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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: President-Elect Bob Noel on May 30, 2021, 05:56:26 AM
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So screams the headline in the 30 May Boston Globe
otoh - there is an article in the 30 May Boston Herald reporting on a new variant, "lab tests suggested that it might spread more easily than other versions of the virus"
Cue the fearmongers...
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They haven't achieved total, unquestioned obedience yet...
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This is a direct result of the lockdowns and social distancing. When you make it harder for the virus to pass itself around, mutations that make it more easily transmissible will prevail, reproduce and come to dominate.
Evolution. What happens if you lock a bunch of mice in a container that is difficult but not impossible to escape, take the few that escape, let them breed, rinse, repeat. In a few generations you have smarter mice that can all escape more easily.
I don’t have to explain this to you people. Certainly Fauci and the scientists at the CDC GODDAMN WELL KNOW THIS.
They knew it all along but after the first two weeks to flatten the curve and they saw the damage it was doing to the economy they saw an opportunity to continue the damage hoping to get rid of Trump. They didn’t give a fuck that it was going to lead to a more transmissible variant and that people lost livelihoods.
Bill Maher said as much even before COVID, that a recession where people lost jobs is worth it if it gets rid of Trump. He speaks for all Trump haters, well they created that recession. Not to mention Fauci having created the whole thing in the first place with his GoF funding of Wuhan.
May they all rot in hell.
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This is a direct result of the lockdowns and social distancing. When you make it harder for the virus to pass itself around, mutations that make it more easily transmissible will prevail, reproduce and come to dominate.
um. not quite.
You are forgetting that with fewer hosts comes fewer opportunities for mutations. Starve the virus of hosts and the virus won't be able to mutate.
yup. an effective vaccine is particularly useful for reducing hosts and therefore mutations.
Think about what happens when there is an Ebola outbreak.
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um. not quite.
You are forgetting that with fewer hosts comes fewer opportunities for mutations. Starve the virus of hosts and the virus won't be able to mutate.
yup. an effective vaccine is particularly useful for reducing hosts and therefore mutations.
Think about what happens when there is an Ebola outbreak.
Ebola is a highly lethal virus. That’s different from a virus like covid.
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Ebola is a highly lethal virus. That’s different from a virus like covid.
Ebola is definitely much much more lethal - but the whole mutation mechanism is still the same. Starve the virus of hosts and mutations cannot happen. It doesn't matter how lethal the virus is.
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Pope Tony is a modern day Mengele. Just go take a look at some of his funded “research” and while you’re there, take a good luck at who he partners with.
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Ebola is definitely much much more lethal - but the whole mutation mechanism is still the same. Starve the virus of hosts and mutations cannot happen. It doesn't matter how lethal the virus is.
The only way it cannot happen is if there are zero hosts. As long as you have any, mutations can happen and it only takes one. The covid virus mutates very quickly, so will have more mutations in a given population, regardless how few hosts. Then evolutionary selection will take over and the more highly transmissible version will out compete the others.
We see it happening. The UK locked down, the virus then changed to become more transmissible. The only way your point is correct is complete 100% isolation of every single person as you say starve it of hosts but lockdowns do not achieve complete starvation. People still have to eat, have power and water, society has to have some level of functioning. Apparently that is enough for this virus to evolve a more transmissible form.
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The only way it cannot happen is if there are zero hosts. As long as you have any, mutations can happen and it only takes one. The covid virus mutates very quickly,...
facts not in evidence.
We see it happening. The UK locked down, the virus then changed to become more transmissible.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
bottomline: I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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facts not in evidence.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc
bottomline: I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
What fact not in evidence? What of that statement was false?
Anyway yes we can agree to disagree. ;D
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The vaccines against COVID are directed against the Spike protein, which sticks out of the virus and actually gives it the Coronavirus moniker. The spike binds very avidly to a ubiquitous human epithelial protein and is part of the mechanism by which the virus gets into human cells. The spike protein hasn't mutated past vaccine surveillance, at least not yet. The mutations are in other parts of the virus, and many make it far more infective. There are others that make it more pathogenic. Unless you've been vaccinated, in which case you're immune to all of them.
The problem with the Spike protein mutating past vaccine surveillance is our antibodies are polyclonal. That is, they bind all over the surface of the spike protein. Even if it mutates and changes the surface of the spike protein, it will only block some of the antibodies, lots of others will still bind. For the spike protein to mutate to the point where no antibodies bound to it, it is questionable whether it could still bind its human counterpart.
Like I said, if you're vaccinated you get to not worry at all about any of this.
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The vaccines against COVID are directed against the Spike protein, which sticks out of the virus and actually gives it the Coronavirus moniker. The spike binds very avidly to a ubiquitous human epithelial protein and is part of the mechanism by which the virus gets into human cells. The spike protein hasn't mutated past vaccine surveillance, at least not yet. The mutations are in other parts of the virus, and many make it far more infective. There are others that make it more pathogenic. Unless you've been vaccinated, in which case you're immune to all of them.
The problem with the Spike protein mutating past vaccine surveillance is our antibodies are polyclonal. That is, they bind all over the surface of the spike protein. Even if it mutates and changes the surface of the spike protein, it will only block some of the antibodies, lots of others will still bind. For the spike protein to mutate to the point where no antibodies bound to it, it is questionable whether it could still bind its human counterpart.
Like I said, if you're vaccinated you get to not worry at all about any of this.
This is exactly correct. The mutations causing increased transmissibility do not negate the effectiveness of the vaccine.
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And if you aren't vaccinated, well, good luck. COVID sounds really nasty to me, and very random.
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And if you aren't vaccinated, well, good luck. COVID sounds really nasty to me, and very random.
It is really nasty for some people. But it's not totally random. Front line doctors have determined a pattern. Mostly people under 50 with no underlying conditions (especially obesity) seem to do fine. Over 50 and underlying conditions are the ones that get sick. Needing hospitalization is what signals likely death. Early treatment avoids hospitalization and hence death, but one of the biggest blunders in this whole thing was the lack of early treatment.
We were told in the beginning by the CDC and the WHO to stay home and ride it out. Do not come in for treatment because we have no treatment. This was not true. We always had supportive treatments like steroids, quercetin, zinc, hydroxychloroquin, vitamin D (it was determined early on that low D was associated with mortality). Many of these early treatments were debunked because they didn't work in hospitalized patients.
But the doctors actually dealing with patients found they did work, if you gave them early. They were baffled by the expert guidance to do nothing. We treat flu early, we treat any disease that could lead to pulmonary dysfunction early, we don't wait until you are so out of breath you come to the ER in desperation. By then it's most likely too late.
But this reaction was in part due to the recent Ebola scare. So some practitioners were loathe to tell covid patients to come in early, for fear of spreading the disease. In retrospect this turned out to be terrible advice and led to many avoidable deaths.
There are exceptions of course, you can find young apparently healthy people succumb to it, but as a rule, we do know who covid targets and who it generally doesn't hurt much. It's not totally random.
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And if you aren't vaccinated, well, good luck. COVID sounds really nasty to me, and very random.
And good luck with your experimental unapproved vaccine.
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And good luck with your experimental unapproved vaccine.
I’m not worried about the vaccine. Other than I think it’s folly to get vaccinated against dozens of diseases which is making our species dependent on technology but we do that in every other area of life anyway so what the hell. We are now dependent on corrective lenses when evolution should have killed off the myopically challenged. In the first world we are dependent on clean potable water we can no longer drink from a steam without getting sick. Most of use are dependent on grocery stores for gods sake.
But the mRNA vaccine itself I’m okay with since I did my own “research” (technically googling isn’t research) and it was not easy. There are so many lies and distortions. No, it doesn’t contain nanobots that are going to be remotely activated by the Chinese at some future date. No, it isn’t completely safe like the overlords in charge want you to believe.
Like everything else it’s a risk benefit analysis, not only physically, but socially and practically. Let me give you an example, my sister took my elderly mostly deaf mother for her neurology appointment yesterday. The neurologist and my mother were both vaccinated but my sister was not. It was just the three of them in the exam room. Because my sister had not been vaccinated the neurologist required all three of them to wear masks the whole time.
My mother could not hear a word the doctor said, not one word. It’s bad enough with no masks but impossible when she cannot read the lips. She kept asking the doctor to remove the mask and the doctor refused. 45 minutes of the doctor asking questions my mother couldn’t hear, my sister answering for her, my mother getting offended because she couldn’t hear that, my sister yelling what the doctor said to my mother when she kept saying “I can’t hear what y’all are saying”. My mother kept pulling her own mask down because she hates the mask. She’s not used to it. She’s been stuck in her house for over a year.
Finally my mother stated, “well I’m just going to get up and leave if you won’t talk so I can hear”. She didn’t but that is very unlike my mother to get upset with a doctor. She was stressed to the max. The mask wearing pushed her over the top. It was a miserable visit with a new neuro taking over for her retired one and because of the masks the whole “new patient visit” was a disaster.
If my sister had been vaccinated, no masks, and it would have been no worse than a normal doctor visit which is traumatic enough for my 94 year old mother.
The mask requirement is fucking insane but you aren’t going to fight the policy; the neurology practice no doubt has been admonished by their attorneys to make everyone wear masks.
Who the hell were they protecting? Two out of three people in the room were vaccinated, they weren’t going to give my sister covid, and my sister wasn’t going to give them covid, because they’re both vaccinated. Insane! Don’t talk to me about getting or transmitting the disease even if you’ve been vaccinated, that’s a load of horseshit. Steingar himself just explained how effective the vaccine is. And the CDC and politicians have now even admitted you don’t need masks if you’re vaccinated.
But because of misguided insane policies out there on the part of businesses that apparently will continue discriminating against the unvaccinated, life will become miserable unless you do it. I won’t be surprised if airlines start requiring vaccination to fly domestically.
If I felt like taking on a lot of stress and personal inconvenience to make a political point about being forced into a vaccine I don’t really want, I’d have held off and not got it. But I’m an old tired person now and I’m just not going to deal with it. So I’m capitulating to the vast, stupid nonsense society is forcing on us around this vaccine just to make my life easier and avoid crap like that doctor visit. I’m visiting my mom next week and don’t want any situation like that to ever happen again for her.
