PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 18, 2021, 04:27:38 AM
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/faa-launches-investigation-determining-company-used-fly-gov-whitmer-florida-not-authorized-operate-charter-flights/
why steal this one? because certain aspects of the hypocrisy can't be openly discussed on POA.
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Don’t get me wrong. I hope Wittmer and her dem buddies get torched on this issue.
But I think it’s a stretch that a company that gave her a ride needed to be a Part 135 charter. Last year a friend flew me and an A&P down to GA in his personal Citation to do a pre-buy on a Navion. He didn’t accept any payment from me (but accepted a bottle of Blanton’s.) The same thought process would need to have been a charter operation to do that. I don’t think so.
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Don’t get me wrong. I hope Wittmer and her dem buddies get torched on this issue.
But I think it’s a stretch that a company that gave her a ride needed to be a Part 135 charter. Last year a friend flew me and an A&P down to GA in his personal Citation to do a pre-buy on a Navion. He didn’t accept any payment from me (but accepted a bottle of Blanton’s.) The same thought process would need to have been a charter operation to do that. I don’t think so.
But they were paid $27,000 for the flight. I don’t understand your reasoning, what am I missing? But then it’s still early and my coffee hasn’t fully kicked in.
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If the Gov paid them for the flight and they accepted payment then the owners of the jet were holding out as a charter operator without proper certification.
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That is the same politician telling people to stay home....yet feels entitled to visit florida.
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But they were paid $27,000 for the flight. I don’t understand your reasoning, what am I missing? But then it’s still early and my coffee hasn’t fully kicked in.
She paid $855, which is probably the SIFL rate which someone pays if they are hopping a ride which is deemed personal use of a business airplane. SIFL rates are basically a per-mile + terminal charge rate published periodically by the USDOT, and are designed to force personal use pax to pay something for their use of a business aircraft. It wasn’t designed to charge the personal use pax their pro-rata share of the cost of operating the aircraft.
The owners of the aircraft presumably absorbed the actual costs of the flight. That is very likely a quid pro quo, which could be a violation, but requiring they operate as a charter operation is a stretch.
Pick a company. Say Harley Davidson here in Milwaukee. If I had a friend at HD and he got me a ride on their plane to go somewhere if they had an open seat, I would pay the SIFL rate to ride on that plane. That way HD could deduct the full business cost of operating the plane without exposing themselves to loss of deductions due to limited personal use. No way would HD be required to operate as a charter company just because they let me in the flight.
That’s how I’m looking at the corporate plane in the Wittmer incident.
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If the Gov paid them for the flight and they accepted payment then the owners of the jet were holding out as a charter operator without proper certification.
See my explanation to Rush, above.
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See my explanation to Rush, above.
If the company held out (key words) to the Gov they would fly her and her family from point a to point b for a price, then they conducted a 14 CFR Part 119 operation without an operating certificate (14 CFR Part 135).
Your described situation would work if the plane was going there anyway and she and family were offered empty seats.
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If the company held out (key words) to the Gov they would fly her and her family from point a to point b for a price, then they conducted a 14 CFR Part 119 operation without an operating certificate (14 CFR Part 135).
Your described situation would work if the plane was going there anyway and she and family were offered empty seats.
Facts not in evidence. I based my analysis solely on what was stated in the article:
“Deadline Detroit reported that Gretchen Whitmer borrowed a private jet from a group of uberwealthy Detroit businessmen.”
If they did hold themselves out, then you have a point. I’m not certain that these billionaires did that. It sounds like Wittmer asked, and the billionaires delivered. And Wittmer didn’t pay $27k, she just payed the SIFL amount.
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Facts not in evidence. I based my analysis solely on what was stated in the article:
“Deadline Detroit reported that Gretchen Whitmer borrowed a private jet from a group of uberwealthy Detroit businessmen.”
If they did hold themselves out, then you have a point. I’m not certain that these billionaires did that. It sounds like Wittmer asked, and the billionaires delivered. And Wittmer didn’t pay $27k, she just payed the SIFL amount.
