applied to Main Street, the electorate get desperate. There will be an outcry for help and that is where House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is waiting in the wings with the previously constructed bailout package that the American people will now be more apt to support. Opposition voices will be framed as heartless; the media will immediately jump into action; and we go right into that cycle were fearful people do not stop to recognize the financial strategy as it is carried out.
The Blue Team state bailout will come at the top of a massive 2020 COVID federal spending package. As with the previous 2009 spending package, it will be gift-wrapped in paper to appear like Main Street is a beneficiary… However, just like the ARRA, there will be no ‘shovel ready jobs‘ saved or created. It is all a ruse for a transfer of taxpayer wealth.
The weaponization of COVID is the ongoing crisis that will facilitate the government solutions. As the American people resist the bait represented by the COVID crisis, those who need to weaponize it will keep turning up the pressure.
That pressure will continue until the American people can no longer take it and will accept the solution. We are watching deployment of an identical playbook used previously to bail-out Wall Street, Big Banks and political benefactors/beneficiaries in 2009.
COVID crisis 2020 replaces the housing/banking crisis 2008.
Pelosi repackages the TARP strategy as a COVID response.
States are bailed out in 2020 like the Too Big to Fail banks in 2008.
Union leadership benefit as they did in the 2008 operation.
…And the great reset begins.
That’s the why.
Post by: Anthony on December 10, 2020, 05:27:01 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 10, 2020, 05:46:41 PM
Post by: Rush on December 10, 2020, 06:12:51 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2020, 08:21:28 PM
Post by: Rush on December 10, 2020, 08:30:46 PM
I love him. He’s sexy too.
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 10, 2020, 08:31:27 PM
Duck Duck Go "Pfizer Bell's Palsey"
Here's the report:
https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download (https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download)
The relevant paragraph:
"Safety data from approximately 38,000 participants≥16 years of age randomized 1:1 to vaccine or placebo with a median of 2 months of follow up after the second dose suggest a favorable safety profile, with no specific safety concerns identified that would preclude issuance of an EUA. Available safety data from all participants enrolled through the November 14, 2020 data cut-off ( N=43,252, which includes late enrollment of additional adolescent and adult participants), was consistent with the safety profile for the approximately 38,000 participants with median follow-up of 2 months and also did not raise specific safety concerns. The most common solicited adverse reactions were injection site reactions (84.1%), fatigue (62.9%),headache (55.1%), muscle pain (38.3%), chills (31.9%), joint pain (23.6%), fever (14.2%); severe adverse reactions occurred in 0.0% to 4.6% of participants, were more frequent after Dose 2 than after Dose 1, and were generally less frequent in participants≥55 years of age (≤2.8%) as compared to younger participants (≤4.6%). The frequency of serious adverse events was low (<0.5%), without meaningful imbalances between study arms. Among non-serious unsolicited adverse events, there was a numerical imbalance of four cases of Bell’s palsy in the vaccine group compared with no cases in the placebo group, though the four cases in the vaccine group do not represent a frequency above that expected in the general population. Otherwise, there were no notable patterns or numerical imbalances between treatment groups for specific categories of non-serious adverse events (including other neurologic, neuro-inflammatory, and thrombotic events) that would suggest a causal relationship to BNT162b2 vaccine. With the exception of more frequent, generally mild to moderate reactogenicity in participants <55 years of age, the safety profile of BNT162b2 was generally similar across age groups, genders, ethnic and racial groups, participants with or without medical comorbidities, and participants with or without evidence of prior SARS-CoV-2 infection at enrollment."
Bell's Palsy quick explanation, from https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/bells-palsy/symptoms-causes/syc-20370028 (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/bells-palsy/symptoms-causes/syc-20370028):
"The symptoms of Bell's palsy include sudden weakness in your facial muscles. In most cases, the weakness is temporary and significantly improves over weeks. The weakness makes half of your face appear to droop. Your smile is one-sided, and your eye on that side resists closing.
Bell's palsy, also known as acute peripheral facial palsy of unknown cause, can occur at any age. The exact cause is unknown. It's believed to be the result of swelling and inflammation of the nerve that controls the muscles on one side of your face. Or it might be a reaction that occurs after a viral infection.
For most people, Bell's palsy is temporary. Symptoms usually start to improve within a few weeks, with complete recovery in about six months. A small number of people continue to have some Bell's palsy symptoms for life. Rarely, Bell's palsy can recur."
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 10, 2020, 08:33:43 PM
I love him. He’s sexy too.