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I completely agree with you. Although it IS an experimental, unapproved vaccine and the long-term effects are not known, there is some pretty good evidence that it does work against the virus and its mutations. There may be some mutations that it does not handle, and its long-term protection value is yet to be determined. But for now it's the best we have. I delayed my gall bladder surgery for six months until I could get the vaccine just in case the surgery had to convert to an open procedure and I had to have a hospital stay. Survived on a low-fat, low volume diet and had no attacks. Got the thing out two weeks after the second vaccine. Chronically inflamed with a 1.5cm stone. Feel great now, and as a by product of the diet gained 50 pounds of useful load in my aircraft.
And I doubly agree with you that I'm just tired of the whole thing. I'm happy to be able to go out without a mask now and do fairly normal things. Looking forward to my BFR without a mask. Really looking forward to Oshkosh. If some there want to wear masks, fine. I wasn't offended when some of my Chinese students wore masks in my classroom way before this all started. I'm sure that some people will wear masks after its all over. Whatever... it's a personal choice.
So now I have a lot less stress. I *think* that the vaccine protects me. I don't know for sure. But it does allow some degree of comfort in getting back to normal.
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I completely agree with you. Although it IS an experimental, unapproved vaccine and the long-term effects are not known, there is some pretty good evidence that it does work against the virus and its mutations. There may be some mutations that it does not handle, and its long-term protection value is yet to be determined. But for now it's the best we have. I delayed my gall bladder surgery for six months until I could get the vaccine just in case the surgery had to convert to an open procedure and I had to have a hospital stay. Survived on a low-fat, low volume diet and had no attacks. Got the thing out two weeks after the second vaccine. Chronically inflamed with a 1.5cm stone. Feel great now, and as a by product of the diet gained 50 pounds of useful load in my aircraft.
And I doubly agree with you that I'm just tired of the whole thing. I'm happy to be able to go out without a mask now and do fairly normal things. Looking forward to my BFR without a mask. Really looking forward to Oshkosh. If some there want to wear masks, fine. I wasn't offended when some of my Chinese students wore masks in my classroom way before this all started. I'm sure that some people will wear masks after its all over. Whatever... it's a personal choice.
So now I have a lot less stress. I *think* that the vaccine protects me. I don't know for sure. But it does allow some degree of comfort in getting back to normal.
Yikes, I had gallstones myself. Those things can kill you if you get one lodged in your common duct. Delaying treatment has been one of the biggest catastrophes of this whole misguided lockdown adventure.
I know a women who has delayed getting an MRI all year to sort out whether she has multiple sclerosis because she needs a minor surgical procedure first to remove an implanted device that you can’t get an MRI with and because of covid delayed getting that thing out. I know another woman who had chest pain and did not go to the ER because she was scared of covid, it turned out to be a heart attack and she subsequently died not having gotten early treatment.
We (those of us with intelligence) KNEW all these consequences would happen with lockdowns, you cannot convince me Fauci etc. didn’t but didn’t care. This will go down in history as perhaps the most mismanaged social reaction to a pandemic in recorded history.
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Like AIDS, the chinese virus has been totally politicized and used to drive wedges between Alericans while enlarging the overreach of fucking liberals.
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Like AIDS, the chinese virus has been totally politicized and used to drive wedges between Alericans while enlarging the overreach of fucking liberals.
It has been totally politicized, it's a tragedy.
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I completely agree with you. Although it IS an experimental, unapproved vaccine and the long-term effects are not known, there is some pretty good evidence that it does work against the virus and its mutations.
I'm not certain what long-term effects you're worried about. The mRNA that serves as the modus operandi of the vaccines doesn't stick around more than a march of days. Moreover, it doesn't circulate that widely in the body. What is it about the vaccine that you think is going to cause long term effects? And why is it that out of the hundreds of millions of folks who have been vaccinated none are showing your long term effects? Indeed what would convince you of the safety of the vaccines? If Trump says so?
There may be some mutations that it does not handle, and its long-term protection value is yet to be determined.
Mutations to get beyond vaccine surveillance haven't occurred yet, though they are possible. It's long term protection appears similar to other vaccines, which comes as any surprise.
And I doubly agree with you that I'm just tired of the whole thing. I'm happy to be able to go out without a mask now and do fairly normal things. Looking forward to my BFR without a mask. Really looking forward to Oshkosh. If some there want to wear masks, fine. I wasn't offended when some of my Chinese students wore masks in my classroom way before this all started. I'm sure that some people will wear masks after its all over. Whatever... it's a personal choice.
I wasn't a big fan of all this either, but it beats getting a disease that can wipe me out and probably kill my spouse. Thankfully the vaccine makers did their thing, and we've competent leadership getting the vaccine to the population. I'm betting on another surge, but I think it will be far smaller than the ones previously. Remember, this wasn't about saving lives. It was about not overloading our medical infrastructure, which we nearly did.
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I'm not certain what long-term effects you're worried about. The mRNA that serves as the modus operandi of the vaccines doesn't stick around more than a march of days. Moreover, it doesn't circulate that widely in the body. What is it about the vaccine that you think is going to cause long term effects? And why is it that out of the hundreds of millions of folks who have been vaccinated none are showing your long term effects? Indeed what would convince you of the safety of the vaccines? If Trump says so?
Grow the fuck up.
Thousands of kids got polio from the polio vaccine.
The Swine Flu vaccine was linked Guillian-Barre Syndrome.
Sudden Infant Death syndrome has been linked to some vaccines.
The babies conceived after their mother’s took the Covid vaccine have yet to be born. Are you guaranteeing zero birth defects as a result of the vaccine?
Plenty of real doctors are sounding the caution alarm for children and women of childbearing years.
For you to ridicule people who have valid concerns about the long-term effects proves you’re just a poseur.
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https://streamable.com/pvfzbv
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Grow the fuck up.
Hmmm. I thought Steingar’s response was on point without being condescending. Only thing he was mistaken on was his implication that Trump was anti-vaccination. In fact Trump did urge people to get vaccinated and even got vaccinated himself despite already having had covid-19.
Thousands of kids got polio from the polio vaccine.
The Swine Flu vaccine was linked Guillian-Barre Syndrome.
Sudden Infant Death syndrome has been linked to some vaccines.
I believe all of the above claimed issues were reported within two to three months after vaccination. I don’t think they qualify as long term side effects if “long term” means years later.
The babies conceived after their mother’s took the Covid vaccine have yet to be born. Are you guaranteeing zero birth defects as a result of the vaccine?
Likely the first such babies will birth in the next few weeks since mRNA phase 3 testing completed on or before November. Any birth defects would seem mostly likely to arise from errant operation of the mother or baby’s immune system. Since such errant operation would likely be an innate problem it would also arise from the disease itself. That yields the reflected rhetorical question you’d be asked to answer “Are you guaranteeing zero birth defects (or even survival) as a result of the mother getting the disease because she was not vaccinated?”
Plenty of real doctors are sounding the caution alarm for children and women of childbearing years.
No doubt. I know doctors that routinely write prescriptions for dangerous pharmaceuticals on one hand and then offer caution on a host of the other treatments and life style choices of lower hazard. Also keep in mind a doctor making a recommendation to a public audience is going to provide a different recommendation to a patient in a private setting.
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Also keep in mind a doctor making a recommendation to a public audience is going to provide a different recommendation to a patient in a private setting.
On advice of counsel no doubt.
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Hmmm. I thought Steingar’s response was on point without being condescending. Only thing he was mistaken on was his implication that Trump was anti-vaccination. In fact Trump did urge people to get vaccinated and even got vaccinated himself despite already having had covid-19.
I believe all of the above claimed issues were reported within two to three months after vaccination. I don’t think they qualify as long term side effects if “long term” means years later.
Likely the first such babies will birth in the next few weeks since mRNA phase 3 testing completed on or before November. Any birth defects would seem mostly likely to arise from errant operation of the mother or baby’s immune system. Since such errant operation would likely be an innate problem it would also arise from the disease itself. That yields the reflected rhetorical question you’d be asked to answer “Are you guaranteeing zero birth defects (or even survival) as a result of the mother getting the disease because she was not vaccinated?”
No doubt. I know doctors that routinely write prescriptions for dangerous pharmaceuticals on one hand and then offer caution on a host of the other treatments and life style choices of lower hazard. Also keep in mind a doctor making a recommendation to a public audience is going to provide a different recommendation to a patient in a private setting.
Come on Jim. He was condescending as fuck. You haven’t heard that the running narrative is that the anti-Covid vaxxers are troglodyte conservative Trump voters who watch Deadliest Catch, listen to country music, and attend NASCAR races? Jen Psaki said precisely that from the White House press room.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/04/jen_psaki_has_conservatives_pinned_down_nascar_fans.html
The cognitive dissonance is stunning for people with TDS, given that Trump almost single handedly brought these vaccines forward with Operation Warp Speed. Now they think Trump is secretly telling us not to get the vaccine?
As for my substantive question about long-term affects, basically you have no idea either. That’s fine. I’m not saying you should. But since the widespread vaccinations in the US didn’t start until mid-December, and presumably not every woman who got vaccinated immediately got pregnant, the fist children from widespread vaccinated women should start being born in mid-September forward.
Fauci himself said in testimony that only “...more than half, probably about 60%” of National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and FDA employees have been vaccinated.
Many people are taking a wait and see approach. Kind of like NIH employees. Steingar clearly is denigrating those people. At least the ones who voted for Trump.
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Many people are taking a wait and see approach.
As am I. I am not an anti-vaxer -- I've gotten a bunch of them, but trials take a long time and the people pushing this one have been lying to us from the beginning.
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As am I. I am not an anti-vaxer -- I've gotten a bunch of them, but trials take a long time and the people pushing this one have been lying to us from the beginning.
BINGO. I’m not an anti-vaxer either by any means.
If this was strictly a medical decision between my doctor and me, I would give it more weight. But because politics has invaded this space so perversely with Covid, it is REALLY hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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BINGO. I’m not an anti-vaxer either by any means.
If this was strictly a medical decision between my doctor and me, I would give it more weight. But because politics has invaded this space so perversely with Covid, it is REALLY hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.
It goes without saying that anything the liberals want this badly is really bad for us.
It has always that way and it is that way now.
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As am I. I am not an anti-vaxer -- I've gotten a bunch of them, but trials take a long time and the people pushing this one have been lying to us from the beginning.
This was one of the reasons I held off as long as I did.
BINGO. I’m not an anti-vaxer either by any means.
