PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Little Joe on December 01, 2020, 11:27:48 AM
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https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/crime/2020/11/24/daytona-beach-man-shoots-kills-cousin-in-fight-over-a-woman/6408142002/
You probably won't hear about it on TV though.
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If blacks don’t value another black’s life to fight over stupid shit, how on earth am I racist if I choose to avoid black areas and high crime areas, and choose to stay in whiter areas?
There is a serious issue happening in the black community with zero respect for life, property, the law, or society. I haven’t seen it this bad ever, and I grew up in Chicago in the 1960s and 1970s.
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If blacks don’t value another black’s life to fight over stupid shit, how on earth am I racist if I choose to avoid black areas and high crime areas, and choose to stay in whiter areas?
There is a serious issue happening in the black community with zero respect for life, property, the law, or society. I haven’t seen it this bad ever, and I grew up in Chicago in the 1960s and 1970s.
My take was that if black lives don't matter to blacks, then why should black lives matter to me?
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well, I won't apologize for the saccahrin nature of this pollyanna statement: even if some don't care, all lives matter.
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well, I won't apologize for the saccahrin nature of this pollyanna statement: even if some don't care, all lives matter.
I dare you to say that in front of a "woke liberal" or at a mostly peaceful racial justice protest.
Of course all lives matter. Maybe a better slogan would have been "black lives matter too".
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I dare you to say that in front of a "woke liberal" or at a mostly peaceful racial justice protest.
My momma didn't raise no fool...although some might vehemently disagree.
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Lives Matter. No descriptor needed. Although with countless wars we have all engaged as a human race, do they really?
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Lives Matter. No descriptor needed. Although with countless wars we have all engaged as a human race, do they really?
We like to think we are nothing more than feral animals, but we really aren't. We just adapted better.
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We like to think we are nothing more than feral animals, but we really aren't. We just adapted better.
Do you mean we like to think we are nothing more than feral animals? Because that sentence would make more sense. :)
I agree by the way. Our language and our ability to manipulate resources outside ourselves to enhance our lives are just extreme extensions of the same natural adaptations all species strive for.
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To be fair, black lives do matter too. Their protest got hijacked, but their original message was that things aren't equal or fair. They're right.
At the core, there is a valid complaint, but also some invalid ones. Black people do get harsher sentences for crimes, because the sentences for the crimes committed in black communities are harsher. Is there any logic that possession of crack carries a minimum 5 year sentence but cocaine possession is 1 year? The answer is yes, because the minimum sentence laws on crack came later in the war on drugs when people said "no, we REALLY mean zero tolerance" and made the sentences stiffer. And so, there IS a system which is (inadvertently) leans against blacks.
I also frequently hear about the detention-prison path with the assumption that kids who get detention in school have been harmed by it, made to feel like a criminal and then go on to become criminals. I suspect that by the time they're getting detention, they've already adopted the attitude that leads to prison, not the other way around. But clearly black students are suspended at a rate 5 times more than white children for the same offenses. But why? It isn't racist teachers, so clearly it must be behaviors of children.
Anecdotally, in my life I've only seen 5 kids suspended from school, 4 black and 1 white - after 3rd grade I attended private school because the public schools here were so broken. All 4 of the black children had minor incidents which should have been nothing, but they escalated it. One I remember vividly because he sat next to me - he was out his seat to sharpen his pencil and got called out for it. I remember thinking the teacher was unfair because he was just fixing his pencil. But then he started screaming at the teacher for being unfair, refused to sit down and wound up being sent to the principal's office. So he was suspended for "being out of his seat", but really for screaming at the teacher and disrupting class. To me then and now, a bizarre reaction.
The analogy being used today is fish swimming in poisoned water. But they're not being honest about the reason the water is poisoned, why are there harder conditions in black communities. Some of it is history, but that's not the fault of anyone here, we are not responsible for what was done a century ago. Education is their path out but there's a bias against education, especially among young black males - gangs, thugs and drugs are the bigger influence.
