Post by: Lucifer on January 23, 2021, 04:42:44 PM
Quote
In an eerie preview of our “post-pandemic” future, lawmakers on Capitol Hill are still donning face masks even after vaccination, illustrating how pandemic rules might be here to stay for quite some time, with no clear threshold provided for what justifies repeal.
House Democrats began to put in motion last week a new rule change fining members $500 then $2,500 on the second offense for those who don’t wear face masks. The proposal comes after Democrats baselessly blamed maskless Republicans sheltering in the Capitol bunker during this month’s siege for infecting three Democratic lawmakers.
The vaccination drive for members of Congress, however, began in December. By now, most members of Congress and even a sizeable number of staff have been afforded the opportunity to be vaccinated, receiving both shots clearing them of possible infection. And yet, face masks remain compulsory on Capitol Hill, and now on all federal property pursuant to a new executive edict passed down by the new president Wednesday.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 23, 2021, 04:59:42 PM
Also, it takes a few weeks after the 2nd dose before the vaccine reaches max effectiveness.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 23, 2021, 06:06:14 PM
Because no one has yet established whether or not the vaccine prevents the person from spreading the virus.
Also, it takes a few weeks after the 2nd dose before the vaccine reaches max effectiveness.
The Moderna trial tested effectiveness 14 days after the second dose. So just two weeks, not several. And just 14 days after the first dose the effectiveness appears to have been approximately the same. So if the congress critters had two doses then by now they are as immune as they are likely to get.
It is true that immunity doesn’t mean you can’t get the virus - it means whatever foothold it manages to establish is so attenuated and short lived that you are much less of a threat to others than a person wearing a mask who is infected.
Source for Moderna’s time to immunity from https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/peer-reviewed-report-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-publishes (https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/peer-reviewed-report-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-publishes):
Quote
From the start of the trial through Nov. 25, 2020, investigators recorded 196 cases of symptomatic COVID-19 occurring among participants at least 14 days after they received their second shot. One hundred and eighty-five cases (30 of which were classified as severe COVID-19) occurred in the placebo group and 11 cases (0 of which were classified as severe COVID-19) occurred in the group receiving mRNA-1273. The incidence of symptomatic COVID-19 was 94.1% lower in those participants who received mRNA-1273 as compared to those receiving placebo.
Investigators observed 236 cases of symptomatic COVID-19 among participants at least 14 days after they received their first shot, with 225 cases in the placebo group and 11 cases in the group receiving mRNA-1273. The vaccine efficacy was 95.2% for this secondary analysis.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 23, 2021, 06:11:12 PM
It is true that immunity doesn’t mean you can’t get the virus - it means whatever foothold it manages to establish is so attenuated and short lived that you are much less of a threat to others than a person wearing a mask who is infected.
That underline part has not been established.
I wouldn't doubt it, but I'm not aware of any real investigation into the infectiousness of vaccinated people versus asymptomatic or symptomatic people.
And, don't get me wrong, I'm anxiously awaiting the day when even the chicken littles of the world give up trying to mask the world.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 23, 2021, 06:17:33 PM
That underline part has not been established.
I wouldn't doubt it, but I'm not aware of any real investigation into the infectiousness of vaccinated people versus asymptomatic or symptomatic people.
And, don't get me wrong, I'm anxiously awaiting the day when even the chicken littles of the world give up trying to mask the world.
I’ll see if I can re-locate the studies I ran across on other infectious viral diseases that lead me to that statement.
Post by: Rush on January 23, 2021, 08:08:44 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 23, 2021, 10:47:17 PM
Quote
It is true that immunity doesn’t mean you can’t get the virus - it means whatever foothold it manages to establish is so attenuated and short lived that you are much less of a threat to others than a person wearing a mask who is infected.
That underline part has not been established.
I wouldn't doubt it, but I'm not aware of any real investigation into the infectiousness of vaccinated people versus asymptomatic or symptomatic people.
And, don't get me wrong, I'm anxiously awaiting the day when even the chicken littles of the world give up trying to mask the world.
Found it! It was an animal test on the Moderna vaccine (I also found very similar study results by the Chinese on one of their vaccines):
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671)
“Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates”
Previous “... studies provided no evidence of a reduction of viral replication in nasal tissue, raising questions as to whether these vaccines could affect virus transmission. In contrast, our study showed early prevention of viral replication in the upper and lower airways after a high-dose challenge (approximately 8×105 PFU) with SARS-CoV-2. The ability to limit viral replication in both the lower and the upper airways has important implications for vaccine-induced prevention of both SARS-CoV-2 disease and transmission.”
Basically they ran tests using monkeys with some vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine (two dose levels tested - 10 ug and 100 ug) and some without. Then they infected both groups with SARS-CoV-2 (a “challenge” study) to test the amount of detectable virus over the course of a couple weeks. They wanted to know if their vaccine would not only make an animal immune, but measure the likelihood of spreading the virus during the period the immune system reacts to subsequent infections.
“Two days after challenge, only one of eight animals in each of the vaccine dose groups had detectable subgenomic RNA in BAL fluid, as compared with eight of eight animals in the control group (Figure 3A). By day 2, none of the eight animals in the 100-μg dose group had detectable subgenomic RNA detected in nasal swab specimens, as compared with five of eight animals in the 10-μg dose group and six of eight animals in the control group (Figure 3B). On day 4, two of eight animals in the 10-μg dose group and one of eight animals in the 100-μg dose group had low levels of subgenomic RNA detected in the nose. In accordance with the prespecified statistical analysis, the peak levels of subgenomic RNA over days 2 through 7 were significantly lower in both the 100-μg dose group and the 10-μg dose group than in the control group, in both BAL fluid specimens (P<0.001 for both comparisons) and nasal swab specimens (P=0.009 and P=0.03, respectively). Furthermore, total RNA levels were significantly lower in BAL fluid in both the 100-μg dose group and the 10-μg dose group than in the control group (P<0.001 for both comparisons) (Fig. S3). With regard to nasal secretions, animals vaccinated with 100 μg of mRNA-1273 also had lower total RNA levels than animals in the control group (P=0.03) or in the 10-μg dose group (P=0.003).“
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 24, 2021, 07:16:48 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 24, 2021, 08:12:07 AM
Found it! It was an animal test on the Moderna vaccine (I also found very similar study results by the Chinese on one of their vaccines):
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671)
“Evaluation of the mRNA-1273 Vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 in Nonhuman Primates”
Previous “... studies provided no evidence of a reduction of viral replication in nasal tissue, raising questions as to whether these vaccines could affect virus transmission. In contrast, our study showed early prevention of viral replication in the upper and lower airways after a high-dose challenge (approximately 8×105 PFU) with SARS-CoV-2. The ability to limit viral replication in both the lower and the upper airways has important implications for vaccine-induced prevention of both SARS-CoV-2 disease and transmission.”
Basically they ran tests using monkeys with some vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine (two dose levels tested - 10 ug and 100 ug) and some without. Then they infected both groups with SARS-CoV-2 (a “challenge” study) to test the amount of detectable virus over the course of a couple weeks. They wanted to know if their vaccine would not only make an animal immune, but measure the likelihood of spreading the virus during the period the immune system reacts to subsequent infections.
“Two days after challenge, only one of eight animals in each of the vaccine dose groups had detectable subgenomic RNA in BAL fluid, as compared with eight of eight animals in the control group (Figure 3A). By day 2, none of the eight animals in the 100-μg dose group had detectable subgenomic RNA detected in nasal swab specimens, as compared with five of eight animals in the 10-μg dose group and six of eight animals in the control group (Figure 3B). On day 4, two of eight animals in the 10-μg dose group and one of eight animals in the 100-μg dose group had low levels of subgenomic RNA detected in the nose. In accordance with the prespecified statistical analysis, the peak levels of subgenomic RNA over days 2 through 7 were significantly lower in both the 100-μg dose group and the 10-μg dose group than in the control group, in both BAL fluid specimens (P<0.001 for both comparisons) and nasal swab specimens (P=0.009 and P=0.03, respectively). Furthermore, total RNA levels were significantly lower in BAL fluid in both the 100-μg dose group and the 10-μg dose group than in the control group (P<0.001 for both comparisons) (Fig. S3). With regard to nasal secretions, animals vaccinated with 100 μg of mRNA-1273 also had lower total RNA levels than animals in the control group (P=0.03) or in the 10-μg dose group (P=0.003).“
good info.
Note that I expect little, in any, transmission from vaccinated people...
I wish there was real investigation into transmission from asympomatic people. I understand why it was initially assumed that such folks would be equally infectious. But it would be nice to know.
Post by: Lucifer on January 24, 2021, 08:31:55 AM
good info.
Note that I expect little, in any, transmission from vaccinated people...
I wish there was real investigation into transmission from asympomatic people. I understand why it was initially assumed that such folks would be equally infectious. But it would be nice to know.
Why?
The purpose of covid has nothing to do with science, this keeps getting proven over and over by the idiotic political types mandating rules and in fact laws.
Had actual science been applied from the beginning we wouldn't have witnessed the carnage left by the governments in the wake of this, nor would we be seeing highly suspect statistics.
Next to the 2020 US election, Covid is the biggest scam ever perpetuated.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 24, 2021, 09:26:00 AM
Why?
There are people on one end of the reaction spectrum that deny covid-19 is real. At the other end are people that consider covid-19 to be the deadliest thing imaginable. Neither end of the spectrum is particularly open to facts and reason. I'm hopeful that there are people in between those two extremes and those people will listen.
Post by: Lucifer on January 24, 2021, 10:16:20 AM
There are people on one end of the reaction spectrum that deny covid-19 is real. At the other end are people that consider covid-19 to be the deadliest thing imaginable. Neither end of the spectrum is particularly open to facts and reason. I'm hopeful that there are people in between those two extremes and those people will listen.
Since Covid has been politicized and weaponized and science has been largely ignored, and politicians are making the rules, this to me indicates it’s true purpose.
Had Covid been treated exactly like the swine flu under the BHO administration we would have seen the same results.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 24, 2021, 10:44:57 AM
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.08.280818v1.full.pdf (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.08.280818v1.full.pdf)
Basically the same results: after vaccination any viral infection the animal gets attenuates to effectively zero within one to two days.
Not surprising that both mRNA vaccines have similar results.
I think people too often incorrectly assume their own ignorance (e.g. “I don’t know if X is true”) is generally true (e.g. go on to then claim: “Nobody knows if X is true.”)
Post by: Rush on January 24, 2021, 11:17:58 AM
There are people on one end of the reaction spectrum that deny covid-19 is real. At the other end are people that consider covid-19 to be the deadliest thing imaginable. Neither end of the spectrum is particularly open to facts and reason. I'm hopeful that there are people in between those two extremes and those people will listen.
Yes, I am in between in that I want unbiased facts. I may be very opinionated but always want to know the truth.
Is is very frustrating that such plain facts are extremely hard to find these days. Everyone has an agenda, everyone is biased in the extreme and we are split into two separate universes of reality. Covid has been hopelessly corrupted by politicization to the point that we may never know the truth. History is being recorded with biased, polluted opinions instead of facts.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 24, 2021, 11:41:12 AM
I have friends that are in the scared to death category. I know no one that feels it does not exist.
Post by: Username on January 24, 2021, 11:59:34 AM
Yes, I am in between in that I want unbiased facts. I may be very opinionated but always want to know the truth.And ALL the facts. They shouldn't leave something out because it doesn't fit the narrative. Selective facts is as biased as opinion.
Yes, tell me everything and let me make up my own mind.
Post by: Rush on January 24, 2021, 12:27:06 PM
And ALL the facts. They shouldn't leave something out because it doesn't fit the narrative. Selective facts is as biased as opinion.
Yes, tell me everything and let me make up my own mind.
Agree completely!
Post by: Lucifer on January 25, 2021, 08:22:14 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 25, 2021, 10:36:47 AM
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2021, 10:37:17 AM
Post by: Anthony on January 25, 2021, 11:32:37 AM
Post by: nddons on January 25, 2021, 11:56:50 AM
Well, finding out that Fauci himself is the Dr. Frankenstein that created the WuFlu just fits right in with all the rest of this surreal twilight zone alternate dimension that is reality now.You are on the money Rush.
https://saraacarter.com/steve-hilton-reveals-explosive-evidence-on-covid-19-origins-and-the-fauci-connection/
Post by: Lucifer on January 25, 2021, 02:20:33 PM
Post by: azure on January 25, 2021, 03:09:57 PM
Asymptomatic transmission is very rare. Otherwise how did New Zealand eliminate covid? They aggressively isolated anyone with symptoms and it vanished from the island. They’ve done that more than once after new cases are brought over. If asymtomatic transmission was really an issue they wouldn’t have been able to do that. The news totally squashes this fact.
From what I've read, they aggressively isolated pretty much everyone, not just anyone with symptoms. They instituted an aggressive lockdown of the entire country until cases had dropped to undetectable levels. They also mandated isolation for anyone entering the country, though I think that was eventually relaxed somewhat for people coming from countries that had successfully eliminated the virus.
I'm not sure what measures they have in place currently; all of my sources were written last (northern hemisphere) summer.
Post by: bflynn on January 25, 2021, 04:00:25 PM
Chicken little needs to retire.
Post by: Anthony on January 25, 2021, 04:05:04 PM
I for one would really like to see what happens with no masks and with no masks and all businesses opened up.
Chicken little needs to retire.
So would I.
Post by: nddons on January 25, 2021, 04:13:40 PM
I for one would really like to see what happens with no masks and with no masks and all businesses opened up.You’ll see it shortly. Wuhan served its purpose. Trump is out of office. California and NY are seeing daylight. It won’t take long.
Chicken little needs to retire.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 25, 2021, 04:25:16 PM
new variant is more infectious
unknown if vaccines slow the spread of transmission to others
unknown how long the vaccine is effective
unknown if vaccine is effective against mutations
and then apparently some countries are recognizing that non-medical masks aren't particularly effective.
(I'm assuming regulars understand were I stand on this...)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 25, 2021, 05:19:54 PM
All I could think of was, only two companies are producing vaccines, how hard is it to pick up a fucking phone and ask those two companies how many doses have been produced and where they have been shipped.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 25, 2021, 05:35:10 PM
On Special Report tonight on FOX News they played a clip form a lady in the Biden administration. She was complaining about not knowing where the vaccine was, how many does went where, etc, etc.
All I could think of was, only two companies are producing vaccines, how hard is it to pick up a fucking phone and ask those two companies how many doses have been produced and where they have been shipped.
Was she complaining about the previous administration not having this information?
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2021, 05:35:35 PM
On Special Report tonight on FOX News they played a clip form a lady in the Biden administration. She was complaining about not knowing where the vaccine was, how many does went where, etc, etc.
All I could think of was, only two companies are producing vaccines, how hard is it to pick up a fucking phone and ask those two companies how many doses have been produced and where they have been shipped.
Trump was all on top of that, he called everyone and got involved. He was very hands on.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 25, 2021, 05:38:02 PM
Was she complaining about the previous administration not having this information?Take a wild ass guess. ;D
Post by: nddons on January 26, 2021, 07:10:14 AM
On Special Report tonight on FOX News they played a clip form a lady in the Biden administration. She was complaining about not knowing where the vaccine was, how many does went where, etc, etc.Reminds me of two democrats on an elevator:
All I could think of was, only two companies are producing vaccines, how hard is it to pick up a fucking phone and ask those two companies how many doses have been produced and where they have been shipped.
https://youtu.be/RWttKddn_Hw
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 26, 2021, 07:42:28 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 26, 2021, 01:10:46 PM
Quote
The Natural Enemy of the PSYOP is the True Scientist
Unbeknownst (of course) to the architects of the two Covid PSYOPS of 2020 and 2021, an atmospheric scientist in Greensprings, Oregon, himself unafraid of controversy, was putting the finishing touches on a Covid-19 paper he’d begun to write three months earlier.
The bombshell paper is titled: “A Critical Review of CDC USA Data on Covid-19: PCR/Antigen Tests & Cases Reveal Herd Immunity Only, & Do Not Warrant Public Hysteria or Lockdown.” It was posted on two of his academic webpages on 16 Jan 2021. The links are here and here.
In it, Dr. James DeMeo, Ph.D., demolishes the central premise of global lockdown policies. That people are dying in massive and alarming numbers from a novel disease. He’d been waiting for the final statistics to come in for 2020. When they did, he noticed two spectacularly odd things: Firstly, if one subtracted the numbers of Covid deaths (around 315,000) from the total number of people who died from all causes in 2020 (around 2.9 million), one obtained a dramatically low number of total deaths, lower than in any year since 2014. It appeared to him that the reported number of “Covid” deaths were being re-defined and subtracted from other causes of deaths; the people who died of “co-morbidities” were being shifted over into the Covid category. Secondly, on January 3rd, the CDC released its year-end count of all-cause deaths in one dramatically high number—268,259 to be exact.
Post by: Rush on January 26, 2021, 07:35:22 PM
@steingar I’m interested in your opinion of this report.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 27, 2021, 06:34:14 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 27, 2021, 07:26:35 AM
Quote
China introduced a new method of coronavirus testing for those in quarantine which the country says is more accurate.
China said people who have tested positive continue to test positive for coronavirus through anal swab samples while testing negative through throat samples, according to state-run media, the Washington Post reported Wednesday.
“Everyone involved will be so embarrassed,” a Weibo user said, according to the Washington Post.
80% of respondents to a poll on the social media platform said they “could not accept” the new testing method, the outlet reported.
Chinese infectious disease experts believe the method could raise the rate of identifying people with coronavirus, according to the outlet. However, Chinese doctors believe the new testing method only makes sense in select groups, according to the Washington Post.
“If we add anal swab testing, it can raise our rate of identifying infected patients,” infectious-disease specialist Li Tongzeng said on state-run broadcaster CCTV on Sunday, Washington Post reported. “But of course considering that collecting anal swabs is not as convenient as throat swabs, at the moment only key groups such as those in quarantine receive both.”
The method of anal swab testing was published by the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention in March, according to the Washington Post. If a stool sample cannot be collected, an anal swab should be inserted one to two inches into the rectum, the outlet reported.
Post by: Rush on January 27, 2021, 07:35:00 AM
https://dailycaller.com/2021/01/27/china-coronavirus-testing-anal-swab-more-accurate-throat-swab/
Leave it to the Communist Chinese to literally violate you up the ass. I’m sure Fauci and our communist cabal here can’t wait to implement this in the U.S. Figuratively raping us in the ass with the stolen election gave them a taste for it.
Post by: Lucifer on January 27, 2021, 07:40:20 AM
Leave it to the Communist Chinese to literally violate you up the ass. I’m sure Fauci and our communist cabal here can’t wait to implement this in the U.S. Figuratively raping us in the ass with the stolen election gave them a taste for it.
People here in the US need to finally figure out what a fraud Pope Tony truly is and His Fraudulancy needs to push him into retirement.
Pope Tony continues to beclown himself every time he opens his pip-squeak mouth and starts making it up as he goes.
Post by: Anthony on January 27, 2021, 07:42:27 AM
People here in the US need to finally figure out what a fraud Pope Tony truly is and His Fraudulancy needs to push him into retirement.
Pope Tony continues to beclown himself every time he opens his pip-squeak mouth and starts making it up as he goes.
We need Direct Action, legally of course, against these elites.
Post by: Rush on January 27, 2021, 08:27:52 AM
We need Direct Action, legally of course, against these elites.
Wouldn't it be nice if we had a fair, functioning legal system? Wouldn't it be nice if our constitutionally guaranteed right to air our grievances were honored? We are no longer the U.S.A. land of the free.
Post by: Anthony on January 27, 2021, 08:43:20 AM
Wouldn't it be nice if we had a fair, functioning legal system? Wouldn't it be nice if our constitutionally guaranteed right to air our grievances were honored? We are no longer the U.S.A. land of the free.
Functioning legal system, real elections, non-oppressive Government, Tech, Media, Corporate sectors, etc. Yes it would be nice. The problem is folks our age remember when we had that. They want us to forget and/or just die off.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 27, 2021, 08:52:21 AM
We need Direct Action, legally of course,against these elites.
How’d that work out with President Trump’s election fraud suits that were dismissed without even hearing evidence?
Post by: Rush on January 27, 2021, 08:59:08 AM
How’d that work out with President Trump’s election fraud suits that were dismissed without even hearing evidence?
What do a people do when their attempts at legal redress are dismissed?
“When in the course of human events....”
Post by: Anthony on January 27, 2021, 09:17:40 AM
How’d that work out with President Trump’s election fraud suits that were dismissed without even hearing evidence?
Exactly my point. I'm even scared to put it in green these days.
Post by: Rush on January 27, 2021, 02:38:09 PM
I don’t suppose you remember who posted that video about Fauci causing covid? Or who the reporter was. Was it Fox?
Oh, this guy:
https://www.mediamatters.org/maria-bartiromo/fox-host-claims-dr-fauci-responsible-creation-covid-19
Post by: Lucifer on January 27, 2021, 03:00:44 PM
I don’t suppose you remember who posted that video about Fauci causing covid? Or who the reporter was. Was it Fox?
Oh, this guy:
https://www.mediamatters.org/maria-bartiromo/fox-host-claims-dr-fauci-responsible-creation-covid-19
Steve Hilton
Post by: Lucifer on January 27, 2021, 03:05:05 PM
I don’t suppose you remember who posted that video about Fauci causing covid? Or who the reporter was. Was it Fox?
Oh, this guy:
https://www.mediamatters.org/maria-bartiromo/fox-host-claims-dr-fauci-responsible-creation-covid-19
I see the CCP sponsored "content reviewers" removed the video.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 27, 2021, 03:14:19 PM
Post by: Lucifer on January 28, 2021, 06:35:30 PM
It's Time We Started Counting the Victims of Anthony Fauci's Lockdowns & Asking Ourselves How Likely It Is They Weren't Intended
Quote
The competition is stiff.
And there are oh-so-many contenders.
So, choosing a winner is bound to come down to just a matter of taste.
But if I had to pick the most reprehensibly bone-chilling statement we’ve heard since this year-long Chicom-induced nightmare began—the sort of remark betraying a level of callous disregard for human suffering more befitting a demon than a human being—it would be Anthony Fauci’s stomach-turning October claim that he can’t think of a single reason America might have suffered any “excess deaths” in 2020 apart from COVID-19.
A stunning contention coming from anyone, to be sure.
But to hear the celebrity spokesperson for inflicting Xi Jinping and his Chinese Communist cohorts’ preposterous and unheard of counsel that we suddenly start ignoring the difference between the sick and the healthy by pushing the mere possibility that symptomless people might spread COVID-19—which Fauci himself noted in January was scientifically impossible—in a flagrantly malevolent attempt to push us into taking the catastrophic step of locking the whole place down is almost too much to bear.
That an official collecting the most handsome of salaries to safeguard the public’s health would be so soullessly evil as to use his authority to, instead, intentionally inflict an atrocity on the American people is bound to be tough for a normal decent human being to grasp.
But if you’re among the many still insisting that Anthony Fauci brought down this mountain of hardship, misery, and death on our heads out of incompetence or pathological vanity, you need to sit down for a few minutes and start reflecting on the obvious facts that have been staring you in the face for at least half a year now.
For though the media’s incessant hype about life-long bureaucrat Anthony Fauci’s unmatched scientific prowess is worse than a load of rubbish… if the opinion of the Nobel Prize-winning inventor of the process used to test for COVID-19 counts for anything, at any rate:
Even a wretched bureaucracy-climbing mediocrity like Anthony Fauci had to know exactly what he was doing when he pushed the nation into his catastrophic lockdowns.
Indeed, the malignant little puppet’s own pronouncements conclusively demonstrate that he knew exactly what he was about.
Think about all he’s said and, perhaps even more tellingly, all that Anthony Fauci has neglected to say in the last awful year.
On January 28, 2020, Fauci himself asserted what former Pfizer head-of-research, Dr. Mike Yeadon has termed a “broad rule of biology” and what every man, woman, and child in America already knew before Fauci and his media enablers twisted our minds into knots:
PEOPLE WITHOUT SYMPTOMS DO NOT SPREAD RESPIRATORY VIRUSES!
We now know from numerous studies that COVID-19 is no different.
But the fact is there was never a shred of evidence that SARS-CoV-2—which is just one among a family of respiratory viruses humanity has been dealing with from time immemorial—was an exception to Dr. Yeadon’s broad rule of biology.
Not even Fauci himself claimed otherwise when he changed his tune in a February 26 New York Times article that reads like a straight-up piece of Chicom lockdown propaganda:
“I don’t think there’s any question that someone who is without symptoms and carrying the virus can transmit the virus to somebody else,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
“The question is, how prevalent is that phenomenon? Is that becoming an important driver of the outbreaks, or is it an unusual occurrence?”
When asymptomatic carriers are important factors in an outbreak, he said, “you are going to put greater emphasis and burden on testing people.” [emphasis mine]
Even had Fauci cited some research suggesting that asymptomatic transmission was a threat, one doesn’t overturn broad rules of biology based on a few hastily done studies.
But, as you can plainly see, Fauci himself admitted it was at best an open question whether people not showing symptoms were in any real danger of spreading COVID-19.
So, how could all the carnage that was sure to inexorably follow from locking the whole place down been justified based on a mere theoretical possibility that Fauci himself had stated less than one month before had never occurred in all of human history?
Moreover, how could Anthony Fauci have been anything but flagrantly lying when he tried to terrify us with talk of what happens “when asymptomatic carriers are an important factor” in that NY Times piece given that, again, less than a month earlier he explicitly noted they never have been in all of history!
And how could Fauci’s March 11, 2020, testimony to Congress that COVID-19 is “at least 10 times more lethal” than the flu be anything but perjury given that,—just 11 days before—he explicitly told his fellow experts unlikely to fall for bogus stats that, au contraire, it would probably turn out to be “akin” to a “severe seasonal influenza”?
But, Fauci didn’t just admit to his peers what Stanford epidemiologist, John Ioannidis, was desperately trying to get us to understand in March and later confirmed in April…
In that February 28 New England Journal of Medicine piece asserting that COVID-19 was likely to be comparable to the flu, Fauci explained exactly why the stats he would go on to terrorize Congress with a mere 10 days later were bogus!
Because only the most severe COVID-19 cases were getting tested in those early days, “the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases.” Hence, Fauci explained:
[T]he overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%)
Yet, just 11 days later—as you can plainly see in the above video of his testimony—the cretinous liar told Congress that if “all the asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic” cases are counted, COVID-19 turns out to be, instead, “10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu.” Fauci even went so far as to explicitly address his lies to the American people as “something they can wrap their arms around and understand.”
Perhaps now you see why—in addition to insisting that Fauci is a charlatan who “doesn’t know anything” about medicine or science—the Nobel Prize-winning inventor of the process used to test for COVID-19, Kary Mullis, also tried to warn us before he died in August 2019 that:
Tony Fauci does not mind going on television–in front of the people who pay his salary–and lie directly into the camera.
But, regardless of Kary Mullis’s prescient warning, what more proof could there possibly be that the stats Anthony Fauci used to terrorize us into accepting his catastrophic lockdowns just 11 days after his New England Journal of Medicine article appeared directly contradicting every single word were deliberate perjury?
But the proof that Fauci flagrantly lied so we’d consent to shutting down the whole country in some ways pales in comparison to all that he didn‘t say.
For heaven’s sake, if not for yourself and your family, then for all those consigned to an early grave because Fauci convinced us to shut down medical care for cancer, heart disease, and a host of other ailments vastly more deadly than COVID-19, ask yourself one question:
Is it even remotely plausible that he didn’t fully understand the massive quantity of ugly, painful, and entirely preventable deaths he was about to cause or that—as we saw above he continues to insist—to this day it’s never occurred to Anthony Fauci that people will die of cancer if you stop them from getting diagnosed and treated?
Think about whether it’s possible Anthony Fauci didn’t willfully inflict this atrocity on us for all the sad deluded souls he terrorized into thinking a disease which—as he himself admitted—is no more deadly than a severe seasonal flu was a reason to be too afraid to take the necessary step of leaving their bloody homes to get treatment when it became available…
Random people on Twitter were warning of the massive increase in suicides and drug overdoses Fauci’s lockdowns were sure to bring from the very beginning…
I myself pointed out that Fauci’s counsel was bound to drive countless past the brink of despair way back in March, as did those with much larger platforms:
Yet we’re supposed to believe that none of this occurred and to this day still hasn’t occurred to Anthony Fauci.
So, for all the shuttered businesses, lost jobs, and lives destroyed…
…and for all the poor souls already struggling under the wretched burden of depression or addiction driven to the most miserable and degrading possible death because of Anthony Fauci’s single-minded determination to inflict social isolation and an unrelenting state of terror on the nation, think about whether it’s remotely possible that he didn’t willfully cause their agonizing final hours among the living feeling alone, abandoned, and unloved.
And for all the people strong enough to thus far survive the horror inflicted on us but who’s suffering, nonetheless, it would be a crime to ignore, realize how obscene and preposterous it is to suggest that Anthony Fauci had no idea and to this day still doesn’t that locking down the entire country would have any negative consequences at all.
But, if all of that isn’t enough to make you face the plain facts that have been staring you in the face for almost a year now, perhaps you need to look at the faces of some of the children who couldn’t bear the torturous isolation Anthony Fauci inflicted on them by terrorizing the nation with his despicable lies about COVID-19.
A Twitter user has started compiling a list of just the smallest fraction of the completely predictable carnage Fauci’s lies have caused that he wants us to believe he’s never considered.
Take a look at the faces of all these children who took their own lives because their young souls weren’t strong enough to bear the hideously cruel and unnatural terror-stricken isolation that Anthony Fauci was so determined to inflict on us all with his flagrant lies.
Make everyone you know do the same.
Because I’m sorry to tell you. We’ve long passed reach the point where anyone denying that all these and oh-so-many more deaths are on Anthony Fauci’s head is himself complicit in inflicting this murderous atrocity on the American people.
And if Anthony Fauci and those who collaborated in creating this atrocity aren’t arrested, tried, and subjected to the swiftest and most merciless possible justice, each and every one of us will have to stand before God with at least one grievous stain on our souls for allowing them to escape an earthly day of reckoning for their monstrous crimes.
Post by: Lucifer on January 31, 2021, 07:15:58 AM
Now we have found out there was no plan, and it's a total shit show in the Xiden Administration with His Fraudulancy throwing in the towel.
Now we have this shit show https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/30/biden-covid-vaccine-states-463953
(note: Politico is a left wing site)
Quote
Joe Biden promised he’d bring in a competent, tested team to run the pandemic response, set ambitious vaccination targets and impose strict public health guidelines.
His team arrived at the White House with a 200-page response plan ready to roll out. But instead, they have spent much of the last week trying to wrap their hands around the mushrooming crisis — a process officials acknowledge has been humbling, and triggered a concerted effort to temper expectations about how quickly they might get the nation back to normal.
After a week on the job, Biden’s team is still trying to locate upwards of 20 million vaccine doses that have been sent to states — a mystery that has hampered plans to speed up the national vaccination effort. They're searching for new ways to boost production of a vaccine stockpile that they've discovered is mostly empty. And they're nervously eyeing a series of new Covid-19 strains that threaten to derail the response.
“It’s the Mike Tyson quote: ‘Everybody’s got a plan until they get punched in the mouth,’” said one person with knowledge of the vaccine effort who’s not authorized to discuss the work. “They are planning. They are competent. It’s just the weight of everything when you sit down in that chair. It’s heavy.”
Biden officials leading the coronavirus response launched a series of regular briefings this week to keep the public informed on the state of the pandemic and government efforts to contain it and rush vaccines out to as many Americans as possible.
But the briefings were short on details. And behind the scenes, officials say, the team was still struggling to get a handle on basic information, liaise with the career government workers who have been running the response and build out a long-term strategy for bringing — and then keeping — the virus under control.
Post by: Username on January 31, 2021, 07:44:59 AM
Post by: Rush on January 31, 2021, 08:05:00 AM
So His Fraudulancy had a "great plan" to control the scamdemic, he just couldn't tell us about it until after the election.
Now we have found out there was no plan, and it's a total shit show in the Xiden Administration with His Fraudulancy throwing in the towel.
Now we have this shit show https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/30/biden-covid-vaccine-states-463953
(note: Politico is a left wing site)
We would all be better off if they did nothing, just left us the fuck alone.
Post by: Lucifer on January 31, 2021, 08:15:14 AM
We would all be better off if they did nothing, just left us the fuck alone.
They can't. Covidiocy is the greatest gift to the leftist. It has accomplished in weeks what they couldn't accomplish in decades.
We are now stuck under this crap which will keep evolving, unless people wake up and put a stop to it.
Post by: Steingar on February 01, 2021, 10:43:17 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 01, 2021, 11:07:57 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 01, 2021, 11:51:01 AM
It isn't clear at this point whether a vaccinated person can still be infected by COVID and act as a carrier while their immune system fights off the infection. Absent such data the most prudent course is to wear a mask and practice social distancing to protect those around you.
I posted earlier on this thread (replies #6 and #12) on trials done on the two main mRNA vaccines. During the challenge trials, in which monkeys were infected post-vaccination, the virus was effectively gone by the second day.
These are the studies:
Moderna:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671 (https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2024671)
In particular Figure 3. Note the vertical axis is log base 10. Also note that the 100 ug test dose is, IIRC, the one chosen for use on humans.
Pfizer:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.08.280818v1.full.pdf (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.08.280818v1.full.pdf)
Figure 4, pg 32, is a summary of that challenge study. Also log base 10 on vertical scale.
Only outlier is the nasal swab on day 1 of the Pfizer study in which the viral count of 6 vaccinated monkeys is one order of magnitude greater than the 3 unvaccinated monkeys. The Moderna had two orders of magnitude less in the same period using 8 monkeys in each group.
Opinion:
My personal assessment of these results is that it is highly probable that a vaccinated human who is heavily infected by the virus might be infectious to others for a day at most - a modest infection would likely be no more infectious to others than an unvaccinated infected person wearing a mask. Under normal day-to-day encounters a mask would be redundant at best. Only persons in a health care system might be advised to wear a mask.
Post by: nddons on February 01, 2021, 12:39:29 PM
Some people seem quite comfortable with everyone wearing masks, forever. So we can all be like little happy Asians getting their daily rations from their government.
I was at a local bar with a buddy a couple weeks ago about A&P stuff and my Navion. We had drinks and dinner while sitting at the bar, and the bar was full. Three people walked in wearing masks, looked in horror at the maskless crowd, and left. More of that needs to happen.
Can you imagine walking around AirVenture in 95 degree heat with a face mask?
Post by: bflynn on February 01, 2021, 01:33:28 PM
It isn't clear at this point whether a vaccinated person can still be infected by COVID and act as a carrier while their immune system fights off the infection. Absent such data the most prudent course is to wear a mask and practice social distancing to protect those around you.
Wouldn't the most prudent choice be to stop guessing and do some...I dunno...science? If only we could sample people who have had the virus and the vaccine vs the general population and see if they actually do carry a virus and at what level, even though they're immune.
We will never eradicate this virus. It will always be around, what we will do reduce it to a level that each person can decide for themselves what their correct preventative measure is. By observation, with a vaccine, it will not even be as bad as the flu.
Post by: Little Joe on February 01, 2021, 02:42:35 PM
Wouldn't the most prudent choice be to stop guessing and do some...I dunno...science? If only we could sample people who have had the virus and the vaccine vs the general population and see if they actually do carry a virus and at what level, even though they're immune.I agree that we will never eliminate the virus. But with a one-two punch, we can make it irrelevant.
We will never eradicate this virus. It will always be around, what we will do reduce it to a level that each person can decide for themselves what their correct preventative measure is. By observation, with a vaccine, it will not even be as bad as the flu.
1. A good vaccine, even if it has to be administered every year like the flu vaccine.
2. Better treatments so that if one does get the virus, they don't die and can knock it out and/or reduce it's symptoms.
With those two things, we will learn to live with it like we so the flu or the common cold.
Post by: Lucifer on February 01, 2021, 02:54:24 PM
I agree that we will never eliminate the virus. But with a one-two punch, we can make it irrelevant.
1. A good vaccine, even if it has to be administered every year like the flu vaccine.
2. Better treatments so that if one does get the virus, they don't die and can knock it out and/or reduce it's symptoms.
With those two things, we will learn to live with it like we so the flu or the common cold.
The flu kills thousands upon thousands each year. The vaccine for it is only limited in it's effectiveness.
Yet we didn't destroy our economy and the lives of untold millions, and place draconian medieval restrictions over the flu.
Influenza will never be irrelevant.
Post by: Rush on February 01, 2021, 02:59:04 PM
Post by: nddons on February 01, 2021, 03:33:58 PM
We already have perfectly good treatments. Have all along. Even the AMA now sheepishly admits hydroxychloroquine is a good treatment. There are others, and we know that having a high vitamin D level greatly reduces the severity of the disease. If all of this were publicized and aggressively implemented this thing would be less of a problem than any garden variety flu and we’d hardly have a need for a vaccine. But then that wouldn’t make billions for the already rich and it wouldn’t fulfill the Democrats’ sadistic pleasure in ruining people’s livelihoods and muzzling everyone.I wish there was a single button so I wouldn’t have to type ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ for nearly every one of Rush’s posts.
Post by: Rush on February 01, 2021, 03:55:07 PM
I wish there was a single button so I wouldn’t have to type ^^^^^THIS^^^^^ for nearly every one of Rush’s posts.
Awwww :-*
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 01, 2021, 04:42:53 PM
;)
Post by: Little Joe on February 01, 2021, 05:41:21 PM
do we have to say it?I'd tell Stan and Rush to get a room,
;)
But I want that room. (But not with Stan).
Post by: Rush on February 01, 2021, 06:33:04 PM
Post by: bflynn on February 01, 2021, 06:35:12 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 02, 2021, 06:09:54 AM
Weapons of Mask Distraction
Quote
After running on a promise to fix the pandemic, Biden admitted, “there’s nothing we can do to change the trajectory of the pandemic in the next several months.”
Except wear two masks.
"To Prevent COVID, wear 2 masks," The Los Angeles Times declares. "Time to double," The Washington Post urges. "Health authority recommends Laredoans limit leaving their homes, or wear two masks if they must," The Laredo Morning Times warns.
But, unlike Doublemint gum, no one thinks that two masks will double the fun.
Well maybe one man does.
"It just makes common sense," Dr. Fauci said on NBC in one of the innumerable television appearances that have made him the country's highest-paid federal employee.
That upgrades Fauci’s masking recommendations from zero to one to two.
"There's no reason to be walking around with a mask," Fauci had told CBS in March of last year. “When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is."
It’s just common sense.
Fauci has since explained that he said that then because there was a mask shortage, but we can trust him to tell the truth now. Unless there’s a good reason for us not to know about it.
So we’ve gone from “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask” to wear two of them.
“So if you have a physical covering with one layer, you put another layer on, it just makes common sense that it would likely be more effective,” Fauci told NBC.
“Likely” is exactly the sort of evidence-based assertion you like to hear from the science party.
But if two masks are good, then three should be even better. And CNBC, getting ahead of the curve, has begun urging viewers to start wearing three masks. And then, before long, in an echo of Animal Farm, it’ll be “Two Masks Good, Four Masks Better” until we’re up to infinite masks.
The weapons of mask distraction being deployed just after Biden took office is no coincidence.
Biden’s takeover has seen states and cities from California to D.C. begin lowering their lockdowns. Something else needs to take its place. When Biden ran for office with a pandemic plan that consisted of telling everyone to wear masks, it was a culture war issue. Between 66% and 70% of Americans now wear masks. And those numbers are even higher in affected areas.
People are least likely to wear masks in rural areas and most likely to wear them in urban areas.
A New York Times street survey found 75% of city residents wearing masks. In many areas the numbers went as high as 100%. The exceptions, despite media culture war narratives about white people being less likely to wear masks (actually a rural vs urban split), were black men.
And the New York Times took the lead in pushing double masking.
Cargo cults and culture wars only work when there’s a sharp split. When more people began to wear masks, the proprietors of the mask wars had to up the virtue signaling ante by doubling it.
Double masking offers the opportunity to restart the mask wars, shaming and berating people for not wearing two masks, and blaming them for the pandemic.
If you don’t wear two masks, you’re killing people.
And then it’s on to three masks.
The moment the suburban mom rushing three unruly kids on break from learning nothing over Zoom to pick up organic groceries at the supermarket thinks she has mastered the new social mask code, it gets switched up to make her feel like a bad person if she doesn’t compensate.
The mask goal posts have to keep moving to maintain the division and preserve the illusion.
If two masks were more effective than one, why weren’t Fauci and the experts recommending them during the worst of the surge? The current pretext that double masking might be needed because of more infectious strains makes very little sense because the virus isn’t airborne.
Whether a mutant strain might be more infectious or not doesn’t have anything to do with whether it’s more likely to get through a mask by piggybacking on someone’s saliva droplets.
Even if the virus has become more infectious, saliva droplets haven’t gotten any smaller.
Fauci was right the first time. Mask mandates haven’t actually worked. There’s no real evidence that implementing them has changed anything. Masks may at best offer some limited benefits in individual cases, but they’re a cultural statement of values, not a viable defense against a virus.
Masks conceal and reveal. What a mask shows most clearly is the need to hide something.
The establishment put on masks to hide its incompetence as the same experts and elites who want to run our lives proved unable to manage an actual crisis. The dirty little secret of the expert class is that, like Fauci, it excels at television appearances, at talking points, and wielding power, but it’s utterly incapable of solving any problems that can’t be spun on television.
A virus is objective reality. You can’t make it go away by reciting talking points about equity at it.
Vaccination showed the competence gap between California and New York elites, who had binders full of racial equity quotas but couldn’t manage to vaccinate anyone except Democrat politicians, and the ‘rubes’ in West Virginia and North Dakota holding the top two spots.
West Virginians and North Dakotans are a lot less likely to wear masks, but give them something to actually do and they get it done. New Yorkers and Californians won’t notice though because they’ll be worried over whether two masks are enough and go looking for three.
What we tend to forget is that the Soviet Union wasn’t just a murderous Communist dictatorship, its leaders kept killing people because they couldn’t accomplish even the most basic tasks. The Communists were bailed out early on with American wheat after a famine and they ended their corrupt regime by going deep into debt buying American wheat because whether they killed people or just kept them poor and miserable, socialist collective farming still didn’t work.
Socialists are corrupt, abusive, and fanatical. They’re also incompetent at real life tasks.
A program of political repression, complete with scapegoats, is how corrupt socialist elites divert attention from their mishandling of the economy, war, and any other crisis that comes along.
America’s elites are fantastic at playing games with imaginary money and building narratives out of thin air to excuse their latest power grab. America isn’t coming apart at the seams because 2020 was an extraordinarily bad year. It was a bad year because the ruling class took a manageable crisis, botched it, exploited it, added race riots and a culture war on top, divided the country, destroyed public trust and social stability. And plans to double down on all that in 2021.
Telling everyone to wear two masks is almost a game in which the expert class, giggling off-camera, sees if it can convince Americans to double mask and then triple mask.
It’s a victory only in the sense that Madoff bilking another investor was a big win.
Democrats keep insisting that they’re on the right side of history, but history ruthlessly punishes incompetence and rewards competence. That’s why America became a winning proposition.
The world is filled with backward dictatorships run by inept elites who spend all day partying and broadcasting propaganda at an angry populace. The Obama generation of lefty political elites have done little more original than combine mass propaganda with totalitarianism. Destroying the social fabric and institutional credibility of the country to take power is a very short-term win.
Countries don’t just run into political problems that can be countered with political repression. Politics is the debate about who gets to steer the ship and in which direction. Outside there are icebergs, tsunamis, and subtler dangers that can’t be overcome as easily as political opponents.
Deploying another round of the weapons of mask distraction is meant to distract the public from the fact that there wouldn’t be a virus if the elites hadn’t opened the borders and outsourced the economy to China. President Trump’s policies were exactly the thing that would have saved us from the pandemic and then we wouldn’t need one mask, two masks, or two hundred masks.
When your borders are wide open, drugs, terrorists, and viruses will pour through.
The Left opposed travel bans and walls for our borders, but is enthusiastic about sticking a mask on the face of every single American because that’s who it really wants to repress.
The pandemic may have masked Americans, but it unmasked their ruling class.
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2021, 06:21:28 AM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=1823;image)
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2021, 06:53:10 AM
Anybody else not see the picture in Safari?
Edit: I will try turning me device off and then on again, LOL.
Post by: Lucifer on February 02, 2021, 06:57:02 AM
So I posted a picture and did what you said Lucifer with the right click and image link and now it does not show up in Safari but does show up on my desktop.
Anybody else not see the picture in Safari?
Edit: I will try turning me device off and then on again, LOL.
no pic here. attach it as a file and also place the IMG in there.
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2021, 06:59:57 AM
no pic here. attach it as a file and also place the IMG in there.
Could have sworn in the other thread I was able to remove the attachment and the picture stayed.
Post by: bflynn on February 02, 2021, 07:01:36 AM
Post by: Dweyant on February 02, 2021, 07:13:39 AM
Interesting article about continued immunity after having Covid.
Looks like there is no reason to wear a mask after you have covid (and recover) or after you get vaccinated, and well probably know reason even before that as well.
-Dan
Post by: Dweyant on February 02, 2021, 07:18:30 AM
Amazing, something positive about progress. I'm sure it is all because of Xiden's new policies of course...
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/01/briefing/vaccination-myanmar-coup-rochester-police.html
Post by: Lucifer on February 02, 2021, 07:19:00 AM
Maybe this will make them happy.
Just wait until they start "covid dress codes". The government will adopt a "uniform" for the citizens to wear to "protect" them from covid.
Of course, the new uniform will have meaning, the four pockets are said to represent the Four Virtues of propriety, justice, honesty, and shame; and the five buttons the branches of the government (Executive, Legislative, Judicial, Examination, Control).
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/7wsAAOSwn55eHWWg/s-l500.jpg)
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2021, 07:19:18 AM
Room...dungeon...your call.
LOL! No, that particular kink I am not into. I cannot stand having something over my face, the little blue paper masks are bad enough, I feel like I'm suffocating.
In fact, the two mask thing is insane. Double the inability to breath oxygen. That can't be good.
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2021, 07:23:48 AM
Another one.
Amazing, something positive about progress. I'm sure it is all because of Xiden's new policies of course...
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/01/briefing/vaccination-myanmar-coup-rochester-police.html
This common sense paragraph from that article:
Quote
Yet we don’t need to eliminate it for life to return to normal. We instead need to downgrade it from a deadly pandemic to a normal virus. Once that happens, adults can go back to work, and children back to school. Grandparents can nuzzle their grandchildren, and you can meet your friends at a restaurant.
The new regime doesn't want that and won't allow that. They're going to milk this as long as possible and when the rona is no longer a factor they'll use seasonal flu to make us lock down and wear masks indefinitely. They have discovered that making the population stay at home, and destroying small businesses, keeps us docile and weak and dependent.
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2021, 07:30:52 AM
Could have sworn in the other thread I was able to remove the attachment and the picture stayed.
No, it was the joke thread with the bats (Bernie included). I thought it stayed because I was on my desktop but I checked it on my iPad just now and it too is gone, so I added it back as an attachment.
That must be an issue with some browsers. Or does the link only exist within one's own machine's cookies? And when you remove the attachment, the pilotspin website no longer hosts the link?
Post by: Lucifer on February 02, 2021, 07:36:08 AM
And when you remove the attachment, the pilotspin website no longer hosts the link?
Correct
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2021, 07:51:14 AM
Correct
But it was showing up in Firefox on my desktop. It must be saving it on my machine in the cache. I will go to the “forum feedback” section and test it. Post something then clear the cache then see if it disappears.
But first I have to go get blood drawn. They told me I can have NO COFFEE! What the hell? They used to let you have black coffee. I’m running on half cylinders here.
Post by: bflynn on February 02, 2021, 09:37:06 AM
LOL! No, that particular kink I am not into. I cannot stand having something over my face, the little blue paper masks are bad enough, I feel like I'm suffocating.
In fact, the two mask thing is insane. Double the inability to breath oxygen. That can't be good.
What I just heard is that there are other kinks you're into. ;)
Otherwise, who said you would be the one wearing the mask?
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2021, 10:02:58 AM
What I just heard is that there are other kinks you're into. ;)
And I don’t just eat vanilla ice cream either. What of it?
Quote
Otherwise, who said you would be the one wearing the mask?
Good point. But I wouldn’t like them on my partner(s) either. I like to see a man’s face. Or woman, whatever. ;D
Post by: Lucifer on February 02, 2021, 10:25:45 AM
I like to see a man’s face. Or woman, whatever. ;D
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F3oEjHKvjqt5pssL99C%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1)
Post by: bflynn on February 02, 2021, 10:31:53 AM
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2021, 11:06:18 AM
Thanks, I needed the laugh today - a little stressful here.
I just got back from my doctor, annual physical, and they asked me all kinds of questions. So they asked, what is your stress level, low, some, a lot? I said "Some," and she said, "What are you stressed about? Work? Home?" I said, "The state of the country."
Post by: Steingar on February 02, 2021, 12:33:27 PM
I posted earlier on this thread (replies #6 and #12) on trials done on the two main mRNA vaccines. During the challenge trials, in which monkeys were infected post-vaccination, the virus was effectively gone by the second day.
Monkeys aren't humans, except perhaps for a few of the posters in this thread.
Opinion:
My personal assessment of these results is that it is highly probable that a vaccinated human who is heavily infected by the virus might be infectious to others for a day at most - a modest infection would likely be no more infectious to others than an unvaccinated infected person wearing a mask. Under normal day-to-day encounters a mask would be redundant at best. Only persons in a health care system might be advised to wear a mask.
And when you've a PhD in a related discipline and a pile of statistically significant results I'll value your opinion. Until then you're a stranger on a message board who for all I know could be a 30 year old guy living in hi smother's basement eating mayonnaise out of a jar.
Wouldn't the most prudent choice be to stop guessing and do some...I dunno...science? If only we could sample people who have had the virus and the vaccine vs the general population and see if they actually do carry a virus and at what level, even though they're immune.
The level of idiotic discourse on this site sometimes surprises even me. How much of this kind of science do you think has been done on vaccines that haven't been in wide distribution for more than a couple months?
Post by: Number7 on February 02, 2021, 01:45:26 PM
don't feed ignorant trolls.
Post by: bflynn on February 02, 2021, 01:48:21 PM
The level of idiotic discourse on this site sometimes surprises even me. How much of this kind of science do you think has been done on vaccines that haven't been in wide distribution for more than a couple months?
I believe none has been done. But shouldn't we study the problem rather than just guessing?
Post by: nddons on February 02, 2021, 05:38:06 PM
I just got back from my doctor, annual physical, and they asked me all kinds of questions. So they asked, what is your stress level, low, some, a lot? I said "Some," and she said, "What are you stressed about? Work? Home?" I said, "The state of the country."If I may ask, how did the doctor respond?
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2021, 05:57:14 PM
If I may ask, how did the doctor respond?
“I hear that,” nodding in agreement.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 03, 2021, 08:04:10 AM
Post by: jb1842 on February 03, 2021, 08:08:03 AM
Had exact same conversation with my doctor. He said things should start to improve under the Biden administration.
Time to find a new doctor.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 03, 2021, 10:19:25 AM
Had exact same conversation with my doctor. He said things should start to improve under the Biden administration.
Your doctor shouldn't drink
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 03, 2021, 10:53:50 AM
I believe none has been done. But shouldn't we study the problem rather than just guessing?
According to this article there are studies underway intended to provide a clear answer on whether the vaccines produce sterilizing immunity or just effective immunity:
Can vaccines stop the spread of coronavirus? (https://www.politico.eu/article/can-vaccines-stop-the-spread-of-coronavirus/)
“Evidence on its way
For now, Altmann notes, the early news from Israel shows the BioNTech/Pfizer mRNA vaccine “is already driving transmission right down.”
With vaccines now widely rolled out in the U.K. — 4 million doses have now been administered — researchers are starting to study how well they stop the spread of the virus.
In its vaccine surveillance strategy, Public Health England (PHE) said understanding whether vaccines reduce transmission "will inform policy decisions around whether to prioritize vaccinating those with worse outcomes or those who transmit more."
Two studies are already underway to investigate whether vaccination reduces the risk of transmission in health care workers and care home staff, two frequently tested groups. There's also a study checking for symptomatic and asymptomatic secondary cases in households, the PHE plan notes, comparing secondary infection rates where the primary case has been vaccinated to those where the primary case didn't receive the jab.
Despite all the unanswered questions, Altmann describes himself as “moderately optimistic” that vaccines will have a positive effect on reducing transmission and points to the PHE effort as an important signpost.
The results will “come out in the wash fairly rapidly,” he said.”
Post by: Rush on February 03, 2021, 11:28:20 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 03, 2021, 06:38:01 PM
Quote
Cue the federal mask cops. Americans are now required to wear masks in planes, trains, buses, subways, taxis, car services, boats, and transportation hubs, per a new order from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) that took effect today. Masks must be of a style approved by the federal government and must fit properly. Failure to comply will result in being prohibited from traveling, booted from the transit in question, and potential criminal penalties.
The order will be enforced by Transportation Security Administration (TSA) agents and "other federal authorities," as well as state and local officials. "To the extent permitted by law…federal agencies are required to implement additional measures enforcing the provisions of this Order," the CDC says.
"CDC reserves the right to enforce through criminal penalties," the agency adds, though it claims not to intend "to rely primarily on these criminal penalties." The feds may also implement "additional civil measures enforcing the provisions" of the order (which "is not a rule within the meaning of the Administrative Procedure Act," the CDC notes, "but rather is an emergency action").
Creating a vast network of law enforcement officials empowered to enforce these mask rules will of course provide a handy new excuse for monitoring and surveilling citizens.
Meanwhile, deputizing federal agents, state authorities, and local cops to enforce transit mask rules will open up all sorts of new police harassment and abuse opportunities.
Only targeting people without masks might not seem to leave a lot of room for discriminatory enforcement. But the CDC order doesn't just stop at people not wearing masks. In fact, it leaves a lot up to officials' discretion.
For instance, travelers can take masks off while eating, drinking, or taking medication—leaving room for a lot of individual judgments in how long it's reasonable or appropriate to remove a mask for during these activities, as well as misinterpretation in whether someone is allowed to have a mask on or off at a given moment.
The CDC order also says it's not enough to simply wear a mask—it has to be a certain kind of mask. It can't be a bandana, scarf, ski mask, or balaclava. It can't fit too loosely or too tightly. It can't contain an exhalation valve or be made from knitted fabrics, leather, plastic, or vinyl.
Again, that leaves a lot of room for authorities to choose who they target for enforcement.
"The CDC rule came just over a week after Biden's executive order, which already mandated masks on certain modes of public transportation including planes and trains, and it mandated masks on federal property," notes The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
The new CDC rules apply to any passengers, operators, or staff of any "aircraft, train, road vehicle, vessel…or other means of transport," including "rideshares meaning arrangements where passengers travel in a privately owned road vehicle driven by its owner in connection with a fee or service." The order also applies "on the premises of a transportation hub," defined as "any airport, bus terminal, marina, seaport or other port, subway station, terminal (including any fixed facility at which passengers are picked-up or discharged), train station, U.S. port of entry, or any other location that provides transportation subject to the jurisdiction of the United States."
Kids under two years old, people with disabilities that disallow them from wearing masks, and people for whom "wearing a mask would create a risk to workplace health, safety, or job duty" are exempted.
Post by: Rush on February 03, 2021, 06:52:11 PM
Post by: nddons on February 03, 2021, 07:00:46 PM
Wow, kids under two? Wanna try to get a 4 year old to wear a mask? What the hell is wrong with these idiots.They won’t be happy until an entire generation of kids need federally-funded mental health care due to living behind a mask and not being able to interact with fellow human beings.
Post by: Number7 on February 03, 2021, 08:37:49 PM
Wow, kids under two? Wanna try to get a 4 year old to wear a mask? What the hell is wrong with these idiots.
Liberals are stupid.
It's really easy.
Post by: elwood blues on February 03, 2021, 09:56:04 PM
Post by: Number7 on February 04, 2021, 04:54:16 AM
No, it's deeper than that. They're actually evil.
Being evil does not prevent
Liberals from being stupid.
Post by: Rush on February 04, 2021, 06:14:15 AM
Post by: jb1842 on February 04, 2021, 06:15:23 AM
Liberals are stupid.
It's really easy.
People can be born stupid. Liberals choose to be the way they are. That's worse than being stupid.
Post by: Lucifer on February 04, 2021, 06:33:26 AM
People can be born stupid. Liberals choose to be the way they are. That's worse than being stupid.
For some liberals, I actually believe it's a mental disorder, much like a compulsive liar.
Post by: Anthony on February 04, 2021, 08:29:53 AM
People can be born stupid. Liberals choose to be the way they are. That's worse than being stupid.
They voluntarily support policy that will damage their standard of living and quality of life. Madness. We're too affluent as a society.
Post by: Number7 on February 04, 2021, 09:06:28 AM
But they're still stupid.
Post by: nddons on February 04, 2021, 09:08:42 AM
Many people decide that being blind and stupid requires almost no effort and their innate laziness takes over.Which is why the democrats win when we make voting as easy and insecure as possible.
But they're still stupid.
Post by: Lucifer on February 04, 2021, 12:44:41 PM
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1357381715401056256
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 04, 2021, 01:12:41 PM
Post by: Rush on February 04, 2021, 01:13:09 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 04, 2021, 01:49:49 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 08, 2021, 07:24:20 AM
Get Ready to Fight ‘Forever Covid’
By Buck Sexton -February 8, 2021
Quote
This is the nightmare some of us have been warning you about. You probably thought, for the last 3 or 4 months at least, that with highly effective vaccines in distribution, you might get your life back soon- maybe even by the summer of 2021. The masks would come off, schools and restaurants would all open, even weddings and concerts would be back in action.
Think again. The Lockdowners and mask cultists have other plans for you.
Now the media tells us with the pace of vaccinations and the spread of new strains, covid will be around for years, maybe even decades. It will become endemic, “like the flu.”
At a minimum, this means arbitrary, idiotic “mitigation” measures like mask mandates, filling out test and trace forms, and random temperature checks could become the new normal forever. And it will probably be far more intrusive and destructive than that.
One thing is for sure already: they’re going to drag out the pain, misery, and control as long as they can. Too many people have too much emotional investment in their “belief in science” (itself an absurd idea). It just feels so virtuous for MSNBC watchers to sneer at the evil anti-mask Trump supporters while working class people delivery their packages and food to them.
No, they aren’t in any rush to let you have your life back. Quite the opposite. They’ve conditioned much of the American pubic to become brainless sheep who do whatever bureaucrats with stethoscopes tell them, or at least what feckless politicians claim the experts say.
They’ve effectively created a turnkey totalitarian society. Do you really think they want to give all that power back before at least giving it a test drive for a year or two?
The Left loves to leverage a crisis, and this one lets them literally control your ability to breathe.
So they will find endless excuses to extend the Covid lockdown misery. You may have already figured this out, seeing as that totalitarian smurf in a lab coat Dr. Fauci has said that double masking is probably a good idea, until the virus is totally gone.
Actually, Fauci said two masks was logical, then he said there’s no science behind it, then Biden advisor Dr. Michael Osterholm said publicly two masks were worse than one, then Fauci said two masks can’t hurt, then he said they’re waiting on data from CDC to show whether two masks are in fact better (anyone wanna place bets on what that will say?). This all took place in about a week.
“Listen to the science!” they bleat.
This has become a rallying cry for those too frightened to think for themselves or too infatuated with controlling others to understand that life comes with risks and there is no perfect security.
Here’s what the science tells anyone who is being honest about it: open the schools, stop wearing masks outside, and everyone at low risk should start living normal lives. Not next fall, or next year- now. The lockdowns did not work, and weren’t necessary. Florida is the real life experiment that proves it. This debate should be over.
But instead of embracing the truth- and the freedom that would come with it- the lockdown Left is doubling down. They want to tell you to mask up next winter, and the one after that too. Get ready for years of this madness.
Americans can either take back their freedom, or have it doled out to us in small doses like squirts of useless hand sanitizer.
Post by: Lucifer on February 09, 2021, 06:16:40 AM
Post by: Anthony on February 09, 2021, 06:21:07 AM
So we are now in 11 months of the "14 days to flatten the curve".
The Government and MEDIA LIED to us. They are still lying.
Post by: Number7 on February 09, 2021, 06:44:41 AM
Idiocy on steroids
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1357381715401056256
She should be forced to wear a sign:
WARNING: Anything this bimbo says is a lie!
Red for communist, not republican.
Most democrat communists are to stupid to make the connection.
Post by: Lucifer on February 09, 2021, 07:37:02 AM
https://dailycaller.com/2021/02/08/anthony-fauci-masks-virus-not-threat/
Quote
Dr. Anthony Fauci suggested that Americans will need to keep wearing face masks until COVID-19 “is not a threat at all” during a Monday afternoon appearance on Fox News’ “Special Report.”
“Is there going to be a time when we are going to be, no masks?” anchor Bret Baier asked during the interview. “When is that time? If you had to guess, going to a sports game, going to a theater, going to a concert without a mask?”
“That will really be dependent upon how we get the level of virus in the community down,” Fauci responded. “If we can get — and I have used this as an estimate, it’s not definitive — but if we can get 70 to 85 percent of the population vaccinated, and get to what we would hope would be to a degree of herd immunity which really is an umbrella or a veil of protection against the community, where the level of virus is so low it’s not a threat at all, then at that point, you can start thinking in terms of not having to have uniform wearing of masks.”
The National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director predicted that the U.S. is “not near” a time when this could happen.
The goal post just keeps moving.......................
Post by: Rush on February 09, 2021, 08:20:43 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 09, 2021, 08:41:38 AM
If you had to point to a single individual responsible for the death of the United States I would say Fauci. He pushed Trump into recommending a shutdown, and continued pushing to extend it which justified the mail in vote conspiracy (YES they admit in Time magazine it was a conspiracy to rig the election) which got Biden and the two GA senators in office and set the groundwork for election reform (permanent mail in ballots, no ID, open borders, etc.) which means we are no longer a representative republic and never will be again. It might have happened anyway but Fauci gets the credit for having pulled the trigger. Thanks a lot you fucking asshole.
This is why Pope Tony is celebrated by the DCP and MSM. This is also why Pope Tony is the highest paid person in government. Let that sink in.
That little asshole did to this country in two weeks what the DCP couldn't do over decades.
Thankfully he turns 80 this year, so hopefully god will see fit to fire his ass eventually.
Post by: nddons on February 09, 2021, 02:39:24 PM
If you had to point to a single individual responsible for the death of the United States I would say Fauci. He pushed Trump into recommending a shutdown, and continued pushing to extend it which justified the mail in vote conspiracy (YES they admit in Time magazine it was a conspiracy to rig the election) which got Biden and the two GA senators in office and set the groundwork for election reform (permanent mail in ballots, no ID, open borders, etc.) which means we are no longer a representative republic and never will be again. It might have happened anyway but Fauci gets the credit for having pulled the trigger. Thanks a lot you fucking asshole.I wonder how many birth defects, still births, and retardation these vaccines will cause for children of women of child rearing years? You can’t know without long-term studies, and as good as these vaccines might be, one thing they don’t have is a long history to study such side effects.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 09, 2021, 02:57:28 PM
I wonder how many birth defects, still births, and retardation these vaccines will cause for children of women of child rearing years? You can’t know without long-term studies, and as good as these vaccines might be, one thing they don’t have is a long history to study such side effects.
Why would the virus itself not cause those long term problems but the vaccine would? Am curious as to your reasoning.
Post by: nddons on February 09, 2021, 04:17:39 PM
Why would the virus itself not cause those long term problems but the vaccine would? Am curious as to your reasoning.I’m not an anti-vaccine person if that’s what you’re thinking. But there have been medications and vaccines in the past that have caused such problems. One was in the 1960s I believe. Don’t have time to look it up right now. Just think that due diligence suggests that some caution is in order before jumping into a vaccine that has had limited testing on long term effects.
Post by: Username on February 09, 2021, 04:32:38 PM
Quote
In July of 1962, president John F. Kennedy and the American press began praising their heroine, FDA inspector Frances Kelsey, who prevented the drug’s approval within the United States despite pressure from the pharmaceutical company and FDA supervisors. Kelsey felt the application for thalidomide contained incomplete and insufficient data on its safety and effectiveness. Among her concerns was the lack of data indicating whether the drug could cross the placenta, which provides nourishment to a developing fetus.
She was also concerned that there were not yet any results available from U.S. clinical trials of the drug. Even if these data where available, however, they may not have been entirely reliable. At the time, clinical trials did not require FDA approval, nor were they subject to oversight. The “clinical trials” of thalidomide involved distributing more than two and a half million tablets of thalidomide to approximately 20,000 patients across the nation—approximately 3,760 women of childbearing age, at least 207 of whom were pregnant. More than one thousand physicians participated in these trials, but few tracked their patients after dispensing the drug.
Post by: Rush on February 09, 2021, 05:27:22 PM
Why would the virus itself not cause those long term problems but the vaccine would? Am curious as to your reasoning.
Other ingredients besides the virus particles? Or maybe the immune system reacts differently to the messenger RNA than to a whole virus?
Post by: Number7 on February 09, 2021, 06:31:37 PM
It is very little different than the serious health conditions brought on by forced gardicil vaccinations
Liberals are stupid when it comes to medicine, health, science and intelligent research.
their agenda is everything.
The damage be damned.
Post by: Anthony on February 10, 2021, 04:41:03 AM
The insane obsession with pretend vaccine nirvana is going to hurt A LOT of innocent people to make the fucking retard communist democrats feel important.
It is very little different than the serious health conditions brought on by forced gardicil vaccinations
Liberals are stupid when it comes to medicine, health, science and intelligent research.
their agenda is everything.
The damage be damned.
I'm not getting it. My immune system works fine and they can go to effing HELL.
Post by: Rush on February 10, 2021, 07:25:58 AM
I'm not getting it. My immune system works fine and they can go to effing HELL.
I’m not anti-vaccine. Like everything else I try to get objective facts and make decisions on a case by case basis using realistic risk analysis. That’s how I’ve always approached it and sometimes I’ll get a vaccine and other times I don’t.
The problem I have now is that I have completely lost faith in the healthcare industry, the government, and the media, to tell me the truth. Covid turned them all into propaganda specialists with political agendas. It is extremely difficult to get credible facts on which to base my decision.
The vaccine safety is only one aspect. How deadly the virus is, is another. Smallpox for example has a 30% death rate. If this were a smallpox pandemic, I would get the vaccine in a heartbeat. The smallpox vaccine has a severe reaction or death rate from the vaccine itself of something like .0001%. That’s a no brainer.
But suppose the covid death rate is .0001%. Now it’s a wash! If the vaccine has a rate similar to the smallpox vaccine.
So until they stop lying to me and using data to manipulate the public I’m not getting it.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 10, 2021, 08:01:28 AM
Post by: Anthony on February 10, 2021, 08:10:47 AM
Do you take the Flu vaccine?
I have had Flu shots off and on. They are not a new vaccine and there is proven history. This is different.
Post by: Lucifer on February 10, 2021, 08:14:24 AM
I’m not anti-vaccine. Like everything else I try to get objective facts and make decisions on a case by case basis using realistic risk analysis. That’s how I’ve always approached it and sometimes I’ll get a vaccine and other times I don’t.
The problem I have now is that I have completely lost faith in the healthcare industry, the government, and the media, to tell me the truth. Covid turned them all into propaganda specialists with political agendas. It is extremely difficult to get credible facts on which to base my decision.
The vaccine safety is only one aspect. How deadly the virus is, is another. Smallpox for example has a 30% death rate. If this were a smallpox pandemic, I would get the vaccine in a heartbeat. The smallpox vaccine has a severe reaction or death rate from the vaccine itself of something like .0001%. That’s a no brainer.
But suppose the covid death rate is .0001%. Now it’s a wash! If the vaccine has a rate similar to the smallpox vaccine.
So until they stop lying to me and using data to manipulate the public I’m not getting it.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/cdc-exposed-inflated-covid-deaths-1600-throughout-election-violated-multiple-federal-laws-peer-reviewed-study-finds-state-local-governments-must-act/
(https://100percentfedup.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/anticdccovidreport-e1612893358658-740x589.jpg)
(https://100percentfedup.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/anticdccovidreport2.jpg)
(https://100percentfedup.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/anticdccovidreport4-e1612893401617-740x464.jpg)
Post by: Anthony on February 10, 2021, 08:48:22 AM
I’m not anti-vaccine. Like everything else I try to get objective facts and make decisions on a case by case basis using realistic risk analysis. That’s how I’ve always approached it and sometimes I’ll get a vaccine and other times I don’t.
The problem I have now is that I have completely lost faith in the healthcare industry, the government, and the media, to tell me the truth. Covid turned them all into propaganda specialists with political agendas. It is extremely difficult to get credible facts on which to base my decision.
The vaccine safety is only one aspect. How deadly the virus is, is another. Smallpox for example has a 30% death rate. If this were a smallpox pandemic, I would get the vaccine in a heartbeat. The smallpox vaccine has a severe reaction or death rate from the vaccine itself of something like .0001%. That’s a no brainer.
But suppose the covid death rate is .0001%. Now it’s a wash! If the vaccine has a rate similar to the smallpox vaccine.
So until they stop lying to me and using data to manipulate the public I’m not getting it.
Totally agree with all of the above.
Post by: Rush on February 10, 2021, 09:47:17 AM
Do you take the Flu vaccine?
No. The CDC/media lies and misleads about flu deaths and I have the facts to back that statement up. They tell the public x number of people died of flu when what they really mean is "flu-like illness" when only a portion of those deaths are actual lab confirmed viral influenza. The typically reported number of "flu deaths" include bacterial pneumonia, coronaviruses (the regular ones, not THE 'rona), adenoviruses, rhinoviruses, the respiratory synytial virus, etc. etc., not to mention all the influenza strains not included in the current year's vaccine. The flu shot is ineffective against all of that.
So until they stop fucking lying to me, I'm not getting the flu shot.
Post by: nddons on February 10, 2021, 09:50:33 AM
I’m not anti-vaccine. Like everything else I try to get objective facts and make decisions on a case by case basis using realistic risk analysis. That’s how I’ve always approached it and sometimes I’ll get a vaccine and other times I don’t.^
The problem I have now is that I have completely lost faith in the healthcare industry, the government, and the media, to tell me the truth. Covid turned them all into propaganda specialists with political agendas. It is extremely difficult to get credible facts on which to base my decision.
The vaccine safety is only one aspect. How deadly the virus is, is another. Smallpox for example has a 30% death rate. If this were a smallpox pandemic, I would get the vaccine in a heartbeat. The smallpox vaccine has a severe reaction or death rate from the vaccine itself of something like .0001%. That’s a no brainer.
But suppose the covid death rate is .0001%. Now it’s a wash! If the vaccine has a rate similar to the smallpox vaccine.
So until they stop lying to me and using data to manipulate the public I’m not getting it.
(Shorthand for agreeing with Rush again.)
The lack of faith and trust in all of these institutions is fatal to ever getting back to “normal”, whatever that is. When government teamed with “science” on climate change, scientists lost their perspective and credibility. When the healthcare community looked like cucks by allowing politicians to determine how they operate healthcare, how they shut down other procedures, and how they handled their own businesses, healthcare workers lost their perspective and credibility.
Now we see government setting up TV cameras to watch politicians and healthcare workers and others get a fucking vaccine, and I’m really wondering how stupid do they think we are?
Post by: Lucifer on February 10, 2021, 11:45:58 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on February 10, 2021, 12:15:05 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 10, 2021, 12:19:16 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 11, 2021, 06:28:56 PM
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1359985372860719116
Post by: Rush on February 11, 2021, 07:15:40 PM
Post by: Number7 on February 11, 2021, 09:07:30 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2021, 06:30:45 AM
Quote
Other studies found that
knotting and tucking a medical procedure mask or placing a
sleeve made of sheer nylon hosiery material around the neck and
pulling it up over either a cloth or medical procedure mask (3,4)
also significantly improved the wearer’s protection by fitting the
mask more tightly to the wearer’s face and reducing edge gaps.
So now we need to buy women's hosiery and concoct a new mask?
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2021, 06:44:41 AM
Quote
Finally, although use of double masking or knotting and tucking are two of many options that can optimize fit and enhance mask performance for source control and for wearer protection, double masking might impede breathing or obstruct peripheral vision for some wearers, and knotting and tucking can change the shape of the mask such that it no longer covers fully both the nose and the mouth of persons with larger faces.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7007e1.htm
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2021, 06:47:04 AM
How far will they carry this idiocy?
Post by: Rush on February 12, 2021, 06:57:56 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2021, 07:08:18 AM
If you completely block the nose and mouth from moving any air at all, you can achieve 100% mask effectiveness.
I wonder when Pope Tony will start recommending large ziplock bags over the head secured with duck tape around the neck?
Post by: Number7 on February 12, 2021, 07:26:17 AM
I wonder when Pope Tony will start recommending large ziplock bags over the head secured with duck tape around the neck?...but only for non democrat-communists.
The asshole will give communist democrats a pass like he did the racist pig from antifa
Post by: nddons on February 12, 2021, 09:58:26 AM
Mask are here to stayNope.
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1359985372860719116
Americans have had enough. I attended a wedding reception in Wisconsin this fall. 200 people, and “maybe” 5 masks.
I went to a local bar two weeks ago with a buddy for some drinks and we stayed for the Friday Fish Fry. 3 people walked in with masks and everyone looked at them.
We will always have sheep, but the majority of us are ready to move on.
Sounds like EAA is on for this summer, thank God. We are moving on, and any further restrictions will be met with great hostility.
Post by: Rush on February 12, 2021, 10:07:04 AM
Nope.
Americans have had enough. I attended a wedding reception in Wisconsin this fall. 200 people, and “maybe” 5 masks.
I went to a local bar two weeks ago with a buddy for some drinks and we stayed for the Friday Fish Fry. 3 people walked in with masks and everyone looked at them.
We will always have sheep, but the majority of us are ready to move on.
Sounds like EAA is on for this summer, thank God. We are moving on, and any further restrictions will be met with great hostility.
I hope you are right. I have to think any reasonable person would say, “Wait a minute...” at this crazy two mask crap, and start to question the whole thing. How far can they push it before it becomes obvious we are being played for a sucker?
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2021, 10:10:06 AM
Nope.
Americans have had enough. I attended a wedding reception in Wisconsin this fall. 200 people, and “maybe” 5 masks.
I went to a local bar two weeks ago with a buddy for some drinks and we stayed for the Friday Fish Fry. 3 people walked in with masks and everyone looked at them.
We will always have sheep, but the majority of us are ready to move on.
Sounds like EAA is on for this summer, thank God. We are moving on, and any further restrictions will be met with great hostility.
There are breakaways now, especially in the free states, hence why His Fraudulancy and Pope Tony are doubling down on masking. This is also why we are seeing more and more lunacy coming from the CDC, none of it is based in science, it's all about fear mongering and "see, the CDC says we should do it!".
A few of our free state governors need to step up and follow the lead of Florida.
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2021, 10:13:43 AM
I hope you are right. I have to think any reasonable person would say, “Wait a minute...” at this crazy two mask crap, and start to question the whole thing. How far can they push it before it becomes obvious we are being played for a sucker?
The useful idiots, the Karens and the virtue signalers will cling desperately to the Branch Covidian ideology because Pope Tony says so. I mean, after all, he's a MD and the highest paid member of government.
Free state governors need to man up and give the middle finger to Xiden and Pope Tony. In Texas, Abbott is till cowering in fear to the DCP and hasn't lifted his ridiculous EO on masking.
Post by: nddons on February 12, 2021, 10:23:24 AM
There are breakaways now, especially in the free states, hence why His Fraudulancy and Pope Tony are doubling down on masking. This is also why we are seeing more and more lunacy coming from the CDC, none of it is based in science, it's all about fear mongering and "see, the CDC says we should do it!".That’s why the Xiden admin started talking about creating unconstitutional travel restrictions to Florida.
A few of our free state governors need to step up and follow the lead of Florida.
Flack is always heaviest over the target.
Post by: Rush on February 12, 2021, 10:44:28 AM
Mask are here to stay
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1359985372860719116
President John Gill.
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=1839;image)
Post by: nddons on February 12, 2021, 10:57:01 AM
There are breakaways now, especially in the free states, hence why His Fraudulancy and Pope Tony are doubling down on masking. This is also why we are seeing more and more lunacy coming from the CDC, none of it is based in science, it's all about fear mongering and "see, the CDC says we should do it!".That’s why the Xiden admin started talking about creating unconstitutional travel restrictions to Florida.
A few of our free state governors need to step up and follow the lead of Florida.
Flack is always heaviest over the target.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 12, 2021, 06:14:37 PM
That’s why the Xiden admin started talking about creating unconstitutional travel restrictions to Florida.
Flack is always heaviest over the target.
I'd like to see how they propose to implement that plan.
Post by: bflynn on February 13, 2021, 05:45:04 PM
That’s why the Xiden admin started talking about creating unconstitutional travel restrictions to Florida.
Flack is always heaviest over the target.
Florida is only #14 on the list in terms of cases/100,000 and dropping fast, their infection rate is .88. There are many worse states around DC on the list, including Virginia, New York, New Jersey, and Delaware. Pennsylvania is only #19.
Post by: nddons on February 14, 2021, 05:16:18 AM
Florida is only #14 on the list in terms of cases/100,000 and dropping fast, their infection rate is .88. There are many worse states around DC on the list, including Virginia, New York, New Jersey, and Delaware. Pennsylvania is only #19.My point in saying that had nothing to do with Covid. It has everything to do with Ron DeSantis. He’s emerging as the GOP front runner for 2024, and Biden’s handlers are 100% capable of creating travel restrictions for the SOLE purpose of destroying DeSantis’ chances in 2024. That’s how evil these people are.
Post by: jb1842 on February 14, 2021, 08:44:49 AM
Post by: Anthony on February 14, 2021, 08:47:29 AM
I was at a gun auction yesterday. 300+ plus people, 20 masks at the most. More than half were Amish, so maybe they don't get covid?
Lancaster?
Post by: jb1842 on February 14, 2021, 08:50:11 AM
Lancaster?
Middlefield
Post by: nddons on February 14, 2021, 12:57:57 PM
I was at a gun auction yesterday. 300+ plus people, 20 masks at the most. More than half were Amish, so maybe they don't get covid?They don’t get it because they don’t watch TV and the MSM. They live their lives as they were meant to be lived.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 14, 2021, 01:14:06 PM
I was at a gun auction yesterday. 300+ plus people, 20 masks at the most. More than half were Amish, so maybe they don't get covid?
Amish at a gun auction?
Post by: Little Joe on February 14, 2021, 01:30:52 PM
Amish at a gun auction?Why not?
https://amishamerica.com/do-amish-use-guns/
Quote
Do Amish use guns?
Amish will not bear arms against others, but they do use firearms for hunting and other purposes
The Amish belief in nonresistance mean Amish will not serve in the military, law enforcement, or in any other position that requires them to use firearms against other people. Yet Amish are not strangers to guns.
Post by: jb1842 on February 14, 2021, 01:38:53 PM
Amish at a gun auction?
They were the auctioneers. They could also have been Mennonites. The Amish are known as big time poachers and trespassers in Ohio. Lots of horse drawn carriages in the parking lot. I also had to break my diet by buying a piece of homemade pie they had there. Say what you want about the Amish, but they sure as hell know how to bake.
Post by: Lucifer on February 16, 2021, 06:39:46 AM
https://redstatenation.com/the-rich-dont-need-a-mask-major-airline-company-drop-mask-requirement-for-first-business-class/
Quote
The arrival of COVID-19 has changed the way we travel. While the number one priority of airlines is the safety of its passengers and crew, COVID-19 presented airlines with a whole new set of safety-related challenges to deal with. From mandatory mask-wearing and blocking middle-seats to reduced in-flight service, new safety measures have become standard in most cases.
However, one airline, Cathay Pacific, created quite a stir when it announced it will be giving its business and first-class passengers the option to remove their masks.
Cathay Pacific is the fifth largest airline measured by sales, and fourteenth largest measured by market capitalization.
Cathay Pacific joined Qatar Airways in a rare category, but Qatar Airways after facing huge backlash now says masks are mandatory for all, despited words to the contrary, and a press release stating ” Business Class customers are asked to wear their face shield and mask onboard at their own discretion, as they enjoy more space and privacy.”
Qatar Airways was the first, and for a while, the only airline to allow passengers in its business class cabin, or beloved Qsuites, to use masks “at their discretion” rather than as standard policy. Qatar Airways provides privacy doors in most business class seats, transforming seats into ‘suites’.
Cathay Pacific’s new directive was unearthed by Executive Traveller via an internal memo to staff, which has since been confirmed.
For context, Cathay Pacific’s first-class cabin features only six lie-flat seats laid out in a spacious and private 1-1-1 configuration. Each seat is a full 36 inches wide and offers 81 inches of pitch. While Cathay doesn’t offer fully enclosed suites with closing doors like some of its competitors, this configuration offers plenty of privacy. In business class on Cathay’s A350-900s there are 38 lie-flat seats laid out in a 1-2-1 reverse-herringbone configuration, split among two cabins.
The relaxed restrictions only apply when a passenger’s seat is reclined in the fully-flat position. This might come as a relief to Cathay frequent flyers who are still traveling, but it has raised lots of questions about safety and equality.
It’s intriguing that Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific is the second airline to join in reducing mask mandates. Hong Kong has been one of the strictest cities in fighting off covid-19, and even flight crews face huge restrictions when entering. Travel corridors with Singapore were put on hold over 60 cases, bursting plans for regional travel.
While China’s airlines are letting the rich enjoy, a family was kicked off a United Airlines jet and banned for life all because their 2-year-old daughter refused to wear her mask.
Post by: Lucifer on February 16, 2021, 06:53:32 AM
Quote
February 15, 2021
A Doctor’s View About the New mRNA Vaccines
By Thomas Siler
It’s important to know both what we know about the new vaccines and what we don’t know.
I’ve practiced for 35 years. I am always honest with my patients, even if conversations are difficult or confrontational. I will also be honest about saying “I don’t know.” This happens when a diagnosis is not readily apparent or when there are limits to the help I can give. With the passage of time, I’ve learned that what we don’t know about medicine outweighs what we do know.
I’ve always been a proponent of older, more established vaccines. However, they are imperfect and, like all medical treatments, can have side effects. Unfortunately, in the conversation about the new COVID-19 vaccines, the tenets of honesty and a willingness to admit ignorance are being compromised.
Operation Warp Speed was remarkable, but it leaves an uncomfortable question: Is it a good thing to rush a vaccine (or medicine) to the public without the usual safeguards? Operation Warp Speed might be a great business objective or military goal, but is it great for a medical treatment?
The pharmaceutical industry, government health authorities, and the media insist the new vaccines are safe and effective. While the initial results are promising, this is not the whole truth. Both honesty and acknowledging ignorance require answering a few questions.
What do we know about the new TYPE of vaccine being given?
Pfizer and Moderna were the first COVID-19 vaccines to be approved. Both use a new technology called mRNA vaccine, which has never been broadly given to a human population to prevent any disease.
Let that sink in for a moment.
All previous vaccines take a weakened virus or a piece of the virus and inject it into humans to induce an immune response sufficient to prevent a disease. Pfizer’s and Moderna’s vaccines inject mRNA, which is a protein code that instructs the body to make a part of COVID-19’s spike protein that will then induce an immune response.
Our bodies daily use our own mRNA to carry instructions from DNA to make various proteins the body uses. While this new vaccine science sounds intriguing, it has never been tried in humans in this scope. It may be a breathtaking scientific advancement heralding a new path for all vaccines. It may also be less effective or have currently unknown side effects.
Is the mRNA vaccine for COVID-19 safe?
So far, the limited study of the vaccines approved for emergency use (one major study for each vaccine approved) has shown some short-term side effects. The vaccine is a two-shot series and side effects were prominent after the second shot. Side effects were more common if the recipient was younger than 65 years old.
Side effects
(https://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2021-02/227253_5_.png)
Pain at the injection site has usually gone away in 4-5 days. The other side effects resolve, on average, in 2-3 days.
Early reports after giving the vaccine have also included allergic reactions ranging from mild to a few cases of anaphylaxis (serious allergic reaction). Allergy may be to mRNA itself or the lipid nanoparticles/PEG vehicle it is housed in. The long-term side effects are not currently known, as the main study length and follow up have only been four months.
Is the mRNA vaccine effective?
In the main study from Pfizer’s vaccine, 8/17,000 patients got symptomatic COVID-19 in the treatment group during the short follow up. In the placebo group, 162/17,000 patients got symptomatic COVID-19 during the study time. There was also a trend towards those getting the vaccine having a less severe disease and needing less hospitalization.
The Moderna study had 30,000 patients split into treatment and placebo arms. In the vaccine group, 11/15,000 patients came down with COVID-19. In the placebo group, 185/15,000 patients came down with COVID-19.
It was hard to ascertain death avoidance in these small studies. However, the two initial studies are favorable and show a 95% efficacy. Now that more information about the studies is known, Peter Doshi, associate editor of the British Medical Journal, wrote an editorial that the true efficacy may be much lower because the study excluded people with COVID-19 symptoms but a negative test and other factors.
How long does immunity last?
This is unknown. Injected mRNA goes away in days, but it is thought that the immune response will be long lasting. Whether patients will need boosters at some point is not known.
What about mutations in the COVID-19 virus? Will the vaccine still work?
Viruses always mutate and scientists following COVID-19 estimate it mutates, on average, twice a month. Most of these mutations are minor and will likely not change the vaccine effectiveness. These mutations also usually do not make the virus more deadly.
What is antibody dependent enhancement?
COVID-19 is in the family of Coronavirus that causes the common cold. The pharmaceutical industry has been trying without success for the last two decades to make a vaccine against the common cold. A safe vaccine against the common cold would make some company a lot of money!
One problem in the animal studies on coronavirus family vaccines was “antibody dependent enhancement.” When animals were inoculated, they developed a robust immune response, which is a good result.
However, when the animals were later exposed to the coronavirus against which they were vaccinated, their immune system went into overdrive, and they developed an overwhelming, fatal immune response called a “cytokine storm.” Fatal cytokine storms also happened to some COVID-19 patients when their infection was severe.
Human responses do not always correlate to animal responses. So far, there have been no signs that humans have a cytokine storm when exposed to COVID-19 after receiving the vaccine. Obviously, this would be catastrophic for any vaccine.
Should we be concerned about other long term side effects from mRNA vaccines?
A concern that deserves mention is the possibility that a cross-reaction and immunity to other parts of the spike protein could cause auto-immune disease or other problems.
A former Pfizer VP, Dr. Michael Yeadon, who has over 30 years of experience in immunology and drug research, filed a Stay of Action petition with the European Medicine Agency (like our FDA) to halt the trials of mRNA vaccines over concerns it might affect sterility in women.
Yeadon is worried that the mRNA vaccine was coded for a region of the spike protein that was similar to Syncytin-1, which is a protein that is essential for the development of the placenta. If a woman’s body makes antibodies to this protein, she could become sterile when vaccinated for COVID-19. This is a theory, not a proven fact, and no one has studied it. Yeadon’s insistence on more studies to make sure this will not happen seems reasonable.
What to make of all these concerns?
Medicine is always about a risk/benefit analysis, subject to the first maxim of “do no harm.” Usually, new medicines or new vaccines are used only after multiple studies show over long periods of time (for vaccines, at least five years) prove they’re safe and better than the older treatments.
While the new mRNA vaccines have good initial results and may be a breakthrough, they should be viewed as experimental and would best be used in high-risk patients (older patients or those with health conditions raising COVID-19 mortality) until we know more. Patients should receive extensive informed consent to understand the risks and benefits. Patients also need to know that if they have a serious complication, Congress already protected the pharmaceutical companies from litigation around emergency vaccines.
The mantra of “safe and effective” is not only incomplete, but it also ignores other pathways out of the pandemic. For healthy people, early outpatient treatments are being developed to treat COVID-19. These would be a safer option than taking an experimental vaccine. Young people (<60 years old) who have very low mortality from COVID-19 should approach getting the new vaccine as if they were consenting to be in an experimental trial of a new vaccine.
Our history shows there are good reasons why new medicines and vaccines are not rushed into widespread use until we have multiple studies and time to assess the safety and efficacy of the new treatments. If the death rate from COVID-19 were much higher, it might make the risks acceptable to try an experimental vaccine. Given that the COVID-19 death rate is a little higher than a bad flu, my opinion is that younger and healthier people need a more rigorous risk/benefit analysis before taking the mRNA vaccines.
Post by: Little Joe on February 16, 2021, 07:24:59 AM
I, and most of the people I know that got the vaccine are over 65. Reactions were extremely rare. Most of us had none, or very few reactions. My wife and I had a slight muscle ache at the injection site. Mine started in the middle of the night but was gone by lunchtime. My wife's started around the same time but hung in there till dinner time. A few friends had similar reactions that lasted for a day at most. Nobody I know (about a dozen people; so a small sample) had chills or fever or noticeable fatigue. For me, it was no worse than a flu shot.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 16, 2021, 07:43:03 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 16, 2021, 07:51:06 AM
Post by: Little Joe on February 16, 2021, 08:07:32 AM
Joe, was that the first shot or the second one you’re describing?Second.
The first shot was even less noticeable.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 16, 2021, 08:49:11 AM
Post by: Little Joe on February 16, 2021, 09:35:17 AM
Posting about getting shots is the new virtue signaling.Well, fuck you very much.
Bragging about NOT getting shots is just macho, partisan bullshit.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 16, 2021, 10:02:42 AM
Posting about getting shots is the new virtue signaling.
I don't think so Tim
Post by: Anthony on February 17, 2021, 04:15:28 PM
Post by: bflynn on February 17, 2021, 04:31:30 PM
My Bonanza owning buddy and his wife are begging me to get it. They said all their Docs advise to do it. I just don't want to be the fucking outlier.
The Bonanza or the vaccine?
Post by: Number7 on February 17, 2021, 04:44:35 PM
Post by: Anthony on February 17, 2021, 05:50:54 PM
The Bonanza or the vaccine?
Can't afford his effing Bonanza. ;D
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 18, 2021, 12:27:07 PM
I'm getting tired with being bombarded by people having to tell me they got the shot. It's the new virtue signaling I guess.
Mark of the Beast, baby.
Post by: jb1842 on February 19, 2021, 06:24:41 AM
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2021, 08:18:02 AM
I've been doing some reading and listening what other people's experiences are, but there is an arguement that Ivermectin (sold otc as a horse dewormer at your local farm store) is effective at treating covid. Could be bullshit, or placebo effect. But (putting on a foil hat) it's not being reported because it will prove covid isn't really that big of a deal since it can be treated so easily, and that big pharma is trying to squash this because they won't make billions off a covid vaccine. Stan, we need you to ask your daughter about this.
There are several effective treatments all being treated as “conspiracy theory” by the media for political reasons. Big pharma and big government don’t want the vaccine to become moot but more important they don’t want to lose the power to destroy the economy by forcing shutdowns and destroy people’s social psychology with all the mask bullshit. It’s all part of the great reset, kill middle class capitalism and make the people cower in fear of the bogie man so we can implement big government control and make politicians and big tech fat cat nerds richer.
They have power over all the people and don’t want to give it up, and the big corporations (Amazon, Walmart) don’t want to give up the money flow from keeping small businesses closed.
Even the AMA has quietly admitted hydroxychloroquine works after all. It is a fact that high levels of vitamin D is strongly associated with reduced mortality and better outcomes. Do you see this being talked about in the news? NOT A PEEP. They keep harping on masks and vaccines and nothing else because they are totally aligned with the political/fat cat alliance.
Post by: jb1842 on February 19, 2021, 08:25:55 AM
There are several effective treatments all being treated as “conspiracy theory” by the media for political reasons. Big pharma and big government don’t want the vaccine to become moot but more important they don’t want to lose the power to destroy the economy by forcing shutdowns and destroy people’s social psychology with all the mask bullshit. It’s all part of the great reset, kill middle class capitalism and make the people cower in fear of the bogie man so we can implement big government control and make politicians and big tech fat cat nerds richer.
They have power over all the people and don’t want to give it up, and the big corporations (Amazon, Walmart) don’t want to give up the money flow from keeping small businesses closed.
Even the AMA has quietly admitted hydroxychloroquine works after all. It is a fact that high levels of vitamin D is strongly associated with reduced mortality and better outcomes. Do you see this being talked about in the news? NOT A PEEP. They keep harping on masks and vaccines and nothing else because they are totally aligned with the political/fat cat alliance.
I'm getting covid tested later today. Been feeling sick the past few days, headache, congestion, cough, sore throat. Normally, I would just use nyquil for a few days to get rid of any sickness, but we are supposed to travel to Wisconsin next week. And since the in-laws live in a 55 over/assisted living facility, my wife wants me to be sure I don't have it if we travel. If it is positive, off to the farm store I go.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 19, 2021, 08:36:59 AM
I'm getting covid tested later today. Been feeling sick the past few days, headache, congestion, cough, sore throat. Normally, I would just use nyquil for a few days to get rid of any sickness, but we are supposed to travel to Wisconsin next week. And since the in-laws live in a 55 over/assisted living facility, my wife wants me to be sure I don't have it if we travel. If it is positive, off to the farm store I go.Ask the tech to let you see the test swab packet before they tear it open. The test packet I had said “Made in China.” The tech said she agreed with my concern that China was using this virus to milk and control us.
Post by: jb1842 on February 19, 2021, 08:39:32 AM
Ask the tech to let you see the test swab packet before they tear it open. The test packet I had said “Made in China.” The tech said she agreed with my concern that China was using this virus to milk and control us.
Interesting. Are any test not made in china?
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2021, 09:57:14 AM
Interesting. Are any test not made in china?
There’s not much of anything not made in China anymore.
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2021, 09:58:02 AM
I'm getting covid tested later today. Been feeling sick the past few days, headache, congestion, cough, sore throat. Normally, I would just use nyquil for a few days to get rid of any sickness, but we are supposed to travel to Wisconsin next week. And since the in-laws live in a 55 over/assisted living facility, my wife wants me to be sure I don't have it if we travel. If it is positive, off to the farm store I go.
Whatever it is, I hope you get over it soon.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 19, 2021, 10:46:51 AM
I've been doing some reading and listening what other people's experiences are, but there is an arguement that Ivermectin (sold otc as a horse dewormer at your local farm store) is effective at treating covid. Could be bullshit, or placebo effect. But (putting on a foil hat) it's not being reported because it will prove covid isn't really that big of a deal since it can be treated so easily, and that big pharma is trying to squash this because they won't make billions off a covid vaccine. Stan, we need you to ask your daughter about this.
Every single study of Ivermectin that is known to have been done shows it works:
https://c19ivermectin.com/ (https://c19ivermectin.com/)
Quote
• 100% of the 41 studies to date report positive effects. Random effects meta-analysis for early treatment and pooled effects shows a reduction of 83%, RR 0.17 [0.11-0.28]. Prophylactic use shows a reduction of 89%, RR 0.11 [0.05-0.23]. Mortality results show 78% lower mortality, RR 0.22 [0.12-0.41] for all treatment delays, and 86% lower, RR 0.14 [0.03-0.62] for early treatment.
• 100% of the 20 Randomized Controlled Trials (RCTs) report positive effects, with an estimated reduction of 72%, RR 0.28 [0.17-0.47].
Post by: jb1842 on February 19, 2021, 11:34:42 AM
Every single study of Ivermectin that is known to have been done shows it works:
https://c19ivermectin.com/ (https://c19ivermectin.com/)
Amazing a $3 cure has been kept under wraps.
Post by: jb1842 on February 19, 2021, 03:34:08 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 22, 2021, 12:25:33 PM
Quote
Whelp, President Joe Biden’s “100 days” of mask-wearing took all of less than a month to extend into basically "wear a mask until 2022." The virus numbers are dropping like a rock, even in the dead of winter, and no solid numbers have shown places with mask-mandates to work any better than those without, but nevertheless, we are told we must keep our air holes covered indefinitely, with no end in sight. And if they are telling us that NOW, at the beginning of 2021, it only goes to show you that my long-held speculation that our overlords want masks literally forever can’t be far from reality.
It seems, tragically, that the monsters who favor somehow reaching so-called “zero-COVID” have managed to obtain a stranglehold on all levers of power, not just in the U.S., but the entire world. I’ve got to grudgingly give it to them - it’s a brilliant strategy. Since “zero-COVID” is an impossible goal to reach, the struggle to obtain it via tyrannical measures can never possibly end. Even in New Zealand, where COVID has seemingly been eliminated, a single case can trigger fresh new rounds of lockdowns. Indeed, for the power-hungry, the COVID-19 pandemic has truly been a dream come true.
CARTOONS | AF BRANCO
VIEW CARTOON
So, how DO we get things back to normal, in a time when seemingly little is going our way? It’s easy to ask, “What can I do?” when faced with something that seems so much bigger than ourselves, and often the answer is sadly, “very little.” I’ve certainly written before about opposing corona-fascism in our local communities, but here I’d like to focus on a single step that most individuals can take themselves, right now, and make a measurable difference.
That step is very simple:
Make a personal choice to defy mask-mandates in your area.
This decision is easy for some, more difficult for others, even impossible for more, but I implore you to at least consider it. Some of us have been doing this the whole time and have zero problem walking barefaced into a store like we own the place. Others have chosen to at least to some degree submit for a variety of reasons that likely include fear of conflict, reluctance to disobey authority, and social pressure. It’s understandable. I know many people like this who know all the correct information, yet still choose to conform because it’s the ‘easy’ thing to do right now. Still, here’s my obvious question to those who know the truth yet continue to obey: How long do you intend to submit to this insanity? All of this year and the next? The rest of your life? Will there be a point where you say, “Enough!” If so, when will that point be?
I say that time is now. (OK, I said this many months ago, but since time travel is impossible, the time REALLY is NOW!) What am I doing? I live in a red-state with no mask mandate but a county that does employ a toothless one. Consequently, as required, there are signs on every business entrance. Do I pay attention to them? Nope. I just walk in like I own the place, and I haven’t been challenged yet. Maybe I’ve gotten a few stares, but I don’t care, and I can barely see them anyway peering (I assume) self-righteously from behind their giant COVID diapers. Keep breathing those microfibers, chumps, and let’s see where that leads a few years from now.
The left already thinks we’re all terrorists, racists, homophobes, and every other possible name in the book. In the COVID-era, add “grandma-killer” to the list. Whatever. Who gives a flying you-know-what what they think? I don’t. Do you? I consider it a badge of honor. I parade around with my face exposed dying for some triple-masked Karen to come up and film me and put it on social media. When/if they ever do, I’ll call it “street cred” and laugh maniacally as the hate pours in and my Twitter mentions explode.
Now obviously, we’ve got to be smart about this. For example, I can promise you I’ll have a COVID diaper on my face when I fly Delta next month. I’m NOT messing with the TSA! In other words, the degree to which you decide to engage in civil disobedience will understandably depend on your location and circumstance. If you’re in a blue state that also punishes citizens with fines for non-compliance, maybe you need to take a more measured approach. Maybe you just avoid wearing them outside and/or place yours under your nose when indoors. Heck, these days even not wearing a face muzzle alone in a vehicle can be a small act of defiance. The point is, far be it from me to judge anyone for what they choose to do, but I would simply challenge every like-minded individual to do more than they are doing right now.
Is it a little uncomfortable? Sure, at first. But you get used to it, I promise. I used to get the pitter-patters every time I’d think about going inside somewhere I knew almost everyone else would be masked. Now, I barely think about it. And guess what? Seeing someone else also daring to stand for science and defy the status quo always boosts my spirits, as I hope I do theirs. The point, ultimately, is to let others know the water is fine. We’ve already got hard data comparing masked versus non-masked counties in Tennessee and Florida, and the numbers aren’t in their favor. Let’s give this rotten tree a push and see if we can take a step towards bringing it down. It's the moral, righteous thing to do. Think of it like a game of Dominoes. The more people go without masks in the more places without the sky falling, the easier it will be for others to follow suit.
Post by: nddons on February 22, 2021, 02:23:40 PM
Post by: Little Joe on February 22, 2021, 02:50:17 PM
Post by: Number7 on February 22, 2021, 07:17:13 PM
I believe that guy on the left died from COVID.
I understand JFK died of the wuhan chinese virus, along with Princess Diana.
Post by: Anthony on February 23, 2021, 09:02:44 AM
I understand JFK died of the wuhan chinese virus, along with Princess Diana.
Stalin's 20 million also.
Post by: Lucifer on February 24, 2021, 05:50:29 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 24, 2021, 06:26:14 PM
Quote
Subject: The Vaccine is working, the virus is receding - how can we control the peasants?
From: Richard Jones
Hi to all -
The Pandemic
Well, we long ago flattened the curve, and then reduced the danger of infection, we wore masks and social distanced, and in spite of intentional delays by the drug companies, produced a vaccine that works for most people, and so on and so forth. But, this has been such a great way to frighten and motivate and control the superstitious, how can we let it go? Well, we just cannot give up this source of power, now can we?
Calling Dr. Fauci, Calling Dr. Fauci, we need you to come out and scare us again. Move those goal posts, and keep the panic going.
Okay, here he is, again, to warn us that all our efforts were just not enough. Why, there are mutations, just like with the annual flu. And, since a vaccine only works on one variation, you need a different flu shot annually. So, if we can postulate mutations of Covid, we can keep this scam going forever! Masks? Totally ineffective - but ignore the actual medical professionals, listen instead to political hacks. Remember, we are from the government, and are here to help you. Trust us. And, continue to wear your masks, perhaps double, or even triple, till at least 2022. by then, we will find a new excuse to enslave you.
No Questions
But do not dare question us, or if we are doing the right thing. We will silence you, take you off social media, fire you from your job, slander you in public, and, as with Pastor James Coates of Canada's GraceLife Church, arrest you and throw you into maximum security prison, for 'violating Covid lockdown' rules. Please ignore the rioters who do not wear masks or social distance, as they burn and loot and destroy. Pay no attention to all those criminals we released from jail, and certainly do not question why we let thousands of illegals into the nation without testing or vaccinations. After all WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING !!!!
Examples
Just follow our own example. Like Governor Newsom having dinner in nice restaurants with a few dozen close friends, no masks, no social distancing, no vaccinations, etc. Or New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujuan Grisham, who, after issuing edicts against in-person meetings, holds them for her staff, supplemented by alcohol and luxury foods like Wagyu beef, paid for by your tax dollars.
Harm Reducation
Of course, we have other wonderful ideas to make this pandemic less stressful. Like 'harm reduction' in Seattle - where the city provides free heroin to street people, since that means they don't have to steal money from you to feed their habit. This will not cure their addiction, nor make you safer, really. but it feels so good to DO SOMETHING.
'Reparations'
And, we need to do so much more. Harvard gives us a clue. Professors there claim that if we only gave 'reparations' to descendants of former slaves, then this pandemic would not be so bad, and would go away. Not sure how the 'science' of that works, but it does seem a little far-fetched to me.
The Truth
YouTube deleted a series of videos from real doctors, and lawyers, who had the audacity to tell the truth about Covid and how the deaths were exaggerated. This, of course, was labeled 'misinformation', and censored. Please ignore the report from the CDC that said that up to 95% of the deaths attributed to Covid were not actually caused by Covid. I mean, Covid may have been present, or a contributing factor, but the actual cause of death was something else entirely. You know, the car wreck, the gunshot wound to the head, flu and other respiratory diseases, old age, and so many other things. But, hey, hospitals will comply and call it how you see it, when they get money for doing so. In some cases, a lot of money.
Death Spiral
During WWII, our troops were shocked by the Kamikaze. It was difficult to comprehend that people would choose to die in an effort to inflict harm on an enemy they could not defeat. Not only the Japanese, but also the Germans and others tried this tactic, on a smaller scale. Today, we have a history of suicide bombers who think they can destroy others by dying in efforts to terrorize them, and to kill as many as they can before dying themselves. It has never changed the end game, It is a desperate effort by a failing group to hold back the inevitable. Today's democrats are in such a death spiral. Their claims and efforts get more bizarre by the day, and will continue to do so. Their idea of life and government just does not work, and cannot sell. It must be forced on people, who will, sooner or later, rebel against them. They know, it, but like the drug addicts they support, they cannot help themselves. They will repeat the same failed ideas over and over, until they either destroy themselves, or are destroyed by others. It has always been so, and will be so again.
Georgia
Kelly Loeffler has started a 'get out the vote' movement, like that run by Stacy Abrams, to counter the effects of that mess. Until Kelly gets control of the rigged voting machines, it will not matter.
Biden
He has revived the Obama plan to put 'kids in cages' at the border. You remember, this was blamed on Trump, but then shown to be an Obama/Biden plan to deal with illegal children being trafficked over our border. So, far, Biden doesn't seem to have any original ideas, just rehashed versions of what he did before, and which all failed.
Rich
Post by: Lucifer on February 27, 2021, 04:21:41 PM
Quote
On Friday’s broadcast of the Fox News Channel’s “Ingraham Angle,” Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) reacted to statements that people who have received the coronavirus vaccine still have to wear masks because they could still spread the virus by stating that no one has actually proven that vaccinated people can still spread the virus, “They just say, unless you can prove the opposite, you can’t be free and you have to be huddled in your basement wearing a mask.”
Paul said, [relevant remarks begin around 6:05] “[T]he thing is, they don’t prove that that happens. They just say, unless you can prove the opposite, you can’t be free and you have to be huddled in your basement wearing a mask. And I’m the opposite, you get your vaccine, you’ve had your second dose, you’re two weeks out, throw away your mask. If you’ve had the disease and you’re a young person, go to restaurants, go out and visit with your friends, do not hunker down in a basement by yourself, go to school, by all means, let’s get back to normal. And let’s treat this with circumspection the idea that the risks should be according to the individual.”
Post by: Anthony on February 28, 2021, 04:57:34 AM
Post by: Rush on February 28, 2021, 06:10:13 AM
I don't wear the symbol of oppression unless a business requires me to have one on. Just like I'd never wear a wedding ring again. Another symbol of bondage.
Since my brave foray to the grocery store we have gone to a restaurant, Lowe’s home improvement and Walmart. Mark wore his mask, he’s in the habit because they make him at work, but I didn’t. Just like the other day at HEB nobody said a thing to me, in fact there were several other people not wearing masks, especially construction guys in Lowe’s.
I think a lot of people have reached a breaking point. I think it might have been the suggestion we wear two masks that is sending people over the edge. That’s probably what did it for me. It’s like playing Simon says. Simon says stick your head in the oven and turn on the gas. There’s a point you stop and say, wait a minute.... I got the strong feeling the two mask thing was them just trying to see how gullible we are, to see how many insanely stupid pointless orders we would just blindly follow.
I’m disappointed in the American people. The shutdowns are literal economic suicide. We collectively put our head in the oven and turned on the gas. We should have civil disobedienced the hell out of that from day 1. But we were lied to that it would only be two weeks to flatten the curve, then strung along week by week, month by month and now it’s been a year with no end in sight.
Post by: jb1842 on February 28, 2021, 07:16:07 AM
I don't wear the symbol of oppression unless a business requires me to have one on. Just like I'd never wear a wedding ring again. Another symbol of bondage.
I keep my actual wedding ring on my keychain. It's tungsten carbide, so if anything happens to my finger, they will have to cut my finger off to get the ring off. I wear a silicon ring when I go out with the wife. I just find them uncomfortable to wear.
Post by: Anthony on February 28, 2021, 07:26:52 AM
I’m disappointed in the American people. The shutdowns are literal economic suicide. We collectively put our head in the oven and turned on the gas. We should have civil disobedienced the hell out of that from day 1. But we were lied to that it would only be two weeks to flatten the curve, then strung along week by week, month by month and now it’s been a year with no end in sight.
Propaganda is a powerful tool. Americans are no different from the Germans of the 1930's that embraced Hitler, the Nazi Party and Fascism. The ones that knew better and didn't embrace it knew not to say anything as they would disappear. So you had the useful idiots and the rest who kept their mouths shut. Just like today.
I love the looks I get from the woke, useful idiots when I "forget" my mask in stores. I give them a look back that just says Efff You.
Post by: Rush on February 28, 2021, 08:28:57 AM
I keep my actual wedding ring on my keychain. It's tungsten carbide, so if anything happens to my finger, they will have to cut my finger off to get the ring off. I wear a silicon ring when I go out with the wife. I just find them uncomfortable to wear.
I had to stop wearing mine a few years after we got married because my fingers started to swell due to arthritis. I’ve had them resized twice but I can’t do it anymore, next I have to have the diamond reset and form new bands. There are two gold bands on either side of the engagement ring so there are three total. Mark designed them and got a jewelry crafter to make them. I’ve been loathe to spend the money to do this because I don’t know how much worse my joints are going to get.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 28, 2021, 09:13:43 AM
I distance from folks. When passing folks in the aisle while shopping I make sure to not get face to face with anyone. Wash my hands, occasionally use hand sanitizer. Overall, common sense.
Post by: Rush on February 28, 2021, 10:01:46 AM
I have never worn a mask, except where absolutely required. I've turned around and walked out of two stores that were adamant that I wear one. I do wear it at Costco, have to to get into the theater, until we get sat down in the auditorium, doctors office. Not going to church, in person, because of a mask requirement.
I distance from folks. When passing folks in the aisle while shopping I make sure to not get face to face with anyone. Wash my hands, occasionally use hand sanitizer. Overall, common sense.
The only reason ever I wore it was because of the old people that are scared. (Not counting when I had to like the doctors office.) We have an 80 year old neighbor who expressed her fear to me and she’s a Trump supporter so not stupidly following the Marxist agenda but I had sympathy for her irrational fear. It’s excusable in the elderly, they do have a much higher death rate and I don’t like to cause them anxiety so I only ever wore it out of respect for them. But enough is enough. I’m done. They’re just going to have to be scared. I do like you and keep my distance from them.
Post by: nddons on March 01, 2021, 08:45:02 AM
Nothing says I love you more than having to cut off your finger to remove a wedding ring.
I keep my actual wedding ring on my keychain. It's tungsten carbide, so if anything happens to my finger, they will have to cut my finger off to get the ring off. I wear a silicon ring when I go out with the wife. I just find them uncomfortable to wear.
https://youtu.be/G_1LP3Z6pW4
Post by: Rush on March 01, 2021, 02:25:38 PM
Nothing says I love you more than having to cut off your finger to remove a wedding ring.
His friend told him to take off the ring before his hand swelled up. He refers to “the person who was affiliated with that piece of jewelry.” Good thing he didn’t lose a finger for her.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 01, 2021, 04:29:43 PM
Post by: Lucifer on March 02, 2021, 03:18:48 PM
Post by: Rush on March 02, 2021, 03:37:16 PM
Texas and Mississippi have ended their covid restrictions and mask mandate.
I’m noticing the “mask required” signs coming down.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 02, 2021, 04:01:29 PM
Some people are complaining that it is too soon, too quick.
There will ALWAYS be people taking the ultra-safe position....
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 02, 2021, 04:03:59 PM
I’m noticing the “mask required” signs coming down.Not here in Georgia yet. As we walked into Publix today they had the menacing sign requiring all customers to wear a mask. No, no, nope. They never bother us.
I did forget my mask going into Costco today, I scored on of their free ones. Spent $732 there, but only $115 was my money. ;)
Post by: Rush on March 02, 2021, 05:49:56 PM
Maskachusetts has relaxed restrictions (going back to the Oct restrictions...)
Some people are complaining that it is too soon, too quick.
There will ALWAYS be people taking the ultra-safe position....
One of my coworkers in the Teams meeting yesterday said he actually HOPES we stay shut down the rest of this year. He says he's scared to come back to the office and sit within 2 feet of another human. It doesn't matter to me, I always work remotely.
Post by: Little Joe on March 02, 2021, 06:10:59 PM
One of my coworkers in the Teams meeting yesterday said he actually HOPES we stay shut down the rest of this year. He says he's scared to come back to the office and sit within 2 feet of another human. It doesn't matter to me, I always work remotely.Since I retired, work is very remote to me too.
Post by: nddons on March 02, 2021, 06:26:24 PM
I’m noticing the “mask required” signs coming down.Finally, some sanity.
Post by: nddons on March 02, 2021, 06:32:50 PM
One of my coworkers in the Teams meeting yesterday said he actually HOPES we stay shut down the rest of this year. He says he's scared to come back to the office and sit within 2 feet of another human. It doesn't matter to me, I always work remotely.So, our firm has 7,000 employees, over 100 offices, and most of us were sent to work from around March 17 last year. Then they started opening up offices based on state rules, and in Wisconsin, we had a 3-phase roll in. I came in during phase 1 in June. We are only up to phase 2. In my Milwaukee office we have 350 people, but I’ll bet we don’t have 100 people in the office. We are encouraging people to get back in the office when they “feel comfortable doing so” but many people have opted out.
People in cubes (sorry, “work stations”) are supposed to keep their masks on. In my office I can take it off.
We’ve lost productivity with so many people working from home. No doubt about it.
Post by: Mr Pou on March 03, 2021, 05:45:13 AM
One of my coworkers in the Teams meeting yesterday said he actually HOPES we stay shut down the rest of this year. He says he's scared to come back to the office and sit within 2 feet of another human. It doesn't matter to me, I always work remotely.
We supply components to T1 defense contractors, these programs are DPAS rated and thus we stayed open and I've gone to work every day since the whole sham started. No big deal to me at all. Luckily other than mask mandates and Teams meetings business as usual.
Post by: Rush on March 03, 2021, 05:56:42 AM
We supply components to T1 defense contractors, these programs are DPAS rated and thus we stayed open and I've gone to work every day since the whole sham started. No big deal to me at all. Luckily other than mask mandates and Teams meetings business as usual.
You didn’t all die? Where’s the data that shows that essential workers who stayed open all got sick and died from covid? It must exist, otherwise how to justify decimating the rest of the economy? Oh, I guess the masks saved you.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 03, 2021, 06:37:43 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on March 03, 2021, 06:45:44 AM
You didn’t all die? Where’s the data that shows that essential workers who stayed open all got sick and died from covid? It must exist, otherwise how to justify decimating the rest of the economy? Oh, I guess the masks saved you.
Our HR and EHS departments tracked and contact traced those workers who did contract covid, and so far every cast was contracted outside work. IOW no cow-orker to cow-orker transfer of covid has happened here. Also, all[1] of those who have contracted covid have had very mild symptoms and came back to work no problems after sitting out their two weeks. I keep hearing these Uncle Fred stories about people being gravely ill, on ventilators, dying etc., but my in my personal anecdotal experience this has been a big nothingburger.
[1] People in the age ranges of early 20's to near retirement
Post by: Lucifer on March 04, 2021, 06:24:29 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 04, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 04, 2021, 08:12:26 AM
wait for the covidiots to issue a federal mandate for masks...
Unconstitutional.
Post by: nddons on March 04, 2021, 08:32:15 AM
Unconstitutional.So is gun control.
Post by: Lucifer on March 04, 2021, 08:35:59 AM
So is gun control.
No argument there.
Post by: Rush on March 04, 2021, 09:27:29 AM
I’m guessing employers will mandate it or you don’t have a job, and some anti-vaxxer might take it to court as discrimination of some sort and some court will rule that the “public good” outweighs your individual rights and anyway you have no right to that job, but it’s going to end up all companies mandate it so essentially you cannot support yourself unless you submit to being vaccinated.
Post by: nddons on March 04, 2021, 09:41:35 AM
The CEO of the company I contract with (I’m not an employee) is having her lawyers look into the legality of mandating COVID vaccinations before she opens the office back up.Thanks for the uplifting post.
I’m guessing employers will mandate it or you don’t have a job, and some anti-vaxxer might take it to court as discrimination of some sort and some court will rule that the “public good” outweighs your individual rights and anyway you have no right to that job, but it’s going to end up all companies mandate it so essentially you cannot support yourself unless you submit to being vaccinated.
Post by: Lucifer on March 04, 2021, 09:43:31 AM
The CEO of the company I contract with (I’m not an employee) is having her lawyers look into the legality of mandating COVID vaccinations before she opens the office back up.
I’m guessing employers will mandate it or you don’t have a job, and some anti-vaxxer might take it to court as discrimination of some sort and some court will rule that the “public good” outweighs your individual rights and anyway you have no right to that job, but it’s going to end up all companies mandate it so essentially you cannot support yourself unless you submit to being vaccinated.
Get it in writing that it is being forced upon you in threat of losing your job.
If you decide to get the vaccine and any nasty side effects arise, you can now hold the company/person liable.
Post by: nddons on March 04, 2021, 09:55:11 AM
Get it in writing that it is being forced upon you in threat of losing your job.Correct, because the pharmaceuticals aren’t liable, per agreement with Trump over Operation Warp Speed. But employers certainly can be if forced.
If you decide to get the vaccine and any nasty side effects arise, you can now hold the company/person liable.
So far, at my firm it is just being “encouraged.”
Our intranet has a page entitled “Get your Covid Shot.” advising us that we are essential business 1C, ways we can register, and that the vaccine is free if we are covered by any of our firm’s health insurance plans.
Post by: Rush on March 04, 2021, 09:57:54 AM
Get it in writing that it is being forced upon you in threat of losing your job.
If you decide to get the vaccine and any nasty side effects arise, you can now hold the company/person liable.
There will have to be exceptions made for people who can’t get the vaccine because of allergies to ingredients or other medical reasons. You’d have to have a note from your doctor.
In my case it’s moot, I never go to the office anyway. I’ve only been in it once and that was five years ago.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on March 04, 2021, 04:57:03 PM
Get it in writing that it is being forced upon you in threat of losing your job.
If you decide to get the vaccine and any nasty side effects arise, you can now hold the company/person liable.
No you can't; you'll also be forced to sign a waiver.
Post by: Lucifer on March 04, 2021, 05:05:34 PM
No you can't; you'll also be forced to sign a waiver.
I disagree.
A company cannot force a person under duress to sign a waiver to a vaccine that could possibly cause illness or in a remote possibility, even death.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 04, 2021, 05:11:15 PM
I disagree.
A company cannot force a person under duress to sign a waiver to a vaccine that could possibly cause illness or in a remote possibility, even death.
um, employee at will....
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on March 04, 2021, 05:22:23 PM
I disagree.
A company cannot force a person under duress to sign a waiver to a vaccine that could possibly cause illness or in a remote possibility, even death.
People sign things under duress all the time, like when getting canned and you want a severence.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 04, 2021, 05:32:07 PM
I searched and found a number of articles on the subject of employers requiring vaccinations. Some argued that such requirements were allowed. Some said it was complicated. This one cited a specific statute that would prohibit an organization requiring vaccination because the vaccines in question were issued under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA):
https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/23/federal-law-prohibits-employers-and-others-from-requiring-vaccination-with-a-covid-19-vaccine-distributed-under-an-eua/ (https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/23/federal-law-prohibits-employers-and-others-from-requiring-vaccination-with-a-covid-19-vaccine-distributed-under-an-eua/)
“Federal law prohibits employers and others from requiring vaccination with a Covid-19 vaccine distributed under an EUA
[...]
The same section of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act that authorizes the FDA to grant emergency use authorization also requires the secretary of Health and Human Services to “ensure that individuals to whom the product is administered are informed … of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product.”
Likewise, the FDA’s guidance on emergency use authorization of medical products requires the FDA to “ensure that recipients are informed to the extent practicable given the applicable circumstances … That they have the option to accept or refuse the EUA product …”
In the same vein, when Dr. Amanda Cohn, the executive secretary of the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, was asked if Covid-19 vaccination can be required, she responded that under an EUA, “vaccines are not allowed to be mandatory. So, early in this vaccination phase, individuals will have to be consented and they won’t be able to be mandatory.” Cohn later affirmed that this prohibition on requiring the vaccines applies to organizations, including hospitals.“
The relevant statute cited by the article:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3 (https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/21/360bbb-3)
I think the relevant section is:
“(e) Conditions of authorization
(1) Unapproved product
(A) Required conditions
...
(ii) Appropriate conditions designed to ensure that individuals to whom the product is administered are informed—
(I) that the Secretary has authorized the emergency use of the product;
(II) of the significant known and potential benefits and risks of such use, and of the extent to which such benefits and risks are unknown; and
(III) of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.”
Post by: Lucifer on March 04, 2021, 05:34:45 PM
People sign things under duress all the time, like when getting canned and you want a severence.
Different situation.
Forcing someone to take an injection that could potentially cause illness, or possible death or lose your job, then demand said employee sign a waiver not holding the employer liable wouldn't pass the laugh test in a court room.
I do believe the first lawsuits have now been filed against employers demanding the vaccine. We'll see how that works out.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on March 04, 2021, 05:55:55 PM
Different situation.
Forcing someone to take an injection that could potentially cause illness, or possible death or lose your job, then demand said employee sign a waiver not holding the employer liable wouldn't pass the laugh test in a court room.
I do believe the first lawsuits have now been filed against employers demanding the vaccine. We'll see how that works out.
Will be watching closely. There are ways a business can coerce "cooperation". A lot of folks are contractors and don't work directly for a client company, so the client can demand anything, including indemnity, from the contract house. Tell a bunch of Indians working for Infosys that they need the vaccine or no worky. Voila!
Post by: Steingar on March 05, 2021, 08:31:24 AM
Post by: Rush on March 05, 2021, 08:37:48 AM
You guys are nuts. The vaccines are all safe and all are 100% effective at keeping you out of the hospital. A huge percentage of the COVID victims I know have long-term and very unpleasant symptoms. Hell, Gwyineth Paltrow had it and has brain fog, though I don't know how you'd distinguish the difference. Mrs. Steingar got vaccinated and had no reaction at all. I'm getting a vaccine as soon as I can.
ROTFLMAO!
Glad the Mrs. had no reaction. I hope yours goes well too.
Post by: Lucifer on March 05, 2021, 08:40:45 AM
You guys are nuts. The vaccines are all safe and all are 100% effective at keeping you out of the hospital. A huge percentage of the COVID victims I know have long-term and very unpleasant symptoms. Hell, Gwyineth Paltrow had it and has brain fog, though I don't know how you'd distinguish the difference. Mrs. Steingar got vaccinated and had no reaction at all. I'm getting a vaccine as soon as I can.
Knock yourself out.
However, you just (once again) made a false claim.
Quote
100% effective at keeping you out of the hospital
There are many recorded incidents of people having reactions in which some required medical attention. And there have been instances where the vaccine have killed people.
Post by: Lucifer on March 05, 2021, 08:42:37 AM
Gwyineth Paltrow had it and has brain fog, though I don't know how you'd distinguish the difference.
Ms Paltrow goes through life in a brain fog, nothing new there.
Post by: Lucifer on March 05, 2021, 09:29:26 AM
Now Connecticut
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 05, 2021, 09:33:13 AM
...The vaccines are all safe and all are 100% effective at keeping you out of the hospital. ...
will you answer the following question:
Do you believe that employer can fire any employee that refuses to get a vaccination?
Post by: Steingar on March 05, 2021, 09:40:29 AM
There are many recorded incidents of people having reactions in which some required medical attention. And there have been instances where the vaccine have killed people.
True, a lot of folks have had reactions to the new vaccines. And there are vaccine events that require hospitalization and can even result in death, it is not unknown. But the risk of a pronounced adverse event from a vaccine is utterly dwarfed by the risk of adverse events, especially long term ones, from COVID. I'll take the vaccine for $200, Alex.
Like I said, I'm getting one as soon as I'm able. You should too. More vaccinated people means we can get things back to normal that much sooner.
Post by: Steingar on March 05, 2021, 09:42:59 AM
will you answer the following question:
Do you believe that employer can fire any employee that refuses to get a vaccination?
I can't see why not. Can't an employer fire a employee for any reason related to employment? I guess it's bad news if the employee can claim discrimination, though. A pal of mine was sued by an ex-employee for sex discrimination. He just showed that her work output got less and less over time, and her case didn't amount to anything.
If I'm not mistaken, kids can't go to school without vaccinations. Heck, my dog can't go to the groomer, her rabies shot is overdue.
Post by: Lucifer on March 05, 2021, 09:51:02 AM
Like I said, I'm getting one as soon as I'm able.
You go right ahead.
More vaccinated people means we can get things back to normal that much sooner.
Bullshit. You and your fellow travelers will just keep moving the goalpost, as usual. Even your beloved Pope Tony has said even with vaccinations people will still wear mask and social distance well into 2022.
Post by: Steingar on March 05, 2021, 10:55:49 AM
You and your fellow travelers will just keep moving the goalpost, as usual. Even your beloved Pope Tony has said even with vaccinations people will still wear mask and social distance well into 2022.
Get everyone vaccinated and the disease is done. Things go back to the way they were. Almost. I think masks are here to stay. I plan on wearing one when I go shopping in the winter from now on. Flu sucks pretty hard too. I wouldn't have considered it pre COVID, but I am now.
Vaccines will drive down the rate of infection. My own Republican Governor has said when new infections shrink to 50/week/100,000 he'll lift all the restrictions. With vaccines we can get there in pretty short order. I don't think my governor is doing any of this to flex his own power, he think he's trying to keep his constituents from getting killed.
Post by: Lucifer on March 05, 2021, 11:03:19 AM
Get everyone vaccinated and the disease is done. Things go back to the way they were. Almost. I think masks are here to stay. I plan on wearing one when I go shopping in the winter from now on. Flu sucks pretty hard too. I wouldn't have considered it pre COVID, but I am now.
Vaccines will drive down the rate of infection. My own Republican Governor has said when new infections shrink to 50/week/100,000 he'll lift all the restrictions. With vaccines we can get there in pretty short order. I don't think my governor is doing any of this to flex his own power, he think he's trying to keep his constituents from getting killed.
You and your fellow travelers have played games and keep moving goal post, all for political purposes. And your fellow travelers have applied maximum pressure to governors such as yours to further their political agenda. Even your beloved Pope Tony and his Branch Covidians have flip flopped so many times on their goal post moving no one can keep track.
Wear your mask. Just don't force your newfound religion on the rest of us.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on March 05, 2021, 11:03:57 AM
Get everyone vaccinated and the disease is done. Things go back to the way they were. Almost. I think masks are here to stay. I plan on wearing one when I go shopping in the winter from now on. Flu sucks pretty hard too. I wouldn't have considered it pre COVID, but I am now.
Vaccines will drive down the rate of infection. My own Republican Governor has said when new infections shrink to 50/week/100,000 he'll lift all the restrictions. With vaccines we can get there in pretty short order. I don't think my governor is doing any of this to flex his own power, he think he's trying to keep his constituents from getting killed.
Things will never go back to the way they were and it has nothing to do with the virus.
"...when new infections shrink to 50/week/100,000 he'll lift all the restrictions."
What "science" is that based upon?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 05, 2021, 11:12:11 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on March 05, 2021, 11:47:49 AM
https://populist.press/democrat-gov-is-lifting-all-capacity-limits-on-covid-restrictions/
Now Connecticut
Yet Emperor Andrew I has doubled down on keeping the peasants in their huts.
Post by: Number7 on March 05, 2021, 12:47:20 PM
Yet Emperor Andrew I has doubled down on keeping the peasants in their huts.
Liberals ares rapid sheep, worshipping government control over freedom.
They are just that stupid.
Post by: Rush on March 05, 2021, 01:33:08 PM
Get everyone vaccinated and the disease is done. Things go back to the way they were. Almost. I think masks are here to stay. I plan on wearing one when I go shopping in the winter from now on. Flu sucks pretty hard too. I wouldn't have considered it pre COVID, but I am now.
I have only gotten influenza once in the past 30 years. I must have got immune to most of them when young. There is no way I would wear a mask every winter for those odds. The mask is matter of daily quality of life. I cannot see with it on (it fogs my glasses), I get shortness of breath, it gets tangled up in my hearing aids and I feel claustrophobic wearing it. It’s fucking miserable, every time. My one flu was a miserable 3 weeks but then it was done. I’ll take that any day.
In fact if I get the flu and it kills me, it will have been worth living happily mask free for however long or short I live.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 05, 2021, 01:57:22 PM
horror!
Post by: Rush on March 05, 2021, 02:42:42 PM
True, a lot of folks have had reactions to the new vaccines. And there are vaccine events that require hospitalization and can even result in death, it is not unknown. But the risk of a pronounced adverse event from a vaccine is utterly dwarfed by the risk of adverse events, especially long term ones, from COVID. I'll take the vaccine for $200, Alex.
Like I said, I'm getting one as soon as I'm able. You should too. More vaccinated people means we can get things back to normal that much sooner.
A while back you said you'd take the mRNA vaccines but not the AAV ones. (the AstraZenica). Do you still feel that way?
Here is the thread:
http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=4993.msg84233#msg84233
Post by: Lucifer on March 05, 2021, 03:44:49 PM
Gee, all of those Neanderthals...........
Post by: Lucifer on March 05, 2021, 05:54:55 PM
Quote
Ben Stein: I had the COVID booster by Moderno four or five days ago and I am still feeling wild side effects from it like I have the worst flu in the world, extreme shortness of breath, dizziness, fatigue, extreme irrational thinking. And it has just been devastating.
https://banned.video/watch?id=604270533282f82eeac002ad
Post by: nddons on March 05, 2021, 06:14:36 PM
I have only gotten influenza once in the past 30 years. I must have got immune to most of them when young. There is no way I would wear a mask every winter for those odds. The mask is matter of daily quality of life. I cannot see with it on (it fogs my glasses), I get shortness of breath, it gets tangled up in my hearing aids and I feel claustrophobic wearing it. It’s fucking miserable, every time. My one flu was a miserable 3 weeks but then it was done. I’ll take that any day.Yes!!! That’s how I feel. I’ve beat cancer; little else scares me any more. I’m only 61, but just like after I was robbed by an armed hood rat in Chicago in the early 1990s, and I now refuse to ever be a victim, I won’t be a victim to a virus that I don’t have. I choose to live a human life, with social interaction and other things that give my life meaning.
In fact if I get the flu and it kills me, it will have been worth living happily mask free for however long or short I live.
“Give me liberty or give me death” is not just an historical quote from Patrick Henry. It’s how I live my life.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 05, 2021, 06:34:05 PM
https://banned.video/watch?id=604270533282f82eeac002ad
And after all that: “I’m glad I got it.”
Sounds like the first shot definitely primed his immune system.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 05, 2021, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: Lucifer on March 05, 2021, 07:33:39 PM
Post by: texasag93 on March 06, 2021, 04:20:09 PM
If I'm not mistaken, kids can't go to school without vaccinations. Heck, my dog can't go to the groomer, her rabies shot is overdue.
My kids have been in school since August. Public school in Texas. ZERO deaths (kids AND adults).
8 year old has to wear the mask on the bus. The rest of the day no mask.
15 year old has to wear it all day, except when playing in band or eating.
Post by: nddons on March 06, 2021, 04:42:45 PM
You guys are nuts. The vaccines are all safe and all are 100% effective at keeping you out of the hospital. A huge percentage of the COVID victims I know have long-term and very unpleasant symptoms. Hell, Gwyineth Paltrow had it and has brain fog, though I don't know how you'd distinguish the difference. Mrs. Steingar got vaccinated and had no reaction at all. I'm getting a vaccine as soon as I can.Is it? How do you know?
Adverse Incident Reports Show 966 Deaths Following Vaccination for COVID-19
https://link.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/adverse-incident-reports-show-966-deaths-following-vaccination-for-covid-19_3723384.html
Download our app to read more at https://ept.ms/DownloadApp
Post by: Number7 on March 06, 2021, 04:45:05 PM
Mikey doesn't actually have a clue when he pontificates.
He's simply babbling the lies programmed into his simple minded head.
Post by: Rush on March 07, 2021, 06:45:58 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 10, 2021, 05:23:23 AM
10 March 2021 Dilbert...
Post by: Steingar on March 10, 2021, 09:26:42 AM
Is it? How do you know?
Adverse Incident Reports Show 966 Deaths Following Vaccination for COVID-19
https://link.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/adverse-incident-reports-show-966-deaths-following-vaccination-for-covid-19_3723384.html
Download our app to read more at https://ept.ms/DownloadApp
Tried to read that, but I couldn't without giving them my Email, which I won't do. Can't tell if that's 966 (now 1600 or so) deaths from adverse reactions, or deaths from getting hit by the bus after getting vaccinated. Still, that's out of 116,000,000 doses administered. That's 0.0013%. Death from Covid is still between 0.5-1%. So you are 1000 times more likely to die from COVID than a vaccine.
Post by: Lucifer on March 10, 2021, 09:36:14 AM
Tried to read that, but I couldn't without giving them my Email, which I won't do. Can't tell if that's 966 (now 1600 or so) deaths from adverse reactions, or deaths from getting hit by the bus after getting vaccinated. Still, that's out of 116,000,000 doses administered. That's 0.0013%. Death from Covid is still between 0.5-1%. So you are 1000 times more likely to die from COVID than a vaccine.
And you have a 99.5% chance of surviving Covid.
Go get your vaccine, that's your choice. But stop trying to force your will and desires on others.
Post by: Rush on March 10, 2021, 10:04:05 AM
Tried to read that, but I couldn't without giving them my Email, which I won't do. Can't tell if that's 966 (now 1600 or so) deaths from adverse reactions, or deaths from getting hit by the bus after getting vaccinated. Still, that's out of 116,000,000 doses administered. That's 0.0013%. Death from Covid is still between 0.5-1%. So you are 1000 times more likely to die from COVID than a vaccine.
You might have missed where I asked if you still refuse to get the Oxford-AstraZeneca because it is DNA encased in an adenovirus as opposed to mRNA.
I wanted to hear your current opinion before I settled an argument between two of my sisters. One sister adamantly wants to get our 94 year old mom vaccinated. The other sister adamantly refuses. They got in a huge row about it, neither would back down but they ended up agreeing that they would consult me and abide by my decision.
I told them that I agree with mom getting the vaccine as long as it’s the Pfizer or Moderna but not the AstraZeneca or J&J. That satisfied them both, as the one who didn’t want her to get it objected most strongly to the idea of “inserting DNA into mom’s cells”.
Based on what you said in the original post where you objected to the Oxford vaccine, I told them the mRNA is delicate and after doing it’s job of programming your immune system to recognize the spike protein, probably fades into obscurity where the DNA/adenovirus is more robust, potentially causing immune system overreactions in the long run, and it hasn’t been around long enough to know if this is a problem, whereas mRNA technology has been researched for 20 or so years.
I hope I told them correctly enough. Either way it broke the standoff and they’re on track to get her vaccinated.
Post by: bflynn on March 10, 2021, 10:45:28 AM
Adverse Incident Reports Show 966 Deaths Following Vaccination for COVID-19
I cannot dispute anything about the article as it's behind a paywall and I'm not giving them tracking information just to read it.
The source of their data is probably the CDC, specifically the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). The CDC mandates that a death for any reason is reported to VAERS, so the fact that there have been 996 deaths reported does not mean those deaths are linked to the vaccine. Actually the number is up to 1013 now out of over 60,000,000 people given at least one shot.
I have downloaded the data and obviously there are at least a few items where the vaccine clearly caused death, mostly around anaphylactic shock. But mainly I see things unrelated to any vaccine in the database. There's cardiac issues, STDs, dementia (no, the president didn't die), intestinal perforations, drugs, even a gun shot.
Previous claims have said that non covid deaths have been conflated with actual covid deaths. Do you suddenly think the opposite is happening because of the vaccine?
Based on having looked at the data, I'm confident in the safety of the vaccines because science.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 10, 2021, 11:01:39 AM
You might have missed where I asked if you still refuse to get the Oxford-AstraZeneca because it is DNA encased in an adenovirus as opposed to mRNA.
I wanted to hear your current opinion before I settled an argument between two of my sisters. One sister adamantly wants to get our 94 year old mom vaccinated. The other sister adamantly refuses. They got in a huge row about it, neither would back down but they ended up agreeing that they would consult me and abide by my decision.
I told them that I agree with mom getting the vaccine as long as it’s the Pfizer or Moderna but not the AstraZeneca or J&J. That satisfied them both, as the one who didn’t want her to get it objected most strongly to the idea of “inserting DNA into mom’s cells”.
Based on what you said in the original post where you objected to the Oxford vaccine, I told them the mRNA is delicate and after doing it’s job of programming your immune system to recognize the spike protein, probably fades into obscurity where the DNA/adenovirus is more robust, potentially causing immune system overreactions in the long run, and it hasn’t been around long enough to know if this is a problem, whereas mRNA technology has been researched for 20 or so years.
I hope I told them correctly enough. Either way it broke the standoff and they’re on track to get her vaccinated.
I think steingar posted a retraction to his objection of one of those vaccines on a thread on the purple board. Not sure if he ever posted that here.
In general, unless a person forever manages to avoid getting the virus, getting infected with the virus will not be less dangerous than getting the vaccine for the simple reason that the latter codes for only one protein while the virus codes for a series of proteins that are needed to replicate itself.
Post by: bflynn on March 10, 2021, 11:20:37 AM
I think steingar posted a retraction to his objection of one of those vaccines on a thread on the purple board. Not sure if he ever posted that here.
I have read a lot of pulp science about the adenovirus. One of the most curious is that it causes AIDS.
Why? Based on research, I think it's because about 15 years ago there was an attempt at a HIV vaccine using an adenovirus as the delivery method. During a phase 2b study, the people in the test group went out and had unprotected sex and promptly caught the virus. Followup determined that the HIV virus has multiple variants which are not covered by a single vaccine, so while they might have been protected against some variants, they were not protected against all. My take away, the adenovirus did not cause an immune deficiency, it just failed to protect against additional variations of the HIV virus.
Post by: bflynn on March 10, 2021, 03:08:45 PM
I'm too busy with work right now, but this would be an excellent meme.
Post by: Rush on March 10, 2021, 07:46:52 PM
I think steingar posted a retraction to his objection of one of those vaccines on a thread on the purple board. Not sure if he ever posted that here.
In general, unless a person forever manages to avoid getting the virus, getting infected with the virus will not be less dangerous than getting the vaccine for the simple reason that the latter codes for only one protein while the virus codes for a series of proteins that are needed to replicate itself.
I think he’s ignoring me. :'(
Post by: Lucifer on March 10, 2021, 07:48:24 PM
I think he’s ignoring me. :'(
Ya think?
Post by: Steingar on March 11, 2021, 09:55:35 AM
Post by: Rush on March 11, 2021, 11:04:57 AM
Not ignoring anyone, I just have a life. I was badly mistaken about the AZ vaccine, I thought it utilized an AAV backbone, but it uses an adenovirus backbone. AAV perdures in cells, adeno doesn't. Scheduled to get my vaccine March 23rd. Wasn't the soonest I could get it (that would be Monday the 22nd) but I didn't have any appointments on the 23rd. Mrs. Steingar got the second shot yesterday and is utterly miserable. I might skip that party myself.
Oh, yes you did say Adeno Associated Virus and I must have thought that was the same thing as an adenovirus. I do read that AAVs potentially last longer than adenoviruses.
But there is still a difference between mRNA and DNA, right? Like it says here:
Quote
But with any health advancement comes potential risk. Gennaro says that with a DNA vaccine, there is always a risk it can cause a permanent change to the cell’s natural DNA sequence.
“Usually, there are ways in which DNA vaccines are made that try to minimize this risk, but it’s a potential risk,” she says. “Instead, if you inject mRNA, it cannot get integrated into the genetic material of a cell. It is also ready to be translated into protein.”
https://www.verywellhealth.com/rna-vs-dna-vaccine-5082285
So I was correct when I told my sisters the DNA was potentially more problematic than mRNA?
I was kidding about you purposely ignoring me. :) I know my question got lost in the thread.
Post by: Steingar on March 11, 2021, 12:38:33 PM
Oh, yes you did say Adeno Associated Virus and I must have thought that was the same thing as an adenovirus. I do read that AAVs potentially last longer than adenoviruses.
But there is still a difference between mRNA and DNA, right? Like it says here:
https://www.verywellhealth.com/rna-vs-dna-vaccine-5082285
So I was correct when I told my sisters the DNA was potentially more problematic than mRNA?
I was kidding about you purposely ignoring me. :) I know my question got lost in the thread.
mRNA is normally more fragile intracellularly than DNA, but that has very little to do with the COVID vaccines. The Pfizer and Moderna use mRNAs as the vaccine, they're strengthened and incased in a micellular reagent that gets them into the cell. The mRNAs are translated in the cytoplasm to make the antigen. Viral delivery vectors take advantage of the ability of some DNA viruses to infiltrate and sometimes persist in mammalian cells.
Naked DNA won't last much longer than RNA, neither are terribly stable intracellularly on their own.
Post by: Rush on March 11, 2021, 12:44:44 PM
mRNA is normally more fragile intracellularly than DNA, but that has very little to do with the COVID vaccines. The Pfizer and Moderna use mRNAs as the vaccine, they're strengthened and incased in a micellular reagent that gets them into the cell. The mRNAs are translated in the cytoplasm to make the antigen. Viral delivery vectors take advantage of the ability of some DNA viruses to infiltrate and sometimes persist in mammalian cells.
Naked DNA won't last much longer than RNA, neither are terribly stable intracellularly on their own.
Thanks, well, it's moot, only the Pfizer and Moderna are available in my mom's area and the two sisters are in agreement and not fighting about it anymore so I'm leaving it alone.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 11, 2021, 01:55:01 PM
Thanks, well, it's moot, only the Pfizer and Moderna are available in my mom's area and the two sisters are in agreement and not fighting about it anymore so I'm leaving it alone.
J&J will eventually ramp up production... but I hope you mom gets vaccinations sooner rather than waiting for the J&J to get out in quantity (but only if she really wants to be vaccinated - I won't force anyone to get vaccinated)
Post by: Rush on March 11, 2021, 03:08:39 PM
J&J will eventually ramp up production... but I hope you mom gets vaccinations sooner rather than waiting for the J&J to get out in quantity (but only if she really wants to be vaccinated - I won't force anyone to get vaccinated)
Her mind is completely gone, she has no idea whether she wants it or not. It’s useless to ask her, she’ll just say, “I don’t understand,” and “I don’t know, you decide.” She’s like a baby mentally and views my sister as a parent. That sister and my other sister live in town and have to deal with her day to day so while legally I’m her healthcare power of attorney, I usually leave decisions like that up to them. The only reason I got involved is they disagreed and couldn’t come to a resolution so asked me to be the tiebreaker.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 11, 2021, 03:22:42 PM
Her mind is completely gone, she has no idea whether she wants it or not. ...
I'm sorry to hear that.
:-(
Post by: Rush on March 11, 2021, 04:00:33 PM
I'm sorry to hear that.
:-(
She turns 94 this week so she’s had a good run. She still enjoys puzzles and Chinese checkers, and even plays spades. She can’t bid accurately or remember what’s been played but she knows what card to put down that will win the hand, and we are very lenient with the scoring.
It’s just since covid her mind has really gone downhill. All the doctors are saying they’re seeing it in the old people, staying shut up in their homes is very detrimental to them. Maybe if they all get vaccinated they’ll open up the senior center and she can start going back there. We are really hoping that might reverse some of this decline.
Tuesday she had a horrible day, my sister called late at night and told me she thinks mom might be dying or sick, says she can’t get to sleep, she had been saying “I want to die,” all afternoon, wouldn’t eat anything, wouldn’t eat ice cream, she’s never refused ice cream in all our lives, wouldn’t watch TV, kept repeating she felt very bad and wanted to die. My sister asked if anything hurt, no, are you nauseated, no, what are you upset about? “I don’t know, I just want to die.” My sister checked for signs of stroke, no fever, no bathroom issues, blood pressure fine, no sign of local infection, not dehydrated, she’s been drinking normally. Had bloodwork just last week, comprehensive panel, thyroid, liver, kidneys, sugar, iron, everything okay. Of course the dilemma is do we take her to urgent care or the ER? Is she having a fatal event and if so does she even want to do anything about it, she’s got the DNR thing in her papers and taking her in would just expose her to covid plus just be extremely traumatic for her.
So we go through the agony of deciding whether or not to take her knowing full well that in the morning if she wakes up dead we will feel no end of guilty for not taking her in. In the morning I texted my sister, “is mom still alive?” And my sister texted back, “yep, woke up fine, all back to normal. Like nothing ever happened.”
Go figure. It’s like when you have a newborn and they get all out of sorts and can’t verbalize what the hell is wrong and you will never know.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on March 11, 2021, 04:15:31 PM
But I tell you what ... we need to listen to these ladies. If your Mom says she’s ready to die, then your decisions don’t need to induce guilt whichever way they turn out.
My Mom declined the vaccines and said, “I’m ready to go.” And she just had a perfect checkup ... excellent health, no aches or pains, and blood work normal.
But you’re right ... isolation is a killer in normal times. This is hell for the elderly. We have an outing once a week and we FaceTime daily and visit frequently in person. But being with their friends and church people and groups is so important.
Post by: Lucifer on March 12, 2021, 07:39:03 AM
Quote
In his speech, Dr. Atlas warned that the response to COVID-19 in the US has underscored a lack of diverse viewpoints on American college campuses and in the American mainstream press.
First, I have been shocked at the enormous power of the government, to unilaterally decree, to simply close businesses and schools by edict, restrict personal movement, mandate behavior, and eliminate our most basic freedoms, without any end and little accountability.
Second, I remain surprised at the acceptance by the American people of draconian rules, restrictions, and unprecedented mandates, even those that are arbitrary, destructive, and wholly unscientific.
This crisis has also exposed what we all have known existed, but we have tolerated for years: the overt bias of the media, the lack of diverse viewpoints on campuses, the absence of neutrality in big tech controlling social media, and now more visibly than ever, the intrusion of politics into science. Ultimately, the freedom to seek and state the truth is at risk here in the United States.
Well, as it turns out, Dr. Atlas isn't alone. In a recent email interview with Newsweek, Stanford's Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, a professor at the medical school, warned that the lockdowns would be remembered as the "biggest public health mistake we've ever made...the harm to people is catastrophic." Bhattacharya was one of the co-authors, along with Dr. Atlas, of the Great Barrington Declaration.
I stand behind my comment that the lockdowns are the single worst public health mistake in the last 100 years. We will be counting the catastrophic health and psychological harms, imposed on nearly every poor person on the face of the earth, for a generation.
At the same time, they have not served to control the epidemic in the places where they have been most vigorously imposed. In the US, they have - at best - protected the "non-essential" class from COVID, while exposing the essential working class to the disease. The lockdowns are trickle down epidemiology.
Bhattacharya explained that his support of the declaration stems from "two basic facts".
"One is that people who are older have a much higher risk from dying from COVID than people who are younger...and that's a really important fact because we know who his most vulnerable, it's people that are older. So the first plank of the Great Barrington Declaration: let's protect the vulnerable," Bhattacharya said.
"The other idea is that the lockdowns themselves impose great harm on people. Lockdowns are not a natural normal way to live."
He also cautioned that lockdowns have aggravated economic inequality by creating an undue burden for the poor. "it's also not very equal," Bhattacharya explained. "People who are poor face much more hardship from the lockdowns than people who are rich."
As of Monday, the Great Barrington Declaration has received signatures from over 13,000 medical and public health scientists, and more than 41,000 medical practitioners, along with at least 754,399 "concerned citizens".
US states are already moving to roll back restrictions, with Texas and Mississippi leading the charge to lift all remaining vestiges of the lockdown, while blue states like Connecticut and Maryland have also laid out plans to ease their COVID measures, as the closures increasingly chafe voters. Meanwhile, federal authorities like Dr. Anthony Fauci have continued to urge states to wait, warning that mutated strains of the virus could cause a resurgence if the US gives them an opening.
Post by: Lucifer on March 13, 2021, 07:47:44 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/03/dr-deborah-birx-set-make-big-dollars-latest-move-will-join-g-w-bush-institute-private-sector-pushing-covid-cleaning-air-purifiers/
Post by: Username on March 14, 2021, 09:36:21 AM
"In Science one would rather have Questions that cannot be answered than Answers that cannot be questioned."
Post by: Lucifer on March 15, 2021, 03:54:28 PM
Post by: Rush on March 15, 2021, 04:29:34 PM
Post by: Lucifer on March 15, 2021, 04:30:34 PM
I’m surprised Youtube hasn’t removed that.
Give 'em time. I say in the next few hours.
Post by: Rush on March 15, 2021, 05:14:42 PM
Post by: Cessna182b on March 15, 2021, 05:32:35 PM
Post by: Anthony on March 15, 2021, 09:06:36 PM
Another source: https://standupcanada.solutions/truth-about-covid
Canada and Europe are what the Democrats want us to become, then a colony of China. No Rights except Government granted ones, few freedoms and no Liberty. No legally owned guns, nor the ability to fight back. Just oppression.
Post by: Lucifer on March 16, 2021, 07:41:30 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 16, 2021, 07:42:03 AM
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2021, 07:58:56 AM
The Munsters are too cool, btw.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 16, 2021, 08:57:09 AM
I am amazed at the effectiveness of propaganda and mass indoctrination that make people think a hastily developed, and dubiously tested chemical concoction should be taken without thought or worry of the potential short and LONG TERM consequences. Madness.
The Munsters are too cool, btw.
Loaded terminology and special pleading. Have you considered becoming a politician?
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2021, 09:09:44 AM
Loaded terminology and special pleading. Have you considered becoming a politician?
Since this is now an accepted form of communication here....
Fuck You. ;D
Post by: Lucifer on March 16, 2021, 10:34:10 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 16, 2021, 10:39:07 AM
Since this is now an accepted form of communication here....
Fuck You. ;D
or isn't it: Bless your heart
Post by: Steingar on March 16, 2021, 11:56:28 AM
I am amazed at the effectiveness of propaganda and mass indoctrination that make people think a hastily developed, and dubiously tested chemical concoction should be taken without thought or worry of the potential short and LONG TERM consequences. Madness.
Actually, people have been working on gene therapy vectors and mRNA therapeutics for a long time. They've been used in animals for ages. The actually vaccines were quickly developed, but that's only because you need nothing more than the sequence of the virus in order to develop them. Like I said, whatever side effects you get from the vaccine (most vaccines have side effects, just like most medicines) is chicken feed compared to what COVID does to you, and we really haven't finished the book on that one.
The Munsters are too cool, btw.The show's theme song is my ring tone.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 16, 2021, 11:58:04 AM
Since this is now an accepted form of communication here....
Fuck You. ;D
My apologies for suggesting you become politician. ;)
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2021, 12:06:14 PM
My apologies for suggesting you become politician. ;)
Thanks. All in good fun Jim, all in good fun. ;D
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2021, 12:13:23 PM
Actually, people have been working on gene therapy vectors and mRNA therapeutics for a long time. They've been used in animals for ages. The actually vaccines were quickly developed, but that's only because you need nothing more than the sequence of the virus in order to develop them. Like I said, whatever side effects you get from the vaccine (most vaccines have side effects, just like most medicines) is chicken feed compared to what COVID does to you, and we really haven't finished the book on that one.
I truly believe I've had it already and it was a day or two of a low grade fever and mild cold symptoms. I've been around thousands of people since to no ill effect. I feel great and I am not going to put that at jeopardy at this point.
Quote
The show's theme song is my ring tone.
I am old enough to have seen the show when it debuted. Has to be one of the greatest TV theme songs of all time.
Post by: nddons on March 16, 2021, 12:20:45 PM
I truly believe I've had it already and it was a day or two of a low grade fever and mild cold symptoms. I've been around thousands of people since to no ill effect. I feel great and I am not going to put that at jeopardy and this point.Lilly was hot.
I am old enough to have seen the show when it debuted. Has to be one of the greatest TV them songs of all time.
Post by: Lucifer on March 16, 2021, 12:22:18 PM
Like I said, whatever side effects you get from the vaccine (most vaccines have side effects, just like most medicines) is chicken feed compared to what COVID does to you, and we really haven't finished the book on that one.
So the deaths from the covid vaccine are "chicken feed"?
So you are willing to accept death and debilitation as long as it's induced by the vaccine?
BTW, I've already had Covid. Other than a very slight cold that lasted about 3 days, that was it.
Post by: Rush on March 16, 2021, 01:18:38 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 16, 2021, 01:28:56 PM
A coworker got the antibody test and it was positive. She had not been sick at all before the lockdowns but way back before it all started, late 2019 or January 2020, she got a “bad flu”. She now thinks she had the covid. I think she’s right and I think it’s actually been in the US since probably November 2019.
Or she could have contracted it recently and was one of the many people who never experienced any symptoms
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2021, 01:33:07 PM
Or she could have contracted it recently and was one of the many people who never experienced any symptoms
That's what I think also.
Post by: Rush on March 16, 2021, 01:35:44 PM
Or she could have contracted it recently and was one of the many people who never experienced any symptoms
That’s true, or it could have been a false positive.
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2021, 02:32:23 PM
Lilly was hot.
So was Morticia Adams. Now that's a threesome just waiting to happen!
Post by: nddons on March 16, 2021, 04:06:12 PM
A coworker got the antibody test and it was positive. She had not been sick at all before the lockdowns but way back before it all started, late 2019 or January 2020, she got a “bad flu”. She now thinks she had the covid. I think she’s right and I think it’s actually been in the US since probably November 2019.I had a bad upper respiratory problem in early February 2020. I wonder if that was the CCP virus. I wonder how you go about getting the antibody test. They would be good to know before getting a vaccine, don’t you think?
Post by: nddons on March 16, 2021, 04:07:26 PM
So was Morticia Adams. Now that's a threesome just waiting to happen!(https://media2.giphy.com/media/IwAZ6dvvvaTtdI8SD5/giphy.gif)
Post by: Little Joe on March 16, 2021, 04:19:29 PM
COVID "can be" a serious disease. It is highly contagious. Some people that get it suffer very few effects. Some people suffer serious effects. Hopefully, new treatments will reduce the seriousness, but I also hope that the vaccine reduces the spread of the disease.
I agree with Michael. the side effects of the vaccine are chicken feed compared to the potential effects of the disease.
Post by: Lucifer on March 16, 2021, 04:35:47 PM
States were screaming "cases!" when the death numbers fell. Even the death numbers were highly exaggerated by listing everyone who died "with" covid along with those who died "from" covid.
Post by: Rush on March 16, 2021, 04:42:22 PM
I had a bad upper respiratory problem in early February 2020. I wonder if that was the CCP virus. I wonder how you go about getting the antibody test. They would be good to know before getting a vaccine, don’t you think?
Order it through here:
https://www.healthtestingcenters.com/search-results/?search=sars-cov-2+antibodies
Or here:
https://www.labcorp.com/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/individuals/antibody-test
Post by: nddons on March 16, 2021, 04:48:19 PM
"Case numbers" are meaningless. Only during the scamdemic did "cases" get twisted and misconstrued as to their true meaning.The Milwaukee nightly news people were jizzing all over themselves announcing the daily number of “new cases” every night. It was sickening. When numbers of cases began to drop, there was always an excuse - fewer tests on weekends, people shopping on Black Friday, the weather was bad so fewer tests, etc.
States were screaming "cases!" when the death numbers fell. Even the death numbers were highly exaggerated by listing everyone who died "with" covid along with those who died "from" covid.
Post by: Rush on March 16, 2021, 04:55:01 PM
The Milwaukee nightly news people were jizzing all over themselves announcing the daily number of “new cases” every night.
We got the bubble headed
Bleached blonde
Comes on at five
She can tell you 'bout the plane crash
With a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die
Give us dirty laundry
Post by: nddons on March 16, 2021, 05:49:30 PM
Order it through here:Thanks.
https://www.healthtestingcenters.com/search-results/?search=sars-cov-2+antibodies
Or here:
https://www.labcorp.com/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/individuals/antibody-test
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 16, 2021, 05:53:35 PM
OVID "can be" a serious disease. It is highly contagious. Some people that get it suffer very few effects. Some people suffer serious effects. Hopefully, new treatments will reduce the seriousness, but I also hope that the vaccine reduces the spread of the disease.
COVID-19 is not highly contagious.
from the CDC: "Information from the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic suggest that this virus is spreading more efficiently than influenza, but not as efficiently as measles, which is highly contagious."
Post by: Lucifer on March 21, 2021, 02:35:55 PM
“Just until we flatten the curve”
“...until testing capacity ramps up”
“...tracers are in place”
“... 2 more weeks...2 more...2 more”
“...until vaccines are out”
“...seniors gets vaccinated”
“...everyone is”
“...until we are 100% safe”
Post by: Lucifer on March 23, 2021, 10:10:30 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 23, 2021, 10:14:33 AM
Understand That Some People Love the Pandemic
Kurt Schlichter
Quote
It might not occur to you, because you are not a bizarre wierdo, but a lot of people really love the pandemic. Not just the little fascist gnome who changes his #science advice more often than a Wellesley girl changes her preferences during her sophomore year experimental phase, and not just the fascist pols who get off on exploiting their emergency powers to boss people around, but even some regular people. The masks, the paranoia, the constant talk about vaccines – some people love this stuff.
This is their Woodstock.
And they never want it to end.
Why would anyone enjoy this idiocy? Limits on your freedom, hectoring pests, nitwits riding around in their Priuses with face diapers wrapped around their talk-holes… it’s an abomination. Yet there’s this slice of the populace that gets into it. They resist a return to normalcy because their normal lives were not that great to begin with and this is the most exciting thing that will ever happen to them.
People crave a challenge, and for a while one of the most challenging things about America was its utter lack of challenge. It’s generally safe here. You probably won’t get hurt, except by accidents or if you live in a big Democratic city, and only then if you find yourself in the wrong neighborhood. You won’t starve – even if you are a bum, someone is handing you a ham sandwich. You really have to go looking for danger, and people do. They get into extreme sports, or flirt with crime, join the military, or date a Cuban chick.
The hardworking people who built America and made it safe, secure, and prosperous, also made it, in some ways, empty. We inherited a paradise. We paid nothing, did nothing, and most importantly, we risked nothing. But human beings are designed to do all those things. And we never really got a chance to.
People need to be tested. They crave meaning. I merely oversaw a heavily-armed carwash during the Gulf War, but even then, being in a war zone as history happened around us, we all had this feeling of being alive unlike anything else we had ever experienced. I did not get it back until I was driving around riot-torn Los Angeles with an M16 rifle during the riots. I did not want there to be a war, or for the Democrats to encourage people to burn down their own communities, but I would not have rather been anywhere else.
That’s what the pandemic is for these people. It’s their war. It’s something that lets them transcend their boring lives.
Look at our entertainment. Dystopian tales are hugely popular in American culture (including mine). Take The Walking Dead (please, and far way). Before it became lousy and boring and woke, it was very popular. Why? Because people like zombies? No, because it showed our regular everyday America turned upside down and let people imagine, just for an hour a week, what they might do if the Schiff hit the fan and they had to struggle to survive.
And some Schiff sort of hit the fan under the pandemic. It was weird and sort of scary and, most importantly, it was different. The disease itself could actually kill you, though with a 99 percent survival rate for most healthy folks, the odds were generally in your favor (when I got it, it was like a slight cold). But there were the public manifestations of chaos. Going to a Trader Joe’s during the first days of the unprecedented lockdown, seeing the wine moms load up on hummus, ciabatta, and $5.99 screw-top Chardonnay as if they were anticipating the breakdown of the entire social fabric, was memorable. For once, things were not certain in America. And something within human beings responds to that uncertainty. We were designed to fight for survival, and even if that meant battling to be the one getting the last bag of frozen orange chicken, it was something.
The initial pandemic uproar broke people out of their rut, which is kind of an odd notion since most of the people in human history would absolutely love to be in the rut Americans were as a people. But as bizarre as it is, and as strange when you look at it closely, it’s still a real thing. People yearned, at some level, for some kind of excitement, and the pandemic had to do.
Now, the better adjusted among us put that nonsense aside pretty quickly. The novelty wore off fast and the stupid masks and inability to eat our bone-in ribeyes inside of restaurants like normal people got old quick. Not all of us had jobs we could do from our laptop in the rumpus room, and this whole thing is a lot less fun if you’re out of a job. But millions are not really put out all that much. They could do their diversity consulting or whatever at home alongside their many cats and allow themselves to be swept away by the excitement of the pandemic.
And now you can see them not wanting to give it up. They talk about nothing but the vaccines, but they also want to disregard their effect and make believe the plague is still sweeping the country. They chatter about herd immunity, but they also fear reaching it because that would mean going back to their old, boring lives.
It’s kind of sad, but not so sad that the rest of us are going to play this nonsense much longer. We’re done with this. It’s time for those with empty lives to fill them up again with something that isn’t a hassle to the rest of us.
Post by: Anthony on March 23, 2021, 10:53:39 AM
https://www.nps.gov/nama/learn/news/cherry2021.htm
The National Park Service is one of the most radically, far left agencies in government. THEY think they own the parks and they are meant for only them to use. Screw THE PEOPLE who really own and pay for them. They have way too much power. Who was that idiot on POA?
Post by: Little Joe on March 23, 2021, 11:00:29 AM
The National Park Service is one of the most radically, far left agencies in government. THEY think they own the parks and they are meant for only them to use. Screw THE PEOPLE who really own and pay for them. They have way too much power. Who was that idiot on POA?That's an awfully wide open question.
Post by: nddons on March 23, 2021, 12:22:11 PM
https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2021/03/22/understand-that-some-people-love-the-pandemic-n2586599That’s an excellent article, and spot in. Ignore the Tv reporters who wear a mask when they’re 15’ away from the cameraman. I’m talking about normal everyday people. Some are LIVING for this shit.
Understand That Some People Love the Pandemic
Kurt Schlichter
They feel like this is their moment to be in MLK’s “I have a dream” speech crowd, massed with other people, just wanting to “do something.” And they actually think they are.
Add in the people who NOW feel that they are relevant, with their “I Mask” memes on FB. Same with people who got vaxxed.
Sickening.
Post by: Username on March 23, 2021, 12:31:34 PM
Post by: Rush on March 23, 2021, 01:13:18 PM
As adults you know better, you’ve seen and suffered enough disaster to appreciate boring safety and security. These people who seem to be loving wearing masks and obsessing about the pandemic remind me of my immature naive kid self. That’s not a compliment.
Post by: Lucifer on March 23, 2021, 01:41:14 PM
Quote
“Sorry Dr. Fauci and other fearmongers,” physician and Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) says, touting newly-released findings of a study on the effectiveness of vaccines and naturally-acquired immunity against COVID-19 variants.
“Sorry Dr Fauci and other fearmongers, new study shows vaccines and naturally acquired immunity DO effectively neutralize COVID variants,” Sen. Paul tweeted Sunday.
“Good news for everyone but bureaucrats and petty tyrants!” Sen. Paul added, linking to a research letter, “Neutralizing Antibodies Against SARS-CoV-2 Variants After Infection and Vaccination,” published March 19, 2021 in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).
The research focused on three groups of patients hospitalized at Emory University and examined four different COVID variants.
The letter says that results suggest that vaccine and infection-obtained immunity is maintained in the face of COVID variants:
“This study found neutralizing activity of infection- and vaccine-elicited antibodies against 4 SARS-CoV-2 variants, including B.1, B.1.1.7, and N501Y. Because neutralization studies measure the ability of antibodies to block virus infection, these results suggest that infection- and vaccine-induced immunity may be retained against the B.1.1.7 variant. As additional variants emerge, neutralizing-antibody responses after infection and vaccination should be monitored.
“Limitations include the small sample size, possible selection bias, lack of clinical outcomes, and how neutralization titers correlate with protection.”