If this was strictly a medical decision between my doctor and me, I would give it more weight. But because politics has invaded this space so perversely with Covid, it is REALLY hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Very difficult indeed. I did not appreciate being lied to and so wouldn’t take the vaccine because liars were telling me to. On the other hand I’m not going to let that stop me either if I am able to conclude that the risk-benefit analysis actually says I should, plus, all that effort TRUMP made to get it out to us means something to me. It would be like turning down a favor Trump did for me.
It really is Trump’s vaccine, we wouldn’t have it right now if not for him. Funny how the left loves it.
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Thousands of kids got polio from the polio vaccine.
Sadly, yes. the Sabin vaccine is actually a mutated virus that doesn't make a successful infection. But a mutant virus can have reversion mutations, where it mutates back to wild type, which is what the polio did. Sabin's vaccine was developed to inoculate children in nations with poor medical infrastructure. it doesn't need to be injected. The current vaccines are either mRNAs or gene therapy vectors, and can't revert to a disease causing state.
The Swine Flu vaccine was linked Guillian-Barre Syndrome.
An increased risk of .001%. Flu kills .1% of its victims. Covid kills 1%, and maims lots more.
Sudden Infant Death syndrome has been linked to some vaccines.
From the CDC:
Vaccines have not been shown to cause sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).
The babies conceived after their mother’s took the Covid vaccine have yet to be born. Are you guaranteeing zero birth defects as a result of the vaccine?
I am guaranteeing that the fetus is far more likely to be affected by an active COVID infection than a vaccine.
Plenty of real doctors are sounding the caution alarm for children and women of childbearing years.
The pull of a Physician advising the public is a tricky thing. My guess is they're really not thinking at all. The sort of severe illness caused by Covid is really really bad for unborn children. There isn't a mechanism by which an mRNA vaccine (or one from a gene therapy vector) could cause disease in a. fetus, and it is never happened that we know of.
For you to ridicule people who have valid concerns about the long-term effects proves you’re just a poseur.
Were there valid concerns I'd be a poser. Since there are not I am trying to be a public servant. Get the vaccine. There is no reason not to, and you can help stop the spread of a deadly disease.
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Sadly, yes. the Sabin vaccine is actually a mutated virus that doesn't make a successful infection. But a mutant virus can have reversion mutations, where it mutates back to wild type, which is what the polio did. Sabin's vaccine was developed to inoculate children in nations with poor medical infrastructure. it doesn't need to be injected. The current vaccines are either mRNAs or gene therapy vectors, and can't revert to a disease causing state.l
An increased risk of .001%. Flu kills .1% of its victims. Covid kills 1%, and maims lots more.
From the CDC:
I am guaranteeing that the fetus is far more likely to be affected by an active COVID infection than a vaccine.
The pull of a Physician advising the public is a tricky thing. My guess is they're really not thinking at all. The sort of severe illness caused by Covid is really really bad for unborn children. There isn't a mechanism by which an mRNA vaccine (or one from a gene therapy vector) could cause disease in a. fetus, and it is never happened that we know of.
Were there valid concerns I'd be a poser. Since there are not I am trying to be a public servant. Get the vaccine. There is no reason not to, and you can help stop the spread of a deadly disease.
My only beef with this post is the CDC saying vaccines have not been shown to cause SIDS. Note the careful wording. They have also not been shown not to cause SIDS. We don’t know what causes SIDS.
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My only beef with this post is the CDC saying vaccines have not been shown to cause SIDS. Note the careful wording. They have also not been shown not to cause SIDS. We don’t know what causes SIDS.
Also that he claims there are no long-term effects. We’re becoming aware that the virus likely was manmade. It’s novel, and we’re in uncharted territory with specific characteristics of both virus and vaccine. There’s a reason vaccines usually take years to approve, and even then there are surprises.
Look up Gardasil and POTS syndrome. A young friend of mine tragically is suffering from that now.
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Also that he claims there are no long-term effects. We’re becoming aware that the virus likely was manmade. It’s novel, and we’re in uncharted territory with specific characteristics of both virus and vaccine. There’s a reason vaccines usually take years to approve, and even then there are surprises.
Look up Gardasil and POTS syndrome. A young friend of mine tragically is suffering from that now.
His hero and leader Pope Tony has been discovered (through Pope Tony's own words) to be a fraud and a liar. Pope Tony and several others, including his pals in the CCP stand to make billions off of these vaccines, and more importantly place China in the position of the world's super power.
We had cheap and effective medicine against this bioweapon early on, but Pope Tony and the Branch Covidians fought against it and discredited it so the vaccines would have to be used.
The manufacturers of these vaccines are living the dream. Billions of taxpayer dollars poured into their companies, and guarantees by the government that they cannot be held responsible for anything that happens (side effects) due to these vaccines. A real win/win for scumbags like Pope Tony and the Pharmaceuticals.
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https://thenationalpulse.com/breaking/18-years-ago-cspan-caller-told-fauci-to-resign/
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Sadly, yes. the Sabin vaccine is actually a mutated virus that doesn't make a successful infection. But a mutant virus can have reversion mutations, where it mutates back to wild type, which is what the polio did. Sabin's vaccine was developed to inoculate children in nations with poor medical infrastructure. it doesn't need to be injected. The current vaccines are either mRNAs or gene therapy vectors, and can't revert to a disease causing state.
An increased risk of .001%. Flu kills .1% of its victims. Covid kills 1%, and maims lots more.
From the CDC:
I am guaranteeing that the fetus is far more likely to be affected by an active COVID infection than a vaccine.
The pull of a Physician advising the public is a tricky thing. My guess is they're really not thinking at all. The sort of severe illness caused by Covid is really really bad for unborn children. There isn't a mechanism by which an mRNA vaccine (or one from a gene therapy vector) could cause disease in a. fetus, and it is never happened that we know of.
Were there valid concerns I'd be a poser. Since there are not I am trying to be a public servant. Get the vaccine. There is no reason not to, and you can help stop the spread of a deadly disease.
Being “affected” by the virus and being born with a severe birth defect are NOT the same. In fact in your response you never used the words “birth defects.” Why?
And I thought only MDs had a God complex.
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Marquette University is requiring the Covid vaccine to attend school in the fall.
https://madison.com/news/local/education/university/marquette-university-requiring-covid-19-vaccine-while-uw-madison-weighs-mandate-for-dorms/article_d0103035-42df-58f4-a319-30ac37805d12.amp.html
Can you imagine being concerned about birth defects and being a junior or senior in college? You are being told you must subject yourself to a potentially life-altering vaccine or not graduating from that university.
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I would find another school. There are plenty that are resisting.
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Also that he claims there are no long-term effects. We’re becoming aware that the virus likely was manmade. It’s novel, and we’re in uncharted territory with specific characteristics of both virus and vaccine. There’s a reason vaccines usually take years to approve, and even then there are surprises.
Look up Gardasil and POTS syndrome. A young friend of mine tragically is suffering from that now.
Swing and miss. I've seen the sequence of the virus. If you like I can post it here, though I doubt any of you have the wherewithal to be able to decipher anything about it. Not meant as a slander, few have the technical ability to annotate gene sequences. I do.
I can envision three ways to "make" a virus. One is to recombine parts of different viruses. Influenza viruses do this on a yearly basis. Covid doesn't look like that at all, it is closely related to other Coronaviruses. Another is to make a virus de novo, which is not what Covid is. A third is to mutate a naturally occurring virus, and that doesn't appear to be the case for Covid. Its relationship to other viruses appears evolutionary in nature. If someone did make it they have mad skillz, far greater than any seen in any lab anywhere. I don't give the Chinese that much credit, sorry.
A possible lab-borne scenario is that poor lab technique resulted in contamination of lab personnel, who then spread it. That is, they were studying bats and their viruses (since that's where SARS came from) and because they failed to practice aseptic technique a virus under study infected a person in the lab. This I wouldn't put past the Chinese. I've heard bad things about their lab practices, though I truly have no experience whatsoever to back it up. The Chinese scientists I've worked with have been meticulous.
Still, it is possible that the virus escaped containment in a lab facility. This is impossible to rule out, since the Chinese government is paranoid, secretive and deathly allergic to bad press. Our intelligence services are reporting that members of that lab visited local hospitals with respiratory illness, but that could have been flu going around. We just don't know, and I doubt we ever will. A bit of a pity, really. If a virus accidentally got out, well at least we know. Might give the labs impetus to tighten up their procedures. I myself wouldn't think that ill of a lab that accidentally released a virus, we're all of us human. But the Chinese government going mum certainly makes the whole thing suspicious.
I still vote for natural release. Occam's razor and all. Humans are more and more bumping up against the animal world, we're going to get their viruses. This isn't the first instance and it won't be the last. I remember walking into a Chinese grocery and seeing the butcher shop. It looked like a pet store. You eat like that you'll pick up viruses. AIDS, SARS, and MERS are all animal viruses. Heck, most of the viruses that date back to antiquity started out in animals. We humans just haven't been around long enough to evolve our own.
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184
The possibility that the pandemic began with an escape from the Wuhan Institute of Virology is attracting fresh attention. President Biden has asked the national intelligence community to redouble efforts to investigate.
Much of the public discussion has focused on circumstantial evidence: mysterious illnesses in late 2019; the lab’s work intentionally supercharging viruses to increase lethality (known as “gain of function” research). The Chinese Communist Party has been reluctant to release relevant information. Reports based on U.S. intelligence have suggested the lab collaborated on projects with the Chinese military.
But the most compelling reason to favor the lab leak hypothesis is firmly based in science. In particular, consider the genetic fingerprint of CoV-2, the novel coronavirus responsible for the disease Covid-19.
In gain-of-function research, a microbiologist can increase the lethality of a coronavirus enormously by splicing a special sequence into its genome at a prime location. Doing this leaves no trace of manipulation. But it alters the virus spike protein, rendering it easier for the virus to inject genetic material into the victim cell. Since 1992 there have been at least 11 separate experiments adding a special sequence to the same location. The end result has always been supercharged viruses.
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https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/experts-assert-rare-genome-sequencing-shows-coronavirus-bioengineered-optimized-for-human-infectivity/
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Swing and miss. I've seen the sequence of the virus. If you like I can post it here, though I doubt any of you have the wherewithal to be able to decipher anything about it. Not meant as a slander, few have the technical ability to annotate gene sequences. I do.
