PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on March 12, 2021, 06:29:47 AM
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If one shot is 90% effective, and the severe side effects are after the second shot, is it really worth it to gain another 5% effectiveness?
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how common are "severe side effects" of the 2nd shot?
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https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/utah-mom-kassidi-kurill-dies-days-after-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/
A 39-year-old single mom in Utah with no underlying medical conditions died four days after receiving her second dose of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine, according to a report.
Kassidi Kurill, a mother of one from Ogden, received the vaccine due to her work as a surgical tech for several plastic surgeons, KUTV reported.
“She was absolutely fine with getting it. In fact, she told all of us, ‘It’s fine, you guys should all get it,’” her father, Alfred Hawley, told the outlet.
Kurill experienced a sore arm after the first jab of Moderna, but had no other side effects.
But things took a tragic turn after she received her second dose on Feb. 1.
“She came in early and said her heart was racing and she felt like she needed to get to the emergency room,” Hawley said.
When they arrived at the ER, Kurill was throwing up. Hawley, a retired fighter pilot, told doctors his daughter had just received her second shot.
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Mrs. Steingar just got her second of the Moderna and had a tough time. Feverish and sick for two days. Don't need that ride. I'm in for one. But it does depend on who you are. I have an amazing immune system for someone my age. I rarely get sick, and when I do it isn't nearly bad as others who get the same (presumably) illness. I went to Guatemala, ate everything offered to me and never got sick. I suspect that after one challenge I will be sufficiently immunized.
It just depends on who you are. If you get that sick from the second shot, all it means is that the first really did its job, and when you got the second you were already sufficiently immune. If you're like me, perhaps get the Pfizer, which they were considering reducing to one shot anyway. Or get the J&J, which is only one shot. But if you get sick easily, if your immune system isn't that well up to snuff, chancing that second shot isn't a bad idea.
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https://kutv.com/news/local/utah-woman-39-dies-4-days-after-2nd-does-of-covid-19-vaccine-autopsy-ordered
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how common are "severe side effects" of the 2nd shot?
70-80% have “systemic” side effects varying from mild to severe with only a small portion severe. Systemic includes headache, fatigue, joint and muscle pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and fever. In the case of my mother this would be problematic even if mild. I’m wondering if we should consider only getting her the first.
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70-80% have “systemic” side effects varying from mild to severe with only a small portion severe. Systemic includes headache, fatigue, joint and muscle pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and fever. In the case of my mother this would be problematic even if mild. I’m wondering if we should consider only getting her the first.
It's Russian Roulette. They are treating this like the Black Plague even though the survival rate is 99.95%. And our wonderful government in conjunction with their Ministry of Propaganda (MSM, Big Tech) have obscured and skewered the actual numbers of deaths from this virus. Now we are told to go get an injection of this crap, but oh, even after your injection still wear mask and social distance, well, because.
It's going to be interesting to see the long term consequences of this vaccine. Of course, FedGov and Big Tech/MSM will go to great lengths to conceal that as well.
Yes, I take a hard line against all of the covidiocy going on. It's the greatest hoax ever perpetuated against entire countries, and it's painfully obvious it's been done for political purposes. Even HR 1, the Covid Relief Bill just signed only 9% of the $2 trillion goes for covid, the rest is a simple raiding of the treasury for radical leftist. This government doesn't give two shits about covid, and that's obvious on our southern border where over 100,000 have recently crossed and 25%+ were covid positive, and allowed to go into our population. That right there sums up how concerned your fedgov truly is about covid.
This is far from over. Nancy and Chuck are already working on a new "covid stimulus" bill. They need covid to stick around so they can keep raiding the treasury. FedGov needs covid so they can keep up shredding individual rights.
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The government and MSM cheer that the "COVID Relief Bill" has overwhelming support. But I doubt that anyone who supports it actually knows what's in the bill beyond the name and $1400 to those the government thinks needs it. If they knew that 92% of the $2 Trillion goes to bailing out democrat states and cities, foreign countries, and pet projects, who would really support it?
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The government and MSM cheer that the "COVID Relief Bill" has overwhelming support. But I doubt that anyone who supports it actually knows what's in the bill beyond the name and $1400 to those the government thinks needs it. If they knew that 92% of the $2 Trillion goes to bailing out democrat states and cities, foreign countries, and pet projects, who would really support it?
Very few.
That's why the "crumbs payment" is included. Remember, Xiden promised $2000, then reneged after the GA runoff.