As CNSNews.com reported, Sen. Paul and White House Chief Medical Advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci clashed in a Senate hearing last Thursday over whether people who have immunity from the coronavirus should still be forced to wear protective masks.
Sen. Paul repeatedly asked Dr. Fauci to cite any evidence that people who have been vaccinated against the virus still need to wear a mask because they’re still at risk of contracting the virus again. Dr. Fauci did not respond, other than to say that the threat of presumed “variants” of the virus might still possibly be able to infect the vaccinated.
Post by: Rush on March 23, 2021, 02:13:13 PM
https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/sen-rand-paul-new-covid-study-good-news-everyone-bureaucrats-and-petty-tyrants
Dr. Fauci did not respond, other than to say that the threat of presumed “variants” of the virus might still possibly be able to infect the vaccinated.
And an asteroid could hit tomorrow and wipe us all out. There comes a point we have to ignore ever diminishing risk and get back to living.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 23, 2021, 02:28:05 PM
Post by: Anthony on March 23, 2021, 04:40:39 PM
That's an awfully wide open question.
True. The guy that is actually a park ranger in the NPS and to the Left of Lenin and the Democrats.
Post by: Number7 on March 23, 2021, 05:43:22 PM
Dr. Fauci did not respond, other than to say that the threat of presumed “variants” of the virus might still possibly be able to infect the vaccinated.
And an asteroid could hit tomorrow and wipe us all out. There comes a point we have to ignore ever diminishing risk and get back to living.
The REAL THREAT will be COVID causing a zombie apocalypse and wiping out gigantic population centers...
be afwaid...
be very afwaid...
Post by: Lucifer on March 24, 2021, 05:53:24 AM
https://www.barrons.com/news/we-are-in-a-new-pandemic-due-to-virus-variant-merkel-01616466604
'We Are In A New Pandemic' Due To Virus Variant: Merkel
Quote
The British coronavirus variant has become the dominant strain in Germany, meaning that Europe's biggest economy was "in a new pandemic", Chancellor Angela Merkel said Tuesday as she announced tighter shutdown measures after marathon talks with regional leaders.
"Essentially, we have a new virus...it is much deadlier, much more infectious and infectious for much longer," the veteran chancellor said at a press conference in Berlin.
Post by: Lucifer on March 24, 2021, 07:13:06 AM
Quote
One day after imposing a 5-day ultra-strict lockdown set to take effect over Easter weekend (presumably to head off any holiday-inspired spread), German Chancellor Angela Merkel has abandoned the plan, though Germany is still planning to extend its current restrictions through April 18.
Merkel is dropping the plan after it inspired an intense public backlash and resistance by politicians in the opposition and Merkel's coalition, anonymous sources reportedly told Bloomberg. Merkel informed the leaders of Germany's 16 states in a video call on Wednesday morning that she was dropping the five-day lockdown, which would have closed all businesses. Even supermarkets would have been forced to limit operations.
The planned restrictions also prohibited private gatherings of more than five adults from two different households, and required Easter services at German churches to be conducted virtually, angering Germans who already spent their Christmas holiday isolated from family members. During a meeting earlier this week, Germany's local leaders reluctantly assented to the Chancellor's plan.
"I take full responsibility for this misjudgement," Merkel told the state leaders. Asking forgiveness for the plan, she said that the shutdown was "created with the best of intentions" but it's strictures are simply unable to be implemented.
Many within Merkel's ruling Christian-Democrat-led coalition applauded her decision. Bavarian Premier Markus Soder said that he respected the chancellor’s change of heart, while pointing out that the proposed restrictions had faced questions over their legality, RT reports.
Merkel faced a barrage of criticism over the measures, including a ban on church services, which was particularly controversial.
Clergy, and even Interior Minister Horst Seehofer, a longtime political ally, urged the chancellor to reconsider. Some state leaders even proclaimed that they would not abide by the rule.
Saxony’s Prime Minister Michael Kretschmer said that his state would not prevent churches from holding in-person services.
Before the U-turn, Merkel had insisted that the 5-day ultra-restrictive lockdown was necessary to prevent a "third wave" of COVID from worsening in Europe.
Other European countries, including France and the Netherlands, have revived or extended their lockdowns (or at least announced their intentions to do so).
In Germany, some areas of the country have begun to slowly reopen, while the German government has implemented a plan that would reverse the easing of restrictions if weekly cases per 100K residents rises above 100. Germany has remained in varying degrees of lockdown for roughly a year now, as the prolonged restrictions, originally described as temporary, sparked a string of demonstrations from frustrated citizens.
Post by: Lucifer on March 24, 2021, 07:16:22 AM
https://populist.press/heartbroken-mother-tells-story-of-forced-vaccination-loss-of-child-at-hands-of-fl-judge/
Post by: Lucifer on March 24, 2021, 07:53:56 AM
https://twitter.com/TheEliKlein/status/1373408037692710914
Post by: Rush on March 24, 2021, 08:12:55 AM
The face of tyranny.
https://populist.press/heartbroken-mother-tells-story-of-forced-vaccination-loss-of-child-at-hands-of-fl-judge/
That’s insane. Children are at virtually no risk from covid. That judge needs to be fired and sued.
Post by: Lucifer on March 24, 2021, 08:15:33 AM
That’s insane. Children are at virtually no risk from covid. That judge needs to be fired and sued.
It's tyranny. Out of control leftist that know they are not accountable. Much the same as that idiot Judge Sullivan in the Gen Flynn case.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 24, 2021, 08:51:38 AM
From Germany, run a little over two minutes.
Post by: nddons on March 24, 2021, 09:01:03 AM
https://twitter.com/abirballan/status/1373207960420253697?s=20 (https://twitter.com/abirballan/status/1373207960420253697?s=20)Brilliant. Love it.
From Germany, run a little over two minutes.
Also the first good use of the metric system. 🥸
Post by: Lucifer on March 25, 2021, 06:10:16 AM
When Will We Finally Be Free of Fauci
-Buck Sexton
Quote
If any expert had told you a year ago that people who were fully vaccinated would still have to mask up and avoid human contact whenever possible, that would’ve been considered absolutely nuts.
But here we are… and the bureaucratic COVID tyranny rages on.
Dr. Fauci, the diminutive public health Stalinist, has shifted the goalposts yet again. The official guidance – from the same lab-coat tyrants at the NIAID and CDC who’ve helped bring you “stand here” footprints in elevators and “mask up between bites” guidance for restaurants – is that you must act like an unvaccinated person even after you’ve been vaccinated or recovered naturally from the disease.
This is neither rational nor acceptable… They say it’s for safety, but mostly it’s for control.
As always, Fauci and his fan club of lockdown enthusiasts claim this is about “the science.” But that’s just propaganda… We aren’t talking about the temperature at which water boils or the products of photosynthesis.
Fauci, the CDC, and their ilk are making enormously consequential policy decisions under the guise of objective scientific truth. What they are effectively arguing for is the right to determine – without any meaningful public debate – when it’s “safe” for people to start living their lives normally again.
Is it reasonable to expect people – who by the CDC’s own statistics have a better than 99% chance of surviving a COVID infection, and on top of that have received a 95% effective vaccination – to refrain from living their lives? Are they really supposed to avoid their relatives for another three months, maybe six… who knows, it could even be another year?
The officials and talking heads who push this madness rarely subject themselves to meaningful debates on any of it. There’s just a committee of advisors or experts who gather behind closed doors at public health agencies, and then their pronouncements are treated like gospel by the lockdowners and mask maniacs.
Elected officials (mostly Democrats) then enforce the dictates as though it’s out of their hands. It all feels very Soviet…
One notable exception to this unaccountable power grab came last week up on Capitol Hill. Dr. Fauci appeared before a congressional committee to discuss the issue of mask wearing after vaccination. Some of his exchange with Sen. Rand Paul, who is also an M.D. and has been one of the few true critics of Fauciism, went directly to the absurdity of the “mask up after vaccination” claims…
Sen. Paul: Dr. Fauci, in a recent British study, David Wiley and others found that no symptomatic reinfections from COVID-19 after following 2,800 patients for several months. In fact, there’ve been no reports of significant numbers of reinfections after acquiring COVID-19 naturally.
Given that no scientific studies have shown significant numbers of reinfections of patients previously infected or previously vaccinated, what specific studies do you cite to argue that the public should be wearing masks well into 2022?
Dr. Fauci: I’m not sure I understand the connection of what you’re saying about masks and reinfection. We’re talking about people who have never been infected before.
Sen. Paul: You’re telling everybody to wear a mask, whether they’ve had an infection or a vaccine. What I’m saying is they have immunity and everybody agrees they have immunity. What studies do you have that people that have had the vaccine or have had the infection are spreading the infection? If we’re not spreading the infection, isn’t it just theater?
Dr. Fauci: No, it’s not-
Sen. Paul: If you’ve had a vaccine and you’re wearing two masks, isn’t that theater?
For anyone who’s keeping score… Yes, it’s clearly theater. It’s unreasonable to expect people to live their lives in constant fear, frustration, and inconvenience because there’s a theoretical possibility that breathing air normally will spread a virus to someone even after the person breathing has been vaccinated against that possibility.
The people calling the shots on this are delusional. Recently, the CDC gave some crumbs from the table of our basic freedoms, including that you can visit with other fully vaccinated people indoors without masks or physical distancing. Are we supposed to be grateful for this?
Does anyone in the CDC actually live in America, or do they just go from their bedrooms to their living rooms for appearances on MSNBC? Most normal Americans across the country have already been spending time with family indoors without masks for many months.
This is the result of mass hysteria, created in large part by the mass media… The Democratic party leveraged this to defeat Trump in 2020, and now they want to keep the madness going as long as they can to squeeze even more political benefit from this health policy autocracy.
As a country, we need to get back to some basic truths. Nothing is perfect, there’s no absolute safety… And if the government can take away any of your rights “for your own good,” then you don’t have any rights.
Dr. Fauci and the rest of the lockdown chorus have been a reminder of this, alongside their catastrophic policy failure to stop or contain the virus in the first place. Enough is enough, Fauci needs to go.
Post by: Anthony on March 25, 2021, 06:14:19 AM
The REAL THREAT will be COVID causing a zombie apocalypse and wiping out gigantic population centers...
be afwaid...
be very afwaid...
At this point, I'd actually welcome that. It can't be any worse than the Far Left, PC, Woke, SJW zombies that now permeate society or at least that's what the Democrat/Media alliance wants you to think.
Post by: nddons on March 25, 2021, 08:03:47 AM
https://americanconsequences.com/when-will-we-finally-be-free-of-fauci-buck-sexton/If the NFL moved the goalposts as much as Fauci they would have already found Jimmy Hoffa’s body in the Meadowlands.
When Will We Finally Be Free of Fauci
-Buck Sexton
Post by: Lucifer on March 25, 2021, 08:09:34 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/03/24/researchers-produce-nose-only-covid-19-masks/
Post by: Username on March 25, 2021, 08:14:26 AM
Post by: nddons on March 25, 2021, 08:54:35 AM
“One rule is all fans ages 2 and older must ALWAYS wear a facial covering over nose and mouth except while actively eating and drinking in their designated seating pods. No exceptions will be made to the mask requirement.”
“Actively” eating or drinking is bites or sips. You are to put the mask back on in between bites.
Sounds fun to go to the ballpark, doesn’t it?
Oh, and the Brewers were going to honor a WWII POW who lives in Wisconsin but winters in Arizona during a spring training game. He wasn’t wearing a mask because he can’t breath in one, and the Brewers turned him away.
Post by: Lucifer on March 25, 2021, 09:00:33 AM
I live in a free state but in a liberal area, and after all of our covid requirements were dropped the DCP machine is pressuring businesses to keep them going, and succeeding.
The communist love them some virus control, and like I said last year, they've opened pandora's box and we will have a hard time getting rid of this idiocy.
Post by: Lucifer on March 25, 2021, 10:38:36 AM
Quote
Vaccinated fans will soon have their own sections at Miami Heat games.
The Heat announced plans Tuesday to open two sections in their lower bowl only for fully vaccinated fans starting with an April 1 game against Golden State. They are the first NBA team to reveal such a plan, though other clubs are believed to be working on similar measures.
Masks will still be required, even for the vaccinated fans, but social distancing rules will be slightly relaxed in those areas.
Post by: Lucifer on March 25, 2021, 10:48:13 AM
Quote
Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas., was quick to dismiss a reporter's request that he wear a mask during a Senate presser on Wednesday.
Cruz stepped up to the microphones, but was stopped before he could speak by the unidentified reporter asking, "Would you mind putting on a mask for us?"
"Yeah, when I’m talking to the TV camera, I’m not going to wear a mask," Cruz responded. "All of us have been immunized, so..."
"It’d make us feel better," the reporter is heard replying.
Post by: Little Joe on March 25, 2021, 11:20:15 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cruz-rejects-reporter-request-he-wear-mask
Quote
"Yeah, when I’m talking to the TV camera, I’m not going to wear a mask," Cruz responded. "All of us have been immunized, so..."I have been accused here of "virtue signaling" for saying I got the vaccine. Was Cruz virtue signaling when he criticized the reporter for virtual signaling when he said he got the vaccine?
That aside, I applauded him for his rebuttal.
Post by: Lucifer on March 26, 2021, 12:07:19 AM
Scroll down to
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (CX-024414)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH (TOZINAMERAN)
COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S)
Post by: Rush on March 26, 2021, 02:54:11 AM
http://www.adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html#
Scroll down to
After hitting c
Post by: bflynn on March 26, 2021, 05:41:28 AM
http://www.adrreports.eu/en/search_subst.html#
Scroll down to
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE MODERNA (CX-024414)
COVID-19 MRNA VACCINE PFIZER-BIONTECH (TOZINAMERAN)
COVID-19 VACCINE ASTRAZENECA (CHADOX1 NCOV-19)
COVID-19 VACCINE JANSSEN (AD26.COV2.S)
Any particular area of concern?
Post by: Lucifer on March 26, 2021, 06:08:31 AM
After hitting c
Thanks. Interesting reading the data they've collected.
Post by: bflynn on March 26, 2021, 07:39:21 AM
Here's the Texas case count. On March 2, they lifted the mask mandate. The sky did not fall.
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=1892)
Post by: bflynn on March 26, 2021, 07:50:49 AM
Where I'm seeing this is covidactnow.org, looking at the individual state charts. In general every state has been in decline, but those along I-95 are seeing an upward turn in the past week or two.
Post by: Anthony on March 26, 2021, 09:08:50 AM
Yes I know I'm preaching to the choir.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 26, 2021, 09:20:40 AM
We can't keep cowering like little girls hiding under our beds for every virus that comes down the pike. This is NOT A PANDEMIC. Pandemics are where people are dying in the streets and there is a high mortality rate among even the young and healthy. ...
That's not the definition of "pandemic" (the number of people dying from a disease is not a factor in determining if there is a pandemic)
Post by: Username on March 26, 2021, 09:54:39 AM
That's not the definition of "pandemic" (the number of people dying from a disease is not a factor in determining if there is a pandemic)Correct: https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/89/7/11-088815/en/
Quote
A pandemic is defined as “an epidemic occurring worldwide, or over a very wide area, crossing international boundaries and usually affecting a large number of people”. The classical definition includes nothing about population immunity, virology or disease severity. By this definition, pandemics can be said to occur annually in each of the temperate southern and northern hemispheres, given that seasonal epidemics cross international boundaries and affect a large number of people.So there are pandemics annually. We just don't hear about them. And we don't panic about them. This is a pandemic like all the rest. But somehow we treat this one as "special" just to crash an economy and win an election.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 26, 2021, 10:05:41 AM
Post by: Username on March 26, 2021, 10:12:11 AM
I predict this pandemic will never end....We must wear masks and social distance and keep businesses closed until we reach a 0% infection rate. And after that so we never have another infection. Science says so. It's for the children!
Post by: Lucifer on March 26, 2021, 11:13:42 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on March 26, 2021, 01:18:15 PM
A little bit related to Texas, it looks like there is a new virus variant out there that seems to have started in the north east, roughly centered around New York City. The primary borders seem to be Pennsylvania-New Jersey and up to Massachusetts. I'm also seeing that it's spreading down the I-95 corridor, even some signs of it in Florida.
Where I'm seeing this is covidactnow.org, looking at the individual state charts. In general every state has been in decline, but those along I-95 are seeing an upward turn in the past week or two.
Alarm has been sounded by an immunologist, to the major governmental players, but disregarded, that mass vaccinations can create resistant variants. I would, however, not be surprised if lab-made variants are being released on purpose in New York and other population centers.
When normalcy threatens to return, it must be stopped.
Post by: Lucifer on March 30, 2021, 08:13:20 AM
Quote
An overwhelming majority of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese, the CDC said in a new study Monday.
Among 148,494 adults who received a Covid-19 diagnosis during an emergency department or inpatient visit at 238 U.S. hospitals from March to December, 71,491 were hospitalized. Of those who were admitted, 27.8% were overweight and 50.2% were obese, according to the CDC report. Overweight is defined as having a body mass index of 25 or more, while obesity is defined as having a BMI of 30 or more.
The agency found the risk for hospitalizations, ICU admissions and deaths was lowest among individuals with BMIs under 25. The risk of severe illness “sharply increased,” however, as BMIs rose, particularly among people 65 and older, the agency said.
Just over 42% of the U.S. population was considered obese in 2018, according to the agency’s most recent statistics.
CDC issues new guidelines for vaccinated Americans
It doesn’t take a lot of extra pounds to be considered overweight or obese. A 5-foot-10-inch man at 175 pounds and 5-foot-4-inch woman at 146 pounds would both be considered overweight with BMIs of just over 25, according to the CDC’s BMI calculator. A man and woman of the same heights would be considered obese at 210 pounds and 175 pounds, respectively.
“As clinicians develop care plans for COVID-19 patients, they should consider the risk for severe outcomes in patients with higher BMIs, especially for those with severe obesity,” the agency wrote.
The CDC added the findings highlight the clinical and public health implications of higher BMIs, including the promotion of Covid prevention strategies such as continued vaccine prioritization, masking and policies to ensure community access to nutrition and physical activities.
Obesity is a common and costly chronic disease in the U.S. Non-Hispanic Black adults have the highest prevalence of self-reported obesity in the U.S., followed by Hispanic adults and non-Hispanic white people, according to the CDC.
The CDC has previously noted that having obesity increases the risk of severe illness, including hospitalizations. Obesity is linked to impaired immune function and decreased lung capacity that can make ventilation more difficult, the agency has said.
The true cost of being obese in the US
The study had limitations, the CDC said. Risk estimates for severe Covid-19 were measured only among adults who received care at a hospital. Therefore, these estimates might differ from the risk among all adults with Covid, the CDC said. Additionally, only patients with reported height and weight information were included in the report.
The CDC obtained data from PHD-SR, a large, hospital-based database.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 30, 2021, 08:35:34 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 30, 2021, 08:38:37 AM
After what the new CDC Director said this weekend, I see Biden telling states they need new mask mandates. This is never going to fucking end.
If the DCP gets their way, it never will. They enjoy the power and the ability to trample individual rights.
Fortunately the free states are giving the Biden Administration the middle finger.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 30, 2021, 08:51:10 AM
think about it, an overwhelming majority of people are overweight or obese, so duh.
Post by: Number7 on March 30, 2021, 08:53:44 AM
"An overwhelming majority of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese, the CDC said in a new study Monday."
think about it, an overwhelming majority of people are overweight or obese, so duh.
In other news... Trump blamed for obesity problem in USA, Biden working tirelessly to overcome fatness, as well as whiteness, hard working-ness, and self reliance-ness... stairs are still a problem, however.
Post by: Lucifer on March 30, 2021, 03:16:25 PM
Quote
Oh, they hate him. They’ll hate him even more now. Dr. Marty Makary of Johns Hopkins has been one of the lone medical professionals trying to bring reason and logic to the COVID pandemic. He lobbed a grenade into the tent by declaring that we’ll have herd immunity by April. In fact, he said by the end of April, COVID won’t really be a big deal. this was heavily disputed by folks far less qualified, but the panic peddlers had to combat this somehow. It goes against their entire narrative of us living under the authoritarian yoke of the lab coats—who know nothing.
What Makary knows is that with the data we have now, “About 1 in 600 Americans has died of Covid-19, which translates to a population fatality rate of about 0.15%. The Covid-19 infection fatality rate is about 0.23%.” By that count, he estimates that two-thirds of the country already had the virus; the survival rate is 90+ percent by the way. With natural immunity, plus vaccinations soaring past 100 million by now, his estimate of herd immunity isn’t nuts. He said his colleagues didn’t necessarily think his projection was off but didn’t want to say anything to avoid impacting the vaccination rate. That’s precisely wrong. Medical professionals should proclaim good medical progress, especially during a pandemic. This prediction was made in late February when COVID cases had dropped 77 percent. Texas nixed its mask mandate. Three weeks later, cases are still dropping.
Makary also went after the expert class and their ‘follow the science’ narrative regarding the vaccine. They haven’t followed 'the science.' They’re more paralyzed by fear with their contradictory and utterly useless COVID protocols, especially when it comes to the vaccine. If you get vaccinated, you still have to remain in a state of panic. Oh, and keep wearing your mask because of…variants. The virus is going to mutate no matter what, but right now—these people should be telling us what we can do after we’ve acquired immunity through vaccination. He cites an unpublished Israeli study by the nation’s ministry of health that showed just one dose of the Pfizer vaccine renders the subject virtually “bulletproof” from COVID after four weeks.
So, his latest op-ed in The Wall Street Journal should bring more irritation to Fauci, Democrats, the liberal media, and the technocratic acolytes who want to keep us in a constant state of fear. Are you ready? Dr. Makary declares herd immunity is near, even if Fauci doesn’t want to acknowledge it. He circles past points he’s made in the past regarding natural immunity. It’s as if Fauci and his crew don’t get that A LOT of Americans already have natural immunity to COVID. Oh, and reinfection is rare. Does Makary think that everyone should get vaccinated? Sure, but he’s also living in the real world. Natural immunity cannot be discounted. If it is, then a massive scientific error is being made regarding calculation and its effects on public policy. Fauci’s vaccination-only path to herd immunity does lend itself to keep a lot of freedom-curbing COVID protocols in place. I don’t think that’s an accident, however (via WSJ)
Anthony Fauci has been saying that the country needs to vaccinate 70% to 85% of the population to reach herd immunity from Covid-19. But he inexplicably ignores natural immunity. If you account for previous infections, herd immunity is likely close at hand.
Data from the California Department of Public Health, released earlier this month, show that while only 8.7% of the state’s population has ever tested positive for Covid-19, at least 38.5% of the population has antibodies against the novel coronavirus. Those numbers are from Jan. 30 to Feb. 20. Adjusting for cases between now and then, and accounting for the amount of time it takes for the body to make antibodies, we can estimate that as many as half of Californians have natural immunity today.
The same report found that 45% of people in Los Angeles had Covid-19 antibodies. Again, the number can only be higher today. Between “half and two-thirds of our population has antibodies in it now,” due to Covid exposure or vaccination, Mayor Eric Garcetti said Sunday on “Face the Nation.” That would explain why cases in Los Angeles are down 95% in the past 11 weeks and the positivity rate among those tested is now 1.7%.
Undercounting or removing the many Americans with natural immunity from any tally of herd immunity is a scientific error of omission.
[…]
Many physicians believe that vaccinated immunity will prove more durable than natural immunity. I agree, and I think everyone should get vaccinated. But after a year of millions of Covid-19 cases in the U.S., it’s clear that reinfections are rare. Natural immunity is real and shouldn’t be ignored.
Dr. Fauci’s vaccination-only path to herd immunity has significantly influenced the national conversation. KNBC-TV in Los Angeles has a county-by-county vaccine tracker showing a bar graph of the percentage of Californians vaccinated, with the zone 70% to 85% labeled “herd immunity.” Currently, it’s at 26%. The false construct does create a greater urgency for everyone to get vaccinated. But it also creates false justification for continued excessive restrictions on freedom. And it raises the possibility that authorities are misallocating the limited vaccine supply by failing to direct it toward people without natural antibodies.
[…]
Some experts claim they don’t talk about natural immunity because we shouldn’t trust it. But a recent Public Health England study found that less than 1% of 6,614 healthcare workers who had Covid-19 developed a reinfection within five months—even though many of them work with Covid patients. Other experts believe natural immunity is powerful. “Natural immunity after Covid-19 infection is likely lifelong, extrapolating from data on other coronaviruses that cause severe illness, SARS and MERS,” says Monica Gandhi, an infectious-disease physician and professor at the University of California.
Dr. Fauci has said that we don’t have good data on natural immunity. That is largely because his own National Institutes of Health has done little to answer this and other important clinical questions.
So, these experts are doling out declarations without investigating every avenue of this virus that has a 90+ percent survivability rate? Yeah, sounds like government bureaucracy at its worst. But herd immunity is supposedly here. Let’s celebrate that, even if the COVID panic peddlers think we should forever be living under the yoke of the lab coats.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 30, 2021, 04:06:50 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm?s_cid=mm7013e3_w
(Yes, I swiped the url from a POA post)
Post by: Lucifer on March 31, 2021, 03:47:45 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on March 31, 2021, 04:43:37 PM
After what the new CDC Director said this weekend, I see Biden telling states they need new mask mandates. This is never going to fucking end.\
Hate to sound like Nostradamus, but I predicted this shit during the Super Bowl last year. Nothing was going to be the same.
Post by: Lucifer on April 01, 2021, 04:16:36 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on April 01, 2021, 04:44:26 AM
https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1376886035573956612
Makes perfect sense. Obese people's bodies just can't cope with the same amount of physical stress as a healthy fit person. Ask an obese person to walk 3 miles, and most couldn't do it. Five miles might kill them. IMHO, covid is asking people's bodies to walk five miles, that ones that can't don't make it.
Post by: Lucifer on April 01, 2021, 05:09:25 AM
Makes perfect sense. Obese people's bodies just can't cope with the same amount of physical stress as a healthy fit person. Ask an obese person to walk 3 miles, and most couldn't do it. Five miles might kill them. IMHO, covid is asking people's bodies to walk five miles, that ones that can't don't make it.
Quarantining healthy people makes absolutely no sense. Quarantine the sick or the most vulnerable but let the healthy get on with life.
The lockdowns, masking and social distancing are the biggest scams ever perpetuated (next to the 2020 election).
Post by: Mr Pou on April 01, 2021, 05:33:49 AM
Quarantining healthy people makes absolutely no sense. Quarantine the sick or the most vulnerable but let the healthy get on with life.
The lockdowns, masking and social distancing are the biggest scams ever perpetuated (next to the 2020 election).
100% agree. Let the individual person decide and act upon their own perceived risk level.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 01, 2021, 05:45:56 AM
I posted about it on the Purple Board in the COVID thread. The retired Ortho doc there questioned why she would have passed up an opportunity, compared it to gambling.
I posted a long response about our stance on COVID, mask, etc. He did not go beyond that and the conversation ended. He's actually a good guy, just got a bit aggressive with that one. Jim may have a different take on it.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 01, 2021, 05:46:30 AM
Everyone else, carry on.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 01, 2021, 05:49:47 AM
100% agree. Let the individual person decide and act upon their own perceived risk level.
kind of like the people who want to legalize all drugs.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 01, 2021, 05:51:01 AM
Went to Walgreens Tuesday night to pick up prescriptions for my wife. When she went to the counter the lady asked her if she wanted the vaccine. They had three people cancel or no show and they had found two others but still needed a third. My wife politely declined.
I posted about it on the Purple Board in the COVID thread. The retired Ortho doc there questioned why she would have passed up an opportunity, compared it to gambling.
I posted a long response about our stance on COVID, mask, etc. He did not go beyond that and the conversation ended. He's actually a good guy, just got a bit aggressive with that one. Jim may have a different take on it.
Our age group is coming up. My husband works for a medical diagnostic equipment maker and has been declared “essential,” so he qualifies for the vax now. Our problem is that we’ve decided not to get it, but our much loved but passionately liberal daughter, who has just become a resident MD, is extremely pro vax.
Post by: Lucifer on April 01, 2021, 06:02:15 AM
Imagine how differently it might have played out if the guideline had been to quarantine yourself if you’re obese, have underlying conditions that would compromise you, and/or are elderly.
Everyone else, carry on.
You mean, like the swine flu? Or all of the other viruses we've encountered over our lifetimes?
Post by: Lucifer on April 01, 2021, 06:03:51 AM
Our age group is coming up. My husband works for a medical diagnostic equipment maker and has been declared “essential,” so he qualifies for the vax now. Our problem is that we’ve decided not to get it, but our much loved but passionately liberal daughter, who has just become a resident MD, is extremely pro vax.
Just imagine by this time next year when all the vax problems begin showing up.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 01, 2021, 06:09:01 AM
Just imagine by this time next year when all the vax problems begin showing up.
I imagine so many people saying "I told you so"... and I'm not being snarky.
A (not) fun thought experiment is to consider how the government will react... what new restrictions will be imposed.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 01, 2021, 06:21:58 AM
Reader boards around town say “vaccinated or not, please mask up.”
So ... if vaccinating everyone doesn’t get us “back to normal,” and future strains will require more vax and continued masking, when the fuck does “normal” return?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 01, 2021, 06:28:09 AM
Well, there’s concern that the COVID variants arising are caused by mass vaccination ... one immunologist has sounded that warning but gone unheeded by officialdom. So hanging out with our vaccinated friends might be dangerous ... they could contract a variant and give it to us.
That just doesn't make any sense.
hmmmm. Other immunologists are saying that herd immunity suppresses the possibility of variants developing (fewer hosts means fewer opportunities for replication and therefore fewer mutations possible)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 01, 2021, 06:32:49 AM
That just doesn't make any sense.
hmmmm. Other immunologists are saying that herd immunity suppresses the possibility of variants developing (fewer hosts means fewer opportunities for replication and therefore fewer mutations possible)
But apparently vaccinations don’t create herd immunity. “We’re still learning” is the official load of codswallop.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 01, 2021, 06:43:47 AM
But apparently vaccinations don’t create herd immunity. “We’re still learning” is the official load of codswallop.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html
Isn't that counter to what Pope Tony and the subservient Ds have been saying from Day One?
Post by: Rush on April 01, 2021, 06:45:20 AM
Post by: nddons on April 01, 2021, 06:46:57 AM
Went to Walgreens Tuesday night to pick up prescriptions for my wife. When she went to the counter the lady asked her if she wanted the vaccine. They had three people cancel or no show and they had found two others but still needed a third. My wife politely declined.I’m waiting to see if the vaccine turns people into liberal fucktards before I get it.
I posted about it on the Purple Board in the COVID thread. The retired Ortho doc there questioned why she would have passed up an opportunity, compared it to gambling.
I posted a long response about our stance on COVID, mask, etc. He did not go beyond that and the conversation ended. He's actually a good guy, just got a bit aggressive with that one. Jim may have a different take on it.
Post by: Rush on April 01, 2021, 06:54:05 AM
So they let me in, I wore no mask. The two sales people and their two customers had masks on. They didn’t say anything to me about no mask but asked me to wait. After a while one of them came over to me and lowered her mask off her face, to talk to me about how long a wait it will be, so I thanked her and went out shopping for a while. I got the feeling she lowered her mask as a sign of agreement with me that masks were stupid, but that the corporation was mandating they do this nonsense.
When I returned later, two more customers were in the store, without masks. So the employees were not enforcing it. And I’m sure they don’t want to, because they get commission from sales, if they’d told me to put on a mask I’d have walked out and ordered my new phone directly from Apple and switched it over myself.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 01, 2021, 07:11:45 AM
But apparently vaccinations don’t create herd immunity. “We’re still learning” is the official load of codswallop.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html
in all fairness, "don't know" means don't know.
However, I'd be interested in learning which other vaccines, if any, make people more susceptible to variants and increase the probability that variants develop. I'd be interested in learning which vaccines fail to inhibit spread of the targeted virus.
So far, we don't have any evidence that vaccinated people are sources of spread or variants.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 01, 2021, 07:39:08 AM
in all fairness, "don't know" means don't know.
However, I'd be interested in learning which other vaccines, if any, make people more susceptible to variants and increase the probability that variants develop. I'd be interested in learning which vaccines fail to inhibit spread of the targeted virus.
So far, we don't have any evidence that vaccinated people are sources of spread or variants.
Which is reason enough to not take it.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 01, 2021, 08:00:02 AM
Which is reason enough to not take it.
um, no. quite the opposite.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 01, 2021, 08:00:45 AM
Which is reason enough to not take it.Yes, because the “don’t know” part of “official” guidance is approaching almost 100 percent, especially regarding future expectations. With weather warming, we’re seeing declines that may not be related to vaccines. Would you fly in a plane that had high failure rates in almost all its test flights even though they didn’t crash, but engineers couldn’t figure out why?
And look at Israel. Over 90 percent of their population is vaccinated and they’re on lockdown again.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 01, 2021, 09:15:15 AM
Went to Walgreens Tuesday night to pick up prescriptions for my wife. When she went to the counter the lady asked her if she wanted the vaccine. They had three people cancel or no show and they had found two others but still needed a third. My wife politely declined.
I posted about it on the Purple Board in the COVID thread. The retired Ortho doc there questioned why she would have passed up an opportunity, compared it to gambling.
I posted a long response about our stance on COVID, mask, etc. He did not go beyond that and the conversation ended. He's actually a good guy, just got a bit aggressive with that one. Jim may have a different take on it.
He stated months ago he’d take the vaccine and gave his reasons. I think he was simply trying to understand why you and your wife would decline, possibly because he came to a different choice and was curious if your choice was due to one of the reasons why a vaccination would be dangerous and best avoided (e.g. history of anaphylactic shocks or already had the disease.) As a third party I didn’t see it as aggressive and thought your response reasonable and to the point, but then I wasn’t the one being asked to justify a decision I made.
Post by: nddons on April 01, 2021, 11:05:29 AM
in all fairness, "don't know" means don't know.Quite honestly, given my lack of trust in the government, including the CDC, I can’t quite believe them if they said they don’t know.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 01, 2021, 11:55:17 AM
Quite honestly, given my lack of trust in the government, including the CDC, I can’t quite believe them if they said they don’t know.And here we are.
Post by: Little Joe on April 04, 2021, 01:46:30 PM
in all fairness, "don't know" means don't know.Never assume that what a politician or deep stater says is what he means.
"Don't know" might mean they are 99% sure, but if that answer doesn't fit their agenda, then they say they don't know instead of saying they are not 100% sure)
Whether the vaccine keeps me from spreading it or not, if it keeps me relatively protected, then THAT is good enough reason for me to get it.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 04, 2021, 02:52:11 PM
Never assume that what a politician or deep stater says is what he means.
"Don't know" might mean they are 99% sure, but if that answer doesn't fit their agenda, then they say they don't know instead of saying they are not 100% sure)
Whether the vaccine keeps me from spreading it or not, if it keeps me relatively protected, then THAT is good enough reason for me to get it.
yeah, I wasn't really referring to a politician flapping his yapper. I was thinking about legitimate honest researchers.
And I don't presume to tell anyone else why they should take the vaccine. I believe that it is a choice that belongs to the individual.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2021, 03:34:24 PM
https://apnews.com/article/world-news-travel-italy-rome-coronavirus-pandemic-1adf3d6ff48ed02921a3f76073329c21
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 04, 2021, 06:44:12 PM
Yea, try to convince me this is really about covid.
https://apnews.com/article/world-news-travel-italy-rome-coronavirus-pandemic-1adf3d6ff48ed02921a3f76073329c21
It never has been.
Post by: Anthony on April 04, 2021, 06:59:19 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 04, 2021, 07:10:31 PM
I think the potential long term risks of the vaccine far outweigh the short term, feel good government/corporate propaganda.What potential long term risks?
Post by: Anthony on April 05, 2021, 01:42:12 AM
What potential long term risks?
Well we don't know do we? Has it been fully tested and approved like other vaccines? No. Has it been around long enough to see? No.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 05, 2021, 05:03:38 AM
Well we don't know do we? Has it been fully tested and approved like other vaccines? No. Has it been around long enough to see? No.
I know. Every instinct I have screams not to get it. I just keep hoping officialdom will come up with reasons not to. Traces of my former trust in officialdom I guess.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 05, 2021, 05:17:24 AM
Well we don't know do we? Has it been fully tested and approved like other vaccines? No. Has it been around long enough to see? No.
Of course it hasn't been tested as long as other vaccines... there's a reason for the "E" in the EUA.
How long do you think it should be tested and why do you choose that particular length of time?
Post by: Little Joe on April 05, 2021, 05:26:44 AM
I think the potential long term risks of the vaccine far outweigh the short term, feel good government/corporate propaganda.Well, on that basis, I"m not stepping outside my house any more because the potential risks are too great.
On the other hand, most accidents occur inside the home. So I'm going outside right now.
Oh wait! I think I'll just stand in the doorway for a while.
Post by: bflynn on April 05, 2021, 05:53:06 AM
And look at Israel. Over 90 percent of their population is vaccinated and they’re on lockdown again.
I'm not sure where you're getting that, but it's completely wrong.
Israel has vaccinated just over 50% of their population. They're not on lockdown, but some businesses are only open to people who have the vaccine, have recovered or have a rapid test immediately prior to entry. The number of new cases is at the lowest since last summer and they're actually talking about lifting mask mandates next week.
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2021, 06:29:10 AM
Post by: Steingar on April 05, 2021, 07:08:12 AM
Post by: Username on April 05, 2021, 07:25:24 AM
They've vaccinated. a hundred million people but it hasn't been tested enough for you guys. Whatever.What are the long-term side effects of the vaccine? Why aren't you concerned about the horrible birth defects that will start showing up a year after being vaccinated?
Post by: Anthony on April 05, 2021, 07:28:49 AM
Well, on that basis, I"m not stepping outside my house any more because the potential risks are too great.
On the other hand, most accidents occur inside the home. So I'm going outside right now.
Oh wait! I think I'll just stand in the doorway for a while.
Well bless your heart. ;D
Post by: Anthony on April 05, 2021, 07:32:30 AM
Of course it hasn't been tested as long as other vaccines... there's a reason for the "E" in the EUA.
How long do you think it should be tested and why do you choose that particular length of time?
It should be tested as much and for how long others are tested. There is no reason to rush this and put people at more risk.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 05, 2021, 08:02:55 AM
It should be tested as much and for how long others are tested. There is no reason to rush this and put people at more risk.
but why is that the correct length of time?
Post by: Steingar on April 05, 2021, 08:53:41 AM
What are the long-term side effects of the vaccine? Why aren't you concerned about the horrible birth defects that will start showing up a year after being vaccinated?
Because the mechanism of the vaccine doesn't really indicate any long term consequences. The mRNA vaccines won't stick around more than a few days, the gene therapy vaccines about as long. If there is nothing to cause long-term effects there shouldn't be any. Moreover, the damn things have been in use for months and there haven't been any documented.
On the other hadn't COVID definitely can cause long term effects, including but not limited to respiratory complications, brain fog, tremors, and lots of others up to an including death.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 05, 2021, 09:03:53 AM
Because the mechanism of the vaccine doesn't really indicate any long term consequences. The mRNA vaccines won't stick around more than a few days, the gene therapy vaccines about as long. If there is nothing to cause long-term effects there shouldn't be any. Moreover, the damn things have been in use for months and there haven't been any documented.
On the other hadn't COVID definitely can cause long term effects, including but not limited to respiratory complications, brain fog, tumors, and lots of others up to an including death.
Tumors? That's a new non-specific symptom. What else ya got? How can liberals tell that they have "brain fog" from a disease vs their normal state?
Just be a good little sheep and line up for the government jab that's supposed to prevent you from catching cold, or most likely you'll never know you even had it. I can see mass vaccinations for something that is imminently fatal or grossly debilitating for life that affects a large percentage of the population, but this is not it.
I've never been so disgusted with the lack of manliness in this country. Coercing people into getting the shot so they will be "permitted" unfettered access to life activities and venues for a 99.9% survival rate bug is despicable, and is about CONTROL, not a disease
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2021, 10:09:28 AM
Because the mechanism of the vaccine doesn't really indicate any long term consequences. The mRNA vaccines won't stick around more than a few days, the gene therapy vaccines about as long. If there is nothing to cause long-term effects there shouldn't be any. Moreover, the damn things have been in use for months and there haven't been any documented.
On the other hadn't COVID definitely can cause long term effects, including but not limited to respiratory complications, brain fog, tumors, and lots of others up to an including death.
We need a lot more facts about these long term effects. Their rate, and a lot of study indicating causation vs correlation. Just because someone starts to have brain fog just after getting covid, doesn't necessarily mean covid gave it to him, but I'm preaching to the choir, you know that, just like just because someone dies just after getting the vaccine doesn't necessarily mean the vaccine killed him.
Right now I don't see that we have any kind of grasp on the statistics of these long term effects. And of course they need to be related to whether a person had an underlying condition. Respiratory complications caused by covid in someone with pre-existing lung disease is very different from a healthy person ending up with respiratory problems. All I've seen about this, so far, is anecdotal.
All of this the same applies to the vaccine too of course. Right now we don't know enough about either.
Post by: nddons on April 05, 2021, 10:24:36 AM
I know. Every instinct I have screams not to get it. I just keep hoping officialdom will come up with reasons not to. Traces of my former trust in officialdom I guess.I’m exactly where you are. I figure there’s no immediate rush. One of my benchmarks will be AirVenture. Will I feel better if I get it?
A lot of people I know and respect have taken it, including my AME and a number of professional colleagues.
Post by: Steingar on April 05, 2021, 10:27:45 AM
Typo since fixed. Was supposed to be "tremors". Sorry.
Tumors? That's a new non-specific symptom.
Post by: Steingar on April 05, 2021, 10:35:09 AM
We need a lot more facts about these long term effects. Their rate, and a lot of study indicating causation vs correlation. Just because someone starts to have brain fog just after getting covid, doesn't necessarily mean covid gave it to him, but I'm preaching to the choir, you know that, just like just because someone dies just after getting the vaccine doesn't necessarily mean the vaccine killed him.
Right now I don't see that we have any kind of grasp on the statistics of these long term effects. And of course they need to be related to whether a person had an underlying condition. Respiratory complications caused by covid in someone with pre-existing lung disease is very different from a healthy person ending up with respiratory problems. All I've seen about this, so far, is anecdotal.
All of this the same applies to the vaccine too of course. Right now we don't know enough about either.
COVID seems especially good at causing "long haul" disease. This is a possible mechanism of other sickness, I recall hearing years ago about "yuppy flu" that presented similarly. The yuppy flu was blown off, but the long term rates of COVID affliction have folks taking the yuppy flu a bit more seriously. According to https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-tragedy-of-the-post-covid-long-haulers-2020101521173 (https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-tragedy-of-the-post-covid-long-haulers-2020101521173) the rate is upwards of 50-80% of COVID victims experiencing some sort of long haul symptoms for months afterwards, according to https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210219/a-third-of-covid-survivors-have-long-haul-symptoms#1 (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210219/a-third-of-covid-survivors-have-long-haul-symptoms#1) it's a third. Either way it's a lot. I think the rate of vaccine complications is around 0.003%, for comparison.
Post by: Anthony on April 05, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
but why is that the correct length of time?
Because the protocols and procedures have been in use for many decades and proven largely effective over a long period of time.
Post by: Number7 on April 05, 2021, 12:06:56 PM
They've vaccinated. a hundred million people but it hasn't been tested enough for you guys. Whatever.
Are you DRUNK, ON DRUGS, or just STUPID?
For a supposed academic you portray a level of ignorance and blindness that belies your every claim.
Post by: Steingar on April 05, 2021, 12:49:42 PM
Are you DRUNK, ON DRUGS, or just STUPID?So how many people do you think have been vaccinated against COVID?
For a supposed academic you portray a level of ignorance and blindness that belies your every claim.
Post by: Number7 on April 05, 2021, 12:59:23 PM
So how many people do you think have been vaccinated against COVID?
You ARE stupid.
The RUSH to FORCE people to SUBMIT to the liberal bullshit agenda has brought us to the place where the supposed vaccine has ZERO long term side effect data.
As a progressive (faux) academic I don't expect you to understand why that is a problem.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 05, 2021, 01:07:40 PM
Typo since fixed. Was supposed to be "tremors". Sorry.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2021, 02:11:42 PM
COVID seems especially good at causing "long haul" disease. This is a possible mechanism of other sickness, I recall hearing years ago about "yuppy flu" that presented similarly. The yuppy flu was blown off, but the long term rates of COVID affliction have folks taking the yuppy flu a bit more seriously. According to https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-tragedy-of-the-post-covid-long-haulers-2020101521173 (https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-tragedy-of-the-post-covid-long-haulers-2020101521173) the rate is upwards of 50-80% of COVID victims experiencing some sort of long haul symptoms for months afterwards, according to https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210219/a-third-of-covid-survivors-have-long-haul-symptoms#1 (https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210219/a-third-of-covid-survivors-have-long-haul-symptoms#1) it's a third. Either way it's a lot. I think the rate of vaccine complications is around 0.003%, for comparison.
Glad you brought that up! (Yuppie Flu) I was just reading about a researcher that believes it was the polio vaccine that caused the endemic "yuppie flu" (CFS/ME).
Quote
British infectious disease specialist Elizabeth Dowsett plotted the cases of CFS/ME she and CFS/ME pioneer MeIvin Ramsay had seen in their practice since 1919 against reported cases of polio in England. When the Salk and then Sabin vaccines brought the yearly number of British polio cases below 25 in the early 1960s, the number of CFS/ME patients took off. In Ramsay's and Dowsett's practice alone, between 1960 and 1980 the number of CFS/ME patients increased by fifty times. Between 1980 and 1990, the number of patients with CFS/ME increased yet again by a factor of fifty! Throughout the world 32 CFS/ME outbreaks were recorded after the polio vaccine was distributed. So something other than the poliovirus was causing CFS/ME.
What is that something? It appears that the vaccine that eliminated polio had an unintended consequence. The elimination of the three types of poliovirus left a vacuum that had to be filled. Just as a flock of dominant and aggressive blue jays blocks less aggressive robins from roosting in your back yard, poliovirus are the blue jays of enteroviruses, the viruses that live and grow in your intestines. When poliovirus "blue jays" disappeared from your intestines thanks to the vaccine, other enteroviruses "robins" took over the poliovirus' old intestinal breeding ground and filled the vacuum. With the polioviruses gone other enteroviruses were able to multiply, spill into the bloodstream and enter the spinal cord and brain.
In 1990 Dr. Dowsett looked for antibodies to non-polio enterovirus in her CFS/ME patients. Fifty percent had antibodies to the first non-polio enterovirus ever discovered -- the Coxsackie B virus -- named after Coxsackie, New York, the town where it was found to have paralyzed children in 1948.
Yes, paralyzed. It is not just the polioviruses that enter and kill neurons in the spinal cord and brain stem. Neuron damage, weakness, paralysis and symptoms of brain fatigue caused by non-polio enteroviruses can be so similar as to be indistinguishable from the actions of polioviruses. One Coxsackie virus, named A7, produces paralytic symptoms so similar to polio that it has been named poliovirus "Type IV."
Other enteroviruses that cause damage and symptoms similar to the polioviruses include all the other Coxsackie viruses, the ECHO viruses (which in 1956 were the first viruses associated with a CFS/ME outbreak) and the recently discovered Enteroviruses 71. One piece of evidence directly links an enterovirus to CFS/ME and damage to the neurons that activate the brain. Sadly, the evidence comes from a CFS/ME patient who took her own life. Traces of Coxsackie B virus -- the same virus for which Dowsett found antibodies in her CFS/ME patients -- was found in both the hypothalamus and brain stem, the very heart of the brain activating system which our and others' research has found is damage in polio survivors with fatigue and in patients with CFS/ME.
So the "disguised form" that polio may be talking is not a disguise at all but replacement by another enterovirus. And the oral polio vaccine is "causing" chronic fatigue syndrome by making way for other enterovirus to grow in the intestines and be able to do damage like that done by the poliovirus, except that the damage is most frequently found in brain activating system neurons and causes fatigue, not in the spinal cord causing paralysis.
http://www.whale.to/a/bruno.html
Post by: Lucifer on April 06, 2021, 05:16:00 AM
What happened to the Armageddon predicted by the Branch Covidians and Pope Tony????
https://thepostmillennial.com/texas-coronavirus-cases-plummet-after-mask-mandate-lifted
Post by: Username on April 06, 2021, 06:51:16 AM
Because the mechanism of the vaccine doesn't really indicate any long term consequences. The mRNA vaccines won't stick around more than a few days, the gene therapy vaccines about as long. If there is nothing to cause long-term effects there shouldn't be any. Moreover, the damn things have been in use for months and there haven't been any documented."doesn't really indicate". "shoudn't". Are you willing to bet your life on something that "shouldn't" be deadly? What are the chances of death or horrible side effects of something that "should" be safe? 80%? 90%? COVID itself is 99.9% safe.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 06, 2021, 07:04:23 AM
https://noqreport.com/2021/04/04/number-of-covid-vaccine-injuries-reported-to-vaers-surpasses-50000-cdc-data-show/
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 06, 2021, 10:26:15 AM
A few seconds of screen tapping takes you right to plenty of info. VAERS links in the article.
https://noqreport.com/2021/04/04/number-of-covid-vaccine-injuries-reported-to-vaers-surpasses-50000-cdc-data-show/
Let me try some back-of-the-envelope estimates:
According to that article 136 million people have received at least one dose of a vaccine. About 1% of the population dies each year. Vaccination has been going on for about 3 months. Assuming linear increase from 0 to 100M over 3 months, on average the number of vaccinated people who would be expected to die regardless would be (3/12)*(136M/2)*0.01 ~= 170,000 deaths. The VAERS report contains about 2250 deaths at the time of the linked article. Since those can be reported by anyone the data is unverified. An unknown number of those reported deaths may not be caused by the vaccine. (I.e. Did they die “of the vaccine” or die “with the vaccine?”)
But assuming all those deaths were caused by the vaccine, then 2250/136M ~= 0.0017% death rate. Or inversely: a survival rate of 99.9983%. Higher math is not my strong point, but I think 99.9983 is greater than 99.9. So in the worse case the death and carnage of vaccination is lower than the death and carnage of getting Covid-19.
Post by: Lucifer on April 06, 2021, 10:39:36 AM
Let me try some back-of-the-envelope estimates:
According to that article 136 million people have received at least one dose of a vaccine. About 1% of the population dies each year. Vaccination has been going on for about 3 months. Assuming linear increase from 0 to 100M over 3 months, on average the number of vaccinated people who would be expected to die regardless would be (3/12)*(136M/2)*0.01 ~= 170,000 deaths. The VAERS report contains about 2250 deaths at the time of the linked article. Since those can be reported by anyone the data is unverified. An unknown number of those reported deaths may not be caused by the vaccine. (I.e. Did they die “of the vaccine” or die “with the vaccine?”)
But assuming all those deaths were caused by the vaccine, then 2250/136M ~= 0.0017% death rate. Or inversely: a survival rate of 99.9983%. Higher math is not my strong point, but I think 99.9983 is greater than 99.9. So in the worse case the death and carnage of vaccination is lower than the death and carnage of getting Covid-19.
We have to treat this as all vaccine deaths, just as the media and government treats all covid deaths. If someone is obese, has heart problems and a multitude of other problems, gets the vaccine then dies a week or two later, we must term it a vaccine death.
Right?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 06, 2021, 10:59:53 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 06, 2021, 12:02:38 PM
One caution is to consider how long after the vaccination that a death or serious condition presents.
But in covid, time doesn't matter, right?
I know of someone who had covid, then died about 6 weeks later. From covid? No, not really. He had a bunch of problems which led to his heart failure, but the cause of death? Covid.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 06, 2021, 12:12:35 PM
But in covid, time doesn't matter, right?
I know of someone who had covid, then died about 6 weeks later. From covid? No, not really. He had a bunch of problems which led to his heart failure, but the cause of death? Covid.
I understand (and sorry for your loss)
But we shouldn't use the same flawed math, same flawed methodology. At least one side of this discussion should be straight with the data.
Post by: Lucifer on April 06, 2021, 12:18:57 PM
I understand (and sorry for your loss)
But we shouldn't use the same flawed math, same flawed methodology. At least one side of this discussion should be straight with the data.
But the side being straight with the data is being declared "anti vaxers", "Neanderthals", "anti science", "science deniers" and of course "racist" and "white supremist" (have to throw those two in).
Since the Branch Covidians have to use the methodology and flawed math to fear monger, let's use their same flawed math and methodology on vaccines.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 06, 2021, 12:30:11 PM
One caution is to consider how long after the vaccination that a death or serious condition presents.
Looks like under optimistic schedules they look for adverse effects for 3 to 4 months for phase 2 trials and 6 to 9 months for phase 3 which may then get conditional/experimental approval with up to 2 years of follow-up to assess long-term risks before full approval. Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline)
But elsewhere I recall seeing (sorry, don’t recall the source) a researcher say that virtually all serious conditions caused by a vaccine manifest within two months after vaccination.
I’m not a fan of the FDA (it either needs to be eliminated or its purpose heavily modified.) Lots of promising biological technology is needlessly delayed and increased in cost by FDA bureaucracy.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 06, 2021, 12:40:32 PM
Looks like under optimistic schedules they look for adverse effects for 3 to 4 months for phase 2 trials and 6 to 9 months for phase 3 which may then get conditional/experimental approval with up to 2 years of follow-up to assess long-term risks before full approval. Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline)
But elsewhere I recall seeing (sorry, don’t recall the source) a researcher say that virtually all serious conditions caused by a vaccine manifest within two months after vaccination.
...
I would expect that the longer the time period the harder it is to show cause/effect (except in the special case where the effect is limited to people who were vaccinated)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 07, 2021, 06:49:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPbxOeYAC7s
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 07, 2021, 08:31:53 AM
That is the first "karen" encounter I've had in over a year here in Georgia.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 07, 2021, 08:32:26 AM
https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20 (https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20)
Post by: Anthony on April 07, 2021, 08:51:27 AM
This is what we've done to kids.....
https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20 (https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20)
Wow. These Commies love a good meltdown, don't they?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 07, 2021, 08:59:40 AM
This is what we've done to kids.....
https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20 (https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20)
"media could not be played"
so, any summery available?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 07, 2021, 09:07:54 AM
"media could not be played"Young girl in an elevator has a complete breakdown when a delivery lady wants to get on the same elevator.
so, any summery available?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 07, 2021, 09:11:43 AM
Young girl in an elevator has a complete breakdown when a delivery lady wants to get on the same elevator.
<sigh> <deep deep deeeeeep sigh>
if not staged, I wonder how being exposed on social media like that will effect her in the long run...
Post by: nddons on April 07, 2021, 09:23:55 AM
But in covid, time doesn't matter, right?Milwaukee recently recorded their first child’s death due to Covid. I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact that the kid had Leukemia, and had recently had a bone marrow transplant.
I know of someone who had covid, then died about 6 weeks later. From covid? No, not really. He had a bunch of problems which led to his heart failure, but the cause of death? Covid.
Madness.
https://www.tmj4.com/news/coronavirus/first-pediatric-death-caused-by-covid-19-reported-in-milwaukee?_amp=true
Post by: nddons on April 07, 2021, 12:25:14 PM
But the side being straight with the data is being declared "anti vaxers", "Neanderthals", "anti science", "science deniers" and of course "racist" and "white supremist" (have to throw those two in).Even Biden in his fake news conference this week all but said “Trumpsters” when describing people who won’t get the shot because we are anti-government. They was in on of his “well, I shouldn’t say...” crutches.
Since the Branch Covidians have to use the methodology and flawed math to fear monger, let's use their same flawed math and methodology on vaccines.
Post by: nddons on April 07, 2021, 12:30:40 PM
Looks like under optimistic schedules they look for adverse effects for 3 to 4 months for phase 2 trials and 6 to 9 months for phase 3 which may then get conditional/experimental approval with up to 2 years of follow-up to assess long-term risks before full approval. Source: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/vaccines/timeline)As a CPA I had to deal with the FDA about a decade ago on the short-lived qualified therapeutic discovery credit. What a fucked up bureaucracy. Not as bad as the IRS but it’s it seems to be trying to follow suit.
But elsewhere I recall seeing (sorry, don’t recall the source) a researcher say that virtually all serious conditions caused by a vaccine manifest within two months after vaccination.
I’m not a fan of the FDA (it either needs to be eliminated or its purpose heavily modified.) Lots of promising biological technology is needlessly delayed and increased in cost by FDA bureaucracy.
Way too many people who can’t make a fucking decision. The org chart is way too vertical.
Post by: nddons on April 07, 2021, 12:40:36 PM
This is what we've done to kids.....How depressing and sad. Here in my office in Wauwatosa Wisconsin the Common Council extended the mask mandate until 6/7/21. One of my staff guys lives in Wauwatosa and said 100% of his liberal neighbors - people in their 20s to 40s, most with young kids, cheered at the extension.
https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20 (https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20)
My staff guy, who is not liberal, now has to continue to wear his mask in his cube for another 60 days.
Our two other southeast Wisconsin offices are in towns without mask mandates, so our cube dwellers in those offices don’t have to wear their masks.
Madness.
Post by: nddons on April 07, 2021, 12:51:28 PM
Wow. These Commies love a good meltdown, don't they?They prey on fear and anxiety and panic. They want government to be the sole solution for such weak people.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 07, 2021, 01:01:13 PM
This is what we've done to kids.....
https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20 (https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20https://twitter.com/CharlieJThomas/status/1379177088503197701?s=20)
The really scary thing is that people like that YAM vote
Post by: Little Joe on April 07, 2021, 01:58:06 PM
Wow. These Commies love a good meltdown, don't they?First, I think it was staged.
Second, I think it should be a crime to post videos taken in portrait mode. It offends my senses!
Go ahead Anthony. Bless my Heart!
Post by: Anthony on April 07, 2021, 02:32:47 PM
First, I think it was staged.
Second, I think it should be a crime to post videos taken in portrait mode. It offends my senses!
Go ahead Anthony. Bless my Heart!
At our ages all our hearts need to be blessed. And since I've been dating a 20 year old, mine most of all. Lol!
I'm going to Hell. ::)
Post by: Rush on April 07, 2021, 02:48:06 PM
At our ages all our hearts need to be blessed. And since I've been dating a 20 year old, mine most of all. Lol!
I'm going to Hell. ::)
Anthony, really? I don’t know whether to say tsk tsk or congratulate you.
Or is it wishful thinking?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 07, 2021, 02:53:32 PM
Post by: Anthony on April 07, 2021, 03:17:20 PM
Anthony, really? I don’t know whether to say tsk tsk or congratulate you.
Or is it wishful thinking?
We're just good friends. Nothing serious.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 07, 2021, 03:56:42 PM
*must* *resist* *responding* *to* *the* *straight* *line*
Post by: Rush on April 07, 2021, 04:38:35 PM
We're just good friends. Nothing serious.
But if you’re going to Hell it must be friends with benefits. Tell me to bug off if I’m getting too all up in your business. ;D
Post by: Anthony on April 07, 2021, 04:42:03 PM
But if you’re going to Hell it must be friends with benefits. Tell me to bug off if I’m getting too all up in your business. ;D
Only my hair dresser knows for sure. ;D
Post by: Lucifer on April 08, 2021, 03:37:41 AM
Post by: Rush on April 08, 2021, 07:12:27 AM
Absolutely worth your time. I promise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPbxOeYAC7s
Yes this is good.
Post by: jb1842 on April 08, 2021, 07:15:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/EJshwYt.jpg)
I'm not sure what's worse; people who think like this, or people who applaud people who think like this. Is there a really a difference?
Post by: Anthony on April 08, 2021, 07:27:30 AM
I'm not sure what's worse; people who think like this, or people who applaud people who think like this. Is there a really a difference?
It is scary isn't it. I guess our Educational system has done its job of Leftist indoctrination, where Big Government gets to tell you what to do constantly. Certainly a change from eh 60's and 70's when you were taught to question authority, and question Big Government and Big Corporations.
Post by: Rush on April 08, 2021, 08:15:45 AM
It is scary isn't it. I guess our Educational system has done its job of Leftist indoctrination, where Big Government gets to tell you what to do constantly. Certainly a change from eh 60's and 70's when you were taught to question authority, and question Big Government and Big Corporations.
Your garden variety hippie in the 60s and 70s didn’t become this. They were not authoritarian. But the Marxist idealists were always authoritarian. They were the ones who transformed schools and universities into leftist indoctrination centers and paved the way for the young radicalized left we have today like AOC, who are nothing like the peace and love left of the 60s, but more akin to Castro, Stalin, etc.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 08, 2021, 08:16:12 AM
Yes this is good.I put it on Facebook and they flagged it as false information.
Post by: Rush on April 08, 2021, 08:26:25 AM
I put it on Facebook and they flagged it as false information.
Can you believe it’s come to this? The robot algorithms of Mark Zuckerberg controlling what we think. It’s more dystopian than even Orwell could imagine.
Post by: bflynn on April 08, 2021, 09:06:43 AM
I put it on Facebook and they flagged it as false information.
It's because they're science deniers.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 08, 2021, 10:12:37 AM
Now, I wonder what they are holding over these corporations that are so quick to climb on the woke band wagon. If I had to guess, ti can be traced to the tax code. Notice that the Democrats have introduced zip, zero, nada, zilch legislation to remove any corporate tax breaks. I don't think that is something that has just been overlooked. Not a day goes by that I don't see some leftist weenie post a meme on FB about greedy corporations not paying taxes, yet they never seem to understand that they own the Government currently and Pelosi or Schumer could drop a bill tomorrow t fix it all.
Post by: nddons on April 08, 2021, 10:23:10 AM
For years the Democrats have looked for ways they could censor citizens. With their close association with Twitter, Facebook, Google, etc they have now found a legal way to do it. Wouldn't you love to see what the com channels are between Democrats and the big tech folks. I'd bet there are direct lines of communications between the upper echelon of the party and those companies. One email or message and it is done, no link to the government.I’m at a loss to understand how corporations are willing to alienate 50% of their customer base, except for these two reasons:
Now, I wonder what they are holding over these corporations that are so quick to climb on the woke band wagon. If I had to guess, ti can be traced to the tax code. Notice that the Democrats have introduced zip, zero, nada, zilch legislation to remove any corporate tax breaks. I don't think that is something that has just been overlooked. Not a day goes by that I don't see some leftist weenie post a meme on FB about greedy corporations not paying taxes, yet they never seem to understand that they own the Government currently and Pelosi or Schumer could drop a bill tomorrow t fix it all.
1). They fear democrats far more than Republicans, as they know democrats have a known history of using the tax code, other statutes, and regulations to PUNISH. Republicans don’t do that, but democrats do, every day. Every claim that
Wealthy people and corporations don’t “pay their fair share” is a prelude to punishing those groups, not finding revenue sources to fund governments.
2). They presume, often correctly, that their customer base is stupid and easily distracted and forgetful, so a short-term reduction in Coke sales will be back to normal in 6 months.
Post by: Mr Pou on April 08, 2021, 10:52:41 AM
I’m at a loss to understand how corporations are willing to alienate 50% of their customer base, except for these two reasons:
1). They fear democrats far more than Republicans, as they know democrats have a known history of using the tax code, other statutes, and regulations to PUNISH. Republicans don’t do that, but democrats do, every day. Every claim that
Wealthy people and corporations don’t “pay their fair share” is a prelude to punishing those groups, not finding revenue sources to fund governments.
2). They presume, often correctly, that their customer base is stupid and easily distracted and forgetful, so a short-term reduction in Coke sales will be back to normal in 6 months.
No coke products, unfortunately I have nearly 100kmi on DAL, I need to use them up and then stop using Delta. I also need to kill off my Amex Skymiles card.
Post by: Number7 on April 08, 2021, 12:37:56 PM
Told the waitress at a restaurant yesterday that I was picking up the tab for the whole group as long no Coke product appears On my check.
Fuck ‘me and their pussy management, just like the commie POA mods.
Post by: Anthony on April 08, 2021, 02:01:02 PM
I’m at a loss to understand how corporations are willing to alienate 50% of their customer base, except for these two reasons:
1). They fear democrats far more than Republicans, as they know democrats have a known history of using the tax code, other statutes, and regulations to PUNISH. Republicans don’t do that, but democrats do, every day. Every claim that
Wealthy people and corporations don’t “pay their fair share” is a prelude to punishing those groups, not finding revenue sources to fund governments.
2). They presume, often correctly, that their customer base is stupid and easily distracted and forgetful, so a short-term reduction in Coke sales will be back to normal in 6 months.
They think the younger Wokesters are the Future, so they're willing to alienate older conservatives, libertarians and the other Non Woke. Which goes against their next quarterly profits mentality.
We have to convince them this is a failed strategy. Wokesters now control upper management and board rooms. Look how every car company are pouring collective Trillions into new and retrofitted Electric Vehicles which currently represent at most a whopping 3% of the market. It's also partially government coercion for them to play ball OUR ELSE.
Post by: nddons on April 08, 2021, 03:26:20 PM
https://www.theblaze.com/news/senseless-irrational-cowardice-bulls-t-hs-track-coach-refuses-to-make-his-athletes-wear-masks-and-says-he-got-fired-for-it
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 08, 2021, 04:10:48 PM
We need a LOT more of this:
https://www.theblaze.com/news/senseless-irrational-cowardice-bulls-t-hs-track-coach-refuses-to-make-his-athletes-wear-masks-and-says-he-got-fired-for-it
Bravo. “Covering bureaucratic asses.” Bloody accurate.
Quote
”Show me the data on infections, hospitalizations, and deaths for 14-18 year old athletes…" Keyes also wrote in his letter. "I keep hearing that we're following the science. There is no science behind these restrictions. No, this is not about protecting the athletes, or even their families, it's all about covering bureaucratic asses. I will not try to convince these kids that what's being done to them is right, fair, thoughtful, or sensible."
Post by: Lucifer on April 09, 2021, 04:59:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ex0sjUz.png)
Post by: Lucifer on April 10, 2021, 12:18:51 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 11, 2021, 05:41:17 AM
Quote
Unless you have been hiding in a cave somewhere for the past year you will be aware that America’s experts and its most power-hungry governors are obsessed with the idea that all Americans must wear masks when out in public. You will also understand the supposed rationale for this. COVID can be spread not only by those who have symptoms, who could otherwise be readily identified and quarantined but also by those who have no symptoms. This is the most insidious thing about the disease perhaps. There is no way to tell who has it and who is contagious. You must protect yourself at all times. This was the narrative behind all of the lockdowns…
Is that true?
Certainly, the thought police think so. Anyone who has dared to suggest otherwise since the onset of the pandemic has been branded a conspiracy theorist and condemned for heresy. In fact, at various points, we have been told that over half of all COVID cases are the result of asymptomatic transmission.
How do we know?
Dr. Anthony Fauci, self-appointed Pandemic Czar, recently announced that scientists were currently trying to answer some very important questions about COVID. Can they become infected without showing any symptoms, and if so, can they transmit the coronavirus to someone else? Per Fauci, “This is a question of extreme importance,” he said. “This will help inform science-based decisions about mask use and about social distancing post-vaccination.”
I’m sorry. What? We have been walking around wearing masks for a year because of the danger posed by asymptomatic transmission, and now Fauci hopes to know whether or not that is even a thing by August?
Yes, you guessed it. We have been lied to again. The fact is at best no one really knows what threat asymptomatic spread poses if any. More to the point, if COVID-19 spreads asymptomatically then that would be a considerable surprise because no such transmission has been seen in any previous RNA respiratory-virus pandemic.
Here are some things we do know.
In May and June of last year, the Chinese government conducted an extensive study of the residents of Wuhan where the pandemic first appeared. In the course of this study, they conducted medical screening of ten million people. This included a city-wide SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening program and also contact tracing. There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases.
Ten million people at the epicenter of the pandemic were studied by a Communist regime with the power and authority to test them all and scrutinize their lives as closely as possible, and not a single case of asymptomatic transmission was identified.
Somehow that fact, that a study of ten million people found no evidence of asymptomatic transmission got lost in the shuffle, but increasingly physicians and scientists around the world are beginning to point out the obvious. We have no actual reliable evidence the disease spreads asymptomatically.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 11, 2021, 06:01:46 AM
Post by: Rush on April 11, 2021, 07:14:33 AM
Do you really believe test results published by the mainland China government?
Now the COVIDians will suddenly decide China is lying.
The article does point out one positive about a communist authoritarian regime. They can force everyone to be study test subjects.
Post by: nddons on April 11, 2021, 01:36:10 PM
Nearly 40 Percent of Marines Declining to Get COVID-19 Vaccine: Official
https://link.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/nearly-40-percent-of-marines-declining-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-official_3771057.html
Download our app to read more at https://ept.ms/DownloadApp
Post by: Little Joe on April 11, 2021, 01:42:44 PM
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/02/03/nearly-two-thirds-of-florida-nursing-home-staffers-decline-coronavirus-vaccine-in-first-round/
And so was this:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-nursing-home-workers-20210410-gp7m5p52gjgxppvfgwmhvqoucu-story.html
Quote
Many long-term care staffers refused the vaccine. Now they have more infections than residents.
I admit I didn't fully read either article. But I am wondering the ages of those staffers and whether their infections were discovered because of symptoms, or by random testing.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 11, 2021, 06:05:37 PM
I thought this was surprising.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2021/02/03/nearly-two-thirds-of-florida-nursing-home-staffers-decline-coronavirus-vaccine-in-first-round/
And so was this:
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronavirus/fl-ne-nursing-home-workers-20210410-gp7m5p52gjgxppvfgwmhvqoucu-story.html
I admit I didn't fully read either article. But I am wondering the ages of those staffers and whether their infections were discovered because of symptoms, or by random testing.
Why force staff to vaccinate if it's "ineffective" at passing an infection on to someone else?
Post by: Little Joe on April 11, 2021, 07:05:53 PM
Why force staff to vaccinate if it's "ineffective" at passing an infection on to someone else?I agree. All I said was that I was surprised so many people working in nursing homes refused. I have an image of 90% of those people being liberals, and liberals tend to believe their leaders.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 11, 2021, 09:16:23 PM
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2021, 02:40:25 AM
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2021, 03:03:26 AM
I despise 95% of the Media. Pure lies yet they wield tremendous power over many.
I don’t know what’s going on in Michigan but cases here have plummeted. I guess they took one hospital or city that had a 30% uptick and created a “crisis” out of it. A 30% increase of something low is a non issue but I notice they don’t ever speak in absolute terms. The worn out nurses didn’t say a damn thing they don’t always complain about in a normal course. That piece was a whole lot of manufactured nothing. And if it is actually something, the media has lost all credibility and cried wolf too much, to the point I’m not going to believe anything they say. They can report the sky is blue and I’ll sooner believe that’s a lie.
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2021, 03:55:57 AM
I don’t know what’s going on in Michigan but cases here have plummeted. I guess they took one hospital or city that had a 30% uptick and created a “crisis” out of it. A 30% increase of something low is a non issue but I notice they don’t ever speak in absolute terms. The worn out nurses didn’t say a damn thing they don’t always complain about in a normal course. That piece was a whole lot of manufactured nothing. And if it is actually something, the media has lost all credibility and cried wolf too much, to the point I’m not going to believe anything they say. They can report the sky is blue and I’ll sooner believe that’s a lie.
Well Michigan has a Communist Dictator for a Governor. Watch, she'll be the next Democrat Presidential candidate after ultra lightweight Harris is used up.
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2021, 04:38:02 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2021, 04:56:13 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 12, 2021, 05:35:46 AM
Why force staff to vaccinate if it's "ineffective" at passing an infection on to someone else?
my understanding is that vaccinations decrease the opportunity for viruses to replicate. Suppress replication enough and the virus will "die" off.
Having said that, I don't believe we should force anyone to receive medical treatment...
btw - I'd love to see research showing how much vaccinations help in slowing the spread of infections.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 12, 2021, 05:43:18 AM
Keep stoking the fear-
and deaths continue to decrease.
In Maskachusetts, the 7-day average of deaths (by report date) is 20% of the number being reported following the holidays.
From the vaccine trials, deaths and hospitalizations are significantly reduced for people that were vaccinated even if they got infected.
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2021, 06:01:19 AM
my understanding is that vaccinations decrease the opportunity for viruses to replicate. Suppress replication enough and the virus will "die" off.
Having said that, I don't believe we should force anyone to receive medical treatment...
btw - I'd love to see research showing how much vaccinations help in slowing the spread of infections.
I have NO problem with people getting vaccinated as long as there are NO Long Term Negative Health Effects. Again, as long as it doesn't hurt you, then I can totally understand.
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2021, 06:03:46 AM
and deaths continue to decrease.
In Maskachusetts, the 7-day average of deaths (by report date) is 20% of the number being reported following the holidays.
From the vaccine trials, deaths and hospitalizations are significantly reduced for people that were vaccinated even if they got infected.
I'd like to see an objective analysis of Deaths vs Age and Level of other significant illnesses. My prediction would be the number of deaths correlate highly with advanced age and other illnesses. Combine them and you have the Perfect Storm.
Post by: bflynn on April 12, 2021, 06:34:27 AM
I don’t know what’s going on in Michigan but cases here have plummeted. I guess they took one hospital or city that had a 30% uptick and created a “crisis” out of it. A 30% increase of something low is a non issue but I notice they don’t ever speak in absolute terms. The worn out nurses didn’t say a damn thing they don’t always complain about in a normal course. That piece was a whole lot of manufactured nothing. And if it is actually something, the media has lost all credibility and cried wolf too much, to the point I’m not going to believe anything they say. They can report the sky is blue and I’ll sooner believe that’s a lie.
Michigan appears to have been the entry point of a new contagious variant, B.1.1.7 from the UK. It's spread through New England too and appears to be in Florida. There are hints of it along the I-95 corridor, but not as bad.
I'm thinking there's also something to the notion that masks have a downside. If a mask gets a dose of the virus, long term wearing it seems like you continuously breathe it in, it just becomes a way of keeping you exposed. However, if you have no mask and walk through something, you get all of it but then it's over. Which one delivers fewer viri into the body? There's no science on it that I'm aware of.
Post by: Username on April 12, 2021, 06:47:34 AM
I'm thinking there's also something to the notion that masks have a downside. If a mask gets a dose of the virus, long term wearing it seems like you continuously breathe it in, it just becomes a way of keeping you exposed. However, if you have no mask and walk through something, you get all of it but then it's over. Which one delivers fewer viri into the body? There's no science on it that I'm aware of.That's why you need three masks. The first one to get the virus, the second one to filter it out, and a third one for when the second mask gets full.
Post by: bflynn on April 12, 2021, 07:08:03 AM
That's why you need three masks. The first one to get the virus, the second one to filter it out, and a third one for when the second mask gets full.
Soooo unwoke. What makes you think 3 is enough?
Post by: Username on April 12, 2021, 07:17:33 AM
Soooo unwoke. What makes you think 3 is enough?You're right. There needs to be some sort of barrier to prevent any virus from entering the body. I think that a mask with plastic wrap that tightly seals up the nose and mouth will do it. Nothing in. Nothing out. Virus proof!
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 12, 2021, 07:31:21 AM
You're right. There needs to be some sort of barrier to prevent any virus from entering the body. I think that a mask with plastic wrap that tightly seals up the nose and mouth will do it. Nothing in. Nothing out. Virus proof!Bloody hell brilliant. I’m testing that out right now and it’s
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2021, 07:40:04 AM
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nydailynews.com%2Fresizer%2FZ992AEGhRBwB204G9ofhWXbM6y0%3D%2F1200x0%2Ftop%2Farc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-tronc.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2F265T2LQQUZKO265LH4ZMGWP5OQ.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 12, 2021, 07:44:57 AM
So when do you think the "covid burka" idea will catch on?
If only people like pelosi, hillary, and the squad would wear them...
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 12, 2021, 07:47:09 AM
I'd like to see an objective analysis of Deaths vs Age and Level of other significant illnesses. My prediction would be the number of deaths correlate highly with advanced age and other illnesses. Combine them and you have the Perfect Storm.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html
and portion of table 1 from the above page
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2021, 07:59:35 AM
You're right. There needs to be some sort of barrier to prevent any virus from entering the body. I think that a mask with plastic wrap that tightly seals up the nose and mouth will do it. Nothing in. Nothing out. Virus proof!
You know that's a thought. If the Progressives, Democrats, Communists, Fascists that are behind all this are dead, they can not contract the Covid Virus. BRILLIANT!
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2021, 08:10:02 AM
If only people like pelosi, hillary, and the squad would wear them...
What?????
No, see, Pope Tony would give them (the elite) a special dispensation that because they are uber important people, then they can conduct life without such coverings.
Pope Tony would declare these for the peasant class.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 12, 2021, 08:24:44 AM
What?????
No, see, Pope Tony would give them (the elite) a special dispensation that because they are uber important people, then they can conduct life without such coverings.
Pope Tony would declare these for the peasant class.
but consider how such coverings would beautify America
Post by: jb1842 on April 12, 2021, 08:32:24 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 12, 2021, 08:58:21 AM
My father in law is in pretty bad shape medically; he's 84, has MS and leukemia. Been in the hospital since Saturday (and covid negative as of now), and being moved to an inpatient rehab facility in a few days. Not sure if he will make it out, unfortunately. And honestly, he's ready to go. I'm seriously wondering if he will get a positive covid test and be labelled a covid death. That will piss him off from the grave.Sorry to hear this news :'(
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2021, 08:59:21 AM
Sorry to hear this news :'(
Ditto.
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2021, 09:01:34 AM
Post by: jb1842 on April 12, 2021, 09:10:08 AM
Post by: nddons on April 12, 2021, 09:53:32 AM
Michigan appears to have been the entry point of a new contagious variant, B.1.1.7 from the UK. It's spread through New England too and appears to be in Florida. There are hints of it along the I-95 corridor, but not as bad.I’ve been saying that the whole time. I think Joe and I got into a spirited debate about it.
I'm thinking there's also something to the notion that masks have a downside. If a mask gets a dose of the virus, long term wearing it seems like you continuously breathe it in, it just becomes a way of keeping you exposed. However, if you have no mask and walk through something, you get all of it but then it's over. Which one delivers fewer viri into the body? There's no science on it that I'm aware of.
If the mask is designed not to contain the virus molecule, but the water droplets that carry the virus, then the inverse should be true as well. If you’re creating a moist field in front of your mouth from breathing, sweat, etc, aren’t you creating the same moisture field that could act like a wick and hold onto the virus?
Even if there was science to tell us that, the vaunted dr. Fauci would see it is quashed.
Post by: nddons on April 12, 2021, 09:55:45 AM
You're right. There needs to be some sort of barrier to prevent any virus from entering the body. I think that a mask with plastic wrap that tightly seals up the nose and mouth will do it. Nothing in. Nothing out. Virus proof!Brilliant! In fact I have a pool of 537 test subjects that we could use to test this hypothesis. Conveniently, they are all centrally located in a single urban area.
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2021, 10:02:01 AM
So when do you think the "covid burka" idea will catch on?
I did that already.
(https://th.bing.com/th/id/R6430b93cfb550a28166fa53c72708e9c?rik=Y%2fg4sTfFxgoPew&riu=http%3a%2f%2fimages.halloweencostumes.com%2fproducts%2f32833%2f1-1%2fchild-spooky-ghost-costume.jpg&ehk=A2nRr3ygn499e4YX57fJC9iXujC4FBiWNx%2fWloJWCbs%3d&risl=&pid=ImgRaw)
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2021, 10:29:58 AM
I’ve been saying that the whole time. I think Joe and I got into a spirited debate about it.
If the mask is designed not to contain the virus molecule, but the water droplets that carry the virus, then the inverse should be true as well. If you’re creating a moist field in front of your mouth from breathing, sweat, etc, aren’t you creating the same moisture field that could act like a wick and hold onto the virus?
Even if there was science to tell us that, the vaunted dr. Fauci would see it is quashed.
That's what I've thought all along, and experienced. I cannot STAND the stale humid air I'm rebreathing in the mask. I'm so done with it, I refuse to wear the mask anymore. Trouble is I have to fly in late May. I'm gonna lose my shit.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 12, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
... it's really just delaying the inevitable.
So is everything.
Post by: nddons on April 13, 2021, 02:14:03 PM
I'm gonna lose my shit.That’s an even WORSE problem to have on a plane.
Post by: Lucifer on April 14, 2021, 09:33:37 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 14, 2021, 09:59:13 AM
https://justthenews.com/government/congress/relatives-able-edit-death-certificates-loved-ones-fema-funeral-reimbursement
what could go wrong?
Post by: nddons on April 14, 2021, 10:51:47 AM
https://justthenews.com/government/congress/relatives-able-edit-death-certificates-loved-ones-fema-funeral-reimbursementThat fucking bitch can’t spend OUR money fast enough, can she?
Post by: Rush on April 14, 2021, 11:08:41 AM
That fucking bitch can’t spend OUR money fast enough, can she?
What?? Why the hell are we (taxpayers) paying anybody’s funeral expenses no matter what the cause of death??
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 14, 2021, 11:16:45 AM
What?? Why the hell are we (taxpayers) paying anybody’s funeral expenses no matter what the cause of death??
Because COVID!
Post by: Little Joe on April 14, 2021, 01:01:02 PM
But I violently disagree with reimbursing thousands of dollars for funerals. Bring back boot hill if people can't afford their own family burial. Or if the family can't pay, then cremate them and send the ashes to a suitable place; like a land fill. Maybe that would get the relatives to cough up a few hundred bucks for better disposal/dispersal. WHO needs a $9k burial? I intend to be cremated, and I told Leslie to put my ashes in the compost pile. (she only uses it for shrubs and landscaping; not vegetables).
Post by: Username on April 14, 2021, 01:16:32 PM
Post by: nddons on April 14, 2021, 01:17:09 PM
I don't have a problem with amending the death certificate in the case where they didn't even know at the time what the disease was that killed them.Unless bodies have been piling up unbeknownst to everyone, these people been dead and already buried for a year now. I’m sure any funeral costs have been paid for. AOC wants them to get a windfall.
But I violently disagree with reimbursing thousands of dollars for funerals. Bring back boot hill if people can't afford their own family burial. Or if the family can't pay, then cremate them and send the ashes to a suitable place; like a land fill. Maybe that would get the relatives to cough up a few hundred bucks for better disposal/dispersal. WHO needs a $9k burial? I intend to be cremated, and I told Leslie to put my ashes in the compost pile. (she only uses it for shrubs and landscaping; not vegetables).
Post by: Lucifer on April 14, 2021, 03:14:03 PM
Unless bodies have been piling up unbeknownst to everyone, these people been dead and already buried for a year now. I’m sure any funeral costs have been paid for. AOC wants them to get a windfall.
How many do you think that got their love one a cheap funeral or cremation are now gonna run get that death certificate changed so they can cash in?
Ya know, sorta like giving the family of a low life common criminal $27million for his drug related death.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 15, 2021, 06:23:06 AM
Post by: Number7 on April 15, 2021, 07:28:05 AM
Is she going to compensate family members who couldn't hold their dying loved one's hand to say goodbye or even hold funerals because deadly cold-causing "disease"?
That bill should be paid by the commie chineseand lying ass fauci.
Post by: Lucifer on April 15, 2021, 12:24:51 PM
https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1382738615990620163
Post by: Rush on April 15, 2021, 12:31:26 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 15, 2021, 12:36:29 PM
One man alone - Fauci - is responsible for worldwide horrific economic and social consequences, a man unelected to anything.
An arrogant little fuck. And he doesn't want his spotlight, and power, to end.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 16, 2021, 05:49:26 AM
An arrogant little fuck. And he doesn't want his spotlight, and power, to end.
Why is he double-masking and promoting same for everyone if he was among the first to receive the "vaccine"?
Post by: Lucifer on April 16, 2021, 06:45:55 AM
Why is he double-masking and promoting same for everyone if he was among the first to receive the "vaccine"?
He's an idiot with a diploma, nothing more. He graduated medical school and has never practiced medicine.
Goes with the old joke "What do you call someone who graduates medical school dead last in their class?"
"Doctor"
Post by: Number7 on April 16, 2021, 08:02:31 AM
He's an idiot with a diploma, nothing more. He graduated medical school and has never practiced medicine.
Goes with the old joke "What do you call someone who graduates medical school dead last in their class?"
"Doctor"
steingar?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 18, 2021, 05:23:20 AM
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3gy_CLXho)
I think everyone can enjoy this, well maybe not Michael.
Post by: texasag93 on April 18, 2021, 06:08:16 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 18, 2021, 06:21:18 AM
I was waiting for him to rip his mask off and reveal himself as Glen Beck, but it really was Bill Maher.
Keep an eye on things. Many traditional democrats are getting leery of the democrat communist that have seized power and seized their party. They have to walk a fine line in order not to be censored or cancelled, hence why Maher sprinkled some of their talking points into his monologue.
Post by: Little Joe on April 18, 2021, 06:52:12 AM
That was excellent.(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp3gy_CLXho)
I think everyone can enjoy this, well maybe not Michael.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 18, 2021, 09:48:17 AM
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-oregon-6f7f919d27644d02c330da5a8648af95
"PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — As states around the country lift COVID-19 restrictions, Oregon is poised to go the opposite direction — and many residents are fuming about it.
A top health official is considering indefinitely extending rules requiring masks and social distancing in all businesses in the state. "
"Michael Wood, administrator of the state’s department of Occupational Safety and Health, said the move is necessary to address a technicality in state law that requires a “permanent” rule to keep current restrictions from expiring."
Post by: Lucifer on April 18, 2021, 09:54:51 AM
And BTW, “social distancing” is one of the stupidest phrases ever invented.
Post by: Username on April 18, 2021, 12:42:11 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 18, 2021, 12:51:28 PM
The new expanded rules apply to everything except riots?
"mostly peaceful protests"
use the correct phrase...
Post by: Little Joe on April 18, 2021, 01:22:21 PM
"mostly peaceful protests"Depends on who is doing the protesting.
use the correct phrase...
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 18, 2021, 01:34:25 PM
Depends on who is doing the protesting.
good point
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 18, 2021, 02:58:17 PM
And BTW, “social distancing” is one of the stupidest phrases ever invented.
"Military Intelligence"
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 18, 2021, 03:16:08 PM
Post by: Little Joe on April 18, 2021, 03:32:58 PM
abundance of caution"Abundance of caution" has replaced "The new normal" as my most hated phrase.,
Post by: Anthony on April 18, 2021, 06:02:57 PM
"Abundance of caution" has replaced "The new normal" as my most hated phrase.,
Or Social Distancing. I am tired of Marxist power trips being the new normal. ;D
Post by: Lucifer on April 19, 2021, 04:44:35 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 19, 2021, 06:19:27 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 20, 2021, 05:28:20 AM
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YK0JR_lFy88Zu3rcC3L5NvL_Xr3ib6zY/view
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2021, 05:34:32 AM
113 pages of vaccine related deaths, documented.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YK0JR_lFy88Zu3rcC3L5NvL_Xr3ib6zY/view
They're unimportant, just collateral damage by the Branch Covidians and Pope Tony.
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2021, 05:56:48 AM
113 pages of vaccine related deaths, documented.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YK0JR_lFy88Zu3rcC3L5NvL_Xr3ib6zY/view
To be devil’s advocate, that tells us nothing really. People die anyway and correlation doesn’t necessarily equal causation.
For example the woman who died of an aneurysm. I think more often than not, in burst aneurysm cases, there was an undetected aneurysm even from birth that can blow at any random time. Sometimes they are associated with high blood pressure, sometimes genetic disorders, sometimes autoimmune disorders. In any case, to determine if the death is vaccine related, you’d have to find a direct causative link, or a statistically significant increase in deaths after vaccination compared to the usual rate.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m highly suspicious of these vaccines. But I want to get at the truth whatever it is. We do know for certain that the vaccine can directly cause death via anaphylaxis, but the mechanism is known (allergy to one of the ingredients). But other deaths where we don’t understand the mechanism could just be coincidence, the further in time from the shot, the less likely death was vaccine related, however the human mind will create the association, more so if it is closely related in time, whether or not there really is a causative link. This is why they danced for rain: somebody danced once and it rained the next day. Viola: cause and effect!
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2021, 06:03:31 AM
Post by: Username on April 20, 2021, 07:57:55 AM
Post by: bflynn on April 20, 2021, 08:03:22 AM
Some modify your DNA...
Sigh. None of the vaccines modify your DNA and I think you know that. It if was sarcasm, it missed.
The two mRNA vaccines work by interacting with your own cells to cause them to temporarily produce fake "virus" proteins that have the SARs-CoV-2 spike. Those spike proteins trigger your immune system. The mRNA cells themselves will die off in a few months, but we know immunity lasts longer...we don't know how long because those who got the first doses are still immune.
What I find really interesting is how some people have short term covid reactions without having a virus present. It's almost like your own immune system is responsible for all the damage, not the virus itself.
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2021, 08:30:52 AM
Sigh. None of the vaccines modify your DNA and I think you know that. It if was sarcasm, it missed.
The two mRNA vaccines work by interacting with your own cells to cause them to temporarily produce fake "virus" proteins that have the SARs-CoV-2 spike. Those spike proteins trigger your immune system. The mRNA cells themselves will die off in a few months, but we know immunity lasts longer...we don't know how long because those who got the first doses are still immune.
What I find really interesting is how some people have short term covid reactions without having a virus present. It's almost like your own immune system is responsible for all the damage, not the virus itself.
Excuse me, interact with your DNA, which tells it to do things it would otherwise not do. To me that's modification. Are you really sure it will be temporary? Really sure? ::)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 20, 2021, 08:47:55 AM
Excuse me, interact with your DNA, which tells it to do things it would otherwise not do. To me that's modification. Are you really sure it will be temporary? Really sure? ::)
Interaction is most definitely not modification. After the mRNA is introduced, your DNA will be exactly the same as it was before the vaccination.
I, for one, am sure that the mRNA will breakdown in the body (if I understand correctly, in a matter of days, not months). I'm hoping that the body's immune will remember the antibodies for quite some time. A permanent immune response would be preferrable to a transitory response.
But, I'm not a virologist, nor an epidemiologist, I don't play either on TV, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 20, 2021, 09:12:40 AM
Excuse me, interact with your DNA, which tells it to do things it would otherwise not do. To me that's modification. Are you really sure it will be temporary? Really sure? ::)
Um, even if one posits the possibility that the vaccine mRNA codons can become part of a cell’s DNA, then you must also admit that the actual virus RNA codons can also become part of the DNA since the vaccine and virus contain identical RNA codon sequences.
If the codons for the spike protein do somehow manage to become part of the cell DNA, the cell will then make that protein and it appears in the cell wall. The immune system will then detect and destroy that cell - same as it would if the spike protein RNA codons never made it into the DNA.
So the concern is oddly shallow. (Except for vaccinated people becoming zombies - keep the chain saw and shotgun handy!)
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2021, 09:14:24 AM
Interaction is most definitely not modification. After the mRNA is introduced, your DNA will be exactly the same as it was before the vaccination.
I, for one, am sure that the mRNA will breakdown in the body (if I understand correctly, in a matter of days, not months). I'm hoping that the body's immune will remember the antibodies for quite some time. A permanent immune response would be preferrable to a transitory response.
But, I'm not a virologist, nor an epidemiologist, I don't play either on TV, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
My point is, they really don't know because it hasn't been long term tested, just hastily brought to market due to politics. The one they were giving out at work (J&J) with a $100 incentive bonus was suspended recently by the FDA. Glad ya'll are making yourselves feel better by telling yourself it doesn't modify DNA, just "changes it temporarily". What else might it do we don't know about?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 20, 2021, 09:21:25 AM
My point is, they really don't know because it hasn't been long term tested, just hastily brought to market due to politics. The one they were giving out at work (J&J) with a $100 incentive bonus was suspended recently by the FDA. Glad ya'll are making yourselves feel better by telling yourself it doesn't modify DNA, just "changes it temporarily". What else might it do we don't know about?
mRNA technology has been around longer than a year.
And who claims "changes it temporarily"?
but, hey, your body, your choice. If you don't want the vaccine, don't take it.
But don't try to claim the reasons you've stated actually have any science behind them.
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2021, 09:31:38 AM
mRNA technology has been around longer than a year.
And who claims "changes it temporarily"?
but, hey, your body, your choice. If you don't want the vaccine, don't take it.
But don't try to claim the reasons you've stated actually have any science behind them.
Yes, it changes it temporarily, so yes modified temporarily, or so you hope. Is the science settled? Believe the science? Science will win? Feel better now? WTF has happened to all of you?
Next, you'll tell me we need more gun control laws because of all the "gun violence" and "Mass shootings".
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2021, 09:38:34 AM
mRNA:
https://www.compoundchem.com/2020/12/02/rna-vaccines/
DNA viral vector:
https://www.compoundchem.com/2020/12/30/viral-vector-vaccines/
Post by: Mr Pou on April 20, 2021, 10:10:14 AM
Summary of how they work:
mRNA:
https://www.compoundchem.com/2020/12/02/rna-vaccines/
DNA viral vector:
https://www.compoundchem.com/2020/12/30/viral-vector-vaccines/
https://m.xkcd.com/2425/
Post by: bflynn on April 20, 2021, 10:41:24 AM
Excuse me, interact with your DNA, which tells it to do things it would otherwise not do. To me that's modification. Are you really sure it will be temporary? Really sure? ::)
The vaccine doesn't interact with DNA. It never touches DNA. That's the core of your misunderstanding. It doesn't carry the enzymes that would bind to DNA, so DNA cannot be affected.
What mRNA does do is interact with the ribosome in the cell. The job of the ribosome IS to make protein molecules, all the mRNA does is activate it to produce a molecule with the covid spike.
Don't trust me. Go out and read it for yourself.
Post by: Mr Pou on April 20, 2021, 10:43:49 AM
The vaccine doesn't interact with DNA. It never touches DNA. That's the core of your misunderstanding. It doesn't carry the enzymes that would bind to DNA, so DNA cannot be affected.
What mRNA does do is interact with the ribosome in the cell. The job of the ribosome IS to make protein molecules, all the mRNA does is activate it to produce a molecule with the covid spike.
Don't trust me. Go out and read it for yourself.
It was after learning this fact, as well as several discussions with trusted doctors ( including my brother, who is very right politically yet got the shot himself) led me to getting the Pfizer vaccine.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 20, 2021, 10:49:20 AM
PANIC!!!!
PANIC!!!!
PANIC!!!!
(don't pay any attention to the effectiveness of the vaccine wrt preventing serious symptoms never mind death)
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2021, 10:50:18 AM
It was after learning this fact, as well as several discussions with trusted doctors ( including my brother, who is very right politically yet got the shot himself) led me to getting the Pfizer vaccine.
I might end up getting it if I decide the risk of anaphylaxis is low because of what you said but also I started thinking of it this way:
Donald Trump worked hard to fast track these vaccines. He did it out of genuine concern for the people and it was largely because of him they are now available. So I feel like if I reject it, it’s like all his work went to waste.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 20, 2021, 11:20:13 AM
I might end up getting it if I decide the risk of anaphylaxis is low because of what you said but also I started thinking of it this way:
Donald Trump worked hard to fast track these vaccines. He did it out of genuine concern for the people and it was largely because of him they are now available. So I feel like if I reject it, it’s like all his work went to waste.
I'm pretty confident that President Trump wouldn't be upset if you decided for yourself if the benefits outweigh the risks.
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2021, 01:13:35 PM
The vaccine doesn't interact with DNA. It never touches DNA. That's the core of your misunderstanding. It doesn't carry the enzymes that would bind to DNA, so DNA cannot be affected.
What mRNA does do is interact with the ribosome in the cell. The job of the ribosome IS to make protein molecules, all the mRNA does is activate it to produce a molecule with the covid spike.
Don't trust me. Go out and read it for yourself.
I appreciate the info and will look into it, not that I don't believe you or the others. My pharmacist told me it interact and effects your DNA but she may be wrong or just not explaining it properly.
Apologize if I offended anyone. I'm just getting tired of the propaganda.
Post by: Little Joe on April 20, 2021, 02:16:45 PM
I appreciate the info and will look into it, not that I don't believe you or the others. My pharmacist told me it interact and effects your DNA but she may be wrong or just not explaining it properly.I suspect she was just dumbing down her answer for the specific audience. ;)
Apologize if I offended anyone. I'm just getting tired of the propaganda.
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2021, 04:09:25 PM
I suspect she was just dumbing down her answer for the specific audience. ;)
I was a Biology major undergrad and only became a corporate weenie after getting an MBA, so I do know some of the aspects of how DNA and the immune system works. I only got a B in Organic Chemistry though, so you may be right.
But, Bless Your Heart anyway, Old Man. ;)
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2021, 04:23:49 PM
I suspect she was just dumbing down her answer for the specific audience. ;)
Aren't you a veterinarian by trade?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 20, 2021, 05:50:03 PM
I was a Biology major undergrad
I thought you were pre-law.
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2021, 08:28:06 PM
I thought you were pre-law.
Pre law, Pre Med, its all the same.....
Minor in Primitive Cultures.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 20, 2021, 08:31:37 PM
Pre law, Pre Med, its all the same.....
Minor in Primitive Cultures.
Field work available in all three subjects in D.C.!
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 20, 2021, 08:57:35 PM
I appreciate the info and will look into it, not that I don't believe you or the others. My pharmacist told me it interact and effects your DNA but she may be wrong or just not explaining it properly.
Apologize if I offended anyone. I'm just getting tired of the propaganda.
There are retroviruses that do worm their way into your DNA, but SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t code for any reverse transcriptase proteins (which I believe are needed to perform that process) directly or indirectly. There was a study that explored the possibility of SARS-CoV-2 getting itself (or segments) into host DNA using existing reverse transcriptase codons already in human DNA (it’s presumably there from viral infections that happened eons ago.) They did find a way to do it and there is a pre-print here (and may be the origin of your pharmacist’s belief):
“SARS-CoV-2 RNA reverse-transcribed and integrated into the human genome”
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.12.422516v1 (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.12.422516v1)
A bunch of people were upset because they felt the study fed into anti-vaccination paranoia. There is a Disqus comment section at the end of the page where you can read demands that the paper be removed - and fortunately those who argue against censorship. It’s been there for months, so has survived the wanna-be censors.
It isn’t clear to me why the SARS-CoV-2 RNA or a vaccine mRNA could trigger the needed DNA insertion mechanism while most viruses are not able to perform that trick unless they code for the needed proteins themselves.
Post by: Mr Pou on April 21, 2021, 04:33:45 AM
I might end up getting it if I decide the risk of anaphylaxis is low because of what you said but also I started thinking of it this way:
Donald Trump worked hard to fast track these vaccines. He did it out of genuine concern for the people and it was largely because of him they are now available. So I feel like if I reject it, it’s like all his work went to waste.
My rationale is this:
1.) After talking to several doctors, I've personally (YMMV) come to the conclusion that the vaccine is safe[1], and at worst does no harm. I also have a condition that would be a risk factor in most people, but due to my fairly strict exercise routine, may not be so much of a risk for me. But, since it can only help, why not. Also, while rare, some people have long term effects from a covid infection, and I'm not particularly keen to have the potential for such long term problems.
2.) As you said, DT did a yeoman's job getting this through quickly.
3.) I will likely be doing some international travel towards the end of the summer, and it may be likely that visited countries will want proof of inoculation.
4.) I got my shots through the county health department, i.e., free of charge. Well, not exactly, we all know our taxes are paying for this evolution, but hey, why not actually get something for those taxes paid?
OK, you all can now flame me for being a very right oriented person yet got the blue shot.
[1] After studying the vaccines, Pfizer seems to have the least side effects and the most upside, so I cherry picked appointments to get Pfizer.
Post by: Mr Pou on April 21, 2021, 04:37:21 AM
I'm just getting tired of the propaganda.
As we all are.
Since the inauguration, I've gone cold turkey on pretty much all news sources, and I'm more at peace and happier than I've been in a long time. Really, when you think about it, watching/reading the news just pisses you off, and there is really not much (other than vote, and that's now fucked) one can do to change it.
Pilot spin is the only place I'm getting some info, and at least here it's most likely to be the straight dope and unspun.
Post by: Rush on April 21, 2021, 04:42:10 AM
As we all are.
Since the inauguration, I've gone cold turkey on pretty much all news sources, and I'm more at peace and happier than I've been in a long time. Really, when you think about it, watching/reading the news just pisses you off, and there is really not much (other than vote, and that's now fucked) one can do to change it.
Pilot spin is the only place I'm getting some info, and at least here it's most likely to be the straight dope and unspun.
I can’t handle most news sources anymore at all. It’s SO skewed, as bad as the worst Soviet or Red Chinese propaganda. I can hardly believe it’s come to this in the USA.
Post by: Rush on April 21, 2021, 04:45:09 AM
[1] After studying the vaccines, Pfizer seems to have the least side effects and the most upside, so I cherry picked appointments to get Pfizer.
If I get it, it will definitely be the Pfizer which I don’t think is available here right now but maybe will be at some point. And I’ll probably only get one shot. My sister worked in the pharmacy industry for years and has lots of contacts. She has been hearing that the Pfizer has the least side effects.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 21, 2021, 05:03:32 AM
My rationale is this:I, for one, do not begrudge you doing what you feel is best for you. Everyone should be free to do just that, without comment or derision from anyone.
1.) After talking to several doctors, I've personally (YMMV) come to the conclusion that the vaccine is safe[1], and at worst does no harm. I also have a condition that would be a risk factor in most people, but due to my fairly strict exercise routine, may not be so much of a risk for me. But, since it can only help, why not. Also, while rare, some people have long term effects from a covid infection, and I'm not particularly keen to have the potential for such long term problems.
2.) As you said, DT did a yeoman's job getting this through quickly.
3.) I will likely be doing some international travel towards the end of the summer, and it may be likely that visited countries will want proof of inoculation.
4.) I got my shots through the county health department, i.e., free of charge. Well, not exactly, we all know our taxes are paying for this evolution, but hey, why not actually get something for those taxes paid?
OK, you all can now flame me for being a very right oriented person yet got the blue shot.
[1] After studying the vaccines, Pfizer seems to have the least side effects and the most upside, so I cherry picked appointments to get Pfizer.
My wife has chosen to get the vaccine, she will get her first shot on Friday at out local Publix pharmacy. I am choosing, at this time, to not get it and continue to use the same techniques that have gotten me this far avoiding the virus while living a very normal life, shopping, eating out and going to the movies, etc.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 21, 2021, 05:21:58 AM
113 pages of vaccine related deaths, documented.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YK0JR_lFy88Zu3rcC3L5NvL_Xr3ib6zY/view
If any of you looked at this yesterday, know that Google now has taken it down.
I only posted it because it was an actual compilation of social media posts (side by side; healthy young or youngish person boasts of getting the jab, then dies), and articles from local newspapers mourning death of beloved young or youngish person.
But Google can’t allow that.
I get that the deaths could be coincidence. But the censorship is damnable.
Post by: Lucifer on April 21, 2021, 05:23:57 AM
If any of you looked at this yesterday, know that Google now has taken it down.
I only posted it because it was an actual compilation of social media posts (side by side; healthy young or youngish person boasts of getting the jab, then dies), and articles from local newspapers mourning death of beloved young or youngish person.
But the CCP controlled Google can’t allow that.
FTFY ;)
Post by: Anthony on April 21, 2021, 07:03:04 AM
My rationale is this:
1.) After talking to several doctors, I've personally (YMMV) come to the conclusion that the vaccine is safe[1], and at worst does no harm. I also have a condition that would be a risk factor in most people, but due to my fairly strict exercise routine, may not be so much of a risk for me. But, since it can only help, why not. Also, while rare, some people have long term effects from a covid infection, and I'm not particularly keen to have the potential for such long term problems.
2.) As you said, DT did a yeoman's job getting this through quickly.
3.) I will likely be doing some international travel towards the end of the summer, and it may be likely that visited countries will want proof of inoculation.
4.) I got my shots through the county health department, i.e., free of charge. Well, not exactly, we all know our taxes are paying for this evolution, but hey, why not actually get something for those taxes paid?
OK, you all can now flame me for being a very right oriented person yet got the blue shot.
[1] After studying the vaccines, Pfizer seems to have the least side effects and the most upside, so I cherry picked appointments to get Pfizer.
Nothing wrong with getting the vaccine. Good luck, we're all counting on you. BTW, we're on instruments.
Post by: Username on April 21, 2021, 07:19:04 AM
If I get it, it will definitely be the Pfizer which I don’t think is available here right now but maybe will be at some point. And I’ll probably only get one shot. My sister worked in the pharmacy industry for years and has lots of contacts. She has been hearing that the Pfizer has the least side effects.Friends and sisters got the Moderna and some really unpleasant side effects. Worst was very swollen lymph nodes. Friend was told to not get a mammogram for six weeks as there have been many false positives for breast cancer due to that. I got the Pfizer and while I felt flu-y for a couple of days, I was fine by the third day. And that was the second shot. Don't know the long-term side effects, but I'm glad to get it done.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 21, 2021, 07:24:46 AM
My BIL got Pfizer, no problems with either shot
(and we aren't spring chickens)
The only people I know that had any problems - both had recently had covid-19 and then had their vaccinations less than 90 days after recovery.
Post by: bflynn on April 21, 2021, 07:32:46 AM
The only people I know that had any problems - both had recently had covid-19 and then had their vaccinations less than 90 days after recovery.
I had body aches for a day + sore arm. My wife had a 100 degree fever for a day + aches + sore arm.
Overall, I've had worse flu shots.
Post by: Rush on April 21, 2021, 07:33:49 AM
Male cousin in his 90s just died supposedly from covid. His wife is hospitalized and not expected to live, maybe has covid too, not sure.
Female cousin also in her 90s broke a hip and had surgery and went downhill immediately and died last night.
Another female cousin age 76 just died who was in poor health. Not sure of that was being called for covid.
All of these are in western PA. The only one I was really close to was the one that broke her hip. She was like a second mother. :'(
Now my own mom is the last one left of her generation.
Post by: Mr Pou on April 21, 2021, 07:37:49 AM
Just got some news. Three relatives have died and a fourth is about to.
Male cousin in his 90s just died supposedly from covid. His wife is hospitalized and not expected to live, maybe has covid too, not sure.
Female cousin also in her 90s broke a hip and had surgery and went downhill immediately and died last night.
Another female cousin age 76 just died who was in poor health. Not sure of that was being called for covid.
All of these are in western PA. The only one I was really close to was the one that broke her hip. She was like a second mother. :'(
Now my own mom is the last one left of her generation.
Rush, sorry for your loss. I used to have roots in western PA, but alas, there's nothing left back there anymore but memories. :(
Post by: Username on April 21, 2021, 07:53:11 AM
Post by: Rush on April 21, 2021, 07:58:02 AM
Rush, sorry for your loss. I used to have roots in western PA, but alas, there's nothing left back there anymore but memories. :(
My mom chose to leave her hometown and the ones we used to visit are dying off. All the younger generations are getting out of touch. So soon all I'll have there are memories too.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 21, 2021, 08:21:44 AM
Field work available in all three subjects in D.C.!Thanks to Senator Blutarsky.
Post by: Anthony on April 21, 2021, 08:38:17 AM
Just got some news. Three relatives have died and a fourth is about to.
Male cousin in his 90s just died supposedly from covid. His wife is hospitalized and not expected to live, maybe has covid too, not sure.
Female cousin also in her 90s broke a hip and had surgery and went downhill immediately and died last night.
Another female cousin age 76 just died who was in poor health. Not sure of that was being called for covid.
All of these are in western PA. The only one I was really close to was the one that broke her hip. She was like a second mother. :'(
Now my own mom is the last one left of her generation.
Wow, sorry to hear. That's terrible. Hang in there Rush. :(
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 21, 2021, 08:42:20 AM
Just got some news. Three relatives have died and a fourth is about to.So very sorry, my condolences all around.
Male cousin in his 90s just died supposedly from covid. His wife is hospitalized and not expected to live, maybe has covid too, not sure.
Female cousin also in her 90s broke a hip and had surgery and went downhill immediately and died last night.
Another female cousin age 76 just died who was in poor health. Not sure of that was being called for covid.
All of these are in western PA. The only one I was really close to was the one that broke her hip. She was like a second mother. :'(
Now my own mom is the last one left of her generation.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 21, 2021, 08:51:30 AM
If any of you looked at this yesterday, know that Google now has taken it down.
I only posted it because it was an actual compilation of social media posts (side by side; healthy young or youngish person boasts of getting the jab, then dies), and articles from local newspapers mourning death of beloved young or youngish person.
But Google can’t allow that.
I get that the deaths could be coincidence. But the censorship is damnable.
That is pathetic action by Google. Fortunately there are other places to post that material - I’d have been happy to host a copy on one of my web sites.
Post by: nddons on April 21, 2021, 09:49:46 AM
Just got some news. Three relatives have died and a fourth is about to.I’m so sorry Rush.
Male cousin in his 90s just died supposedly from covid. His wife is hospitalized and not expected to live, maybe has covid too, not sure.
Female cousin also in her 90s broke a hip and had surgery and went downhill immediately and died last night.
Another female cousin age 76 just died who was in poor health. Not sure of that was being called for covid.
All of these are in western PA. The only one I was really close to was the one that broke her hip. She was like a second mother. :'(
Now my own mom is the last one left of her generation.
Post by: Number7 on April 21, 2021, 10:13:42 AM
Post by: Rush on April 21, 2021, 10:26:06 AM
Rush, you are in my prayers.
Aw thanks. They were all really good people. Down to earth.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 21, 2021, 10:33:10 AM
Just got some news. Three relatives have died and a fourth is about to.
Male cousin in his 90s just died supposedly from covid. His wife is hospitalized and not expected to live, maybe has covid too, not sure.
Female cousin also in her 90s broke a hip and had surgery and went downhill immediately and died last night.
Another female cousin age 76 just died who was in poor health. Not sure of that was being called for covid.
All of these are in western PA. The only one I was really close to was the one that broke her hip. She was like a second mother. :'(
Now my own mom is the last one left of her generation.
sorry for your losses.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 21, 2021, 11:37:04 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 21, 2021, 12:00:53 PM
Post by: nddons on April 21, 2021, 12:07:42 PM
Wife just had her OB/GYN appointment. Doctor didn't care if she wore a mask or not. Doctor required under the Care Act to ask her questions about her mental state. She will not be allowed to get a mammogram until 6 weeks after her second shot. They have discovered the vaccines tend to inflame the lymph nodes. Wife left the office, rode the elevator down and left the building with no mask. The mask Nazi at the entrance yelled at her and she told her, "not putting my mask back on, sue me or have me arrested"Great response. My wife was confronted by a mask Nazi around the holidays, and she said “my body, my choice!”
Post by: Rush on April 21, 2021, 12:53:32 PM
Don’t want to read it? He says he’s not getting the vaccine until Fauci and the Democrats quit lying to us.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/mar/22/why-i-refuse-to-take-the-trump-vaccine/
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 21, 2021, 01:20:55 PM
Just got some news. Three relatives have died and a fourth is about to.
Male cousin in his 90s just died supposedly from covid. His wife is hospitalized and not expected to live, maybe has covid too, not sure.
Female cousin also in her 90s broke a hip and had surgery and went downhill immediately and died last night.
Another female cousin age 76 just died who was in poor health. Not sure of that was being called for covid.
All of these are in western PA. The only one I was really close to was the one that broke her hip. She was like a second mother. :'(
Now my own mom is the last one left of her generation.
Very sad news and sorry to learn of their passing.
It seems that my own feelings of life’s many events, small and large, is influenced by how I think they affect friends and relatives. As those people pass on their absence subtlety changes my feelings of events. (Only my father’s sister remains of my parent’s generation - the many other aunts, uncles, and grandparents that crowded my younger years are all gone. It does leave a feeling of melancholy of decades long past.)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 21, 2021, 01:26:40 PM
Her family also wanted to take an Hawaii trip but found out for each island they wanted to visit they would have to get a separate vaccination, so they would have had to have gotten up to five shots. They decided to go to Florida instead.
Another unrelated item, we've seen the shutdowns and such kill many small businesses. You might remember the California bar or restaurant that was shutdown while across the street a movie set caterer was allowed to operate.
The attendees at the Oscars will each receive a Swag Bag worth $60k. Part of the bag will be trips to two resorts valued at $8k and $10k including private jet transportation. The have it rough, don't they.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 21, 2021, 02:38:54 PM
Very sad news and sorry to learn of their passing.
It seems that my own feelings of life’s many events, small and large, is influenced by how I think they affect friends and relatives. As those people pass on their absence subtlety changes my feelings of events. (Only my father’s sister remains of my parent’s generation - the many other aunts, uncles, and grandparents that crowded my younger years are all gone. It does leave a feeling of melancholy of decades long past.)
Unveiling
by Linda Pastan
In the cemetery
a mile away
from where we used to live,
my aunts and mother
my father and uncles lie
in two long rows,
almost the way
they used to sit around
the long planked table
at family dinners.
And walking beside
the graves today, down
one straight path
and up the next,
I don't feel sad, exactly,
just left out a bit,
as if they kept
from me the kind
of grown-up secret
they used to share
back then, something
I'm not quite ready yet
to learn.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 22, 2021, 09:15:52 AM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/SgKNfgybn0uz/
Enjoy
Post by: Rush on April 22, 2021, 04:18:07 PM
Post by: Rush on April 22, 2021, 07:53:03 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/02/26/woman-wears-her-own-thong-as-mask-in-grocery-store/
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2021, 06:13:32 AM
Post by: Number7 on April 27, 2021, 12:48:05 PM
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-8500-1.jpg)
https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-8500-1.jpg (https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-8500-1.jpg)
Post by: Number7 on April 27, 2021, 12:50:07 PM
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-8502-1.jpg)
https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-8502-1.jpg (https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-8502-1.jpg)
Post by: Lucifer on April 29, 2021, 04:48:13 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 29, 2021, 04:50:24 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 29, 2021, 04:51:51 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 30, 2021, 12:46:12 PM
Quote
The Transportation Security Administration is expected to extend a requirement that air travelers wear masks in airports and during flights for several more months, people familiar with the matter said.
An announcement could come as early as today and could extend the requirement until mid-September, the people said. The requirement is currently set to expire on May 11.
Post by: Rush on April 30, 2021, 03:10:25 PM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/
Quote
Conclusion
The existing scientific evidences challenge the safety and efficacy of wearing facemask as preventive intervention for COVID-19. The data suggest that both medical and non-medical facemasks are ineffective to block human-to-human transmission of viral and infectious disease such SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19, supporting against the usage of facemasks. Wearing facemasks has been demonstrated to have substantial adverse physiological and psychological effects. These include hypoxia, hypercapnia, shortness of breath, increased acidity and toxicity, activation of fear and stress response, rise in stress hormones, immunosuppression, fatigue, headaches, decline in cognitive performance, predisposition for viral and infectious illnesses, chronic stress, anxiety and depression. Long-term consequences of wearing facemask can cause health deterioration, developing and progression of chronic diseases and premature death. Governments, policy makers and health organizations should utilize prosper and scientific evidence-based approach with respect to wearing facemasks, when the latter is considered as preventive intervention for public health.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 30, 2021, 03:51:20 PM
Link from a comment under that about face masks:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/
"RETRACTED: Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis"
edit: the claim that properly wearing an N95 would be ineffective doesn't pass the giggle test.
Post by: Lucifer on May 05, 2021, 10:44:46 AM
Quote
Some left-wing Americans are having trouble emerging from coronavirus lockdowns, according to a new report in the Atlantic.
“Progressive communities have been home to some of the fiercest battles over COVID-19 policies, and some liberal policy makers have left scientific evidence behind,” writes reporter Emma Green, who notes that some ordinary Americans of liberal political persuasions have become so committed to lockdowns that they are having trouble returning to normal life.
To some extent, the difficulty in returning to normal life may simply reflect human nature, and inertia. In Genesis 8:14-17, in the Old Testament, Noah has trouble leaving the Ark despite the end of the Flood. Eventually, God has to tell him to leave.
For those who have been able to work from home, shop from home, and enjoy entertainment at home, the lockdowns are simply a new reality.
Many older Americans, who have been at greater risk during the pandemic, may have adjusted their preferences permanently, and there is some concern that they may never return to using in-person services, even as the economy reopens.
The Wall Street Journal also noted last month that the coronavirus lockdowns have been comforting to some people with anxiety disorders, who struggle with some everyday interactions that are easier to manage in a stay-at-home setting.
But the Atlantic documents a different kind of reluctance — one encouraged by politics:
Lurking among the jubilant Americans venturing back out to bars and planning their summer-wedding travel is a different group: liberals who aren’t quite ready to let go of pandemic restrictions. For this subset, diligence against COVID-19 remains an expression of political identity—even when that means overestimating the disease’s risks or setting limits far more strict than what public-health guidelines permit. In surveys, Democrats express more worry about the pandemic than Republicans do. People who describe themselves as “very liberal” are distinctly anxious. This spring, after the vaccine rollout had started, a third of very liberal people were “very concerned” about becoming seriously ill from COVID-19, compared with a quarter of both liberals and moderates, according to a study conducted by the University of North Carolina political scientist Marc Hetherington. And 43 percent of very liberal respondents believed that getting the coronavirus would have a “very bad” effect on their life, compared with a third of liberals and moderates.
Last year, when the pandemic was raging and scientists and public-health officials were still trying to understand how the virus spread, extreme care was warranted. People all over the country made enormous sacrifices—rescheduling weddings, missing funerals, canceling graduations, avoiding the family members they love—to protect others. Some conservatives refused to wear masks or stay home, because of skepticism about the severity of the disease or a refusal to give up their freedoms. But this is a different story, about progressives who stressed the scientific evidence, and then veered away from it.
For many progressives, extreme vigilance was in part about opposing Donald Trump. Some of this reaction was born of deeply felt frustration with how he handled the pandemic. It could also be knee-jerk.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on May 05, 2021, 12:18:33 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/05/04/report-some-liberals-have-trouble-quitting-coronavirus-lockdowns/
Hardly surprising. Libs need to be told what to do and how to think; they are children. Not too many conservative kids live in Mom's basement into their 30's.
Post by: nddons on May 05, 2021, 12:32:35 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/05/04/report-some-liberals-have-trouble-quitting-coronavirus-lockdowns/This seems most pronounced among public school teachers and school boards. These teachers and boards don’t give two shits about the students. Private schools have generally continued live, in person instruction for the past year.
Next public school teacher who says they are a brave “essential worker” should get throat punched.
There’s a woman in a leadership role at AirVenture who is a public school teacher. She was whining on FB because it’s hard for teachers to earn “Teacher of the Year” awards when they are working remotely.
I. Shit. You. Not.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 05, 2021, 12:37:01 PM
There’s a woman in a leadership role at AirVenture who is a public school teacher. She was whining on FB because it’s hard for teachers to earn “Teacher of the Year” awards when they are working remotely.
that's hilarious
Post by: jb1842 on May 05, 2021, 01:29:59 PM
This seems most pronounced among public school teachers and school boards. These teachers and boards don’t give two shits about the students. Private schools have generally continued live, in person instruction for the past year.
Next public school teacher who says they are a brave “essential worker” should get throat punched.
There’s a woman in a leadership role at AirVenture who is a public school teacher. She was whining on FB because it’s hard for teachers to earn “Teacher of the Year” awards when they are working remotely.
I. Shit. You. Not.
Anybody who calls themselves essential workers need throat punched. That and whoever puts a sign in front of a business that says hero's work here.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 05, 2021, 01:56:48 PM
There is a woman in a leadership role at AirVenture who is a public school teacher. She was whining on FB because it’s hard for teachers to earn “Teacher of the Year” awards when they are working remotely.No one earns Teacher of the Year who sets out to get it. It comes from real passion and real hard work and a real relationship with students.
I. Shit. You. Not.
Post by: Dweyant on May 05, 2021, 02:03:30 PM
No one earns Teacher of the Year who sets out to get it. It comes from real passion and real hard work and a real relationship with students.
Teacher of the year is a popularity contest, just like every other peer voted “award”. I had a department head that was so proud that our department almost always got the teacher of the year. Of course we were told who to vote for each year and she made sure the entire department voted as a block.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 05, 2021, 04:31:17 PM
Teacher of the year is a popularity contest, just like every other peer voted “award”. I had a department head that was so proud that our department almost always got the teacher of the year. Of course we were told who to vote for each year and she made sure the entire department voted as a block.:-\ I guess more things than we realize have a slimy underbelly. :-\
Post by: Rush on May 06, 2021, 11:38:52 AM
I highly encourage you to listen to the whole thing but if you won’t, here’s a summary:
Congress stayed evictions with the CARE Act that Trump signed for housing receiving federal funds only and only for 120 days. THEN the CDC issued a moratorium on evictions for ALL rentals extending after the initial 120 days, and even later Congress extended the CDC moratorium.
The court ruled the CDC has no authority to place eviction moratoriums as it is way outside the scope of their powers. Congress does sorta but Congress having extended the CDC’s does NOT negate the illegality of CDC doing it.
The court’s ruling is brilliant and Steve’s analysis is brilliant, well worth listening to!
Finally somebody pushing back against King Fauci.
Post by: Lucifer on May 06, 2021, 01:57:10 PM
Post by: Lucifer on May 07, 2021, 05:14:59 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 11, 2021, 11:30:15 AM
Post by: Dweyant on May 11, 2021, 01:03:17 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/05/11/fncs-carlson-why-isnt-there-a-criminal-investigation-into-tony-faucis-role-in-this-pandemic/
This crap has got to end…
As I sit wearing a damn mask at an airport waiting to get on a commercial flight…..
When will people start to push back on this? If I didn’t have to fly for my job I’d refuse to wear a mask at all. As it is I haven’t worn one in a store in about a month. No one has said a word to me. It’s time to end this BS
-Dan
Post by: Lucifer on May 11, 2021, 01:08:14 PM
Post by: jb1842 on May 11, 2021, 01:10:27 PM
It won't end until the people force it to end.
They won't force it as long as they get stimulus checks and more unemployment.
Post by: Dweyant on May 11, 2021, 01:15:17 PM
They won't force it as long as they get stimulus checks and more unemployment.
We are starting to see a little pushback on the unemployment checks from a few states. We need a lot more. I’ve been traveling a lot for work, and I see help wanted signs everywhere!
-Dan
Post by: nddons on May 11, 2021, 02:04:02 PM
This crap has got to end…Our firm halted all international and domestic air travel in March 2020. They’ve opened up only necessary domestic travel (i.e. client related), but no in-person firm conferences or other “optional” meetings like that.
As I sit wearing a damn mask at an airport waiting to get on a commercial flight…..
When will people start to push back on this? If I didn’t have to fly for my job I’d refuse to wear a mask at all. As it is I haven’t worn one in a store in about a month. No one has said a word to me. It’s time to end this BS
-Dan
I’m not looking forward to flying with a face burka. I’m hoping this shit passes before I have to fly commercially.
Post by: Little Joe on May 11, 2021, 02:06:39 PM
They won't force it as long as they get stimulus checks and more unemployment.I guarantee you that many of those people that won't work because they get more in unemployment are not wearing masks. I know several of them.
Post by: jb1842 on May 11, 2021, 03:27:41 PM
I guarantee you that many of those people that won't work because they get more in unemployment are not wearing masks. I know several of them.
So do I.
Post by: Rush on May 12, 2021, 05:41:17 AM
Quote
You can briefly lower or remove your face covering while actively eating, drinking or taking oral medication, but it must be worn between bites and sips.
FUCKING INSANITY.
I'm seriously considering canceling my trip if not for the fuel thing but for that mask nonsense.
AA is altering flight schedules and stopping planes midway to refuel. Great, now not only must I layover, we get to have an additional landing/takeoff during the long flight adding its inherent risk, as T/O landing are the most dangerous phase of flight.
Post by: Lucifer on May 12, 2021, 10:24:30 AM
Post by: jb1842 on May 13, 2021, 05:07:43 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 13, 2021, 06:15:19 AM
Ohio is lifting all restrictions on June 2. They are also using relief money to fund a lottery for people who got the shot. 1 million to an adult, and 4 years of college tuition to kids who get the shot. What a fucking joke.
well, as long as it actually goes to a good use...
better that than lining the pockets of the corrupt politicians...
Post by: Rush on May 13, 2021, 06:28:24 AM
Ohio is lifting all restrictions on June 2. They are also using relief money to fund a lottery for people who got the shot. 1 million to an adult, and 4 years of college tuition to kids who get the shot. What a fucking joke.
A shot at a million soon to be worthless dollars to get “the” shot?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 13, 2021, 06:32:59 AM
A shot at a million soon to be worthless dollars to get “the” shot?
actually, two of them. Unless you want the J&J shot...
and the booster shots... don't forget the booster shots.
oh, and keep wearing a mask because, well, "they" are still studying how infectious vaccinated people are.
(but don't apply this "logic" to the measles shot...)
Post by: Lucifer on May 13, 2021, 01:42:54 PM
Post by: Lucifer on May 15, 2021, 05:06:46 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 17, 2021, 11:28:01 AM
Post by: Number7 on May 17, 2021, 05:40:14 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E1mcdxZXEAYDcO0.jpg)
Truth is so painful for the communist democrats...
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on May 17, 2021, 06:31:27 PM
'Dr. Anthony Fauci, who has headed the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984, has played a major role in promoting and funding gain-of-function research, both in the US and China. Newsweek reported: “He argued that the research was worth the risk it entailed because it enables scientists to make preparations [ ] that could be useful if and when a pandemic occurred.”
"Those claims are belied by the empirical evidence-
GoF experiments have neither prevented a pandemic, nor provided useful information about safe and effective pandemic countermeasures. Numerous prominent scientists argue that these experiments deviate from morally justifiable research, and the experimentally altered pathogens have put the entire human species at risk."
https://ahrp.org/what-is-gain-of-function-research-who-is-at-high-risk/
Published a year ago.
Nothing to see here...
Post by: Lucifer on May 17, 2021, 06:57:46 PM
“Gain-of-function” is the euphemism for biological research aimed at increasing the virulence and lethality of pathogens and viruses."
'Dr. Anthony Fauci, who has headed the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984, has played a major role in promoting and funding gain-of-function research, both in the US and China. Newsweek reported: “He argued that the research was worth the risk it entailed because it enables scientists to make preparations [ ] that could be useful if and when a pandemic occurred.”
"Those claims are belied by the empirical evidence-
GoF experiments have neither prevented a pandemic, nor provided useful information about safe and effective pandemic countermeasures. Numerous prominent scientists argue that these experiments deviate from morally justifiable research, and the experimentally altered pathogens have put the entire human species at risk."
https://ahrp.org/what-is-gain-of-function-research-who-is-at-high-risk/
Published a year ago.
Nothing to see here...
Gain of Function research is for one thing, and one thing only: Biological Warfare.
Pope Tony is a modern day Mengele
Post by: Number7 on May 17, 2021, 08:33:01 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 18, 2021, 05:36:25 AM
We went last night and when I got my popcorn I asked the young man for butter. He pointed to the butter dispensers and told me I could get my butter there, progress! There are two of them about three feet apart and both were functional. Right next to them are the two Coke Freestyle machines also three feet apart, yet one was still shutdown.
Someone is missing a point somewhere. Also masks are still required to enter the lobby. Once in our seats the masks come off never to be put on again.
Post by: Lucifer on May 18, 2021, 05:45:33 AM
Wife and I went to the movies last night, We're AMC A-List members and have been going since they opened up last August. If you got popcorn they would give you little containers with butter stuff in it.
We went last night and when I got my popcorn I asked the young man for butter. He pointed to the butter dispensers and told me I could get my butter there, progress! There are two of them about three feet apart and both were functional. Right next to them are the two Coke Freestyle machines also three feet apart, yet one was still shutdown.
Someone is missing a point somewhere. Also masks are still required to enter the lobby. Once in our seats the masks come off never to be put on again.
Science.
Post by: Lucifer on May 18, 2021, 06:25:07 AM
Post by: Steingar on May 18, 2021, 06:26:09 AM
A gain of function mutation in a virus can be an out and out disaster. What I think everyone is afraid of is the the COVID virus will get a gain of function mutation that will allow it to overcome vaccine surveillance. If any strain does so our current vaccines will be useless.
All of our vaccines are directed against the viral spike protein, which stick out of the virus and gives it its name (Corona, or crown). The spike protein binds avidly to the ubiquitous human protein Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 (ACE2). None of the variants yet have mutations that change the spike protein to the point where it isn't recognized by vaccine induced antibodies. But vaccine hesitancy in the West means that there is a sizable reservoir of potential viral infections, and the more infections the more the virus will be able to evolve. We're its ecosystem. Moreover, we're going to get cases coming in from other nations where vaccination hasn't made effective inroads. The probability of the virus mutating beyond vaccine surveillance is really low, but with sufficient infections low probability outcomes become near certainty.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 18, 2021, 07:30:15 AM
Not “vaccine hesitancy,” but refusal to participate in the largest drug trial in the history of the world. No long-term studies, so no knowledge of long-term effects.
Not anti-science, but zero trust in those whose politics and profits hide their motives behind the science.
The governments, the pharmaceutical companies, the mercurial “guidance” from CDC and NIH and WHO (now the unvaccinated must wear masks to protect the vaccinated), the myriad “we don’t know” answers from doctors, the refusal of those in power to bring to justice perpetrators of all manner of crimes against humanity, including massive election fraud and release of a virus to cripple the world ... these and more all richly have earned our distrust.
If they can admit to not knowing, refuse to investigate and prosecute, and have to bludgeon, threaten and cajole to get people to receive a vaccine that in an environment of trust we willingly would receive, then I can admit to not wanting to participate.
Post by: Steingar on May 18, 2021, 08:22:34 AM
Not “vaccine hesitancy,” but refusal to participate in the largest drug trial in the history of the world. No long-term studies, so no knowledge of long-term effects.
Given that there is no agent to cause long term effects (mRNAs are labile, and the gene therapy vectors don't stick around) the potential for any long term effects is minimal. Moreover the vaccines have been in use for about a year now (since the first clinical trials) and no long term adverse effects have been reported. In the mean time COVID has a 1% mortality and a 30-40% morbidity, causing all sorts of very long lasting adverse effects.
Not anti-science, but zero trust in those whose politics and profits hide their motives behind the science.
Otherwise known as antiscience.
The governments, the pharmaceutical companies, the mercurial “guidance” from CDC and NIH and WHO (now the unvaccinated must wear masks to protect the vaccinated), the myriad “we don’t know” answers from doctors, the refusal of those in power to bring to justice perpetrators of all manner of crimes against humanity, including massive election fraud and release of a virus to cripple the world ... these and more all richly have earned our distrust.
Elected officials have done the best they can with limited information and expertise. As far as where the virus came from, I can't entirely disagree. The possibility that it is an accidental lab release has not been investigated to the satisfaction of many. Indeed there was a letter in the latest edition of Science decrying just this. Sadly, the fact that the virus came from an authoritative state with little appetite for self-examination suggests that a full accounting may never be revealed.
If they can admit to not knowing, refuse to investigate and prosecute, and have to bludgeon, threaten and cajole to get people to receive a vaccine that in an environment of trust we willingly would receive, then I can admit to not wanting to participate.
Who exactly would you prosecute? The Chinese head of State? Really?
Vaccine hesitancy has become part of the fabric of our society. I really don't care if you want to get sick and die. I don' know you and I really don't care to do so. I just feel sorry for all the others you contaminate. Actually, to a degree I don't, since the ones you sicken had the opportunity to become vaccinated if they live in the US. The ones I really feel sorry for are the rest of us, since your folly could easily blow back on the rest of us if the virus evolves sufficiently. The more people it infects the more opportunity it has to do so.
Enjoy your puree.
Post by: nddons on May 18, 2021, 08:27:27 AM
Science.Beat me to it.
Post by: Lucifer on May 18, 2021, 08:32:40 AM
Maybe the perfessor wants to pontificate on how Mengele's "research" in the 1940's was "beneficial" to medicine?............
Post by: nddons on May 18, 2021, 08:38:56 AM
Given that there is no agent to cause long term effects (mRNAs are labile, and the gene therapy vectors don't stick around) the potential for any long term effects is minimal. Moreover the vaccines have been in use for about a year now (since the first clinical trials) and no long term adverse effects have been reported. In the mean time COVID has a 1% mortality and a 30-40% morbidity, causing all sorts of very long lasting adverse effects.Children of women who have taken the vaccine while pregnant or subsequently became pregnant have yet to be born.
Otherwise known as antiscience.
Elected officials have done the best they can with limited information and expertise. As far as where the virus came from, I can't entirely disagree. The possibility that it is an accidental lab release has not been investigated to the satisfaction of many. Indeed there was a letter in the latest edition of Science decrying just this. Sadly, the fact that the virus came from an authoritative state with little appetite for self-examination suggests that a full accounting may never be revealed.
Who exactly would you prosecute? The Chinese head of State? Really?
Vaccine hesitancy has become part of the fabric of our society. I really don't care if you want to get sick and die. I don' know you and I really don't care to do so. I just feel sorry for all the others you contaminate. Actually, to a degree I don't, since the ones you sicken had the opportunity to become vaccinated if they live in the US. The ones I really feel sorry for are the rest of us, since your folly could easily blow back on the rest of us if the virus evolves sufficiently. The more people it infects the more opportunity it has to do so.
Enjoy your puree.
Perhaps you should hold your enthusiasm for its safety until we see what happens to these babies in the short and long term.
Post by: Lucifer on May 18, 2021, 08:45:27 AM
A direct quote from one of his students:
Quote
The worst teacher OSU has to offer. .......... He told us that Covid-19 was not going to be a big issue and Monsanto is a trustworthy company. Very judgmental.
Post by: Lucifer on May 18, 2021, 08:53:55 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 18, 2021, 08:55:58 AM
Here, let me show everyone what a nutjob the perfessor really is.
A direct quote from one of his students:
you don't have to quote one of his students... just reference one of his many drunk drive-by posts. My favorite is the one that earned him the POS moniker
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 18, 2021, 09:00:37 AM
Here, let me show everyone what a nutjob the perfessor really is.
A direct quote from one of his students:
As relevant as the price of tea in China. Steingar’s posts 650 and 652 provide relevant info and arguments specific to the subject, with personal character judgement occurring only at the end. So I liked both posts.
Post by: Number7 on May 18, 2021, 09:04:48 AM
It's now amusing watching the perfesser attempting to defend GoF research, paid for by the US government to a communist government's military program.
Maybe the perfessor wants to pontificate on how Mengele's "research" in the 1940's was "beneficial" to medicine?............
It fit the communist narrative to which he lovingly worships...
Post by: Number7 on May 18, 2021, 09:06:43 AM
Your left leaning bias clearly showing thru any attempt to examine his blather bullshit and adoration of big government ahead clear thinking.
AND how does POS justify giving medical advice when he has zero qualifications?
Post by: Lucifer on May 18, 2021, 09:19:09 AM
As relevant as the price of tea in China. Steingar’s posts 650 and 652 provide relevant info and arguments specific to the subject, with personal character judgement occurring only at the end. So I liked both posts.
And your reply is as relevant as the price of tea in China as well.
Post by: Rush on May 18, 2021, 10:24:35 AM
A gain of function mutation is one that allows an organism to do something new. For example, were I to add the gene encoding jellyfish green fluorescent protein to a mouse, something I can do quite easily, that mouse would glow green under UV light, something mice can't normally do. Not only that, but all of the offspring that inherit the gene will glow green. Thus the gene is dominant, only 1 copy is sufficient to make the mouse glow green. There are dominant human diseases, like Huntington's and Achondroplasia, that only require 1 copy. That is really different from a recessive, where both your alleles have to be affected in order to manifest the disease. Cystic fibrosis, Tay Sacs and a number of other human genetic diseases fall under this paradigm.
A gain of function mutation in a virus can be an out and out disaster. What I think everyone is afraid of is the the COVID virus will get a gain of function mutation that will allow it to overcome vaccine surveillance. If any strain does so our current vaccines will be useless.
All of our vaccines are directed against the viral spike protein, which stick out of the virus and gives it its name (Corona, or crown). The spike protein binds avidly to the ubiquitous human protein Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 (ACE2). None of the variants yet have mutations that change the spike protein to the point where it isn't recognized by vaccine induced antibodies. But vaccine hesitancy in the West means that there is a sizable reservoir of potential viral infections, and the more infections the more the virus will be able to evolve. We're its ecosystem. Moreover, we're going to get cases coming in from other nations where vaccination hasn't made effective inroads. The probability of the virus mutating beyond vaccine surveillance is really low, but with sufficient infections low probability outcomes become near certainty.
What do you think about the U.S. banning the sort of gain of function that lets viruses transmit more easily and the fact that Fauci subsequently funded that research in the Wuhan lab? Would you hold Fauci accountable if that GoF led to the Covid19 virility and it accidentally escaped due to Wuhan bad containment protocols? Whether or not Fauci did it intentionally to cause a pandemic which I do not think he did.
Post by: Steingar on May 18, 2021, 10:51:04 AM
Children of women who have taken the vaccine while pregnant or subsequently became pregnant have yet to be born.
Perhaps you should hold your enthusiasm for its safety until we see what happens to these babies in the short and long term.
I know utterly nothing about vaccination during pregnancy. There are two aspects in play here. The first is the efficacy and safety of vaccinating a pregnant woman, and I admit I don't know. What I see on the web is its safe, but again I've no expertise. I imagine a viral infection during pregnancy to be dangerous indeed.
The second is whether the newer vaccines pose some sort of risk not present in the older ones. Both elicit an immune response, which I tried to address in my first point. But the mRNA and gene therapy vector agents are relatively new on the scene. The mRNA vaccines don't persist for very long, I suspect that's why their makers favor a two dose inoculation. Moreover, they're presence is restricted to somatic cells far from any placental tissues. The gene therapy vectors function similarly. I do not see any mechanism for these to affect a fetus.
All that said, I know for a fact that the Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 is expressed by syncytiotrophoblasts, making COVID infection potentially very dangerous for the fetus.
Post by: Rush on May 18, 2021, 11:21:34 AM
I know utterly nothing about vaccination during pregnancy. There are two aspects in play here. The first is the efficacy and safety of vaccinating a pregnant woman, and I admit I don't know. What I see on the web is its safe, but again I've no expertise. I imagine a viral infection during pregnancy to be dangerous indeed.
The second is whether the newer vaccines pose some sort of risk not present in the older ones. Both elicit an immune response, which I tried to address in my first point. But the mRNA and gene therapy vector agents are relatively new on the scene. The mRNA vaccines don't persist for very long, I suspect that's why their makers favor a two dose inoculation. Moreover, they're presence is restricted to somatic cells far from any placental tissues. The gene therapy vectors function similarly. I do not see any mechanism for these to affect a fetus.
All that said, I know for a fact that the Angiotensin Converting Enzyme 2 is expressed by syncytiotrophoblasts, making COVID infection potentially very dangerous for the fetus.
There’s no evidence that the virus directly causes catastrophic consequences for a fetus, the way Zika or rubella do. Nor are babies born to infected mothers sick themselves. However there are secondary effects to some fetuses of the mother being sick, such as damage from high fever, no matter the cause, dehydration, blood clots, and other conditions of the mother being sick can cause preterm labor, hypoxia, or other problems with the baby.
There isn’t even evidence that getting sick in the first trimester is causing harm to the fetus, although it will be years before it’s known whether there are long term development consequences.
I don’t see any way the vaccine could be more harmful than the actual disease and I agree with you that the likelihood is the vaccine is safer than the disease for a pregnant woman. Being pregnant puts high demands on your system. Being seriously ill is a stressor that isn’t good for mother or baby, but it appears that it’s just being severely ill in general that’s the problem in covid cases, nothing specific the virus does, at least as far as we know at present. But taking the vaccine to avoid becoming seriously ill might be prudent if you plan to get pregnant. And if you already are, it still may be the better choice.
Post by: nddons on May 18, 2021, 12:54:22 PM
There’s no evidence that the virus directly causes catastrophic consequences for a fetus, the way Zika or rubella do. Nor are babies born to infected mothers sick themselves. However there are secondary effects to some fetuses of the mother being sick, such as damage from high fever, no matter the cause, dehydration, blood clots, and other conditions of the mother being sick can cause preterm labor, hypoxia, or other problems with the baby.My doctor, who is also the doctor for my wife and daughter, recommended that I get the vaccine, but she said that she would not necessarily recommend that my 33-year old daughter get it. Reason? She is in her child bearing years, and if she got Covid she would likely recover perfectly from it.
There isn’t even evidence that getting sick in the first trimester is causing harm to the fetus, although it will be years before it’s known whether there are long term development consequences.
I don’t see any way the vaccine could be more harmful than the actual disease and I agree with you that the likelihood is the vaccine is safer than the disease for a pregnant woman. Being pregnant puts high demands on your system. Being seriously ill is a stressor that isn’t good for mother or baby, but it appears that it’s just being severely ill in general that’s the problem in covid cases, nothing specific the virus does, at least as far as we know at present. But taking the vaccine to avoid becoming seriously ill might be prudent if you plan to get pregnant. And if you already are, it still may be the better choice.
I have known only one person, in his 60s, who had a hard time with Covid. Everyone else had symptoms from mild flu to a bad cold, and that’s it.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 18, 2021, 02:11:35 PM
My doctor, who is also the doctor for my wife and daughter, recommended that I get the vaccine, but she said thatshe would not necessarily recommend that my 33-year old daughter get it. Reason? She is in her child bearing years, and if she got Covid she would likely recover perfectly from it.
I have known only one person, in his 60s, who had a hard time with Covid. Everyone else had symptoms from mild flu to a bad cold, and that’s it.
But see, this does not fit at all with Steingar’s stance that we need to create fewer hosts for the virus, thus stopping it from mutating. The fact that your daughter would likely recover perfectly from Covid would be irrelevant to Steingar. She still would be a host.
Post by: Lucifer on May 18, 2021, 07:15:10 PM
Post by: Lucifer on May 19, 2021, 04:51:43 AM
Post by: Steingar on May 19, 2021, 09:55:16 AM
I have known only one person, in his 60s, who had a hard time with Covid. Everyone else had symptoms from mild flu to a bad cold, and that’s it.
I now know quite a few people who contracted COVID. Some are are like your acquaintances, and had flu like symptoms and were out of it for a week or two. However, I know several who have had long term life altering COVID dependent diseases. The actual rate of long haul cases really isn't known, though the doctors I've talked to who treat patients claim it is alarmingly high, over a third. By the way, one of my long haul acquaintances is in her 20s.
Post by: Ron22 on May 19, 2021, 10:51:50 AM
I now know quite a few people who contracted COVID. Some are are like your acquaintances, and had flu like symptoms and were out of it for a week or two. However, I know several who have had long term life altering COVID dependent diseases. The actual rate of long haul cases really isn't known, though the doctors I've talked to who treat patients claim it is alarmingly high, over a third. By the way, one of my long haul acquaintances is in her 20s.Same here I know of a few people that had COVID. Most were I had the flu or only reason I knew was because got tested.
I know 3 people that had it bad and hospitalized, first was early on and was in bad shape and incubated for sometime, still has issues. He is in 50’s and no major health issues
2nd one hospitalized a few months ago, was in for a few days and said no real long term affect. He is in late 50’s and no major health issues either
Last on was hospitalized a few months ago. Was in for a while, never incubated but had a hard time. Still has issues. She is in mid 40’s and has Sever asthma.
I would say deaths went down because they learned how to treat it much better.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Post by: Rush on May 19, 2021, 12:50:21 PM
Post by: Mr Pou on May 20, 2021, 05:46:54 AM
And there are chronic conditions that can arise coincidentally in time that people may blame on covid but would have developed anyway.
FWIW:
First week February I developed a sore throat, at the top of the throat at the back of the mouth, but over time if moved lower, and over time made swallowing very difficult and painful. Covid tests were negative, a strong course of anti-biotics had no effect. My Dr suspected it to be viral, and likely Covid even though the tests were negative.
After much discussion with Dr friends and knowing that some got relief from Covid symptoms, I opted to get the Pfizer shots, the first was on 4/10. Within 24hrs of the 1st shot, the sore throat that had painfully persisted for two months was but a dull hinderance. By 48hrs after the shot, all symptoms were gone and have not returned.
Coincidence? Covid long haul symptoms? Who the hell knows...
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 20, 2021, 05:53:41 AM
As you say ... who knows, indeed.
Post by: Rush on May 20, 2021, 06:37:25 AM
FWIW:
First week February I developed a sore throat, at the top of the throat at the back of the mouth, but over time if moved lower, and over time made swallowing very difficult and painful. Covid tests were negative, a strong course of anti-biotics had no effect. My Dr suspected it to be viral, and likely Covid even though the tests were negative.
After much discussion with Dr friends and knowing that some got relief from Covid symptoms, I opted to get the Pfizer shots, the first was on 4/10. Within 24hrs of the 1st shot, the sore throat that had painfully persisted for two months was but a dull hinderance. By 48hrs after the shot, all symptoms were gone and have not returned.
Coincidence? Covid long haul symptoms? Who the hell knows...
There is simply no way of knowing. You’d have to do a study with sufficient number of people having similar sore throat, give some the shot, some a placebo yada yada.
Post by: nddons on May 20, 2021, 06:50:47 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210520/668b938e618e2344a9000f73b9f62c31.jpg)
Post by: Mr Pou on May 20, 2021, 07:41:29 AM
There is simply no way of knowing. You’d have to do a study with sufficient number of people having similar sore throat, give some the shot, some a placebo yada yada.
Oh I know, I just found it interesting.
Post by: Steingar on May 20, 2021, 08:00:11 AM
FWIW:
First week February I developed a sore throat, at the top of the throat at the back of the mouth, but over time if moved lower, and over time made swallowing very difficult and painful. Covid tests were negative, a strong course of anti-biotics had no effect. My Dr suspected it to be viral, and likely Covid even though the tests were negative.
After much discussion with Dr friends and knowing that some got relief from Covid symptoms, I opted to get the Pfizer shots, the first was on 4/10. Within 24hrs of the 1st shot, the sore throat that had painfully persisted for two months was but a dull hinderance. By 48hrs after the shot, all symptoms were gone and have not returned.
Coincidence? Covid long haul symptoms? Who the hell knows...
Complete coincidence. Your illness was caused by a virus other than COVID, and you got the shot about the time you body got the upper hand. A full fledged immune response doesn't occur in most folks until a couple weeks after the shot. Certainly not 24 hours. It is possible that the adjuvant in the vaccination got your immune system into a higher gear, though.
Post by: Rush on May 20, 2021, 09:44:50 AM
Oh I know, I just found it interesting.
I know you know. I'm just making conversation. ;D
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 20, 2021, 03:51:27 PM
I'd say we're definitely being played.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 20, 2021, 04:43:27 PM
https://www.thedp.com/article/2021/04/penn-study-finds-that-excess-mortality-in-the-us-is-greater-than-lives-lost-to-the-pandemic
Post by: Rush on May 20, 2021, 04:58:14 PM
Yes we are.
https://www.thedp.com/article/2021/04/penn-study-finds-that-excess-mortality-in-the-us-is-greater-than-lives-lost-to-the-pandemic
That’s not CNN or MSN or MSNBC therefore it’s conspiracy theory. And racist.
Post by: Lucifer on May 21, 2021, 04:58:05 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 21, 2021, 05:10:42 AM
"Trust science, just not political science"
"People who believe in more than two genders are science deniers."
Post by: Number7 on May 21, 2021, 02:22:47 PM
Complete coincidence. Your illness was caused by a virus other than COVID, and you got the shot about the time you body got the upper hand. A full fledged immune response doesn't occur in most folks until a couple weeks after the shot. Certainly not 24 hours. It is possible that the adjuvant in the vaccination got your immune system into a higher gear, though.
Dr. Quackenheimer has spoken.
Post by: Lucifer on May 23, 2021, 03:53:45 PM
Quote
Rand Paul said Sunday that he will refuse to get the COVID-19 vaccine since he already had coronavirus last year, even though the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends those who had the disease still get inoculated against it.
'Until they show me evidence that people who have already had the infection are dying in large numbers, or being hospitalized or getting very sick, I just made my own personal decision that I'm not getting vaccinated because I've already had the disease and I have natural immunity,' Paul told billionaire talk show host John Catsimatidis on his WABC 770 AM radio program.
The Kentucky senator insisted that Americans should have the freedom to make their own medical decisions without fear of repercussions or shame from the government.
'In a free country you would think people would honor the idea that each individual would get to make the medical decision,' he told the Cats Roundtable host.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 24, 2021, 04:54:15 AM
My wife and I have been going to movies since they reopened here in Georgia last August. AMC is open, we're A-List Members, Regal is/was not. When they first opened through last week If you bought popcorn the only was to get butter was to ask and they would give you these little pre-filled cups as we ll as napkins and straws.
A couple of months ago the started letting us get our own napkins and straws. The other night we went. We preorder drinks through their mobile app. We can't preorder popcorn as we have this bucket that we paid for and we get it filled for $4.99, that is not on their mobile app so we have to go and pay for it separate. Wife went to get our drinks cups and I got in line to get the popcorn. They will not fill our bucket so they give you a large popcorn for the refill price. Young man gave me my bucket and I asked him for butter. To my surprise he motioned to my right toward the butter dispensers. Now the butter dispensers are back in use so we can get our own butter. How exciting is that. Now for the fun part.
Look at the image I've attached. The two butter dispensers are roughly three feet apart and both are available. They are labeled on the left. Next to then are the two Coke Freestyle Dispensers, also approximately three feet apart. Only one dispenser is functional due to COVID restrictions and it has been that way since they opened. To the right of the functional Freestyle dispenser is the Icee machine, also approximately three feet or a little less from the one functional Freestyle machine.
So, it is okay to stand shoulder to shoulder with someone and get butter, not okay to stand shoulder to shoulder to get your drink but okay to stand shoulder to shoulder to get a drink and an Icee. Got it
Post by: bflynn on May 24, 2021, 05:48:11 AM
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/wuhan-lab-staff-sought-hospital-care-before-covid-19-outbreak-disclosed-wsj-2021-05-23/
There were also multiple reports of "black plague" and pneumonic infections reported in early Nov in China. Possible misdiagnosis?
Mr Occam seems to keep sharpening his razor.
Post by: Rush on May 24, 2021, 06:34:22 AM
My wife and I have been going to movies since they reopened here in Georgia last August. AMC is open, we're A-List Members, Regal is/was not. When they first opened through last week If you bought popcorn the only was to get butter was to ask and they would give you these little pre-filled cups as we ll as napkins and straws.
A couple of months ago the started letting us get our own napkins and straws. The other night we went. We preorder drinks through their mobile app. We can't preorder popcorn as we have this bucket that we paid for and we get it filled for $4.99, that is not on their mobile app so we have to go and pay for it separate. Wife went to get our drinks cups and I got in line to get the popcorn. They will not fill our bucket so they give you a large popcorn for the refill price. Young man gave me my bucket and I asked him for butter. To my surprise he motioned to my right toward the butter dispensers. Now the butter dispensers are back in use so we can get our own butter. How exciting is that. Now for the fun part.
Look at the image I've attached. The two butter dispensers are roughly three feet apart and both are available. They are labeled on the left. Next to then are the two Coke Freestyle Dispensers, also approximately three feet apart. Only one dispenser is functional due to COVID restrictions and it has been that way since they opened. To the right of the functional Freestyle dispenser is the Icee machine, also approximately three feet or a little less from the one functional Freestyle machine.
So, it is okay to stand shoulder to shoulder with someone and get butter, not okay to stand shoulder to shoulder to get your drink but okay to stand shoulder to shoulder to get a drink and an Icee. Got it
Your photo is mislabeled. The things on the left are "Partially hydrogenated soybean oil with artificial butter-like flavor Dispenser"
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 24, 2021, 06:46:37 AM
Your photo is mislabeled. The things on the left are "Partially hydrogenated soybean oil with artificial butter-like flavor Dispenser"Picky, picky 8)
Post by: Steingar on May 24, 2021, 10:06:07 AM
And Number Idiot has responded with an insult. Color me surprised.
Dr. Quackenheimer has spoken.
Post by: Number7 on May 24, 2021, 11:44:37 AM
And Number Idiot has responded with an insult. Color me surprised.
Poor pathetic POS.....
Post by: Lucifer on May 24, 2021, 03:05:47 PM
Post by: Lucifer on May 26, 2021, 08:42:52 AM
Quote
A professor at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine said Tuesday that almost “half the country” has natural immunity from COVID-19 due to prior infection.
Dr. Marty Makary appeared on “The Vince Coglianese Show” Tuesday, where he called dismissal of natural immunity “one of the biggest failures of our current medical leadership.”
Makary lamented the lack of guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for those who were infected but have recovered from the disease.
He also decried the demonization of people with natural immunity for refusing to get vaccinated, which Makary said is a reasonable decision, because “natural immunity works.”
Despite decades of solid science, questions over the efficacy of gained immunity — and even whether vaccinated people could spread the virus — have plagued debate about whether and when to reopen states, localities and businesses.
Fauci claimed that getting the vaccine “can do better than nature,” according to Business Insider. He further said that when COVID-19 survivors get the vaccine it “significantly boosts the immune response.”
“Vaccines are highly efficacious,” Fauci added, according to Business Insider. “They are better than the traditional response you get from natural infection.”
Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky sparked criticism just Sunday after he declared he would not be getting the vaccine, citing his previous infection and the resulting immunity.
“You had COVID-19. Should you get vaccinated? Rand Paul says no. Scientists say yes,” Yahoo News’ headline read.
“What Rand Paul gets wrong on vaccines,” a news analysis headline from CNN’s editor-at-large, Chris Cillizza, said. The piece went on to say how Paul’s decision to ride on his natural immunity defies the “science” and how such messaging is “wrong.”
Post by: Steingar on May 26, 2021, 08:55:14 AM
Thing is in either case you aren't going to the hospital if you're infected. The only people who will are those stubbornly refusing to be vaccinated for their fatuous reasons. And I don't care what happens to them. Darwin in action. Says me time to open up the country.
Post by: Lucifer on May 26, 2021, 09:17:56 AM
It is actually true that a huge swath of the country has some degree of immunity. Apparently the vaccines are so good that they give you far greater immunity than actually contracting hte virus. If you contract the virus there is still the possibility that you can host an infection, albeit a low level one, but one sufficient for you to spread the virus. If you are vaccinated odds are you can't even do that.
Thing is in either case you aren't going to the hospital if you're infected. The only people who will are those stubbornly refusing to be vaccinated for their fatuous reasons. And I don't care what happens to them. Darwin in action. Says me time to open up the country.
Please go find a junior high biology teacher to explain how this actually works. You will be surprised.
Post by: Steingar on May 26, 2021, 09:38:47 AM
Please go find a junior high biology teacher to explain how this actually works. You will be surprised.
You idiot, who do you think teaches junior high school teachers this stuff?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 26, 2021, 09:57:46 AM
It is actually true that a huge swath of the country has some degree of immunity. Apparently the vaccines are so good that they give you far greater immunity than actually contracting hte virus. If you contract the virus there is still the possibility that you can host an infection, albeit a low level one, but one sufficient for you to spread the virus. If you are vaccinated odds are you can't even do that.
Thing is in either case you aren't going to the hospital if you're infected. The only people who will are those stubbornly refusing to be vaccinated for their fatuous reasons. And I don't care what happens to them. Darwin in action. Says me time to open up the country.
You may have missed it Michael, the country is opening up. Georgia, Florida and Texas have probably been at the head of the class in opening up. Here in Georgia, we've been eating out since April 24th of last year. We've been able to go to the movies since last August. We should all be dead right now. Looks like we're doing very well.
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiNmViYjg0ZjgtYzZmNC00ZmY1LWEyNjItODI1OGEwYmYwNTM2IiwidCI6ImMxMzZlZWMwLWZlOTItNDVlMC1iZWFlLTQ2OTg0OTczZTIzMiIsImMiOjF9 (https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiNmViYjg0ZjgtYzZmNC00ZmY1LWEyNjItODI1OGEwYmYwNTM2IiwidCI6ImMxMzZlZWMwLWZlOTItNDVlMC1iZWFlLTQ2OTg0OTczZTIzMiIsImMiOjF9)
Post by: Number7 on May 26, 2021, 10:18:31 AM
You idiot, who do you think teaches junior high school teachers this stuff?
According to your former students, certainly not you!
Post by: Steingar on May 26, 2021, 10:20:45 AM
You may have missed it Michael, the country is opening up. Georgia, Florida and Texas have probably been at the head of the class in opening up. Here in Georgia, we've been eating out since April 24th of last year. We've been able to go to the movies since last August. We should all be dead right now. Looks like we're doing very well.
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiNmViYjg0ZjgtYzZmNC00ZmY1LWEyNjItODI1OGEwYmYwNTM2IiwidCI6ImMxMzZlZWMwLWZlOTItNDVlMC1iZWFlLTQ2OTg0OTczZTIzMiIsImMiOjF9 (https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiNmViYjg0ZjgtYzZmNC00ZmY1LWEyNjItODI1OGEwYmYwNTM2IiwidCI6ImMxMzZlZWMwLWZlOTItNDVlMC1iZWFlLTQ2OTg0OTczZTIzMiIsImMiOjF9)
Yup, and my state will join them soon. I predict there will be another surge, but I suspect it will be smaller in nature than the ones previously. I doubt it will be sufficiently large to imperil our medical infrastructure, which was frayed under previous surges.
Post by: Lucifer on May 26, 2021, 10:32:58 AM
You idiot, who do you think teaches junior high school teachers this stuff?
You certainly don't. One of the complaints of your students is your failure to understand the subject matter you are charged with teaching.
And from your writings, it's very apparent.
Post by: Lucifer on May 26, 2021, 10:35:43 AM
Yup, and my state will join them soon. I predict there will be another surge, but I suspect it will be smaller in nature than the ones previously. I doubt it will be sufficiently large to imperil our medical infrastructure, which was frayed under previous surges.
Our medical structure was frayed, and damaged by the government bureaucrats in the way they bungled and totally mismanaged the pandemic. The idiotic lockdowns destroyed much of the medical services, not the covid-19.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 26, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
Our medical structure was frayed, and damaged by the government bureaucrats in the way they bungled and totally mismanaged the pandemic. The idiotic lockdowns destroyed much of the medical services, not the covid-19.
true in some areas of the country.
Some other places got rogered by covid-19 (thank you biogen employees)...
Post by: Lucifer on May 26, 2021, 10:43:02 AM
https://summit.news/2021/05/26/johns-hopkins-prof-half-of-americans-have-natural-immunity-dismissing-it-is-biggest-failure-of-medical-leadership/
Post by: Number7 on May 26, 2021, 11:51:29 AM
Yup, and my state will join them soon. I predict there will be another surge, but I suspect it will be smaller in nature than the ones previously. I doubt it will be sufficiently large to imperil our medical infrastructure, which was frayed under previous surges.
Nearly empty hospital floors and nurses laid off by the hundreds certainly disagree with your bullshit.
Those hospitals that were overcrowded were also poorly managed and over diagnosing for the purpose of collecting free money.
Then there were the liberal governors withholding respirators while claiming they were dangerously close to having none.
As I recall no one was having elective surgery and hospitals faced huge revenue shortfalls due to liberal insanity.
Your bullshit never convinces anyone other than of your mental fragility and tned3ncy to lie like a fucking rug.
Post by: nddons on May 26, 2021, 01:02:35 PM
Yup, and my state will join them soon. I predict there will be another surge, but I suspect it will be smaller in nature than the ones previously. I doubt it will be sufficiently large to imperil our medical infrastructure, which was frayed under previous surges.No state has had a surge since opening up. Not one. What makes Ohio so special?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 26, 2021, 01:21:08 PM
No state has had a surge since opening up. Not one. What makes Ohio so special?
what is the definition of "opening up"?
completely dumping masks and giving up all the covid restrictions? or something short of that?
Post by: jb1842 on May 26, 2021, 01:28:49 PM
what is the definition of "opening up"?
completely dumping masks and giving up all the covid restrictions? or something short of that?
Only very few people are wearing masks in my part of Ohio, even though the restrictions aren't technically lifted until June 2. Been that way for a couple weeks. No outbreaks yet.
Post by: nddons on May 26, 2021, 03:02:45 PM
what is the definition of "opening up"?Exhibit A: Texas
completely dumping masks and giving up all the covid restrictions? or something short of that?
Exhibit B: Wisconsin
Exhibit C: take your pick
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 26, 2021, 03:04:18 PM
John Hopkins reports ~33 million known cases. The CDC reports ~132 million have completed vaccination (another ~25 million have had just the first of two doses.) The population is ~331 million.
Assuming no missed cases, about 10% have had the disease.
About 40% have completed vaccination and about 8% are partially vaccinated. So about 48% with some level of vaccination.
Assuming random overlap, to figure out how many have been vaccinated or had the disease you can’t just add the percentages together since you can get up 200%. It is simpler to first compute how many have managed to not have the disease and not been vaccinated since an “and” of two probabilities can be computed by simple multiplication of the two fractions.
First estimate: 0.90*0.52 = 0.50. So about 50% vaccinated or had the disease.
But most believe many cases were missed - there is debate as to how many. I’ve seen estimates of 2 to 8 for the ratio of actual to known cases. I recall seeing one study that performed a test for antibodies in randomly selected blood samples sent to labs (for reasons other than covid) and compared the positive ratio to the current reported cases. There were about 2.5 times as many cases in the blood samples as in the reported cases. So instead of 33 million cases there may have conservatively been 82.5 million cases, or about 25% have had the disease as of today.
Second estimate: 0.75*0.52 = 0.39. So about 61% vaccinated or had the disease.
To get to 70% vaccinated or had the disease the ratio of actual to known cases would need to be about 4.2. That seems plausible and near the middle of many estimates.
Post by: Lucifer on May 27, 2021, 05:15:21 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 28, 2021, 05:35:24 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 28, 2021, 08:13:30 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 28, 2021, 08:14:48 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 28, 2021, 08:15:26 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 28, 2021, 08:21:30 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 29, 2021, 03:31:21 PM
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2021, 05:16:31 AM
Quote
“It’s Memorial Day weekend. Thirty-seven million Americans are expected to travel this weekend,” Tapper began, saying that the CDC’s latest guidelines said vaccinated individuals should not be required to wear masks whether indoors or outside.
“The Biden administration says you will always follow the science. What science is there that says that a fully vaccinated person needs to wear a mask on a plane or a train or a bus?” Tapper asked.
“So the public health guidance is a little bit different for situations like planes and trains,” Buttigieg replied. “Bottom line is, we have a set of rules in place to keep people safe, and I really hope that travelers will respect flight attendants, bus operators, workers. Anybody who is simply doing their job to keep people safe.”
Buttigieg went on to argue that people who worked in travel and transportation had been putting themselves at risk to remain on the job throughout the pandemic and that people who were traveling should show them respect.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 01, 2021, 05:30:25 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2021, 05:32:14 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2021, 07:02:12 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2021, 07:14:07 AM
https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/fauci-to-publish-ten-lessons-book/
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 01, 2021, 07:32:23 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2021, 07:37:13 AM
With Mayor Pete in charge of transportation, I would say masks will not go away for planes and trains.
Well, I mean, you know, it's all about "respect"...........
Follow the science, or something like that.............
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2021, 05:16:14 PM
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2021, 09:22:27 AM
Total Fucking FRAUD.
Post by: nddons on June 02, 2021, 09:30:24 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210602/d6841135df6ee4019286866c9f8f9c26.jpg)
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2021, 09:33:03 AM
Is anyone getting a little fucking tired of getting lied to over and over and over?
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210602/d6841135df6ee4019286866c9f8f9c26.jpg)
Yet this fuckin' troll is the highest paid government employee, and is still employed after all the damage and chaos he created.