I can envision three ways to "make" a virus. One is to recombine parts of different viruses. Influenza viruses do this on a yearly basis. Covid doesn't look like that at all, it is closely related to other Coronaviruses. Another is to make a virus de novo, which is not what Covid is. A third is to mutate a naturally occurring virus, and that doesn't appear to be the case for Covid. Its relationship to other viruses appears evolutionary in nature. If someone did make it they have mad skillz, far greater than any seen in any lab anywhere. I don't give the Chinese that much credit, sorry.
No, I don’t for a second believe the Chinese created the virus from whole cloth. But what do you think about the gain of function allegations?
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@steingar The following is from Lucifer's link here: https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/experts-assert-rare-genome-sequencing-shows-coronavirus-bioengineered-optimized-for-human-infectivity/
Is this accurate?
In the case of the gain-of-function supercharge, other sequences could have been spliced into this same site. Instead of a CGG-CGG (known as “double CGG”) that tells the protein factory to make two arginine amino acids in a row, you’ll obtain equal lethality by splicing any one of 35 of the other two-word combinations for double arginine. If the insertion takes place naturally, say through recombination, then one of those 35 other sequences is far more likely to appear; CGG is rarely used in the class of coronaviruses that can recombine with CoV-2.
In fact, in the entire class of coronaviruses that includes CoV-2, the CGG-CGG combination has never been found naturally. That means the common method of viruses picking up new skills, called recombination, cannot operate here. A virus simply cannot pick up a sequence from another virus if that sequence isn’t present in any other virus.
Quay and Muller point to the “double CGG” sequence as the “damning fact” suggesting a laboratory origin. Natural-origin believers would have to explain it away:
Proponents of zoonotic origin must explain why the novel coronavirus, when it mutated or recombined, happened to pick its least favorite combination, the double CGG,” they wrote. “Why did it replicate the choice the lab’s gain-of-function researchers would have made?
“At the minimum, this fact — that the coronavirus, with all its random possibilities, took the rare and unnatural combination used by human researchers — implies that the leading theory for the origin of the coronavirus must be laboratory escape.”
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So say this whole Covid thing was a trial run. See how well it works in the wild, make it somewhat damaging, but something the healthy easily survive.
Next time around?
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So say this whole Covid thing was a trial run. See how well it works in the wild, make it somewhat damaging, but something the healthy easily survive.
Next time around?
hmmmm, sounds somewhat like one of the plagues in John Ringo's Troy Rising series.
summary of the plague: an alien race, intending to conquer and enslave earth, seeded the earth with a extremely contagious disease. If the victim was intelligent enough to treat the infection (an easily treated rash), then they survived. If the victim was a blithering idiot and didn't clean and treat the rash, then is was 100% fatal. The purpose of the plague was to weed out the idiots (in the book, unfortunately some of the politicians survived).
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hmmmm, sounds somewhat like one of the plagues in John Ringo's Troy Rising series.
summary of the plague: an alien race, intending to conquer and enslave earth, seeded the earth with a extremely contagious disease. If the victim was intelligent enough to treat the infection (an easily treated rash), then they survived. If the victim was a blithering idiot and didn't clean and treat the rash, then is was 100% fatal. The purpose of the plague was to weed out the idiots (in the book, unfortunately some of the politicians survived).
I may be wrong (and open to correction), but it sure seems the obese and/or out of shape have taken the brunt of the Covid deaths. If this was engineered, and it certainly looks that way, was that the target demographic? Or just a byproduct of stress on the body due to disease, and the healthy can endure more stress?
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/obesity-is-key-driver-of-a-nations-covid-death-toll-global-study-finds/
Can cite more articles...
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Bio-warfare is a nasty business. Gain of Function research is the basis for developing bio-warfare.
When the people of this country, and other countries finally accept the fact that we had the most massive attack of bio-warfare in history, and the culprit was the CCP, who was aided and financed by Pope Tony, only then can we begin to put a stop to this before the next attack is deadlier.
Pope Tony needs to be in Gitmo awaiting a tribunal, along with many members of the WHO. The CCP needs major sanctions from the major and minor countries of the world, and surveillance stepped up to insure they can never again do something like this.
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My only beef with this post is the CDC saying vaccines have not been shown to cause SIDS. Note the careful wording. They have also not been shown not to cause SIDS. We don’t know what causes SIDS.
You wording is careful. Since we don't know what causes SIDS it could be vaccines. It could be Donald Duck, too.
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No, I don’t for a second believe the Chinese created the virus from whole cloth. But what do you think about the gain of function allegations?
I honestly don't think the Chinese are up for it. More importantly, what functions do you gain? Maybe you can make it more infective in tissue culture cells, but that doesn't in and of itself translate to more infective in the field. And if you trying test a virus like that in the field it is very likely to get away from you.
Moreover, most of the "gain of function" blather is based on stuff we know a year and a half later. That stuff wasn't known a year ago. Yeah, you can randomly change up amino acids at the active site to try and make something better, but you need to know where the active site is to begin with. You can PCR evolve the protein, but you have to know what it does in what context. It just isn't that easy.
The problem with all this is I can't deny any of this. It all took place in China and that place might as well be a black box. All I can say is if they really engineered COVID they've already won. They can just keep on spinning off lethal viruses until the cows come home, and they win the whole game. They'll kill everyone and take over the world. You think this is bad, try a hemorrhagic virus. Or something that affects the immune system. If you really believe they engineered COVID you should be very, very afraid, because if they're that good they'll do it again. Remember, we can't do this.
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I honestly don't think the Chinese are up for it.
Bullshit. The CCP was getting help, and funding, via the US through Tony Fauci and his network which was trying to conceal where the money was actually going. Several members of congress accessed the documents and put them in front of Fauci, who then tried to continue the lie while testifying under oath.
More importantly, what functions do you gain? Maybe you can make it more infective in tissue culture cells, but that doesn't in and of itself translate to more infective in the field. And if you trying test a virus like that in the field it is very likely to get away from you.
Gain of function is the basis of bio-warfare. This is why the CCP has such an interest in this. This is also why Fauci bemoaned the fact the US stopped GoF research and he started collaborating with the CCP to keep it going.
Even your esteemed Fauci stated that GoF was necessary, and if it created a pandemic "it would be worth it".
Moreover, most of the "gain of function" blather is based on stuff we know a year and a half later.
The intelligence departments knew of this back in 2019, and many doctors came forward at the beginning of the scamdemic and brought it up, only to be rediculed by the DCP and the MSM as being conspiracy theorist.
That stuff wasn't known a year ago.
Again, BULLSHIT. Your beloved Ministry of Propaganda, the MSM in collaboration with the DCP suppressed it.
The problem with all this is I can't deny any of this. It all took place in China and that place might as well be a black box. All I can say is if they really engineered COVID they've already won. They can just keep on spinning off lethal viruses until the cows come home, and they win the whole game. They'll kill everyone and take over the world. You think this is bad, try a hemorrhagic virus. Or something that affects the immune system. If you really believe they engineered COVID you should be very, very afraid, because if they're that good they'll do it again. Remember, we can't do this.
Remember, people in our country are complicit in helping them achieve this, starting with our very own Mengele, Anthony Fauci.
Pandora's box has been opened, and the effects were beyond the CCP and the DCP's wildest dreams. If the US and it's allies don't get ahead of this quickly it's only a matter of when, not if.
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https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1402625575974436875
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Bullshit. The CCP was getting help, and funding, via the US through Tony Fauci and his network which was trying to conceal where the money was actually going. Several members of congress accessed the documents and put them in front of Fauci, who then tried to continue the lie while testifying under oath.
Patent nonsense. The Scientists who were there published their findings in peer reviewed journals for all to see. Their funding mechanisms are similarly publicly available.
Gain of function is the basis of bio-warfare. This is why the CCP has such an interest in this. This is also why Fauci bemoaned the fact the US stopped GoF research and he started collaborating with the CCP to keep it going.
Perhaps you should explain what it is that you think "gain of function" research actually is. Should be entertaining.
Even your esteemed Fauci stated that GoF was necessary, and if it created a pandemic "it would be worth it".
Context on this might be nice.
The intelligence departments knew of this back in 2019, and many doctors came forward at the beginning of the scamdemic and brought it up, only to be rediculed by the DCP and the MSM as being conspiracy theorist.
If our intelligence agencies really knew that the Chinese could create a pandemicable virus from whole cloth I suspect you'd not know a thing about it. I imagine intelligence like that gets classified to the deepest levels.
Pandora's box has been opened, and the effects were beyond the CCP and the DCP's wildest dreams. If the US and it's allies don't get ahead of this quickly it's only a matter of when, not if.
The only way to "get ahead" of stuff like this is to make better pathogens. Stephen King wrote a book about exactly that. Its called The Stand. Bioweapons of this sort of rathe like nucs, except they don't trash the landscape. The best we've been able to do in this department is weaponize existing pathogens. What you're talking about is a whole different world. Like I said, if the Chinese can really do this its game over. We've already lost.
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The problem with all this is I can't deny any of this. It all took place in China and that place might as well be a black box. All I can say is if they really engineered COVID they've already won. They can just keep on spinning off lethal viruses until the cows come home, and they win the whole game. They'll kill everyone and take over the world. You think this is bad, try a hemorrhagic virus. Or something that affects the immune system. If you really believe they engineered COVID you should be very, very afraid, because if they're that good they'll do it again. Remember, we can't do this.
Pandora's box has been opened, and the effects were beyond the CCP and the DCP's wildest dreams. If the US and it's allies don't get ahead of this quickly it's only a matter of when, not if.
You two are basically agreeing with each other. Only difference is one of you thinks it’s already been done and the other says we don’t know because China is secretive, it’s unlikely but if they did it’s very bad.
So you both agree it is (or would be) very bad. This might be the first time I’ve seen an aligned thought between you two although it’s a tiny dot amongst acres of disagreement.
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Patent nonsense. The Scientists who were there published their findings in peer reviewed journals for all to see. Their funding mechanisms are similarly publicly available.
Perhaps you should explain what it is that you think "gain of function" research actually is. Should be entertaining.
Context on this might be nice.
If our intelligence agencies really knew that the Chinese could create a pandemicable virus from whole cloth I suspect you'd not know a thing about it. I imagine intelligence like that gets classified to the deepest levels.
