PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on November 18, 2020, 01:34:24 PM
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Biden is going to be President.
COVID is real.
Now, what are we going to do to improve the situation?
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Shut down the entire country.
Refuse to pay any form of taxes.
Block access to all government buildings.
Civil unrest.
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Shut down the entire country.
Refuse to pay any form of taxes.
Block access to all government buildings.
Civil unrest.
Yeah, that will help.
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Biden is going to be President.
COVID is real.
Now, what are we going to do to improve the situation?
Not first, but certainly needs to include: don't use the tactics of the liberals.
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Not first, but certainly needs to include: don't use the tactics of the liberals.
I was thinking about things like rallying and planning for 2022.
Temper tantrums don’t work.
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I was thinking about things like rallying and planning for 2022.
Temper tantrums don’t work.
Not temper tantrums. War. But I wouldn’t have the first clue how to go about it.
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I was thinking about things like rallying and planning for 2022.
Temper tantrums don’t work.
2022 wont matter. Neither will 2024, 2026, 2028, etc.
Why? The fix is in, dims in the blue states (and soon to be blue states) will have the elections prearranged. A republican can campaign and spend millions while his democrat opponent can spend next to nothing all while being assured they have already won.
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I was thinking about things like rallying and planning for 2022.
Temper tantrums don’t work.
actually, violence does work to a certain extent. However, I don't want to sink to that level.
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anyway, as with anything, doesn't education help? engage with a few a people to help them understand the various "sides" of issues, to help them get beyond the sound-bite BS (probably shouldn't use the term "sound-bite BS").
Be persistent. Many hard-core liberals willl shutdown when challenged with facts and then run away to their safe space.
But be persistent.
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2022 wont matter. Neither will 2024, 2026, 2028, etc.
Why? The fix is in, dims in the blue states (and soon to be blue states) will have the elections prearranged. A republican can campaign and spend millions while his democrat opponent can spend next to nothing all while being assured they have already won.
I don't believe that. We picked up seats in the House rather than losing them as projected. If we field a candidate for President with good solid conservative creds, solid experience and a mouth filter, I think we will win in 2024 by a land slide.
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actually, violence does work to a certain extent. However, I don't want to sink to that level.
We don’t have a choice anymore if they get away with this. It’s either become China, or revolt again like in 1776. Because if they get away with cheating this time, we will never have a fair election again, no one will ever win but Democrats and Democrats are now full on tyrants. It will not matter if we convince 90% of people to vote against them. They will just set the Dominion vote machines to flip votes until they win.
But I’ve no clue how we’d go about a revolt other than part of the country try to secede. I do know there are at minimum 72 million extremely pissed off citizens.
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I don't believe that. We picked up seats in the House rather than losing them as projected. If we field a candidate for President with good solid conservative creds, solid experience and a mouth filter, I think we will win in 2024 by a land slide.
You can't win any election when the vote is rigged. Dominion ring a bell?
And the reason seats were picked up in the House was because those races were thought to be shoe ins. and the focus was on the Presidential race. Hence why downballot voting analysis is very suspect right now.
A Biden presidency will insure that all voter fraud will be swept under the rug. The next elections they will get even more creative with House races and Senate races.
And you could run Jesus as a Republican in 2024 and he would still lose.
This election (2020) is way beyond Trump/Biden. It's about total loss of election integrity, and if it isn't stopped now, it's game over for our republic.
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We don’t have a choice anymore if they get away with this. It’s either become China, or revolt again like in 1776. Because if they get away with cheating this time, we will never have a fair election again, no one will ever win but Democrats and Democrats are now full on tyrants. It will not matter if we convince 90% of people to vote against them. They will just set the Dominion vote machines to flip votes until they win.
But I’ve no clue how we’d go about a revolt other than part of the country try to secede. I do know there are at minimum 72 million extremely pissed off citizens.
And you are spot on about how the dims will become even bigger tyrants. When they don't fear the population and know they can't be removed from office, the tyranny will explode.