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2021, 10:59:36 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2021, 11:10:23 AM
Post by: Rush on June 02, 2021, 11:15:59 AM
Post by: nddons on June 02, 2021, 12:26:44 PM
No no! Steingar told us it absolutely came from an animal in a wet market, not a lab. RACIST!
Post by: Rush on June 02, 2021, 01:54:31 PM
No no! Steingar told us it absolutely came from an animal in a wet market, not a lab. RACIST!
Well it did go through the wet market in my opinion, but it originated in the lab looks like. Probably somebody sold a lab animal to the wet market.
Post by: Number7 on June 02, 2021, 02:45:10 PM
Well it did go through the wet market in my opinion, but it originated in the lab looks like. Probably somebody sold a lab animal to the wet market.
I feel quite confident that it was intentionally spread.
With the hatred and violence with which the fucking democrat commies
have fought against the truth coming out, you already know they are covering up something terrible.
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2021, 03:09:34 PM
There is but one purpose for gain of function research, and that fuckin’ Pope Tony was behind it. Everyday more and more truth is coming out.
Post by: nddons on June 02, 2021, 06:58:27 PM
Post by: Lucifer on June 03, 2021, 04:36:41 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 07, 2021, 05:59:04 AM
Sharri Markson Questions Why Biden Administration is Protecting Dr. Anthony Fauci
June 6, 2021 | Sundance
Quote
Now that we know the Obama administration was directly involved in the creation of SARS-CoV-2 as a biological weapon that was released from the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China (an accidental or purposeful release still undetermined) {Go Deep}, we have the background to understand why the JoeBama administration has to defend Anthony Fauci.
All of the originating activity surrounding U.S. collaboration with the Wuhan Institute, the funding of the Wuhan Institute and the approvals for the Wuhan Institute to conduct “gain of function” research (weaponizing the virus) took place during the Obama administration. Including the events on January 9, 2017, eleven days before leaving office, when President Obama’s administration lifted the funding moratorium to weaponize SARS bat viruses.
Sharri Markson has a book that details how the Wuhan Lab was used to create SARS-CoV-2 and how Anthony Fauci was the key decisionmaker in the U.S. who organized funding for the Chinese experiments. In this commentary she discusses some of the issues.
.
The bigger question of why the U.S. would fund, support and facilitate the creation of a biological weapon by the Chinese is where things really get interesting. The only reason the Pentagon (U.S. Military) would enjoin that relationship with China would be to benefit their own interests.
What interests would the U.S. military and U.S. Intelligence hold in the creation of a biological weapon in China?
What is that they say about “means”, “motive”, and “opportunity”?
The most likely answer is the one that makes people very uncomfortable.
♦ MEANS: The U.S. military and larger intelligence network likely used Wuhan as a cover for their own operations and intents.
If the political elements in the intelligence community, working in coordination with the U.S. military, were involved in a purposeful leak from a biological weapons facility in North Carolina – there would be a trail of evidence that could expose their activity. However, if they move that activity to Wuhan, China, the plausible deniability is much stronger.
Additionally, while the COVID targets made up a very specific demographic group most at risk of death from the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS), it’s likely the vaccine against the SARS-CoV-2 virus was known to both the Chinese communists and U.S. intelligence community before the release.
♦ MOTIVE: The U.S. and China working together on the planned weaponization and release of the virus just makes sense. Both nations would stand to gain the benefit from the biological release because President Donald J Trump’s “America First” program was working against both their interests.
Stand back and look at the BIG PICTURE…. The successful global trade reset underway by the Trump administration in combination with success in the creation of peace in both the Middle-east (Abraham Accords) and in North Korea (unification of both Koreas) was directly against the interests of the Chinese Government and U.S. military.
On top of all those motives, the global multinational corporations and banks were financially being impacted by all of President Trump’s domestic and foreign policies.
Yeah, “there are trillions at stake”!
♦ OPPORTUNITY: No, Dr. Anthony Fauci didn’t need to know about all those background motives and agendas in order to carry out his part… Fauci need only be some sick, twisted little man who wanted desperately to be the center of attention amid the global scientific community of his peers, and have his name adored in all the history books.
“It must be understood that what is meant by “political violence” is in fact lèse majesté. 10,000 proles can die and who in DC would miss them? But track mud on their carpet, and such an insult cannot go unanswered.” ~ Source
Carry on….
Post by: Lucifer on June 24, 2021, 08:20:52 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 24, 2021, 11:07:49 AM
So a Chinese Scientist with the PLA filed for a vaccine patent in February of 2020
Post by: Lucifer on June 24, 2021, 11:49:42 AM
https://in.news.yahoo.com/chinese-military-scientist-filed-patent-082549951.html (https://in.news.yahoo.com/chinese-military-scientist-filed-patent-082549951.html)
So a Chinese Scientist with the PLA filed for a vaccine patent in February of 2020
Yea, just a coincidence..
Post by: Lucifer on June 24, 2021, 02:15:27 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 24, 2021, 02:35:22 PM
Yea, just a coincidence..Yep 8)
or
You make a neat new biological weapon to release on the world and need a vaccine for most of your own people.
BTW, notice that said Scientist died in May, one might presume he completed his part, the vaccine. ::)
Post by: nddons on June 24, 2021, 02:41:19 PM
Yep 8)Where’s Steingar to remind us it came from bats in a wet market, and not a lab?
or
You make a neat new biological weapon to release on the world and need a vaccine for most of your own people.
BTW, notice that said Scientist died in May, one might presume he completed his part, the vaccine. ::)
Post by: Lucifer on June 24, 2021, 02:44:25 PM
Where’s Steingar to remind us it came from bats in a wet market, and not a lab?
Well, you know, people like eating that "bush meat"............
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 24, 2021, 07:49:26 PM
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/nih-deleted-data-on-early-wuhan-covid-cases-at-request-of-chinese-researchers/
Quote
NIH Deleted Data on Early Wuhan COVID Cases at Request of Chinese Researchers
Post by: Lucifer on June 25, 2021, 05:15:42 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 25, 2021, 05:18:05 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 25, 2021, 05:26:54 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 25, 2021, 06:33:09 AM
(http://)
Post by: jb1842 on June 25, 2021, 07:07:30 AM
Post by: Number7 on June 25, 2021, 07:09:21 AM
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/isaiah-harris-teen-heart-attack-pfizer-covid-vaccine/
I'm sure the settled science liars will be along to demand nobody mentions that.
Post by: Rush on June 25, 2021, 08:05:39 AM
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/isaiah-harris-teen-heart-attack-pfizer-covid-vaccine/
But getting covid the disease can also cause heart inflammation. I want to see the real data, the rates with both disease and vaccine. I am hopeless anyone will provide it truthfully.
That kid could have ended up the same if he got the disease. However with us reaching herd immunity he is ever less likely to get the disease. He shouldn’t have got the vaccine but there was no way he could have known ahead of time.
Post by: Lucifer on June 25, 2021, 08:13:11 AM
I'm sure Mengele was telling his patients that his "research" was for everyone's benefit and they had nothing to worry about. ::)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 25, 2021, 08:33:56 AM
But getting covid the disease can also cause heart inflammation. I want to see the real data, the rates with both disease and vaccine. I am hopeless anyone will provide it truthfully.
That kid could have ended up the same if he got the disease. However with us reaching herd immunity he is ever less likely to get the disease. He shouldn’t have got the vaccine but there was no way he could have known ahead of time.
According to an article in the 25 June 2021 Boston Herald (I don't have the url, I read actual newpapers) - "The CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunication Practices this week reported 1226 cases of myocarditis and pericardities after about 300 million doses of the two-shot mRNA vaccines have been administered."
"After review of the latest information available, it was clear that the benefits of the vaccination in this age group [12-24yearold] far outweigh the small risk of this very rare side effect"
the article indicates that there has been 389 cases of myocarditis or pericarditis in 12-24 years old, with 21 million in this group have been vaccinated. (however, the article is poorly words, it is not clear that those 389 cases included only those that have vaccinated)
but let's look at some numbers
129 million not in that group.... 837 cases 0.00065%
21 million in that group.... 389 cases 0.00185%
I'm not so sure that numbers support the claim that the risk is worth it.
I think I'm missing some information... or the numbers in the article aren't quite correct...
Post by: bflynn on June 25, 2021, 08:44:40 AM
As long as the government ... keeps hiding data ...
If you don't know where to look for it, don't know how to access it, or didn't even try to find it, is it their fault? Are they really hiding it?
https://catalog.data.gov/dataset?q=vaccine&sort=score+desc%2C+name+asc&as_sfid=AAAAAAVLv7HZrCqnCEtHAQ83O7O_orjzqJqKKqQPTvfBEOH5Lt5cU_nGZYDMKZQQquOtpKfJRPOFMo-ePmWjDQ-M9gsaRqx85Y-cykiEMM-m_mMadnbQxVefNBZGqHb-2wvDeXI%3D&as_fid=19ca249cd2ccfeb6b290fb657f0d75e47282d902&ext_location=&ext_bbox=&ext_prev_extent=-141.328125%2C8.754794702435618%2C-59.4140625%2C61.77312286453146
Post by: Lucifer on June 25, 2021, 09:04:48 AM
If you don't know where to look for it, don't know how to access it, or didn't even try to find it, is it their fault? Are they really hiding it?
https://catalog.data.gov/dataset?q=vaccine&sort=score+desc%2C+name+asc&as_sfid=AAAAAAVLv7HZrCqnCEtHAQ83O7O_orjzqJqKKqQPTvfBEOH5Lt5cU_nGZYDMKZQQquOtpKfJRPOFMo-ePmWjDQ-M9gsaRqx85Y-cykiEMM-m_mMadnbQxVefNBZGqHb-2wvDeXI%3D&as_fid=19ca249cd2ccfeb6b290fb657f0d75e47282d902&ext_location=&ext_bbox=&ext_prev_extent=-141.328125%2C8.754794702435618%2C-59.4140625%2C61.77312286453146
And you totally trust their "data". Right? After months and months of voodoo data techniques with covid, reclassifying covid "cases" and covid "deaths".
And now VAERS is being questioned to it's validity (under reporting).
Sorry, when you have a government with an agenda, I don't trust their "official" sites or their data.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 25, 2021, 09:27:58 AM
Testing site worker: “We knew they [CBS crew] were coming, but we didn’t know we would have fake patients.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GkXCYsfY_8
Post by: bflynn on June 25, 2021, 10:01:17 AM
Sorry, when you have a government with an agenda, I don't trust their "official" sites or their data.
So because you don't trust them, they must be hiding things. Otherwise they would be open with it all and you would trust them. Is that your logic or did I get something wrong?
Post by: Lucifer on June 25, 2021, 10:07:40 AM
So because you don't trust them, they must be hiding things. Otherwise they would be open with it all and you would trust them. Is that your logic or did I get something wrong?
No, it's just more of your fucked up trolling crap. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 25, 2021, 10:15:28 AM
So because you don't trust them, they must be hiding things. Otherwise they would be open with it all and you would trust them. Is that your logic or did I get something wrong?
There’s an eerie implacableness about the medical community’s stance(s) on the vaccine.
“Just get it. It’s safe. Problems are rare. This or that person would have died/had that weird disease appear suddenly/had tremors/had that blood clot …” ad infinitum.
On the other hand, doctors definitely are questioning it, especially as long-term effects are not known. But they’re being deplatformed and demonized.
It isn’t even really a trial, it’s something outside that, because millions are getting it but effects and reactions and deaths are NOT RELIABLY being assiduously recorded and studied, as would be the case in a typical years-long controlled trial. This is admitted. The VAERS system is not reliable and doctors now are refusing to “get involved” with claims from their patients who insist their problem started after being vaxxed.
So no, I don’t trust these agencies and companies. Change my mind.
Post by: bflynn on June 25, 2021, 11:14:54 AM
No, it's just more of your fucked up trolling crap. Wash, rinse, repeat.
I can believe the government is being incompetent, but if they're actively hiding things then I want to know what it is and how do you know. Otherwise, you're just making stuff up again because you have no facts to back it up.
I'm not trolling by calling out your unsupported statements. Quite the opposite, you're trolling by making it up in the first place. And I'm disappointed but not surprised that you cannot handle being challenged.
Post by: Lucifer on June 25, 2021, 11:25:23 AM
I can believe the government is being incompetent, but if they're actively hiding things then I want to know what it is and how do you know. Otherwise, you're just making stuff up again because you have no facts to back it up.
I'm not trolling by calling out your unsupported statements. Quite the opposite, you're trolling by making it up in the first place. And I'm disappointed but not surprised that you cannot handle being challenged.
You're so full of yourself. ::)
Post by: bflynn on June 25, 2021, 11:52:29 AM
You're so full of yourself. ::)
And you're so full of it. You were called out on your chicken little garbage and you can't defend it so you're attacking me. Classic, on the internet you can always tell when you've won an argument when the other side quits talking about the question and starts talking about you. The only thing left is to invoke Godwin's Law and prove that you're wrong.
Probably best for you to put your tin foil hat on again and protect yourself from all the bad mind control rays they're shooting at you from the 6G networking and the satellites.
Post by: bflynn on June 25, 2021, 11:53:04 AM
There’s an eerie implacableness about the medical community’s stance(s) on the vaccine.
“Just get it. It’s safe. Problems are rare. This or that person would have died/had that weird disease appear suddenly/had tremors/had that blood clot …” ad infinitum.
On the other hand, doctors definitely are questioning it, especially as long-term effects are not known. But they’re being deplatformed and demonized.
It isn't the FDA that is deplatforming anyone, nor any medical agency that I'm aware of. That's being done by Leftists who operate their lives out of fear, jealousy and guilt. If you conflate the politics of the Left wanting to control with the ineptness of large bureaucracies, then I can understand confusion on the matter, but really they're different things.
It isn’t even really a trial, it’s something outside that, because millions are getting it but effects and reactions and deaths are NOT RELIABLY being assiduously recorded and studied, as would be the case in a typical years-long controlled trial. This is admitted. The VAERS system is not reliable and doctors now are refusing to “get involved” with claims from their patients who insist their problem started after being vaxxed.
So no, I don’t trust these agencies and companies. Change my mind.
No, it's gone well past trial into use. There's a reason they keep trials small, because you need such strong contact with the patients. However, the data being reported by the doctors do not show a significant issue.
Long term...is long term. Nobody really know what the impact of any particular new treatment is long term, because it's new. However there are no indications right now of any issues and I'd like to think that if there were, they would have started to manifested by now.
There's no question the vaccines work. There's roughly 4100 breakthrough cases out of 150 million fully vaccinated people - 0.002% or 0.00002.
Historically, there has never been a vaccine that had hidden effects that didn't show up in at least some of the population within a year. If there are long term effects, we should have seen some kind of trend by now, but there's just nothing there.
Is that proof of a negative? No, a negative cannot be proven and there will never be proof of no long term effects...unless you want to define how long "long term" is and wait for that time to pass. However, it is showing that nothing has happened yet and that's the best that can be accomplished right now. Unless you're going to go to conspiracy and insist that the reason we can't see that there's nothing there is because it's all been hidden from us by "them".
I've worked in govt jobs in the past. Trust me, nobody in the government is interested in hiding anything because nobody want to put their job or retirement at risk. You can barely get those people to do their jobs, let alone get them to be involved in a massive conspiracy that magically never leaks. I mean, 3 people knew about Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton and two of them were involved in the act. That still leaked. A government trying to hide all the evidence of a vaccine problem? No, there are way too many people involved.
Post by: Lucifer on June 25, 2021, 11:55:15 AM
And you're so full of it. You were called out on your chicken little garbage and you can't defend it so you're attacking me. Classic, on the internet you can always tell when you've won an argument when the other side quits talking about the question and starts talking about you. The only thing left is to invoke Godwin's Law and prove that you're wrong.
Probably best for you to put your tin foil hat one again and protect yourself from all the bad mind control rays they're shooting at you from the 6G networking and the satellites.
You really, really suck at trolling.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 25, 2021, 12:29:16 PM
Is that proof of a negative? No, a negative cannot be proven
as an aside: actually, it is possible to prove a negative.
not back to the uniary olympics...
Post by: bflynn on June 25, 2021, 06:34:17 PM
as an aside: actually, it is possible to prove a negative.
Can you give an example. To my knowledge and what I've been taught in multiple logic proof classes, it cannot be done.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 26, 2021, 04:01:25 AM
Can you give an example. To my knowledge and what I've been taught in multiple logic proof classes, it cannot be done.
I've proved the absence of a particular state in a system with an infinite state space.
Post by: Lucifer on June 26, 2021, 09:42:57 AM
Post by: nddons on June 26, 2021, 11:21:48 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/make-wish-foundation-announces-will-help-fully-vaccinated-children-video/Dear God. That has to be a mis-posted Babylon Bee or The Onion article.
Post by: Lucifer on June 26, 2021, 11:35:19 AM
Post by: bflynn on June 26, 2021, 04:51:56 PM
I've proved the absence of a particular state in a system with an infinite state space.
That isn't a negative proof. I'm not sure how you structured your proof, but we did something similar in proving that two infinite solutions sets could not intersect. But the way we did that was by making a positive assertion about the solution space of each set and then proving that we were right.
Post by: Lucifer on June 26, 2021, 04:59:31 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/delta-who-urges-fully-vaccinated-people-to-continue-to-wear-masks-as-variant-spreads.html
Post by: bflynn on June 26, 2021, 08:09:02 PM
My feelings haven’t changed. If you like those odds, go for it. I’ll be ok regardless of what choice you make. And in the very unlikely chance that you’re right and there are long term side effects, I’m ok there too. I did the responsible thing and I will own my choices, just like you’ll own yours.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/recent-u-s-covid-19-deaths-have-been-largely-among-the-unvaccinated-says-new-analysis-01624615932?mod=home-page
Post by: Rush on June 27, 2021, 05:24:28 AM
Meanwhile, proof that the vaccines work. Almost all of the COVID cases come from people who are not vaccinated (duh). Between 98 and 99% of them. As low as the chances were already, you are 50-100 times more likely to catch COVID if you are not vaccinated.
My feelings haven’t changed. If you like those odds, go for it. I’ll be ok regardless of what choice you make. And in the very unlikely chance that you’re right and there are long term side effects, I’m ok there too. I did the responsible thing and I will own my choices, just like you’ll own yours.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/recent-u-s-covid-19-deaths-have-been-largely-among-the-unvaccinated-says-new-analysis-01624615932?mod=home-page
I’ve already accomplished my main goal in life (reproduce) so I really don’t give a crap about “long term effects” Relatively speaking, I don’t have that much long term left anyway.
But if I were a young male I would definitely not get vaccinated until I knew more about this cardiac thing.
You’re old, you risk dying from covid. You’re young, you don’t but you have a higher risk than old people of autoimmune heart inflammation. No thank you. Not now that the disease itself is disappearing.
Post by: Lucifer on June 27, 2021, 05:34:54 AM
I’ve already accomplished my main goal in life (reproduce) so I really don’t give a crap about “long term effects” Relatively speaking, I don’t have that much long term left anyway.
But if I were a young male I would definitely not get vaccinated until I knew more about this cardiac thing.
You’re old, you risk dying from covid. You’re young, you don’t but you have a higher risk than old people of autoimmune heart inflammation. No thank you. Not now that the disease itself is disappearing.
Many have already had Covid (myself included) and our bodies immunity system takes care of the rest. No need to get an experimental vaccine.
But hey, you know, “the science” and all.
BTW, many people who have been vaccinated are getting Covid anyway, but not many reports of people getting Covid a second time.
The Branch Covidians are salivating over the “delta variant” and are praying we can get yet another round of lockdowns, masking, social distancing and of course “stimulus payments”, and the megalomaniac leader Pope Tony is leading the charge. He misses his limelight of being the media darling.
Sydney Australia has just introduced yet another draconian lockdown.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 27, 2021, 05:49:13 AM
Quote
Simply put: As we prevent three deaths by vaccinating, we incur two deaths.The quote is at the top of page 5
https://t.co/6X88V7s1CY?amp=1 (https://t.co/6X88V7s1CY?amp=1)
The original tweet
https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1408923674267164673?s=20 (https://twitter.com/justin_hart/status/1408923674267164673?s=20)
Post by: nddons on June 27, 2021, 05:52:20 AM
Many have already had Covid (myself included) and our bodies immunity system takes care of the rest. No need to get an experimental vaccine.The Subjects of the Crown across the globe all seem perfectly willing to allow their freedoms to be taken away by their MPs and PMs.
But hey, you know, “the science” and all.
BTW, many people who have been vaccinated are getting Covid anyway, but not many reports of people getting Covid a second time.
The Branch Covidians are salivating over the “delta variant” and are praying we can get yet another round of lockdowns, masking, social distancing and of course “stimulus payments”, and the megalomaniac leader Pope Tony is leading the charge. He misses his limelight of being the media darling.
Sydney Australia has just introduced yet another draconian lockdown.
Fuck that. I don’t think America will stand for that again. We are virtually back to normal in Wisconsin (intransigent teachers unions and university regents notwithstanding) and I don’t see us going back to being subjected to governmental terrorists any more.
Come to OSH in 3 weeks if you want to feel normal again.
Post by: Lucifer on June 27, 2021, 06:00:48 AM
The Subjects of the Crown across the globe all seem perfectly willing to allow their freedoms to be taken away by their MPs and PMs.
Fuck that. I don’t think America will stand for that again. We are virtually back to normal in Wisconsin (intransigent teachers unions and university regents notwithstanding) and I don’t see us going back to being subjected to governmental terrorists any more.
Come to OSH in 3 weeks if you want to feel normal again.
We are back to normal here, and everywhere else I’ve been. I haven’t been to any of the DCP controlled areas yet.
The “delta variant” is hoped by the Branch Covidians to revive their Covid culture.
I agree with you, people in this country have had enough and will fight back.
Have fun at Oshkosh this year.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 27, 2021, 08:44:28 AM
It isn't the FDA that is deplatforming anyone, nor any medical agency that I'm aware of. That's being done by Leftists who operate their lives out of fear, jealousy and guilt. If you conflate the politics of the Left wanting to control with the ineptness of large bureaucracies, then I can understand confusion on the matter, but really they're different things.
No, it's gone well past trial into use.
Long term...is long term. Nobody really know what the impact of any particular new treatment is long term, because it's new. However there are no indications right now of any issues and I'd like to think that if there were, they would have started to manifested by now.
There's no question the vaccines work. There's roughly 4100 breakthrough cases out of 150 million fully vaccinated people - 0.002% or 0.00002.
Historically, there has never been a vaccine that had hidden effects that didn't show up in at least some of the population within a year. If there are long term effects, we should have seen some kind of trend by now, but there's just nothing there.
Is that proof of a negative? No, a negative cannot be proven and there will never be proof of no long term effects...unless you want to define how long "long term" is and wait for that time to pass. However, it is showing that nothing has happened yet and that's the best that can be accomplished right now. Unless you're going to go to conspiracy and insist that the reason we can't see that there's nothing there is because it's all been hidden from us by "them".
I've worked in govt jobs in the past. Trust me, nobody in the government is interested in hiding anything because nobody want to put their job or retirement at risk. You can barely get those people to do their jobs, let alone get them to be involved in a massive conspiracy that magically never leaks. I mean, 3 people knew about Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton and two of them were involved in the act. That still leaked. A government trying to hide all the evidence of a vaccine problem? No, there are way too many people involved.
Medical agencies have been complicit in downplaying or covering up alternative treatments and vaccine side effects.
Politics of the left and ineptness of large bureaucracies? Check. They richly have earned our distrust. Huge factor in falling in with anything coming down the pike from them for years to come now.
Yes, it’s new. But it’s not a “treatment.” It’s not even technically a vaccine.
“No indications of any issues?” Have you not been looking at all sides of this thing, including the many doctors and journalists putting their careers on the line to speak out? Have you not read any of the links in this very thread and in other threads about the effects showing up and the shifting narrative generated therefrom?
For you to say that “there’s nothing there” shows a level of two-dimensional thinking and lack of research.
My iPad is stuffed with links and videos and my husband and I discuss this issue endlessly. We are not fools. You may say I should not trust what I’m reading but if you did, you’d be dismissing actual experts in the field of virology and medicine.
I’m very surprised you’d say repeatedly in your post that “there’s nothing there.” There is.
Post by: Number7 on June 27, 2021, 11:23:50 AM
Post by: bflynn on June 27, 2021, 02:55:37 PM
Yes, it’s new. But it’s not a “treatment.” It’s not even technically a vaccine.
Well, if you want to argue semantics, then have at it. We all call them vaccines and I don't think naming it different really matters. If you prefer, you can call them treatments, but you've got a long road getting everyone in the country on board with that.
“No indications of any issues?” Have you not been looking at all sides of this thing, including the many doctors and journalists putting their careers on the line to speak out?
For you to say that “there’s nothing there” shows a level of two-dimensional thinking and lack of research.
Two dimensional? Nonsense. Of course there are some people that have issues after getting the vaccine. For example, there have been 616 reports of heart issues from people under the age of 30 as of a few days ago. But the correct reaction isn't "OMG, people are having problems", it should be "What's the odds this would have happened without the vaccine?" We EXPECT to see this issue in people under 30 because it occurs in the general population, including in the young. If all you know is that it's happening without reference to a non-vaccine rate, then you've been lied to again by the media. Always remember that their business success is tied to their ability to manufacture drama, so telling you facts (there are vaccinated people having problems!) without telling you all the information (the number of people is not larger than what we would expect without a vaccine) is effectively a lie.
The naturally occurring incident rate for people between 15 and 30 appears to be about 30 per million per year. Roughly 32.5 million people in this group have been vaccinated, so we should expect around 950 of them to develop heart problems this year. If anything, the rate reported is low and we can be grateful that the media's drama around this has led to people being made aware of the issue so they can look into it - otherwise most people don't discover the issue until it's too late.
A 2007 study to use as a reference. https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/165/5/570/67614
That is my research. Do you think that is two dimensional because I don't agree with you or because you don't understand why I say there doesn't appear to be anything there. The number of problems reported does not support the conclusion that the heart problems were caused by the vaccine.
BTW, this is a far more complex topic that this just scratches the surface. For example, myocarditis and pericarditis is more common with hepatitis, which has been on the rise in the US, so we should expect that to increase the number of cases we see. But how much would require weeks of research and frankly I don't have the desire to dig into it that much.
My iPad is stuffed with links and videos and my husband and I discuss this issue endlessly. We are not fools. You may say I should not trust what I’m reading but if you did, you’d be dismissing actual experts in the field of virology and medicine.
You should post those, although I don't think I will ever watch an ipad full of videos. There are just more important things to do. How about if you post the most convincing one, the one that the Leftists are completely ignoring, but which breaks apart the claim that the vaccines are safe. But make it a good one because I will call out any unsupported claims in it.
I’m very surprised you’d say repeatedly in your post that “there’s nothing there.” There is.
I'm not from Missouri, but I'm very much "show me". There are people here who just stir the pot and others who post wild claims without really understand the topic. The issue of side effects from the vaccines is one of them. I cannot believe that anybody working for the CDC is "covering up" vaccine issues because doing so would cost them their careers. Like I've said before, you can barely get a lot of these people to do their jobs, you have zero hope of getting them to lie for you.
You cannot just tell someone "there's a problem", especially in light of what I wrote above showing from the standpoint of basic science that there probably isn't. I trust that if there is an issue, someone will show the science convincingly, in a way that cannot be ignored. After all, you have their videos, so they aren't being silenced.
Post by: Lucifer on June 27, 2021, 03:20:50 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9730559/Epidemiologist-warns-Indian-Delta-variant-blown-US.html
The Branch Covidians are about to jizz themselves at the prospects of another scamdemic.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 27, 2021, 05:13:49 PM
...
For example, there have been 616 reports of heart issues from people under the age of 30 as of a few days ago.
...
The naturally occurring incident rate for people between 15 and 30 appears to be about 30 per million per year. Roughly 32.5 million people in this group have been vaccinated, so we should expect around 950 of them to develop heart problems this year.
...
I think you forgot to take into account that the time span of alleged vaccination heart problem events is less than a year. A crude first approximation is half a year of vaccinations for that cohort. So using your figure one should expect somewhere around 475 heart problems in the natural course of things for the half year - so 616 events in the same time span is slightly higher than one would expect.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 27, 2021, 07:37:12 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/03-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf
Mysterious illnesses spike when vaccines started.
(http://)
Post by: Lucifer on June 28, 2021, 05:47:18 AM
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/06/debunking_the_scaremongering_over_the_delta_variant_of_covid.html
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 28, 2021, 07:01:18 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/make-wish-foundation-announces-will-help-fully-vaccinated-children-video/
They backed down.
https://nationalfile.com/make-a-wish-foundation-backs-down-and-decides-not-to-mandate-vaccines-for-wish-kids/
Post by: Lucifer on June 28, 2021, 07:25:59 AM
They backed down.
https://nationalfile.com/make-a-wish-foundation-backs-down-and-decides-not-to-mandate-vaccines-for-wish-kids/
Everyone needs to keeping pushing back on the Branch Covidians like this.
Post by: Lucifer on June 28, 2021, 10:22:24 AM
Quote
Rosemont Seneca Technology Partners – an investment firm led by Hunter Biden – was a lead financial backer of Metabiota, a pandemic tracking and response firm that has partnered with Peter Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance and the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Rosemont Seneca Technology Partners (RSTP) was an offshoot of Rosemont Capital, an investment fund founded by Biden and John Kerry’s stepson in 2009, that counted Biden as a Managing Director.
Among the companies listed on archived versions of the firm’s portfolio is Metabiota, a San Francisco-based company that purports to detect, track, and analyze emerging infectious diseases, The National Pulse can reveal.
Financial reports reveal that RSTP led the company’s first round of funding, which amounted to $30 million. Former Managing Director and co-founder of RSTP Neil Callahan – a name that appears many times on Hunter Biden’s hard drive – also sits on Metabiota’s Board of Advisors.
(https://thenationalpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2021-06-25-at-11.35.04-AM-560x324.png)
Since 2014, Metabiota has been a partner of EcoHealth Alliance as part of the U.S. Agency for International Development’s (USAID) “PREDICT” project, which seeks to “predict and prevent global emerging disease threats.”
As part of this effort, researchers from Metabiota, EcoHealth Alliance, and the Wuhan Institute of Virology collaborated on a study relating to bat infectious diseases in China. “Sensitive and broadly reactive RT-PCR assays were performed at Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences,” the paper notes.
The proximity between Hunter Biden and COVID-19’s origins are almost too convenient.
Among the researchers listed on the aforementioned 2014 paper are “bat lady” Shi Zhengli, the Director of the Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases at the Chinese Communist Party’s Wuhan Lab. The disgraced Peter Daszak – recently recused from the Lancet COVID-19 commission due to several conflicts of interest as a “longtime collaborator” of the Wuhan Institute of Virology – is also listed as an author.
Daszak is also a figure central to the potential origins of COVID-19. His EcoHealth Alliance funneled taxpayer dollars from Anthony Fauci’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) to collaborate on bat coronavirus research in Wuhan.
(https://thenationalpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2021-06-25-at-12.35.54-PM-560x442.png)
Researchers from EcoHealth Alliance and Metabiota have also collaborated on presentations on how to “live safely with bats” and studies linking emerging infectious disease outbreaks to wildlife trade facilities including “wet markets.”
“Wildlife trade can facilitate zoonotic disease transmission and represents a threat to human health and economies in Asia, highlighted by the 2003 SARS coronavirus outbreak, where a Chinese wildlife market facilitated pathogen transmission,” the 2016 paper notes.
Researchers from Metabiota have also been listed alongside EcoHealth Alliance personnel on a 2014 study on henipavirus spillover, 2014 study on Ebola monitoring, 2015 study focusing on herpes, and 2015 study on viral diversity.
Beyond the ties to EcoHealth Alliance, Metabiota has also been embroiled in controversy for “bungling” America’s response to Ebola.
“An American company that bills itself as a pioneer in tracking emerging epidemics made a series of costly mistakes during the 2014 Ebola outbreak that swept across West Africa — with employees feuding with fellow responders, contributing to misdiagnosed Ebola cases and repeatedly misreading the trajectory of the virus,” an Associated Press (AP) investigation into the company found.
The company reportedly made the “already chaotic situation worse,” prompting World Health Organization officials to criticize the company:
Emails obtained by AP and interviews with aid workers on the ground show that some of the company’s actions made an already chaotic situation worse.
WHO outbreak expert Dr. Eric Bertherat wrote to colleagues in a July 17, 2014, email about misdiagnoses and “total confusion” at the Sierra Leone government lab Metabiota shared with Tulane University in the city of Kenema. He said there was “no tracking of the samples” and “absolutely no control on what is being done.”
“This is a situation that WHO can no longer endorse,” he wrote.
In April 2021, Joe Biden’s USAID announced a new initiative spearheaded by EcoHealth Alliance to track emerging infectious diseases with pandemic potential. Also collaborating on the taxpayer-funded venture is Metabiota, whose researchers have been listed as authors on papers from June 2021 relating to coronavirus surveillance in Africa.
Post by: Lucifer on June 28, 2021, 10:25:52 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 29, 2021, 05:30:14 AM
Post by: Rush on June 29, 2021, 05:53:51 AM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/china-discussed-making-bioweapons-to-target-races-covertly-launching-attack-with-asymptomatic-spread-report
Well that certainly was prophetic:
“The science and technology of synthetic biology are spreading rapidly and synthetic DNA technology has already become a basic tool of biological research; the related reagents and equipment are becoming ever easier to obtain. Accidental mistakes in biotech laboratories can place mankind in great danger. Synthetic biology in some civilian biotechnology research and applications may unintentionally give rise to new, highly hazardous man-made pathogens with unforeseeable consequences.”
Post by: Lucifer on June 29, 2021, 07:15:34 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 29, 2021, 09:42:52 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 29, 2021, 01:49:16 PM
Post by: Lucifer on June 29, 2021, 05:56:22 PM
Post by: Lucifer on June 29, 2021, 06:00:28 PM
(https://assets.lifesitenews.com/images/made/images/remote/https_www.lifesitenews.com/images/local/dossier29621_810_500_75_s_c1.jpg)
Quote
June 29, 2021 (The Dossier) – You wouldn’t know it by following the corporate press and the usual suspects who traffic in endless amounts of COVID Mania fear mongering, but the actual data on the much hyped Delta variant (sometimes referred to as the Indian variant) that you keep hearing about doesn’t fit the “deadly” virus narrative that is being advertised to the public.
Don’t take it from me. Here’s the data straight from the U.K. government, which is tracking this mutation as sporting a case fatality rate of 0.1%.
(https://assets.lifesitenews.com/images/made/images/remote/https_www.lifesitenews.com/images/local/https___bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com_public_images_e3359066-11bf-474f-b0f1-45ee17f726e9_2590x1044_1456_587_75_s_c1.jpeg)
Now, a case fatality rate (CFR) is many times higher than the actual death rate (infection fatality rate, or IFR), because the vast majority of COVID-19 cases go undetected. Through my previous reporting, I’ve found that the World Health Organization runs its numbers based on the estimate that 1 in 20 cases are detected, while the CDC bases its estimates on a 1 in 10 ratio.
In plain english, this means that based on CDC and WHO guidelines, the Delta variant’s death rate is actually significantly lower than the 0.1% number that appears in the U.K. government docs.
Post by: bflynn on June 30, 2021, 02:32:13 AM
Pages 27 and 28, expected cases of heart issues vs. observed.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-06/03-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=1992)
This slide seems to indicate that there is something going on. Depending on your view, you could say "It's 10 times worse!" or "The occurrence rate for young boys went from .00000588 to .0000674". I'm curious but not really alarmed to see that we've discovered an additional 120 cases out of 2+million doses. Yes, it's not trivial if you're one of those 132 families affected. It is trivial if you're one of the 2,039,739 who were not.
Two thoughts -
1) How does this happen? What is the path that could lead the production of a protein cell to cause heart inflammation? These seem very disconnected, so the cause is still something to understand.
2) Is it possible the expected value is wrong? Have we had 132 cases out of 2 million boys all along, but we never detected them until the heightened scrutiny of a vaccine caused us to look closely?
Where is the data for the other genders? Shame on the CDC
Post by: Rush on June 30, 2021, 05:13:32 AM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=1992)
This slide seems to indicate that there is something going on. Depending on your view, you could say "It's 10 times worse!" or "The occurrence rate for young boys went from .00000588 to .0000674". I'm curious but not really alarmed to see that we've discovered an additional 120 cases out of 2+million doses. Yes, it's not trivial if you're one of those 132 families affected. It is trivial if you're one of the 2,039,739 who were not.
Two thoughts -
1) How does this happen? What is the path that could lead the production of a protein cell to cause heart inflammation? These seem very disconnected, so the cause is still something to understand.
2) Is it possible the expected value is wrong? Have we had 132 cases out of 2 million boys all along, but we never detected them until the heightened scrutiny of a vaccine caused us to look closely?
Where is the data for the other genders? Shame on the CDC
There is some genetic predisposition in the ones who get the heart inflammation, is my guess. That’s not saying the vaccine didn’t cause it. Just because you have a predisposition doesn’t mean it will ever manifest in your lifetime. Something has to trigger it. I have a genetic predisposition to cleft lip and palate but it never happened to me, nor will.
I have a predisposition to allergies too. I’m highly allergic to nickel but if I never came into contact with it, I would never have known it. This particular protein is like that with these kids. That’s my theory anyway.
Lol your green comment.
Post by: bflynn on June 30, 2021, 08:04:49 AM
From what I read, it's a temporary reaction for most people, the issues goes away in a few days.
Post by: Lucifer on July 01, 2021, 11:38:02 AM
https://summit.news/2021/07/01/fauci-there-are-now-two-americas-the-vaccinated-and-the-unvaccinated/
Post by: Lucifer on July 01, 2021, 11:43:45 AM
Post by: Anthony on July 02, 2021, 05:46:38 PM
The Quack desperately wants relevance.
https://summit.news/2021/07/01/fauci-there-are-now-two-americas-the-vaccinated-and-the-unvaccinated/
Fucking Fauci. He needs to go away.
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2021, 04:56:00 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2021, 05:45:38 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 06, 2021, 04:58:07 AM
Post by: Rush on July 06, 2021, 05:29:16 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 06, 2021, 05:43:12 AM
That’s exactly what happened, it’s all about hating Trump. That’s what destroyed my faith in the American medical community. I had hoped doctors would be objective but I guess they’re only human after all.
The doctors and medical researcher that spoke out in support of HCQ and other drugs were censored and cancelled by the communist in order to drive the narrative. Gov agencies like the CDC and NIH fell into line, thus destroying all credibility.
The damage is done, this is why no one that uses critical thinking skills will listen to these gov officials anymore.
BTW, Pope Tony is now on yet another campaign to mask everyone again.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 06, 2021, 06:32:41 AM
I’m sure it was nothing to do with President Trump
Post by: Rush on July 06, 2021, 06:37:02 AM
The doctors and medical researcher that spoke out in support of HCQ and other drugs were censored and cancelled by the communist in order to drive the narrative. Gov agencies like the CDC and NIH fell into line, thus destroying all credibility.
The damage is done, this is why no one that uses critical thinking skills will listen to these gov officials anymore.
BTW, Pope Tony is now on yet another campaign to mask everyone again.
They even seemed to get my doctor who at the very first was supportive of HCQ but then later said he thinks it doesn't work. I don't know how he came to that except as you say, the evidence it works has been suppressed. He is near retirement and wants to avoid legal issues so I'm thinking he decided to stick with the "official" recommendations for fear of reprisal, which there have been for doctors not following the annointed groupthink.
Post by: Lucifer on July 06, 2021, 06:39:55 AM
They even seemed to get my doctor who at the very first was supportive of HCQ but then later said he thinks it doesn't work. I don't know how he came to that except as you say, the evidence it works has been suppressed. He is near retirement and wants to avoid legal issues so I'm thinking he decided to stick with the "official" recommendations for fear of reprisal, which there have been for doctors not following the annointed groupthink.
The medical community is tight knit, and for those who don't go along find themselves as outcast.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 06, 2021, 07:03:13 AM
The medical community is tight knit, and for those who don't go along find themselves as outcast.
That is likely constricting my adored liberal family member who just became a doctor. She worked hard to get there, and now we see that doctors who look at all sides of an issue (which definitely I want any doctor of mine to do) being demonized, dismissed, censored, and deplatformed.
If those in charge of granting a license to practice are offended, poof goes the career that in my adored relative’s case took her 17 years to reach. And that’s just to her residency, which began last month.
Post by: Lucifer on July 06, 2021, 07:05:26 AM
That is likely constricting my adored liberal family member who just became a doctor. She worked hard to get there, and now we see that doctors who look at all sides of an issue (which definitely I want any doctor of mine to do) being demonized, dismissed, censored, and deplatformed.
If those in charge of granting a license to practice are offended, poof goes the career that in my adored relative’s case took her 17 years to reach. And that’s just to her residency, which began last month.
Exactly. Go against the group think and life can become very difficult for the average physician.
We've allowed toxic politics and ideology to seep in our society on so many levels.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 06, 2021, 07:21:01 AM
Quote
Science Fact check: What do we know about the coronavirus delta variant?
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-what-do-we-know-about-the-coronavirus-delta-variant/a-57949754
Post by: Rush on July 06, 2021, 08:18:54 AM
https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-what-do-we-know-about-the-coronavirus-delta-variant/a-57949754
I think we have greatly hurt ourselves rather than helped ourselves by sequencing and obsessing about variants and attempting to defeat a virus with policy like social distancing and lockdowns and masks. As a species we would be much better off letting it run its natural evolutionary course. It will eventually evolve down to a nuisance virus like the common cold or it’ll kill a bunch of us and leave the rest of us with stronger immune systems.
The worst thing we could have done is what we did and are still doing: committing needless economic suicide with policies that obviously haven’t stopped the virus but have created an slew of disastrous unintended consequences.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 06, 2021, 08:24:24 AM
I think we have greatly hurt ourselves rather than helped ourselves by sequencing and obsessing about variants and attempting to defeat a virus with policy like social distancing and lockdowns and masks. As a species we would be much better off letting it run its natural evolutionary course. It will eventually evolve down to a nuisance virus like the common cold or it’ll kill a bunch of us and leave the rest of us with stronger immune systems.
a recent article in the Boston Herald (actual newspaper, sorry, don't have a url...I'll have to try to find it...) quoted some medical professionals at Tufts (iirc) who discussed how all the masks and distancing have reduced natural immunity to various respiratory viruses, including the common cold and influenza... as a result we can expect more severe cold, etc during the next season.
The worst thing we could have done is what we did and are still doing: committing needless economic suicide with policies that obviously haven’t stopped the virus but have created an slew of disastrous unintended consequences.
The only thing important to the dimwits was the intended consequence of doing anything and everything to prevent President Trump from being re-elected.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 06, 2021, 08:55:08 AM
The only thing important to the dimwits was the intended consequence of doing anything and everything to prevent President Trump from being re-elected.Absolutely, this was no accident. It was on purpose.
Post by: Rush on July 10, 2021, 06:36:19 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 10, 2021, 09:09:34 AM
Post by: Anthony on July 10, 2021, 11:14:28 AM
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/comedy-when-biden-admin-knocks-on-your-door/
I wonder if they'll show up when I'm cleaning my M1 Garand on the front porch.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 10, 2021, 12:13:48 PM
I wonder if they'll show up when I'm cleaning my M1 Garand on the front porch.
They might not know what the M1 Garand is, but don't have an umbrella.
(that might be a reference that is just a bit too obscure...)
Post by: Lucifer on July 10, 2021, 12:39:43 PM
Post by: Little Joe on July 10, 2021, 01:47:22 PM
https://uncoverdc.com/2021/07/10/with-feds-help-moderna-forecasts-record-revenue-of-19-2b/Great!
I didn't even realize it till my advisor suggested I sell some last month to take some profits. But I still have around 400 shares left.
Post by: nddons on July 12, 2021, 09:06:01 AM
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/comedy-when-biden-admin-knocks-on-your-door/Gold!
Post by: Lucifer on July 13, 2021, 06:15:13 AM
Post by: Rush on July 13, 2021, 07:02:39 AM
https://www.studyfinds.org/covid-19-cure-ivermectin/
Also high dose vitamin D therapy is saving lives. But the government/corporate alliance doesn’t want us to know about these treatments. They want to push the vaccines because control over us, and $$$$$.
People of color are disproportionately affected by covid, why is that? Part of it may be that when you have darker skin you don’t manufacture vitamin D from sunlight as easily. High levels of vitamin D are directly associated with more functional immune systems, less incidences of the deadly cytokine storm, more resistance against cancer and general better health.
Getting your D up before you even get sick seems to have a protective effect, yet the government and media don’t want us to know that. It is especially harmful to withhold this information from black and Hispanic people. Once again the left preach from their moral high ground about racism while they are the ones doing the most damage to minority races.
Post by: Lucifer on July 13, 2021, 07:10:21 AM
Also high dose vitamin D therapy is saving lives. But the government/corporate alliance doesn’t want us to know about these treatments. They want to push the vaccines because control over us, and $$$$$.
People of color are disproportionately affected by covid, why is that? Part of it may be that when you have darker skin you don’t manufacture vitamin D from sunlight as easily. High levels of vitamin D are directly associated with more functional immune systems, less incidences of the deadly cytokine storm, more resistance against cancer and general better health.
Getting your D up before you even get sick seems to have a protective effect, yet the government and media don’t want us to know that. It is especially harmful to withhold this information from black and Hispanic people. Once again the left preach from their moral high ground about racism while they are the ones doing the most damage to minority races.
The whole Pope Tony worship, the mask cult and the vax cult coupled with the obvious misinformation, and false information being peddled by the Big Tech and the government is disturbing.
Post by: Anthony on July 13, 2021, 07:32:46 AM
The whole Pope Tony worship, the mask cult and the vax cult coupled with the obvious misinformation, and false information being peddled by the Big Tech and the government is disturbing.
We have professionally done, canned propaganda announcements over the PA at work to get vaccinated. It is creepy. The entire Covid campaign is scary.
It's like we're in a 70s dystopian movie with no Charlton Heston to save us. What's next? Apes? Soylent Biden? Omega Men?
Post by: Number7 on July 13, 2021, 07:39:24 AM
That's better than a 99.987 percent survival rate.
Why is the communist party (democrats and asshole RINOs) obsessed with forced vaccination?
It's about shredding the bill of rights once and for all.
The bill of rights is the only thing standing between us and mass purges, executions without reason, and repression exactly like north korea and your friendly neighborhood (asshole) democrats are full on board with it.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 13, 2021, 08:34:21 AM
Post by: nddons on July 13, 2021, 11:08:44 AM
Been taking D since the beginning of this.Me too. 10,000 IUs of D3.
Post by: jb1842 on July 13, 2021, 01:17:39 PM
Post by: Rush on July 13, 2021, 01:31:40 PM
If you actually come down with symptoms of covid, try 60,000 IUs per DAY for 8-10 days:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34017029/
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 13, 2021, 01:48:21 PM
I take 5000 per day plus another 50,000 once a week.
If you actually come down with symptoms of covid, try 60,000 IUs per DAY for 8-10 days:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34017029/
That’s been promoted for years by alternative medicine doctors, and they call it the “Vitamin D hammer.”
I’ve seen it at 30,000 IUs per day for three days.
Rush, did you get your second shot?
Wait, should we be discussing this? The censors don’t like it.
Post by: Rush on July 13, 2021, 02:57:04 PM
That’s been promoted for years by alternative medicine doctors, and they call it the “Vitamin D hammer.”
I’ve seen it at 30,000 IUs per day for three days.
Rush, did you get your second shot?
Wait, should we be discussing this? The censors don’t like it.
No I did not yet but I had a couple things come up. First I had a molar drilled down and a temporary put on and didn’t want to feel sick from the second shot so I wanted to get past that. Then, I got a retina detachment last week and had a laser procedure. That has me traumatized. Have you ever had hot lasers burn the back of your eyeball repeatedly for fifteen minutes? Fun. No way in hell I’m going to voluntarily make myself feel sick while I’m still decompressing from that.
I’m under instructions to look for this and that symptom and come in on an emergency basis if needed. So again, I don’t want to get the second shot and be feeling like shit and have to go deal with more retina welding. It’s very fatiguing. So now I’m going to wait til my followup next week to see what the eye doctor says. Only if it looks real stable and she says I’m likely safe from more detachment will I consider getting the second shot. I still need to go back for my crown too.
I’ve been getting messages that I’m due for it but I’m ignoring them. I still haven’t decided for sure if I’ll even get it. If I get covid now, the odds I’ll need hospitalization or die are extremely low. I’m kind of not seeing the point. Only my fear that we are going to end up being banned from flying if not “fully” vaccinated has me considering it, because mom is 94 and if she dies I’m going to have to fly back east in a hurry. I want to avoid any “imperial entanglements”, if you’re nerd enough to get that.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 13, 2021, 02:59:50 PM
... I want to avoid any “imperial entanglements”, if you’re nerd enough to get that.
sadly, yes, I get it
but that's not the purpose of this reply.
Just to say I'm hoping that you get through all the stuff ok.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 13, 2021, 03:06:35 PM
No I did not yet but I had a couple things come up. First I had a molar drilled down and a temporary put on and didn’t want to feel sick from the second shot so I wanted to get past that. Then, I got a retina detachment last week and had a laser procedure. That has me traumatized. Have you ever had hot lasers burn the back of your eyeball repeatedly for fifteen minutes? Fun. No way in hell I’m going to voluntarily make myself feel sick while I’m still decompressing from that.So very sorry you are having to deal with these things.
I’m under instructions to look for this and that symptom and come in on an emergency basis if needed. So again, I don’t want to get the second shot and be feeling like shit and have to go deal with more retina welding. It’s very fatiguing. So now I’m going to wait til my followup next week to see what the eye doctor says. Only if it looks real stable and she says I’m likely safe from more detachment will I consider getting the second shot. I still need to go back for my crown too.
I’ve been getting messages that I’m due for it but I’m ignoring them. I still haven’t decided for sure if I’ll even get it. If I get covid now, the odds I’ll need hospitalization or die are extremely low. I’m kind of not seeing the point. Only my fear that we are going to end up being banned from flying if not “fully” vaccinated has me considering it, because mom is 94 and if she dies I’m going to have to fly back east in a hurry. I want to avoid any “imperial entanglements”, if you’re nerd enough to get that.
Post by: Rush on July 13, 2021, 03:20:58 PM
sadly, yes, I get it
but that's not the purpose of this reply.
Just to say I'm hoping that you get through all the stuff ok.
Thanks. I’m actually very grateful and thrilled that we have the technology to fix these things. I went through this nine years ago with my other eye, so if it weren’t for these procedures I would go totally blind in both eyes. And I complain about 15 minutes of discomfort. Shame on me.
Post by: Rush on July 14, 2021, 03:59:12 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/may/14/delay-in-giving-second-jabs-of-pfizer-vaccine-improves-immunity
Quote
A study led by the University of Birmingham in collaboration with Public Health England found that antibodies against the virus were three-and-a-half times higher in those who had the second shot after 12 weeks compared with those who had it after a three-week interval.
Post by: Lucifer on July 14, 2021, 09:23:08 AM
Of course, many companies are so happy to comply. France is already a couple of steps ahead on the vaccine punishments by using businesses to do the governments dirty work.
https://abc7chicago.com/vaccine-passports-lawsuit-norwegian-cruise-lines-sues-florida-cruises-covid/10886586/
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2021, 05:48:14 AM
Post by: Rush on July 15, 2021, 06:52:17 AM
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2021/07/biden-failed-on-vaccinations-bigly.html
In the comments this person put it perfectly.
Quote
If you want me to get vaccinated, stop censoring highly reputable scientists and doctors who have differing opinions. Stop worrying about doctors finding treatment protocols that will negate the emergency status of the vaccines and let them treat sick patients and publish their successful protocols. If the vaccines work, then stop the lockdowns, remove the masks, and act like they do. Stop pushing the vaccines at populations that don't need them like children and people who have already had covid-19. Be honest about the risks involved in taking the vaccine so I can make a fully-informed choice. For me, the way things stand, erring on the side of caution is to say "no, thank you". Pounding on my door or issuing threats won't help.
It was never that I was convinced the vaccine was dangerous, it was always that I feel lied to and manipulated, and why would anyone who is being lied to and manipulated trust the people doing the lying and manipulating?
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2021, 07:11:17 AM
In the comments this person put it perfectly.
It was never that I was convinced the vaccine was dangerous, it was always that I feel lied to and manipulated, and why would anyone who is being lied to and manipulated trust the people doing the lying and manipulating?
Follow the money.
The vaccination program is a multi billion dollar bonanza for the pharmaceuticals and the politicians they buy. Just imagine having a business in which the fed gov pays you for your research and development, then pays you to manufacture and distribute your product.
No advertising, no R&D cost, and guaranteed sales the equal billions of dollars. Then have those same government stooges keep the scamdemic alive so they can have the government buy even more of the product.
Oh, and never mind the needless deaths, that's just collateral damage. Make sure the government gives these pharmaceuticals immunity.
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2021, 09:10:29 AM
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/so-it-begins-alabama-military-base-is-first-in-usa-to-require-proof-of-vaccine/
(https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Covidpapers.jpg)
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2021, 09:17:40 AM
Quote
With coronavirus cases rising among the unvaccinated and efforts to get them shots lagging, there is growing belief in some public health circles that more aggressive tactics are needed to get more of the population inoculated.
...............................................
Another strategy would involve new requirements to get vaccinated, such as at workplaces, Bibbins-Domingo said. Short of that, she said, employers could require unvaccinated workers to get tested daily — an approach that has been used elsewhere around the world.
"When being vaccinated becomes the more convenient of the two options, that will drive people to be vaccinated," Bibbins-Domingo said. "You have to make it slightly less convenient to be unvaccinated at this point.
"If you choose to get tested every day, because you don't believe in vaccination, that might be fine. But I think for some, being tested every day or being tested at some very regular interval might be that the thing that says: 'Well, yeah, when I look at the risk and benefits, the vaccine is looking a little bit better.'"
Post by: Rush on July 15, 2021, 09:23:31 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2021, 09:30:07 AM
We had a gun club meeting last night and I spoke with a lady who has a relative living in Australia. She said they’ve gone completely insane there. During lockdowns they actually post guards outside peoples’ homes to make sure they don’t leave the house.
My Australian friend has told me about the lunacy there as well.
Post by: nddons on July 15, 2021, 09:31:31 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tougher-tactics-for-the-unvaccinated-needed-to-stop-new-rise-in-covid-19-experts-say/ar-AAM9026I think I saw a clip of that little power-hungry fucking Bitch. These people need to be slammed down and hard.
Post by: nddons on July 15, 2021, 09:41:40 AM
We had a gun club meeting last night and I spoke with a lady who has a relative living in Australia. She said they’ve gone completely insane there. During lockdowns they actually post guards outside peoples’ homes to make sure they don’t leave the house.Convenient since they confiscated guns there.
The utter weakness of every nation under the British Empire is just stunning and depressing. Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and even England herself are shadows of their former greatness.
Virtually every one of our Bill of Rights are virtually non-existent in the British Empire. And their subjects accept such subjugation willingly and enthusiastically.
Praise God for bringing our Founding Fathers together at a precise point in history to bring liberty to the forefront of human existence. And God, help us sustain it as it is being destroyed by enemies both foreign and domestic.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 15, 2021, 09:45:39 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 15, 2021, 09:47:20 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on July 15, 2021, 10:53:47 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tougher-tactics-for-the-unvaccinated-needed-to-stop-new-rise-in-covid-19-experts-say/ar-AAM9026Despicable
Post by: Number7 on July 15, 2021, 10:56:06 AM
https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9052-1.jpg (https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-9052-1.jpg)
https://babylonbee.com/news/popular-new-ejection-porch-automatically-launches-vaccine-evangelists-into-the-stratosphere (https://babylonbee.com/news/popular-new-ejection-porch-automatically-launches-vaccine-evangelists-into-the-stratosphere)
Post by: Anthony on July 15, 2021, 10:57:56 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tougher-tactics-for-the-unvaccinated-needed-to-stop-new-rise-in-covid-19-experts-say/ar-AAM9026
I say we need tougher tactics to battle Government/Corporate tyranny and oppression. Much tougher, like 1776 tough.
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 15, 2021, 11:33:50 AM
Post by: nddons on July 15, 2021, 12:18:26 PM
I say we need tougher tactics to battle Government/Corporate tyranny and oppression. Much tougher, like 1776 tough.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210715/bd73377ad0b6e194cae94b563016360e.jpg)
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2021, 03:09:36 PM
https://deadline.com/2021/07/los-angeles-county-requiring-masks-indoors-for-everyone-1234794072/
You know, the science.............
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 15, 2021, 03:47:41 PM
Here we go again.
https://deadline.com/2021/07/los-angeles-county-requiring-masks-indoors-for-everyone-1234794072/
You know, the science.............
Simple solution, everyone just gets vaccinated...
oh wait...
Post by: texasag93 on July 15, 2021, 04:43:03 PM
I just hope that the rule does not go state wide.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 16, 2021, 04:01:01 AM
hmmmmm
News that people don't get infected - proof that the vaccines work
News that people do get infected - proof that the vaccines work
hmmmmmm
and, yes, I know it's more complicated than that. But apparently the people writing articles for MSM don't and have zero understanding of proof.
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2021, 06:47:25 AM
Post by: texasag93 on July 16, 2021, 04:31:45 PM
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1416030047765516290
Nice!
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2021, 05:22:20 PM
Post by: Lucifer on July 16, 2021, 05:24:35 PM
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2021, 03:35:40 AM
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/grim-reality-of-life-in-australia/
I can’t get that video to play.
Now it's not shown at all. Has it been censored off the internet already? Or is it just me?
Post by: texasag93 on July 17, 2021, 05:53:24 AM
I can’t get that video to play.
Now it's not shown at all. Has it been censored off the internet already? Or is it just me?
It worked for me. Lady who is in lockdown outside of Melbourne and ranting (justifiably) about it.
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2021, 06:20:10 AM
It worked for me. Lady who is in lockdown outside of Melbourne and ranting (justifiably) about it.
Weird. I tried it in my Apple device with Safari and my PC with FireFox. On the PC it won’t even show the picture at all. That’s when I thought it had been removed altogether. I even disabled all my ad blockers. On Safari it shows the picture and the play button but when I push the play button it blinks and stops or sometimes starts but stops and goes back to the still again after she says only one word. I’ve never had this issue with any other video.
I finally got it to work in Safari by switching to mobile website. But that doesn’t explain why it wouldn’t work with Windows 10 in FireFox.
Also got it to work in Chrome. Firefox is disappointing lately, on the other hand I have heard that it is still more secure in the way of privacy than some browsers.
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2021, 06:25:04 AM
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2021, 06:44:08 AM
https://www.carlzjsoda.com/boudoir
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2021, 06:54:14 AM
https://www.facebook.com/Carlzjsodaphotographer
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2021, 06:58:33 AM
I have a good friend in Melbourne. She had a very good job in SE Asia as a airline captain. The covidiocy terminated her career (she’s 62 now). She’s had to sell off her late fathers farm to survive. She has lost 5 very lucrative years that would have funded her retirement.
These Covid tyrants need to be taken down. Unfortunately Australia fell for the gun control leftist years ago. Plus, the CCP sees Australia as a prize to be had eventually.
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2021, 07:58:04 AM
Look what happened in the US: countless small shops are dead forever because they were forced to close while Walmart could stay open.
They want us all to be slaves to corporate masters, or directly employed by a mammoth and growing government, or on the public dole. That’s it. They do NOT want self sufficient autonomous producers.
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2021, 08:00:47 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/stunning-watch-media-covered-swine-flu-vaccine-4000-reported-adverse-events-1976-compare-covid-vaccine-coverage-463000-adverse-events/
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2021, 08:01:58 AM
Australia is committing economic suicide like the US and much of the world by destroying what drives a healthy economy: small business free market competition and a healthy middle class.
Look what happened in the US: countless small shops are dead forever because they were forced to close while Walmart could stay open.
They want us all to be slaves to corporate masters, or directly employed by a mammoth and growing government, or on the public dole. That’s it. They do NOT want self sufficient autonomous producers.
Hmmmmm. What’s the CCP goals? Folks, start connecting the dots.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 17, 2021, 08:40:14 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 17, 2021, 08:49:42 AM
Jim can attest, we have a lefty on the purple board that posted about how cases have increased 300% in TN.
“Cases”. Totally meaningless.
What does matter is how many require doctor care. And even more important is the fatality rate, especially when not fabricated with the “died with Covid” vs “died from Covid”.
“Cases” is nothing more that fear mongering.
Post by: Little Joe on July 17, 2021, 10:45:49 AM
I can’t get that video to play.Are you using DuckDuckGo?
Now it's not shown at all. Has it been censored off the internet already? Or is it just me?
Quote
DuckDuckGo blocked this Facebook video
We blocked Facebook from tracking you when the page loaded. If you unblock video, Facebook will know your activity. Learn More
Post by: Anthony on July 17, 2021, 11:09:42 AM
Australia is committing economic suicide like the US and much of the world by destroying what drives a healthy economy: small business free market competition and a healthy middle class.
Look what happened in the US: countless small shops are dead forever because they were forced to close while Walmart could stay open.
They want us all to be slaves to corporate masters, or directly employed by a mammoth and growing government, or on the public dole. That’s it. They do NOT want self sufficient autonomous producers.
It's more difficult to control autonomous producers. That's why you don't here those in power, media, education etc talk about freedom and liberty anymore. Dying concepts in which they are breeding out of the populace.
Post by: Rush on July 17, 2021, 11:14:51 AM
Are you using DuckDuckGo?
Yes! I think you solved it.
It works with Chrome because I never installed DuckDuckGo as default search engine in Chome. Thanks!
Post by: Lucifer on July 20, 2021, 06:46:48 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 21, 2021, 04:34:16 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 21, 2021, 03:35:11 PM
Post by: Lucifer on July 21, 2021, 04:09:23 PM
Post by: bflynn on July 21, 2021, 04:42:43 PM
Post by: Lucifer on July 21, 2021, 05:26:19 PM
Post by: Lucifer on July 22, 2021, 03:59:31 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 22, 2021, 04:30:11 AM
My wife totally freaked out about the whole thing, asking why 911 wasn't called to take him in an ambulance. Personally, I think spinning up a paramedic team and ambulance would have been wasteful. Anyhow, I'm now in isolation in the bedroom for a bit. I can get tested this weekend to see. I fond it highly doubtful that I will have contracted it. When I got home I stripped down and rubbed myself down with sanitizer.
So here I sit.
Post by: Rush on July 22, 2021, 04:39:32 AM
A friend and his wife from my EAA Chapter caught COVID at a large church camp meeting event. She went into the hospital on Wednesday with pneumonia and is recovering expecting to go home today. He stayed home to ride it out. Yesterday he got scared a bit by going to take a shower and blacking out in the shower. He's monitored his O2 and it has never gone below 94%. He did run a fever earlier in the week. He had diarrhea, which I feel was his undoing. Probably wasn't eating well and keeping hydrated and that took him down. He finally decided he should go to the ER. Being in no shape to drive, I went to go get him. I masked up and gloved up and had him do the same. He rode in the back passenger seat on the way to the ER, about 10-15 minute ride and he got out and went into the ER.
My wife totally freaked out about the whole thing, asking why 911 wasn't called to take him in an ambulance. Personally, I think spinning up a paramedic team and ambulance would have been wasteful. Anyhow, I'm now in isolation in the bedroom for a bit. I can get tested this weekend to see. I fond it highly doubtful that I will have contracted it. When I got home I stripped down and rubbed myself down with sanitizer.
So here I sit.
I don’t remember if you’ve said whether you’re vaccinated but if you are you will have no problems. You might get it but won’t have a severe case. Might never even know you have/had it.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 22, 2021, 05:01:49 AM
I don’t remember if you’ve said whether you’re vaccinated but if you are you will have no problems. You might get it but won’t have a severe case. Might never even know you have/had it.Not vaccinated, wife is.
Post by: Rush on July 22, 2021, 05:19:32 AM
Not vaccinated, wife is.
Then I presume your wife freaked out so bad because she is worried about losing you, and not because she fears getting sick herself. ;D
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 22, 2021, 06:28:43 AM
Then I presume your wife freaked out so bad because she is worried about losing you, and not because she fears getting sick herself. ;DFunny thing is, through the last year and a half she has preached Faith over Fear to folks. She seems more pissed off about the things we can't do right now. Sometime over the weekend I'll go get tested.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 22, 2021, 07:20:30 AM
Post by: Rush on July 22, 2021, 08:22:31 AM
Randy, try the “Vitamin D hammer.” It’s 10,000 IU Vitamin D3 three times a day for three days. I’ve seen higher doses too. It’s used by doctors for all kinds of infections.
Oh, yes yes yes!
Here’s one saying 60,000 IU for 8 or 10 days depending on BMI.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34017029/
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 22, 2021, 08:42:27 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 22, 2021, 08:43:53 AM
Wow, that's a lot of D, I've been taking 1,000 a day and yesterday upped that to 2,000.
Hammer it!!! Do it!!! It will not hurt you for a short period.
Post by: Rush on July 22, 2021, 08:51:00 AM
Wow, that's a lot of D, I've been taking 1,000 a day and yesterday upped that to 2,000.
The important thing is your blood level and how much you need to achieve a certain blood level varies with a lot of factors. I was taking 5000 IU a day and my latest blood test had my level back below 70, I think it was 40. The doctor wants it way over 70 so I am adding 50,000 IU capsule once a week on top of the 5000 a day.
I also have a bottle of quercetin which I take if I begin to feel any slight symptom that could be a respiratory infection and hence covid. Quercetin does the same thing as hydroxychloroquine. But you need zinc which I get in my daily AREDS supplement.
Post by: Rush on July 22, 2021, 09:36:42 AM
• Quercetin — According to research from Appalachian State University in North Carolina, taking 500 mg to 1,000 mg of quercetin per day for 12 weeks results in “large but highly variable increases in plasma quercetin … unrelated to demographic or lifestyle factors.”41
• Zinc (and copper) — When it comes to zinc, remember that more is not necessarily better. In fact, it can backfire. When taking zinc, you also need to be mindful of maintaining a healthy zinc-to-copper ratio. As noted by Chris Masterjohn, who has a Ph.D. in nutritional sciences,42 in an article43 and series of Twitter posts:44
“In one study, 300mg/day of zinc as two divided doses of 150 mg zinc sulfate decreased important markers of immune function, such as the ability of immune cells known as polymorphonuclear leukocytes to migrate toward and consume bacteria.
The most concerning effect in the context of COVID-19 is that it lowered the lymphocyte stimulation index 3 fold. This is a measure of the ability of T cells to increase their numbers in response to a perceived threat. The reason this is so concerning in the context of COVID-19 is that poor outcomes are associated with low lymphocytes …
The negative effect on lymphocyte proliferation found with 300 mg/day and the apparent safety in this regard of 150 mg/d suggests that the potential for hurting the immune system may begin somewhere between 150-300 mg/d …
It is quite possible that the harmful effect of 300 mg/d zinc on the lymphocyte stimulation index is mediated mostly or completely by induction of copper deficiency …
The negative effect of zinc on copper status has been shown with as little as 60 mg/d zinc. This intake lowers the activity of superoxide dismutase, an enzyme important to antioxidant defense and immune function that depends both on zinc and copper …
A study done with relatively low intakes of zinc suggested that acceptable ratios of zinc to copper range from 2:1 to 15:1 in favor of zinc. Copper appears safe to consume up to a maximum of 10 mg/d.
Notably, the maximum amount of zinc one could consume while staying in the acceptable range of zinc-to-copper ratios and also staying within the upper limit for copper is 150 mg/d.”
How Much Zinc Do You Need?
Masterjohn goes into even greater detail in his zinc article, discussing maximum absorption rates and much more.45 In summary, he recommends taking 7 mg to 15 mg of zinc four times a day, ideally on an empty stomach, or with a phytate-free food.
The recommended dietary allowance in the U.S is 11 mg for adult men and 8 mg for adult women, with slightly higher doses recommended for pregnant and breastfeeding women,46 so we’re not talking about taking significantly higher dosages.
Additionally, you can take one zinc acetate lozenge per day, which will provide you with an additional 18 mg of zinc. If you’re exposed to the virus, take one additional lozenge after the exposure.
Masterjohn stresses that you’ll want to keep your total zinc intake below 150 mg per day to avoid negative effects on your immune system. He also recommends getting at least 1 mg of copper from food and supplements for every 15 mg of zinc you take.
Keep in mind that there are many food sources of zinc, so a supplement may not be necessary. I eat about three-fourths of a pound of ground bison or lamb a day, which has 20 mg of zinc. I personally don’t take any zinc supplement other than what I get from my food, which is likely in an optimal form to maximize absorption.
Post by: Lucifer on July 24, 2021, 07:32:21 AM
Quote
In an effort to help end the pandemic, an international coalition of medical experts is holding worldwide events Saturday to raise awareness about the effectiveness of ivermectin as a treatment for COVID-19.
Organizers of the World Ivermectin Day say doctors and supporters of the inexpensive FDA-approved drug will host free online and public events in over a dozen countries.
Two nonprofits—Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care (FLCCC) Alliance and the British Ivermectin Recommendation Development (BIRD) group—who have been campaigning for the off-label use of ivermectin to prevent and treat COVID-19 say the event’s focus is to let more people know that the antiparasitic drug can treat COVID-19, possibly end the pandemic, and help eliminate fear of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus.
“We have an incredibly positive and uplifting message to share: ivermectin treats and prevents COVID and it is the key to unlocking the never-ending cycle of pandemic peaks and personal restrictions and will help restart economies,” Dr. Tess Lawrie, cofounder of the BIRD group said in a press release.
Lawrie is also a co-author of a peer-reviewed meta-analysis study published in the American Journal of Therapeutics that found ivermectin to be effective against COVID-19, the disease caused by the CCP virus. Lawrie and her team concluded with a moderate level of confidence that ivermectin reduced the risk of death by an average of 62 percent, at a 95 percent confidence interval of 0.19-0.73, especially when prescribed early.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 24, 2021, 07:35:57 AM
Post by: Rush on July 24, 2021, 07:50:22 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 24, 2021, 08:01:32 AM
Post by: Little Joe on July 24, 2021, 10:03:08 AM
There’s a thread on POA about friendship and the definition of friend. You could post that a true friend would drive you to the hospital even if you have a contagious disease.That would be sort of self-congratulatory bragging. It would be better if someone else posted that.
Post by: Rush on July 24, 2021, 10:28:50 AM
That would be sort of self-congratulatory bragging. It would be better if someone else posted that.
I wasn’t actually suggesting he do that, no! You’re right. Don’t misunderstand. What I meant was that he “could” in the sense that what he did for his friend was something you’d use as a definition of a true friend. In other words, he was being a good friend and now his wife is mad at him for it.
You get covid:
Stranger: Get the hell away from me!
Acquaintance: Hope you get well soon.
Friend: Let me drive you to the hospital.
Post by: Lucifer on July 24, 2021, 11:18:10 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 25, 2021, 09:36:38 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 25, 2021, 09:45:02 AM
Update. Wife called the Urgent Care center within the health system we use to ask about when I could get tested. They told here I could come in right away. I was tested yesterday afternoon, NEGATIVE for Sars-Cov-2, Influenza A & Influenza B at this time. Of course, something could still show up for another 8-10 days. Still not believing that is going to happen. She allowed me off quarantine, she was getting tired of working so hard. 8)
But...but....the “delta variant” is highly contagious!!!!
Post by: Rush on July 25, 2021, 10:14:23 AM
Update. Wife called the Urgent Care center within the health system we use to ask about when I could get tested. They told here I could come in right away. I was tested yesterday afternoon, NEGATIVE for Sars-Cov-2, Influenza A & Influenza B at this time. Of course, something could still show up for another 8-10 days. Still not believing that is going to happen. She allowed me off quarantine, she was getting tired of working so hard. 8)
You probably picked it up while you were at that urgent care center. Now you’ll have to go back and get tested again, and again, and again....
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on July 25, 2021, 10:15:19 AM
But...but....the “delta variant” is highly contagious!!!!So is the Clap. But we don't see global lockdowns and mandated rubbers for that.
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 25, 2021, 10:26:38 AM
Post by: Rush on July 25, 2021, 10:42:43 AM
So is the Clap. But we don't see global lockdowns and mandated rubbers for that.
We didn’t even have total economic shutdowns for the 1918 Spanish flu. People somehow understood that life must go on. There is a real disconnect in the public’s mind these days about where their food and energy comes from that was probably more appreciated by past generations.
And or the politicians in charge didn’t think to weaponize a disease to perform a coup.
Post by: Anthony on July 25, 2021, 11:08:19 AM
I’m waiting for the Omega Man variant....
Anthony Zerbe agrees. ;D
Post by: Lucifer on July 25, 2021, 01:42:46 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 25, 2021, 01:53:42 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on July 25, 2021, 03:09:52 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-fauci-new-mask-mandates-active-consideration
"Political Science", that is.
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 25, 2021, 03:17:13 PM
I know some of you have done a lot of vaccine research, is there one thought to have the least possibility of side effects? I'm asking not because I want to get it as I've survived this long without it, but my DIL that is local is undergoing chemo right now and the last thing I would want is the possibility of infecting her at any point. She has had COVID, the whole family did around Christmas time and they have also been vaccinated.
This article gives what appears to be a reasonable summary of possible dangers and known side effects (and is not authored by CDC or WHO): https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison (https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison)
As a recent member of the Pfizer Borg Collective I think that one is OK.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 25, 2021, 03:19:11 PM
Follow the "science"
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-fauci-new-mask-mandates-active-consideration
"Political Science", that is.
yup - two Americas.
One with people who value freedom, honesty, integrity....
Post by: Jim Logajan on July 25, 2021, 03:35:15 PM
yup - two Americas.
One with people who value freedom, honesty, integrity....
The government is just trying to protect people from making bad decisions that harm only themselves. That’s the purpose of government.
Post by: Rush on July 25, 2021, 03:53:14 PM
I know some of you have done a lot of vaccine research, is there one thought to have the least possibility of side effects? I'm asking not because I want to get it as I've survived this long without it, but my DIL that is local is undergoing chemo right now and the last thing I would want is the possibility of infecting her at any point. She has had COVID, the whole family did around Christmas time and they have also been vaccinated.
At the time I got the shot, about a month ago, the information I had was that the Pfizer has the least side effects. I also heard that it was the most asked for if people had a choice for that very reason, and it is also slightly more effective but that’s really neither here nor there as effectiveness during the trials has a margin of error greater than the difference between the two mRNA vaccines.
I had concluded that I’d get the Pfizer and no other, even flat refused the Moderna when they approached me with the needle. BUT YMMV!!!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 25, 2021, 07:11:18 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 25, 2021, 07:15:19 PM
Post by: Rush on July 25, 2021, 07:38:52 PM
I briefly mentioned my DIL, she has a very large tumor on her liver. She spent about a week at the Mayo in Jacksonville, FL in hopes of them being able to seed the vessels on the tumor. That turned out to not be possible. She is undergoing four chemo treatments in hopes of shrinking the tumor sufficiently that they can get it out.
That doesn’t sound like a “good” cancer. :(
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 25, 2021, 07:58:21 PM
That doesn’t sound like a “good” cancer. :(It is not, not at all. We pray for a miracle.
Post by: Little Joe on July 26, 2021, 05:37:52 AM
It is not, not at all. We pray for a miracle.We will all pray for her. But she is in good hands at the Mayo.
One of our best friends developed inoperable metastatic Nasopharyngeal squamous cell carcinoma (what a mouthful). The best local physicians (and we have some very good ones) told her they were not qualified to treat her and sent her to the Mayo in Jacksonville. It was a long year of Chemo and Radiation, but she is now in complete remission with No Evidence of Disease. They say NED or No ED. We tell her is it great that she does not have erectile dysfunction.
I hope your DIL has similar results. But she will need a lot of support during the coming months. I was one of the ones that drove her 90 miles each way to and from the Mayo once or twice a week for almost the whole year.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 26, 2021, 06:27:48 AM
We will all pray for her. But she is in good hands at the Mayo.Thank you, fortunately the chemo sessions are being done locally. She has one more to do in two weeks. The current plan has them returning to Jax on September 16th for the MRI and surgery would take place on the 17th. They have a college friend that lives near the Mayo so they are able to stay with her.
One of our best friends developed inoperable metastatic Nasopharyngeal squamous cell carcinoma (what a mouthful). The best local physicians (and we have some very good ones) told her they were not qualified to treat her and sent her to the Mayo in Jacksonville. It was a long year of Chemo and Radiation, but she is now in complete remission with No Evidence of Disease. They say NED or No ED. We tell her is it great that she does not have erectile dysfunction.
I hope your DIL has similar results. But she will need a lot of support during the coming months. I was one of the ones that drove her 90 miles each way to and from the Mayo once or twice a week for almost the whole year.
Post by: Rush on July 26, 2021, 06:36:58 AM
Thank you, fortunately the chemo sessions are being done locally. She has one more to do in two weeks. The current plan has them returning to Jax on September 16th for the MRI and surgery would take place on the 17th. They have a college friend that lives near the Mayo so they are able to stay with her.
That’s what they did with my daughter. We went to MD Anderson in Houston. They staged her and designed the treatment protocol and then her local doctor implemented it. I guess Mayo will do the same for you.
Post by: Rush on July 26, 2021, 06:41:15 AM
We tell her is it great that she does not have erectile dysfunction.
Yeah, apparently that’s a thing with women. I know because I receive emails for products to improve my “performance”. I’m a bit confused about the ones promising to increase my size though...
Post by: Lucifer on July 27, 2021, 11:42:14 AM
Post by: Username on July 27, 2021, 11:53:50 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 27, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
It's no longer "follow the science." According to Chuck Schumer it's now "follow the guidance." It's your duty to obey regardless of what the actual science says.
That's all it's ever been about. Obedience.
Fauci should be the one in a DC jail facing 23 hours a day in solitary.
Post by: Rush on July 27, 2021, 12:23:58 PM
If election integrity isn't restored, it's all over; it's going to be permanent.
Post by: Lucifer on July 27, 2021, 12:42:13 PM
It's amazing how FAST this country went from a free representative republic under the unique U.S. Constitution to just another global fascist authoritarian regime not different in any essential way from Russia or China, all because the left weaponized a virus to grab power.
If election integrity isn't restored, it's all over; it's going to be permanent.
This is why you are seeing the democrat communist ramping up right now, because they are losing the narrative. They are in a sheer panic, and need to reclaim the narrative and control.
There are enough states, and more following that will push through election reform to stop the election stealing, which will result in massive losses for the DCP in the mid terms. The democrat communist have not been able to completely take control of the media and internet to control information as well, hence why we are seeing them ramp up all of the "misinformation" control measures so they can silence anyone they disagree with.
The moderate democrats as well as moderate conservatives have abandoned the democrat agendas since now it's became very obvious the purpose. The border fiasco has also caused many on both sides to reconsider.
The whole remasking, delta variant and push to vaccinate is because they know in a little over a year they lose control, so they feel if they force the issue they win.
The democrat communist believe their own bullshit, which has been a fatal trap for democrats in the past. The DCP actually believed the whole country hated Trump so bad that their engineered election steal would be cheered on for "saving our democracy". They also believed everyone was for open borders, and of course getting rid of the police.
This is why they are spewing such vitriol at the people not going along with their agenda. And as they lose more territory, they are getting more desperate.
Right now we will see which governors will cave to the democrat communist and which ones will stand in defiance. Get ready for a bunch of stuff we thought we would never see here.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 27, 2021, 01:38:38 PM
They’re quite different to one another. :)
Post by: Rush on July 27, 2021, 02:11:53 PM
You’re quite right, but it’s “sheer panic” not “shear.”
They’re quite different to one another. :)
Why you.....
Post by: jb1842 on July 27, 2021, 02:37:41 PM
Post by: Username on July 27, 2021, 04:58:38 PM
Post by: jb1842 on July 27, 2021, 05:15:31 PM
But not the actual rich. Only the middle class "rich".
Once they get their way, no one is safe.
Post by: Anthony on July 27, 2021, 05:35:42 PM
But not the actual rich. Only the middle class "rich".
That's their intent. $100K will be the new "Rich". Effing Marxist, control freaks.
Post by: Number7 on July 27, 2021, 06:17:57 PM
The dems want to lock down and let businesses fail. They want people to rely on the government for everything, then they can pander to their retarded voting base by raising taxes on the evil rich.
It was bill - the parasite that gave nuclear secrets to the north koreans in exchange for 'donations', clinton who decided that anyone who made $36,000 a year was suddenly rich.
Post by: Rush on October 19, 2021, 07:34:38 AM
My chiro told me about another practice that is prescribing them and I was considering getting in with them, but they’re a half hour away. My regular doctor is 5 mins away. Glad I called.
Could it have been pressure from his patients? Has he been reading the studies about them? I’m thrilled because I really like him and was having problems with his position last year.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 19, 2021, 07:45:43 PM
Post by: Number7 on October 19, 2021, 07:55:39 PM
;D
The correct response to those orders is: go fuck yourself with a rusty shovel blade.
The health information of citizens is private.
Remember the scam obamacare bullshit bill included privacy in its title.
Liberals are fucking morons.
Post by: Lucifer on October 20, 2021, 12:08:47 PM
Lancet COVID Origins Investigator Wins $1 Million Chinese Prize For Claiming Virus Developed Naturally.
Quote
Dr. Malik Peiris, who previously served on the Lancet medical journal’s COVID-19 origins investigation committee, received China’s “Nobel Prize” for research affirming the Chinese Communist Party’s false narrative that COVID-19 developed naturally.
Peiris, a Sri Lankan virologist working in Hong Kong, was one of 12 scientists leading the now-defunct Lancet probe into the origins of COVID-19. While the task force is no longer listed on the medical journal’s website, as it was forced to disband due to extensive conflicts of interests with the Wuhan Institute of Virology, archived web pages reveal Peiris’s participation in the effort.
Following Peiris’s stint on the task force, the Chinese Communist Party awarded him with the prize in life sciences in the 2021 Future Science Prize – dubbed China’s “Nobel Prize.” China’s top scientific honor is accompanied by a $1 million prize, which is funded by several Chinese Communist Party-linked companies such as Baidu, Hillhouse Capital, and Sequoia Capital China.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 20, 2021, 07:13:56 PM
Post by: bflynn on October 21, 2021, 02:36:53 AM
Could it have been pressure from his patients? Has he been reading the studies about them? I’m thrilled because I really like him and was having problems with his position last year.
I suspect last year there was little or no data about it and it wasn’t in the formulary. Doctors are bound by their malpractice insurance to follow a set of rules, that is part of why health care costs keep going up. If they start experimenting, they will get sued and lose.
Post by: Lucifer on October 21, 2021, 04:22:10 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on October 21, 2021, 06:27:25 AM
Wow, they're out there...
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 21, 2021, 06:28:11 AM
Had my annual dilation, my optho was talking about her husband, and his still total freak out reaction to covid. He's younger than me, and refuses to go into any indoor building that is not his home. He's not been to stores, restaurants, won't go to church, nothing. He has no serious health issues.Wow, just wow.
Wow, they're out there...
Post by: Rush on October 21, 2021, 06:54:50 AM
Had my annual dilation, my optho was talking about her husband, and his still total freak out reaction to covid. He's younger than me, and refuses to go into any indoor building that is not his home. He's not been to stores, restaurants, won't go to church, nothing. He has no serious health issues.
Wow, they're out there...
This is a psychological disorder. An acquired phobia. Mass hysteria, just like the witch hunts of the dark ages.
Post by: Mr Pou on October 21, 2021, 06:56:26 AM
This is a psychological disorder. An acquired phobia. Mass hysteria, just like the witch hunts of the dark ages.
I feel bad for her, she's a fun outgoing person and they used to hang with friends and have lots of activities. Now for her, it's just work and home.
Post by: Lucifer on October 22, 2021, 05:43:56 AM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=2297;image)
https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-warn-that-if-children-between-the-ages-of-5-11-arent-vaccinated-then-pfizer-executives-wont-get-their-christmas-bonuses
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on October 22, 2021, 06:46:32 AM
Had my annual dilation, my optho was talking about her husband, and his still total freak out reaction to covid. He's younger than me, and refuses to go into any indoor building that is not his home. He's not been to stores, restaurants, won't go to church, nothing. He has no serious health issues.
Wow, they're out there...
This thing has definitely exposed a lot ot people who have a hidden mental issue.
Post by: Lucifer on October 22, 2021, 03:09:35 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 23, 2021, 05:42:33 PM
Post by: Anthony on October 24, 2021, 03:02:54 AM
Had my annual dilation, my optho was talking about her husband, and his still total freak out reaction to covid. He's younger than me, and refuses to go into any indoor building that is not his home. He's not been to stores, restaurants, won't go to church, nothing. He has no serious health issues.
Wow, they're out there...
These people need to be removed from the gene pool and moved to hairy leg Biden's Korn Pop Pool.
Post by: Rush on October 24, 2021, 04:09:52 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 25, 2021, 04:21:23 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 25, 2021, 05:23:13 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 25, 2021, 08:28:54 AM
https://twitter.com/uk_patriot1/status/1452567147155234816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1452567147155234816%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcitizenfreepress.com%2Fbreaking%2Frobert-redfield-makes-stunning-admission%2F
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 25, 2021, 08:57:51 AM
wait for it....
vaccinated
duh
Post by: Lucifer on October 25, 2021, 09:00:44 AM
if most of the people in the US are vaccinated, then you'd expect that most of the people who die would be....
wait for it....
vaccinated
duh
But we are being told ad nauseum that the vaccine will keep one out of the hospital, and only result in a mild illness if infected.
So why are vaccinated dying from covid?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 25, 2021, 09:02:38 AM
So why are vaccinated dying from covid?
because everyone is dying from covid... right?
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 25, 2021, 09:52:28 AM
I thought fully vaccinated meant it kept people out of the hospital????
https://twitter.com/uk_patriot1/status/1452567147155234816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1452567147155234816%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcitizenfreepress.com%2Fbreaking%2Frobert-redfield-makes-stunning-admission%2F
Two issues:
(1) The statement “more than 40% of the people that died were fully vaccinated” could be true and yet none may have died due to Covid. They could all have been run over the proverbial Mack Truck. Basically how to mislead with a truthful statement.
(2) Over the claimed period over 60% (now up to 65%) of the population of Maryland was vaccinated. So if the vaccinated accounted for 40% of Covid deaths then that’s a win for vaccination.
That the Covid vaccines can have lethal and non-lethal consequences is not debated by anyone who pays attention - even the CDC says as much. The question is how much risk and how much benefit.
Untangling the misuse of technology by authoritarians from the promise of new medical technologies appears to be an impossible task. I’d like to defend the use of vaccines on one hand as effective and less dangerous than getting the disease but on the other hand demand that no one be forced or otherwise coerced into their use. But on this forum that distinction gets short shrift by a few vocal blowhards.
Post by: Little Joe on October 25, 2021, 09:56:57 AM
But we are being told ad nauseum that the vaccine will keep one out of the hospital, and only result in a mild illness if infected.They are not dying from Covid. They are dying with covid. Or does that argument only work if you are unvaccinated?
So why are vaccinated dying from covid?
Post by: Lucifer on October 25, 2021, 10:01:32 AM
Two issues:
(1) The statement “more than 40% of the people that died were fully vaccinated” could be true and yet none may have died due to Covid. They could all have been run over the proverbial Mack Truck. Basically how to mislead with a truthful statement.
(2) Over the claimed period over 60% (now up to 65%) of the population of Maryland was vaccinated. So if the vaccinated accounted for 40% of Covid deaths then that’s a win for vaccination.
That the Covid vaccines can have lethal and non-lethal consequences is not debated by anyone who pays attention - even the CDC says as much. The question is how much risk and how much benefit.
Untangling the misuse of technology by authoritarians from the promise of new medical technologies appears to be an impossible task. I’d like to defend the use of vaccines on one hand as effective and less dangerous than getting the disease but on the other hand demand that no one be forced or otherwise coerced into their use. But on this forum that distinction gets short shrift by a few vocal blowhards.
So the Branch Covidians were fine with every death being counted as a "covid death" even though covid wasn't the cause of death in most cases. But it did help drive the numbers and the narrative, so, means to an end.
So now when it's brought up that XX% of fully vaccinated are dying of covid, we are being told "Gee, see, it's not really that way, you know, they could just have covid but be dying of something else......"
And then of course the definition of "fully vaccinated" needs to keep changing, well, because, you know, "the science" and all.
What a shit show.
Post by: Lucifer on October 25, 2021, 10:02:25 AM
They are not dying from Covid. They are dying with covid. Or does that argument only work if you are unvaccinated?
Funny how that argument flips depending upon the narrative. See above.
Post by: Rush on October 25, 2021, 11:00:15 AM
He is now FOR hydroxychloroquine as well as ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies, and he says, he will put you on them immediately, he will not wait til you are seriously ill in the hospital. He is a believer especially in the monoclonal antibodies and in EARLY treatment.
He also believes in the vaccine. He says even with the Delta variant that breaks through the vaccine, you still are less likely to end up seriously ill or dying and he is basing this upon his first hand experience with patients and cases.
I asked about vaccine side effects. He said the pericarditis in young males is real, but is usually very easily treated and also extremely rare. He said the whole entire thing has become so wrapped up in politics that it is difficult to separate out the truth. He said, "If you don't like Biden, you don't like the vaccine. But last year, when Trump was in office if you didn't like Trump, you didn't like the vaccine."
He said you can find information on both sides all over the map and he has tried to carefully objectively get at the truth. That he is promoting the early treatments tells me he is doing that, and that he is supporting vaccines tells me he isn't being partisan one way or the other so it seems he is honestly trying to be objective.
I've never talked to him directly about his politics but if I had to guess I'd bet he's not a liberal. He is very religious and travels as a Christian missionary. He also made a reference to the government "printing money to pay for everything" so that right there tells me he has a grounding in basic economics, which is further evidence he's not a leftist.
It's moot anyway since I'm already vaccinated but it makes me feel better about my decisions. Mind you I am not saying I'm now agreeing vaccines are safe for everyone. I still think children and young people should not get them, and I still think they are being overly promoted for the wealth of mega corporations. But I think I made the right decision for me to get it. And now I feel secure knowing if I get covid he will get me early treatments.
Post by: bflynn on October 25, 2021, 11:44:37 AM
If you don't get the vaccine, you're going to catch this eventually, so let's get on with it. There's roughly 100 million people in the US that haven't had covid or the vaccine. If you could all be kind enough to catch it at once, we could get this over with in two weeks.
If you haven't got the vaccine or covid, YOU'RE the one delaying the end of the pandemic. Get a move on!
Post by: nddons on October 25, 2021, 12:21:11 PM
I just got back from seeing my doctor. This was the guy who initially in early 2020 was against hydroxychloroquine. I had a long talk with him about all of this.That’s very reassuring. And exactly how it should be. Once again, politics has fucked up common sense.
He is now FOR hydroxychloroquine as well as ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies, and he says, he will put you on them immediately, he will not wait til you are seriously ill in the hospital. He is a believer especially in the monoclonal antibodies and in EARLY treatment.
He also believes in the vaccine. He says even with the Delta variant that breaks through the vaccine, you still are less likely to end up seriously ill or dying and he is basing this upon his first hand experience with patients and cases.
I asked about vaccine side effects. He said the pericarditis in young males is real, but is usually very easily treated and also extremely rare. He said the whole entire thing has become so wrapped up in politics that it is difficult to separate out the truth. He said, "If you don't like Biden, you don't like the vaccine. But last year, when Trump was in office if you didn't like Trump, you didn't like the vaccine."
He said you can find information on both sides all over the map and he has tried to carefully objectively get at the truth. That he is promoting the early treatments tells me he is doing that, and that he is supporting vaccines tells me he isn't being partisan one way or the other so it seems he is honestly trying to be objective.
I've never talked to him directly about his politics but if I had to guess I'd bet he's not a liberal. He is very religious and travels as a Christian missionary. He also made a reference to the government "printing money to pay for everything" so that right there tells me he has a grounding in basic economics, which is further evidence he's not a leftist.
It's moot anyway since I'm already vaccinated but it makes me feel better about my decisions. Mind you I am not saying I'm now agreeing vaccines are safe for everyone. I still think children and young people should not get them, and I still think they are being overly promoted for the wealth of mega corporations. But I think I made the right decision for me to get it. And now I feel secure knowing if I get covid he will get me early treatments.
What does he think about boosters? I’m vaccinated but am not really interested in getting a booster.
Post by: Lucifer on October 25, 2021, 01:09:49 PM
That’s very reassuring. And exactly how it should be. Once again, politics has fucked up common sense.
What does he think about boosters? I’m vaccinated but am not really interested in getting a booster.
Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson&Johnson HIGHLY suggest you get boosters, early and often.
Boosters now, boosters forever.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on October 25, 2021, 01:17:04 PM
I just got back from seeing my doctor. ...
I've never talked to him directly about his politics but if I had to guess I'd bet he's not a liberal.
The fact that he's willing to discuss it rationally tells me he's not a lib.
Post by: Rush on October 25, 2021, 01:31:53 PM
That’s very reassuring. And exactly how it should be. Once again, politics has fucked up common sense.
What does he think about boosters? I’m vaccinated but am not really interested in getting a booster.
I don’t know, didn’t ask him. Dang it. I’m seeing him again in a few weeks I’ll ask him then if I remember.
Post by: jb1842 on October 25, 2021, 02:07:51 PM
Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson&Johnson HIGHLY suggest you get boosters, early and often.
Boosters now, boosters forever.
We should just give them keys to the U.S. Mint. It's all about the money.
Post by: Lucifer on October 25, 2021, 02:44:55 PM
Post by: Rush on October 25, 2021, 02:54:22 PM
https://twitter.com/AnonCitizenUK/status/1451269632636211201?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1451269632636211201%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcitizenfreepress.com%2Fbreaking%2Fthe-big-lie-about-masks%2F
Oh yeah I forgot to tell you, my doctor has a big sign out front that says “Masks are NOT required here”. Once inside there’s a smaller sign saying that if you are actively sick and coughing you may put on a mask or if you don’t want to please put a Kleenex up to your mouth when you cough. Also wash your hands.
That is a way more reasonable way to handle it!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 25, 2021, 03:41:11 PM
Post by: Anthony on October 25, 2021, 03:50:54 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 25, 2021, 03:58:25 PM
Abbott & Costello, who for those old enough to know.....
Bud: I got my vaccination. I am now protected from the virus.
Lou: Not me. No one’s gonna jab a needle in my arm.
Bud: You must.
Lou: Why?
Bud: To protect me.
Lou: From the virus?
Bud: Yes.
Lou: But I thought you said you were vaccinated.
Bud: I am.
Lou: You’re protected?
Bud: Correct.
Lou: From the virus?
Bud: Yes.
Lou: So, I don’t need a vaccination.
Bud: But you do.
Lou: Why?
Bud: To protect me.
Lou: I thought you were vaccinated.
Bud: I am.
Lou: And the vaccination protects you?
Bud: It does.
Lou: So, I don’t need to get vaccinated to protect you because you’re already protected from the virus by the vaccination you already got.
Bud: No, you must get the vaccination to protect me from the virus.
Lou: You mean the vaccination doesn’t work?
Bud: It does work.
Lou: If the vaccination works and you’re protected from the virus because you already got the vaccination then it doesn’t matter if I don’t get vaccinated.
Bud: But it does matter. Because if you don’t vaccinated you can give me the virus.
Lou: Let me see if I have this straight.
Bud: Okay.
Lou: You got the vaccination?
Bud: Yes.
Lou: The vaccination protects you from the virus?
Bud: Correct.
Lou: So, it doesn’t matter if I don’t get the vaccination because you’re already protected from the virus?
Bud: No.
Lou: Are you telling me the vaccination doesn’t work?
Bud: No, I’m telling you the vaccination does work.
Lou: Then why must I get the vaccination?
Bud: To protect me from the virus.
Lou: This doesn’t makes any sense.
Bud: But it does make sense. Why don’t you understand? Besides, you are required to get the vaccination, whether you like it or not.
Lou: What?
Bud: Everyone in America must get the vaccination.
Lou: Everyone?
Bud: Everyone. Except for a few people.
Lou: Who?
Bud: Members of Congress.
Lou: Members of Congress?
Bud: Yes.
Lou: You’re telling me everyone in America must get the vaccination except Members of Congress?
Bud: And their staff.
Lou: Their staff don’t have to get the vaccination?
Bud: Nope.
Lou: Why are Members of Congress and their staff exempt?
Bud: Because the president needs Congress to pass his spending bills.
Lou: Oh, it’s a political favor.
Bud: Of course, it is.
Lou: So, everyone in America must get the vaccination except Members of Congress and their staff?
Bud: And postal workers.
Lou: What? Postal workers don’t have to get the vaccination?
Bud: That is correct.
Lou: I’m sure I don’t want to know, but please tell me why.
Bud: Because the postal workers union endorsed the president.
Lou: Their exemption was not based on a medical reason?
Bud: No.
Lou: Not based on science?
Bud: Not hardly.
Lou: The decision is based on who voted for which candidate?
Bud: Now, you get it!
Lou: The president gets to decide who must get vaccinated and who doesn’t?
Bud: Yes.
Lou: Not a doctor, but the president decides?
Bud: That is correct.
Lou: Where does the president get his medical advice?
Bud: Probably from his wife.
Lou: Is she a doctor?
Bud: Yes.
Lou: That’s a relief.
Bud: But not a medical doctor.
Lou: She’s not a medical doctor?
Bud: No.
Lou: How many kinds of doctors are there?
Bud: Lots.
Lou: What kind of doctor is she?
Bud: E.D.
Lou: She has erectile dysfunction?
Bud: No. She has a doctorate in ED. Education.
Lou: She’s a school teacher?
Bud: Correct.
Lou: Do people call school teachers “doctor”?
Bud: Only her. And only on CNN.
Lou: The bottom line is the president gets his medical advice from his wife who is a doctor, but not a real doctor. She’s just a school teacher doctor, right?
Bud: Fauci.
Lou: Fauci? What’s a Fauci? Is that some kind of school teacher doctor?
Bud: Fauci is not a what, but a who.
Lou: Okay, who is Fauci?
Bud: He’s also advising the president.
Lou: Is he a medical doctor?
Bud: Yes.
Lou: That’s good news. So the president gets medical advice from his wife, who is not an actual doctor, and doesn’t know anything about medicine, and he also gets advice from a medical doctor. Does this medical doctor study viruses?
Bud: Yes.
Lou: Great!
Bud: And helps create viruses.
Lou: Huh? What do you mean?
Bud: Fauci is the guy who runs the office that gave money to the Chinese lab that created the virus.
Lou: Fauci gave his money to the Chinese?
Bud: No, not his money. He gave taxpayer money.
Lou: Taxpayer money?
Bud: Yup.
Lou: So the American taxpayer paid to create the virus?
Bud: You, sir, are correct.
Lou: At least Fauci told us he was doing this.
Bud: He did not.
Lou: Nobody asked him?
Bud: Yes, they did. Under oath.
Lou: And he admitted he gave taxpayer money to the Chinese lab?
Bud: No, he said he didn’t.
Lou: If he swore under oath that he did not fund the Chinese lab then how did we find out he did?
Bud: We have the papers that proved Fauci did exactly what he claimed he didn’t do.
Lou: Isn’t it illegal to lie under oath?
Bud: Yes.
Lou: Is Fauci gonna be charged with a crime?
Bud: No.
Lou: Why not?
Bud: Because some lies are good lies.
Lou: You mean like telling children there is a Santa Claus?
Bud: No, that’s an evil lie because it perpetuates the falsehood that a happily married, cisgender, white male does good deeds around the world. The good lies are the ones that support politically correct narratives, such as the Russians stole the 2016 election.
Lou: Let’s get back to the Chinese and their lab.
Bud: Okay.
Lou: The Chinese don’t like us, do they?
Bud: They do not.
Lou: And this Chinese lab is the place that could create the material used in biological weapons?
Bud: Yes.
Lou: Why on earth would Fauci give them taxpayer money?
Bud: For science.
Lou: Let me get this straight. Vaccinations work because they protect us from the virus, but unvaccinated people must get vaccinated because they can give the virus to people who are already protected from the virus because they have been vaccinated, but the vaccinated can still catch the virus even though vaccinations work.
Bud: Precisely!
Lou: And the medical doctor advising the president is the one who gave American taxpayer money to the Chinese lab that created the virus that led to the global pandemic and he lied about doing this.
Bud: Now you got it.
Lou: Fauci must be the most hated man in America.
Bud: No, no. Fauci is beloved.
Lou: This doesn’t make any sense. Who loves him?
Bud: Politicians, news media, Hollywood, big tech, and government employees who get paid to stay home during lockdowns.
Lou: And the rest of America? The workers, entrepreneurs, first responders, farmers, tradesmen, factory workers, business owners, and families? Do they like Fauci?
Bud: Not in the slightest.
Lou: Let me get back to this. Everyone in America must get vaccinated except for Members of Congress, their staff, and members of the postal workers union.
Bud: And illegal immigrants.
Lou: Huh?
Bud: Illegal immigrants are exempt from getting vaccinations.
Lou: They belong to a union, too?
Bud: Don’t be silly.
Lou: Why are illegal immigrants exempt from getting vaccinations?
Bud: Because the president wants to immediately make them citizens so they can vote for him in 2024.
Lou: Is any of this legal?
Bud: No.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 25, 2021, 07:52:52 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/09/09/usps-exempt-from-biden-vax-mandate-for-100m-workers/
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/postal-workers-exempt-from-new-vaccine-requirements-report/
Post by: bflynn on October 25, 2021, 08:42:41 PM
Post by: Anthony on October 26, 2021, 02:51:26 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 27, 2021, 01:29:34 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 28, 2021, 02:34:27 PM
Quote
With 99.7% of adults in the Irish county of Waterford having received the COVID shots, they have the highest per-capita case rate of COVID anywhere in the country. Are they now going to suggest it's the fault of the 0.3%?!
The Irish Times reported last week that with one Waterford city district at a 14-day incidence rate of 1,486 cases per 100,000 of the population, Waterford has the highest incidence rate of anywhere in Ireland. The COVID case rate is three times the national average, which in itself has been increasing steadily in recent weeks, despite 91% of Irish adults being vaccinated. However, Waterford takes the cake.
"Waterford has the highest rate of vaccination in the country with 99.7 per cent of adults over the age of 18 (as registered in the last census) fully vaccinated," reports the Irish Times. "The county has gone from having one of the lowest rates of Covid-19 infection in Ireland to one of the highest."
And no, it's not just mild cases. Ireland has the highest number of people in the hospital with COVID since March, and the trajectory is getting worse. This is with the highest vaccination rate in the EU – over 90% of those over 16 – and it's particularly bad in the most vaccinated county of Ireland. The state's chief medical officer, Dr. Tony Holohan, said he was "increasingly worried about the rising incidence of the disease nationwide" and that the primary focus "must be to protect the most vulnerable from Covid-19." He then proceeded to blame the unvaccinated! Gee, if just 9% of those over 16 in the country are unvaccinated and just 0.3% in the worst area, what percentage of the vulnerable do you think are not vaccinated?! And wasn't the vaccine designed to protect "the most vulnerable?"
At some point, there is nowhere to run or hide from the botched vaccine that not only fails to stop transmission, but causes viral immune escape and makes more virulent variants. A recent analysis of the emergent A.30 strain published in Nature shows that "the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 variant A.30 is heavily mutated and evades vaccine-induced antibodies with high efficiency." This is what happens when you "shoot at the king and miss," so to speak, by fighting a virus with weak, narrow-spectrum, and waning antibodies. We've gone backward. U.K. data already shows that the vaccinated are infected at a greater rate per capita – in some cohorts twice the rate – for every age group over 30.
Post by: Lucifer on October 28, 2021, 02:36:38 PM
Quote
In October 2018, the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health published a report that, if one didn't know better, might make readers think the authors were involved in the gain-of-function research that likely created this virus. The report, titled "Technologies to Address Global Catastrophic Biological Risks," offers novel social control and mRNA vaccination ideas to deal with emerging pandemics "whether naturally emerging or reemerging, deliberately created and released, or laboratory engineered and escaped—that could lead to sudden, extraordinary, widespread disaster beyond the collective capability of national and international organizations and the private sector to control."
One of the many bone-chilling sections in this publication (pp. 45-47) provides a blueprint for "self-spreading vaccines," described as vaccines "genetically engineered to move through populations in the same way as communicable diseases, but rather than causing disease, they confer protection."
After noting that such an idea would violate the rules of informed consent (the irony!), and possibly spread allergic reaction, they add this shocking prediction about the challenge of such technology:
Finally, there is a not insignificant risk of the vaccine virus reverting to wild-type virulence, as has sometimes occurred with the oral polio vaccine—which is not intended to be fully virulent or transmissible, but which has reverted to become both neurovirulent and transmissible in rare instances. This is both a medical risk and a public perception risk; the possibility of vaccine-induced disease would be a major concern to the public.
Whether this vaccine actually sheds the spike protein onto other people is still not yet proven (although Pfizer seems to indicate it can spread through skin-to-skin contact in "inhalation"), but the principle of mass vaccination with a faulty vaccine making a virus both more transmissible and more virulent is something that is hard to deny at this point. The reality is that more people have died from COVID-19 in 2021, with most adults vaccinated (and nearly all seniors), than in 2020 when nobody was vaccinated. Something is not adding up, and perhaps those who have been dabbling in gain-of-function research in recent years have the answer.
According to the latest Public Health England report, the only country with granular weekly data, the COVID-19 case rates are higher per capita among the vaccinated in every age group over 30. Among those in their 40s, the case rate is nearly double among the vaccinated, for a vaccine efficacy – at least against infection – of a stunning -86%.
Post by: bflynn on October 29, 2021, 04:15:01 AM
To be clear, the report is not taking about current vaccines, but rather is warning against the idea of having “contagious vaccines” that spread from one person to the next. Current vaccines are not capable of doing this, except maybe through a blood infusion.
Post by: Lucifer on October 29, 2021, 09:19:15 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 29, 2021, 09:23:28 AM
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2021, 09:27:54 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/latest-lancet-study-shows-limits-vaccines-preventing-infection-household-members
My husband and I are both vaccinated but we are getting over an extremely mild something. So mild I’m not sure it isn’t our imaginations. A few days ago I got a very mild sore throat, some barely noticeable sinus symptoms and a brief bout of laryngitis. I thought it was my normal allergies but my normal allergies never involve laryngitis and almost never a sore throat. I’m over it now but yesterday my husband said now he has the same thing.
So, did we both get covid? There is no way to ever know. I suppose we could go get a long probe rammed up our noses but f that. An antibody test should be positive anyway because of the vaccine.
Maybe we got some garden variety cold bug, not covid at all. Do those even exist anymore?
Post by: Lucifer on October 29, 2021, 09:39:59 AM
Maybe we got some garden variety cold bug, not covid at all. Do those even exist anymore?
No, the magic of covid is all respiratory bugs are now eliminated!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 29, 2021, 11:52:27 AM
My husband and I are both vaccinated but we are getting over an extremely mild something. So mild I’m not sure it isn’t our imaginations. A few days ago I got a very mild sore throat, some barely noticeable sinus symptoms and a brief bout of laryngitis. I thought it was my normal allergies but my normal allergies never involve laryngitis and almost never a sore throat. I’m over it now but yesterday my husband said now he has the same thing.Buy a self-test from your pharmacy. Did you have a lack of taste or smell? that was the key to have my wife tested.
So, did we both get covid? There is no way to ever know. I suppose we could go get a long probe rammed up our noses but f that. An antibody test should be positive anyway because of the vaccine.
Maybe we got some garden variety cold bug, not covid at all. Do those even exist anymore?
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2021, 12:12:42 PM
Buy a self-test from your pharmacy. Did you have a lack of taste or smell? that was the key to have my wife tested.
Oh I forgot about those. No we didn’t have taste or smell issues. If I had to bet money I bet we didn’t have covid. I wonder how long it stays positive. My symptoms are gone now, or rather back to my normal allergy runny nose which I’ve had for literally half a century.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 29, 2021, 12:31:50 PM
Oh I forgot about those. No we didn’t have taste or smell issues. If I had to bet money I bet we didn’t have covid. I wonder how long it stays positive. My symptoms are gone now, or rather back to my normal allergy runny nose which I’ve had for literally half a century.My wife still tested positive a few days after her symptoms entirely gone.
She had symptoms like a cold early in the week, lost taste and smell on Friday so we had her tested locally, test came back positive. She had another test already scheduled on Sunday at a Walgreens. That was also positive. We bought a home test kit tha had two tests (Intelliswab). I did a test on Monday or Tuesday and was negative. We used the other to test my wife on Wednesday or Thursday and still sowed positive, although barely.
Post by: Lucifer on October 31, 2021, 05:33:21 PM
(https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/psaki.jpg)
Post by: Rush on October 31, 2021, 05:40:03 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 31, 2021, 06:00:34 PM
Can you imagine going through all that bullshit for the seasonal flu? Which this basically is.
The lunacy is out of control. The only immunity these bullshit vaccines offer is to the manufacturer.
Post by: Lucifer on October 31, 2021, 06:10:19 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 31, 2021, 06:11:30 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 31, 2021, 06:17:16 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDDS1DTXIAELru0.jpg)
Post by: Rush on October 31, 2021, 06:24:05 PM
https://twitter.com/Kukicat7/status/1454844627463311361?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1454844627463311361%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcitizenfreepress.com%2Fbreaking%2Fthe-masked-theater-of-the-elite%2F
Did you scroll down and see the crowd in Switzerland?
Post by: Rush on November 01, 2021, 04:00:02 AM
Gee, where have we heard this before?? ::)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDDS1DTXIAELru0.jpg)
It’s also a LIE. They told us adults if we got the vaccine we could take our mask off. It was a lie.
Post by: Little Joe on November 01, 2021, 05:50:37 AM
It’s also a LIE. They told us adults if we got the vaccine we could take our mask off. It was a lie.I got my vaccines, and I took my mask off. I have been all over the country, from Florida to Maine to Idaho to Arizona and have never been asked to put on a mask, except at my doctor's offices.
Post by: Lucifer on November 01, 2021, 06:00:31 AM
I got my vaccines, and I took my mask off. I have been all over the country, from Florida to Maine to Idaho to Arizona and have never been asked to put on a mask, except at my doctor's offices.
What did you experience in California. around the LA basin? How about Chicago? NYC? Seattle? Portland?
Post by: Little Joe on November 01, 2021, 06:05:30 AM
What did you experience in California. around the LA basin? How about Chicago? NYC? Seattle? Portland?I avoided those cities/states and purposely stayed in AMERICA. People that live in those places deserve what they get.
Post by: Lucifer on November 01, 2021, 06:21:48 AM
Post by: Anthony on November 01, 2021, 07:14:57 AM
Post by: Rush on November 01, 2021, 08:01:47 AM
I avoided those cities/states and purposely stayed in AMERICA. People that live in those places deserve what they get.
Even Bill Maher said he loved traveling through red states where he didn’t have to fool with the mask, and hated going through the blue states.
Post by: bflynn on November 01, 2021, 11:49:58 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDGK13TX0AY_kiO.jpg)
Vaccines have always been protection. You don't think the flu vaccine was 100% effective, did you?
Post by: Lucifer on November 01, 2021, 12:11:35 PM
Vaccines have always been protection.
Rewriting definitions to fit the current narrative is what is at question here.
You don't think the flu vaccine was 100% effective, did you?
And once again, another lame attempt at projection.
Post by: Number7 on November 01, 2021, 12:17:46 PM
Post by: Rush on November 01, 2021, 12:17:59 PM
The problem is the timing and the context. Because they are doing it right when they are also trying to force a vaccine down our throats that we don’t want, the motive is psychological manipulation. We don’t like that! If they were simply correcting a misperception that’s been there all along, they should have done it decades ago.
Post by: Rush on November 01, 2021, 12:20:29 PM
bflynn seems to get very defensive whenever his self described brilliance is rejected.
Bflynn is technically correct. He is missing the point that the CDC is being manipulative. Why didn’t they clarify this decades ago?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 01, 2021, 12:55:58 PM
Bflynn is technically correct. He is missing the point that the CDC is being manipulative. Why didn’t they clarify this decades ago?
stepping back, is the CDC really being manipulative?
Wouldn't the newest version of the definition be more complete? (I was going to say "inclusive" but that would probably trigger people.... oops, shouldn't say "trigger")
Or is it just a "happy" to "glad" change?
Post by: Lucifer on November 01, 2021, 01:45:57 PM
Post by: Rush on November 01, 2021, 02:43:03 PM
Post by: nddons on November 01, 2021, 04:34:18 PM
Vaccines have always been protection. You don't think the flu vaccine was 100% effective, did you?Do any of the definitions quoted by lucifer, including the pre-2016 definition, imply efficacy?
Post by: Lucifer on November 01, 2021, 05:21:12 PM
Post by: bflynn on November 02, 2021, 12:44:41 AM
Do any of the definitions quoted by lucifer, including the pre-2016 definition, imply efficacy?
They all do.
But just because words were posted does not make them science. Some vaccines are extremely effective. Some are not.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 02, 2021, 04:01:22 AM
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2021, 04:26:58 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-fooled-america-opinion-1643839
Excellent article and spot on.
Post by: nddons on November 02, 2021, 05:14:06 AM
Excellent article and spot on.Newsweek still exists? Who knew??
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2021, 05:17:54 AM
Newsweek still exists? Who knew??
I guess it’s now a right wing terrorist organization. It published something questioning Lord Fauci.
Post by: nddons on November 02, 2021, 05:18:00 AM
They all do.No they don’t. You created a straw man by asking lucifer to answer a question not present in his original post.
But just because words were posted does not make them science. Some vaccines are extremely effective. Some are not.
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2021, 05:29:01 AM
stepping back, is the CDC really being manipulative?
Is this a serious question? Is anything the CDC has done the last almost 2 years not been manipulative? Fauci even admitted he lied about masks for the purpose of manipulating the public’s behavior.
Quote
Wouldn't the newest version of the definition be more complete? (I was going to say "inclusive" but that would probably trigger people.... oops, shouldn't say "trigger")
Or is it just a "happy" to "glad" change?
If by more complete you mean for the purpose of getting the public to accept how less effective it actually is compared to what we were led to expect then yes, the new definition is more complete (accurate).
Post by: bflynn on November 02, 2021, 05:32:26 AM
No they don’t. You created a straw man by asking lucifer to answer a question not present in his original post.
It was a rhetorical question. The point was and is, vaccines have not changed. The expectation that they would be perfect is only recent.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 02, 2021, 05:42:39 AM
Is this a serious question? Is anything the CDC has done the last almost 2 years not been manipulative? Fauci even admitted he lied about masks for the purpose of manipulating the public’s behavior.
Yes. it's a serious question.
um, I don't think Fauci is part of the CDC.
If by more complete you mean for the purpose of getting the public to accept how less effective it actually is compared to what we were led to expect then yes, the new definition is more complete (accurate).
no. That's not what I mean.
Get beyond suspicion because of the source. Is the definition more complete?
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2021, 06:43:47 AM
Yes. it's a serious question.
um, I don't think Fauci is part of the CDC.
You’re right, I keep forgetting. All I see is Fauci, the NIH, CDC and WHO as a single monolithic bureaucracy.
Quote
no. That's not what I mean.
Get beyond suspicion because of the source. Is the definition more complete?
Looks like they changed the definition again:
Quote
Vaccination:
The physical act of administering any vaccine or toxoid.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html#v
Not sure what you mean by “complete”. Apparently they’ve backed off stating any purpose of vaccination whatsoever.
Post by: Lucifer on November 02, 2021, 06:49:59 AM
Looks like they changed the definition again:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/terms/glossary.html#v
Not sure what you mean by “complete”. Apparently they’ve backed off stating any purpose of vaccination whatsoever.
Just wait until the new definition becomes "A procedure that citizens must undergo in order to comply with a government mandate".
Post by: nddons on November 02, 2021, 10:04:28 AM
It was a rhetorical question. The point was and is, vaccines have not changed. The expectation that they would be perfect is only recent.“Prevention” and “immunity” are fairly similar and yes, the public and the physicians have always led patients to assume they will not get get sick. The “flu shot” has been different, as it’s been widely disseminated that it’s a crap shoot in any given year. But the MMR vaccine, for example, really makes parents think their kids won’t get those diseases.
The change in definition in 2021, in light of massively missed efficacy assumptions for the Covid vaccines, effectively lowers the bar far below what the medical consumers have been lead to believe that a vaccine would provide.
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2021, 11:46:52 AM
“Prevention” and “immunity” are fairly similar and yes, the public and the physicians have always led patients to assume they will not get get sick. The “flu shot” has been different, as it’s been widely disseminated that it’s a crap shoot in any given year. But the MMR vaccine, for example, really makes parents think their kids won’t get those diseases.
The change in definition in 2021, in light of massively missed efficacy assumptions for the Covid vaccines, effectively lowers the bar far below what the medical consumers have been lead to believe that a vaccine would provide.
We should also keep in mind that all the normal childhood vaccines, MMR, DPT and polio, require 3 separate doses if I recall and if it's still the same as when I had babies. So the covid requiring 2 plus a booster really isn't all that abnormal. The difference is the childhood disease vaccines conferred greater immunity that was longer lasting.
But covid is more like the flu in the sense that they're priming us to accept a new one every year for variants and it is less effective. For flu we've always had a choice to reject yearly shots of a vaccine of questionable value. Nobody batted an eye. What is so different about covid? Nothing really. The disease is LESS deadly than flu for young people yet the covid vaccine is being forced on us.
Post by: Lucifer on November 02, 2021, 12:55:52 PM
What is so different about covid? Nothing really. The disease is LESS deadly than flu for young people yet the covid vaccine is being forced on us.
Bingo. And the covid vaccine is on par, if not less than effective than the yearly flu shot.
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 02, 2021, 01:08:28 PM
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2021, 01:09:30 PM
Bingo. And the covid vaccine is on par, if not less than effective than the yearly flu shot.
Yes. Although maybe in different ways. My understanding is the flu shot is very effective if you get the strain it was designed for that year and way less effective if at all for other strains. The covid vaccine is just generally less effective because of the fast evolution of the virus. So the covid shot is more effective than the flu shot if you get the flu strain that year’s shot didn’t account for, but less effective than the flu shot if you get the strain it did account for, so maybe it averages out to be on par. But what do I know, I’m not a virologist, immunologist, physician, journalist, politician or bureaucrat, all of whom know better than me whether I should take a vaccine.
Post by: Lucifer on November 02, 2021, 01:15:25 PM
Wearing a mask and social distancing is prudent.
Mask wearing has never been shown or proven to be effective. Social distancing has also never been shown or proven to be effective either.
Post by: Lucifer on November 02, 2021, 01:16:58 PM
Yes. Although maybe in different ways. My understanding is the flu shot is very effective if you get the strain it was designed for that year and way less effective if at all for other strains. The covid vaccine is just generally less effective because of the fast evolution of the virus. So the covid shot is more effective than the flu shot if you get the flu strain that year’s shot didn’t account for, but less effective than the flu shot if you get the strain it did account for, so maybe it averages out to be on par. But what do I know, I’m not a virologist, immunologist, physician, journalist, politician or bureaucrat, all of whom know better than me whether I should take a vaccine.
The only things the covid vaccine provides immunity for are the manufacturer and the government.
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2021, 01:48:41 PM
The only things the covid vaccine provides immunity for are the manufacturer and the government.
If immunity is defined as complete protection then yes, that is true.
Post by: Lucifer on November 02, 2021, 01:54:47 PM
If immunity is defined as complete protection then yes, that is true.
A product so good, that works so well, with little to no side effects, but yet the pharmaceuticals and the government needs total immunity from any adverse reactions it may cause.
Let that sink in for a few.
Post by: Lucifer on November 02, 2021, 02:05:06 PM
Post by: nddons on November 02, 2021, 02:31:10 PM
Wearing a mask and social distancing is prudent.Go right ahead. The rest of us plan to get on with our lives.
Post by: Number7 on November 02, 2021, 02:37:20 PM
The vaccine was designed to deal with the earlier strains of COV-2, which as I've heard from sources has nearly abated, worldwide. The newer variants have demonstrated evasiveness from the vaccines. Wearing a mask and social distancing is prudent.
What a crock.
Post by: Little Joe on November 02, 2021, 03:46:51 PM
EnjoyFunny thing is: When I read those stats in our local paper they never mention DeSantis.
But when we were having a spike, DeSantis's name and policies were in every paragraph.
I guess that's more sad than funny.
Post by: Lucifer on November 02, 2021, 07:52:30 PM
Post by: Anthony on November 03, 2021, 03:18:55 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 03, 2021, 07:52:26 AM
Here are the emails..........nothing to see here, move along....
Quote
Internal CDC E-Mails
CDC emails we obtained via the Freedom of Information Act reveal CDC worries with how the performance of the COVID-19 vaccines didn’t match the CDC’s own definition of “vaccine”/“vaccination”. The CDC’s Ministry of Truth went hard at work in the face of legitimate public questions on this issue.
In one August 2021 e-mail, a CDC employee cited to complaints that “Right-wing covid-19 deniers are using your ‘vaccine’ definition to argue that mRNA vaccines are not vaccines…”
Post by: Number7 on November 03, 2021, 08:51:04 AM
https://technofog.substack.com/p/cdc-emails-our-definition-of-vaccine
Here are the emails..........nothing to see here, move along....
I don’t think we are supposed (approved) to know about their dishonesty.
Post by: Lucifer on November 04, 2021, 06:05:43 AM
https://dossier.substack.com/p/its-free-pfizer-and-moderna-project
Quote
In the COVID Era, your favorite mom-and-pop shops might be closed forever, but business is booming for Big Pharma, with COVID shot companies breaking record after record across the board.
With enormous profits siphoned off the backs of taxpayers around the world, and virtually zero legal liability with any of its customers, Pfizer, Moderna, and even Johnson & Johnson can’t lose. You, the American taxpayer, even paid for the research and development of the shots, but Big Pharma is still footing you with the bill and taking all of the profits.
Pfizer
Pfizer said in a statement today that the company is again revising its revenue targets upwards, estimating between $81 and $82 billion in revenue for 2021. Pfizer is now projected to double its 2020 revenue, when the pharma giant brought in $41.9 billion. In 2021, $36 billion will have come from sales of COVID shots that were developed in partnership with BioNTech. With an estimated 30% profit margin, the mRNA shots alone will bring in over $10 billion in profit.
Post by: Rush on November 04, 2021, 06:27:03 AM
Post by: Anthony on November 04, 2021, 07:22:23 AM
Post by: nddons on November 04, 2021, 10:24:20 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 04, 2021, 10:55:01 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 04, 2021, 02:05:54 PM
Post by: Lucifer on November 04, 2021, 03:22:41 PM
Quote
Moderna shares fell by more than 16% on Thursday after it cut its Covid-19 vaccine sales forecast for the year and missed earnings and revenue expectations for the third quarter.
The company said some doses for delivery this year have been shifted to early 2022 amid production issues and as it prioritizes deliveries to low-income countries through COVAX, the U.N.-backed effort to share coronavirus vaccines. It now expects Covid vaccine sales of between $15 billion and $18 billion this year, down from an earlier projection of $20 billion.
In releasing its third-quarter earnings, Moderna said it is now expecting to deliver between 700 million and 800 million doses this year, down from its previous expectations of between 800 million and 1 billion doses. The company also said it projects sales of $17 billion to $22 billion in 2022.
Post by: nddons on November 04, 2021, 03:24:57 PM
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/04/covid-vaccine-moderna-mrna-earnings-q3-2021.htmlI think we should do a gofundme campaign for these Moderna executives.
Post by: Lucifer on November 04, 2021, 03:28:40 PM
I think we should do a gofundme campaign for these Moderna executives.
Just wait till they start mandating covid shots for pets.
Post by: Number7 on November 04, 2021, 03:45:28 PM
Just wait till they start mandating covid shots for pets.
And your dear relatives.
At least all the Americans who lost their jobs because they refused the scam vaccine will know they are being replaced with illegal UNVACCINATED aliens.
Fuck biden.
Post by: Lucifer on November 04, 2021, 04:17:36 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 04, 2021, 05:13:24 PM
My DIL had her surgery on Monday to remove the very large tumor on her liver. The surgery went wll and she is recovering in the hospital (Mayo Clinic, Jacksonville, FL)
My wife and I drove down on Sunday and had dinner with my son and the DIL Sunday evening. DIL went into surgery around 8:00 Monday morning and we met my son for breakfast once she was taken in. In the early afternoon we went to the hospital to wait with him in the surgical waiting area. As you enter the Mayo, you are asked the typical COVID question and then given a visitor sticker to put on. We proceeded to the fourth floor to check in at the waiting area. The young man manning the desk told us only two visitors were allowed in the area per patient so once we found our son, one of us would have to leave. We found him and secured seats across from him. Neither of us ever left and no one came looking for us.
Prior to making the trip, my wife called to inquire about visiting after surgery. We had been told that she would be allowed to have two visitors on her list and only those two. The lady my wife talked to indicated there could always be circumstances where we could be allowed to visit. Fast forward to today, we packed up this morning, had breakfast with our son, purchased a cake for the nurses on her floor and then headed to the Mayo. Our son said he would wait in the lobby area so we could work on getting in to see her. We got parked, got checked in as we entered the building and then headed to the elevators that take you to patient rooms. At that point you are asked who you are visiting and for your names. They checked and told us we were not on the list, which we knew. The gal said she would contact the nurse and ask. The nurse said she needed to call the doctor. She dialed up the doctor and then handed off to her replacement. End result was, sorry no exceptions, adios.
As we headed back toward the parking garage, I stopped at information and asked where I could find someone in administration that I could complain to. The gladly gave me directions to the "Office of Patient Experience", the complaint office. We walked there and I signed in and waited to speak to someone. After a few minutes we were called in. I explained our situation and asked if there was some way he could help us to visit our DIL as we were headed back home today. He asked questions and then went to talked to his senior person. Came back and told us he could not help us, maybe we could be happy doing a face time or something.
Of course the reasoning was COVID and protecting the patient by not letting just anybody to visit their patients. Did not help to ell them we were both vaccinated and that my wife COVID in September. They were doing what they needed to to protect their patients.
/rant off
Post by: Rush on November 04, 2021, 05:24:25 PM
/rant on
My DIL had her surgery on Monday to remove the very large tumor on her liver. The surgery went wll and she is recovering in the hospital (Mayo Clinic, Jacksonville, FL)
My wife and I drove down on Sunday and had dinner with my son and the DIL Sunday evening. DIL went into surgery around 8:00 Monday morning and we met my son for breakfast once she was taken in. In the early afternoon we went to the hospital to wait with him in the surgical waiting area. As you enter the Mayo, you are asked the typical COVID question and then given a visitor sticker to put on. We proceeded to the fourth floor to check in at the waiting area. The young man manning the desk told us only two visitors were allowed in the area per patient so once we found our son, one of us would have to leave. We found him and secured seats across from him. Neither of us ever left and no one came looking for us.
Prior to making the trip, my wife called to inquire about visiting after surgery. We had been told that she would be allowed to have two visitors on her list and only those two. The lady my wife talked to indicated there could always be circumstances where we could be allowed to visit. Fast forward to today, we packed up this morning, had breakfast with our son, purchased a cake for the nurses on her floor and then headed to the Mayo. Our son said he would wait in the lobby area so we could work on getting in to see her. We got parked, got checked in as we entered the building and then headed to the elevators that take you to patient rooms. At that point you are asked who you are visiting and for your names. They checked and told us we were not on the list, which we knew. The gal said she would contact the nurse and ask. The nurse said she needed to call the doctor. She dialed up the doctor and then handed off to her replacement. End result was, sorry no exceptions, adios.
As we headed back toward the parking garage, I stopped at information and asked where I could find someone in administration that I could complain to. The gladly gave me directions to the "Office of Patient Experience", the complaint office. We walked there and I signed in and waited to speak to someone. After a few minutes we were called in. I explained our situation and asked if there was some way he could help us to visit our DIL as we were headed back home today. He asked questions and then went to talked to his senior person. Came back and told us he could not help us, maybe we could be happy doing a face time or something.
Of course the reasoning was COVID and protecting the patient by not letting just anybody to visit their patients. Did not help to ell them we were both vaccinated and that my wife COVID in September. They were doing what they needed to to protect their patients.
/rant off
These people are fucking psychotic.
Post by: nddons on November 04, 2021, 05:29:32 PM
These people are fucking psychotic.Couldn’t say it better myself. What fucktards.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 04, 2021, 05:34:28 PM
....
Of course the reasoning was COVID and protecting the patient by not letting just anybody to visit their patients. Did not help to ell them we were both vaccinated and that my wife COVID in September. They were doing what they needed to to protect their patients.
/rant off
Apparently the vaccines don't work... (>-{
Post by: Number7 on November 04, 2021, 05:53:35 PM
People need to simply refuse to comply no matter what.
Post by: Lucifer on November 05, 2021, 07:11:47 AM
Quote
The “penis doctor” community is playing hardball to promote vaccine awareness.
Convincing the public to get the COVID vaccine has proven Sisyphean, but enterprising doctors may have formulated a foolproof reason why men should get the jab — so they can maintain their erections.
Their potentially penis-propping PSA is currently going viral on YouTube.
“Listen to the doctors, these are penis doctors,” urges “Saturday Night Live” alum Tim Meadows, 60, in the advisory, which was produced by the Urologists United For Vaccination Education.
The humorous two-minute vax promo, hashtagged “#SaveTheFutureBoners,” begins with Meadows and other male actors reminiscing about the first time they got it up, as well as the fun times they had with their no-longer private parts.
Post by: Rush on November 05, 2021, 08:37:15 AM
https://nypost.com/2021/11/02/doctors-warn-men-to-get-vaccinated-do-it-for-your-penis/
I imagine an even bigger cause of ED in men is screeching feminist women criticizing you constantly.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 05, 2021, 09:06:23 AM
Even big companies are having to close locations. The Walgreens in my old neighborhood is closing because they cannot get enough staff to come to work. The K&W cafeteria my mom went to closed forever because of covid. The damage we have done with the lockdowns is massive and permanent. Wealth has funneled to a very few companies including pharmaceutical manufacturers, Amazon and a few others that benefit from home delivery and vaccine mandates. Everyone else is falling into an economic nightmare. And the branch covidians still don’t see it or give a shit.
What did you think Obama meant by "fundamentally transforming the United States"?
Post by: Rush on November 05, 2021, 10:50:58 AM
What did you think Obama meant by "fundamentally transforming the United States"?
Destroy the constitutional republic and its free market enterprise system, and implement a centrally managed economy controlled by an elite class ensconced in DC as an unassailable power. Am I close?
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 05, 2021, 11:58:08 AM
Destroy the constitutional republic and its free market enterprise system, and implement a centrally managed economy controlled by an elite class ensconced in DC as an unassailable power. Am I close?
Too close. Biden is the third term to complete the task, Trump was an unexpected delay of game.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 05, 2021, 02:28:30 PM
Too close. Biden is the third term to complete the task, Trump was an unexpected delay of game.Hence the reason they are working hard to make this happen before 2024.
We are enemies of the Government and need to realize that.
Post by: nddons on November 05, 2021, 04:49:32 PM
Hence the reason they are working hard to make this happen before 2024.100%. This is precisely why the 2nd Amendment was placed into the Bill of Rights.
We are enemies of the Government and need to realize that.
Post by: Rush on November 05, 2021, 06:20:52 PM
100%. This is precisely why the 2nd Amendment was placed into the Bill of Rights.
I think we are about to get a good SC ruling on that.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 05, 2021, 06:24:23 PM
I think we are about to get a good SC ruling on that.
I'm not so confident.
Post by: Anthony on November 05, 2021, 06:37:23 PM
Destroy the constitutional republic and its free market enterprise system, and implement a centrally managed economy controlled by an elite class ensconced in DC as an unassailable power. Am I close?
Spot on. And disarm the Law Abiding so there is no recourse.
Post by: nddons on November 05, 2021, 06:45:53 PM
I think we are about to get a good SC ruling on that.The New York ruling? If this 6-3 USSC doesn’t rule in favor of the RKBA, this country is over, because the 2A would mean nothing.
Post by: Rush on November 05, 2021, 07:26:55 PM
The New York ruling? If this 6-3 USSC doesn’t rule in favor of the RKBA, this country is over, because the 2A would mean nothing.
Which is why Trump’s four years wasn’t just a blip, it was critically important.
Post by: nddons on November 05, 2021, 11:03:46 PM
Which is why Trump’s four years wasn’t just a blip, it was critically important.Yep. He advanced more conservative causes than any president in my lifetime.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 05:24:14 AM
timestamped to begin at interview.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 08, 2021, 07:49:10 AM
Yep. He advanced more conservative causes than any president in my lifetime.Yet the organized "Conservatives" despised and hobbled him because he wasn't in their club.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 07:55:09 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 08:15:22 AM
Yet the organized "Conservatives" despised and hobbled him because he wasn't in their club.
The "conservatives" can't help fucking themselves over time and time again.
Example:
Quote
Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), the chairman of the Senate GOP campaign arm, said on Sunday that he will help Sen. Lisa Murkowski’s (R-Alaska) reelection efforts, even though former President Trump has already endorsed a challenger against her.
“You had said you’re going to support all incumbents. And I’m just curious, does that include Lisa Murkowski, where the former president has endorsed a primary challenger? And when you say you support, does that mean you will financially support Lisa Murkowski and actually help run a campaign against a primary opponent?” “Meet the Press” moderator Chuck Todd asked Scott on NBC.
“Absolutely. … We support all of our incumbents,” Scott answered. “And fortunately for us, we’ve got great candidates running in our primaries. And fortunately for us, we’ve got Bernie Sanders candidates on the other side in many primaries, and so we’re going to be in a great position in ‘22.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/senator-rick-scott-says-will-support-turncoat-republican-lisa-murkowski-2022-senate-election/
Supporting a RINO who works feverously to undermine the right. Dumbasses.
Post by: nddons on November 08, 2021, 08:19:56 AM
The "conservatives" can't help fucking themselves over time and time again.Congressional GOP “leadership” MUCH prefers being ankle-biting back-benchers in the minority vs being in the majority and actually having to provide something called “leadership.”
Example:
Supporting a RINO who works feverously to undermine the right. Dumbasses.
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 08:57:01 AM
Mask wearing has never been shown or proven to be effective. Social distancing has also never been shown or proven to be effective either.
Masking is effective at training people to keep their hands out of their faces and their fingers out of their noses, routes of infection (eyes, mouth, nose).
The scientific data says that the "6-ft rule" we have been indoctrinated with is ineffective and the distance should start at around 12-ft and susceptibility tails off the further we get from a carrier. What's so hard about not being all-up-in strange people's faces?
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 09:08:53 AM
Masking is effective at training people to keep their hands out of their faces and their fingers out of their noses, routes of infection (eyes, mouth, nose).
So you are all for masking in order to force people from touching their face?? ???
Wearing adult diapers can reduce an accidental fecal or urine discharge as well. Maybe we should force people to wear diapers "just in case".......... ::)
The scientific data says that the "6-ft rule" we have been indoctrinated with is ineffective and the distance should start at around 12-ft and susceptibility tails off the further we get from a carrier. What's so hard about not being all-up-in strange people's faces?
How about this tried and true method. If you are sick, stay home.
Social distancing is a farce, just as you just demonstrated.
Post by: Rush on November 08, 2021, 09:18:01 AM
Masking is effective at training people to keep their hands out of their faces and their fingers out of their noses, routes of infection (eyes, mouth, nose).
Not me, I’m just the opposite. Damn mask makes everything itch and drives me crazy, I’m constantly fooling with it, lifting it so I can catch a little oxygen, scratching my nose, rearranging the goddamn thing.
Quote
The scientific data says that the "6-ft rule" we have been indoctrinated with is ineffective and the distance should start at around 12-ft and susceptibility tails off the further we get from a carrier. What's so hard about not being all-up-in strange people's faces?
Probably true but not at all practical. We cannot function as a society staying 12 feet apart forever.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 08, 2021, 09:49:10 AM
Masking is effective at training people to keep their hands out of their faces and their fingers out of their noses, routes of infection (eyes, mouth, nose).
from what I've seen out in the real world, masks have been completely and utterly ineffective at training proper hand/face discipline. A complete failure.
People wear the magic piece of cloth over the chin
People wear the magic piece of cloth just covering the mouth
People pull the magic piece of cloth down to talk and then push it back in place.
Have you *ever* seen someone sanitize their hands before touching their magic piece of cloth or their face?
Have you *ever* seen someone sanitize their hands after touching their magic piece of cloth or face?
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 09:52:05 AM
Since I can't rely on sick people to stay home, I stay away from them.
How about this tried and true method. If you are sick, stay home.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 09:53:49 AM
Since I can't rely on sick people to stay home, I stay away from them.
Good for you.
Why can't we all be responsible for ourselves, set our own guidelines and evaluate our own risk levels? Government has no place in mask mandates or social distancing or other fantasies.
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 09:58:04 AM
Good for you.Because I can't rely on Joe-Bob to not go into the vegetable section of the grocery store and not sneeze over everything. It's also why I take the extra precaution to wash my foodstuff before putting them away...all except the ice-cream. LoL.
Why can't we all be responsible for ourselves, set our own guidelines and evaluate our own risk levels? Government has no place in mask mandates or social distancing or other fantasies.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 10:01:52 AM
Because I can't rely on Joe-Bob to not go into the vegetable section of the grocery store and not sneeze over everything. It's also why I take the extra precaution to wash my foodstuff before putting them away...all except the ice-cream. LoL.
So what changed? Pre-2020 Joe Bob went to the grocery store and sneezed all over everything, and you took your food home and washed it.
That's risk assessment. Do we really need the government putting restrictions on people?
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 10:46:51 AM
So what changed? Pre-2020 Joe Bob went to the grocery store and sneezed all over everything, and you took your food home and washed it.We depend on people stopping at stop signs because it creates an orderly system allowing me to arrive at my destination while limiting my risks. When you come out in the public sphere, in many places it is considered good manners to mask up. I had no idea that it was a political debate, except for seeing it here and other social media.
That's risk assessment. Do we really need the government putting restrictions on people?
I haven't seen a full explanation of the argument except for "masks don't work" or 'masks have an adverse heath (or immunity) effect', for neither argument is supported by data. I liken it to "why should the lady serving my food at the cafeteria be forced to wear a hair net? Certainly her hair is smaller than the net. I'm going to fight for her rights too."
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 08, 2021, 10:51:02 AM
what would be a small enough percentage to say that we don't need EVERYONE to mask up with the magic piece of cloth?
Post by: nddons on November 08, 2021, 10:56:24 AM
Masking is effective at training people to keep their hands out of their faces and their fingers out of their noses, routes of infection (eyes, mouth, nose).
Are you serious? Have you watched people with their masks? Being an unnatural and novel act, I believe it causes people to touch their face MUCH MORE than if they didn’t wear a face diaper.
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 10:58:46 AM
So what changed? Pre-2020 Joe Bob went to the grocery store and sneezed all over everything, and you took your food home and washed it.I confess to not washing my food before the pandemic. I also confess that I'm a pretty clean guy, having been brought up with certain manners, but I've since tightened my practices and require my family to do the same. Are you saying now that I'm oppressing my family?
That's risk assessment. Do we really need the government putting restrictions on people?
No one in my household of 6 (my mom is at the end of her staying with us temporarily, she recently completed building and moving into her new home in another state) has contracted COVID, with exception to my wife. She worked in healthcare until I completed getting our family finances together and retired her earlier this year. She's now a stay-at-home mom, working with the children on their virtual school. This was a survival decision.
My wife bringing COVID home was not in our best interests and my middle and youngest children missing valuable educational time due to my needing to focus on work wasn't working. The government mandates caused me to re-evaluate our modus operandi. We are much better off for it and probably wouldn't have done it were it not for the pandemic.
We got out of $90k in credit card debt, cut 4+ years off our mortgage and we're now consumer debt free with a sizable safety net in the bank (gotta remember to move that to something earning more interest).
What I oppose, are the vaccine mandates. That is just wrong! I don't mind the small INCONVENIENCE of having to wear a mask when I go indoors to places that I can CHOOSE if I want to go there or not. Frankly, I realized a lot of places I didn't have to go and kept my money in my pocket.
Post by: Rush on November 08, 2021, 10:59:18 AM
Because I can't rely on Joe-Bob to not go into the vegetable section of the grocery store and not sneeze over everything. It's also why I take the extra precaution to wash my foodstuff before putting them away...all except the ice-cream. LoL.
Maybe you should wash the ice cream too, lol! This incident is too close to my home:
https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2020/03/dadrien-lquinn-anderson-port-arthur-texas-walmart-blue-bell-ice-cream-licker-sentenced/
I’ve always washed produce when I get it home. People have their hands all over it. I do myself, checking avocados for ripeness, picking up a fruit to inspect it and putting it back down. I might have scratched my nose under my mask too at some point. I don’t want to think about what other people do. I’m sure they PICK, something I’d NEVER do. Probably use the bathroom and not wash. Stick their hand down their pants and scratch their ass when they think nobody’s looking. I’ve always treated unpackaged produce as if it has radioactive alien pathogens all over it. Wash, scrub, peel. Ideally cook it to death too.
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 10:59:52 AM
yup - mask up because some percentage of the people out there have covid-19? 50%? 25%? 75%?This is what I think the conversation should be about.
what would be a small enough percentage to say that we don't need EVERYONE to mask up with the magic piece of cloth?
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 11:02:06 AM
Maybe you should wash the ice cream too, lol! This incident is too close to my home:
https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2020/03/dadrien-lquinn-anderson-port-arthur-texas-walmart-blue-bell-ice-cream-licker-sentenced/ (https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2020/03/dadrien-lquinn-anderson-port-arthur-texas-walmart-blue-bell-ice-cream-licker-sentenced/)
I’ve always washed produce when I get it home. People have their hands all over it. I do myself, checking avocados for ripeness, picking up a fruit to inspect it and putting it back down. I might have scratched my nose under my mask too at some point. I don’t want to think about what other people do. I’m sure they PICK, something I’d NEVER do. Probably use the bathroom and not wash. Stick their hand down their pants and scratch their ass when they think nobody’s looking. I’ve always treated unpackaged produce as if it has radioactive alien pathogens all over it. Wash, scrub, peel. Ideally cook it to death too.
We didn't routinely wash food before packing it away, but instead before use. Now we wash everything, including packaging before stowing it. I only don't do it with ice-cream because I break the discipline. I'm not proud of it, but I'm also not going to claim to wash all of my food when I don't.
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 11:03:45 AM
Maybe you should wash the ice cream too, lol! This incident is too close to my home:He should have been made to pay for every container of ice cream the grocer had in the freezer.
https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2020/03/dadrien-lquinn-anderson-port-arthur-texas-walmart-blue-bell-ice-cream-licker-sentenced/ (https://scallywagandvagabond.com/2020/03/dadrien-lquinn-anderson-port-arthur-texas-walmart-blue-bell-ice-cream-licker-sentenced/)
Post by: Rush on November 08, 2021, 11:14:29 AM
I confess to not washing my food before the pandemic. I also confess that I'm a pretty clean guy, having been brought up with certain manners, but I've since tightened my practices and require my family to do the same. Are you saying now that I'm oppressing my family?
No one in my household of 6 (my mom is at the end of her staying with us temporarily, she recently completed building and moving into her new home in another state) has contracted COVID, with exception to my wife. She worked in healthcare until I completed getting our family finances together and retired her earlier this year. She's now a stay-at-home mom, working with the children on their virtual school. This was a survival decision.
My wife bringing COVID home was not in our best interests and my middle and youngest children missing valuable educational time due to my needing to focus on work wasn't working. The government mandates caused me to re-evaluate our modus operandi. We are much better off for it and probably wouldn't have done it were it not for the pandemic.
We got out of $90k in credit card debt, cut 4+ years off our mortgage and we're now consumer debt free with a sizable safety net in the bank (gotta remember to move that to something earning more interest).
What I oppose, are the vaccine mandates. That is just wrong! I don't mind the small INCONVENIENCE of having to wear a mask when I go indoors to places that I can CHOOSE if I want to go there or not. Frankly, I realized a lot of places I didn't have to go and kept my money in my pocket.
Your wife quitting to stay home is a similar decision to what I did. Me (the mom) working full time wasn’t working out for the general health of our whole family. This was way before COVID of course, different circumstances but it was also a “survival” decision triggered by a personal crisis as opposed to yours triggered by the pandemic. Also resulted in restructuring our finances and much better situation for the kids and our marriage and everyone’s psychological health. Sounds like you made lemonade of the lemons of the pandemic.
Post by: Number7 on November 08, 2021, 11:15:06 AM
Lefties always want the government to force compliance no matter how idiotic the topic.
Masks are useless.
The phony six foot rule was invented out of thin air.
Mask holes are stupid.
The government is using mask holes to further erode liberty in favor of profits for large corporations resulting in bigger bribes.
If you think masks are effective you probably also think President Trump tried to overthrow the fucking government.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 11:15:47 AM
We depend on people stopping at stop signs because it creates an orderly system allowing me to arrive at my destination while limiting my risks. When you come out in the public sphere, in many places it is considered good manners to mask up. I had no idea that it was a political debate, except for seeing it here and other social media.
I haven't seen a full explanation of the argument except for "masks don't work" or 'masks have an adverse heath (or immunity) effect', for neither argument is supported by data. I liken it to "why should the lady serving my food at the cafeteria be forced to wear a hair net? Certainly her hair is smaller than the net. I'm going to fight for her rights too."
These mask do nothing. Sorry, they don't. That's been admitted by those who push the mask. Anything short of a N95 is nothing more than virtue signaling.
But, if wearing a mask makes you feel better, then please, wear a mask. Just don't expect government to mandate it.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 11:21:28 AM
I confess to not washing my food before the pandemic. I also confess that I'm a pretty clean guy, having been brought up with certain manners, but I've since tightened my practices and require my family to do the same. Are you saying now that I'm oppressing my family?
Please stop with the projection, that's just downright lame. You know I didn't say that.
What I oppose, are the vaccine mandates. That is just wrong! I don't mind the small INCONVENIENCE of having to wear a mask when I go indoors to places that I can CHOOSE if I want to go there or not. Frankly, I realized a lot of places I didn't have to go and kept my money in my pocket.
Right. It's all about personal choice. Again, we don't need government mandating what to wear, where to wear it, and we sure as hell don't need government mandating any healthcare procedure.
Post by: Number7 on November 08, 2021, 11:24:48 AM
Please stop with the projection, that's just downright lame. You know I didn't say that.
Right. It's all about personal choice. Again, we don't need government mandating what to wear, where to wear it, and we sure as hell don't need government mandating any healthcare procedure.
Jay Birdis playing the oppressed minority card…. Again.
Post by: Rush on November 08, 2021, 11:34:45 AM
We didn't routinely wash food before packing it away, but instead before use. Now we wash everything, including packaging before stowing it. I only don't do it with ice-cream because I break the discipline. I'm not proud of it, but I'm also not going to claim to wash all of my food when I don't.
Well you put the ice cream in the freezer, presumably the virus will not survive in there, in fact it doesn’t survive long on any dry surface. I don’t wash packaging. I guess technically the covid virus wouldn’t survive long on the surface of a fruit either, but it’s the idea of snot or butt germs that make me unable to stomach it. Might be more of a “cootie” thing than actual germ risk.
Like the 5 second rule when something drops on the floor. If it’s dry, and you pick it up within 5 seconds and blow on it or wipe it off, and the floor was relatively clean, it’s okay. (Only applies to my floor at home, not restaurants.) After 5 seconds, no good, I trash it. If a loose hair touches it, it’s no good. I’m intolerant of hair, but only loose hair. If a lock of hair that’s still attached to my head touches my apple, I wouldn’t think twice about it, it would be of no concern, I’d eat the apple. But if I found a loose strand on my apple, even if I knew it was my own, I’d have to wash the apple before eating it. Somehow at some point between being attached to my head and coming away from my head, hair acquires cooties.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 08, 2021, 11:36:21 AM
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Do you protest "no shirt, no shoes, no service"?
Right. It's all about personal choice. Again, we don't need government mandating what to wear, where to wear it, and we sure as hell don't need government mandating any healthcare procedure.
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 11:46:15 AM
Jay, if your wife is staying home can she not home school?She's considered it, but our children are getting things at (private) school that we as adults take for granted. We pay for it and are happy to continue doing so, but she is effectively home-schooling. Our youngest (5yo) is developmentally delayed and would grow up to be a nuisance to society without her attention. He's made tremendous progress and is now working on sounding out words. He just might catch up with his peers yet.
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 11:48:17 AM
Please stop with the projection, that's just downright lame. You know I didn't say that.Not a directed you (singular) but more a pluralistic society "yous"- ;D
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 11:52:25 AM
Do you protest "no shirt, no shoes, no service"?
Again, you keep trying projection. Where did I state I "protest" anything???
I make my own choice on where I go. If I go somewhere that says "Must wear Mask", I simply move on and spend my money elsewhere.
Is there a problem with people making personal choices?
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 12:06:48 PM
Again, you keep trying projection. Where did I state I "protest" anything???Your protesting masking mandates is a matter of record. Again, you didn't answer which means that you allow it in some cases and pitch a fit in other cases. How do you choose which "mandates" to be outraged over?
I make my own choice on where I go. If I go somewhere that says "Must wear Mask", I simply move on and spend my money elsewhere.
Is there a problem with people making personal choices?
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 12:16:08 PM
Your protesting masking mandates is a matter of record. Again, you didn't answer which means that you allow it in some cases and pitch a fit in other cases. How do you choose which "mandates" to be outraged over?
WTF are you jabbering about???? I've made myself clear.
A sign in a business that says "No shirt, No shoes, No service" is not a government mandate. A sign in a business that says "Must wear a face covering to enter" is not a government mandate.
However, when a government (local, state, federal) makes a mandate outside of law, yes, I oppose that. Government has absolutely no business attempting to mandate what people wear or how close they can stand to each other.
I live in a state that doesn't have these mandates. For the few businesses that do require face coverings, I just go elsewhere.
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 12:20:05 PM
Probably true but not at all practical. We cannot function as a society staying 12 feet apart forever.Sure it's not a long-term solution. But it also takes about 15mins of exposure at air-gap distances to get infected. I treat everyone who doesn't live under my roof as though they are asymptomatic, so that If I close the distance with them, I'm mindful of dwell time. A lot like your 5 second rule.
Again, don't kiss strangers. Don't talk face-face at whispering distance with people who have an overbite and don't share your food with the guy who has a bum-bump.
Bum-Bump explained (https://youtu.be/KySHM-aE7NE): Warning Explicit language
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 12:27:38 PM
WTF are you jabbering about? ??? I've made myself clear.
A sign in a business that says "No shirt, No shoes, No service" is not a government mandate. A sign in a business that says "Must wear a face covering to enter" is not a government mandate.
However, when a government (local, state, federal) makes a mandate outside of law, yes, I oppose that. Government has absolutely no business attempting to mandate what people wear or how close they can stand to each other.
No shirt no shoes...is enshrined in policy governing the running of restaurants, aka a mandate.
Masking was done by (many States') Governors Executive Order. It is by definition a lawful order. You've stated your objection to the order. Noted.
Social distancing is advice given to the public that some cops tried to enforce against large gatherings, also given by Executive Order. Again, by definition Governor's Orders are lawful unless overturned by State Judiciary or lawmaking.
This is the system we have buddy. Are you saying that EOs in general are unlawful? You're picking and choosing which laws you choose to follow, which is a form of anarchy.
I live in a state that doesn't have these mandates. For the few businesses that do require face coverings, I just go elsewhere.
That's not a government mandate, that a business decision that you disagree with. Forumlate a better moniker and then we can stop missing each other.
Post by: Rush on November 08, 2021, 12:40:10 PM
Sure it's not a long-term solution. But it also takes about 15mins of exposure at air-gap distances to get infected. I treat everyone who doesn't live under my roof as though they are asymptomatic, so that If I close the distance with them, I'm mindful of dwell time. A lot like your 5 second rule.
Again, don't kiss strangers. Don't talk face-face at whispering distance with people who have an overbite and don't share your food with the guy who has a bum-bump.
Bum-Bump explained (https://youtu.be/KySHM-aE7NE): Warning Explicit language
Oh Lord, LOL!! Now I know what a bum bump is.
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 12:41:02 PM
No shirt no shoes...is enshrined in policy governing the running of restaurants, aka a mandate.
No you're stretching.
Here's the definition of Mandate
man·date
/ˈmanˌdāt/
1.
an official order or commission to do something.
2.
the authority to carry out a policy or course of action, regarded as given by the electorate to a candidate or party that is victorious in an election.
Masking was done by (many States') Governors Executive Order. It is by definition a lawful order. You've stated your objection to the order. Noted.
The question of those states that did masking via EO is in question. The executive does not possess the ability to create laws, that right is left to the legislatures.
Therefore, an EO is not a "lawful order" unless it can be backed up with an actual law.
Social distancing is advice given to the public that some cops tried to enforce against large gatherings, also given by Executive Order. Again, by definition Governor's Orders are lawful unless overturned by State Judiciary or lawmaking.
An EO is only "lawful" when it's backed up with an actual law. Please cite (in your state) which law governs face coverings and which law governs social distancing.
This is the system we have buddy. Are you saying that EOs are lawful? You're picking and choosing which laws you choose to follow, which is a form of anarchy.
You are clueless, and you keep reverting to projection because you lack the ability to make a coherent argument.
And you clearly like to throw words around in which you don't know what they mean, as cited above. Anarchy is another one.
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 08, 2021, 12:56:18 PM
I'm done with you on this topic.
Post by: nddons on November 08, 2021, 01:13:56 PM
Not speaking for Lucifer, but yes, most EOs are unlawful. There’s a reason for the Constitutional lawmaking process. It is done by the people’ representatives.
No shirt no shoes...is enshrined in policy governing the running of restaurants, aka a mandate.
Masking was done by (many States') Governors Executive Order. It is by definition a lawful order. You've stated your objection to the order. Noted.
Social distancing is advice given to the public that some cops tried to enforce against large gatherings, also given by Executive Order. Again, by definition Governor's Orders are lawful unless overturned by State Judiciary or lawmaking.
This is the system we have buddy. Are you saying that EOs in general are unlawful? You're picking and choosing which laws you choose to follow, which is a form of anarchy.
That's not a government mandate, that a business decision that you disagree with. Forumlate a better moniker and then we can stop missing each other.
EOs by design ignore that process. They are designed, if necessary, to interpret laws, but not make new laws. This they aren’t called “laws.”
Many governors’ EOs were found unlawful, including Wisconsin’s governor’s shut down and mask mandates. Why? Because Wisconsin law ONLY allows the executive to declare an EO for a state of emergency for 30 days or less. He can have his little shutdown for 30 days, but anything more Han that MUST follow the legislative process.
I’m disappointed that so many fellow citizens think that EOs are law, notwithstanding that in most cases they are textbook tyranny, yet call opponents of unlawful EOs as practicing tyranny.
Post by: Number7 on November 08, 2021, 01:14:59 PM
I'm done with you on this topic.
Whenever a liberal loses an argument they seem to want to declare victory and run away....
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 01:29:37 PM
Apparently reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, except when it fits your narrative. Your own definition of mandate proves the point. And then, instead of answering questions you reply with narratives. You can't (or won't) hold a rational conversation.
I'm done with you on this topic.
In typical Jaybird fashion............... ::)
Post by: Lucifer on November 08, 2021, 02:02:53 PM
Quote
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that vaccine makers and U.S. healthcare officials are now attempting to find out why the mRNA vaccines are creating adverse events and heart conditions in healthy people. Call me crazy, but studying dangerous side-effects would seem to be a more prudent line of inquiry before injecting people, not after.
Wall Street Journal – […] Researchers aren’t certain why the messenger RNA vaccines, one from Pfizer Inc. and partner BioNTech, and the other from Moderna Inc., are likely causing the inflammatory heart conditions myocarditis and pericarditis in a small number of cases.
Some theories center on the type of spike protein that a person makes in response to the mRNA vaccines. The mRNA itself or other components of the vaccines, researchers say, could also be setting off certain inflammatory responses in some people. One new theory under examination: improper injections of the vaccine directly into a vein, which sends the vaccine to heart muscle.
To find answers, some doctors and scientists are running tests in lab dishes and examining heart-tissue samples from people who developed myocarditis or pericarditis after getting vaccinated. (read more)
Meanwhile, the rush to vaccinate children, with an untested vaccine as a treatment to protect against a virus that poses no significant threat, is continuing.
Post by: bflynn on November 09, 2021, 02:43:02 AM
Post by: Anthony on November 09, 2021, 03:50:52 AM
Whenever a liberal loses an argument they seem to want to declare victory and run away....
Because like all Progressive Marxists, they are dishonest hypocrites.
Post by: Rush on November 09, 2021, 04:59:36 AM
Whenever a liberal loses an argument they seem to want to declare victory and run away....
Is Jaybird a liberal? Does believing an EO can justify a mask mandate make you a liberal?
Jaybird, are you a liberal? Defined these days as a progressive leftist which is high taxes, more government control over the economy, redistribution of wealth through massive social programs, and being pro social freedoms like gay marriage and abortion. As opposed to classical liberal which means less power in the hands of the ruling class, rather the opposite of how the word is used now.
Something like a mask mandate could be seen as authoritarian overreach which could be from either a left or a right leaning government. I understand that what we are calling “the right” in the U.S. right now tends to be against mask mandates, but they are also against vaccine mandates which you are, but that doesn’t mean I assume you’re a right wing Trump voter. Therefore I don’t assume you defending mask wearing makes you a liberal either.
Post by: Lucifer on November 09, 2021, 06:25:16 AM
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 09, 2021, 06:53:52 AM
Is Jaybird a liberal? Does believing an EO can justify a mask mandate make you a liberal?If I worried about being called a name...
Jaybird, are you a liberal? Defined these days as a progressive leftist which is high taxes, more government control over the economy, redistribution of wealth through massive social programs, and being pro social freedoms like gay marriage and abortion. As opposed to classical liberal which means less power in the hands of the ruling class, rather the opposite of how the word is used now.
Something like a mask mandate could be seen as authoritarian overreach which could be from either a left or a right leaning government. I understand that what we are calling “the right” in the U.S. right now tends to be against mask mandates, but they are also against vaccine mandates which you are, but that doesn’t mean I assume you’re a right wing Trump voter. Therefore I don’t assume you defending mask wearing makes you a liberal either.
I've voted both sides of the aisle, what does that make me? My tag identifies me here as a political cynic. I considered taking it down b/c some topics are too serious to be cynical about them.
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 09, 2021, 06:56:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/e6ce3RD.gif)Here's an article saying that Trumpists are getting hit harder with C19 than Dems
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/
Post by: Lucifer on November 09, 2021, 06:59:53 AM
Here's an article saying that Trumpists are getting hit harder with C19 than Dems
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covid-19-vaccination-rates/
So Covid is such an intelligent virus it can distinguish between political affiliations?
Amazing! :o
Post by: Number7 on November 09, 2021, 07:02:45 AM
So Covid is such an intelligent virus it can distinguish between political affiliations?
Amazing! :o
It's just like how the CDC believed that the chinese wuhan virus couldn't hit you in walmart and if you were an antifa thug burning down your city, but going to church would kill you.
It's amazing how smart that virus is...
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 09, 2021, 07:09:48 AM
So Covid is such an intelligent virus it can distinguish between political affiliations?Did you read the article? Or do you already "know it all"?
Amazing! :o
It's not about a smart virus but a push for more vaccinations. I think there could be some validity to the article but I attribute it to different practice. I happen to believe that masking and Social Distancing are effective and that even if 1% effective, that in a pandemic it matters because spread is exponential.
Post by: Lucifer on November 09, 2021, 07:17:07 AM
It's not about a smart virus but a push for more vaccinations. I think there could be some validity to the article but I attribute it to different practice. I happen to believe that masking and Social Distancing are effective and that even if 1% effective, that in a pandemic it matters because spread is exponential.
So because you feel that masking and social distancing are effective, you believe government has the right to force your practices on everyone. Correct?
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 09, 2021, 07:22:02 AM
So because you feel that masking and social distancing are effective, you believe government has the right to force your practices on everyone. Correct?I think you have the order of operations reversed.
Again, do you ever answer a question or do you only know how to ask them, criticize the answer and then name call?
Post by: Lucifer on November 09, 2021, 07:26:59 AM
I think you have the order of operations reversed.
No one cares if you wear a mask, and you play a silly distancing game. Your choice. The rest of us have decided to move on and get on with our lives.
Again, do you ever answer a question or do you only know how to ask them, criticize the answer and then name call?
Please show the post where I called you a name. And you seem to enjoy criticizing other's answers, but yet you get your feelings hurt when anyone subjects your post to scrutiny.
Post by: Rush on November 09, 2021, 07:28:03 AM
If I worried about being called a name...
I've voted both sides of the aisle, what does that make me? My tag identifies me here as a political cynic. I considered taking it down b/c some topics are too serious to be cynical about them.
I saw the political cynic tag and thought it might mean you distrust all political parties. Which is a perfectly valid position.
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 09, 2021, 09:13:15 AM
No one cares if you wear a mask, and you play a silly distancing game. Your choice. The rest of us have decided to move on and get on with our lives.So you add gaslighting to your list of talents. You're not very good at the people thing are you? I'm really considering making you the inaugural member of my Ignore list. I believe in human potential, the ability to sift facts and make new choices, but I'm questioning that with you. All I'll get out of conversing with you is worn keys on my keyboard.
Please show the post where I called you a name. And you seem to enjoy criticizing other's answers, but yet you get your feelings hurt when anyone subjects your post to scrutiny.
Post by: Lucifer on November 09, 2021, 09:20:25 AM
So you add gaslighting to your list of talents. You're not very good at the people thing are you? I'm really considering making you the inaugural member of my Ignore list. I believe in human potential, the ability to sift facts and make new choices, but I'm questioning that with you. All I'll get out of conversing with you is worn keys on my keyboard.
So once again you attempted to use projection, was called out, and now you're feverishly backpedaling and moving to a new term to cover your tracks. Got it.
What is happening here is conversing. It's just not going the way you want it to to. You come in with an inane rambling diatribe, and when questioned you project and deflect.
Then we see the typical "I'm done!" or the "I'll put you on ignore!", playing the victim, etc. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
Post by: Lucifer on November 09, 2021, 10:41:06 AM
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1458081880989962251/pu/vid/470x360/mzk2BhNDz7HbuNbs.mp4?tag=12
Post by: texasag93 on November 09, 2021, 10:45:20 AM
An early Pope Tony fear mongering
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1458081880989962251/pu/vid/470x360/mzk2BhNDz7HbuNbs.mp4?tag=12
Pope Tony is a post turtle.
Post by: Little Joe on November 09, 2021, 10:54:10 AM
Do you protest "no shirt, no shoes, no service"?Only when it includes women.
Men: No shoes No shirt No Service.
Women: No shoes No shirt Free beer
Post by: Rush on November 09, 2021, 11:49:19 AM
Pope Tony is a post turtle.
LOL! I can’t believe I know what that means without looking it up.