Your ignorance is absolutely astounding. Or is it ignorance, or are you so imbedded in an ideology that you will go to a grave defending it even knowing how wrong it is?
Communist regimes have mass graves full of "useful idiots" who went all out to defend and promote the regime's ideology. You clearly fall into that category.
Back last year you poo-poo'd the thought of bio-warfare and then proceeded to demonstrate zero working knowledge on the subject.
And now, with all of the truth beginning to surface about Fauci, his connections with the CCP, the intelligence findings, government documents, etc that show what was going on, you still want to defend the those and try to keep the disinformation going.
You have never worked in the field you teach. You live in the academia bubble oblivious to what is actually going on in the world, and what is actually happening in the field you supposedly teach.
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You two are basically agreeing with each other. Only difference is one of you thinks it’s already been done and the other says we don’t know because China is secretive, it’s unlikely but if they did it’s very bad.
So you both agree it is (or would be) very bad. This might be the first time I’ve seen an aligned thought between you two although it’s a tiny dot amongst acres of disagreement.
The perfesser is dancing around and parsing words in order to deflect on what many knew 15 months or more ago. That idiot was on this forum at that time holding the DCP line about "bat soup" and "bush meat" which were total MSM lies.
Now we watch him as he downplays China, a fuckin' communist regime, who, BTW, was funded by our own Mengele, Anthony Fauci.
And he wants everyone to disregard all the facts and documents that are out there and keep buying the BIG FUCKING LIE.
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@steingar The following is from Lucifer's link here: https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/06/experts-assert-rare-genome-sequencing-shows-coronavirus-bioengineered-optimized-for-human-infectivity/
Is this accurate?
In the case of the gain-of-function supercharge, other sequences could have been spliced into this same site. Instead of a CGG-CGG (known as “double CGG”) that tells the protein factory to make two arginine amino acids in a row, you’ll obtain equal lethality by splicing any one of 35 of the other two-word combinations for double arginine. If the insertion takes place naturally, say through recombination, then one of those 35 other sequences is far more likely to appear; CGG is rarely used in the class of coronaviruses that can recombine with CoV-2.
In fact, in the entire class of coronaviruses that includes CoV-2, the CGG-CGG combination has never been found naturally. That means the common method of viruses picking up new skills, called recombination, cannot operate here. A virus simply cannot pick up a sequence from another virus if that sequence isn’t present in any other virus.
Quay and Muller point to the “double CGG” sequence as the “damning fact” suggesting a laboratory origin. Natural-origin believers would have to explain it away:
Proponents of zoonotic origin must explain why the novel coronavirus, when it mutated or recombined, happened to pick its least favorite combination, the double CGG,” they wrote. “Why did it replicate the choice the lab’s gain-of-function researchers would have made?
“At the minimum, this fact — that the coronavirus, with all its random possibilities, took the rare and unnatural combination used by human researchers — implies that the leading theory for the origin of the coronavirus must be laboratory escape.”
He won't answer this honestly. He can't. It's way to far above his level of knowledge on the subject, and it goes against his ideology.
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He won't answer this honestly. He can't. It's way to far above his level of knowledge on the subject, and it goes against his ideology.
Did already. Yeah, you can parse out codons in this one stretch that Western scientists deduced this year. A year and a half ago no one knew about it. Moreover, even if you do, making an entire virus is a much bigger deal. Obviously you think yourself an expert in molecular bioscience. Hint, you aren't. I read that piece and found it utterly laughable.
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Did already. Yeah, you can parse out codons in this one stretch that Western scientists deduced this year. A year and a half ago no one knew about it. Moreover, even if you do, making an entire virus is a much bigger deal. Obviously you think yourself an expert in molecular bioscience. Hint, you aren't. I read that piece and found it utterly laughable.
I find anything you write on the subject as laughable. You're an academic with zero working knowledge, and it shows.
No wonder you blow up at your students when they ask tough questions you can't answer, or question you about the material you are feebly attempting to teach.
Fraud.
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Those who can - do.
Those who can’t - teach.
Those who can’t teach lie like the assholes they are...
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I find anything you write on the subject as laughable. You're an academic with zero working knowledge, and it shows.
Worked in a. virology lab for a couple months, taught a course on the subject. Your credentials?
No wonder you blow up at your students when they ask tough questions you can't answer, or question you about the material you are feebly attempting to teach.
I often award points when my students stump me. I usually try and find them an answer too. You won't find that on rate my professor, its mostly a bitch fest.
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Did already. Yeah, you can parse out codons in this one stretch that Western scientists deduced this year. A year and a half ago no one knew about it. Moreover, even if you do, making an entire virus is a much bigger deal. Obviously you think yourself an expert in molecular bioscience. Hint, you aren't. I read that piece and found it utterly laughable.
I know you can’t make an entire virus but if you can parse a bit of it, that article is saying the bit that got added isn’t a bit that would have occurred by spontaneous mutation, am I reading it right? They are saying that’s circumstantial evidence that the virus had been messed with in the lab. That it wouldn’t have had that double CGG in nature. Is that part plausible? What about the article do you find laughable? Are they wrong with what they’re saying?
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Worked in a. virology lab for a couple months, taught a course on the subject. Your credentials?
You wouldn't even qualify as a janitor in a real work environment.
I often award points when my students stump me. I usually try and find them an answer too. You won't find that on rate my professor, its mostly a bitch fest.
Yep, your "point" system is known. Kiss your ass and you award points. Ask you a tough question and you explode.
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I know you can’t make an entire virus but if you can parse a bit of it, that article is saying the bit that got added isn’t a bit that would have occurred by spontaneous mutation, am I reading it right? They are saying that’s circumstantial evidence that the virus had been messed with in the lab. That it wouldn’t have had that double CGG in nature. Is that part plausible? What about the article do you find laughable? Are they wrong with what they’re saying?
All organisms have a codon bias. There are multiple codons that can encode most amino acids. Some organisms use one set, others different sets. It can play hob with making foreign proteins. For example, to use bacterial proteins like E. coli Neomycin phosphotransferase or the Cre Recombinase from Phage P1 in mammalian cells or mice, many of their codons have to be altered by site direct mutagenesis to increase translation rate and fidelity.
What they're claiming is that the viral codon bias is different than what's seen in that dipeptide. I find the assertion nearly laughable. First, its just that, a bias, not a stricture. We use all the codons in our proteome, there are biases for many though. Second, a virus that undergoes a natural site specific mutation as advantageous as that of the spike protein binding Ace2 can do so with a non favored codon. Whatever translational inefficiency encountered is dwarfed by the selective advantage of being able to colonize the human ecosystem.
I can't rule out an artificial origin for the Coronavirus, you just can't prove a negative. But there is no smoking gun in its sequence and there never has been.
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You wouldn't even qualify as a janitor in a real work environment.
Quite possibly. My cleaning skills are pathetic. Then again, I doubt your average janitor can do many of the things I can do.
Yep, your "point" system is known. Kiss your ass and you award points. Ask you a tough question and you explode.
I'd be very interested in the "explode" comment. Context is everything.
I asked your credentials for evaluating viral sequences, something you appear to think you are able to do. I gave you mine.
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Quite possibly. My cleaning skills are pathetic. Then again, I doubt your average janitor can do many of the things I can do.
I'd trust analysis from the janitor before listening to you.
I'd be very interested in the "explode" comment. Context is everything.
I asked your credentials for evaluating viral sequences, something you appear to think you are able to do. I gave you mine.
I've read your bloviated "credential" page Associate Professor. All hat and no cattle as the saying goes.
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Methinks the personal attacks on Steingar are too, well, personal.
Talking about reviews by students is absurd. Most people leaving negative reviews are pathetic people in their own lives.
Look at Amazon reviews for instance:
#1 This is the best product I have ever used.
#2 This product sucks and is the worst thing I have ever used.
Reviews suck. And pointing them out here about a fellow poster sucks even more.
(I can say that about Lucifer after some of the things he said about me in PMs).
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Methinks the personal attacks on Steingar are too, well, personal.
Talking about reviews by students is absurd. Most people leaving negative reviews are pathetic people in their own lives.
Look at Amazon reviews for instance:
#1 This is the best product I have ever used.
#2 This product sucks and is the worst thing I have ever used.
Reviews suck. And pointing them out here about a fellow poster sucks even more.
(I can say that about Lucifer after some of the things he said about me in PMs).
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All organisms have a codon bias. There are multiple codons that can encode most amino acids. Some organisms use one set, others different sets. It can play hob with making foreign proteins. For example, to use bacterial proteins like E. coli Neomycin phosphotransferase or the Cre Recombinase from Phage P1 in mammalian cells or mice, many of their codons have to be altered by site direct mutagenesis to increase translation rate and fidelity.
What they're claiming is that the viral codon bias is different than what's seen in that dipeptide. I find the assertion nearly laughable. First, its just that, a bias, not a stricture. We use all the codons in our proteome, there are biases for many though. Second, a virus that undergoes a natural site specific mutation as advantageous as that of the spike protein binding Ace2 can do so with a non favored codon. Whatever translational inefficiency encountered is dwarfed by the selective advantage of being able to colonize the human ecosystem.
I can't rule out an artificial origin for the Coronavirus, you just can't prove a negative. But there is no smoking gun in its sequence and there never has been.
Yes the bold part is what I was thinking. If I understand the article there are 35 possible sequences for double arguinine and one of the other 35 is more likely if it took place naturally, but it picked the one that hasn’t occurred in nature yet.
The term “likely” is what makes me think their argument is based on statistical likelihood rather than proof. If it is a smoking gun, then it is not a video of the killer doing the deed and hence not proof.
By way of analogy, the statistical likelihood of Biden winning when almost all bellwether counties went to Trump, Ohio and Florida went to Trump, etc. etc. is extremely remote yet there isn’t incontrovertible proof that hasn’t been erased from servers or not suppressed so officially anyway, we have a smoking gun but not proof.
It seems this might be the same sort of thing. I want to get at the truth by learning about the facts without bias on either side and of course that’s a very difficult thing to find. It seems there are virology experts that disagree and it is very politicized.
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I'm reminded of disinformation techniques and mind games used over the years.
In baseball, pitchers suspected (or known) for doctoring the ball (aka spitballs) often would go through all the gyrations of touching the ball cap or their neck or whatever just to mess with the batter's head. President Trump would mess with the media knowing full well (at least I suspect he knew) that they would go off their rockers.