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We picked up seats in the House rather than losing them as projected. If we field a candidate for President with good solid conservative creds, solid experience and a mouth filter, I think we will win in 2024 by a land slide.
I don't think I would go so far as to predict a landslide victory, but I think the Rs have a fighting chance. As you point out, there were conservative gains in the House (close enough now to make Nancy nervous) and evidently the Senate has not been lost. Also (just my opinion here) the only reason Trump lost this election is that he is a jackass personally. He unapologetically pisses people off right and left, figuratively and politically. By any objective standard he is a pretty good president otherwise, and probably could have gotten a few democrat votes if he had at least made some effort to play nice (even if he was lying).
No one in his right mind could have voted for Biden thinking that he would be a good president. And look who becomes president if/when he fails--did Harris get even one percent of the vote in the primaries? No one, not even the vast majority of democrats, likes her.
So pour yourself a drink and remain calm in the knowledge that Biden will not be able to get much done (executive orders notwithstanding) without the Senate. But he better eat his Wheaties and stay healthy, because a Harris presidency would be an unmitigated disaster.
Tim
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Positive news for most of you - Republicans picked up two more state legislatures. That's important because this is a census year and we're going to be redrawing districts.
I wonder how many forgot about that?
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I don't think I would go so far as to predict a landslide victory, but I think the Rs have a fighting chance. As you point out, there were conservative gains in the House (close enough now to make Nancy nervous) and evidently the Senate has not been lost. Also (just my opinion here) the only reason Trump lost this election is that he is a jackass personally. He unapologetically pisses people off right and left, figuratively and politically. By any objective standard he is a pretty good president otherwise, and probably could have gotten a few democrat votes if he had at least made some effort to play nice (even if he was lying).
No one in his right mind could have voted for Biden thinking that he would be a good president. And look who becomes president if/when he fails--did Harris get even one percent of the vote in the primaries? No one, not even the vast majority of democrats, likes her.
So pour yourself a drink and remain calm in the knowledge that Biden will not be able to get much done (executive orders notwithstanding) without the Senate. But he better eat his Wheaties and stay healthy, because a Harris presidency would be an unmitigated disaster.
Tim
Let's have a reality check here.
First off, we are witnessing unprecedented election fraud to a level never seen before. Joe Biden didn't win this election, not by a long shot. Trump could have been the nicest guy around, yet that wouldn't have gotten him over the fraud.
The senate. In case you weren't paying attention, GA is in play right now, and not only President but two senate seats. If those two seats flip from republican to democrat, they will control the senate. And with the election shenanigans in GA, who wants to believe the senate runoffs Jan 5th will be open and honest?
Even if the republicans hold the senate with a Biden presidency, the next problem is the establishment republicans. McConnell has no problem with Biden (they've been friends for decades) and Biden will open the door for many of McConnell and friends projects.
And you finished with "because a Harris presidency would be an unmitigated disaster. " Kamala Harris is the most radical person in the senate, surpassing Bernie Sanders. The hard core leftist of the democrat party put her on the ticket for a reason. They needed a trojan horse to get one of their own in the WH because they knew running a marxist radical wouldn't work. So they ran a blithering idiot that's been the joke of Washington for the past 5 decades.
All they need is Joe to last 2 years, then they can 25th amendment his ass and put Kamala in charge, and with that, she will be president until 2032.
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Let's have a reality check here.
Fine--you win. You may now continue to whip yourself into a frenzy over shit you have no control over.
Tim
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Fine--you win. You may now continue to whip yourself into a frenzy over shit you have no control over.
Tim
No frenzy here. Just facing facts.
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Fine--you win. You may now continue to whip yourself into a frenzy over shit you have no control over.
Tim
The theory is that WE THE PEOPLE have control over it. So, are you going to just roll over or fight? This is stuff of revolutions and Civil Wars. I am not saying to start either, yet, but they've happened for less.
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No frenzy here. Just facing facts.
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Liberals DO NOT face facts.
They emote.
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I don't believe that. We picked up seats in the House rather than losing them as projected. If we field a candidate for President with good solid conservative creds, solid experience and a mouth filter, I think we will win in 2024 by a land slide.