Post by: nddons on November 09, 2021, 06:57:08 PM
Did you read the article? Or do you already "know it all"?Every NFL and every College Football stadium is full to capacity, every weekend for the last 8-10 weeks. People aren’t masked, and certainly aren’t socially distanced.
It's not about a smart virus but a push for more vaccinations. I think there could be some validity to the article but I attribute it to different practice. I happen to believe that masking and Social Distancing are effective and that even if 1% effective, that in a pandemic it matters because spread is exponential.
There has been not a single accusation of one of these games being deemed a “super spreader” event.
Do you honestly think masking and social distancing are effective, and that it matters?
Post by: nddons on November 09, 2021, 06:59:22 PM
So you add gaslighting to your list of talents. You're not very good at the people thing are you? I'm really considering making you the inaugural member of my Ignore list. I believe in human potential, the ability to sift facts and make new choices, but I'm questioning that with you. All I'll get out of conversing with you is worn keys on my keyboard.Settle down, Karen.
Post by: Lucifer on November 10, 2021, 06:50:25 AM
And BTW, the Pfizer CEO says anyone opposing mandates or criticizing vaccines are criminals.
https://nypost.com/2021/11/09/pfizer-seeks-for-approval-for-covid-19-booster-for-all-adults/
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 10, 2021, 07:44:00 AM
Every NFL and every College Football stadium is full to capacity, every weekend for the last 8-10 weeks. People aren’t masked, and certainly aren’t socially distanced.I concur, it's certainly an example that should be more closely examined, but we're not doing contact tracing anymore to know where the infections are really coming from.
There has been not a single accusation of one of these games being deemed a “super spreader” event.
Do you honestly think masking and social distancing are effective, and that it matters?
I'm looking at a new DOD policy that requires either
- Documented proof of vaccination OR
- Negative test within 72 hours
Post by: Anthony on November 10, 2021, 07:51:51 AM
Obesity/Eating Habits/Lack of Exercise, Lifestyle
Smoking cigarettes
Drug use
Alcoholism
Genetic predisposition for heart disease, Cancer, Diabetes, etc.
Driving on public roads
Being in the sun too long (skin cancer)
Visiting bad neighborhoods
Stop the fucking Fear Porn and live your fucking life!!! Focus on mitigating the MILLION other risks to your health, OR NOT! How about just being?
Post by: Lucifer on November 10, 2021, 08:09:20 AM
Health risks to worry about before (instead of) Covid-19
Obesity/Eating Habits/Lack of Exercise, Lifestyle
Smoking cigarettes
Drug use
Alcoholism
Genetic predisposition for heart disease, Cancer, Diabetes, etc.
Driving on public roads
Being in the sun too long (skin cancer)
Visiting bad neighborhoods
Stop the fucking Fear Porn and live your fucking life!!! Focus on mitigating the MILLION other risks to your health, OR NOT! How about just being?
The Branch Covidians are all up in arms over the highly inflated covid fatality numbers, but yet everyone keeps ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room which are the growing number of overdose deaths related to fentanyl.
Why are fentanyl OD's being ignored? Look to the source of the problem, the CCP. They are flooding the US with fentanyl through a joint effort of the Mexican Cartels. Biden has thrown the borders open which only complicates the problem.
We have more serious complicated health problems in this country other than a virus than is on par with influenza, yet those other health problems don't give power and money like covid.
https://heroin.net/statistics/fentanyl-deaths/
https://drugabusestatistics.org/drug-overdose-deaths/
https://spectator.org/fentanyl-overdoses-rising-2021/
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 10, 2021, 08:38:04 AM
Pfizer needs to keep those record earnings coming in.
And BTW, the Pfizer CEO says anyone opposing mandates or criticizing vaccines are criminals.
https://nypost.com/2021/11/09/pfizer-seeks-for-approval-for-covid-19-booster-for-all-adults/
George III said revolutionaries (i.e., our Founders) were criminals.
Post by: Number7 on November 10, 2021, 03:24:04 PM
George III said revolutionaries (i.e., our Founders) were criminals.
georgie the queer king had nothing on current the senile, imposter, fake president fuckwad regime.
Post by: Lucifer on November 16, 2021, 10:32:29 AM
https://twitter.com/Humble_Analysis/status/1460409365228232706?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1460409365228232706%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcitizenfreepress.com%2Fbreaking%2Fmost-vaccinated-region-in-the-world-just-cancelled-christmas%2F
(https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/zzzxx-768x439.jpg)
Post by: Rush on November 16, 2021, 11:41:25 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 16, 2021, 02:17:28 PM
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2021, 06:06:49 AM
Post by: Little Joe on November 17, 2021, 09:07:43 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2021, 09:24:51 AM
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/breaking-osha-suspends-bidens-vaccine-mandate-will-comply-with-5th-circuit-order/
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2021, 09:43:26 AM
Vaccine Mandate is dead.Yuuuuuuuuge. Almost like Lucifer’s girlfriend on the scooter. Lol
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/breaking-osha-suspends-bidens-vaccine-mandate-will-comply-with-5th-circuit-order/
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 17, 2021, 09:51:54 AM
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2021, 09:53:40 AM
Haven't seen this from any of the usual outlets including Drudge and Fox....Seems legit.
https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 17, 2021, 09:59:54 AM
Seems legit.
https://www.osha.gov/coronavirus/ets2
"While OSHA remains confident in its authority to protect workers in emergencies..."
...this ain't one of them.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 17, 2021, 12:29:14 PM
Vaccine Mandate is dead.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/breaking-osha-suspends-bidens-vaccine-mandate-will-comply-with-5th-circuit-order/ (https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/breaking-osha-suspends-bidens-vaccine-mandate-will-comply-with-5th-circuit-order/)
Doesn't matter since most large corporations instituted mandates all by themselves.
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2021, 12:34:41 PM
Doesn't matter since most large corporations instituted mandates all by themselves.
Where it matters is the people who were denied religious accommodation or medical accommodation. The company cannot point the finger at OSHA since no regulation exist, and those effected (laid off or fired) now have recourse through the EEOC and also using the Religious Freedom Restoration Act.
The companies that jumped the gun and instituted mandates "because Biden said so" are now going to have to unravel the bullshit. Hopefully this will dissuade them from blindly wanting to appease the DC's in the future.
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2021, 03:41:22 PM
Doesn't matter since most large corporations instituted mandates all by themselves.There are tens of thousands of businesses with more than 100 employees but less than the large mega employers. Most are breathing a sigh of relief. They can’t afford to lose employees.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 17, 2021, 05:28:49 PM
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2021, 06:20:59 AM
FDA Asks Federal Judge to Grant it Until the Year 2076 to Fully Release Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Data
The fed gov’t shields Pfizer from liability. Gives it billions of dollars. Makes Americans take its product. But won’t let you see the data supporting its safety/efficacy. Who does the gov't work for?
Quote
The FDA has asked a federal judge to make the public wait until the year 2076 to disclose all of the data and information it relied upon to license Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine. That is not a typo. It wants 55 years to produce this information to the public.
As explained in a prior article, the FDA repeatedly promised “full transparency” with regard to Covid-19 vaccines, including reaffirming “the FDA’s commitment to transparency” when licensing Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.
With that promise in mind, in August and immediately following approval of the vaccine, more than 30 academics, professors, and scientists from this country’s most prestigious universities requested the data and information submitted to the FDA by Pfizer to license its COVID-19 vaccine.
The FDA’s response? It produced nothing. So, in September, my firm filed a lawsuit against the FDA on behalf of this group to demand this information. To date, almost three months after it licensed Pfizer’s vaccine, the FDA still has not released a single page. Not one.
Instead, two days ago, the FDA asked a federal judge to give it until 2076 to fully produce this information. The FDA asked the judge to let it produce the 329,000+ pages of documents Pfizer provided to the FDA to license its vaccine at the rate of 500 pages per month, which means its production would not be completed earlier than 2076. The FDA’s promise of transparency is, to put it mildly, a pile of illusions.
It took the FDA precisely 108 days from when Pfizer started producing the records for licensure (on May 7, 2021) to when the FDA licensed the Pfizer vaccine (on August 23, 2021). Taking the FDA at its word, it conducted an intense, robust, thorough, and complete review and analysis of those documents in order to assure that the Pfizer vaccine was safe and effective for licensure. While it can conduct that intense review of Pfizer’s documents in 108 days, it now asks for over 20,000 days to make these documents available to the public.
So, let’s get this straight. The federal government shields Pfizer from liability. Gives it billions of dollars. Makes Americans take its product. But won’t let you see the data supporting its product’s safety and efficacy. Who does the government work for?
The lesson yet again is that civil and individual rights should never be contingent upon a medical procedure. Everyone who wants to get vaccinated and boosted should be free to do so. But nobody should be coerced by the government to partake in any medical procedure. Certainly not one where the government wants to hide the full information relied upon for its licensure until the year 2076!
Post by: Number7 on November 18, 2021, 06:23:32 AM
It's a crock of shit. Just like the liberals defense of the bullshit faux vaccine.
Post by: Lucifer on November 18, 2021, 06:25:12 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 19, 2021, 05:24:40 AM
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/fda-asks-federal-judge-to-grant-it
FDA Asks Federal Judge to Grant it Until the Year 2076 to Fully Release Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Data
The fed gov’t shields Pfizer from liability. Gives it billions of dollars. Makes Americans take its product. But won’t let you see the data supporting its safety/efficacy. Who does the gov't work for?
This was in an email sent to me.
Quote
In a related story, there is an active FOIA before the FDA (don't you just love alphabet soup?) from a large group of doctors and other medical professionals, seeking release of data on these vaccines, in particular, the Pfizer vaccine. The request wants the data so far available on safety and effectiveness of the vaccines, as well as the protocols for testing or study that were used, reports on adverse reactions (reports are that 500,000 people have died from these vaccines worldwide), and also consumer complaints. The request also wants to know the ingredients in these products. The group asking all this is called Public Health and Medical Professionals for Transparency.
Now, if we are to believe the propaganda we have heard, all of this was done before the Emergency Use Authorization was granted. And, also that the results showed that the vaccines were 'safe and effective' - a refrain we hear often. It took only 108 days for the FDA to review and approve these vaccines and grant that authorization, which is now a 'mandate' enforced brutally worldwide. So, there is something to see here that can be made public. The FDA does not want to do this. They are asking for - wait for it - 55 years - to release this data. Not 108 days, but 20,000 days, to make public what they said that they have already reviewed. The FDA claims that they have 36,000 pages of data, and can only review and release 500 pages per month. Believe them if you will.
Post by: Lucifer on November 19, 2021, 05:31:44 AM
Quote
This is a small example of the stunning graft and hypocrisy within the ideological Biden administration.
The White House has announced they are purchasing ten million courses of the new Pfizer COVID therapeutic treatment pill called Paxlovid.
[…] “Today, I’m announcing that we have purchased 10 million treatment courses of the Pfizer antiviral COVID-19 pill, with delivery starting at the end of this year and across 2022.” (link)
The Biden payment to Pfizer is for $5.3 billion {link}. At 10 million courses that equals $530 per treatment.
Laughably, the White House says “pending FDA approval“, as if the FDA would not approve the Pfizer pill.
Oh, BTW, 30 doses of Ivermectin (which would be far more than necessary and would leave 25 weeks of prophylactic doses) would cost approximately $25
Follow. The. Money.
Post by: Lucifer on November 19, 2021, 05:40:51 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 19, 2021, 05:57:53 AM
Quote
Anti-vaxxers are delighted to see Gibraltar -- the most vaccinated country in the world -- has the highest covid infections. Things are so bad that the government cancelled Christmas.
But Gibraltar has not had a covid death since October 15. Why the panic?
So people have covid?
So what?
It is not like smallpox, which at its peak killed one-third of those infected. If you had smallpox, you knew it.
But this virus kills less than 1% of those infected. Most people who have it don't know it. Ignorance is bliss. Unless you have a symptom, you really should not be tested because all it does is panic everyone.
Which brings us to why Gibraltar leads the league in covid cases even though it has suffered only 5 deaths in the past 7 months. The government is obsessed by covid. It keeps testing for covid and it keeps finding covid because covid is a virus and you really cannot stop the spread of a virus.
Sundance at Conservative Treehouse (aka the Last Refuge) pointed out that Geert Vanden Bossche, an expert vaccine developer in Belgium, warned us not to vaccinate everyone. Instead, let healthy people develop a natural immunity.
Sundance distilled the remarks as, "The widespread vaccination rate is creating pressure on the virus to mutate into variants with higher levels of contagion. The unvaccinated group has been keeping the pressure down by defeating the virus and carrying natural immunity. However, as the unvaccinated population is increasingly made smaller, the pressure on the virus to mutate increases. Subsequently, these mutations stay at higher or more effective levels of infection."
So instead of vax mandates (which I oppose) protecting the public, mandates put the public health at risk.
In the London Plague in the 17th century, the mayor ordered all dogs and cats be killed because the experts said the canines and felines spread the disease. It turned out rats did, and killing the dogs and cats protected the rat population.
A better policy might be to get at-risk groups -- old people and people with co-morbidities -- vaccinated and leave everyone else the hell alone.
Leaving people the hell alone is a pretty good public policy in general.
At any rate, quit testing healthy people for it. Stop it. Just stop. All we are doing is amping up anxiety.
Post by: Rush on November 19, 2021, 06:05:44 AM
https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2021/11/quit-testing-for-covid.html
Truth!
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 19, 2021, 08:31:14 AM
https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/fda-asks-federal-judge-to-grant-it
FDA Asks Federal Judge to Grant it Until the Year 2076 to Fully Release Pfizer’s COVID-19 Vaccine Data
The fed gov’t shields Pfizer from liability. Gives it billions of dollars. Makes Americans take its product. But won’t let you see the data supporting its safety/efficacy. Who does the gov't work for?
Glad I waited then. I’ll schedule my jab for 2076 so I’ll be able to complete due research diligence.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 20, 2021, 06:46:56 PM
So Pfizer has made a new, read expensive, drug that works like Ivermectin.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 22, 2021, 07:54:47 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 22, 2021, 08:00:08 AM
Quote
Two months and one day after it was sued, and close to 3 months since it licensed Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine, the FDA released the first round of documents it reviewed before licensing this product. The production consisted of 91 pdf pages, one xpt file, and one txt file. You can download them here.
While it is for the scientists to properly analyze, let me share one observation. One of the documents produced is a Cumulative Analysis of Post-Authorization Adverse Event Reports of [the Vaccine] Received Through 28-Feb-2021, which is a mere 2 ½ months after the vaccine received emergency use authorization (EUA). This document reflects adverse events following vaccination that have completed Pfizer’s “workflow cycle,” both in and outside the U.S., up to February 28, 2021.
Pfizer explains, on page 6, that “Due to the large numbers of spontaneous adverse event reports received for the product, [Pfizer] has prioritised the processing of serious cases…” and that Pfizer “has also taken a [sic] multiple actions to help alleviate the large increase of adverse event reports” including “increasing the number of data entry and case processing colleagues” and “has onboarded approximately [REDACTED] additional fulltime employees (FTEs).” Query why it is proprietary to share how many people Pfizer had to hire to track all of the adverse events being reported shortly after launching its product.
As for the volume of reports, in the 2 ½ months following EUA, Pfizer received a total of 42,086 reports containing 158,893 “events.” Most of these reports were from the U.S. and disproportionately involved women (29,914 vs. 9,182 provided by men) and those between 31 and 50 years old (13,886 vs 21,325 for all other age groups combined, with another 6,876 whose ages were unknown). Also, 25,957 of the events were classified as “Nervous system disorders”
Females between the ages of 30 and 51. Nervous system disorders. That sounds familiar. As a matter of fact, that sounds similar to the concerns raised by some of the women testifying or described in the videos below.
But no cause for alarm since Pfizer explains to the FDA: “The findings of these signal detection analyses are consistent with the known safety profile of the vaccine.” So if they knew these issues were going to arise, then why didn’t they appear to have enough staff to process this expected volume of reports? The grand conclusion by Pfizer to the FDA: “The data do not reveal any novel safety concerns or risks requiring label changes and support a favorable benefit risk profile of to the BNT162b2 vaccine.”
Nothing to see here. Just ask all those women.
Post by: Lucifer on November 22, 2021, 04:48:03 PM
Post by: Lucifer on November 23, 2021, 06:53:50 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10224721/Mum-three-37-DOUBLE-JABBED-dies-worst-case-Covid-hospital-seen.html
Post by: Rush on November 23, 2021, 07:34:08 AM
But I thought we were told that the magic elixir would prevent hospitalizations? And if someone had comorbidities it would help????
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10224721/Mum-three-37-DOUBLE-JABBED-dies-worst-case-Covid-hospital-seen.html
Presumably disease severity acts on a normal distribution (bell curve) and if a population gets the vaccine the entire curve shifts to the left. There are still outliers on the far right who get very severe disease and die, but there will be fewer of them. This one case says nothing about the overall effectiveness of the vaccine.
However, what I said above applies for one variant, and for one point in time from vaccination. Apparently immunity wanes, so the entire bell curve shifts back to the right the longer it’s been since you got the jab, and for a new variant, the curve may go back to original location.
The failure of the vaccine isn’t so much that it doesn’t work, it does. The failure is that it doesn’t work for long, and it doesn’t work at all (or is less effective) against variants, and, most importantly, the public has been lied to and misled and forced into getting it, which has directly caused a backlash against it and hampered, not helped, the goal of mass vaccination. We were told the vaccines protected us against the disease, a lie - it protects only against severity, not getting the disease, we were told we could stop with masks if we got jabbed, a lie, we were told the shutdowns would end and we can eradicate the disease if only we all get jabbed which is the biggest lie of all. The jab does nothing to eradicate the disease. In fact if anything it seems to be encouraging the emergence of new variants.
Post by: Lucifer on November 23, 2021, 07:36:42 AM
The failure of the vaccine isn’t so much that it doesn’t work, it does. The failure is that it doesn’t work for long, and it doesn’t work at all (or is less effective) against variants, and, most importantly, the public has been lied to and misled and forced into getting it, which has directly caused a backlash against it and hampered, not helped, the goal of mass vaccination. We were told the vaccines protected us against the disease, a lie - it protects only against severity, not getting the disease, we were told we could stop with masks if we got jabbed, a lie, we were told the shutdowns would end and we can eradicate the disease if only we all get jabbed which is the biggest lie of all. The jab does nothing to eradicate the disease. In fact if anything it seems to be encouraging the emergence of new variants.
THIS
Post by: Lucifer on November 23, 2021, 09:50:55 AM
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1463174902249361428?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1463174902249361428%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcitizenfreepress.com%2Fbreaking%2Fjoe-biden-thinks-joe-biden-should-resign%2F
Post by: Lucifer on November 25, 2021, 05:46:16 PM
Both now have covid. ::)
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on November 25, 2021, 06:12:04 PM
My younger sister and brother in law are vaccinated.
Both now have covid. ::)
But that's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!
Post by: Little Joe on November 25, 2021, 07:00:30 PM
But that's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!Nobody EVER said that.
Post by: Number7 on November 25, 2021, 08:16:38 PM
Everything they claimed has turned out to be false.
Every time they make a demand it turns out to be a hoax.
I'm sorry for those who still believe that the scam vaccine is anything other than a game being played on us to make money for a small group of fucking crooks.
Post by: Rush on November 25, 2021, 08:32:05 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/11/19/austria-unvaccinated-could-face-prison-as-country-locks-down-and-announces-vaccine-mandate/
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on November 25, 2021, 08:56:05 PM
Austria is now mandating vaccination or face prison.It is hard for me to see how this is not a violation of any number of international conventions on human rights. Forced medical treatments?
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/11/19/austria-unvaccinated-could-face-prison-as-country-locks-down-and-announces-vaccine-mandate/
Post by: nddons on November 25, 2021, 10:00:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LibertyLockPod/status/1463670859349073930?t=KUXZRRvkl8R-uD83804dpQ&s=07
Post by: Anthony on November 26, 2021, 03:14:22 AM
Patriots don’t always wear the Stars and Stripes. This gives me hope.
https://mobile.twitter.com/LibertyLockPod/status/1463670859349073930?t=KUXZRRvkl8R-uD83804dpQ&s=07
Excellent Stan. That guy is the real deal.
Post by: Rush on November 26, 2021, 06:51:05 AM
It is hard for me to see how this is not a violation of any number of international conventions on human rights. Forced medical treatments?
The most baffling thing about covid is how they’ve convinced so many people this is an emergency situation. I don’t think anyone would disagree that in a true emergency that threatened a huge portion of the world’s population, violating individual rights is justified, or at least theoretically defensible. In any case the solution that violated rights would need to be real.
But here we have a disease that is now known to be endemic and not much worse than seasonal flu, which can hardly be called an emergency anymore, and a “solution” that is proving to be only partially effective at best at reducing the already very low death rate and has zero chance of eradicating the disease. Yet we are being told to let government take away our rights under the false promise that we can eradicate this disease like we did smallpox. It’s a lie, and they KNOW it is a lie.
There is a real emergency and it’s not covid. It’s the economic and social consequences of inappropriate policies reacting to covid. Lockdowns, travel restrictions, huge stimulus payments, eviction moratoriums, forced masking, all of this for almost two years and counting is devastating the world and it was all self inflicted, and yet this emergency is not only not being solved, it is being perpetuated by these same tyrants that pretend forced jabs will make it all go away.
Post by: Lucifer on November 26, 2021, 08:21:30 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 01, 2021, 07:07:07 PM
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/health/dying-covid-19-patient-recovers-after-court-orders-ivermectin-treatment
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 01, 2021, 07:17:33 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 02, 2021, 06:56:37 AM
From our friends at Pfizer:
5.3.6 CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF POST-AUTHORIZATION ADVERSE EVENT
REPORTS OF PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) RECEIVED THROUGH 28-FEB-2021
https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf
Post by: Lucifer on December 02, 2021, 07:06:14 AM
Post by: Steingar on December 02, 2021, 12:57:09 PM
Post by: Rush on December 02, 2021, 01:03:45 PM
Luciferase seems to have a real hard-on for this guy.
Because he’s brilliant. Like this incredible truth dump:
Post by: Anthony on December 02, 2021, 07:40:26 PM
Because he’s brilliant. Like this incredible truth dump:
He is SPOT ON.
Yes he is.
Post by: Rush on December 02, 2021, 07:41:45 PM
Yes he is.
You edited my post??
LOL!
Post by: Rush on December 02, 2021, 07:45:20 PM
Yes he is.
Isn’t he though? He cuts right to the bone and yet lays out the whole global perspective all at the same time.
Post by: Anthony on December 03, 2021, 03:51:36 AM
You edited my post??
LOL!
Late night mistake. I can't post with my phone to save my life. Way too small.
Post by: Rush on December 03, 2021, 04:18:56 AM
Late night mistake. I can't post with my phone to save my life. Way too small.
I figured something like that. I can’t do anything on my phone. My mother was going to a cardiology visit and they sent a text with a link to the new patient forms. Like I was going to give all her medical history and sign all the legal BS on a phone! I typed the URL into my desktop and did it there.
Post by: Lucifer on December 03, 2021, 08:21:50 AM
Quote
The FDA's excruciatingly slow release of data related to Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine has already borne fruit, and it's damning despite a trickle of just 500 pages per month out of 329,000 pages - which will take until 2076 to complete.
As first reported by Kyle Becker, there were a total of 42,086 case reports for adverse reactions (25,379 medically confirmed, 16,707 non-medically confirmed), spanning 158,893 total events.
More than 25,000 of the events were classified as "Nervous system disorders."
Post by: Number7 on December 03, 2021, 09:40:31 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/over-42000-adverse-reaction-reports-revealed-first-batch-pfizer-vax-docs
Boy toy mikey will be along with some made up bullshit to counter the truth.
Mits all he has…
Post by: Steingar on December 03, 2021, 10:54:48 AM
Over time, Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial analysis,[c] including conspiracy theories and fringe rhetoric[27] associated with the US radical right,[14][28] the alt-right,[29][30][31] and a pro-Russian bias.[1][32][33][34] Zero Hedge's non-financial commentary has led to a number of site bans by various global social media platforms, although its 2019 Facebook ban[35][36] and 2020 Twitter ban were later reversed.[14][37]
Zero Hedge in-house content is posted under the pseudonym "Tyler Durden"; the founder and main editor was identified as Daniel Ivandjiiski.[26]
The Wikipedia entry concerning Zero Hedge.
Post by: Lucifer on December 03, 2021, 10:58:07 AM
Zero Hedge (or ZeroHedge) is a far-right[12] libertarian[17] financial blog,[13][14] presenting staff-written articles and aggregating news and opinions from external sources.[18] Zero Hedge, per its motto,[a] is bearish in its investment outlook and analysis, often deriving from its adherence to the Austrian School of economics and credit cycles.[22] While often labeled as a financial permabear,[23][24] Zero Hedge has also been described as a source of "cutting-edge news, rumors and gossip in the financial industry".[25]
Over time, Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial analysis,[c] including conspiracy theories and fringe rhetoric[27] associated with the US radical right,[14][28] the alt-right,[29][30][31] and a pro-Russian bias.[1][32][33][34] Zero Hedge's non-financial commentary has led to a number of site bans by various global social media platforms, although its 2019 Facebook ban[35][36] and 2020 Twitter ban were later reversed.[14][37]
Zero Hedge in-house content is posted under the pseudonym "Tyler Durden"; the founder and main editor was identified as Daniel Ivandjiiski.[26]
The Wikipedia entry concerning Zero Hedge.
That's cute. You're using a far left website (Wikipedia) to assail a website in which you disagree. Wikipedia is known for altering and downright censoring most conservative content.
Yet, you don't attack the zero hedge article on it's merits, again, just another one of your predictable moves.
Post by: Lucifer on December 03, 2021, 11:10:58 AM
Zero Hedge (or ZeroHedge) is a far-right[12] libertarian[17] financial blog,[13][14] presenting staff-written articles and aggregating news and opinions from external sources.[18] Zero Hedge, per its motto,[a] is bearish in its investment outlook and analysis, often deriving from its adherence to the Austrian School of economics and credit cycles.[22] While often labeled as a financial permabear,[23][24] Zero Hedge has also been described as a source of "cutting-edge news, rumors and gossip in the financial industry".[25]
Over time, Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial analysis,[c] including conspiracy theories and fringe rhetoric[27] associated with the US radical right,[14][28] the alt-right,[29][30][31] and a pro-Russian bias.[1][32][33][34] Zero Hedge's non-financial commentary has led to a number of site bans by various global social media platforms, although its 2019 Facebook ban[35][36] and 2020 Twitter ban were later reversed.[14][37]
Zero Hedge in-house content is posted under the pseudonym "Tyler Durden"; the founder and main editor was identified as Daniel Ivandjiiski.[26]
The Wikipedia entry concerning Zero Hedge.
https://larrysanger.org/2020/05/wikipedia-is-badly-biased/
Who is Larry Sanger you ask? Why, he's the Co-founder of Wikipedia, and also holds a PhD in Philosophy.
Post by: Number7 on December 03, 2021, 11:22:25 AM
Zero Hedge (or ZeroHedge) is a far-right[12] libertarian[17] financial blog,[13][14] presenting staff-written articles and aggregating news and opinions from external sources.[18] Zero Hedge, per its motto,[a] is bearish in its investment outlook and analysis, often deriving from its adherence to the Austrian School of economics and credit cycles.[22] While often labeled as a financial permabear,[23][24] Zero Hedge has also been described as a source of "cutting-edge news, rumors and gossip in the financial industry".[25]
Over time, Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial analysis,[c] including conspiracy theories and fringe rhetoric[27] associated with the US radical right,[14][28] the alt-right,[29][30][31] and a pro-Russian bias.[1][32][33][34] Zero Hedge's non-financial commentary has led to a number of site bans by various global social media platforms, although its 2019 Facebook ban[35][36] and 2020 Twitter ban were later reversed.[14][37]
Zero Hedge in-house content is posted under the pseudonym "Tyler Durden"; the founder and main editor was identified as Daniel Ivandjiiski.[26]
The Wikipedia entry concerning Zero Hedge.
Quoting bullshit from wiki is like using snopes to 'prove' your bullshit, mikey.
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2021, 06:00:19 AM
Extraordinary curtailment of massive typhus epidemic
in the Warsaw Ghetto
Here's an interesting part
Quote
The Holocaust (9) refers to the Nazi-German annihilation of some
6 million members of European Jewry during WWII (1939–1945).
It is not widely known that this genocide was triggered in no small
part by alleged public health concerns and Germany’s obsession with
disease and fear of epidemics. More specifically, there was a fanatical
fear of typhus spreading to the German people and its army, given
its previous impact as the cause of 5 million deaths after WWI. This
was the pretense given by the Germans for the relocation of Jewish
victims en masse into isolated closed ghettos and camps in wartime
Europe (10–14). However, the same fear of epidemics was also a
pretext used by the Germans as justification to liquidate ghettos,
including their residents.
Initially, the Germans did not even want to establish ghettos because
these were considered to be nourishing ground for infections
(10, 12). However, the German discourse on hygiene was very much
influenced by the anti-Semitic idea of Jews being notorious bearers
of diseases. In the Nazis’ ideology, this evolved into Jews being the
actual disease, so epidemics were to be naturally expected and dealt
with, which in the end meant annihilating the Jews (13). Of course,
hygiene was only one pretext driving Nazi anti-Semitism; but it played
an important part in propaganda efforts to justify anti-Jewish hatred
and politics in this period before the industrial killings.
By October 1941, when an epidemic was raging in the Warsaw
Ghetto, Jost Walbaum, the Chief Health Officer of the General Government
(Occupied Poland) infamously made the accusation: “The
Jews are overwhelmingly the carriers and disseminators of typhus
infection. … There are only two ways [to solve this]. We sentence
the Jews in the ghetto to death by hunger or we shoot them…. We
have one and only one responsibility, that the German people are
not infected and endangered by these parasites. For that, any means
must be right” (14). These words were followed by applause and clapping
from 100 attendees, mostly medical doctors. Previous to this,
SS General Heydrich, the main architect of the Final Solution, specifically
requested that the chief SS physician initiate an epidemic in
Warsaw Ghetto to exterminate the Jews (15). In addition, the highest
German administrative authority in the General Government, Governor
General Hans Frank, alleged in 1943 that the genocidal murder
of 3 million Jews in Poland “was unavoidable for reasons of public
health” (16, 17). These are obvious cases of disease being used as a
weapon of war and pretexts for genocide. Today, more than ever,
society needs to grasp how a virus or bacterium can create utter havoc,
dragging humankind to this terminal point of evil.
Take a look around us right now, and especially in Austria and Germany.
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2021, 06:04:56 AM
SHOCKING: In the wake of Austria's drastic lockdown of unvaccinated people, EU chief calls for throwing out Nuremberg Code
Quote
Ursula Van Der Leyen, the head of the EU commission, told the press on Wednesday that she is in favour of scrapping the long-standing Nuremburg Code and forcing people to get vaccinated against COVID.
Post by: nddons on December 04, 2021, 07:32:18 AM
https://thepostmillennial.com/eu-chief-nuremberg-code?s=09Ticker Carlson’s shoe on Thursday showed Austrian police walking into public places and literally asking to see peoples papers. Sickening and frightening.
SHOCKING: In the wake of Austria's drastic lockdown of unvaccinated people, EU chief calls for throwing out Nuremberg Code
Post by: Number7 on December 04, 2021, 07:40:17 AM
Ticker Carlson’s shoe on Thursday showed Austrian police walking into public places and literally asking to see peoples papers. Sickening and frightening.
For the anti conservative bigots like Mikey, ending human rights for those who refuse to obey their marxist-communist religion is a perfectly acceptable final solution…
Post by: Rush on December 04, 2021, 07:54:27 AM
Post by: Number7 on December 04, 2021, 08:06:39 AM
Post by: Anthony on December 04, 2021, 10:40:25 AM
Ticker Carlson’s shoe on Thursday showed Austrian police walking into public places and literally asking to see peoples papers. Sickening and frightening.
They learned their lessons from the best. The SS, Gestapo....
Post by: jb1842 on December 04, 2021, 01:37:32 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 04, 2021, 01:52:16 PM
One of my very liberal friends was talking about how she was depressed due to life issues, so she decided to get a booster shot to make herself feel better. It's the sheep like her that will eat up anything the government says in regards to covid. People like her is why the hysteria will never go away.
what kind of booster did she think would make her feel better? some kind of "happy" drug?
Post by: Rush on December 04, 2021, 02:00:41 PM
One of my very liberal friends was talking about how she was depressed due to life issues, so she decided to get a booster shot to make herself feel better. It's the sheep like her that will eat up anything the government says in regards to covid. People like her is why the hysteria will never go away.
I think it is here to stay. Five hundred years from now history will talk about the ten year long covid panic which led to a witch hunt for the unvaccinated and worldwide economic collapse which took a half century to recover from.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on December 04, 2021, 02:18:45 PM
One of my very liberal friends was talking about how she was depressed due to life issues, so she decided to get a booster shot to make herself feel better. It's the sheep like her that will eat up anything the government says in regards to covid. People like her is why the hysteria will never go away.
Would they be doing the same thing if President Trump was still in the White House?
Post by: nddons on December 04, 2021, 09:16:49 PM
I think it is here to stay. Five hundred years from now history will talk about the ten year long covid panic which led to a witch hunt for the unvaccinated and worldwide economic collapse which took a half century to recover from.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CXEmfrQJtiJ/?utm_medium=share_sheet
Post by: bflynn on December 04, 2021, 10:31:56 PM
what kind of booster did she think would make her feel better? some kind of "happy" drug?
Soma. It’s the new choice to avoid the blues.
Post by: Lucifer on December 05, 2021, 09:19:11 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2021, 04:06:40 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2021, 04:22:30 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2021, 05:12:47 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 06, 2021, 06:30:25 AM
Just imagine what would happen if we stopped testing constantly for Covid.
A number of years ago, a company that shall not be named stopped doing 3pm security sweeps (looking to make sure safes were locked and no unattended classified documents out on desks).
About a year later the company was proud that security violations and infrations went down signficantly.
hmmmmmm... who could have seen that coming?
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2021, 06:33:40 AM
A number of years ago, a company that shall not be named stopped doing 3pm security sweeps (looking to make sure safes were locked and no unattended classified documents out on desks).
About a year later the company was proud that security violations and infrations went down signficantly.
hmmmmmm... who could have seen that coming?
Not quite the same comparison. ::)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 06, 2021, 06:43:07 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2021, 06:40:18 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2021, 06:43:39 AM
https://torontosun.com/news/national/next-pandemic-could-be-more-lethal-than-covid-vaccine-creator-says
Makes you wonder what they are working on behind the curtain.
Post by: Mr Pou on December 07, 2021, 06:48:44 AM
Also, a giant meteor could wipe everyone out. Just letting you know.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/next-pandemic-could-be-more-lethal-than-covid-vaccine-creator-says
Makes you wonder what they are working on behind the curtain.
Human Anti-virus. Everyone needs to buy a subscription...
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2021, 06:49:20 AM
Human Anti-virus. Everyone needs to buy a subscription...
And be tested....weekly.
Post by: Rush on December 07, 2021, 06:56:56 AM
Also, a giant meteor could wipe everyone out. Just letting you know.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/next-pandemic-could-be-more-lethal-than-covid-vaccine-creator-says
Makes you wonder what they are working on behind the curtain.
The novel coronavirus has killed 5.26 million people across the world, according to Johns Hopkins University, wiped out trillions of dollars in economic output and turned life upside down for billions of people.
IT DID NOT! The overreaction did that!
Post by: Rush on December 07, 2021, 06:58:57 AM
https://twitter.com/BryanDeanWright/status/1468061230736625665
We need to QUIT TESTING. Unless you have symptoms. The so called “case” count would plummet and this would be shown to be the big nothing burger it is.
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2021, 07:07:42 AM
We need to QUIT TESTING. Unless you have symptoms. The so called “case” count would plummet and this would be shown to be the big nothing burger it is.
But testing is a big business. Even bigger when you can get the government to buy millions upon millions of testing kits, and also have government mandate testing.
Just to be safe, everyone should be tested each and every day!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 07, 2021, 08:09:08 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2021, 08:35:13 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 07, 2021, 08:41:43 AM
Also, a giant meteor could wipe everyone out. Just letting you know.
https://torontosun.com/news/national/next-pandemic-could-be-more-lethal-than-covid-vaccine-creator-says
Makes you wonder what they are working on behind the curtain.
"could be more lethal"
no kidding. Being more lethal than covid-19 is a pretty low bar.
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2021, 10:24:39 AM
Post by: Rush on December 07, 2021, 06:02:24 PM
Total realistic assessment and common sense.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 08, 2021, 03:58:55 AM
https://twitter.com/larissa_thomas/status/1468254792711614466
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on December 08, 2021, 08:24:12 AM
Frigging slow learner.
Post by: Rush on December 08, 2021, 09:18:29 AM
8 months?
Frigging slow learner.
Yes, but it seems she started from being brainwashed in the cult and had to deprogram herself:
“ which collapsed my previous model of reality.”
Typical verbiage when having an epiphany that results in having to reconstruct a new world view. If she is a typical urban CNN watcher, it’s a miracle she finally got here.
Post by: Lucifer on December 08, 2021, 09:21:35 AM
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1468248183516114963/pu/vid/534x326/vaohakbj534J5r34.mp4?tag=12
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 08, 2021, 10:44:11 AM
Post by: Number7 on December 08, 2021, 10:58:11 AM
https://www.kktv.com/2021/12/06/teens-recover-quickly-rare-post-vaccine-heart-inflammation-study-says/
Yes... but michael weinstein is perfectly content with it.
Seriously. How could anyone dare to disagree???
After all, he wants everyone that does disagree to die, so we all have his blue print for communist domination.
Post by: Rush on December 08, 2021, 11:55:52 AM
https://www.kktv.com/2021/12/06/teens-recover-quickly-rare-post-vaccine-heart-inflammation-study-says/
My doctor said the same thing, he treated teens that got it. Said they got over it fast, it was no big deal. But they still don’t understand the mechanism why it happens. That’s a red flag to me that maybe it could have future effects. But Michael says covid the disease can also do that, or worse. Okay, but I want to understand WHY. I want to know if they are really the same thing or if there is a different process causing the vaccine related pericarditis from the disease associated pericarditis.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 08, 2021, 03:49:40 PM
This gal is fun to watch on Twitter. COVID has really changed her views on things.
Post by: Rush on December 08, 2021, 04:09:48 PM
https://twitter.com/angrybklynmom/status/1468683128785051654
This gal is fun to watch on Twitter. COVID has really changed her views on things.
Wow, read the article she links. I didn’t know it was this bad.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/us/schools-closed-fridays-remote-learning.html
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 08, 2021, 05:31:40 PM
Wow, read the article she links. I didn’t know it was this bad.Paywalled
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/us/schools-closed-fridays-remote-learning.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/08/us/schools-closed-fridays-remote-learning.html)
Post by: Rush on December 08, 2021, 06:31:47 PM
Paywalled
That’s funny, it let me read it.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 08, 2021, 06:49:38 PM
That’s funny, it let me read it.I think they just want your email so they can spam you and I'm in the process of unsubscribing to all the crap I get currently ;)
Post by: Rush on December 08, 2021, 08:08:16 PM
I think they just want your email so they can spam you and I'm in the process of unsubscribing to all the crap I get currently ;)
But I don’t give them email or anything and it let me through.
Here it is:
Schools Are Closing Classrooms on Fridays. Parents Are Furious.
Desperate to keep teachers, some districts have turned to remote teaching for one day a week — and sometimes more. Families have been left to find child care.
Dec. 8, 2021Updated 9:54 p.m. ET
After Detroit’s public schools announced they would go remote every Friday in December, Caitlin Reynolds has scrambled to make sure someone else can be home with her son, L.J.
After Detroit’s public schools announced they would go remote every Friday in December, Caitlin Reynolds has scrambled to make sure someone else can be home with her son, L.J.Nic Antaya for The New York Times
DETROIT — Caitlin Reynolds, a single mother, was happy that her son, L.J., was finally settled into fourth grade after a rocky experience last year with remote learning.
Then, on Wednesday, Nov. 17, an announcement: Detroit public schools would close their classrooms every Friday in December. There would be virtual school only.
On Friday, a follow-up announcement: School was also canceled starting that Monday, for the entire week of Thanksgiving. This time, there would be no online option.
“You need to take the kids back out again?” Ms. Reynolds said. “How is that not going to be harmful to these students?”
After a few months of relative calm, some public schools are going remote — or canceling classes entirely — for a day a week, or even for a couple of weeks, because of teacher burnout or staff shortages.
At least six other school districts in Michigan extended Thanksgiving break, and three districts in Washington State, including Seattle Public Schools, unexpectedly closed on Nov. 12, the day after Veterans Day. In one instance, Brevard Public Schools in Florida used leftover “hurricane days” to close schools for the entire week of Thanksgiving.
Because of school cancellations last academic year, Ms. Reynolds, who works at a University of Michigan research lab, had already run out of paid time off. Nic Antaya for The New York Times
In Utah, the Canyons School District announced that all of its schools would go remote one Friday a month from November until March, equivalent to more than a week of school.
A few of these districts have closed with very little notice, sending parents to find child care, as well as summon the wherewithal to supervise remote learning. Beyond the logistics, many parents are worried that with additional lost days of in-person school, their children will fall further behind.
School districts cited various reasons for the temporary closings, from a rise in Covid-19 cases to a need to thoroughly sanitize classrooms. But for many schools, the remote learning days — an option that did not exist before the pandemic — are a last-ditch effort to keep teachers from resigning. They are burned out, educators said, after a year of trying to help students through learning loss, and working overtime to make up for labor shortages.
Battles in the classroom — over mask mandates and critical race theory — have also taken a toll, said Randi Weingarten, the president of the American Federation of Teachers, the country’s second-biggest teachers’ union.
“What you hear from teachers is that it’s been too much,” she said. “And they’re trying the best that they can.”
These temporary closures, though, may only hamper relationships with parents at a moment when tensions in many districts are already high.
Because of school cancellations last academic year, Ms. Reynolds, who works at a University of Michigan research lab, had already run out of paid time off. Her mother was able to watch her fourth-grade son last Friday. But now she is trying to make sure someone else can be home with him every Friday this month — or lose hundreds of dollars from her paycheck.
Ms. Reynolds is also worried about academics. She said her son, once a straight-A math student, tested two grade levels behind when he returned to the classroom this year. Nic Antaya for The New York Times
School fights and other outbursts from students led district leaders at Reynolds Middle School, in Fairview, Ore., just east of Portland, to cancel classes from Nov. 18 until Dec. 7. They gave parents two days’ notice.
“Are you kidding me?” said Missy Kisselman, the mother of Sophia, an eighth grader there. “I mean, are you kidding me?”
Ms. Kisselman, who is working out of her living room as a county case manager, said it was “nearly impossible” for her to help Sophia, who has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, with her schoolwork.
“I feel like, if this school knew that they were already understaffed starting this school year, it should have just stayed online,” Ms. Kisselman said.
Steven Padilla, a district spokesman, said the school was using this time to reflect on its safety protocols to “ensure that we will not have to return to short-term distance learning” in the future.
In Portland, Ore., the teachers’ union is proposing early-release days for some of its schools after they return from winter break.
Elizabeth Thiel, president of the Portland Association of Teachers, says her union is receiving an “alarming” number of inquiries from teachers asking for help resigning. If the union can figure out a plan now, she says, that may help avoid mass resignations, which would force schools to go entirely remote.
“It is far better for our students and families to be able to plan on an inconvenience like that, than it would be for the whole system to stop functioning,” Ms. Thiel said.
Kristina Morgan found out days before the policy began that her daughter’s school, outside of Detroit, would go remote every Friday until February.Nic Antaya for The New York Times
In Southfield, outside of Detroit, the school district alerted parents on Oct. 31, a Sunday, that it would go remote that Friday — and then every Friday until February. Kristina Morgan, whose daughter is an eighth grader at University Middle School Academy, said she found out through social media.
A single mother who works for the Wayne County court system, Ms. Morgan now spends the beginning of every week asking family members to watch her daughter, Kennedy. If she cannot find anyone, she will take the day off from work — which she says reflects poorly at the office, and makes her feel like a burden to her family.
The Coronavirus Pandemic: Key Things to Know
New Covid treatments. Two pills for treating Covid-19, by Merck and Pfizer, should be available soon. These new options may be just the beginning: Scientists say we will need an arsenal of drugs to deploy against new variants — especially if those foes erode the protection of existing vaccines.
“It’s very difficult already being a single parent, period,” she said. “But when you have your life figured out based on your child being in school during certain hours — and when I have to scramble to find child care outside of those hours, or to ask around — it’s frustrating.”
Ms. Morgan could leave her teenage daughter at home alone but was worried that she would get distracted by her phone or the internet instead of paying attention to school.
Ms. Morgan could leave her teenage daughter, Kennedy, at home alone but was worried that she would get distracted by her phone or the internet.Nic Antaya for The New York Times
Teneshia Moore, an eighth-grade science teacher at Birney K-8 School, in Southfield, sympathizes with families who must look for child care.
But, she said, teaching during the pandemic has been awful.
“You have to think about not just trying to teach, but to stay safe as well,” she said, adding, “everything just can’t fall on the plate of a teacher.”
Research shows that disruptions during the pandemic led to students falling behind in math and reading, and students who were most affected by the crisis were already behind. Ms. Reynolds, the single mother from Detroit, said her son, once a straight-A math student, tested two grade levels behind when he returned to the classroom this year.
Last Friday, Theo Eggebrecht, 17, a senior in the arts track at Cass Technical High School in Detroit, did not have any at-home supplies for two of his arts classes that day. He said his science teacher did not show up for online class.
Instead, Theo spent several hours doing chores, petting his cat and scrolling through TikTok.
“I’m a senior, this is one of my last years of education,” he said. “It’s nerve-racking to miss out on that.”
Schools have not yet reached winter break, but many teachers are already burned out. It seems that many parents and students are as well.
Ms. Kisselman recalls the moment her daughter asked for help with an assignment.
“She was just in and out of the living room because her anxiety level was so high,” Ms. Kisselman said. “She’s like, ‘What am I supposed to do? How am I supposed to learn on my own?’”
Ms. Kisselman did not have an answer.
“I finally just looked at her and said, ‘Just don’t do anything today,’” Ms. Kisselman said. “‘Just go into the bedroom, and just do whatever, but don’t mess with school today.’”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 09, 2021, 04:25:49 AM
Post by: Anthony on December 09, 2021, 04:53:58 AM
Don't most states have a minimum number of school days required? How are these schools meeting those numbers? The Angry NY City Mom on Twitter posted something about this once. I responded saying some moms needed to form home schooling co-ops and pull their kids from school. We're now creating a group of teachers who only want to work three days a week and get paid for five.
And "work" nine months a year and get paid for 12. ::)
Post by: jb1842 on December 09, 2021, 05:37:07 AM
Post by: nddons on December 09, 2021, 06:18:22 AM
Yet she supported not going back to in-person teaching without masks and vaccines, etc. what a hypocrite.
The bagger at a grocery store was the hero, not these prima donna teachers. .
Post by: Rush on December 09, 2021, 09:27:06 AM
Don't most states have a minimum number of school days required? How are these schools meeting those numbers? The Angry NY City Mom on Twitter posted something about this once. I responded saying some moms needed to form home schooling co-ops and pull their kids from school. We're now creating a group of teachers who only want to work three days a week and get paid for five.
Yes they do. I suppose they are getting around that by calling this an “emergency”.
Post by: Mr Pou on December 09, 2021, 09:28:15 AM
Yes they do. I suppose they are getting around that by calling this an “emergency”.
Online learning, which my daughter HATED.
Post by: bflynn on December 09, 2021, 09:47:52 AM
Post by: texasag93 on December 09, 2021, 10:06:57 AM
Online learning, which my daughter HATED.
Our schools closed from March 2019 to May 2019. The county medical director did not want the schools to open back up in August. The school board had a meeting to find out what the parents thought. There was one lady who said she did not want the school to have in person learning. The rest of us wanted in person. The school made virtual an option and opened the schools.
My daughter's teacher (2nd grade) was Covid crazy. My daughter struggled, but we got her through it. Her current (3rd grade) teacher is awesome.
My son was a freshman in high school. He set up a desk and made school his job. I think the experience of taking away school made him want to learn more.
The problem that I see is many (most) parents are not active in their kids education and virtual school is a disaster without the parents being involved. If the parents do not step up, the kids are going to fail in life. School was the only structure in some kids lives'.
Post by: Rush on December 09, 2021, 12:23:15 PM
Our schools closed from March 2019 to May 2019. The county medical director did not want the schools to open back up in August. The school board had a meeting to find out what the parents thought. There was one lady who said she did not want the school to have in person learning. The rest of us wanted in person. The school made virtual an option and opened the schools.
My daughter's teacher (2nd grade) was Covid crazy. My daughter struggled, but we got her through it. Her current (3rd grade) teacher is awesome.
My son was a freshman in high school. He set up a desk and made school his job. I think the experience of taking away school made him want to learn more.
The problem that I see is many (most) parents are not active in their kids education and virtual school is a disaster without the parents being involved. If the parents do not step up, the kids are going to fail in life. School was the only structure in some kids lives'.
2019?
Post by: Mr Pou on December 09, 2021, 12:29:34 PM
My son was a freshman in high school. He set up a desk and made school his job. I think the experience of taking away school made him want to learn more.
Depends on the kid, our daughter is very social, and not being with friends and in a social atmosphere was very hard. Senior year was better, mostly back on campus, and her mostly back to herself again.
Post by: texasag93 on December 09, 2021, 12:35:14 PM
2019?
2020.
No, I am not day drinking. ;)
(In my defense, has the last year and 9 months, has it not felt like a lot longer than it really has been?)
Post by: Rush on December 09, 2021, 03:45:26 PM
Depends on the kid, our daughter is very social, and not being with friends and in a social atmosphere was very hard. Senior year was better, mostly back on campus, and her mostly back to herself again.
It does depend on the kid. Our two are total opposites. One is like yours, very social. She has to be around people all the time. Remote school would have killed her. Thankfully she’s a nurse and got to work around patients all through the pandemic. It would have been torture for her and our whole family to have her home in a lockdown.
The other is a total introvert. In fact we had to pull her out of school in the middle of the tenth grade and homeschool her the rest of the way. She would have done great in a lockdown, would have been more than happy to stay home and do school remotely. She’s like me, hates people.
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2021, 06:05:07 AM
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/pfizer-ceo-everyone-will-need-a-4th-mrna-vaccine-sooner-than-expected/
Quote
Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said today that people will need a fourth Covid Injection sooner than expected after research shows the Omicron variant can undermine protective antibodies generated by the vaccine.
Pfizer and BioNTech released results from an initial lab study Wednesday morning that showed a third shot is effective at fighting the omicron variant, while the initial two-dose vaccination series dropped significantly in its ability to protect against the new strain. However, the two-dose series likely still offers protection against getting severely sick from omicron, the companies said.
“When we see real-world data, will determine if the omicron is well covered by the third dose and for how long. And the second point, I think we will need a fourth dose,” Bourla told CNBC.
Bourla previously projected that a fourth shot would be needed 12 months after the third dose. “With omicron we need to see because we have very little information. We may need it faster,” he said.
Post by: Mr Pou on December 10, 2021, 06:13:02 AM
It does depend on the kid. Our two are total opposites. One is like yours, very social. She has to be around people all the time. Remote school would have killed her.
Exactly, lockdowns during her junior year killer her, and it's not that she's an unmotivated lady. She scored an ACT of 35, has a wonderful scholarship (1/2 price!), and her lowest class 1st semester freshman at college is a 93. She's killing it, but she needs her posse to survive!
Post by: Rush on December 10, 2021, 06:34:29 AM
Big Pharma CEO's with the assistance of Government. These jabs will never cease, nor be optional.
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/pfizer-ceo-everyone-will-need-a-4th-mrna-vaccine-sooner-than-expected/
You can see him rubbing his hands together and twirling his mustache with glee. This will NEVER end.
Just like two weeks to flatten the curve. Going on two years, millions of jobs lost, livelihoods destroyed. Human life does have a price, and it’s not in the $billions.
Oh but where are the $billions going? Into the pockets of this guy.
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2021, 06:49:22 AM
You can see him rubbing his hands together and twirling his mustache with glee. This will NEVER end.
Just like two weeks to flatten the curve. Going on two years, millions of jobs lost, livelihoods destroyed. Human life does have a price, and it’s not in the $billions.
Oh but where are the $billions going? Into the pockets of this guy.
Big Pharma CEO's now envision themselves as the next Musk or Bezos. Just imagine, your company is asked to produce a product, given tax payer money to develop the product and has guaranteed sales of said product by the government, and big pharma sets the price at whatever they want. Add in that Big Pharma cannot be held liable for any damages created by their product, and government in turn will keep data on the product kept secret.
Moderna has never had a FDA approved product. Pfizer has been involved in the largest health care fraud settlement in history ($2.3 Billion). So yea, I totally trust these companies to do the right thing with my health.
Pfizer has been accused of shaking down smaller countries governments in a style described as "Mafioso" in order to get them to mandate everyone take their drugs. In Australia documents were produced in which Big Pharma was paying politicians millions of dollars to back mandates.
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2021, 06:53:18 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 10, 2021, 06:56:16 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2021, 06:57:37 AM
Post by: Number7 on December 10, 2021, 07:03:02 AM
A person's health information was private...
My body - My choice...
No government can force me to accept their morality as my health choice...
Liberals are stupid. Let's be real.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 10, 2021, 07:34:13 AM
Post by: nddons on December 10, 2021, 07:44:47 AM
It does depend on the kid. Our two are total opposites. One is like yours, very social. She has to be around people all the time. Remote school would have killed her. Thankfully she’s a nurse and got to work around patients all through the pandemic. It would have been torture for her and our whole family to have her home in a lockdown.I think children will be the ultimate victims of this whole clusterfuck. Young children will lose the massive advancements they have by recognizing facial expressions, they’ve all learned to be afraid of a mysterious virus. Older kids have missed out on real learning, athletic opportunities, etc.
The other is a total introvert. In fact we had to pull her out of school in the middle of the tenth grade and homeschool her the rest of the way. She would have done great in a lockdown, would have been more than happy to stay home and do school remotely. She’s like me, hates people.
Post by: Number7 on December 10, 2021, 07:53:20 AM
I think children will be the ultimate victims of this whole clusterfuck. Young children will lose the massive advancements they have by recognizing facial expressions, they’ve all learned to be afraid of a mysterious virus. Older kids have missed out on real learning, athletic opportunities, etc.
The democrat communists have an obsession with destroying anything they can't control, and destroying anything they get control over.
The communist democrat party has failed at everything they ever tried starting with slavery and going on thru segregation, forced busing,
the never ending global warming scam and now the pathetic scamdemic.
Nothing but failure should be their motto.
Post by: Lucifer on December 10, 2021, 09:32:05 AM
I think children will be the ultimate victims of this whole clusterfuck. Young children will lose the massive advancements they have by recognizing facial expressions, they’ve all learned to be afraid of a mysterious virus. Older kids have missed out on real learning, athletic opportunities, etc.
Yep. It's also an indoctrination of fear, and to only trust the government to protect you.
Post by: nddons on December 10, 2021, 10:32:07 AM
Yep. It's also an indoctrination of fear, and to only trust the government to protect you.Exactly.
RIP Freedom. 1865-2020.
The enslaving is complete. The government simply used media and the bully pulpit instead of chains to enslave the populace.
Post by: Anthony on December 10, 2021, 11:39:24 AM
Enslavement by the Elite Class the new ROYALTY. Welcome to the rebirth of Feudalism. >:(
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on December 10, 2021, 12:56:57 PM
Tom Clancy's "Rainbow Six" is probably not a good book to be reading right now...
"Criticism was focused on flat characters and the implausibility of the plot. A review from Orlando Sentinel pointed out: "Clancy may have crossed the line into the realm of the unbelievable...I suspect even some of his most rabid fans will shake their heads at parts of this novel.""
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Six_(novel)
;)
Post by: Mr Pou on December 10, 2021, 01:02:06 PM
Tom Clancy's "Rainbow Six" is probably not a good book to be reading right now...
I remember reading it when it came out, wasn't it the one about an aerosol Ebola variant?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 10, 2021, 01:04:14 PM
I remember reading it when it came out, wasn't it the one about an aerosol Ebola variant?
yup... and a vaccine designed to give people the disease...
Post by: Mr Pou on December 10, 2021, 01:07:54 PM
yup... and a vaccine designed to give people the disease...
Crap, yeah! Scary novel, scary parallel.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 10, 2021, 06:16:59 PM
I think children will be the ultimate victims of this whole clusterfuck. Young children will lose the massive advancements they have by recognizing facial expressions, they’ve all learned to be afraid of a mysterious virus. Older kids have missed out on real learning, athletic opportunities, etc.
All by design.
Post by: Number7 on December 10, 2021, 08:27:11 PM
All by design.
Yep.
Liberals are stupid.
They really do believe the bullshit they babble.
Post by: Anthony on December 11, 2021, 03:08:13 AM
Yep.
Liberals are stupid.
They really do believe the bullshit they babble.
The Useful idiots do. Not their elite masters. They know the score.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 16, 2021, 07:43:21 AM
Joe Rogan interviews Dr. Peter McCullough
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on December 16, 2021, 08:08:43 PM
Headline-
Omicron 'is here, it's spreading and it's going to increase': Masked Biden says unvaccinated are looking at a 'winter of severe illness and death', tells Americans to get boosted and issues stark warning over new variant during meeting with Fauci
And right underneath-
Omicron is 'markedly resistant' to COVID vaccines and boosters shots may only give 'slight protection', Columbia University study finds as US cases of the variant soar by 32 per cent over 24 hours
Post by: nddons on December 16, 2021, 08:49:02 PM
Post by: Rush on December 16, 2021, 09:09:36 PM
Adjacent articles on Daily Mail:
Headline-
Omicron 'is here, it's spreading and it's going to increase': Masked Biden says unvaccinated are looking at a 'winter of severe illness and death', tells Americans to get boosted and issues stark warning over new variant during meeting with Fauci
And right underneath-
Omicron is 'markedly resistant' to COVID vaccines and boosters shots may only give 'slight protection', Columbia University study finds as US cases of the variant soar by 32 per cent over 24 hours
Screw boosters. I’m so over this.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on December 16, 2021, 09:34:36 PM
Screw boosters. I’m so over this.Perhaps it is time to admit that the idea of stopping the spread of this pandemic through the use of these vaccines has failed. The virus has done what they do, mutated around resistance to further its spread.
It may be vaccines reduce severity of illness and bad outcomes sufficiently to have helped. But omicron appearing considerably less dangerous, that just may not matter much at this point.
Post by: Mr Pou on December 17, 2021, 05:38:55 AM
Perhaps it is time to admit that the idea of stopping the spread of this pandemic through the use of these vaccines has failed. The virus has done what they do, mutated around resistance to further its spread.
It may be vaccines reduce severity of illness and bad outcomes sufficiently to have helped. But omicron appearing considerably less dangerous, that just may not matter much at this point.
Covid is going to be around forever, mutating along the way. Just as we have seasonal flu strains, we will have seasonal covid strains. Nothing to see here, folks, move along.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on December 17, 2021, 06:23:15 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 17, 2021, 07:02:38 AM
Are you guys missing the major LIE from Biden?
I guess I am.
but, what isn't a lie from that clown?
Post by: Lucifer on December 17, 2021, 08:06:48 AM
https://www.reuters.com/world/refugees-lack-covid-shots-because-drugmakers-fear-lawsuits-documents-2021-12-16/
Quote
BRUSSELS/BANGKOK, Dec 16 (Reuters) - Tens of millions of migrants may be denied COVID-19 vaccines from a global programme because some major manufacturers are worried about legal risks from harmful side effects, according to officials and internal documents from Gavi, the charity operating the programme, reviewed by Reuters.
Nearly two years into a pandemic that has already killed more than 5 million people, only about 7% of people in low-income countries have received a dose. Vaccine deliveries worldwide have been delayed by production problems, hoarding by rich countries, export restrictions and red tape. Many programmes have also been hampered by hesitancy among the public read more .
The legal concerns are an additional hurdle for public health officials tackling the coronavirus – even as officials say unvaccinated people offer an ideal environment for it to mutate into new variants that threaten hard-won immunity around the world. Many COVID-19 vaccine manufacturers have required that countries indemnify them for any adverse events suffered by individuals as a result of the vaccines, the United Nations says.
Post by: Username on December 17, 2021, 08:22:33 AM
Post by: Number7 on December 17, 2021, 08:49:58 AM
This article screams covidiocy.
https://www.reuters.com/world/refugees-lack-covid-shots-because-drugmakers-fear-lawsuits-documents-2021-12-16/
Democrats are stupid.
Let's face it.
It's true.
Post by: Mr Pou on December 17, 2021, 08:53:35 AM
Democrats are stupid.
Let's face it.
It's true.
Not true, I know plenty of Dems who are plenty smart. Gullible and easily manipulated, but smart.
Post by: Lucifer on December 17, 2021, 09:35:48 AM
And it's easily solved, which again, is ignored.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fentanyl-overdoses-leading-cause-death-adults
Quote
Fentanyl overdoses have surged to the leading cause of death for adults between the ages of 18 and 45, according to an analysis of U.S. government data.
Between 2020 and 2021, nearly 79,000 people between 18 and 45 years old — 37,208 in 2020 and 41,587 in 2021 — died of fentanyl overdoses, the data analysis from opioid awareness organization Families Against Fentanyl shows.
Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid that can be deadly even in very small amounts, and other drugs, including heroin, meth and marijuana, can be laced with the dangerous drug. Mexico and China are the primary sources for the flow of fentanyl into the United States, according to the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA).
Comparatively, between Jan. 1, 2020, and Dec. 15, 2021, there were more than 53,000 COVID-19 deaths among those between the ages of 18 and 49, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
Post by: Rush on December 17, 2021, 09:41:20 AM
Here's the real health emergency that our government ignores.
And it's easily solved, which again, is ignored.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fentanyl-overdoses-leading-cause-death-adults
How is it easily solved? I don’t want Fentanyl to be any more regulated. My little doggie needed a fentanyl patch and I’d hate to think they start throttling the supply because addicts can’t get their shit together. Although I prefer it to be produced inside the U.S. Ever since we started getting all our pharmaceuticals from overseas I’ve seen a decline in quality. Who knows what they put in there, even when it’s legal.
Post by: Number7 on December 17, 2021, 09:41:26 AM
Wonder what biden's master xi does with the profits??
Probably uses them to buy ammunition to kill people for smiling, or thinking unpermitted thoughts.
Post by: Lucifer on December 17, 2021, 09:44:27 AM
How is it easily solved? I don’t want Fentanyl to be any more regulated. My little doggie needed a fentanyl patch and I’d hate to think they start throttling the supply because addicts can’t get their shit together. Although I prefer it to be produced inside the U.S. Ever since we started getting all our pharmaceuticals from overseas I’ve seen a decline in quality. Who knows what they put in there, even when it’s legal.
Cut the supply, which is coming in from China via the southern border. The Mexican Cartels are doing the work for the Chinese.
Close the border, and shut down the trafficking. Increase customs surveillance coming from Asia.
Post by: Rush on December 17, 2021, 09:54:54 AM
Cut the supply, which is coming in from China via the southern border. The Mexican Cartels are doing the work for the Chinese.
Close the border, and shut down the trafficking. Increase customs surveillance coming from Asia.
You mean cut the illegal supply. I’m all for that and strictly enforcing borders. But I’m against the government limiting legal supply, like telling manufacturers they can only make so much, or doctors they can only prescribe so much. All that does is make it harder for legitimate patients to get treated. Like my doggie. :'(
Post by: Lucifer on December 17, 2021, 10:12:21 AM
You mean cut the illegal supply. I’m all for that and strictly enforcing borders. But I’m against the government limiting legal supply, like telling manufacturers they can only make so much, or doctors they can only prescribe so much. All that does is make it harder for legitimate patients to get treated. Like my doggie. :'(
It's the illegal supply that needs to be cut off. These cartels working on behalf of our Chinese friends are polluting our country with this garbage. And the dealers here are lacing all sorts of drugs with it, which in turn is killing thousands.
One would think our government and health officials would be all over this, but they are too consumed with the scamdemic.
Post by: Rush on December 17, 2021, 11:55:57 AM
It's the illegal supply that needs to be cut off. These cartels working on behalf of our Chinese friends are polluting our country with this garbage. And the dealers here are lacing all sorts of drugs with it, which in turn is killing thousands.
One would think our government and health officials would be all over this, but they are too consumed with the scamdemic.
You would think they’d also be all over obesity, diabetes and heart disease as the major killers of adults at way greater numbers than drug addiction and covid combined, where behaviors beginning in early life are the direct cause, driven by the government’s own food pyramid which laid out the map for generations of deaths by these diseases and government subsidizing corn leading to possibly the worst poison known to man: high fructose corn syrup.
Post by: Little Joe on December 17, 2021, 12:10:11 PM
You would think they’d also be all over obesity, diabetes and heart disease asMaybe that's the purpose of Covid: To get rid of those people you describe so that SS and Medicare can be used to take care of people that take care of themselves.
Post by: Mr Pou on December 17, 2021, 12:20:21 PM
You would think they’d also be all over obesity, diabetes and heart disease as the major killers of adults
The big pharma lobby would never let that happen, look at all of the expensive drugs to treat these things. Just as I contend that there will NEVER be a cure to cancer, there's too much money to be made from the disease.
Post by: Number7 on December 17, 2021, 01:16:26 PM
Maybe that's the purpose of Covid: To get rid of those people you describe so that SS and Medicare can be used to take care of people that take care of themselves.
I suspect that the huge vaccine scam will in some way be found to have reduced the population.
When you liberal parasites finish screaming about conspiracies, when was the last time the constitution was so perfectly shredded by communists, I mean democrat communists?
Post by: Little Joe on December 17, 2021, 02:21:40 PM
Huh?
When you liberal parasites finish screaming about conspiracies,
You are such an idiot.
Post by: Rush on December 17, 2021, 02:50:12 PM
I suspect that the huge vaccine scam will in some way be found to have reduced the population.
When you liberal parasites finish screaming about conspiracies, when was the last time the constitution was so perfectly shredded by communists, I mean democrat communists?
Are you calling Little Joe a liberal parasite or were you using the generic you? I didn’t think LJ voted for Democrats.
Post by: Number7 on December 17, 2021, 03:33:47 PM
Huh?
You are such an idiot.
Fuck off karen.
Your act is as lame as it is lazy and whiny.
Post by: Number7 on December 17, 2021, 03:34:53 PM
Are you calling Little Joe a liberal parasite or were you using the generic you? I didn’t think LJ voted for Democrats.
As anyone could tell, my reference was general.’
whittle joey just needs attention.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 18, 2021, 06:43:31 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 18, 2021, 07:32:52 AM
Quote
COVID is over. Oh, not with Anthony Fauci. Not with the media. Not with the sour-faced Karens who have enjoyed the sense of meaning — and power — it’s given them. But with normal people, especially outside the big urban areas, it’s over.
The Atlantic scandalized its readers by reporting that this week. In an article titled “Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID,” Matthew Walther wrote: “No one cares. Literally speaking, I know that isn’t true, because if it were, the articles wouldn’t be commissioned. But outside the world inhabited by the professional and managerial classes in a handful of major metropolitan areas, many, if not most, Americans are leading their lives as if COVID is over, and they have been for a long while.”
And with good reason. I confess that in the early days, I was a COVID hawk. With China reporting a 4 to 5 percent mortality rate, there seemed reason. (In fact, I should have reflected more on the untrustworthiness of information from China, especially after the experience of the Diamond Princess cruise ship suggested that COVID was a lot less scary than we were told.)
But science, and rationality in general, is about changing your opinions when you learn new facts. And what we’ve learned is that COVID is somewhat worse than the flu but not nearly bad enough to justify the enormous, expensive and disruptive changes we’ve endured.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 18, 2021, 07:42:12 AM
The hospital, after some jousting, did allow the wife to suit up and be with her husband when he was removed from the ventilator. Getting his daughter in took an Act of Congress before they relented. Almost forgot, another daughter, that live locally, also has tested positive.
Post by: Number7 on December 18, 2021, 07:47:25 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 19, 2021, 04:42:33 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 19, 2021, 05:06:20 PM
it doesn't matter whether someone tests positive or tests negative, it's always always always get vaccinated, get the booster, wear masks.
Post by: Lucifer on December 19, 2021, 05:26:24 PM
notice how it's always: get vaccinated, get the booster, wear masks.
it doesn't matter whether someone tests positive or tests negative, it's always always always get vaccinated, get the booster, wear masks.
And it will be always, until people just stop complying.
Notice the MSM is back to playing “cases”....a meaningless measure.
And using the word pandemic. This isn’t a pandemic. Never was.
Post by: Number7 on December 19, 2021, 05:55:00 PM
What if that’s all it is?
Post by: Anthony on December 20, 2021, 03:27:37 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2021, 05:46:51 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2021, 06:03:10 AM
Quote
Physicians who still practice medicine cannot afford to write or say the following for fear of being canceled. As a retired physician, I cannot be coerced to keep silent with threats to my medical license or hospital privileges.
COVID-19 is probably the greatest and most successful swindle in history. By comparison, Carlo Ponzi and Bernie Madoff were pikers. The COVID scam has affected most of earth’s 7.8 billion inhabitants, consumed trillions of dollars, and achieved a level of government control unprecedented in modern democracies.
The COVID “pandemic of fear” is a con, perpetrated by those in power to extend and expand their power. Their scheme is simple. Take a new flu-like respiratory virus created in China, COVID-19; tout it as a threat to all human life; suspend (temporarily, of course!) personal liberty and freedom; then justify their tyranny by asserting a need to protect all Americans from death by virus. When the threat recedes, redefine the terms, demand vaccine passports, and booster shots to maintain public fear. As new viral variants evolve such as Delta or Omicron, resume draconian measures including masks and lockdowns, more boosters, and loss of employment if unvaccinated.
Make sure any evidence exposing the scam is labeled “misinformation.” Censor any reports that call into question the accuracy of official narratives. Punish those who question the government or refuse the mandates.
Is COVID a scam, or is it a real danger? Are masks safe? What are the effects of Washington’s anti-COVID policies: medical, political, financial, and social? Does natural immunity protect us? Do medications work? What does the data show us?
Medical risk. Based on CDC data, the risk of death for children is less than 0.1 percent and for healthy adults less than 0.17 percent. COVID is dangerous only to a small segment of the population: the elderly, diabetics, and the infirm with serious pre-existing medical conditions such as immunocompromise, chronic lung disease, kidney or heart failure, often several of these illnesses in a single patient.
Since the true health risk could never justify the imposition of pseudo-martial law and taking away constitutionally guaranteed freedoms, Washington said COVID was an existential threat to all, like bubonic plague or Ebola.
To provoke public panic, Washington reported “COVID deaths” on a daily (sometimes hourly) basis, claiming a total COVID death toll of more than 790,000. This mortality data is distorted. Only 12 to 23 percent of the deaths were actually due to the virus, based on autopsy data and medical demographics respectively. The majority died primarily because of their pre-existing conditions. Anyone who died with a positive COVID test was classified by the CDC as a COVID death regardless of the real reason they died, viz., a fatal motorcycle crash.
Mask mandates. The Washington swamp mandated lockdowns, social distancing, and wearing face masks, as a demonstration of their power.
It may seem reasonable that masks are protective, but medical data from Sweden, Israel, and U.S. schools suggest otherwise. They don’t protect. Worse, masks may actually be dangerous. A group of concerned Florida parents performed a study, which revealed that kids’ face masks contained dangerous pathogens that can cause pneumonia, Lyme disease, tuberculosis, and meningitis, among others. Mask efficacy and safety research was not done by Washington as it would have revealed their scam.
Effects of Washington policies. The touted benefit of Washington’s COVID mandates is saving lives. The cost of their mandates – lockdowns, PPE, social distancing, and coerced injections – is both staggering and ignored by the feds. Deaths due to social isolation are up, in the elderly as well as teenage suicides. So too are both crime and drug usage. Mental health has declined as have opportunities to learn for school-age children. Economic losses, particularly in small businesses, are massive.
Would Americans have accepted such self-destruction if Washington had been truthful about COVID being merely a new flu, dangerous only to a small fraction of the population?
Immune protection. In those with intact immune systems, viral infection first induces protective antibodies and later T-cells and B-cells. Antibodies gradually fade months after the infection, but the T- and B- killer cells retain the memory of the viral signature and provide long-term protection. This is called natural immunity. When enough people have acquired such post-infection (natural) protection, herd immunity stops viral spread.
A natural immune response occurs when the killer cells’ memory sees any one of the numerous viral protein “spikes.” Vaccination with mRNA gene therapy teaches the immune system to identify and respond to only one protein spike. Natural immunity is stronger and more protective than mRNA injection, even with boosters.
The precise number of Americans with natural immunity is grossly underestimated because the true number of COVID infections is not known. For the first year of COVID, only symptomatic patients were tested. How many asymptomatic COVID “cases” were never identified? Almost certainly, tens of millions,
The federal government minimizes the number of asymptomatic COVID infections because of natural immunity. Washington even denies natural immunity’s protective nature. Admitting this would reduce the fear factor.
Treatment. To maintain the COVID scam, Washington has to ignore, disparage, and even suppress information about treatments for COVID such as Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin, and monoclonal antibodies. Otherwise, there is no justification for imposing mandates.
Call to Action
Americans have a bone-deep commitment to individual liberty and freedom. This is apparent from the grassroots activities pushing back against recent authoritarian over-reach, from parents suing school boards over CRT and vaccine mandates for kids to sinking poll numbers for the Biden administration.
With the COVID scam exposed, the following is our call to action.
Recognize what is happening and why. Washington has created a false threat from COVID. The scam is designed to circumvent the Constitution and restore tyranny, this time by the professional political class rather than an aristocracy.
Resist Washington’s power-grab. Wear a face mask or don’t: you choose. Spend your money at businesses that reject Washington mandates. Use the courts to push back against federal overreach and illegal orders.
Reject self-styled medical authorities with megalomaniacal statements like “I represent science,” as though other physicians’ studies or experience aren’t real science. When bureaucrat-MDs like Fauci, Birx and Collins tell Americans what reports and data they cannot see, reject such censorship. When President Biden orders you to inject yourself with experimental gene therapy (mRNA), reject his instructions. Decide for yourself.
Also reject news outlets and social media that support Washington’s scam, viz., New York Times, Washington Post, CNN; and YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter.
Republish studies labeled “misinformation,” denigrated, downplayed, or outright censored. A Google search for the Great Barrington Declaration produced: “This site can’t be reached.”
Replace government officials who support and encourage the federal scam. Use the ballot box at all levels, from president, congress, governors, and state representatives to your local school board and city council.
Progressive Democrats, temporarily in control of both Congress and the White House, are engaged in realpolitik, German for practical politics. Realpolitik is a system of decision-making focused solely on increasing one’s power with no regard for ethics, morality, or effect on others. The COVID scam may be their greatest ploy as they move forward on their Path to Power and the resumption of tyranny.
Deane Waldman, M.D., MBA is Professor Emeritus of Pediatrics, Pathology, and Decision Science; former director of the Center for Healthcare Policy at Texas Public Policy Foundation; former Director, New Mexico Health Insurance Exchange; and author of the multi-award-winning book Curing the Cancer in U.S. Healthcare: StatesCare and Market-Based Medicine
Post by: nddons on December 20, 2021, 07:37:27 AM
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/12/the_covid_scam_the_progressive_path_to_power_and_tyranny.htmlThat’s a well researched article. Of course Steingar would look down over his bifocals and tell is it’s just from a “Right Wing blog,” whatever the hell those are.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 20, 2021, 08:27:06 AM
Fauxchahantis Warren has COVID.
With other similar announcements from Democrats, I'm beginning to believe this is some kind of false flag event in front of Biden's speech tomorrow.
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2021, 08:47:26 AM
With other similar announcements from Democrats, I'm beginning to believe this is some kind of false flag event in front of Biden's speech tomorrow.
They probably got it from some unvaccinated person. Or something like that. ::)
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2021, 08:52:41 AM
Quote
“One of the reasons why we took those steps is because we knew the definition of vaccination would be a shifting target. And I predicted this a month and a half ago, and people said that I was wrong. And now we’re starting to see it come to fruition. So there’s going to be people who have done, you know, maybe two Pfizer shots who are not doing the booster, and they could be considered in certain parts of the country to be unvaccinated and denied the ability to participate in society like everybody else.”
“It’s gone way, way too far, and that is a decision that people should make for themselves. But they should not have their rights, freedoms or liberties restricted based on these boosters.”
Gov Ron DeSantis, FL
Post by: jb1842 on December 20, 2021, 08:53:43 AM
With other similar announcements from Democrats, I'm beginning to believe this is some kind of false flag event in front of Biden's speech tomorrow.
Yep. More excuses for Biden and the government to implement illegal/unconstitutional measures against the people.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 20, 2021, 09:08:20 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2021, 09:33:50 AM
Yep. More excuses for Biden and the government to implement illegal/unconstitutional measures against the people.
Over what is essentially a mild cold.
Post by: Number7 on December 20, 2021, 10:14:55 AM
or a vaccinated person that wasn't wearing the magic piece of cloth
The paper pacifier will soon become as common as car keys if the communist democrat party gets its way.
Post by: jb1842 on December 20, 2021, 10:21:41 AM
Over what is essentially a mild cold.
My brother is getting over covid right now. He said 2 days were bad, but nothing worse than the flu besides that. Not vaccinated. Works for TSA so he got 10 days free leave, so he's happy about that.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 20, 2021, 10:24:42 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 20, 2021, 10:29:12 AM
More Democrat types announcing they have COVID, Spidey sense is really up now.
is that the new badge of honor for those types? catching this "deadly" virus from the vast number of unvaccinated troglodytes?
Post by: jb1842 on December 20, 2021, 10:37:18 AM
is that the new badge of honor for those types? catching this "deadly" virus from the vast number of unvaccinated troglodytes?
Yep. Then blame the unvaccinated, who they will portray as people on the right. Then try to take the moral high road with it
Post by: Little Joe on December 20, 2021, 10:47:26 AM
is that the new badge of honor for those types? catching this "deadly" virus from the vast number of unvaccinated troglodytes?I think it's more of an "I told you so".
Post by: jb1842 on December 20, 2021, 10:53:24 AM
I think it's more of an "I told you so".
No. It will be do what we tell you.
Post by: nddons on December 20, 2021, 11:48:18 AM
is that the new badge of honor for those types? catching this "deadly" virus from the vast number of unvaccinated troglodytes?Yep, just like the unknown actor on an unknown show Jussie Smollet. He pathetic search for name recognition overcame logic so he made up a fantastical story of two MAGA guys who happen to be carrying bleach and a noose at 2:00AM in Chicago. This from the generation that can’t tie their own shoes let alone fashion a noose.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 20, 2021, 11:48:51 AM
You have to learn to think like they do.
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2021, 11:58:33 AM
They are drunk on a river of flowing money, and want it forever. They have willing politicians they can buy, and a dolt in the WH that will read anything from the TelePrompter.
Long Live the Magic Elixir!!!
Post by: Lucifer on December 20, 2021, 06:46:51 PM
President Biden wants everyone to get vaccinated. He is planning a speech for tomorrow night. What better time to have a bunch of vaccinated Democrats announce they have tested positive.
You have to learn to think like they do.
(https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/zzzz-15.jpg)
(https://citizenfreepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Covid-Vaccine-Mask-Mandate.jpeg)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 21, 2021, 06:20:32 AM
https://twitter.com/angrybklynmom/status/1473279292859629582 (https://twitter.com/angrybklynmom/status/1473279292859629582)
She has gained quite a following.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 21, 2021, 06:39:02 AM
Is it not evident at this point, that Democrats are not following their own rules? If they were, they would not be getting COVID, either that or their rules are useless.
If the President was in close contact with a staffer who tested positive for COVID, should he not quarantine for ten days?
Post by: Lucifer on December 21, 2021, 07:07:34 AM
Thoughts for the day....
Is it not evident at this point, that Democrats are not following their own rules? If they were, they would not be getting COVID, either that or their rules are useless.
If the President was in close contact with a staffer who tested positive for COVID, should he not quarantine for ten days?
This has nothing to do with a virus, health or science. Nothing.
We are witnessing a party and a presidency in collapse. While they are collapsing, they are getting angrier, and desperately trying to hold onto power. They know they've alienated voters and have pissed off the citizenry.
The charade now is too blame all their problems on the unclean (non vaccinated) and hope everyone will join with them and go after them, denounce them and attack them, which in turn will hopefully get everyone's mind off of where the real problem lays.
You're being played again folks. Except this time fewer and fewer are believing it.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 21, 2021, 07:09:13 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 21, 2021, 07:30:23 AM
https://thenationalpulse.com/news/pfizer-is-buying-a-cardiovascular-biopharma-company-for-6-7bn/
Quote
Utah-based Arena has existing partnerships with United Therapeutics, who focus their research efforts on pulmonary arterial hypertension. Pfizer’s decision to acquire Arena and their relationship with United Therapeutics is certain to net the company more in return than the bowel disease treatment touted by the corporate press.
Arena’s Crunchbase page also boasts the company’s focus on cardiovascular and inflammatory diseases. A post on their website states the company is “expanding our capabilities to study cardiovascular conditions.”
One of the core issues related to COVID-19 is a predisposition to pulmonary arterial hypertension.
COVID-19 vaccinations have also been heavily linked to cardiovascular issues such as myocarditis, especially in young men. Though a majority of the mainstream news media’s reportage has focused on Moderna’s mRNA vaccine for COVID-19 and links to myocarditis, Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine has also been linked to the heart condition.
Post by: Username on December 21, 2021, 08:18:23 AM
This has nothing to do with a virus, health or science. Nothing.You're exactly right. Their best chance is to get us all united against a common enemy. Can't be the virus, because Biden said that he had a plan to get rid of it. Bury that speech. Can't be Trump because any mention just makes him more popular. So now we must all unite behind shaming, attacking, and confining the dirty unvaxxed. Easily identifiable by their lack of proper credentials. Look! Even the elite are being contaminated by the dirty unvaxxed. Let's unite to save the country. (But don't look at the southern border where thousands of unvaxxed are pouring in.)
We are witnessing a party and a presidency in collapse. While they are collapsing, they are getting angrier, and desperately trying to hold onto power. They know they've alienated voters and have pissed off the citizenry.
The charade now is too blame all their problems on the unclean (non vaccinated) and hope everyone will join with them and go after them, denounce them and attack them, which in turn will hopefully get everyone's mind off of where the real problem lays.
You're being played again folks. Except this time fewer and fewer are believing it.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 21, 2021, 08:22:06 AM
[sniperooo] (But don't look at the southern border where thousands of unvaxxed are pouring in.)
xenophobe
Post by: Username on December 21, 2021, 08:24:23 AM
xenophobeAnd proud of it!
Post by: Username on December 21, 2021, 08:28:51 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 22, 2021, 05:32:48 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 22, 2021, 05:34:22 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 22, 2021, 05:37:09 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 22, 2021, 06:42:43 AM
https://twitter.com/angrybklynmom/status/1473627758651748353
Post by: Rush on December 22, 2021, 07:22:43 AM
Interesting Twitter thread.....
https://twitter.com/angrybklynmom/status/1473627758651748353
The one that said North Carolina. We in NC used to joke about it. They’d go to Florida then not like it and come halfway back up and stop in NC and that was back in the day. They’ve ruined Wake County and are currently ruining it even more. My in-laws just had two houses in their neighborhood bought by NYC liberals.
Post by: jb1842 on December 22, 2021, 07:29:41 AM
The one that said North Carolina. We in NC used to joke about it. They’d go to Florida then not like it and come halfway back up and stop in NC and that was back in the day. They’ve ruined Wake County and are currently ruining it even more. My in-laws just had two houses in their neighborhood bought by NYC liberals.
Go hunting and hang/skin a deer in your driveway.
Post by: Mr Pou on December 22, 2021, 07:33:14 AM
Post by: elwood blues on December 22, 2021, 09:33:24 AM
VA and NC have largely been turned blue by snowbirds. Sad.
That's like an Alaskan moving to Minnesota to escape the snow. Stupid liberals.
Post by: bflynn on December 22, 2021, 10:46:35 AM
Virginia because of the DC area.
North Carolina because of big companies in Charlotte and the Research Triangle.
Post by: Little Joe on December 22, 2021, 02:45:48 PM
The one that said North Carolina. We in NC used to joke about it. They’d go to Florida then not like it and come halfway back up and stop in NC and that was back in the day. They’ve ruined Wake County and are currently ruining it even more. My in-laws just had two houses in their neighborhood bought by NYC liberals.We call those people "halfbacks". They move to Florida, them move halfway back.
Post by: texasag93 on December 22, 2021, 04:01:34 PM
Interesting Twitter thread.....
https://twitter.com/angrybklynmom/status/1473627758651748353
F***tards need to learn how to vote when they leave their home state, otherwise they are bringing their problems with them.
Post by: Anthony on December 23, 2021, 01:59:21 AM
F***tards need to learn how to vote when they leave their home state, otherwise they are bringing their problems with them.
This happens EVERYWHERE. N7 is right. Democrats are just plain stupid, politically speaking and in other ways..STUPID.
Post by: Lucifer on December 23, 2021, 04:02:54 PM
Post by: Little Joe on December 23, 2021, 04:32:16 PM
This happens EVERYWHERE. N7 is right. Democrats are just plain stupid, politically speaking and in other ways..STUPID.Then how have they been able to take control and bring the country to it's knees?
Oh, because people are stupid too.
Post by: Rush on December 23, 2021, 07:32:27 PM
Then how have they been able to take control and bring the country to it's knees?
Oh, because people are stupid too.
The rank and file voting Democrats are stupid. The ones who took control and brought the country down are Machiavellian psychopaths.
Post by: Number7 on December 23, 2021, 09:16:51 PM
Then how have they been able to take control and bring the country to it's knees?
Oh, because people are stupid too.
You really have no clue...
Post by: Anthony on December 24, 2021, 03:51:42 AM
The rank and file voting Democrats are stupid. The ones who took control and brought the country down are Machiavellian psychopaths.
Exactly. Thank you.
Post by: Rush on December 24, 2021, 04:32:53 AM
You really have no clue...
Not to speak for Little Joe but I think he means the Democrat refugees from blue states stupidly continue to vote Democrat in their new red state home. And stupidly vote for my referenced Machiavellian psychopaths.
Post by: Little Joe on December 24, 2021, 04:44:45 AM
You really have no clue...Other than the pleasure you find by flinging insults, what did you find clueless about my post? Are you saying a majority of the people are smart and vote wisely?
One of us (or perhaps both) have no clue.
Post by: Little Joe on December 24, 2021, 04:46:19 AM
Exactly. Thank you.Rush rephrased and confirmed what I said, and you agreed. Chester called me clueless and you "liked" that.
::)
Post by: jb1842 on December 24, 2021, 04:50:23 AM
Post by: Rush on December 24, 2021, 04:54:56 AM
NORADs Santa Tracker has him wearing a mask. Alone in his sleigh.
Wow! You’re right! Alone at altitude, open cockpit.
This is madness, it’s absolute insanity. It’s got to stop.
Post by: Number7 on December 24, 2021, 05:51:32 AM
Rush rephrased and confirmed what I said, and you agreed. Chester called me clueless and you "liked" that.
::)
Got your feelings hurt again, I see.
Post by: Little Joe on December 24, 2021, 06:05:41 AM
Got your feelings hurt again, I see.Hurt feelings? Naw. Why would my feelings be hurt by your lack of comprehension? Your posts give me more laughs than Steingar's.
I was a little disappointed with Anthony though.
Post by: Number7 on December 24, 2021, 06:39:48 AM
Hurt feelings? Naw. Why would my feelings be hurt by your lack of comprehension? Your posts give me more laughs than Steingar's.
I was a little disappointed with Anthony though.
Try not to stain your bib with tears.
Snowflakes are so predictable.
Post by: Little Joe on December 24, 2021, 07:53:04 AM
Try not to stain your bib with tears.You are projecting again. It is your feelings that are hurt because I pointed out how wrong and stupid your post was.
Snowflakes are so predictable.
Post by: Anthony on December 24, 2021, 08:29:05 AM
Hurt feelings? Naw. Why would my feelings be hurt by your lack of comprehension? Your posts give me more laughs than Steingar's.
I was a little disappointed with Anthony though.
Which one? Where i called Democrats stupid for moving out of areas that suffer high costs of living, taxes and lack of freedoms to more conservative areas that are better, then ruin them too. Yeah, that's stupid behavior.
Post by: Little Joe on December 24, 2021, 08:37:03 AM
Which one? Where i called Democrats stupid for moving out of areas that suffer high costs of living, taxes and lack of freedoms to more conservative areas that are better, then ruin them too. Yeah, that's stupid behavior.No. I was referring to where you “liked” N7s post calling me clueless.
Post by: Rush on December 24, 2021, 08:48:31 AM
No. I was referring to where you “liked” N7s post calling me clueless.
I wondered about that too. ALL of us, including Number7, agree Democrats are stupid. What are y’all disagreeing about?
Post by: nddons on December 24, 2021, 09:45:44 AM
Not to speak for Little Joe but I think he means the Democrat refugees from blue states stupidly continue to vote Democrat in their new red state home. And stupidly vote for my referenced Machiavellian psychopaths.I’m stealing Machiavellian psychopaths. It is a PERFECT description.
Post by: nddons on December 24, 2021, 09:50:18 AM
No. I was referring to where you “liked” N7s post calling me clueless.Anthony = Chester??
Post by: Little Joe on December 24, 2021, 09:56:33 AM
Anthony = Chester??No. Not Anthony.
But why should I be surprised.
Go back and read it so I don't have to explain to you who I caledl Chester.
Post by: nddons on December 24, 2021, 10:29:33 AM
No. Not Anthony.Lighten up Francis. I was confused; I don’t see “likes” on Tapatalk, and I don’t know who Chester is. And frankly I don’t give a shit.
But why should I be surprised.
Go back and read it so I don't have to explain to you who I caledl Chester.
Merry Christmas.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 24, 2021, 02:32:59 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 24, 2021, 02:37:52 PM
The Angry NYC Mom on Twitter asked yesterday which was better Texas or Florida. Some of us offered up other states as well but the majority of answers were, "don't bring your past voting habits to your new state"
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.dailymail.co.uk%2Fi%2Fnewpix%2F2018%2F06%2F20%2F06%2F4D6F20EF00000578-5863981-image-m-25_1529472388509.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fsigiq.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2019%2F02%2Ftexas_has_a_great_sign_for_liberals_fleeing_ca_due_to_liberal_policies.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Post by: Lucifer on December 24, 2021, 02:39:58 PM
Quote
German airline Lufthansa is slashing its winter schedule as a result of reduced demand amid the omicron variant. It's also struggling with pilots off sick over the holiday period.German air carrier Lufthansa plans to cut 33,000 flights from its winter schedule, about 10% of its total flight plan.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 26, 2021, 09:25:47 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 28, 2021, 06:43:27 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 28, 2021, 06:51:34 AM
Post by: Anthony on December 28, 2021, 07:03:46 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on December 28, 2021, 08:21:28 AM
We are now beyond the bizarre and into the SURREAL with this Covid crap. Mass hysteria is too nice of a characterization. This is mass idiocy. All over a freaking Cold.
The pendulum always swings back the other way, the further it swings left, the harder it's going to the right when it does. I predict that all these "woke" folks are going to be in a world of hurt when it does.
Post by: Rush on December 28, 2021, 02:21:54 PM
https://globalnews.ca/news/8427026/toronto-quarantine-hotel-no-food/
Post by: Lucifer on December 28, 2021, 02:53:58 PM
Quarantine lunacy in Canada:
https://globalnews.ca/news/8427026/toronto-quarantine-hotel-no-food/
But she could catch a cold......AND DIE!!!!!!!
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on December 28, 2021, 07:16:31 PM
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/28/23/52312515-10351263-The_president_told_reporters_that_he_was_on_calls_all_day_and_ma-a-46_1640735596256.jpg)
Post by: Rush on December 28, 2021, 07:55:00 PM
Why is he wearing a fucking mask?
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/28/23/52312515-10351263-The_president_told_reporters_that_he_was_on_calls_all_day_and_ma-a-46_1640735596256.jpg)
Literal insanity. I cannot believe what this great country has come to.
Post by: nddons on December 28, 2021, 08:42:20 PM
Literal insanity. I cannot believe what this great country has come to.I see a sad, old man in rapid decline. Exactly the optics that the democrats want to show to the world what the United States has become.
Remember when Obama dismissed American Exceptionalism? This is what he wanted to show to the world. We aren’t special.
Well fuck that.
Post by: Anthony on December 29, 2021, 02:25:23 AM
Why is he wearing a fucking mask?
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/28/23/52312515-10351263-The_president_told_reporters_that_he_was_on_calls_all_day_and_ma-a-46_1640735596256.jpg)
Because he's a fucking asshole. I'm so sick of this.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 29, 2021, 05:54:04 AM
Why is he wearing a fucking mask?
for the same reason some people were required to wear masks during zoom calls.
Post by: nddons on December 29, 2021, 06:58:54 AM
for the same reason some people were required to wear masks during zoom calls.Politicians, bank robbers and Antifa all wear masks for the same exact reasons - to steal from us and destroy our country without seeing their faces.
Post by: Lucifer on December 29, 2021, 07:04:57 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 29, 2021, 07:06:09 AM
Post by: texasag93 on December 29, 2021, 12:28:21 PM
Why is he wearing a fucking mask?
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/28/23/52312515-10351263-The_president_told_reporters_that_he_was_on_calls_all_day_and_ma-a-46_1640735596256.jpg)
..because his handlers told him to.
Post by: Lucifer on December 30, 2021, 06:48:59 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 01, 2022, 07:48:40 PM
https://twitter.com/elisawine14/status/1477458206158950400
Post by: Rush on January 01, 2022, 08:38:33 PM
And now this thread.....
https://twitter.com/elisawine14/status/1477458206158950400
All those New Yorkers leaving. They better not vote for all that same shit in our wonderful red states. >:(
Post by: Old Crow on January 01, 2022, 09:34:46 PM
Post by: Anthony on January 02, 2022, 03:11:58 AM
If they vote like the Massholes that moved to New Hampshire have in the past look out! They don't seem to change their ways.
It's because they're idiots. Nothing more. Entitled, indoctrinated, overly affluent.
Post by: Little Joe on January 02, 2022, 05:49:36 AM
All those New Yorkers leaving. They better not vote for all that same shit in our wonderful red states. >:(We have had two families from New York and one from New Jersey move within a few houses of us. They are proudly Republican and moved here to escape the politics of their hometowns.
Post by: nddons on January 02, 2022, 08:44:43 AM
We have had two families from New York and one from New Jersey move within a few houses of us. They are proudly Republican and moved here to escape the politics of their hometowns.There’s no doubt there are legitimate political refugees coming from deep blue states, but it’s indisputable that the influx from blue states to red is bringing democrat voters to red states. Look at what they’ve done to Colorado, Arizona, and North Carolina for example. When I lived in Charlotte 2000-2006, NC was a very solid red state. No longer.
Post by: Lucifer on January 02, 2022, 08:46:57 AM
There’s no doubt there are legitimate political refugees coming from deep blue states, but it’s indisputable that the influx from blue states to red is bringing democrat voters to red states. Look at what they’ve done to Colorado, Arizona, and North Carolina for example. When I lived in Charlotte 2000-2006, NC was a very solid red state. No longer.
Hence why Biden is dumping illegals into selected (free state) areas, among other reasons.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 02, 2022, 09:13:38 AM
There’s no doubt there are legitimate political refugees coming from deep blue states, but it’s indisputable that the influx from blue states to red is bringing democrat voters to red states. Look at what they’ve done to Colorado, Arizona, and North Carolina for example. When I lived in Charlotte 2000-2006, NC was a very solid red state. No longer.The burbs of Atlanta have been affected also, previously red counties are turning blue.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 02, 2022, 09:14:12 AM
Hence why Biden is dumping illegals into selected (free state) areas, among other reasons.
Most recently got caught dumping them into Scranton, PA.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 02, 2022, 08:03:04 PM
Fauci's wife works for the NIH and his daughter works for Twitter.
Good night.
Post by: elwood blues on January 02, 2022, 09:56:23 PM
You can't make this stuff up.
Post by: Rush on January 03, 2022, 04:38:24 AM
You can't make this stuff up.
So what he’s saying is, if I want to get infected, I should be sure the people around me are vaccinated and boosted, right?
Post by: Lucifer on January 03, 2022, 10:03:20 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 03, 2022, 07:23:14 PM
Post by: Rush on January 03, 2022, 07:35:44 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/highest-death-rates-history-indiana-life-insurance-ceo-says-deaths-whopping-40-among-people-aged-18-64-2020-fraction-covid-deaths-video/
Wow. That is NOT GOOD. Those are the productive workers.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 04, 2022, 05:56:20 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 04, 2022, 06:16:36 AM
Wow. That is NOT GOOD. Those are the productive workers.
"Just to give you an idea of how bad that is, a three-sigma or a one-in-200-year catastrophe would be 10% increase over pre-pandemic,” he said. “So 40% is just unheard of.”
Post by: Number7 on January 04, 2022, 06:58:50 AM
It will probably be labeled racist to notice their murderous stupidity.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/bhakdiburkhardt-pathology-results-show-93-of-people-who-died-after-being-vaccinated-were-killed-by-the-vaccine/5765859
Post by: jb1842 on January 04, 2022, 07:40:33 AM
Post by: Number7 on January 04, 2022, 08:11:15 AM
A friends daughter turns 5 in a few days. They already have her covid shots scheduled. The koolaid runs through the veins of this one strongly.
How proud will they be of themselves when they discover the vaccine killed more people than the disease???
It might be enough to cause the weaker pansy liberals to start killing themselves.
They are not a group known for courage, or bravery.
Post by: Username on January 04, 2022, 08:33:10 AM
https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
Quote
After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Real-Time RT-PCR Diagnostic Panel, the assay first introduced in February 2020 for detection of SARS-CoV-2 only. CDC is providing this advance notice for clinical laboratories to have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.
CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses. Such assays can facilitate continued testing for both influenza and SARS-CoV-2 and can save both time and resources as we head into influenza season. Laboratories and testing sites should validate and verify their selected assay within their facility before beginning clinical testing.
[/quote\
Post by: jb1842 on January 04, 2022, 08:42:51 AM
How proud will they be of themselves when they discover the vaccine killed more people than the disease???
It might be enough to cause the weaker pansy liberals to start killing themselves.
They are not a group known for courage, or bravery.
She's the liberal pharmacist I've mentioned before. She will ignore the facts, because she is smarter than everyone else. She graduated from Ohio State. Wonder if something is in the water there?
Post by: Anthony on January 04, 2022, 08:47:18 AM
How proud will they be of themselves when they discover the vaccine killed more people than the disease???
It might be enough to cause the weaker pansy liberals to start killing themselves.
They are not a group known for courage, or bravery.
They are too cowardly to kill themselves as they would rather just hide under their beds and shake.
Post by: Number7 on January 04, 2022, 09:54:02 AM
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/ingraham-mass-malone.jpg)
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/ingraham-mass-malone.jpg (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/ingraham-mass-malone.jpg)
Dr. Robert Malone: ‘It’s Tony. What can I say? Tony has no integrity. He lies all of the time.
And me and my peers have been watching this for decades. We just shrug our shoulders
and shake our heads and say it’s Fauci.”
OBVIOUSLY that's the guy that the fucking senile imposter wants giving medical advice to people.
Post by: nddons on January 04, 2022, 11:59:35 AM
A friends daughter turns 5 in a few days. They already have her covid shots scheduled. The koolaid runs through the veins of this one strongly.That’s child abuse.
We should move all those people to Covidistan.
Post by: Username on January 04, 2022, 03:07:06 PM
Post by: Rush on January 04, 2022, 03:42:26 PM
Hmmm... We don't need voter ID to vote. But will we need a vaccine card showing the proper number of boosters to vote?
Nah. We will just do all mail in ballots. No need for anybody to show up at the polls.
Post by: Anthony on January 05, 2022, 03:54:55 AM
That’s child abuse.
We should move all those people to Covidistan.
Firing squads.
Post by: bflynn on January 05, 2022, 06:40:09 AM
I'm getting tired with being bombarded by people having to tell me they got the shot. It's the new virtue signaling I guess.
You don't have to get the shot. You can get covid instead unless you're lucky and dodge it
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 05, 2022, 06:42:34 AM
You don't have to get the shot. You can get covid instead unless you're lucky and dodge it
Given the total population vs the number of “cases”, you are far more likely to dodge it
Post by: Rush on January 05, 2022, 06:46:35 AM
Given the total population vs the number of “cases”, you are far more likely to dodge it
I haven’t gotten it yet knock on wood. Although I did get “fully vaccinated” (2 jabs) so maybe I got it and didn’t know it. I have had a runny nose every day since this began. I thought it was allergies but maybe I’ve had chronic covid. ZOMG!!!!! I better get a case of test kits!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 05, 2022, 06:47:20 AM
You don't have to get the shot. You can get covid instead unless you're lucky and dodge itOr you can get the shot and still get COVID from someone that also got the shot.
Pandemic of the vaccinated.
Post by: Mr Pou on January 05, 2022, 06:50:25 AM
Or you can get the shot and still get COVID from someone that also got the shot.
Pandemic of the vaccinated.
Yeah, I got the two sticks, but in hindsight would not. I mean, if it doesn't prevent jack shit, what's the point?
Post by: jb1842 on January 05, 2022, 06:58:47 AM
Given the total population vs the number of “cases”, you are far more likely to dodge it
Or get it and have it be so mild to not know you have it or think you have a cold for a few days.
Post by: Lucifer on January 05, 2022, 07:00:09 AM
https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/nashville/covid-19-takes-life-of-longtime-nashville-doctor/
Post by: Lucifer on January 05, 2022, 07:28:35 AM
Post by: Rush on January 05, 2022, 08:13:04 AM
Yeah, I got the two sticks, but in hindsight would not. I mean, if it doesn't prevent jack shit, what's the point?
I think on whole, it lessens your chance of dying if you get it. HOWEVER, this is extremely hard to confirm. The virus is constantly mutating. Maybe it's becoming more benign and that's why your chance of dying is decreasing. It's so hard to get real data because it all depends on percent of cases (either vaxxed or unvaxxed) and I have little confidence in case reports. A positive test with no symptoms is not a "case". Someone who tests positive two days in a row is counted as two cases. People who die with covid rather than of covid are counted as covid deaths. Many people have had covid who were never tested and are never counted as cases. Case count is defined differently by country, county, and region. It's a mess. We don't actually know shit. Yet we are being told to believe as gospel whatever the hell CDC spits out.
The flip side is if you get covid without being vaxxed you end up with better immunity without the risks of the vaccine. However, the disease itself has similar risks to the vaccine (blood clots and peri/myo cardititis).
If you get vaxxed, then get a mild case of covid, maybe that acts as a booster and you end up with superior immunity, or at least as good as if you'd gotten covid without getting vaxxed.
Who the hell knows what the truth is. But there is a fact that is undisputed reality: The drug companies are making billions from the vaccines.
Post by: Lucifer on January 05, 2022, 08:25:36 AM
I think on whole, it lessens your chance of dying if you get it.
I think it's time to face the reality the so called vaccines do nothing, except for making politicians and pharmaceuticals rich. And it's also time to face the reality the damage the jabs are doing to people.
Who the hell knows what the truth is. But there is a fact that is undisputed reality: The drug companies are making billions from the vaccines.
Agreed. Follow the money.
Post by: Mr Pou on January 05, 2022, 08:49:56 AM
It's so hard to get real data because
It's been all spun to shit by various groups, spinning it to fit the narritive du jour.
Quote
Who the hell knows what the truth is. But there is a fact that is undisputed reality: The drug companies are making billions from the vaccines.
That part is correct, we will (and never were) supposed to know the truth. Well, one truth is money talks and bullshit walks, but in this case they're one and the same.
Post by: Number7 on January 05, 2022, 09:45:25 AM
I'm so tired of pussies whining about, 'oh, get the vaccine and the virus won't be as bad...'
The entire charade has wasted four years of economic progress under PRESIDENT TRUMP, ruined by pussies and other forms of assholes, loyal to that fucking senile, imposter, faux president fuckwad.
I've started biting the heads off of assholes whining about getting the shot to reduce the severity of the fake virus, just so the fucking pussies won't feel left out by grown ups refusing to be managed by the communists.
If you are one of those whining pussies, please stay the hell away from actual adults. the world will be much better off.
Post by: Number7 on January 05, 2022, 09:57:34 AM
https://media.gettr.com/group17/origin/2022/01/05/15/152f477e-29f3-a867-7144-a27dd8f9d613/2959705dbae36a6e0a128b50e25b4557_500x0.png
Post by: bflynn on January 05, 2022, 02:30:50 PM
I'm so tired of pussies whining about, 'oh, get the vaccine and the virus won't be as bad...'
Don't get the vaccine, I don't give a damn.
If the vaccines work, I'm good and you're on your own.
If the vaccines don't work, I'm no worse off and you're on your own.
If the vaccines harm, then I'll be shocked and live with whatever. Meanwhile you're on your own.
I believe the vaccines have a positive effect, so best of luck to you.
Post by: Number7 on January 05, 2022, 06:44:26 PM
Don't get the vaccine, I don't give a damn.
If the vaccines work, I'm good and you're on your own.
If the vaccines don't work, I'm no worse off and you're on your own.
If the vaccines harm, then I'll be shocked and live with whatever. Meanwhile you're on your own.
I believe the vaccines have a positive effect, so best of luck to you.
Bullshit.
You are at the head of the run out and get the fake vaccine shit.
Now that the truth is making the vaccine bullshit inconvenient you’re trying to change your rhetoric to sound hip.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 05, 2022, 08:33:27 PM
BTW, my DIL is currently at the Mayo in JAX. Will be there a few more days. Had surgery on Monday to reconstruct her bile ducts. Didn't work, she may have to live with the drains she has forever.
Post by: nddons on January 05, 2022, 08:39:05 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/now/mayo-clinic-fires-700-workers-231230332.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucHVycGxlYm9hcmQubmV0Lw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJJqRnH7CcU_v3phWSBfrYn4L6Nd1ou7o83z8xYmFGaszUfQc2m-xB5v_OOwa6PfOmEqrwS4uZjG2KL0fpbROtz764FlxtBjhI11-0LcIg40GIqjJcI1xUShW2dEJDsZoLfAnzCd-t4SzR6draEpBeDUF3fNmMruUqVqdeOA3MG- (https://www.yahoo.com/now/mayo-clinic-fires-700-workers-231230332.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cucHVycGxlYm9hcmQubmV0Lw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJJqRnH7CcU_v3phWSBfrYn4L6Nd1ou7o83z8xYmFGaszUfQc2m-xB5v_OOwa6PfOmEqrwS4uZjG2KL0fpbROtz764FlxtBjhI11-0LcIg40GIqjJcI1xUShW2dEJDsZoLfAnzCd-t4SzR6draEpBeDUF3fNmMruUqVqdeOA3MG-)Damn, so sorry Eppy. Prayers for your son and daughter in law.
BTW, my DIL is currently at the Mayo in JAX. Will be there a few more days. Had surgery on Monday to reconstruct her bile ducts. Didn't work, she may have to live with the drains she has forever.
Post by: Rush on January 05, 2022, 08:51:41 PM
BTW, my DIL is currently at the Mayo in JAX. Will be there a few more days. Had surgery on Monday to reconstruct her bile ducts. Didn't work, she may have to live with the drains she has forever.
Damn, sorry to hear that. :-[
Post by: Mr Pou on January 06, 2022, 05:51:02 AM
Post by: Anthony on January 06, 2022, 08:10:55 AM
Post by: Username on January 06, 2022, 09:57:57 AM
Post by: nddons on January 06, 2022, 10:34:07 AM
All employees and students at my university have to be tested regardless of vaccine status. So far 2.5% of faculty and 6.3% of students are positive. With classes starting on Monday the Chancellor just moved the first week from in-person to online. Faculty and students are freaking out.Madness. The healthiest age group in the world should be leading the charge to herd immunity.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 06, 2022, 10:54:50 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 06, 2022, 11:38:37 AM
All employees and students at my university have to be tested regardless of vaccine status. So far 2.5% of faculty and 6.3% of students are positive. With classes starting on Monday the Chancellor just moved the first week from in-person to online. Faculty and students are freaking out.
Percent positive is only a small part of the picture.
How many are symptomatic?
How many are seriously ill?
What would the be the ordinary number of staff and students that would have a cold or the flu?
Post by: Username on January 06, 2022, 12:29:25 PM
Percent positive is only a small part of the picture.Agreed. I would guess that all that were tested had no symptoms as they were told to stay home if they felt sick. None are seriously ill as they had to get to a campus testing site, wait in line, and get tested. And I suspect that a much larger number of staff and students have cold and/or flu this time of year.
How many are symptomatic?
How many are seriously ill?
What would the be the ordinary number of staff and students that would have a cold or the flu?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 06, 2022, 08:09:21 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 07, 2022, 07:46:35 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 10, 2022, 08:35:06 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1480542490897887235
Post by: Lucifer on January 10, 2022, 08:38:15 AM
Suddenly it's okay to speak the truth?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1480542490897887235
Biden has failed, yet again. The narrative will shift to what the quack in the CDC is saying so they can lower the death numbers and “cases” to give Biden a win.
Their formula to hurt Trump is now hurting Biden, this the narrative will change.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 10, 2022, 09:29:09 AM
https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-rochelle-walensky-tweets-backlash-comments-omicron-death-comorbidities-1667329
show some backbone...
Post by: jb1842 on January 10, 2022, 09:59:35 AM
backpedaling because of snowflakes?
https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-rochelle-walensky-tweets-backlash-comments-omicron-death-comorbidities-1667329
show some backbone...
If the left had any backbone they would vote republican.
Post by: Rush on January 10, 2022, 10:38:42 AM
backpedaling because of snowflakes?
https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-rochelle-walensky-tweets-backlash-comments-omicron-death-comorbidities-1667329
show some backbone...
Wow. Insanity.
Post by: Lucifer on January 10, 2022, 11:36:51 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 10, 2022, 11:48:11 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 10, 2022, 11:53:36 AM
Bongino just had a great interview with Dr. Scott Atlas. He said data shows the efficacy of either Moderna or Pfizer is less than 10% after two months.
So boosters every 60 days?
Post by: Number7 on January 10, 2022, 12:13:09 PM
So boosters every 60 days?
It seems like everyone getting the scamdemic is vaxed. So... why is it that the morons of the left are pushing vaccination so hard?
Fucking lying, scammers of the democrat party are so deep in the shit, they don't have a clue what they are doing 100% of the time.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 10, 2022, 12:31:36 PM
btw - in maskachusetts, hospital data is self-reported, no one is really checking the numbers.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 10, 2022, 04:59:56 PM
Post by: Lucifer on January 10, 2022, 05:09:10 PM
Where in the Constitution is the President given the authority to require insurance companies to pay for at home tests?
Located in the same clause that gives the executive the authority to write laws and circumvent congress.
Post by: nddons on January 11, 2022, 12:18:17 PM
backpedaling because of snowflakes?Wait. I thought we’ve been told to follow the science. I didn’t think science had feelings, but to be fair, I never asked science that question.
https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-rochelle-walensky-tweets-backlash-comments-omicron-death-comorbidities-1667329
show some backbone...
Post by: Lucifer on January 12, 2022, 07:12:00 AM
Biden to Require Insurers to Cover At-Home COVID-19 Tests
Quote
The Biden administration will soon require insurers to cover at-home COVID-19 tests.
Beginning on January 15, insurance companies will be required to cover up to eight tests per month for each individual, the Daily Caller reports. This means a family of four, for example, would qualify to reimburse 32 tests per month.
The policy allows Americans to either acquire free testing kits through their insurance, or present receipts for tests to their insurers for reimbursement.
“This is all part of our overall strategy to ramp up access to easy-to-use, at-home tests at no cost,” Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra said in a statement Monday. “By requiring private health plans to cover people’s at-home tests, we are further expanding Americans’ ability to get tests for free when they need them.”
Because of a nationwide shortage in available tests, the Biden administration has faced increased scrutiny. Reporters questioned White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki on why the administration has taken so long to increase testing.
“There has been a massive surge in testing,” she said. “There has been an unprecedented demand for tests. So what we have done over the course of the last few weeks, even before that, is the president quadrupled our testing capacity since this summer, we opened 20,000 sites across the country, and we have also opened additional federal sites, including one in D.C. only recently.”
“If you look to a year ago, there were no tests, or maybe one depending on the timeline, that was available on the market. Now we have nine. If you look to about a year ago, there was about 900,000 or maybe slightly higher tests that were being issued every day. Now we’re at about 10 or 11 million. 300 million tests are done in this country every month. So there’s enormous progress being made,” she added.
So what laws are the Biden Administration using to make this requirement???
What else can the Biden Administration "require" health insurance providers cover, or do? This is a slippery slope.
Also, it's purely laughable how they term this as "free". Who the fuck do they think is ultimately paying for this?
Post by: Username on January 12, 2022, 09:00:02 AM
Quote
300 million tests are done in this country every month. So there’s enormous progress being made,” she added.It would be pretty cool if every result from every one of those tests was reported. That would sure drive down the infection rate. "I have the sniffles... better do a test!"
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 12, 2022, 09:24:01 AM
Post by: nddons on January 12, 2022, 10:32:02 AM
Why is SCOTUS slow-walking the decision on the "mandate"?They aren’t done laughing at the Large Latina for her preposterous and wildly inaccurate claims about the current state of Covid.
Post by: texasag93 on January 12, 2022, 10:58:51 AM
They aren’t done laughing at the Large Latina for her preposterous and wildly inaccurate claims about the current state of Covid.
If that were only true.....
The rest of us are laughing.
Post by: Anthony on January 12, 2022, 12:15:10 PM
They aren’t done laughing at the Large Latina for her preposterous and wildly inaccurate claims about the current state of Covid.
Versus the Bull Dyke? Or are they both dykes? I can't remember. Not that there's anything wrong with that.............
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 12, 2022, 09:46:16 PM
Why is SCOTUS slow-walking the decision on the "mandate"?
On their web page is a calendar:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/ (https://www.supremecourt.gov/)
Thursday the 13th is listed as an opinion issuance day, so maybe they'll release a ruling then. It is the only day so designated for the rest of the year.
Post by: Lucifer on January 14, 2022, 07:39:25 AM
Post by: jb1842 on January 14, 2022, 08:16:47 AM
And this is why tenured professors need to be a thing of the past.
Post by: Number7 on January 14, 2022, 08:40:27 AM
There is no end to the tyranny and stupidity of liberals.
If he were any dumber he would have to be dead.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 14, 2022, 09:09:03 AM
Post by: Number7 on January 14, 2022, 09:16:50 AM
Never underestimate the ability of communists to deny the truth.
Post by: Little Joe on January 14, 2022, 09:24:08 AM
I remember idiots like the rhodes scholar above fifty years ago in college.But he would still vote.
There is no end to the tyranny and stupidity of liberals.
If he were any dumber he would have to be dead.
Post by: Lucifer on January 15, 2022, 04:24:13 PM
Quote
A recent study from South Africa (currently in preprint) attempts to explain why the omicron wave of the COVID-19 pandemic caused less severe illness and death than prior waves of other variants. To complete the study, researchers compared the outcomes of 5,144 patients from the fourth wave, where omicron was prevalent, to the outcomes of 11,609 patients from prior waves. They looked at deaths, severe hospitalizations, and all hospitalizations in the 14 days after diagnosis for people aged 20 and older.
The study controlled for vaccination, prior infection, comorbidities, age, and sex. The team concluded:
In the Omicron-driven wave, severe COVID-19 outcomes were reduced mostly due to protection conferred by prior infection and/or vaccination, but intrinsically reduced virulence may account for an approximately 25% reduced risk of severe hospitalization or death compared to Delta.
Their assessment is hopeful for several reasons. First, the risk from COVID has always been age-stratified, with a well-known set of comorbid conditions that increase the risk of severe illness and death. A 25% reduction in risk inherent to the virus itself reduces the risk to everyone. People who are recovered, vaccinated, unvaccinated, and those with risk factors would all face a less lethal virus.
For those under 50 who are otherwise healthy, the risk of severe illness and death was already vanishingly small. The seasonal flu’s generally quoted infection fatality rate (IFR) is 0.1%. According to Dr. Fauci, a pandemic flu may reach 0.2 or 0.3%. In a study that remains in preprint from Cathrine Axfors and Dr. John P.A. Ioannidis from Stanford, the age-adjusted IFR for COVID-19 in July 2021 was below the seasonal flu in every age group below 50.
Post by: Lucifer on January 15, 2022, 08:43:46 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 16, 2022, 07:05:18 AM
Post by: Rush on January 16, 2022, 08:02:13 AM
And this is why tenured professors need to be a thing of the past.
That video was clips taken out of context, and misrepresented what he was doing. Here is the entire presentation. He was actually teaching lessons about plagiarism and Calvinism. He goes on to tell the students how to get a A in his class.
Post by: Lucifer on January 16, 2022, 08:33:41 AM
That video was clips taken out of context, and misrepresented what he was doing. Here is the entire presentation. He was actually teaching lessons about plagiarism and Calvinism. He goes on to tell the students how to get a A in his class.
Either way, he's a whackadoodle. Universities are filled with these.
Post by: Rush on January 16, 2022, 08:59:48 AM
Either way, he's a whackadoodle. Universities are filled with these.
There were a lot of complaints about his profuse use of foul language. While I don’t mind foul language and use it myself, and I wouldn’t mind a professor sprinkling a bad word here and there, I find too prolific use of it off putting and unnecessary. Although that big soliloquy he plagiarized was full of bad language.
However it disturbs me that people in the comment section were accusing him of “homophobic” insults. I heard no homophobic insults at all, until I realized they are referring to the term “cocksucker”. Really?? Cocksucker is now homophobic?
That’s like complaining that when you call someone a prick it’s misandry.
Do people not realize that when you call someone a prick, you aren’t insulting the entire male gender. The term has taken on a definition entirely unrelated to the literal physical meaning of the word. Likewise when you call someone a cocksucker, no one means they literally suck cock. It means they are an asshole, which itself does not mean they are literally a giant walking anus.
Calling someone a cocksucker isn’t the same thing as calling them a “fag” which is what you would do if you wanted to use a homophobic slur. Unless you were in the UK in which case you would be calling them a cigarette.
Post by: Lucifer on January 16, 2022, 09:13:09 AM
There were a lot of complaints about his profuse use of foul language. While I don’t mind foul language and use it myself, and I wouldn’t mind a professor sprinkling a bad word here and there, I find too prolific use of it off putting and unnecessary. Although that big soliloquy he plagiarized was full of bad language.
However it disturbs me that people in the comment section were accusing him of “homophobic” insults. I heard no homophobic insults at all, until I realized they are referring to the term “cocksucker”. Really?? Cocksucker is now homophobic?
That’s like complaining that when you call someone a prick it’s misandry.
Do people not realize that when you call someone a prick, you aren’t insulting the entire male gender. The term has taken on a definition entirely unrelated to the literal physical meaning of the word. Likewise when you call someone a cocksucker, no one means they literally suck cock. It means they are an asshole, which itself does not mean they are literally a giant walking anus.
Calling someone a cocksucker isn’t the same thing as calling them a “fag” which is what you would do if you wanted to use a homophobic slur. Unless you were in the UK in which case you would be calling them a cigarette.
We are at a stage now where leftist are digging up old emails and quotes someone made decades ago, and cancelling that person for one thing. Ruining people's lives over something said long ago.
The whackadoodle in question is on a profanity laced diatribe. Yet, somehow we are suppose to look the other way because he's an anointed academic.
Sorry, Homey don't play that shit anymore. Fuck him and all like him. If the leftist can destroy someone over a solitary word uttered decades ago, then that whackadoodle has it coming.
Until we begin fighting back against these deranged and unhinged leftist, then they will continue their march to destruction of our society.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 16, 2022, 09:45:38 AM
Post by: Rush on January 16, 2022, 09:55:38 AM
Speaking of canceling, Australia has succeeded in canceling Novak Djokavic from the Australian Open thus proving they do not believe in natural immunity.
Vaccination is not about immunity. It’s about compliance with Massa’s commands. You must obey without question or face punishment. If it were about immunity then those with natural immunity would be welcomed and even given preferential treatment.
Post by: bflynn on January 16, 2022, 10:47:19 AM
Speaking of canceling, Australia has succeeded in canceling Novak Djokavic from the Australian Open thus proving they do not believe in natural immunity.
They think they cancelled him. What they actually cancelled (again) was their own legitimacy.
Even the CDC says the science acknowledges immunity from having had the virus.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/vaccine-induced-immunity.html
Post by: Little Joe on January 16, 2022, 12:09:10 PM
Gee thanks. Next you'll be telling us that a Lucifer is a match and completely ruin the image of the lyric "While you've a Lucifer to light your fag".
Calling someone a cocksucker isn’t the same thing as calling them a “fag” which is what you would do if you wanted to use a homophobic slur. Unless you were in the UK in which case you would be calling them a cigarette.
Smile boys, that's the style.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 19, 2022, 09:45:06 AM
Maybe we can take a hint from the U.K.
Post by: Lucifer on January 19, 2022, 10:40:30 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1483785379140579329
Maybe we can take a hint from the U.K.
It's crumbling. Pope Tony was on the media proclaiming how bad it is and how it's going to get worse.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 22, 2022, 07:45:32 AM
More from Russell Brand
Post by: Lucifer on January 23, 2022, 07:31:15 AM
Post by: Little Joe on January 23, 2022, 07:38:26 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 23, 2022, 07:44:43 AM
You'd think they'd spell unrecognizable correctly.
That's the British spelling of the word ::)
https://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/unrecognisable
Post by: jb1842 on January 23, 2022, 08:14:56 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 23, 2022, 08:19:26 AM
Positive on the home covid test this morning. Gonna call urgent care and get a good test scheduled. Still have taste and smell, so hopefully mild
What would a test do for you?
Post by: jb1842 on January 23, 2022, 08:24:20 AM
What would a test do for you?
Want to make sure it's not a false positive. Still not convinced the home tests are the most accurate.
Post by: Lucifer on January 23, 2022, 08:39:34 AM
Want to make sure it's not a false positive. Still not convinced the home tests are the most accurate.
What I don't understand is the need to be tested. Other than providing the government with a useless datapoint, what good is the test?
I do understand if someone is really sick, the test gives the doctor (if he/she is willing) a path for treatment.
Home test are absolutely worthless, and most of the test given by health providers are equally worthless.
Post by: Little Joe on January 23, 2022, 08:39:52 AM
What would a test do for you?Well, for one thing, if he is sure he is positive he might avoid going to see his great grandfather who has COPD, or perhaps he will offer to take his In-Laws out to a nice, intimate indoor restaurant.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 23, 2022, 08:42:28 AM
Positive on the home covid test this morning. Gonna call urgent care and get a good test scheduled. Still have taste and smell, so hopefully mildWhat are the symptoms?
Vitamins C, D (lots of it to start), Zinc. Watch the Oxygen saturation.
Post by: Little Joe on January 23, 2022, 08:52:14 AM
Positive on the home covid test this morning. Gonna call urgent care and get a good test scheduled. Still have taste and smell, so hopefully mildI hope you don't get it as bad as my brother did, even though he survived. Keep us updated on your progress. Especially if you die; be sure to let us know. And in any case, don't forget to vote.
Post by: jb1842 on January 23, 2022, 09:00:11 AM
Well, for one thing, if he is sure he is positive he might avoid going to see his great grandfather who has COPD, or perhaps he will offer to take his In-Laws out to a nice, intimate indoor restaurant.
Gotta pull my pull my kid out of school for the week now, for one thing.
Post by: Lucifer on January 23, 2022, 09:08:17 AM
Gotta pull my pull my kid out of school for the week now, for one thing.
Again, why? How about all the kids there that has parents who have a cold, didn't bother with the test? How is punishing your child by removing them from school going to solve anything?
My point is, the testing needs to stop. It does absolutely nothing except drive fear. As long as the Branch Covidians keep their testing rituals going we will never move on.
Post by: jb1842 on January 23, 2022, 09:16:30 AM
Post by: nddons on January 23, 2022, 09:46:23 AM
And hospital called and said negative. This is fucking stupid.My daughter started getting symptoms while at work at her vet clinic. End of November. The clinic sent her to a place that gave her the instant test (result was positive for Covid) and the PCR test, which came back a couple days later) that showed negative for Covid. There is no way she didn’t have Covid. Loss of taste and smell, lethargy, the works.
Tests are worthless.
Oh, and this place charged her something like $700 for the tests. I shit you not. Insurance paid a fraction of that, and she had to pay a small amount of that fraction, but still, this testing is a money making proposition.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 23, 2022, 09:48:01 AM
Post by: Rush on January 23, 2022, 09:49:54 AM
What I don't understand is the need to be tested. Other than providing the government with a useless datapoint, what good is the test?
I do understand if someone is really sick, the test gives the doctor (if he/she is willing) a path for treatment.
Home test are absolutely worthless, and most of the test given by health providers are equally worthless.
If Biden hasn’t kept monoclonal antibodies from his location, he could get treated. Best not to wait until your symptoms are severe.
Post by: Rush on January 23, 2022, 09:50:59 AM
And hospital called and said negative. This is fucking stupid.
So you either have a regular cold or flu, and the first test was a false positive, or the hospital test was a false negative.
Post by: Rush on January 23, 2022, 09:52:18 AM
Well, for one thing, if he is sure he is positive he might avoid going to see his great grandfather who has COPD, or perhaps he will offer to take his In-Laws out to a nice, intimate indoor restaurant.
He should avoid the old man anyway if it’s a regular cold or flu.
Post by: Rush on January 23, 2022, 09:53:07 AM
What are the symptoms?
Vitamins C, D (lots of it to start), Zinc. Watch the Oxygen saturation.
Yes, “pulse D3” I think they called it. Like 50,000 IUs every day for a week.
Post by: Little Joe on January 23, 2022, 10:07:40 AM
He should avoid the old man anyway if it’s a regular cold or flu.Well, for one thing, I didn't even know if he had symptoms. If he mentioned that in a previous post I missed it. So sans symptoms, why would he avoid seeing his grandfather.
It does point out one thing I agree with Lucifer about. There is too much random testing of asymptomatic people. It causes more problems than it solves.
But once he did home-test and showed positive, then I think it was important that he seek a confirmation test.
Post by: jb1842 on January 23, 2022, 10:11:32 AM
What are the symptoms?
Vitamins C, D (lots of it to start), Zinc. Watch the Oxygen saturation.
Headache, cough, tired, body ache (more than normal). Bronchitis has been making it's way through my family so it might be that.
But my neighbor also had a b-day party/sleepover last weekend for her oldest daughter, and we were all hanging out last weekend and earlier in the week. They all tested positive on Wednesday. They were all pretty sick. They all lost smell and taste.
Post by: Little Joe on January 23, 2022, 10:13:21 AM
My daughter started getting symptoms while at work at her vet clinic. End of November. The clinic sent her to a place that gave her the instant test (result was positive for Covid) and the PCR test, which came back a couple days later) that showed negative for Covid. There is no way she didn’t have Covid. Loss of taste and smell, lethargy, the works.That's actually a very good business model.
Tests are worthless.
Oh, and this place charged her something like $700 for the tests. I shit you not. Insurance paid a fraction of that, and she had to pay a small amount of that fraction, but still, this testing is a money making proposition.
Give out cheap test kits for free that have a high false-positive rate. Then when people test positive they go for the more expensive testing or even still more expensive treatment.
Even better, get the government to pay you an exorbitant amount for those cheap tests and have them hand them out for free.
And since that shit really can and does happen, that is why we have big government passing regulation after regulation to protect us. The irony in this scenario is that it is the government passing out those "free" tests.
Post by: Rush on January 23, 2022, 10:26:49 AM
Well, for one thing, I didn't even know if he had symptoms. If he mentioned that in a previous post I missed it. So sans symptoms, why would he avoid seeing his grandfather.
It does point out one thing I agree with Lucifer about. There is too much random testing of asymptomatic people. It causes more problems than it solves.
But once he did home-test and showed positive, then I think it was important that he seek a confirmation test.
I assumed he had symptoms since he said he didn’t lose sense of taste and smell, so assumed that meant he had other ones, and I am under the impression he isn’t a hysterical panicked hypochondriac who would be testing himself with no symptoms.
Agree with you and Lucifer. Generally speaking, no one without symptoms should be tested. But if you do have symptoms, get tested so you can get treatment. Confirmation with a more accurate test might be required by the doctor to qualify for treatment.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 23, 2022, 11:09:48 AM
And hospital called and said negative. This is fucking stupid.Now we're having fun!!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 23, 2022, 11:17:38 AM
Headache, cough, tired, body ache (more than normal). Bronchitis has been making it's way through my family so it might be that.That's interesting. I would have thought there weren't really any more Delta cases happening. Is there a plan to test again? Keep us up to date.
But my neighbor also had a b-day party/sleepover last weekend for her oldest daughter, and we were all hanging out last weekend and earlier in the week. They all tested positive on Wednesday. They were all pretty sick. They all lost smell and taste.
Post by: jb1842 on January 23, 2022, 11:25:54 AM
That's interesting. I would have thought there weren't really any more Delta cases happening. Is there a plan to test again? Keep us up to date.
I went back and took a PCR test. Rather the wife made me go take it. It'll be a few days before those results come in. I was also reading if it's omni-con, the rapid tests have up to a 25% failure rate in detecting it. So who the hell knows.
Post by: Rush on January 23, 2022, 11:52:10 AM
I went back and took a PCR test. Rather the wife made me go take it. It'll be a few days before those results come in. I was also reading if it's omni-con, the rapid tests have up to a 25% failure rate in detecting it. So who the hell knows.
Whatever happens I hope you get better soon.
Post by: nddons on January 24, 2022, 07:31:54 AM
That's actually a very good business model.That’s not the irony - that’s the CAUSE. When government gets involved, EVERYTHING is either more expensive or more scarce, or both. It’s government mandates, or the implied mandates, that are causing the “need” for people to get tested when they really don’t.
Give out cheap test kits for free that have a high false-positive rate. Then when people test positive they go for the more expensive testing or even still more expensive treatment.
Even better, get the government to pay you an exorbitant amount for those cheap tests and have them hand them out for free.
And since that shit really can and does happen, that is why we have big government passing regulation after regulation to protect us. The irony in this scenario is that it is the government passing out those "free" tests.
I have a buddy at work who thought he had covid 3 weeks ago. He has an adult daughter who is very immune compromised, so just for that reason, he and his wife went to get tested. They stood in line for 90 minutes, with the first 45 minutes in the line outside in 15 degree Wisconsin weather.
Why did SO many people feel the need to stand outside in line with other sick people just to get tested? Fear. Nothing more. Government-induced fear, fanned my the daily drumbeat of the MSM.
So the government was a causal factor in what my daughter was charged.
Post by: jb1842 on January 24, 2022, 07:44:57 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 24, 2022, 09:18:47 PM
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2022, 04:10:27 AM
Post by: jb1842 on January 25, 2022, 05:49:26 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 25, 2022, 06:22:52 AM
Post by: Number7 on January 25, 2022, 06:24:14 AM
He will get our young men and women killed ina failed attempt to boost his pathetic poll numbers and the dunk was media will cheerlead him all the way.
The hypocrite democrats who pretend to hate war will organs at the thought of killing people for political gain because that's what imbecile leftists always do.
Post by: jb1842 on January 25, 2022, 06:25:59 AM
I'm assuming y'all heard the deal yesterday where he called Fox's Peter Doocy a dumb son-of-a-bitch on a live mic.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-treat-people-decency-dignity-haunts-him
Senile bastard needs to go. One more nail in his coffin for the eventual Harris presidency.
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2022, 06:49:25 AM
The senile imposter is starting a useless war in Easter. Europe to try and get attention off his utter failures with regard to the scamdemic.
He will get our young men and women killed ina failed attempt to boost his pathetic poll numbers and the dunk was media will cheerlead him all the way.
The hypocrite democrats who pretend to hate war will organs at the thought of killing people for political gain because that's what imbecile leftists always do.
This is exactly what I’m talking about. “Liberals” in the 60s being against war, and “conservatives” in the 2000s being for war. Now it is reversed. Liberals will be all for Biden’s war and conservatives or at least populists will be against it.
I guess they are all wrong. One shouldn’t be against war per se. One should be against endless war for profit and proxy but for war to actually defend one’s country from direct attack or defeat real evil. Defeat being key. You need to go to war to win, not to create an indefinite stream of profit, as well as dead bodies and amputees.
Post by: Lucifer on January 25, 2022, 06:53:44 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on January 25, 2022, 07:20:16 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 25, 2022, 07:27:10 AM
the dems just need to create a few more votes in specific areas and voila they "win" the election again.
of course, if you cheat to win, you are still a loser.
Post by: Mr Pou on January 25, 2022, 07:33:08 AM
of course, if you cheat to win, you are still a loser.
That right there says so much about what is wrong with America. Any Dem who is proud of and stands with Biden is a reprehensible human being. And don't say that they don't believe the election was stolen, they know it.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 25, 2022, 07:47:39 AM
And don't say that they don't believe the election was stolen, they know it.
sadly, so many people don't have any clue that the election was a fraud.
Post by: jb1842 on January 25, 2022, 07:51:49 AM
sadly, so many people don't have any clue that the election was a fraud.
Not that they don't have a clue, they don't care.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 25, 2022, 07:54:01 AM
we all have to wear masks. gotta. otherwise will we all DIE
ever notice pictures of high school kids playing sports or college kids playing sports with masks...most of the masks only cover the mouth.
<sigh>
Post by: Mr Pou on January 25, 2022, 08:02:26 AM
Post by: Anthony on January 25, 2022, 08:09:08 AM
masks Masks MASKS!!!!
we all have to wear masks. gotta. otherwise will we all DIE
ever notice pictures of high school kids playing sports or college kids playing sports with masks...most of the masks only cover the mouth.
<sigh>
It is MORONIC. I see people at the gym, mostly High School and College age kids (brainwashed) and older adults wearing masks, VOLUNTARILY. There is no requirement to wear a mask while working out. I want to tell each one how idiotic they are and how ashamed of them I am. It is hideous.
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2022, 08:24:17 AM
We still have to wear masks at work, the only place I'm forced to wear a face diaper. 108 more days and I leave this zoo behind.
Same with Mark. Masks at work if you are within 6 feet of each other, even outside, which is ludicrous.. He has about 50 days to go and can’t wait. They still haven’t hired his replacement and he gave them notice 8 months ago.
He says all the old timers there say that they used to love to come to work but now they can’t stand it. The woke bullshit, and mandates like masks, and total disconnect between upper management and the actual workers aka who produce the product. A bunch of them are retiring and there’s not much talent out there to replace them. The workers who remain are overloaded making them even more miserable. Corporate American has gone completely off the rails.
Post by: jb1842 on January 25, 2022, 08:40:30 AM
Post by: jb1842 on January 25, 2022, 01:56:09 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 25, 2022, 02:37:11 PM
So it was positive. But I don't think I'm going to get worse than I already was. Appetite is back. Gonna destroy some pizza for dinner. Cough still there and still a little tired. But no big deal. Now to see if it got passed on the to wife and kid in the next few days.
Did you also get tested for influenza? If not, then how would you know your symptoms weren't caused by the flu and you actually had an asymptomatic case of covid-19?
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2022, 05:55:07 PM
So it was positive. But I don't think I'm going to get worse than I already was. Appetite is back. Gonna destroy some pizza for dinner. Cough still there and still a little tired. But no big deal. Now to see if it got passed on the to wife and kid in the next few days.
Now you have superior immunity! :) Glad you seem to be on the mend.
Post by: nddons on January 25, 2022, 06:25:23 PM
So it was positive. But I don't think I'm going to get worse than I already was. Appetite is back. Gonna destroy some pizza for dinner. Cough still there and still a little tired. But no big deal. Now to see if it got passed on the to wife and kid in the next few days.How was the pizza?
Post by: jb1842 on January 25, 2022, 06:36:34 PM
How was the pizza?
Gross. My usual place is closed right now, so went somewhere else. Wasn't happy with it. Sauce was bitter and cheese had no flavor. Wife thought she was lost her taste. Should have gotten chinese. For one of the biggest tourist places of the midwest, we really have crappy local restaurants. I miss Milwaukee/Wisconsin restaurants.
Post by: nddons on January 25, 2022, 08:14:17 PM
Gross. My usual place is closed right now, so went somewhere else. Wasn't happy with it. Sauce was bitter and cheese had no flavor. Wife thought she was lost her taste. Should have gotten chinese. For one of the biggest tourist places of the midwest, we really have crappy local restaurants. I miss Milwaukee/Wisconsin restaurants.Best pizza in Milwaukee, but I hate going to the East side any more.
https://www.zaffirospizza.com/
Post by: jb1842 on January 25, 2022, 08:19:35 PM
Best pizza in Milwaukee, but I hate going to the East side any more.
https://www.zaffirospizza.com/
If I go to the east side it's for EE Sane for Thai.
Post by: Dweyant on January 25, 2022, 08:45:00 PM
-Dan
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 26, 2022, 08:39:10 AM
I'm in Anchorage this week to do some training. It was recommended that I go to Mooses Tooth for pizza and beer. It was excellent!Was the beer Moose Drool?
-Dan
Post by: Little Joe on January 26, 2022, 10:22:05 AM
I'm in Anchorage this week to do some training. It was recommended that I go to Mooses Tooth for pizza and beer. It was excellent!We loved the Moose's Tooth, but if you are still there, you HAVE to check out F-Street Station. We were referred there for the food and only found out that it is an aviation themed restaurant when we got there. We keep saying we are going to go back to Anchorage just so we can go there again.
-Dan
Post by: Dweyant on January 26, 2022, 10:31:02 AM
We loved the Moose's Tooth, but if you are still there, you HAVE to check out F-Street Station. We were referred there for the food and only found out that it is an aviation themed restaurant when we got there. We keep saying we are going to go back to Anchorage just so we can go there again.
Thanks, I have a red eye out late tonight, but hopefully will have some time between meetings today. Might try to check it out for lunch!
-Dan
Post by: nddons on January 26, 2022, 09:28:08 PM
Post by: Mr Pou on January 27, 2022, 06:21:44 AM
So yes, anecdotal, but still another confirmation that masks aren't about the disease, but about control.
Post by: Rush on January 27, 2022, 06:27:55 AM
My wife has an ear infection, not at all related to covid, and went to the doctor yesterday. She was waiting in the exam room without her mask on, and when the Dr came in she said sorry, I'll put it back on. The doctor replied don't bother, masks don't work. As he looked at her ear he went on to explain why masks and face shields don't work, and that he only wears a mask is because it's policy and he'd be fired if he was seen without a mask.
So yes, anecdotal, but still another confirmation that masks aren't about the disease, but about control.
My cardiologist did the same thing. Wore a mask the first visit, it was policy. The second visit we got into a big conversation about advanced mathematics and he ripped off the mask he was talking so excitedly. He has a thing for math, he got a degree in engineering before going back to med school.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 28, 2022, 11:56:16 AM
Post by: Rush on January 28, 2022, 02:07:06 PM
My cardiologist did the same thing. Wore a mask the first visit, it was policy. The second visit we got into a big conversation about advanced mathematics and he ripped off the mask he was talking so excitedly. He has a thing for math, he got a degree in engineering before going back to med school.
Today the eye doctor, same thing. All the staff and nurses and patients are wearing masks, doctor walks in with no mask. So I said, oh I can take off my mask? Sure! Says he. I didn’t get into his thoughts on if they work, we got right to talking about my eye which needed a YAG procedure. That’s just a ten second laser treatment to clear up post cataract surgery cloudiness.
So he examines my eye, then leans forward and looks very serious at me and says, “I’ve got bad news.”
“Eeeek! Is it macular degeneration? Glaucoma? Meningitis? Lupus? Is it lupus?!”
“It’s that my YAG machine is in the other office. You’ll have to drive to Beaumont and meet me there at one o’clock.”
Post by: Rush on January 28, 2022, 02:59:48 PM
https://brownstone.org/articles/kulldorff-deleted-famed-epidemiologist-and-early-opponent-of-lockdowns-banned-by-linkedin/
Here is an example of his subversive dangerous false misinformation that was scrubbed from the Internet (thankfully we have archive.org)
“ With age 70-79 as baseline, relative mortality risks are shown in Table 1. For COVID-19 exposed individuals, people in their 70s have roughly twice the mortality of those in their 60s, 10 times the mortality of those in their 50s, 40 times that of those in their 40s, 100 times that of those in their 30s, 300 times that of those in their 20s, and a mortality that is more than 3000 times higher than for children.
…..
“To date, most government mandated mitigation measures have either been age neutral, such as restaurant closures, or targeted at young and middle-aged people, such as school and office closures. A more appropriate age targeted approach is needed. Just as some pubs ban customers under the age of 21, government officials could set temporary upper age limits of say 50, 60, or 65 for visiting or working at restaurants, stores, offices, airports, and other public places. So, for example, while all 60-plus-year-old supermarket cashiers, gas station attendants, police officers, postal workers, garbage collectors and bus drivers should stay home, their younger colleagues should keep working, taking extra shifts as needed.”
Wow. Cancel this right wing extremist!
Post by: Rush on January 29, 2022, 08:14:21 AM
South African doctor who discovered Omicron: “European politicians wanted me to say this is a serious, serious, serious disease”
"At some point, I said that in South Africa, Omicron is a mild disease. But it is a serious, serious, serious illness in Europe because politicians wanted me to say it."
RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL - Angelique Coetzee, president of the South African Medical Association and the doctor who discovered Omicron, said in an interview with the Austrian television station Servus TV, "I was put under a lot of pressure by politicians from Europe, but also by other scientists: Please don't go out and say it's a mild disease."
Post by: bflynn on January 29, 2022, 08:29:30 AM
Not sure why no lawyer has taken this yet. It has more promise than a lot of other things they're crusading for.
Post by: Rush on January 29, 2022, 08:45:15 AM
My take - Social Media is a public accommodation and positions like that are rooted in personal religious beliefs. Therefore, canceling someone for having the wrong beliefs is discrimination on the basis of religion.
Not sure why no lawyer has taken this yet. It has more promise than a lot of other things they're crusading for.
Positions like what?
Post by: Rush on January 30, 2022, 07:15:16 AM
The feds are completely out of control.
Post by: Lucifer on January 30, 2022, 07:19:31 AM
The feds are completely out of control.
Big Pharma controls government healthcare policy. Follow. The. Money.
Post by: Little Joe on January 30, 2022, 07:24:06 AM
I'm so proud of my governor that I want to share him with the whole country.
The feds are completely out of control.
The only sad thing is the liberal establishment will pull out all the stops to destroy him.
Post by: Lucifer on January 30, 2022, 07:42:31 AM
This split is being amplified by an out of control federal government, one in which the free states are further distancing themselves from.
The free states can sustain themselves quite well in terms of economy, transportation, energy and food. The blue shitholes not so much.
They need us more than we need them.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 30, 2022, 08:23:29 AM
I'm so proud of my governor that I want to share him with the whole country.I just hope he gets reelected this coming Nov.
The only sad thing is the liberal establishment will pull out all the stops to destroy him.
He barely won the first time, can't imagine the disaster if that other guy was elected.
Post by: Rush on January 30, 2022, 08:32:22 AM
The free states are rising up while the blue shithole 3rd world states are sinking into further decay.
This split is being amplified by an out of control federal government, one in which the free states are further distancing themselves from.
The free states can sustain themselves quite well in terms of economy, transportation, energy and food. The blue shitholes not so much.
They need us more than we need them.
That’s why they will double down on keeping the free states chained. I know you think there could be a bloodless secession but I’m not so sure. I think they’ll go full on Nazi on us. The good news is more and more people are wising up to the Democrats’ lies and it looks like the voters are moving more red. That’s why they are desperate to pass voter “rights” (Dem cheat) laws.
Their rhetoric is getting more and more outrageous. (Lock up the unvaccinated! Take away their kids!) You always say the flak is heaviest over the target and I think that’s what’s happening. With anything resembling fair elections they will be thrown out on their ass this year and in 2024. But they’re looking for any excuse to bypass fair elections because they know they cannot win. They have nothing at all to run on, Biden is a total failure, everything they touch has turned to shit. All they can do is lie about it, censor the news and try to keep the voters from hearing the truth, and then cheat as much as possible. But the voters see the high gas prices and the empty shelves and if they have half a brain cell are terrified of getting tangled up in the Ukraine. And we are wise to their cheating now, it’s going to be a lot harder to do.
What will save us is the free states are well armed. But hopefully it won’t come to that. Although you can’t put it past the Democrats to have the military conduct door to door “terrorist” eradication on American soil like they did in Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam. It doesn’t matter what the law says, they routinely disregard the Constitution. It’s their wet dream to kill all the “rednecks” in flyover country that disagree with the great reset and the woke cult.
They want a dozen big cities and a couple of blue states to have an iron grip on all the massive land area and the rest of us and impose their cultural bullshit of MMGW and non-binary genders on us while taxing the productive workers into poverty. And then they’ll blame the decline of the U.S. on us instead of their own evil totalitarian policies.
Post by: Lucifer on January 30, 2022, 08:41:10 AM
That’s why they will double down on keeping the free states chained. I know you think there could be a bloodless secession but I’m not so sure. I think they’ll go full on Nazi on us. The good news is more and more people are wising up to the Democrats’ lies and it looks like the voters are moving more red. That’s why they are desperate to pass voter “rights” (Dem cheat) laws.
Their rhetoric is getting more and more outrageous. (Lock up the unvaccinated! Take away their kids!) You always say the flak is heaviest over the target and I think that’s what’s happening. With anything resembling fair elections they will be thrown out on their ass this year and in 2024. But they’re looking for any excuse to bypass fair elections because they know they cannot win. They have nothing at all to run on, Biden is a total failure, everything they touch has turned to shit. All they can do is lie about it, censor the news and try to keep the voters from hearing the truth, and then cheat as much as possible. But the voters see the high gas prices and the empty shelves and if they have half a brain cell are terrified of getting tangled up in the Ukraine. And we are wise to their cheating now, it’s going to be a lot harder to do.
What will save us is the free states are well armed. But hopefully it won’t come to that. Although you can’t put it past the Democrats to have the military conduct door to door “terrorist” eradication on American soil like they did in Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam. It doesn’t matter what the law says, they routinely disregard the Constitution. It’s their wet dream to kill all the “rednecks” in flyover country that disagree with the great reset and the woke cult.
They want a dozen big cities and a couple of blue states to have an iron grip on all the massive land area and the rest of us and impose their cultural bullshit of MMGW and non-binary genders on us while taxing the productive workers into poverty. And then they’ll blame the decline of the U.S. on us instead of their own evil totalitarian policies.
Keep in mind you are hearing the voices of a small minority. They only seem like a majority because of big tech and the MSM, but in reality they are not that large, nor do they have the support to put the free states into chains. There are far more of us than them.
The free states are pushing back, and it's working. This is why the democrat communist are so unhinged. This is why the DC's are pushing for more radical agendas and more censorship, they are losing the narrative.
I feel quite comfortable living in a free state, and I don't fear these trolls or the fedgov. There's a reason people are fleeing the deep blue shitholes, and the 3rd world shitholes are doubling down on those that remain.
The blue shitholes cannot exist without the free states to support them, this is a fact. This is also why the DC's and the Uniparty inside the beltway are robbing the treasury pumping money to the shitholes to keep them afloat.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 31, 2022, 10:48:49 AM
we are all going to DIE!!!!
Post by: Username on January 31, 2022, 11:28:25 AM
Post by: Rush on January 31, 2022, 11:50:37 AM
More infective, less dangerous and severe, and it protects against future covid infections. Sounds like a good thing! Take off those masks! Hug a stranger! Let's get this over with!
No, they throw in the term “stealth”. That’s designed to trigger you subconsciously into fear. Even as they say it’s less dangerous. They want you to get the subliminal message, “Be very afraid. Obey.”
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 31, 2022, 11:56:45 AM
Post by: Little Joe on January 31, 2022, 12:47:21 PM
Sounds like a good thing! Take off those masks! Hug a stranger! Let's get this over with!Well that didn't work.
Not only did she hit me with her umbrella, but now my wife is pissed too.
Post by: Mr Pou on January 31, 2022, 12:49:12 PM
No, they throw in the term “stealth”. That’s designed to trigger you subconsciously into fear. Even as they say it’s less dangerous. They want you to get the subliminal message, “Be very afraid. Obey.”
Why? I like stealth. Flying under the radar is a good thing, in general.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 31, 2022, 01:05:29 PM
Well that didn't work.
Not only did she hit me with her umbrella, but now my wife is pissed too.
but did you get covid?
sometimes you just have to make take one for the team...
Post by: Little Joe on January 31, 2022, 01:12:04 PM
Why? I like stealth. Flying under the radar is a good thing, in general.Maybe if it is YOU that is flying under the radar it is good. But they are insinuating that the disease that is trying to kill you is stealthy, which strikes fear in heart of the gullible.
Post by: Mr Pou on January 31, 2022, 01:21:58 PM
Maybe if it is YOU that is flying under the radar it is good. But they are insinuating that the disease that is trying to kill you is stealthy, which strikes fear in heart of the gullible.
And the gullible just eat this shit up.
Post by: Little Joe on January 31, 2022, 01:23:06 PM
And the gullible just eat this shit up.They really do. It makes them think the government is doing all it can to protect them.
Post by: nddons on January 31, 2022, 02:43:26 PM
Maybe if it is YOU that is flying under the radar it is good. But they are insinuating that the disease that is trying to kill you is stealthy, which strikes fear in heart of the gullible.(https://media3.giphy.com/media/WZVPfKlNl3hCM/giphy.gif)
Post by: Lucifer on February 01, 2022, 06:45:35 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 01, 2022, 06:46:16 AM
Post by: Anthony on February 01, 2022, 08:03:00 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/vPEq6vQ.jpg)
The parallels of Covid to Man Made Climate change are chillingly similar. It is ALL about control and fleecing people out of more money through forced Government and Corporate intrusion.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 02, 2022, 06:51:17 AM
So good that we locked down. >:(
Post by: Mr Pou on February 02, 2022, 07:14:44 AM
https://www.kabc.com/2022/02/01/johns-hopkins-report-lockdowns-did-not-work/
So good that we locked down. >:(
Due to being considered an essential business, I've worked the entire time since the beginning, and to my knowledge I've not contracted covid. Or if I did, it was so inconsequential as to be in the noise of normal winter sniffles.
I did enjoy the commute while all the lucky got to work from home, however.
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2022, 07:33:28 AM
Due to being considered an essential business, I've worked the entire time since the beginning, and to my knowledge I've not contracted covid. Or if I did, it was so inconsequential as to be in the noise of normal winter sniffles.
I did enjoy the commute while all the lucky got to work from home, however.
We both got the winter sniffles a couple of times that was so inconsequential we weren’t even sure it was a cold and not just dry winter air or allergies. I have so many allergies it’s really hard to tell if I am having extra sniffles anyway. I don’t think we got covid but we might have. Hey…. I sneezed just now. OMG I’M GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 02, 2022, 07:33:56 AM
https://www.kabc.com/2022/02/01/johns-hopkins-report-lockdowns-did-not-work/
So good that we locked down. >:(
It wasn’t actually a real lockdown. Waaaaaay too many “essential” businesses (eg liquor stores)
Post by: Mr Pou on February 02, 2022, 07:36:22 AM
We both got the winter sniffles a couple of times that was so inconsequential we weren’t even sure it was a cold and not just dry winter air or allergies. I have so many allergies it’s really hard to tell if I am having extra sniffles anyway. I don’t think we got covid but we might have. Hey…. I sneezed just now. OMG I’M GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!
Yeah, I've been sick a few times, but the thought of getting tested never crossed my mind. Yet I have cow-orkers who test themselves at every sneeze or sniffle. I really believe some people are addicted to drama, and drama is my kryptonite. Can't stand drama queens.
Post by: Old Crow on February 02, 2022, 10:26:15 AM
It wasn’t actually a real lockdown. Waaaaaay too many “essential” businesses (eg liquor stores)Especially here in New Hampshire since all liquor stores are run by the State.
Post by: nddons on February 02, 2022, 10:30:54 AM
Due to being considered an essential business, I've worked the entire time since the beginning, and to my knowledge I've not contracted covid. Or if I did, it was so inconsequential as to be in the noise of normal winter sniffles.This is me, exactly. I did enjoy the commute in the spring/summer of 2020. CPA firms were an essential business - got to keep money flowing into the treasury dontcha know.
I did enjoy the commute while all the lucky got to work from home, however.
Post by: nddons on February 02, 2022, 10:40:26 AM
It wasn’t actually a real lockdown. Waaaaaay too many “essential” businesses (eg liquor stores)Hey hey sir. Careful. Liquor stores were critical to getting through government forced lockdowns.
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2022, 11:23:07 AM
Hey hey sir. Careful. Liquor stores were critical to getting through government forced lockdowns.
Seems like in some places they shut down the liquor stores and then reopened them real fast when doctors informed the politicians that alcoholics will have fatal seizures if you cut them off cold turkey.
Post by: texasag93 on February 02, 2022, 12:37:30 PM
Seems like in some places they shut down the liquor stores and then reopened them real fast when doctors informed the politicians that alcoholics will have fatal seizures if you cut them off cold turkey.
I was in South Africa in May. South Africa shut down all tobacco and alcohol sales.
The SA Presidents son ran the black market on both of tobacco and alcohol. It was a real shit show.
I carried my own booze for my trip.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 02, 2022, 02:48:31 PM
I really believe some people are addicted to drama, and drama is my kryptonite. Can't stand drama queens.
Me too. I literally have watched people create serious drama for themselves when they easily could have avoided it. I also think moodiness is a sin.* Don’t wreck things for everyone!
*Possible exception for those who haven’t had their morning coffee yet.
Post by: nddons on February 02, 2022, 03:17:31 PM
Me too. I literally have watched people create serious drama for themselves when they easily could have avoided it. I also think moodiness is a sin.* Don’t wreck things for everyone!If anyone has seen a happy liberal in the last six years, can you let me know? I’ve never seen a more dour, depressed, angry group of people in my entire life.
*Possible exception for those who haven’t had their morning coffee yet.
A happy liberal is a unicorn.
Post by: Anthony on February 03, 2022, 04:18:03 AM
If anyone has seen a happy liberal in the last six years, can you let me know? I’ve never seen a more dour, depressed, angry group of people in my entire life.
A happy liberal is a unicorn.
Almost all of them are miserable. Misery loves company. That's why they want to CONTROL YOU.
Post by: Rush on February 03, 2022, 04:28:26 AM
If anyone has seen a happy liberal in the last six years, can you let me know? I’ve never seen a more dour, depressed, angry group of people in my entire life.
A happy liberal is a unicorn.
A happy liberal isn’t a leftist fascist. I suppose Russell Brand is a happy liberal. But it’s all semantics.
Post by: elwood blues on February 03, 2022, 10:11:53 AM
Post by: nddons on February 03, 2022, 11:38:01 AM
Well, I myself have been a little agitated the last 15 months. >:(So have most of us. I don’t know where you stand on the political spectrum, but are you looking to cancel someone? Silence someone? Shame someone? Argue with someone? Dox someone? Or are you getting on with your life, having fun, and just want to be left alone?
Post by: nddons on February 03, 2022, 01:27:45 PM
If anyone has seen a happy liberal in the last six years, can you let me know? I’ve never seen a more dour, depressed, angry group of people in my entire life.Here’s an angry little cunt liberal. (Sorry for my French, Rush and Becky.)
A happy liberal is a unicorn.
‘Have Respect You Irrelevant Washed Up Actress’: Susan Sarandon Torched For Mocking Massive NYPD Funeral
https://www.dailywire.com/news/have-respect-you-irrelevant-washed-up-actress-susan-sarandon-torched-for-mocking-massive-nypd-funeral
Post by: Number7 on February 03, 2022, 01:52:28 PM
Post by: Rush on February 03, 2022, 02:05:33 PM
Here’s an angry little cunt liberal. (Sorry for my French, Rush and Becky.)
‘Have Respect You Irrelevant Washed Up Actress’: Susan Sarandon Torched For Mocking Massive NYPD Funeral
https://www.dailywire.com/news/have-respect-you-irrelevant-washed-up-actress-susan-sarandon-torched-for-mocking-massive-nypd-funeral
No need to apologize to me. It’s a perfectly accurate description.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 03, 2022, 07:14:23 PM
How come nobody had previously talked about natural immunity or immunity created because of exposure to covid-19?
(green font is presumed, right?)
Post by: Anthony on February 04, 2022, 04:09:39 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on February 04, 2022, 06:32:24 AM
Last night the place was fairly packed, a good mix of all ages, no masks anywhere. People smiling, talking, laughing, and having a nice time. It is a great thing to see...
Post by: nddons on February 04, 2022, 07:59:27 AM
My wife and I have a favorite neighborhood bar we go to every Thursday night as they have a great rotating selection of beers (about 25 on tap) and fantastic live music.That’s been Wisconsin bars since this whole thing began.
Last night the place was fairly packed, a good mix of all ages, no masks anywhere. People smiling, talking, laughing, and having a nice time. It is a great thing to see...
Well, unless they were in Milwaukee or the Peoples Republic of Madison. Then they were full of masktards. But bar patrons in the rest of the state couldn’t give a shit about masks.
One bar my wife and I frequent most is a biker bar called Hogg’s Alley. Once I saw 4 millennials walk in all wearing masks. They saw not a single other person wearing masks, and walked out. You could hear laughter from a lot of patrons.
Post by: elwood blues on February 04, 2022, 10:33:19 PM
So have most of us. I don’t know where you stand on the political spectrum, but are you looking to cancel someone? Silence someone? Shame someone? Argue with someone? Dox someone? Or are you getting on with your life, having fun, and just want to be left alone?
I don't have the energy or the inclination to do that and I can't even imagine what it must be like for those who do: waking up every morning, full of hate and enraged that someone could possibly have a different thought than themselves.
Tucker did a spot on that regarding Joe Rogan.
Skip to 12:07 for the one-line summary.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 05, 2022, 01:12:42 AM
I don't have the energy or the inclination to do that and I can't even imagine what it must be like for those who do: waking up every morning, full of hate and enraged that someone could possibly have a different thought than you.
Tucker did a spot on that regarding Joe Rogan.
Skip to 12:07 for the one-line summary.
Just FYI, for youtube videos on this forum you have to insert the entire URL, not just Youtube's video ID.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 05, 2022, 11:40:27 AM
That’s been Wisconsin bars since this whole thing began.I swear the millennials and younger are the most compliant group I've seen, and I live in God's Waiting Room. I really fear for when they start to take over, they have been brought up to embrace socialism.
Well, unless they were in Milwaukee or the Peoples Republic of Madison. Then they were full of masktards. But bar patrons in the rest of the state couldn’t give a shit about masks.
One bar my wife and I frequent most is a biker bar called Hogg’s Alley. Once I saw 4 millennials walk in all wearing masks. They saw not a single other person wearing masks, and walked out. You could hear laughter from a lot of patrons.
Post by: Anthony on February 05, 2022, 04:04:16 PM
I swear the millennials and younger are the most compliant group I've seen, and I live in God's Waiting Room. I really fear for when they start to take over, they have been brought up to embrace socialism.
Seems to be a lot of teens, college age kids, etc embracing the fear, masks, lockdowns, big Government control and restrictions. They have NO BALLS nor heart to live life.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 05, 2022, 04:18:45 PM
Post by: Mr Pou on February 07, 2022, 06:41:13 AM
Seems to be a lot of teens, college age kids, etc embracing the fear, masks, lockdowns, big Government control and restrictions. They have NO BALLS nor heart to live life.
Agree, when I'm out in stores, restaurants, even the local neighborhood bar, it's the young ones wearing the masks. Can you imagine what would happen if we had to send today's generation to do a job like the one assigned to the Greatest Generation?
Post by: Rush on February 07, 2022, 06:50:39 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on February 07, 2022, 06:57:37 AM
Y’all must live in cities. Around here young people aren’t wearing masks unless forced to by being employed at Walmart or doctors offices.
Yes, a mid-sized southern city.
It's like the tail wagging the dog. When I was young, it was the youth who quesitioned and resisted government and authority. Now, it's the older (same people really!) who are questioning and resisting, and the young stepping in line.
Post by: elwood blues on February 07, 2022, 10:12:41 AM
It seems like this generation can't think, they can only follow orders and directions from others that they deem superior to themselves. The crazy thing is that they're not even good at following the directions either. :o
Post by: Rush on February 07, 2022, 11:08:25 AM
Well, there's definitely a disconnect, or a screw loose. I was talking to my niece about driving directions and she told me, "Even if it leads me into a river; if the GPS tells me to turn right, I'm turning right."
It seems like this generation can't think, they can only follow orders and directions from others that they deem superior to themselves. The crazy thing is that they're not even good at following the directions either. :o
I believe there is a serious problem with the brain wiring of kids raised on iPhones and gps. They are unable to read a map. Don’t have the attention span to read a book. Don’t understand files, because search engines find everything for them, they’ve never had to organize file folders on a computer, much less actual paper in literal file cabinets. Can’t work on cars because they’re too electronic now. The internet gives them broad acquaintance with every subject but only on shallow levels.
Post by: nddons on February 07, 2022, 11:17:15 AM
Yes, a mid-sized southern city.Yep. It may be the first generation in the last century that ISN’T rebelling against the society forged by their parents.
It's like the tail wagging the dog. When I was young, it was the youth who quesitioned and resisted government and authority. Now, it's the older (same people really!) who are questioning and resisting, and the young stepping in line.
Post by: nddons on February 07, 2022, 11:20:31 AM
Well, there's definitely a disconnect, or a screw loose. I was talking to my niece about driving directions and she told me, "Even if it leads me into a river; if the GPS tells me to turn right, I'm turning right."North, south, east and west are foreign concepts to these people. I would say my daughter was included in that, until she became a dairy veterinarian and HAD to read maps to find a dairy client.
It seems like this generation can't think, they can only follow orders and directions from others that they deem superior to themselves. The crazy thing is that they're not even good at following the directions either. :o
She used to laugh at me for my paper maps when we would go on vacation. But Google Maps has sent me wrong more than once.
Post by: nddons on February 07, 2022, 11:24:14 AM
I believe there is a serious problem with the brain wiring of kids raised on iPhones and gps. They are unable to read a map. Don’t have the attention span to read a book. Don’t understand files, because search engines find everything for them, they’ve never had to organize file folders on a computer, much less actual paper in literal file cabinets. Can’t work on cars because they’re too electronic now. The internet gives them broad acquaintance with every subject but only on shallow levels.We see this in our CPA profession. The industry has gone away from paper copies of case law, code, regulations, treatises. Most offices used to have its own law library.
So everything is electronic now. However, unless you know how to drill down into a code or regulations before doing a word search, you will get an unworkable response to your searches. Young people are so used to using The Google on The Line that they can’t use their intellect.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 07, 2022, 12:01:52 PM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 07, 2022, 12:14:42 PM
We see this in our CPA profession. The industry has gone away from paper copies of case law, code, regulations, treatises. Most offices used to have its own law library.
So everything is electronic now. However, unless you know how to drill down into a code or regulations before doing a word search, you will get an unworkable response to your searches. Young people are so used to using The Google on The Line that they can’t use their intellect.