Is it the eye patch? Asking for a friend.
Post by: Rush on December 10, 2020, 08:37:58 PM
Is it the eye patch? Asking for a friend.
It doesn’t hurt, but isn’t necessary.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on December 10, 2020, 09:45:29 PM
It doesn’t hurt, but isn’t necessary.
It's the car, right? Chicks love the car.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 11, 2020, 07:05:12 AM
Is it the eye patch? Asking for a friend.
It’s the conservative values and unflinching directness in pointing out the truth. Swoon.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 11, 2020, 07:09:03 AM
It's the car, right? Chicks love the car.
Nope. I once turned down a guy who asked me for a date ... turned him down almost solely because he had a Corvette. Not the kind of priorities in life that I value.
I say “almost” because he had acquired the Corvette with the proceeds of a lawsuit he won relating to a motorcycle accident. Hmmm.
Post by: nddons on December 11, 2020, 08:38:04 AM
It’s the conservative values and unflinching directness in pointing out the truth. Swoon.Hey, I would have been a Navy SEAL too. I just don’t like being cold, wet or sandy.
Post by: Rush on December 11, 2020, 08:43:00 AM
It’s the conservative values and unflinching directness in pointing out the truth. Swoon.
Thank you. What she said.
And he’s also cute. With or without the eye patch although the patch does add a bit of enhancement, kind of like a scar. A sign that a man has survived violence which I think women find attractive because it signals strength and resilience. But he’d be just as cute if he got a glass eye and plastic surgery to make the injury undetectable. It’s mostly the way he is fearlessly standing against evil.
Well, plus he’s just cute as hell. Donald Trump is fearlessly standing against evil too and while I’m totally in love with him, I don’t find him sexually attractive. Even as a young man, he’s just not my type and wouldn’t be even with an eye patch.
Post by: Rush on December 11, 2020, 08:48:42 AM
It's the car, right? Chicks love the car.
Not me. I couldn’t care less about cars. I’d rather the man not blow money on fancy cars. That way he could afford an airplane for example.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 11, 2020, 10:34:27 AM
Our Pastor had an email sent out proclaiming the surge and possibility of discontinuing in house worship. I think maybe twenty go on any given Sunday, masks are required, meaning I do not go. He mentioned the whole thing about groups larger than 10.
We all know that once you have eleven people together the virus attacks with a vengeance.
Post by: Rush on December 11, 2020, 10:56:04 AM
Some observations from my local area. Had breakfast at Cracker Barrel this morning. Asked the server if business was down, she said it indeed it. I've also noticed a visible reduction in traffic, not as bad as back in March, but less than we've seen lately.
Our Pastor had an email sent out proclaiming the surge and possibility of discontinuing in house worship. I think maybe twenty go on any given Sunday, masks are required, meaning I do not go. He mentioned the whole thing about groups larger than 10.
We all know that once you have eleven people together the virus attacks with a vengeance.
I saw a post, it was a twitter comment I think I wish I had saved the link. In response to some of this shutdown nonsense. The guy said, "I didn't fight two wars and lose both my legs to come home and be told I can't have more than 6 people over for Thanksgiving". And his picture he had two of those thin springy prosthetic legs.
Damn. Did him and all the other vets sacrifice like that for NOTHING? We better root out this evil or it will all be for nothing.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 11, 2020, 07:32:52 PM
I saw a post, it was a twitter comment I think I wish I had saved the link. In response to some of this shutdown nonsense. The guy said, "I didn't fight two wars and lose both my legs to come home and be told I can't have more than 6 people over for Thanksgiving". And his picture he had two of those thin springy prosthetic legs.
Damn. Did him and all the other vets sacrifice like that for NOTHING? We better root out this evil or it will all be for nothing.
Hate to say it, the likely answer is yes. If we lose the runoffs in Georgia it will be as Schumer, "we change America" They can taste it this time and will likely not let this opportunity get by them. Schumer will likely do away with the filibuster altogether so it will only take a 51 votes to pass anything.
Post by: Lucifer on December 11, 2020, 07:48:03 PM
Hate to say it, the likely answer is yes. If we lose the runoffs in Georgia it will be as Schumer, "we change America" They can taste it this time and will likely not let this opportunity get by them. Schumer will likely do away with the filibuster altogether so it will only take a 51 vote to pass anything.
That, pack the supreme court and admit PR and DC as states giving dims 4 more seats in the senate.
With a handful of states being permitted to corrupt our national elections at will with no recourse against them, the dims are on their march to one party rule.