So you're all in for Romney 2024?
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The theory is that WE THE PEOPLE have control over it. So, are you going to just roll over or fight? This is stuff of revolutions and Civil Wars. I am not saying to start either, yet, but they've happened for less.
We have played by the rules. They have cheated.
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We have played by the rules. They have cheated.
And undermined the basic principles of the United States. It is an historical event of epic proportions, but many just care about their little bubble of comfort.
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Not first, but certainly needs to include: don't use the tactics of the liberals.
Bob is right. If we want to return our country to a country of laws and justice, we can’t adopt the ways of the left (violence and mob action).
I have heard that we are doomed ever since Clinton beat H.W. Bush.
We ain’t dead yet.
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Bob is right. If we want to return our country to a country of laws and justice, we can’t adopt the ways of the left (violence and mob action).
I have heard that we are doomed ever since Clinton beat H.W. Bush.
We ain’t dead yet.
Bullshit.
Leftists constantly berate conservatives (and anyone that refuses to be brain dead, asshole, robots of the communist party) to the point of violence, arson, looting and every other kind of violence.
Then...
Leftists ALWAYS start bullshitting about how the rest of us have an obligation to stand by and let them lie, cheat and steal everything they are too fucking lazy and incompetent to acquire honestly.
Fuck you if you think we should sit by and sing Kim by yah while the fucking liberals finish the destruction of America.
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Bob is right. If we want to return our country to a country of laws and justice, we can’t adopt the ways of the left (violence and mob action).
I have heard that we are doomed ever since Clinton beat H.W. Bush.
We ain’t dead yet.
In the early 60's I was a young teenager watching TV with my Dad. Something was broadcast about a bill that was just signed into law and Dad told me "Son, I may not see it in my lifetime but you will see this country going downhill." He died in 1996 at 90 years old. I'm very happy he didn't see this.
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Bob is right. If we want to return our country to a country of laws and justice, we can’t adopt the ways of the left (violence and mob action).
I have heard that we are doomed ever since Clinton beat H.W. Bush.
We ain’t dead yet.
Bob says don’t use the tactics of the liberals. He is right, don’t cheat, and don’t use violence against innocent people.
But there’s a big difference between mob rioting and targeted violence to defend our rights.
Read this and tell me what you think:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
Also, note how I disagree with you without saying “fuck you” like Number7. ;D Y’all know I love you both. :-*
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Bob is right. If we want to return our country to a country of laws and justice, we can’t adopt the ways of the left (violence and mob action).
I have heard that we are doomed ever since Clinton beat H.W. Bush.
We ain’t dead yet.
This is different. WAY different. The Left, many foreigners and foreign countries like China have stolen our election. The Media, Tech, Democrats and other Leftist institutions used illegal tactics, weaponized a Virus and used mail in voter fraud. We have to make those that did this PAY and be held accountable. They are taking food off our table and affecting the way we can work, earn a living and live our lives. Our quality of life has suffered. The Courts and legal system doesn't work anymore to enforce the rule of law and hold the ELITE accountable.
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Also, note how I disagree with you without saying “fuck you” like Number7. ;D Y’all know I love you both. :-*
Some people like you are good people. Others? Well, fuckem.
I'll read the link shortly but I am going out of town in an hour.
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Read this and tell me what you think:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_%281946%29
Ok, I started to read it but it is more than I have time for now. But it started off talking about a very localized reaction to a local problem. That is different than another intercontinental civil war. I'll try to remember to come back to it later.
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Ok, I started to read it but it is more than I have time for now. But it started off talking about a very localized reaction to a local problem. That is different than another intercontinental civil war. I'll try to remember to come back to it later.
I think you mean intracontinental :)
It is a long tedious read, and it is a localized reaction, but it’s a microcosm example of exactly what is happening to the entire country now and - spoiler alert - shows a case where righteous targeted violence was successfully used to expose a rigged election and defeat a corrupt political machine.