Let the feds investigate. The funny part is she thought by saying that she paid for it would get the spotlight off of her, when in fact he made it worse for her and the company. She's a fuckin' buffoon of the highest order.
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Let the feds investigate. The funny part is she thought by saying that she paid for it would get the spotlight off of her, when in fact he made it worse for her and the company. She's a fuckin' buffoon of the highest order.
...and reminds us all of how utterly hypocritical the leftists are as they circle the wagons to defend her hypocrisy.
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Let the feds investigate. The funny part is she thought by saying that she paid for it would get the spotlight off of her, when in fact he made it worse for her and the company. She's a fuckin' buffoon of the highest order.
I totally agree. We dissolved titles of nobility in 1776, yet there are many in the elected class who consider themselves incapable of traveling like the plebeians.
All it would have taken to avoid this was to hop on a Delta flight to Florida.
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I totally agree. We dissolved titles of nobility in 1776, yet there are many in the elected class who consider themselves incapable of traveling like the plebeians.
All it would have taken to avoid this was to hop on a Delta flight to Florida.
um, it would have only avoid the charter question.
Why was she going to florida when she was telling the folks in Michigan to stay home?
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um, it would have only avoid the charter question.
Why was she going to florida when she was telling the folks in Michigan to stay home?
Um yes, of course. She’s a twatwaffle of the highest order, particularly with her blatant and evil hypocrisy.
I can’t solve all the world’s problems at once, so I just chose to address the charter question.
I’ll take care of world peace this afternoon; tomorrow morning at the latest. Thanks for understanding.
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She paid $855, which is probably the SIFL rate which someone pays if they are hopping a ride which is deemed personal use of a business airplane. SIFL rates are basically a per-mile + terminal charge rate published periodically by the USDOT, and are designed to force personal use pax to pay something for their use of a business aircraft. It wasn’t designed to charge the personal use pax their pro-rata share of the cost of operating the aircraft.
The owners of the aircraft presumably absorbed the actual costs of the flight. That is very likely a quid pro quo, which could be a violation, but requiring they operate as a charter operation is a stretch.
Pick a company. Say Harley Davidson here in Milwaukee. If I had a friend at HD and he got me a ride on their plane to go somewhere if they had an open seat, I would pay the SIFL rate to ride on that plane. That way HD could deduct the full business cost of operating the plane without exposing themselves to loss of deductions due to limited personal use. No way would HD be required to operate as a charter company just because they let me in the flight.
That’s how I’m looking at the corporate plane in the Wittmer incident.
What are you saying? The “dark money non-profit” that paid the rest of the $27k are the owners of the aircraft?
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What are you saying? The “dark money non-profit” that paid the rest of the $27k are the owners of the aircraft?
Nobody paid the $27,000. The $27,000 is probably the fixed and variable costs for operating the aircraft. It’s the cost of operating the aircraft, and the owners of the aircraft paid those costs, as they do whether Wittmer flies on it or not. (Of course there are variable costs like fuel that they wouldn’t have paid had the aircraft stayed in the hangar instead of flown her to Florida, but I’m sure the owners just paid the visa bill for fuel in the ordinary course of business and didn’t think twice about it.
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Nobody paid the $27,000. The $27,000 is probably the fixed and variable costs for operating the aircraft. It’s the cost of operating the aircraft, and the owners of the aircraft paid those costs, as they do whether Wittmer flies on it or not. (Of course there are variable costs like fuel that they wouldn’t have paid had the aircraft stayed in the hangar instead of flown her to Florida, but I’m sure the owners just paid the visa bill for fuel in the ordinary course of business and didn’t think twice about it.
Am I seeing things? The article says:
“The Detroit News on Friday revealed Whitmer’s private flight was paid for by a dark money non-profit and the cost was $27,521.
The non-profit was formed in 2018 to pay for Whitmer’s inauguration so it appears that she ILLEGALLY used the funds for personal expenses.
Whitmer paid $855 for her seat but the dark money paid for the remaining $27,000-ish.”