What better way to hide a nefarious act than getting it politicized?
What better way to mess with people than having them suspect a natural mutation was actually developed (or refined) in a lab?
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What better way to mess with people than having them suspect a natural mutation was actually developed (or refined) in a lab?
Agree. At the same time I’m not going to disbelieve that it was tinkered with in the lab just because saying so would be a good way to mess with people.
The two sides tend to extremes in everything in our current highly polarized landscape. I try to find the truth in the middle which is rarely as extreme as one side or the other makes it out to be.
In this matter, one side claims there was zero tinkering, the virus was not manipulated at all. Its current forms arose entirely in nature regardless of whether it had a pit stop at the Wuhan lab. The other side claims that it was deliberately created with a malicious intent, maybe taking a natural virus and inserting snippets of genetic material to make it more transmissible, and maybe even more lethal as part of a bioweapon program.
Both extremes are possible. But my hypothesis is that the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Fact: Gain of function research exists. The technology to edit genes exists (CRISPR IIRC)
Fact: Fauci was involved in it, Wuhan was involved in it, Fauci was involved in Wuhan
So you cannot claim with a straight face that Wuhan wasn’t manipulating viruses. However that doesn’t prove they manipulated covid19 nor does it prove their motive.
Also fact: Just about anything can arise in nature. As far as science can determine, all living things on earth descend from the first combination of molecules that stumbled upon a way to replicate itself, and from there differentiated into all the earth’s living organisms. That article claimed the double CGG sequence couldn’t have arisen naturally because it hadn’t yet been seen in a natural virus (if I read it right), but I stopped right there and said, “I’m not sure that’s true.” However I don’t know much about virology.
Nevertheless I am not prepared to accept: Fact: the CGG - CGG could not have arisen in nature.
But it is very suspicious if that particular combination had been of interest to the researchers prior to the pandemic!
Putting all this together, at this point I feel it is very likely there were some GoF inserts into that virus, however, I can easily believe that the Chinese were merely following the same research pathways the US was, that is, when you improve the transmissibility of a contained virus you can more easily research ways to cure it and potentially develop prophylactic vaccines. But as Steingar says, the Wuhan lab probably sucked at safety protocols, that I’d bet money on. It very easy to believe it accidentally escaped.
In retrospect the US made a grave mistake banning GoF research which opened the door to (Fauci) moving it to China. We should have kept control of it. As Steingar points out, they are a black hole, we don’t know what they’re really up to, therefore, I can also easily believe they are trying to develop bioweapons. But I’m not prepared to say that’s what is true. It might be more likely it isn’t, but maybe not by much. I find it very difficult to believe that, even if they were attempting to develop bioweapons, they deliberately unleashed this thing. Yes it resulted in damaging the US economy and getting rid of Trump but you can’t convince me the Chinese foresaw all that. We did that to our selves! (Looking at all you Democrats.)
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Heh heh heh.
My butt doesn't hurt. I just don't think being an asshole helps to win an argument.
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Heh heh heh.
My butt doesn't hurt. I just don't think being an asshole helps to win an argument.
Ad hominem attacks always dilute the respect for the one doing the attacks. I like Lucifer's points in general, and enjoy his arguments, but dislike when he takes it personal and resorts to name calling. It's a huge turnoff.
And now that I said that, here it comes.
"Shut up you fucking libtard Biden ass kissing pussy", or something like that. none of which is true, but......INCOMING!
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Heh heh heh.
My butt doesn't hurt. I just don't think being an asshole helps to win an argument.
I don’t know if anybody’s trying to win an argument. I’m sure neither of them believes the other will ever change nor do they care.
I want to shrink myself down to a nanoparticle and go on a voyage into the RNA of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and see for myself what’s going on.
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I want to shrink myself down to a nanoparticle and go on a voyage into the RNA of the SARS-CoV-2 virus and see for myself what’s going on.
I'll just imagine you as Raquel Welch, that will make for a fantastic voyage!
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I'll just imagine you as Raquel Welch, that will make for a fantastic voyage!
Ha! Somebody told me I looked like Raquel Welch when I was young. If that was true I wish I still did, but what are you gonna do? Can’t stop time. Right now I just wish I had young joints.
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One thing to remember about bio-warfare.
The goal is not to always be lethal. Depending on the desired results, bio-warfare can be used as a terrorism tactic as well.
When one looks at what Covid19 did to the world, and more importantly did to the US, it exceeded it's originators wildest dreams, and in fact has now opened a pandora's box that we will experience for years to come.
The lab in Wuhan has been doing extensive GoF research on coronaviruses, operated by the military of the CCP, and unfortunately funded in large part by Fauci through different channels. Those are facts with evidence.
Another fact. When the "outbreak" occurred, China hid and lied as much as they could about it. The CCP locked down Wuhan to keep citizens from coming and going in China, but allowed people in Wuhan to travel internationally. Fact. Why?
Yep, a so called expert came on this forum and tried to tell everyone how the "Chinese aren't up to it" in manipulating viruses, totally dispelled anything about bio-warfare, tried to tell us how good the Chinese people were, parroted stories of wet markets and bat soup, and people eating "bush meat" as the reason for the outbreak.
People in this country need to wake up fast and face a stark reality. We've just witnessed, and lived through the largest bio attack the world has ever seen. Was it perfect? Nope, had many flaws. But even with the flaws it was successful beyond words as it drastically altered the world.
The other part that people need to wake up to is a communist government didn't accomplish this on their own, they had help. And that help came from the US. People in our own country conspired with the CCP. We now have a major political party which is now in lockstep with the CCP. We also have Big Tech which is helping and abiding the CCP. We have big corporations in conjunction with the CCP who are making massive profits off of the pandemic.
Call it conspiracy, talk it away with ideological driven "science" and even make excuses for the CCP. The facts are out there for anyone willing to look and not run to the MSM for their talking points.
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Yes the bold part is what I was thinking. If I understand the article there are 35 possible sequences for double arguinine and one of the other 35 is more likely if it took place naturally, but it picked the one that hasn’t occurred in nature yet.
Arginine is specified by the codons CG_ and AGR, so there are quite a few possibilities, though I think the number is 16, and not 36. I did put the "rare" sequence CGGCGG into Genbank, and came back with thousands upon thousands of sequences, so I suspect this sequence is found quite a bit in nature. I know its found in the Fragile X locus and is the basis for the disease causing repeat expansions there. The only selective pressure I could imagine is that CpG dinculeotides are rare in the human genome and mostly found near expressed genes, as the Cytosine in CpG dinucleotides is subject to methylation to carryout epigenetic gene regulatory activities. But rare doesn't equal absent. The restriction enzyme NotI has two CpG dinucleotides in its cleavage site and cuts the human genome twenty thousand times.
That sequence was scrutinized by the entire scientific community (me included) when it came out. A couple guys think its hinky and published in the WSJ, not in a peer-reviewed scientific journal where their reasoning could be scrutinized by other experts in the field. I'm not buying it at all.
Now, a whole cadre of scientists signed onto a letter claiming that the Wuhan link to the coronavirus hadn't been given sufficient consideration by the WHO in their report. I doubt strongly that anyone cooked up that virus. I know lots of Chinese scientists, they aren't anywhere near that good, no-one is. Crikey, I worked for one, he was one of the brightest guys I've ever met and he couldn't do it. But I wouldn't rule out a lab escape. I can't, the Chinese are too damn secretive.
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One thing to remember about bio-warfare.
The goal is not to always be lethal. Depending on the desired results, bio-warfare can be used as a terrorism tactic as well.
When one looks at what Covid19 did to the world, and more importantly did to the US, it exceeded it's originators wildest dreams, and in fact has now opened a pandora's box that we will experience for years to come.
The lab in Wuhan has been doing extensive GoF research on coronaviruses, operated by the military of the CCP, and unfortunately funded in large part by Fauci through different channels. Those are facts with evidence.
Another fact. When the "outbreak" occurred, China hid and lied as much as they could about it. The CCP locked down Wuhan to keep citizens from coming and going in China, but allowed people in Wuhan to travel internationally. Fact. Why?
Yep, a so called expert came on this forum and tried to tell everyone how the "Chinese aren't up to it" in manipulating viruses, totally dispelled anything about bio-warfare, tried to tell us how good the Chinese people were, parroted stories of wet markets and bat soup, and people eating "bush meat" as the reason for the outbreak.
People in this country need to wake up fast and face a stark reality. We've just witnessed, and lived through the largest bio attack the world has ever seen. Was it perfect? Nope, had many flaws. But even with the flaws it was successful beyond words as it drastically altered the world.
The other part that people need to wake up to is a communist government didn't accomplish this on their own, they had help. And that help came from the US. People in our own country conspired with the CCP. We now have a major political party which is now in lockstep with the CCP. We also have Big Tech which is helping and abiding the CCP. We have big corporations in conjunction with the CCP who are making massive profits off of the pandemic.
Call it conspiracy, talk it away with ideological driven "science" and even make excuses for the CCP. The facts are out there for anyone willing to look and not run to the MSM for their talking points.
You know exactly zero about bio warfare. Zero, and not on iota more.
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You know exactly zero about bio warfare. Zero, and not on iota more.
“If you want to make a Conservative angry, tell him a lie. If you want to make a Liberal angry, tell him the truth.”
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I doubt strongly that anyone cooked up that virus. I know lots of Chinese scientists, they aren't anywhere near that good, no-one is.
Do you mean whole cloth or just gene editing of a small portion? Referring to direct manipulation not gain of function by manipulating the environment so that the pathogen evolves. We do that all the time with animal breeds.
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Ad hominem attacks always dilute the respect for the one doing the attacks. I like Lucifer's points in general, and enjoy his arguments, but dislike when he takes it personal and resorts to name calling. It's a huge turnoff.
And now that I said that, here it comes.
"Shut up you fucking libtard Biden ass kissing pussy", or something like that. none of which is true, but......INCOMING!
To be fair, Steingar does his share of bomb throwing as well. He clearly enjoys trolling.
I think his “I’m the smartest man in the room” schtick has run it’s course.
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I'll just imagine you as Raquel Welch, that will make for a fantastic voyage!
I wish Tapatalk had a “like” function!
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You know exactly zero about bio warfare. Zero, and not on iota more.
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Do you mean whole cloth or just gene editing of a small portion? Referring to direct manipulation not gain of function by manipulating the environment so that the pathogen evolves. We do that all the time with animal breeds.