So my question is, if all the legal and non-violent avenues fail, are you wrong to resort to this? Is this not exactly what the 2nd amendment was designed for?
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— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Thomas Jefferson
'I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.'
Thomas Jefferson
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note that rebellion does not necessarily mean violence. The definition of "rebellion" includes "open resistance to an established government or ruler" and "the action or process of resisting authority, control, or convention"
Yes, "rebellion" can be violent, but does not have to be.
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In case I didn't make myself clear (Which I believe is the case), I said Biden will be President.
Then I asked, what are we going to do now?
I did not mean that we should just give up and accept it. We should continue to pursue legal channels, and we should continue to push for legislative voting reform. I don't think armed revolt is the answer. Yet.
Biden (or Kamala) is bound to run again in 2024. They are and will be very weak candidates. Republicans have some very good conservative politicians that would make GREAT candidates in 2024. We CAN win in 2024.
We can also pick up seats in the House and Senate in 2022. We are no more doomed today than we were in 1968, which is actually the worst political climate I can remember in my lifetime.
It wasn't Trump's policies that lost this election, and it wasn't election fraud. It was Trump's mouth.
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It wasn't Trump's policies that lost this election, and it wasn't election fraud. It was Trump's mouth.
So you are saying all of the evidence of election fraud are not real?
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In case I didn't make myself clear (Which I believe is the case), I said Biden will be President.
Then I asked, what are we going to do now?
I did not mean that we should just give up and accept it. We should continue to pursue legal channels, and we should continue to push for legislative voting reform. I don't think armed revolt is the answer. Yet.
Biden (or Kamala) is bound to run again in 2024. They are and will be very weak candidates. Republicans have some very good conservative politicians that would make GREAT candidates in 2024. We CAN win in 2024.
We can also pick up seats in the House and Senate in 2022. We are no more doomed today than we were in 1968, which is actually the worst political climate I can remember in my lifetime.
It wasn't Trump's policies that lost this election, and it wasn't election fraud. It was Trump's mouth.
Right now they are pushing to lose the two GA senate seats by fraud, quite openly. They are telling people to temporarily move to GA, vote, then go back home. If we lose control of the senate, plus Kamala Harris has vowed to do all kinds of things by executive order, how confident are you that we will reform voting? Winning in 2024 is 100% dependent on fixing these voting “irregularities”.
Trump’s mouth? I think Trump’s unorthodox, brash style won him far more supporters than lost because of that.
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"unorthodox, brash style " - well, that is certainly one way to put it.
Don't get me wrong... I wouldn't have voted for gropin' joe with a gun to my head. My biggest wish (wrt the elections) was that someone would take away President Trump's twitter account. Yeah, I know, it caused the liberals to froth at the mouth... but, at the end of the day, I think it was counterproductive.
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https://rumble.com/vb8ksn-drop-and-roll-how-the-2020-election-was-stolen-from-donald-trump.html
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https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/sidney_powell_absent_software_fraud_trump_had_at_least_80_million_votes.html
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In case I didn't make myself clear (Which I believe is the case), I said Biden will be President.
Then I asked, what are we going to do now?
I did not mean that we should just give up and accept it. We should continue to pursue legal channels, and we should continue to push for legislative voting reform. I don't think armed revolt is the answer. Yet.
Biden (or Kamala) is bound to run again in 2024. They are and will be very weak candidates. Republicans have some very good conservative politicians that would make GREAT candidates in 2024. We CAN win in 2024.
We can also pick up seats in the House and Senate in 2022. We are no more doomed today than we were in 1968, which is actually the worst political climate I can remember in my lifetime.
It wasn't Trump's policies that lost this election, and it wasn't election fraud. It was Trump's mouth.
You're wrong. Stop listening to your wife.
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I don't believe that. We picked up seats in the House rather than losing them as projected. If we field a candidate for President with good solid conservative creds, solid experience and a mouth filter, I think we will win in 2024 by a land slide.
I agree with that, PROVIDED republicans at the state level take their thumbs out of their asses and fix this voting thing NOW, not in 2024. It will be too late by then.