Makes it easy to change definitions and text and unless you kept a copy you'd never be able to prove it.
Post by: Rush on February 07, 2022, 12:20:29 PM
Makes it easy to change definitions and text and unless you kept a copy you'd never be able to prove it.
THIS is why I can’t give up getting paper statements. It creeps me out that our wealth consists of digital ones and zeros in various bank and investment accounts. Yet converting it all to gold and keeping it at the house doesn’t seem very safe either, but at least then it exists in material reality. So I hang on to paper statements as some kind of tangible evidence of our assets.
Post by: Username on February 07, 2022, 01:09:00 PM
Post by: nddons on February 07, 2022, 02:41:20 PM
THIS is why I can’t give up getting paper statements. It creeps me out that our wealth consists of digital ones and zeros in various bank and investment accounts. Yet converting it all to gold and keeping it at the house doesn’t seem very safe either, but at least then it exists in material reality. So I hang on to paper statements as some kind of tangible evidence of our assets.We’ve lost so many paper statements from the inept and corrupt USPS that we stopped paper, but we go online and download and print out a statement for our files. Belts and suspenders I guess, but when the electromagnetic pulse hits and wipes out electronics, you and I can go to our bank and get cash. (Yes, I know that’s theoretical. No need for anyone to remind me that if electronics go, the banks get fucked it too, and in turn we all get fucked.)
Post by: texasag93 on February 07, 2022, 03:32:33 PM
Yep.
The one on the right is my 16 year old. He has 75 hours and I bet he could not find his way to the airports on his regular route (kidding). I will change that once he get his license. Until then, the CFII's bad habits are a majority better that my bad habits (and my son cannot log time with only me in the airplane).
When we do fly together, he operates the GPS and radios. I point out landmarks to help him improve his pilotage.
Post by: Rush on February 07, 2022, 05:42:33 PM
The one on the right is my 16 year old. He has 75 hours and I bet he could not find his way to the airports on his regular route (kidding). I will change that once he get his license. Until then, the CFII's bad habits are a majority better that my bad habits (and my son cannot log time with only me in the airplane).
When we do fly together, he operates the GPS and radios. I point out landmarks to help him improve his pilotage.
When I studied IFR (never got rated) I learned the NDBs and VORs and never once used a GPS. I thought using a GPS was cheating. I guess I’m an old fogy.
Post by: Mr Pou on February 08, 2022, 06:21:51 AM
When I studied IFR (never got rated) I learned the NDBs and VORs and never once used a GPS. I thought using a GPS was cheating. I guess I’m an old fogy.
I belonged to the club when I did my IR, and I could choose the old school 172 with VOR, DME, and ADF, or use the new Archer with twin 430's and an S-Tec AP. I chose the 172, figuring I could learn the fancy stuff later on my own, and it worked out well. It's still good to be able to hand fly an old school approach on steam gauges.
Post by: Rush on February 08, 2022, 06:54:58 AM
I belonged to the club when I did my IR, and I could choose the old school 172 with VOR, DME, and ADF, or use the new Archer with twin 430's and an S-Tec AP. I chose the 172, figuring I could learn the fancy stuff later on my own, and it worked out well. It's still good to be able to hand fly an old school approach on steam gauges.
I would have done the same. I don’t think we even had the GPS in the 172 back when I did hood time. My SIM didn’t have it. Not being able to fly without a GPS is sort of like not being able to drive a manual transmission car. Pathetic. Get off my lawn.
Post by: Mr Pou on February 08, 2022, 07:07:15 AM
sort of like not being able to drive a manual transmission car. Pathetic. Get off my lawn.
I just ordered my wife a new car. Well, not really a car, a Wrangler. With 6sp manual transmission, because even as she nears the big 60 she still likes stirring her own gears.
I'm Mr Pou, and I approve this message!
Post by: Rush on February 08, 2022, 07:12:59 AM
I just ordered my wife a new car. Well, not really a car, a Wrangler. With 6sp manual transmission, because even as she nears the big 60 she still likes stirring her own gears.
I'm Mr Pou, and I approve this message!
We made our girls drive manual cars. Taught them how to change tires and oil too. Our oldest when she got her drivers license wanted a fast little red sport car but we got her an old Mercedes diesel. She was so mad.
Post by: Mr Pou on February 08, 2022, 07:18:09 AM
We made our girls drive manual cars. Taught them how to change tires and oil too. Our oldest when she got her drivers license wanted a fast little red sport car but we got her an old Mercedes diesel. She was so mad.
If it was an old W123 240D with stick shift, she should have been thrilled. I'd love to find a good old W123 to mess with. Those were lifetime cars, back when MB really did build the best cars in the world.
Post by: Anthony on February 08, 2022, 08:02:42 AM
I just ordered my wife a new car. Well, not really a car, a Wrangler. With 6sp manual transmission, because even as she nears the big 60 she still likes stirring her own gears.
I'm Mr Pou, and I approve this message!
My 2003 Jeep Wrangler TJ has a manual 5 sp transmission, roll up windows, manual door locks, etc. It's about as dirt simple as you can get. Plus the old 4 liter straight six is awesome.
Post by: Mr Pou on February 08, 2022, 08:24:34 AM
My 2003 Jeep Wrangler TJ has a manual 5 sp transmission, roll up windows, manual door locks, etc. It's about as dirt simple as you can get. Plus the old 4 liter straight six is awesome.
We ordered a base JL Sport, std V6, 6-sp manual, soft top, 2-door. Same as yours, manual windows, manual door locks, no power anything as I wanted a basic Jeep. We did get four options: Rear tinted windows (it's hot in the south), A/C (not standard, it's hot), limited slip rear end (open dif makes no sense on a Jeep), and trailer tow. I wish the old 4L six was available, it's robust and easy to work on, but the pentastar six isn't horrible.
She's wanted a Wrangler for 20yrs, and I've been jonesing for a convertible, so I can't wait for it to come in. Looking forward to top down doors off driving. It will be the retirement car that satisfies us both!
Post by: texasag93 on February 08, 2022, 09:31:11 AM
We ordered a base JL Sport, std V6, 6-sp manual, soft top, 2-door. Same as yours, manual windows, manual door locks, no power anything as I wanted a basic Jeep. We did get four options: Rear tinted windows (it's hot in the south), A/C (not standard, it's hot), limited slip rear end (open dif makes no sense on a Jeep), and trailer tow. I wish the old 4L six was available, it's robust and easy to work on, but the pentastar six isn't horrible.
She's wanted a Wrangler for 20yrs, and I've been jonesing for a convertible, so I can't wait for it to come in. Looking forward to top down doors off driving. It will be the retirement car that satisfies us both!
Do they still ride like a buckboard wagon?
Post by: Username on February 08, 2022, 09:47:27 AM
I would have done the same. I don’t think we even had the GPS in the 172 back when I did hood time. My SIM didn’t have it. Not being able to fly without a GPS is sort of like not being able to drive a manual transmission car. Pathetic. Get off my lawn.Back to the first thread drift :) I did my initial instrument training way back with VORs and NDBs and got pretty good at it. An ILS was a delight. But now that I have glass, it's a game changer. Everything in the scan in just one instrument. Having all those GPS approaches to places that never had any kind of approach is pretty cool as well. I'm looking forward to getting my CFII back from wherever and seeing what glass and GPS can really do.
Post by: Rush on February 08, 2022, 10:07:29 AM
If it was an old W123 240D with stick shift, she should have been thrilled. I'd love to find a good old W123 to mess with. Those were lifetime cars, back when MB really did build the best cars in the world.
It was indeed. We owned several of that series over the years and one of the station wagon variation. They all had the door handles. Today I’m still driving an ‘86 300 SDL but it’s automatic and has power windows. I can still drive manual if I have to though. You never forget.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 08, 2022, 10:18:21 AM
Do they still ride like a buckboard wagon?
I think that's part of the attraction.
Post by: Anthony on February 09, 2022, 03:49:24 AM
Do they still ride like a buckboard wagon?
No. That's why you now see old ladies driving the newer ones. My 2003 rides somewhat ok, but nothing like the newer ones. The new ones are TOO comfy IMHO.
Post by: Mr Pou on February 09, 2022, 06:09:26 AM
No. That's why you now see old ladies driving the newer ones. My 2003 rides somewhat ok, but nothing like the newer ones. The new ones are TOO comfy IMHO.
That will soon be fixed by a 2" lift and 33's.
Post by: Anthony on February 09, 2022, 09:06:18 AM
That will soon be fixed by a 2" lift and 33's.
That's exactly what I'm doing to mine.
Post by: elwood blues on February 10, 2022, 09:29:24 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/feel-guilty-dad-feels-guilty-10-year-old-son-died-following-covid-19-vaccination/#insticator-commenting (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/feel-guilty-dad-feels-guilty-10-year-old-son-died-following-covid-19-vaccination/#insticator-commenting)
From the comments:
Please don't feel guilty sir. Feel sad and angry. You have suffered an extraordinary loss AND THE GOVERNMENT IS TO BLAME - NOT YOU. This was NOT your fault. Once upon a time, medicine was guided by medical doctors. Now it has been usurped by nurses, applied health, mad scientists, beurocrats, big pharma and worst of all politicians - all of whom have some form of agenda - be it validation, relevance, fame, money, control. You were mind controlled to comply. You were socially engineered to put your son forward as a cruel experiment. The democrat government, left wing, woke left wing social media platforms AND MAIN STREAM MEDIA DELIBERATELY SHUT DOWN DISSENTING VIEWS BY WAY OF PENALTY (of police brutality, fines, house arrest, shaming, exclusion, stigmatization) AND CANCEL CULTURE. There has been a deliberate terror campaign waged on the world community. They allowed this explode into a mass panic.
You only did what you could to protect your child as any good parent would and did so IN GOOD FAITH THAT THE GOVERNEMENT DID WHAT IT COULD TO PROTECT YOU. AND THE GOVERNEMNT WITH ITS AGENDA - FAILED YOU. FAILED YOUR SON. FAILED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
It was the democratic governments agenda to terrorize you, control you, force you to comply. Out of chaos comes control. And they will stop at nothing to get that control. We have unequivocally crossed the red line of tyrannical government. How many more children have to die? Is it not time for the people to exercise the second amendment? I am very sorry for your loss sir. But it was NOT your fault. You tried to protect your family. They didn't do due diligence. They murdered your son. Sue the government. Sue the pharmacological company. Sue mainstream media for the constant in your face brain washing. After mourning your loss, get angry. This was a completely unnecessary tragedy. Your son was more likely to die from covid vaccination related issues than EVER succumbing to the actual virus. Kids are not dying in the street from covid. This push to vaccinate kids as per mad scientist and criminal fauci was outrageous - what long term studies proved NNT and Adverse Drug Reactions in this population. Careless, reckless, NON evidence based mass genetic manipulation. I am so sorry sir. My heart and prayers go out to you. Don't waste you emotions on guilt. Get angry, when the time is right for you. You have everyones support.
Post by: Lucifer on February 11, 2022, 05:19:59 AM
This is both heartbreaking and infuriating.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/feel-guilty-dad-feels-guilty-10-year-old-son-died-following-covid-19-vaccination/#insticator-commenting (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/feel-guilty-dad-feels-guilty-10-year-old-son-died-following-covid-19-vaccination/#insticator-commenting)
The Branch Covidians will remind everyone that this was a mere coincidence, and there's really no connection to the death and vaccine. ::)
Post by: Rush on February 11, 2022, 06:22:49 AM
The Branch Covidians will remind everyone that this was a mere coincidence, and there's really no connection to the death and vaccine. ::)
SVT is a thing that happens anyway. But it has also been suspected to be caused by other vaccines including the ones given in infancy and the HPV vaccine giving to young women.
It’s nearly impossible to prove or disprove the connection between childhood vaccines and SVT or autism or SIDS or any other condition because childhood vaccines are mandated, or might as well be, you can’t attend school without them. You can’t do a prospective study on babies and children with an unvaccinated control group because there is none. And even if there were, there are ethical concerns experimenting on children. (Ironic, because giving children the covid vaccine IS experimenting on them.)
In reality we have no idea if this man’s child’s tachycardia was caused by the covid vaccine or by the other vaccines he had received. Or he would have had it without any vaccines. It is very possible that he already had undiagnosed SVT all along, then the covid vaccine kicked it into high gear to the point it killed him. SVT can be asymptomatic. SVT is commonly present in the fetus before birth, it happened to my grandson. Usually after birth it resolves but sometimes it remains a lifelong condition. Often it causes no problems until old age weakens you or you have some other aggravating factor. People can have it their whole lives and not know it.
There is no proving or disproving it. This is why people MUST have the freedom to make their own choices. You will never convince this father he didn’t cause his son’s death by getting him vaccinated. What a horrible added burden he wouldn’t have had even if his kid died anyway without the vaccines.
Post by: Lucifer on February 11, 2022, 06:33:03 AM
SVT is a thing that happens anyway. But it has also been suspected to be caused by other vaccines including the ones given in infancy and the HPV vaccine giving to young women.
It’s nearly impossible to prove or disprove the connection between childhood vaccines and SVT or autism or SIDS or any other condition because childhood vaccines are mandated, or might as well be, you can’t attend school without them. You can’t do a prospective study on babies and children with an unvaccinated control group because there is none. And even if there were, there are ethical concerns experimenting on children. (Ironic, because giving children the covid vaccine IS experimenting on them.)
In reality we have no idea if this man’s child’s tachycardia was caused by the covid vaccine or by the other vaccines he had received. Or he would have had it without any vaccines. It is very possible that he already had undiagnosed SVT all along, then the covid vaccine kicked it into high gear to the point it killed him. SVT can be asymptomatic. SVT is commonly present in the fetus before birth, it happened to my grandson. Usually after birth it resolves but sometimes it remains a lifelong condition. Often it causes no problems until old age weakens you or you have some other aggravating factor. People can have it their whole lives and not know it.
There is no proving or disproving it. This is why people MUST have the freedom to make their own choices. You will never convince this father he didn’t cause his son’s death by getting him vaccinated. What a horrible added burden he wouldn’t have had even if his kid died anyway without the vaccines.
The evidence is building and building with the damage that's being done with these so called vaccines. Big Tech, MSM and government are going out of their way to silence anyone who dares present or speak against Pope Tony's magic elixir. In the next 5 year period we are going to see the fallout of the world's greatest medical experiment.
Post by: Rush on February 11, 2022, 06:56:20 AM
The evidence is building and building with the damage that's being done with these so called vaccines. Big Tech, MSM and government are going out of their way to silence anyone who dares present or speak against Pope Tony's magic elixir. In the next 5 year period we are going to see the fallout of the world's greatest medical experiment.
The left was so all against vaccines and pro individual choice in medical matters thirty years ago. Now they have flip flopped and the left is all for forced vaccination and pro big government and big pharma. The left are traitors to their own ideology. They have sided with fascist control and have BETRAYED the common people. They have sold out. Anyone who votes Democrat or calls themselves leftist/liberal today is a traitor to freedom.
Post by: Mr Pou on February 11, 2022, 07:07:15 AM
The left was so all against vaccines and pro individual choice in medical matters thirty years ago. Now they have flip flopped and the left is all for forced vaccination and pro big government and big pharma. The left are traitors to their own ideology. They have sided with fascist control and have BETRAYED the common people. They have sold out. Anyone who votes Democrat or calls themselves leftist/liberal today is a traitor to freedom.
Makes sense that it's the left. If one were a superpower and wanted to subvert either of the US political parties, which one would be easier to take?
Post by: Rush on February 11, 2022, 07:32:12 AM
Makes sense that it's the left. If one were a superpower and wanted to subvert either of the US political parties, which one would be easier to take?
The Democrats. Make the Democrat Party THE fascist authority and then screech about how Republicans are “fascists”.
Post by: Mr Pou on February 11, 2022, 08:30:50 AM
The Democrats. Make the Democrat Party THE fascist authority and then screech about how Republicans are “fascists”.
The problem is there is enough money to buy off the important Repubs as well.
Post by: Rush on February 12, 2022, 10:21:20 AM
Post by: Username on February 12, 2022, 11:58:04 AM
A coworker was vaccinated and boosted and just got over a bad case of covid that had her in bed for two weeks. If the vaccines work, why don’t they work?Looks like they are working just as planned... more profits for Big Pharma.
Post by: Rush on February 12, 2022, 12:06:35 PM
Looks like they are working just as planned... more profits for Big Pharma.
Also she couldn't get monoclonal antibody treatment.
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2022, 12:14:50 PM
A coworker was vaccinated and boosted and just got over a bad case of covid that had her in bed for two weeks. If the vaccines work, why don’t they work?
See! It did work! She didn't die!!!
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 12, 2022, 12:37:16 PM
If the vaccines work, why don’t they work?
omg - because no f'n vaccine is 100% perfect.
there is plenty of valid complaints to make... but that's not one of them... and you diminish credibility....
Post by: Little Joe on February 12, 2022, 01:09:39 PM
omg - because no f'n vaccine is 100% perfect.I used to say the same thing. I used to point out that if you get the shot, your odds of being hospitalized are lowered and your odds of dying are lowered. But I have just known way too many people that got the shot and wound up sick. VERY sick.
there is plenty of valid complaints to make... but that's not one of them... and you diminish credibility....
Here in my home county:
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/coronavirus/2022/02/09/halifax-health-adventhealth-report-drop-in-covid-hospitalizations-volusia-flagler-counties/49774733/
Quote
Of the patients hospitalized Tuesday, nearly 47% were unvaccinated and 12 were receiving ICU care, the hospital system reported.That means over 53% of the hospitalized were vaccinated. In a county with a vaccination rate of around 70% most of the hospitalized are vaccinated. Something is seriously wrong with this picture.
Quote
Volusia County, FL
February 11
Number % in Population
People Vaccinated with at least One Dose 371,642 70.44%
People Fully Vaccinated 324,405 61.48%
Post by: Rush on February 12, 2022, 01:12:30 PM
omg - because no f'n vaccine is 100% perfect.
there is plenty of valid complaints to make... but that's not one of them... and you diminish credibility....
There is a huge difference between imperfect at 95% effective and imperfect at 10% effective, which is what the covid vaccine is now, at best.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 12, 2022, 01:17:42 PM
There is a huge difference between imperfect at 95% effective and imperfect at 10% effective, which is what the covid vaccine is now, at best.
True. But a single example case isn't how you show 95% or 10% effectivity.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 12, 2022, 01:27:52 PM
Here in my home county:
https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/coronavirus/2022/02/09/halifax-health-adventhealth-report-drop-in-covid-hospitalizations-volusia-flagler-counties/49774733/
That means over 53% of the hospitalized were vaccinated. In a county with a vaccination rate of around 70% most of the hospitalized are vaccinated. Something is seriously wrong with this picture.
Incomplete information
if 70% of a population is vaccinated, then you can expect how many people hospitalized to be vaccinated?
If 0% are vaccinated, then 0% of the people hospitalized will have been vaccinated
If 100% are vaccinated, then 100% of the people hospitalized will have been vaccinated
Does the vaccine prevent infection or does it just prevent serious illness?
Here in maskachusetts, a little under half of the people in the hospital with covid were hospitalized because of covid (484 out of 1062 patients with covid). Interestingly, a little over half the people hospitalized were considered fully vaccinated "when they contracted covid" (578 of the 1062 patients) (https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-response-reporting). But that is incomplete information. Maskachusetts isn't separately reporting the vaccination status of the people hospitalized because of covid (currenly 484 patients).
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 12, 2022, 02:36:27 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2022, 05:27:19 PM
All just a coincidence. Obviously you lack complete data................. ::)
Post by: bflynn on February 13, 2022, 05:37:17 AM
Does the vaccine prevent infection or does it just prevent serious illness
Of course, it mostly prevents infections. But whether or not you develop symptoms and how badly is a function of viral load overwhelming your immune system. The vaccine works by boosting your immune system, so it helps prevent infections. Kind of like the flu shot. Or are we calling that the "flu jab" now?
Given the way infections are being measured, it's possible to have a positive test without having a measurable viral load inside your body.
Post by: Anthony on February 13, 2022, 06:01:34 AM
Of course, it mostly prevents infections. But whether or not you develop symptoms and how badly is a function of viral load overwhelming your immune system. The vaccine works by boosting your immune system, so it helps prevent infections. Kind of like the flu shot. Or are we calling that the "flu jab" now?
Given the way infections are being measured, it's possible to have a positive test without having a measurable viral load inside your body.
Flu jab? Why? How many decades of research and actual USE have Flu vaccines had? How many for the Covid JAB? There is no fucking comparison yet you make one to inject (pun) negative commentary in a warped, banal way.
Grow up. ::)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 13, 2022, 06:03:56 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 13, 2022, 06:04:36 AM
Post by: Number7 on February 13, 2022, 06:22:15 AM
Why is it we choose to forget being told that these vaccines would stop COVID dead in its tracks.
People who fell for the lies and ran out to get injected with an experimental drug now want everyone else to make the same mistake.
When people took a longer view of the risk /reward it made those who couldn't wait to comply angry and jealous. It was almost, "how dare you choose for yourself, when the rest of us followed along like good little lemmings."
Once jealousy set in, their objective became compliance at any cost to make themselves feel better about their hasty decision.
It had no foundation in medicine and no relationship to the science.
Post by: Rush on February 13, 2022, 06:41:43 AM
It was almost, "how dare you choose for yourself, when the rest of us followed along like good little lemmings."
I beg to differ. It wasn’t almost that, it was exactly that.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 13, 2022, 07:16:48 AM
Post by: Little Joe on February 13, 2022, 07:20:05 AM
Every year "scientists" try to predict which flu variants should make up the flu shot. 8)And largely fail, yet many still keep getting the flu shot without protest while it is probably just as
My opinion on the effectiveness of the Covid shot has changed, which has only reinforced my opinion that the shot should be voluntary, with no mandates.
No one can claim "it works". Perhaps it works somewhat, with some people. We can argue about how much it works, but it is folly to think it is a silver bullet.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 13, 2022, 07:30:12 AM
And largely fail, yet many still keep getting the flu shot without protest while it is probably just aseffectiveineffective as the Covid shot.
My opinion on the effectiveness of the Covid shot has changed, which has only reinforced my opinion that the shot should be voluntary, with no mandates.
No one can claim "it works". Perhaps it works somewhat, with some people. We can argue about how much it works, but it is folly to think it is a silver bullet.
But look at how effective the flu shot has been the past couple of flu seasons... look at how few flue cases there have been, way way WAY less than previous years. (I'm SURE no flu cases were misdiagnosed at covid... I'm suuurrrreeee)
and, just to be clear, while we might disagree about the effectiveness of the vaccines, we are in complete agreement that vaccinations should be voluntary.
Post by: Lucifer on February 13, 2022, 07:35:28 AM
And we this.....
Again, we have been told how unreliable VAERS is (even though it was previously used for decades) and we have been told all of this is just coincidences.
You know "Not enough data"..............
Pope Tony's magic elixir will solve everything. Never to be questioned.
Post by: Number7 on February 13, 2022, 07:39:51 AM
And we this.....
You KNOW you are NOT allowed to question 'the science.'
their little goddess, tony the infallible, said so.
The virtue signalers are joining up to march to your house and start howling like the mentally challenge ten year olds they are.
Post by: Rush on February 13, 2022, 07:41:45 AM
And we this.....
That last one about life insurance payouts (if true) is all cause mortality. In medicine we know that all cause mortality is the TRUE yardstick in evaluating any parameter related to disease, prevention and treatment. Only all cause mortality takes into account all the effects, side effects and unintended consequences of the disease or any intervention.
All cause mortality related to this pandemic includes deaths due to not being treated because people feared going to the doctor (my friend’s mother), suicides, increased diabetes and obesity due to lockdowns, drug overdoses and alcohol abuse, all increased due to lockdowns, job loss and depression. Beyond the U.S. you can include multiple thousands (possibly millions) of starvation deaths due to supply chain disruption caused solely by imposed restrictions, not the disease itself.
The cure is worse than the disease. Way, way worse in this case. In fact it could well result in WW3 complete with nuclear exchange. It was covid mail in ballots that installed the current warmongering administration.
Post by: Number7 on February 13, 2022, 07:47:27 AM
Post by: nddons on February 13, 2022, 07:48:08 AM
Why is it we choose to forget being told that these vaccines would stop COVID dead in its tracks.These people think we are stupid, or we don’t have short-term memory any more. But that’s not possible in today’s tech world, where everything is recorded for posterity.
They need to grow the fuck up. Admit they failed, apologize, and maybe we can move on. But they won’t of course. They are saying now that the SCIENCE changed. Fucking fuckers.
Post by: nddons on February 13, 2022, 07:53:18 AM
And largely fail, yet many still keep getting the flu shot without protest while it is probably just asWe keep getting the flu shot without protest because there is no need to protest. No one is getting forced to get the flu shot. Everyone who gets it is doing so on their own free will.effectiveineffective as the Covid shot.
My opinion on the effectiveness of the Covid shot has changed, which has only reinforced my opinion that the shot should be voluntary, with no mandates.
No one can claim "it works". Perhaps it works somewhat, with some people. We can argue about how much it works, but it is folly to think it is a silver bullet.
Edit: I know there are a rare number of people who are required to get them in the healthcare profession, but you see my broader point. People elect to get the flu shot, or not. It’s up to them, not the government or some unelected and uneducated public health people.
Post by: Rush on February 13, 2022, 07:54:55 AM
And largely fail, yet many still keep getting the flu shot without protest while it is probably just aseffectiveineffective as the Covid shot.
My opinion on the effectiveness of the Covid shot has changed, which has only reinforced my opinion that the shot should be voluntary, with no mandates.
No one can claim "it works". Perhaps it works somewhat, with some people. We can argue about how much it works, but it is folly to think it is a silver bullet.
Here is what I conclude about the effectiveness of the vaccines. This is backed by many reports coming out. At first it was very effective against the original virus, however, that effectiveness rapidly dropped. You might have 95% protection for a few weeks or months, but a year out it drops below 50%. Hence the “need” for boosters.
But also the virus mutates further decreasing the true real world effectiveness in any individual. It’s going to depend on how recently you were vaccinated and which variant of the virus you encountered. I hear the original Pfizer is only 10% effective against omicron, and that would be immediately. It must go to virtually zero after a few weeks, which seems to be what happened to my coworker. She had been boosted so perhaps she was less severely ill than if she hadn’t been, but there is no way to know what coulda woulda been.
Vaccine effectiveness also varies by individual depending on age and immune system status.
The truth is, the effectiveness is all over the map, depending on all the variables. But what is becoming very clear is that it rapidly fades. It’s hardly worth getting the vaccine for a mere 6 months of good protection. We are supposed to get semiannual boosters now for the rest of time? Fuck that.
Post by: Lucifer on February 13, 2022, 07:58:48 AM
We are supposed to get semiannual boosters now for the rest of time? Fuck that.
Pope Tony along with the CEO's of Pfizer and Moderna believe this to be the idea. After all, the vaccines are "safe and effective".
Just ask them.
Post by: Rush on February 13, 2022, 08:06:53 AM
We keep getting the flu shot without protest because there is no need to protest. No one is getting forced to get the flu shot. Everyone who gets it is doing so on their own free will.
Edit: I know there are a rare number of people who are required to get them in the healthcare profession, but you see my broader point. People elect to get the flu shot, or not. It’s up to them, not the government or some unelected and uneducated public health people.
Yep. Covid is different because they used the emergency pandemic situation to scare people and try to force mandates, which was probably a planned operation from the start as a way to create a crisis and get rid of Trump. If Hillary had been president it may have all come down differently.
The CDC had this pandemic lockdown plan on the books since 2006. (We can thank Bush for that.) Why didn’t they implement it for the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic? Maybe because they knew it would wreck the economy and didn’t want to rock the boat while their man was in office.
Post by: Rush on February 13, 2022, 08:10:04 AM
Pope Tony along with the CEO's of Pfizer and Moderna believe this to be the idea. After all, the vaccines are "safe and effective".
Just ask them.
It’s VERY effective at making the drug companies rich(er).
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 13, 2022, 08:40:08 AM
These people think we are stupid, or we don’t have short-term memory any more. But that’s not possible in today’s tech world, where everything is recorded for posterity.Fuck those fucking fuckers.
They need to grow the fuck up. Admit they failed, apologize, and maybe we can move on. But they won’t of course. They are saying now that the SCIENCE changed. Fucking fuckers.
Post by: Anthony on February 13, 2022, 09:34:27 AM
Fuck those fucking fuckers.
Fuck! :)
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 13, 2022, 10:04:56 AM
"Clinical Severity and mRNA Vaccine Effectiveness for Omicron, Delta, and Alpha SARS-CoV-2 Variants in the United States: A Prospective Observational Study"
Full text here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.06.22270558v1 (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.02.06.22270558v1)
Objectives To characterize the clinical severity of COVID-19 caused by Omicron, Delta, and Alpha SARS-CoV-2 variants among hospitalized adults and to compare the effectiveness of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines to prevent hospitalizations caused by each variant.
Design A case-control study of 11,690 hospitalized adults.
Setting Twenty-one hospitals across the United States.
....
Conclusions mRNA vaccines were highly effective in preventing COVID-19-associated hospitalizations from Alpha, Delta, and Omicron variants, but three vaccine doses were required to achieve protection against Omicron similar to the protection that two doses provided against Delta and Alpha. Among adults hospitalized with COVID-19, Omicron caused less severe disease than Delta, but still resulted in substantial morbidity and mortality. Vaccinated patients hospitalized with COVID-19 had significantly lower disease severity than unvaccinated patients for all the variants.
Post by: nddons on February 13, 2022, 10:22:12 AM
“Among adults hospitalized with COVID-19, Omicron caused less severe disease than Delta, but still resulted in substantial morbidity and mortality.”
What does “substantial morbidity and mortality” mean if symptoms are less severe?
Post by: Rush on February 13, 2022, 10:35:50 AM
This quote makes no sense given the rest of the conclusions on Omicron.
“Among adults hospitalized with COVID-19, Omicron caused less severe disease than Delta, but still resulted in substantial morbidity and mortality.”
What does “substantial morbidity and mortality” mean if symptoms are less severe?
They are talking about on average. The whole bell curve is shifted but there is still morbidity and mortality at the tail. Albeit less but they couldn't help themselves and still called it "substantial".
What we really need to know is the underlying conditions of the hospitalized, and how vaccination effect is related to underlying conditions and comorbidities.
For example, if you are young, healthy with no comorbidity or underlying condition and are not obese, does being vaccinated have ANY effect on mortality? Or is it statistically insignificant.
They keep shying away from the reality of this disease and the proper approach. Lose weight, quit smoking, get vitamin D, exercise and eat healthy. Wash hands and stay away from symptomatic people. If you want the vaccine discuss it with your doctor and make your choice based on your own risk factors.
That is ALL the covid measures the CDC should recommend we follow. Period end of story.
Post by: bflynn on February 13, 2022, 02:15:16 PM
We keep getting the flu shot without protest because there is no need to protest. No one is getting forced to get the flu shot. Everyone who gets it is doing so on their own free will.
Most people do not get the flu shot.
Post by: elwood blues on February 13, 2022, 03:27:43 PM
... a planned operation from the start as a way to create a crisis and get rid of Trump.
I have been saying that from the beginning. We all now know that the swamp started working on defeating Trump in 2020 before he even took office, assuming of course, they hadn't already gotten rid of him.
If Hillary had been president it may have all come down differently.
Absolutely. It would have been a big nothing, just like the Swine and Avian Flu.
Post by: nddons on February 13, 2022, 08:50:21 PM
Most people do not get the flu shot.Thanks King of the Obvious. I didn’t say they did. Way to miss the point.
Post by: Mr Pou on February 14, 2022, 06:04:57 AM
For example, if you are young, healthy with no comorbidity or underlying condition and are not obese
*Every* person that I know who's had a hard go of it with covid was older, obese, and inactive. You'd think this would be a wakeup call to some to get off their butts and get moving, but too many still want to rely on wonder drugs and magic fixes.
Post by: Little Joe on February 14, 2022, 07:05:42 AM
*Every* person that I know who's had a hard go of it with covid was older, obese, and inactive. You'd think this would be a wakeup call to some to get off their butts and get moving, but too many still want to rely on wonder drugs and magic fixes.I love wonder drugs and magic fixes.
But I also love working really hard on my property. That is how I broke my foot. Can't wait to get back out there again soon.
Post by: Rush on February 14, 2022, 07:16:57 AM
I love wonder drugs and magic fixes.
But I also love working really hard on my property. That is how I broke my foot. Can't wait to get back out there again soon.
When you get to a certain age exercise isn’t the answer. As you found out, bones are weaker. You get arthritis, muscle mass decreases, your heart is less efficient, etc. At that point the goal of exercise should be to maintain joint mobility and preserve what muscle mass and bone density you do have, not huge calorie expenditure. In fact there is an association between extreme exercise and sudden cardiac failure.
The answer to obesity is what you eat. Activity is not for weight loss but to maintain function.
Post by: Mr Pou on February 14, 2022, 07:23:52 AM
The answer to obesity is what you eat. Activity is not for weight loss but to maintain function.
I do mainly moderate body weight exercises combined with a good amount of stretching these days. My days of hitting weights at the gym or running long distances are out. I'm hoping that moderate eating, the body weight exercices, stretching, and some bicycling will keep me going.
But, a while back I needed to use Dr Bruce's services to obtain an SI, and i remember his quote "You are healthy until you are not." Simplistic, but basically the truth. No matter what you do, at some point you're going to be unhealthy.
Post by: Little Joe on February 14, 2022, 07:26:00 AM
When you get to a certain age exercise isn’t the answer. As you found out, bones are weaker. You get arthritis, muscle mass decreases, your heart is less efficient, etc. At that point the goal of exercise should be to maintain joint mobility and preserve what muscle mass and bone density you do have, not huge calorie expenditure. In fact there is an association between extreme exercise and sudden cardiac failure.In that case, I'm back to wonder drugs and magic fixes because I love to eat. I DO eat very healthy stuff. Just too much. But I'll probably give that up when I die.
The answer to obesity is what you eat. Activity is not for weight loss but to maintain function.
I don't work on the property for the exercise, although I do get a lot of exercise that way. I do it because I enjoy it and I feel like it does keep me moving and flexible.
Post by: Anthony on February 14, 2022, 07:55:50 AM
When you get to a certain age exercise isn’t the answer. As you found out, bones are weaker. You get arthritis, muscle mass decreases, your heart is less efficient, etc. At that point the goal of exercise should be to maintain joint mobility and preserve what muscle mass and bone density you do have, not huge calorie expenditure. In fact there is an association between extreme exercise and sudden cardiac failure.
The answer to obesity is what you eat. Activity is not for weight loss but to maintain function.
What age is that? 124? No, you can be old, or older and still be in great shape, have lean muscle and good cardio. The number one way to stay fit though is EAT LESS. A LOT LESS.
Portion control and better choices. Skip meals, etc.
Post by: Rush on February 14, 2022, 08:00:54 AM
I do mainly moderate body weight exercises combined with a good amount of stretching these days. My days of hitting weights at the gym or running long distances are out. I'm hoping that moderate eating, the body weight exercices, stretching, and some bicycling will keep me going.
But, a while back I needed to use Dr Bruce's services to obtain an SI, and i remember his quote "You are healthy until you are not." Simplistic, but basically the truth. No matter what you do, at some point you're going to be unhealthy.
My mom is 95. Just now she is becoming unable to walk even with her walker, so we are in the process of getting a wheelchair. We’re taking her to the doctor to see if there’s anything he can do to fix her “knee that keeps buckling” but we have to face the eventual inevitability. All of us will get there.
Post by: Rush on February 14, 2022, 08:08:49 AM
What age is that? 124? No, you can be old, or older and still be in great shape, have lean muscle and good cardio. The number one way to stay fit though is EAT LESS. A LOT LESS.
Portion control and better choices. Skip meals, etc.
Agree with the eating. But lean muscle and good cardio and ability to work out depend a very great deal on what genetic cards you were dealt. Also your hormones. Low testosterone will make it hard to maintain muscle mass and all you do by exercising is get strains and sprains. And broken bones. Arthritic joints can make it physically impossible to exercise. Environmental factors we don’t even fully understand play into it. We used to think osteoarthritis was caused by using joints too much… they “wear out”. But actually it might be caused by our diet. Too many grains and not enough collagen. We evolved to gnaw on bones and tendons, suck the marrow out, and eat animal organs. Yet when we do eat meat these days we stick to only lean muscle. No wonder our joints give out. We don’t eat the gristle in our meat.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 14, 2022, 08:13:41 AM
My mom is 95. Just now she is becoming unable to walk even with her walker, so we are in the process of getting a wheelchair. We’re taking her to the doctor to see if there’s anything he can do to fix her “knee that keeps buckling” but we have to face the eventual inevitability. All of us will get there.
If you aren’t familiar with the different types of chairs, consider a transport chair in addition to the regular chair with large wheels
Post by: Rush on February 14, 2022, 08:33:48 AM
If you aren’t familiar with the different types of chairs, consider a transport chair in addition to the regular chair with large wheels
Yep, I just got off the phone with the medical supply store. That’s exactly what they recommend. I’m thinking a small transport chair to keep in the car and another with wheels she can roll herself in the house. They’re cheap on Amazon and can be delivered day after tomorrow.
Post by: nddons on February 14, 2022, 08:41:38 AM
Agree with the eating. But lean muscle and good cardio and ability to work out depend a very great deal on what genetic cards you were dealt. Also your hormones. Low testosterone will make it hard to maintain muscle mass and all you do by exercising is get strains and sprains. And broken bones. Arthritic joints can make it physically impossible to exercise. Environmental factors we don’t even fully understand play into it. We used to think osteoarthritis was caused by using joints too much… they “wear out”. But actually it might be caused by our diet. Too many grains and not enough collagen. We evolved to gnaw on bones and tendons, suck the marrow out, and eat animal organs. Yet when we do eat meat these days we stick to only lean muscle. No wonder our joints give out. We don’t eat the gristle in our meat.My HS shot put coach taught me to jump rope. Jumping rope was a big part of my cardio workout until about 15 years ago. I’m certain if I tried that today at 62, my Achilles’ tendon would rupture and roll straight up into my calf muscle.
Post by: Rush on February 14, 2022, 09:31:40 AM
My HS shot put coach taught me to jump rope. Jumping rope was a big part of my cardio workout until about 15 years ago. I’m certain if I tried that today at 62, my Achilles’ tendon would rupture and roll straight up into my calf muscle.
I used to do martial arts. If I tried a roundhouse kick now I would probably fracture a hip.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 14, 2022, 09:36:04 AM
Yep, I just got off the phone with the medical supply store. That’s exactly what they recommend. I’m thinking a small transport chair to keep in the car and another with wheels she can roll herself in the house. They’re cheap on Amazon and can be delivered day after tomorrow.
actually, using a transport chair around the house made it easier for my mom, easier than the bigger chair... so, maybe one in the house and one in the car (rather than going back and forth with it).
Post by: Rush on February 14, 2022, 11:03:54 AM
actually, using a transport chair around the house made it easier for my mom, easier than the bigger chair... so, maybe one in the house and one in the car (rather than going back and forth with it).
I'm thinking something like this for the house. Still small and lightweight but with a wheel she can push herself around.
https://www.amazon.com/Drive-Medical-Streak-Wheelchair-Footrests/dp/B002VWK1TA/ref=sr_1_9?crid=2OALQ84GJLI54&keywords=transport+wheelchair&qid=1644861675&sprefix=transport%2Caps%2C225&sr=8-9
And this for the car:
https://www.amazon.com/Medline-Lightweight-Transport-Wheelchair-Handbrakes/dp/B007WA1ZG4/ref=sr_1_5?crid=2OALQ84GJLI54&keywords=transport+wheelchair&qid=1644861790&sprefix=transport%2Caps%2C225&sr=8-5
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 14, 2022, 11:22:49 AM
I'm thinking something like this for the house. Still small and lightweight but with a wheel she can push herself around.
https://www.amazon.com/Drive-Medical-Streak-Wheelchair-Footrests/dp/B002VWK1TA/ref=sr_1_9?crid=2OALQ84GJLI54&keywords=transport+wheelchair&qid=1644861675&sprefix=transport%2Caps%2C225&sr=8-9
And this for the car:
https://www.amazon.com/Medline-Lightweight-Transport-Wheelchair-Handbrakes/dp/B007WA1ZG4/ref=sr_1_5?crid=2OALQ84GJLI54&keywords=transport+wheelchair&qid=1644861790&sprefix=transport%2Caps%2C225&sr=8-5
Those look nice. The handbrake on the transport chair is a nice touch.
Post by: Anthony on February 14, 2022, 12:20:55 PM
Agree with the eating. But lean muscle and good cardio and ability to work out depend a very great deal on what genetic cards you were dealt. Also your hormones. Low testosterone will make it hard to maintain muscle mass and all you do by exercising is get strains and sprains. And broken bones. Arthritic joints can make it physically impossible to exercise. Environmental factors we don’t even fully understand play into it. We used to think osteoarthritis was caused by using joints too much… they “wear out”. But actually it might be caused by our diet. Too many grains and not enough collagen. We evolved to gnaw on bones and tendons, suck the marrow out, and eat animal organs. Yet when we do eat meat these days we stick to only lean muscle. No wonder our joints give out. We don’t eat the gristle in our meat.
Genetics plays a big part but often we are our own worst enemy. I admit, I am fortunate, but I also work at it daily. I deny myself a lot of things that most others eat and drink and in portions that make you feel satisfied. However, I've never liked to over eat nor feel "full". It just makes me uncomfortable which is probably a good thing.
Staying single also helps as there is no pressure to have regular meals nor please someone else's tastes and portions. I rarely eat dinner anymore and if I do it's very small, healthy stuff.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 14, 2022, 08:51:17 PM
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1493366949790707717?s=20&t=KzHzXR9h3ySC1sncmtS80w
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2022, 03:19:44 AM
This is beyond fucked up.....
https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1493366949790707717?s=20&t=KzHzXR9h3ySC1sncmtS80w
Agreed, It's all about inflicting pain.
Post by: Rush on February 15, 2022, 05:39:24 AM
Agreed, It's all about inflicting pain.
Yep.
Except not only are they psychopathic sadists, they are pedo psychopathic sadists.
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2022, 07:15:00 AM
Post by: Little Joe on February 19, 2022, 07:21:08 AM
Post by: Number7 on February 19, 2022, 08:01:13 AM
Excellent. I loved the spousal abuse analogy.
Liberalism has always had, as part of its core, the obsession with pedophilia and child abuse.
Abortion is the ultimate child abuse and liberals bathe in the glow of getting away with genocide
of the unborn and recently born.
Abusing children with the paper pacifier is nothing but another step up the ladder of returning to the old
english standard of sex slaves for perverted parents.
Why else would the country turn a blind eye to the pederast harry reid and baby raper chuck schumer?
How come we can read the names of every person who donated to the truckers in seconds gleefully
media provided by the fifth column, but can't get the names in jeffrey epstein's little black book?
bill clinton was on the passenger manifests to epstein's pedo island something like 32 times, but nobody
cares because he is pro abortion.
Why is abortion so all consuming to liberals? because liberals get off on hurting people who cant fight back.
Why is that? because liberals are all fucking bullies and like EVERY bully, what they really are is a bunch of pathetic cowards.
Post by: Username on February 19, 2022, 08:21:27 AM
White: 280,000 Black:295,000 Hispanic: 195,000 Other: 77,000
Post by: Lucifer on February 19, 2022, 09:04:31 AM
It's clear that democrats hate blacks.
Uh……..you mean the party of pro slavery, anti civil rights who organized hate groups to lynch blacks who desired rights???
The same party that fought vigorously against civil rights?
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2022, 09:25:39 AM
It's clear that democrats hate blacks. They want them dependent and subdued. They want their population small, and the best way is by abortion. Despite being only 10% of the population, nearly one third of all abortions were to blacks. Another third to the democrat's other favorite group, the hispanics. In 2017: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/usa_abortion_by_race.html
White: 280,000 Black:295,000 Hispanic: 195,000 Other: 77,000
Hmmmm interesting graphs. Look at the overall trends in the last ten years. Both live births and abortions are going down for most groups and abortions have plummeted since 1990, most steeply among whites but also declining among blacks. This means people are getting better at using birth control because there’s no concurrent rise in live births.
This is a concerning early warning sign, not good. On the other hand, trying to address the looming population collapse by banning abortion could lead to unintended consequences like what happened in Romania, although that disaster was enabled by other communist policies, such as expecting a woman to work full time as well as carry all pregnancies to term. (The disaster was horrible overcrowded orphanages with unwanted children “living” in deplorable abusive neglectful conditions.)
I see both sides of the debate when it comes to blacks. Yes, abortion amounts to genocide of blacks, so it’s racist, at least that was Sanger’s initial goal. But Democrats today (at least up until Blexit) I wouldn’t think would want to decrease black voters, on the contrary. They do want to keep them dependent but perhaps since urban city hellholes are already guaranteed blue voters, maybe you’re right, they don’t need to encourage them to reproduce even more. (Yet they still give them more money for having more kids out of wedlock.)
On the individual level, abortion bans are racist, from the standpoint of this: An abortion decision is made by an individual woman. If more black women than white women are denied this decision, then blacks are affected disproportionately.
So both abortion and abortion bans can be argued as racist against blacks.
Now let’s look at the facts. The majority of abortions are done because the woman isn’t in a financial position to raise a child. This alone largely explains why blacks have more abortions. They are still economically disadvantaged on average. Some are simply too young yet. But some remain poor well into adulthood. Why? I submit largely because of economic policies that destroy jobs, and destroy the nuclear family.
Many women who have abortions want children, but are unmarried and/or do not have financial stability. The solution is: We need to return to a culture promoting the nuclear family; a man and a woman, and a healthy national economy that provides employment and business opportunities.
Liberal emphasis on feminism (we don’t need no stinking man!) and gender confusion (sexual dimorphism is out!) is exactly the wrong approach.
Post by: Username on February 19, 2022, 09:45:29 AM
Hmmmm interesting graphs. Look at the overall trends in the last ten years. Both live births and abortions are going down for most groups and abortions have plummeted since 1990, most steeply among whites but also declining among blacks. This means people are getting better at using birth control because there’s no concurrent rise in live births.Not only getting better birth control but also delaying having children. That can decrease the total number of births. That along with the baby boom passing out of child making age, there is quite a decrease.
This is a concerning early warning sign, not good. On the other hand, trying to address the looming population collapse by banning abortion could lead to unintended consequences like what happened in Romania, although that disaster was enabled by other communist policies, such as expecting a woman to work full time as well as carry all pregnancies to term. (The disaster was horrible overcrowded orphanages with unwanted children “living” in deplorable abusive neglectful conditions.)
But can you expand on this being bad? I would think that fewer people is a good thing. Other than fewer earners reloading the government teat. But then again, I really don't like people. Persons are good, people are generally not good.
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2022, 10:26:10 AM
Not only getting better birth control but also delaying having children. That can decrease the total number of births. That along with the baby boom passing out of child making age, there is quite a decrease.
But can you expand on this being bad? I would think that fewer people is a good thing. Other than fewer earners reloading the government teat. But then again, I really don't like people. Persons are good, people are generally not good.
Agree with your last sentence.
Still bad because we are now below replacement rate and still declining every year. We don’t know where the bottom is. Aside from not enough young people to support old people, there will be problems such as declining real estate values because housing isn’t needed. And this trend is spreading globally which means trade markets shrink. If it stabilizes somewhere that would be okay but there are no signs yet of that happening. Ultimately it will lead to the extinction of the human race. Not a problem many people are concerned with right now, but exactly where we are headed if you extrapolate the current trend.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 19, 2022, 11:58:45 AM
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2022, 12:25:49 PM
Meanwhile, guess what the Muslim population is doing.
And Mormons, lol!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 19, 2022, 12:58:13 PM
And Mormons, lol!Not sure Mormons want to cut peoples heads off.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on February 19, 2022, 01:24:45 PM
Next to the 2020 US election, Covid is the biggest scam ever perpetuated.
The latter was the input, the former is the result.
Post by: Little Joe on February 19, 2022, 02:28:13 PM
The latter was the input, the former is the result.Even bigger than man-made-climate-change?
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2022, 02:31:39 PM
Not sure Mormons want to cut peoples heads off.
No but most Muslims don’t either. A lot of south of the border Hispanics do, and they’re Christian, at least in name only. I have a bee in my bonnet about that because Biden is importing that shit into the U.S. I am starting to become aware of how the media played up Islamic terrorist beheadings to keep us supporting war in the Mideast while completely ignoring any mention of VERY COMMON beheadings, usually after dismembering your limbs while you’re conscious, or cutting open your chest and pulling out your heart, that Mexican and Brazilian gangs do.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 21, 2022, 08:46:36 PM
More evidence of the potential for a red wave.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 22, 2022, 04:58:44 AM
https://twitter.com/graciefacelove/status/1495921329337470985 (https://twitter.com/graciefacelove/status/1495921329337470985)
More evidence of the potential for a red wave.
beware the red menace...
Post by: Lucifer on February 24, 2022, 06:46:50 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 25, 2022, 05:57:00 PM
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/community-levels.html
we went from high community transmission to low in the blink of an eye...
of course, there are still people that cling to the magic cloth.
Post by: jb1842 on February 28, 2022, 06:47:48 AM
https://www.ready.gov/nuclear-explosion
Post by: Rush on February 28, 2022, 07:42:40 AM
Just in case of nuclear war....social distance and wear your mask.
https://www.ready.gov/nuclear-explosion
That HAS to be Babylon Bee.... no? It's a serious government site? I'm gobsmacked. In a nuclear holocaust I'm sure you're worrying about whether you'll get the sniffles next week.
Covidiocy is a mentally deranged cult.
Post by: jb1842 on February 28, 2022, 08:30:43 AM
That HAS to be Babylon Bee.... no? It's a serious government site? I'm gobsmacked. In a nuclear holocaust I'm sure you're worrying about whether you'll get the sniffles next week.
Covidiocy is a mentally deranged cult.
Just further proof the government cares more about pushing an agenda than actually caring about the safety and welfare of it's citizens.
Post by: bflynn on February 28, 2022, 03:04:15 PM
Just in case of nuclear war....social distance and wear your mask.
https://www.ready.gov/nuclear-explosion
In this case, a mask can legitimately do some good. But you have to be smart about it.
There are 3 major types of radiation - alpha and beta are the particles, they get on things and can be spread from place to place. They're both surface contamination with beta being able to radiate through the skin while alpha has to get inside. Gamma and other higher frequency types (like x-rays) are the rays that you typically think of as radiation.
Alpha and beta particles ride on dirt and dust. It's important to avoid those because once they get inside, you can't get rid of them, they just sit there and radiate you until you get cancer and die. So a mask can help trap the stuff which is carrying the radiation because it's on material that the mask can trap and filter. But, once you're in a clear area, you will probably want to take the mask off and avoid rebreathing anything more. Rinse your face with a wet cloth and wipe away from any openings - away from your eyes, nose and mouth. Eventually you'll need a full shower at a decomm facility with some very uncomfortable scrubbing and cleaning, but it might save your life. There is a level of radiation that scientist believe is below the level to be able to cause damage and that's the ultimate goal.
Gamma - you just move away and it stops. A high burst of gamma radiation can cause enough damage to kill you, usually within a few days. There's not much you can do and you might not even realize it happened immediately.
The point is - a mask can help with filtering out the stuff that is carrying radioactive surface contamination. It's legitimate.
Or don't wear one, it's your choice. It's not like particles will kill you immediately, it will take a few years
Post by: Rush on February 28, 2022, 03:12:03 PM
In this case, a mask can legitimately do some good. But you have to be smart about it.
There are 3 major types of radiation - alpha and beta are the particles, they get on things and can be spread from place to place. They're both surface contamination with beta being able to radiate through the skin while alpha has to get inside. Gamma and other higher frequency types (like x-rays) are the rays that you typically think of as radiation.
Alpha and beta particles ride on dirt and dust. It's important to avoid those because once they get inside, you can't get rid of them, they just sit there and radiate you until you get cancer and die. So a mask can help trap the stuff which is carrying the radiation because it's on material that the mask can trap and filter. But, once you're in a clear area, you will probably want to take the mask off and avoid rebreathing anything more. Rinse your face with a wet cloth and wipe away from any openings - away from your eyes, nose and mouth. Eventually you'll need a full shower at a decomm facility with some very uncomfortable scrubbing and cleaning, but it might save your life. There is a level of radiation that scientist believe is below the level to be able to cause damage and that's the ultimate goal.
Gamma - you just move away and it stops. A high burst of gamma radiation can cause enough damage to kill you, usually within a few days. There's not much you can do and you might not even realize it happened immediately.
The point is - a mask can help with filtering out the stuff that is carrying radioactive surface contamination. It's legitimate.
Or don't wear one, it's your choice. It's not like particles will kill you immediately, it will take a few years
Yeah but the government advice about masks has nothing to do with radioactive dust. Otherwise it wouldn’t say wear a mask only if you’re around people you don’t live with.
Post by: Little Joe on February 28, 2022, 03:20:09 PM
In this case, a mask can legitimately do some good. But you have to be smart about it.Oh, so you are pro-mask mandate! You fagot liberal pussy.
There are 3 major types of radiation - alpha and beta are the particles, they get on things and can be spread from place to place. They're both surface contamination with beta being able to radiate through the skin while alpha has to get inside. Gamma and other higher frequency types (like x-rays) are the rays that you typically think of as radiation.
Alpha and beta particles ride on dirt and dust. It's important to avoid those because once they get inside, you can't get rid of them, they just sit there and radiate you until you get cancer and die. So a mask can help trap the stuff which is carrying the radiation because it's on material that the mask can trap and filter. But, once you're in a clear area, you will probably want to take the mask off and avoid rebreathing anything more. Rinse your face with a wet cloth and wipe away from any openings - away from your eyes, nose and mouth. Eventually you'll need a full shower at a decomm facility with some very uncomfortable scrubbing and cleaning, but it might save your life. There is a level of radiation that scientist believe is below the level to be able to cause damage and that's the ultimate goal.
Gamma - you just move away and it stops. A high burst of gamma radiation can cause enough damage to kill you, usually within a few days. There's not much you can do and you might not even realize it happened immediately.
The point is - a mask can help with filtering out the stuff that is carrying radioactive surface contamination. It's legitimate.
Or don't wear one, it's your choice. It's not like particles will kill you immediately, it will take a few years
(I think I'm getting the hang of this now).
Post by: bflynn on February 28, 2022, 04:00:41 PM
Yeah but the government advice about masks has nothing to do with radioactive dust. Otherwise it wouldn’t say wear a mask only if you’re around people you don’t live with.
"If possible, wear a mask if you’re sheltering with people who are not a part of your household."
It makes complete sense. You don't know what they might have brought in unless you have your own geiger counter. Although, staying just 6' away is pretty silly. It's more like "don't go to the same places in the house as another person. Everyone should go to their corner and stay away from everyone else and not wander.
Ultimately though, if you're in a fallout zone some people aren't going to be prepared for a long term wait. If it doesn't rain much where you are, I would not count on the government to come save me, they'e more likely blockading the roads to keep you in.
Post by: nddons on February 28, 2022, 04:38:48 PM
That HAS to be Babylon Bee.... no? It's a serious government site? I'm gobsmacked. In a nuclear holocaust I'm sure you're worrying about whether you'll get the sniffles next week.Oh Dear God.
Covidiocy is a mentally deranged cult.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 28, 2022, 04:42:17 PM
"If possible, wear a mask if you’re sheltering with people who are not a part of your household."
It makes complete sense. You don't know what they might have brought in unless you have your own geiger counter. Although, staying just 6' away is pretty silly. It's more like "don't go to the same places in the house as another person. Everyone should go to their corner and stay away from everyone else and not wander.
Ultimately though, if you're in a fallout zone some people aren't going to be prepared for a long term wait. If it doesn't rain much where you are, I would not count on the government to come save me, they'e more likely blockading the roads to keep you in.
what were the processes/procedures if there were radiation leaks on the boat? Mask or no mask? "social distance"?
Post by: Rush on February 28, 2022, 06:37:34 PM
"If possible, wear a mask if you’re sheltering with people who are not a part of your household."
It makes complete sense. You don't know what they might have brought in unless you have your own geiger counter. Although, staying just 6' away is pretty silly. It's more like "don't go to the same places in the house as another person. Everyone should go to their corner and stay away from everyone else and not wander.
Ultimately though, if you're in a fallout zone some people aren't going to be prepared for a long term wait. If it doesn't rain much where you are, I would not count on the government to come save me, they'e more likely blockading the roads to keep you in.
Geiger counter? They’re not saying mask up because of radiation, they’re talking about covid. Are you being sarcastic?
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on February 28, 2022, 06:40:57 PM
Covidiocy is a mentally deranged cult.
It was quite striking.
Post by: Rush on February 28, 2022, 07:33:05 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/to-protect-against-nuclear-fallout-dr-fauci-recommends-wearing-three-masks
WASHINGTON, D.C.—Beloved health expert Dr. Fauci has made his way into the spotlight again—this time with new recommendations for keeping safe during a nuclear strike should Putin do the unthinkable.
"Should we face a catastrophic nuclear war scenario, it's important to stay protected from all the nuclear fallout," said Fauci in his trademark Fauci voice. "To keep all the nuclear fallout out of your nose and mouth, you should probably wear at least three masks. Maybe even four masks. The science isn't clear right now. But I would say at least three masks. Maybe four or five though, just to be safe. Actually, maybe six. And another one over your eyes too."
Fauci went on to explain that proper social distancing will also be essential, as it will prevent your nuclear fallout from jumping to another person. "Ideally, everyone should probably have their own personal fallout shelter just to maintain proper distancing," he said.
Fauci assured everyone that if they follow the science by listening to his every command, "they will be ok. Probably. But also maybe probably not."
In unrelated news, the NIH has approved $12 million in funding for experiments on irradiated mutant creatures.
Post by: bflynn on March 01, 2022, 01:33:26 AM
what were the processes/procedures if there were radiation leaks on the boat? Mask or no mask? "social distance"?
Stay out of the area. Ventilation shut down. Masks until the air is clear. Isolate yourself and don’t move around (don’t spread it). Monitoring and decomm.
Of course, our masks were full face coverings with a negative flow air supply.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on March 02, 2022, 04:09:41 PM
CDC estimates there have been more than 140 million COVID-19 infections in the US - nearly DOUBLE official figure of 74 million
So even if you believe 800K have died DUE TO CV19, the death rate is 0.57%, right in line with the flu.
Funny how CDC released this now, when anyone with half a brain figured this out two years ago.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 02, 2022, 08:12:29 PM
Stay out of the area. Ventilation shut down. Masks until the air is clear. Isolate yourself and don’t move around (don’t spread it). Monitoring and decomm.
Of course, our masks were full face coverings with a negative flow air supply.
Youtube seemed to think I'd be interested in this:
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 02, 2022, 08:43:41 PM
140,000,000 case and 950,000 deaths. Do the math.
Post by: Rush on March 03, 2022, 06:10:39 AM
Youtube seemed to think I'd be interested in this:
I spent my childhood fearing nuclear bombs. I’m not fucking with it now. I hope it lands directly on my head.
Post by: Lucifer on March 03, 2022, 06:22:25 AM
Not a peep.
Post by: Anthony on March 03, 2022, 06:23:40 AM
Has anyone else noticed that Pope Tony has disappeared?
Not a peep.
Yes. He no longer FITS THE NARRATIVE. The LEFT are just plain liars and scum.
Post by: Rush on March 03, 2022, 06:27:34 AM
Has anyone else noticed that Pope Tony has disappeared?
Not a peep.
It’s because the pandemic is over. St. Joe saved us. Sure we still need to wear masks but don’t think about that, just do it. It’s your reminder that you’re no longer free and next time Fed Gov says jump you do it without question. Besides, it’s fun to torture little kids.
Post by: Lucifer on March 03, 2022, 06:40:34 AM
Poor Pope Tony...........sitting at home......no offers for TV interviews.....no newspapers calling wanting his devine wisdom.
Post by: Rush on March 03, 2022, 06:59:36 AM
But what will the Branch Covidians do????? Who will they seek out for devine guidance???
Poor Pope Tony...........sitting at home......no offers for TV interviews.....no newspapers calling wanting his devine wisdom.
He served his purpose. Wearing masks is now second nature. They no longer need Pope Tony reinforcing it. I am absolutely appalled to see Ukrainian soldiers, or U.S. soldiers deployed to Europe, all lined up outside wearing stupid face diapers.
Post by: Lucifer on March 03, 2022, 07:01:13 AM
He served his purpose. Wearing masks is now second nature. They no longer need Pope Tony reinforcing it. I am absolutely appalled to see Ukrainian soldiers, or U.S. soldiers deployed to Europe, all lined up outside wearing stupid face diapers.
I still see people driving, alone, wearing the compliance diaper. In the grocery store we still have a few walking around with their diapers.
It's now a cult.
Post by: Rush on March 03, 2022, 08:01:23 AM
I still see people driving, alone, wearing the compliance diaper. In the grocery store we still have a few walking around with their diapers.
It's now a cult.
Yes it is. A talisman, an ornament, an accessory. No function whatsoever except to reduce your airflow and increase rebreathing your own mix of pathogens. I guess it helps hide your identity if you want to evade the law.
2019: Walk into a bank wearing a mask, everyone panics and fears you.
2021: Walk into a bank without wearing a mask, everyone panics and fears you.
Post by: Username on March 03, 2022, 08:10:31 AM
Poor Pope Tony...........sitting at home......no offers for TV interviews.....no newspapers calling wanting his devine wisdom.Counting his millions from pharma stock. I'm sure that he's destined to be on several pharma board of directors.
Post by: Anthony on March 03, 2022, 08:30:08 AM
I still see people driving, alone, wearing the compliance diaper. In the grocery store we still have a few walking around with their diapers.
It's now a cult.
A cult of Idiotic MORONS. We are no longer FORCED to wear masks at work. It is now voluntary. Yet, some still wear them. I've essentially told two I know that they are complete and utter fools and brainwashed idiots.
Post by: Rush on March 03, 2022, 08:35:05 AM
A cult of Idiotic MORONS. We are no longer FORCED to wear masks at work. It is now voluntary. Yet, some still wear them. I've essentially told two I know that they are complete and utter fools and brainwashed idiots.
Where my husband works they still have to wear a mask indoors and outdoors if less than six feet apart. I asked him if everyone complies and he says “in theory….”
Meanwhile my doctor told me on Monday that we have almost no new cases in our area and the few we do get are mild colds. However, he also has one clinic left that will do monoclonal antibodies if I get it and want them.
Post by: Mr Pou on March 03, 2022, 08:45:01 AM
A cult of Idiotic MORONS. We are no longer FORCED to wear masks at work. It is now voluntary. Yet, some still wear them. I've essentially told two I know that they are complete and utter fools and brainwashed idiots.
We are still forced. 71 days and counting...
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 03, 2022, 09:32:33 AM
Quote
Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine converts to DNA inside human liver cells, according to new study
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-converts-dna-inside-human-liver-cells-according?fbclid=IwAR0TOvHHPy2xne2L6-WE-acP-Tpo4l2iDGHBhI4H4la-_LYcW_K9cOOILJA
Post by: nddons on March 03, 2022, 09:43:36 AM
It’s because the pandemic is over. St. Joe saved us. Sure we still need to wear masks but don’t think about that, just do it. It’s your reminder that you’re no longer free and next time Fed Gov says jump you do it without question. Besides, it’s fun to torture little kids.Remember, you can’t build a wall to keep out the vaccine, you know, to help the virus, and remember Biden brought in more pills than anybody. Come on, Man! Didn’t you see his speech where all this was laid out in complete clarity?
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/SWoRKslHVtqEasqYCJ/giphy.gif)
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 03, 2022, 10:12:37 AM
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-converts-dna-inside-human-liver-cells-according?fbclid=IwAR0TOvHHPy2xne2L6-WE-acP-Tpo4l2iDGHBhI4H4la-_LYcW_K9cOOILJA
Meh.
An earlier study detected DNA sequences that appeared to be reverse transcribed from the viral RNA:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33958444/ (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33958444/)
So in the case of the vaccine, only the RNA sequence for the spike protein would get reverse transcribed into the DNA, while for a person who gets infected the entire viral RNA could get reverse transcribed. The latter would in theory be much worse than having just the spike protein instructions in the DNA.
Lastly, but most importantly, both studies were performed in vitro, not in vivo. If a cell inside a body starts expressing any of the virus proteins, whether from RNA or by way of reverse-transcribed nuclear DNA, the immune system would attack that cell regardless of origin of the foreign proteins.
TL;DR:
(1) Reverse transcription of viral RNA into nuclear DNA could happen with either the vaccine or the virus, so you're screwed either way if this is a concern.
(2) The studies are in vitro, meaning the entire apparatus of a body's immune system is absent, so test tube compromised cells that express any of the viral proteins would be unlikely to survive in a body.
Post by: Lucifer on March 08, 2022, 06:21:12 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 10, 2022, 10:34:22 AM
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/transit-mask-mandate-extend/2022/03/10/id/1060576/
Post by: Rush on March 10, 2022, 11:23:11 AM
More idiocy.
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/transit-mask-mandate-extend/2022/03/10/id/1060576/
Quote
“We have to look not only at the science with regard to transmission in masks but also the epidemiology and the frequency that we may encounter a variant of concern or a variant of interest in our travel corridors,” CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said on March 2, explaining why the agency was delaying removing the requirement for transit but allowed people to gather maskless in movie theaters and sports arenas.
Oh we COULD MAYBE encounter a new variant.
This is such horseshit. The entire CDC needs to be disbanded, all of them fired. Let them actually work for a living instead of spending their days inventing reasons to continue this hell they’ve caused. Literally caused. From their GoF research in China to their lockdown and masking guidelines. They should be tried and convicted of crimes against humanity.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 10, 2022, 12:33:39 PM
More idiocy.Gotta give the CDC time to make a reason to make the mandate permanent. ::)
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/transit-mask-mandate-extend/2022/03/10/id/1060576/ (https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/transit-mask-mandate-extend/2022/03/10/id/1060576/)
Post by: Mr Pou on March 10, 2022, 12:55:41 PM
Post by: Lucifer on March 11, 2022, 07:16:19 AM
And this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10600721/Moderna-approves-golden-parachute-CEO-worth-926-MILLION-event-hes-replaced.html
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 11, 2022, 09:41:19 AM
Post by: Rush on March 13, 2022, 06:59:44 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 13, 2022, 07:11:46 AM
Another 12 months or so we will begin seeing more and more problems emerging. Another reason to ramp up a war in Europe. :o
Post by: Anthony on March 13, 2022, 09:22:11 AM
.
I would have gone directly from Start to drinking alone in the closet alone.
Post by: Username on March 13, 2022, 02:15:44 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 13, 2022, 02:49:57 PM
Post by: Rush on March 14, 2022, 10:29:07 AM
Now they're starting to talk up a new variant, Deltacron, they'll never stop with the scare tactics.
Is that what’s causing the new round of lockdowns in China? Insane. No need to watch this unless you want to marvel at the stupidity of the reporter wearing a mask outside. It’s just more fear porn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEIlGkmMTaw
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 15, 2022, 06:57:14 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 16, 2022, 06:40:02 PM
Post by: Rush on March 17, 2022, 07:43:52 AM
Get those mail in ballots ready. It’s too dangerous to vote in person in November.
They are trying so hard to ignite covid terror, when what’s actually happening is Dems terror of the midterms.
Post by: Number7 on March 17, 2022, 09:12:03 AM
Hmmm....
The ignorance of fauci and his propagandists (the entire democrat establishment) combined with their willingness to flat out lie
when everyone knows their lying, is a trait known only to communists.
Post by: Anthony on March 17, 2022, 01:12:14 PM
The ignorance of fauci and his propagandists (the entire democrat establishment) combined with their willingness to flat out lie
when everyone knows their lying, is a trait known only to communists.
And FASCISTS.
Post by: Rush on March 17, 2022, 02:24:19 PM
No difference.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 17, 2022, 04:05:23 PM
Post by: bflynn on March 21, 2022, 06:40:49 PM
See, it's a Dem surrounded by Panic.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 22, 2022, 03:26:35 AM
Post by: Rush on March 22, 2022, 04:30:21 AM
Post by: bflynn on March 22, 2022, 05:17:26 AM
Post by: jb1842 on March 22, 2022, 05:19:44 AM
Post by: Rush on March 22, 2022, 05:53:36 AM
He's just another media whore. Whatever gets the ratings and keeps his big paychecks comings. The minute he goes off the air, you know he's laughing at everyone of us.
I don’t know. He seems pretty sincere on some subjects, like the mask thing, where he goes against approved doctrine. I don’t see him laughing at the unmasked states behind our backs. No doubt he does it for the money but you can whore yourself for money and still believe in what you’re selling.
Post by: Anthony on March 22, 2022, 06:05:48 AM
Post by: Rush on March 22, 2022, 09:03:00 AM
Excellent.
Post by: Lucifer on March 25, 2022, 04:38:16 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 29, 2022, 05:57:15 AM
Post by: Rush on March 29, 2022, 06:02:49 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 29, 2022, 06:31:39 AM
https://twitter.com/sarahbeth345/status/1508279419483303941 (https://twitter.com/sarahbeth345/status/1508279419483303941)
Post by: Lucifer on March 29, 2022, 07:04:37 AM
This has been an interesting Twitter thread to follow. Sarah Beth lives in LA. She is from Canada and lost her Mother several months ago.
https://twitter.com/sarahbeth345/status/1508279419483303941 (https://twitter.com/sarahbeth345/status/1508279419483303941)
Twitter is a propaganda machine of the left.
Post by: Lucifer on April 01, 2022, 05:26:32 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 05, 2022, 02:50:51 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 18, 2022, 11:45:01 AM
Federal Judge in Florida strikes down the mask mandate on public transportation.
Post by: Rush on April 18, 2022, 04:56:07 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/18/politics/cdc-mask-mandate-ruling/index.html
Federal Judge in Florida strikes down the mask mandate on public transportation.
My husband is flying on Thursday. I hope this stands.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 18, 2022, 05:00:01 PM
IANAL, but it is my understanding that businesses can exceed requirements.
Post by: Rush on April 18, 2022, 05:43:29 PM
I suspect that the airlines will make their own rule for mask usage.
IANAL, but it is my understanding that businesses can exceed requirements.
https://news.aa.com/news/news-details/2022/Update-on-Federal-Mask-Mandate-OPS-OTH-04/default.aspx
Post by: elwood blues on April 18, 2022, 07:49:59 PM
I hope this stands.
It looks like it's for real. TSA has announced it will no longer enforce the mandate as well as United, American, Alaska, Delta, Southwest, Allegiant, and probably some others. The dam has burst, so to speak.
Some talking heads have said it would be foolish for the Xiden Administration to fight this as the ruling is based on the law: the mandate exceeded the authority of the CDC and violated administrative law.
This is the first real pushback I've seen and it's growing into a tsunami.
Post by: Rush on April 19, 2022, 04:23:07 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/confusion%20erupts%20at%20philadelphia%20international%20airport%20as%20national%20mask%20mandate%20thrown%20out%20by%20federal%20judge%20in%20florida/ar-AAWmffb
I told my husband and he said Philadelphia can иди на хуй.
Post by: Anthony on April 19, 2022, 04:33:26 AM
Of course, my husband is flying into Philly and there’s this:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/confusion%20erupts%20at%20philadelphia%20international%20airport%20as%20national%20mask%20mandate%20thrown%20out%20by%20federal%20judge%20in%20florida/ar-AAWmffb
I told my husband and he said Philadelphia can иди на хуй.
Philly is a Hell Hole. I never go into the city anymore. Not that I used to go a lot but had to go as our regional office is down there and I had to go to meetings, but since Covid that's stopped. I used to also visitors there to see the sites, eat, drink, etc. Now I take them elsewhere. They're trying to be Portland. Good luck with that. >:(
Post by: jb1842 on April 19, 2022, 04:39:24 AM
Philly is a Hell Hole. I never go into the city anymore. Not that I used to go a lot but had to go as our regional office is down there and I had to go to meetings, but since Covid that's stopped. I used to also visitors there to see the sites, eat, drink, etc. Now I take them elsewhere. They're trying to be Portland. Good luck with that. >:(
I'd wwlcome masks in Philly even without covid. Might help to filter out the smell of piss as you walk down the streets.
Post by: Rush on April 19, 2022, 04:40:24 AM
Philly is a Hell Hole. I never go into the city anymore. Not that I used to go a lot but had to go as our regional office is down there and I had to go to meetings, but since Covid that's stopped. I used to also visitors there to see the sites, eat, drink, etc. Now I take them elsewhere. They're trying to be Portland. Good luck with that. >:(
Fortunately his mother lives well outside of the city and all he needs to do is land and get a rental car, which is bad enough. He had a hell of a time finding one. Let’s hope it’s there when he arrives and they don’t pull a Seinfeld on him.
Post by: Anthony on April 19, 2022, 05:07:41 AM
Post by: elwood blues on April 19, 2022, 08:40:52 AM
It looks like it's for real. TSA has announced it will no longer enforce the mandate as well as United, American, Alaska, Delta, Southwest, Allegiant, and probably some others. The dam has burst, so to speak.
Now Amtrak and Uber as well.
Post by: Old Crow on April 19, 2022, 09:58:31 AM
Post by: bflynn on April 19, 2022, 07:02:21 PM
I still see people wearing masks at work, the gym, the grocery store, outside, etc. I just assume they are mentally ill and go about my day.
Sometimes they’re doing it to avoid bringing the virus home to an immuno-compromised family member or because they are. We have someone at work whose son had an immune system disorder and he wears a mask to protect himself from taking something home.
Flying Friday. I expect it will still be unpleasant. I did check and they say the front two seats are already occupied.
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2022, 02:47:55 AM
Sometimes they’re doing it to avoid bringing the virus home to an immuno-compromised family member or because they are. We have someone at work whose son had an immune system disorder and he wears a mask to protect himself from taking something home.
Flying Friday. I expect it will still be unpleasant. I did check and they say the front two seats are already occupied.
Good point, but all those people can't be dealing with that. The MEDIA has either brainwashed them or they're just idiots, or both.
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2022, 04:23:51 AM
Sometimes they’re doing it to avoid bringing the virus home to an immuno-compromised family member or because they are. We have someone at work whose son had an immune system disorder and he wears a mask to protect himself from taking something home.
Flying Friday. I expect it will still be unpleasant. I did check and they say the front two seats are already occupied.
I’m fine with people wearing masks for that reason if that’s their choice, but immunocompromised people have always been with us and have always been at risk from ordinary colds and flu and the dormant cold sore virus inside their own bodies, random environmental bacteria, etc. The correct approach is to target protection around them, not forcing all of society to do something so abnormal and psychologically destructive as covering half their face forever, because it is forever, this virus is here to stay.
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2022, 04:25:21 AM
Post by: Username on April 20, 2022, 06:51:37 AM
Sometimes they’re doing it to avoid bringing the virus home to an immuno-compromised family member or because they are. We have someone at work whose son had an immune system disorder and he wears a mask to protect himself from taking something home.Exactly what we do. My wife has a weakened immune system. I do most of the shopping and always wear a mask in crowded stores or when I have to be close to others. Yesterday I got hassled for wearing a mask. I just said "My wife had a brain tumor." They just grumbled something. I don't expect others to do something so we can be safe. Safety is in our own hands.
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2022, 07:12:24 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/04/rhode-island-dems-submit-bill-double-state-income-tax-parents-unvaccinated-minors/
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2022, 07:58:08 AM
Exactly what we do. My wife has a weakened immune system. I do most of the shopping and always wear a mask in crowded stores or when I have to be close to others. Yesterday I got hassled for wearing a mask. I just said "My wife had a brain tumor." They just grumbled something. I don't expect others to do something so we can be safe. Safety is in our own hands.
They should have apologized for being a dick. I would never be rude to someone wearing a mask. You can’t know what’s really going on with another person and to berate them for their choice to wear one makes you as bad as people who berate you for not wearing a mask. It cuts both ways.
I make fun online and in general of young healthy maskurbators who try to force it on the rest of us, but never mock an individual to their face. Otherwise my belief in free choice would be hypocritical.
Most of the people around here who still wear masks are very old and decrepit. It makes sense for them to, even if it doesn’t actually do anything, I can understand their paranoia.
Post by: jb1842 on April 20, 2022, 08:13:53 AM
Post by: Username on April 20, 2022, 08:52:38 AM
I make fun online and in general of young healthy maskurbators who try to force it on the rest of us, but never mock an individual to their face. Otherwise my belief in free choice would be hypocritical.Outstanding!!!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 20, 2022, 09:36:13 AM
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2022, 09:49:20 AM
Outstanding!!!
I can’t take credit for that. I got it from Styxhexenhammer666.
Post by: Rush on April 20, 2022, 09:51:20 AM
I only make fun of people alone in a car with a mask on. They deserve ridicule.
Agree! Except for the one time I forgot to take mine off after leaving the store and found myself alone in the car with it on. You can believe I ripped that thing off in a rage once I realized it.
Post by: bflynn on April 20, 2022, 12:57:23 PM
Don't care who wears a mask or why, they can wear three is they want. Just don't want them telling me to wear one.
100% agree. They can if they want to. That’s their choice and nobody should mock anyone for it.
Post by: nddons on April 20, 2022, 02:11:49 PM
It looks like it's for real. TSA has announced it will no longer enforce the mandate as well as United, American, Alaska, Delta, Southwest, Allegiant, and probably some others. The dam has burst, so to speak.My biggest concern is that this elimination of the mandate will reduce the incidents of pax violence and obstinance that we have come to enjoy as entertainment on Instagram and other media sources. I just don’t know if Spirit Airlines alone will give us enough passenger slap fighting videos to keep me entertained.
Some talking heads have said it would be foolish for the Xiden Administration to fight this as the ruling is based on the law: the mandate exceeded the authority of the CDC and violated administrative law.
This is the first real pushback I've seen and it's growing into a tsunami.
Post by: nddons on April 20, 2022, 02:43:47 PM
Sometimes they’re doing it to avoid bringing the virus home to an immuno-compromised family member or because they are. We have someone at work whose son had an immune system disorder and he wears a mask to protect himself from taking something home.I think those people have always been in a tiny minority of our society as to be statistically insignificant. I always used to say a prayer when I saw people with masks, because it was often an elderly or pediatric cancer patient, or some other serious condition. (Or a group of Asian tourists
Flying Friday. I expect it will still be unpleasant. I did check and they say the front two seats are already occupied.
.)However, now I think when I see people driving alone with masks, walking outdoors with a mask, or even being indoors in a grocery store, more often than not I’m going to conclude that these are disturbed people who have come to see their masks as a woobie, a self-soothing device designed to protect them from the boogie man.
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2022, 03:15:01 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/04/psaki-admits-forced-masking-planes-preserving-power-video/
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2022, 03:33:39 PM
Here's all you need to know.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/04/psaki-admits-forced-masking-planes-preserving-power-video/
Yep. A control and power thing. That's why they want our guns too.
Post by: nddons on April 20, 2022, 03:57:27 PM
"SCIENCE!"As unconstitutional as I’ve ever seen.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/04/rhode-island-dems-submit-bill-double-state-income-tax-parents-unvaccinated-minors/
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2022, 04:51:28 PM
As unconstitutional as I’ve ever seen.
WTF? Who do these people think they are?
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2022, 06:03:26 PM
WTF? Who do these people think they are?
Science dammit!!!!! SCIENCE!!!!
Post by: Lucifer on April 20, 2022, 06:12:20 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 26, 2022, 05:11:03 AM
Post by: Rush on April 26, 2022, 07:39:36 AM
See my new thread about supply chain issues to hear the result of the shutdowns and mishandling of the pandemic. Things are getting WORSE. These logistical issues are causing and will cause further, terrible disruptions to food supply. We have not yet felt the full impact of the irresponsible lockdowns.
Post by: Number7 on April 26, 2022, 10:45:27 AM
https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-10993-1.jpg (https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/article-10993-1.jpg)
Democrats are just going with what got them power in years past... white masks.
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2022, 06:49:30 AM
We were told that the vaccine prevents the spread of covid, protects the individual from getting covid as well as prevents hospitalization.
https://justthenews.com/government/white-house/fauci-say-wont-attend-white-house-correspondences-dinner-amid-covid-19
Post by: nddons on April 28, 2022, 06:57:46 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2022, 07:08:27 AM
Why haven’t the millions of unvaxxed Americans been dropping dead by the millions?
FJB told us we would enter a "winter of death" because all of the pure bloods refused to get the clot shot. Yet covid went down.
But back to Pope Tony. He has advocated the "protection" his magic elixir offers, yet he is afraid of being around pure bloods. Strange.
Post by: Rush on April 28, 2022, 07:16:31 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2022, 07:22:09 AM
Because this has nothing to do with logic or reality. It has to do with shaming the non-compliant.
And increasing profits. Having a product that the development was paid for by the federal government, and the government forcing the citizens to use the product at a price set by the manufacturer brought record profits to big pharma, a dream come true.
And rest assured that big pharma shared that newfound wealth with the right politicians.
Post by: nddons on April 28, 2022, 10:28:49 AM
Because this has nothing to do with logic or reality. It has to do with shaming the non-compliant.Shaming to the point of suicide.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/education/2022/4/26/23043617/latin-school-student-suicide-bullying-lawsuit-vaccination-vax-bronstein-lincoln-park?_amp=true
Post by: Rush on April 28, 2022, 11:19:53 AM
Shaming to the point of suicide.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/education/2022/4/26/23043617/latin-school-student-suicide-bullying-lawsuit-vaccination-vax-bronstein-lincoln-park?_amp=true
Why do parents of a kid being bullied in high school not pull him out and homeschool him? High school homeschoolers can be put on autopilot. You buy them the text and tell them to learn it, it doesn’t even take any parental effort. I will NEVER understand parents who send their kids back into bully situations.
Don’t get me wrong, I am in no way excusing the school or the bullies themselves, the disgusting little monsters.
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2022, 11:28:32 AM
Post by: Anthony on April 28, 2022, 03:55:41 PM
This is why the lunatic left so desperately want control over education. They can train generations of Marxist to follow their commands.
They have accomplished that. Most of the young people at work are admitted Communists or at least Socialist. Why? It's more fair and enables EQUITY, the new ideal mantra.
Post by: bflynn on April 29, 2022, 05:59:15 AM
The plastic masks break down and people are inhaling the particles, which will finally decay in about 10,000 years. Who could have predicted that? 🙄
Post by: Rush on April 30, 2022, 05:32:32 AM
Post by: Rush on April 30, 2022, 05:33:38 AM
https://rumble.com/v12qnab-lockdowners-cause-a-secondary-epidemic-of-hepatitis-in-kids.html
Post by: Lucifer on April 30, 2022, 05:47:56 AM
Yet another unintended consequence of lockdowns. Hepatitis in kids.
https://rumble.com/v12qnab-lockdowners-cause-a-secondary-epidemic-of-hepatitis-in-kids.html
Just a coincidence.
Post by: Number7 on April 30, 2022, 10:28:13 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 30, 2022, 05:27:52 PM
Post by: Lucifer on May 01, 2022, 03:37:21 PM
Post by: Lucifer on May 04, 2022, 04:57:54 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 05, 2022, 05:54:08 AM
Quote
So the leak distracted from the Pfizer dump. 46,000 people took the vaccine in a trial period....42,000 had adverse affects and 1200 died. FDA rules that one death in 30 days closes the trial down...it didn't...why?https://twitter.com/A_A_ronWOOPIG78/status/1521839187137343492?s=20&t=yR2GaRZB8oblG6qqs1iVWQ
Post by: Lucifer on May 05, 2022, 06:25:28 AM
https://twitter.com/A_A_ronWOOPIG78/status/1521839187137343492?s=20&t=yR2GaRZB8oblG6qqs1iVWQ
Profits.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 05, 2022, 06:35:37 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1519088297271734274
Post by: Lucifer on May 05, 2022, 06:40:04 AM
And now this. Look at the mask this dunce thinks is protecting him.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1519088297271734274
The maskers have become a cult. Just consider them an off shoot of the Branch Covidians.
Post by: Anthony on May 05, 2022, 07:07:43 AM
The maskers have become a cult. Just consider them an off shoot of the Branch Covidians.
I think many are just whackjobs. The rest, committed Leftist control freaks showing their love of Marx, Mao, Lenin, Hitler...
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 05, 2022, 08:57:45 AM
https://twitter.com/A_A_ronWOOPIG78/status/1521839187137343492?s=20&t=yR2GaRZB8oblG6qqs1iVWQ
Sounds like BS claim to me. That is because if ~3% (1200/42000) of vaccinated people died from it, it'd be so obvious anyone could see that. Out of 200 million vaccinated people that is 6 million people! Excess deaths over expected deaths since start of the pandemic is still shy of one million. Must be hiding the bodies in a pretty crammed closet someplace.
As to adverse reactions: most definitely bogus claim because pain, swelling, or redness at the injection site are considered adverse events. See for example this CDC site, which notes these occur from about 80% to 89% of the time, depending on age group:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html)
Post by: Lucifer on May 05, 2022, 09:02:04 AM
Sounds like BS claim to me. That is because if ~3% (1200/42000) of vaccinated people died from it, it'd be so obvious anyone could see that. Out of 200 million vaccinated people that is 6 million people! Excess deaths over expected deaths since start of the pandemic is still shy of one million. Must be hiding the bodies in a pretty crammed closet someplace.
As to adverse reactions: most definitely bogus claim because pain, swelling, or redness at the injection site are considered adverse events. See for example this CDC site, which notes these occur from about 80% to 89% of the time, depending on age group:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html)
Besides, we all know the vaccine is safe and effective! The CDC wouldn't try to deceive anyone. nor would Pfizer or Moderna.
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 05, 2022, 09:19:37 AM
Besides, we all know the vaccine is safe and effective! The CDC wouldn't try to deceive anyone. nor would Pfizer or Moderna.
Attacking bogus info with bogus info of your own is such a winning strategy!
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 05, 2022, 09:26:22 AM
Sounds like BS claim to me. That is because if ~3% (1200/42000) of vaccinated people died from it, it'd be so obvious anyone could see that. Out of 200 million vaccinated people that is 6 million people! Excess deaths over expected deaths since start of the pandemic is still shy of one million. Must be hiding the bodies in a pretty crammed closet someplace.
As to adverse reactions: most definitely bogus claim because pain, swelling, or redness at the injection site are considered adverse events. See for example this CDC site, which notes these occur from about 80% to 89% of the time, depending on age group:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/info-by-product/pfizer/reactogenicity.html)
given how certain organizations count covid deaths, if people applied the same (ludicrous/insane) criteria to counting vaccination deaths....
Post by: Number7 on May 05, 2022, 12:32:56 PM
Attacking bogus info with bogus info of your own is such a winning strategy!
Jim you don't have to keep reminding us that you are sold out to the statist, communists and will go to great lengths to discredit anything that doesn't fit the agreed narrative.
Between the vaccine cheerleading and utter bullshit you sling attacking those that are showing the election was so token one would think you were on the dnc payroll.
Post by: Lucifer on May 05, 2022, 05:53:04 PM
Attacking bogus info with bogus info of your own is such a winning strategy!
What did I write that was bogus?
Post by: Anthony on May 05, 2022, 06:05:45 PM
Jim you don't have to keep reminding us that you are sold out to the statist, communists and will go to great lengths to discredit anything that doesn't fit the agreed narrative.
Between the vaccine cheerleading and utter bullshit you sling attacking those that are showing the election was so token one would think you were on the dnc payroll.
I actually don't think that's the case but let's hear Jim out.
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 05, 2022, 06:16:29 PM
What did I write that was bogus?
Sorry, nothing. I should have written it so it didn't use "you" and probably not replied to your post since my complaint is generic:
Attacking bogus info with bogus info is such a winning strategy!
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 05, 2022, 06:28:36 PM
Jim you don't have to keep reminding us that you are sold out to the statist, communists and will go to great lengths to discredit anything that doesn't fit the agreed narrative.
Between the vaccine cheerleading and utter bullshit you sling attacking those that are showing the election was so token one would think you were on the dnc payroll.
You're just jealous of the vast wealth and power I acquired when I sold out. Though I'm not sure yet where to spend the $20.....
Post by: Number7 on May 05, 2022, 06:59:16 PM
You're just jealous of the vast wealth and power I acquired when I sold out. Though I'm not sure yet where to spend the $20.....
$20 is $20 more than than the bullshit vaccine worshipping is worth.
Post by: nddons on May 06, 2022, 11:16:15 AM
Jim you don't have to keep reminding us that you are sold out to the statist, communists and will go to great lengths to discredit anything that doesn't fit the agreed narrative.That’s uncalled for. Jim’s response was a fair and balanced response to the claim presented. Jesus Christ, you’re as bad as the Marxists who jump on a leftist bandwagon and seek to destroy anyone who challenges it.
Between the vaccine cheerleading and utter bullshit you sling attacking those that are showing the election was so token one would think you were on the dnc payroll.
If you haven’t learned by now that we have to question every fact presented to us, on EITHER SIDE, then you might be a statist yourself.
Post by: Number7 on May 06, 2022, 11:42:33 AM
Why wimpy libs have to be such pussies is beyond me.
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 06, 2022, 12:07:26 PM
Blah… Blah… BLAH…
Why wimpy libs have to be such pussies is beyond me.
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
Post by: Rush on May 06, 2022, 12:46:21 PM
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
Hahahahaha!
Post by: Number7 on May 06, 2022, 12:56:43 PM
This will hurt more.
https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/urgent-pfizer-news-malone-and-mccullough
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/05/health/fda-johnson-johnson-vaccine-eua/index.html
https://wtop.com/coronavirus/2022/05/fda-restricts-jjs-covid-19-vaccine-due-to-blood-clot-risk/
But it didn’t happen to Jim so it never happened… just like the stolen election.
A pussy has to be a pussy…
Post by: bflynn on May 06, 2022, 11:06:30 PM
Post by: Anthony on May 07, 2022, 02:20:31 AM
Did you ever notice the guys with the smallest dicks scream the loudest?
Yeah, that helps the discussion. ::)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 07, 2022, 03:33:40 AM
Did you ever notice the guys with the smallest dicks scream the loudest?
is that why woman scream?
Post by: Number7 on May 07, 2022, 04:40:06 AM
Did you ever notice the guys with the smallest dicks scream the loudest?
You don't need to self describe your shortcomings flynnee...
It's obvious to everybody.
Post by: Rush on May 07, 2022, 05:20:59 AM
Post by: bflynn on May 07, 2022, 05:39:21 AM
Post by: Number7 on May 07, 2022, 05:40:37 AM
So now we have literal dick measuring here? Come on guys.
flynnee is very thin-skinned, and awfully unimaginative.
he loves to copy other people's words and make beleive he is superior by posting pathetic insults.
His girlfriend cheerleaders will be by soon to echo his displeasure.
Post by: Rush on May 07, 2022, 06:25:12 AM
No, I’m not naming anyone or suggesting anyone compare measurements. But I’ve long held that the people who are most vocal are probably compensating.
That’s what gun control nuts say about people who own guns. Or maybe that’s another case of projection. The gun control nuts scream the loudest, maybe they’re the ones compensating.
Post by: Lucifer on May 07, 2022, 06:42:10 AM
Did you ever notice the guys with the smallest dicks scream the loudest?
What are you yelling about now?
Post by: Number7 on May 07, 2022, 06:44:16 AM
What are you yelling about now?
He thinks his dick is too small.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 07, 2022, 06:56:43 AM
So now we have literal dick measuring here? Come on guys.
Thinking of your ape thread, maybe it’s a chest-pounding ape thing, programmed in by nature. They can’t help it, but on some level humanity needs it to survive. This is why we cannot have censorship. Still, I prefer it when men conduct their chest pounding and dick measuring in productive and meaningful ways rather than just making the gestures. :)
Post by: Username on May 07, 2022, 07:28:43 AM
Did you ever notice the guys with the smallest dicks scream the loudest?THAT'S NOT TRUE!
Post by: Rush on May 07, 2022, 07:34:56 AM
Thinking of your ape thread, maybe it’s a chest-pounding ape thing, programmed in by nature. They can’t help it, but on some level humanity needs it to survive. This is why we cannot have censorship. Still, I prefer it when men conduct their chest pounding and dick measuring in productive and meaningful ways rather than just making the gestures. :)
Hahahahahaha! YES!!! You nailed it.
To take this farther, men conduct it in productive and meaningful ways when they are literally productive, like in jobs that create all the modern conveniences we have which, face it, it’s men, not women, that drive inventions and progress.
Feminism and the myth of toxic masculinity has the young generation eschewing marriage. Women don’t need men, and there is a “men going their own way” movement reacting by avoiding women. But as one content creator I listen to puts it, “Men need a reason to get up in the morning. Sex with women is ultimately the reason. It’s why they work and produce, and what drives the economy.” When you see what is happening in China with the “lie flat” movement, you might think he is right. (China doesn’t have enough females for all their male lonely onlies.)
Also, anthropologists and historians point out that when men do not have adequate relationships with women, they band together into groups which become violent and aggressive. An example is inner city gangs, after welfare displaced fathers in the lives of women.
When you remove the possibility of sex and a healthy bonding with a female, men lose the motivation to be productive and instead revert to more primitive behaviors. Not saying that’s the case with our guys here, because this kind of verbal forum sparring is only an artifact of the instinct. The worst kinds of real life male posturing and combat come when real life circumstances deprive them of the dual opportunity of mating with a good female and having a productive job. This is why I’m worried that the trend in the U.S. of feminist rejection of men plus a bad economy together is going to result in an increase in crime.
Post by: Anthony on May 07, 2022, 08:51:55 AM
Thinking of your ape thread, maybe it’s a chest-pounding ape thing, programmed in by nature. They can’t help it, but on some level humanity needs it to survive. This is why we cannot have censorship. Still, I prefer it when men conduct their chest pounding and dick measuring in productive and meaningful ways rather than just making the gestures. :)
Is this an attempt at Male bashing? ;D
We're immature and rude because. Well just because.
Post by: Lucifer on May 07, 2022, 10:08:46 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 07, 2022, 12:47:19 PM
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/uk-government-data-shows-nobody-should
Over 200 million people have been vaccinated in the U.S. Just under 1 million are claimed to have died from Covid-19 since January 2020. In a non-pandemic year just under 3 million die of all causes.
Kirsch claims at one point that roughly 7 die likely from the vaccine for every 1 that dies from Covid-19. That would mean roughly 7 million vaccine deaths since January 2021. Most of the U.S. vaccinations occurred entirely during 2021. If his claims were correct we have seen something like 10 million deaths in 2021 instead of 3 million from all causes. But excess death counts don't show such a huge leap.
Beats me where he goes wildly wrong, but his claims don't add up - literally and figuratively. From a medical aspect he would also need to explain why a tiny amount of non-replicating spike protein mRNA would be more dangerous than a replicating virus that would inflict damage on many more cells throughout the body.
At least the optical mouse I have works, so I'll grant him that.
Post by: Lucifer on May 07, 2022, 12:52:07 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 07, 2022, 01:05:14 PM
Wouldn’t it be wonderful if we had access to ALL of the data?
What data are missing?
Post by: Rush on May 07, 2022, 01:19:32 PM
What data are missing?
He says this:
Since the clinical trials were unblinded, we can’t use that data. Instead, what we need to see is a retrospective study of matched individuals with 100,000 in each group selected on December 1, 2020 before the vaccines rolled out to the public if we want to know if these vaccines are reducing deaths.
One group goes the full vax route. The other group shuns the vax entirely.
You then look at the number of COVID vs. non-COVID deaths in each group and compute the risk-benefit analysis as we did earlier.
That’s the data I want to see. Where is it? Nobody has been able to show me.
Post by: Number7 on May 07, 2022, 02:58:46 PM
Post by: bflynn on May 07, 2022, 10:35:09 PM
That’s the data I want to see. Where is it? Nobody has been able to show me.
They can’t define covid vs non-covid deaths consistently, so the data you want does not exist.
Post by: Rush on May 08, 2022, 04:36:33 AM
They can’t define covid vs non-covid deaths consistently, so the data you want does not exist.
Actually I was quoting the article so it’s the data the author wants to see, plus Jim to whom I was responding. I should have put quotes around it but I was lazy.
But I suppose it’s true I would like to see it also, however I agree with you it would be very suspect, even if somebody tried to pull it together because of exactly the reason you state. Nobody bothered to standardize reporting of Covid deaths, and financial incentives fatally contaminated any statistics. But they could try anyway. The CDC could pretend to care, or the government could at least not censor people simply asking the question.
They could make a best guess. The all cause mortality is the most important metric when contemplating an intervention, at least in my opinion. Profit is in the view of Big Pharma, and kickbacks are, in the view of Big Medicine and the political class.
That’s not to say all interventions are more harmful than good. Big Pharma cured my daughter’s cancer. I’m still waiting for accurate data on the Covid vax before I form a hardened opinion, but right now my best guess is: it’s way less effective than we were led to believe and has more concerning side effects than we were led to believe. It might not be as horrible as some think, but the fact that the data has been covered up and discussion of it is censored doesn’t inspire me to feel positive about it. The censorship alone is reason enough for me to say to them, “Fuck you, I’m not getting any boosters; you have permanently destroyed your credibility.”
Post by: Number7 on May 08, 2022, 05:07:29 AM
liberals are the stupidest people and the biggest fucking liars on earth.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 08, 2022, 05:12:16 AM
... It might not be as horrible as some think, but the fact that the data has been covered up and discussion of it is censored doesn’t inspire me to feel positive about it.
something to consider: the vaccinations have allowed top-cover for reducing/eliminating various restrictions. Kind of like a placebo.
Post by: Username on May 08, 2022, 06:59:12 AM
What data are missing?Data IS. Data ARE is just silly.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 08, 2022, 07:29:59 AM
Data IS. Data ARE is just silly.
There are innumerable instances where the written/spoken language is tortured...
Post by: Rush on May 08, 2022, 07:51:15 AM
Data IS. Data ARE is just silly.
Actually, “data are” is correct. “Data” is plural. “Datum” is singular.
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 08, 2022, 09:01:55 AM
Data IS. Data ARE is just silly.
https://grammarist.com/usage/data/ (https://grammarist.com/usage/data/)
Post by: Username on May 08, 2022, 09:12:07 AM
Actually, “data are” is correct. “Data” is plural. “Datum” is singular.Yeah, I know. It just sounds wrong. Like those pretentious folk who insist on using the "ethnic" pronunciations of particular words as they speak. It's jarring and unnatural.
In the database / IT world, it's long been settled science that the proper use is "data is". One of the pioneers of database says so in his footnotes, and I'll see if I can find it. I think it's E.F. Codd but I'm not sure. Anyway, it's a plural word like "sand". You don't say "The sand are hot" even though you're referring to more than one grain of sand. Or rice. Or water. Yes, it has latin roots and all that. But we're here in America where we invented computers and data and everything right and noble. Gosh darn it, DATA IS!
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 08, 2022, 09:28:17 AM
Yeah, I know. It just sounds wrong. Like those pretentious folk who insist on using the "ethnic" pronunciations of particular words as they speak. It's jarring and unnatural.
In the database / IT world, it's long been settled science that the proper use is "data is". One of the pioneers of database says so in his footnotes, and I'll see if I can find it. I think it's E.F. Codd but I'm not sure. Anyway, it's a plural word like "sand". You don't say "The sand are hot" even though you're referring to more than one grain of sand. Or rice. Or water. Yes, it has latin roots and all that. But we're here in America where we invented computers and data and everything right and noble. Gosh darn it, DATA IS!
What datas are missing?
Post by: Rush on May 08, 2022, 10:11:36 AM
Yeah, I know. It just sounds wrong. Like those pretentious folk who insist on using the "ethnic" pronunciations of particular words as they speak. It's jarring and unnatural.
In the database / IT world, it's long been settled science that the proper use is "data is". One of the pioneers of database says so in his footnotes, and I'll see if I can find it. I think it's E.F. Codd but I'm not sure. Anyway, it's a plural word like "sand". You don't say "The sand are hot" even though you're referring to more than one grain of sand. Or rice. Or water. Yes, it has latin roots and all that. But we're here in America where we invented computers and data and everything right and noble. Gosh darn it, DATA IS!
I was raised by a pretentious university professor who actually spoke Latin so I can’t help myself. :( My other parent was from immigrant peasants who came here and worked in factories and coal mines. I have cultural identity issues.
My father couldn’t stand it when my mother referred to us kids as “kids”. “A kid is a baby goat,” he’d lecture her, “Immature humans are ‘children’.”
Post by: Rush on May 08, 2022, 04:17:56 PM
Post by: Number7 on May 09, 2022, 06:09:36 AM
OH, and flynn is still offended by a mean tweet.
Post by: Lucifer on May 09, 2022, 03:16:38 PM
https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1523756612904644610
Post by: nddons on May 09, 2022, 04:07:25 PM
Actually, “data are” is correct. “Data” is plural. “Datum” is singular.Yes, but I agree with username. Same thing with Media. I hate saying “Media are…”
Post by: Username on May 16, 2022, 06:27:17 AM
Post by: Rush on May 16, 2022, 06:46:15 AM
So on Thursday my wife started feeling bad. Lots of nose blowing and a very sore throat. Wet cough but nothing in her lungs. Tested positive for Covid on Saturday. Feeling a little better today. Trying to get her doctor to prescribe some antivirals just in case. She's vaccinated plus two boosters. I'm the same but negative. Hoping this is as bad as it gets for her.
I hope she is all better real soon. It’s possible she doesn’t have Covid at all, just a cold, and it was a false positive test. I don’t trust anything connected with any of this anymore.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 16, 2022, 06:57:28 AM
I hope she is all better real soon. It’s possible she doesn’t have Covid at all, just a cold, and it was a false positive test. I don’t trust anything connected with any of this anymore.
it's also possible for it to be an actual correct positive test, but the symptoms could still be caused by something else.
We know that a large percentage of people with covid-19 .have. .no. .symptoms.
Having covid-19 doesn't prevent you from also having the flu or a common cold, or allergies.
Post by: Username on May 16, 2022, 08:31:48 AM
Post by: Rush on May 16, 2022, 09:59:52 AM
Thanks for the good wishes! She tested negative on Thursday with the onset of symptoms, but was then told that testing won't show anything for three days after symptoms start. So she tested again Saturday and got a positive. I don't trust these "made in china" (says so on the label) test kits, but it doesn't hurt to isolate for 10 days total, whether it's a cold, flu, or Covid. It does seem worse than the usual cold, but her sats are > 95 and no fever. Just a terrible sore throat and full nose. Her doctor is giving her anti-virals. That should be interesting.
I hear you about Made in China. Don't get me started....
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 18, 2022, 07:31:25 AM
https://gab.com/Mandy_Poppins/posts/108321288719503819
“Statement from international coalition of aviation & medical professionals. Serious concerns with compromise in aviation safety due to vaccine injuries among flight crew. This represents over 30 airlines, 1000s of pilots & over 17,000 physicians and medical scientists.”
Post by: Number7 on May 18, 2022, 08:56:24 AM
Aviation and the not-vax.
https://gab.com/Mandy_Poppins/posts/108321288719503819
“Statement from international coalition of aviation & medical professionals. Serious concerns with compromise in aviation safety due to vaccine injuries among flight crew. This represents over 30 airlines, 1000s of pilots & over 17,000 physicians and medical scientists.”
I wonder how long that would be permitted to be discussed at POA.
Post by: Old Crow on May 18, 2022, 09:52:25 AM
Post by: Rush on May 18, 2022, 09:56:52 AM
I just entered it at POS (correction, POA) at 1251 EDT. We'll see what happens. Thread is 'Covid & Medical'
Any link to Gab is probably banned over there.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 18, 2022, 10:04:34 AM
Any link to Gab is probably banned over there.
certainly even mentioning pilotspin gets the ban/deletion hammer.
Post by: Rush on May 18, 2022, 10:39:26 AM
certainly even mentioning pilotspin gets the ban/deletion hammer.
Yep. And that proves that they’re not just about enforcing the rules, but proactively trying to hinder people’s access to other sources of information that they deem not approved by GroupThink.
Post by: Number7 on May 18, 2022, 12:39:25 PM
DHS Disinformation Board Paused - Chief Quits
The woman named to lead the Biden administration's newly created Disinformation Governance Board has resigned after it was announced the board would be "paused" following much criticism surrounding her appointment.
Nina Jankowicz, who had been named executive director of the Department of Homeland Security's Disinformation Governance Board, announced her resignation Wednesday in a statement,
https://www.newsmax.com/
Post by: Old Crow on May 18, 2022, 12:51:29 PM
Old Crow,
The Management Council has determined that your message (Covid & Medical) contains political / religious / spin zone material:
https://gab.com/Mandy_Poppins/posts/108321288719503819
This is in violation of the Rules of Conduct you agreed to when joining this community. Your message may have been removed or altered. Your account's access may be (or become) restricted based on these actions or future actions.
If your account has not been suspended or banned, we welcome your continued participation on the forums in accordance with the Rules of Conduct.
Thank you,
The Management Council
Post by: Number7 on May 18, 2022, 12:58:11 PM
What a bunch of pussies.
Freedom of thought is the arch enemy of liberal assholes and other kinds of pussies.
Group think or nothing at pos, I mean POA.
Got this at 1445. Took them damn near 2 hours.
Old Crow,
The Management Council has determined that your message (Covid & Medical) contains political / religious / spin zone material:
https://gab.com/Mandy_Poppins/posts/108321288719503819
This is in violation of the Rules of Conduct you agreed to when joining this community. Your message may have been removed or altered. Your account's access may be (or become) restricted based on these actions or future actions.
If your account has not been suspended or banned, we welcome your continued participation on the forums in accordance with the Rules of Conduct.
Thank you,
The Management Council
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 18, 2022, 02:01:28 PM
It’s not unthinkable that when the aviation community, of which POA is a part, prohibits discussion of a timely and critical medical topic, deaths could result and probably already have.
Post by: Lucifer on May 18, 2022, 03:01:27 PM
Post by: Anthony on May 18, 2022, 03:08:54 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/4JjfPu7.jpg)
What a faggot.
Post by: Number7 on May 18, 2022, 04:45:09 PM
Post by: Rush on May 20, 2022, 05:49:43 AM
Post by: Anthony on May 20, 2022, 06:02:18 AM
.
Just proves Democrats are hypocritical liars.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 20, 2022, 08:23:28 AM
And what do you have if you take away the "k"?
Post by: Anthony on May 20, 2022, 03:58:54 PM
Next up is Monkeypox
And what do you have if you take away the "k"?
It's just the Flying Monkees from "The Wizard of Oz". They didn't scare me when I was 7, they don't scare me now. I hate Monkees, including Chimps, which I know aren't Monkees. They're little disgusting Apes, but I call them all Monkeys.
"Get your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty Ape!!!"
Charlton Heston, "The Planet of the Apes".
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 20, 2022, 04:09:15 PM
It's just the Flying Monkees from "The Wizard of Oz". They didn't scare me when I was 7, they don't scare me now. I hate Monkees, including Chimps, which I know aren't Monkees. They're little disgusting Apes, but I call them all Monkeys.
"Get your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty Ape!!!"
Charlton Heston, "The Planet of the Apes".
This dire warning was issued 56 years ago:
"Hey, hey, we're the Monkees
And people say we monkey around.
...
Any time, Or anywhere,
Just look over your shoulder
Guess who'll be standing there
...
Hey, hey, we're the Monkees,
You never know where we'll be found.
So you'd better get ready,
We may be comin' to your town."
Post by: Lucifer on May 23, 2022, 06:10:27 AM
Post by: Anthony on May 23, 2022, 07:12:44 AM
This dire warning was issued 56 years ago:
"Hey, hey, we're the Monkees
And people say we monkey around.
...
Any time, Or anywhere,
Just look over your shoulder
Guess who'll be standing there
...
Hey, hey, we're the Monkees,
You never know where we'll be found.
So you'd better get ready,
We may be comin' to your town."
Yep. Just another Pleasant Valley Sunday.
Post by: Lucifer on May 24, 2022, 04:38:49 PM
Quote
From the Department of Are You Fucking Kidding Me*
CNN just ran a piece explaining that “scientists are urgently trying to solve” the question of whether the endless waves of Covid we now have “may be a result of the mRNA technology used to build some Covid-19 vaccines.”
Not making this up:
(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F02025006-a499-4bd9-9b78-1db0ccb3e41c_1170x907.jpeg)
Oh? You don’t say? Now “scientists” are “urgently trying” to figure out if the “mRNA technology” is the problem and not the solution?
Now?
NOW?
Maybe they can urgently try to build a time machine too, or an unvaccine machine.
(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9efe8483-15fc-427f-9601-75ae97359888_1170x308.jpeg)
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2022, 06:41:48 AM
But it's all about "the science".
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2022, 06:48:57 AM
Quote
The Lancet, a world-renown medical journal, is out with a new study debunking a highly-cited CDC study that was used to support mask mandates in schools.
Specifically, the study not only replicates the CDC study, which found a “negative association” between masks and pediatric cases of Covid-19, it also extends the study to include more districts over a longer period of time. In the end, the new study had nearly “six times as much data as the original study.”
“Replicating the CDC study shows similar results; however, incorporating a larger sample and longer period showed no significant relationship between mask mandates and case rates,” the study finds. “These results persisted when using regression methods to control for differences across districts. Interpretation: School districts that choose to mandate masks are likely to be systematically different from those that do not in multiple, often unobserved, ways. We failed to establish a relationship between school masking and pediatric cases using the same methods but a larger, more nationally diverse population over a longer interval. Our study demonstrates that observational studies of interventions with small to moderate effect sizes are prone to bias caused by selection and omitted variables. Randomized studies can more reliably inform public health policy.”
Post by: Rush on June 02, 2022, 07:04:02 AM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2022/06/01/lancet-study-on-masking-n2608053
My daughters kids’ daycare has returned to making them wear masks. I’m FURIOUS. I was enjoying seeing my grandson’s entire smiling face in the pictures for the short weeks they stopped with the mask insanity. At least they’re not making the two year old wear them. But the five year old has now been wearing a face diaper for two years. Child abuse!!!!
At least she only works part time so he isn’t there all that much. Not the point.
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2022, 07:08:24 AM
My daughters kids’ daycare has returned to making them wear masks. I’m FURIOUS. I was enjoying seeing my grandson’s entire smiling face in the pictures for the short weeks they stopped with the mask insanity. At least they’re not making the two year old wear them. But the five year old has now been wearing a face diaper for two years. Child abuse!!!!
At least she only works part time so he isn’t there all that much. Not the point.
The whole compliance face diaper debacle is a farce. Totally idiotic, but the idiots never want it to go away. It's now their security blanket.
Post by: Number7 on June 02, 2022, 07:11:20 AM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2022/06/01/lancet-study-on-masking-n2608053
Try posting those facts on POS I mean POA and see how fast the truth is labled religious political speech.
Communist democrats are utter assholes on so many levels.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 02, 2022, 08:43:24 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2022, 08:56:04 AM
No mask requirement to fly anymore, they're dropping like flies.
But..but..but......the next wave is coming!!!
Post by: Number7 on June 02, 2022, 10:07:53 AM
But..but..but......the next wave is coming!!!
Beware the mid-term variant.
It's the worst one yet!!!!
Be afraid...
Be very afraid.
Post by: elwood blues on June 02, 2022, 10:50:56 AM
But..but..but......the next wave is coming!!!
Beware the mid-term variant.
It's the worst one yet!!!!
Be afraid...
Be very afraid.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1475320070666539008/pu/vid/576x318/pgPDRPXMGXG8e4K2.mp4?tag=12 (https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1475320070666539008/pu/vid/576x318/pgPDRPXMGXG8e4K2.mp4?tag=12)
If I already posted this, my apologies. It just seemed appropriate.
Post by: Lucifer on June 03, 2022, 12:12:28 PM
Post by: Lucifer on June 11, 2022, 08:00:45 AM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=2748;image)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 11, 2022, 08:04:38 AM
sure, stay home.... or wear a full hazmat suit.
Post by: Rush on June 11, 2022, 08:31:43 AM
Idiocy
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=2748;image)
If you are young and healthy and feel this way you’re a coward, paranoid or a germophobe. Older people or sick people or people living with a vulnerable person, that’s different.
Is it coincidence that it seems mostly liberals who feel this way about Covid? Are liberals in general more cowardly, mentally ill or neurotic? Has anyone ever done a study?
Post by: Lucifer on June 11, 2022, 08:32:31 AM
https://www.tampafp.com/pentagon-opens-the-door-to-hiv-positive-recruits-after-purging-the-ranks-of-the-unvaxxed/
Post by: Lucifer on June 11, 2022, 08:32:58 AM
If you are young and healthy and feel this way you’re a coward, paranoid or a germophobe. Older people or sick people or people living with a vulnerable person, that’s different.
Is it coincidence that it seems mostly liberals who feel this way about Covid? Are liberals in general more cowardly, mentally ill or neurotic? Has anyone ever done a study?
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Post by: jb1842 on June 11, 2022, 09:06:35 AM
If you are young and healthy and feel this way you’re a coward, paranoid or a germophobe. Older people or sick people or people living with a vulnerable person, that’s different.
Is it coincidence that it seems mostly liberals who feel this way about Covid? Are liberals in general more cowardly, mentally ill or neurotic? Has anyone ever done a study?
Yes
Post by: Anthony on June 11, 2022, 09:24:41 AM
If you are young and healthy and feel this way you’re a coward, paranoid or a germophobe. Older people or sick people or people living with a vulnerable person, that’s different.
Is it coincidence that it seems mostly liberals who feel this way about Covid? Are liberals in general more cowardly, mentally ill or neurotic? Has anyone ever done a study?
I see young healthy people at the gym wearing masks. I just assume they are Leftist whackos. I avoid them.
Post by: Lucifer on June 11, 2022, 05:36:14 PM
Post by: nddons on June 12, 2022, 08:59:49 AM
IdiocyDuct tape to seal off all edges of the mask to your face should help. Here, let me help you…….
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=2748;image)
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oEjI3NyVke1z59fAA/giphy.gif)
Post by: Number7 on June 12, 2022, 09:24:25 AM
Duct tape to seal off all edges of the mask to your face should help. Here, let me help you…….
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oEjI3NyVke1z59fAA/giphy.gif)
I recommend a hearty well done and prodigious participation trophy celebrating such devoted virtue signaling.
Post by: nddons on June 13, 2022, 01:23:02 PM
I recommend a heart well done and a prodigious participation trophy celebrating such devotedvirtue signaling.That’s the bitch who outed the owner of the Libs on Tick Tock site.
Post by: Rush on June 13, 2022, 02:48:09 PM
I’m flying day after tomorrow and wanted to get the blocked ear fixed plus find out if I am contagious because I’m going to visit my elderly mother. The doctor said pffft, you have allergies. I said, “you’re not going to test me for Covid?” He said nope. You don’t have Covid. Go and have a nice trip. (I have prescription decongestant for the plane ride.).
Post by: Number7 on June 13, 2022, 03:43:21 PM
That’s the bitch who outed the owner of the Libs on Tick Tock site.
She does seem to have issues...
Post by: Anthony on June 13, 2022, 03:47:22 PM
Today I got to be “that” person wearing a mask when nobody else was. I have a sore throat and blocked ear so I called the doctor and made an appointment. They stopped requiring masks a long time ago except if you are sick with possible Covid. I guess any kind of upper respiratory symptoms are possible Covid. So I’m sitting in the waiting room, about a dozen people there, and I am the only person wearing a mask. I wonder if the others thought I was a left wing nut.
I’m flying day after tomorrow and wanted to get the blocked ear fixed plus find out if I am contagious because I’m going to visit my elderly mother. The doctor said pffft, you have allergies. I said, “you’re not going to test me for Covid?” He said nope. You don’t have Covid. Go and have a nice trip. (I have prescription decongestant for the plane ride.).
Did you ever wear a mask for these type of symptoms prior to Covid? If not, then yeah, Leftist Whacko. ;D
Post by: Rush on June 13, 2022, 04:32:44 PM
Did you ever wear a mask for these type of symptoms prior to Covid? If not, then yeah, Leftist Whacko. ;D
Hey! I only did it because they told me to!
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 13, 2022, 04:41:50 PM
Hey! I only did it because they told me to!
You see five lights.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NxZ7XAYkVo4/hqdefault.jpg)
Post by: Anthony on June 13, 2022, 04:53:25 PM
Hey! I only did it because they told me ...to!
You're absolved.....For Now. ;D
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 13, 2022, 05:03:30 PM
Today I got to be “that” person wearing a mask when nobody else was. I have a sore throat and blocked ear so I called the doctor and made an appointment. They stopped requiring masks a long time ago except if you are sick with possible Covid. I guess any kind of upper respiratory symptoms are possible Covid. So I’m sitting in the waiting room, about a dozen people there, and I am the only person wearing a mask. I wonder if the others thought I was a left wing nut.
I’m flying day after tomorrow and wanted to get the blocked ear fixed plus find out if I am contagious because I’m going to visit my elderly mother. The doctor said pffft, you have allergies. I said, “you’re not going to test me for Covid?” He said nope. You don’t have Covid. Go and have a nice trip. (I have prescription decongestant for the plane ride.).
Here in maskachusetts, everyone has to wear a mask in all healthcare facalities. Even at the dentist.... go figure.
Bearing in my mind that I'm not a covid freak, you might consider using one of the home test kits... a negative test might put your mind at ease wrt possibly spreading something to your mother.
I hope the trip goes well (including the "joy" of flying while congested)
Post by: Rush on June 13, 2022, 05:26:45 PM
Here in maskachusetts, everyone has to wear a mask in all healthcare facalities. Even at the dentist.... go figure.
Bearing in my mind that I'm not a covid freak, you might consider using one of the home test kits... a negative test might put your mind at ease wrt possibly spreading something to your mother.
I hope the trip goes well (including the "joy" of flying while congested)
I thought about that. I checked the case number in this county and it is really low, and I hardly ever go anywhere. So I tend to believe the doctor is right. My mom on the other hand is going to physical therapy twice a week, so it’s probably more likely I’d get it from her than the other way around.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2022, 06:21:22 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 14, 2022, 06:30:34 AM
So now the "scientist" are telling us about a rise in SADS (Sudden Adult Death Syndrome) and how adults under 40 are "mysteriously" dying for no reason. ::)
Yes, and they say it could be genetic!!! If a relative of yours under 40 dies of SADS, you should “see your cardiologist!”
No one recovers from SADS. What good would seeing a cardiologist do besides enrich the cardiologist?
I’ve never seen a more convenient, comprehensively protective and useful for everyone but the patient, diagnosis.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2022, 06:32:09 AM
Yes, and they say it could be genetic!!! If a relative of yours under 40 dies of SADS, you should “see your cardiologist!”
No one recovers from SADS. What good would seeing a cardiologist do besides enrich the cardiologist?
I’ve never seen a more convenient, comprehensively protective and useful for everyone but the patient, diagnosis.
So how long before Pfizer has an untested vaccine for this?
Post by: Rush on June 14, 2022, 06:33:49 AM
So now the "scientist" are telling us about a rise in SADS (Sudden Adult Death Syndrome) and how adults under 40 are "mysteriously" dying for no reason. ::)
I would think the most common cause of Sudden Adult Death Syndrome in adults under 40 would be a gunshot wound.
Post by: Number7 on June 14, 2022, 06:37:13 AM
Yes, and they say it could be genetic!!! If a relative of yours under 40 dies of SADS, you should “see your cardiologist!”
No one recovers from SADS. What good would seeing a cardiologist do besides enrich the cardiologist?
I’ve never seen a more convenient, comprehensively protective and useful for everyone but the patient, diagnosis.
The news of sudden adult death syndrome following the never-ending bullshit trying to coerce people into taking the scam vaccines shouldn't surprise anyone
except useless, parasitic leftists and general all-around pussies.
It is FAR too late for anyone stupid enough to fall for the vaccine lies to do anything about the health issues and potential deaths caused by too fast creation and too little testing,
buy I am interested to see how long it takes the lawyers to start suing big pharma, states and the fucking federal assholes, for their part in the scam.I doubt the hastily prepared
exemption from litigation will help if it is proven that the vaccine makers knew it was dangerous and were coerced to bring it out anyway by the profiteers surrounding that
fucking scum bag, fauci and his suck buddy pedo joe.
I do not belive corporations were exempted from liability for forcing people to take the scam vaccines, so those law suits ought to be pretty damn exciting, and once those
ass wipes start blaming pedo joe and that fucking fauci, the shit should hit the fan pretty hard.
I hope they all go bankrupt for forcing employees to take that shit, and I hope fauci and his band of shit brained, thieves go to prison, where they get aids from J-6 prisoners
held without due process by criminal judges and the fucking scum that pay them.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2022, 06:58:33 AM
Tells you all you need to know.
Post by: Rush on June 14, 2022, 07:02:34 AM
Now, whether there is a statistical increase in these deaths in the vaccinated population as opposed to the unvaxed is another matter and should be carefully investigated before either side digs in with the propaganda and jumping to conclusions.
Trouble is, is there anyone objective enough to do the research and if so, if it implicates the vaccine, will the conclusion be totally suppressed? I bet so.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2022, 07:05:56 AM
Also known as Sudden arrhythmic death syndrome. The definition is death without other identifiable cause. Not clots, which would be identifiable at autopsy, but arrhythmia, which is undetectable at autopsy. It can be associated with certain chronic conditions such as long QT syndrome which is why they want you to get checked by a cardiologist. You can treat some of these disorders with medications or pacemakers.
Now, whether there is a statistical increase in these deaths in the vaccinated population as opposed to the unvaxed is another matter and should be carefully investigated before either side digs in with the propaganda and jumping to conclusions.
Trouble is, is there anyone objective enough to do the research and if so, if it implicates the vaccine, will the conclusion be totally suppressed? I bet so.
Well since we have so much trust in the NIH, CDC, NIAID and the AMA, shouldn't we just not question what we are being told? Follow the science and all that?
Post by: Rush on June 14, 2022, 08:22:38 AM
Well since we have so much trust in the NIH, CDC, NIAID and the AMA, shouldn't we just not question what we are being told? Follow the science and all that?
Yeah that’s the trouble. Those are the organizations we’d look to to do the investigation and they are all compromised and corrupt.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2022, 08:31:27 AM
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/u-s-health-secretary-has-covid-for-second-time-in-25-days/
Post by: jb1842 on June 14, 2022, 08:49:06 AM
Post by: Rush on June 14, 2022, 08:58:29 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2022, 09:24:36 AM
However those who got the scam vaccine now have to deal with getting covid often, at varying levels.
BTW, last night ended up watching Mission Impossible 2 (which I've never seen). This movie came out 22 years ago, but the plot involves a pharmaceutical that comes up with a virus, and then comes up with the vaccine. And the evil CEO goes on about "all the money to be made".
Post by: Number7 on June 14, 2022, 09:53:30 AM
Being a pure blood I had covid once, and it was nothing more than a 3 day mild cold.
However those who got the scam vaccine now have to deal with getting covid often, at varying levels.
BTW, last night ended up watching Mission Impossible 2 (which I've never seen). This movie came out 22 years ago, but the plot involves a pharmaceutical that comes up with a virus, and then comes up with the vaccine. And the evil CEO goes on about "all the money to be made".
Was the motherfucker named fauci?
Post by: Rush on June 14, 2022, 10:12:03 AM
Being a pure blood I had covid once, and it was nothing more than a 3 day mild cold.
However those who got the scam vaccine now have to deal with getting covid often, at varying levels.
BTW, last night ended up watching Mission Impossible 2 (which I've never seen). This movie came out 22 years ago, but the plot involves a pharmaceutical that comes up with a virus, and then comes up with the vaccine. And the evil CEO goes on about "all the money to be made".
It gave Biden, Fauci, and the CCP the idea.
There is a reason we quit getting sick as we get older. Little kids are germ factories, always snotty always getting sick, every other week they come down with some germ, and they give them to young parents. I had constant sinus infections when I was raising my kids. No more. I still have allergies but I hardly ever get sick anymore with a pathogen. I had the flu one time I think it was 2017. It was years and years before then I so much as had a cold.
Why? Because all those colds and flu you got while a kid and young adult made you immune. Nothing is better than natural immunity. In older adulthood you have a lifetime of exposure to all these germs and a very strong resistance to them. Maybe when very old and frail you get weak again and succumb. That’s why I have no problem giving the vaccine to the elderly if they want it. Maybe it does reduce their symptoms and suffering if they get the disease, and because their immune systems are old and winding down anyway, they possibly don’t mount as good a natural immunity as they used to.
The entire vaccine political war would have been no issue at all if they had recommended it for ONLY the very old and the immunocompromised or extremely obese. Just left the rest of us the fuck alone. Get it if you want, or not. But by denying people their livelihood for not getting vaxxed is unconstitutional, immoral and unforgivable. We are not talking about the Black Death with a 30% kill rate. But the drug companies got real greedy, old and sick people weren’t enough, we have to force it on everyone. Now they are coming up with a version for kids under 5. Give me a break. Kids under five have the best strongest immune response of all, and now you are going to deny them that benefit by forcing on them an inferior form of immunity, to one spike protein instead of all the virus components. For corporate greed. It is unconscionable.
Natural immunity to Covid is far superior to the vaccine, a fact being suppressed in the media.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 14, 2022, 10:28:39 AM
It gave Biden, Fauci, and the CCP the idea.
...
actually, there are plenty of novels about such a scheme.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2022, 01:39:14 PM
Quote
As more and more people around the world share their stories of COVID vaccine injuries, the inevitable question becomes: what’s really in the experimental shots? This is not an academic question. In fact, it’s going to be the single most important question in medicine and public health policy for the next 50 years because we’ve just forced billions of people into a medical experiment.
People are beginning to acknowledge these COVID vaccine side effects (despite the gaslighting of the medical community and the federal government) and even celebrities are admitting to these issues. For example, Justin Bieber now has facial paralysis — and his wife recently survived a massive blood clot in her brain that led to a stroke. Neither of them has said that the COVID vaccines are responsible — but who are we kidding anymore? Are those typical medical issues for a couple in their 20s?
Senior citizens are suddenly dying. Middle-aged people are suddenly dying. Even healthy young people are suddenly dying. In fact, the corrupt media is trying to create a syndrome called “Sudden Adult Death Syndrome” to hide the toxicity of the COVID vaccines. What could cause thousands of young people to have heart problems so severe that they die suddenly?
It turns out that a material called graphene oxide has been widely studied and tested in the biomedical industry — and its presence in the experimental COVID vaccines may explain the sudden increase in deadly blood clots around the world.
The links between nanotechnology and graphene oxide are well established in scientific literature. Graphene and graphene oxide are being developed and used as nanomaterials for medical applications — this is beyond dispute. Countless research papers can be found online: my quick search of scholarly articles using the search terms “graphene oxide” and “medicine” turned up 245,000 entries.
The problem is that graphene-based materials are toxic to biological life. In fact, the cancer-causing properties of graphene-based nanoparticles have already been studied and published. The results of injecting graphene oxide into mice are awful — as this study shows.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 14, 2022, 03:07:23 PM
A web quick check indicates the origin of this claim is this report from last year (someone's unauthorized translation to English):
https://www.docdroid.net/Ov1M99x/official-interim-report-in-english-university-of-almeria-pdf (https://www.docdroid.net/Ov1M99x/official-interim-report-in-english-university-of-almeria-pdf)
The identification seems to be made based mostly on UV absorption spectrum. No one else seems to have replicated or otherwise confirmed this singular analysis.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2022, 03:20:53 PM
Graphene oxide is not listed as an ingredient in any of the mRNA vaccine manufacturer's disclosures to the FDA. It would therefore be big regulatory violation if it were in them.
I believe the article made that point.
A web quick check indicates the origin of this claim is this report from last year (someone's unauthorized translation to English):
https://www.docdroid.net/Ov1M99x/official-interim-report-in-english-university-of-almeria-pdf (https://www.docdroid.net/Ov1M99x/official-interim-report-in-english-university-of-almeria-pdf)
The identification seems to be made based mostly on UV absorption spectrum. No one else seems to have replicated or otherwise confirmed this singular analysis.
And the pharmaceuticals have been so transparent in providing research and manufacturing information.
You know, it will take them 75 years to get back to us......... ::)
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 14, 2022, 03:44:32 PM
I believe the article made that point.
And the pharmaceuticals have been so transparent in providing research and manufacturing information.
You know, it will take them 75 years to get back to us......... ::)
Anyone with the appropriate lab equipment, expertise, and a sample could confirm or deny the presence of graphene oxide - no one need (or should) be relying on the company to perform such tests.
On one hand fact checkers say the claim is false - but without attempting an analysis themselves.
On the other hand the proponents ignore that the study has important qualifiers that indicate the finding is uncertain and other more definitive tests and samples would better resolve the issue.
The Pfizer vaccine was developed and tested under the Trump administration. Wouldn't the failure to catch this violation fall under his admin's watch?
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2022, 04:07:33 PM
Anyone with the appropriate lab equipment, expertise, and a sample could confirm or deny the presence of graphene oxide - no one need (or should) be relying on the company to perform such tests.
On one hand fact checkers say the claim is false - but without attempting an analysis themselves.
On the other hand the proponents ignore that the study has important qualifiers that indicate the finding is uncertain and other more definitive tests and samples would better resolve the issue.
The Pfizer vaccine was developed and tested under the Trump administration. Wouldn't the failure to catch this violation fall under his admin's watch?
So blaming the administration is the answer????? The administration has agencies that are charged to oversee this, but as we have seen these agencies would rather defer to the pharmaceuticals and not do an independent review.
And we've seen money flowing to certain agency heads from the pharmaceuticals, so hey, no need to question that either.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 14, 2022, 04:42:26 PM
So blaming the administration is the answer????? The administration has agencies that are charged to oversee this, but as we have seen these agencies would rather defer to the pharmaceuticals and not do an independent review.
And we've seen money flowing to certain agency heads from the pharmaceuticals, so hey, no need to question that either.
In my opinion the FDA should be shut down. If not shut down, then only act as a third party that medical drug and equipment makers can voluntarily submit their products (for a price) for testing for either efficacy or safety or both. The FDA would then certify what they discovered, good or bad. A drug manufacturer could sell certified or uncertified products - labeled or advertised accordingly. The consumer would need to choose their level of risk/reward. The makers would be liable for claims that proved false, unlike vaccine makers today.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2022, 04:45:16 PM
Post by: Rush on June 14, 2022, 04:48:18 PM
Post by: Rush on June 15, 2022, 06:04:08 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 15, 2022, 06:39:28 AM
At DFW. Maybe 1 in 50 people I see are wearing a mask. Heck less than that. I wonder what RDU will be like?
Hard to say, RDU is blue territory.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 15, 2022, 06:43:18 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 15, 2022, 06:44:43 AM
https://pierrekory.substack.com/p/nursing-reports-from-the-front-lines
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2022, 07:36:49 AM
I remain extremely grateful not to have gotten the vaxes.
https://pierrekory.substack.com/p/nursing-reports-from-the-front-lines
Same here. But the pure bloods are becoming the new whipping children of those who demand total compliance no matter how silly or ridiculous.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 15, 2022, 08:41:14 AM
Same here. But the pure bloods are becoming the new whipping children of those who demand total compliance no matter how silly or ridiculous.
The argument that the unvaxxed are causing problems for the vaxxed seems to have vanished. I suppose compliance with medical/political tyranny is all they have left.
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2022, 08:53:52 AM
The argument that the unvaxxed are causing problems for the vaxxed seems to have vanished. I suppose compliance with medical/political tyranny is all they have left.
Doesn't matter in their world. "Do as you are told" is their only mantra. These fuckwads are losing their mind over abortion (My body! My choice!) but in a sentence afterwards want to demand experimental medical procedures to be MANDATORY.
And the Canadians today are changing the definition (again) of vaccinated now means 3 shots. For a vaccine that doesn't work.
Unfuckingbelivable.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on June 15, 2022, 09:40:32 AM
Doesn't matter in their world. "Do as you are told" is their only mantra. These fuckwads are losing their mind over abortion (My body! My choice!) but in a sentence afterwards want to demand experimental medical procedures to be MANDATORY.
And the Canadians today are changing the definition (again) of vaccinated now means 3 shots. For a vaccine that doesn't work.
Unfuckingbelivable.
Fuck Canada. I'll never go there again for any reason.
Post by: Anthony on June 15, 2022, 10:38:23 AM
Fuck Canada. I'll never go there again for any reason.
I'm with you unless they change drastically and dump the Fascist dictator and Commie mentality. I used to go there on business and I'd ski Whistler/Blackcomb each year in BC. No more..
See what happens when there's no 2A? Utter tyranny. That's where many that were loyal to the Crown fled during the Revolutionary War.
Post by: elwood blues on June 15, 2022, 10:49:51 AM
Do you remember the way they treated Americans when covid first hit? You could not drive up there with US plates on your car. I don't think I'll ever go back.
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2022, 11:58:23 AM
So is this why fedgov and Pope Tony want everyone vaccinated so bad? Have they created something that will guarantee vaccine sales for years to come?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 15, 2022, 12:08:38 PM
So people given the vaccine are getting covid over and over, while the purebloods aren't being affected (the whole natural immunity thing that Pope Tony claims doesn't exist).
So is this why fedgov and Pope Tony want everyone vaccinated so bad? Have they created something that will guarantee vaccine sales for years to come?
Keep up. If you’re unvaccinated and had Covid, you’re dead. The multiple-vaxxed people are getting Covid again and again because they didn’t die.
Get vaxxed or die.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 15, 2022, 12:23:07 PM
Post by: Username on June 15, 2022, 12:36:57 PM
Yet they seem to be OK with tyranny (same with Australia and especially New Zealand), something that caught me by suprise.And they are content with destroying General Aviation. ADSB isn't enough. You need to install SATELLITE ADSB to fly in controlled airspace. Which is everything except Class G.
Do you remember the way they treated Americans when covid first hit? You could not drive up there with US plates on your car. I don't think I'll ever go back.
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2022, 12:37:51 PM
where are the stats on repeat infections?
Haven't watched the news lately? Several high profile people, vaxed and boosted, are getting covid again.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 15, 2022, 12:41:14 PM
Haven't watched the news lately? Several high profile people, vaxed and boosted, are getting covid again.
looking for stats, not individual stories.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 15, 2022, 01:15:07 PM
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2022, 01:25:24 PM
looking for stats, not individual stories.
Then go do some research.
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2022, 01:26:39 PM
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status
Yea, we all can trust anything the CDC puts out!
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 15, 2022, 01:53:52 PM
Then go do some research.
you are the one making claims, but I guess you can do so without evidence backing up your claims.
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2022, 03:39:26 PM
you are the one making claims, but I guess you can do so without evidence backing up your claims.
I was quite clear on the premise I made my remarks.
As for you
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fgifimage.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F06%2Fswing-and-miss-gif-4.gif&f=1&nofb=1)
Post by: Number7 on June 15, 2022, 03:44:32 PM
you are the one making claims, but I guess you can do so without evidence backing up your claims.
Are you dull, intellectually lazy, or just dense?
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 15, 2022, 04:55:05 PM
Yea, we all can trust anything the CDC puts out!
The CDC data is sourced from individual jurisdictions, "blue" and "red", so unless you can show the data was falsified in all those jurisdictions or was falsified at the CDC, your sarcasm is baseless.
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2022, 05:29:57 PM
The CDC data is sourced from individual jurisdictions, "blue" and "red", so unless you can show the data was falsified in all those jurisdictions or was falsified at the CDC, your sarcasm is baseless.
And you assumption is baseless as well. We've already been witness to the CDC manipulating data, and outright lying to the public. The CDC and the whackadoodle that runs it have shown repeatedly that they are extremely partisan and unreliable.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 15, 2022, 06:27:00 PM
And you assumption is baseless as well. We've already been witness to the CDC manipulating data, and outright lying to the public. The CDC and the whackadoodle that runs it have shown repeatedly that they are extremely partisan and unreliable.
How about the Texas Department of State Health Services as a source?
COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status Dashboard (https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx)
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2022, 07:22:28 PM
How about the Texas Department of State Health Services as a source?
COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status Dashboard (https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx)
IIRC, there was a problem there as well with how they were manipulating data.
Post by: Number7 on June 15, 2022, 07:41:08 PM
IIRC, there was a problem there as well with how they were manipulating data.
The state of Florida Health Dept had a real problem with inflated covid numbers and a state official that simply made up a bunch of statistics to make it look worse.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 15, 2022, 07:46:14 PM
IIRC, there was a problem there as well with how they were manipulating data.
Well how about:
West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources (click on Breakthrough Cases to see comparative graph) (https://dhhr.wv.gov/COVID-19/Pages/default.aspx)
Or South Dakota:
South Dakota Department of Health, COVID-19 Mortality Vaccination Report (https://doh.sd.gov/documents/statistics/Mortality-Vaccination-Report-12-30-2021.pdf)
I'm selecting very red states on the theory that they can't all be making things up for political purpose.
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2022, 08:00:47 PM
Well how about:
West Virginia Department of Health and Human Resources (click on Breakthrough Cases to see comparative graph) (https://dhhr.wv.gov/COVID-19/Pages/default.aspx)
Or South Dakota:
South Dakota Department of Health, COVID-19 Mortality Vaccination Report (https://doh.sd.gov/documents/statistics/Mortality-Vaccination-Report-12-30-2021.pdf)
I'm selecting very red states on the theory that they can't all be making things up for political purpose.
The magnitude of money being made from the COVID scam is/was staggering. The COVID money from the government incentivized medical providers to label anything and everything COVID. The pharmaceuticals were pouring money into this as well to get desired “data” to strengthen their positions. A resultant of this is we are left with extremely flawed and manipulated data, and probably will never know the truth.
The scamdemic wasn’t liberal or conservative. It was criminal.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 15, 2022, 08:07:19 PM
The magnitude of money being made from the COVID scam is/was staggering. The COVID money from the government incentivized medical providers to label anything and everything COVID. The pharmaceuticals were pouring money into this as well to get desired “data” to strengthen their positions. A resultant of this is we are left with extremely flawed and manipulated data, and probably will never know the truth.
The scamdemic wasn’t liberal or conservative. It was criminal.
That sure is a lot of unsupported claims to cram into one paragraph. The "probably will never know the truth" is a nice way to cap it all off.
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2022, 08:15:19 PM
That sure is a lot of unsupported claims to cram into one paragraph. The "probably will never know the truth" is a nice way to cap it all off.
So far you haven’t shown anything substantial except for a bunch of dubious data. “But it’s from a government agency, therefor it must be true”. ::)
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 15, 2022, 08:44:51 PM
So far you haven’t shown anything substantial except for a bunch of dubious data. “But it’s from a government agency, therefor it must be true”. ::)
Your position is "But it's from a government agency, therefor it must be false."
You claim, using only innuendo, that the CDC data is presumed falsified. So I provisionally accept that and locate the equivalent data gathered by some states whose governments are controlled by conservatives. The result is that I now know just how deep your paranoia extends. I wont trouble you with further data of any sort.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 15, 2022, 09:05:40 PM
The tests are unreliable. This is well known, but not taken into account in any “official” figures that I’ve seen. Oddly, officials have admitted the tests are unreliable, but they keep churning out figures based on them.
No risk/benefit analysis taking vaccine injury into account is shown in any “official” figures I’ve seen. All we are told is that VAERS is self reporting and therefore unreliable. And that the vaccines are SAFE AND EFFECTIVE.
Where are the robust studies recording and cataloging and analyzing vaccine injuries? As I recall you were injured by your vax, with tinnitus. What I AM seeing is frustrated health care workers reporting that they can’t break through the glassy stare from doctors and administrators when the injuries are reported.
Have you been looking into the case numbers of myocarditis, stroke, sudden death, cancer … as they compare to normal? I have two personal stories of vax injuries and cannot pretend they were normal or caused by anything else.
Why are mask and vaccine mandates disappearing? Businesses in my town that once required proof of vaccination no longer do. Yet, “official” numbers seem to indicate a deadly virus is afoot.
People who say “This doesn’t add up” are demonized. You could find perfect weather on all aviation local weather reporting, but still look at the sky on flight day and say “no go.” Numbers and statistics have a purpose but they are not a workable refuge from reality.
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2022, 11:49:13 PM
Your position is "But it's from a government agency, therefor it must be false."
You claim, using only innuendo, that the CDC data is presumed falsified. So I provisionally accept that and locate the equivalent data gathered by some states whose governments are controlled by conservatives. The result is that I now know just how deep your paranoia extends. I wont trouble you with further data of any sort.
LOL…Right. ::)
Post by: Number7 on June 16, 2022, 03:20:14 AM
Sounds like good, sound, scientific bullshit to me.
I guess the ice age never happened either to put it in Jim's logic.
Post by: Anthony on June 16, 2022, 03:23:06 AM
Post by: Rush on June 16, 2022, 03:48:35 AM
How about the Texas Department of State Health Services as a source?
COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status Dashboard (https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status.aspx)
I have no problem believing that is true, that if you are unvaccinated you have a higher chance of dying. But that is exactly why, if you survive, you have much superior immunity.
The data is pretty convincing that the vaccine does result in milder illness. The problem is that it wears off in 3 months, requiring the endless boosters, and the side effects of the vaccine are not being investigated objectively. The risks of the vaccine side effects could be greater than the risk of Covid itself in certain groups, such as children and young adult males.
When we say, “the vaccine doesn’t work”, what is true as far as I can see is that it doesn’t work to prevent you from getting Covid. We were misled into believing it would. And it doesn’t work very long. But if you are vaxxed and get Covid within 3 to 6 months, you will reduce your chance of dying. But if you were never vaxxed and got Covid and survive, your immune system will have much stronger and longer lasting immunity.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 16, 2022, 05:17:02 AM
I just wanted to be labeled as a conspiracy theorist.
Also, a close friend in the EAA Chapter, fully vaccinated, spent thee days in the hospital with blood clots in his lungs. Another conspiracy theory because, you know, we;ve not heard of any other cases of blood clots.
Post by: Lucifer on June 16, 2022, 05:21:35 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 16, 2022, 05:22:30 AM
Jim and I both know someone, a fifty-seven year old male, runner, cycler, workout every morning at the gym never once since I'd know him did he mention cholesterol or heart problems, and there were discussions of those in which he had a chance to speak up, May 13th, dropped dead of a heart attack. Fully vaccinated. No autopsy that I am aware of and obviously no proof of the cause of death.
I just wanted to be labeled as a conspiracy theorist.
Also, a close friend in the EAA Chapter, fully vaccinated, spent thee days in the hospital with blood clots in his lungs. Another conspiracy theory because, you know, we;ve not heard of any other cases of blood clots.
"Safe and effective"
Post by: Rush on June 16, 2022, 05:29:11 AM
Hard to say, RDU is blue territory.
Almost no one at RDU wore a mask either that I recall but I forgot to pay attention to it. I got into a conversation with my seat mate when we landed (after ignoring each other the whole flight) and talked to him the whole time we were waiting at baggage claim. I love when that happens. No idea what your name is and will never see you again but felt like I made a new best friend.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 16, 2022, 06:31:40 AM
I have no problem believing that is true, that if you are unvaccinated you have a higher chance of dying. But that is exactly why, if you survive, you have much superior immunity.
The data is pretty convincing that the vaccine does result in milder illness. The problem is that it wears off in 3 months, requiring the endless boosters, and the side effects of the vaccine are not being investigated objectively. The risks of the vaccine side effects could be greater than the risk of Covid itself in certain groups, such as children and young adult males.
When we say, “the vaccine doesn’t work”, what is true as far as I can see is that it doesn’t work to prevent you from getting Covid. We were misled into believing it would. And it doesn’t work very long. But if you are vaxxed and get Covid within 3 to 6 months, you will reduce your chance of dying. But if you were never vaxxed and got Covid and survive, your immune system will have much stronger and longer lasting immunity.
Exactly. The mandating of the vax in any setting was diabolical insanity. Natural immunity counted for nothing. You’re fired for not signing on to an endless regime of boosters. Forget religious exemptions, which also counted for nothing … even medical exemptions rarely were granted. I have personal stories about that as well.
And it’s still experimental, and still liability free for the pharmaceutical grifters. They conspired to get Comirnity approved by the FDA but Comirnity is not available anywhere in the United States or, I believe, the world. It was approved to give the impression all the vaccines now were approved!
I even had a friend ask me if, now that the vaccines were FDA approved and no longer experimental, I’d get the shots. I’m certain she didn’t believe me when I said there were no Covid vaccines available as she described.
I know two PhD statisticians, a husband and wife, who quit their lucrative jobs here at a national laboratory and moved to Helena, Montana rather than get the mandated shots.
No.
Post by: Lucifer on June 16, 2022, 06:35:52 AM
Exactly. The mandating of the vax in any setting was diabolical insanity. Natural immunity counted for nothing. You’re fired for not signing on to an endless regime of boosters. Forget religious exemptions, which also counted for nothing … even medical exemptions rarely were granted. I have personal stories about that as well.
And it’s still experimental, and still liability free for the pharmaceutical grifters. They conspired to get Comirnity approved by the FDA but Comirnity is not available anywhere in the United States or, I believe, the world. It was approved to give the impression all the vaccines now were approved!
I even had a friend ask me if, now that the vaccines were FDA approved and no longer experimental, I’d get the shots. I’m certain she didn’t believe me when I said there were no Covid vaccines available as she described.
I know two PhD statisticians, a husband and wife, who quit their lucrative jobs here at a national laboratory and moved to Helena, Montana rather than get the mandated shots.
No.
But the government would never lie or collude with the pharmaceuticals. They only had everyone's health and well being in mind!
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 16, 2022, 06:39:21 AM
But the government would never lie or collude with the pharmaceuticals. They only had everyone's health and well being in mind!
This week I saw the attempt to make a case that, because the pharmaceutical companies had contracts with the government, the vaccines could not be problematic!!! Hahahaha!!!
The victory of the Hispanic Republican woman in Texas shows that trust in government is at an all time low.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 16, 2022, 06:44:01 AM
This interview would convince diehard Covidiots that something strange is afoot. But they won’t take the time to think hard and follow for the minutes required,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLp9YMM7CI4&feature=youtu.be
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 16, 2022, 06:54:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY0fTNdCX2w
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 16, 2022, 06:59:45 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/health/medical/severe-covid-19-rare-in-unvaccinated-people-survey-reveals/ar-AAYr5fF?li=AAggNb9
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 16, 2022, 07:01:29 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 16, 2022, 07:02:44 AM
How unbiased can I be!!! Dr. Brett Weinstein is a liberal, and I’m presenting this as the most coherent discussion about our two years of Covid insanity I’ve heard to date.
This interview would convince diehard Covidiots that something strange is afoot. But they won’t take the time to think hard and follow for the minutes required,
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dLp9YMM7CI4&feature=youtu.be
But do you have a link to the data? ::) :o
Post by: Lucifer on June 16, 2022, 07:03:46 AM
Pope Tony says it's just a conspiracy. Ya know, bush meat and all................
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 16, 2022, 11:02:35 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 16, 2022, 12:13:01 PM
Looks like Fauci was scheduled to testify today before a Senate committee about the pandemic. Interesting that he came down with Covid yesterday.
Amazing!!!
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 17, 2022, 05:35:14 AM
Post by: Rush on June 17, 2022, 06:37:47 AM
17 June 2022 Dilbert:
Somebody at my husband’s work did that and they found out he lied and fired him.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 19, 2022, 06:38:27 AM
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/this-4-min-video-should-be-mandatory
Post by: Username on June 19, 2022, 06:48:53 AM
Looks like Fauci was scheduled to testify today before a Senate committee about the pandemic. Interesting that he came down with Covid yesterday.Perhaps he'll try to die just to prove that Covid is deadly?
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 19, 2022, 07:51:20 PM
I keep checking to see if Jim has replied to any of our latest posts here in response to the data he shared. Meanwhile, the drug lords are up to their data-manipulating tricks again. Now going for babies.
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/this-4-min-video-should-be-mandatory
I didn't agree with the claim that the vaccines weren't effective for saving lives or that the CDC stats were manipulated to show effectiveness over unvaccinated. So I posted what I could find that disputed that. I could add more sources and arguments but that would probably be beating the proverbial dead horse. Not going to do that if it looks like it loses friends.
I've always said that vaccination mandates or any other pressures to be vaccinated were authoritarian evils not to be tolerated. And I agree that the risks to children and young people aren't worth the claimed benefits even when there are no mandates. Naive parents are being needlessly pressured.
Hopefully that makes my positions clearer.
Post by: Lucifer on June 20, 2022, 06:24:22 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 20, 2022, 06:28:30 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 20, 2022, 09:34:06 AM
I didn't agree with the claim that the vaccines weren't effective for saving lives or that the CDC stats were manipulated to show effectiveness over unvaccinated. So I posted what I could find that disputed that. I could add more sources and arguments but that would probably be beating the proverbial dead horse. Not going to do that if it looks like it loses friends.
I've always said that vaccination mandates or any other pressures to be vaccinated were authoritarian evils not to be tolerated. And I agree that the risks to children and young people aren't worth the claimed benefits even when there are no mandates. Naive parents are being needlessly pressured.
Hopefully that makes my positions clearer.
Yes, thanks. You don’t address the dangers of the vaccine, evidence of which is piling up daily and even spilling into the mainstream. Or the problem of the very short time the “effectiveness” lasts, especially against the known risks of repeated frequent vaccinations, especially with experimental injectables.
Post by: Lucifer on June 20, 2022, 11:00:24 AM
Yes, thanks. You don’t address the dangers of the vaccine, evidence of which is piling up daily and even spilling into the mainstream. Or the problem of the very short time the “effectiveness” lasts, especially against the known risks of repeated frequent vaccinations, especially with experimental injectables.
What I find interesting is Pfizer is not going to produce the FDA "approved" version of the vaccine. Seems once they start using the FDA approved version then Pfizer becomes liable. Using the EUA version shields them from liability (for now).
That is telling in itself. That and all the effort that went in to trying top hide data from the public.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 20, 2022, 11:30:18 AM
yup.
Nothing.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 20, 2022, 11:53:05 AM
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/cdc-releases-aggressively-stupid
Post by: Number7 on June 20, 2022, 12:21:21 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 20, 2022, 01:14:16 PM
Yes, thanks. You don’t address the dangers of the vaccine, evidence of which is piling up daily and even spilling into the mainstream. Or the problem of the very short time the “effectiveness” lasts, especially against the known risks of repeated frequent vaccinations, especially with experimental injectables.
I only posted disputing claims of ineffectiveness of vaccination vs unvaccinated because sources other than the CDC indicate they are effective, particularly for ages over 60 and people with comorbidities. Not going to defend any claims the vaccines are safe in any absolute sense. Since CDC stats, including their public-submitted VAERS events, are considered suspect here there aren't any other sources of aggregated data (that I know of) to say anything meaningful. So anecdotes rule the day.
As to my own case of tinnitus, I found this article: SARS-CoV-2 vaccine-associated-tinnitus: A review (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8788157/)
The section discussing causation by molecular mimicry seems to suggest I would likely have gotten tinnitus had I gotten Covid-19.
Also discovered one of the articles that cited that one discusses something I'd never heard of: "transcranial magnetic stimulation". Pfizer–BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine-associated tinnitus and treatment with transcranial magnetic stimulation (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9129164/)
Post by: Lucifer on June 21, 2022, 04:41:55 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 21, 2022, 04:50:44 PM
Quote
“We need more money. We don’t just need more money for vaccines for children, we need more money to plan for the second pandemic. There’s gonna be another pandemic,” said Biden.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 22, 2022, 09:02:25 AM
I only posted disputing claims of ineffectiveness of vaccination vs unvaccinated because sources other than the CDC indicate they are effective, particularly for ages over 60 and people with comorbidities. Not going to defend any claims the vaccines are safe in any absolute sense. Since CDC stats, including their public-submitted VAERS events, are considered suspect here there aren't any other sources of aggregated data (that I know of) to say anything meaningful. So anecdotes rule the day
Do you think having only one “approved” or “reliable” or “government endorsed” set of data to go by on an issue this enormous is suspicious and could indicate suppression of conflicting yet real-world information?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 22, 2022, 10:14:18 AM
One of my sisters has been absolutely freaked out by covid, masking up, telling others to wear a mask, sanitizing EVERYTHING, etc, etc, etc
After getting her 2nd booster (Moderna iirc), she felt like ca-rap for a few days... now she is saying she won't bother getting another booster if (when!) one becomes available... light may be dawning for some people... albeit slower/later than for others.
Post by: Lucifer on June 22, 2022, 12:30:57 PM
https://uncoverdc.com/2022/06/20/cdc-now-targeting-20-million-u-s-infants-young-kids-for-covid-jab/
Quote
Following an emergency meeting on Saturday, June 18, 2022, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky supported the FDA’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) unanimous recommendation that infants and children as young as six months through five years should be vaccinated against COVID-19. The endorsement ignores many important questions and opens the door for nearly 20 million additional jabs into the arms of America’s children.
Post by: Lucifer on June 24, 2022, 05:39:31 AM
Post by: Number7 on June 24, 2022, 06:30:55 AM
Do you think having only one “approved” or “reliable” or “government endorsed” set of data to go by on an issue this enormous is suspicious and could indicate suppression of conflicting yet real-world information?
I'm CERTAIN that the only correct information is that which was provided by the benevolent government...
you know...
like unemployment statistics, job creation numbers, reliability of vaccines and the integrity of the fbi.
Post by: Anthony on June 24, 2022, 01:44:01 PM
I'm CERTAIN that the only correct information is that which was provided by the benevolent government...
you know...
like unemployment statistics, job creation numbers, reliability of vaccines and the integrity of the fbi.
Add INFLATION stats to that mix. I trust the U.S. Federales as much as the governments of East Germany, Cuba, the Soviet Union, China, the Empire of Japan, Venezuela, the Klingons, the Romulins, Rome, the Vatican....
Post by: Number7 on June 24, 2022, 02:13:33 PM
Add INFLATION stats to that mix. I trust the U.S. Federales as much as the governments of East Germany, Cuba, the Soviet Union, China, the Empire of Japan, Venezuela, the Klingons, the Romulins, Rome, the Vatican....
But Jim does... and so do a lot of faux moderates.
Post by: Anthony on June 24, 2022, 03:28:30 PM
At least Jim has the balls to make arguments and discuss his positions. Most do not. Nor do I see him as a committed Leftist.
Post by: Lucifer on June 28, 2022, 06:46:39 PM
Post by: Lucifer on June 29, 2022, 06:10:12 AM
Post by: Number7 on June 29, 2022, 06:30:21 AM
It is all they have, with the exception of lies, racism, violence, and hate....
arson...
bullying...
sexual abuse...
ignorance...
Post by: Number7 on June 29, 2022, 07:04:15 AM
(https://media.babylonbee.com/articles/62bb348ed6d9562bb348ed6d96.jpg)
https://babylonbee.com/news/elmo-dies-of-myocarditis-after-receiving-covid-vaccine
Post by: Lucifer on June 30, 2022, 06:23:31 AM
(https://offthepress.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/AP_22011587031130-scaled.jpg)
Post by: nddons on July 03, 2022, 05:25:13 PM
I concur. 7 is off base here.
At least Jim has the balls to make arguments and discuss his positions. Most do not. Nor do I see him as a committed Leftist.
Post by: Lucifer on July 05, 2022, 12:54:56 PM
Post by: Lucifer on July 06, 2022, 04:13:58 AM
Post by: Rush on July 06, 2022, 04:51:28 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 06, 2022, 05:02:48 AM
The covid "vaccines" (which aren't really vaccines) are beyond idiotic at this point, and their only purpose is to keep profits up for big pharma.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 06, 2022, 05:31:17 AM
https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/pfizers-history-of-fraud-corruption
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 06, 2022, 05:35:41 AM
I wonder if the unvaxxed are not catching Covid because they just aren’t testing for it. As it happens I got a bad cold last week and am now over it. I didn’t test myself for Covid because I don’t give a fuck. Who cares if it is Covid or some other cold virus. Same difference now that the variant has devolved into a weaker disease. I am vaxxed (but not boosted) but if I weren’t vaxxed then it would appear that the unvaxxed aren’t getting Covid only because maybe the unvaxxed are more likely to say “this is bullshit, I’m not wasting my time getting tested,” when they get the sniffles.
Same with us, in February. The tests are unreliable and only keep the fear stoked. Not going to donate to that racket. I even have some ivermectin and remember thinking I could take some. But I didn’t because my overwhelming instinct was to let my immune system do its job. Which it did.
Post by: Lucifer on July 06, 2022, 05:47:35 AM
Given enough shady profits up front, and a corrupt justice system, you can buy your way out of anything apparently.
https://kanekoa.substack.com/p/pfizers-history-of-fraud-corruption
Which brings up an interesting point. Pfizer gained FDA approval for their covid vaccine and called it Comirnaty. Yet, it's not being produced or made available to the public, instead Pfizer keeps supplying the unapproved version under the EUA.
Why? One would think Pfizer would be cranking out their new wonder drug for everyone, well, because, ya know......it's "safe and effective". Hmmmmm
Maybe Pfizer knows that using the experimental version under the EUA shields them from liability and lawsuits.
It's all a shell game.
Post by: Lucifer on July 06, 2022, 05:55:26 AM
Quote
Dr. Mikael Dolsten described immunocompromised patients as an “opportunity growth area” during the investor call. Pfizer is now approaching Paxlovid’s failure to neutralize the virus as an opportunity to give patients more courses
“[They] may carry this virus for a very, very long time,” he said. “And we see that area as a real new opportunity growth area for Paxlovid to do very well, where you may need to take multiple courses.”
Quote
According to Kaiser Health News, the company doubled its revenue from 2020 to 2021, bringing in more than $81 billion, and also gained a significant foothold in the American regulatory process.
The company’s projected revenue in 2022 is $50 billion from the vaccine and Paxlovid.
Post by: Rush on July 06, 2022, 06:22:41 AM
Same with us, in February. The tests are unreliable and only keep the fear stoked. Not going to donate to that racket. I even have some ivermectin and remember thinking I could take some. But I didn’t because my overwhelming instinct was to let my immune system do its job. Which it did.
That’s the other thing, the tests are unreliable. They have false positives and false negatives. If I’d taken the test and it was positive I still wouldn’t have known for certain I had Covid. It could be a false positive yet I would have felt some kind of zomg I’m Typhoid Mary paranoia for no reason. Or if it was negative but a false negative and I really had Covid then I would have assumed I never had it but been wrong.
What’s the point? I’d rather just let it remain Schrodinger’s box. Leave it unopened. I both had Covid and didn’t have Covid. It makes no goddamned difference either way. It is long past the point we need to get the hell off this, just drop it. It’s now an endemic cold no different from all the other cold and flu bugs out there. Give it rest, quit with the panic porn, masks and “social distancing”. Jesus Christ enough already.
Post by: nddons on July 06, 2022, 06:31:08 AM
Natural immunity is a good thing, and very effective.I heard on the radio yesterday that some health “professional” was saying this latest strain (I think called the “keep people scared until the big scare happens right before the mid-term election” variant) is not helped by having natural immunity.
The covid "vaccines" (which aren't really vaccines) are beyond idiotic at this point, and their only purpose is to keep profits up for big pharma.
So of course for the first time, they are admitting there’s such a thing as natural immunity, only to tell us it is of no help.
Post by: Rush on July 06, 2022, 07:03:08 AM
I heard on the radio yesterday that some health “professional” was saying this latest strain (I think called the “keep people scared until the big scare happens right before the mid-term election” variant) is not helped by having natural immunity.
So of course for the first time, they are admitting there’s such a thing as natural immunity, only to tell us it is of no help.
Right. They’ve been telling us so much upside down bullshit for so long now they have zero credibility. None.
Post by: Anthony on July 06, 2022, 07:05:17 AM
I heard on the radio yesterday that some health “professional” was saying this latest strain (I think called the “keep people scared until the big scare happens right before the mid-term election” variant) is not helped by having natural immunity.
So of course for the first time, they are admitting there’s such a thing as natural immunity, only to tell us it is of no help.
How can it be "immunity" if you're not actually immune? These people are not only liars but also just plain dumb.
Post by: Lucifer on July 06, 2022, 07:40:26 AM
How can it be "immunity" if you're not actually immune? These people are not only liars but also just plain dumb.
“The science”……LOL
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 06, 2022, 07:43:06 AM
Post by: Rush on July 06, 2022, 08:18:14 AM
https://gab.com/TommyRobinsonOfficial/posts/108600162048789912
I want to see the results of his autopsy. I won’t hold my breath though, I doubt it will be released. The total close mouthed attitude of his family raises suspicion that it may have been something unsavory like drug overdose or suicide or autoerotic breath play. I’m not going to assume anything. I want facts one way or the other. Possibly they have no idea at this point. The only thing I could find was a statement that he died “in his sleep”. Normally in a healthy 32 year old that’s drug overdose, period. Very rarely you have an undiagnosed congenital aneurysm or heart defect that finally blows. If the autopsy finds nothing, at all, then that means heart arrhythmia and in that case I might suspect the vaccine. But even then that’s not proof, people died suddenly from that before Covid vaccines. You’d have to collect data to see if there’s a statistical rise in such deaths in those vaccinated compared to the unvaxxed which might well be the case. Trouble is I trust no one to do the objective investigation. No one. Everyone has an agenda one way or the other.
Post by: Lucifer on July 06, 2022, 10:30:05 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-19-vaccine-doses-once-in-high-demand-now-thrown-away-11657105202?mod=djemalertNEWSNo
What a deal! Just order more!!! (FJB already has)
Post by: Lucifer on July 14, 2022, 05:45:30 PM
U.S. Public Health Agencies Aren't ‘Following the Science,’ Officials Say
Quote
The calls and text messages are relentless. On the other end are doctors and scientists at the top levels of the NIH, FDA and CDC. They are variously frustrated, exasperated and alarmed about the direction of the agencies to which they have devoted their careers.
“It's like a horror movie I'm being forced to watch and I can't close my eyes,” one senior FDA official lamented. “People are getting bad advice and we can’t say anything.”
That particular FDA doctor was referring to two recent developments inside the agency. First, how, with no solid clinical data, the agency authorized Covid vaccines for infants and toddlers, including those who already had Covid. And second, the fact that just months before, the FDA bypassed their external experts to authorize booster shots for young children.
That doctor is hardly alone.
At the NIH, doctors and scientists complain to us about low morale and lower staffing: The NIH’s Vaccine Research Center has had many of its senior scientists leave over the last year, including the director, deputy director and chief medical officer. “They have no leadership right now. Suddenly there’s an enormous number of jobs opening up at the highest level positions,” one NIH scientist told us. (The people who spoke to us would only agree to be quoted anonymously, citing fear of professional repercussions.)
The CDC has experienced a similar exodus. “There’s been a large amount of turnover. Morale is low,” one high level official at the CDC told us. “Things have become so political, so what are we there for?” Another CDC scientist told us: “I used to be proud to tell people I work at the CDC. Now I’m embarrassed.”
Why are they embarrassed? In short, bad science.
The longer answer: that the heads of their agencies are using weak or flawed data to make critically important public health decisions. That such decisions are being driven by what’s politically palatable to people in Washington or to the Biden administration. And that they have a myopic focus on one virus instead of overall health.
Nowhere has this problem been clearer—or the stakes higher—than on official public health policy regarding children and Covid.