The physical manipulations of nucleic acid sequences are child's ply to any cogent scientist, American or Chinese. We can all do it. The problem is making all the parts function as a whole. We can physically copy the genome of a simple bacterium in vitro, and even reintroduce it to a similar bacterium, in essence reprogramming it. What we can't do is make a virus from whole cloth. No one is that smart, we're still working out how these things function.
If you're talking about evolving the virus in a lab, yes you could try and infect tissue culture human cells. That's about the only way I could see to do it. I don't know of any cell lines from the human respiratory tract, even if there are they're likely tumor cells, and potentially not that informative vis a vis viral infectivity. Working with primary cells is difficult at best. Sourcing them isn't easy, and growing them quite a bit less so. Moreover most primary cells can only be grown for a short time before undergoing senescence. Moreover, airway epithelium are different from buccal are different from pulmonary. Just doesn't sound terribly feasible to me.
Now Mother Nature has a great test bed for evolving viruses. She has lots of folks in close proximity to animals and their viruses. Any virus evolves enough to infect humans and it can be very successful, making lots and lots of progeny viruses. It has happened over and over again, from Measles and Mumps to AIDS, SARS, and MERS in the modern age. Plagues have overtaken humanity again and again throughout history. Thankfully we now have scientists who can make vaccines to head these things off. I doubt we'll have such things for long though. Sooner or later folks with the mindset of the people on this board will do away with all of it.
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Arginine is specified by the codons CG_ and AGR, so there are quite a few possibilities, though I think the number is 16, and not 36. I did put the "rare" sequence CGGCGG into Genbank, and came back with thousands upon thousands of sequences, so I suspect this sequence is found quite a bit in nature. I know its found in the Fragile X locus and is the basis for the disease causing repeat expansions there. The only selective pressure I could imagine is that CpG dinculeotides are rare in the human genome and mostly found near expressed genes, as the Cytosine in CpG dinucleotides is subject to methylation to carryout epigenetic gene regulatory activities. But rare doesn't equal absent. The restriction enzyme NotI has two CpG dinucleotides in its cleavage site and cuts the human genome twenty thousand times.
That sequence was scrutinized by the entire scientific community (me included) when it came out. A couple guys think its hinky and published in the WSJ, not in a peer-reviewed scientific journal where their reasoning could be scrutinized by other experts in the field. I'm not buying it at all.
Now, a whole cadre of scientists signed onto a letter claiming that the Wuhan link to the coronavirus hadn't been given sufficient consideration by the WHO in their report. I doubt strongly that anyone cooked up that virus. I know lots of Chinese scientists, they aren't anywhere near that good, no-one is. Crikey, I worked for one, he was one of the brightest guys I've ever met and he couldn't do it. But I wouldn't rule out a lab escape. I can't, the Chinese are too damn secretive.
As for the vaunted peer review process:
https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2020/11/28/i_published_a_fake_paper_in_a_peer-reviewed_journal_651221.html?_escaped_fragment_
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Plagues have overtaken humanity again and again throughout history. Thankfully we now have scientists who can make vaccines to head these things off. I doubt we'll have such things for long though. Sooner or later folks with the mindset of the people on this board will do away with all of it.
It’s a shame, isn’t it? Weaponizing and politicizing science and government, and using them against the people, as evidenced through clearly convoluted and inaccurate claims and information, arbitrarily changing “guidelines,” manipulation of death and case rates, suppression on social media of discussion about vaccines and what people are experiencing from them, official “dismissal” as “coincidence” of all claims of vaccine-related deaths or harsh suffering from side effects, and even suppression of and resistance to an open and through audit of our very votes.
Where once we trusted the government fairly implicitly on such things as votes and vaccines, the government richly and thoroughly and substantively now has earned our implicit distrust.
So you’re right. Next time, expect no trust in the systems and people that have so spectacularly shown that their interest is neither our safety nor our security.
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"Science" is now the State Religion.
Oppose it and you will be ostracized. Stake-burning later.
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"Science" is now the State Religion.
Oppose it and you will be ostracized. Stake-burning later.
The mixing of science and politics now has been so thorough that we can’t talk about either with our adored liberal daughter who just became an M.D. and is starting her residency. She stated she can’t talk about anything with us unless we talk about the vaccine. Which we can’t do now that it’s politicized, because she has declared politics off limits for the past several years.
So, silence. Score another one for the cabal.
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"Science" is now the State Religion.
Oppose it and you will be ostracized. Stake-burning later.
And the biggest science deniers are the ones who call themselves "scientist".
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"Science" is now the State Religion.
Oppose it and you will be ostracized. Stake-burning later.
Well except for the chromosome and gender thing. In that case the State Religion turns its back on science so people don’t get their feelings hurt.
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"Science" is now the State Religion.
Oppose it and you will be ostracized. Stake-burning later.
Only until "science" becomes inconvenient, like when everyone is vaccinated so why wear masks? Or there have been no super spreader events from Texas or Florida crowds so why keep this silly middle-of-the-pandemic crisis going? You must follow the "right" science and ignore the "wrong" science.
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Only until "science" becomes inconvenient, like when everyone is vaccinated so why wear masks? Or there have been no super spreader events from Texas or Florida crowds so why keep this silly middle-of-the-pandemic crisis going? You must follow the "right" science and ignore the "wrong" science.
When you hear or see someone state "The science is settled" you know you're dealing with someone who hasn't got a clue to what science is.
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When you hear or see someone state "The science is settled" you know you're dealing with someone who hasn't got a clue to what science is.
To some extent this is true. We scientists know something until we don't and science is always evolving. That said, there are a few givens. For example, Mendelian Genetics has withstood the test of time. There have been things that appeared not to follow, but those turned out to be ancillary phenomena, Transmission genetics still works. I can easily say the same for Electrodynamics, Evolution by natural Selection, Techtonic plate theory and quite a few others. They're certain to be modified over time, but unlikely to be wholly overthrown.
This has been wantonly applied to Climate Science and derided by its deniers. Sad, since we are experiencing the effects of Climate change all around us and have a cautionary tale about it as our nearest planetary neighbor. Thankfully I'll be long dead before things get really bad, and I leave behind no children to inherit the world I helped break (or at least who's breakage I was unable to stop).
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To some extent this is true. We scientists know something until we don't and science is always evolving. That said, there are a few givens. For example, Mendelian Genetics has withstood the test of time. There have been things that appeared not to follow, but those turned out to be ancillary phenomena, Transmission genetics still works.
From Wired 2005: The conclusion by Purdue University molecular biologists contradicts at least some basic rules of plant evolution that were believed to be absolute since the mid-1800s, when Austrian monk Gregor Mendel experimented with peas and saw that traits are passed on from one generation to the next. Mendelian genetics has been the foundation of both crop hybridization and the understanding of basic cell mutations and trait inheritance.
In the Purdue experiment, researchers found that a watercress plant sometimes corrects the genetic code it inherited from its flawed parents and grows normally like its grandparents and other ancestors.
This has been wantonly applied to Climate Science and derided by its deniers. Sad, since we are experiencing the effects of Climate change all around us and have a cautionary tale about it as our nearest planetary neighbor.
Climate changed all the time and no one denies it. What is up for debate is the effect that humans have on this change. It may be a little. It may be a lot. It may be that we have a dampening effect on climate change. But there is no way that me being forced to give my money to the government will have any affect on climate change.
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Well except for the chromosome and gender thing. In that case the State Religion turns its back on science so people don’t get their feelings hurt.
to steal an idiotic post from POA:
Your sex == what you've got
Your gender == who you are
Of course, if someone were to question that, the thread would get locked...
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Climate changed all the time and no one denies it. What is up for debate is the effect that humans have on this change. ...
also up for debate is determination of what is the correct climate.
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Climate changed all the time and no one denies it. What is up for debate is the effect that humans have on this change. It may be a little. It may be a lot. It may be that we have a dampening effect on climate change. But there is no way that me being forced to give my money to the government will have any affect on climate change.
And that's exactly it. Let's remove any and all discussion of wealth redistribution from the climate change argument. Let's strictly focus on the science.
But when that happens, the MMCC cult doesn't want to discuss it any longer, resorting back to charges of "science deniers!"
And no one can make a positive argument of how wealth redistribution can possibly solve climate change. It's the "just trust us" line.
And even the perfesser doesn't actually believe any of the climate change cult. If he did, he would get rid of his airplane, get rid of his motorbike and get an electric car. He would also have his home AC unit and furnace removed, plus he would install solar panels and possibly look into geo-thermal heating. But he won't.
Climate Change, like everything else in the liberal mindset, is for everyone else to adjust, and pay for.
Same as Socialism is for the people, not the socialist.
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The mmgw scam was the most expensive lie in history until the bullshit pandemic lies and liars%
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The mmgw scam was the most expensive lie in history until the bullshit pandemic lies and liars%
Actually looking at scale, I believe the scamdemic will hold the record.
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To some extent this is true. We scientists know something until we don't and science is always evolving. That said, there are a few givens. For example, Mendelian Genetics has withstood the test of time. There have been things that appeared not to follow, but those turned out to be ancillary phenomena, Transmission genetics still works. I can easily say the same for Electrodynamics, Evolution by natural Selection, Techtonic plate theory and quite a few others. They're certain to be modified over time, but unlikely to be wholly overthrown.
This has been wantonly applied to Climate Science and derided by its deniers. Sad, since we are experiencing the effects of Climate change all around us and have a cautionary tale about it as our nearest planetary neighbor. Thankfully I'll be long dead before things get really bad, and I leave behind no children to inherit the world I helped break (or at least who's breakage I was unable to stop).
Gravity was going along just great for 200 years,-"settled" by Sir Issac - until being "unsettled" by Prof Einstein.
We still don't know how gravity really works.
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Climate changed all the time and no one denies it. What is up for debate is the effect that humans have on this change. It may be a little. It may be a lot. It may be that we have a dampening effect on climate change. But there is no way that me being forced to give my money to the government will have any affect on climate change.
Precisely, and leftists like Steingar know it. But that doesn’t fit their narrative that climate “deniers” are knuckle-dragging Neanderthals.
The climate is always changing, and you can’t tell me that American F-150s have more impact on the climate than that giant 5800 Kelvin ball of fire a million times larger than Earth and 93 million miles away.