The other thing is GOP State legislature control for redistricting over the next 10 years.
In 24 states the GOP will own both houses of the legislature and the governorship. Dems only have 15. 11 states will have divided government.
This is Yuuuuge for the next decade.
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So you're all in for Romney 2024?
The GOP has a surprising number of good, young, attractive candidates for 2024 and beyond.
Just off the top of my head:
Kristi Noem
Ted Kris
Donald Trump Jr. (not shitting you)
Ron DeSantis
Nikki Haley
Candace Owens
Dan Krenshaw
Tom Cotton
Josh Hawley
Mike Pence
Ben Sasse
Tim Scott
Matt Gaetz
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I think you mean intracontinental :)
It is a long tedious read, and it is a localized reaction, but it’s a microcosm example of exactly what is happening to the entire country now and - spoiler alert - shows a case where righteous targeted violence was successfully used to expose a rigged election and defeat a corrupt political machine.
So my question is, if all the legal and non-violent avenues fail, are you wrong to resort to this? Is this not exactly what the 2nd amendment was designed for?
https://youtu.be/ep-xgd_eETE
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https://youtu.be/ep-xgd_eETE
Hahaha well we don’t want to go all Leeroy Jenkins on it.
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In case I didn't make myself clear (Which I believe is the case), I said Biden will be President.
Then I asked, what are we going to do now?
I did not mean that we should just give up and accept it. We should continue to pursue legal channels, and we should continue to push for legislative voting reform. I don't think armed revolt is the answer. Yet.
Biden (or Kamala) is bound to run again in 2024. They are and will be very weak candidates. Republicans have some very good conservative politicians that would make GREAT candidates in 2024. We CAN win in 2024.
We can also pick up seats in the House and Senate in 2022. We are no more doomed today than we were in 1968, which is actually the worst political climate I can remember in my lifetime.
It wasn't Trump's policies that lost this election, and it wasn't election fraud. It was Trump's mouth.
I was with you until your last sentence. It’s bullshit. Maybe your wife’s liberalism is rubbing off on you.
The vile hatred for Trump preceded his election. From the moment he locked up the nomination, the long knives were out for Trump. Yes, I cringed on occasion early on. I was a Cruz supporter and helped him win Wisconsin.
But I grew up and actually started to listen to him. He became the most pro-American, pro-American citizen president in my lifetime. He wanted to stop the international invasion into the US, not just with with illegal aliens, but with unfair trade, intellectual property theft, and unappreciated foreign aid. He brought a business approach to everything, which is antithetical to and a threat to the way the swamp operates.
He pissed off the DC swamp, the Neocons, the military industrial complex, the far left, the moderate left, the people who take advantage of the largesse of the federal government, and the media who aided and abetted all of these groups.
Consequently, just like when “racist” become a punchline from 2008-2016, the slings and arrows thrown at Trump non-stop for the past 4+ years had zero effect on him, which pissed the left and the media off even more.
Watch people like Kaitlyn Bennett or Stephen Crowder or Michael Knowles or Ben Shapiro talk to people on the street or in an auditorium. The hatred elicited from the people they talk to is ubiquitous, yet when these people ask why they hate Trump or what Trump said, either they could not recall, or state something that Trump said that is literally false or a lie.
I guess I can understand such ignorance because of what the MSM says that Trump said it did, but as we know the MSM utterly twists whatever Trump does or says I order to elicits the greatest hatred possible. That’s all these people are hearing.
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Right now they are pushing to lose the two GA senate seats by fraud, quite openly. They are telling people to temporarily move to GA, vote, then go back home. If we lose control of the senate, plus Kamala Harris has vowed to do all kinds of things by executive order, how confident are you that we will reform voting? Winning in 2024 is 100% dependent on fixing these voting “irregularities”.
Trump’s mouth? I think Trump’s unorthodox, brash style won him far more supporters than lost because of that.
Agreed completely with your last statement.
As for voting, that has to get fixed at the state level. That MUST begin now for 2024.