Post by: Rush on December 11, 2020, 07:56:47 PM
This county is done, stick a fork in it.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 11, 2020, 09:07:21 PM
Okay, Rush, here’s a soothing (?) video in case you can’t sleep tonight. 😊
Post by: Anthony on December 12, 2020, 03:58:15 AM
They will OPENLY CHEAT in the runoff and fucking flaunt it. They’ve been given the green light to do so by none other than the U.S. Supreme Court.
This county is done, stick a fork in it.
Looks that way. Next some more "mass shootings" to justify taking our legally owned guns but only from the law abiding.
Post by: Lucifer on December 13, 2020, 07:03:42 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 13, 2020, 07:39:15 AM
Looks that way. Next some more "mass shootings" to justify taking our legally owned guns but only from the law abiding.
a "mass shooting" by some registered democrat
Post by: Username on December 13, 2020, 07:42:50 AM
a "mass shooting" by some registered democratIf by a registered democrat then it would be a mostly peaceful mass shooting.
Post by: Lucifer on December 13, 2020, 04:49:52 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/judge-orders-california-sheriff-to-reduce-inmate-population
Post by: Lucifer on December 13, 2020, 08:20:11 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2020, 01:08:53 PM
https://lenbilen.com/2020/12/14/american-medical-association-rescinds-previous-statement-against-prescription-of-hydroxychloroquine-to-covid-19-patients/
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 15, 2020, 02:17:05 PM
Post by: Rush on December 15, 2020, 03:19:38 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2020, 03:56:09 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 15, 2020, 05:22:07 PM
Their metastudy and sources:
https://hcqmeta.com/ (https://hcqmeta.com/)
https://c19study.com/ (https://c19study.com/)
Post by: Lucifer on December 16, 2020, 08:49:28 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 18, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
Post by: Anthony on December 18, 2020, 09:31:38 AM
(https://i2.wp.com/hardnoxandfriends.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/cov2-1.jpg?w=720&ssl=1)
That's my fear. I don't want it.
Post by: Lucifer on December 18, 2020, 01:29:36 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 19, 2020, 10:27:32 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 19, 2020, 07:54:56 PM
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/susan-rice-warns-covid-19-pandemic-not-big-one-future-pandemic-could-be
Now that they have discovered that a virus can shut everything down at will, and strip people's rights, they are already planning the next one.
Pandora's Box has been opened.
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2020, 01:22:53 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/birx-delaware-property-delaware-coronavirus-thanksgiving-holiday
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2020, 03:02:56 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 22, 2020, 05:50:48 PM
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For months, we've been lectured to by the political elites that cases of coronavirus are spreading too quickly and that we must wear masks to stop the spread. The obvious fault with their act of desperation is that they can no longer mask the fact that most parts of the country have already been fully masked for months — long before the ubiquitous spread this fall.
Researchers at RationalGround.com, a clearinghouse of COVID-19 data trends run by a grassroots group of data analysts, computer scientists, and actuaries, did an analysis of all 50 states divided by those that had mask mandates and those that did not. Justin Hart, co-founder of the website, posted the results in a Twitter thread and shared with me the data analysis:
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 22, 2020, 06:24:17 PM
kind of like the fools that think we need more gun laws because of the firearm violence in such paradises as Chicago, NYC, Detriot...
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 26, 2020, 04:11:47 PM
It seems unusual that my son lets our grandson go over to someone's house without knowing anything about what they do in their household. He has been very cautious, almost always wearing a mask while out anywhere. We've been to numerous soccer games with them throughout this. He is very left leaning, was a Bernie Bro in 2016. Assume he voted for Biden.
To date, no serious issues with any of them. The sixteen year old is probably close to done.
Post by: Rush on December 26, 2020, 05:23:14 PM
I believe last weekend my youngest son's 16 yr old son went to a group of friends to play D&D. Earlier this week he started showing symptoms and tested positive. As of yesterday mt DIL's test came back positive. She tested early as she is a PT at a local hospital's clinic and their youngest son and my son both started showing symptoms. Both were testes today, grandson is positive, my son won't get results for 24-48 hours.
It seems unusual that my son lets our grandson go over to someone's house without knowing anything about what they do in their household. He has been very cautious, almost always wearing a mask while out anywhere. We've been to numerous soccer games with them throughout this. He is very left leaning, was a Bernie Bro in 2016. Assume he voted for Biden.
To date, no serious issues with any of them. The sixteen year old is probably close to done.
Hope they stay mild.