Granny Boxwine and Crying Chuck, along with their pal the Turtle threw in the $1400 payment so that the useful idiots won't pay attention to the rest. Never mind that this bill will cost each and every American $17,000+ plus.
And now Granny Boxwine is already working on another "stimulus".
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It's Russian Roulette. They are treating this like the Black Plague even though the survival rate is 99.95%. And our wonderful government in conjunction with their Ministry of Propaganda (MSM, Big Tech) have obscured and skewered the actual numbers of deaths from this virus. Now we are told to go get an injection of this crap, but oh, even after your injection still wear mask and social distance, well, because.
It's going to be interesting to see the long term consequences of this vaccine. Of course, FedGov and Big Tech/MSM will go to great lengths to conceal that as well.
Yes, I take a hard line against all of the covidiocy going on. It's the greatest hoax ever perpetuated against entire countries, and it's painfully obvious it's been done for political purposes. Even HR 1, the Covid Relief Bill just signed only 9% of the $2 trillion goes for covid, the rest is a simple raiding of the treasury for radical leftist. This government doesn't give two shits about covid, and that's obvious on our southern border where over 100,000 have recently crossed and 25%+ were covid positive, and allowed to go into our population. That right there sums up how concerned your fedgov truly is about covid.
This is far from over. Nancy and Chuck are already working on a new "covid stimulus" bill. They need covid to stick around so they can keep raiding the treasury. FedGov needs covid so they can keep up shredding individual rights.
Spot on on every point.
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Spot on on every point.
Yep.
The number of shots matters not to me. I'm not getting any.
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https://nypost.com/2021/03/11/utah-mom-kassidi-kurill-dies-days-after-second-dose-of-covid-19-vaccine/
Found this followup:
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So what I get from that is that she probably had an acetaminophen habit, with resultant damage to her liver and kidneys, and the acetaminophen she took for the discomfort resulting from the second shot tipped her liver and kidneys over the edge of no return.
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So what I get from that is that she probably had an acetaminophen habit, with resultant damage to her liver and kidneys, and the acetaminophen she took for the discomfort resulting from the second shot tipped her liver and kidneys over the edge of no return.
It sure does sound that way. That’s scary, I know you can have gradually failing kidneys without symptoms but I thought gradual liver damage would signal itself but confess I never really looked it up.
If this is really what happened to her, she would have died anyway the next time she had a neuralgia attack and took Tylenol. The vaccine only was the trigger, much like virtually all the covid deaths just triggered somebody who was for all intents and purposes terminal anyway (average covid death age is the same as average lifespan).
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It sure does sound that way. That’s scary, I know you can have gradually failing kidneys without symptoms but I thought gradual liver damage would signal itself but confess I never really looked it up.
If this is really what happened to her, she would have died anyway the next time she had a neuralgia attack and took Tylenol. The vaccine only was the trigger, much like virtually all the covid deaths just triggered somebody who was for all intents and purposes terminal anyway (average covid death age is the same as average lifespan).
Or, that guy isn’t really a doctor, Kassidi didn’t really have trigeminal neuralgia, didn’t take acetaminophen, and didn’t die of liver failure.
It’s the internet, after all.
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Or, that guy isn’t really a doctor, Kassidi didn’t really have trigeminal neuralgia, didn’t take acetaminophen, and didn’t die of liver failure.
It’s the internet, after all.
If he’s not he’s practicing medicine without a license.
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By the way, the second shot sucked and laid me low for a day. I still say get it. All it means is I was good and immune, and that's a good thing to know. The effects lasted a day and were done.
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By the way, the second shot sucked and laid me low for a day. I still say get it. All it means is I was good and immune, and that's a good thing to know. The effects lasted a day and were done.
Same here. My second shot was very hard for about 48 hours. Got each one of the side effect in spades.
But to compare, I've had pneumonia before, and pneumonia is FAR worse than the worse effects from the shot. So I would still take it in a heartbeat even if I need to get boosters with the same side effects every 6 months.
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one of the dilemnas is trading the certainty of adverse side-effects of the vaccine for the low risk of hospitalization and even lower risk of death.
your body... your choice.
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I have coworker who has been very sick for a week with side effects from his second shot, the Moderna.
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My 2nd Pfizer shot was Monday, on Tuesday I experienced tiredness, a sore arm, and very mild joint pain. By Wednesday morning, I was back to 100%.