I don't have solutions, other than I'm really sure that giving out money is the wrong answer. But dismissing BLM and ignoring the real underlying problems is wrong...dishonest and dishonorable.
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To be fair, black lives do matter too. Their protest got hijacked, but their original message was that things aren't equal or fair. They're right.
At the core, there is a valid complaint, but also some invalid ones. Black people do get harsher sentences for crimes, because the sentences for the crimes committed in black communities are harsher. Is there any logic that possession of crack carries a minimum 5 year sentence but cocaine possession is 1 year? The answer is yes, because the minimum sentence laws on crack came later in the war on drugs when people said "no, we REALLY mean zero tolerance" and made the sentences stiffer. And so, there IS a system which is (inadvertently) leans against blacks.
I also frequently hear about the detention-prison path with the assumption that kids who get detention in school have been harmed by it, made to feel like a criminal and then go on to become criminals. I suspect that by the time they're getting detention, they've already adopted the attitude that leads to prison, not the other way around. But clearly black students are suspended at a rate 5 times more than white children for the same offenses. But why? It isn't racist teachers, so clearly it must be behaviors of children.
Anecdotally, in my life I've only seen 5 kids suspended from school, 4 black and 1 white - after 3rd grade I attended private school because the public schools here were so broken. All 4 of the black children had minor incidents which should have been nothing, but they escalated it. One I remember vividly because he sat next to me - he was out his seat to sharpen his pencil and got called out for it. I remember thinking the teacher was unfair because he was just fixing his pencil. But then he started screaming at the teacher for being unfair, refused to sit down and wound up being sent to the principal's office. So he was suspended for "being out of his seat", but really for screaming at the teacher and disrupting class. To me then and now, a bizarre reaction.
The analogy being used today is fish swimming in poisoned water. But they're not being honest about the reason the water is poisoned, why are there harder conditions in black communities. Some of it is history, but that's not the fault of anyone here, we are not responsible for what was done a century ago. Education is their path out but there's a bias against education, especially among young black males - gangs, thugs and drugs are the bigger influence.
I don't have solutions, other than I'm really sure that giving out money is the wrong answer. But dismissing BLM and ignoring the real underlying problems is wrong...dishonest and dishonorable.
You are right about all of this. But my friend Kenn Blanchard, black preacher, ex-CIA, and black rights activist put it this way: BLM as an ideal is right. BLM as a political organization is a Marxist entity and something completely different from the ideal BLM was supposed to represent.
What we are criticizing is BLM the political organization, well funded by rich white leftists that don’t give a fuck about blacks or anything but their own power, and drive hatred, violence and disunity. They are the ones driving the BLM cult of censorship, brainwashing, and extremism where to say all lives matter earns you doxing, canceling and physical attack.
Wake up. We are at war. Not with blacks but with a self declared revolutionary movement.
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You are right about all of this. But my friend Kenn Blanchard, black preacher, ex-CIA, and black rights activist put it this way: BLM as an ideal is right. BLM as a political organization is a Marxist entity and something completely different from the ideal BLM was supposed to represent.
What we are criticizing is BLM the political organization, well funded by rich white leftists that don’t give a fuck about blacks or anything but their own power, and drive hatred, violence and disunity. They are the ones driving the BLM cult of censorship, brainwashing, and extremism where to say all lives matter earns you doxing, canceling and physical attack.
Wake up. We are at war. Not with blacks but with a self declared revolutionary movement.
Just as the democrats never, and still don't give a crap about the black community. The ONLY thing the democrats and BLM want from the black community is their votes, and to use them as pawns.
And anyone with a scintilla of brain power can easily find out that BLM is a Marxist organization as BLM doesn't even try to hide it.
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What we are criticizing is BLM the political organization, well funded by rich white leftists that don’t give a fuck about blacks or anything but their own power, and drive hatred, violence and disunity.