What am I missing here? Does “dark money” mean regular operating expenses on paper absorbed by the billionaire plane owner, is that what you’re saying? Give me the Dummies 101 version.
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Am I seeing things? The article says:
“The Detroit News on Friday revealed Whitmer’s private flight was paid for by a dark money non-profit and the cost was $27,521.
The non-profit was formed in 2018 to pay for Whitmer’s inauguration so it appears that she ILLEGALLY used the funds for personal expenses.
Whitmer paid $855 for her seat but the dark money paid for the remaining $27,000-ish.”
What am I missing here? Does “dark money” mean regular operating expenses on paper absorbed by the billionaire plane owner, is that what you’re saying? Give me the Dummies 101 version.
Ok, I get the confusion. “Dark money” sounds more hyperbolic than factual, but I’ll give you that.
I hit a link in the article and went one step deeper, and saw this:
“When Gov. Gretchen Whitmer was outed last month for a secretive trip to Florida in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic, her office claimed Michigan taxpayers did not foot the bill.
“What they did not tell us, however, is that Whitmer asked a group of wealthy Detroit businessmen to provide a private plane they share.
“Those businessmen have major dealings in and with the state of Michigan.
“”We wondered why she reached out to us instead of booking a private charter,” said one of the plane's owners, who exchanged his candor for confidentiality. “You can't tell a governor no. Who needs that kind of trouble?”
“Had Whitmer booked a round trip flight from Lansing to West Palm Beach through a private charter company, it would likely have cost $10,000 to $20,000, or a whopping $40,000 for the actual jet she took, according to private jet websites. The latter is more than 25 percent of the governor's salary -- before taxes.
“It is unclear whether Whitmer reimbursed the company – Air Eagle – which manages the aircraft owned by the businessmen. And, if so, at what price and from which bank account?”
So, I kind of ignored the mysterious non-descript non-profit discussion, and tried to stay as factual as possible. Again, I wasn’t focusing on Wittmer’s scumbaggery. I was ONLY focusing on the charge that the business owners should have been a Part 135 charter operation.
The ask by the governor to use someone’s plane, whether costs were paid or just a SIFL rate was paid, shouldn’t subject these businesses to a Part 135 requirement. I think this is the heavy hand of government focusing on what they think they can catch (FAR violation) instead of the clear political corruption, which could invoke RICO, which is harder to prosecute.
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Well this comment,
“”We wondered why she reached out to us instead of booking a private charter,” said one of the plane's owners, who exchanged his candor for confidentiality. “You can't tell a governor no. Who needs that kind of trouble?”
Sounds like he felt threatened. You don’t tell the governor no, but now you are being investigated by the FAA for a violation, for doing what a high ranking government official asked of you where you did not feel you could refuse.
I think I see your point. But I’m still wondering if $27,000 got taken from one bank account and put into another, as compensation for a flight.
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Exactly what I was going to quote. Says it all.
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Facts not in evidence. I based my analysis solely on what was stated in the article:
“Deadline Detroit reported that Gretchen Whitmer borrowed a private jet from a group of uberwealthy Detroit businessmen.”
If they did hold themselves out, then you have a point. I’m not certain that these billionaires did that. It sounds like Wittmer asked, and the billionaires delivered. And Wittmer didn’t pay $27k, she just payed the SIFL amount.
Standard Industry Fare Level
https://www.transportation.gov/office-policy/aviation-policy/standard-industry-fare-level
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The plot thickens.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/05/17/gretchen-whitmer-story-unravels-florida-plane-not-authorized-for-charter-flights/
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The plot thickens.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/05/17/gretchen-whitmer-story-unravels-florida-plane-not-authorized-for-charter-flights/
Ha! IRS problems too for that organization. This is fun.
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And now the thread is locked over at POS, Excuse me... POA.
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Ha! IRS problems too for that organization. This is fun.
No problem, it's all about Democrats, rules don't apply there.
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And now the thread is locked over at POS, Excuse me... POA.
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