Post by: Lucifer on December 27, 2020, 07:34:05 AM
Post by: Rush on December 27, 2020, 08:03:27 AM
Love the rant btw, she is spot on.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 27, 2020, 08:38:29 AM
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Post by: Lucifer on December 28, 2020, 10:07:09 AM
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Professor Neil Ferguson, an epidemiologist who played a key role in convincing the British government to adopt lockdowns, revealed that the country’s lockdowns were meant to emulate those carried out by the Chinese Communist Party – modeled to strip civil liberties and exert authoritarian control over citizens.
Post by: Rush on December 28, 2020, 10:10:09 AM
https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/chinese-pandemic-lockdown-model/
And we were told the Chinese model worked! Look how few cases they have. (They lie. And/or simply test less.)
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Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 29, 2020, 07:43:10 PM
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/12/29/us-army-will-introduce-combat-cloth-face-covering/
Post by: Little Joe on December 30, 2020, 11:30:03 AM
https://twitter.com/SteveKrak/status/1343597752954068995So masks and social distancing do work; for the flu.
Let's assume that masks and social distancing work just a little bit for COVID (how could they not help some?); where would we be without doing that? We would probably all have gotten sick and a few million more would have died. Not that that would be a bad thing in the scheme of things. I still think we need to thin the herd.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 30, 2020, 12:02:28 PM
So masks and social distancing do work; for the flu.
Let's assume that masks and social distancing work just a little bit for COVID (how could they not help some?); where would we be without doing that? We would probably all have gotten sick and a few million more would have died. Not that that would be a bad thing in the scheme of things. I still think we need to thin the herd.
or, social distancing works, and masks are getting credit for free...
Post by: Little Joe on December 30, 2020, 01:21:22 PM
or, social distancing works, and masks are getting credit for free...Yeah, there is that. When Harris/Biden get this virus under control, I hope we all need to continue to social distance. I'm not all that thrilled about being all close up with a bunch of strangers anyway. One benefit is that it seems to make really long lines seem to move much faster.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 30, 2020, 01:26:42 PM
When Harris/Biden get this virus under control,
LOL
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 30, 2020, 04:55:25 PM
So masks and social distancing do work; for the flu.
Actually a case can be made that those who would have died from the flu this season died earlier in the year of covid-19. (I recall seeing a study earlier this year that estimated the average life left to those who died from covid-19 was under a year due to their co-morbidities.
Post by: Rush on December 30, 2020, 05:22:51 PM
Actually a case can be made that those who would have died from the flu this season died earlier in the year of covid-19. (I recall seeing a study earlier this year that estimated the average life left to those who died from covid-19 was under a year due to their co-morbidities.
So we commit national economic suicide, destroy the middle class, decimate the wage earning working class, increase rates of suicides, drug overdoses and domestic abuse, and increase deaths caused by avoiding healthcare due to covid, all to buy terminally sick people a few months more of life. Where is all this concern for every tiny shred of life when it comes to unborn babies? Wear a mask or you’ll kill grandma! It’s fine to dismember living babies right at the start of their lives.
This is progressive morality.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 30, 2020, 05:34:08 PM
So we commit national economic suicide, destroy the middle class, decimate the wage earning working classThis is called setting up the beginnings of socialism/communism. Now the government can swoop in and tell us they will fix it all.
Post by: Lucifer on December 31, 2020, 02:42:43 PM
In order to remain standardized, shouldn't those deaths after the vaccination be listed as died from the vaccination?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 31, 2020, 02:45:55 PM
So we are starting to see some deaths after people have been given the covid vaccine.
In order to remain standardized, shouldn't those deaths after the vaccination be listed as died from the vaccination?
No
To remain consistent, those deatha MUST be attributed to Covid.... just like all other deaths
Post by: Number7 on December 31, 2020, 03:47:25 PM
Will the survival rate Climb from 99.79% to 99.80%?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 31, 2020, 06:00:00 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 31, 2020, 06:13:10 PM
Covid is a magical virus.
Post by: Lucifer on December 31, 2020, 06:18:55 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 31, 2020, 06:30:15 PM
So we are starting to see some deaths after people have been given the covid vaccine.
In order to remain standardized, shouldn't those deaths after the vaccination be listed as died from the vaccination?
References?
Post by: Lucifer on December 31, 2020, 06:41:44 PM
References?
Try a google search. ::)
My comment was sarcastic after seeing several stories about people dying after getting the vaccine. Never mind some were 80+, or had several other things wrong with them. Hell, if you get hit by a bus after getting the vaccine, then by covidian logic your death should be attributed to the vaccine, right?