I'm not sure everyone is limited to the political organization of BLM. I agree they're out, but I have seen many people also throwing out everything just because the B stands for black.
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I'm not sure everyone is limited to the political organization of BLM. I agree they're out, but I have seen many people also throwing out everything just because the B stands for black.
I'm having trouble parsing your post. Typos? ???
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I'm having trouble parsing your post. Typos? ???
Thanks. I thought it just was me.
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To be fair, black lives do matter too. Their protest got hijacked, but their original message was that things aren't equal or fair. They're right.
At the core, there is a valid complaint, but also some invalid ones. Black people do get harsher sentences for crimes, because the sentences for the crimes committed in black communities are harsher. Is there any logic that possession of crack carries a minimum 5 year sentence but cocaine possession is 1 year? The answer is yes, because the minimum sentence laws on crack came later in the war on drugs when people said "no, we REALLY mean zero tolerance" and made the sentences stiffer. And so, there IS a system which is (inadvertently) leans against blacks.
I also frequently hear about the detention-prison path with the assumption that kids who get detention in school have been harmed by it, made to feel like a criminal and then go on to become criminals. I suspect that by the time they're getting detention, they've already adopted the attitude that leads to prison, not the other way around. But clearly black students are suspended at a rate 5 times more than white children for the same offenses. But why? It isn't racist teachers, so clearly it must be behaviors of children.
Anecdotally, in my life I've only seen 5 kids suspended from school, 4 black and 1 white - after 3rd grade I attended private school because the public schools here were so broken. All 4 of the black children had minor incidents which should have been nothing, but they escalated it. One I remember vividly because he sat next to me - he was out his seat to sharpen his pencil and got called out for it. I remember thinking the teacher was unfair because he was just fixing his pencil. But then he started screaming at the teacher for being unfair, refused to sit down and wound up being sent to the principal's office. So he was suspended for "being out of his seat", but really for screaming at the teacher and disrupting class. To me then and now, a bizarre reaction.
The analogy being used today is fish swimming in poisoned water. But they're not being honest about the reason the water is poisoned, why are there harder conditions in black communities. Some of it is history, but that's not the fault of anyone here, we are not responsible for what was done a century ago. Education is their path out but there's a bias against education, especially among young black males - gangs, thugs and drugs are the bigger influence.
I don't have solutions, other than I'm really sure that giving out money is the wrong answer. But dismissing BLM and ignoring the real underlying problems is wrong...dishonest and dishonorable.
Some truths here, but also some sociological BS.
No one goes to prison for mere possession of drugs without having a related crime such as dealing, or a long rap sheet. There’s no room for them first of all. That’s why they get pled down to misdemeanors time after time after time.
You’re right about attitude. In your example it was the attitude of the kid that got him kicked out. Now multiply that by converting that attitude to violence in middle or high school, giving teachers zero tools to stop the violence, and you literally have the inmates running the asylum.
Then apparently in the Blalack community ignorance is valued over intelligence, making it socially unfavorable to graduate high school.
Milwaukee has a high school graduation rate of around 60%, across all races. This after spending well over $10,000 per student. Who’s fault is that?
To the top, the disparity in the legal system wouldn’t be so large if utter lawlessness didn’t so pervade the black community.
“Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.”
Anthony Vincenzo “Tony” Baretta
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No one goes to prison for mere possession of drugs without having a related crime such as dealing, or a long rap sheet.
Kyle Myers did, on a technicality. He owned a lot of firearms totally legal, had a YouTube channel about them, and made the mistake of buying some hash oil for personal use. The BATF raided his home, confiscated about $400,000 worth of weapons and charged him with the felony of drug possession while owning a firearm (the intent of which was aimed at gun wielding pushers on the street). They tried to send him away for 25 years but he pled it down to possession with intent to distribute because he allowed his girlfriend to smoke some! He ended up doing 2 months in federal prison.