First, they demanded that young children be masked in schools. On this score, the agencies were wrong. Compelling studies later found schools that masked children had no different rates of transmission. And for social and linguistic development, children need to see the faces of others.
Next came school closures. The agencies were wrong—and catastrophically so. Poor and minority children suffered learning loss with an 11-point drop in math scores alone and a 20% drop in math pass rates. There are dozens of statistics of this kind.
Then they ignored natural immunity. Wrong again. The vast majority of children have already had Covid, but this has made no difference in the blanket mandates for childhood vaccines. And now, by mandating vaccines and boosters for young healthy people, with no strong supporting data, these agencies are only further eroding public trust.
One CDC scientist told us about her shame and frustration about what happened to American children during the pandemic: “CDC failed to balance the risks of Covid with other risks that come from closing schools,” she said. “Learning loss, mental health exacerbations were obvious early on and those worsened as the guidance insisted on keeping schools virtual. CDC guidance worsened racial equity for generations to come. It failed this generation of children.”
An official at the FDA put it this way: “I can’t tell you how many people at the FDA have told me, ‘I don't like any of this, but I just need to make it to my retirement.’”
Right now, internal critics of these agencies are focused on one issue above all: Why did the FDA and the CDC issue strong blanket recommendations for Covid vaccines in children?
Three weeks ago, the CDC vigorously recommended mRNA Covid vaccines for 20 million children under five years of age. Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, declared that the mRNA Covid vaccines should be given to everyone six months or older because they are safe and effective.
The trouble is that this sweeping recommendation was based on extremely weak, inconclusive data provided by Pfizer and Moderna.
Start with Pfizer. Using a three-dose vaccine in 992 children between the ages of six months and five years, Pfizer found no statistically significant evidence of vaccine efficacy. In the subgroup of children aged six months to two years, the trial found that the vaccine could result in a 99% lower chance of infection—but that they also could have a 370% increased chance of being infected. In other words, Pfizer reported a range of vaccine efficacy so wide that no conclusion could be inferred. No reputable medical journal would accept such sloppy and incomplete results with such a small sample size. More to the point, these results should have given pause to those who are in charge of public health.
Referring to Pfizer’s vaccine efficacy in healthy young children, one high-level CDC official—whose expertise is in the evaluation of clinical data—joked: “You can inject them with it or squirt it in their face, and you’ll get the same benefit.”
Moderna’s results—they conducted a study on 6,388 children with two doses—were not much better. Against asymptomatic infections, they claimed a very weak vaccine efficacy of just 4% in children aged six months to two years. They also claimed an efficacy of 23% in children between two and six years old—but neither result was statistically significant. Against symptomatic infections, Moderna’s vaccine did show efficacy that was statistically significant, but the efficacy was low: 50% in children aged six months to two years, and 42% in children between two and six years old.
Then there’s the matter of how long a vaccine gives protection. We know from data in adults that it’s generally a matter of months. But we have no such data for young children.
“It seems criminal that we put out the recommendation to give mRNA Covid vaccines to babies without good data. We really don’t know what the risks are yet. So why push it so hard?” a CDC physician added. A high-level FDA official felt the same way: “The public has no idea how bad this data really is. It would not pass muster for any other authorization.”
And yet, the FDA and the CDC pushed it through. That slap in the face of science may explain why only 2% of parents of children under age five have chosen to get the Covid vaccine, and 40% of parents in rural areas say their pediatricians did not recommend the Covid vaccine for their child.
This isn’t the first time that Covid vaccines recommendations based on scant evidence have been pushed through these agencies.
Most recently, back in May, the lack of clinical evidence for booster shots in young people created a stir at the FDA. The White House promoted it hard even before FDA regulators had seen any data. Once they saw the data, they weren’t impressed. It showed no clear benefit against severe disease for people under 40.
The FDA’s two top vaccine regulators—Dr. Marion Gruber, director of the FDA’s vaccine office, and her deputy director, Dr. Philip Krause—quit the agency last year over political pressure to authorize vaccine boosters in young people. After their departure they wrote scathing commentaries explaining why the data did not support a broad booster authorization, arguing in the Washington Post that “the push for boosters for everyone could actually prolong the pandemic,” citing concerns that boosting based on an outdated variant could be counterproductive.
“It felt like we were a political tool” a CDC scientist told us about the issue. That insider went on to explain that he got vaccinated early but chose not to get boosted based on the data. Ironically, that person was unable to go on a trip with a group of parents because proof of being boosted was required. “I asked for someone to show me the data. They said the policy was based on the CDC recommendation.”
As one NIH scientist told us: “There’s a silence, an unwillingness for agency scientists to say anything. Even though they know that some of what’s being said out of the agency is absurd.”
That was a theme we heard over and over again—people felt like they couldn’t speak freely, even internally within their agencies. “You get labeled based on what you say. If you talk about it you will suffer, I’m convinced,” an FDA staffer told us. Another person at that agency added: “If you speak honestly, you get treated differently.”
And so they remain quiet, speaking to each other in private or in text groups on Signal.
One subject these doctors and scientists feel passionately about but feel they cannot bring up is natural immunity. Why, they wonder, are we insisting on immunizing children who already have some immunity to the disease due to having contracted Covid?
As of February, 75% of children in the U.S. already had natural immunity from prior infection. It could easily be over 90% of children today given how ubiquitous Omicron has been since then. The CDC’s own research shows that natural immunity is better than vaccinated immunity and a recent New England Journal of Medicine study from Israel has questioned the benefits of vaccinating previously infected persons. Many countries have long credited natural immunity towards vaccine mandates. But not the U.S.
In this, the leaders of these American health agencies made the U.S. an international outlier in how it treats children. Sweden never offered vaccination to children under 12. Finland limits Covid vaccines to children under 12 who are at high risk. The Norwegian Institute of Public Health has appropriately stated that “some children may benefit” but “previous infection offers as good of protection as the vaccine against reinfection.” Denmark announced on June 22 that its recommendation to vaccinate any children under age 16 was a mistake. “The vaccinations were not predominantly recommended for the child’s sake but to ensure pandemic control,” said Søren Brostrøm, head of the Danish Ministry of Health.
It is statistically impossible for everyone who works inside of our health agencies to have 100% agreement about such a new and knotty subject. The fact that there is no public dissent or debate can only be explained by the fact that they are—or at least feel that they are—being muzzled.
It is an ancient, moral requirement of our profession to speak up when we believe questionable treatments are being proposed. It is also good for the public. Imagine, for example, a world in which those scientists who suggested that masking for children and school lockdowns were worse for public health were not smeared but instead debated?
The official public health response to Covid has undermined the public's belief in public health itself. This is a terrible outcome with potentially disastrous consequences. For one thing, because of these sloppy and politicized policies, we run the risk of parents rejecting routine vaccines for their children—ones we know are safe, effective and life-saving.
The leaders of the CDC, the FDA and the NIH should welcome internal discussion—even dissension—based on the evidence. Silencing physicians is not "following the science." Less absolutism and more humility by the men and women running our public health agencies would go a long way in rebuilding public trust.
Post by: Number7 on July 14, 2022, 06:53:03 PM
fauci the fraud told us all that HE was the science.
How can the science be wrong?
Post by: nddons on July 15, 2022, 05:50:25 AM
https://www.commonsense.news/p/us-public-health-agencies-arent-followingI wonder if the dam is breaking over at the CDC and NIH. It will take some stones for these people to break with the swamp.
U.S. Public Health Agencies Aren't ‘Following the Science,’ Officials Say
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2022, 06:11:55 AM
I wonder if the dam is breaking over at the CDC and NIH. It will take some stones for these people to break with the swamp.
The lunacy is out of control. In desperation of a failing regime, the lunacy is increasing daily. For those who actually try to do their jobs under these leftist lunatics, they are beyond the fatigue,
Covid is the biggest gift the lunatic left has ever received. Their beloved climate change religion hasn't got them any traction in decades, yet covid brought this country to it's knees in two weeks and put control in their hands. They are intoxicated with the power covid gave them, and desperately want to hang on to that power.
Post by: nddons on July 15, 2022, 09:11:08 AM
The lunacy is out of control. In desperation of a failing regime, the lunacy is increasing daily. For those who actually try to do their jobs under these leftist lunatics, they are beyond the fatigue,Last week the Wisconsin State Supreme Court said that these unelected, unaccountable public health official bureaucrats in Wisconsin have authority to issue orders such as shut down orders and mask mandates. This is too much power for the Executive Branches.
Covid is the biggest gift the lunatic left has ever received. Their beloved climate change religion hasn't got them any traction in decades, yet covid brought this country to it's knees in two weeks and put control in their hands. They are intoxicated with the power covid gave them, and desperately want to hang on to that power.
Post by: Rush on July 15, 2022, 12:01:39 PM
Last week the Wisconsin State Supreme Court said that these unelected, unaccountable public health official bureaucrats in Wisconsin have authority to issue orders such as shut down orders and mask mandates. This is too much power for the Executive Branches.
That needs to be shot down by the courts. It’s unconstitutional. No official should have the power to deny people means to make a living or order them to cover their face.
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2022, 12:12:01 PM
That needs to be shot down by the courts. It’s unconstitutional. No official should have the power to deny people means to make a living or order them to cover their face.
This is the beauty of the administrative part of the Executive. Non elected people that are almost impossible to be held accountable taking a law enacted by the legislature (or congress) then enacting volumes of regulations based upon the law.
Fight them and they have the power of government and unlimited funds to keep this in courts for years. And the initial courts are administrative, in which they also run the show.
This is why bureaucracies grow upon themselves and spawn new bureaucracies.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 15, 2022, 01:54:11 PM
First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricultural scientists and advisors in the former Soviet Union collective farming administration.
Secondly, there will be those dedicated to the organization itself. Examples are many of the administrators in the education system, many professors of education, many teachers union officials, much of the NASA headquarters staff, etc.”
The Iron Law states that in every case the second group will gain and keep control of the organization. It will write the rules, and control promotions within the organization.
Post by: Rush on July 15, 2022, 02:05:52 PM
“Jerry Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people:
First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricultural scientists and advisors in the former Soviet Union collective farming administration.
Secondly, there will be those dedicated to the organization itself. Examples are many of the administrators in the education system, many professors of education, many teachers union officials, much of the NASA headquarters staff, etc.”
The Iron Law states that in every case the second group will gain and keep control of the organization. It will write the rules, and control promotions within the organization.
I once worked for a school system. This is very true.
Post by: Anthony on July 15, 2022, 02:17:10 PM
“Jerry Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people:
First, there will be those who are devoted to the goals of the organization. Examples are dedicated classroom teachers in an educational bureaucracy, many of the engineers and launch technicians and scientists at NASA, even some agricultural scientists and advisors in the former Soviet Union collective farming administration.
Secondly, there will be those dedicated to the organization itself. Examples are many of the administrators in the education system, many professors of education, many teachers union officials, much of the NASA headquarters staff, etc.”
The Iron Law states that in every case the second group will gain and keep control of the organization. It will write the rules, and control promotions within the organization.
Government and corporations become self serving entities that essentially promote their growth and power. Corporations suffer financially and "right size", then begin the process all over again. Government never right sizes. No motivation nor accountability. It's maddening.
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2022, 05:25:19 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2022, 05:26:42 AM
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2022, 06:26:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/x7uGx5D.jpg)
These people need to have their freedoms taken away. See how they like it. She needs to be slapped. Hard.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 18, 2022, 07:12:06 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2022, 07:19:10 AM
Scott Adams is talking about Dr. Birx's new book and called her a F'ing Cunt for her lies.
Birx, Fauci and the whole covid cult should be hauled down to Gitmo and tried by a tribunal for crimes against humanity.
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2022, 07:55:29 AM
He's been wrong on everything, has misread data and outright lied. And he's still wrong, but his ego can't admit it.
He needs to be arrested and tried by a tribunal on crimes against humanity.
https://www.breitbart.com/health/2022/07/18/anthony-fauci-announces-planned-retirement-were-going-to-be-living-with-coronavirus/
Quote
Dr. Anthony Fauci announced his plan to retire at the end of President Joe Biden’s term in a new interview published Monday, lamenting Americans were no longer listening to his recommendations on masking or vaccines.
Fauci, Biden’s chief medical adviser to the White House, acknowledged in an interview with Politico that the coronavirus would outlast his professional career in medicine.
“We’re in a pattern now. If somebody says, ‘You’ll leave when we don’t have Covid anymore,’ then I will be 105. I think we’re going to be living with this,” he said.
Fauci did not specify a date but presumably plans to leave after Biden’s first term in office.
He predicted Republicans would start to investigate him if they take leadership in the House of Representatives in November, but insisted that was not why he planned to retire.
“They’re going to try and come after me, anyway. I mean, probably less so if I’m not in the job,” Fauci said.
He expressed regret Americans were no longer listening to his recommendations on masking or vaccines.
“It’s becoming more and more difficult to get people to listen, because even the people who are compliant want this behind them,” Fauci said, pleading for Americans to continue wearing masks in certain situations and getting regular booster shots of the coronavirus vaccine.
The rise in coronavirus cases is blamed on the new BA.5 variant.
In an interview with ABC News last week, Fauci continued to stress the importance of wearing masks.
“Just because people are not wearing masks is not a reason for you not to wear a mask,” he said. “You can still protect yourself very well with a properly fitted, adequate mask.”
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2022, 07:58:35 AM
Birx, Fauci and the whole covid cult should be hauled down to Gitmo and tried by a tribunal for crimes against humanity.
A firing squad is actually too kind for these people and the rest responsible for the Covid SCAM.
Post by: Username on July 18, 2022, 08:05:44 AM
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/scott-gottlieb-monkeypox_n_62d4d7b4e4b0f691303159eb
Quote
Gottlieb made the remarks on CBS’ “Face the Nation” Sunday “I think, at this point, we’ve failed to contain this,” he said. “We’re now at the cusp of this becoming an endemic virus, where this now becomes something that’s persistent that we need to continue to deal with. I think the window for getting control of this and containing it probably has closed. And, if it hasn’t closed, it’s certainly starting to close.”
“This is something we definitely need to take seriously,” Fauci said. “We don’t know the scope and the potential of it yet, but we have to act like it will have the capability of spreading much more widely than it’s spreading right now.”
Post by: Rush on July 18, 2022, 08:22:47 AM
Monkeypox! It's widespread! Lock everything down NOW! Everyone! Wear a condom when you are near someone! Yes, even you birthing people!
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/scott-gottlieb-monkeypox_n_62d4d7b4e4b0f691303159eb
This is a case of mass obsessive compulsive personality disorder. These people cannot stop themselves from over analyzing these minor diseases and being control freaks.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 18, 2022, 09:50:20 AM
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2022, 06:37:09 PM
This is a case of mass obsessive compulsive personality disorder. These people cannot stop themselves from over analyzing these minor diseases and being control freaks.
I hate Monkeys as you know, but I also hate Chimps and the others because people think they're cute but they're dangerous.
I like The Monkees.
Post by: Rush on July 19, 2022, 03:56:55 AM
I hate Monkeys as you know, but I also hate Chimps and the others because people think they're cute but they're dangerous.
I like The Monkees.
We have established that most non-human primates are assholes. For that matter so are many human primates.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 30, 2022, 05:34:10 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2022, 05:37:45 AM
Post by: Number7 on August 30, 2022, 05:40:22 AM
Is it really true that pete butt-gigi is only the second American to be positive for covid-19, omacron and monkey pox at the same time?
Seems like that whole queer thing isn't working out so well for him.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 30, 2022, 05:48:19 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 31, 2022, 06:08:53 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 31, 2022, 11:31:33 AM
Quote
Titanium dioxide particles frequently present in face masks intended for general use require regulatory control
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 05, 2022, 08:47:56 AM
Post by: nddons on September 06, 2022, 03:55:34 PM
"This deadly variant has bypassed our most sophisticated tests by ingeniously becoming harmless to the human body," said Director Walensky, "It is estimated that eight billion people have caught this variant. We must prevent it from spreading further by closing schools and locking up kindergarten children."
The CDC director's guidance to close schools and stem the tide of this "stealth" variant is backed by data that has been thoroughly and rigorously altered, proving that public school teachers are the most susceptible, testing negative a whopping 100% of the time and often succumbing to the worst symptom-free symptoms.
At publishing time, Pfizer had announced early development of a new, 103% effective vaccine, followed 3.8 seconds later by approval from the FDA.
https://babylonbee.com/news/cdc-warns-of-new-stealth-covid-variant-where-you-test-negative-and-get-no-symptoms
Post by: Lucifer on September 12, 2022, 09:25:16 PM
‘Unethical’ and up to 98 Times Worse Than the Disease: Top Scientists Publish Paradigm-Shifting Study About COVID-19 Vaccines
BY JENNIFER MARGULIS AND JOE WANG TIMESEPTEMBER 10, 2022
A team of nine experts from Harvard, Johns Hopkins, and other top universities has published paradigm-shifting research about the efficacy and safety of the COVID-19 vaccines and why mandating vaccines for college students is unethical.
This 50-page study, which was published on The Social Science Research Network at the end of August, analyzed CDC and industry-sponsored data on vaccine adverse events, and concluded that mandates for COVID-19 boosters for young people may cause 18 to 98 actual serious adverse events for each COVID-19 infection-related hospitalization theoretically prevented.
The paper is co-authored by Dr. Stefan Baral, an epidemiology professor at Johns Hopkins University; surgeon Martin Adel Makary, M.D., a professor at Johns Hopkins known for his books exposing medical malfeasance, including “Unaccountable: What Hospitals Won’t Tell You and How Transparency Can Revolutionize Heath Care”; and Dr. Vinayak Prasad, a hematologist-oncologist, who is a professor in the UCSF Department of Epidemiology and Biostatistics, as well as the author of over 350 academic and peer-reviewed articles.
But among this team of high-profile international experts who authored this paper, perhaps the most notable is Salmaan Keshavjee, M.D., Ph.D., current Director of the Harvard Medical School Center for Global Health Delivery, and professor of Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School. Keshavjee has also worked extensively with Partners In Health, a Boston-based non-profit co-founded by the late Dr. Paul Farmer, on treating drug-resistant tuberculosis, according to his online biography.
Risking Disenrollment
As the study pointed out, students at universities in America, Canada, and Mexico are being told they must have a third dose of the vaccines against COVID-19 or be disenrolled. Unvaccinated high school students who are just starting college are also being told the COVID-19 vaccines are “mandatory” for attendance.
These mandates are widespread. There are currently 15 states which continue to honor philosophical (personal belief) exemptions, and 44 states and Washington, D.C. allow religious exemptions to vaccines. But even in these states, private universities are telling parents they will not accept state-recognized vaccine exemptions.
Based on personal interviews with some half a dozen families, The Epoch Times has learned that administrators at some colleges and universities are informing students that they have their own university-employed medical teams to scrutinize the medical exemptions submitted by students and signed by private doctors. These doctors, families are being told, will decide whether the health reasons given are medically valid.
5 Ethical Arguments Against Mandated Boosters
Though rarely reported on in the mainstream media, COVID-19 vaccine boosters have been generating a lot of controversy.
While some countries are quietly compensating people for devastating vaccine injuries, and other countries are limiting COVID-19 vaccine recommendations, the United States is now recommending children 12 and older get Pfizer-BioNTech’s Omicron-specific booster, and young adults over the age of 18 get Moderna’s updated shot.
At the same time, public health authorities in Canada are suggesting Canadians will need COVID-19 vaccines every 90 days.
Against a backdrop of confusing and often changing public health recommendations and booster fatigue, the authors of this new paper argue that university booster mandates are unethical. They give five specific reasons for this bold claim:
1) Lack of policymaking transparency. The scientists pointed out that no formal and scientifically rigorous risk-benefit analysis of whether boosters are helpful in preventing severe infections and hospitalizations exists for young adults.
2) Expected harm. A look at the currently available data shows that mandates will result in what the authors call a “net expected harm” to young people. This expected harm will exceed the potential benefit from the boosters.
3) Lack of efficacy. The vaccines have not effectively prevented transmission of COVID-19. Given how poorly they work—the authors call this “modest and transient effectiveness”—the expected harms caused by the boosters likely outweigh any benefits to public health.
4) No recourse for vaccine-injured young adults. Forcing vaccination as a prerequisite to attend college is especially problematic because young people injured by these vaccines will likely not be able to receive compensation for these injuries.
5) Harm to society. Mandates, the authors insisted, ostracize unvaccinated young adults, excluding them from education and university employment opportunities. Coerced vaccination entails “major infringements to free choice of occupation and freedom of association,” the scientists wrote, especially when “mandates are not supported by compelling public health justification.”
The consequences of non-compliance include being unenrolled, losing internet privileges, losing access to the gym and other athletic facilities, and being kicked out of campus housing, among other things. These punitive approaches, according to the authors, have resulted in unnecessary psychosocial stress, reputation damage, loss of income, and fear of being deported, to name just a few.
22,000 to 30,000 Previously Unaffected Young Adults Must be Vaccinated to Prevent Just 1 Hospitalization
The lack of effectiveness of the vaccines is a major concern to these researchers. Based on their analysis of the public data provided to the CDC, they estimated that between 22,000 and 30,000 previously uninfected young adults would need to be boosted with an mRNA vaccine to prevent just a single hospitalization.
However, this estimate does not take into account the protection conferred by a previous infection. So, the authors insisted, “this should be considered a conservative and optimistic assessment of benefit.”
In other words, the mRNA vaccines against COVID-19 are essentially useless.
Mandated Booster Shots Cause More Harm Than Good
But the documented lack of efficacy is only part of the problem. The researchers further found that per every one COVID-19 hospitalization prevented in young adults who had not previously been infected with COVID-19, the data show that 18 to 98 “serious adverse events” will be caused by the vaccinations themselves.
These events include up to three times as many booster-associated myocarditis in young men than hospitalizations prevented, and as many as 3,234 cases of other side effects so serious that they interfere with normal daily activities.
At a regional hospital in South Carolina, the desk clerk sported a button that read: “I’m Vaccinated Against COVID-19” with a big black check mark on it.
“What about the boosters?” a hospital visitor asked. “It’s starting to seem like we need too many shots.”
“It does seem like a lot,” the clerk agreed. “It’s hard to know what to do.” But she did have some advice for the visitor: “Just keep reading and educating yourself, so you can make an informed decision.”
This new paper is essential reading for anyone trying to decide if they need more vaccines. The authors concluded their study with a call to action. Policymakers must stop mandates for young adults immediately, be sure that those who have already been injured by these vaccines are compensated for the suffering caused by mandates, and openly conduct and share the results of risk-benefit analyses of the vaccines for various age groups.
These measures are necessary, the authors argued, to “begin what will be a long process of rebuilding trust in public health.”
May the Force Be With Brave Scientists
The two co-first authors, Dr. Kevin Bardosh and Dr. Allison Krug, both thanked their families for supporting them to “publicly debate Covid-19 vaccine mandates” in the acknowledgments section of the paper.
As we wrote in May, an increasing number of scientists and medical doctors are speaking out about the dubious efficacy and disturbing safety issues surrounding theses fast-tracked COVID-19 vaccines. They do so fully aware of the personal and professional risks involved. They deserve our encouragement and support.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 13, 2022, 01:36:58 PM
The anguish over not knowing how many cases of covid-19 are actually out there.
oh my....
No acknowledgement of the number people who test positive with a home test kit and don't need medical care because the symptoms are mild (or non-existent).
No acknowledgement that underreporting because of home test kit usage means the CFR is lower, much lower. (especially when you couple that with the overreporting of "covid" deaths)
Post by: Anthony on September 13, 2022, 04:16:29 PM
It's interesting (not in a good way) to read the handwringing about cases that go unreported because people are using home test kits.
The anguish over not knowing how many cases of covid-19 are actually out there.
oh my....
No acknowledgement of the number people who test positive with a home test kit and don't need medical care because the symptoms are mild (or non-existent).
No acknowledgement that underreporting because of home test kit usage means the CFR is lower, much lower. (especially when you couple that with the overreporting of "covid" deaths)
The only time I was tested was when I was in the hospital about 18 months ago for extremely low hemoglobin due to self inflicted internal bleeding. I was negative. I did have a very mild flu like illness for two days and that may have been Covid but who cares. It passed quickly and I was and am fine. Duh. Why are people so obsessed?
Post by: texasag93 on September 13, 2022, 05:00:52 PM
The only time I was tested was when I was in the hospital about 18 months ago for extremely low hemoglobin due to self inflicted internal bleeding. I was negative. I did have a very mild flu like illness for two days and that may have been Covid but who cares. It passed quickly and I was and am fine. Duh. Why are people so obsessed?
Self inflicted internal bleeding?
Did it involve some sort of phallic device?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 13, 2022, 05:18:17 PM
Post by: Anthony on September 13, 2022, 06:14:10 PM
Self inflicted internal bleeding?
Did it involve some sort of phallic device?
I either stabbed myself or unptrotecrd gay sex. Pick one. ;D
Post by: nddons on September 13, 2022, 07:39:26 PM
Well it’s Anthony, so you never know…. Lol
Self inflicted internal bleeding?
Did it involve some sort of phallic device?
Post by: Rush on September 13, 2022, 07:53:23 PM
Well it’s Anthony, so you never know…. Lol
He’s a ladies man to a fault, so it’s gotta be the knife. ;D
Post by: Lucifer on September 14, 2022, 12:47:50 PM
Post by: Rush on September 14, 2022, 01:07:36 PM
Post by: nddons on September 14, 2022, 01:41:18 PM
Rand Paul for prez.He doesn’t suffer fools, that’s for sure.
Post by: Lucifer on September 14, 2022, 06:00:52 PM
Post by: Anthony on September 15, 2022, 03:39:44 AM
Notice how the little troll isn't so smug anymore?
A traitor, bought and paid for by the Chicoms, Gates, Soros and whomever else wants the new Global World Order. Notice how just about every government, worldwide was in on it? The lockdowns, masks, freedom and small business killing restrictions. This was/is a Global movement of the Elite against the masses.
Post by: Username on September 19, 2022, 08:18:55 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/18/politics/biden-pandemic-60-minutes/index.html
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 20, 2022, 01:54:11 PM
The pandemic is over! Yay!
https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/18/politics/biden-pandemic-60-minutes/index.html
the clown is nothing if not s l o w to pick up on things...
Post by: Lucifer on September 23, 2022, 06:00:44 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 03, 2022, 05:36:07 AM
I'm here this morning having chauffeured my wife to an appointment. Side door is now open and we don't have to check with anyone when entering.
Apparently they didn't wait long after the CDC dropped their mask recommendation for medical facilities. I hate to tell leftists, but it's over.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 03, 2022, 06:56:30 AM
... I hate to tell leftists, but it's over.
But they won't understand or grasp the reality.
They will claim that people are still dying of covid-19 (and won't acknowledge or understand how the deaths are being counted, or rather, being overcounted).
Post by: Rush on October 03, 2022, 07:01:40 AM
Post by: Username on October 03, 2022, 07:25:15 AM
But if it's over how can they use it to justify locking everyone down to destroy the economy, and justify mail in voting, so they can remain in power to continue destroying the economy? Or at the very least continue telling everyone to wear masks to destroy the social/psychological development of little kids.Monkeypox. We all don't realize just how terrible it is yet. The MSM will let us know shortly. Lockdown and wear your condom if you're going outside.
Post by: Lucifer on October 03, 2022, 08:29:35 AM
How to Make the Big Bucks While Wrecking a Country
Jeffrey A. Tucker
September 30, 2022
Of all these many sketchy characters involved at the highest levels in the great wreckage of 2020–22, Anthony Fauci of NIAID occupies a singular position. He is the most well-known of all the lockdowners and advocates of vaccine mandates. He has since spoken at many college commencements and still deferred to daily by an obsequious media. He is surrounded daily and only by sycophants and regards all criticism of him as a form of treason.
And yet, when pressed by Senator Rand Paul on his past statements and actions, even on the email we have from his own hand, he refuses any responsibility at all. He says he never locked anyone down—which I suppose is technically true if by that you mean actually padlocked the churches and schools and personally enforced bans against weddings and funerals.
We know that he presided over the crafting of the regulations and yet he continues to say he only followed the guidance of others. When asked about his leaky shots, and the mandates thereof, he says he knows nothing about them because he doesn’t serve on the FDA/CDC committees that approved them. For that matter, he still claims that he didn’t sign off on funding gain-of-function research in Wuhan even though we have piles of receipts and personal testimony.
There might be some solace to experience from his retirement but even that doesn’t go down well. The intrepid Adam Andrzejewski has once again taken a very close look at Fauci’s salary, awards, and various other benefits to conclude that “Fauci’s Net Worth Soared To $12.6+ Million During Pandemic — Up $5 Million (2019–2021).”
This is during a time when the real income of Americans has fallen for 18 months straight—the longest period of decline on record. It is lower now than before lockdowns happened. In other words, the large majority of citizens who suffered under the policies that he imposed have seen their standard of living fall dramatically even while the lockdown czar of America made an additional $5,000,000 and stands to enjoy a nearly half-million dollar retirement package.
Among the details of Fauci’s finances that Andrzejewski found through his FOIAs and sleuthing including totals of the Fauci household, which includes Christine Grady who is the chief bioethicist at the National Institutes of Health (you can’t make this stuff up) with a salary of $234,284.
• Net Worth: The Fauci household disclosed net worth increased from $7.6 million (Jan. 1, 2019) to over $12.6 million (Dec. 31, 2021).
• Pay: Fauci continued to be the most highly compensated federal employee, earning $456,000 in 2021 and $480,000 in 2022. Fauci outearned the president, four-star generals, and roughly 4.3 million other federal bureaucrats.
• Big Awards: In 2021, Fauci augmented his government income with nearly $1 million in prizes from nonprofit organizations across the world. For example, the Dan David Foundation, based in Israel, awarded $901,400 for “speaking truth to power” and “defending science” during the Trump administration.
• During the ongoing pandemic year of 2021, the Fauci’s household income, perks and benefits, and unrealized investment gains totaled $2,832,876—including federal income and benefits of $903,497; outside awards and royalties totaling $1,019,205; and $910,174 in investment gains.
We should take a moment to appreciate this kind of reporting, because it comes at a heavy personal and professional price. Adam Andrzejewski was once one of the more celebrated contributors to Forbes. After 206 investigative pieces, he was elevated by the magazine in 2018 to become “senior policy contributor” and was set up for a great and rising career with his aim of finding out financial details of powerful people and their actions.
Then he made the mistake of starting to look closely at Fauci’s finances. It was he who discovered that Fauci is the highest-paid employee in the whole of the federal government and further revealed that NIH employees enjoy generous royalty payments to vaccine companies. Soon after these investigative reports, Forbes started harassing him, then vetting him, then demanding pre-approval of article topics, and finally fired him.
Thank goodness he was able quickly to create a Substack where his work continues. In the course of trying to figure out what happened, Andrzejewski made another FOIA request of the emails between NIH and Forbes. Sure enough, he turned up an extremely incriminating paper trail and posted screenshots of them all.
No question that NIH had a hand in killing Andrzejewski’s career at the publication. Forbes gave in to government pressure to protect Fauci just as so many others have done and continue to do.
Again, we have all the receipts. This is a direct and obvious violation of the First Amendment—the government using its power to kill the freedoms and careers of reporters who dare to take a close look. The picture is complicated further by Forbes’s own reliance on advertising dollars from Pfizer. The company spends $100 million on advertising and Forbes is one of the beneficiaries, even to the point of including a BrandVoice page on the Forbes site.
So the financial and power links here are complex and deep. We would be naïve to believe that all of this is on the up and up.
Of course this is only the tip of the iceberg of the number of individuals, institutions, corporations, and government agencies—at all levels of government and all over the world—that made out like bandits in the last three years even as the living standards and liberties of people all over the world were devastated.
All their tremendous gains came at the expense of everyone else. This is not the market at work in which everyone wins as wealth rises for everyone. This system of conquest and pillage is an ancient form of money making in which the gains of a handful of elites come at the expense of everyone else. When the New York Times on Feb. 28, 2020, recommended that we “go medieval” on the coronavirus, this might have been part of what they meant.
This is only one sign of a general devolution we’ve been on for several years now. It must be reversed if we are to preserve civilization as we once knew it. Finding out all the details of ill-gotten gains is certainly an excellent place to start. Those who are doing the hard work at great personal risk to their careers certainly deserve our respect.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 13, 2022, 03:11:45 PM
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days
" Beginning October 20, 2022, CDC will report and publish aggregate case and death data, and line level data where applicable, from jurisdictional and state partners on a weekly basis rather than daily. As a result, this COVID Data Tracker tab will be refreshed every week, on Thursdays, by 8PM ET, instead of daily."
Post by: Username on October 14, 2022, 06:25:59 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-next-us-covid-wave-is-coming-why-it-will-be-much-weirder-than-before-200044795.html
Quote
Instead, what scientists are seeing now is a bunch of worrisome Omicron descendants arising simultaneously but independently in different corners of the globe — all with the same set of advantageous mutations that help them dodge our existing immune defenses and drive new waves of infection.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 14, 2022, 07:41:59 AM
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1580561576335122433
They’ll develop all the needed jabs to protect us from that swarm of variants. And send them all over the world!!! Even to countries we’ve never heard of!!!
(http://)
“Safe and effective” shows up twice in two short paragraphs! So it must be true!
Post by: Rush on October 14, 2022, 08:15:22 AM
Quote
BRUSSELS — Despite the uproar caused by revelations at a European Union hearing that the pharmaceutical giant rushed the COVID-19 vaccine out into use without testing it for preventing transmission, Pfizer executives were quick to backtrack and point out that they did, in fact, test the vaccine — on over five billion people.
"While there were no widespread, controlled tests of the vaccine in the clinical sense, to say we didn't have any guinea pigs to try our vaccine on wouldn't be the truth," said Janine Small, Pfizer's president of international developed markets said at the hearing. "We didn't really know what would happen when we shot human beings up with this stuff, so we decided to test it in the most widespread way possible — by injecting it into over five billion people."
While this information set off alarm bells around the globe, Pfizer was quick to point out that the results weren't all bad. "People act like nothing good came out of this vaccine," said Dr. Frederick Von Leibenschnibbitz, head of Pfizer's Moneymaking Medicine Committee. "Yes, we rushed a vaccine out onto the market without knowing whether or not it actually stopped the transmission of the disease. Yes, we worked hand-in-hand with governments and media corporations around the world to force people into taking this untested vaccine. Yes, we have caused enormous numbers of people to develop myocarditis and other serious health problems. But look at how much money we made off of it! That counts for something, right? Right? Don't look at me that way."
At publishing time, Pfizer was continuing development on their newest COVID-19 booster, which they say (without any testing data to back it up) will protect you from the virus while only giving you rectal cancer as a side effect.
Post by: Number7 on October 14, 2022, 11:05:07 AM
He is such a scientist (in the fauci the fraud sense) after all.
Post by: Username on October 16, 2022, 06:22:56 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nightmare-covid-variant-beats-immunity-025733218.html
Quote
A new subvariant of the novel-coronavirus called XBB dramatically announced itself earlier this week, in Singapore. New COVID-19 cases more than doubled in a day, from 4,700 on Monday to 11,700 on Tuesday—and XBB is almost certainly why. The same subvariant just appeared in Hong Kong, too.
A highly mutated descendant of the Omicron variant of the SARS-CoV-2 virus that drove a record wave of infections starting around a year ago, XBB is in many ways the worst form of the virus so far. It’s more contagious than any previous variant or subvariant. It also evades the antibodies from monoclonal therapies, potentially rendering a whole category of drugs ineffective as COVID treatments.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 16, 2022, 08:29:19 AM
Oh no! It's even worse than expected. The old vaccines won't help! We should all lock down now! Everyone get the NEW AND IMPROVED vaccine! Sure, we knew about it in August, but let's announce it now!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nightmare-covid-variant-beats-immunity-025733218.html
ok, it's more infectiious, etc.
how severe are the symptoms?
Post by: Username on October 16, 2022, 09:32:09 AM
ok, it's more infectiious, etc.Doesn't matter! Stop the spread! Wear a mask! Lockdown! Obey your betters!
how severe are the symptoms?
Post by: Rush on October 16, 2022, 09:33:11 AM
ok, it's more infectiious, etc.
how severe are the symptoms?
Exactly. I could pick that piece apart bit by bit but can’t take the time right now. Notice how way down in the article they admit that natural immunity from the disease is superior to any vaccine? A year ago you were banned from social media for suggesting that. Oh but you need to get the new shot anyway!!
The whole thing is a joke now. Nobody takes it seriously except covidians who get boners at the thought of destroying people’s livelihoods with lockdowns and muzzling little kids’ faces with masks.
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 16, 2022, 09:48:49 AM
ok, it's more infectiious, etc.
how severe are the symptoms?
https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-10-15/XBB-variant-How-dangerous-is-the-newest-COVID-19-strain--1e908pSSo4o/index.html (https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-10-15/XBB-variant-How-dangerous-is-the-newest-COVID-19-strain--1e908pSSo4o/index.html)
"There is no evidence of XBB causing more severe illness, the MOH said.
So far, the large majority of patients in Singapore continue to report mild symptoms, such as sore throat or slight fever, especially if they have been vaccinated, the ministry said."
Post by: Rush on October 16, 2022, 09:55:44 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 17, 2022, 03:16:27 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 17, 2022, 09:16:31 AM
Post by: Rush on October 17, 2022, 09:18:16 AM
My oldest son has COVID. He's the only right leaning member of the family. I kind of want to ask him why he tested.
I just heard that our younger daughter and her husband are both getting over Covid. Just a cold for him but she was pretty sick like a bad flu.
Post by: Username on October 18, 2022, 05:16:33 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/boston-university-lethal-covid-strain-lab
Quote
Researchers at Boston University say they have developed a new COVID strain that has an 80% kill rate following a series of similar experiments first thought to have started the global pandemic that began in China.
The variant, a combination of Omicron and the original virus in Wuhan, killed 80% of the mice infected with it, the university said. When mice were only exposed to Omicron, they experienced mild symptoms.
The research was conducted by a team of scientists from Florida and Boston at the school's National Emerging Infectious Diseases Laboratories.
Post by: Anthony on October 18, 2022, 05:36:23 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 18, 2022, 05:37:46 AM
How long do you think it will take for them to release this into the wild?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/boston-university-lethal-covid-strain-lab
Yes, lets go into a lab and create something super deadly. And no, in no way is this gain of function, we just wanted to do this to "learn"
It's "science" ya know.
Post by: Lucifer on October 18, 2022, 05:41:36 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 19, 2022, 08:10:58 AM
a local town has lifted the requirement to wear masks in health facilities... or at least in the dentist office (yeah, we had to wear masks in the dentist office... let that one sink in...)
slow slow recognition that covid has passed beyond the stage of being a pandemic...
Post by: Rush on October 19, 2022, 08:27:32 AM
Here in Texas there have not been any government mandates in a long time but a lot of the private healthcare practices were hanging on to the mask bullshit. My retina doctor's practice also just stopped the mask requirement but had a sign on the door saying "masks suggested". So it is optional. The girl at the desk had no mask but the actual doctor DID have a mask. Too bad, I really liked her. She still is a great doctor as far as eyeball knowledge and technical skill fixing my retina but I was disappointed at the maskurbating.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 19, 2022, 03:18:44 PM
https://rumble.com/v1orvld--great-tune-mrna-the-speed-of-science.html
Post by: Lucifer on October 21, 2022, 11:45:07 AM
Post by: Rush on October 22, 2022, 06:51:57 PM
The stupidity of thinking you could shut down society and not have terrible long lasting consequences.
Post by: Anthony on October 23, 2022, 02:58:25 AM
Post by: nddons on October 24, 2022, 07:18:01 AM
Post by: jb1842 on October 24, 2022, 10:17:24 AM
Post by: texasag93 on October 24, 2022, 01:26:41 PM
I like not having to mask up to go to lunch.
Post by: Rush on October 24, 2022, 01:54:02 PM
Post by: Anthony on October 24, 2022, 04:38:21 PM
Wait until they take a clue from faggot Justin Trudeau and ban handguns “to keep our children safe.”
They're trying to figure out how to do it through Executive Order. National Security threat or some such nonsense.
Post by: Lucifer on October 25, 2022, 04:12:05 AM
Post by: Username on October 25, 2022, 10:10:08 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-supreme-court-reinstates-all-employees-fired-being-unvaccinated-orders-backpay
Quote
The New York State Supreme Court reinstated all employees who were fired for not being vaccinated on Monday, ordering backpay and saying their rights had been violated.
The court found that "being vaccinated does not prevent an individual from contracting or transmitting COVID-19." New York City Mayor Eric Adams claimed earlier this year that his administration would not rehire employees who had been fired over their vaccination status.
NYC alone fired roughly 1,400 employees for being unvaccinated earlier this year after the city adopted a vaccine mandate under former Mayor Bill de Blasio.
Post by: Rush on October 25, 2022, 11:09:04 AM
Wow.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-supreme-court-reinstates-all-employees-fired-being-unvaccinated-orders-backpay
Finally some sanity. I wonder if the defendants will appeal to the feds. Probably will just because of spite and lunacy. (NYC and its departments of health, sanitation).
Post by: Anthony on October 25, 2022, 11:15:05 AM
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2022, 04:51:57 AM
What is the point of testing? I’m not supposed to treat it with anything. Horse paste, hydroxychloroquine, and megadoses of vitamins have all been debunked as “medical misinformation”. Biden’s doing his best to keep monoclonal antibodies out of red states. So if I can’t treat it, what’s the point of knowing it’s Covid and not a regular cold? Just take Tylenol and drink plenty of fluids.
Then she asked if I’ve been vaccinated. Yes. How many times? Oh my god, seriously? Bad Rush! Only twice! I haven’t gone back for a billion boosters! They’ll have to treat me like Typhoid Mary.
I forgot to ask her if masks are required. I told my husband if I get there and they make me mask up I’m canceling the fucking surgery.
Post by: Anthony on October 29, 2022, 07:59:02 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 29, 2022, 08:00:47 AM
Who is the horsepistol?
say it out loud
and think regional accent (?)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 29, 2022, 08:12:49 AM
https://www.gocomics.com/boundandgagged
Post by: Anthony on October 29, 2022, 09:14:03 AM
say it out loud
and think regional accent (?)
Oh jeez. Of course. Duh!
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2022, 09:15:02 AM
Who is the horsepistol?
What Bob said.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Horsepistol
Quote
(noun) a redneck term referring to a long term medical facility, modern day hospital, a place where injured people seek care
"Great papaw Ulyss is in the horsepistol again with a broken hip after gettin into another fist fight with Aunt Mavis."
Post by: texasag93 on November 01, 2022, 07:40:48 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 02, 2022, 05:03:13 AM
Post by: Anthony on November 02, 2022, 05:50:24 AM
Post by: nddons on November 02, 2022, 07:20:31 AM
I still see mask wearers DAILY. Guy walking alone, nobody for like forever, with a fucking mask. Just easier to identify some of the mentally ill.That’s exactly it. It’s the adult and adolescent woobie. They have the mentality of an infant.
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2022, 07:26:02 AM
I still see mask wearers DAILY. Guy walking alone, nobody for like forever, with a fucking mask. Just easier to identify some of the mentally ill.
At my hospital training and assessment the other day, they didn’t require masks but half the staff were masked up. So I get somebody with their back to me typing on their machine asking me questions with a mask on, “Mfffmmm fffmummm mmmffffm?”
“WHAT?? I can’t understand you through that thing. Jesus Christ on a cracker! Will you please stop with the goddamn motherfucking masks!”
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 02, 2022, 07:59:50 AM
Or they could be TB patients.
(early in 2022 the CDC revised the isolation protocol for mild cases of covid - first 5 days you isolate, the next 5 days you can go out but need to wear a mask)
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2022, 08:13:38 AM
some of the people wearing masks (but probably just a very few of them) could be wearing them in day 6 through 10 of the covid protocol.
Or they could be TB patients.
(early in 2022 the CDC revised the isolation protocol for mild cases of covid - first 5 days you isolate, the next 5 days you can go out but need to wear a mask)
Yes very few of them. I seriously doubt half those young healthy looking people wearing masks were TB patients or had just come off having covid. I get the idea that a lot of medical people are all on board with the mask bullshit, even if they're otherwise sane, because medical staff are heavily indoctrinated with medical paranoia, but it's legal, not actually good medicine. 90% of what they do is defensive against lawsuits.
Post by: jb1842 on November 02, 2022, 08:18:24 AM
some of the people wearing masks (but probably just a very few of them) could be wearing them in day 6 through 10 of the covid protocol.
Or they could be TB patients.
(early in 2022 the CDC revised the isolation protocol for mild cases of covid - first 5 days you isolate, the next 5 days you can go out but need to wear a mask)
They don't need them on while alone in the car, though.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 02, 2022, 09:20:40 AM
My wrist surgery is today at 3:00 pm.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 02, 2022, 09:23:22 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 02, 2022, 09:34:33 AM
Post by: Anthony on November 02, 2022, 09:44:35 AM
At both the orthopedic office AND surgery center yesterday, not one single staff person or doctor wore a mask. Patients were not required to wear masks. It was glorious.
My wrist surgery is today at 3:00 pm.
Good luck! I won't say "break a leg". ;D
Post by: Anthony on November 02, 2022, 09:45:33 AM
some of the people wearing masks (but probably just a very few of them) could be wearing them in day 6 through 10 of the covid protocol.
Or they could be TB patients.
(early in 2022 the CDC revised the isolation protocol for mild cases of covid - first 5 days you isolate, the next 5 days you can go out but need to wear a mask)
Seriously Bob? ::)
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2022, 09:46:23 AM
At both the orthopedic office AND surgery center yesterday, not one single staff person or doctor wore a mask. Patients were not required to wear masks. It was glorious.
My wrist surgery is today at 3:00 pm.
Good luck! We’ll be thinking about you and anxiously awaiting a positive report.
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2022, 09:52:41 AM
Seriously Bob? ::)
Apparently hospitals follow CDC guidelines so they can defend themselves in court when you get Covid and sue them. They did everything they could to prevent it but you got it anyway, not their fault. DOES NOT MATTER ONE WHIT WHETHER THE MASKING DOES ANYTHING AT ALL.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 02, 2022, 10:47:55 AM
Seriously Bob? ::)
Seriously. What I wrote is indeed factual.
Look at it this way, I gave a couple of legit reasons for wearing a mask outside... and given how few people those reasons would apply to, it reinforces the silliness of so many people walking around with masks.
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2022, 10:54:34 AM
Seriously. What I wrote is indeed factual.
Look at it this way, I gave a couple of legit reasons for wearing a mask outside... and given how few people those reasons would apply to, it reinforces the silliness of so many people walking around with masks.
You said out, you didn’t sat outside. I take “out” to mean away from your home.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 02, 2022, 11:22:14 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 02, 2022, 11:23:22 AM
You said out, you didn’t sat outside. I take “out” to mean away from your home.
fair point.
It is my understanding that for purpose of the covid protocol (from the CDC) and for TB patients, "out" and "outside" are the effectiviely the same.
Post by: Anthony on November 02, 2022, 11:25:59 AM
Seriously. What I wrote is indeed factual.
Look at it this way, I gave a couple of legit reasons for wearing a mask outside... and given how few people those reasons would apply to, it reinforces the silliness of so many people walking around with masks.
Got it. Thanks.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 02, 2022, 11:36:18 AM
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2022, 01:02:28 PM
I wonder if some people find it helps with allergies. A lady has walked daily around our neighborhood for a couple of years now, wearing an N95 in all seasons.
Now that is true. When I mow the grass, there are round spots of dirt several feet in diameter where big mounds used to be that grew weeds and housed rats. (Long story why they were there when we bought the house.) We had them removed but the spots haven’t filled in with grass yet but there are some spotty weeds and grass growing there that I want to cut, so I go over them to cut the weeds and blow up a bunch of dirt. Every time I do that I wish I had one of those masks on but I never think of it before I get on the mower. One of these days I’m going to get some sort of rat virus pneumonia from breathing in that dust.
Post by: nddons on November 02, 2022, 02:26:15 PM
They don't need them on while alone in the car, though.…unless they want to publicly advertise that they are proud Biden voters.
Post by: nddons on November 02, 2022, 02:27:58 PM
In December 2021, Twitter started banning anyone who repeatedly said that vaccinated people could catch and transmit Covid. I think we’re all seeing now that Twitter was a bot farm and narrow narrative driver for the deep state. What do you do when all your narratives collapse? Sell.(https://media0.giphy.com/media/3oKHWikxKFJhjArSXm/giphy.gif)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 02, 2022, 04:46:33 PM
Nerve block on the whole arm. When it wears off I have oxycodone.
Now have a metal plate and a bunch of screws in my wrist.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 02, 2022, 04:47:54 PM
Wrist surgery is complete, and I am mightily impressed with everyone and everything involved. And so grateful not to hurt for a while at least.Glad to hear it went well. Prayers for your full healing.
Nerve block on the whole arm. When it wears off I have oxycodone.
Now have a metal plate and a bunch of screws in my wrist.
Post by: nddons on November 02, 2022, 04:49:00 PM
Wrist surgery is complete, and I am mightily impressed with everyone and everything involved. And so grateful not to hurt for a while at least.You were awake???
Nerve block on the whole arm. When it wears off I have oxycodone.
Now have a metal plate and a bunch of screws in my wrist.
You have some stones young lady!!
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 02, 2022, 04:58:11 PM
Glad to hear it went well. Prayers for your full healing.
ditto. Big full on ditto
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 02, 2022, 05:09:38 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 02, 2022, 05:33:58 PM
I was totally awake. I couldn’t see the operation because they had a sheet up, but carried on a conversation with the anesthesiologist, who apparently only used the nerve block.
you are braver that I... I don''t want to hear any of the surgery team say "oops" or "uh oh"
Post by: Rush on November 02, 2022, 05:41:54 PM
I was totally awake. I couldn’t see the operation because they had a sheet up, but carried on a conversation with the anesthesiologist, who apparently only used the nerve block.
Wow! I guess that’s a new thing now, doing nerve blocks and keeping people awake during major surgery. They told me I’d have general anesthesia with the intubation and all, plus they also do the nerve block, I guess to keep you pain free for when they get you up and walking the first day.
Glad you’ve got that behind you and you finally have the good drugs. ;D
Post by: Anthony on November 02, 2022, 05:45:28 PM
Wrist surgery is complete, and I am mightily impressed with everyone and everything involved. And so grateful not to hurt for a while at least.
Nerve block on the whole arm. When it wears off I have oxycodone.
Now have a metal plate and a bunch of screws in my wrist.
Welcome back. It's like you never left! Feel better!
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 11, 2022, 01:22:59 PM
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/national-security/2022/november/veterans-day-surprise-west-point-cadets-given-12-hours-to-accept-covid-shot-after-exemptions-denied
Post by: Rush on November 11, 2022, 01:31:20 PM
In the midst of a recruiting crisis and for a jab that gives myocarditis to young men in numbers never seen before. Oh, and that doesn’t prevent transmission or infection.
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/national-security/2022/november/veterans-day-surprise-west-point-cadets-given-12-hours-to-accept-covid-shot-after-exemptions-denied
That’s insane. The military is hopelessly lost. We won’t be the top much longer if this keeps up.
Post by: nddons on November 11, 2022, 02:24:57 PM
In the midst of a recruiting crisis and for a jab that gives myocarditis to young men in numbers never seen before. Oh, and that doesn’t prevent transmission or infection.This is just the continued intentional destruction of the Military and our military readiness.
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/national-security/2022/november/veterans-day-surprise-west-point-cadets-given-12-hours-to-accept-covid-shot-after-exemptions-denied
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 11, 2022, 02:50:01 PM
after all....
Post by: Anthony on November 11, 2022, 05:56:06 PM
This is just the continued intentional destruction of the Military and our military readiness.
I can't say what I want to say because we now live in East Germany Lite.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 12, 2022, 01:37:51 PM
https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/billboards-are-up
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2022, 07:41:58 AM
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2022, 08:24:03 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/go-researchers-claim-tiny-particles-air-may-trigger-sudden-cardiac-arrest/
Study period: July 1, 2010, and Dec 31, 2018
They should do it again and compare age, race, sex, comorbidity - matched events among vaxxed vs unvaxxed. Although the median age was 65 and all causes of cardiac arrest were included. The vax is suspected of causing cardiac issues in the young. I would speculate no increase in the rate of MIs in older people and an increase in the rate of arrhythmia in younger people, especially males, in the vaxxed arm, for 2021 and 2022.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 17, 2022, 08:43:05 AM
Study period: July 1, 2010, and Dec 31, 2018
They should do it again and compare age, race, sex, comorbidity - matched events among vaxxed vs unvaxxed. Although the median age was 65 and all causes of cardiac arrest were included. The vax is suspected of causing cardiac issues in the young. I would speculate no increase in the rate of MIs in older people and an increase in the rate of arrhythmia in younger people, especially males, in the vaxxed arm, for 2021 and 2022.
and maybe do the study in other areas, not just Singapore.
Post by: Username on November 17, 2022, 08:46:51 AM
and maybe do the study in other areas, not just Singapore.Fried rice. Gotta be the fried rice.
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2022, 09:03:16 AM
Fried rice. Gotta be the fried rice.Perfect!!
Post by: Number7 on November 17, 2022, 09:11:58 AM
Fried rice. Gotta be the fried rice.
EVERYBODY who ate fried rice in 1847 is DEAD!!!
'That proves it.'
Post by: nddons on November 21, 2022, 04:38:05 PM
https://rumble.com/v1wac7i-world-premier-died-suddenly.html
Post by: Anthony on November 21, 2022, 06:04:40 PM
Fried rice. Gotta be the fried rice.
That's Flied Lice. Get with the program.
Post by: jb1842 on November 22, 2022, 08:56:50 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 22, 2022, 09:05:39 AM
And why do they wear scrubs?
because scrubs are quit comfy
Post by: Rush on November 22, 2022, 09:10:12 AM
Sitting in dr office for an EKG right now. They require allvpatients to wear a mask. But not the office staff. Stupid. And why do they wear scrubs? They don't see patients. They don't have to worry about getting about getting bodily fluids on them. Not even a sneeze if they require patients to be masked.
That is incredibly stupid (the mask thing). Good lord give it up already. My nurses and PT ladies coming to my house are required to wear masks. I have trouble hearing what they’re saying.
Post by: jb1842 on November 22, 2022, 10:06:44 AM
because scrubs are quit comfy
The funny thing is the person doing the ekg wasn't wearing scrubs. Unless they make long sleeve scrub tops, but she had on a t-shirt over it.
Post by: Lucifer on November 23, 2022, 05:30:59 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 28, 2022, 06:01:28 PM
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/11/how-effective-is-the-new-covid-vaccine.php
Post by: nddons on November 28, 2022, 06:44:22 PM
Is anyone even getting these shots anymore?I’ve received a flu shot every year for decades, but I’m thinking of passing this year as I don’t trust the medical community or big Pharma from combining the flu shot with the SADS (Sudden Adult Death Syndrome) shot.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2022/11/how-effective-is-the-new-covid-vaccine.php
Post by: nddons on November 30, 2022, 09:25:02 AM
In the old days (like 2019) we would all wonder “was it drugs?” I presume I’m not alone when my FIRST thought is “Did he take the jab?”
Post by: Lucifer on November 30, 2022, 09:27:38 AM
My ass……
Post by: Anthony on November 30, 2022, 04:42:03 PM
“Safe and effective”
My ass……
Yet no public outrage because the MEDIA ignores their lies. It's effing criminal.
Post by: Lucifer on November 30, 2022, 05:38:19 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/bill-clinton-tests-positive-covid-19-says-grateful-vaccinated-boosted/
Post by: Number7 on November 30, 2022, 08:32:04 PM
Bill Clinton Tests Positive for Covid-19, Says He Is “Grateful to be Vaccinated and Boosted”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/bill-clinton-tests-positive-covid-19-says-grateful-vaccinated-boosted/
I bet he has no idea he said that about his illness.
Some POS servant automatically put out the approved opinion, authorized by his chinese commie handlers.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 07, 2022, 09:06:11 AM
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/battle-cry-for-the-republic-c-and
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 07, 2022, 05:36:54 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 07, 2022, 05:37:46 PM
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/technical-report-on-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-the-uk
Link to the report
Post by: Anthony on December 07, 2022, 06:20:33 PM
She's an idiot but we all know that.
Post by: Lucifer on December 08, 2022, 05:55:32 AM
Post by: nddons on December 08, 2022, 02:09:33 PM
Then the Doc came in and didn’t ask about any of the above.
I found all that interesting.
Post by: Rush on December 08, 2022, 02:38:09 PM
So I had a physical today. Still had to wear a damned mask. Nurse asked if I wanted a flu shot, and I said no. She also said I was overdue for my second shingles shot. I wasn’t aware it was a two-shot series. I declined that as well. I understand some new shingle shots have MRNA and I didn’t want that. No mention of a covid booster or any thing.
Then the Doc came in and didn’t ask about any of the above.
I found all that interesting.
I don’t think Shingrix is mRNA and yes it is a 2 shot series unlike the older shingles vaccine. I would have no problem getting the second shot. I turn down the flu shots though. And shame on them for continuing with the face diapers.
Post by: Little Joe on December 08, 2022, 04:50:54 PM
So I had a physical today. Still had to wear a damned mask. Nurse asked if I wanted a flu shot, and I said no. She also said I was overdue for my second shingles shot. I wasn’t aware it was a two-shot series. I declined that as well. I understand some new shingle shots have MRNA and I didn’t want that. No mention of a covid booster or any thing.I would have gotten the second Shingrix. Shingles really sucks.
Then the Doc came in and didn’t ask about any of the above.
I found all that interesting.
Post by: Lucifer on December 09, 2022, 06:42:45 AM
Post by: Anthony on December 09, 2022, 07:04:14 AM
Post by: Number7 on December 09, 2022, 07:56:36 AM
The masks now identify the mentally ill and/or Leftists.
AND when worn by healthy folks, stupid people.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 10, 2022, 11:12:17 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/fifa-world-cup/american-soccer-journalist-grant-wahl-dies-at-qatar-world-cup-heres-what-we-know/ar-AA157Qy3
Post by: Number7 on December 10, 2022, 12:26:38 PM
Reading this story, I have no doubt this guy was double jabbed and boosted to the max. Just suddenly dies at the age of 48.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/fifa-world-cup/american-soccer-journalist-grant-wahl-dies-at-qatar-world-cup-heres-what-we-know/ar-AA157Qy3
Some are saying that, because of his final post wearing a rainbow T shirt, that he was murdered by the muslim religious police.
He posted that he was ‘ordered’ to remove it and refused, then was found dead a very short time later.
https://defiantamerica.com/us-soccer-journalist-grant-wahl-died-at-the-stadium-yesterday-in-a-chilling-video-his-brother-says-he-was-killed-for-supporting-the-lgbt-religion-at-the-world-cup-and-his-last-post-raised-even-more/
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 10, 2022, 12:57:35 PM
Some are saying that, because of his final post wearing a rainbow T shirt, that he was murdered by the muslim religious police.Look at his wife's credentials.
He posted that he was ‘ordered’ to remove it and refused, then was found dead a very short time later.
https://defiantamerica.com/us-soccer-journalist-grant-wahl-died-at-the-stadium-yesterday-in-a-chilling-video-his-brother-says-he-was-killed-for-supporting-the-lgbt-religion-at-the-world-cup-and-his-last-post-raised-even-more/ (https://defiantamerica.com/us-soccer-journalist-grant-wahl-died-at-the-stadium-yesterday-in-a-chilling-video-his-brother-says-he-was-killed-for-supporting-the-lgbt-religion-at-the-world-cup-and-his-last-post-raised-even-more/)
Post by: jb1842 on December 10, 2022, 01:29:11 PM
Some are saying that, because of his final post wearing a rainbow T shirt, that he was murdered by the muslim religious police.
He posted that he was ‘ordered’ to remove it and refused, then was found dead a very short time later.
https://defiantamerica.com/us-soccer-journalist-grant-wahl-died-at-the-stadium-yesterday-in-a-chilling-video-his-brother-says-he-was-killed-for-supporting-the-lgbt-religion-at-the-world-cup-and-his-last-post-raised-even-more/
You go to a foreign country, you follow their laws. Simple as that. You screaming "I'm an American! I have rights!" doesn't mean shit outside our borders.
Post by: Rush on December 10, 2022, 02:06:28 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 10, 2022, 02:08:48 PM
I guess not so "suddenly"....
Post by: Rush on December 11, 2022, 10:43:27 AM
"Wahl had written that he had not being feeling well in the days preceding his death, saying in part: “I could feel my upper chest take on a new level of pressure and discomfort." He sought medical attention, for what he was told was probably bronchitis and received antibiotics."
I guess not so "suddenly"....
He had been sick for several days, given antibiotics, then suddenly dies. Anaphylactic reaction to the drug would be my first guess. One minute he’s fine and the next he’s in “acute distress”. That’s exactly how it happened to me, except I didn’t die. Got to ride to the ER in an ambulance though. ;D
Post by: Lucifer on December 13, 2022, 07:53:30 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 13, 2022, 06:09:43 PM
https://fortune.com/well/2022/12/13/covid-unvaccinated-greater-risk-car-crash-traffic-accident-new-study-says-canada-government-records-pfizer-moderna/
Post by: Anthony on December 13, 2022, 06:30:30 PM
Post by: nddons on December 13, 2022, 07:57:11 PM
Hahahahahahaha!!!! This is the best propaganda yet. “Belief in freedom!!!!”“Why would they ignore the rules of the road? Distrust of the government, a belief in freedom, misconceptions of daily risks, “faith in natural protection,” “antipathy toward regulation,” poverty, misinformation, a lack of resources, and personal beliefs are potential reasons proposed by the authors.”
https://fortune.com/well/2022/12/13/covid-unvaccinated-greater-risk-car-crash-traffic-accident-new-study-says-canada-government-records-pfizer-moderna/
I swear to God, “1984” has become an instruction manual.
Post by: Number7 on December 13, 2022, 08:56:25 PM
Liberals are incredibly stupid, mentally ill, and fucking racist liars.
Post by: Anthony on December 14, 2022, 03:03:04 AM
Post by: Anthony on December 14, 2022, 03:06:07 AM
“Why would they ignore the rules of the road? Distrust of the government, a belief in freedom, misconceptions of daily risks, “faith in natural protection,” “antipathy toward regulation,” poverty, misinformation, a lack of resources, and personal beliefs are potential reasons proposed by the authors.”
I swear to God, “1984” has become an instruction manual.
A large percentage of the population seem to be actually against Rights, Freedom and Liberty. I think they believe it's archaic and that trust and DEPENDENCY on big Government and big Corporations is the norm and the answer. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It's maddening.
Post by: Rush on December 14, 2022, 05:16:36 AM
Hahahahahahaha!!!! This is the best propaganda yet. “Belief in freedom!!!!”
https://fortune.com/well/2022/12/13/covid-unvaccinated-greater-risk-car-crash-traffic-accident-new-study-says-canada-government-records-pfizer-moderna/
I clicked the link and read the actual study because of course I did. What jumps out at me is that the only group of people for whom there is a reverse association are people over age 65. For them, the risk of car crash is greater if they got the jab, although the paper denies that it was statistically significant.
Quote
No subgroup showed a significant opposite association.
But it did show an “insignificant” one. Which they chose to completely ignore as a possible clue to explore.
What is the single most defining feature of people age 65 and over? They’re retired. Of all the parameters directly addressed in the study, employment status was not considered. But this age division is a good stand in for it.
The paper admits that it did not consider distance driven at all, but makes a broad assumption that if it had, the results would have been the same. I dispute that assumption. I suggest that the real factor here is whether or not you work outside the home, particularly outside of an office. Which means you are likely to drive more miles. Truck drivers for example. Construction workers who must travel to various sites. Plumbers, landscapers, etc., who drive around a lot with the job.
The study found the risk greater in men than women (men work more then women in labor intensive jobs and take less time off), greater in lower socioeconomic groups (again, work outside jobs and labor intensive jobs), greater in younger age (less than 39, more likely to work outdoors or in retail jobs, haven’t been promoted to office manager yet).
In other words, the risk is greater if you don’t work remotely from your home, in an office, or are retired.
What the study did prove is that there is zero direct causative relationship between the vax and crashes, because they followed up with people who didn’t have the vax at the time of the crash but got it later. They had the same risk as if they’d had already gotten the vax. These risks also applied to passengers and pedestrians which even shows zero relationship between whether you are vaxxed and your driving behavior which the study inexplicably asserts is the whole problem.
The authors claim no conflict of interest. Riiiiight. They aren’t biased lefty authoritarian academics who hate “far right anti-vaxxers” at all. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.
Edit: Furthermore this paper endeavors to divide us into evil unvaxxed and virtuous vaxxed, suggesting discrimination by insurance companies should happen, and claiming the unvaxxed need to be more careful when driving, inexplicably implying that doesn’t apply to everyone. My goodness.
Quote
Together, the findings suggest that unvaccinated adults need to be careful indoors with other people and outside with surrounding traffic.
What it’s actually doing, once more, is heaping contempt upon the productive working class, while the ivory tower elite sit in their air conditioned homes and offices devising ever more ways to tax and oppress them.
Incidentally, they might be right that the productive class “believes in freedom” more than they do.
Post by: Number7 on December 14, 2022, 06:46:47 AM
The 'findings' of the clowns who ran that study are about as trustworthy as something mikey might say about the scam vaccines,
and just as delusional.
I wonder if they found any 'peers' willing to review and approve the 'science' of their scam.
And I wonder who was stupid enough to pay for it.
Post by: Mr Pou on December 14, 2022, 09:05:03 AM
The young and weak of mind people better wake up before this country gets stolen out from under them.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 14, 2022, 09:21:08 AM
I see more and more idiots with masks and they're wearing them alone in their cars again. ...
(spoken with a breathless nervous voice)
but don't you know that we are entering flu season?
and it's supposed to be worse this year because of all the isolation that people have done the past couple of years.
ah, irony.
Post by: Rush on December 14, 2022, 09:23:06 AM
Funding: This project was supported by a Canada Research Chair in Medical Decision Sciences, the Canadian Institutes of Health Research, the Graduate Diploma in Health Research at the University of Toronto, and the National Sciences & Engineering Research Council of Canada. The views expressed are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the Ontario Ministry of Health.
Without googling all those entities I’m going out on a limb and guessing the Canadian taxpayers largely funded this study which concluded that the Canadian working taxpayers are dangerous risk takers.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 14, 2022, 09:27:13 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 14, 2022, 10:14:06 AM
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/inflection-wednesday-december-14
Post by: Number7 on December 14, 2022, 11:12:43 AM
Not covidiocy, but a real turnaround of the narrative.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/inflection-wednesday-december-14
Interesting from the article:
These reports raise questions regarding whether the representations made by the pharmaceutical industry with respect to the safety and risks of their COVID-19 vaccines have been true… The pharmaceutical industry has a notorious history of misleading the public for financial gain. Questions have been raised regarding the veracity of the representations made by the pharmaceutical manufacturers of COVID-19 vaccines, particularly with respect to transmission, prevention, efficacy, and safety. An investigation is warranted
Post by: nddons on December 14, 2022, 11:48:39 AM
That 'study' has about as much significance as the one discovering that menstruating persons are more likely to give birth than non-menstruating people.The “study” could also equate pro-vax people with mask-wearing. You could logically conclude that mask wearers aren’t out and about in society getting along with their lives like anti-maskers.
The 'findings' of the clowns who ran that study are about as trustworthy as something mikey might say about the scam vaccines,
and just as delusional.
I wonder if they found any 'peers' willing to review and approve the 'science' of their scam.
And I wonder who was stupid enough to pay for it.
Ergo, pro-vax mask wearers aren’t driving as much as no -vaxed non mask wearers.
Post by: Rush on December 14, 2022, 12:11:37 PM
The “study” could also equate pro-vax people with mask-wearing. You could logically conclude that mask wearers aren’t out and about in society getting along with their lives like anti-maskers.
Ergo, pro-vax mask wearers aren’t driving as much as no -vaxed non mask wearers.
Exactly. Also goes to how many miles are driven. The study completely side steps that matter by dismissing it with assumptions not backed by any convincing logic.
You have to read the study to even get that far. 99.9999% of the public will never look at the actual study and the takeaway message will be "non-vaxxed are psychologically more dangerous to themselves and others" because that is what the reporting emphasizes.
Post by: Little Joe on December 14, 2022, 12:14:53 PM
The lowest (Covid) vaxed population is younger people.
The group with the highest automobile crash rate is younger people for reasons that have nothing to do with Covid.
Post by: Username on December 14, 2022, 12:25:08 PM
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
That the national slogan of Oceania is equally contradictory is an important testament to the power of the Party’s mass campaign of psychological control. In theory, the Party is able to maintain that “War Is Peace” because having a common enemy keeps the people of Oceania united. “Freedom Is Slavery” because, according to the Party, the man who is independent is doomed to fail. By the same token, “Slavery Is Freedom,” because the man subjected to the collective will is free from danger and want. “Ignorance Is Strength” because the inability of the people to recognize these contradictions cements the power of the authoritarian regime. George Orwell, 1984.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 15, 2022, 06:29:04 AM
WAR IS PEACEAligns with the accepted and glorified inverted morality we see now. Wrong is right, a man is a woman, evil is good, and so on.
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
That the national slogan of Oceania is equally contradictory is an important testament to the power of the Party’s mass campaign of psychological control. In theory, the Party is able to maintain that “War Is Peace” because having a common enemy keeps the people of Oceania united. “Freedom Is Slavery” because, according to the Party, the man who is independent is doomed to fail. By the same token, “Slavery Is Freedom,” because the man subjected to the collective will is free from danger and want. “Ignorance Is Strength” because the inability of the people to recognize these contradictions cements the power of the authoritarian regime. George Orwell, 1984.
Post by: Anthony on December 15, 2022, 06:54:05 AM
Interesting from the article:
These reports raise questions regarding whether the representations made by the pharmaceutical industry with respect to the safety and risks of their COVID-19 vaccines have been true… The pharmaceutical industry has a notorious history of misleading the public for financial gain. Questions have been raised regarding the veracity of the representations made by the pharmaceutical manufacturers of COVID-19 vaccines, particularly with respect to transmission, prevention, efficacy, and safety. An investigation is warranted
Because the U.S. Democrats and foreign Leftist Globalists ENABLED and ENCOURAGED them because they were all profiting. This needs to see the light of day but the MEDIA supports it too because they are all CONNECTED.
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2022, 07:28:53 AM
Post by: Number7 on December 15, 2022, 07:30:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/jEaEoys.gif)
Mine too.
Post by: Username on December 15, 2022, 09:24:42 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 15, 2022, 10:45:15 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 15, 2022, 01:03:26 PM
https://twitter.com/breaking911/status/1603479552659005440
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 15, 2022, 01:05:18 PM
https://gab.com/vaccineregrets/posts/109518977262781233
Post by: Lucifer on December 18, 2022, 06:54:18 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 18, 2022, 06:54:40 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 18, 2022, 07:38:54 AM
https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1604117209076404225
A link in the comments:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/data-review/vaccines.html
My questions is, is anyone still actually dying from Covid? Many of the vaxxed I know are testing positive for it right and left and even multiple times. It’s like a cold, they say. It’s obvious to all but the most die-hard idiot that any protection the vaccine provides is modest and transient, and far outweighed by the cumulative risk incurred by subjecting one’s body to repeated vaccines.
It’s bizarre to see people who’ve lived in fear of Covid for three years, washing off their groceries and basically hibernating, all vaxxed up, finally actually get Covid. And they’re not dying.
Post by: Anthony on December 18, 2022, 08:33:05 AM
Post by: nddons on December 18, 2022, 11:17:59 AM
A link in the comments:I’ve been asking that myself. I hear NOTHING about covid deaths. Nothing.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/data-review/vaccines.html
My questions is, is anyone still actually dying from Covid? Many of the vaxxed I know are testing positive for it right and left and even multiple times. It’s like a cold, they say. It’s obvious to all but the most die-hard idiot that any protection the vaccine provides is modest and transient, and far outweighed by the cumulative risk incurred by subjecting one’s body to repeated vaccines.
It’s bizarre to see people who’ve lived in fear of Covid for three years, washing off their groceries and basically hibernating, all vaxxed up, finally actually get Covid. And they’re not dying.
Post by: Lucifer on December 18, 2022, 11:24:08 AM
The recent uptick in healthy young adults being struck with cardiovascular events is on the rise, and again, being ignored.
And now we have the libtards protesting in various places they want mask mandates back. Keep in mind no one is restricting them from wearing the compliance diaper, but they want everyone else mandated to wear the diaper.
The covidiocy continues.
Post by: Lucifer on December 18, 2022, 11:36:26 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/canadas-health-director-parliamentary-affairs-lead-canadas-response-team-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-dies-suddenly-35/
Post by: texasag93 on December 18, 2022, 12:48:21 PM
“Safe and Effective”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/canadas-health-director-parliamentary-affairs-lead-canadas-response-team-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-dies-suddenly-35/
Monkeypox?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 18, 2022, 03:41:31 PM
We have not had 100k deaths since we passed 1M.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 18, 2022, 04:10:43 PM
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
We have not had 100k deaths since we passed 1M.
even with people deliberately overcounting "covid" deaths...
Post by: nddons on December 18, 2022, 04:17:30 PM
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-homeI do not believe we had 3,000 covid deaths last week. I can’t trust the CDC.
We have not had 100k deaths since we passed 1M.
Post by: jb1842 on December 18, 2022, 04:30:28 PM
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
We have not had 100k deaths since we passed 1M.
There is no money in covid anymore.
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 18, 2022, 05:15:39 PM
I do not believe we had 3,000 covid deaths last week. I can’t trust the CDC.
Then go to each of the 50 state health departments and check their numbers. The state numbers in turn come from the cause of death as reported by the attending physician or a coroner. How deep does your distrust go?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 18, 2022, 05:34:01 PM
Then go to each of the 50 state health departments and check their numbers. The state numbers in turn come from the cause of death as reported by the attending physician or a coroner. How deep does your distrust go?
note that maskachusetts will count as a covid death any death due to natural causes (death certificate) when the person had tested positive for covid in the preceeding 30 days. (source is mass.gov).
(https://www.mass.gov/news/department-of-public-health-updates-covid-19-death-definition)
Imagine if the anti-vaxxers used the same type of bogus counting...
Post by: Lucifer on December 18, 2022, 06:02:08 PM
Then go to each of the 50 state health departments and check their numbers. The state numbers in turn come from the cause of death as reported by the attending physician or a coroner. How deep does your distrust go?
And since we are still in a covid emergency, each time a "covid death" or "covid treatment" is recorded, the federal cash register opens up and more covid relief pours out. So yes, attending physicians and hospitals are encouraged to report covid deaths, regardless if it was because of covid or died with covid, or one of the many faulty covid test were administered to get a result.
It's been obvious from the beginning we've been lied to and have been played. The scamdemic was all about power and centralizing wealth.
And yes, the government LIED and continues to lie.
Post by: Anthony on December 18, 2022, 06:45:58 PM
Post by: nddons on December 18, 2022, 08:57:39 PM
Then go to each of the 50 state health departments and check their numbers. The state numbers in turn come from the cause of death as reported by the attending physician or a coroner. How deep does your distrust go?I distrust anyone who draws a paycheck from the US Treasury. Deep enough?
Since I stand by my statement that I hear of no one dying from Covid - no personal knowledge, no local news coverage - I’d like to know whether we’ve ever cleared up the distinction of people dying FROM covid from people dying WITH covid.
And which instance are included in the CDCs numbers?
Post by: Number7 on December 18, 2022, 08:59:59 PM
Then go to each of the 50 state health departments and check their numbers. The state numbers in turn come from the cause of death as reported by the attending physician or a coroner. How deep does your distrust go?
Far deeper than your obsession with pretending to know better than every one else.
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 18, 2022, 09:56:25 PM
https://doh.sd.gov/documents/statistics/Mortality-Report-2022-Provisional.pdf (https://doh.sd.gov/documents/statistics/Mortality-Report-2022-Provisional.pdf)
Gov. Kristi Noem appoints the Secretary of the SD Department of Health which authors such reports.
There was clearly an excess of deaths during the winter months. According to the chart on page 2 March through June of 2020-2022 were near or even below normal death rates. There never was a state-wide shutdown nor any state-required mask mandates. It's alleged Covid death rate is near the average for the whole US.
It is possible it is made-up BS, though why show so few deaths during the spring and beginning of summer of all three years if the intent is to make things appear bad?
Still 25 alleged covid deaths this September.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 19, 2022, 06:57:49 AM
I distrust anyone who draws a paycheck from the US Treasury. Deep enough?
Since I stand by my statement that I hear of no one dying from Covid - no personal knowledge, no local news coverage - I’d like to know whether we’ve ever cleared up the distinction of people dying FROM covid from people dying WITH covid.
And which instance are included in the CDCs numbers?
Hey, at least maskachusetts is making a distinction between the number of people in hospitals that have covid and the number of people in the hospital because of covid.
Interestingly, less than a third of the people in the hospital with covid are there because of covid.
(I'm getting the number from mass.gov)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 19, 2022, 07:28:09 AM
Post by: Little Joe on December 19, 2022, 07:43:28 AM
FAA guide on "no-fly" drugs.
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/avs/offices/aam/ame/guide/pharm/dni_dnf/
Quote
FDA (Food and Drug Administration) approved less than 12 months ago. The FAA generally requires at least one-year of post-marketing experience with a new drug before consideration for aeromedical certification purposes. This observation period allows time for uncommon, but aeromedically significant, adverse effects to manifest themselves. Contact either your Regional Flight Surgeon or AMCD for guidance on specific applicants or to request consideration for a particular medication.
How many of us flew in that first year after getting the newly approved shot?
How many of us died under those circumstances?
Post by: nddons on December 19, 2022, 08:15:09 AM
South Dakota Mortality Report, 2022 (Provisional):I checked Wisconsin’s statistics. Looks like they are using the exact same program as the CDC - even the font is the same.
https://doh.sd.gov/documents/statistics/Mortality-Report-2022-Provisional.pdf (https://doh.sd.gov/documents/statistics/Mortality-Report-2022-Provisional.pdf)
Gov. Kristi Noem appoints the Secretary of the SD Department of Health which authors such reports.
There was clearly an excess of deaths during the winter months. According to the chart on page 2 March through June of 2020-2022 were near or even below normal death rates. There never was a state-wide shutdown nor any state-required mask mandates. It's alleged Covid death rate is near the average for the whole US.
It is possible it is made-up BS, though why show so few deaths during the spring and beginning of summer of all three years if the intent is to make things appear bad?
Still 25 alleged covid deaths this September.
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/deaths.htm
Post by: Anthony on December 19, 2022, 09:01:15 AM
I’m not seeing numbers of Covid deaths (always untrustworthy, but anyway) anywhere near justifying the continued admonishments of the Oval Office thief and the CDC director and the guy who is Fauci 2.0 for EVERYONE, even little kiddies, to pump experimental genetic instructions into their bodies every few months.
The absolute over reaction to Covid is one of the most criminal conspiracies the World has seen.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 19, 2022, 09:05:33 AM
How can they know with such certainty something that didn’t happen?
Viruses evolve to be less virulent. Why don’t they understand this?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 19, 2022, 09:07:45 AM
The absolute over reaction to Covid is one of the most criminal conspiracies the World has seen.
I submit that the anti-gun research is a bigger problem and more pervasive.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20221219/research-experiment-exposes-key-problem-with-anti-gun-social-science
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 19, 2022, 09:10:41 AM
The jabbed-up people I know who got Covid and said it was like a cold are like this: “It would have been worse without my jabs!”
How can they know with such certainty something that didn’t happen?
Viruses evolve to be less virulent. Why don’t they understand this?
and how many tested positive for covid and didn't have any symptoms?
When I was standing in line for my first jab, I struck up a conversation with the guy behind me. He told me that in his household of 4, all of them tested positive for covid but he didn't feel an symptoms. This was *before* the jab was available.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 19, 2022, 09:18:36 AM
Post by: Anthony on December 19, 2022, 11:14:27 AM
I submit that the anti-gun research is a bigger problem and more pervasive.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20221219/research-experiment-exposes-key-problem-with-anti-gun-social-science
Long term, absolutely agree.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on December 19, 2022, 12:35:24 PM
The absolute over reaction to Covid is one of the most criminal conspiracies the World has seen.
Never let a good crisis go to waste. Even if the crisis is invented from whole cloth.
Post by: Lucifer on December 19, 2022, 03:26:21 PM
Post by: Lucifer on December 19, 2022, 03:27:21 PM
Post by: Anthony on December 20, 2022, 03:35:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/VfKwoXt.png)
The takeover is complete. The horse has already left the barn and we're saying, Please Silver, come back. The Lone Ranger still exists!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 20, 2022, 10:36:47 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 21, 2022, 09:36:44 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 26, 2022, 07:28:34 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 26, 2022, 09:13:19 AM
https://vashiva.com/first-amendment-twitter-galvin-lawsuit/ (https://vashiva.com/first-amendment-twitter-galvin-lawsuit/)
Link to the spaces convo.....https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1zqKVPpzoNZJB?s=20
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 26, 2022, 10:50:24 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 26, 2022, 04:40:13 PM
Post by: jb1842 on December 27, 2022, 10:31:20 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 27, 2022, 10:42:43 AM
It's sad, truly sad...
Post by: Anthony on December 27, 2022, 06:08:14 PM
Post by: Mase on December 28, 2022, 02:23:16 PM
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1607989683077758977
Post by: Rush on December 28, 2022, 07:16:18 PM
A case of the fox guarding the henhouse:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1607989683077758977
That’s insane! No conflict of interest there!
Post by: Lucifer on December 28, 2022, 08:35:46 PM
MSM and Big Tech did their part to suppress the story.
Post by: Lucifer on December 29, 2022, 09:42:36 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 29, 2022, 09:44:42 AM
He was vaxxed and religiously boosted.
“Safe and Effective”……
Post by: Lucifer on December 30, 2022, 07:27:12 AM
Post by: Anthony on December 30, 2022, 08:16:43 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 30, 2022, 08:51:48 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 30, 2022, 09:40:05 AM
A friend of mine, a 19 y.o girl in good health, thin, works out and in good shape, recently had a heart attack. She's fine now, but still. 19! Yep, vaxed and boosted.
"Safe and Effective"
Don't question "the science"
Post by: Anthony on December 30, 2022, 12:18:46 PM
"Safe and Effective"
Don't question "the science"
I asked her what was the cause. She replied. "They don't know." >:(
Post by: Lucifer on December 30, 2022, 12:23:30 PM
I asked her what was the cause. She replied. "They don't know." >:(
Oh, they know.
So should we just start calling it what it is? Covidicide? Pfizernasia? Vaxicide?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 31, 2022, 09:04:37 AM
Post by: nddons on December 31, 2022, 01:05:00 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/bJ7AHpF.jpg)I’m stealing this.
Post by: Lucifer on January 03, 2023, 08:35:01 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 03, 2023, 09:27:57 AM
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1582364414539403264/pu/vid/848x464/mtWoO7t_OYVbNalN.mp4?tag=14
the clown was right (even a blind squirrel...). A vaccinated person has a very low chance of getting covid-19.
of course, an unvaccinated person has basically the same chance. But, hey, let's give the clown his due...
Post by: jb1842 on January 03, 2023, 09:54:53 AM
Post by: Rush on January 03, 2023, 10:04:55 AM
I never got covid until after I got the shot.
I might have got Covid or maybe I didn’t. I had Schrodinger’s Covid.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 03, 2023, 10:06:09 AM
Like most people, my FLU-like symptoms were extremely mild. If common cold symptoms were that mild, the various companies making cold meds would go broke.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 06, 2023, 06:07:42 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 08, 2023, 06:44:39 AM
Post by: Anthony on January 08, 2023, 11:40:35 AM
Post by: jb1842 on January 09, 2023, 08:31:37 AM
This morning I had to tell my son that one of his friends died last night. A 5 year old girl went to the ER a few days ago for a high fever and was lethargic. Went into septic shock last night and died. He's known her for 2 years. Was in preschool with her and the same kindergarten class this year.
I'm in shock, angry, emotional and I can't imagine what the parents are going through. And part of me can't helped be pissed at the government and the medical community for all this covid bullshit. Now, I'm not blaming covid directly. But don't tell that lockdowns and face coverings didn't weaken that child's immune system at a time when its development was important. And do I wonder if there was negligence in at the hospital? Absolutely. I have to think if they didn't have such a hardon for covid and have such tunnel vision for it, they might have been more open-minded and caught something sooner and she might still be alive.
Rant over. I may be wrong, but fuck, this shouldn't be happening.
Post by: Lucifer on January 09, 2023, 08:39:43 AM
The largest wealth transfer in history. Individual rights stripped away because of a induced "emergency". The side effects on health will be felt for decades to come.
The criminality of the scamdemic surpasses everything to date, and we have yet to see any accountability of the perpetrators.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 09, 2023, 10:39:21 AM
I’m old enough to remember when zero of my little classmates and friends died. Zero. There never was even a cancer death amongst us kids. When colds and flu struck we just kept going to school if we felt okay.
The first death of a classmate was a suicide in middle school. High school kids didn’t die of illness either. I remember clearly there was not one. Only accidents and death from stupid hijinks.
Post by: Number7 on January 09, 2023, 11:47:40 AM
Post by: Rush on January 09, 2023, 04:14:09 PM
I need to vent here and get some shit off my chest...
This morning I had to tell my son that one of his friends died last night. A 5 year old girl went to the ER a few days ago for a high fever and was lethargic. Went into septic shock last night and died. He's known her for 2 years. Was in preschool with her and the same kindergarten class this year.
I'm in shock, angry, emotional and I can't imagine what the parents are going through. And part of me can't helped be pissed at the government and the medical community for all this covid bullshit. Now, I'm not blaming covid directly. But don't tell that lockdowns and face coverings didn't weaken that child's immune system at a time when its development was important. And do I wonder if there was negligence in at the hospital? Absolutely. I have to think if they didn't have such a hardon for covid and have such tunnel vision for it, they might have been more open-minded and caught something sooner and she might still be alive.
Rant over. I may be wrong, but fuck, this shouldn't be happening.
Sepsis from certain bacterial infections can happen very suddenly. A coworker’s 17 year old daughter died from it. She fell ill with fever and only 24 hours later was dead. This was back in the 1990s. Also in the 1990s my daughter’s first grade classmate dropped dead for no apparent reason. Supposedly cardiac arrest. When I was 14, I had a classmate who would drop on the floor with seizures (epilepsy). This kind of thing has always happened but since Covid and the vaccine there has been a hyper awareness of it and lots of publicity and speculation that either lockdowns or vaccines are causing more of it. I don’t know if that is true or if we are just hearing about it more than we used to.
I do believe lockdowns have been very detrimental to our immune systems. It’s very possible this kid was compromised. But it’s also possible this would have happened anyway. I share your rage about lockdowns and the possibility the kid was compromised. But there was probably no negligence at the hospital. If it was like my coworker’s daughter, there was nothing they could have done.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 09, 2023, 06:27:39 PM
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1612519798184763413
Post by: Rush on January 09, 2023, 08:13:32 PM
What a flaming piece of human filth, masquerading as president.
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1612519798184763413
Agree. Fuck boosters, never again will I jab.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 09, 2023, 08:21:50 PM
What a flaming piece of human filth, masquerading as president.I replied to that Tweet.
https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1612519798184763413 (https://twitter.com/POTUS/status/1612519798184763413)
Post by: Lucifer on January 10, 2023, 06:47:54 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 10, 2023, 06:50:35 AM
Post by: Username on January 10, 2023, 07:16:59 AM
Post by: jb1842 on January 10, 2023, 09:49:27 AM
Sepsis from certain bacterial infections can happen very suddenly. A coworker’s 17 year old daughter died from it. She fell ill with fever and only 24 hours later was dead. This was back in the 1990s. Also in the 1990s my daughter’s first grade classmate dropped dead for no apparent reason. Supposedly cardiac arrest. When I was 14, I had a classmate who would drop on the floor with seizures (epilepsy). This kind of thing has always happened but since Covid and the vaccine there has been a hyper awareness of it and lots of publicity and speculation that either lockdowns or vaccines are causing more of it. I don’t know if that is true or if we are just hearing about it more than we used to.
I do believe lockdowns have been very detrimental to our immune systems. It’s very possible this kid was compromised. But it’s also possible this would have happened anyway. I share your rage about lockdowns and the possibility the kid was compromised. But there was probably no negligence at the hospital. If it was like my coworker’s daughter, there was nothing they could have done.
You're probably right. I just needed to vent. Another friend of mine had her 9 year old daughter almost die from septic shock right before Christmas with the same symptoms. The same hospital (childrens hospital in cleveland) caught it and found she had a strep A infection and it spread to he brain fluid. They had to remove a grapefruit piece size of her skull to drain the fluid and get the infection under control. She still hasn't had the piece of skull put back on yet. I'm still wondering if our local hospital, which sucks, waited too long on the 6 year old before they sent her off to the childrens. Playing the what if game will drive me nuts, but same thing with airplane accidents, I want to learn as much as I can to prevent anything happening to my son in the future. My one saving grace is our pedeatrician is a 10 second walk from our house in an emergency.
Post by: Rush on January 10, 2023, 11:06:19 AM
You're probably right. I just needed to vent. Another friend of mine had her 9 year old daughter almost die from septic shock right before Christmas with the same symptoms. The same hospital (childrens hospital in cleveland) caught it and found she had a strep A infection and it spread to he brain fluid. They had to remove a grapefruit piece size of her skull to drain the fluid and get the infection under control. She still hasn't had the piece of skull put back on yet. I'm still wondering if our local hospital, which sucks, waited too long on the 6 year old before they sent her off to the childrens. Playing the what if game will drive me nuts, but same thing with airplane accidents, I want to learn as much as I can to prevent anything happening to my son in the future. My one saving grace is our pedeatrician is a 10 second walk from our house in an emergency.
That's how it went with my coworker's daughter, it is actually meningitis/encephalitis but the initial symptoms are indistinguishable from regular flu; fever, headache, fatigue. By the time the symptoms are alarming, high fever, lethargy, vomiting, it is progressing very rapidly and might be too late. Once it goes systemic, the capillaries break down and you're bleeding out from the inside. Her last words were, "Dad I can't see," because she was bleeding into her eyeballs. It was horrific. But like I said, 24 hours. It fools the doctors too, and this thing has always been around, but fortunately it's rare and there are vaccines against some of these bacteria, I forget which one(s), I'm no healthcare expert. Just was a bit traumatized by my coworker's case.
Sepsis terrifies me. If it doesn't kill you it can leave you with amputated limbs, blind, organ damage, very messed up.
Post by: Username on January 10, 2023, 11:13:36 AM
Sepsis terrifies me. If it doesn't kill you it can leave you with amputated limbs, blind, organ damage, very messed up.It terrifies me, too. Before each of my surgeries they had me scrub down with some really nasty chemical soap paying particular attention to the surgery sites. Then dress in clean clothes. Then quickly change to a sterile gown once I was there. Lots of additional scrubbing and more chemicals at the surgery site and well beyond. The hospital was taking sepsis VERY seriously, which I certainly appreciated.
Post by: jb1842 on January 10, 2023, 11:18:18 AM
That's how it went with my coworker's daughter, it is actually meningitis/encephalitis but the initial symptoms are indistinguishable from regular flu; fever, headache, fatigue. By the time the symptoms are alarming, high fever, lethargy, vomiting, it is progressing very rapidly and might be too late. Once it goes systemic, the capillaries break down and you're bleeding out from the inside. Her last words were, "Dad I can't see," because she was bleeding into her eyeballs. It was horrific. But like I said, 24 hours. It fools the doctors too, and this thing has always been around, but fortunately it's rare and there are vaccines against some of these bacteria, I forget which one(s), I'm no healthcare expert. Just was a bit traumatized by my coworker's case.
Sepsis terrifies me. If it doesn't kill you it can leave you with amputated limbs, blind, organ damage, very messed up.
We just found out she got a UTI, infection spread, got sepsis, and she had a stroke. Now we are having the debate whether we take our son to the visitation and funeral. I think he's too young to see his friend in a coffin at the visitation. The funeral is during school hours, so we reached out to the school/other parents to see if anything is being planned so all the kids can be together.
Post by: Rush on January 10, 2023, 11:33:38 AM
It terrifies me, too. Before each of my surgeries they had me scrub down with some really nasty chemical soap paying particular attention to the surgery sites. Then dress in clean clothes. Then quickly change to a sterile gown once I was there. Lots of additional scrubbing and more chemicals at the surgery site and well beyond. The hospital was taking sepsis VERY seriously, which I certainly appreciated.
Yes! I had to do all that with my hip surgery. They even had me put antibiotic ointment up my nose twice a day. The operative notes show that after he was done with the hardware installation he injected a cocktail full of antibiotics and painkillers directly into all the area before he sewed me up. Then I had this wound vac seal thing, and then an anti-germ silver ion bandaid thing. They were totally OCD about infection. And they gave me special antiseptic soap I had to use when I showered for two weeks afterwards.
Post by: Rush on January 10, 2023, 11:37:00 AM
We just found out she got a UTI, infection spread, got sepsis, and she had a stroke. Now we are having the debate whether we take our son to the visitation and funeral. I think he's too young to see his friend in a coffin at the visitation. The funeral is during school hours, so we reached out to the school/other parents to see if anything is being planned so all the kids can be together.
OMG sepsis from a UTI! I know that happens but usually it's old people. Their immune systems are compromised (!) and they are often too demented to realize they have symptoms and so don't get treated early. I would think a UTI ascending like that in a 5 year old would be extremely rare, especially a healthy one. Yes, that makes me very suspicious about weakened immunity possibly due to lockdowns. They really NEED to collect data and study this, we must NEVER have lockdowns again ever.
Post by: jb1842 on January 10, 2023, 11:51:28 AM
OMG sepsis from a UTI! I know that happens but usually it's old people. Their immune systems are compromised (!) and they are often too demented to realize they have symptoms and so don't get treated early. I would think a UTI ascending like that in a 5 year old would be extremely rare, especially a healthy one. Yes, that makes me very suspicious about weakened immunity possibly due to lockdowns. They really NEED to collect data and study this, we must NEVER have lockdowns again ever.
As a parent, I'm relieved (if you can be in such a horrible situation) that it's not something that could have been passed to other kids at school. But, JFC, that shouldn't happen to a little girl.
Post by: Rush on January 10, 2023, 12:33:14 PM
As a parent, I'm relieved (if you can be in such a horrible situation) that it's not something that could have been passed to other kids at school. But, JFC, that shouldn't happen to a little girl.
Agree. My coworker's meningitis was a contagious bug that was going around her school, but most kids get a mild case or are not symptomatic. They don't know why some apparently healthy people can't fight it off.
Post by: nddons on January 10, 2023, 03:37:24 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 10, 2023, 04:13:34 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 10, 2023, 06:07:24 PM
this. Is life becoming more dangerous in terms of illness?
https://www.morningjournal.com/2023/01/10/huron-mourns-kindergarten-student-who-died-unexpectedly-from-medical-issue
Post by: nddons on January 10, 2023, 07:12:23 PM
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/13d2jHlSlxklVe/giphy.gif)
Post by: jb1842 on January 10, 2023, 07:38:57 PM
It may be the internet age where we see much more than we would in our local area, but still. I ran across
this. Is life becoming more dangerous in terms of illness?
https://www.morningjournal.com/2023/01/10/huron-mourns-kindergarten-student-who-died-unexpectedly-from-medical-issue
That's her.
Post by: Rush on January 10, 2023, 08:30:50 PM
It may be the internet age where we see much more than we would in our local area, but still. I ran across
this. Is life becoming more dangerous in terms of illness?
https://www.morningjournal.com/2023/01/10/huron-mourns-kindergarten-student-who-died-unexpectedly-from-medical-issue
Awww she’s so cute.
Post by: nddons on January 10, 2023, 09:21:22 PM
Awww she’s so cute.She is.
I’m getting so mad at this world. She died of a “medical issue” as if that’s a “thing.”
It’s not a thing. It’s not a cause of death, for fuck’s sake. Will ANYONE start to investigate these deaths?
I feel like we are Austrian Christians in 1938 who somehow get the feeling that Jews are disappearing from our villages, but no one dares say anything, out of fear. In the mean time, we all went along with our lives as if nothing was happening.
Post by: Lucifer on January 11, 2023, 05:16:47 AM
That little evil bastard needs a tribunal, then an execution, along with so many of his cohorts.
Post by: Lucifer on January 11, 2023, 05:18:42 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 11, 2023, 05:20:05 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 11, 2023, 05:22:39 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 11, 2023, 09:33:29 AM
https://twitter.com/davidwolfe/status/1612994071362146309
Post by: nddons on January 11, 2023, 12:13:47 PM
Get your coincidence the treatment it deserves.(https://media2.giphy.com/media/VLe9cJCjYWXLy/giphy.gif)
https://twitter.com/davidwolfe/status/1612994071362146309
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 11, 2023, 04:41:18 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 12, 2023, 07:50:09 AM
Quote
Circulating Spike Protein Detected in Post–COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Myocarditis
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 12, 2023, 08:38:26 AM
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1612269499671252992?s=20
Post by: Lucifer on January 12, 2023, 04:18:52 PM
Post by: Anthony on January 12, 2023, 06:23:44 PM
(https://media2.giphy.com/media/VLe9cJCjYWXLy/giphy.gif)
Roundteen. Lol!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 12, 2023, 08:17:32 PM
Post by: Little Joe on January 13, 2023, 04:17:35 AM
I guess everyone dies, but it sure seems like a lot of healthy young people are dying these days
And its 5, 6,7 open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
WHOOPEE we're all gonna die
Post by: Lucifer on January 13, 2023, 06:37:57 AM
Lisa Marie Presley dead from a heart attack at 54
Her lifestyle accelerated the process, no shock there.
Post by: Rush on January 13, 2023, 06:42:57 AM
Lisa Marie Presley dead from a heart attack at 54
She died of a broken heart. She was in deep grief since the suicide of her son 2 years ago. The exact same thing happened to my brother in law. My sister (his wife) died and he never got over it, he remained deeply depressed. He died 3 years later of “cardiac arrest”. This was 2009, no vax involved. We all knew it was broken heart syndrome.
Post by: jb1842 on January 13, 2023, 06:50:49 AM
Her lifestyle accelerated the process, no shock there.
I agree. The pics of her at the awards show the other night, she looked older than her mom.
Post by: Anthony on January 13, 2023, 07:18:12 AM
Post by: Username on January 14, 2023, 10:30:36 AM
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/bivalent-boosters.html
Quote
Following the availability and use of the updated (bivalent) COVID-19 vaccines, CDC’s Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD), a near real-time surveillance system, met the statistical criteria to prompt additional investigation into whether there was a safety concern for ischemic stroke in people ages 65 and older who received the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, Bivalent.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 14, 2023, 10:33:08 AM
https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1612269499671252992?s=20
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 14, 2023, 10:37:25 AM
Quote
Furthermore, the court found that the mandate was “arbitrary and capricious” as COVID-19 vaccines do not stop transmission, vitiating any rational basis for a mandate.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 14, 2023, 08:01:55 PM
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYz-yelhkYE)
Post by: Lucifer on January 17, 2023, 04:12:21 AM
Post by: nddons on January 17, 2023, 06:21:26 AM
Post by: Rush on January 17, 2023, 08:21:28 AM
https://twitter.com/healthbyjames/status/1614441788856492033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1614441788856492033%7Ctwgr%5E298ae07bd84b76dbdf235cdb0ab41bba4268b952%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcitizenfreepress.com%2Fbreaking%2Fbillionaires-want-unvaccinated-pilots-for-private-jets%2F
Is that kind of like how the heart surgeons (that say you need a bypass) get chelation to avoid surgery when they get plaque in their arteries?
Or the lockdowners who said you don’t need to do your roots let their hair salon do them?
Post by: Rush on January 17, 2023, 08:23:03 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CnfkHUGMf0G/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=
Speaking of masks, I had to go get blood drawn this morning and all the nurses were wearing masks again. WTF? They had stopped. This is Texas. What the hell is going on?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 17, 2023, 09:11:35 AM
Speaking of masks, I had to go get blood drawn this morning and all the nurses were wearing masks again. WTF? They had stopped. This is Texas. What the hell is going on?My guess, winter time, more people are afraid.
Went to the doctor's office last week, it is co-located with the hospital. Went in the side door that was blocked during COVID and saw a sign saying face masks required. I kept on truckin` and nobody stopped me or said anything. I did see a lot of folks with masks.
Post by: nddons on January 17, 2023, 09:42:40 AM
Speaking of masks, I had to go get blood drawn this morning and all the nurses were wearing masks again. WTF? They had stopped. This is Texas. What the hell is going on?My current hospital system hasn’t stopped masks since this thing started. Honestly, people are gross and are coughing up a lot of shit this time of year. I might wear a mask too if I had to see a patient.
Post by: texasag93 on January 17, 2023, 06:15:51 PM
Speaking of masks, I had to go get blood drawn this morning and all the nurses were wearing masks again. WTF? They had stopped. This is Texas. What the hell is going on?
We have a 4th year surgical resident rotating through our office and she wears a mask.
Stupid is as stupid does.
A 4th year surgical resident has a bachelors degree (4 years) , a medical degree (4 years) , and is the 4th year of a 5 year surgical training program. My wife calls it 24th grade.
Post by: nddons on January 17, 2023, 06:49:32 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/doj-defending-mask-mandate-on-planes-months-after-biden-said-pandemic-is-over/ar-AA16rP0n
Post by: Anthony on January 18, 2023, 03:27:55 AM
We have a 4th year surgical resident rotating through our office and she wears a mask.
Stupid is as stupid does.
A 4th year surgical resident has a bachelors degree (4 years) , a medical degree (4 years) , and is the 4th year of a 5 year surgical training program. My wife calls it 24th grade.
Just Indoctrination. She has intelligence but not reasoned intelligence. I see it a lot in Leftists. Rainbows and Unicorns are their goals.
Post by: Rush on January 18, 2023, 09:45:18 AM
Just Indoctrination. She has intelligence but not reasoned intelligence. I see it a lot in Leftists. Rainbows and Unicorns are their goals.
I fear this might be happening to my daughter. She’s a nurse, and now a PhD candidate at Duke University. I get hints she is succumbing to the urban healthcare/academic environment and taking on some of their illogical beliefs. But she shuts down when you try to engage her in discussion on anything remotely political. She was raised as a libertarian and all I can do is hope that deep down she still basically is.
Post by: Lucifer on January 20, 2023, 06:48:33 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 22, 2023, 08:25:25 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 23, 2023, 06:11:55 AM
Post by: nddons on January 23, 2023, 10:51:26 AM
Post by: Username on January 23, 2023, 11:41:11 AM
Quote
Continental cylinders are failing and killing 1% pilots whose engines malfunction.
FAA: OMG, Emergency AD to ground all airplanes with Continental cylinders!
ACME Aerospace: Hey, we just paid off the largest criminal fine in history for previous misconduct, and we have this radical new cylinder design we drew up yesterday in AutoCAD :shrug: Don't worry, it's been used in a Wankel rotary engine on cars for decades.
Government: Here's a gazillion dollars, produce it immediately.
ACME Aerospace: Sure, I like money. *produces 6 cylinders, makes one trip around the pattern, declares them good to go.*
FAA: Sounds good to me! "Free" cylinders for everyone with a Continental engine! Until they ship, Continental Engines must be kept at LEAST 60' away from Lycoming, Franklin and Rotax engines. Additionally, they must all change their air filters daily; even if they are in their hangars by themselves.
Pilots: Sweet; I feel much safer.
Smart pilots: Umm... About the testing? This is a brand new kind of cylinder, right? Does Acme Aerospace even have a PMA? Hey, I've been having some pretty good luck with LOP ops, regular oil changes with a bit of Marvel Mystery Oil and cam guard keeping my cylinders operating just fine, can I just keep using that?
Pilots: Shut up, conspiracy theorist! Engineering-denier! Anti-Piston!
FAA: Emergency AD: Marvel Mystery Oil and CamGuard cannot be used in certified engines.
A few months later:
FAA: We have granted an emergency authorization.
The next day...
FAA: Emergency AD: ACME AEROSPACE CYLINDERS MUST BE INSTALLED ON ALL PISTON AIRCRAFT - EVEN DIESELS - BEFORE FURTHER FLIGHT, and did I mention they are "free!" Also, the Aviation Distancing Policy of 60' and daily air filter changes remains in effect even after compliance with this AD.
Pilots: Sweet!
Smart pilots: Uhh... tell me more about the PMA? And, can I see the testing you used to certify these cylinders? Oh, you want to wait 75 years to release it? Hmmm.. Also, what's with all the commercials and social media posts about failing Continental cylinders?? I can't seem to even ask questions on social media without my posts being covered up by "fact-checkers" I've never heard of.
A few months go by:
FAA: We have issued Acme Aerospace a PMA for part numbers beginning with 98-000003. These cylinders are approved, but they are legally distinct from the cylinders with prior serial numbers.
Pilots: I just got mine!
Smart pilots: Uhhh.. the 8130 is blank. The serial number stamped on the flange is 13-847.
Pilots: The FAA says these are interchangeable. "Legally distinct" doesn't mean anything.
Smart pilots: But these aren't PMA and they are not approved. Are you sure you want to carry your family in this? I'm pretty sure "legally distinct" means something, dude...
Pilots: Why are you endangering my family by flying over them with Continental cylinders? Engineering-denier!
Elon Musk: Hey, I just bought Twitter, and you won't believe what the FAA has been doing, colluding with social media to shut down any discussion of cylinder replacement and Acme Aerospace.
FAA: You will be required to change your cylinders every hundred hours of flight time.
A few months go by...
NTSB: we sure have been investigating a lot of engine failures lately.
Pilots: Can't be the cylinders like the ones I just installed; must be because they were operating LOP with MMO.
FAA: We changed the definition of accident to specifically exclude engine failures; also cylinders are only required to make a 10/80 in a compression test now.
Smart pilots: What were the serial numbers of the cylinders in the mishap aircraft? What is the data behind the reduction in the compression test threshold? Also, can these families sue Acme Aerospace for their product? Can they sue you, the FAA?
FAA: Please meet us at your plane tomorrow morning with your logbooks for a ramp check. Also, we will be pulling your ADS-B logs to check for compliance and possible enforcement action.
Pilots: Ha-ha! That's what you get, engineering-denier.
NTSB: Umm... it sure looks like the engines we see in these crashes have several systemic failures we've never seen in engines at this age/hours before. Also, we're getting a lot of noise about other maintenance induced failures that may or may not be related to these cylinders during the swap-out.
FAA: Weird, must be global warming
Engine Overhaulers: None of the parts coming in on 75% of the engines brought to us for overhaul can be used; they've been contaminated by something. *Collectively submits 33,000 Service Difficulty Reports to the FAA*
FAA: Anyone can submit those; those numbers are totally unreliable. Hey Acme Aerospace, what serial number are you up to now? Have you gotten to 98-000000003? No? You don't have ANY 98 series cylinders made? Oh, well... I guess just keep shipping the 13 series cylinders. Also, hey, thanks a lot for letting us use your new corporate retreat in Aspen for our annual Christmas Party.
Smart Pilots: Hey, FAA, can I have my licenses back yet? Also, there are more SDRs for these cylinders than all other SDRs for all other components combined. I feel like there's something there you could have a look at. Also, pretty please can I fly again?
NTSB: The general aviation piston crash data for 2022 when compared to 2021 and prior is much hig....
FAA: Zip it! It's just because of the cold snap we experienced last week.
*insert TV commercial for SEDS (Sudden Engine Death Syndrome)*
Post by: nddons on January 23, 2023, 02:35:38 PM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnxO_pzhoug/?igshid=NDk5N2NlZjQ=
Post by: Rush on January 23, 2023, 08:06:53 PM
There were over a hundred of us in the potential jury pool. I only saw 2 wearing masks. They were old sick looking people who both asked to be excused. None of the sheriff’s deputies, bailiffs, clerks, or judges had a mask.
Post by: Lucifer on January 24, 2023, 04:57:27 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 24, 2023, 06:31:31 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on January 24, 2023, 08:33:59 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 24, 2023, 10:27:47 AM
Post by: nddons on January 24, 2023, 12:06:30 PM
I went to the courthouse for jury duty today. The website instructions had said in all caps: MASKS ARE REQUIRED.Yikes. Can you sit there for that long in chairs with your hip?
There were over a hundred of us in the potential jury pool. I only saw 2 wearing masks. They were old sick looking people who both asked to be excused. None of the sheriff’s deputies, bailiffs, clerks, or judges had a mask.
Post by: Rush on January 24, 2023, 12:56:11 PM
Yikes. Can you sit there for that long in chairs with your hip?
I guess I’ll find out. I’ve been selected! It’s a horrible case. Not gonna be fun like my murder case back in the day. I hope to God it’s over with this week. They sent us home early because the schools are letting out because of high wind and weather. My hip did act up a bit from all the sitting this morning but it was on a bench. The jury box chairs are a bit more cushioned. The actual trial will start in the morning. Today it was all selection questioning.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 24, 2023, 01:25:54 PM
I guess I’ll find out. I’ve been selected! It’s a horrible case. Not gonna be fun like my murder case back in the day. I hope to God it’s over with this week. They sent us home early because the schools are letting out because of high wind and weather. My hip did act up a bit from all the sitting this morning but it was on a bench. The jury box chairs are a bit more cushioned. The actual trial will start in the morning. Today it was all selection questioning.
It's somewhat late now, but think long and hard about if you'll be able to tolerate sitting there.
The one and only time I was on a jury (many many moons ago), the judge was really quite unhappy when one person indicated a problem with being able to be there every day. Sixteen people were impaneled, the process was to downselect to the 12 when the cases when to jury, the other 4 would hang out as alternates. Well, on day 1 we lost one jurist. As I said, the judge was not a happy camper.
But, you have a reasonable excuse... especially after the day of questioning, it can give you an idea of your tolerance.
Good luck.
Post by: nddons on January 24, 2023, 03:06:36 PM
It's somewhat late now, but think long and hard about if you'll be able to tolerate sitting there.That’s exactly what I was thinking. Maybe show the judge your scar and give him a wink, Rush?
The one and only time I was on a jury (many many moons ago), the judge was really quite unhappy when one person indicated a problem with being able to be there every day. Sixteen people were impaneled, the process was to downselect to the 12 when the cases when to jury, the other 4 would hang out as alternates. Well, on day 1 we lost one jurist. As I said, the judge was not a happy camper.
But, you have a reasonable excuse... especially after the day of questioning, it can give you an idea of your tolerance.
Good luck.
Post by: Rush on January 24, 2023, 03:23:21 PM
It's somewhat late now, but think long and hard about if you'll be able to tolerate sitting there.
The one and only time I was on a jury (many many moons ago), the judge was really quite unhappy when one person indicated a problem with being able to be there every day. Sixteen people were impaneled, the process was to downselect to the 12 when the cases when to jury, the other 4 would hang out as alternates. Well, on day 1 we lost one jurist. As I said, the judge was not a happy camper.
But, you have a reasonable excuse... especially after the day of questioning, it can give you an idea of your tolerance.
Good luck.
Well I look at it this way. I can sit there all day. It’s just a matter of pain and I have Tylenol, it’s not going to be the kind of pain that is so bad I can’t focus. It’s mild in the grand scheme of things and I’ll recover easily after the trial is over. But the defendant is an old man who if found guilty will be imprisoned for life. Somebody - 12 somebodies - have to take the responsibility for deciding his fate and if not me then who? Compared to what he is facing a few days of my hip discomfort is nothing.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 24, 2023, 04:32:59 PM
Well I look at it this way. I can sit there all day. It’s just a matter of pain and I have Tylenol, it’s not going to be the kind of pain that is so bad I can’t focus. It’s mild in the grand scheme of things and I’ll recover easily after the trial is over. But the defendant is an old man who if found guilty will be imprisoned for life. Somebody - 12 somebodies - have to take the responsibility for deciding his fate and if not me then who? Compared to what he is facing a few days of my hip discomfort is nothing.
You can play the role of the jurist that Henry Fonda played in "Twelve Angry Men". Don't forget to wear all white.
Post by: Little Joe on January 24, 2023, 05:17:33 PM
You can play the role of the jurist that Henry Fonda played in "Twelve Angry Men". Don't forget to wear all white.Then she'd look like the douches that the Democrat Congress women wore to the SOTU a few years go.
Post by: Rush on January 24, 2023, 06:11:08 PM
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Maybe show the judge your scar and give him a wink, Rush?
Her. So maybe flashing my butt and winking won’t work so well. She doesn’t strike me as a lesbian. Anyway, I would have to get a note from my doctor to claim I couldn’t sit there all day.
Update: before I hit post, a tornado just came through. We are fine but it tracked between the next door neighbor and the house next to them. Widespread damage and outages. I’m going to try to post this through my hotspot but cell coverage is slow and spotty.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 24, 2023, 07:22:45 PM
You can play the role of the jurist that Henry Fonda played in "Twelve Angry Men". Don't forget to wear all white.My son actually played that role in a local theater production many years ago.
Post by: Little Joe on January 24, 2023, 07:26:04 PM
Her. So maybe flashing my butt and winking won’t work so well. She doesn’t strike me as a lesbian. Anyway, I would have to get a note from my doctor to claim I couldn’t sit there all day.Wow! Hope your neighbors are ok.
Update: before I hit post, a tornado just came through. We are fine but it tracked between the next door neighbor and the house next to them. Widespread damage and outages. I’m going to try to post this through my hotspot but cell coverage is slow and spotty.
Post by: nddons on January 24, 2023, 07:34:02 PM
Her. So maybe flashing my butt and winking won’t work so well. She doesn’t strike me as a lesbian. Anyway, I would have to get a note from my doctor to claim I couldn’t sit there all day.Holy crap! If you don’t mind sharing, what part of Texas are you in?
Update: before I hit post, a tornado just came through. We are fine but it tracked between the next door neighbor and the house next to them. Widespread damage and outages. I’m going to try to post this through my hotspot but cell coverage is slow and spotty.
Good luck!
Post by: Little Joe on January 24, 2023, 08:09:52 PM
Holy crap! If you don’t mind sharing, what part of Texas are you in?Looking at the weather radar, I guessing the Dallas/Fort Worth Area, or somewhere near there.
Good luck!
Post by: Rush on January 24, 2023, 08:14:44 PM
Wow! Hope your neighbors are ok.
No injuries on our street that I know of but next door neighbor shop is trashed. Two garage size doors on two walls were blown off, one of them all bent up and stuck inside, the other blown out the other side, and all his computer stuff he had in there he uses for work is destroyed. Across the street the carport fell over onto the guy’s RV. A huge sheet of metal is hanging over the power line across the street. It might have come from the house behind the one across from us, a corner was torn apart and the roof buckled in, all the windows blown out. Trees are down. Fences blown down, debris everywhere. Our garbage can was full and it got blown across the driveway and stuck sideways underneath a large shrub. People driving around told me similar damage in a long track through several neighborhoods. Shingles blown off roofs and pieces blown off houses but houses aren’t flattened so I guess it was a “small” tornado.
They’re saying power won’t be restored til 10 pm tomorrow night. Spectrum says the internet won’t be back until the power is back. For some reason this site will load (after a long wait) using my hotspot but I can’t access anything else, Netflix, Twitter, and my email times out and will not load. I can’t pull up any news sites. I’m gonna end up reading an actual book tonight.
I’m assuming they’re still having court tomorrow. We have a generator so I can shower and cook and all, so I’m planning on going in. But I might call first to make sure it isn’t canceled. 25,000 people without power and that’s about the population of this county iirc. At least that’s what the kid texted, I can’t access any news right now. No cable and even my phone won’t connect to any sites. I can text but it’s spotty and won’t send pictures, maybe the system is overloaded or maybe cell towers were damaged.
It’s Orange County, Stan. Right up next to Leeezeeanna.
Post by: Rush on January 24, 2023, 08:21:50 PM
Looking at the weather radar, I guessing the Dallas/Fort Worth Area, or somewhere near there.
Nah, we are almost on the gulf, across the big bridge from Port Arthur where Janice Joplin is from. The southeastest corner of Texas.
Post by: Rush on January 24, 2023, 08:35:36 PM
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2023, 04:16:27 AM
https://www.12newsnow.com/article/weather/preparation-for-tuesday-afternoon-threat-of-severe-weather/502-da3b7803-09be-45e8-8da4-754606dd8f9f
Highway 62 where he talks about trees down on it is my route to the courthouse but the Entergy site says power is out all around the courthouse so I guess I’ll have to call them and see if I have to come in. I’m betting they cancel.
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2023, 04:53:38 AM
Two tornadoes, one in Baytown? Is that sort of near you Lucifer?
Also, no, power will not be restored by last night, lol. That was what they first said but quickly changed.
Post by: Anthony on January 25, 2023, 05:26:21 AM
https://www.beaumontenterprise.com/news/article/tornadoes-touched-jefferson-orange-counties-17739232.php
Two tornadoes, one in Baytown? Is that sort of near you Lucifer?
Also, no, power will not be restored by last night, lol. That was what they first said but quickly changed.
Are you without electricity right now Rush? If so, that sucks!
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2023, 06:23:45 AM
Are you without electricity right now Rush? If so, that sucks!
We have a whole house generator so we’re good but yes the whole neighborhood is out and much of the county. The map shows power is out all around the courthouse and I just called them, no one answered. I’m more than 90% sure they’ll cancel. If I don’t hear from them we might drive out there. The instructions are very clear, under threat of fines and arrest warrants and the ire of the judge if we don’t show up, lol!! I cannot possibly be the only one that won’t show up today, probably most of the people involved are out of power and might have home damage.
Post by: Username on January 25, 2023, 07:16:37 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 25, 2023, 07:40:43 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 25, 2023, 07:57:12 AM
Post by: texasag93 on January 25, 2023, 08:07:35 AM
I hereby declare Rush selfless and intrepid. But I’m no longer fantasizing about moving to Texas!
Texas can kill you about 100 different ways, just in your yard.
The number goes up as you travel down the road.
Good job on being prepared, Rush!
Post by: Lucifer on January 25, 2023, 04:48:33 PM
Post by: Rush on January 25, 2023, 05:29:57 PM
Judge said tomorrow we should wrap up but I think she meant witnesses. I bet we end up going in on Friday to deliberate.
Hubby sent me this:
Greg Bostwick said these were an E2. There were also straight line winds of 67 mph.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 25, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywlpArNWKxM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 25, 2023, 06:13:36 PM
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/new-diagnosis-codes-for-covid-19
Post by: Lucifer on January 27, 2023, 07:08:14 AM
Quote
Journalists with Project Veritas have obtained undercover footage of a top Pfizer official admitting that the pharmaceutical giant is exploring “mutating” COVID-19 so that they can “preemptively” develop new vaccines.
Think about what happened with COVID. The virus devastated the world, forcing everybody to turn to pharmaceutical giants like Pfizer for a vaccine. In the process, the company earned record profits.
If what Jordon Trishton Walker, the Pfizer Director of Research and Development, Strategic Operations, and “mRNA Scientific Planner,” said is true, does that mean Pfizer essentially wants to repeat the COVID pandemic for more profit?
Post by: Lucifer on January 27, 2023, 07:23:52 AM
Quote
U.S. regulators sped up the approval of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine to enable vaccine mandates, according to newly released emails.
Pfizer and BioNTech asked the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in May 2021 to approve their vaccine. Regulators said publicly that the review of the Biologics License Application would likely be done by January 2022, but behind the scenes top agency officials were pushing the Office of Vaccines Research and Review (OVRR) to quickly complete the review.
Dr. Marion Gruber, the head of the office at the time, and her deputy Dr. Phil Krause outlined in a memorandum that the review could not be done before Sept. 15, 2021, according to one of the newly released messages.
While that was longer than desired, “OVRR believes that public confidence in COVID-19 vaccines would not be served by rushing our review and evaluation of the submitted data,” Gruber wrote in an email to Dr. Janet Woodcock, the acting FDA commissioner, and Dr. Peter Marks, another top official at the agency. The email summarized a July 19, 2021, meeting involving Gruber, Krause, Woodcock, and Marks.
During the meeting, Woodcock and Marks “expressed concern about rising COVID-19 cases … and stated your opinion that, absent a license, states cannot require mandatory vaccination and that people hesitant to get an EUA authorized vaccine would be more inclined to get immunized when the product is licensed,” according to Gruber.
The vaccines at the time were under emergency use authorization (EUA), which generally doesn’t allow mandates. Approved vaccines can be mandated in certain scenarios.
Gruber said she and Krause were also concerned about the rising number of cases and wanted the Pfizer vaccine licensed as soon as possible. “However, our concern is that a review that is hyper-accelerated beyond the already very rapid September 15 target date and as a consequence, may be less thorough than our typical review seems more likely to undermine confidence in the vaccine (and, indeed, in FDA’s credibility) than to increase it,” she added.
Woodcock declined to comment.
Marks, Gruber, Krause, and the FDA did not respond to requests for comment.
“Previously, one could infer that there was a coupling between regulatory decisions and political expediency. But with these emails, you see the smoking gun,” Dr. Robert Malone, who helped invent the messenger RNA technology that Pfizer’s vaccine uses, told The Epoch Times.
‘High Level Response’
Marks told Woodcock that the acting commissioner should issue “a high level response correcting Marion’s September 15 assertion, unless you agree with it (since this will almost certainly be FOIA’ed),” or eventually released under the Freedom of Information Act.
“Frankly, I am happy to go on the record here to note that though I understand the exhaustion that some are feeling, the lack of urgency and responsiveness to the public health imperative to save lives that seems to be felt by some in leadership of the Office of Vaccines is disappointing to me,” Marks added. “That is my problem, and I will deal with it in due course.”
Woodcock later messaged Gruber, saying that the pandemic was “a once in a lifetime public health crisis.”
“With this public health imperative in mind, as well as the intensifying problem of vaccine hesitancy, we all also agree about the importance of not only reviewing this BLA (Biologics License Application) as efficiently as possible, but also ensuring that it is done thoroughly and in keeping with FDA’s high standards that protect and promote the public health,” Woodcock wrote.
She declined to weigh in on the timeline, saying she did “not have enough information to venture an opinion” and delegating to Marks.
“I don’t have much to add to Janet’s response below, except to echo her gratitude for all of your work and to say that I remain absolutely committed to ensuring that we maintain our high quality standards in any work undertaken to further expedite the BLA review,” Marks wrote.
The FDA approved the Biologics License Application for Pfizer’s vaccine on Aug. 23, 2021, after bypassing its vaccine advisory panel. The approval triggered scores of mandates, including a mandate for all U.S. military personnel.
Woodcock told FDA workers after approval that their review and analyses, which determined the vaccine “met our standards of safety and effectiveness, should go a long way to instilling confidence in those who have continued to be reluctant to get vaccinated, and move us a step closer to ending this pandemic.”
The vaccine does not prevent transmission, so it’s unclear how its approval would end the pandemic.
Speaking to reporters in a briefing, Woodcock noted that the application was reviewed on an “unprecedented timeline” but asserted that “our efforts to move as quickly as possible have in no way sacrificed scientific standards or the integrity of our process.”
Marks noted that the license application was reviewed in about 40 percent of the time such work usually takes to complete.
Gruber and Krause resigned shortly after the approval over how the FDA was handling the vaccines.
Just one month later, the FDA authorized booster doses because the vaccine was performing worse against the Delta variant. Since the emergence of Omicron in late 2021, according to studies and real-world data, the vaccines have provided poor or even negative protection against infection. Protection against severe illness has been better, but data show sharp drops in the shielding within months of boosting. No clinical data is available yet for the updated boosters, cleared in late 2022.
Other emails, released in 2022, showed that Gruber was concerned that companies like Pfizer were trying to pressure the FDA into authorizing boosters. One missive, from Dr. Doran Fink, who worked under Gruber, showed Fink recounting how Marks told workers that the FDA “wouldn’t be doing rushed reviews anymore.”
“I had to bite my tongue … so as not to ask about the booster doses that the administration promised to everyone by Sept. 20!” Fink said.
Post by: Anthony on January 27, 2023, 07:35:34 AM
Fascism.
Post by: Lucifer on January 30, 2023, 04:47:59 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 30, 2023, 09:43:19 AM
(http://)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 01, 2023, 04:15:04 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 01, 2023, 04:47:26 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 01, 2023, 04:39:15 PM
So much is so wrong with all that that I can’t even, really.
Give it up already.
Post by: Lucifer on February 01, 2023, 04:43:27 PM
My idiot globalist Chinese prostitute Governor just got Covid for the second time and …. horrors …. “has a cough.” He is swooning about how his many vaccinations kept him out of the hospital BOTH TIMES. And doctors are “trying to decide if he should receive Paxlovid.”
So much is so wrong with all that that I can’t even, really.
Give it up already.
Don't worry, Pfizer is doing some gain of function research to give us a new strain of Covid (deadly) so they can get governments to buy their vaccines (under EUA, of course).
The pharmaceuticals want to rival the MIC in fleecing government.
Post by: Username on February 02, 2023, 07:21:28 AM
Don't worry, Pfizer is doing some gain of function research to give us a new strain of Covid (deadly) so they can get governments to buy their vaccines (under EUA, of course).FIFY
The pharmaceuticals want to rival the MIC in fleecinggovernmentthe people.
Of course this would not be needed if the government had just obeyed their masters and kept lockdowns in place.
Post by: Lucifer on February 03, 2023, 07:42:54 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 04, 2023, 09:02:54 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 08, 2023, 04:37:58 AM
Dr. Campbell has had enough at this point. Remember, he was an early advocate of the vaccine. He shows us how science should actually work.
Post by: Lucifer on February 11, 2023, 08:54:36 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2023, 10:23:37 AM
Just a couple weeks ago Project Veritas got a Pfizer researcher to admit on cam that Pfizer was working gain of function on another covid virus while simultaneously developing a "vaccine" for the new upcoming virus. Since that came out, YouTube and Google, among other fascist content providers have censored the video, and the MSM has buried the story.
Now we have James O'Keefe being silenced. The overlords at Pfizer are pissed and will do whatever it takes to bury this so they can continue with their new multi billion dollar endeavor to make people sick then extort government to purchase, and demand everyone take the "cure".
We have entered a very dark time for human history. The rise of pharmaceutical tyranny is here, and they look to eclipse the MIC in terms of dollars.
But there's more. The "vaccines" (which they are not) have even more in store. First, get rid of the non essential "eaters" in the world to satisfy the tyrants in the WEF. Then, for those who survive, now they will be beset with all kinds of illness and cancers, which, if you want to stay alive, you will need Big Pharma to supply you with the drugs. Oh, and for those who can't afford the drugs (the majority), no worry, government will develop a program to dispense these drugs.....unless you post something they don't like, or don't do as you're told......then they simply stop your drugs and you die. How convenient.
So keep watching more "balloon stories".....remember it wasn't long ago all the stories of UFO's the government was dumping into the MSM to distract people from paying attention to elections that were stolen.
We're being played on a scale that is unimaginable.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 12, 2023, 11:22:53 AM
Quote
Why does Eric Clapton’s story matter? He may have been injured by two doses of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, but this is not just an “AstraZeneca issue”.
This is a spike protein issue - regardless of the platform that delivers the spike protein into your body (Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, AstraZeneca, Novavax, Sputnik, Covishield).
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 13, 2023, 08:00:03 AM
Good discussion with Dr. Campbell
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 13, 2023, 02:51:33 PM
https://gab.com/vaccineregrets/posts/109858156665160383
Post by: Rush on February 15, 2023, 07:16:31 AM
He said the myocarditis in young men is definitely true, but all the rest, sudden deaths, arrhythmia etc., he said he cannot say the jab causes more of that then getting Covid the disease does. He has seen bad heart damage from Covid the disease.
In people who have gotten the vaccine, in some cases he believes the jab caused problems not only in the heart, but other side effects. One man had had shoulder joint surgery which was recovering fine until he got the jab in that arm, and then he started having all sorts of problems with his new shoulder. That’s not proof the jab caused the problem but he’s just reporting what patients claim, and he personally believes at least some of these side effects are real.
However, specifically with respect to the heart, he sees far more problems after Covid the disease than after the jab.
But! Covid the disease today is much milder than earlier versions. He indicated that endless boosters are not necessary. He said as far as the evidence one way or the other about the jab being dangerous, he does not know. He bemoaned how political it has all become and how there is no objective source to trust. From his anecdotal practice, he thinks the jab probably does cause issues, but again, he has seen even more caused by the disease itself. But lessening now because the disease is milder so he does not recommend continuing boosters.
He said he was made to get the original vax because the practice required it, but hasn’t boosted, and also said the whole mask thing is nonsense. So he’s not an NPC and I took his opinions as honestly come by.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 08:12:45 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 15, 2023, 11:41:12 AM
Saw a new cardiologist yesterday and asked him about the heart issues and side effects of the Covid jab and whether he thought it was true based on the cases he’s seen in his practice.
He said the myocarditis in young men is definitely true, but all the rest, sudden deaths, arrhythmia etc., he said he cannot say the jab causes more of that then getting Covid the disease does. He has seen bad heart damage from Covid the disease.
In people who have gotten the vaccine, in some cases he believes the jab caused problems not only in the heart, but other side effects. One man had had shoulder joint surgery which was recovering fine until he got the jab in that arm, and then he started having all sorts of problems with his new shoulder. That’s not proof the jab caused the problem but he’s just reporting what patients claim, and he personally believes at least some of these side effects are real.
However, specifically with respect to the heart, he sees far more problems after Covid the disease than after the jab.
But! Covid the disease today is much milder than earlier versions. He indicated that endless boosters are not necessary. He said as far as the evidence one way or the other about the jab being dangerous, he does not know. He bemoaned how political it has all become and how there is no objective source to trust. From his anecdotal practice, he thinks the jab probably does cause issues, but again, he has seen even more caused by the disease itself. But lessening now because the disease is milder so he does not recommend continuing boosters.
He said he was made to get the original vax because the practice required it, but hasn’t boosted, and also said the whole mask thing is nonsense. So he’s not an NPC and I took his opinions as honestly come by.
Well, your doctor is engaging in well-meaning but probably self-excusing bullshit.
The only way his bolded statement could be true is if:
a) He legit saw unexpected and unusual heart problems in people “from Covid the disease” in 2020 before the vaccines came out in January 2021, based on patients self reporting that they had Covid. Keep in mind that tens of thousands of PCR tests were recalled as ineffective, and that PCR tests were found by CDC to be useless and quietly were replaced with new tests, and that “home testing” is even more sketchy.
b) He is meticulously monitoring and collecting post-January 2021 vaccination status from all patients and sees more issues in people who had Covid but equally so whether they were vaxxed or not.
Highly doubt that’s the case. At least he told you he wasn’t going to boost, and rightly cast doubt on officialdom, and admitted the vaccines aren’t necessarily safe.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 15, 2023, 05:47:17 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1625082647746867202
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 18, 2023, 07:58:31 PM
Post by: Number7 on February 18, 2023, 08:32:38 PM
https://meridian.allenpress.com/aplm/article/146/8/925/477788/Autopsy-Histopathologic-Cardiac-Findings-in-2
This was obviously caused by a combination of white supremacy and climate change.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 19, 2023, 11:00:15 AM
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1627358299413676033?s=20
Post by: jb1842 on February 19, 2023, 11:16:45 AM
Anyone know if there is any validity to this?
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1627358299413676033?s=20
I hope not, but I trust this administration less than I trust a Chipotle fart. But if this is true, this may be the opening shots to another civil war.
Post by: Lucifer on February 19, 2023, 11:29:15 AM
And yes, I did read where this was being considered a while back. To the communist, it's another way to subvert the constitution, just as they are doing using Tech and MSM to do their censorship.
Post by: Anthony on February 19, 2023, 11:31:01 AM
This was obviously caused by a combination of white supremacy and climate change.
You nailed it. Specifically male, white supremacy.
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2023, 11:35:13 AM
Anyone know if there is any validity to this?
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1627358299413676033?s=20
I think there are a lot of scare tactics being played on Twitter. That would hold up about as well as any other international deal. It’s extra-constitutional and therefore liable to be struck down by the courts. Unless of course the left changes the SC around.
Post by: Anthony on February 19, 2023, 11:40:42 AM
This was obviously caused by a combination of white supremacy and climate change.
You nailed it. Specifically male, white supremacy.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 19, 2023, 12:37:01 PM
Anyone know if there is any validity to this?
https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1627358299413676033?s=20
Not possible since such powers are delegated to the states, so there is no power that the Feds can delegate to WHO.
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2023, 12:55:44 PM
Not possible since such powers are delegated to the states, so there is no power that the Feds can delegate to WHO.
So it’s just empty submission signaling to the international community.
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2023, 01:12:01 PM
I think there are a lot of scare tactics being played on Twitter. That would hold up about as well as any other international deal. It’s extra-constitutional and therefore liable to be struck down by the courts. Unless of course the left changes the SC around.I think so too. This would never see the light of day, even if it’s being conjured up in some circle jerk in Washington.
My cousin’s wife is so far into these conspiracies it’s kid of disturbing. She keeps sending me links to things like “Hillary and Fauci have been arrested and are being tried in a secret military tribunal at Guantanamo Bay.” I made that up but some of those links literally sound like that. I don’t open them up.
And of course the inevitable pictures of the condensation trails over her house north of Orlando, knowing with 100% certainty that those are chemtrails meant to poison us.
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2023, 01:13:30 PM
So it’s just empty submission signaling to the international community.They certainly do that. Think of all the UN NGOs that claim to have the right to tell us what to do - gun control, climate, etc.
Post by: Rush on February 19, 2023, 01:21:50 PM
I think so too. This would never see the light of day, even if it’s being conjured up in some circle jerk in Washington.
My cousin’s wife is so far into these conspiracies it’s kid of disturbing. She keeps sending me links to things like “Hillary and Fauci have been arrested and are being tried in a secret military tribunal at Guantanamo Bay.” I made that up but some of those links literally sound like that. I don’t open them up.
And of course the inevitable pictures of the condensation trails over her house north of Orlando, knowing with 100% certainty that those are chemtrails meant to poison us.
Haha! The contrail pics are great. How about the ones where the jet is going away from the camera and the trail appears to be vertical and they’re saying, “they’re shooting down more UFOs!”
Post by: Number7 on February 19, 2023, 03:47:39 PM
They certainly do that. Think of all the UN NGOs that claim to have the right to tell us what to do - gun control, climate, etc.
Every ‘body’ thinks it’s another EU where unelected assholes decide everything for you.
Post by: nddons on February 19, 2023, 09:55:43 PM
Every ‘body’ thinks it’s another EU where unelected assholes decide everything for you.Just look at all the state-level health administrators who were dictating, as if it was law, how society had to shut down during covid. Almost as if there was a single checklist shied by all the states, churches had to shut down, but liquor stores didn’t. People had to mask up, at least until you sat down at a table in a restaurant. Etc etc. and they had police enforcing their unlawful mandates. It was a fucked in constitutional crisis in most states.
Post by: Anthony on February 20, 2023, 03:31:36 AM
Not possible since such powers are delegated to the states, so there is no power that the Feds can delegate to WHO.
So the Federal government never allows unconstitutional laws nor actions by the States and never does it themselves? So where do 22,000 gun laws that are ALL INFRINGEMENTS come from? ::)
Post by: Rush on February 20, 2023, 03:43:40 AM
So the Federal government never allows unconstitutional laws nor actions by the States and never does it themselves? So where do 22,000 gun laws that are ALL INFRINGEMENTS come from? ::)
I’d say our current tax law is an infringement on the constitution.
Post by: Rush on February 20, 2023, 03:58:25 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 20, 2023, 07:33:14 AM
Post by: Anthony on February 20, 2023, 07:40:34 AM
I’d say our current tax law is an infringement on the constitution.
Starting with Obamacare.
Post by: nddons on February 24, 2023, 05:46:51 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 28, 2023, 06:05:31 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 28, 2023, 06:11:29 AM
Quote
In the past few weeks, a series of analyses published by highly respected researchers have exposed a truth about public health officials during COVID:
Much of the time, they were wrong.
To be clear, public health officials were not wrong for making recommendations based on what was known at the time. That’s understandable. You go with the data you have.
No, they were wrong because they refused to change their directives in the face of new evidence. When a study did not support their policies, they dismissed them and censored opposing opinions.
At the same time, the Center for Disease Control weaponized research itself but putting out its own flawed studies in its own non-peer-reviewed medical journal, MMWR.
In the final analysis, public health officials actively propagated misinformation that ruined lives and forever damaged public trust in the medical profession. Here are 10 ways they misled Americans:
Misinformation #1: Natural Immunity offers little protection compared to Vaccinated Immunity
A Lancet study looked at 65 major studies in 19 countries on natural immunity. The researchers concluded that natural immunity was at least as effective as the primary COVID vaccine series.
In fact, the scientific data was there all along — from 160 studies, despite the findings of these studies violating Facebook’s “misinformation” policy.
Since the Athenian plague of 430 B.C., it has been observed that those who recovered after infection were protected against severe disease if re-infected. That was also the observation of nearly every practicing physician during the first 18 months of the COVID pandemic.
Most Americans were fired for not having the COVID vaccine already had antibodies that effectively neutralized the virus, but they were antibodies that the government did not recognize.
Misinformation #2: Masks prevent COVID transmission
Cochran Reviews are considered the most authoritative and independent assessment of the evidence in medicine. And one published last month by a highly-respected Oxford research team found that masks had no significant impact on COVID transmission.
When asked about this definitive review, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky downplayed it, arguing that it was flawed because it focused on randomized controlled studies.
A member of the New York Police Department (NYPD) receives a dose of the Moderna Covid-19 vaccine at Queens Police Academy in the Queens borough of New York, U.S., January 11, 2021.
It recently came out that masks didn’t have that much of an effect on preventing COVID-19 transmission.
Jeenah Moon/Pool via REUTERS
But that was the greatest strength of the review! Randomized studies are considered the gold standard of medical evidence.
If all the energy used by public health officials to mask toddlers could have been channeled to reduce child obesity by encouraging outdoor activities, we would be better off.
Misinformation #3: School closures reduce COVID transmission
The CDC ignored the European experience of keeping schools open, most without mask mandates. Transmission rates were no different, evidenced by studies conducted Spain and Sweden.
Misinformation #4: Myocarditis from the vaccine is less common than from the infection
Public health officials downplayed concerns about vaccine-induced myocarditis — or inflammation of the heart muscle. They cited poorly designed studies that under-captured complication rates. A flurry of well-designed studies said the opposite. We now know that myocarditis is six to 28-times more common after the COVID vaccine than after the infection among 16- to 24-year-old males. Tens of thousands of children likely got myocarditis, mostly subclinical, from a COVID vaccine they did not need because they were entirely healthy or because they already had COVID.
Misinformation #5: Young people benefit from a vaccine booster
Boosters reduced hospitalizations in older, high-risk Americans. But the evidence was never there that they lower COVID mortality in young healthy people. That’s probably why the CDC chose not to publish their data on hospitalization rates among boosted Americans under 50, when they published the same rates for those over 50.
Ultimately, White House pressure to recommend boosters for all was so intense, that the FDA’s two top vaccine experts left the agency in protest, writing scathing articles on how the data did not support boosters for young people.
Misinformation #6: Vaccine mandates increased vaccination rates
President Biden and other officials demanded unvaccinated workers, regardless of their risk or natural immunity, be fired. They demanded that soldiers be dishonorably discharged and nurses be laid off in the middle of a staffing crisis. The mandate was based on the theory that vaccination reduced transmission rates — a notion later proven to be false. But after the broad recognition that vaccination does not reduce transmission, the mandates persisted, and still do to this day. A recent study from George Mason University details how vaccine mandates in nine major U.S. cities had no impact on vaccination rates. They also had no impact on COVID transmission rates.
Misinformation #7: Covid originating from the Wuhan Lab is a conspiracy theory
Google admitted to suppressing searches of “lab leak” during the pandemic. Dr. Francis Collins, head of the NIH, claimed (and still does) he didn’t believe the virus came from a lab. Ultimately, overwhelming circumstantial evidence points to a lab leak origin — the same origin suggested to Dr. Anthony Fauci by two very prominent virologists in a January 2020 meeting he assembled at the beginning of the pandemic. According to documents obtained by Bret Baier of Fox News, they told Drs. Fauci and Collins that the virus may have been manipulated and originated in the lab, but then suddenly changed their tune in public comments days after meeting with the NIH officials. The virologists were later awarded nearly $9 million from Fauci’s agency.
Misinformation #8: It was important to get the 2nd vaccine dose 3 or 4 weeks after the 1st dose
Data was clear in the Spring of 2021, just months after the vaccine rollout, that spacing the vaccine out by three months reduces complication rates and increases immunity. Spacing out vaccines would have also saved more lives when Americans were rationing a limited vaccine supply at the height of the epidemic.
Misinformation #9: Data on the bivalent vaccine is “crystal clear”
Dr. Ashish Jha famously said this, despite the bivalent vaccine being approved using data from eight mice. To date, there has never been a randomized controlled trial of the bivalent vaccine. In my opinion, the data are crystal clear that young people should not get the bivalent vaccine. It would have also spared many children myocarditis]
Misinformation #10: One in five people get long COVID
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention claims that 20% of COVID infections can result in long COVID. But a U.K. study found that only 3% of COVID patients had residual symptoms lasting 12 weeks. What explains the disparity?
It’s often normal to experience mild fatigue or weakness for weeks after being sick and inactive and not eating well. Calling these cases long COVID is the medicalization of ordinary life.
What’s most amazing about all the misinformation conveyed by CDC and public health officials, is that there has been no apologies for holding on to their recommendations for so long after the data became apparent that they were dead wrong. Public health officials said “you must” when the correct answer should have been “we’re not sure.”
Early on, in the absence of good data, public health officials chose a path of stern paternalism. Today, they are in denial of a mountain of strong studies showing that they were wrong.
At minimum, CDC should come clean and the FDA should add a warning label to COVID vaccines, clearly stating what is now known. A mea culpa by those who led us astray would be a first step to rebuilding trust.
Marty Makary MD, MPH is a professor at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and author of “The Price We Pay.”
Post by: Number7 on February 28, 2023, 08:33:54 AM
The ongoing hysteria is nothing but frightened assholes, trying to maintain the gravy train that enriched so many fucking democrat traitors, starting with fauci and his freak show adminstration.
Post by: Rush on February 28, 2023, 09:19:24 AM
The chinese virus scam was the biggest psyop in the history of the USA.
The ongoing hysteria is nothing but frightened assholes, trying to maintain the gravy train that enriched so many fucking democrat traitors, starting with fauci and his freak show adminstration.
And it has consequences way beyond enriching the Democrats. It led to universal mail in voting, Biden “winning” the WH, Putin invading Ukraine, looming nuclear war, global economic dysfunction, increase in dystopian authoritarianism, depression and suicide, undoing the border security Trump had in place, stunting the education of children for two years, stunting the development of facial recognition in babies, supply chain disruption, medication shortages, depleting our oil reserves, and ironically: acceleration of the collapse of China.
My opinion: China was not ready to release it yet (if they were ever going to: it may have been a bioweapon, it may not have) but it escaped the lab. The Democrats then seized on it to implement election changes as admitted to and detailed in the Time article. It was a happy windfall! Meanwhile Trump was duped by his advisers including Fauci, to recommend a “two week lockdown” and the rest is history. Oh, and to fast track a vaccine which was an opportunistic windfall for the pharmaceutical companies, sealing the fascist union of corporations and government. Trump thought he was helping but didn’t know the vaccine would turn out so ineffective and be plagued with possible horrible side effects.
Trump, for all his virtues, is not an ideological free market libertarian and did not foresee the fascist nature of subsidizing the vaccine. He helped create a monster that won’t go away (endless boosters). He also did not foresee the damage done by stimulus checks and small business loans. The loans were plagued with fraud and the stimmy checks contributed to the current inflation (which Biden poured gasoline on) and removed motivation for people to go back to work. But once again, Trump had good intentions and bad advice. He is far from perfect. But I still think he’s the best man for the job due to 1) keeping us out of war 2) securing the border 3) getting us energy independent and 4) exposing the Uniparty swamp.
The virus was used as a weapon to misguide Trump into some bad decisions and to forever contaminate our elections with easy fraud possibly ruining forever any chance to elect a candidate that isn’t a puppet for the fascist elite, and therefore leading us inexorably into a hot civil war and the literal dissolution of the country if we aren’t nuked out of existence by Putin first.
Post by: Anthony on February 28, 2023, 11:20:09 AM
And it has consequences way beyond enriching the Democrats. It led to universal mail in voting, Biden “winning” the WH, Putin invading Ukraine, looming nuclear war, global economic dysfunction, increase in dystopian authoritarianism, depression and suicide, undoing the border security Trump had in place, stunting the education of children for two years, stunting the development of facial recognition in babies, supply chain disruption, medication shortages, depleting our oil reserves, and ironically: acceleration of the collapse of China.
My opinion: China was not ready to release it yet (if they were ever going to: it may have been a bioweapon, it may not have) but it escaped the lab. The Democrats then seized on it to implement election changes as admitted to and detailed in the Time article. It was a happy windfall! Meanwhile Trump was duped by his advisers including Fauci, to recommend a “two week lockdown” and the rest is history. Oh, and to fast track a vaccine which was an opportunistic windfall for the pharmaceutical companies, sealing the fascist union of corporations and government. Trump thought he was helping but didn’t know the vaccine would turn out so ineffective and be plagued with possible horrible side effects.
Trump, for all his virtues, is not an ideological free market libertarian and did not foresee the fascist nature of subsidizing the vaccine. He helped create a monster that won’t go away (endless boosters). He also did not foresee the damage done by stimulus checks and small business loans. The loans were plagued with fraud and the stimmy checks contributed to the current inflation (which Biden poured gasoline on) and removed motivation for people to go back to work. But once again, Trump had good intentions and bad advice. He is far from perfect. But I still think he’s the best man for the job due to 1) keeping us out of war 2) securing the border 3) getting us energy independent and 4) exposing the Uniparty swamp.
The virus was used as a weapon to misguide Trump into some bad decisions and to forever contaminate our elections with easy fraud possibly ruining forever any chance to elect a candidate that isn’t a puppet for the fascist elite, and therefore leading us inexorably into a hot civil war and the literal dissolution of the country if we aren’t nuked out of existence by Putin first.
Well said Rush. Good summary.
Post by: texasag93 on February 28, 2023, 01:33:36 PM
Jane Fonda Calls Covid 'God's Gift to the Left'
I am not putting her video up, I hate that b****.
Post by: Anthony on February 28, 2023, 02:04:18 PM
From Hanoi Jane:
Jane Fonda Calls Covid 'God's Gift to the Left'
I am not putting her video up, I hate that b****.
And she means that is a good thing. Effing (insert favorite C word of some of the young women in which I now associate).
Post by: nddons on February 28, 2023, 05:01:55 PM
From Hanoi Jane:It would only be God’s gift if it caused her a long and painful death.
Jane Fonda Calls Covid 'God's Gift to the Left'
I am not putting her video up, I hate that b****.
Post by: Lucifer on February 28, 2023, 05:41:45 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/report-dr-tony-fauci-increased-personal-wealth-from-7-6-million-to-12-6-million-during-pandemic-a-65-increase-in-wealth-video/
Post by: Anthony on March 01, 2023, 05:42:46 AM
Like FJB, Pope Tony has only worked in government his whole life.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/report-dr-tony-fauci-increased-personal-wealth-from-7-6-million-to-12-6-million-during-pandemic-a-65-increase-in-wealth-video/
These people need to be put in front of a firing squad.
Post by: Rush on March 01, 2023, 10:17:58 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 01, 2023, 10:20:30 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on March 01, 2023, 11:53:07 AM
Starting with Obamacare.
Roberts is a coward and a traitor.
Post by: Anthony on March 01, 2023, 12:20:20 PM
Roberts is a coward and a traitor.
Probably blackmailed also, but yes to both. He completely failed the job he was sworn to do.
Post by: Rush on March 02, 2023, 07:40:03 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 02, 2023, 08:36:12 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Up5tk23.jpg)
Post by: Rush on March 02, 2023, 08:47:43 AM
For Joe, who we know is a huge Cat Turd fan!
(https://i.imgur.com/Up5tk23.jpg)
I’m beginning to wonder if you’re Catturd.
Post by: Lucifer on March 02, 2023, 09:14:59 AM
I’m beginning to wonder if you’re Catturd.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FE26h_6SXwAANdA2.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=11f8298052ff2e11986ca580fdc6131cd456364e55368b48429d047d65e82652&ipo=images)
Post by: Lucifer on March 02, 2023, 09:28:58 AM
Post by: Rush on March 02, 2023, 09:44:50 AM
Post by: Little Joe on March 02, 2023, 11:27:23 AM
For Joe, who we know is a huge Cat Turd fan!;D ;D
Thank you for posting that. I enjoyed (and agreed) with most of it. I'm still not convinced about Ivermectin, but I was wrong once before too.
Post by: Rush on March 02, 2023, 11:45:46 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 02, 2023, 12:13:49 PM
Post by: Number7 on March 02, 2023, 12:33:03 PM
;D ;D
Thank you for posting that. I enjoyed (and agreed) with most of it. I'm still not convinced about Ivermectin, but I was wrong once before too.
IIRC ivermectin is not much more than the anti malaria drug from the fifties.
Post by: Lucifer on March 02, 2023, 12:36:30 PM
The reason Big Pharma fought against natural immunity is there was no money in it.
Post by: Little Joe on March 02, 2023, 01:55:27 PM
IIRC ivermectin is not much more than the anti malaria drug from the fifties.I believe you are thinking of hydroxychloroquine .
Ivermectin is a dewormer used in animals.
Post by: Anthony on March 02, 2023, 02:42:44 PM
The plexiglass barriers kill me. At the doctor office or pharmacy counter I can’t hear what they’re saying so I stick my face down to whatever cutout they have and talk through that. Totally defeating the alleged purpose.
Like the TSA it's healthcare THEATER.
Post by: nddons on March 02, 2023, 05:17:16 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230224/6b74ae95f53a653829746a431d6524b2.jpg)Literally what we had to do - 1965-1970 at Saint Juliana Catholic Grade School, Chicago, Illinois.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on March 04, 2023, 08:40:26 AM
https://www.leegop.org/ban-the-jab-resolution/
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 04, 2023, 10:02:43 AM
More of this please.
https://www.leegop.org/ban-the-jab-resolution/
The government should not deny the right of a person to choose their medical treatments.
Post by: Username on March 04, 2023, 10:09:55 AM
The government should not deny the right of a person to choose their medical treatments.I agree. The patient, in consultation with their primary care provider, should choose the best treatment for whatever situation. The government has no place in mandating or anti-mandating anything.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on March 04, 2023, 10:21:13 AM
Highly qualified doctors and scientists were coerced into silence and outright banned by weaponized government and Big Tech for saying anything about the suppressed vaccine trial outcomes, damaging effects, its modest and transient benefits, and risks of frequent and continued boosters. Committees and counsels and conventions of medical professionals now have formed and are forming and speaking out and one day, lawsuits against the perpetrators of the use of the mRNA bioweapon will result in convictions and punishment. If there be any justice left in the world.
You may as well defend the right of individuals to face forward or backward when executed by firing squad.
Post by: Username on March 04, 2023, 10:34:30 AM
Did you two read the resolution and check the sources? It’s not a “medical treatment.” It’s a bioweapon.I did. My comment was independent of any particular treatment. But you bring up a very good point. If a treatment is found to be unsafe or ineffective, it should be withdrawn from distribution. The problem is, I don't know what that mechanism is or should be. LSD was popular, then was banned, and now it's found to be very effective in treating PTSD. Weed was popular, then was banned, and is now found to be very effective in treating nausea caused by chemotherapy (among other things). Studies indicate that the covid vaccine is actually harmful in most situations. But I don't know if an outright ban is the right way to go. It may be safe and effective for some people in some situations for some diseases. The law banning LSD is getting in the way of people with PTSD getting help that they need. Stupid laws preventing me from getting Sudafed means I have to stand in line at a pharmacy to stop my nose from running like a faucet. There has to be a better way. I just don't know what it is. I do know that requiring a population to take an experimental, untried, unsafe, and ineffective injection is just as bad as banning that same population from other treatment options.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 05, 2023, 12:32:24 PM
And a link to the study: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
And to the mask zealots, FUCK YOU
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 05, 2023, 12:49:21 PM
Post by: Rush on March 05, 2023, 01:09:07 PM
And a link to the study: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
And to the mask zealots, FUCK YOU
I’m waiting for all the news outlets to broadcast these results and tell us all to throw away our masks. How about the CDC? Now that studies have confirmed what those of us with common sense have always known. Still waiting for them to admit they’re wrong………
Post by: Lucifer on March 05, 2023, 01:22:59 PM
I’m waiting for all the news outlets to broadcast these results and tell us all to throw away our masks. How about the CDC? Now that studies have confirmed what those of us with common sense have always known. Still waiting for them to admit they’re wrong………
They’ll never admit that. If anything, they will double down.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 05, 2023, 01:42:53 PM
I’m waiting for all the news outlets to broadcast these results and tell us all to throw away our masks. How about the CDC? Now that studies have confirmed what those of us with common sense have always known. Still waiting for them to admit they’re wrong………Just what Dr. Campbell said.
Post by: Rush on March 05, 2023, 02:41:29 PM
Just what Dr. Campbell said.
Yeah, I like him. Willing to admit when he’s wrong.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 05, 2023, 06:13:02 PM
Yeah, I like him. Willing to admit when he’s wrong.He's actually kind of pissed at this point and will get madder if no one in a high place steps up to apologize.
Post by: Rush on March 05, 2023, 06:45:26 PM
He's actually kind of pissed at this point and will get madder if no one in a high place steps up to apologize.
Aren’t we all. I’m not holding my breath.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 05, 2023, 07:13:07 PM
Quote
New emails show Dr. Anthony Fauci commissioned scientific paper in Feb. 2020 to disprove Wuhan lab leak theory
Post by: Lucifer on March 07, 2023, 11:38:56 AM
The idiocy continues...............
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on March 17, 2023, 09:02:15 AM
“Yesterday, Florida Surgeon General Dr. Joe Ladapo became the first state Surgeon General to recommend that NOBODY should take the mRNA vaccines. Specifically, he said: “At this point in the pandemic, I’m not sure ANYBODY should be taking these vaccines … they have a terrible safety profile… it literally means the people who received that vaccine are more likely to contract covid-19 after seven months than the people who did not.”
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/
Post by: Lucifer on March 19, 2023, 05:13:29 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 20, 2023, 06:36:04 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1637624118571933696
Post by: Rush on March 20, 2023, 10:33:55 AM
You can fool some of the people some of the time....
https://twitter.com/i/status/1637624118571933696
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1637839339584471042
“They’re Republicans, they don’t like to be told what to do. We need to break that.”
What an arrogant piece of shit.
Post by: Anthony on March 20, 2023, 10:35:22 AM
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1637839339584471042
“They’re Republicans, they don’t like to be told what to do. We need to break that.”
What an arrogant piece of shit.
Just try to break me Nazi. See what happens.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 22, 2023, 08:55:19 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 26, 2023, 03:18:48 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 29, 2023, 08:17:23 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 31, 2023, 07:58:12 AM
Love the end of this one
Post by: Lucifer on April 03, 2023, 12:06:36 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 03, 2023, 08:37:53 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 03, 2023, 06:49:36 PM
Quote
Fully Vaxxed Lose 25 Years of Life Expectancy, Study Shows
Post by: Little Joe on April 03, 2023, 06:53:29 PM
https://slaynews.com/news/fully-vaxxed-lose-25-years-life-expectancy-study-shows/Oh shit. That means I should be dead.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 03, 2023, 06:57:35 PM
Oh shit. That means I should be dead.Careful what you say.
Had a local aviation friend, 57 years old, I know was vaxxed. Died od of a heart attack last May 13th. From what I know he was very healthy, ran, biked, worked out never heard him talk about cholesterol problems or anything.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 03, 2023, 07:48:30 PM
https://slaynews.com/news/fully-vaxxed-lose-25-years-life-expectancy-study-shows/
The "study" appears to be behind a paywall on theepochtimes.com. Actually just a link to video as best I can tell. Unnamed study, no link to a publication containing it that I can find. That makes it really hard to analyze its methodology. But I finally located this critique which might be relevant (or not?):
https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/us-mortality-rate-analysis-josh-stirling-misleading-current-data-dont-show-covid-19-vaccines-increased-mortality/ (https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/us-mortality-rate-analysis-josh-stirling-misleading-current-data-dont-show-covid-19-vaccines-increased-mortality/)
It is going to take more time than I care to devote to dissecting claims in a video and even if I did my best no one here would accept what I say.
The article ends with this amazing claim:
"The study found that someone who’s had 4 or 5 shots and is 30 years old today can now expect to live to 55 at the oldest."
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 03, 2023, 08:29:29 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 04, 2023, 05:00:19 AM
It is going to take more time than I care to devote to dissecting claims in a video and even if I did my best no one here would accept what I say.
careful with that rather broad brush...
or did ol' POS use your account?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 04, 2023, 05:59:57 AM
I’ve seen a number of people whose voices I trust taking a hard look at the excess mortality (a hard fact) and postulating what factors besides the vaccines might be at the root of it. Obviously there are many.
Looking at a study of Perth in Western Australia, however, which is extremely isolated just by its location but also by travel restrictions in 2020, and which had a vaccine uptake of 90% BEFORE COVID EVER ARRIVED THERE, we see that their excess mortality skyrocketed in 2021. By the time the virus actually arrived and cases were recorded, it was already weak and they had almost no deaths FROM COVID.
Did the vaccine protect Perthians from dying of the virus, or was the virus not lethal by the time it arrived? What killed Perthians in wildly excess numbers in 2021?
The doctor who posted this study, which was official and from the Western Australia government, tested a search and found that Google suppressed it.
Sadly, rigorous scientific analysis and reporting seems mostly dead. Science is a commodity these days, purchased by wealthy entities to further their narratives, and is not a true bellwether by which we can navigate from a fixed point of truth.
Edited to add this link. Discussion in the post of excess mortality, with the Perth study near the end.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/wishy-washy-wednesday-march-29-2023
Post by: Number7 on April 04, 2023, 07:57:39 AM
Jim thinks his libertarian principles require him to parrot certain arguments while rejecting anything that threatens his carefully crafted concept of reality.
Maybe when one of his close loved ones keels over for no particularly good reason, his bullshit detector will kick in, but I seriously doubt it.
Post by: Username on April 11, 2023, 08:12:03 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 11, 2023, 08:18:33 AM
Well, we can all relax now. FJB signed an order stating that the covid emergency is over. Yay.
And Pope Tony is giddy talking about next year's pandemic.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 11, 2023, 08:53:02 AM
Well, we can all relax now. FJB signed an order stating that the covid emergency is over. Yay.
I thought it wasn't over until 11 May...
Post by: Anthony on April 11, 2023, 09:03:45 AM
Well, we can all relax now. FJB signed an order stating that the covid emergency is over. Yay.
Why are so many idiots still wearing masks? What is wrong with these people?
Post by: nddons on April 11, 2023, 10:15:54 AM
Why are so many idiots still wearing masks? What is wrong with these people?Mental illness. Literally I think that’s what this is.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 11, 2023, 11:19:06 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 11, 2023, 04:22:33 PM
How does this affect the attempt to cancel student debt?
Doctors rewarded with cash for every jab victim should be required to put that blood money into a fund for the poor innocent victims who took out loans.
Another conspiracy theory proven true.
(http://)
Post by: texasag93 on April 11, 2023, 04:54:42 PM
How does this affect the attempt to cancel student debt?
With death. Dead people do not repay loans.
Biden was trying to use the emergency order to forgive student loans. It was struck down (shocker!).
Post by: nddons on April 11, 2023, 06:08:23 PM
Doctors rewarded with cash for every jab victim should be required to put that blood money into a fund for the poor innocent victims who took out loans.What is so sick about this is that since the government seems to be paying for all covid shots (I don’t recall seeing that appropriation under Trump - thanks Don) but now the insurance companies can reward docs using…government money?
Another conspiracy theory proven true.
(http://)
Post by: Username on April 12, 2023, 04:22:08 AM
With death. Dead people do not repay loans.But it did achieve his goal. Stupid students who took out massive student loans for useless degrees voted to get those loans removed. Surprise! Not going to happen. Too bad. Now they live with massive student loans and massive inflation.
Biden was trying to use the emergency order to forgive student loans. It was struck down (shocker!).
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2023, 04:28:43 AM
But it did achieve his goal. Stupid students who took out massive student loans for useless degrees voted to get those loans removed. Surprise! Not going to happen. Too bad. Now they live with massive student loans and massive inflation.
And we also have to live with massive Inflation. When the Yuan becomes the accepted world currency it will get worse.
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2023, 06:09:23 AM
But it did achieve his goal. Stupid students who took out massive student loans for useless degrees voted to get those loans removed. Surprise! Not going to happen. Too bad. Now they live with massive student loans and massive inflation.
And even so they won’t learn the lesson. They will be lied to and led to believe evil Republicans blocked it. They have no understanding that the president never had the power to wave a magic wand and erase their debt.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 17, 2023, 07:05:35 AM
They need to stop with the mRna technology.
Post by: Steingar on April 18, 2023, 07:49:42 AM
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2802745 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2802745)
Post by: Anthony on April 18, 2023, 07:58:31 AM
Just read that COVID infection while pregnant results in developmental delays in male children (but not girls). Might lead to autism, too early to tell. You probably won't like my link, it's JAMA and not your right wing blogs.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2802745 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2802745)
The AMA is about as Leftist as you can get. So, you're being hypocritical by your statement.
Post by: Rush on April 18, 2023, 08:26:01 AM
Just read that COVID infection while pregnant results in developmental delays in male children (but not girls). Might lead to autism, too early to tell. You probably won't like my link, it's JAMA and not your right wing blogs.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2802745 (https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2802745)
Likely true. I knew the male embryo/fetus was more vulnerable than the female but not exactly why:
Quote
Our findings are consistent with abundant evidence that the developing male brain is more vulnerable to in utero environmental effects,35,36 including maternal immune activation.37 In the case of SARS-CoV-2 infection in pregnancy, prior work identified robust immune activation at the maternal-fetal interface, even in the absence of placental infection and vertical transmission.15,38,39 Moreover, this work demonstrated sexually dimorphic effects of maternal SARS-CoV-2 positivity on placental immune response, with significant upregulation of types I, II, and III interferon signaling pathways in male placentas and downregulation in female placentas.15 Consistent with these findings in human SARS-CoV-2 infection, in murine models, upregulation of maternal type I interferon signaling in pregnancy was noted to be associated with a type I interferon signature in the embryonic yolk sac, a preplacental structure that serves as the origin of fetal brain microglia, and reduced microglial proliferation in offspring.40 These changes, in turn, were associated with a sex-specific impact on offspring behavior, with exposed male offspring demonstrating increased anxiety relative to female offspring.40 Thus, our finding that neurodevelopment in male offspring may be more adversely impacted than in female offspring in the setting of maternal SARS-CoV-2 infection is biologically plausible and consistent with prior studies that have demonstrated sex-specific impact of maternal types I, II, and III interferon signaling on the developing placenta and fetal brain.15,40
Of course, “maternal immune activation” also occurs with vaccination. There is a long history of suspected association between childhood vaccination and autism. This is thoroughly debunked in the mainstream but I have no idea myself which side to believe.