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 31, 2020, 07:16:59 PM
Try a google search. ::)
My comment was sarcastic after seeing several stories about people dying after getting the vaccine. Never mind some were 80+, or had several other things wrong with them. Hell, if you get hit by a bus after getting the vaccine, then by covidian logic your death should be attributed to the vaccine, right?
I figured you were being sarcastic, but figured it was worth searching for vaccinated people dying and didn’t find anything. Only then did I ask.
Post by: Rush on December 31, 2020, 08:18:52 PM
(https://thelibertydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Anthony-Fauci-Evil-435x245.jpg)
Funny, I just watched “The Howling Man”, Twilight Zone episode and when he let the devil out and then bemoaned it saying who knows what evil he will loose on the world I said to my husband and he took over the U.S. government in 2020.
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Post by: Anthony on January 01, 2021, 03:46:09 AM
So we were wrong about ending right after the election, but correct about them allowing it to end if Biden won. We know he really didn't win per se, but it looks like the Leftists won by fraud.
Post by: Rush on January 01, 2021, 04:15:22 AM
Fauci and the Democrat/MEDIA/Corporate Alliance are now saying life could return to normal Fall of 2021 with the Vaccine and continued lock down. So they are signaling that once Biden/Harris are in office for a comfortable amount of time things could loosen up.
So we were wrong about ending right after the election, but correct about them allowing it to end if Biden won. We know he really didn't win per se, but it looks like the Leftists won by fraud.
They won’t stop until middle America is completely destroyed. Biden’s (Harris’s) “presidency” will come with an economic depression making last March look like a blip on the radar.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 02, 2021, 08:45:20 AM
yup - facilities get $$$ associated with covid patients...
Post by: Anthony on January 02, 2021, 11:53:54 AM
They won’t stop until middle America is completely destroyed. Biden’s (Harris’s) “presidency” will come with an economic depression making last March look like a blip on the radar.
But they need us for the tax base. At least in theory. We will become China or a colony thereof.
Post by: Rush on January 02, 2021, 03:42:12 PM
But they need us for the tax base. At least in theory. We will become China or a colony thereof.
Yeah when they figure that out they’ll just raid our 401(k)s.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 02, 2021, 04:31:03 PM
Yeah when they figure that out they’ll just raid our 401(k)s.They, likely, will begin taxing your 401k balance yearly as imputed income.
Post by: Lucifer on January 02, 2021, 05:11:37 PM
They, likely, will begin taxing your 401k balance yearly as imputed income.
There is an actual plan that's been floated around to do a "one time tax" on everyone's retirement accounts. Last number I heard was 10%. Of course, we all know that once they get the taste, they will keep coming back for more.
Another plan from a couple of decades ago that pops up every now and again is to confiscate everyone's retirement accounts and issue "credits", then nationalize the plan in which everyone will benefit. This was floated because the "privileged" saved for retirement while Jonny Lunchbucket did not, hence it would make it fair. The large number that hasn't saved would be all for this, and the ones paying would get a small return on their money via credits.
Make no mistake, the establishment salivates at the trillions being held in IRA's and 401K's.
Post by: Username on January 02, 2021, 05:13:50 PM
They, likely, will begin taxing your 401k balance yearly as imputed income.It's easier than that. Enter the "wealth tax". They think you have too much, they just take it. If it's all tied up in real estate or other non-liquid form or in some retirement account, tough shit. Sell it and give us the money. It's all about fairness. Equality of outcome.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 02, 2021, 05:23:33 PM
question 1: what did you earn?
send it in
Post by: Rush on January 03, 2021, 02:28:32 PM
Post by: Anthony on January 03, 2021, 04:07:08 PM
First family member. Mark's aunt, 90 years old, got the covid and had only mild symptoms, she is recovered. We haven't seen her in years, she lives in another state. That's it, no one else we are related to has got it yet.
I don't know anyone thats had it. Nobody i know knows anyone thats had it, yet the Media and Democrats have convinced many this is the Bubonic Plague.
Post by: Lucifer on January 04, 2021, 06:33:59 AM
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States throughout the U.S. are failing to distinguish between patients hospitalized because of COVID-19 and patients who merely test positive for the disease while being hospitalized for other reasons.
Hospitalizations have for months been viewed as one of the critical indicators of the coronavirus pandemic: Countries worldwide have relied heavily on the number of patients sent to hospitals because of the virus as a way of measuring how severe a region or a nation's outbreak really is.