YSEMV
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one of the dilemnas is trading the certainty of adverse side-effects of the vaccine for the low risk of hospitalization and even lower risk of death.
your body... your choice.
What "certainty of adverse side-effects"? Neither my wife or I had any adverse side effects. And neither did most of the people that I know that got the shots. Yeah, sure there were a few people that had side-effects, and everyone heard about them.
I'm glad I got the shots. I don't care if some call that virtue signaling or not.
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What "certainty of adverse side-effects"? Neither my wife or I had any adverse side effects. And neither did most of the people that I know that got the shots. Yeah, sure there were a few people that had side-effects, and everyone heard about them.
I'm glad I got the shots. I don't care if some call that virtue signaling or not.
Let us ask ourselves why vaccinated people can still host and transmit COVID. From Powerline blog, and a medical professional:
“Again, please listen to Dr. Peter McCullough for a scholarly and reputable indictment of the vaccine zealotry. One need only Search "Peter McCullough and COVID vaccine" for multiple sources of his commentary. Paul and others here would do well to listen before engaging in the over promotion of this human experiment.
It is critical that everyone understand that this vaccine does not prevent transmission. In fact, based on the assessment of Dr. Geert Vanden Bossch, and immunologist in the Netherlands, this vaccine acts like several failed vaccines over the last 50 years insofar as it is "leaky". It significantly reduces morbidity but allows the host to contain the virus and also transmitted. It gives the virus a lengthy "pitstop" where it can get better tires, a new spoiler, more boost on the turbocharger, and over decades, even a brand-new engine.
When the virus then is exposed to human hosts with no immunity whatsoever, they die quickly. Look up what happened with the vaccine for chickens against the Marek virus to understand this phenomenon.
Meanwhile, the vaccinated hosts can develop antibody dependent enhancement creating a much greater inflammatory reaction when exposed to the wild virus down the road. None of this has been vetted or studied. This is what informed consent is all about, and it has absolutely not been rendered.”
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Do people understand that there is a difference between a replication-capable virus strand and one that is not replication-capable?
Both will be detected by the various covid-19 tests.
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What "certainty of adverse side-effects"? Neither my wife or I had any adverse side effects. And neither did most of the people that I know that got the shots. Yeah, sure there were a few people that had side-effects, and everyone heard about them.
I'm glad I got the shots. I don't care if some call that virtue signaling or not.
This is virtue signaling:
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This is making fun of virtue signalers:
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Let us ask ourselves why vaccinated people can still host and transmit COVID. From Powerline blog, and a medical professional:
“Again, please listen to Dr. Peter McCullough for a scholarly and reputable indictment of the vaccine zealotry. One need only Search "Peter McCullough and COVID vaccine" for multiple sources of his commentary. Paul and others here would do well to listen before engaging in the over promotion of this human experiment.
It is critical that everyone understand that this vaccine does not prevent transmission. In fact, based on the assessment of Dr. Geert Vanden Bossch, and immunologist in the Netherlands, this vaccine acts like several failed vaccines over the last 50 years insofar as it is "leaky". It significantly reduces morbidity but allows the host to contain the virus and also transmitted. It gives the virus a lengthy "pitstop" where it can get better tires, a new spoiler, more boost on the turbocharger, and over decades, even a brand-new engine.
When the virus then is exposed to human hosts with no immunity whatsoever, they die quickly. Look up what happened with the vaccine for chickens against the Marek virus to understand this phenomenon.
Meanwhile, the vaccinated hosts can develop antibody dependent enhancement creating a much greater inflammatory reaction when exposed to the wild virus down the road. None of this has been vetted or studied. This is what informed consent is all about, and it has absolutely not been rendered.”
Was there a reason you put all that in a reply to my post where I pointed out that there is no certainty of adverse side effects from the vaccine? What did I miss?
I had the vaccine. I had no adverse side effects. If side effects were certain, wouldn't I have had some?
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Was there a reason you put all that in a reply to my post where I pointed out that there is no certainty of adverse side effects from the vaccine? What did I miss?
I had the vaccine. I had no adverse side effects. If side effects were certain, wouldn't I have had some?
Because I consider the fact that vaccinated people can become an incubator for an enhanced, transmissible virus renders such a side effect. Future unknown but extrapolated effects are, as well. Of all the concerns expressed over this issue, if we were to boil it down to one main one, it would be just that: antibody dependent enhancement.