But as for actual disease, yes, absolutely. We’ve known for centuries the macro effects on the baby of certain infections in the mother while pregnant or during delivery. Herpes simplex, rubella, etc. But more subtle long term effects such as in behavior and cognition, that aren’t detectable until months or ears later, we know much less about, even in disease, much less immune activation via vaccination. Mass vaccination programs have been in force before we really started studying this, so we have a problem of lack of controls and an even worse problem in that it’s completely unethical to do prospective controlled studies.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 18, 2023, 08:41:13 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 18, 2023, 09:21:49 AM
Post by: Number7 on April 18, 2023, 11:17:56 AM
Post by: Steingar on April 19, 2023, 05:43:49 AM
We should all bow down and worship at the fucking fauci fountain of diseased medical advice…Yup, you should only get medical advice from right wing figures who have no medical training to speak of and standing in the medical community.
By the way, that's how the Nazis picked their top scientists. Not by who was best or most respected, but who most closely followed the party line. That's why we developed nukes, and not them. That, and we got al their best scientists.
Now that I think about it, the Russians did the exact same thing. The most glaring example was Lysenko, who pitched an outstanding history of Mendelian Genetics in the drink to pursue some sort of Lamarkianist garbage. Set them back decades.
Post by: Number7 on April 19, 2023, 05:51:24 AM
What a fucking shame,
Post by: Username on April 19, 2023, 06:06:31 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/xbb116-arcturus-omicron-variant-what-to-know-195510368.html
Quote
What to know about XBB.1.16, a new Omicron variant on the WHO’s radar
There’s a new variant of the coronavirus that infectious disease experts and public health officials are keeping a close eye on. XBB.1.16, also known as Arcturus, is an Omicron subvariant that appears to be more transmissible and has fueled a recent surge of COVID-19 cases in India. While the variant is circulating at low levels in the U.S., health officials are closely monitoring it.
Post by: Anthony on April 19, 2023, 06:26:04 AM
Post by: Number7 on April 19, 2023, 06:36:45 AM
The Who? Are they still together? I mean Keith Moon and John Entwistle are dead and that was half the band!
joe - the pedo - biden must be in deep trouble with the new revelations of Chinese bribes and illegal influence, for the WHO to
be so busy inventing another pandemic.
I hate to think of how rich this will make the crooked pharma companies.
Post by: Number7 on April 19, 2023, 11:05:55 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/us-compensates-people-injured-by-covid-19-vaccines-for-first-time_5200854.html
Post by: Lucifer on April 19, 2023, 12:25:19 PM
Yup, you should only get medical advice from right wing figures who have no medical training to speak of and standing in the medical community.
I know you are totally devoid of the ability to hold a discussion on any topic, but why is it your whole world revolves around ideology?
Let's look at "right wing figures who have no medical training to speak of" when discussing Covid.
I'm old enough to remember when several prominent scientist and physicians took a stand against the narrative of covid being pushed by the Branch Covidians, under the leadership of Pope Tony. These were not "right wing figures who have no medical training to speak of" but very well established and respected professionals.
Dr Robert Malone. Dr Scott Atlas. Dr. Peter McCullough. Dr. Marty Makary. How about the physicians that are a part of America’s Frontline Doctors?
These individuals have been ruthlessly attacked by not following the narrative put forth by Pope Tony and his cronies in Big Pharma. MSM has derided them as well as Big Tech.
Today we now know Pope Tony was protecting his cronies in Big Pharma, and it was Pope Tony and the Branch Covidians spreading misinformation and lies.
By the way, that's how the Nazis picked their top scientists. Not by who was best or most respected, but who most closely followed the party line. That's why we developed nukes, and not them. That, and we got al their best scientists.
Once again you prove you have little to no knowledge of actually history. That quote above is laughable when confronted with actual history.
Now that I think about it, the Russians did the exact same thing. The most glaring example was Lysenko, who pitched an outstanding history of Mendelian Genetics in the drink to pursue some sort of Lamarkianist garbage. Set them back decades.
Another half baked grasp on history.
Post by: Steingar on April 19, 2023, 12:34:07 PM
Another half baked grasp on history.
No, simple truth. But since I don't have sources that pass your litmus test of extreme right wing lean I can't really document it.
Post by: Lucifer on April 19, 2023, 01:12:06 PM
No, simple truth. But since I don't have sources that pass your litmus test of extreme right wing lean I can't really document it.
You're really pathetic. Little wonder you and your fellow travelers focus so hard on rewriting history to your liking.
Post by: Number7 on April 19, 2023, 01:13:26 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 19, 2023, 01:57:21 PM
Post by: Rush on April 19, 2023, 01:59:22 PM
Left out The Great Barrington Declaration. Also many of those folks were removed from Twitter under the direction of the Biden administration back when the FBI, CDC and CIA were running Twitter.
The importance of Musk buying Twitter cannot be overstated.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 19, 2023, 02:40:35 PM
The importance of Musk buying Twitter cannot be overstated.He made the best troll yesterday. Canadian Broadcasting objected to being labeled by Twitter as government-funded media. They claim they’re less than 70 percent government funded. So Musk changed their label to read “69 percent government funded media.”
Post by: nddons on April 20, 2023, 05:07:45 PM
He made the best troll yesterday. Canadian Broadcasting objected to being labeled by Twitter as government-funded media. They claim they’re less than 70 percent government funded. So Musk changed their label to read “69 percent government funded media.”Musk is a master troll. I love it.
Post by: Anthony on April 20, 2023, 07:53:12 PM
Musk is a master troll. I love it.
Musk for President? ;D
Post by: nddons on April 20, 2023, 08:18:40 PM
Musk for President? ;DLol. Sec State would be good.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 20, 2023, 08:57:19 PM
Lol. Sec State would be good.
That would be big step down from his current position IMHO.
Post by: Lucifer on April 22, 2023, 11:47:16 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 22, 2023, 11:53:09 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 22, 2023, 01:31:47 PM
Lol. Sec State would be good.Head of NASA
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 22, 2023, 01:54:10 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FuQmESbX0BgPpdl?format=jpg&name=small)
I like how the cartoonist captured how so many people actually wear masks... (as chin straps)
Post by: Rush on April 22, 2023, 02:38:39 PM
Head of NASA
We are going to visit NASA Monday!!
Post by: nddons on April 24, 2023, 07:10:58 PM
That would be big step down from his current position IMHO.Well since he was born in South Africa, POTUS is out.
Post by: Username on April 24, 2023, 08:39:36 PM
Well since he was born in South Africa, POTUS is out.Obama was born in Kenya and it worked out OK for him.
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2023, 10:30:50 AM
Quote
US health officials are pushing ahead with a Covid vaccine mandate for travelers entering the country — despite no evidence it reduces infection rates.
In an announcement Thursday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) updated the policy rather than dropping it.
The US will now allow travelers into the country that had received at least one vaccination dose on or after August 16, 2022. They will still allow people in who had received at least two doses before this date.
Sticking with the vaccine mandate rule makes the US an international outlier. Only a handful of countries still require visitors to have received a Covid vaccine to gain entry such as Angola and Indonesia.
Post by: Mase on April 28, 2023, 10:38:27 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 30, 2023, 08:56:17 AM
Post by: Rush on April 30, 2023, 09:27:09 AM
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1652618148615471104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3Acatturd2%7Ctwcon%5Es1
He had a seizure and fell and tore up his shoulder or something. He went in surgery for that and there were extensive complications. He was on a ventilator but had been taken off and was recovering well, then suddenly died just today. No information how but likely post surgical blood clot which is a common risk for surgery.
There is a somewhat increased risk of seizure following Covid vaccination but is associated with fever and inflammation in the early days after, not long term. We don’t know if he was boosted recently.
Post by: Lucifer on April 30, 2023, 09:29:56 AM
He had a seizure and fell and tore up his shoulder or something. He went in surgery for that and there were extensive complications. He was on a ventilator but had been taken off and was recovering well, then suddenly died just today. No information how but likely post surgical blood clot which is a common risk for surgery.
There is a somewhat increased risk of seizure following Covid vaccination but is associated with fever and inflammation in the early days after, not long term. We don’t know if he was boosted recently.
Yep, totally unrelated....... Just a coincidence......
Post by: Rush on April 30, 2023, 09:38:27 AM
Yep, totally unrelated....... Just a coincidence......
Yes he had no seizure disorder previously. I’m certainly staying open to the possibility the jab caused this but also open to it being coincidence. If they do an autopsy and find no other factors such as an undiagnosed brain tumor then it becomes more suspicious. Also much more suspicious if he just got boosted. But if his last jab was a year ago, the odds of cause and effect go down. We just don’t know.
Post by: Lucifer on April 30, 2023, 09:47:28 AM
Yes he had no seizure disorder previously. I’m certainly staying open to the possibility the jab caused this but also open to it being coincidence. If they do an autopsy and find no other factors such as an undiagnosed brain tumor then it becomes more suspicious. Also much more suspicious if he just got boosted. But if his last jab was a year ago, the odds of cause and effect go down. We just don’t know.
We do know there are problems with the jab, yet our government keeps pushing it.
Before covidiacy any vaccine or drugs that began to show less than 1% of the problems the mRNA vaccines have shown were shut down immediately.
Post by: Rush on April 30, 2023, 11:03:07 AM
We do know there are problems with the jab, yet our government keeps pushing it.
Before covidiacy any vaccine or drugs that began to show less than 1% of the problems the mRNA vaccines have shown were shut down immediately.
That is true. Or at least not pushed. For example, the same seizure problem soon after a vaccination occurs with flu shots, but at a much lower rate. The CDC admits the Covid vax has a higher incidence of seizure (immediately after) than the flu shot does, but does not mandate flu shots. For some reason they push the Covid shots much more aggressively even though Covid has devolved into a disease no more dangerous than the flu. Why is that? It should be the other way around. The flu shots are relatively safer, they should be pushed more. Could it be because Covid vax is much more profitable than flu shots?
Post by: Lucifer on April 30, 2023, 12:02:19 PM
And with COVID over ( as signed by FJB), why are we still using EUA vaccines? Especially ones PROVEN not to work.
The pharmaceuticals have huge lobby powers.
Post by: nddons on April 30, 2023, 01:39:18 PM
We do know there are problems with the jab, yet our government keeps pushing it.The government is part of the global satanic death cult. More deaths of Americans is not really a problem for them. They are quite happy killing babies, both before and after birth, mutilating children’s bodies because of feelings, and creating rampant violent crime in our city streets without any desire to curb the violence or punish the violent ones.
Before covidiacy any vaccine or drugs that began to show less than 1% of the problems the mRNA vaccines have shown were shut down immediately.
So an uptick in deaths due to the jab? Not a problem in their book.
Post by: Lucifer on April 30, 2023, 03:08:09 PM
The government is part of the global satanic death cult. More deaths of Americans is not really a problem for them. They are quite happy killing babies, both before and after birth, mutilating children’s bodies because of feelings, and creating rampant violent crime in our city streets without any desire to curb the violence or punish the violent ones.
So an uptick in deaths due to the jab? Not a problem in their book.
Don’t forget the fentanyl flowing freely across our border. 100,000+ deaths a year.
Post by: Anthony on April 30, 2023, 03:20:44 PM
Of course they are. Pfizer and Moderna saw their largest profits ever, and don’t want the gravy train to stop.
And with COVID over ( as signed by FJB), why are we still using EUA vaccines? Especially ones PROVEN not to work.
The pharmaceuticals have huge lobby powers.
Part of the Neo Nazi regime we have with the automakers, MIC, Big Pharma, etc. Do you think Willy Messerschmitt will behave to get that new jet contract?
Think about it.
Post by: Lucifer on May 01, 2023, 05:36:11 PM
Post by: Lucifer on May 02, 2023, 05:36:00 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 02, 2023, 08:18:25 AM
https://rumble.com/v2l3cfk-mr-andrew-bridgen-mp.html
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 02, 2023, 09:01:25 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on May 02, 2023, 06:11:41 PM
Don’t forget the fentanyl flowing freely across our border. 100,000+ deaths a year.
Which is acceptable and encouraged since it allows the 'War on Drugs' to perpetuate,
Post by: Anthony on May 03, 2023, 01:16:54 AM
Which is acceptable and encouraged since it allows the 'War on Drugs' to perpetuate,
Also why Weed (Marijuana) will never be legalized on the Federal Level. It gives them too much money and power. Weed also prohibits you from legally owning firearms.
Post by: Lucifer on May 04, 2023, 05:18:10 AM
Post by: nddons on May 04, 2023, 07:05:01 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/mRwSjbG.png)It won’t happen, but I wish the largest class action lawsuit would take place against all these healthcare systems and employers who forced their employees to get the jab.
Even my CPA firm was involved to a limited extent. Since my firm is a Federal government contractor, the FedGov rules applied to all of my firm’s employees who were in the offices that handled the government contracts, i.e., the DC-area office.
Post by: Lucifer on May 04, 2023, 07:24:08 AM
It won’t happen, but I wish the largest class action lawsuit would take place against all these healthcare systems and employers who forced their employees to get the jab.
Even my CPA firm was involved to a limited extent. Since my firm is a Federal government contractor, the FedGov rules applied to all of my firm’s employees who were in the offices that handled the government contracts, i.e., the DC-area office.
Pope Tony is already giddy talking about the next pandemic. Oh, and next year is election year. Oh, and several biolabs in Sudan and Ukraine may have been compromised.
Is anyone paying attention yet?
We will see another "scamdemic", and these pricks are going to try all of this crap all over again, and why not? It worked last time beyond their wildest expectations.
And all those UniParty types making racket right now about what happened will get in line with the new narrative. Pfizer and Moderna will be filling the troughs full of cash.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 05, 2023, 06:09:12 AM
Post by: Rush on May 05, 2023, 07:51:27 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 14, 2023, 02:14:13 PM
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/regime-media-unvaccinated-are-scum/
Post by: Lucifer on May 23, 2023, 11:17:37 AM
https://nypost.com/2023/05/23/pandemic-even-deadlier-than-covid-is-coming-warns-who/
Post by: jb1842 on May 23, 2023, 11:30:28 AM
They are all giddy for this one.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/23/pandemic-even-deadlier-than-covid-is-coming-warns-who/
Got to get ready for the '24 elections.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on May 23, 2023, 11:52:06 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 23, 2023, 12:18:19 PM
They are all giddy for this one.
https://nypost.com/2023/05/23/pandemic-even-deadlier-than-covid-is-coming-warns-who/
gotta love "Disease X"
Watch out! the boogieman is gonna getcha!
Post by: Lucifer on May 23, 2023, 12:54:25 PM
It's coming.
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 08:24:16 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 06, 2023, 08:20:53 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 10, 2023, 08:53:08 AM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/06/10/wh-brings-back-face-masks-social-distancing-for-the-unvaccinated-n2624325
Quote
If you thought Democrats were done pushing the Covid hysteria, think again.
Despite announcing an end to the authoritarian Covid-19 government mandates, the Biden White House requires guests to practice social distancing and wear masks during their visit.
The mandates, however, will only target those who are unvaccinated.
President Joe Biden and First Lady Jill Biden will welcome the NCAA men’s and women’s national championship teams to “College Athlete Day” at the White House on Monday.
In an email from the White House Office of Legislative Affairs addressed to members of Congress, Covid protocols were listed, notifying lawmakers that they would need to show a negative Covid test before being allowed to attend the event. If unvaccinated, the attendees must wear a mask and social distance.
“Masking guidance: Fully vaccinated guests are not required to wear a mask on the White House grounds. Guests who are not fully vaccinated must wear a mask at all times and maintain at least six feet distance from others while on the White House grounds,” the email states.
According to a study conducted by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, masks are not practical to prevent the transmission of viruses, and even the N95 masks that everyone has become obsessed with are “non-inferior” to a surgical masks “in terms of influenza transmission rates among health care workers.”
Post by: Rush on June 10, 2023, 09:25:30 AM
And here we go again.............
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2023/06/10/wh-brings-back-face-masks-social-distancing-for-the-unvaccinated-n2624325
Stupid. I wonder how they define “fully vaccinated”. I got two jabs two years ago but no boosters. I think the damn thing only works half a year at most.
Post by: nddons on June 10, 2023, 11:30:11 AM
Stupid. I wonder how they define “fully vaccinated”. I got two jabs two years ago but no boosters. I think the damn thing only works half a year at most.Fuck them all. No fucking way am I submitting to that shit again.
Post by: Anthony on June 10, 2023, 12:50:24 PM
Fuck them all. No fucking way am I submitting to that shit again.
We had smoke in the air due to the Canadian wild fires here for a few days. Low viz, bad air quality numbers, etc. I was talking to a women while in line at the grocery store and she said she was going to wear a mask then thought, I'm never wearing a mask again! I said, good for you, me neither. Lots of people know better now.
Post by: Lucifer on June 10, 2023, 12:57:45 PM
Lots if people know better now.
Doesn't matter. They just nominated another lunatic for the CDC director, and with 2024 coming up and more attention being drawn to the Biden Crime Family, I expect another "scamdemic" to be deployed any time now.
Back to stupid masking, "social distancing" and all the other mass stupidity. It worked before, right?
Besides, Pfizer needs another several billion of our tax dollars. :o
Post by: Rush on June 10, 2023, 03:27:38 PM
Fuck them all. No fucking way am I submitting to that shit again.
Me neither. Never. I’m still getting texts from Walgreens and CVS about how I should come get a Covid booster. Fuck that shit.
Post by: Lucifer on June 10, 2023, 03:51:49 PM
Me neither. Never. I’m still getting texts from Walgreens and CVS about how I should come get a Covid booster. Fuck that shit.
Mark my word, they (WH) didn't come up with this on a whim. They are up to something.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 10, 2023, 06:33:46 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 11, 2023, 10:51:41 AM
Quote
Researchers have uncovered scientific fraud in the clinical trials for Pfizer’s mRNA COVID-19 vaccine related to the finding of DNA contamination.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 13, 2023, 05:32:12 AM
Fauci should be fucking hung.
Post by: Anthony on June 13, 2023, 05:56:10 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/green-monkey-dna-found-in-covid-19-shots_5317587.html?src_src=partner&src_cmp=goddeketal
Fauci should be fucking hung.
I had even conservative, lifelong friends urging to get the "vaccine" and saying if I didn't I couldn't see them or come to their house. I said fine, then I guess we won't see each other. It shows how brainwashed even smart, conservative people can be. I knew this wad a scam from the beginning and I'm not that smart.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 13, 2023, 06:00:43 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/green-monkey-dna-found-in-covid-19-shots_5317587.html?src_src=partner&src_cmp=goddeketal
Fauci should be fucking hung.
First thought that came to mind: is that “green monkey dna” unique to green monkeys?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 13, 2023, 06:03:49 AM
First thought that came to mind: is that “green monkey dna” unique to green monkeys?Not anymore, apparently, even if it once was. What a disaster.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on June 13, 2023, 07:51:01 AM
https://www.theepochtimes.com/health/green-monkey-dna-found-in-covid-19-shots_5317587.html?src_src=partner&src_cmp=goddeketal
Fauci should be fucking hung.
Hanged.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 13, 2023, 08:00:16 AM
Hanged.And let’s not split the infinitive. Fauci fucking should be hanged.
Post by: jb1842 on June 13, 2023, 09:27:04 AM
And let’s not split the infinitive. Fauci fucking should be hanged.
Stoned to death.
Post by: Rush on June 13, 2023, 09:50:40 AM
Hanged.
Hahahahahahahaha! Good catch. I doubt Fauci is fucking “hung”.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 13, 2023, 10:00:27 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 13, 2023, 03:23:22 PM
Hahahahahahahaha! Good catch. I doubt Fauci is fucking “hung”.You know that how? 8)
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on June 13, 2023, 05:49:27 PM
Stoned to death.And then hanged.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on June 13, 2023, 05:49:45 PM
Hahahahahahahaha! Good catch. I doubt Fauci is fucking “hung”.
Like a gnat.
Post by: Rush on June 13, 2023, 06:08:27 PM
You know that how? 8)
Didn’t say I knew it. Said I doubted it. And, gross.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 15, 2023, 05:15:25 AM
https://www.postbulletin.com/business/free-speech-group-pushes-mayo-clinic-over-its-discipline-of-dr-michael-joyner-for-problematic-statements
Post by: Lucifer on June 15, 2023, 05:21:15 AM
Public executions need to be held.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 15, 2023, 05:26:00 AM
There needs to be arrest, and tribunals held for scum like Fauci and Burkes for crimes against humanity.That would require a functional justice system, which we don’t have at the moment.
Public executions need to be held.
Post by: Anthony on June 15, 2023, 05:26:29 AM
This doctor spoke against two regime narratives. He tried repeatedly to warn people about the devastating effects of prescribing testosterone to women, and he tried to promote the use of convalescent plasma for Covid instead of the killing therapies. This is the Mayo Clinic, folks. “Problematic statements.”
https://www.postbulletin.com/business/free-speech-group-pushes-mayo-clinic-over-its-discipline-of-dr-michael-joyner-for-problematic-statements
This is the problem with Fascism. They can circumvent the Constitution by using corporations and employment to enforce their clampdown on free speech. They do this with the 2A also. I can't carry my concealed firearm at work. I can't even have it on their property, so I leave it at home and remain disarmed the entire day. When I get home it goes on.
Post by: Anthony on June 15, 2023, 05:27:34 AM
That would require a functional justice system, which we don’t have at the moment.
Exactly. It's over folks.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 15, 2023, 05:28:00 AM
Post by: Rush on June 15, 2023, 06:27:21 AM
This doctor spoke against two regime narratives. He tried repeatedly to warn people about the devastating effects of prescribing testosterone to women, and he tried to promote the use of convalescent plasma for Covid instead of the killing therapies. This is the Mayo Clinic, folks. “Problematic statements.”
https://www.postbulletin.com/business/free-speech-group-pushes-mayo-clinic-over-its-discipline-of-dr-michael-joyner-for-problematic-statements
Just to be clear, prescribing testosterone to women per se isn’t the problem. Normal women are supposed to have a little bit of testosterone, and if you are completely deficient you can correct it, but that’s not what he’s talking about. I quote: “ …about the long-term effects of testosterone on transgender female athletes.”
That’s what’s dangerous. If you have two X chromosomes and no Y, your body isn’t designed to handle 1000 ng/dL of testosterone. But you’re supposed to have up to 100 ng/dL. This is optimal for your bones, cardiovascular health and mental health.
I fear conservatives are going to start banning testosterone for women without parsing this difference, or even if they do, practitioners and pharmacies will self-ban for fear of liability or mistaken enforcement. This is already happening with states that have banned the “abortion pill” which is also used to treat miscarriage.
Once again I lay the blame for any looming conservative backlash squarely at the feet of the insane radical left. Without them pushing late term abortions, and now shoving LGBTQ+ into the spotlight 24/7, this pushback would not have happened.
The right was not initiating radical crackdowns on these issues before the left pushed way too far. Most people have relatively centrist positions on life: live and let live. We are caught in the crossfire between these growing extremist factions, again, it is driven by leftist overreach, probably in concert with the greedy abortion industry, transgender industry and pharmaceutical companies. They couldn’t leave well enough alone with reasonable levels of these things but had to increase the profit by increasingly messing with peoples’ reproductive systems.
This is becoming a disaster all the way around.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 15, 2023, 07:16:53 AM
And I’m done with “live and let live.” It’s a failed maxim, and it’s why we are where we are. Dag Hammarskjold wrote that “a good gardener does not reserve a plot for weeds.” We should have been rooting the rot out all along.
Post by: Rush on June 15, 2023, 09:54:00 AM
I hate taking drugs and cannot fathom electively ingesting drugs for life, especially hormones with all their inherent side effects and dangers, in a guaranteed-futile attempt to try and fool one’s body into the opposite gender.
Agree about trying to fool your body into the opposite gender and I also agree I hate to take drugs for life. It’s why I refuse to take a statin. But having said that I admit I finally went on post menopausal hormone replacement because of persistent severe hot flashes. Best decision I ever made, I’m so much happier. And I suppose I’ll have to continue for life or the symptoms will return. But I have XX chromosomes and so what I am taking is matched to my genes. The transgender hormone therapy is EXPERIMENTAL. We simply have no idea the extent of long term damage it causes but we have plenty of evidence that there is permanent damage.
There needs to be a huge increase in lawsuits against these people for experimenting on patients without their fully informed consent and especially if they are minors.
Quote
And I’m done with “live and let live.” It’s a failed maxim, and it’s why we are where we are. Dag Hammarskjold wrote that “a good gardener does not reserve a plot for weeds.” We should have been rooting the rot out all along.
I’m fine with “live and let live” for adults but they must be fully informed of all risks and of the experimental nature of these transitioning therapies. That is not happening, in fact, the truth is being actively censored with the blessing of the political class. This is an evil, unconscionable situation.
It’s bad for everyone, including true transgenders. If you want to transition later in life, like Caitlyn Jenner for example, you know yourself very well, your brain is fully mature, you are able to educate yourself on all the risks and benefits, you should be free do do so. I’m against any kind of government interference in your right to do that. I object to forcing taxpayers to pay for it but then I’m against taxpayers paying for anybody’s healthcare. It should be a completely privatized system. But I digress.
But by making transitioning such a large profitable industry, and covering up the risks, true transgenders are encouraged to go full ahead with the surgeries and everything, which even at an older wiser age, can end up not fully informed, and it is still experimental. I’d be okay with a law mandating people be shown graphic images of the surgeries and especially, the complications, and the risks of hormone therapy, as well as being informed that there are no long term studies showing you actually end up happier.
This epidemic is mind boggling. CLEARLY most of these people aren’t trans at all, but are caught up in a horrific cult of self loathing and narcissistic naval gazing, rooted in our society enabling this by removing them from the need to directly labor for their own keep.
I’m convinced that’s the ultimate source of most of this. You don’t see this nonsense among the Amish or among primitive tribes in the Amazon. Not having to work, daily and physically (not sitting in front of a screen) for your food and shelter, along with the horrible American diet, probably drives this kind of abnormal human divergence. We simply were not meant to sit around indoors getting fat with infinite supplies of cheap carbs keeping us alive but totally messing up our brain’s neurotransmitters. I’m guessing there’s not a lot of trans-wannabes among those guys in the oil drilling videos I posted.
Post by: Little Joe on June 16, 2023, 03:32:30 AM
I'm ok with that, but I'd add "live and let live - or die. It's your choice.
I’m fine with “live and let live” for adults . . .
And Trans men still don't have the right to participate in women's sports. They just don't.
Quote
but they must be fully informed of all risks and of the experimental nature of these transitioning therapies. That is not happening,That's sort of like saying smokers weren't warned that smoking could kill you. If so, then why were cigarettes called "coffin nails" in WWI and before?
Post by: Rush on June 16, 2023, 04:17:31 AM
I'm ok with that, but I'd add "live and let live - or die. It's your choice.
And Trans men still don't have the right to participate in women's sports. They just don't.
Totally agree trans in women’s sports is a travesty.
Quote
That's sort of like saying smokers weren't warned that smoking could kill you. If so, then why were cigarettes called "coffin nails" in WWI and before?
I guess if you’re a young man in war expecting to be blown up at any time, you figure you won’t live long enough to get cancer and the nicotine makes you able to cope better with the situation. It’s a drug. Then of course by the time the war is over you’re addicted.
Post by: Little Joe on June 16, 2023, 05:00:52 AM
True, but still they knew that smoking could kill you; albeit slowly. So why have all those people won lawsuits because they weren't informed of that fact when they started. They made bad decisions and they paid the price. Perhaps the tobacco companies should have been punished for distributing a dangerous product, but that punishment should not have been to reward people that chose to smoke those dangerous products.
I guess if you’re a young man in war expecting to be blown up at any time, you figure you won’t live long enough to get cancer and the nicotine makes you able to cope better with the situation. It’s a drug. Then of course by the time the war is over you’re addicted.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 16, 2023, 05:15:59 AM
Post by: Rush on June 16, 2023, 08:14:22 AM
True, but still they knew that smoking could kill you; albeit slowly. So why have all those people won lawsuits because they weren't informed of that fact when they started. They made bad decisions and they paid the price. Perhaps the tobacco companies should have been punished for distributing a dangerous product, but that punishment should not have been to reward people that chose to smoke those dangerous products.
I agree with that and in a similar vein I oppose punishing manufacturers of prescription opioids because some idiots get themselves addicted. When I had my hip surgery they gave me a cocktail of four or five different opioids in an IV and orally, as well as injecting it directly into the tissue around my joint replacement before they sewed me back up. Thank GOD for opioids. I didn’t turn into a drug addict and I damn sure don’t want the drug companies’ production limited by government regulation or fear of heavy fines and lawsuits because druggies abuse them illegally.
My suggestion to solve the drug addict problem: stop feeding them! Just do not enable them by giving them food and/or shelter. When they get hungry enough they’ll quit drugs and get a job, or suicide themselves and either way won’t be our problem anymore.
Post by: Lucifer on June 16, 2023, 10:09:49 AM
Post by: jb1842 on June 16, 2023, 11:49:09 AM
https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/15/investigation-finds-400-billion-was-stolen-or-wasted-in-covid-fraudsters-great-grift/
If that's what they are willing to admit, you know the real number is way more than that.
Post by: Rush on June 16, 2023, 11:55:29 AM
But the doorman downstairs still had the face diaper on. But he looks in his 90s so maybe I’ll give him a pass.
Post by: Lucifer on June 16, 2023, 11:58:59 AM
If that's what they are willing to admit, you know the real number is way more than that.
It was all a hoax.
Every.Damn.Bit
Post by: nddons on June 16, 2023, 12:36:51 PM
https://www.jeremyrhammond.com/2023/06/10/scientific-fraud-covid-19-vaccine/What does it matter? Trump gave them complete immunity. Fraud smaud. Pfizer is laughing all the way to the bank.
Post by: jb1842 on June 16, 2023, 12:41:50 PM
It was all a hoax.
Every.Damn.Bit
It was a well executed dry run ro see what they could get away with for 2024. It produced results greater than their wildest imagination.
Post by: Lucifer on June 23, 2023, 05:52:27 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 23, 2023, 06:07:35 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 13, 2023, 08:51:01 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 13, 2023, 09:07:23 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 15, 2023, 12:18:43 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on July 18, 2023, 09:03:01 AM
They think we’re children, gaping slack jawed at the screen wanting the latest shiny gadget or sugary cereal. This exact thing is what caused many of us to say no.
Post by: Number7 on July 18, 2023, 10:44:45 AM
https://twitter.com/ACTBrigitte/status/1680757055362158592
They think we’re children, gaping slack jawed at the screen wanting the latest shiny gadget or sugary cereal. This exact thing is what caused many of us to say no.
The communist party that made slaves of their useless idiots in the democrat party is salivating over what they camps make hose moronic, assholes do with just a wink and a nudge.
It won’t be long and democrats I’ll start killing their parents to reduce over population and the biden freak show will be collecting all of their assets to fight climate change,
Post by: Lucifer on July 18, 2023, 02:28:04 PM
Quote
Over the last few months, there have been numerous rumors hinting that U.S. taxpayers are financing the high-end security detail and transportation expenses of the retired health official.
After months of speculation, Jesse Watters’ Primetime news filed a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request demanding details on the matter. The information received in response to the FOIA request revealed that taxpayers are indeed financing Dr. Fauci’s extensive security measures and high-class transportation.
Detailed documentation from the U.S. Marshals showed the agency provided Fauci with round-the-clock security and limousine services. Typically, such comprehensive benefits are reserved for the President, Vice President, and their immediate families. This raises pressing questions regarding why the same privileges are extended to Dr. Fauci, a retired health official.
“The only people who get a security detail after retirement are presidents, vice presidents, and their families,” said Jesse Watters.
“Taxpayers are still paying for Fauci’s security. Fauci’s got billions in the bank, and he doesn’t work for us anymore. So why are we paying for it?” Jesse Watters added.
Dr. McCullough on New Studies: “The COVID-19 Vaccine Campaign Has Generated a Tidal Wave of New Patients”
According to Watters, the security detail was requested by Merrick Garland himself.
“The Attorney General, Merrick Garland, personally asked for Fauci to get the security detail. He’s slated to have it through September, maybe even longer. They still haven’t said how much it costs us. I mean, it has to be hundreds of thousands of dollars. The guy’s got world class US. Marshals. And we also found out the security detail includes a limousine for the doctor,” he said.
“So now we’ve proven that Dr. Fauci is getting around the clock security provided by the US. Marshals. That means they station someone outside his house, the limousines take him wherever he needs to go to the airport,” Watters added.
During the interview, Rand Paul told Jesse Watters that the government lied to him about taxpayers funding of Dr. Fauci’s retirement benefits. The government said that it had ceased funding for Dr. Fauci’s benefits as of January. This information now appears to have been misleading, as the recent FOIA revelation indicates that the U.S. Marshals have been funding the benefits.
“We asked HHS early in the summer. We said, ‘Is he still working, and does he have this limo, and does he have a driver, and does he have a security detail?’ Well, HHS actually came back to us and said they haven’t been paying for it since January,” shared Rand Paul.
“Then we discovered that FOX did a Freedom of Information Act, and a judge forced them to say that, well, while HHS wasn’t directly funding it, the U.S. Marshals were funding it.”
“So, can you imagine? We asked the government, ‘Are you funding his limo and his driver and his security detail?’ and they say, ‘Oh, we’re not doing it, but somebody else is doing it. And then we’re reimbursing them.’ So it’s a terrible example of the government lying to its representatives and to the people.”
“The only retired official I know of that gets this kind of treatment is a former president. So, I have no idea why this bureaucrat still has a limo driver, security detail, and we want to know, does he still get legal representation? Because I think he may need that eventually,” concluded Rand Paul.
Post by: Anthony on July 18, 2023, 02:35:30 PM
Post by: Lucifer on July 19, 2023, 04:54:01 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 25, 2023, 06:45:01 AM
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/07/21/fact-sheet-white-house-launches-office-of-pandemic-preparedness-and-response-policy/
Post by: Rush on July 25, 2023, 12:29:37 PM
They are gearing up for the next event.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/07/21/fact-sheet-white-house-launches-office-of-pandemic-preparedness-and-response-policy/
Quote
This will be a permanent office in the Executive Office of the President (EOP) charged with leading, coordinating, and implementing actions related to preparedness for, and response to, known and unknown biological threats or pathogens that could lead to a pandemic or to significant public health-related disruptions in the United States.
Announcement, October 1, 2024:
“We think there is an imminent unknown new virus about to invade the population so we are mandating lockdowns and requiring all voting be done by mail in ballot.”
Signed,
Major General (ret) Paul Friedrichs, Director
Office of Pandemic Preparedness and Response (OPPR)
Post by: Lucifer on July 25, 2023, 12:54:21 PM
Announcement, October 1, 2024:
“We think there is an imminent unknown new virus about to invade the population so we are mandating lockdowns and requiring all voting be done by mail in ballot.”
Signed,
Major General (ret) Paul Friedrichs, Director
Office of Pandemic Preparedness and Response (OPPR)
Yep. This country does not need a OPPR.
Post by: Anthony on July 25, 2023, 01:25:32 PM
Yep. This country does not need a OPPR.
This country needs an enema to get rid of the Democrats and Establishment Republicans.
Post by: Rush on July 25, 2023, 01:47:52 PM
Yep. This country does not need a OPPR.
We didn’t need a CDC in 2020. They did more damage to this country than we’ve seen since the Great Depression.
Post by: Lucifer on July 25, 2023, 02:14:55 PM
We didn’t need a CDC in 2020. They did more damage to this country than we’ve seen since the Great Depression.
No argument there. To add, the CDC exceeded their authority as well.
The original intent of the constitution was to empower the states to make their own laws and run their own governments. The founders did not want an expansive huge federal government. Yet, here we are.
Post by: Anthony on July 25, 2023, 02:27:47 PM
No argument there. To add, the CDC exceeded their authority as well.
The original intent of the constitution was to empower the states to make their own laws and run their own governments. The founders did not want an expansive huge federal government. Yet, here we are.
Thank the Courts who allow the unbridled over reach of the Federal Government to over power the states. And thank the state politicians that welcome them and a good portion of the voting public who vote for it.
Post by: Rush on July 25, 2023, 02:42:34 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on July 25, 2023, 02:54:41 PM
Post by: Lucifer on July 25, 2023, 03:11:09 PM
BTW, LeBron James son suffered cardiac arrest during a basketball practice. Are we betting if he was vaxxed or not?
LeBron was big into vaxxing and pushed it.
But we know it's just a coincidence............
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on July 25, 2023, 04:04:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ddVIyAp.jpg)
I must've slept through it.
Also, how does Fauci have billions of dollars as a well-paid public employee?
Post by: Anthony on July 26, 2023, 01:49:55 AM
I must've slept through it.
Also, how does Fauci have billions of dollars as a well-paid public employee?
Pfizer and other big Pharma stock. He was just lucky. Oh and gifts from these same companies just out of kindness because he saved so many lives.
Post by: Lucifer on July 26, 2023, 04:48:59 AM
Post by: Little Joe on July 26, 2023, 05:48:09 AM
Quote from: President in Exile YOLT
Do you have a citation for that? I'd love to use it with my in-laws, but I would need to verify it.
Also, how does Fauci have billions of dollars as a well-paid public employee?
The best I could find is that Fauci's net worth doubled to $12.6 million during the scamdemic.
Post by: Username on July 26, 2023, 05:55:01 AM
https://www.caclubindia.com/wealth/anthony-fauci-net-worth/
Anthony Fauci is the owner of over 19 real estate properties, through which he earns over $5 million in rental income. Half of these properties were bought by him from the Walton Family either for free of cost or at 90% less than the market price. The Family helped Fauci this way, to seek future favors from him.
Anthony Fauci owns over $58 million through stock market investments. Fauci’s portfolio is managed by his dear friend and Hedge Fund Manager Peter Schiff. Anthony Fauci owns shares in the following companies.
Johnson & Johnson
Apple
JP Morgan
Pfizer Inc
Abbott Laboratories
Post by: Lucifer on July 26, 2023, 05:58:02 AM
The best I could find is that Fauci's net worth doubled to $12.6 million during the scamdemic.
Not bad for a guy who has been a life long government employee on a government salary.
Post by: Lucifer on July 26, 2023, 05:59:52 AM
Forbes has his net worth at 120 million
https://www.caclubindia.com/wealth/anthony-fauci-net-worth/
Anthony Fauci is the owner of over 19 real estate properties, through which he earns over $5 million in rental income. Half of these properties were bought by him from the Walton Family either for free of cost or at 90% less than the market price. The Family helped Fauci this way, to seek future favors from him.
Anthony Fauci owns over $58 million through stock market investments. Fauci’s portfolio is managed by his dear friend and Hedge Fund Manager Peter Schiff. Anthony Fauci owns shares in the following companies.
Johnson & Johnson
Apple
JP Morgan
Pfizer Inc
Abbott Laboratories
And yet the taxpayers are on the hook to provide him 24/7 security.
Post by: Username on July 26, 2023, 06:05:03 AM
Post by: Anthony on July 26, 2023, 06:54:30 AM
Forbes has his net worth at 120 million
https://www.caclubindia.com/wealth/anthony-fauci-net-worth/
Anthony Fauci is the owner of over 19 real estate properties, through which he earns over $5 million in rental income. Half of these properties were bought by him from the Walton Family either for free of cost or at 90% less than the market price. The Family helped Fauci this way, to seek future favors from him.
Anthony Fauci owns over $58 million through stock market investments. Fauci’s portfolio is managed by his dear friend and Hedge Fund Manager Peter Schiff. Anthony Fauci owns shares in the following companies.
Johnson & Johnson
Apple
JP Morgan
Pfizer Inc
Abbott Laboratories
I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you! There's gambling going on in this cafe!
Post by: Little Joe on July 26, 2023, 06:57:11 AM
Not bad for a guy who has been a life long government employee on a government salary.Quite true. But even if Username's figure of $120million is accurate, and I'm sure it's closer to the truth than the number I found, that is a far cry from "Billions".
Post by: Lucifer on July 26, 2023, 07:06:26 AM
Quite true. But even if Username's figure of $120million is accurate, and I'm sure it's closer to the truth than the number I found, that is a far cry from "Billions".
We can debate billions vs millions. But the problem here is a government employee, who has been on a government payroll his entire working life, is now worth many many times more than what most other gov employees are. And even more troubling are his "investments".
Dr "I am the science" used his government position to enrich himself at the cost of the citizens. He also used his position to make his cohorts fabulously wealthy. Add in that he participated in gain of function research by funding it, and he dictated policies that caused thousands upon thousands of deaths.
That little motherfucker is nothing more than a modern day Mengele. If we had a functioning country he would be facing the gallows for his crimes against humanity.
Post by: Anthony on July 26, 2023, 08:53:01 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on July 26, 2023, 10:33:45 AM
Only The Party elite get the inside track to easy mega wealth. Others have to work for it.
what? you mean us old white guys aren't just being handed money?
Post by: Rush on July 26, 2023, 10:50:08 AM
what? you mean us old white guys aren't just being handed money?
No. We worked our asses off all our lives for our measly half a million to three million net worth (the category considered “middle” in terms of being too rich to qualify for Medicaid and too poor to self insure for long term care. Most of us here are probably somewhere in that range.) And we get the privilege of watching our lifetime savings wither away with inflation and waste, as the government prints money, pours it into Ukraine and funds endless federal bureaucracies that hate us and squash our rights and freedoms at every turn.
Post by: Anthony on July 26, 2023, 11:25:27 AM
No. We worked our asses off all our lives for our measly half a million to three million net worth (the category considered “middle” in terms of being too rich to qualify for Medicaid and too poor to self insure for long term care. Most of us here are probably somewhere in that range.) And we get the privilege of watching our lifetime savings wither away with inflation and waste, as the government prints money, pours it into Ukraine and funds endless federal bureaucracies that hate us and squash our rights and freedoms at every turn.
^^^^^^This!!!
Post by: Rush on July 27, 2023, 07:13:49 PM
Post by: Lucifer on July 28, 2023, 05:31:37 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 03, 2023, 06:48:37 AM
A little local drama unfolded this week as elections were held. Two freaking years ago three school board members proposed (proposed!!!!) that masks in schools be optional as it was becoming evident they were useless but also harmful, in ways we all know because we’re not idiots … oxygen deprivation, infections building up in the moist masks, deprivation of facial cues, etc etc.
For pointing these things out, and proposing a mask-optional policy, these three school board members ruthlessly were persecuted in local media and a recall campaign mounted against them. A counter-campaign arose to save and defend them, but this week citizens voted around 55-44 percent to recall, thus establishing the city worthy of the moniker given to it by conservatives hereabouts as “Little Seattle.”
Libs are alive and well and voting. Doesn’t bode well.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 03, 2023, 07:02:54 AM
K, so we all know by this point that these little homemade fabric and Chinese-made blue masks are pretty much worthless, despite their being !!!required!!! throughout the whole covid debacle.:( :(
A little local drama unfolded this week as elections were held. Two freaking years ago three school board members proposed (proposed!!!!) that masks in schools be optional as it was becoming evident they were useless but also harmful, in ways we all know because we’re not idiots … oxygen deprivation, infections building up in the moist masks, deprivation of facial cues, etc etc.
For pointing these things out, and proposing a mask-optional policy, these three school board members ruthlessly were persecuted in local media and a recall campaign mounted against them. A counter-campaign arose to save and defend them, but this week citizens voted around 55-44 percent to recall, thus establishing the city worthy of the moniker given to it by conservatives hereabouts as “Little Seattle.”
Libs are alive and well and voting. Doesn’t bode well.
Post by: Lucifer on August 03, 2023, 07:13:48 AM
There is another one coming, they've been laying the groundwork with no pushback. This next one will even be more radical than the last.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 05, 2023, 07:48:02 AM
https://twitter.com/DrBenTapper1/status/1687603811425124353
Post by: Username on August 05, 2023, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 06, 2023, 10:01:23 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12378249/Pfizer-loses-144-BILLION-Americans-COVID-sales-virus-drugs-vaccines-plummet.html
Quote
Pfizer has lost $88billion in market share and $144billion in value since its market peak in just one year as the drugmaker suffers a major hangover from the success of its COVID vaccine.
The pharmaceutical giant enjoyed a record $100billion in sales last year, powered by its COVID vaccine and drug.
But after becoming the first pharma firm to break the billion-dollar barrier, its performance has fallen off a cliff this year.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 08, 2023, 03:49:44 PM
Post by: Rush on August 08, 2023, 05:48:53 PM
Don't know it this is a parody account...../
No. He’s for real.
Post by: Number7 on August 08, 2023, 06:22:09 PM
Don't know it this is a parody account...../
Is that mikey’s account??
Sure seems like it.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 08, 2023, 07:36:52 PM
Is that mikey’s account??"As I've said already, the vaccines are coming along more quickly that in past outbreaks because of new technology. Because it is new technology we have to be very, very careful about its implementation. I have deep reservations about this technology, and the last time I had reservations this deep people died."
Sure seems like it.
From: http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=4954.msg83502#msg83502 (http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?topic=4954.msg83502#msg83502)
Close enough.
(https://i1.wp.com/mediabiasfactcheck.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/MostlyTrue.png?resize=200%2C200&ssl=1)
(Edit to make clear the "fact check" is on Number7's post.)
Post by: Rush on August 09, 2023, 03:54:23 AM
(Edit to make clear the "fact check" is on Number7's post.)
Which one?
Post by: Number7 on August 09, 2023, 04:32:33 AM
Which one?
He is making weak assumptions based on anecdotal statements… as usual.
Post by: Lucifer on August 09, 2023, 06:06:06 AM
Trump can do nothing, and I do mean nothing, to speed vaccine development. As I've said already, the vaccines are coming along more quickly that in past outbreaks because of new technology. Because it is new technology we have to be very, very careful about its implementation. I have deep reservations about this technology, and the last time I had reservations this deep people died.
Post by: Rush on August 09, 2023, 06:21:07 AM
This should clear some of the confusion. This is a quote from another thread by the good perfessor.
The Tim Williams guy is real. He’s a professional artist and has a website. Seems to be an older leftist. Our professor will have to speak for himself about his earlier statement about not trusting the new vaccine and whether he changed his mind and now favors mandates, boosters, etc. It is very common that lefties hated the vax at first because it was “Trump’s” and then the minute Biden, the CDC, and Democrat governors started forcing it on everyone suddenly the lefties were all in favor of it. That explains Tim Williams’ two posts. But like I said, Michael will have to speak for himself, I can’t recall if he did that big a 180.
Edit: In all fairness some on the right did the reverse, were all applauding Trump rushing the vaccine, then decided they didn’t like it after Biden got in office and pushed it so hard.
Post by: Lucifer on August 09, 2023, 06:24:35 AM
The Tim Williams guy is real. He’s a professional artist and has a website. Seems to be an older leftist. Our professor will have to speak for himself about his earlier statement about not trusting the new vaccine and whether he changed his mind and now favors mandates, boosters, etc. It is very common that lefties hated the vax at first because it was “Trump’s” and then the minute Biden, the CDC, and Democrat governors started forcing it on everyone suddenly the lefties were all in favor of it. That explains Tim Williams’ two posts. But like I said, Michael will have to speak for himself, I can’t recall if he did that big a 180.
Edit: In all fairness some on the right did the reverse, were all applauding Trump rushing the vaccine, then decided they didn’t like it after Biden got in office and pushed it so hard.
The date on the perfesser's post says it all.
Post by: Rush on August 09, 2023, 06:37:52 AM
The date on the perfesser's post says it all.
Exactly. People flip flopped the minute the administration changed.
The problem on both sides is that it doesn’t have anything to do with who is president and whether he was a D or an R. But people assume whoever is president “owns” it. The vaccine was a product of the pharmaceutical companies, CDC researchers, etc. and would have come about regardless. Trump may have sped it up a bit but it was not “his” and neither is it Biden’s. mRNA vaccines had been under development already for a long time over several administrations. We should neither embrace it nor reject it based on political bias, but on hard facts and data. Unfortunately the data and facts are manipulated by political actors on both sides so that’s easier said than done.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 09, 2023, 08:52:19 AM
Which one?
My post was intended to show that Number7's point could be substantially true because steingar went from warning about the vaccine to urging everyone to take it.
But yeah, I see the confusion because steingar's old warning post also fact-checks as true.
Post by: Rush on August 09, 2023, 10:50:43 AM
My post was intended to show that Number7's point could be substantially true because steingar went from warning about the vaccine to urging everyone to take it.
But yeah, I see the confusion because steingar's old warning post also fact-checks as true.
Oh, his point that the Tim Williams account could be “Mikey’s”? Okay, I get what you mean. They do seem to have a lot in common but Michael does origami while Tim does drawings and paintings. They’re not the same person. They’re probably both Gen X or late Boomer Democrats.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 11, 2023, 07:06:45 AM
True.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 11, 2023, 10:11:46 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fda-drops-ivermectin-bombshell
Post by: Lucifer on August 11, 2023, 10:14:52 AM
And now this, you cannot make this shit up....
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fda-drops-ivermectin-bombshell
Several doctors lost their jobs prescribing this. Several more were threatened. Even pharmacies refused to fill legal prescriptions.
Post by: Anthony on August 11, 2023, 10:22:16 AM
Several doctors lost their jobs prescribing this. Several more were threatened. Even pharmacies refused to fill legal prescriptions.
Not only that neither the CDC, the AMA, nor the media supported UT at all. In fact they warned against it as they're all bought and paid for by big Pharma and others.
Post by: Rush on August 11, 2023, 05:57:48 PM
And now this, you cannot make this shit up....
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fda-drops-ivermectin-bombshell
And the Bee is on it!
https://babylonbee.com/news/pfizer-releases-popular-new-drug-pfivermectin
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on August 11, 2023, 07:21:48 PM
And now this, you cannot make this shit up....Bear in mind, the randomized controlled trials are quite clear that ivermectin does NOT work to treat Covid-19. Nonetheless, as the FDA has noted, doctors are free to legally prescribe it for that indication. That does not mean it is good clinical practice.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fda-drops-ivermectin-bombshell
So quite reasonable for doctors to refuse to prescribe it for Covid-19, because that would not be evidence based medicine.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 11, 2023, 07:33:36 PM
Bear in mind, the randomized controlled trials are quite clear that ivermectin does NOT work to treat Covid-19. Nonetheless, as the FDA has noted, doctors are free to legally prescribe it for that indication. That does not mean it is good clinical practice.
So quite reasonable for doctors to refuse to prescribe it for Covid-19, because that would not be evidence based medicine.
Since near the beginning of the pandemic the following site has been aggregating all the studies it could find on studies of all sorts of Covid-19 treatments. They do their own review of the studies, such as quality and errors, but always link to the original studies.
https://c19early.org/ (https://c19early.org/)
Click on any treatment to see details, such as Ivermectin:
https://c19ivm.org/ (https://c19ivm.org/)
They summarize a 55% improvement reported in 46 RCTs (Randomized Controlled Trials.)
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on August 11, 2023, 08:17:32 PM
Since near the beginning of the pandemic the following site has been aggregating all the studies it could find on studies of all sorts of Covid-19 treatments. They do their own review of the studies, such as quality and errors, but always link to the original studies.The latter is the site which just averages the results of studies. That is a completely invalid way to evaluate science. Some studies are better than others and this has to be accounted for. (Frankly I find it sort of incredible that the authors of that site could think that is a valid way to do science. But I don’t believe they have any training in biomedical research. ETA - actually I don’t believe they even reveal who they are.)
https://c19early.org/ (https://c19early.org/)
Click on any treatment to see details, such as Ivermectin:
https://c19ivm.org/ (https://c19ivm.org/)
They summarize a 55% improvement reported in 46 RCTs (Randomized Controlled Trials.)
For lay people it really is best to look at peer-reviewed reviews. The last time I searched all but one had concluded that ivermectin did not work to treat Covid-19. And the one which came to a different conclusion was widely criticized for strong bias in selecting studies.
Most tellingly, the Cochrane review on the subject concludes “Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use of ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID‐19 outside of well‐designed randomized trials.” If not familiar, the Cochrane reviews are perhaps the most rigorous available in the biomedical literature.
Could increasing the power of the available studies eventually reveal some small effect? Yes, of course, as that is always the case. But at some point one has to decide what future research is worth the effort and expense. And well designed and controlled randomized controlled studies are not cheap - like many millions of dollars. In my view, time to give up on the hypothesis that ivermectin can be used to treat Covid-19 and move on to other promising lines of research.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on August 11, 2023, 08:35:04 PM
Should the government have anything to say about what substances individuals choose to put into their bodies? No.
Should the CDC, FDA, or NIH exist and be paid for with funds taken coercively from citizens? No.
Have large pharmaceutical companies captured regulators like the FDA, thus biasing their decisions and reports. Certainly, and as usual.
Should doctors be allowed legally to prescribe what in their best judgement will help the patient. Yes.
Has the subject of ivermectin to treat Covid-19 been over-politicized so that the American public has been barraged by propaganda. Yes.
Post by: Rush on August 12, 2023, 03:54:15 AM
Since this is mostly a political site, let me briefly explain my views on the politics of this question.
Should the government have anything to say about what substances individuals choose to put into their bodies? No.
Should the CDC, FDA, or NIH exist and be paid for with funds taken coercively from citizens? No.
Have large pharmaceutical companies captured regulators like the FDA, thus biasing their decisions and reports. Certainly, and as usual.
Should doctors be allowed legally to prescribe what in their best judgement will help the patient. Yes.
Has the subject of ivermectin to treat Covid-19 been over-politicized so that the American public has been barraged by propaganda. Yes.
Finally someone with the right political views but who also objectively assesses facts.
Having said that my two concerns about your pursuit of facts are:
1. I understand that bias is now beginning to affect peer reviews. We already know that “science” is now heavily compromised on the subject of climate change. I have no reason to trust the science anymore on any other subject. Scientists are now being incubated in universities which have become 90% politically biased in one direction. And even if they aren’t, after we just found out that the Feds had infiltrated and coerced social media to propagandize by censorious omission, how do I know they’re not also pressuring scientists to publish or not, or what to conclude or omit in a peer review?
2. I seem to recall most of the studies on ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine were done in hospital settings. Once you have been hospitalized you’ve missed the window where those treatments work. You have to take them very early, preferably the first or second day of symptoms. If the Covid test doesn’t even turn positive until day 3, I doubt any of those studies actually used them properly. Correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t have time to actually dig into it right now.
Post by: Anthony on August 12, 2023, 07:16:00 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 12, 2023, 07:25:24 AM
So there is an example of a federal agency overriding a doctor’s valid prescription for a legacy drug that has been used off label for decades.
It’s so, so simple. There could be NO treatment, or the vaccine manufacturers would lose their liability shield.
Now the official word is that ivermectin may be used to treat Covid. Why such a starkly visible and dramatic change?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 12, 2023, 07:32:44 AM
Post by: Rush on August 12, 2023, 08:07:44 AM
I repeat my account of trying to refill an ivermectin prescription in 2021 and being told by the pharmacist he could not fill it if my intent was to use it for Covid in any way. Asked why, he said the FDA forbade it.
So there is an example of a federal agency overriding a doctor’s valid prescription for a legacy drug that has been used off label for decades.
It’s so, so simple. There could be NO treatment, or the vaccine manufacturers would lose their liability shield.
Now the official word is that ivermectin may be used to treat Covid. Why such a starkly visible and dramatic change?
The FDA never had the authority to forbid it, as the court found and the FDA’s own lawyer admitted. The pharmacy never should have acted on the FDA’s unauthorized overreach on social media or otherwise to discourage its use for this off label purpose.
I’m not even sure it’s the pharmacist’s business to know why the doctor prescribed it to you. Pharmacies don’t have access to your protected health information to my knowledge. But in this instance I can somewhat understand the pharmacy’s position as they could be liable in this atmosphere of persecution. Doctors have been fired and pharmacies have been threatened by licensing boards. There is a high likelihood your pharmacy was “warned” to behave.
If it’s a chain, pharmacists might also need to obey their woke corporate masters. When I tried to get my second Pfizer shot, the pharmacist at Walgreens said he couldn’t give it to me because I had exceeded the 8 week or whatever timeframe. I said, “Seriously?” And he said, “Yes, the CDC says you must get the second within 8 weeks or you have to start all over.” I said, “okay, give me the first Pfizer again” with the intention to just never return for the “second” but then he said they were out of Pfizer and I had to start with Moderna.
I said no thank you and left, drove over to CVS and asked for the second Pfizer shot, showed them my card which showed I was many weeks late for it. They didn’t even blink. Gave me the shot.
I go home and look it up on the CDC website. The CDC says it is best to get the second at 8 or whatever weeks, but if you are late, it is perfectly fine to get the second. There is no maximum timeframe.
So the pharmacist LIED to me. Or Walgreen’s management lied to him and told him what to tell the customers.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on August 12, 2023, 11:32:11 AM
Finally someone with the right political views but who also objectively assesses facts.
Having said that my two concerns about your pursuit of facts are:
1. I understand that bias is now beginning to affect peer reviews. We already know that “science” is now heavily compromised on the subject of climate change. I have no reason to trust the science anymore on any other subject. Scientists are now being incubated in universities which have become 90% politically biased in one direction. And even if they aren’t, after we just found out that the Feds had infiltrated and coerced social media to propagandize by censorious omission, how do I know they’re not also pressuring scientists to publish or not, or what to conclude or omit in a peer review?
2. I seem to recall most of the studies on ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine were done in hospital settings. Once you have been hospitalized you’ve missed the window where those treatments work. You have to take them very early, preferably the first or second day of symptoms. If the Covid test doesn’t even turn positive until day 3, I doubt any of those studies actually used them properly. Correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t have time to actually dig into it right now.
Thanks for the kind words.
I have to agree that wokeness has certainly started to infiltrate peer-review. I had a paper on the neural effects of the race of a perceived face. We spent two years getting it through peer-review at the Proceedings at the National Academy of Sciences. At the end of that process it was sent to a new special political correctness review and rejected. We spent another year shopping it down the chain and and finally got it published at a non-indexed, though peer-reviewed, journal. https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4087/3/3/31.
From this I think we can conclude that no matter how politically incorrect your result, you can likely publish it in some peer-reviewed journal if it is a sound study. It may take a while and be frustrating. And if you are a young investigator, that may actually make your career very difficult or impossible.
In terms of Covid-19, I think the site Jim mentioned shows that actually there are a lot of published studies showing an effect of ivermectin on treating Covid-19. You can publish them. It is just that when one examines the papers carefully, as was done in the Cochrane review, the randomized controlled trials do not show a case for that use. So I don't think one can argue that it is strongly biased in this case by some malign political motive.
I do understand that for the average person, it is difficult to know who to trust on this. Unless you are an expert, you can't really well judge the quality of the studies. That is why I say lay people should rely on peer-reviewed reviews.
Thus I would not simply blanket say one should disregard properly performed randomized controlled trials. Biomedical science is harder than say the social sciences or probably even climate science.
OTOH, I would not recommend trusting any government employed health official or politician on these subjects. They either have no real training to judge, as in the latter case, or their paycheck literally depends on what the government wants. Note this does not mean that everything such people say is wrong, just that I would verify rather than trust. And if you are a lay person, you essentially have to trust.
In terms of the limitations of these studies. Firstly, I believe a number of them have looked at use outside the hospital and in reasonably early timeframes. I am not aware of any good evidence that earlier use somehow works. Of course, one can always argue that if one had just looked earlier, or in a different dose regime, or with some other agent added, then perhaps that would provide evidence of efficacy. Literally one can always do that. But research resources are limited and need to be focused on the likely productive questions. I think the evidence is strong enough that ivermectin does not work to treat Covid-19 to not bother with further investigation at this point. But if those who strongly believe to the contrary want to privately fund or perform a proper study, I certainly have no objection!
Post by: Rush on August 12, 2023, 02:56:20 PM
Thanks for the kind words.
I have to agree that wokeness has certainly started to infiltrate peer-review. I had a paper on the neural effects of the race of a perceived face. We spent two years getting it through peer-review at the Proceedings at the National Academy of Sciences. At the end of that process it was sent to a new special political correctness review and rejected. We spent another year shopping it down the chain and and finally got it published at a non-indexed, though peer-reviewed, journal. https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4087/3/3/31.
From this I think we can conclude that no matter how politically incorrect your result, you can likely publish it in some peer-reviewed journal if it is a sound study. It may take a while and be frustrating. And if you are a young investigator, that may actually make your career very difficult or impossible.
In terms of Covid-19, I think the site Jim mentioned shows that actually there are a lot of published studies showing an effect of ivermectin on treating Covid-19. You can publish them. It is just that when one examines the papers carefully, as was done in the Cochrane review, the randomized controlled trials do not show a case for that use. So I don't think one can argue that it is strongly biased in this case by some malign political motive.
I do understand that for the average person, it is difficult to know who to trust on this. Unless you are an expert, you can't really well judge the quality of the studies. That is why I say lay people should rely on peer-reviewed reviews.
Thus I would not simply blanket say one should disregard properly performed randomized controlled trials. Biomedical science is harder than say the social sciences or probably even climate science.
OTOH, I would not recommend trusting any government employed health official or politician on these subjects. They either have no real training to judge, as in the latter case, or their paycheck literally depends on what the government wants. Note this does not mean that everything such people say is wrong, just that I would verify rather than trust. And if you are a lay person, you essentially have to trust.
In terms of the limitations of these studies. Firstly, I believe a number of them have looked at use outside the hospital and in reasonably early timeframes. I am not aware of any good evidence that earlier use somehow works. Of course, one can always argue that if one had just looked earlier, or in a different dose regime, or with some other agent added, then perhaps that would provide evidence of efficacy. Literally one can always do that. But research resources are limited and need to be focused on the likely productive questions. I think the evidence is strong enough that ivermectin does not work to treat Covid-19 to not bother with further investigation at this point. But if those who strongly believe to the contrary want to privately fund or perform a proper study, I certainly have no objection!
Oh my God forget ivermectin and Covid, that face study is FASCINATING. I only got half a page into it because o have to go cook dinner but I can’t wait to read the rest.
Post by: Username on August 13, 2023, 08:29:04 AM
I have a large sign in my school office. "Subvert the dominant paradigm". A daily reminder that good research is good research, even if journal editors are idiots. It's right next to another sign "Reject the null hypothesis".
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on August 13, 2023, 10:20:40 AM
I have a large sign in my school office. "Subvert the dominant paradigm". A daily reminder that good research is good research, even if journal editors are idiots. It's right next to another sign "Reject the null hypothesis".
Love the signs! What field are you in?
Post by: Lucifer on August 13, 2023, 10:30:26 AM
Quote
The COVID-19 outbreak among vaccinated people that broke out at a conference held by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was bigger than disclosed, according to files obtained by The Epoch Times.
After the outbreak took place in April, the CDC reported results from surveys sent to attendees.
The CDC said that 181 respondents reported testing positive for COVID-19.
Some 601 attendees who responded to the survey said they did not get tested for COVID-19, the files show, including 34 who reported experiencing COVID-like symptoms, being ill, or both.
The CDC did not respond to a request for comment.
Vaccinated Person Went to Emergency Room
In a statement on the outbreak, which only affected vaccinated people, the CDC emphasized that no attendee reported being hospitalized.
"None of the 181 people who reported testing positive were hospitalized," the agency said.
The agency did not mention that one of the vaccinated people suffered such severe symptoms that they went to the emergency room, according to the newly obtained files.
The agency had claimed that, despite the outbreak, the survey results "underline the importance of vaccination for protecting individuals against severe illness and death related to COVID-19."
The CDC has recommended COVID-19 vaccination for virtually all people since late 2020, when the vaccines were first authorized. Some experts have said the risks appear to outweigh the benefits for certain or all populations, a number of doctors have said they themselves will not get booster shots due to lack of clinical trial evidence, and recent data indicate the vaccines don't protect for very long against severe illness.
Took Drugs
The conference took place from April 24 to April 27 at a hotel in Atlanta, Georgia, where the CDC is headquartered. About 1,800 people, including some CDC employees, attended the conference.
CDC officials created a survey and sent it to attendees for details on a COVID-19 outbreak that developed during the conference. More than 80 percent, or 1,443 attendees, responded.
All but eight people said they had received a COVID-19 vaccine.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 13, 2023, 10:39:05 AM
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true."
Niels Bohr
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on August 13, 2023, 12:54:30 PM
how abou this one:I believe the actual quote is
"Your theory is crazy, but it's not crazy enough to be true."
Niels Bohr
“We are all agreed that your theory is crazy. The question which divides us is whether it is crazy enough to have a chance of being correct. My own feeling is that it is not crazy enough.”
Not quite sure how that applies here …
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 13, 2023, 01:15:27 PM
probably should have quoted the post...
Post by: Rush on August 13, 2023, 01:37:22 PM
it was in reference to usernames "I have a large sign in my school office. "Subvert the dominant paradigm". A daily reminder that good research is good research, even if journal editors are idiots. It's right next to another sign "Reject the null hypothesis". "
probably should have quoted the post...
"Subvert the dominant paradigm" must have come from somebody that read "The Structure of Scientific Revolution".
For those of you who haven't read it, in a nutshell it is this: The idea that science builds on knowledge from the past in an orderly, ever expanding fashion is wrong. In reality science tends to arrive at certain "truths", get invested in it, ossify, and then along comes something completely different to overthrow it which brings about an entirely new understanding. Those first coming up with the new paradigm are of course persecuted. Turns out scientists aren't as open minded as they credit themselves to be. Except for rare forward thinking geniuses.
Post by: Username on August 13, 2023, 01:57:19 PM
Love the signs! What field are you in?Started out with a BS in computer science. Worked in the real world for a while then went back for an MS and PhD in information systems. Now doing Analytics and Artificial Intelligence
Post by: Username on August 13, 2023, 01:59:07 PM
"Subvert the dominant paradigm" must have come from somebody that read "The Structure of Scientific Revolution".Yep. That book has a place of honor on my bookshelf. Right next to "Women, Fire, and Dangerous Things".
Post by: Lucifer on August 13, 2023, 02:00:28 PM
Now doing Analytics and Artificial Intelligence
You analyze politicians?
Post by: Rush on August 13, 2023, 02:16:52 PM
Started out with a BS in computer science. Worked in the real world for a while then went back for an MS and PhD in information systems. Now doing Analytics and Artificial Intelligence
Oh dear. AI? So tell me, is AI this extremely dangerous threat that’s going to take over humanity and kill us all? Or is that just fearmongering from people who want the government to own it and control it from the get go?
If it’s this big existential threat should we let government regulate it?
Or should we resist that and let any old body develop it? And if so does that mean China will abuse it and take over the world?
Should we let the U.S. government control it so China doesn’t?
I don’t even really know what the hell it is. What exactly is the difference between AI and regular computers, which already seem too sentient for my taste?
Post by: Username on August 13, 2023, 02:28:39 PM
You analyze politicians?Not quite. There's a difference between artificial intelligence and native stupidity. One can improve your life. The other is a politician.
Post by: Username on August 13, 2023, 02:48:57 PM
Oh dear. AI? So tell me, is AI this extremely dangerous threat that’s going to take over humanity and kill us all? Or is that just fearmongering from people who want the government to own it and control it from the get go?Short answer, no. The state of the art of AI right now is of a relatively stupid person who can usually follow instructions correctly. But also has a huge memory for trivia. Anything that AI can do, you can find some person to do it. They may be slower, but they will get the job done just the same.
If it’s this big existential threat should we let government regulate it?
Or should we resist that and let any old body develop it? And if so does that mean China will abuse it and take over the world?
Should we let the U.S. government control it so China doesn’t?
I don’t even really know what the hell it is. What exactly is the difference between AI and regular computers, which already seem too sentient for my taste?
It's fearmongering by those who want to keep the technology for themselves. Kind of like guns. "Guns will kill us all so you don't get them. But I will continue to have them around me to protect me."
There is no way to regulate AI. You can have some guidelines and ethics for commercial AI, but you can't regulate the development of AI any more than you can regulate the development of an application for your phone.
There's a lot out there that's labeled AI that really isn't. The best example is "if / then / else". Or something like:
Input "What is your name?" A$
Output "Hello " A$ "how are you today?"
input F$
If f$ = "Good" then output "I'm happy to hear that"
if f$ = "bad" then output "I'm sorry to hear that"
else output "Can you be more specific?"
There you go. AI. All the self driving car does is take input from a buttload of sensors and based on that, make a decision to do this or do that. But I'd hire a driver before I'd trust my life to a self-driving car.
In a very short while, what we think of as AI today will become just the way we do things and will be nothing special. At that time, the definition of truly "intelligent"AI will shift to something out there a little farther. Today the really big deal is in natural language processing and image recognition. Very cool to see that compared to where we were just a few years ago. But still, no great whoop. The biggest danger, in my opinion, is with analytics where massive amounts of data can be combined into a very complete picture of each of us. We've only survived this long since each data owner wants to keep it for themselves and not share. The government is now forcing data sharing. No way to regulate that, either.
The stuff I'm doing with AI is super cool. But it will probably never be a threat to humanity since no one has come back from the future to stop me.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 13, 2023, 02:57:05 PM
all sorts of possible responses...
Post by: Anthony on August 13, 2023, 04:20:40 PM
Post by: Rush on August 13, 2023, 04:56:42 PM
Short answer, no. The state of the art of AI right now is of a relatively stupid person who can usually follow instructions correctly. But also has a huge memory for trivia. Anything that AI can do, you can find some person to do it. They may be slower, but they will get the job done just the same.
It's fearmongering by those who want to keep the technology for themselves. Kind of like guns. "Guns will kill us all so you don't get them. But I will continue to have them around me to protect me."
There is no way to regulate AI. You can have some guidelines and ethics for commercial AI, but you can't regulate the development of AI any more than you can regulate the development of an application for your phone.
There's a lot out there that's labeled AI that really isn't. The best example is "if / then / else". Or something like:
Input "What is your name?" A$
Output "Hello " A$ "how are you today?"
input F$
If f$ = "Good" then output "I'm happy to hear that"
if f$ = "bad" then output "I'm sorry to hear that"
else output "Can you be more specific?"
There you go. AI. All the self driving car does is take input from a buttload of sensors and based on that, make a decision to do this or do that. But I'd hire a driver before I'd trust my life to a self-driving car.
In a very short while, what we think of as AI today will become just the way we do things and will be nothing special. At that time, the definition of truly "intelligent"AI will shift to something out there a little farther. Today the really big deal is in natural language processing and image recognition. Very cool to see that compared to where we were just a few years ago. But still, no great whoop. The biggest danger, in my opinion, is with analytics where massive amounts of data can be combined into a very complete picture of each of us. We've only survived this long since each data owner wants to keep it for themselves and not share. The government is now forcing data sharing. No way to regulate that, either.
The stuff I'm doing with AI is super cool. But it will probably never be a threat to humanity since no one has come back from the future to stop me.
I agree the massive amount of data on each of us and the government collecting it is a very bad thing.
Thanks for the education!
Post by: Lucifer on August 14, 2023, 06:57:04 AM
Quote
Dr. Tony Fauci:
** Lied about the origins of the COVID19 virus
** Lied about funding the Wuhan lab that created the COVID19 virus
** Lied about gain of function testing at the Wuhan lab
** Lied about the effectiveness of hydroxycholoquine in treating the COVID19 virus – in preference of vaccines
** Lied about the effectiveness of Ivermectin in treating the COVID19 virus – in preference of vaccines
** Lied about the effectiveness of the vaccines in protecting individuals from COVID19
** Lied about the effectiveness of the vaccines in preventing the spread of the COVID 19
** Lied about the dangers of the COVID19 vaccines to children
** Lied about the dangers of the COVID19 vaccines to healthy adults.
** Lied about making money off of the vaccines.
For innocent Americans it has been years of Dr. Fauci’s lies on top of lies.
And now that Fauci and his cohort Dr. Collins were cashing in.
Your kid may have myocarditis – but Tony Fauci was making the big bucks!
Via Collin Rugg.
REPORT: Top COVID 'experts' including Dr. Anthony Fauci and former NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins cashed in on $325 million through royalty checks from the COVID-19 pandemic.
Is it starting to make sense?
Over 1,500 pages of unredacted records have been released by… pic.twitter.com/eZZF1fXLk4
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) August 13, 2023
NTD reported:
The National Institute of Health (NIH) received approximately $325 million in royalty payments over a 12-year span from pharmaceutical companies and research organizations, according to new documents obtained by nonprofit government transparency organization Open The Books.
Open The Books received records detailing more than 56,000 royalty payments to NIH members Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) between 2009 and 2021.
The government watchdog organization has been seeking these NIH royalty payment records for nearly two years, as part of a series of FOIA requests. The NIH has fought the document disclosure requests and these documents came through new productions in a Washington D.C. federal court case (pdf).
Last year, Open The Books estimated the NIH received as much as $350 million in royalty payments between 2009 and 2020. The organization revised that figure downward as the NIH provided new details about its royalty payments…
…Among the recipients of royalty payments between 2009 and 2020 were then-NIH Director Francis Collins and then-National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) Director Anthony Fauci. NIAID is an NIH component.
The records include 37 royalty payments entries to Dr. Fauci from Ancell Corporation, Chiron Corporation, and Santa Cruz Biotechnology Inc.
There were 21 entries for Mr. Collins, from GeneDx, Inc., IONIS, ISIS Pharmaceuticals, Inc., the Progeria Research Foundation, and Specialty Laboratories, Inc.
Post by: Lucifer on August 15, 2023, 10:34:00 AM
Post by: Username on August 21, 2023, 07:29:28 AM
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-administration-urge-americans-get-new-covid-19-boosters-2023-08-20/
Post by: Lucifer on August 21, 2023, 07:33:02 AM
Panic! A new variant of Covid! Get your booster! Pharma stock prices are down!
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-administration-urge-americans-get-new-covid-19-boosters-2023-08-20/
The admin is quietly getting agencies such as the TSA ready to implement new masking requirements.
Funny thing, the regime is also pushing all federal agencies to return to the workplace (no more work from home). It will be fun to watch them justify having everyone at work while implementing masking and that stupid social distancing nonsense.
What a clusterfuck.
Post by: nddons on August 21, 2023, 12:49:14 PM
The admin is quietly getting agencies such as the TSA ready to implement new masking requirements.I may be heading to Las Vegas for work in October. I looked to see if Nellis AFB has a museum, and they do, but their website says:
Funny thing, the regime is also pushing all federal agencies to return to the workplace (no more work from home). It will be fun to watch them justify having everyone at work while implementing masking and that stupid social distancing nonsense.
What a clusterfuck.
“Due to health protection measures in place, we are currently open at a limited capacity.”
Are you fucking kidding me? What world are they living in?
If I have to wear a mask, then fuck that.
Post by: Lucifer on August 21, 2023, 12:57:07 PM
I may be heading to Las Vegas for work in October. I looked to see if Nellis AFB has a museum, and they do, but their website says:
“Due to health protection measures in place, we are currently open at a limited capacity.”
Are you fucking kidding me? What world are they living in?
If I have to wear a mask, then fuck that.
Mask have been proven to be ineffective. "Social distancing" has also been debunked.
But Pfizer and Moderna have been crying they aren't making their record profits, and are demanding another round of vaccine tyranny, at the taxpayers expense of course. Pope Tony also needs some more royalty checks as well.
Post by: Anthony on August 21, 2023, 03:24:38 PM
I may be heading to Las Vegas for work in October. I looked to see if Nellis AFB has a museum, and they do, but their website says:
“Due to health protection measures in place, we are currently open at a limited capacity.”
Are you fucking kidding me? What world are they living in?
If I have to wear a mask, then fuck that.
It's media, Government and education driven mass psychosis.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 22, 2023, 05:12:23 AM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=3652)
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2023, 05:33:05 AM
It's starting. I have a friend that is a sign language interpreter. She will also be teaching an evening class at UGA for signing. She is not vaxxed and does not intent to be. She messaged this pic to me and said if this spreads I might get fired before I get to teach.
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=3652)
“Over the next 14 days……”
Who the fuck do they think they are kidding?
Post by: Rush on August 22, 2023, 05:40:49 AM
Post by: Number7 on August 22, 2023, 07:29:26 AM
Yeah the two week part is a lie.
If those fuckwads are talking, everything they say is a lie.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 22, 2023, 08:10:03 AM
Post by: Username on August 22, 2023, 08:23:14 AM
Two weeks to stop the spread of government!
https://www.whitehouse.gov/covidplan/
Quote
We look to a future when Americans no longer fear lockdowns, shutdowns, and our kids not going to school. It’s a future when the country relies on the powerful layers of protection we have built and invests in the next generation of tools to stay ahead of this virus.
Post by: Number7 on August 22, 2023, 09:12:24 AM
You will not fear lockdowns, shutdowns, and school closings. You will not fear them because they are constant and normal. You will have powerful layers of government to force you to comply. The next generation of surveillance tools will ensure your compliance. We will deploy the next generation of the virus just ahead of each election cycle.
Two weeks to stop the spread of government!
https://www.whitehouse.gov/covidplan/
Those are plans mikey and petey can get behind!!!
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 22, 2023, 11:19:55 AM
Post by: Rush on August 22, 2023, 11:27:01 AM
https://www.howbadismybatch.com/?fbclid=IwAR1tLaetCDahCqEZEhzRvVCcITD-jK0qCBPCiIAFmjPDlQnCzc64xi0IK0c
All cause mortality is really what you need to know, not how effective a vaccine is at preventing a specific disease.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 22, 2023, 01:24:49 PM
It's starting. I have a friend that is a sign language interpreter. She will also be teaching an evening class at UGA for signing. She is not vaxxed and does not intent to be. She messaged this pic to me and said if this spreads I might get fired before I get to teach.
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=3652)
In an earlier generation being told what to do would result in sit-ins and maybe riots, certainly no one would be going to classes. Now we have sheep that hide under their desks.
Post by: Little Joe on August 22, 2023, 03:49:26 PM
In an earlier generation being told what to do would result in sit-ins and maybe riots, certainly no one would be going to classes. Now we have sheep that hide under their desks.I'm not sure how old you are, but most people my age remember hiding under our desks. But that was important. Those desks would have protected us from a nuclear holocaust.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 22, 2023, 03:53:23 PM
You will not fear lockdowns, shutdowns, and school closings. You will not fear them because they are constant and normal. You will have powerful layers of government to force you to comply. The next generation of surveillance tools will ensure your compliance. We will deploy the next generation of the virus just ahead of each election cycle.
Two weeks to stop the spread of government!
https://www.whitehouse.gov/covidplan/
I skimmed it. There is a tiny bit of admittance that masks don't work and they aren't going to harp on that as much. Otherwise they plan to be more organized doing what they did last time. The reality is that the most damaging of the authoritarian dictates happened at the state level - the Feds dictated where they could but did a lot to supply the states with justifications and excuses for the actions they took.
Their plans depend on people following the "advise" of the government and clearly oblivious to the huge credibility hit they took among a large portion of the populace.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 05:33:18 PM
I skimmed it. There is a tiny bit of admittance that masks don't work and they aren't going to harp on that as much. Otherwise they plan to be more organized doing what they did last time. The reality is that the most damaging of the authoritarian dictates happened at the state level - the Feds dictated where they could but did a lot to supply the states with justifications and excuses for the actions they took.And Trump gave Fauci carte blanche to completely dictate FedGov’s policies and recommendations, which the state and local health tyrants took as law, and followed them as such.
Their plans depend on people following the "advise" of the government and clearly oblivious to the huge credibility hit they took among a large portion of the populace.
Trump turned this monster loose.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 22, 2023, 05:38:46 PM
And Trump gave Fauci carte blanche to completely dictate FedGov’s policies and recommendations, which the state and local health tyrants took as law, and followed them as such.
Trump turned this monster loose.
Has President Trump admitted that he screwed the pooch wrt the covid response?
Post by: Little Joe on August 22, 2023, 06:14:30 PM
Has President Trump admitted that he screwed the pooch wrtLoLthe covid responseANYTHING?
Never has happened.
Never will happen.
But he will blame someone else and throw them under the bus.
Post by: Number7 on August 22, 2023, 06:18:59 PM
And Trump gave Fauci carte blanche to completely dictate FedGov’s policies and recommendations, which the state and local health tyrants took as law, and followed them as such.
Trump turned this monster loose.
If you had a dick instead of a vagina we could blame your behavior on pms.
You and mikey seem to really suffer tds.
I still suspect that midol is the best thing for your condition.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 06:31:01 PM
If you had a dick instead of a vagina we could blame your behavior on pms.Can you dispute anything I said about Trump vis a vis Fauche, or are you the “listless vessel” that DeSantis was talking about?
You and mikey seem to really suffer tds.
I still suspect that midol is the best thing for your condition.
And your obsession with dicks is starting to concern me. Are you coming out?
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 22, 2023, 06:36:05 PM
Has President Trump admitted that he screwed the pooch wrt the covid response?Like many people, Trump is acting against character the rare times he admits to being wrong. It appears clear that Trump did not act on whatever misgivings he had when it could have mattered. Here's one right-wing criticism of his actions as president during the Covid pandemic:
https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/18/trump-doesnt-deserve-a-second-term-for-how-he-mismanaged-covid/ (https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/18/trump-doesnt-deserve-a-second-term-for-how-he-mismanaged-covid/)
Post by: Number7 on August 22, 2023, 06:43:38 PM
Can you dispute anything I said about Trump vis a vis Fauche, or are you the “listless vessel” that DeSantis was talking about?
And your obsession with dicks is starting to concern me. Are you coming out?
Your need to change the topic whenever your tds obsession is discussed is a sign of an unhealthy mind.
Maybe you need to see your gynecologist and make sure everything is in good shape.
Seriously, though, I have called you out as a pussy since you went viral with your tds. Every time you shift the topic, rather than deal with it. If anyone has a gender insecurity, it’s you.
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2023, 06:43:54 PM
But standby, scamdemic V2.0 is in the works. And knowing the regime, they’ll make sure Trump gets blamed.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 22, 2023, 07:06:05 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 22, 2023, 07:37:13 PM
Just curious which states did Trump shut down? What executive power did he use to do so?Trump was allegedly inconsistent on what he thought he had the power to do, according to this article: Did Donald Trump tell governors to close states during the pandemic? The answer is complicated (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/apr/03/jared-moskowitz/did-donald-trump-tell-governors-close-states-durin/)
One may claim he has learned from his mistakes and wont make them again, which is certainly possible. He or any other Republican would be immensely better than Biden or another Democrat, but current betting odds have him the least electable of the top three GOP contenders:
https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityGOP.html (https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityGOP.html)
Post by: Number7 on August 22, 2023, 08:00:35 PM
You can argue all this, but the bottom line is the democrat communist in conjunction with the Republican establishment ran the scamdemic. And we all got fucked.
But standby, scamdemic V2.0 is in the works. And knowing the regime, they’ll make sure Trump gets blamed.
And little joe will be right up there raining that bell.
Post by: Number7 on August 22, 2023, 08:01:15 PM
Trump was allegedly inconsistent on what he thought he had the power to do, according to this article: Did Donald Trump tell governors to close states during the pandemic? The answer is complicated (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/apr/03/jared-moskowitz/did-donald-trump-tell-governors-close-states-durin/)
One may claim he has learned from his mistakes and wont make them again, which is certainly possible. He or any other Republican would be immensely better than Biden or another Democrat, but current betting odds have him the least electable of the top three GOP contenders:
https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityGOP.html (https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityGOP.html)
Hahahahahahaha..
That is such wishful thinking on your part and their’s.
Post by: nddons on August 22, 2023, 08:08:31 PM
Like many people, Trump is acting against character the rare times he admits to being wrong. It appears clear that Trump did not act on whatever misgivings he had when it could have mattered. Here's one right-wing criticism of his actions as president during the Covid pandemic:I agree completely with that article. It’s sad more people can’t acknowledge it.
https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/18/trump-doesnt-deserve-a-second-term-for-how-he-mismanaged-covid/ (https://thefederalist.com/2023/08/18/trump-doesnt-deserve-a-second-term-for-how-he-mismanaged-covid/)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 22, 2023, 08:12:09 PM
You can argue all this, but the bottom line is the democrat communist in conjunction with the Republican establishment ran the scamdemic. And we all got fucked.Well, it was a trial run in 2020. They know people woke up and are not going to wear masks or get vaccinated with the worthless serum. So what’s the plan? Release a truly deadly virus and have a vaccine that actually works standing by so only those who still trust the government will survive?
But standby, scamdemic V2.0 is in the works. And knowing the regime, they’ll make sure Trump gets blamed.
Post by: Lucifer on August 22, 2023, 08:17:50 PM
Well, it was a trial run in 2020. They know people woke up and are not going to wear masks or get vaccinated with the worthless serum. So what’s the plan? Release a truly deadly virus and have a vaccine that actually works standing by so only those who still trust the government will survive?
Dunno.
I think when the scamdemic started, they never imagined just how well it would work. They brought the country to its knees, they seized power by stealing an election, and we witnessed the greatest transfer of wealth in history.
The control they had was irresistible. Lock downs, masking, forced medical procedures, suspending laws they didn’t like, etc. You can watch and listen, and just tell they want more.
Post by: Anthony on August 23, 2023, 03:40:18 AM
And Trump gave Fauci carte blanche to completely dictate FedGov’s policies and recommendations, which the state and local health tyrants took as law, and followed them as such.
Trump turned this monster loose.
He had no choice.
Post by: Anthony on August 23, 2023, 03:42:41 AM
Well, it was a trial run in 2020. They know people woke up and are not going to wear masks or get vaccinated with the worthless serum. So what’s the plan? Release a truly deadly virus and have a vaccine that actually works standing by so only those who still trust the government will survive?
I wouldn't put it past them to do just that. We are truly through the looking glass at this point. Everything nefarious is on the table at arms reach for the Globalist Fascists that are in control of the U.S. territory.
Post by: Rush on August 23, 2023, 03:44:47 AM
And Trump gave Fauci carte blanche to completely dictate FedGov’s policies and recommendations, which the state and local health tyrants took as law, and followed them as such.
Trump turned this monster loose.
Armchair quarterbacking. Remember the context at the time. The disease as far as we knew had a high death rate. Fauci, Birx and the CDC were supposedly unbiased medical experts and anyone would have thought the appropriate people to tap for advice. By the time he realized Fauci had lied and it wasn’t going to be just two weeks to flatten the curve, and that it was a big mistake to trust him, it was too late. He couldn’t put the Genie back in the bottle. If you believe anyone else, R or D, who had been president at the time would have acted differently I have a bridge to sell you.
But what if he had balked from the start and fought the lockdowns and masking and school closings? He would have been held personally responsible for every death, impeached and removed from office. He was in a lose-lose position.
Post by: Little Joe on August 23, 2023, 03:47:13 AM
And little joe will be right up there raining that bell.Right. I love raining bells.
Thanks for proving that you are a senile idiot.
But of course, everyone already knows that. :)
Post by: Little Joe on August 23, 2023, 03:48:28 AM
He would have been held personally responsible for every death, impeached and removed from office. He was in a lose-lose position.Exactly the same as he will be again if re-elected.
Post by: Anthony on August 23, 2023, 03:48:38 AM
Armchair quarterbacking. Remember the context at the time. The disease as far as we knew had a high death rate. Fauci, Birx and the CDC were supposedly unbiased medical experts and anyone would have thought the appropriate people to tap for advice. By the time he realized Fauci had lied and it wasn’t going to be just two weeks to flatten the curve, and that it was a big mistake to trust him, it was too late. He couldn’t put the Genie back in the bottle. If you believe anyone else, R or D, who had been president at the time would have acted differently I have a bridge to sell you.
But what if he had balked from the start and fought the lockdowns and masking and school closings? He would have been held personally responsible for every death, impeached and removed from office. He was in a lose-lose position.
Exactly what I said but in four words. ;D :D ;D
Post by: Rush on August 23, 2023, 04:38:23 AM
Exactly what I said but in four words. ;D :D ;D
But I backed it up with yammering. ;D
Post by: Little Joe on August 23, 2023, 04:40:57 AM
Exactly what I said but in four words. ;D :D ;DThey were both just typical political spin. Your four words were just easier to see through.
Post by: Rush on August 23, 2023, 04:56:26 AM
They were both just typical political spin. Your four words were just easier to see through.
Political spin? What exactly did I say that wasn’t true?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 23, 2023, 05:15:47 AM
Political spin? What exactly did I say that wasn’t true?You were spot on. We’re now in a situation where to Stan and Joe any objective look at President Trump is bias, blind devotion, or spin. Possibly all three.
Post by: nddons on August 23, 2023, 05:28:46 AM
You were spot on. We’re now in a situation where to Stan and Joe any objective look at President Trump is bias, blind devotion, or spin. Possibly all three.I asked 7 and I’ll ask you - what did I say that wasn’t true? I’m the one taking an objective look at Trump. When “loyalty” is the first goal in support of Trump, then objectivity is out the window.
Don’t forget that I was a Trump cheerleader too, from post-convention 2016 through the 2020 election. I’m now taking a critical, objective look, and I see some of the flaws that I think will prevent him from winning. End of story.
Post by: Old Crow on August 23, 2023, 05:59:10 AM
COVID-19 Mask Mandates Returning to Some Hospitals, Offices
There are reports circulating that colleges, hospitals, and some officials have started to re-implement COVID-19 mask mandates, although hospitalizations still remain relatively low.
Atlanta's Morris Brown College announced on social media this week that it is re-implementing its mask mandate over what it said was an increase in positive COVID-19 cases among students at the Atlanta University Center. The college also said it would mandate isolation and quarantine regimens under Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines as well as contact tracing.
"All students and employees are required to wear face masks (staff may remove in their offices while alone)," the announcement said.
The college also told students to maintain "physical distancing" and said there will be no large student gatherings or parties for the next two weeks. It will also mandate students and employees to get their temperatures checked when they arrive at the campus.
Morris Brown President Kevin James told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution that the college received no reports of COVID-19 cases on its own campus and described the steps as "precautionary measures." The Atlanta University Center has several black colleges, including Morehouse and Spelman Colleges and Clark Atlanta University.
Hundreds of miles to the north, Auburn Community Hospital in Upstate New York re-implemented its mask mandate, coming about a month after the policy was officially ended, according to local reports. The hospital said that all staff, visitors, and patients have to wear masks in clinical areas.
In the Syracuse area, Upstate Medical’s two hospitals, University and Community General, also reimposed masking last week after reporting what it said was an increase in COVID-19 cases. COVID-19 testing will also be mandated for patients being admitted to hospitals.
“Effective immediately, mandatory masking is required by all staff, visitors, and patients in clinical areas of Upstate University Hospital, Upstate Community Hospital, and ambulatory clinical spaces,” the company said. “Clinical areas are defined as any location patients gather, wait, transport through, or receive care. Masking is strongly recommended in all non-clinical areas.”
According to CDC data, New York has seen a 3 percent increase in COVID-19 hospitalizations in the end ending Aug. 5.
In Southern California, there were reports that major Hollywood studio Lionsgate brought back its mask mandate. A memo that was obtained by Deadline Hollywood, written by a Lionsgate manager, announced the policy after several of its employees tested positive.
“Employees must wear a medical grade face covering (surgical mask, KN95 or N95) when indoors except when alone in an office with the door closed, actively eating, actively drinking at their desk or workstation, or if they are the only individual present in a large open workspace,” Sommer McElroy, of Lionsgate, wrote in the memo.
The memo stipulates that only certain floors of Lionsgate's office in Santa Monica will be under the mandate. It will be effect until further notice for only the third and fifth floors of the five-story building, according to the memo. It's not clear why the other floors won't be mandated to wear masks.
The studio said it would provide at-home testing kits to staff in the Lionsgate Santa Monica office. It also said that masks and KN95s will be available at the front desk.
The Los Angeles County Department of Public Health recently said that there have been “small increases in COVID-19 indicators over the past four weeks indicating increased transmission." However, the department said that the “overall metrics remain at a low level of concern.”
The Epoch Times has contacted Lionsgate for comment on the memo.
In New Jersey, Rutgers University said it would implement both vaccine and mask mandates for students attending class during the fall semester.
Mask Mandates Coming Back?
In response to the reports of mandates coming back in some locations, speculation has arisen over there may be another widespread push to reimplement masks across the country—namely at the federal level. The Biden administration's nationwide mask order for public transit, commercial flights, and airports and train stations formally expired after the federal public health emergency ended on May 11, although it hadn't been enforced for a year due to a court order in 2022.
The COVID-19 pandemic state of emergency was lifted by both the World Health Organization and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention earlier this year.
On X, the website formerly known as Twitter, some prominent users called on others to not comply with the mandates.
"Mask mandates are returning. These are unsupported by scientific evidence. They are motivated by superstition and power. This is a battle for freedom and truth," wrote Dr. Kevin Bass.
"If they will go back to the utterly failed practice of forced masking at the mere hint of new cases, it means, among other things, they have utter disregard for the human right to contact with other humans. Faces matters. And the freedom to show yours shall not be abridged," wrote Dr. David McCune.
"Americans have had enough COVID hysteria. WE WILL NOT COMPLY," wrote Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) in response to the Lionsgate memo.
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 06:17:34 AM
Exactly the same as he will be again if re-elected.
And exactly what would happen for any R that gets elected. ::)
Post by: Little Joe on August 23, 2023, 06:23:08 AM
And exactly what would happen for any R that gets elected. ::)That is your all purpose rebuttal when you can't think of a good answer.
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 06:43:38 AM
That is your all purpose rebuttal when you can't think of a good answer.
Right. I at least take the time to read and research this stuff to be informed. You run over to TPP to get your information or regurgitate whatever your wife tells you to say.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 23, 2023, 07:13:31 AM
I asked 7 and I’ll ask you - what did I say that wasn’t true? I’m the one taking an objective look at Trump. When “loyalty” is the first goal in support of Trump, then objectivity is out the window.We all think we’re objective, Stan. I didn’t use the word loyalty, you did. I have the feeling that loyalty is important to you, as it should be. Your loyalty has shifted from President Trump and I have read every word you have posted about him. Personally I feel no loyalty to President Trump. I’m grateful for what he has done and what right now I believe he and he alone can do. I don’t think I’m biased, or trying to make him into something he isn’t. Like you, I put faith in no man, but in God. This mess we’re in is bigger and deeper and more tentacled even than I think we have the capacity to comprehend. Our captors will use any means necessary to keep us down. It might surprise you to know that I question events and my perceptions constantly, and consider that DJT could be controlled opposition.
Don’t forget that I was a Trump cheerleader too, from post-convention 2016 through the 2020 election. I’m now taking a critical, objective look, and I see some of the flaws that I think will prevent him from winning. End of story.
As always, opinions vary. I do think we can all agree that polls are used for manipulation and again, saying “winning” about 2024 within plain sight and memory of President Trump’s epic win with the will of the people in 2020, yet the reality of our banana republic clinging desperately to its stolen power at this very moment, sets off yet again the realization that THE 2020 STEAL, not merely a tepid mention of the existence of election fraud, is the issue ANY candidate for President must loudly address. And only one actually is doing that. And being persecuted and hunted down for it.
I was going to say “end of story” here, as you did. But the story still is unfolding. The more unblinkered eyes on it, the better.
Post by: Number7 on August 23, 2023, 07:56:53 AM
That is your all purpose rebuttal when you can't think of a good answer.
If you can pull your head out of your all purpose pussy long enough… tell us about the last Republican
Resident, or nominee that the left did not go after…..
We will wait…
The only one I can think of was Eisenhower but your imagination might tell you otherwise.
Post by: nddons on August 23, 2023, 08:17:26 AM
We all think we’re objective, Stan. I didn’t use the word loyalty, you did. I have the feeling that loyalty is important to you, as it should be. Your loyalty has shifted from President Trump and I have read every word you have posted about him. Personally I feel no loyalty to President Trump. I’m grateful for what he has done and what right now I believe he and he alone can do. I don’t think I’m biased, or trying to make him into something he isn’t. Like you, I put faith in no man, but in God. This mess we’re in is bigger and deeper and more tentacled even than I think we have the capacity to comprehend. Our captors will use any means necessary to keep us down. It might surprise you to know that I question events and my perceptions constantly, and consider that DJT could be controlled opposition.Thanks Becky. I think you, Rush, Joe and I are looking at the same things and are coming up with different opinions. That’s ok!
As always, opinions vary. I do think we can all agree that polls are used for manipulation and again, saying “winning” about 2024 within plain sight and memory of President Trump’s epic win with the will of the people in 2020, yet the reality of our banana republic clinging desperately to its stolen power at this very moment, sets off yet again the realization that THE 2020 STEAL, not merely a tepid mention of the existence of election fraud, is the issue ANY candidate for President must loudly address. And only one actually is doing that. And being persecuted and hunted down for it.
I was going to say “end of story” here, as you did. But the story still is unfolding. The more unblinkered eyes on it, the better.
I try not to be unfair about Trump, but I’ll admit some people get my goat. Hopefully we can be fair about all of our candidates. The country is at stake.
Post by: Anthony on August 23, 2023, 08:36:13 AM
They were both just typical political spin. Your four words were just easier to see through.
He would have been excoriated had he not acted and taken the advice of Fauci and the others in the medical community. You just don't want to believe there was no other alternative. You’re wrong, again. ::)
Post by: nddons on August 23, 2023, 08:44:57 AM
He would have been excoriated had he not acted and taken the advice of Fauci and the others in the medical community. You just don't want to believe there was no other alternative. You’re wrong, again. ::)I’m sorry but I think there was. He could have fired them for governmental overreach, and hired those doctors that early on were saying this was not what it was presented to be. America’s Front Line Doctors and others could have been supported instead of prosecuted.
He could have not given lawsuit immunity to the pharmaceuticals.
He could have SUED states for violating the First Amendment for shuttering churches while leaving liquor stores as essential businesses.
Etc.
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 08:57:07 AM
He would have been excoriated had he not acted and taken the advice of Fauci and the others in the medical community. You just don't want to believe there was no other alternative. You’re wrong, again. ::)
Why I'm old enough to remember watching the news and seeing the "Donald Trump Covid Death's" numbers run 24/7. Over and over we listened to how, somehow, these deaths were his fault.
So imagine being a president, when all of the sudden these so called health experts run into the WH wanting an emergency meeting. Then as president being told "Do something!!! Millions will die!!". Then the experts trot out highly manipulated data, again showing how millions will die.
Last I checked DJT doesn't hold a medical degree. So here are the "experts" backed up with their UniParty supporters screaming death and destruction.
The president could have said "I smell BS, get out of here", or "Let's just let the states handle it", in which he would be excoriated for every actual death or presumed death from covid. The UniParty could have had the ammunition to demand the 25th and remove him because "he's a danger to our democracy!".
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Notice DJT never mandated vaccines, that was FJB. DJT didn't demand people lose their jobs, that was FJB. Also, DJT tried several times to bring down the national response, only to be criticized over and over. Remember his statements about opening back up by Easter? Remember the unending attacks and threats "You'll kill millions!"
Also remember when DJT did bring in other experts? Dr Scott Atlas ring a bell? Remember how Dr Atlas was dragged through the mud and DJT smeared and more "You'll kill millions!" ?
So yes, the republican establishment wants to put all the blame of the covid response on DJT. It's how they operate. They'll never blame GWB for starting two wars over nothing, They'll even look the other way when real actual crimes are committed. And they'll fuck over the citizens with such claims as "We want to end ObamaCare" then balk when they have both houses and the Presidency. Or raise the debt ceiling with dubious legislation no one has read.
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 09:06:50 AM
https://amgreatness.com/2023/08/23/government-funded-science-journal-admits-over-2600-of-its-papers-may-have-exaggerated-claims/
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/secret-letter-cdc-top-epidemiologist-suggests-agency-misrepresented-scientific-data
Post by: Rush on August 23, 2023, 09:12:07 AM
I’m sorry but I think there was. He could have fired them for governmental overreach, and hired those doctors that early on were saying this was not what it was presented to be. America’s Front Line Doctors and others could have been supported instead of prosecuted.
He could have not given lawsuit immunity to the pharmaceuticals.
He could have SUED states for violating the First Amendment for shuttering churches while leaving liquor stores as essential businesses.
Etc.
Geez the only person who might have even thought of doing all that would have been RFK Jr. Nobody else was that suspicious of mainstream medicine at that point. It took a while for the hoax to sink in. Trump did the best he could at the time and what he thought was right at the time with the limited information we had at the time. He didn’t know - NOBODY knew - that the damn vaccine would end up virtually useless against Covid and have bad side effects for youth. You’re a presentist. You’re judging him as if he had back then all the knowledge you now have.
Presentism, noun: Interpreting past phenomena in terms of current beliefs and knowledge.
Post by: Username on August 23, 2023, 09:50:21 AM
Presentism, noun: Interpreting past phenomena in terms of current beliefs and knowledge.If we knew then what we know now we would have droned the lab. Oopsie, sorry. Here's a billion dollars. Cheap at half the price. Or cut off Foochi's gain of function research dollars. I really wonder how much of that is SILL going on? Hey, let's make a super infectious, more lethal, vaccine resistant version of smallpox. And let's do it in China where there are no restrictions on this kind of research. What could possibly go wrong?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 23, 2023, 09:50:38 AM
I’m sorry but I think there was. He could have fired them for governmental overreach, and hired those doctors that early on were saying this was not what it was presented to be. America’s Front Line Doctors and others could have been supported instead of prosecuted.And, he would have been immediately impeached again. The MSM would have been after him relentlessly. In the end, those states with Republican Governors were wise enough to lift the restrictions and get their states moving again.
He could have not given lawsuit immunity to the pharmaceuticals.
He could have SUED states for violating the First Amendment for shuttering churches while leaving liquor stores as essential businesses.
Etc.
Post by: Username on August 23, 2023, 09:52:13 AM
And, he would have been immediately impeached again. The MSM would have been after him relentlessly. In the end, those states with Republican Governors were wise enough to lift the restrictions and get their states moving again.And there you have the difference between D and R. D love the power and crave oppressing the masses. R wants the government out of the way so everyone can succeed on their own merits.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 23, 2023, 09:52:33 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 23, 2023, 10:52:08 AM
Post by: Anthony on August 23, 2023, 11:08:32 AM
I’m sorry but I think there was. He could have fired them for governmental overreach, and hired those doctors that early on were saying this was not what it was presented to be. America’s Front Line Doctors and others could have been supported instead of prosecuted.
He could have not given lawsuit immunity to the pharmaceuticals.
He could have SUED states for violating the First Amendment for shuttering churches while leaving liquor stores as essential businesses.
Etc.
Sounds good with having all the hindsight we do now. Not then, the above could not have been applied then without knowing what we know NOW.
Post by: nddons on August 23, 2023, 11:45:00 AM
Geez the only person who might have even thought of doing all that would have been RFK Jr. Nobody else was that suspicious of mainstream medicine at that point. It took a while for the hoax to sink in. Trump did the best he could at the time and what he thought was right at the time with the limited information we had at the time. He didn’t know - NOBODY knew - that the damn vaccine would end up virtually useless against Covid and have bad side effects for youth. You’re a presentist. You’re judging him as if he had back then all the knowledge you now have.The first governor to push back against Fauci & Company was … Ron DeSantis. He saw something that Trump did not.
Presentism, noun: Interpreting past phenomena in terms of current beliefs and knowledge.
Post by: Username on August 23, 2023, 11:48:52 AM
The first governor to push back against Fauci & Company was … Ron DeSantis. He saw something that Trump did not.Maybe. But he could do something that Trump could not. That is, open and close his state. Trump had no power to do that to any state.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 23, 2023, 11:51:14 AM
The first governor to push back against Fauci & Company was … Ron DeSantis. He saw something that Trump did not.Kristi Noem gets no respect.
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 12:45:19 PM
The TSA whistleblower says the TSA will require mask from mid Sept through Mid Oct, but we all know this is a lie (not the whistleblower)
Once they get those mask back on, they are there till next year.
Post by: jb1842 on August 23, 2023, 01:12:52 PM
I travel extensively, and the thought of having to mask up in an airport or flying on an airline is sickening.
The TSA whistleblower says the TSA will require mask from mid Sept through Mid Oct, but we all know this is a lie (not the whistleblower)
Once they get those mask back on, they are there till next year.
I just asked my brother who works for TSA . He confirmed he's hearing they are going back to masks.
Post by: Username on August 23, 2023, 01:22:27 PM
I just asked my brother who works for TSA . He confirmed he's hearing they are going back to masks.Masks for the TSA agents or masks for the flying public (or both)?
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 01:36:39 PM
Masks for the TSA agents or masks for the flying public (or both)?
Both.
Back to flight attendants playing the mask police.
This is an area where fedgov can play this stupid game. Don't look for the Speaker to actually do anything other than sabre rattle either. If we didn't have so many RINO's in congress, they could actually take the TSA to task and make them stop this nonsense.
Post by: jb1842 on August 23, 2023, 01:37:27 PM
Masks for the TSA agents or masks for the flying public (or both)?
TSA for sure. I would assume the gov will force the flying public to wear them. He's polishing up his covid exemption letter for when they roll out a new vax requirement.
Post by: Username on August 23, 2023, 02:15:56 PM
Post by: Lucifer on August 23, 2023, 02:25:12 PM
Post by: Number7 on August 23, 2023, 04:04:53 PM
I’m sorry but I think there was. He could have fired them for governmental overreach, and hired those doctors that early on were saying this was not what it was presented to be. America’s Front Line Doctors and others could have been supported instead of prosecuted.
He could have not given lawsuit immunity to the pharmaceuticals.
He could have SUED states for violating the First Amendment for shuttering churches while leaving liquor stores as essential businesses.
Etc.
You hate being called out for your pussy-find bullshit, then spout off more.
Your tds is far more boring than my responses but you get your feelings hurt and whine like a little bitch.
Post by: Little Joe on August 23, 2023, 04:36:32 PM
You hate being called out for your pussy-find bullshit, then spout off more.You REALLY need to see a therapist.
Your tds is far more boring than my responses but you get your feelings hurt and whine like a little bitch.
Post by: nddons on August 23, 2023, 06:06:50 PM
You hate being called out for your pussy-find bullshit, then spout off more.You really are an effeminate little man, aren’t you? I’ve never seen a real man who would allow himself to get so worked up reading someone else’s opinions.
Your tds is far more boring than my responses but you get your feelings hurt and whine like a little bitch.
Post by: Number7 on August 23, 2023, 06:47:05 PM
You really are an effeminate little man, aren’t you? I’ve never seen a real man who would allow himself to get so worked up reading someone else’s opinions.
Pot meet kettle, you’re just pathetic.
Try to act like a man instead of all this fucking drama.
And at least try to be a little original sometimes.
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 06:39:52 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 24, 2023, 07:36:33 AM
“What did I tell you? The Establishment Media’s covid variant alarmism has once again saved the day!
According to CNBC, after a week of wall-to-wall scariant coverage, sacrifices to the pagan god Eris, two minor mask mandate announcements, and anonymous officials whispering about plans for new Fall lockdowns and airline mandates, shares of Novavax shot up +13%, Moderna’s stock closed up +9%, BioNTech was up +6%, and even Pfizer’s stock ended around +1% higher.
Here is the logic behind the increases, as reported by CNBC. See if it makes any sense to you:
”So far, there is no evidence that BA.2.86 spreads faster or causes more serious infections than previous versions. But the emergence of BA.2.86 could potentially increase demand for vaccines and treatments that will likely provide some degree of protection against the highly mutated variant.”
Um. There is no evidence of increased risk, but they expect demand to jump anyway. I’ll take a stab at explaining this apparent contradiction: Fear sells vaccines.
(http://)
They can’t leave out the most important customer group: repeat jabbers.”
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2023, 08:41:36 AM
Post by: Number7 on August 24, 2023, 09:09:27 AM
Fuck joe fucking biden, the cdc, fbi, doj, communist democrat party, pussy men afraid to come out from under the desk, and big pharmaceutical.
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2023, 09:15:51 AM
We never fell for the bullshit.
Fuck joe fucking biden, the cdc, fbi, doj, communist democrat party, pussy men afraid to come out from under the desk, and big pharmaceutical.
I only got the first two jabs because I was flying to see my very old mother. I thought if I give her Covid I will have killed her. Back then they were telling us the jabs were effective at stopping transmission.
THEY LIED.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 24, 2023, 09:42:39 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 24, 2023, 01:41:10 PM
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2023, 01:43:04 PM
https://twitter.com/realstewpeters/status/1694413171191074846/mediaviewer?currentTweet=1694413171191074846¤tTweetUser=realstewpeters
It says this page does not exist?
Post by: Little Joe on August 24, 2023, 03:59:33 PM
It says this page does not exist?This is what I see when I click the link:
You’re in control
Ads on X are what keep our service free. To help improve which ones you see, without increasing the number of them, you can let X use information from our partners to better tailor ads to you on X as well as on other websites and apps.
Post by: Rush on August 24, 2023, 04:39:57 PM
Post by: Lucifer on August 25, 2023, 05:37:01 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on August 25, 2023, 06:20:43 AM
He was in a lose-lose position.
and they knew it
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 25, 2023, 07:59:58 AM
With one group of people screaming that covid will kill us all and another group thinking that vaccines are the devil's work, I'm wondering if things will eventually work out.
If covid will kill us all, then the people who get all the jab and mask up (properly, yeah, like that will happen) and social distance and all that nonsense will survive and the vaccine-deniers will die off.
If vaccines will be the death of us, the all the people clamoring for more and more jabs will die off.
I'm reminded of a short sci fi story I read many many many years ago. To summarize, a society has made smoking tobacco products illegal. This society also has the death penalty with an interesting twist, the condemned prisoner gets to choose his method of execution. In the story a condemned man chooses smoking tobacco as his method of execution.
Post by: Anthony on August 25, 2023, 04:46:16 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 25, 2023, 04:49:50 PM
The Covid vaccines weren't traditional vaccines. They interacted with your DNA. Big difference.Is there a cite for that claim?
Post by: Bamaflyer on August 25, 2023, 04:58:08 PM
Post by: Rush on August 25, 2023, 05:20:15 PM
Wife and I got the initial two Moderna shots but no boosters. Kicked my wife’s ass twice, first in Apr 2020 before the vaccines were even out. Kicked her ass last year again. I tested positive too but thankfully I only felt a little fatigue for a day or two. No more. Might not even get a flu shots. Sneaky bastards might sneak the vaccine in with it!
I did an analysis a few years ago, long before Covid, of the flu shots and the CDC. They tweak and obfuscate the data to imply the flu shots are more effective than they actually are. For example, "flu" deaths are exaggerated as they count deaths from "flu-like" illnesses including other viruses and respiratory illnesses that are not influenza. That was just one way they lied. So I didn't trust CDC already back then. Covid has completely trashed any modicum of respect I might have still had for them.
Post by: Number7 on August 25, 2023, 06:02:52 PM
Whatever they were was not legitimately anything related to the stated purpose.
I look for lots of people to start dying when the fucking chinese release the next democrat funded ‘variant.’
And I bet that the vast majority will be the previously vaccinated.
Post by: Number7 on August 25, 2023, 06:06:01 PM
I only got the first two jabs because I was flying to see my very old mother. I thought if I give her Covid I will have killed her. Back then they were telling us the jabs were effective at stopping transmission.
THEY LIED.
In other words, the government scum gave you absolutely no choice, if you were to visit your mother before she passed.
That queer fuck cuomo never even gave New Yorkers even that bit of choice.
Post by: Anthony on August 26, 2023, 03:27:39 AM
Is there a cite for that claim?
I don't have time to do the research right now. The pharmacist I go to told me that. She said the J&J one they pulled was the most traditional and didn't interact with DNA.
Post by: Rush on August 26, 2023, 04:24:52 AM
I don't have time to do the research right now. The pharmacist I go to told me that. She said the J&J one they pulled was the most traditional and didn't interact with DNA.
It's more accurate to say the mRNA vaccines interact with your cells, not the DNA within the nucleus. It delivers instructions to the cell to produce the spike protein.
Can messenger RNA or DNA (as some of the vaxes have) ever integrate into our native DNA? Theoretically yes but that's because any genetic material can potentially take advantage of artifact sequences that used to have the ability to incorporate alien genes, including viruses themselves, but if it happens it is extremely rare and implausible, and again, there would be the same likelihood of the virus itself doing that. We have evolved to the point where our DNA is stable and protected from that sort of thing.
Disclaimer: The above is my interpretation of quick googling. I'm not a geneticist and probably don't know wtf I'm talking about but I suggest neither is your pharmacist.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 26, 2023, 04:53:20 AM
We read about doctors who were alarmed, saying that yes, these vaccines could transfect into the DNA. Of course those doctors were “fringe” and silenced. Alarm bells also went off when open dialogue and varying views from highly qualified people were shut down.
Our daughter the doctor told us with a straight face (I assume so, we were on the phone) that the vaccine “stays in your shoulder.” That somehow seemed impossible. Then our shoulders wouldn’t get Covid? To be fair, she loves us and wanted us to be “safe.” Being right in the middle of medical rotations, she should know, right? We wanted to trust the very latest knowledge and technology, right???
Then jabbed people we knew started getting Covid, and weird cancers, and having strokes, and the rest is history.
The official narrative still today (in a complete reversal from the original “you won’t get Covid if you’re vaxxed) is that you might get Covid but you’ll have a less bad case. What? The virus constantly is mutating to be less virulent. That would seem to be a characteristic of the virus, not a provable effect of the vaccine.
We’re now in the twilight zone of giving credence to something we’re not sure of for preventing something that didn’t happen, while a desperate attempt is made to keep from most people’s ears and eyes any kind of reliable truth. I don’t trust government stats anymore. We all like to say that all-cause mortality is a rock solid stat, but let’s face it, the release of that info to the public could, yes, be narrative-ized for general release and the truth only obtained by people who devote time to digging deeper.
Ultimately we decided not getting the vaccine would keep us safer, a decision we are extremely glad we made.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 26, 2023, 02:58:57 PM
I don't have time to do the research right now. The pharmacist I go to told me that. She said the J&J one they pulled was the most traditional and didn't interact with DNA.Looks like Rush responded to you in post 2826 with a good summary. I just want to expand on her point that a fear of a vaccine side effect, such as interaction with DNA or causing heart problems, must by necessity also be feared of the disease virus. That is because the sequence of RNA in the vaccine comes from the disease virus. The virus RNA codes for 29 different proteins. The vaccine RNA codes for only one of those 29.
So when it was revealed that the vaccine causes heart problems in otherwise healthy people, it would have been the case that if those same healthy people had gotten the disease they would suffered the same heart problems. A person should have had a right to do their best to avoid both the disease and the vaccine, but authoritarians did their best to deny them their right to that choice. It has never mattered how effective or safe a medical treatment may be, the choice to employ it should never be dictated by others.
Post by: Anthony on August 26, 2023, 03:19:16 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 26, 2023, 04:10:15 PM
Looks like Rush responded to you in post 2826 with a good summary. I just want to expand on her point that a fear of a vaccine side effect, such as interaction with DNA or causing heart problems, must by necessity also be feared of the disease virus. That is because the sequence of RNA in the vaccine comes from the disease virus. The virus RNA codes for 29 different proteins. The vaccine RNA codes for only one of those 29.So what did it mean when so many vaccinated people got the disease? Besides of course that the vaccines didn’t work.
So when it was revealed that the vaccine causes heart problems in otherwise healthy people, it would have been the case that if those same healthy people had gotten the disease they would suffered the same heart problems. A person should have had a right to do their best to avoid both the disease and the vaccine, but authoritarians did their best to deny them their right to that choice. It has never mattered how effective or safe a medical treatment may be, the choice to employ it should never be dictated by others.
As it turns out, the risk from the disease Covid seems to have been less than the risk from the vaccines. People have figured this out now, and vaccine uptake has plummeted. Almost every person I know who was vaccinated for Covid ended up getting Covid. Not one of them had heart problems from Covid. And almost every one of them has said they will not keep getting the vaccines. They reached this conclusion from observing that the vaccines did not prevent the disease.
As well, vaccines contain many ingredients that contribute to the risk of taking them. My doctor daughter even said she could understand not wanting those substances in our bodies. Receiving vaccines causes a huge jolt to the immune system and it can take weeks to recover. By that time an opportunistic disease like cancer or shingles can strike.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 26, 2023, 05:28:04 PM
...Almost every person I know who was vaccinated for Covid ended up getting Covid. Not one of them had heart problems from Covid.
count me as a vaccinated person that tested positive for covid (a week before my 2nd booster jab was schedule). As I said at the time, if the common cold was so mild, the companies making cold remedies would go broke.
And, nope, no discernible heart problems.
Post by: nddons on August 26, 2023, 07:43:30 PM
So what did it mean when so many vaccinated people got the disease? Besides of course that the vaccines didn’t work.That is a frightening last two sentences.
As it turns out, the risk from the disease Covid seems to have been less than the risk from the vaccines. People have figured this out now, and vaccine uptake has plummeted. Almost every person I know who was vaccinated for Covid ended up getting Covid. Not one of them had heart problems from Covid. And almost every one of them has said they will not keep getting the vaccines. They reached this conclusion from observing that the vaccines did not prevent the disease.
As well, vaccines contain many ingredients that contribute to the risk of taking them. My doctor daughter even said she could understand not wanting those substances in our bodies. Receiving vaccines causes a huge jolt to the immune system and it can take weeks to recover. By that time an opportunistic disease like cancer or shingles can strike.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Post by: Lucifer on August 26, 2023, 08:02:56 PM
So what did it mean when so many vaccinated people got the disease? Besides of course that the vaccines didn’t work.
As it turns out, the risk from the disease Covid seems to have been less than the risk from the vaccines. People have figured this out now, and vaccine uptake has plummeted. Almost every person I know who was vaccinated for Covid ended up getting Covid. Not one of them had heart problems from Covid. And almost every one of them has said they will not keep getting the vaccines. They reached this conclusion from observing that the vaccines did not prevent the disease.
As well, vaccines contain many ingredients that contribute to the risk of taking them. My doctor daughter even said she could understand not wanting those substances in our bodies. Receiving vaccines causes a huge jolt to the immune system and it can take weeks to recover. By that time an opportunistic disease like cancer or shingles can strike.
"Safe and Effective"
Post by: Number7 on August 26, 2023, 08:11:59 PM
"Safe and Effective"
I expect tens of thousands of vaccinated Americans people to die due to scam vaccine when the new chinese variant paid for with our tax dollars hits the world, just as the corrupt biden regime and their communist chinese masters intend.
Liking my new forum photo.
The fucking communist cunt fani willis has no idea how she is helping President Trump kick biden’s pedophile ass.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 26, 2023, 08:47:18 PM
So what did it mean when so many vaccinated people got the disease? Besides of course that the vaccines didn’t work.The comparative death rates from around the world show that while vaccinated people may have got the disease, they died at lower death rates.
Quote
As it turns out, the risk from the disease Covid seems to have been less than the risk from the vaccines.I dispute such a claim and have posted many studies that contradict that claim. It doesn't make any biological sense (to me) given the huge difference between the simple vaccine and the much more complex and replicating virus. Got any cites to back that claim up?
Quote
As well, vaccines contain many ingredients that contribute to the risk of taking them. My doctor daughter even said she could understand not wanting those substances in our bodies. Receiving vaccines causes a huge jolt to the immune system and it can take weeks to recover. By that time an opportunistic disease like cancer or shingles can strike.These are the complete ingredients of the Pfizer mRNA vaccine:
* mRNA {Codes for only one of the 29 viral proteins.}
* Lipids (including ((4-hydroxybutyl)azanediyl)bis(hexane-6,1-diyl)bis(2-hexyldecanoate), 2 [(polyethylene glycol)-2000]-N,N-ditetradecylacetamide, 1,2-Distearoyl-sn-glycero-3- phosphocholine, and cholesterol) {Basically just fats.}
* Potassium chloride {A salt that is an alternative to common table salt.}
* Monobasic potassium phosphate {A common food additive.}
* Sodium chloride {Table salt.}
* Dibasic sodium phosphate dihydrate {Another food additive.}
* Sucrose {Sugar}
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 26, 2023, 08:58:22 PM
Biden plans to ask Congress for funding to develop new COVID vaccine, may require shot for all (https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-plans-ask-congress-funding-003513892.html)
Another power he doesn't have that he intends to use anyway. Even the Chinese weren't able to accomplish such a grand authoritarian goal.
Post by: Little Joe on August 27, 2023, 04:02:06 AM
So what did it mean when so many vaccinated people got the disease? Besides of course that the vaccines didn’t work.Perhaps the ones that got Covid died instead of just getting heart disease.
As it turns out, the risk from the disease Covid seems to have been less than the risk from the vaccines.
Quote
People have figured this out now, and vaccine uptake has plummeted. Almost every person I know who was vaccinated for Covid ended up getting Covid. Not one of them had heart problems from Covid.If they had both, how do you know it was the jab that gave them heart disease instead of the disease?
Quote
And almost every one of them has said they will not keep getting the vaccines. They reached this conclusion from observing that the vaccines did not prevent the disease.Well, they did live long enough to get the disease. That might have been better than the alternative.
Quote
My doctor daughter even said she could understand not wanting those substances in our bodies. Receiving vaccines causes a huge jolt to the immune system and it can take weeks to recover. By that time an opportunistic disease like cancer or shingles can strike.There is that, but again, weigh the risks of getting those diseases vs the risk of death. That decision can be influenced by age, co-comorbidities and even political opinions.
I know an awful lot of people that got the jab, then got the disease and try to claim that the jab was worse than the disease. But those people cannot logically say that because the disease may have been mild due to the vaccine.
My wife's cardiologist said he has seen an enormous number of of people with post Covid heart problems. My wife was one of them. He said that the vast majority were from people that actually had Covid. Some, but very few were in people that got the jab but did not get Covid.
All that said, I stand with all of you that are against the mandates, and additionally, I am against the discrimination against people that choose not to get the jab.
But I'm conflicted on whether the government should be subsidizing the vaccines.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 27, 2023, 05:20:50 AM
My doctor daughter told us there is mercury and other chemical and organic (animal tissue) carriers in most vaccines. She claimed it was in amounts too small to “hurt” us. At that time the gold standard to be a good citizen and save granny was two shots.
Now they’re on how many boosters? And annual shots now? The CDC director is on record this summer as saying a Covid shot should be scheduled “if it has been two months since your last booster.”
How much mercury (and other toxins) over a lifetime? Not our lifetimes even, but the lifetimes of young people getting these jabs with so many years (we hope) ahead of them?
The “Vaccines are inherently dangerous” thread was started with this link. Mr. Kirsch has done very accessible research and surveys and tries to cover all angles and possibilities and welcomes new information and perspectives and admits if he has been wrong. Don’t get ME wrong, I would take a vaccine if the threat of dying from a disease was great enough, but we’re talking here about COVID vaccines, the most widely administered, and now controversial vaccine in history. Always before, it seems, Pharma was leery of lawsuits and deaths and stopped vaccines when deleterious effects arose. Not so with Covid jabs. Freedom from liability, billions of doses, and the ability (for a while anyway) to manipulate or suppress REAL DATA needed for informed consent. My doctor daughter even told us, when we brought up VAERS, “oh, that’s voluntary and you shouldn’t base your decision on that.” If not VAERS, then where?
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/should-you-get-any-vaccines-the-data
I’ve also said here on the forum that I have had a number of visits to health care facilities over the last three years and NEVER ONCE have I been asked if I’ve had a Covid jab. NEVER ONCE. How do you collect data when you don’t ask? And why would you not ask unless YOU DON’T WANT TO KNOW?
For both Joe and Jim, I cannot believe I see this and you don’t: THE VIRUS QUICKLY MUTATED TO BE LESS VIRULENT. Crediting a vaccine with “saving” people from DYING of a virus that fast became less deadly is spurious at best and at worst dangerously propagates the idea that we should keep getting the shots!
Are you getting more Covid shots? Joe, I said the people I knew who had gotten jabs and then gotten Covid had no heart problems. Not sure where you got that they had.
For two years I checked our local health department stats EVERY DAY for Covid deaths. They were listed by city, age, and whether or not they had “underlying conditions.” This habit, along with the stolen election and destroyed trust in our agencies, I think firmed up our decision not to get the shots. Because without exception the deaths were in the elderly and/or those with comorbidities. WITHOUT EXCEPTION. This gives me a shred of hope that my health department is honest, but that was then. No idea how they’ve evolved now.
But in our new, horrifying world, all of this discussion about “Covid” is shaky and crumbling because the tests are not reliable. We know this now! Twice in the last two years my husband and and I had “something.” It felt different than anything we’d had before. But we didn’t get “tested” because it had already CLEARLY been shown that the PCR tests were being run at cycles high enough to detect a fragment of a covid virus one might have had YEARS ago. This was documented and even admitted by the CDC, who then claimed they had “adjusted” the tests now so all is well. After and during fear porning and economy raping and draconian tyranny around the world. Little late there, eh?
Acting and speaking like any if the organizations I mentioned in the first paragraph above still have complete credibility is folly. Acting like the tests and official data and increasingly ridiculous “explanations” and “recommendations” are reliable is folly. We’re on our own now, and personal experience has gone from dismissably anecdotal to hard evidence for decision making.
Post by: Anthony on August 27, 2023, 06:03:17 AM
Just saw this story:
Biden plans to ask Congress for funding to develop new COVID vaccine, may require shot for all (https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-plans-ask-congress-funding-003513892.html)
Another power he doesn't have that he intends to use anyway. Even the Chinese weren't able to accomplish such a grand authoritarian goal.
Biden can coerce Corporations and government to require it as a term of employment. Back door mandate. Just like with EVs and other Climate Change phony fixes. >:(
Post by: Rush on August 27, 2023, 06:06:30 AM
That being said I agree with most of what Becky said and I also agree too many vaccines is probably messing up our immune system and might be behind the autism epidemic. And because the CDC and government has lied and censored so much they’ve squandered their credibility and made me suspect anything they recommend particularly if they try to make it mandatory.
Forcing repeat and frequent vaxes on us for what is now basically a common cold/flu is ludicrous. They can fuck themselves “with a rusty shovel” (thank you N7 for that).
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 27, 2023, 06:12:41 AM
There’s also the difference between injecting into muscle or into the bloodstream directly when veins are hit. Hell, here we had the National Guard hastily “trained” and administering the Covid shots at the local fairgrounds.
Unreal.
Post by: Rush on August 27, 2023, 07:15:28 AM
It’s not a leap at all to suspect improper temperature control and bad handling, and bad administration of the shots, contribute to the wildly varying results and reactions.
There’s also the difference between injecting into muscle or into the bloodstream directly when veins are hit. Hell, here we had the National Guard hastily “trained” and administering the Covid shots at the local fairgrounds.
Unreal.
That’s why I don’t necessarily prefer organic no pesticides no herbicides produce. It’s often rottener. Not saying I want mercury in my vaxes. It’s like Thomas Sowell says: “There are no solutions, only trade offs.” I’m sure they’re right when they say there’s not enough mercury in thimerosal to hurt you. Yeah, ONE shot. But we are now giving kids dozens of vaccines and by the time you are an adult hundreds. They’ve pretty much stopped using thimerosal but that doesn’t do anything about how your immune system is overloaded by artificial exposure to engineered or killed or partially killed pathogens many of which you will never be exposed to actual disease anyway. The increasing rate of allergies and autoimmune diseases still doesn’t have a satisfactory explanation. The causes are multiple but too many vaccines and not enough exposure to natural disease could be part of it. Lack of sun, breathing indoor air all the time, terrible horrible modern diet probably covers most of the rest of it.
Post by: Number7 on August 27, 2023, 07:15:47 AM
Those folks don’t pay bribes to him anyway…
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 27, 2023, 05:07:58 PM
Jim, from where did you get your list of vaccine ingredients? What’s in those “fats?”Originally from here: https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-ingredient-list (https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-ingredient-list)
But this is more authoritative: https://faqs.in.gov/hc/en-us/articles/360054531351-What-are-the-ingredients-in-the-Pfizer-BioNTech-COVID-19-vaccine- (https://faqs.in.gov/hc/en-us/articles/360054531351-What-are-the-ingredients-in-the-Pfizer-BioNTech-COVID-19-vaccine-)
This is what I could find on the ALC-0315, ALC-0159, and DPSC lipids:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALC-0315 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALC-0315)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALC-0159 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ALC-0159)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distearoylphosphatidylcholine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distearoylphosphatidylcholine)
Quote
You have to remember that “government” and “medicine” have shot their wad, just like the CDC, DOJ, etc., and ESPECIALLY Big Pharma.Agreed.
Quote
My doctor daughter told us there is mercury and other chemical and organic (animal tissue) carriers in most vaccines. She claimed it was in amounts too small to “hurt” us. At that time the gold standard to be a good citizen and save granny was two shots.Rush already addressed that - mercury appears in other vaccines, but not all and not in mRNA vaccines.
Quote
For both Joe and Jim, I cannot believe I see this and you don’t: THE VIRUS QUICKLY MUTATED TO BE LESS VIRULENT. Crediting a vaccine with “saving” people from DYING of a virus that fast became less deadly is spurious at best and at worst dangerously propagates the idea that we should keep getting the shots!Yes the mutations to less deadly forms definitely helped a lot. To the extent that the spike protein did not mutate the more likely the vaccine would presumably have continued helping.
Quote
Are you getting more Covid shots?No.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 27, 2023, 05:35:32 PM
Lunch with friend today. Vaxxed and multi-boosted; in fact for months was hesitant to meet with our book group because I was not vaccinated. (?!)
She mentioned today that she had covid last month on a trip.
Me: But you’re vaccinated and boosted!
Her: Yes. So it wasn’t as bad as the last time I got covid.
Me: You had covid twice!!! Was the last time after you were vaccinated too?
Her: Yes, so it wasn’t too bad either.
Me: How do you know the vaccine made your covid less bad?
Her: Because [boyfriend] skipped his third booster and he got it too, and was sicker than I was.
Me: Are you going to be getting more covid shots?
Her: Yes.
Me: But you’re both okay and got over it. Could that have been because the virus is mutating and becoming less virul…
Her: Becky, we don’t agree on this so we shouldn’t talk about it. Changes subject.
This is a super smart woman, holds a very responsible position relating to nuclear materials management. I suspect boyfriend has caught on as he skipped that THIRD booster. Hope they don’t have to break up if he says he’s done with the jabs.
Post by: Anthony on August 28, 2023, 04:20:40 AM
Post by: nddons on August 28, 2023, 05:20:08 AM
Book smart people can be easily indoctrinated idiots also. Doesn't mean they have common sense, or could fly a plane, nor make good life decisions.That correct. Many very smart people would rather be led than lead. Many are also more susceptible to fear than common sense.
Post by: Rush on August 28, 2023, 05:43:06 AM
That correct. Many very smart people would rather be led than lead. Many are also more susceptible to fear than common sense.
Smart people think in very complex patterns. They can detect underlying reality where “average” people don’t. They see distal cause and effect where most people see only proximal connections. But that also makes them susceptible to “seeing” patterns that aren’t really there, whether misled by propaganda or because they have a need to create imagined connections that don’t really exist because it fulfills an emotional need.
Random distributions can be made to look like patterns by selectively ignoring certain data points. Coincidence can be accepted as causal once you have an agenda to define the world a certain way. When there are others with the same fantasy, they feed on each other, reinforcing each other’s mind-fantasy, confirming each other’s biases.
Post by: Bamaflyer on August 28, 2023, 05:59:05 AM
Just saw this story:
Biden plans to ask Congress for funding to develop new COVID vaccine, may require shot for all (https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-plans-ask-congress-funding-003513892.html)
Another power he doesn't have that he intends to use anyway. Even the Chinese weren't able to accomplish such a grand authoritarian goal.
If you break that bill down it includes more Ukraine “aid” moola, and a bunch of liberal causes such as climate control.
Post by: Anthony on August 28, 2023, 07:29:46 AM
If you break that bill down it includes more Ukraine “aid” moola, and a bunch of liberal causes such as climate control.
Everything is about Covid and Climate Change. Tools to control us and rob from us.
Post by: Lucifer on August 28, 2023, 07:53:27 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 28, 2023, 07:56:16 AM
Post by: nddons on August 28, 2023, 08:13:11 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/z3G2THR.jpg)^^^^This is 100% accurate. We all know that no government official “followed the science” with masks, despite all the lemmings who allowed themselves to be subjected to such idiocy.
Post by: Little Joe on August 28, 2023, 09:15:38 AM
Everyone was wearing masks. My hearing is probably on a par with Rush's and I had to ask them to repeat almost everything if I thought it was important.
But I wanted to get out of there asap, so I just nodded and didn't ask any questions and I was out pretty quickly. I'll wait for them to post the patient discharge letter to see what we talked about.
Post by: nddons on August 28, 2023, 10:01:09 AM
But on Friday virtually no one wore a mask. I was shocked.
Post by: Rush on August 28, 2023, 10:48:05 AM
I had an awful doctor's visit today for my "every other year" physical.
Everyone was wearing masks. My hearing is probably on a par with Rush's and I had to ask them to repeat almost everything if I thought it was important.
But I wanted to get out of there asap, so I just nodded and didn't ask any questions and I was out pretty quickly. I'll wait for them to post the patient discharge letter to see what we talked about.
I had a doctor’s visit with my cardiologist today. No masks thank God. I asked him about the connection between heart arrhythmia and the vaccines. He said yes, it’s very possible the jabs cause that. But so does the disease. I’ve had patients have issues after both. But the good news is they’re usually temporary.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 28, 2023, 11:35:50 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 28, 2023, 11:49:01 AM
and heart arrhythmias happen completely independent of covid and vaccines.
Gee, no kidding. Who would have thought?
Post by: Steingar on August 28, 2023, 12:12:12 PM
Post by: Lucifer on August 28, 2023, 12:41:41 PM
One of my students sister died of COVID. So fuck you all.
Several of my friends lost their careers due to the snake oil vaccine they had to take against their will.
So fuck you associate perfesser.
Post by: Lucifer on August 28, 2023, 12:46:44 PM
One of my students sister died of COVID. So fuck you all.
You have yet to explain why you were so against the vaccine, then all of the sudden you were all for it.
Post by: Rush on August 28, 2023, 01:23:05 PM
and heart arrhythmias happen completely independent of covid and vaccines.
Yes they do but my cardiologist was implying he had more cases after Covid and after the vaccine. But it’s really hard to say for sure whether the vaccine actually causes it or if people come in with vague symptoms because they’re afraid of the vaccine and they end up getting diagnosed when they would never have gotten diagnosed otherwise but still would have had it with or without the vaccine. In other words, minor transitory arrhythmias can go unnoticed and undiagnosed for years.
Post by: Bamaflyer on August 28, 2023, 01:55:54 PM
One of my students sister died of COVID. So fuck you all.
So you were close to your student’s sister right? Yeah sure you were. 🙄
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 28, 2023, 02:08:01 PM
One of my students sister died of COVID. So fuck you all.
You are a real class act
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 28, 2023, 02:55:14 PM
We all knew something didn’t feel right.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12453329/99-PERCENT-Covid-deaths-not-caused-virus-official-data.html
Again, this was intuitive for many of us. Things weren’t adding up when we’d take a deeper look.
Post by: nddons on August 28, 2023, 02:57:42 PM
One of my students sister died of COVID. So fuck you all.Why didn’t she wear a mask or get the vax?
Post by: Anthony on August 28, 2023, 04:27:47 PM
One of my students sister died of COVID. So fuck you all.
The VAST majority of people that died from Covid were obese, very old and/or had respiratory problems or other issues. So they usually died of those things WITH Covid not from it.
Covid is the biggest scam since Man Made Climate Change. And the fact you believe in both just confirms they're both a FRAUD, just like you.
Post by: Lucifer on August 29, 2023, 04:26:01 AM
FJB has just announced he’s asking congress for a huge sum of money to give the pharmaceuticals to develop a new improved COVID vaccine.
Why should the taxpayer pay the pharmaceuticals for this, so they can turn around and make windfall profits? If this product is so good, why don’t they foot the bill, like most other manufacturers?
Could it be FJB is looking for more donations from the pharmaceuticals ?
Post by: Anthony on August 29, 2023, 04:29:38 AM
So…..
FJB has just announced he’s asking congress for a huge sum of money to give the pharmaceuticals to develop a new improved COVID vaccine.
Why should the taxpayer pay the pharmaceuticals for this, so they can turn around and make windfall profits? If this product is so good, why don’t they foot the bill, like most other manufacturers?
Could it be FJB is looking for more donations from the pharmaceuticals ?
Politicians, on both sides of the aisle including Biden have become rich from kickbacks from big Pharma, Auto companies for back door EV mandates, and the MIC, just to name a few.
This just continues the gravy train. Viva la revolucion!
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 29, 2023, 04:44:30 AM
https://twitter.com/amuse/status/1695744759556358564
We all knew something didn’t feel right.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12453329/99-PERCENT-Covid-deaths-not-caused-virus-official-data.html
Again, this was intuitive for many of us. Things weren’t adding up when we’d take a deeper look.
Claiming covid caused a death is easy to do. And we've seen plenty of over-counting of covid deaths.
What is harder to fake is the total number of people dying. Are people disputing that we saw more deaths than we would statistically expect?
(it's interesting that people who completely ignore the statistical, ahem, "anamolies" with the 2020 vote counts are perfectly happy looking at the CDC excess death count and screaming about covid deaths)
excess deaths can be seen at: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
btw - note that there were excess deaths around Jan 2018 - so excess deaths are not necessarily caused by covid... unless you want to claim covid was spread before Jan 2020.
Post by: nddons on August 29, 2023, 04:49:05 AM
So…..Trump got $10B from Congress to fund Operation Warp Speed, followed by multiples of that because FedGov paid for every vaccine.
FJB has just announced he’s asking congress for a huge sum of money to give the pharmaceuticals to develop a new improved COVID vaccine.
Why should the taxpayer pay the pharmaceuticals for this, so they can turn around and make windfall profits? If this product is so good, why don’t they foot the bill, like most other manufacturers?
Could it be FJB is looking for more donations from the pharmaceuticals ?
This is a bipartisan problem.
Post by: Lucifer on August 29, 2023, 04:55:39 AM
Trump got $10B from Congress to fund Operation Warp Speed, followed by multiples of that because FedGov paid for every vaccine.
This is a bipartisan problem.
Why are we continuing it? COVID is akin to a cold or flu, so why is FedGov on the hook to give more money to the pharmaceuticals for another product? With the windfall billions they made off the first round they certainly are flush with capital.
How soon will it be FedGov will be on the hook to pay for any and all drug development?
Wouldn’t we all love a business where no capital investment is involved, and FedGov forced people to buy the product.
Post by: Rush on August 29, 2023, 05:24:20 AM
Trump got $10B from Congress to fund Operation Warp Speed, followed by multiples of that because FedGov paid for every vaccine.
This is a bipartisan problem.
He got that started when we were being misled into thinking it had a much higher death rate than it actually does. He also mobilized ventilator supplies and it turns out putting Covid patients on ventilators is not the best treatment. And he provided mobile hospital units which were never used. Stimmy checks were a mistake. He did a bunch of stuff wrong in hindsight. Biden has no excuse. We now know all these things are counterproductive or unnecessary.
Trump does need a refresher in Thomas Sowell's Economics 101. He is not a fiscal conservative. I keep telling y’all he’s not a conservative at all. He’s a populist and his primary mission is siding with the people against a bloated corrupt government. That included printing money we don’t have but most all presidents have done that and besides, Congress starts it. The difference is Trump does it thinking it’s helping the people as the primary goal as opposed to lining fat cats’ pockets.
Everything Trump does is with us the people in mind, as opposed to other politicians who first and foremost take care of their own wallet. That Trump didn’t choose the pandemic as the time to slash the budget is more than forgivable, but now the transparency of the vaccine being primarily a transfer of wealth from the taxpayer to the fascist conjoined twins of corporate/government grift and it doesn’t even work that well is them openly giving the finger to us. It’s three years later now and we know the truth. Big difference.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 29, 2023, 05:27:18 PM
Study: Sweden's 'Laissez Faire' Pandemic Policies Paid Off (https://reason.com/2023/08/29/study-swedens-laissez-faire-pandemic-policies-paid-off/)
Some relevant quotes from that article:
"...Norberg focuses on excess deaths—the difference between the number of overall deaths in the country and the expected number of deaths based on past mortality rates. Here, Sweden ended up having the fewest excess deaths of any European country, seeing only a 4.4 percent excess death rate."
"Sweden's comparatively dismal performance at the start of the pandemic was mostly a result of other countries having managed to delay cases and deaths, rather than having prevented them," writes Norberg. "Sweden suffered most of its deaths in 2020, while the Nordic neighbors and many other countries got them in 2022."
"The real benefit of Sweden's more liberal pandemic policies then appears to be that it had far better social and economic outcomes than its neighbors, despite experiencing roughly the same number of excess COVID deaths."
"The country was nevertheless much more respectful of people's individual choices during the pandemic than other European countries and most U.S. states. That additional freedom doesn't appear to have proven more deadly in the aggregate. Instead, it seems to have helped Sweden avoid many of the asocial knock-on effects of banning or restricting public life for months or years at a time."
It also brings up this bit of Trump's response to Covid:
"Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443). The United States made the correct decision!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 30, 2020"
From: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/495408-trump-sweden-paying-heavily-for-not-locking-down-nation/ (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/495408-trump-sweden-paying-heavily-for-not-locking-down-nation/)
Post by: Lucifer on August 29, 2023, 05:30:48 PM
We all know (now) there were a lot of people out to sabotage Trump in his administration.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 29, 2023, 05:41:34 PM
Keep in mind, the president typically doesn’t do his own research and depends on staffers.True. I do remember when he also said about a month earlier "We can’t let the cure be worse than the problem itself".
We all know (now) there were a lot of people out to sabotage Trump in his administration.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488965-trump-hints-at-changes-to-restrictions-we-cant-let-the-cure-be-worse/ (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488965-trump-hints-at-changes-to-restrictions-we-cant-let-the-cure-be-worse/)
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on August 29, 2023, 05:42:20 PM
Interesting article:
Study: Sweden's 'Laissez Faire' Pandemic Policies Paid Off (https://reason.com/2023/08/29/study-swedens-laissez-faire-pandemic-policies-paid-off/)
Some relevant quotes from that article:
"...Norberg focuses on excess deaths—the difference between the number of overall deaths in the country and the expected number of deaths based on past mortality rates. Here, Sweden ended up having the fewest excess deaths of any European country, seeing only a 4.4 percent excess death rate."
"Sweden's comparatively dismal performance at the start of the pandemic was mostly a result of other countries having managed to delay cases and deaths, rather than having prevented them," writes Norberg. "Sweden suffered most of its deaths in 2020, while the Nordic neighbors and many other countries got them in 2022."
"The real benefit of Sweden's more liberal pandemic policies then appears to be that it had far better social and economic outcomes than its neighbors, despite experiencing roughly the same number of excess COVID deaths."
"The country was nevertheless much more respectful of people's individual choices during the pandemic than other European countries and most U.S. states. That additional freedom doesn't appear to have proven more deadly in the aggregate. Instead, it seems to have helped Sweden avoid many of the asocial knock-on effects of banning or restricting public life for months or years at a time."
It also brings up this bit of Trump's response to Covid:
"Despite reports to the contrary, Sweden is paying heavily for its decision not to lockdown. As of today, 2462 people have died there, a much higher number than the neighboring countries of Norway (207), Finland (206) or Denmark (443). The United States made the correct decision!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 30, 2020"
From: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/495408-trump-sweden-paying-heavily-for-not-locking-down-nation/ (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/495408-trump-sweden-paying-heavily-for-not-locking-down-nation/)
bringing up President Trump's statement is kind of silly given the statement "...Sweden suffered most of its deaths in 2020"
Post by: nddons on August 30, 2023, 06:45:04 AM
Keep in mind, the president typically doesn’t do his own research and depends on staffers.But the command decisions were his, even if such decision was to delegate social policy to unelected bureaucrats.
We all know (now) there were a lot of people out to sabotage Trump in his administration.
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 07:17:03 AM
But the command decisions were his, even if such decision was to delegate social policy to unelected bureaucrats.
Decisions are based upon information. We can go back and point out how many times DJT was correct, such as the actual death rate of Covid, but derided constantly by the media.
Unfortunately our federal government is under control of unelected bureaucrats. Congress has staff that writes legislation that the representatives and senators rarely if ever actually read. Federal agencies write regulations that exceed the scope of the law that regulates their agency. And now we have a fourth unofficial branch of government, the intelligence depts (17 of them).
Post by: Little Joe on August 30, 2023, 07:31:15 AM
But the command decisions were his, even if such decision was to delegate social policy to unelected bureaucrats.Come on Stan. You know that NOTHING was Trump's fault. And even if it was, which it wasn't, he had a good reason, or else there was nothing else he could have done.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 30, 2023, 07:40:03 AM
Come on Stan. You know that NOTHING was Trump's fault. And even if it was, which it wasn't, he had a good reason, or else there was nothing else he could have done.You know, Joe, I’m really hard to offend. But dude. I get really sick of having to shout that Trump isn’t perfect, never has been, and never will be. I’m sure Rush does too. But at the moment I believe he’s the best we’ve got. I’m willing to change my mind, but it won’t be because of snidely oblique remarks that we worship his holy innocence and perfection. We don’t. Nor do, I believe, most of those who support him. Because we have brains, and can look around and see things and analyze them.
Egad.
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 07:41:36 AM
Come on Stan. You know that NOTHING was Trump's fault. And even if it was, which it wasn't, he had a good reason, or else there was nothing else he could have done.
I don't believe anyone has implied nothing was Trump's fault. I do believe that several here have posted factual accounts around what happened during covid.
Post by: Rush on August 30, 2023, 07:44:54 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 07:48:14 AM
Joe was being sarcastic? My husband tells me I have a malfunctioning sarcasm detector. I guess it’s true.
No, he's just once again putting his butthurt on full display.
Post by: nddons on August 30, 2023, 07:54:25 AM
Decisions are based upon information. We can go back and point out how many times DJT was correct, such as the actual death rate of Covid, but derided constantly by the media.I wonder if George Patton blamed “the system” for any failures under his watch.
Unfortunately our federal government is under control of unelected bureaucrats. Congress has staff that writes legislation that the representatives and senators rarely if ever actually read. Federal agencies write regulations that exceed the scope of the law that regulates their agency. And now we have a fourth unofficial branch of government, the intelligence depts (17 of them).
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 07:55:03 AM
I wonder if George Patton blamed “the system” for any failures under his watch.
Nice deflection. ::)
George Patton had several failures, and yes he tried to blame others. And Patton also had people that were trying to undermine him in his command.
George Patton was a battle hardened soldier with an aggressive nature, that found himself under the command of a bureaucrat soldier that never experienced combat (Eisenhower), and Eisenhower was more worried about political appearances than results.
Post by: nddons on August 30, 2023, 08:18:30 AM
Joe was being sarcastic? My husband tells me I have a malfunctioning sarcasm detector. I guess it’s true.Joe was being sarcastic, commenting on some of my posts where I’m pointing out some of Trump’s failings. I think that’s important to know in any election, but particularly when some people look at Trump as a Savior and not a politician with major faults.
I know you don’t look at Trump that way, and are quick to point out, for example, that he was not a fiscal conservative.
And you are right, so is it wrong to ask if we can get someone who IS more fiscally conservative? Or is willing to attack the woke left? Or is demonstrably able to govern across party lines?
Post by: nddons on August 30, 2023, 08:20:54 AM
https://youtu.be/4U9Yl5CXvcQ?si=pWXxmHqmCCPaCKN5
Post by: Username on August 30, 2023, 08:30:15 AM
Nice deflection. ::)Yep. Eisenhower was "an ally instead of an American" as he was trying to corral a primadonna Montgomery and keep the Brits happy. Monty wanted all the glory to himself while keeping safe, Patton wanted to get the job done at any cost. Kinda like Trump wanting to get the job done vs. FJB who wants all the credit for other people's work.
George Patton had several failures, and yes he tried to blame others. And Patton also had people that were trying to undermine him in his command.
George Patton was a battle hardened soldier with an aggressive nature, that found himself under the command of a bureaucrat soldier that never experienced combat (Eisenhower), and Eisenhower was more worried about political appearances than results.
Post by: Username on August 30, 2023, 08:31:47 AM
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 08:36:04 AM
Yep. Eisenhower was "an ally instead of an American" as he was trying to corral a primadonna Montgomery and keep the Brits happy. Monty wanted all the glory to himself while keeping safe, Patton wanted to get the job done at any cost. Kinda like Trump wanting to get the job done vs. FJB who wants all the credit for other people's work.
Yep.
Eisenhower slowed the offensive to redirect supplies to the British who were flailing in order to appease political positions. Had he left it alone the war would have ended sooner.
I loved the quote of Gen MacArthur while watching the 1952 republican convention, and his wife asked him about Eisenhower. "Best clerk I ever had" was his comment.
Now, after the history interlude, back to our discussion of covid.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 30, 2023, 08:42:08 AM
Joe was being sarcastic, commenting on some of my posts where I’m pointing out some of Trump’s failings. I think that’s important to know in any election, but particularly when some people look at Trump as a Savior and not a politician with major faults.President Trump is not, in either the traditional or modern evolved sense of the word, a politician. He is an American citizen who entered politics because it was the arena he knew he had to enter to fight the bloated, corrupt government. If he is loved, it is for that reason. He fought and fights for us as the outsider, and because we feel like outsiders in our own country, we feel he is on our side.
I know you don’t look at Trump that way, and are quick to point out, for example, that he was not a fiscal conservative.
And you are right, so is it wrong to ask if we can get someone who IS more fiscally conservative? Or is willing to attack the woke left? Or is demonstrably able to govern across party lines?
To answer your last three questions, in a normal era, no. But we have an entrenched Uniparty that serves itself with fiscal abandon, submits to the woke left with simpering apologies and “strongly worded letters,” and as a Uniparty blurs the lines between the aisles into oblivion.
Even if by a miracle we are given four more years of President Trump, those three things will be massive hurdles that will take more miracles to fix, and we may be in for decades of turmoil as the battle rages. But it has to begin, or we will be subsumed and destroyed.
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 08:46:33 AM
President Trump is not, in either the traditional or modern evolved sense of the word, a politician. He is an American citizen who entered politics because it was the arena he knew he had to enter to fight the bloated, corrupt government. If he is loved, it is for that reason. He fought and fights for us as the outsider, and because we feel like outsiders in our own country, we feel he is on our side.
To answer your last three questions, in a normal era, no. But we have an entrenched Uniparty that serves itself with fiscal abandon, submits to the woke left with simpering apologies and “strongly worded letters,” and as a Uniparty blurs the lines between the aisles into oblivion.
Even if by a miracle we are given four more years of President Trump, those three things will be massive hurdles that will take more miracles to fix, and we may be in for decades of turmoil as the battle rages. But it has to begin, or we will be subsumed and destroyed.
Some people want a known comfort, and for many RNC loyalist they want the comfort of having another establishment president. They'll argue "but he can get things done" with the DC swamp, never once thinking or wanting to believe that many of those accomplishments are to their detriment.
Post by: Rush on August 30, 2023, 08:47:48 AM
Joe was being sarcastic, commenting on some of my posts where I’m pointing out some of Trump’s failings. I think that’s important to know in any election, but particularly when some people look at Trump as a Savior and not a politician with major faults.
I know you don’t look at Trump that way, and are quick to point out, for example, that he was not a fiscal conservative.
And you are right, so is it wrong to ask if we can get someone who IS more fiscally conservative? Or is willing to attack the woke left? Or is demonstrably able to govern across party lines?
What Becky said.
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 08:59:13 AM
Post by: Little Joe on August 30, 2023, 09:25:24 AM
You know, Joe, I’m really hard to offend. But dude. I get really sick of having to shout that Trump isn’t perfect, never has been, and never will be. I’m sure Rush does too. But at the moment I believe he’s the best we’ve got. I’m willing to change my mind, but it won’t be because of snidely oblique remarks that we worship his holy innocence and perfection. We don’t. Nor do, I believe, most of those who support him. Because we have brains, and can look around and see things and analyze them.I realize that nobody here says Trump is perfect, and that most will acknowledge his flaws,
Egad.
Those same people have no problem voicing criticism of any one Trump considers a foe or a competitor (which is just about everyone).
But when I, or others, say anything negative about Trump it is instantly met with dozens of responses of how it isn't his fault, or he had no choice, or someone else was at fault, or at least he is better than other people or nobody else could have done better. Maybe it's not you every time. Maybe it's not Rush, or anyone else all the time.
But it is always SOMEBODY all the time.
Trump is not the Messiah. There are other good people out there, and some of them may not have all of Trump's flaws.
I want to find that person, but if we can't, then I will support Trump.
One thing is certain: I won't be supporting any of the Democrat contenders.
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 09:35:37 AM
But when I, or others, say anything negative about Trump it is instantly met with dozens of responses of how it isn't his fault, or he had no choice, or someone else was at fault, or at least he is better than other people or nobody else could have done better. Maybe it's not you every time. Maybe it's not Rush, or anyone else all the time.
But it is always SOMEBODY all the time.
You poor thing.
May I suggest?
(https://i0.wp.com/foreclosurepedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Butt-Hurt-Cream.png?fit=449%2C184&ssl=1)
Post by: Little Joe on August 30, 2023, 09:38:43 AM
You poor thing.So anyone you disagree with must be butt-hurt.
May I suggest?
(https://i0.wp.com/foreclosurepedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Butt-Hurt-Cream.png?fit=449%2C184&ssl=1)
Got it.
Just another one of your ways to try to stifle opposing thought.
Post by: nddons on August 30, 2023, 09:39:49 AM
So anyone you disagree with must be butt-hurt.Just like all loyal leftists.
Got it.
Just another one of your ways to try to stifle opposing thought.
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 09:41:28 AM
Just like all loyal leftists.
This coming from a loyal establishment sycophant. ;D
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 09:44:26 AM
So anyone you disagree with must be butt-hurt.
Got it.
Just another one of your ways to try to stifle opposing thought.
Ah, you may need to run back over to TPP to shed a few tears and get some sympathy (and advise)
Try this as well
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fe6%2F5f%2Fa4%2Fe65fa4f09cd271d76cd094513ff6aceb--funny-memes-funny-pics.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=a7b3c1d140cb236a34dec7b4557609c9ec605fd34cc6c6bc8afaab861e6362d9&ipo=images)
Post by: nddons on August 30, 2023, 09:51:52 AM
This coming from a loyal establishment sycophant. ;DYour efforts to act as retarded as 7 are falling short.
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 10:05:46 AM
Your efforts to act as retarded as 7 are falling short.
Your efforts at inane diatribes are perfection. ;)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 30, 2023, 10:06:58 AM
I realize that nobody here says Trump is perfect, and that most will acknowledge his flaws,We point out flaws in people because they have flaws. “Dozens” of responses is perhaps overblown, although no amount of logical responding seems to break through to you.
Those same people have no problem voicing criticism of any one Trump considers a foe or a competitor (which is just about everyone).
But when I, or others, say anything negative about Trump it is instantly met with dozens of responses of how it isn't his fault, or he had no choice, or someone else was at fault, or at least he is better than other people or nobody else could have done better. Maybe it's not you every time. Maybe it's not Rush, or anyone else all the time.
But it is always SOMEBODY all the time.
Trump is not the Messiah. There are other good people out there, and some of them may not have all of Trump's flaws.
I want to find that person, but if we can't, then I will support Trump.
One thing is certain: I won't be supporting any of the Democrat contenders.
Once again:
Sometimes it isn't or wasn’t his fault.
Sometimes he had no real choice except to make one and hope it was right.
Sometimes he did things only he could or would have done, not being a bought-off RINO.
The reason we keep explaining this to you is because it is all universally reasonable and factual, but you seem only, for some reason, probably emotion, to see such a presentation as defending someone you really don’t like but will grudgingly support if you have to. And you repeatedly react in a knee-jerk fashion, metronomically repeating accusations of monomaniacal hero worship, to what looks to the rest of us like a reasonable, clear-eyed discussion of the facts we see presented to us daily and in our past experience.
But watching your responses is helping me understand emotional responses, which is helpful to me when I get frustrated with people who are stuck in them. So thanks.
Post by: Rush on August 30, 2023, 10:19:15 AM
The basic disagreement is how to combat it, specifically through the ballot box. Because we are arguing whether Trump or another candidate has a better shot at beating Biden in the general. We all have opinions on that but we don’t know. We do not know the extent of the cheating, but that the Dems will cheat is another thing upon which we agree.
There are polls but none of us really knows who has a better shot at beating Biden, because we don’t know the future. A lot can happen between now and the general.
My firm opinion is that Trump has the best shot. None of you are going to convince me otherwise. But I admit that I could be wrong. Just don’t tell my husband I ever said that.
Post by: Jim Logajan on August 30, 2023, 11:18:18 AM
You poor thing.Add me to your ad hominem attack.
May I suggest?
(https://i0.wp.com/foreclosurepedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Butt-Hurt-Cream.png?fit=449%2C184&ssl=1)
I make the same observation that by default you and several others give Trump a silent pass on the same class of decisions that Biden would not.
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 11:31:34 AM
Add me to your ad hominem attack.
I make the same observation that by default you and several others give Trump a silent pass on the same class of decisions that Biden would not.
Added!
Thanks for participating Cliff!
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 30, 2023, 12:00:27 PM
Add me to your ad hominem attack.Perhaps you’re not referring to, say, Rush and I, but if you are, we’re hardly silent and don’t give him a pass. I would point out that at least so far we have no evidence of President Trump tacitly and actively approving of a two-tier justice system as Biden does, or grifting his position to enrich his family, as Biden does, or ignoring his sworn duty to serve the citizens of America, as Biden does.
I make the same observation that by default you and several others give Trump a silent pass on the same class of decisions that Biden would not.
In his interview with Tucker Carlson last week, President Trump was asked what his priority would be if returned to office. He said it was to secure the border and deport millions who are here illegally. He made giant strides toward that, and the massive influx of people streaming into our country is a deep concern of mine. Just this morning I read that $400,000 of state grant funds have been secured to house and care for undocumented “immigrants” in my community. Undoubtedly this is happening around the country. While I am not without compassion, I would prefer that money paid in taxes by American citizens be used in the service of American citizens. We have deep and serious problems in America that are not helped by an influx of millions who do not share American ideals and culture, battle-worn and tattered as those ideals and culture have become through constant attack.
President Trump also shares my deep concern for human trafficking. He is open about our corrupt government. He hears our frustration about death by a thousand cuts with such daily items as light bulbs, gas stoves, our cars, and on and on. He even talked about that in the interview with Tucker Carlson.
While I am a word person, I know that ultimately the solutions lie in action. I believe I posted in another thread, after you requested it, the long and ongoing list of President Trump’s actions and accomplishments.
I see things he has done wrong and I don’t always agree with him. But to paraphrase what Rush said earlier in this thread, we are at war and don’t have the luxury to wait for a perfect 10.
Post by: Number7 on August 30, 2023, 12:14:55 PM
These days all we have are politicians and one crazy ex president that thinks of the people instead of the ruling/donor class.
I’ll take the guy who does his best and doesn’t care if the opponent likes it, or not, because he is not a politician in the modern sense of the word.
Post by: Rush on August 30, 2023, 12:35:42 PM
Perhaps you’re not referring to, say, Rush and I, but if you are, we’re hardly silent and don’t give him a pass. I would point out that at least so far we have no evidence of President Trump tacitly and actively approving of a two-tier justice system as Biden does, or grifting his position to enrich his family, as Biden does, or ignoring his sworn duty to serve the citizens of America, as Biden does.
In his interview with Tucker Carlson last week, President Trump was asked what his priority would be if returned to office. He said it was to secure the border and deport millions who are here illegally. He made giant strides toward that, and the massive influx of people streaming into our country is a deep concern of mine. Just this morning I read that $400,000 of state grant funds have been secured to house and care for undocumented “immigrants” in my community. Undoubtedly this is happening around the country. While I am not without compassion, I would prefer that money paid in taxes by American citizens be used in the service of American citizens. We have deep and serious problems in America that are not helped by an influx of millions who do not share American ideals and culture, battle-worn and tattered as those ideals and culture have become through constant attack.
President Trump also shares my deep concern for human trafficking. He is open about our corrupt government. He hears our frustration about death by a thousand cuts with such daily items as light bulbs, gas stoves, our cars, and on and on. He even talked about that in the interview with Tucker Carlson.
While I am a word person, I know that ultimately the solutions lie in action. I believe I posted in another thread, after you requested it, the long and ongoing list of President Trump’s actions and accomplishments.
I see things he has done wrong and I don’t always agree with him. But to paraphrase what Rush said earlier in this thread, we are at war and don’t have the luxury to wait for a perfect 10.
When Trump talks about gas stoves and light bulbs, he really gets me on board. These are things that affect me directly. He always had a way of making me feel like he’s inside my head, finding out what I want, and when he was president, giving it to me, or at least trying his best to. That last is the important part, the actual effort to do.
There has never in my lifetime been another politician who did that for me. I’m sure I’m not alone. This is why we “Trumpkins” (as a certain person on this forum contemptuously calls Trump supporters) like Trump. Not because we are in awe of his rhetoric or think he’s perfect.
This is what is meant when they say he connects with the forgotten man, and I suppose also what is meant by “populism”. It’s not really liberal or conservative. It is for the interests of the people as opposed to the establishment elite. Right now the establishment elite is the Uniparty. Neither right nor left but a mash-up of socialism (communism lite) and fascism (corporate-government alliance) with the prime directive of oppressive control over the population.
We don’t really have a conservative party. Establishment GOP is the wing of the Uniparty that pretends to it. The Dems might as well call themselves communist at this point. And MAGA is populist.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on August 30, 2023, 12:55:35 PM
https://twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1696931890555429249
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 30, 2023, 03:04:30 PM
Yes, we can be upset for the way COVID was handled. I think it has been mentioned before that he was at the behest of Fauci and Birx for direction. Eventually he did catch on and went and sought advice elsewhere, unfortunately it was too late and the damage was done. Still, he got over 71M votes during a time when the economy was in the tank, unemployment was sky high, etc., etc.
I still like what I hear from Ramaswamy but I suspect Trump will be the nominee, unless the establishment class comes up with some way to ignore the voice of the people in the primaries.
Post by: Rush on August 30, 2023, 03:08:12 PM
Yep, Trump had faults. We can hope he has learned from them. Why he allowed the Democrats and Republicans to run the debt, I'll never understand. I can understand, but not entirely, allowing the stimulus money to be passed without vetoing it. He did his best to get the wall built. Got the tax code changed, allows me to file simply using the standard deduction minus the conflated formula for figuring out how much of our Social Security gets taxed. Maybe, just maybe, that will get repealed some day.
Yes, we can be upset for the way COVID was handled. I think it has been mentioned before that he was at the behest of Fauci and Birx for direction. Eventually he did catch on and went and sought advice elsewhere, unfortunately it was too late and the damage was done. Still, he got over 71M votes during a time when the economy was in the tank, unemployment was sky high, etc., etc.
I still like what I hear from Ramaswamy but I suspect Trump will be the nominee, unless the establishment class comes up with some way to ignore the voice of the people in the primaries.
I had no idea social security was taxed weirdly until I tried to figure out how my mother’s accountant came up with her tax amount. Mark and I haven’t turned on our SS yet.
Post by: Anthony on August 30, 2023, 04:04:14 PM
I had no idea social security was taxed weirdly until I tried to figure out how my mother’s accountant came up with her tax amount. Mark and I haven’t turned on our SS yet.
I turn 65 in January and have to sign up for Medicare starting three months prior so I have to start researching now or I pay a lifelong penalty if I'm not signed up by my 65th birthday.