In the United States, as in most other countries, one of the chief concerns of the pandemic has been whether or not hospitals have enough capacity to treat surges in COVID patients in addition to more routine procedures and emergency issues. The most recent surge in positive COVID-19 tests, which began in early October, has led to record highs of hospitalized COVID-positive patients.
The COVID Tracking Project, a group of public health experts and journalists who have been collecting COVID-19 data from state health departments since early 2020, currently lists over 125,000 hospitalized COVID patients nationwide, roughly double the earlier peaks seen in the spring and summer.
Differentiating between 'with' and 'due to'
Yet many, if not most, states are failing to make the distinction between patients hospitalized because of COVID-19 versus those who simply test positive for the disease while hospitalized for something else, according to a Just the News survey of state health departments.
That data would provide a fuller picture of both the pandemic and its toll on local medical systems. Yet state public health officials consistently told Just the News that their respective health departments do not track that data.
"The number posted [on the state's dashboard] is for hospitalized patients, so those numbers represent people who are being treated for COVID-19 in an inpatient setting," said Elizabeth Goodsitt, a spokeswoman with the Wisconsin Department of Health Services. "There may be other things going on with them, but they are included in that number if they are COVID-19 positive and admitted to the hospital for care."
Marisa Maez, a spokeswoman with the New Mexico Department of Health told Just the News: "When the state releases its daily COVID count, all COVID related hospitalizations are counted which includes those who are specifically hospitalized for COVID and those that test positive while hospitalized for other conditions."
Mississippi state epidemiologist Paul Byers said: "The hospitalization numbers reported to us daily represent the number of people hospitalized with confirmed COVID 19 infection, the number of people in the ICU with confirmed COVID-19, and the number of people on ventilators with confirmed COVID-19." The numbers reflect "patients hospitalized with confirmed COVID-19 infection," regardless of their reason for admittance, Byers confirmed.
"The number of COVID-19-related hospitalizations reported is for all patients in the hospital with a lab-confirmed diagnosis of COVID-19, whether it is the primary diagnosis or a secondary one," said Charlie Gischlar with the Maryland Department of Health.
Connecticut Department of Health spokeswoman Maura Fitzgerald said the state's hospitalization numbers encompass "the number of patients anywhere in the facility that are currently positive with COVID-19."
The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment said the state's numbers "include confirmed cases, and those who are under investigation for having COVID. Those under investigation could be hospitalized as a result of COVID symptoms but haven't been tested or they could be there for another reason. The same would be true for the confirmed cases."
The number of total hospitalizations in California "represents all who are hospitalized with COVID-19, including those being treated for other medical issues," the California Department of Public Health told Just the News.
Spokeswoman Karen Landers with the Alabama Department of Public Health said the state "classifies cases of COVID-19 as persons with positive PCR for SARSCoV2," while the department "does not sub categorize cases that are hospitalized."
Lynn Sutfin, a spokeswoman with the Michigan Department of Public Health told Just the News that the state defines a COVID hospitalization as any patient "currently hospitalized in an adult inpatient bed who have laboratory-confirmed or suspected COVID- 19."
'This is a crucially important topic'
Experts who spoke with Just the News affirmed the importance of this data point in determining the overall extent of the pandemic.
Jay Bhattacharya, a professor of medicine at Stanford University, said that it is "very likely that many patients who are listed as dying from COVID had underlying medical issues that make the designation of COVID as the primary cause problematic."
"However, to the best of my knowledge, there has not been a definitive study that has measured the extent of this problem," he said. "This is something I am actively working on. It is a hard question to answer without a lot of careful analysis of the health records of COVID-19 patients."
Martin Kulldorff, a medical professor at Harvard University, agreed that the missing data raised a "related and equally important question" of "how many of the reported COVID deaths are due to versus with COVID."
"The Östergötland Region in Sweden did a thorough study of whether reported COVID-19 deaths were because of COVID or with COVID," Kulldorff continued. "At the time of the study, there had been 245 reported COVID-19 deaths in the region, 123 at hospitals and 122 at home or in care facilities. They wrote desperate reports for the two groups, but if we combine them, they found that of the 245 deaths, 61 (25%) were primarily due to COVID-19, 60% had COVID-19 as a contributing cause, while 36 (15%) were unrelated to COVID-19."
"Of course, these percentages are bound to be different in different countries," he continued. "It is important to do these studies in every country, but I am not aware of any other equally thorough study on this topic."
Some health officials who spoke to Just the News downplayed the possibility patients who merely test positive for the virus could form a substantial percentage of overall COVID patients.
The Delaware Department of Public Health told Just the News that the number of hospitalized patients reported by the state "includes any individual who is hospitalized and has a positive test for COVID-19."
"However, anecdotally, it does not appear that incidental COVID-19 positive cases among hospitalized patients (i.e. those who are there for other reasons and then test positive for COVID) are common," the department continued, "but rather it is more common that the hospitalization is related to illness from COVID-19."
Joseph Wendelken with the Rhode Island Department of Health, meanwhile, told Just the News that the state's hospitalization number reflects "all hospitalized patients with lab-confirmed COVID-19" and that the state uses that broader classification "because when a hospital patient has COVID, that places a strain on the hospital, even if that person was not hospitalized because of COVID."
The proportion of U.S. patients hospitalized with an incidental COVID-19 diagnosis may ultimately never be known due to the limitations in state-gathered data. Yet in at least one case where that data was known, the total number of secondary COVID-19 diagnoses among hospitalized patients was significant: North Dakota on its state dashboard used to make that distinction, and a survey of those numbers in November showed that about 40% of the total number of COVID patients in the state were hospitalized "with" the disease rather than strictly because of it.
If those numbers were extrapolated nationwide, that would mean that, of the current record 125,000 coronavirus hospitalizations in the U.S., 75,000 of them would be patients suffering from a primary COVID-19 diagnosis — relatively little increase from the earlier peaks of around 60,000, which themselves may have been similarly inflated.
Yet states have shown no indication that they plan to begin making those distinctions. Indeed, North Dakota several weeks ago removed its own sub-analysis of those numbers from its state dashboard. State Department of Health spokeswoman Nicole Peske told Just the News that the state "updated it a month or two ago and removed the WITH COVID because the way we had to pull the data to get the number was causing confusion."
Peske did not respond when asked what kind of confusion that number was causing and whether the state has continued to monitor those numbers internally even as it has ceased displaying them publicly.
Post by: Lucifer on January 05, 2021, 07:02:15 AM
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Some of us who smelled a rat from the outset of “the Pandemic”—a catchall term that has been used by the power- and ratings-obsessed to justify all manner of illegality and immorality—find ourselves struggling over how, assuming that there ever will be a restoration of some semblance of pre-COVID normalcy, we can, or even should, resume relationships with those of our friends, relatives, and members of our local communities who chose months ago to sever real, live contact with us for fear of contracting “The Virus” which, judging from their actions, is as uniquely contagious as it is deadly.
As the COVID Internment approaches its 10th month, the deep sadness that I once felt over the radical subversion of my beloved country—as well as that of much of the rest of the world—gives way to outrage no less profound. So too do I still experience moments of incredulity as I witness the astonishing success had by political, bureaucratic, and media elites in driving terror into the hearts of untold millions, a dread of a cold virus that these same elites have exploited for the sake of assuming control of whole populations in ways that would have been unthinkable as recently as the beginning of March.
The True Believers are indeed genuinely fearful. For this reason, I have labored indefatigably to exercise patience and compassion. Yet as we witness the truly incalculable damage of every conceivable sort that millions of Americans and hundreds of millions of more men, women, and children around the planet have been made to endure because the fearful have not only indulged their fears, but have required others to do the same, I begin to question whether these virtues remain appropriate.
And they become all but impossible to exercise in the face of the moral and cognitive superiority that the Faucians presume whenever anyone tries to disabuse them of their fears. Tellingly—strangely—they become hyper-defensive, angry, even while denying that they are fearful for themselves; rather, to hear them tell it, it is from fear of inadvertently spreading The Virus to others that they wear their (demonstrably useless) face coverings.
So, righteous indignation seems to be a not altogether unreasonable or immoral response to the Faucians’ dereliction of personal responsibility, their refusal to cultivate those intellectual and moral excellencies required of the members of a self-governing citizenry. Their actions have deleteriously undercut the well-being of their fellow human beings, not just here at home but around the globe.
And yet, to repeat, the True Believers are genuinely fearful.
Now, fear is universal, necessary, and when rational, it is desirable. As far as irrational fear is concerned, everyone has their share of it. However, as every other generation before our own has recognized, the difference between a strong person and a weak one is not that the strong one has rid himself entirely of all irrational fears while the latter indulges them. The difference is that the strong person confronts, repeatedly if need be, his irrational fears, calling them out, through word and deed, for what they are. The weaker person refuses to do this, choosing instead to succumb to them—irrespectively of the cost that doing so imposes upon his life and/or the lives of others.