I'm still going to work so not doing SS, but I don't know how my company provided Healthcare Insurance will work with Medicare. I'd like to use it as supplemental. Don't know if I can.
And I'm the youngest guy at the airport. ::)
Post by: Rush on August 30, 2023, 05:45:58 PM
I turn 65 in January and have to sign up for Medicare starting three months prior so I have to start researching now or I pay a lifelong penalty if I'm not signed up by my 65th birthday.
I'm still going to work so not doing SS, but I don't know how my company provided Healthcare Insurance will work with Medicare. I'd like to use it as supplemental. Don't know if I can.
And I'm the youngest guy at the airport. ::)
That’s exactly how you should do SS if you can still work. Delay turning on SS so you get a bigger benefit.
If you are working full time you might not be required to sign up for Medicare if you are fully covered by your employer, but there are qualifications you need to check. I forget maybe the employer needs to be a certain size or something. Later when you retire you will need a letter from the employer stating that you were fully covered, then Medicare won’t penalize you for signing up late.
Mark had the same situation. When he turned 65 he was still working and the company covered him, however, he went ahead and signed up for Medicare Part A. That’s the hospitalization part and has no premium so no reason not to, and your employer might require it anyway. Part B is doctor visits and stuff, and if your employer covers you, that part you can delay. Mark delayed part B until he retired. Then he got the appropriate paperwork from the employer and signed up for Part B.
Actually signing up is easy. If I remember correctly you sign up for Medicare through the Social Security website and there’s a point where you click “I am NOT signing up for social security but only Medicare” or something. Then you get your card in the mail and after that you go create an account on the Medicare website and that’s where you can pay premiums and look at claims and stuff.
Your employer will have to tell you how it works with them, if they will continue to fully cover you. If not, will their insurance be a secondary. It should.
I have a pension and insurance through my retirement and when I turned 65 I signed up for Part A and B and my retirement insurance became secondary. When Mark retired and signed up for Part B I brought him onto my policy so they’re his secondary also. Or each year we can choose instead to go with a Medicare Advantage plan which subsumes Medicare (you’re still covered by it but it is administered by the MA plan.)
If you don’t have a retirement pension that includes continuing coverage you will want to shop for a “Medigap” supplemental policy or a Medicare Advantage (MA) plan. Going with Medicare alone isn’t advised unless you’re just too poor to supplement.
Post by: Lucifer on August 30, 2023, 08:35:56 PM
Post by: Anthony on August 31, 2023, 05:38:27 AM
That’s exactly how you should do SS if you can still work. Delay turning on SS so you get a bigger benefit.
If you are working full time you might not be required to sign up for Medicare if you are fully covered by your employer, but there are qualifications you need to check. I forget maybe the employer needs to be a certain size or something. Later when you retire you will need a letter from the employer stating that you were fully covered, then Medicare won’t penalize you for signing up late.
Mark had the same situation. When he turned 65 he was still working and the company covered him, however, he went ahead and signed up for Medicare Part A. That’s the hospitalization part and has no premium so no reason not to, and your employer might require it anyway. Part B is doctor visits and stuff, and if your employer covers you, that part you can delay. Mark delayed part B until he retired. Then he got the appropriate paperwork from the employer and signed up for Part B.
Actually signing up is easy. If I remember correctly you sign up for Medicare through the Social Security website and there’s a point where you click “I am NOT signing up for social security but only Medicare” or something. Then you get your card in the mail and after that you go create an account on the Medicare website and that’s where you can pay premiums and look at claims and stuff.
Your employer will have to tell you how it works with them, if they will continue to fully cover you. If not, will their insurance be a secondary. It should.
I have a pension and insurance through my retirement and when I turned 65 I signed up for Part A and B and my retirement insurance became secondary. When Mark retired and signed up for Part B I brought him onto my policy so they’re his secondary also. Or each year we can choose instead to go with a Medicare Advantage plan which subsumes Medicare (you’re still covered by it but it is administered by the MA plan.)
If you don’t have a retirement pension that includes continuing coverage you will want to shop for a “Medigap” supplemental policy or a Medicare Advantage (MA) plan. Going with Medicare alone isn’t advised unless you’re just too poor to supplement.
Thanks Rush! That all makes sense.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on August 31, 2023, 06:07:57 AM
I've always been intrigued by why you should have to pay extra later for not wanting something now.
Post by: Rush on August 31, 2023, 07:14:24 AM
For what it's worth, when my wife went on disability she was put on Medicare, A & B, and money was deducted from her check for Part B, but she was covered under my work insurance. I asked her to look into and she did and had it stopped. They told here she would have to pay a penalty when she signed up again. Sure enough, when she did sign up again she had to pay more than me but only for a short period of time, then it went to the normal amount.
I've always been intrigued by why you should have to pay extra later for not wanting something now.
Because they lose the premiums in the interim and are trying to make up for it. I assume your wife was younger than 65 and that’s why the penalty wasn’t permanent? If you turn 65 and don’t sign up (or have other coverage with an employer) the penalty holds for the rest of your life. I guess the idea is as long as you are working you and your employer are paying the Medicare tax so the government isn’t losing out on the money, and they’re happy not to cover you and pay your medical expenses.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 02, 2023, 12:27:49 PM
Quote
“You were once a proud member of the MaineGeneral team. Would you consider rejoining us? We would be pleased to discuss options with you,” the facility told her in a text, per The Maine Wire.
Post by: Little Joe on September 02, 2023, 12:50:48 PM
https://www.westernjournal.com/hospital-fired-nurses-refusing-vaccines-now-begging-return/I suspect some will agree to come back,
IF they are paid back wages since their layoff.
Post by: Lucifer on September 04, 2023, 06:45:10 AM
Post by: Number7 on September 04, 2023, 07:01:03 AM
THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!!!!
The instant they started chanting the basic tenant of their religion, their argument was instantly lost.
The science is always evolving as the size of the knowledge grows.
The global warming / global cooling / climate change worshippers are no different than the leaders of the inquisition. Their religious 'truth' is so weak that the only way to control the flock is to shut down and punish all opposing views.
The less truth that is obvious in their religious dogma, the more virulent the attacks on climate change skeptics and heresy of their science.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 05, 2023, 01:57:46 PM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1699148808666366154
Post by: Little Joe on September 05, 2023, 02:00:32 PM
When are we going to put a mandatory retirement age on politicians?
I'm 71. I think 70 would be appropriate.
Post by: nddons on September 05, 2023, 02:09:57 PM
Don't know if this is related to COVID or if he just lost it and walked out.What. The. Fuck???
https://twitter.com/i/status/1699148808666366154
The only reason the 25th Amendment hasn’t already been used is one word: Kamala
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2023, 02:13:07 PM
Don't know if this is related to COVID or if he just lost it and walked out.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1699148808666366154
He heard an ice cream truck
Post by: nddons on September 05, 2023, 02:43:13 PM
Feinstein, McCarthy and now Biden.I think you mean McConnell.
When are we going to put a mandatory retirement age on politicians?
I'm 71. I think 70 would be appropriate.
Regardless, we have 16 members of Congress 80 or older, plus 1 president.
Feinstein - D - 89
Grassley - R - 89
Napolitano - D - 86
Norton - D - 85
Pascrell - D - 85
Rogers - R - 85
Waters - D - 85
Hoyer - D - 84
Pelosi - D - 83
Clyburn - D - 83
Sanders - I - 81
McConnell - R - 80
Davis - D - 81
Carter - R - 81
Eshoo - D - 80
Wilson - D - 80
Average age of the Senate is 64. Unbelievable.
Post by: Little Joe on September 05, 2023, 02:50:54 PM
I think you mean McConnell.Uh, yeah,
Which proves that I shouldn't be President, Senator or Congressman because I am over my recommended retirement age.
I would further refine my recommendation by saying that you can't run for office if you will exceed the mandatory retirement age by time your term is over. So 66 would be the maximum age to gain office.
Post by: Lucifer on September 05, 2023, 02:53:43 PM
Uh, yeah,
Which proves that I shouldn't be President, Senator or Congressman because I am over my recommended retirement age.
I would further refine my recommendation by saying that you can't run for office if you will exceed the mandatory retirement age by time your term is over. So 66 would be the maximum age to gain office.
Senators serve 6 years.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 05, 2023, 03:02:05 PM
Senators serve 6 years.To be on the safe side, no one over 30.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 05, 2023, 03:03:14 PM
I think you mean McConnell.Look at the difference between Feinstein and Grassley.
Regardless, we have 16 members of Congress 80 or older, plus 1 president.
Feinstein - D - 89
Grassley - R - 89
Napolitano - D - 86
Norton - D - 85
Pascrell - D - 85
Rogers - R - 85
Waters - D - 85
Hoyer - D - 84
Pelosi - D - 83
Clyburn - D - 83
Sanders - I - 81
McConnell - R - 80
Davis - D - 81
Carter - R - 81
Eshoo - D - 80
Wilson - D - 80
Average age of the Senate is 64. Unbelievable.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 05, 2023, 04:27:37 PM
Look at the difference between Feinstein and Grassley.Is their difference in their genes, lifestyle, or some of both?
Voters keep voting these people in, but that mechanism doesn't seem to satisfy some people.
Post by: Little Joe on September 05, 2023, 04:41:35 PM
Senators serve 6 years.See! Even more proof.
(I knew that).
Post by: Anthony on September 05, 2023, 06:01:30 PM
Post by: Rush on September 05, 2023, 06:13:17 PM
Even some Lefties are coming to the conclusion that EVs aren't the answer. They just don't fit the lifestyle of people that don't have a garage where they can charge overnight. Plus the range issue. The regime will force it with mileage or other Fascist edicts.
I cannot wrap my head around anybody wanting a car that when it runs out of fuel you can’t just fill a tank but you have to let it sit plugged in somewhere for hours, and it could blow up and burn down your house. Why would anyone want such a thing?
No offense if you have one…
Post by: nddons on September 06, 2023, 09:40:20 AM
I cannot wrap my head around anybody wanting a car that when it runs out of fuel you can’t just fill a tank but you have to let it sit plugged in somewhere for hours, and it could blow up and burn down your house. Why would anyone want such a thing?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230906/2c89dfb4aea561149c5fc8ade9c6ef43.jpg)
No offense if you have one…
Post by: Anthony on September 06, 2023, 11:01:40 AM
I cannot wrap my head around anybody wanting a car that when it runs out of fuel you can’t just fill a tank but you have to let it sit plugged in somewhere for hours, and it could blow up and burn down your house. Why would anyone want such a thing?
No offense if you have one…
Actually, my current situation, an EV would work nicely, as I have a garage to charge it. We'll except for the occasional, longer trip. So the EV would force me to have two cars or rent when I need to go farther. Most people can't afford that.
Post by: Rush on September 06, 2023, 11:13:57 AM
Actually, my current situation, an EV would work nicely, as I have a garage to charge it. We'll except for the occasional, longer trip. So the EV would force me to have two cars or rent when I need to go farther. Most people can't afford that.
Exactly. Even if you live in a city and never go far, don't you ever go on vacation? Or if you need to evacuate for any reason? The idea of not having a car to go a long distance to me is scary. I'd have to have two cars if one of them was EV.
Post by: elwood blues on September 06, 2023, 12:13:06 PM
Exactly. Even if you live in a city and never go far, don't you ever go on vacation? Or if you need to evacuate for any reason? The idea of not having a car to go a long distance to me is scary. I'd have to have two cars if one of them was EV.
Sometimes vacation is camping in the backcountry. You can't do that with an EV. Gas powered with a couple of jerry cans, please.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 06, 2023, 12:45:53 PM
Sometimes vacation is camping in the backcountry. You can't do that with an EV. Gas powered with a couple of jerry cans, please.I've read that there are people who camp in their EVs. I had not really paid attention to how well that works, so went looking for real-world reports and found some:
https://www.andreaference.com/blog/tesla-camp-mode-how-to-comfortably-sleep-in-your-tesla-model-y (https://www.andreaference.com/blog/tesla-camp-mode-how-to-comfortably-sleep-in-your-tesla-model-y)
https://insideevs.com/features/404435/video-camping-tesla-shelby-church/ (https://insideevs.com/features/404435/video-camping-tesla-shelby-church/)
https://roadtrippers.com/magazine/car-camping-in-a-tesla/ (https://roadtrippers.com/magazine/car-camping-in-a-tesla/)
And there are a bunch of videos on youtube showing people's experience, good and bad.
Post by: Lucifer on September 06, 2023, 12:51:07 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 06, 2023, 12:57:03 PM
Are any EV's powered by covid?EVs and Covid have government dictates in common, thanks to claims of impending crisis by authoritarians.
Post by: Lucifer on September 06, 2023, 01:45:14 PM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 06, 2023, 02:29:22 PM
What a joke. We’re supposed to jam those up against our mouth and nose when told to. No.
Post by: nddons on September 06, 2023, 02:33:54 PM
https://cdn.videy.co/0LYZKvh1.mp4It’s disgusting. I like when you went to the hospital during covid and didn’t have a mask, you could reach into a box that everyone touched to grab a mask. No thank you.
What a joke. We’re supposed to jam those up against our mouth and nose when told to. No.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 06, 2023, 02:46:42 PM
https://cdn.videy.co/0LYZKvh1.mp4No one way in hell is that how millions of masks are actually produced. This is the reality:
What a joke. We’re supposed to jam those up against our mouth and nose when told to. No.
This has another video of a real face mask factory in operation:
https://www.amazon.com/live/video/60517a14d2334481870f0e65922131f3?ref_=asvh_vdp (https://www.amazon.com/live/video/60517a14d2334481870f0e65922131f3?ref_=asvh_vdp)
Post by: nddons on September 06, 2023, 02:54:25 PM
No one way in hell is that how millions of masks are actually produced. This is the reality:Unless you buy American, you’ll never know.
This has another video of a real face mask factory in operation:
https://www.amazon.com/live/video/60517a14d2334481870f0e65922131f3?ref_=asvh_vdp (https://www.amazon.com/live/video/60517a14d2334481870f0e65922131f3?ref_=asvh_vdp)
Post by: nddons on September 06, 2023, 02:59:58 PM
Post by: Rush on September 06, 2023, 03:08:23 PM
Unless you buy American, you’ll never know.
Well that’s the thing. “Counterfeit” products are a real thing. I was just victimized by one. I ordered a major brand of AREDS vitamins from Amazon. My husband and I have been using them since January. Just last week I got notified by Amazon that they had all been counterfeit and I should stop using them and throw the remainder out. I threw the remainder out but we’ve both been taking them all year! Maybe they’re not poison and aren’t hurting us but maybe they aren’t vitamins either and doing nothing for us. These are the vitamins that you take to lower your risk of macular degeneration!
Amazon gave me a full refund and canceled the accounts of the two sellers but I’m sure it’s a constant battle. They’ll just create new accounts. I’m ordering “sold by Amazon” now instead of from a third party. I hope that lowers the chance of it being a counterfeit product.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 06, 2023, 04:30:44 PM
No one way in hell is that how millions of masks are actually produced. This is the reality:What a nice video! I’m sure all masks are carefully and cleanly made that way.
This has another video of a real face mask factory in operation:
https://www.amazon.com/live/video/60517a14d2334481870f0e65922131f3?ref_=asvh_vdp (https://www.amazon.com/live/video/60517a14d2334481870f0e65922131f3?ref_=asvh_vdp)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 06, 2023, 04:39:01 PM
What else did I have to do? I watched stuff.
The only time I ever saw a mask was in the operating room.
NO ONE else in the entire place, that I saw, wore a mask. Not the nurses, not the doctors, not the visitors, not the patients, not the people who brought food, not the lady who came in and cleaned the room.
No one.
Only in the operating room.
Fuck masks, except in operating rooms. Change my mind.
Oh, and I’m fine if people WANT to wear a mask. But everyone having to wear one is a total scam.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 06, 2023, 04:41:40 PM
What a nice video! I’m sure all masks are carefully and cleanly made that way.Obviously not all, but those hand-made masks would be produced in the mere thousands at best and probably ended up in the same country they were produced - probably in the same town they were made. Masks were mass produced in the hundreds of millions per day during the pandemic.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 06, 2023, 04:45:03 PM
Fuck masks, except in operating rooms. Change my mind.There were studies done years ago that were unable to show that masks provided any protection to either the doctors or the patients. So they are probably not even useful in operating rooms.
Post by: Lucifer on September 06, 2023, 04:47:27 PM
Obviously not all, but those hand-made masks would be produced in the mere thousands at best and probably ended up in the same country they were produced - probably in the same town they were made. Masks were mass produced in the hundreds of millions per day during the pandemic.
You are so naïve.
There are thousands of these sweatshops all over the third world. And they produce for pennies what the big producers sell for dollars.
And these third world sweatshops sell to the US to retailers who sell to compete with the bigger manufactures. Think buyers are concerned with where it comes from or the price they pay? I know the answer.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 06, 2023, 04:47:53 PM
Well that’s the thing. “Counterfeit” products are a real thing. I was just victimized by one. I ordered a major brand of AREDS vitamins from Amazon. My husband and I have been using them since January. Just last week I got notified by Amazon that they had all been counterfeit and I should stop using them and throw the remainder out. I threw the remainder out but we’ve both been taking them all year! Maybe they’re not poison and aren’t hurting us but maybe they aren’t vitamins either and doing nothing for us. These are the vitamins that you take to lower your risk of macular degeneration!That’s terrible. Sadly, it confirms my new motto which is Trust Nothing. It used to be Trust But Verify, but verifying often is impossible, really.
Amazon gave me a full refund and canceled the accounts of the two sellers but I’m sure it’s a constant battle. They’ll just create new accounts. I’m ordering “sold by Amazon” now instead of from a third party. I hope that lowers the chance of it being a counterfeit product.
I take Life Extension MacuGard, but have no idea if it’s what it says it is.
Post by: Lucifer on September 06, 2023, 04:50:31 PM
There were studies done years ago that were unable to show that masks provided any protection to either the doctors or the patients. So they are probably not even useful in operating rooms.
Mask are used in the operating room to keep contaminates to a minimum (hair, nose hair, human saliva, nose mucas, etc)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 06, 2023, 04:57:04 PM
Mask are used in the operating room to keep contaminates to a minimum (hair, nose hair, human saliva, nose mucas, etc)Exactly. They’ve been used for decades, are called surgical masks, and are made from cotton and so are easily washable and reusable.
Post by: Rush on September 06, 2023, 04:58:32 PM
Mask are used in the operating room to keep contaminates to a minimum (hair, nose hair, human saliva, nose mucas, etc)
I guess if you’re leaning over someone’s open belly you don’t really want to drop spit into it.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 06, 2023, 06:11:14 PM
Mask are used in the operating room to keep contaminates to a minimum (hair, nose hair, human saliva, nose mucas, etc)The claim by doctors and others in the medical profession were saying the masks reduced spread of bacteria and therefore infections, not the contaminates you mention. The scientific evidence seems to get reviewed every few years and still comes up short:
In 2013:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK195765/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK195765/)
"The use of surgical face masks by staff in the operating room is presumed to reduce the frequency of surgical site infections. The evidence identified and included in this report finds no evidence basis for this presumption."
In 2021:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590170221000248 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590170221000248)
"The results indicate no difference in surgical site infections between mask and maskless operations."
Post by: Number7 on September 06, 2023, 06:15:21 PM
Just ssying.
However, a single person driving in a car with the windows closed wearing their face diaper is still as stupid as thinking selling carbon credits will somehow lower the earth temperature.
Post by: Lucifer on September 06, 2023, 06:25:03 PM
The claim by doctors and others in the medical profession were saying the masks reduced spread of bacteria and therefore infections, not the contaminates you mention. The scientific evidence seems to get reviewed every few years and still comes up short:
In 2013:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK195765/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK195765/)
"The use of surgical face masks by staff in the operating room is presumed to reduce the frequency of surgical site infections. The evidence identified and included in this report finds no evidence basis for this presumption."
In 2021:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590170221000248 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590170221000248)
"The results indicate no difference in surgical site infections between mask and maskless operations."
Jim
What carries the bacteria?
Geez.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 06, 2023, 06:39:04 PM
JimThe studies were vector neutral, so that question is moot.
What carries the bacteria?
Geez.
Post by: nddons on September 06, 2023, 06:39:56 PM
I guess if you’re leaning over someone’s open belly you don’t really want to drop spit into it.Unless the patient is a democrat.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 06, 2023, 07:09:07 PM
The claim by doctors and others in the medical profession were saying the masks reduced spread of bacteria and therefore infections, not the contaminates you mention. The scientific evidence seems to get reviewed every few years and still comes up short:Great! Surgeons can breathe freely now like the rest of us. So I guess we’re down to really only needing a mask when working with a sander or in other situations where actual particles of some thing, that is hazardous to breathe in, are airborne.
In 2013:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK195765/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK195765/)
"The use of surgical face masks by staff in the operating room is presumed to reduce the frequency of surgical site infections. The evidence identified and included in this report finds no evidence basis for this presumption."
In 2021:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590170221000248 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590170221000248)
"The results indicate no difference in surgical site infections between mask and maskless operations."
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 06, 2023, 07:51:54 PM
Great! Surgeons can breathe freely now like the rest of us. So I guess we’re down to really only needing a mask when working with a sander or in other situations where actual particles of some thing, that is hazardous to breathe in, are airborne.Funny you mention sanding - my wife and I spent many hours sanding our back deck and we used masks to avoid breathing in dust. We tried those blue masks that were sold to protect against Covid and still ended up with wood dust in our noses. Not as much as we would with no mask, but still got enough. Then used the more expensive 3M N95 masks and they did better, but still had a small bit of dust in the nose.
Post by: elwood blues on September 06, 2023, 08:12:15 PM
Masks are used in the operating room to keep contaminates to a minimum (hair, nose hair, human saliva, nose, mucus, etc.).
You cleverly left out which direction the contaminates are going.
I think the real reason is to keep the contaminates like blood splatter, mucus, and saliva off the doctor's face.
Post by: Rush on September 07, 2023, 03:41:15 AM
You cleverly left out which direction the contaminates are going.
I think the real reason is to keep the contaminates like blood splatter, mucus, and saliva off the doctor's face.
That is also true and sometimes they use face shields or goggles if the patient is HIV + or some other nasty contagious disease.
Post by: Bamaflyer on September 07, 2023, 03:44:18 AM
"Let me explain to the press - I've been tested again today. I'm clear across the board," Biden stated, mask in hand. "But they keep telling me, because this has to be 10 days or something, I've got to keep wearing it."
"But don't tell them I didn't have it on when I walked in," he also said.
https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2023/09/06/watch-joe-biden-accidentally-blows-up-white-houses-mask-narratives-with-one-sentence-n2163508
Post by: Rush on September 07, 2023, 03:58:49 AM
The claim by doctors and others in the medical profession were saying the masks reduced spread of bacteria and therefore infections, not the contaminates you mention. The scientific evidence seems to get reviewed every few years and still comes up short:
In 2013:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK195765/ (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK195765/)
"The use of surgical face masks by staff in the operating room is presumed to reduce the frequency of surgical site infections. The evidence identified and included in this report finds no evidence basis for this presumption."
In 2021:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590170221000248 (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590170221000248)
"The results indicate no difference in surgical site infections between mask and maskless operations."
Surgeons fight infection so aggressively now it’s possible this is now true but wasn’t in the early years. With my hip replacement they did all these things:
1. I took oral antibiotics beginning days before surgery and continuing a week after.
2. I had to put antibiotic ointment up my nose for a few days before surgery.
3. I had to scrub the surgical area with antiseptic soap a few times before surgery.
4. After the joint replacement but before he sewed me up the doctor injected antibiotic solution directly into the tissues around the area (as well as morphine bless his heart).
5. He placed a silver ion dressing on the incision (silver has antibiotic properties).
6. After dressing removal when I was allowed to shower I had to wash with the antiseptic soap until staples were removed.
7. I will have to take antibiotics now before any dental work for the rest of my life.
In the earliest days of surgery they didn’t even wash their hands between patients because they didn’t understand germs. When they figured that out they started implementing techniques to improve the cleanliness of operating rooms and I guess the idea of keeping things “sterile” around the operative field was born. I suppose at some point masks became popular for that reason and maybe they did help for a while.
I dunno, just guessing.
Post by: Anthony on September 07, 2023, 04:34:37 AM
Biden Accidentally Blows up White House Mask Narrative With One Sentence
"Let me explain to the press - I've been tested again today. I'm clear across the board," Biden stated, mask in hand. "But they keep telling me, because this has to be 10 days or something, I've got to keep wearing it."
"But don't tell them I didn't have it on when I walked in," he also said.
https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2023/09/06/watch-joe-biden-accidentally-blows-up-white-houses-mask-narratives-with-one-sentence-n2163508
This was a SCAM from the beginning and most of us here knew it right away. Biden just, once again, confirmed it. What an asshole.
Post by: Rush on September 07, 2023, 05:39:28 AM
This was a SCAM from the beginning and most of us here knew it right away. Biden just, once again, confirmed it. What an asshole.
High IQ people are able to project consequences into the future. We knew the damage they would cause. Those who thought lockdowns and masks were a good idea that outweighed the negative consequences (which are dire) are either literally stupid (low IQ) or willfully sadistic and wishing to destroy our economy.
As Becky says, change my mind.
Post by: Username on September 07, 2023, 06:25:28 AM
I guess if you’re leaning over someone’s open belly you don’t really want to drop spit into it.However, Junior Mints have been proven to be beneficial.
Post by: nddons on September 07, 2023, 06:53:43 AM
However, Junior Mints have been proven to be beneficial.Kramer!!
Post by: Number7 on September 07, 2023, 07:34:15 AM
The interesting thing is the the fucking moron criminals at the corrupt fda HAD to go after Ivermectin, or the emergency authorization that turned out so profitably for the fucking scum bag bastard fauci, wouldn't have been legally enacted.
That fucking moronic, bastard was the instrument in a lot of deaths that were totally unnecessary. No wonder liberal assholes love him so much.
An international study has concluded that Ivermectin prevented more serious illness in approximately 62% of cases. See the Gateway Pundit article referenced above, and find this fabulous line: "There have now been 99 Ivermectin COVID-19 controlled studies that show a 62% improvement in COVID patients." Think of the number of ventilator hours saved, and the number of hospital beds that could have been freed up with even a 50% effective rate.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/09/the_real_reason_the_government_panned_ivermectin.html
Post by: Lucifer on September 07, 2023, 07:49:45 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 07, 2023, 09:16:13 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 07, 2023, 10:59:11 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 07, 2023, 11:00:56 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 07, 2023, 11:21:56 AM
Post by: Rush on September 07, 2023, 11:44:54 AM
https://twitter.com/Shawn_Farash/status/1699208752606347271
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 07, 2023, 11:48:06 AM
This guy is on fire! Sorry about those of you who can't watch Twitter. I can't find this video on YouTube or rumble. Apparently he's uploading most of his recent stuff only on Twitter.Amen, Shawn!
https://twitter.com/Shawn_Farash/status/1699208752606347271
Post by: Rush on September 07, 2023, 11:50:09 AM
Amen, Shawn!
yeah, I'm starting to love that guy.
Post by: Anthony on September 07, 2023, 12:17:30 PM
I played the video just so I could look at her.
Post by: Lucifer on September 08, 2023, 06:25:17 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 08, 2023, 06:26:59 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 08, 2023, 06:27:46 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 08, 2023, 06:30:56 AM
Post by: elwood blues on September 08, 2023, 08:15:56 PM
I've read that there are people who camp in their EVs. I had not really paid attention to how well that works, so went looking for real-world reports and found some:
https://www.andreaference.com/blog/tesla-camp-mode-how-to-comfortably-sleep-in-your-tesla-model-y (https://www.andreaference.com/blog/tesla-camp-mode-how-to-comfortably-sleep-in-your-tesla-model-y)
https://insideevs.com/features/404435/video-camping-tesla-shelby-church/ (https://insideevs.com/features/404435/video-camping-tesla-shelby-church/)
https://roadtrippers.com/magazine/car-camping-in-a-tesla/ (https://roadtrippers.com/magazine/car-camping-in-a-tesla/)
And there are a bunch of videos on youtube showing people's experience, good and bad.
No. That's camping in California, or Virginia, or Vermont. I'm talking about the middle of nowhere in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, or Nevada where the nearest town is 70 miles away and most certainly does not have a charging station.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 08, 2023, 08:58:22 PM
No. That's camping in California, or Virginia, or Vermont. I'm talking about the middle of nowhere in Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, or Nevada where the nearest town is 70 miles away and most certainly does not have a charging station.Yeah, those would be tough. Wyoming is pretty tough to cross in an EV but I have seen Teslas on the road there - last year somewhere near Thermopolis. Doubt they'd have the spare juice to camp a night and make it to the next charge station. Even gas stations are scarce. I wouldn't mind another road trip up to Alaska (done about 12 years ago,) but impossible with EV because they haven't got any charge stations listed on the Alcan last I checked.
Post by: Anthony on September 09, 2023, 02:50:22 AM
Yeah, those would be tough. Wyoming is pretty tough to cross in an EV but I have seen Teslas on the road there - last year somewhere near Thermopolis. Doubt they'd have the spare juice to camp a night and make it to the next charge station. Even gas stations are scarce. I wouldn't mind another road trip up to Alaska (done about 12 years ago,) but impossible with EV because they haven't got any charge stations listed on the Alcan last I checked.
I used to off road when I lived in Colorado with my TJ Wrangler and had a 5 gallon Jerry can of gasoline attached to the back because we'd get out there. Can't do that with an EV.
It's becoming painfully obvious that EVs aren't selling and auto makers are STUCK WITH THEM ROTTING. Too bad, so sad. Assholes.
Post by: Little Joe on September 09, 2023, 05:18:12 AM
I used to off road when I lived in Colorado with my TJ Wrangler and had a 5 gallon Jerry can of gasoline attached to the back because we'd get out there. Can't do that with an EV.Are you aware that the Tesla model Y is the best selling car in the WORLD?
It's becoming painfully obvious that EVs aren't selling and auto makers are STUCK WITH THEM ROTTING. Too bad, so sad. Assholes.
Post by: Rush on September 09, 2023, 05:33:39 AM
The United States is VAST and many of us live where you must drive long lonely miles. I’ve had several of my east coast city dwelling relatives tell me they’re visiting someone in Texas and they’ll just “swing by” and see me too. Until I enlighten them about how it’s a whole day or two travel between that part of Texas and my part. And that’s just one state.
EVs are not appropriate at all for the vast majority of U.S. territory.
Post by: Lucifer on September 09, 2023, 06:08:35 AM
Are you aware that the Tesla model Y is the best selling car in the WORLD?
#4 in the USA
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/
Post by: Anthony on September 09, 2023, 07:02:20 AM
Are you aware that the Tesla model Y is the best selling car in the WORLD?
Are you aware that EVs only make up a few percent of all vehicle sales? Even with Government subsidies. If they were viable, they wouldn't need subsidies.
Post by: Rush on September 09, 2023, 07:25:03 AM
Are you aware that EVs only make up a few percent of all vehicle sales? Even with Government subsidies. If they were viable, they wouldn't need subsidies.
“If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it.”
-Ronaldus Magnus
This is one of my many problems with RFK Jr. He says environmental goals should be met with the free market. He said “I am a free market absolutist, I do not believe in top down mandates.” So far so good. Then he goes on to say, “Environmental goals can be met using the free market by subsidizing them.”
SMDH.
Still better than Biden.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 09, 2023, 07:43:25 AM
Still better than Biden.
a rotting steaming pile of horse manure is better than that clown.
(too subtle?)
Post by: Little Joe on September 09, 2023, 09:12:26 AM
Are you aware that EVs only make up a few percent of all vehicle sales? Even with Government subsidies. If they were viable, they wouldn't need subsidies.They don't need subsidies. Politicians place subsidies on them trying to buy votes.
Tesla thrived way before subsidies based on the merits of his cars.
Post by: Little Joe on September 09, 2023, 09:21:41 AM
I don’t know why the EV pushers (and when the battery’s dead you’ll literally be pushing it) can’t grasp the concept of differing environments.Most EV owners I know grasp that completely. Any and every EV owner I know will tell you that EVs are not right for everyone nor for every mission. But EV haters will say the have to pull a 10 ton trailer up a 100 mile mountain with no chargers, therefore EVs suck.
Quote
Euro trash and blue city dwellers think the whole world lives in a 15 minute city where you walk everywhere, use public transportation, or drive short distances where they’ve put charging stations in your Starbucks parking lot.Balderdash. I could drive an EV 200 miles a day and charge it up in my garage every night and NEVER have to visit a gas station. You HAVE to go to a gas station EVERY time you tank runs low. Who the heck wants to do that?
Quote
The United States is VAST and many of us live where you must drive long lonely miles. I’ve had several of my east coast city dwelling relatives tell me they’re visiting someone in Texas and they’ll just “swing by” and see me too. Until I enlighten them about how it’s a whole day or two travel between that part of Texas and my part. And that’s just one state.Texas can be a whole days drive for ICE cars too. Can you name a single city that you cannot drive to in a day in an EV in Texas?
Quote
EVs are not appropriate at all for the vast majority of U.S. territory.That is no longer true, and the situations where it does apply are becoming more and more rare as the charging infrastructure matures.
I don't own an EV yet but I think it would be so cool to own a car that never has to go to a gas station and that has better performance than a Porsche.
I agree that EVs are not for everyone, but why do people feel they have to belittle others because they like the advantages of an EV?
I think the only thing we agree on is that incentives and mandates suck and are not necessary.
Post by: nddons on September 09, 2023, 09:38:24 AM
Are you aware that the Tesla model Y is the best selling car in the WORLD?There are a lot of city dwellers who don’t travel more than 50 miles a week. It’s probably perfect for them. But here in flyover country, you probably couldn’t drive from Chicago to MInneapolis without finding a charge somewhere in between.
Post by: Lucifer on September 09, 2023, 09:42:43 AM
Most EV owners I know grasp that completely. Any and every EV owner I know will tell you that EVs are not right for everyone nor for every mission. But EV haters will say the have to pull a 10 ton trailer up a 100 mile mountain with no chargers, therefore EVs suck.
Balderdash. I could drive an EV 200 miles a day and charge it up in my garage every night and NEVER have to visit a gas station. You HAVE to go to a gas station EVERY time you tank runs low. Who the heck wants to do that?
Texas can be a whole days drive for ICE cars too. Can you name a single city that you cannot drive to in a day in an EV in Texas?
That is no longer true, and the situations where it does apply are becoming more and more rare as the charging infrastructure matures.
I don't own an EV yet but I think it would be so cool to own a car that never has to go to a gas station and that has better performance than a Porsche.
I agree that EVs are not for everyone, but why do people feel they have to belittle others because they like the advantages of an EV?
I think the only thing we agree on is that incentives and mandates suck and are not necessary.
When the cost of charging is factored in, EV's cost more than buying petrol for an ICE auto. When I stop at a gas station on a trip, I can fuel and be on my way in 10 minutes. Not so for a EV.
Drive from Houston TX to El Paso TX in an EV type vehicle. That's roughly 746 miles. In one of my ICE cars that means one fuel stop. Do that trip in an EV means 2 to 3 stops to charge. And with fewer charging stations, means typically waiting in line, then a lengthy charge time. So that trip would be roughly 10 hours in a ICE auto and 13+ hours in an EV.
Post by: Little Joe on September 09, 2023, 09:53:58 AM
When the cost of charging is factored in, EV's cost more than buying petrol for an ICE auto. When I stop at a gas station on a trip, I can fuel and be on my way in 10 minutes. Not so for a EV.
Drive from Houston TX to El Paso TX in an EV type vehicle. That's roughly 746 miles. In one of my ICE cars that means one fuel stop. Do that trip in an EV means 2 to 3 stops to charge. And with fewer charging stations, means typically waiting in line, then a lengthy charge time. So that trip would be roughly 10 hours in a ICE auto and 13+ hours in an EV.
It would probably take more than 3 stops in an EV just because of battery charge maintenance concerns.
And if someone makes that kind of drive on a very regular basis, then an EV is probably not the right choice. But if you only do it a few times a year, then it is no big sacrifice.
Even though long road trips were fun when I was a kid, I don't want to spend 10 hours straight in a car any more. I like to get out and stretch my legs once in a while.
Here is one example of that route in an EV:
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 09, 2023, 10:11:09 AM
My youngest son owns a Kia EV. Last week we were in Charlotte for a soccer event Saturday and Sunday, they drove the ICE vehicle.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 09, 2023, 10:16:04 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 09, 2023, 10:18:20 AM
They don't need subsidies. Politicians place subsidies on them trying to buy votes.
Tesla thrived way before subsidies based on the merits of his cars.
Again, then why aren't people buying EVs at a much higher rate? They're subsidized because MOST won't sell otherwise. Btw. I'm not a hater. I'd love to have an EV if I also had another ICE vehicle.
Post by: Little Joe on September 09, 2023, 10:26:09 AM
How about all those that live in apartment complexes with nothing but a parking spot or live in the city with no garage available to them? Lots of places where EVs are not necessarily practical.Simple. Those people shouldn't buy an EV yet.
Post by: Little Joe on September 09, 2023, 10:36:16 AM
Again, then why aren't people buying EVs at a much higher rate?Other than Tesla, Rivian and a few others, most EV manufacturers are tripping over themselves over promising and under delivering.
For now,
- There is not enough charging capacity for everyone to own an EV. But that is changing.
- Battery technology is emerging (at an amazing pace). I don't own an EV yet, but when SS batteries become available I might not be able to resist much longer.
I love the idea of EVs, but the technology is nowhere near ready to support everyone owning an EV. But somebody has to be first.
Quote
They're subsidized because MOST won't sell otherwise.No, subsidies are purely political.
Quote
btw. I'm not a hater. I'd love to have an EV if I also had another ICE vehicle.I'd venture to say that most families (even with just two people) already have two or more cars. There is almost no valid reason that one of them couldn't be an EV.
That doesn't mean that I think every family SHOULD have an EV whether they want one or not, but there are few valid reasons not to, other than choice. And nobody seems to care about that (personal choice) any more. Everyone seems to think that their choice should be imposed on everyone else.
Post by: Anthony on September 09, 2023, 10:41:35 AM
Other than Tesla, Rivian and a few others, most EV manufacturers are tripping over themselves over promising and under delivering.
For now,
- There is not enough charging capacity for everyone to own an EV. But that is changing.
- Battery technology is emerging (at an amazing pace). I don't own an EV yet, but when SS batteries become available I might not be able to resist much longer.
I love the idea of EVs, but the technology is nowhere near ready to support everyone owning an EV. But somebody has to be first.
No, subsidies are purely political.
I'd venture to say that most families (even with just two people) already have two or more cars. There is almost no valid reason that one of them couldn't be an EV.
That doesn't mean that I think every family SHOULD have an EV whether they want one or not, but there are few valid reasons not to, other than choice. And nobody seems to care about that (personal choice) any more. Everyone seems to think that their choice should be imposed on everyone else.
No, you're Government and the Corporations are the ones taking away people's choices. I don't care what you buy. Just don't force me to subsidize YOURS, then force me to buy one.
Post by: Little Joe on September 09, 2023, 10:41:47 AM
I’m thinking about a plug-in hybrid- best of both worlds and the worst of both worldsI'm thinking about that too.
People tend to underestimate the efficiency and reliability of ICE cars these days. But ICE cars still have to go the the damn gas station EVERY time they empty their tank, whereas an EV may never have to go the
Post by: Rush on September 09, 2023, 10:44:54 AM
Most EV owners I know grasp that completely. Any and every EV owner I know will tell you that EVs are not right for everyone nor for every mission.
I carefully said EV pushers, not EV owners. Like the holier than thou globalists who fly private jets all over the world but want to imprison us in soviet bloc housing and remote control our heat and A/C because "climate change".
Post by: Little Joe on September 09, 2023, 10:46:13 AM
No, you're Government and the Corporations are the ones taking away people's choices. I don't care what you buy. Just don't force me to subsidize YOURS, then force me to buy one.What do you mean by "you're Government"?
And can you point out a single time I said I was for mandates or subsidies? I can probably find a half dozen times where I said I was against both.
But it is the anti-EV folks that deride people that do want an EV. I shouldn't have to defend myself if I want a car that fits my needs better, has better performance and is cheaper to drive, and that I never have to take to a gas station.
It would make more sense for me to have to defend why I fly a lead burning airplane that has fewer refueling points that EVs.
Post by: Lucifer on September 09, 2023, 10:52:12 AM
And most ICE cars just aren't as much fun to drive as most EVs.
That's just your opinion. How many EV's have you actually driven?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 09, 2023, 10:59:08 AM
Most EV owners I know grasp that completely. Any and every EV owner I know will tell you that EVs are not right for everyone nor for every mission. But EV haters will say the have to pull a 10 ton trailer up a 100 mile mountain with no chargers, therefore EVs suck.
Balderdash. I could drive an EV 200 miles a day and charge it up in my garage every night and NEVER have to visit a gas station. You HAVE to go to a gas station EVERY time you tank runs low. Who the heck wants to do that?
Texas can be a whole days drive for ICE cars too. Can you name a single city that you cannot drive to in a day in an EV in Texas?
That is no longer true, and the situations where it does apply are becoming more and more rare as the charging infrastructure matures.
I don't own an EV yet but I think it would be so cool to own a car that never has to go to a gas station and that has better performance than a Porsche.
I agree that EVs are not for everyone, but why do people feel they have to belittle others because they like the advantages of an EV?
I think the only thing we agree on is that incentives and mandates suck and are not necessary.
You’re once again shoving people into a category that fits your argument. “EV haters.” How about people who just question things and examine things? It’s just like saying if we don’t want one vaccine we reject them all. A sort of Steingar approach. Not everyone who questions EVs does what you wrote. Especially the belittling part. That’s your thin skin showing.
Perhaps going to a gas station isn’t torture for everyone as it apparently is for you. However, it isn’t out of the realm of possibility that the government could shut down gas stations to save us from climate change, or raise the price of gas so high we’re forced to use other options. Then we’ll remember fondly the days when we could go to a gas station. The truth is that while EVs are an option now, they’re perfectly poised to be a requirement, like electric ranges not gas ones. In fact, our idiot Governor has proclaimed decrees of all kinds around the EV issue, hamstringing everything he can that has to do with gasoline powered cars.
I propose to resist EVs as long as I can, but have no plans to belittle anyone who wants have one, and charge it in their garage or anywhere else on a power grid that is vulnerable and variable. And in some states, often overloaded.
What you think is “cool” may well have been so in another era. But now one has to think about what I wrote in the paragraph above about real-world consequences having to do with energy sources and personal autonomy to travel.
I do notice too, that in my area all the charging station are restricted to Teslas only. Do you approve of monopolies, as we saw for example when big box stores were “allowed” to stay open while smaller stores were considered infectious and must be closed? This showed us all that the aim is to transform everything (hospitals, stores, media, banks, even medical practices) into a giant, connected entity that is more easily controlled by big government than are a lot of smaller entities. Are they heading for one EV maker only?
Just musing.
Post by: nddons on September 09, 2023, 11:11:57 AM
#4 in the USAHa! I love that the first three vehicles are full-sized pickups (with the F-150 on top) and 870,012 pickups were sold compared the the #4 Tesla at 190,500 sold.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars-2023/
Merica!!
Post by: nddons on September 09, 2023, 11:30:48 AM
I agree that EVs are not for everyone, but why do people feel they have to belittle others because they like the advantages of an EV?
I think the only thing we agree on is that incentives and mandates suck and are not necessary.
I think we feel furious in belittling EVs because they are being forced down our throats. Combine the promises for an all electric military, fighting the internal combustion engine and destroying the affordability of fuel, canceling oil leases, etc., and we are getting sick of having the government FORCE SHIT ON US.
The record is clear: low flow toilets, incandescent light bulbs, unreasonable mileage mandates, shitty washing machines, and most recently the threat to eliminate ceiling fans and gas ranges, all lead to the conclusion that FedGov won’t wait for the marketplace to make changes - they will force it, even without adequate replacements. It’s only a matter of time before EVs get mandated. Well fuck that.
Post by: Number7 on September 09, 2023, 11:34:43 AM
It is a stupid solution to a non-existent problem, which democrat communists are famous for creating.
Post by: Number7 on September 09, 2023, 11:37:59 AM
Yes, I am in between in that I want unbiased facts. I may be very opinionated but always want to know the truth.
Is is very frustrating that such plain facts are extremely hard to find these days. Everyone has an agenda, everyone is biased in the extreme and we are split into two separate universes of reality. Covid has been hopelessly corrupted by politicization to the point that we may never know the truth. History is being recorded with biased, polluted opinions instead of facts.
The virus whores have obscured any relationship between facts and bullshit to the point that I don't trust anything anymore.
Post by: Anthony on September 09, 2023, 03:35:27 PM
What do you mean by "you're Government"?
And can you point out a single time I said I was for mandates or subsidies? I can probably find a half dozen times where I said I was against both.
But it is the anti-EV folks that deride people that do want an EV. I shouldn't have to defend myself if I want a car that fits my needs better, has better performance and is cheaper to drive, and that I never have to take to a gas station.
It would make more sense for me to have to defend why I fly a lead burning airplane that has fewer refueling points that EVs.
I'm fine with you buying an EV. I may get one also. So I really don't know where you're coming from.
Endeavor to persevere Joe.
Post by: Lucifer on September 09, 2023, 03:48:27 PM
I'm fine with you buying an EV. I may get one also. So I really don't know where you're coming from.
Endeavor to persevere Joe.
I don't want one, not now, not ever. It doesn't serve any purpose for me, and I'm not buying the hype.
Post by: nddons on September 09, 2023, 04:46:18 PM
I don't want one, not now, not ever. It doesn't serve any purpose for me, and I'm not buying the hype.And I think the ecological and geopolitical damage from battery production is being hidden from literally everyone in order to further the Green New Deal narrative.
Post by: Number7 on September 09, 2023, 07:26:56 PM
When the facts fail to support the bullshit, they never seem to be a priority.
Post by: Anthony on September 10, 2023, 03:02:38 AM
I don't want one, not now, not ever. It doesn't serve any purpose for me, and I'm not buying the hype.
I drive maybe 20 miles a day typically. I could charge it overnight in my garage. It suits 90% of my mission requirements. I'm not getting one in the foreseeable future as I don't want to keep two cars and if it pisses off the Democrats, I don't have one, all the better.
Post by: Little Joe on September 10, 2023, 03:39:13 AM
I'm not getting one in the foreseeable future as I don't want to keep two cars and if it pisses off the Democrats, I don't have one, all the better.That's probably the most honest answer I have heard yet.
I don't give a shit if it pisses off the Democrats or not. I do and say plenty to piss them off as it is.
And I don't give a shit if lithium mines fuck up all of China, Mexico or Australia.
I just like the way EVs drive and handle. I like the low maintenance and the idea of starting every day with a "full tank" without having to go to a gas station.
It doesn't make sense to make it a political and try to hide behind a bunch of obscure situations where an EV is not appropriate for you. If it's not appropriate for you, then don't buy an EV.
The only thing I'll concede to the anti-EV folks is that subsidies and mandates suck. And that goes for mandating the military convert to all-electric.
Post by: Rush on September 10, 2023, 05:04:59 AM
I think we feel furious in belittling EVs because they are being forced down our throats. Combine the promises for an all electric military, fighting the internal combustion engine and destroying the affordability of fuel, canceling oil leases, etc., and we are getting sick of having the government FORCE SHIT ON US.
The record is clear: low flow toilets, incandescent light bulbs, unreasonable mileage mandates, shitty washing machines, and most recently the threat to eliminate ceiling fans and gas ranges, all lead to the conclusion that FedGov won’t wait for the marketplace to make changes - they will force it, even without adequate replacements. It’s only a matter of time before EVs get mandated. Well fuck that.
That’s it. I would have no hostility toward any of that if they were all true free market choices and government and self appointed “experts” stayed the hell out of it.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 10, 2023, 06:02:30 AM
We have one car and use it for around town and long trips. Don't want to sit at a charging location on a long trip when I can just pop the hose in and be done in three minutes. We'll, likely, never have one.
Post by: Little Joe on September 10, 2023, 06:43:31 AM
That’s it. I would have no hostility toward any of that if they were all true free market choices and government and self appointed “experts” stayed the hell out of it.If more people would admit that then I would be in agreement with them. But it is all the fake excuses about how EVs take longer to charge (which some people might do twice a year) than filling a gas tank (which people do weekly or more). Or saying EVs suck because they take a couple of hours longer for a 13 hour trip. Heck, I never drive more than about 9 hours in a day anyway.
But yeah, I hate using tax dollars to pay subsidies for a product that can't meet demand as it is. (I'm talking about the good ones, not the crappy ones sitting on lots)>
And I hate being mandated to buy one or compromising our military by forcing them into it.
And I wouldn't mind kissing that girl that Stan posted, even if I did have to jump up and wrap my legs around her. She looked awesome (from what I can remember; I think I was drunk when I saw it).
Post by: Lucifer on September 10, 2023, 06:51:57 AM
FDA, CDC Hid Data on Spike in COVID Cases Among the Vaccinated: Documents
Quote
COVID-19 cases among vaccinated seniors soared in 2021, according to newly disclosed data acquired by U.S. health agencies but weren’t presented to the public.
Humetrix Cloud Services was contracted by the U.S. military to analyze vaccine data. The company performed a fresh analysis as authorities considered in 2021 whether COVID-19 vaccine boosters were necessary amid studies finding waning vaccine effectiveness.
Humetrix researchers found that the proportion of total COVID-19 cases among the seniors was increasingly comprised of vaccinated people, according to the newly disclosed documents.
For the week ending on July 31, 2021, post-vaccination COVID-19 cases represented 73 percent of the cases among people 65 and older, the company found. The elderly were 80 percent fully vaccinated at the time.
Breakthrough infection rates were higher among those who were vaccinated early, the researchers found. They estimated that the rates were twice as high in those who had been vaccinated five to six months prior, when compared to people vaccinated three to four months before.
The breakthrough cases started in January 2021, according to the data.
Protection against hospitalization was also fading, researchers discovered.
In the week ending on July 31, 2021, 63 percent of the COVID-19 hospitalizations in seniors were among the fully vaccinated, according to the documents. The same pattern of weaker protection among people who were vaccinated early was found.
Researchers calculated that the vaccine effectiveness (VE) against infection was just 33 percent while the effectiveness against hospitalization had dropped to 57 percent.
Seniors who previously had COVID-19 and recovered were more likely to avoid hospitalization, the researchers also found. Risk factors included serious underlying conditions such as obesity and being in the oldest age group, or older than 85.
The cohort analysis was completed on 20 million Medicare beneficiaries, including 5.6 million seniors who received a primary series of a COVID-19 vaccine.
“Our observational study VE findings show a very significant decrease in VE against infection and hospitalization in the Delta phase of the pandemic for individuals vaccinated with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine for those 5–6 months post-vaccination vs. those 3–4 months post-vaccination,” Dr. Bettina Experton, Humetrix’s president and CEO, said in a Sept. 15, 2021, email to top U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) officials.
Humetrix also found that among the beneficiaries, there had been 133,000 cases, 27,000 hospitalizations, and 8,300 intensive care admissions among the fully vaccinated since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Dr. Experton disclosed that Humetrix shared the data with the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in August 2021.
“It would have been nice to know [the military] was conducting this prior to now. Also might have been nice for CDC to share the data,” Dr. Peter Marks, one of the FDA officials, told colleagues in response.
“This is more worrisome than the other data we have in my opinion,” Dr. Janet Woodcock, the FDA’s acting commissioner at the time, said in reply.
The presentation and emails were obtained by the Informed Consent Action Network, a nonprofit that seeks to provide transparency around medical issues, through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).
“It is hard to see this as anything other than a failure of our health authorities to assess, share, make public, and act upon valuable, real-world data in the midst of a so-called pandemic,” Del Bigtree, founder of the network, told The Epoch Times via email. “And without FOIA, the public likely would never be made aware of these failures which, of course, allows them to be perpetrated again and again.”
The FDA and CDC declined to comment.
Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the U.S. National Institutes of Health at the time, wrote in a separate email obtained through FOIA that the results of the study provided “pretty compelling evidence that VE is falling 5–6 months post-vaccination for both infection and hospitalization for those over 65.”
He added, “Even for those 3–4 months out, there is a trend toward worsening VE.”
The CDC, FDA, and National Institutes of Health didn’t share the data with the public as they considered whether to clear and recommend COVID-19 vaccine boosters.
The CDC held a meeting with its vaccine advisers on Aug. 30, 2021. During the meeting, CDC officials went over emerging data on waning vaccine effectiveness, although the military study wasn’t included.
The FDA held a similar meeting on Sept. 17, 2021. The CDC participated. The Humetrix analysis also wasn’t presented during that meeting.
Both agencies have aggressively promoted COVID-19 vaccines throughout the pandemic, including hyping them as strongly protective against severe disease even after their own data have suggested that isn’t the case.
The CDC did present (pdf) data from COVID-NET, one of its systems, that showed effectiveness against COVID-19-associated hospitalization was falling among the elderly since the emergence of the Delta variant but that data still showed 80 percent effectiveness.
The presentation also included data from outside researchers and Israel that estimated the protection during the Delta era against infection ranged from 39 percent to 84 percent and that the effectiveness against hospitalization ranged from 75 to 95 percent.
The FDA ended up clearing a Pfizer booster for many Americans. The CDC advised most people to receive it. The agencies later expanded booster clearance and recommendations to virtually all Americans aged 5 and older, with Moderna’s shot as another option. Authorities have since replaced the old shots because of their lack of durability and are preparing to roll out another slate of shots this fall.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 10, 2023, 06:56:55 AM
Quote
A DRIVER has expressed strong feelings against his electric vehicle and says that dealing with other EV owners can get hectic.
The England (https://www.the-sun.com/where/england/)-based YouTube (http://the-sun.com/topic/YouTube) creator said that he despises his EV and that drivers who own them hate each other.
Post by: Lucifer on September 10, 2023, 07:10:40 AM
Post by: Little Joe on September 10, 2023, 07:39:39 AM
https://www.the-sun.com/motors/9045684/owned-ev-year-despise-owners-cant-trip-home-airport/
Quote
A Driver . . .Wow. That's a huge and convincing sample size.
I could probably find an article or two about pilots that hate their airplane and other pilots.
I read something about a guy that bought an airplane that was supposed to have a "fresh annual". He bought it on the spot because at the time planes did not sit on the market long. He took it to his mechanic and was given an estimate of $30k just to fix the airworthy stuff. He wound up hating his airplane and the guy that sold it to him and the guy that did the "fresh annual" (and himself for buying that piece of shit).
There. Don't you hate airplanes now?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 10, 2023, 08:51:27 AM
Well, what do you know. I looked at the pdf of the contract from a link in another post, and it’s right there in Section 5.5, as posted in the second article in Coffee and Covid linked below.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/rats-thursday-september-7-2023-c
(http://)
It’s not a great leap that the contract with the United States would be similar. I used to think “hang the covid tryrants” was a bit extreme, but perhaps not.
Post by: nddons on September 10, 2023, 11:19:54 AM
Someone here, I think Stan, asked if the United States was the only country that got vax hoodwinked. Here is a wonderful article about South Africa. A very determined group of citizens worked to get their country’s contract with Pfizer released, against of course hard pushback from both their government and Pfizer.Wow, Becky. Thanks for that article.
Well, what do you know. I looked at the pdf of the contract from a link in another post, and it’s right there in Section 5.5, as posted in the second article in Coffee and Covid linked below.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/rats-thursday-september-7-2023-c
(http://)
It’s not a great leap that the contract with the United States would be similar. I used to think “hang the covid tryrants” was a bit extreme, but perhaps not.
Unfortunately, you make my case and it was worse than I can imagine.
“I would bet a year’s salary that every Pfizer contract in the world includes the same protective provisions. But one thing I am completely sure of is that government lawyers knew how bad the contracts were. A hundred percent. The Pfizer contract isn’t tricky or ambiguous, it’s painfully clear. Non-lawyers can read and understand it just fine. But health authorities obviously overrode their lawyers, which raises the most intriguing question of all: why?
“If one person in the executive branch had the power to approve something like this, and it was always intended to remain deeply buried under all the other odious state secrets, then it would have been trivial to … incentivize … that one person to overcome their normal concerns.
“In other words, I would bet my right hand somebody got paid.”
Stan here: why would Trump have signed such a one-sided agreement? I thought he wrote “The Art of the Deal.” Would a mere bureaucrat have had the power to obligate the United States government to pay billions to a Pharma company with no potential for recourse by the government or its citizens (us)?
This is way worse than I could have imagined.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 11, 2023, 04:52:02 AM
If more people would admit that then I would be in agreement with them. But it is all the fake excuses about how EVs take longer to charge (which some people might do twice a year) than filling a gas tank (which people do weekly or more).
you just did what you are complaining about (giving fake excuses). You seems to equate the the time it takes to charge an EV with the time required to fill a tank. Charging an EV, even with the fast chargers is a LOT longer than filling a gas tank... especially if you can't find a working fast charger.
And I fill my gas tank once every 3 to 4 weeks, not "weekly or more"
Or saying EVs suck because they take a couple of hours longer for a 13 hour trip. Heck, I never drive more than about 9 hours in a day anyway.
Turning a 9 hour drive into an 11 hour drive could be a tipping point wrt do/don't take a trip.
Sure, people take bio breaks when driving long trips, but having a 2 hour pitstop is a bit over the top... especially when you can swap drivers.
Post by: Lucifer on September 11, 2023, 05:39:11 AM
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2023, 05:45:10 AM
you just did what you are complaining about (giving fake excuses). You seems to equate the the time it takes to charge an EV with the time required to fill a tank. Charging an EV, even with the fast chargers is a LOT longer than filling a gas tank... especially if you can't find a working fast charger.
And I fill my gas tank once every 3 to 4 weeks, not "weekly or more"
Turning a 9 hour drive into an 11 hour drive could be a tipping point wrt do/don't take a trip.
Sure, people take bio breaks when driving long trips, but having a 2 hour pitstop is a bit over the top... especially when you can swap drivers.
That’s a deal killer for me. Excruciating to sit somewhere for a long time waiting for a friggin battery to charge instead of pumping gas into my car and getting on my way. I’m one of those who needs to get where I’m going fast. I can’t stand to dawdle around in strange in between places. For one thing it’s not secure. It’s a public place where you have to maintain situational awareness. I need to get the hell where I’m going so I can relax. Traveling long distances in an EV sounds like a nightmare to me.
Post by: Number7 on September 11, 2023, 06:07:09 AM
Combine that with something like the recent tropical storm where neighborhood flooding necessitated people leaving their homes and seeking safer ground, with the expected gridlock, as well as short driving range and you have a lose/lose proposition.
Imagine a national power emergency (like a terrorist assault on the power grid) and the whole argument for ev's is a farce.
Post by: Rush on September 11, 2023, 06:36:40 AM
The arguments for ev's are lame when i think about the train wreck that is california's electrical grid.
Combine that with something like the recent tropical storm where neighborhood flooding necessitated people leaving their homes and seeking safer ground, with the expected gridlock, as well as short driving range and you have a lose/lose proposition.
Imagine a national power emergency (like a terrorist assault on the power grid) and the whole argument for ev's is a farce.
‘96 Hurricane Fran. Power was out for more than a week. I had to drive out of town with my kids til I found a motel with a vacancy. Gas stations with backup generators can fuel your car.
Post by: nddons on September 11, 2023, 10:09:48 AM
That’s a deal killer for me. Excruciating to sit somewhere for a long time waiting for a friggin battery to charge instead of pumping gas into my car and getting on my way. I’m one of those who needs to get where I’m going fast. I can’t stand to dawdle around in strange in between places. For one thing it’s not secure. It’s a public place where you have to maintain situational awareness. I need to get the hell where I’m going so I can relax. Traveling long distances in an EV sounds like a nightmare to me.Which literally is the biggest deal breaker for most Americans vs Europeans.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 12, 2023, 05:48:42 AM
https://twitter.com/gunthertree2/status/1701359052247163017?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1701359052247163017%7Ctwgr%5E4d606c73d34cb60832e955fa70ca77e36b2735b1%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2Fnew
Post by: Lucifer on September 12, 2023, 06:43:08 AM
Post by: Rush on September 12, 2023, 08:27:48 AM
https://twitter.com/million_meal/status/1699863678785622521
I'm a physician. Bret is correct that spike is a side issue. The bigger problem is that the entire virus RNA vaccine platform isn't safe in humans. All virus RNA vaxes aren't safe, not just covid RNA vax.
There are multiple mechanisms by which virus RNA vax can cause serious injury/death (acknowledged by FDA). Bret's mechanism has now been proven correct on autopsy and immunoprofiling, so here's a primer -
Mechanism of covid RNA vax (Pfizer or Moderna):
1. RNA vax coated with lipid nanoparticles (LNP) is injected in arm. LNP-RNA goes in blood, lymph, and circulates throughout all organs including brain, ovaries/testes, bone marrow, adrenals.
2. LNP-RNA can enter any cell. When LNP-RNA enters a cell, this is called transfection. Vax RNA uses your ribosomes to make vax spike protein as a monomer. Spike monomers combine to form trimers and some dimers. Some spike monomer gets cleaved by enzymes.
3. Some vax spike goes onto the cell surface of RNA-transfected cells. This makes RNA-transfected cells look virus-infected. This is how covid RNA vax mimics virus infection.
Your immune cells (CD8T, Th1 CD4T, NK, Mac) attack and kill your own healthy RNA-transfected cells, because they look virus-infected. This is the autoimmune/self-attack mechanism Bret mentioned.
4. Some vax spike is secreted from RNA-transfected cells into blood. You have immune cells (B cells) that make antibodies to spike.
This sounds good, but these antibodies will bind to vax spike on the surface of RNA-transfected cells. This is called opsonization. This helps your immune cells kill your own healthy RNA-transfected cells.
As a side note, remember vax mRNA isn't normal mRNA. It's modified mRNA that avoids immune cell attack and is more resistant to RNases.
That's why vax RNA/vax spike can stay for at least months in the body. Understandably there's great reluctance to check if vax RNA/vax spike can be permanent, but we have to check.
Post by: Lucifer on September 12, 2023, 08:39:01 AM
Post by: Rush on September 12, 2023, 08:47:57 AM
I think Dr Pete would have a better answer as he doesn't intertwine ideology and science.
I’d welcome his take also, I should have included him but I thought when you put @ somebody’s name it made it blue with a link. Does it notify them somehow they have a post directed at them?
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 12, 2023, 09:54:40 AM
@Steingar is this true?He doesn't actually explain what makes them unsafe. Like, "Then the cells do X and that causes Y which harms or kills you." And everywhere he writes "vax" you can substitute "Covid virus" and have correct and accurate statements. And be able to add extra ones that highlight replication and infection of other cells that a lone spike gene can't accomplish on its own.
https://twitter.com/million_meal/status/1699863678785622521
All virus RNA vaxes aren't safe, not just covid RNA vax.
Post by: Rush on September 12, 2023, 10:45:11 AM
He doesn't actually explain what makes them unsafe. Like, "Then the cells do X and that causes Y which harms or kills you." And everywhere he writes "vax" you can substitute "Covid virus" and have correct and accurate statements. And be able to add extra ones that highlight replication and infection of other cells that a lone spike gene can't accomplish on its own.
You don’t even need a vax or Covid. Immune cells attacking your own healthy cells is the definition of “autoimmune disease”, which in most cases we really don’t know what causes it.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 12, 2023, 11:29:00 AM
You don’t even need a vax or Covid. Immune cells attacking your own healthy cells is the definition of “autoimmune disease”, which in most cases we really don’t know what causes it.I have one of them thar autoimmune thingies. When I was first diagnosed I did a bunch of research to understand what causes it (the fancy medical word for cause seems to be etiology.) Suffice to say it is presumed to be an autoimmune disease and not the body in a perpetual fight against some infection. All the treatments appear to treat the symptoms, not the underlying cause because the causal connections are still murky. Some research on identical twins suggests a mix of genetic predisposition and environmental triggers (1% of people get RA while if a twin gets it there is about a 15% chance the other twin gets it. If it had been 100% the genetic aspect would be confirmed as sole cause while 1% would indicate likely only environmental trigger.)
Post by: nddons on September 12, 2023, 11:33:27 AM
https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-believe-aaron-rodgers-ankle-injury-a-result-of-being-unvaccinated?fbclid=IwAR2lQiRveOyBhAWRIpnZYCv9_WzPUEk4v8FUv4W8rNcMpCpsP-RUpknZovY_aem_ASxHndjnzbk2BN2Z32-BY8tPMCTM8TKWI5xKLary2hF0Vu5FKo8f9zJEDlUxFDjitVk&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
NEW YORK, NY — After the devastating reports came out that star New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers had suffered what is suspected to be a season-ending injury to his Achilles tendon, experts immediately expressed belief that the injury was a result of Rodgers being unvaccinated.
"Taking the vaccine would have likely prevented this," said Dr. Arthur MacArthur, a sports physician who has never treated Rodgers. "Research that we just came up with a few moments ago indicates there is a new COVID-19 variant that specifically attacks tendons and ligaments, particularly in the ankle. So Aaron Rodgers, due to his unvaccinated state, clearly came down with a sudden case of what we are referring to, as of right now, ‘COVID ankle.'"
Post by: Rush on September 12, 2023, 11:55:36 AM
I have one of them thar autoimmune thingies. When I was first diagnosed I did a bunch of research to understand what causes it (the fancy medical word for cause seems to be etiology.) Suffice to say it is presumed to be an autoimmune disease and not the body in a perpetual fight against some infection. All the treatments appear to treat the symptoms, not the underlying cause because the causal connections are still murky. Some research on identical twins suggests a mix of genetic predisposition and environmental triggers (1% of people get RA while if a twin gets it there is about a 15% chance the other twin gets it. If it had been 100% the genetic aspect would be confirmed as sole cause while 1% would indicate likely only environmental trigger.)
Maybe you read “The Arthritis Breakthrough” asserting it’s probably infectious in origin and there are some data that back this up. I have a tendency to autoimmune symptoms without having been positively diagnosed with a systemic disease, but I do have a form of limited scleroderma confirmed by biopsy. I also have autoimmune type dry eye, Raynaud’s and some inflammatory arthritis although most of my joint problems are OA. Years ago my rheumatologist put me on doxycycline but said, “It’s not because I think autoimmune disease is caused by an infection, it’s because doxy has anti inflammatory properties!” Okay, doc. Whatever you say.
Post by: jb1842 on September 12, 2023, 12:31:43 PM
This made my day!
https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-believe-aaron-rodgers-ankle-injury-a-result-of-being-unvaccinated?fbclid=IwAR2lQiRveOyBhAWRIpnZYCv9_WzPUEk4v8FUv4W8rNcMpCpsP-RUpknZovY_aem_ASxHndjnzbk2BN2Z32-BY8tPMCTM8TKWI5xKLary2hF0Vu5FKo8f9zJEDlUxFDjitVk&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
NEW YORK, NY — After the devastating reports came out that star New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers had suffered what is suspected to be a season-ending injury to his Achilles tendon, experts immediately expressed belief that the injury was a result of Rodgers being unvaccinated.
"Taking the vaccine would have likely prevented this," said Dr. Arthur MacArthur, a sports physician who has never treated Rodgers. "Research that we just came up with a few moments ago indicates there is a new COVID-19 variant that specifically attacks tendons and ligaments, particularly in the ankle. So Aaron Rodgers, due to his unvaccinated state, clearly came down with a sudden case of what we are referring to, as of right now, ‘COVID ankle.'"
I made a joke to my wife about him going down before the game started. She laughed. Now she's laughing harder. Said it was Karma after the whole Favre going to the Jets, too. And she works for the State Farm agent in Milwaukee who does all his insurance in Wisconsin. They are going to lose a lot of money when he finally goes with another company/sells all his Wisconsin property.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 12, 2023, 02:00:46 PM
I have one of them thar autoimmune thingies. When I was first diagnosed I did a bunch of research to understand what causes it (the fancy medical word for cause seems to be etiology.) Suffice to say it is presumed to be an autoimmune disease and not the body in a perpetual fight against some infection. All the treatments appear to treat the symptoms, not the underlying cause because the causal connections are still murky. Some research on identical twins suggests a mix of genetic predisposition and environmental triggers (1% of people get RA while if a twin gets it there is about a 15% chance the other twin gets it. If it had been 100% the genetic aspect would be confirmed as sole cause while 1% would indicate likely only environmental trigger.)Speaking of environmental triggers, I have autoimmune hypothyroid, also known as Hashimoto’s. It is diagnosed by finding thyroid antibodies in the blood. For the four and a half years that we were on the paleo diet (no grains, processed foods, sugar, seed oils, etc.), my thyroid antibodies disappeared. As they went down, I reduced my dose of supplemental thyroid, and finally tried going off it entirely. But I couldn’t quite achieve that and still feel good. I’m now on 1/3 my original dose. I asked my doctor whether the paleo diet could be the reason the antibodies disappeared, and he said yes, it was probably the wheat. He actually said, you don’t have Hashimoto’s anymore because there are no antibodies.
I researched the wheat thing and found that a molecule in gluten called gliaden mimics the thyroid hormone in appearance. The body sees it and thinks it doesn’t have to produce more hormone.
Since that time I have started to eat wheat again, although rarely, and have not had my antibodies tested. So I kind of assume I have Hashimoto’s again.
Post by: Little Joe on September 12, 2023, 02:06:57 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 12, 2023, 02:28:30 PM
Processed wheat goes back to the last century, and like most ultra processed foods can cause problems when eaten in excess.
High fructose corn syrup and refined sugar have caused most of the problems. That, and people gorging themselves at every opportunity.
Post by: Rush on September 12, 2023, 02:42:27 PM
Speaking of environmental triggers, I have autoimmune hypothyroid, also known as Hashimoto’s. It is diagnosed by finding thyroid antibodies in the blood. For the four and a half years that we were on the paleo diet (no grains, processed foods, sugar, seed oils, etc.), my thyroid antibodies disappeared. As they went down, I reduced my dose of supplemental thyroid, and finally tried going off it entirely. But I couldn’t quite achieve that and still feel good. I’m now on 1/3 my original dose. I asked my doctor whether the paleo diet could be the reason the antibodies disappeared, and he said yes, it was probably the wheat. He actually said, you don’t have Hashimoto’s anymore because there are no antibodies.
I researched the wheat thing and found that a molecule in gluten called gliaden mimics the thyroid hormone in appearance. The body sees it and thinks it doesn’t have to produce more hormone.
Since that time I have started to eat wheat again, although rarely, and have not had my antibodies tested. So I kind of assume I have Hashimoto’s again.
Interesting. I had an under active thyroid, the labs were within range but on the low side so I was on a desiccated bovine supplement for a few years. I’ve been feeling so good recently I have weaned off of it. Maybe it’s because we’ve gone paleo! Wow. We too have completely cut out the gluten although once in a while I cheat.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 12, 2023, 02:51:09 PM
Interesting. I had an under active thyroid, the labs were within range but on the low side so I was on a desiccated bovine supplement for a few years. I’ve been feeling so good recently I have weaned off of it. Maybe it’s because we’ve gone paleo! Wow. We too have completely cut out the gluten although once in a while I cheat.Paleo makes lots of unpleasant ailments and pains go away, if you stick with it. I decided the psychological trauma of never having pizza, pasta and bread was worse than having them occasionally. Resisting sweet stuff is easy for me, but although I felt great being 100% paleo I never stopped missing bread and pasta. It’s easier now though. I really do think wheat can be toxic.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 12, 2023, 02:57:36 PM
(http://)
Post by: Anthony on September 12, 2023, 03:01:49 PM
Wheat goes back a few thousand years.
Processed wheat goes back to the last century, and like most ultra processed foods can cause problems when eaten in excess.
High fructose corn syrup and refined sugar have caused most of the problems. That, and people gorging themselves at every opportunity.
Obesity is the single largest health problem we have, and caused most of the major Covid serious problems along with advanced age, yet few talk about it.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 12, 2023, 03:05:40 PM
Paleo makes lots of unpleasant ailments and pains go away, if you stick with it. I decided the psychological trauma of never having pizza, pasta and bread was worse than having them occasionally. Resisting sweet stuff is easy for me, but although I felt great being 100% paleo I never stopped missing bread and pasta. It’s easier now though. I really do think wheat can be toxic.Pizza bowls, unless you just can't do without the crust and accompanying carbs.
Post by: Rush on September 12, 2023, 03:06:39 PM
Wheat goes back a few thousand years.
Processed wheat goes back to the last century, and like most ultra processed foods can cause problems when eaten in excess.
High fructose corn syrup and refined sugar have caused most of the problems. That, and people gorging themselves at every opportunity.
Yes and I believe the wheat we use now was genetically bred to have a higher gluten content than ancestral grains.
Post by: nddons on September 12, 2023, 06:10:26 PM
Pizza bowls, unless you just can't do without the crust and accompanying carbs.Pizza “bowl”?
Not today, Satan!
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230913/a00f033b4967e98d4c9375731538e3f4.jpg)
Post by: Rush on September 12, 2023, 06:28:07 PM
Pizza bowls, unless you just can't do without the crust and accompanying carbs.
One of my cheats is this local pizza place that makes the best pizza I’ve ever had. Yes, the crust is a big part of why it’s so good.
My husband made a pizza with a crust that was made from ground chicken, zero carbs. It was okay but not the same. At all.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 12, 2023, 08:16:49 PM
Maybe you read “The Arthritis Breakthrough” asserting it’s probably infectious in origin and there are some data that back this up.I can't recall if I read that particular article, but I have read quite a bit of that theory. It was an early theory that, as far as I can tell, medical science didn't per se disprove, but allegedly no repeatable proof.
Quote
I have a tendency to autoimmune symptoms without having been positively diagnosed with a systemic disease, but I do have a form of limited scleroderma confirmed by biopsy. I also have autoimmune type dry eye, Raynaud’s and some inflammatory arthritis although most of my joint problems are OA. Years ago my rheumatologist put me on doxycycline but said, “It’s not because I think autoimmune disease is caused by an infection, it’s because doxy has anti inflammatory properties!” Okay, doc. Whatever you say.I had dry-eye as one symptom of RA, but that went away either due to the meds (methotrexate and hydroxychloroquine) or one of the supplements I take (not sure, but either due to the vitamin D, at about 14,000 IU daily, or extra potassium salt I add to my morning orange juice.)
My sister takes minocycline (it and doxycycline are both tetracycline antibiotics) for her RA. She discovered it from roadback.org because she's afraid of meds like the ones I take.
Post by: Anthony on September 13, 2023, 01:20:04 AM
Pizza bowls, unless you just can't do without the crust and accompanying carbs.
I typically don't eat pizza, although I will go off the reservation now and then and eat something like that, but what is a pizza bowl?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 13, 2023, 01:43:05 AM
One of my cheats is this local pizza place that makes the best pizza I’ve ever had. Yes, the crust is a big part of why it’s so good.
My husband made a pizza with a crust that was made from ground chicken, zero carbs. It was okay but not the same. At all.
One of Jay Leno's jokes is about gluten.
He didn't know what gluten was, but he didn't realze how good gluten tasted until he tasted some gluten-free food.
Post by: Rush on September 13, 2023, 03:27:47 AM
I can't recall if I read that particular article, but I have read quite a bit of that theory. It was an early theory that, as far as I can tell, medical science didn't per se disprove, but allegedly no repeatable proof.
It’s a book. Supposedly debunked by mainstream medicine because they and Big Pharma profit so much from keeping autoimmune diseases chronic.
Quote
I had dry-eye as one symptom of RA, but that went away either due to the meds (methotrexate and hydroxychloroquine) or one of the supplements I take (not sure, but either due to the vitamin D, at about 14,000 IU daily, or extra potassium salt I add to my morning orange juice.)
I take high doses of Omega 3 fish oil which really helps my dry eye.
Quote
My sister takes minocycline (it and doxycycline are both tetracycline antibiotics) for her RA. She discovered it from roadback.org because she's afraid of meds like the ones I take.
Roadback.org is based on the book by that name, co-authored by the guy that wrote Arthritis Breakthrough.
Post by: Little Joe on September 13, 2023, 03:38:23 AM
I typically don't eat pizza, although I will go off the reservation now and then and eat something like that, but what is a pizza bowl?Ummmm. Pizza bowls! I love em.
Take a look at that picture of a wonderful looking pizza that Stan posted, then imagine scraping all of that good stuff off the top and putting it in a bowl and eating it with a fork. Yowza! Now that's a meal. And you can put that fattening, GMO crust in the trash. Or better yet, never even waste time dealing with all of that bread in the fist place.
Post by: Lucifer on September 13, 2023, 04:56:57 AM
Quote
Dr. Anthony Fauci is concerned that “people will not abide” by the Centers for Disease Control’s recent masking recommendations. For their part, the people have good reason to disregard the recommendations — and Fauci along with them.
After more than 50 years in government and 38 years heading the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, Fauci announced his retirement at the end of 2022. With the 82-year-old still dishing it out, Americans might dial it back a few years.
At various times, Fauci recommended that people wear no masks, then one mask, and then two masks. As the Cochrane study showed in January, masks are more or less useless against COVID-19. In an appearance last week on CNN, Fauci said other studies showed otherwise but failed to name a single one.
Fauci was also a hawk on the vaccines that failed to prevent infection and transmission of COVID. Indeed, Fauci and Joe Biden, both vaccinated and boosted, have tested positive for COVID. The NIAID boss wanted children, the least vulnerable group, to get multiple vaccinations nevertheless.
Fauci funded the Wuhan Institute of Virology to conduct gain-of-function research that makes viruses more lethal and transmissible. The WIV, in turn, received shipments of deadly pathogens courtesy of Dr. Xiangguo Qiu, a Chinese national who headed the special pathogens unit at Canada’s National Microbiology Lab. In 2017 and 2018 alone, Dr. Qiu made at least five trips to the WIV.
Fauci maintained that the virus arose naturally in the wild, which is a matter of speculation, not science. The mysterious virus was able to produce new variants that Fauci said were already here and highly transmissible. And of course, that demanded more vaccinations, masking, distancing, and so forth. Like the alleged natural origin of the virus, none of this was authenticated or replicated by scientists with no ties to the NIAID, the NIH, the CDC, or Big Pharma.
Fauci is on record that he represents science. That is a strange claim for a medical doctor whose biography shows no advanced degrees in biochemistry or molecular biology. Nobel laureate Kary Mullis, inventor of the polymerase chain reaction, has said Fauci “doesn’t understand electronic microscopy and he doesn’t understand medicine. He should not be in a position like he’s in.” But he was, heading the NIAID from 1984 through 2022.
During that time, Fauci oversaw drug trials on African-American foster children in New York, forcing them to take AZT and other dangerous drugs. For the full story, read “The Real Anthony Fauci” by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. And as Rebecca Culshaw contends in “The Real AIDS Epidemic: How the Tragic HIV Mistake Threatens Us All,” fast-track approval for mRNA vaccines was “essentially a massive clinical trial [that] was conducted in real time on the entire population.” The results are still coming in.
Anthony Fauci earned a medical degree in 1966, but if he ever practiced medicine, it was only for a short time. In 1968, he took a cushy “yellow beret” job with the National Institutes of Health. The number of COVID patients Fauci has treated is unknown, but a fair estimate would be zero. He’s a bureaucrat, first and foremost, wielding executive-level power but never having to face the voters.
This Lysenko-esque figure is still running his mouth, but the people have little if any reason to heed anything he says. On the other hand, since he’s never been held accountable, Congress has good reason to investigate him. The same goes for the Centers for Disease Control, which has failed at its primary task.
The CDC’s intrepid Epidemic Intelligence Service failed to prevent the “novel coronavirus” from arriving stateside. In early 2020, EIS veteran Nancy Messonnier delivered a series of briefings that faithfully echoed China’s talking points. The EIS, supposedly the nation’s medical CIA, also seems unable to detect the new variants and stop their spread within the country.
People yearning to breathe free and live free should reject the CDC’s mask recommendations. For its part, Congress has good reason to downsize the CDC and NIAID or eliminate them altogether. White coat supremacy is incompatible with a constitutional republic. The struggle against white coat supremacy is the struggle of memory against forgetting.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 13, 2023, 05:32:25 AM
I typically don't eat pizza, although I will go off the reservation now and then and eat something like that, but what is a pizza bowl?Pizza without the crust. Papa Johns actually makes them now. I make my own.
I have two oblong baking dishes. Start with a layer of your sauce of choice on the bottom. Add a layer of cheese, then your toppings of choice and another layer of sauce. We have a Ninja flip-up so I do it in that. I use the high broil setting for 9 minutes. Then add the top layer of cheese and I do it for another 4-5 minutes. and eat.
Post by: Rush on September 13, 2023, 05:49:02 AM
Pizza without the crust. Papa Johns actually makes them now. I make my own.
I have two oblong baking dishes. Start with a layer of your sauce of choice on the bottom. Add a layer of cheese, then your toppings of choice and another layer of sauce. We have a Ninja flip-up so I do it in that. I use the high broil setting for 9 minutes. Then add the top layer of cheese and I do it for another 4-5 minutes. and eat.
That’s your basic keto dish. I find that when I eat like that I feel full much faster even though I consume less of it than I would have if it had been on the bread. Somehow adding the carbs makes you eat more total of the protein and fat too. Something about the carb tells your body to eat as much as possible. Maybe because in prehistoric times high carb food (like honey and fruit) was packed with nutrition and good for energy so you pigged out when you came across it. But high glycemic refined grains are the opposite of healthy, yet we retain the instinct to gorge on the carbs.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 13, 2023, 07:37:53 AM
Of course, over the years paleo wraps and pizza crusts and whatnot have come on the market. But they are pale substitutes for the real thing. I’ll grant lettuce wraps for hamburgers are good, but in my opinion things trying to be other things are usually a big fail.
Post by: nddons on September 13, 2023, 08:00:02 AM
Ummmm. Pizza bowls! I love em.People have been eating bread for literally thousands of years. Now as of yesterday, bread is bad for us.
Take a look at that picture of a wonderful looking pizza that Stan posted, then imagine scraping all of that good stuff off the top and putting it in a bowl and eating it with a fork. Yowza! Now that's a meal. And you can put that fattening, GMO crust in the trash. Or better yet, never even waste time dealing with all of that bread in the fist place.
It just may be other things modern society is eating today.
And people who are supposedly “non-GMO” literally have no idea how food is produced.
Post by: Rush on September 13, 2023, 08:04:13 AM
But there’s another thing … I seriously missed while Paleo being able to have things like wraps, which are goodies wrapped up in something and handheld, or things topped, like pizza, or things between bread, like sandwiches. Paleo is basically meat and vegetables, full stop. Can get boring.
Of course, over the years paleo wraps and pizza crusts and whatnot have come on the market. But they are pale substitutes for the real thing. I’ll grant lettuce wraps for hamburgers are good, but in my opinion things trying to be other things are usually a big fail.
They are. We get keto meals that have cauliflower "rice" and cauliflower "mashed potatoes" and cauliflower "grits" and I'm getting a little sick of cauliflower. It's not bad, but it is NOT what it purports to replace. Not the same taste, not the same texture.
There are differences between paleo and keto. Keto is simply very low carb and relatively high fat. Doesn't require organic or unprocessed, although frequently it is. Paleo is prehistoric eating; technically not carb restrictive but we didn't have a lot of high carb grains until 10,000 years ago when we settled down and started farming, so paleo is often low carb, but not necessarily high fat, and it is always unprocessed in the modern sense. Keto must be so low carb you can achieve ketosis. Paleo doesn't have that requirement.
I guess biltong can be considered "processing" and would definitely be paleo, especially if you did Wildebeest instead of domesticated cattle LOL! It would also be keto!
They frequently intersect but aren't exactly the same. Both of them do that substitution thing.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 13, 2023, 08:17:58 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 13, 2023, 08:22:49 AM
People have been eating bread for literally thousands of years. Now as of yesterday, bread is bad for us.Well, indeed, it’s the engineered foods and grains that might be hurting us. Think about this … even celiacs can have bread in some countries in Europe, because those countries use ancient varieties of grains untouched by GMO or fiddled with by engineering. Though not a celiac, I tried once to get some of those grains but the market there is highly proprietary with them as they’re only still grown in Europe, as far as I know.
It just may be other things modern society is eating today.
And people who are supposedly “non-GMO” literally have no idea how food is produced.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 13, 2023, 08:37:58 AM
Post by: Anthony on September 13, 2023, 09:32:24 AM
Ummmm. Pizza bowls! I love em.
Take a look at that picture of a wonderful looking pizza that Stan posted, then imagine scraping all of that good stuff off the top and putting it in a bowl and eating it with a fork. Yowza! Now that's a meal. And you can put that fattening, GMO crust in the trash. Or better yet, never even waste time dealing with all of that bread in the fist place.
All the pizza toppings include high calorie, high fat, high sodium things like cheese, pepperoni, sausage, etc.,tomato sauce which is OK but processed and also high in sodium. The crust is the least of your problems unless you're allergic to gluten.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 13, 2023, 10:20:13 AM
Post by: Little Joe on September 13, 2023, 10:25:57 AM
People have been eating bread for literally thousands of years. Now as of yesterday, bread is bad for us.Just in case you actually interested:
It just may be other things modern society is eating today.
And people who are supposedly “non-GMO” literally have no idea how food is produced.
https://grainstorm.com/pages/modern-wheat
Quote
What's wrong with modern wheat
How an ancient food staple became toxic junk food, and what we can do about it (without going gluten-free)
Grain has been at the heart of humankind's diet for thousands of years. It is, in fact, the foundation of civilization: it cultivates easily, stores for years in kernel form, releasing its nutritional bounty when the seed is ground and prepared into fresh breads or porridges. This is how grains have been consumed over the millennia: stored in whole kernel form and milled fresh, full of life and nutrients.
Quote
So what’s changed? In fact, almost everything.
The way we grow it, the way we process it and the way we eat. The very wheat itself. Since industrialization, everything has changed, and it has happened in two distinct “technology revolutions”. The first was in milling, the second in cultivation and farming. Both have had a profound effect, yet most people have no idea.
Post by: Rush on September 13, 2023, 10:32:04 AM
Just in case you actually interested:
https://grainstorm.com/pages/modern-wheat
Yes, these changes resulted in two things: The proliferation of cheap food to fuel a population boom, and a great decrease in people’s health as a result of the changes that made grains more calorie dense, nutrient sparse, and able to be stored and shipped more easily. We traded quality for quantity and are paying the price.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 13, 2023, 10:41:52 AM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=3711)
Post by: Little Joe on September 13, 2023, 11:28:57 AM
Quote
“I will not stand by and let the FDA and CDC use healthy Floridians as guinea pigs for new booster shots that have not been proven to be safe or effective,” DeSantis said in a press release sent out after the panel discussion.https://www.news-journalonline.com/story/news/healthcare/2023/09/13/ron-desantis-health-officials-contradict-cdc-on-covid-shot-guidance-florida/70843674007/
Probably pay walled.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 13, 2023, 12:16:37 PM
I'd imagine ev owners would be SOL in a power failure, after hurricane, or big flood like Florida and california recently experienced.
It is a stupid solution to a non-existent problem, which democrat communists are famous for creating.
Yeah I'd like to see the evac plan from anyplace on the Gulf or Southern Atlantic coasts.
Post by: Anthony on September 13, 2023, 04:20:26 PM
Proof that junk food is good for us:
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5306.0;attach=3711)
That's due mainly to improvements in medicine, industrialization, etc. So, I assume you're kidding.
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 13, 2023, 04:45:47 PM
That's due mainly to improvements in medicine, industrialization, etc. So, I assume you're kidding.Partially kidding, but also just pointing out that increases in life expectancy belie the claims of processed food being bad for us. The claims that life expectancy increased because of the factors you mention appear to be informed speculation, not proven factors as far as I know.
But if you do a search for reasons of increased life expectancy, you'll find many authors point to polio and smallpox vaccines as well as antibiotics as the major factors along with improved sewage handling.
Post by: Rush on September 13, 2023, 06:47:43 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 13, 2023, 07:37:02 PM
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on September 13, 2023, 07:56:01 PM
I just realized the huge dip in life expectancy for younger people in the UK around 1918 in that graph was likely WWI deaths followed by the Spanish flu. Another hit to the younger generations appears during the WWII years.Yes. I think you break it down by gender you will see the one in 1918 is primarily in males. Trench warfare killed a huge number of young men.
Post by: nddons on September 14, 2023, 05:38:17 AM
I just realized the huge dip in life expectancy for younger people in the UK around 1918 in that graph was likely WWI deaths followed by the Spanish flu. Another hit to the younger generations appears during the WWII years.I noticed that too, and thought about WWI but didn’t think about the Spanish flu.
Post by: Rush on September 14, 2023, 05:53:32 AM
I noticed that too, and thought about WWI but didn’t think about the Spanish flu.
Me too, and I wonder what happened around 1725?
Post by: Number7 on September 14, 2023, 05:54:34 AM
Me too, and I wonder what happened around 1725?
I think that was cholera.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 14, 2023, 07:09:05 AM
Seventh article.
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/a-lot-of-twinkies-thursday-september
Quote
Dr. Whelan also noted that the federal government isn’t even really trying to figure out the risks of the shots:
There is no robust follow-up now with regards to the side-effects of the older vaccines. I would think we’d want to create a means by which the parents of every covid-vaccinated child would be called at a one-week, one-month, six-month interval to ask how they’re doing, rather than making people navigate the vicissitudes of the VAERS system.
I had a patient, a 7-year-old, who died in our hospital after he received a covid vaccine, and VAERS would not allow me to update my initial VAERS report to indicate the child had actually died subsequently.
Even with the VAERS database, we’re under-appreciating how grave the risks of the vaccine might be.
Post by: Lucifer on September 14, 2023, 07:16:02 AM
Those involved in the vaccine scams made billions upon billions of dollars. With a river of money, there was no need for safeguards, and the government along with the pharmaceuticals squelched any claims or talk about injuries including death.
Those injuries or deaths were just a minor inconvenience to those raking in the billions.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 14, 2023, 08:35:21 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 14, 2023, 09:06:11 AM
I noticed that too, and thought about WWI but didn’t think about the Spanish flu.For anyone interested, this is the web page containing the graph I posted:
https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy (https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy)
It has a bunch of interesting graphs on the changes of life expectancy around the world.
Post by: Rush on September 14, 2023, 10:16:15 AM
Sunday and Monday I was down for the count. Coughing, sneezing, runny nose no fever. Could it have been COVID, don't know, don't acre, stayed away from people. Feeling much better by Tuesday had to take my wife for a CT and X-Rays in preparation for her back surgery. By Tuesday night she was showing symptoms and canceled a visit to the cardiologists office for her cardiac clearance for surgery, rescheduled for Tuesday. She was down hard yesterday but doing better today. She has an appointment with her PCP. She called them this morning to tell them how she was feeling and all and they told her to bring it on.
I hope she continues getting better.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 14, 2023, 10:24:22 AM
I hope she continues getting better.Thank you, she doesn't tend to sleep well because of her back and shoulder and that will slow the healing progress some. Says she is 20% better today.
Over the next several months she will undergo back surgery that will leave her fused from L1 - S1. After about three months of healing for that she will need to have a reverse shoulder emplacement on her right shoulder and the rehab from that will be time consuming. I'm going to be a busy man.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 14, 2023, 10:26:41 AM
Post by: Rush on September 14, 2023, 11:23:12 AM
Thank you, she doesn't tend to sleep well because of her back and shoulder and that will slow the healing progress some. Says she is 20% better today.
Over the next several months she will undergo back surgery that will leave her fused from L1 - S1. After about three months of healing for that she will need to have a reverse shoulder emplacement on her right shoulder and the rehab from that will be time consuming. I'm going to be a busy man.
You’re a good hubby. :)
Post by: Lucifer on September 17, 2023, 11:59:36 AM
Post by: Rush on September 17, 2023, 01:12:42 PM
https://slaynews.com/news/bill-gates-covid-profiteering-exposed-global-terrorist/
I’m sure buried in my investments I own drug company stock and profited from the vaccines too. The difference is I have zero input into public policy to force them on people, or to lie to the public about them, or to decide to fund them with tax dollars which I also paid. This kind of megalomaniacal control over large swaths of society should be criminal and makes me sympathetic to why the left despises “capitalism”. (Or at least used to claim to.) This is abuse of capitalism and should not be tolerated but only exists because of the enabling of government (did I mention my tax dollars?)
Post by: Anthony on September 17, 2023, 02:24:03 PM
I’m sure buried in my investments I own drug company stock and profited from the vaccines too. The difference is I have zero input into public policy to force them on people, or to lie to the public about them, or to decide to fund them with tax dollars which I also paid. This kind of megalomaniacal control over large swaths of society should be criminal and makes me sympathetic to why the left despises “capitalism”. (Or at least used to claim to.) This is abuse of capitalism and should not be tolerated but only exists because of the enabling of government (did I mention my tax dollars?)
It's not Capitalism that is at fault, it's Crony Capitalism, aka, Fascism, because now Government is the Crony. Blame the alliance, not the underlying Economic System.
We need to realize, we're the new Third Reich.
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2023, 05:18:56 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 18, 2023, 06:25:39 AM
Post by: Number7 on September 18, 2023, 06:37:28 AM
Then it was all our fault anyway.
Post by: Anthony on September 18, 2023, 06:50:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/2Sn6a8h.gif)
We live in a East German/Nazi Germany hybrid seemingly.
Post by: Lucifer on September 20, 2023, 07:08:16 AM
Fauci Argued Benefits of Gain-of-Function Research Outweighed Pandemic Risk in 2012 Paper
Quote
In a newly resurfaced paper from 2012, Dr. Anthony Fauci argued that the benefits of gain-of-function research are worth the increased risk of a potential pandemic-causing lab accident.
The Weekend Australian unearthed a paper Fauci wrote for the American Society for Microbiology in October 2012 in which he argued in support of gain-of-function research. Such research involves making viruses more infectious and/or deadly. Experts have raised the possibility that the COVID-19 pandemic could have originated from a potential lab leak at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan, China, where gain-of-function experiments on bat coronaviruses have been conducted.
Despite the risks involved, Fauci called gain-of-function experiments “important work” in his 2012 writing:
In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic? Many ask reasonable questions: given the possibility of such a scenario – however remote – should the initial experiments have been performed and/or published in the first place, and what were the processes involved in this decision?
Scientists working in this field might say – as indeed I have said – that the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks. It is more likely that a pandemic would occur in nature, and the need to stay ahead of such a threat is a primary reason for performing an experiment that might appear to be risky.
Within the research community, many have expressed concern that important research progress could come to a halt just because of the fear that someone, somewhere, might attempt to replicate these experiments sloppily. This is a valid concern.
The Weekend Australian report adds that Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, did not alert senior White House officials before lifting a ban on gain-of-function research in 2017.
In 2014, the Obama administration paused funding for gain-of-function experiments in 22 fields, including those involving SARS, influenza and MERS because of the increased risk such experimentation carries of causing a pandemic. In 2012, when Fauci authored the paper supporting gain-of-function research, there was a voluntary ban on such experiments related to highly infectious influenza viruses.
Yet the EcoHealth Alliance diverted $600,000 in grants from the NIH to the WIV in the form of sub-grants from 2014 through 2019, for the purpose of studying bat coronaviruses.
Post by: Mase on September 20, 2023, 07:20:04 AM
Post by: Number7 on September 20, 2023, 06:40:58 PM
Lockem up.
Execute him and the big pharma scammers.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 20, 2023, 06:41:55 PM
Execute him and the big pharma scammers.
And then lockem up.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 20, 2023, 06:54:44 PM
Post by: Lucifer on September 21, 2023, 06:54:01 PM
The anti-vaccine movement is on the rise. The White House is at a loss over what to do about it.
Quote
A Biden administration that vowed to restore Americans’ faith in public health has grown increasingly paralyzed over how to combat the resurgence in vaccine skepticism.
And internally, aides and advisers concede there is no comprehensive plan for countering a movement that’s steadily expanded its influence on the president’s watch.
The rising appeal of anti-vaccine activism has been underscored by Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s insurgent presidential campaign and fueled by prominent factions of the GOP. The mainstreaming of a once-fringe movement has horrified federal health officials, who blame it for seeding dangerous conspiracy theories and bolstering a Covid-era backlash to the nation’s broader public health practices.
But as President Joe Biden ramps up a reelection campaign centered on his vision for a post-pandemic America, there’s little interest among his aides in courting a high-profile vaccine fight — and even less certainty of how to win.
“There’s a real challenge here,” said one senior official who’s worked on the Covid response and was granted anonymity to speak candidly. “But they keep just hoping it’ll go away.”
The White House’s reticence is compounded by legal and practical concerns that have cut off key avenues for repelling the anti-vaccine movement, according to interviews with eight current and former administration officials and others close to the process.
Biden officials have felt handcuffed for the past two years by a Republican lawsuit over the administration’s initial attempt to clamp down on anti-vaxxers, who alleged the White House violated the First Amendment in encouraging social media companies to crack down on anti-vaccine posts. That suit, they believe, has limited their ability to police disinformation online. In addition, Congress is clawing back Covid funds once earmarked for vaccine education and outreach. And Biden himself has opted to largely ignore Kennedy’s campaign, concluding there’s no political benefit to engaging with the increasingly longshot challenger or his conspiratorial views.
The approach has given conservative influencers and lawmakers who have embraced Kennedy and other vaccine skeptics more space to promote their views and tout themselves as free speech warriors doing battle against the Biden administration.
And the impact is clear: As another Covid vaccination campaign gets underway, fewer Americans than ever have kept up to date on their shots. Child vaccination rates against the flu are measurably lower than before the pandemic. Even standard childhood inoculations to prevent diseases like the measles are subject to deepening partisan divisions, with recent polling showing Republicans are now more than twice as likely to believe the shots should be optional than they did in 2019. Democrats, by contrast, remain overwhelmingly in favor of childhood vaccine requirements.
“We can see a long-term future where kids aren’t going to get vaccinated in schools, diseases that we once thought had ended will roar back and kids will get sick and die from 100 percent preventable conditions,” said Lawrence Gostin, a Georgetown University public health professor who has advised the White House. “This will cost lives in the long term.”
Anti-vaccine sentiment isn’t new: In 2019, the U.S. reported the most measles cases in 27 years, an outbreak fueled by unvaccinated communities in parts of New York, California and Oregon. But its appeal was turbocharged by the pandemic, where political opposition to the Covid vaccines has melded in some corners with broader skepticism of immunizations as a whole.
In a statement, HHS spokesperson Ilse Zuniga said the administration knows “how important it is for people to have accurate, science-based information to protect themselves and their loved ones.”
“Science-based information has been and continues to be the Biden-Harris Administration’s North Star, and we will continue to work to share accurate information to protect the American public,” Zuniga said.
HHS also outlined a range of activities that it said is aimed at reinforcing that vaccines are safe and effective and promoting factual information, including monitoring social media for misinformation, working with local health officials to identify and correct misconceptions and publicizing its own set of online resources meant to address common questions and concerns.
Yet as Biden’s attention shifts to the 2024 race, administration officials and others close to the process say there is waning focus on the politically divisive public health issues that consumed his first two years.
The White House dissolved its Covid response team earlier this spring in favor of a new office focused on broader pandemic threats and is no longer deeply involved in combating the vaccine conspiracy theories flourishing daily online. When top officials mention the pandemic, it’s now mainly to tout the nation’s emergence from its crisis phase. As for Biden, he openly defied his administration’s Covid guidance earlier this month, declining to wear a mask in public on multiple occasions after being exposed to the virus.
Biden aides have instead delegated much of the responsibility for ongoing public health work back to HHS. But combating anti-vaccine sentiment on a large scale is not considered a top priority within the department, where Health Secretary Xavier Becerra has at times indicated he believes the administration has done all it can do.
“If you’re dying of Covid today, you didn’t take precautions,” Becerra said during a POLITICO health summit in June, taking an oblique shot at Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and other prominent Republicans who have advanced anti-vaccine theories. “If you listened to someone who said you didn’t have to take that precaution, it’s not just your fault, it’s the fault of that leader who doesn’t give you the best information. If leaders choose not to take care of their people, that’s on them.”
The CDC, under new director Mandy Cohen, has sought to be more vocal in countering disinformation of late. After DeSantis’ state surgeon general advised healthy residents not to get the most recent booster, Cohen called the decision “unfounded and, frankly, dangerous.”
Yet the Biden health department no longer has the resources to run the sprawling network of community-level initiatives that proved effective in boosting trust in the vaccines early in the Covid response, as congressional support for Covid funding has dried up. Those still trying to make headway lamented the inability to keep up with fast-moving conspiracies spreading across social media, leaving them overwhelmed by the flood of myths and misconceptions that gain traction before the government can mount a response.
“This is asymmetrical warfare by definition,” said one former health official who worked on the administration’s public health messaging. “We will need the people who have the levers to change that equation to focus on this issue. Being right is wildly insufficient to win a public debate.”
The administration’s scaled-back approach to the anti-vaccine movement represents a notable shift from early in Biden’s presidency, when the success of his agenda hinged on vaccinating the nation against Covid.
Back then, senior aides leading the pandemic response saw combating misinformation as a critical priority. The White House spent months pressuring social media companies to stringently enforce rules against misinformation and flagging false claims from prominent vaccine skeptics — Kennedy among them. Its Covid team spent millions of dollars on public education programs. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy used his first official advisory to label health misinformation an “urgent threat.”
The early focus extended to Biden himself, who declared in June 2021 that platforms like Facebook were “killing people” by allowing Covid conspiracies to spread. The denunciation was so harsh that even some aides leading the administration’s misinformation battle thought it went too far, and Biden soon backtracked.
Still, health experts credited the aggressiveness of the campaign for helping get the vast majority of adults their first Covid shot in just seven months. But the virus’ resurgence later that summer caught the White House by surprise, scrambling its carefully planned vaccine messaging and allowing anti-vaxxers to elevate doubts about the shot’s effectiveness.
The administration’s disinformation fight never recovered.
The 2022 lawsuit led by Republican attorneys general that targeted the administration’s work with social media companies dealt a major blow, quashing the prospect of a sustained effort to push back on anti-vaccine campaigns or target influential figures responsible for spreading conspiracy theories.
The suit set back the administration for months, according to three people familiar with the matter, as White House lawyers discouraged any initiatives that might add to the allegations.
Despite trying to not provoke a judicial rebuke, a federal judge in Louisiana nevertheless sided with the GOP plaintiffs in a July ruling. The judge banned a range of Biden officials and agencies from talking with social media companies, though the prohibition has since been paused while the administration seeks an intervention by the Supreme Court.
The administration also found itself mired for months in a standoff with congressional Republicans over more Covid funding. During that time, it pared back its ambitions and messaging, maintaining during the most recent vaccination campaign last fall that its role was primarily to ensure the vaccine was available for those who wanted it. Just 20 percent of adults got last year’s shot, according to CDC data through May 11, down sharply from the 79 percent of adults who received their initial series of vaccinations in 2021.
The White House has since dropped its push for more Covid money in the face of solidified Republican opposition, instead agreeing earlier this year to let Congress claw back more than $27 billion of unspent funds in exchange for salvaging $5 billion earmarked for next-generation vaccines.
“It’s become now a politically motivated movement,” said Peter Hotez, a virologist at the Baylor College of Medicine who has written extensively about the anti-vaccine movement, arguing that vaccine skepticism has become more embedded in conservatives’ worldview than ever before. “But I can’t get any engagement out of anybody.”
Hotez isn’t the only one arguing the administration could be doing more to combat the conspiracies and falsehoods, especially as they emerge more prominently during the current presidential cycle. DeSantis has made opposition to Covid precautions a central element of his campaign, most recently claiming without evidence the latest vaccine isn’t safe or effective. And even Trump, who oversaw the record-fast development of the initial Covid vaccine, has acknowledged that fact is doing him no favors with GOP voters, vowing that he’s “not going to talk about it one way or the other.”
“I would like to see the surgeon general really take this on, and the HHS secretary as well,” Gostin said. “They could both do worlds of good in approaching this from the health and medical point of view, not the political point of view.”
Top health officials could double down on their work with local health departments to rebuild trust, experts said, eschewing the high-cost ad campaigns the government traditionally relies on in favor of sustained partnerships with community organizations that aren’t viewed as inherently political.
Health and disinformation experts have long called for establishing a cross-government task force focused on monitoring and organizing responses to misinformation. Others wondered why the White House has not kept up communications with the network of outside public health experts it cultivated during the height of the Covid response, and who could more freely dispute anti-vaccine arguments as they arise.
“Vaccines just saved this country’s ass, and there is no counter,” said another official who was involved with the Covid response. “What is it going to take to make the case that’s obvious?”
But as the administration pivots toward Biden’s reelection platform and leaves the Covid crisis further behind, there appears little concerted new energy going toward defending the vaccines behind its success.
In June, Hotez declined an invitation on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, from podcaster Joe Rogan to debate Kennedy and his vaccine claims. It prompted a multi-day torrent of abuse from anti-vaxx accounts that amplified misinformation across the platform.
A range of colleagues, fellow health experts and even celebrities publicly joined the fray in Hotez’s defense. Others privately reached out to offer support. But, Hotez said, he never heard a word from anyone in the administration.
“It would’ve been nice if there was a call from the White House, Office of Science and Technology Policy, CDC or anybody to say hey Peter, we’ve got your back, and here’s what we’re doing about the [misinformation] issue,” he said. “Mark Hamill said I got your back. So at least I got Luke Skywalker. But nobody from the government.”
Post by: Anthony on September 21, 2023, 07:30:42 PM
Post by: Number7 on September 22, 2023, 06:23:03 AM
If democrats aren't lying,they aren't talking.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 22, 2023, 05:54:09 PM
or maybe they have come up with a different way to try to make people panic...
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
"NOTICE: THIS WEBSITE WILL BE ARCHIVED AS OF SEPTEMBER 27, 2023.
Datasets linked on this page will be available on data.cdc.gov. Please note that these datasets will no longer be updated after September 27, 2023.
Provisional data is available on CDC WONDER (wonder.cdc.gov). Data are updated weekly, and users can query data by a variety of demographic, geographic, and temporal options.
Please direct questions and inquiries to cdcinfo@cdc.gov with the subject line “NVSS Mortality Surveillance Data”."
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2023, 07:25:21 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on September 27, 2023, 07:43:06 AM
Post by: Lucifer on September 27, 2023, 07:47:28 AM
Depends on the definition of effective.
The vaxxes were very "effective" at transferring a massive amount of money from the federal government to the pharmaceuticals.
They were also effective at driving an inane narrative on covid. And the vaxxes were effective at harming thousands, if not millions.
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2023, 11:08:49 AM
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2023, 11:44:08 AM
The vaxxes were very "effective" at transferring a massive amount of money from the federal government to the pharmaceuticals……to the politicians. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Post by: Rush on September 27, 2023, 12:32:36 PM
I see more Karens wearing masks again. Middle age and older women and oddly they all have that short, page boy hair style. You know the one that says, look at me, I'm crazy and leftist.
My retina doctor was wearing the mask again. I called her on it. And to my surprise she was ambivalent, pulled it down, said she absolutely hates it and wonders if it really does any good. Seemed to not want to wear it but figured some of her patients expect it. I think she was a masker originally but is getting over it. I hope so. I think I swayed her a little that it's okay to ditch it. Her receptionist didn't have a mask and there was no requirement sign on the door like there was until last year.
Post by: Username on September 27, 2023, 12:48:37 PM
Post by: Mase on September 27, 2023, 03:31:06 PM
Post by: Anthony on September 27, 2023, 05:18:32 PM
My retina doctor was wearing the mask again. I called her on it. And to my surprise she was ambivalent, pulled it down, said she absolutely hates it and wonders if it really does any good. Seemed to not want to wear it but figured some of her patients expect it. I think she was a masker originally but is getting over it. I hope so. I think I swayed her a little that it's okay to ditch it. Her receptionist didn't have a mask and there was no requirement sign on the door like there was until last year.
Good for you! Maybe they're seeing the light.
Post by: nddons on September 27, 2023, 05:22:50 PM
Good for you! Maybe they're seeing the light.(https://media3.giphy.com/media/Bng9nsAhSaDVxWsSLh/giphy.gif)
Post by: Lucifer on October 01, 2023, 02:31:11 PM
Over 277,000 'Vaccinated' COVID-19 Cases Hidden By CDC In 2021: Newly Obtained Files Show
Quote
Some 144,349 cases among partially vaccinated people were reported by 32 jurisdictions to the CDC across three months in 2021, according to some of the files, which were acquired by The Epoch Times through the Freedom of Information Act.
Partially vaccinated has been defined by the CDC as a person who received at least one dose of a vaccine. People were described as fully vaccinated if at least 14 days had elapsed since they completed a primary series.
The Moderna and Pfizer primary series consisted of two doses while Johnson & Johnson's consisted of one dose.
The cases were recorded in California, Maryland, New York, Texas, and 28 other jurisdictions in April, May, and June 2021 and reported to the CDC.
The CDC never disclosed the numbers to the public.
"These data on partially vaccinated persons were not reported publicly but rather, were collected to ensure that that they were being appropriately excluded from the numbers of vaccine breakthrough cases as described as a best practice on the CDC website," staffers at the CDC's National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases told The Epoch Times in a letter.
On a webpage advising state and local officials on how to analyze patterns of COVID-19 by vaccination status, the CDC recommends excluding people who only received one Moderna or Pfizer dose or analyzing them separately.
The exclusion is recommended "because only people that have received all of the recommended primary series doses and have had the required duration of time to form a protective immunological response after vaccination (14 days, per the definition) would be expected to receive the full benefit of the COVID-19 vaccination," the CDC said. "In general, the immunological response to a primary vaccination series usually takes 2–4 weeks. Only partial protection is provided to partially vaccinated persons."
Stopped Reporting
The CDC stopped reporting post-vaccination infections among the fully vaccinated, or breakthrough cases, in May 2021, after disclosing that 10,262 breakthrough infections were reported to the agency by 46 jurisdictions through April 30, 2021.
The CDC said that 995 of the cases resulted in hospitalization and 160 resulted in death.
The CDC said it shifted to only reporting breakthrough cases that resulted in hospitalization or death "to help maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance."
It's not clear how many infections in the partially vaccinated that the CDC did not disclose before led to hospitalization or death.
Post by: Number7 on October 01, 2023, 03:16:05 PM
Post by: Anthony on October 01, 2023, 03:49:20 PM
The government has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it has become the ENEMY.
And tyrannical. They've got no problem lying, stealing, cheating, murdering, imprisoning and making our "country" hostile towards Citizens.
Post by: Lucifer on October 09, 2023, 12:53:55 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 10, 2023, 09:41:13 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 10, 2023, 09:46:19 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1711769181744484796
We will never forget.
Post by: Username on October 11, 2023, 06:27:45 AM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1711853727139733506?s=58
RAND PAUL: “We now have emails that show him saying that he know it was gain-of-function, that the virus looked manipulated and that he was worried that this came from the Wuhan lab… This is a bombshell revelation and this will eventually bring down Anthony Fauci.”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 11, 2023, 09:51:22 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1710359254631174284
Post by: Lucifer on October 11, 2023, 09:58:24 AM
OMG, this is great!!!!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1710359254631174284
Very funny.
That fuckwad academic Klaus Schwab has never accomplished anything in his life, yet he feels he has all the answers. With any luck God will fire his stupid ass (he's 85) before he can do any further damage to the world.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 11, 2023, 12:02:23 PM
https://twitter.com/DiedSuddenly_/status/1711769181744484796
Post by: Anthony on October 11, 2023, 03:58:13 PM
Very funny.
That fuckwad academic Klaus Schwab has never accomplished anything in his life, yet he feels he has all the answers. With any luck God will fire his stupid ass (he's 85) before he can do any further damage to the world.
He's a good Nazi. Loyal to the Party and a personal friend of Hitler when he goes to HELL. Give him the full treatment Lucifer.
Post by: Lucifer on October 14, 2023, 05:10:44 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-administration-awards-500m-covid-201637271.html
Quote
The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) on Friday announced it is awarding $500 million in grants to support the development of future COVID-19 vaccines and therapeutics.
The funds were granted through the Administration for Strategic Preparedness and Response (ASPR) as part of the federal government’s Project NextGen, which aims to enhance preparedness against future COVID-19 variants. HHS awarded $1.4 billion in grants through the same program earlier this year.
Among the recipients were the developers of two intranasal vaccine candidates: CastleVax and Codagenix. They were awarded $8.5 million and $10 million respectively.
Intranasal vaccines are rare but not unheard of. In the U.S., the spray flu vaccine called FluMist is approved for people aged two to 49.
Joanna Kaufman, executive vice president for oncology and immunology at Codagenix, recently spoke on the available data on her company’s intranasal vaccine candidate, CoviLiv, during a discussion with the Infectious Diseases Society of America.
Unlike the more common mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, the intranasal candidate from Codagenix is more traditional in that is uses a modified, weakened version of the virus to induce an immune response
“CoviLiv can induce a robust, systemic immune response after intranasal delivery of this live attenuated bio-vaccine,” Kaufman said, adding that her company’s vaccine induced a response that not only targeted spike proteins — as mRNA vaccines do — but also other viral proteins that mutate less.
ASPR assistant secretary Dawn O’Connell called the grants “important steps forward” for the Biden administration.
“The vaccine selections and funding announced today are important steps forward for Project NextGen — with vaccine and therapeutics candidates moving quickly to clinical trials that will start in the coming months,” O’Connell said in a statement.
“The technologies that [HHS] is investing in, from intranasal vaccines to self-amplifying mRNA, will bolster our protection against COVID-19 for years to come,” she added.
A self-amplifying mRNA vaccine candidate being developed by Gritstone Bio was also awarded $10 million.
According to the company, its self-amplifying mRNA vaccine differs from a normal mRNA vaccine by creating multiple copies of a virus’s RNA, as opposed to a single copy. This difference potentially allows for strong potency at significantly smaller doses and better refrigerator stability.
HHS also awarded $240 million in grants to companies developing newer viral testing and sampling technologies as well as another $241 million to companies developing new treatments like monoclonal antibodies.
“The Biden-Harris Administration is committed to keeping people safe from COVID-19,” HHS secretary Xavier Becerra wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter.
“By investing in next-generation vaccines and treatments through Project NextGen, we can improve our ability to respond to new variants, reduce transmission, stop infections, and save lives,” he added.
Post by: Number7 on October 14, 2023, 05:31:40 PM
Post by: Anthony on October 15, 2023, 01:24:24 AM
Why are we still paying for this?
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-administration-awards-500m-covid-201637271.html
The Uniparty Gravy Train has to keep rolling and as said before, the Biden's need their cut. We are a corrupt, effed up territory at this point.
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2023, 05:33:05 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2023, 09:04:46 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 19, 2023, 01:25:17 PM
Post by: nddons on October 19, 2023, 04:10:03 PM
https://twitter.com/CarlosSimancas/status/1714789257011707908Outstanding.
Post by: Anthony on October 19, 2023, 05:46:32 PM
Outstanding.
She's my hero. Love it!
Post by: Lucifer on October 21, 2023, 09:22:34 AM
Quote
In what one scientist described as an “admission of epic proportions,” Health Canada on Thursday confirmed the presence of DNA contamination in Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines, and also confirmed that Pfizer did not disclose the contamination to the public health authority.
The DNA contamination includes the Simian Virus 40 (SV40) promoter and enhancer Pfizer did not previously disclose and that some experts say is a cancer risk due to potential integration with the human genome.
Health Canada, the country’s public health authority, told The Epoch Times that while Pfizer provided the full DNA sequences of the plasmid in its vaccine at the time of the initial submission, the vaccine maker “did not specifically identify the SV40 sequence.”
“Health Canada expects sponsors to identify any biologically functional DNA sequences within a plasmid (such as an SV40 enhancer) at the time of submission,” it said.
Health Canada’s admission came after two scientists, Kevin McKernan and Phillip J. Buckhaults, Ph.D., discovered the presence of bacterial plasmid DNA in the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines at levels potentially 18-70 times higher than the limits set by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the European Medicines Agency.
They tested four expired Pfizer and Moderna vaccine vials “thought to only contain mRNA” and found to contain “double-stranded DNA plasmids.”
Health Canada said, “We have concluded that the risk/benefit profile continues to support the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine,” and that it does rely on manufacturer claims but “conducts an in-depth independent review” to make sure the vaccines meet “our high standards for safety, efficacy and quality.”
Janci Lindsay, Ph.D., director of toxicology and molecular biology for Toxicology Support Services, told The Defender this statement is “silly, not believable and not defendable,” adding that “We should not have to do the research that they should have done.”
“Why are the FDA, CDC [Centers for Disease Control and Prevention] and the mainstream media still silent about this?” asked Steve Kirsch, founder of the Vaccine Safety Research Foundation, adding that “the mainstream medical community is silent as well.”
Viral immunologist Dr. Byram Bridle of the University of Guelph in Canada, commenting on Health Canada’s admission wrote on his Substack, “This is an admission of epic proportions.”
Bridle also wrote:
“One must wonder why Pfizer would not disclose the presence of a biologically functional DNA sequence to a health regulator. Pfizer was required to disclose to health regulatory agencies all of the bioactive sequences in the bacterial plasmid DNA that they used to manufacture their shots.”
The contamination “would have been discovered sooner by independent researchers, but people were threatened with arrest if they supplied vials for analysis,” Kirsch said, claiming he faced threats if he “participated in trying to analyze the vials.”
Bridle noted that it’s been “818 total days” since the University of Guelph banned him from accessing his office and laboratory for attempting to conduct similar research, while other researchers “have been the focus of attacks from many so-called ‘misinformation experts,’” even though none “have been able to refute their findings.”
Post by: Lucifer on October 21, 2023, 09:23:41 AM
Quote
I am astonished. Canada’s health regulatory agency has made a stunning admission about Pfizer’s COVID-19 shots. They seem to be grasping reality again; at least for an issue that is a big no-no in the regulation of novel medical products.
First, some background information…
Pfizer’s COVID-19 shots consist of three parts:
A tiny genetic blueprint for the spike protein from SARS-CoV-2, which can cause COVID-19 in some people. This blueprint is called modified RNA.
Lipid nanoparticles, which are tiny fat bubbles that carry the modRNA throughout the body.
A carrier solution that allows the first two products to be injected into the body.
RNA comes from DNA. So, for Pfizer to manufacture their modRNA, they used a form of DNA that comes from bacteria. It is called bacterial plasmid DNA. This is used to make many copies of the modRNA that then get packaged into the lipid nanoparticles.
The bacterial plasmid DNA is then supposed to be removed from the material that gets injected into people. Unfortunately, it turns out that this was not done properly. It appears that most, if not all of the batches of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shots were contaminated with excessive amounts of fragmented bacterial DNA. A few of the problems is that this DNA…
can be very long-lasting
can be a source of proteins that are encoded in the DNA
has the potential to be incorporated into a person’s chromosomes
can cause inflammation in the body
was not disclosed to anyone receiving the shots
Kudos to Kevin McKernan from the USA, who is a great scientist and the person who discovered this issue.
Now, here is one of the biggest shockers about this contaminating bacterial DNA:
The bacterial DNA contains a genetic sequence called the ‘SV40 enhancer’ (‘SV40’ because it comes from ‘Simian Virus 40’). The virus from which this genetic sequence is derived has been implicated in causing cancers in people. It was odd that this was put into the bacterial DNA because its intended function is duplicated by another non-controversial sequence. Here is where things get really ugly. Pfizer was required to disclose to health regulatory agencies all of the bioactive sequences in the bacterial plasmid DNA that they used to manufacture their shots. Pfizer DID NOT DISCLOSE the presence of the genetic sequence from SV40 !!!
Here is another bombshell. A friend and member of my research team, the incredible Canadian virologist Dr. David Speicher, just released a preprint article today. He authored it with the great Kevin McKernan, awesome Jessica Rose, amazing Maria Gutschi, and fabulous David Wiseman. I can attest to the integrity and intellectual brilliance of each of these individuals.
I would like to point you to a Substack article in which Dr. Speicher provided some personal background information. The preprint article can be found here.
The results of Dr. Speicher’s research are profound. He generated the largest data set to date on this topic, using vials from multiple Canadian batches of both the Pfizer and Moderna shots. Every single one was contaminated with bacterial DNA. He also confirmed the presence of the SV40 enhancer sequence in the contaminating DNA in Pfizer’s Canadian vials. And this is hot off the press: he is the first to test a batch of Moderna’s newest booster COVID-19 shot; it was also contaminated, although Moderna’s bacterial DNA does not contain the genetic sequence from SV40.
Speicher, McKernan, and others sharing these scientific findings have been the focus of attacks from many so-called ‘misinformation experts’; none of whom have been able to refute their findings. Colleagues at my own academic institution even took to attacking Dr. Speicher in social media, at least in part as a way to get at me. Faculty and others attacking a member of someone’s research team is profoundly inappropriate. Most academic institutions would view such behaviour, at a minimum, as a form of academic misconduct.
My intention with this article is not to debate the potential harms of the contaminants. There is no question that the safety issue must be taken seriously and robust research must be encouraged and funded. After all, most people in the world have likely had excessive amounts of contaminating bacterial DNA injected into their bodies and there are multiple potential mechanisms whereby this DNA could cause harm.
What I do want to emphasize is this:
The Epoch Times just published a very important article about this issue. Note the stunning headline…
Health Canada Confirms Undisclosed Presence of DNA Sequence in Pfizer Shot
The article directly quotes an email sent by Health Canada to Epoch Times. Specifically, the following was disclosed…
“Health Canada expects sponsors to identify any biologically functional DNA sequences within a plasmid (such as an SV40 enhancer) at the time of submission"
The ‘sponsor’ in this case is Pfizer.
Health Canada went on to say…
"Although the full DNA sequence of the Pfizer plasmid was provided at the time of initial filing, the sponsor did not specifically identify the SV40 sequence."
And only because Kevin McKernan and others revealed the unexpected presence of the SV40 sequence…
“it was possible for Health Canada to confirm the presence of the enhancer based on the plasmid DNA sequence submitted by Pfizer against the published SV40 enhancer sequence."
This is an admission of epic proportions, coming from Health Canada. One must wonder why Pfizer would not disclose the presence of a biologically functional DNA sequence to a health regulator when it is clearly their responsibility to do so. I suspect that Health Canada is not happy that their rules were not adhered to and that this was only discovered by objective third-party scientists of integrity who worked diligently despite incessant harassment, defamation, and threats.
Notably, Pfizer has been granted legal indemnity for their shots; something which in and of itself should be a major concern. However, an important court ruling was recently made in Michigan, USA. Specifically, the court ruled that a pharmaceutical company’s legal indemnity was null and void for a contaminated version of the medical product. The product, but not any contaminants are subject to the legal indemnity. And failing to disclose a bioactive component would seem to go one step further. You can read an article about the legal issue here.
So, it would follow that Pfizer’s legal indemnity should be null and void for shots that contaminated with bacterial DNA that included a bioactive sequence that was not disclosed to regulatory agencies.
I wonder what people will think knowing that Health Canada has listened to ‘misinformation spreading scientists’, done their own homework, and then confirmed that they were duped by Pfizer.
If Health Canada was duped, then everyone that received a Pfizer shot was duped.
I call this a proof of principle. What other important information might Pfizer have withheld from regulatory agencies? When someone is caught being deceitful, the onus is not on the one deceived to find a way to trust the deceiver again. Rather, the onus is on the deceiver to earn trust back through a slow, methodical, and repetitious cycle.
This news was broken by Epoch Times several hours ago. This news should be breaking around the world. I just did a search and couldn’t find anything on this from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
This issue can serve as a litmus test in two areas…
If Health Canada does not immediately halt the use of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shots and pursue disciplinary action, then they are undeserving of public trust. It would be an egregious ignorance of the sacred precautionary principle.
Any state-funded news agencies that do not broadcast this bombshell information will demonstrate that they have no concern for the concept of fully informed consent, especially as they continue to espouse taking the shots.
For people who have taken the Pfizer shot, please leave honest feedback in the comments…
Did you consent to receiving shots contaminated with bacterial DNA that includes a bioactive genetic sequence for which Health Canada has confirmed its presence and that they were not informed about it, which contradicts their rules?
How does it make you feel that Pfizer duped Health Canada?
How confident are you in the ‘safe and effective’ mantra after learning of these admissions by Health Canada?
I have often been accused of spreading ‘misinformation’, even though my early warning signals, which have always been solidly based on scientific facts, have proven correct over and over again. But, you don’t need to listen to me on this one. Maybe hearing egregious admissions directly from Health Canada will help wake a few more people up to reality.
This news needs to be spread far and wide. Out of fairness, and for the sake of full disclosure, every person that received at least one Pfizer COVID-19 shot deserves to know this truth.
Post by: Lucifer on October 22, 2023, 03:36:11 AM
Quote
Breaking: You can now sue the mRNA COVID vaccine manufacturers for damages and the FDA is required to take the COVID vaccines off the market. Why? Adulteration. The plasmid bioactive contaminant sequences were NOT pointed out to the regulatory authorities. It's considered adulteration. I just got off the phone with Professor Byram Bridle and Dr. Robert Malone on this.
Michigan remdesivir case is very important precedent here proving liability shield falls when there is undisclosed contamination of active ingredients.
I’m doing a video interview with Byram and with Kevin tomorrow on this topic.
The FDA is now at a crossroads. Either they admit that they knew about the plasma contamination, and failed to disclose that to the public and to the outside committees, or they can claim that they didn’t know about it in which case Pfizer is liable. But we have the Pfizer documents that were given to the FDA so we know what the FDA got. And I seriously doubt there’s any disclosure of SV40 contamination. That means we have an adulterated vaccine and the FDA has to remove it from the market until the adulteration is fixed. If the FDA doesn’t do that, they should face criminal prosecution for endangering the public, and not following the law.
Here's the Michigan story for those who asked showing when there is contamination, there is no immunity. It makes sense. Otherwise, they can add arsenic into the vaccines and not be liable.
Post by: Anthony on October 22, 2023, 06:45:13 AM
Post by: Rush on October 22, 2023, 10:02:36 AM
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1715820838564593745.html
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Post by: Lucifer on October 22, 2023, 07:23:04 PM
Quote
New research out of Germany observing rat and human heart cells shows that within 48 hours of vaccination, the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines form spike proteins.
Spike proteins, made from the mRNA instructions inside the vaccines, were detected in the heart cells. While both Pfizer and Moderna vaccines caused cell abnormalities, the two induced different anomalies.
The different responses the cells had to the two mRNA vaccines suggest an mRNA toxicity reaction in these cells, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, a leading internist, cardiologist, and epidemiologist who has published over 1,000 research reports and is the lead author of one of the first widely utilized treatment regimens for SARS-CoV-2 patients. He added that 48 hours was a short amount of time to observe this.
Post by: Lucifer on October 24, 2023, 06:35:20 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 24, 2023, 08:33:24 AM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/
Post by: Lucifer on October 24, 2023, 08:36:53 AM
From the NIH no less.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/
Obviously fake news...........
Post by: Number7 on October 24, 2023, 09:59:14 AM
I am all for public executions.
Post by: Username on October 24, 2023, 12:24:41 PM
There HAS to be an accounting against those responsible for all the expense, deaths, torment experienced by those living with the asinine demands of the corrupt governments (municipal thru federal).You can count on it. When Trump is elected once again to the presidency, the corrupt machine will blame him for the lockdowns, masks, vaccines developed "too quickly for testing", mass hysteria, xenophobia, and a host of other ills. The CDC, etc. will be absolved as they were "just following Trump's orders". All that may happen anyway if he is not elected, but a very visible scapegoat is just what they need.
I am all for public executions.
Post by: Lucifer on October 28, 2023, 04:13:24 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/nyu-professor-who-pushes-harsher-lockdown-policy-now/
Nasty NYU Professor Who Pushed Stringent Lockdown Policies Now Wants “A Little Grace and Forgiveness” Over Pandemic Propaganda: “We Were Doing Our Best”
Quote
As the discussion progressed, Maher touched upon the socio-economic implications of the virus’s spread. He hinted that the less affluent, particularly those caring for the elderly in nursing homes, were hit harder by the virus.
However, it was NYU Professor Scott Galloway’s admission that stood out. Once an advocate for stricter lockdown measures, Galloway now believes the prolonged closure of schools did more harm than anticipated.
For much of the pandemic, Scott Galloway had been an advocate for more stringent and prolonged lockdowns as a means of combating the virus. They supported closing businesses, restricting movement, and maintaining rigorous social distancing guidelines, often criticizing government officials for not going far enough. To them, the human cost of COVID-19 was a one-sided equation where more lockdowns equaled fewer deaths.
“I was on the board of my kids’ school during COVID. I wanted a harsher lockdown policy. In retrospect, I was wrong. The damage to kids of keeping them out of school longer was greater than the risks,” said Galloway.
“But here’s the bottom line: myself, our great people, the CDC, I’d like to thank the governor. We were all operating with imperfect information and we were doing our best. But let’s learn from it. Let’s hold each other accountable, but let’s bring a little bit of grace and forgiveness in the sh*t show that was COVID,” Galloway added.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on October 28, 2023, 08:33:07 PM
Post by: Anthony on October 29, 2023, 02:56:54 AM
Galloway, go fuck yourself.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/nyu-professor-who-pushes-harsher-lockdown-policy-now/
Nasty NYU Professor Who Pushed Stringent Lockdown Policies Now Wants “A Little Grace and Forgiveness” Over Pandemic Propaganda: “We Were Doing Our Best”
The only way to deal with Fascists is to hold them accountable. We need a Nuremburg War Crimes type trial for these people starting with Fauci and this pig, with similar results and if they want a cyanide capsule, give it to them.
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2023, 04:27:43 AM
No, no, and no. They should have realized and accounted for the limitations of their knowledge at the time.
If little old me could figure out after the first two weeks how disastrous lockdowns would be, there is no excuse for these people. This is exactly why I’m libertarian: The more authority stupid people have over you, the more stupid people make stupid decisions that fuck up your life. There is a 99.9% statistical likelihood anyone in a position of authority is stupider than me. If that makes me anti-authoritarian, too bad.
Post by: Lucifer on October 29, 2023, 04:31:37 AM
If little old me could figure out after the first two weeks how disastrous lockdowns would be, there is no excuse for these people. This is exactly why I’m libertarian: The more authority stupid people have over you, the more stupid people make stupid decisions that fuck up your life. There is a 99.9% statistical likelihood anyone in a position of authority is stupider than me. If that makes me anti-authoritarian, too bad.
I'm surprised at the Nuremberg trials the Nazi's didn't use the “A Little Grace and Forgiveness” defense. ::)
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 29, 2023, 08:40:51 AM
The only way to deal with Fascists is to hold them accountable. We need a Nuremburg War Crimes type trial for these people starting with Fauci and this pig, with similar results and if they want a cyanide capsule, give it to them.The guy in that story that you're looking to "hold accountable" had no government power and was exercising his right of free speech. Fauci might be considered fair game to the extent he set policy or otherwise gave orders.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on October 29, 2023, 09:30:50 AM
Galloway, go fuck yourself.
That would be letting him and others of that ilk off too easy. They should all be doing life for treason.
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2023, 09:32:06 AM
The guy in that story that you're looking to "hold accountable" had no government power and was exercising his right of free speech. Fauci might be considered fair game to the extent he set policy or otherwise gave orders.
He was on the school board in his district and so did have government power to close the schools.
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 29, 2023, 10:49:59 AM
He was on the school board in his district and so did have government power to close the schools.That was {not} evident in the quoted material.
(Edited)
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2023, 11:14:34 AM
That was evident in the quoted material.
But I thought you said he had no government power. Granted it was limited to that school district. It wasn't federal or anything.
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 29, 2023, 11:43:40 AM
But I thought you said he had no government power. Granted it was limited to that school district. It wasn't federal or anything.Argh! Somehow I managed to drop the word "not" from my sentence. I meant to write "That was NOT evident in the quoted material." It sounded like he was just some loud mouth prof and nothing more.
Post by: Rush on October 29, 2023, 12:22:08 PM
Argh! Somehow I managed to drop the word "not" from my sentence. I meant to write "That was NOT evident in the quoted material." It sounded like he was just some loud mouth prof and nothing more.
Hahaha! Well it was buried way, way down below.
Post by: Anthony on October 29, 2023, 01:02:36 PM
Argh! Somehow I managed to drop the word "not" from my sentence. I meant to write "That was NOT evident in the quoted material." It sounded like he was just some loud mouth prof and nothing more.
So he goes to the gallows maybe number ten after Fauci.
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on October 29, 2023, 09:15:13 PM
If little old me could figure out after the first two weeks how disastrous lockdowns would be, there is no excuse for these people. This is exactly why I’m libertarian: The more authority stupid people have over you, the more stupid people make stupid decisions that fuck up your life. There is a 99.9% statistical likelihood anyone in a position of authority is stupider than me. If that makes me anti-authoritarian, too bad.Ah, but according to Dave the owner of the local FlyTime Aviation this means you have an anti-authority hazardous attitude per the FAA and are a risk if flying!
Post by: Rush on October 30, 2023, 04:28:02 AM
Ah, but according to Dave the owner of the local FlyTime Aviation this means you have an anti-authority hazardous attitude per the FAA and are a risk if flying!
I am aware, I would not have made that post if I were still pursuing a medical. ;D
Post by: nddons on October 30, 2023, 08:48:46 AM
If little old me could figure out after the first two weeks how disastrous lockdowns would be, there is no excuse for these people. This is exactly why I’m libertarian: The more authority stupid people have over you, the more stupid people make stupid decisions that fuck up your life. There is a 99.9% statistical likelihood anyone in a position of authority is stupider than me. If that makes me anti-authoritarian, too bad.If little old you and little old me could figure this out, why couldn’t our little old president figure it out?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 30, 2023, 08:54:20 AM
If little old you and little old me could figure this out, why couldn’t our little old president figure it out?
who said that he didn't figure that out?
Post by: Rush on October 30, 2023, 09:02:08 AM
If little old you and little old me could figure this out, why couldn’t our little old president figure it out?
He DID. He started expressing doubts about the wisdom of lockdowns shortly after the first round, saying they were bad for the economy. He wasn’t the one ordering them.
Post by: Lucifer on October 30, 2023, 09:05:06 AM
He DID. He started expressing doubts about the wisdom of lockdowns shortly after the first round, saying they were bad for the economy. He wasn’t the one ordering them.
And he was brutally attacked for doing it. Remember when he said he wanted everything reopened in time for Easter, and the media and leftist lost their fuckin' minds? Plus, the "experts" started crying how reckless that would be.
Post by: Lucifer on October 30, 2023, 09:16:49 AM
Quote
In a surprise to no one, only a tiny fraction of Americans have gotten the latest COVID-19 jab.
Just 7.1 percent of adults and 2.1 percent of children have taken the shots since the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended them in September for everyone six months and older, WebMD reported.
The vaccination figures, which were presented to a CDC committee last week, came from a survey of 14,000 Americans conducted Oct. 8-14.
According to the report, a whopping 37.6 percent of adults said they probably or definitely will not get vaccinated.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on October 30, 2023, 09:23:39 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/new-covid-shots-roll-devastating-results-show-happens/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/new-covid-shots-roll-devastating-results-show-happens/)No one wants the shot, but how much money have we paid for shots that will likely end up in the landfill?
Post by: Lucifer on October 30, 2023, 09:52:54 AM
No one wants the shot, but how much money have we paid for shots that will likely end up in the landfill?
Billions
Post by: nddons on October 30, 2023, 10:58:41 AM
He DID. He started expressing doubts about the wisdom of lockdowns shortly after the first round, saying they were bad for the economy. He wasn’t the one ordering them.The CDC is under the Executive Branch. He could have halted the ridiculous cdc guidance that said churches had to close but liquor stores were essential.
When state and local “public health officials” shut down churches, restaurants, and other “nonessential” businesses, they ALL pointed to the CDC as the guidance they they followed.
I’m not alone in staying at that time that Trump let us down, and needed to fix this. I swear many of you here said something similar. Now all I hear is “hindsight is 20/20.”
Post by: Rush on October 30, 2023, 11:30:33 AM
The CDC is under the Executive Branch. He could have halted the ridiculous cdc guidance that said churches had to close but liquor stores were essential.
When state and local “public health officials” shut down churches, restaurants, and other “nonessential” businesses, they ALL pointed to the CDC as the guidance they they followed.
I’m not alone in staying at that time that Trump let us down, and needed to fix this. I swear many of you here said something similar. Now all I hear is “hindsight is 20/20.”
Except he couldn’t have. The CDC thinks it has the authority to mandate all kinds of things in the interest of “public health” and they believe that authority overrides the President’s.
Post by: Number7 on October 30, 2023, 11:32:26 AM
His TDS is as obvious as it is boring.
Post by: Anthony on October 30, 2023, 12:20:20 PM
who said that he didn't figure that out?
The Deep State, including the Democrats and Establishment Republicans wanted to see if they could control us, then reduce our standard of living and quality of life. That's what man made climate change, EVs and Covid is all about. Reduce small businesses, artificially limit travel, etc.
It's all planned.
Post by: Lucifer on October 31, 2023, 07:04:00 AM
Post by: Lucifer on October 31, 2023, 02:21:20 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12693441/fauci-nih-infected-bats-camp-david-coronavirus.html
Quote
US taxpayer money was used to experiment with coronaviruses from the Chinese lab thought to be the source of the Covid pandemic more than a year before the global outbreak, an investigation has found.
The National Institutes of Health (NIH), under Dr Anthony Fauci's leadership, infected 12 Egyptian fruit bats with a 'SARS-like' virus called WIV1 at a lab in Montana in 2018, just 15 minutes away from the Maryland presidential retreat Camp David.
The WIV1-coronavirus was shipped from the Wuhan lab the FBI believes caused the Covid pandemic and was tested on bats acquired from a 'roadside' Maryland zoo.
The research - revealed this week by a campaign group - determined the novel virus could not cause a 'robust infection'.
But the research is more evidence of ties between the US government and the Wuhan lab, as well as the funding of dangerous virus research across the globe.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 31, 2023, 02:28:25 PM
somehow I just can't lend any credence to an article that places "Montana" just "15 minutes away" from Camp David.
Maybe I'm just not up on current geography.
Post by: Lucifer on October 31, 2023, 02:52:02 PM
"The National Institutes of Health (NIH), under Dr Anthony Fauci's leadership, infected 12 Egyptian fruit bats with a 'SARS-like' virus called WIV1 at a lab in Montana in 2018, just 15 minutes away from the Maryland presidential retreat Camp David."
somehow I just can't lend any credence to an article that places "Montana" just "15 minutes away" from Camp David.
Maybe I'm just not up on current geography.
DM doesn't have the best writers, and it's a British publication. I'm more interested in what this article is discusssing.
And this story is being carried on other sites. Fauci needs to be in prison.
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 31, 2023, 03:28:00 PM
"The National Institutes of Health (NIH), under Dr Anthony Fauci's leadership, infected 12 Egyptian fruit bats with a 'SARS-like' virus called WIV1 at a lab in Montana in 2018, just 15 minutes away from the Maryland presidential retreat Camp David."The author went batty and wrote some confusing sentences. The article has a world map which points out the correct location of Camp David with a label saying the bats came from a nearby zoo. It has another label correctly pointing to the lab's location in Montana to which the bats were sent. So the map manages to clarify what the author could not.
somehow I just can't lend any credence to an article that places "Montana" just "15 minutes away" from Camp David.
Maybe I'm just not up on current geography.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 31, 2023, 03:35:53 PM
Post by: nddons on October 31, 2023, 03:54:56 PM
"The National Institutes of Health (NIH), under Dr Anthony Fauci's leadership, infected 12 Egyptian fruit bats with a 'SARS-like' virus called WIV1 at a lab in Montana in 2018, just 15 minutes away from the Maryland presidential retreat Camp David."Geography is racist.
somehow I just can't lend any credence to an article that places "Montana" just "15 minutes away" from Camp David.
Maybe I'm just not up on current geography.
Post by: Lucifer on October 31, 2023, 04:44:36 PM
When the writer demonstrates such incompetence, I guess the reader can just fill in whatever he wants.
So let's just discount the entire article. ::)
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 02, 2023, 12:56:18 PM
Nurse said the jab was a huge mistake to unleash on the world. She had seen vaccinated people literally throw clots more in the last three years than in her whole career of 15 years.
She and the doctor agreed that Covid and oppressive policies had damaged health care profoundly. A large segment of health care workers found non-health care jobs and left the field entirely, some because of stupid mandates to wear masks and policy changes that harmed patients, and others because they refused the shot. Goodbye ethical, thinking workers.
If I had needed to be admitted, the doctor said he would have to send me to another hospital. We now have something called “staffed beds.” These of course never are mentioned in news stories. It’s always “beds” alone, as in “Hospitals have no beds!”to generate fear. In reality, the hospital has lost so many employees that they can’t use all their beds.
Nurse also said she has seen Pharma take full control of medicine. They start in the medical schools and never let go. Doctors are trained to see only the pharmacological solution, and scoff at everything else. Their primary intere$t i$ not the patient. But we all knew that.
Post by: Lucifer on November 06, 2023, 07:00:06 AM
Post by: Lucifer on November 15, 2023, 12:09:00 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 24, 2023, 08:54:50 PM
The jokes write themselves these days.....
Post by: Anthony on November 25, 2023, 03:26:24 AM
Post by: Little Joe on November 25, 2023, 04:13:28 AM
But my wife said that they probably keep hearing that being obese is a major risk factor so they are afraid of dying and wearing a mask is easier than losing weight.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 25, 2023, 07:19:46 AM
https://spikevax.comIf it’s a parody, it’s certainly official looking. If it’s real, at least they’re admitting the thing is ineffective and dangerous.
The jokes write themselves these days.....
Post by: Lucifer on November 25, 2023, 07:47:49 AM
If it’s a parody, it’s certainly official looking. If it’s real, at least they’re admitting the thing is ineffective and dangerous.
They’ve always know it is ineffective, and dangerous. But they can’t let that interfere with profits.
The pharmaceutical CEO’s and Pope Tony need to be in prison.
Post by: Number7 on November 25, 2023, 08:29:11 AM
Their greed and fraud killed untold thousands, if not hundreds of thousands.
Post by: Rush on November 25, 2023, 09:48:05 AM
If it’s a parody, it’s certainly official looking. If it’s real, at least they’re admitting the thing is ineffective and dangerous.
It must be real. Spikevax is listed on legitimate drug sites.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 27, 2023, 06:04:49 AM
Quote
“Litigation Floodgates are Now Open” for mRNA Vaccine Injured: Comprehensive List of 90 Attorneys Around the World Available for Lawsuits Against Vaccine Manufacturers
Post by: Lucifer on November 27, 2023, 06:42:04 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/litigation-floodgates-are-now-open-mrna-vaccine-injured/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=litigation-floodgates-are-now-open-mrna-vaccine-injured
We can only hope it expands even further. All of these people who perpetuated this injustice on society need to pay for their crimes.
Post by: Lucifer on December 03, 2023, 07:49:26 AM
Post by: Lucifer on December 03, 2023, 12:27:13 PM
Quote
Police have arrested a man in connection with a mass privacy breach of Covid-19 vaccination data.
It comes after Te Whatu Ora- Health New Zealand launched an employment investigation, accusing a health sector worker of spreading misinformation using government data about Covid-19 vaccines.
A 56-year-old man was arrested this afternoon in relation to the “unauthorised disclosure and misuse of data”, police said.
He is charged with accessing a computer system for dishonest purposes and will appear in Wellington District Court tomorrow.
“As the case is before the court, police cannot comment further,” police said.
A man believed to be a Te Whatu Ora staff member was interviewed on a New Zealand conspiracy theory site last week. He claimed he developed a database for the vaccine rollout and quoted from that work.
Former TV presenter and conspiracy theorist Liz Gunn took to X, formerly Twitter, this afternoon to report police surrounded the “whistleblower’s” house at 2.15pm and that an arrest was imminent.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 04, 2023, 08:58:53 AM
https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1731460039980855632?s=20 (https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1731460039980855632?s=20)
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/12/04/man-accused-of-vaccine-data-breach-to-be-bailed-tuesday/
Post by: Number7 on December 04, 2023, 10:26:21 AM
Fuck the corrupt, crooked, criminals of the liberal, progressive, communist, left.
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 04, 2023, 11:05:35 AM
Draw your own conclusions.....If the disclosed stats were from batches that were used in senior living centers the death rates might be within norms for those populations. I see only 10 batches mentioned with the largest batch number of 72. What were the death rates of the other 62 batches in that number range? Keep in mind that selecting only batches with the highest death rates is by definition selection bias, making any conclusions of little value.
https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1731460039980855632?s=20 (https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1731460039980855632?s=20)
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/12/04/man-accused-of-vaccine-data-breach-to-be-bailed-tuesday/
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2023, 01:55:36 PM
If the disclosed stats were from batches that were used in senior living centers the death rates might be within norms for those populations. I see only 10 batches mentioned with the largest batch number of 72. What were the death rates of the other 62 batches in that number range? Keep in mind that selecting only batches with the highest death rates is by definition selection bias, making any conclusions of little value.
Shouldn't that data be public information to begin with? What's with the secrecy?
Post by: Number7 on December 04, 2023, 01:57:20 PM
If the disclosed stats were from batches that were used in senior living centers the death rates might be within norms for those populations. I see only 10 batches mentioned with the largest batch number of 72. What were the death rates of the other 62 batches in that number range? Keep in mind that selecting only batches with the highest death rates is by definition selection bias, making any conclusions of little value.
Since the state refuses to disclose ALL death rates and criminalizes any discussion, the conclusion of government bias and typical massaging of facts to fit their narrative is far more likely.
The fact that the statistics are hidden says much more about the problem.
If those fuckers had nothing to hide they wouldn't be so obsessed with hiding it.
But go ahead and pretend.
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 04, 2023, 02:14:56 PM
Shouldn't that data be public information to begin with? What's with the secrecy?Obviously the data should be public, so the arrest is typical authoritarian BS. It is just that I seriously doubt the death rates of those batches were representative of worldwide death rates for vaccinated people. A bunch of us on this forum got the vaccine and we haven't seen any deaths among posters that I'm aware of (unless all the liberal posters dropped dead - that would explain their general absence.) The percentages presented suggest one or two of use are in fact dead but still posting.
Post by: Lucifer on December 04, 2023, 02:30:08 PM
Obviously the data should be public, so the arrest is typical authoritarian BS.
Agreed. But it is happening, so why? What are they afraid of us knowing?
It is just that I seriously doubt the death rates of those batches were representative of worldwide death rates for vaccinated people. A bunch of us on this forum got the vaccine and we haven't seen any deaths among posters that I'm aware of (unless all the liberal posters dropped dead - that would explain their general absence.) The percentages presented suggest one or two of use are in fact dead but still posting.
I believe that the insistent hiding of data, the pharmaceuticals wanting to lock up data for 75 years, the discrediting of VAERS after decades of reliable data, and the various whistleblowers point to something a bit more nefarious. Even life insurance agencies and the funeral industry have data showing higher death rates.
Something ain't right. And when we see people being prosecuted for exposing the data, that leads to even more thoughts of what's being hidden.
Post by: Rush on December 04, 2023, 02:35:32 PM
If the disclosed stats were from batches that were used in senior living centers the death rates might be within norms for those populations. I see only 10 batches mentioned with the largest batch number of 72. What were the death rates of the other 62 batches in that number range? Keep in mind that selecting only batches with the highest death rates is by definition selection bias, making any conclusions of little value.
Yes, where is the comprehensive data? Those death rates are meaningless unless we know the whole context. But it is true I think they’re trying to hide the truth.
Post by: Jim Logajan on December 04, 2023, 02:45:58 PM
http://www.angelflightsoars.org/supporting-us/supporting-angel-flight-in-memoriam (http://www.angelflightsoars.org/supporting-us/supporting-angel-flight-in-memoriam)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 04, 2023, 06:58:50 PM
I will amend my skeptical post by mentioning Wayne Cease, who posted on purpleboard.net but not here, and is a likely victim of the vaccine. His obit:Man I miss Wayne. Dude was in great shape, running, biking, gym work. Never once did he mention any heart related problems on the PB and we discussed medical stuff all the time there in the "Last" thread. I, like Jim, believe his sudden MI was vaccine related.
http://www.angelflightsoars.org/supporting-us/supporting-angel-flight-in-memoriam (http://www.angelflightsoars.org/supporting-us/supporting-angel-flight-in-memoriam)
Post by: Lucifer on December 08, 2023, 07:14:47 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 08, 2023, 08:57:42 AM
Post by: Little Joe on December 09, 2023, 04:39:06 AM
Quote
A new Florida bill filed last week seeks to expand immunization exemptions from employers, school districts and other organizations while also placing vaccine manufacturers on the hook for design defect claims and any death or injury caused by the vaccine.https://www.expresshealthcaremgmt.com/news2/new-florida-bill-wants-to-expand-vaccine-exemptions-and-hold-vaccine-manufacturers-liable/430491/#gsc.tab=0
Post by: Number7 on December 09, 2023, 06:10:09 AM
Post by: Little Joe on December 09, 2023, 09:04:46 AM
The bill needs to add liability for clinics, Doctor offices, and hospitals that ignore patient demands not to be given those drugs. A bunch of California hospitals are guilty of giving the drugs directly against patient directives.Sounds like that should be illegal without any new law.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 09, 2023, 03:33:13 PM
Sounds like that should be illegal without any new law.You know, you really do not own your life anymore and just wait until the go to the CBDC.
Post by: Lucifer on December 31, 2023, 08:29:12 AM
Quote
COVID-19 in 2023 has been full of revelations and controversy.
Most health leaders involved in the U.S. pandemic response have resigned or been replaced, with one leaving his agency with a study that received much fanfare for a somewhat controversial take on vaccines.
Compared to 2022, the science on the effectiveness and risks of masking and vaccinations has become increasingly clear with the release of highly authoritative studies this year.
Let us review the top 10 major events that took place in relation to COVID in 2023.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 06, 2024, 11:19:16 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 29, 2024, 11:51:11 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 03, 2024, 10:32:17 AM
My wife is having her Neuro stimulator installed today. The prep nurse was swapping for MRSA and I asked if they tested for COVID. She said no, very few hospitalizations and the symptoms are usually slight. I said, you mean like a cold and she chuckled. I think I like her.My husband just got a call from his Mom’s care home. She’s 97 and vaxxed (against his advice) and has now tested positive for covid.
The doctor there wants to start her on Paxlovid right away. She is asymptomatic and feels fine. My husband said no, and is researching.
What a mess. Paxlovid is the drug that both Bidens (quadruple vaxxed ostensibly) got and Joe got a “rebound” case of covid after taking it.
So we have vaccines that don’t prevent the disease and a drug that is supposed to stop it that allows it though AGAIN. While of course exposing you to the other side effects of the drug itself.
Madness.
Post by: Username on February 03, 2024, 10:43:08 AM
My husband just got a call from his Mom’s care home. She’s 97 and vaxxed (against his advice) and has now tested positive for covid.Ageed. It's so frustrating that there's so much conflicting information out there from the "experts". Tough to know what to do. I have no good advice to give you, but you and your family are in my prayers.
Madness.
Post by: Rush on February 03, 2024, 11:04:39 AM
My husband just got a call from his Mom’s care home. She’s 97 and vaxxed (against his advice) and has now tested positive for covid.
The doctor there wants to start her on Paxlovid right away. She is asymptomatic and feels fine. My husband said no, and is researching.
What a mess. Paxlovid is the drug that both Bidens (quadruple vaxxed ostensibly) got and Joe got a “rebound” case of covid after taking it.
So we have vaccines that don’t prevent the disease and a drug that is supposed to stop it that allows it though AGAIN. While of course exposing you to the other side effects of the drug itself.
Madness.
I would demand to know why they tested her for Covid at all if she has no symptoms. It has a false positive rate, she might not have it at all and would be exposing herself to the side effects of a drug for no benefit.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 03, 2024, 11:37:35 AM
I would demand to know why they tested her for Covid at all if she has no symptoms. It has a false positive rate, she might not have it at all and would be exposing herself to the side effects of a drug for no benefit.They are trying to keep in one area of the facility everyone who tests positive for covid. So they’re testing EVERYONE regularly.
Agree the false positives are a problem. Since I posted, my husband easily determined that two of the drugs she is on contraindicate Paxlovid because they don’t clear the liver fast enough to deal with Paxlovid without liver damage. I think he should talk to the doctor about that but he feels it isn’t necessary. Not the first time we disagree but it is his decision.
As well, I suggested talking to our daughter who is a doctor. Our history with her was a 2.5-year silence because we wouldn’t get the vax. She’s softened toward us but my husband thinks covid is still a no-go zone.
It occurs to me that shoving every positive tested person into essentially a covid ward could be infecting people who don’t have covid. They already have moved her out (her hall became the covid ward) and now are moving her back. The trust in the tests is insane.
Post by: Little Joe on February 03, 2024, 01:00:03 PM
They are trying to keep in one area of the facility everyone who tests positive for covid. So they’re testing EVERYONE regularly.So if someone gets a false positive, they are moved to the area where everyone has it so that they are sure to get it.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 03, 2024, 01:18:57 PM
what's the false positve rate for the 15 minute quick test?
What's the false positive rate for the PCR test?
Post by: Rush on February 03, 2024, 03:42:44 PM
They are trying to keep in one area of the facility everyone who tests positive for covid. So they’re testing EVERYONE regularly.
Agree the false positives are a problem. Since I posted, my husband easily determined that two of the drugs she is on contraindicate Paxlovid because they don’t clear the liver fast enough to deal with Paxlovid without liver damage. I think he should talk to the doctor about that but he feels it isn’t necessary. Not the first time we disagree but it is his decision.
As well, I suggested talking to our daughter who is a doctor. Our history with her was a 2.5-year silence because we wouldn’t get the vax. She’s softened toward us but my husband thinks covid is still a no-go zone.
It occurs to me that shoving every positive tested person into essentially a covid ward could be infecting people who don’t have covid. They already have moved her out (her hall became the covid ward) and now are moving her back. The trust in the tests is insane.
Exactly. And the liver thing is what I was thinking; the very elderly clear drugs more slowly than healthy young people and are more vulnerable to liver toxicity. That's one reason they reduce doses of some drugs for them. But I hear you it's his call. It's not easy being the Healthcare PoA for your elderly parent, BTDT and now I get to be "Executrix". What a ride this is.
Post by: Little Joe on February 04, 2024, 04:44:36 AM
Exactly. And the liver thing is what I was thinking; the very elderly clear drugs more slowly than healthy young people and are more vulnerable to liver toxicity. That's one reason they reduce doses of some drugs for them. But I hear you it's his call. It's not easy being the Healthcare PoA for your elderly parent, BTDT and now I get to be "Executrix". What a ride this is.For some reason, the term "Executrix" always makes me chuckle.
Post by: Rush on February 04, 2024, 05:45:16 AM
For some reason, the term "Executrix" always makes me chuckle.
Yeah, my husband goes, “Ooooo you get to be the dominatrix.” And I’m like, “No you stupid idiot. Executrix, not dominatrix.” He was kidding of course. Or maybe executrix is a woman who chops people’s heads off. My job is to “execute”. Except the only thing I get to execute is my mother’s will.
Post by: Little Joe on February 04, 2024, 07:52:52 AM
Yeah, my husband goes, “Ooooo you get to be the dominatrix.” And I’m like, “No you stupid idiot. Executrix, not dominatrix.” He was kidding of course. Or maybe executrix is a woman who chops people’s heads off. My job is to “execute”. Except the only thing I get to execute is my mother’s will.I was sort of thinking of a female executive that turns tricks.
(Ok, I'll go to my room now).
Post by: Username on February 04, 2024, 08:27:24 AM
I was sort of thinking of a female executive that turns tricks.OOOOOOH! The hot female business executive shaking out her hair at the end of the day, kicking back while she loosens her scarf, and then............
(Ok, I'll go to my room now).
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 04, 2024, 09:07:30 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 04, 2024, 09:30:40 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 23, 2024, 12:38:50 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 26, 2024, 06:31:53 AM
Quote
Cause of death released for Cobb County college football player who collapsed during workout
Post by: Little Joe on February 26, 2024, 07:26:28 AM
People that received the vaccine but never contracted the disease.
People that received the vaccine any yet still contracted the disease.
People that did NOT receive the vaccine and did NOT contract the disease
People that did NOT receive the vaccine and DID contract the disease.
Just saying that a lot of people get these clots after getting the vaccine tells me nothing with context.
Perhaps those studies are out there and I just haven't seen them.
One thing about the vaccines that really does bother me is the number of people that are fully vaccinated and still get the virus. Like my wife did. She had a very serious side effect but we still don't know if it was caused by the vaccine or the disease.
Post by: Rush on February 26, 2024, 07:49:43 AM
I still have not seen statistics showing the prevalence of pulmonary embolisms or other blood clots when comparing:
People that received the vaccine but never contracted the disease.
People that received the vaccine any yet still contracted the disease.
People that did NOT receive the vaccine and did NOT contract the disease
People that did NOT receive the vaccine and DID contract the disease.
Just saying that a lot of people get these clots after getting the vaccine tells me nothing with context.
Perhaps those studies are out there and I just haven't seen them.
One thing about the vaccines that really does bother me is the number of people that are fully vaccinated and still get the virus. Like my wife did. She had a very serious side effect but we still don't know if it was caused by the vaccine or the disease.
To my knowledge not only have there not been studies parsing all that out, I'm not sure it's possible, especially at this point when it seems nearly everyone who got the vax has also gotten the disease. One thing that is very clear is that the vax DOES NOT prevent you from getting the disease.
Furthermore, you can get such a mild version of the disease you don't even know you had it, or like me, you get a cold and don't even test for the disease. If I buy the farm tomorrow from a clot, there is no way to prove it was the vax and not the disease, nor can you prove I wouldn't have died from a clot had Covid never happened at all.
Post by: Lucifer on February 26, 2024, 07:58:20 AM
To my knowledge not only have there not been studies parsing all that out, I'm not sure it's possible, especially at this point when it seems nearly everyone who got the vax has also gotten the disease. One thing that is very clear is that the vax DOES NOT prevent you from getting the disease.
Furthermore, you can get such a mild version of the disease you don't even know you had it, or like me, you get a cold and don't even test for the disease. If I buy the farm tomorrow from a clot, there is no way to prove it was the vax and not the disease, nor can you prove I wouldn't have died from a clot had Covid never happened at all.
And very convenient for the pharmaceuticals.
Post by: Username on February 26, 2024, 08:31:54 AM
I still have not seen statistics showing the prevalence of pulmonary embolisms or other blood clots when comparing:Exactly right. I've not seen proper studies. The increase in what we're seeing might be that it's being reported more now, and was historically never reported at all. But I don't trust that the studies HAVE been done and the medical peer reviewers reject the studies for publication, the MSM is not reporting it as it goes against the narrative (profit), and anyone who dares to publish such a study is clearly a white supremacist racist transphobe.
People that received the vaccine but never contracted the disease.
People that received the vaccine any yet still contracted the disease.
People that did NOT receive the vaccine and did NOT contract the disease
People that did NOT receive the vaccine and DID contract the disease.
Post by: Username on February 26, 2024, 08:32:38 AM
And very convenient for the pharmaceuticals.I'm sure there's a pill for that.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 26, 2024, 09:09:03 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 26, 2024, 09:14:12 AM
We’re now on Day 23 of her having NO SYMPTOMS and thankfully, she has not been on an unnecessary DRUG. They moved her back to her usual room.
Post by: Username on February 26, 2024, 09:33:35 AM
Update on my husband’s mother (97). Her care home tested her positive for covid and although she had NO SYMPTOMS they moved her into the covid ward and said they were starting her on Paxlovid. My husband said NO PAXLOVID.It's great that she's back in normal surroundings, and also that your husband was able to stand up to the medical community. And that they listened. 23 days on the covid ward surrounded by "sick" people is no fun, but she was also surrounded by family. I hope she was able to see your faces without those stupid masks. Really good news there.
We’re now on Day 23 of her having NO SYMPTOMS and thankfully, she has not been on an unnecessary DRUG. They moved her back to her usual room.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 26, 2024, 09:49:58 AM
Update on my husband’s mother (97). Her care home tested her positive for covid and although she had NO SYMPTOMS they moved her into the covid ward and said they were starting her on Paxlovid. My husband said NO PAXLOVID.It is unbelievable that the company that makes a worthless vaccine that doesn't stop anything also happen to make the drug they say you should take to treat the disease you should have never gotten. "If it COVID, Paxlovid"
We’re now on Day 23 of her having NO SYMPTOMS and thankfully, she has not been on an unnecessary DRUG. They moved her back to her usual room.
Post by: Lucifer on February 26, 2024, 10:07:17 AM
Update on my husband’s mother (97). Her care home tested her positive for covid and although she had NO SYMPTOMS they moved her into the covid ward and said they were starting her on Paxlovid. My husband said NO PAXLOVID.
We’re now on Day 23 of her having NO SYMPTOMS and thankfully, she has not been on an unnecessary DRUG. They moved her back to her usual room.
So you denied Pfizer their profits?
Post by: Lucifer on February 26, 2024, 10:08:00 AM
It is unbelievable that the company that makes a worthless vaccine that doesn't stop anything also happen to make the drug they say you should take to treat the disease you should have never gotten. "If it COVID, Paxlovid"
$$$$$$
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 26, 2024, 10:22:06 AM
It is unbelievable that the company that makes a worthless vaccine that doesn't stop anything also happen to make the drug they say you should take to treat the disease you should have never gotten. "If it COVID, Paxlovid"Not only the disease you should never have gotten, but that you probably didn’t actually have.
Post by: Anthony on February 26, 2024, 12:15:07 PM
Post by: Username on February 26, 2024, 12:48:28 PM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 05, 2024, 08:59:21 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 23, 2024, 03:38:17 PM
https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com/p/the-fda-settled-with-us-because-they
Quote
In my book, The War on Ivermectin, Chapter 33 is called “The Horse Dewormer PR Campaign.” I invite you to see this previous post where I detail the campaign’s highly coordinated and sequentially timed actions between the FDA, CDC, AMA, APHA and corporate controlled media (i.e. late night hosts, news broadcasts, newspapers etc). Clearly, the goal of the campaign was to convince the public that ivermectin was a dangerous and ineffective horse dewormer.
In the wake of that campaign, pharmacies stopped filling valid, legal prescriptions and hospitals removed ivermectin from their formularies. Never had an FDA approved drug, one of the (if not the) safest prescribed medications in history ever been vilified or restricted to this extent. Just like hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin had to be stopped.
The FDA’s role in that campaign started with the posting of the below tweet on August 21, 2021, a week after the report on the below left came out, showing a massive rise in ivermectin prescriptions in the U.S during the deadly Delta wave.
Post by: Anthony on March 24, 2024, 03:01:27 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 09, 2024, 10:34:45 AM
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2309003
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 09, 2024, 05:10:48 PM
If it's Covid, Paxlovid.... ::) ::)
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2309003
In other words, the drug is worthless. Also, they seem to be ignoring in this study the fact that the multiply vaccinated are getting Covid. So the vaccine would be worthless too.
Quote
CONCLUSIONS
The time to sustained alleviation of all signs and symptoms of Covid-19 did not differ significantly between participants who received nirmatrelvir–ritonavir and those who received placebo. (Supported by Pfizer; EPIC-SR ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT05011513.)
Post by: Lucifer on April 17, 2024, 06:49:57 AM