The irrationally fearful will doubtless object that there is nothing at all irrational about their fear of contracting COVID-19.
To be clear, there is nothing irrational about a person’s fear of getting sick, whether from COVID or from any number of other viruses and bacterial infections. Who the hell wants to get sick?! Yet it isn’t the fear per se that is irrational here, but the extent to which the True Believers have permitted it to dictate their world. No one, and certainly no reasonably healthy person, should be giving scarcely any consideration at all to contracting COVID, to say nothing of obsessing over it as the True Believers have. That the irrationally fearful are indeed irrationally fearful can be proven readily enough:
(a) Most fundamentally, the Boogeyman that haunts their imaginations day and night has never even been proven to definitively exist. This is to say that The Virus has never been properly isolated, meaning purified and extracted, as must be done to determine for certain that a distinct virus actually, really exists.
Of course, the Experts and their sock puppet apologists in the propaganda media will say that the Virus has been “isolated,” but this is Newspeak. What they mean to say is that a variety of cells from humans and animals, a variety of toxic drugs and chemicals, and other genetic material co-exists in a biochemical soup, and because some of the cells that are components of this concoction have died, this must mean that it is The Virus that is somewhere within that concoction that has killed them. That the drugs may have killed the cells, or that the starvation of the cells may explain their demise, are apparently considerations not worth entertaining.
The Virus, you see, is assumed to exist within the mix. In order, though, to know for certain that it actually exists within it, it needs to be separated out from the other guck in the mess—something that has not been done, as activist-citizens from various countries are now discovering while dozens of governmental health agencies that they have contacted via Freedom of Information laws have proven themselves incapable of supplying records of the process whereby The Virus has allegedly been isolated, i.e. separated from everything else.
(b) The PCR test, the “gold standard” of COVID tests, was never designed to measure infections, much less sickness. Karry Mullis, the test’s inventor, made the point unequivocally when he bluntly stated: “Quantitative PCR testing is an oxymoron.”
Moreover, the PCR tests, not for a virus, but for RNA that is assumed to be in The Virus that is assumed to exist.
Yet even here, given subscription to the CDC recommendation that the PCR test be run at anywhere between 35-45 cycles, the test is that much more useless, for as all scientists, including none other than Dr. Fauci himself, concede, this high of a threshold of cycles is all but guaranteed to return a false-positive result. The scientists interviewed by The New York Times place the false-positive rate as high as 90%, while still others have said that it could be as high as 97% and, beyond a certain limit, possibly as high as 100% false-positive.
(c) You can always get peeks at the truth more from what State propagandists in Big Media do not say than by what they do say. Even as the Fake Newsies breathlessly wax hysterical over the alleged explosion of “cases,” and even as the hand-picked government lackey doctors who they showcase violate their Hippocratic Oath by contributing to the anxiety, panic, and depression of Americans by going on about possible shortages of medical supplies, etc., notice that none of these Chicken Littles ever talk about the lethality and survival rates of COVID.
This is because even according to their own official numbers (which are wildly inflated), COVID has a mortality rate of anywhere between one-tenth and five-tenths of one percent. This in turn means that anywhere between 99.5-99.9% of the people who are said to have contracted COVID get over it.
To underscore: The country has lost its collective mind while ruining countless numbers of lives over a cold virus that hasn’t been proven to exist, but which even according to the official Government-Media Narrative has a mortality rate approximating that of the official mortality rate of the seasonal flu, and “case” numbers determined by a test that is all but worthless even on its own terms.
The fear that pervades a large portion of the American citizenry is real. It is also, as I showed here, irrational. And it has proven to be dangerous to all people in the United States and throughout the world.
The governing class never could’ve accomplished in 2020 what it in fact accomplished if not for the compliance of the untold millions of Americans that it was able to so easily manipulate.
So, the conflict within me between pity for the genuinely, but irrationally, fearful and outrage over their actions, continues.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 05, 2021, 07:23:25 AM
Post by: Anthony on January 05, 2021, 08:25:43 AM
COVID will never go away, just as the flu never goes away. At the very least the leftists have a reason to lock down every flu season from here on out. The Genie is out of the bottle and they see how easy it is to scare and control the public.
That's why we need a massive push back and to hold politicians and the MEDIA accountable for destroying people's lives en masse. But, how?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 18, 2021, 09:55:23 AM