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to steal an idiotic post from POA:
Your sex == what you've got
Your gender == who you are
Of course, if someone were to question that, the thread would get locked...
Excellent. I’m an F-22 pilot. I mean if we’re making shit up as to who we are…..
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Excellent. I’m an F-22 pilot. I mean if we’re making shit up as to who we are…..
That's an art form at POA.
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Actually looking at scale, I believe the scamdemic will hold the record.
You think COVID was some sort of hoax? You really believe that 600,000 Americans didn't die of COVID? You really believe that it isn't ravaging other nations in the world as I write this? By Odin you're delusional. You get your news from people who's own lawyers claim they aren't credible.
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You think COVID was some sort of hoax? You really believe that 600,000 Americans didn't die of COVID? You really believe that it isn't ravaging other nations in the world as I write this? By Odin you're delusional. You get your news from people who's own lawyers claim they aren't credible.
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And just like your fellow travelers, you took my statement, removed some words then added your words to make it look like something I didn't say.
Sorry, but the world is on to your ideology and methods.
Try again.
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Thinking about it, I'd be OK being called a "current science denier" since what we think we know changes all the time. I don't deny science since it is all about logical inquiry, pulling facts together, developing a theory, testing that theory, modifying it, getting new data, and on and on. Scientific inquiry is all about change. Yes, I deny the current science about the virus, man-made climate change, the goodness of democrats, and so forth. As new data gets collected the current scientific theories must change. That's the way it works. I enjoy finding the flaws in current theory and throwing a wrench in the gears of the way we think things work. That's my job as a research professor. Professional skeptic. I propose a new theory and others try to shoot it down. I never say that my way is right and it's settled. It's right until proven wrong.
The thing that really angers me is that for politicians and political scientists (not the discipline of political science, but scientists who are political like Foochi) there is never any room for doubt. My data may explain only maybe 30% of the thing I'm doing research on. That's good enough for theory building, but that may change as more data is collected. Early on the data indicated that the virus behaved in a certain way. We were told that there's no doubt, that's the way it worked. It would never do for anyone to say that we're 30% certain that the virus is no big deal. 20% certain that the virus is the most horrible thing ever, and 50% we just don't know. They go worst case and say that it's 70% horrible (adding in the 50% we don't know) and go with that because it's politically attractive. If it's not not a big deal then it must be horrible, right? Stupid Bayesians.
Rant mode off.
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Here's where Pope Tony shows, once and for all, he's all into the ideology and uses science as a means to an end.
‘Attacks on me are attacks on science and truth’
https://citizenfreepress.com/breaking/insane-quote-from-fauci/
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You think COVID was some sort of hoax? You really believe that 600,000 Americans didn't die of COVID? You really believe that it isn't ravaging other nations in the world as I write this? By Odin you're delusional. You get your news from people who's own lawyers claim they aren't credible.
I personally don't think COVID was a hoax. It was a serious disease with serious repercussions.
But I think the shutting down of the economy, giving millions of people trillions of dollars and destroying productivity was a scam designed to destroy Trump. That was the real hoax. The hoax wasn't the virus, but the politicization of the virus.
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You think COVID was some sort of hoax? You really believe that 600,000 Americans didn't die of COVID? You really believe that it isn't ravaging other nations in the world as I write this? By Odin you're delusional. You get your news from people who's own lawyers claim they aren't credible.
I know you’re a hoax.
For all your blabbering and bullshit, there is always the clown behind the mask waiting to go nuclear on whoever challenges your religion of communism wrapped inside a patina of fake academic, phony concerned citizen of the world, and pathetic ego.
You use your make believe outrage to turn discussion away from your half truths, lies and outright fraud.
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The physical manipulations of nucleic acid sequences are child's ply to any cogent scientist, American or Chinese. We can all do it. The problem is making all the parts function as a whole. We can physically copy the genome of a simple bacterium in vitro, and even reintroduce it to a similar bacterium, in essence reprogramming it. What we can't do is make a virus from whole cloth. No one is that smart, we're still working out how these things function.
If you're talking about evolving the virus in a lab, yes you could try and infect tissue culture human cells. That's about the only way I could see to do it. I don't know of any cell lines from the human respiratory tract, even if there are they're likely tumor cells, and potentially not that informative vis a vis viral infectivity. Working with primary cells is difficult at best. Sourcing them isn't easy, and growing them quite a bit less so. Moreover most primary cells can only be grown for a short time before undergoing senescence. Moreover, airway epithelium are different from buccal are different from pulmonary. Just doesn't sound terribly feasible to me.
Now Mother Nature has a great test bed for evolving viruses. She has lots of folks in close proximity to animals and their viruses. Any virus evolves enough to infect humans and it can be very successful, making lots and lots of progeny viruses. It has happened over and over again, from Measles and Mumps to AIDS, SARS, and MERS in the modern age. Plagues have overtaken humanity again and again throughout history. Thankfully we now have scientists who can make vaccines to head these things off. I doubt we'll have such things for long though. Sooner or later folks with the mindset of the people on this board will do away with all of it.
I was with you until the last sentence. Do you seriously think un-woke people are going to get rid of vaccines?
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I was with you until the last sentence. Do you seriously think un-woke people are going to get rid of vaccines?
That’s why it’s difficult for me to give credence to what he says. He always sums up with a lie.
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The alleged origin was either Pangolins or certain bats, but neither species resided anywhere near the outbreak. In one sense it does not matter whether the virus mutation was natural or deliberately man-made - it was Chinese researchers who paid bounties to have the bats brought to the Wuhan labs and presumably replicated potentially dangerous viruses. One does not need to delve into genetic probabilities or intent since the Chinese lab personnel are already culpable for poor bio safety protocols. They are responsible.
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The alleged origin was either Pangolins or certain bats, but neither species resided anywhere near the outbreak. In one sense it does not matter whether the virus mutation was natural or deliberately man-made - it was Chinese researchers who paid bounties to have the bats brought to the Wuhan labs and presumably replicated potentially dangerous viruses. One does not need to delve into genetic probabilities or intent since the Chinese lab personnel are already culpable for poor bio safety protocols. They are responsible.
THIS. Although it matters from the standpoint of whether or not the Chinese are deliberately trying to engineer bioweapons and also it matters that the U.S. taxpayers funded their research, whether altruistic or malicious; as a taxpayer I'm sick of paying salaries of bureaucrats, politicians and academics, to do stuff I probably wouldn't approve of.
That is what this all boils down to: the intellectual and political elite draining the ordinary American of wealth and funneling it uphill - I'm beginning to see why Marxism appeals to the proletariat. Except it isn't capitalism doing this it's government, but useful idiots can't see the difference for some reason.
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Let us not forget that the estimate is $440B of fraud in the distribution of all that borrowed money.
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Also, don’t forget who actually runs the Wuhan lab, the Chinese Military. And don’t forget what their research is centered around, bio-warfare.
And Fauci helped fund it.
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But the virus research was important so we could get ready for a possible pandemic!
But the big spikes in Biden votes on election night were from heavily Democrat areas!
But the vaccines are totally safe and everyone should get one!
Ad infinitum ...
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Also, don’t forget who actually runs the Wuhan lab, the Chinese Military. And don’t forget what their research is centered around, bio-warfare.
And Fauci helped fund it.
...and Mikey and the academic communist cabal is beside themselves defending it.
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but APOS is also an expert on bio-warfare
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but APOS is also an expert on bio-warfare
I wonder how many Chinese nationals work in his university’s labs.
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I personally don't think COVID was a hoax. It was a serious disease with serious repercussions.
But I think the shutting down of the economy, giving millions of people trillions of dollars and destroying productivity was a scam designed to destroy Trump. That was the real hoax. The hoax wasn't the virus, but the politicization of the virus.
600,000 Americans died with us doing all we could to stop the spread of the virus. We nearly tanked our medical system (and please don't tell me it didn't happen, MDs told me). Had we done nothing it would have been far, far worse. Basically what India and Indonesia are going through right now. Trump combatted good sense antiviral strategies at every step of the way. I can't imagine how many people died because of his shit.
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600,000 Americans died with us doing all we could to stop the spread of the virus. We nearly tanked our medical system (and please don't tell me it didn't happen, MDs told me). Had we done nothing it would have been far, far worse. Basically what India and Indonesia are going through right now. Trump combatted good sense antiviral strategies at every step of the way. I can't imagine how many people died because of his shit.
There’s your sum-up lie again.
You mean he combatted strategies like getting vaccines developed and recommending HCQ? Keep up. Your argument isn’t aging well.
As well, you’re touting Trump-initiated vaccines.
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We nearly tanked our medical system (and please don't tell me it didn't happen, MDs told me).
It didn't happen. Hearsay. Inadmissible.
And there were all those tent emergency rooms that went unused. All those vents that went unused. TWO hospital ships that went unused.
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We nearly tanked our medical system (and please don't tell me it didn't happen, MDs told me).
yup - all the fearmongering chicken-littles almost killed a lot of industries.
Is fearmongering a word... oh heck, it's the interweb...
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It didn't happen. Hearsay. Inadmissible.
And there were all those tent emergency rooms that went unused. All those vents that went unused. TWO hospital ships that went unused.
Exactly. Milwaukee had one that cost $15 million for 530 beds. Never had more than 13 token patients.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/money/business/health-care/2020/11/25/whats-happening-field-hospital-state-fair-park/6409246002/
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There’s your sum-up lie again.
You mean he combatted strategies like getting vaccines developed and recommending HCQ? Keep up. Your argument isn’t aging well.
As well, you’re touting Trump-initiated vaccines.
Trump managed to keep his fat ass out of the way. Some folks did streamline the approval process for vaccines made by the scientists you guys deride, I'll give him that. He used his bully pulpit in the most destruction fashion imaginable. He militated militating against masks, held giant rallies in deference to good sense and combatted with Fauci and anyone else who disagreed with him.
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You are a delusional liar.
Congratulations.
Everyone can see right thru your lies.
Are you not capable of a single independent thought, mikey.
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You are a delusional liar.
Congratulations.
Everyone can see right thru your lies.
Are you not capable of a single independent thought, mikey.
At least I can post something other than insults.
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At least I can post something other than insults.
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Trump managed to keep his fat ass out of the way. Some folks did streamline the approval process for vaccines made by the scientists you guys deride, I'll give him that. He used his bully pulpit in the most destruction fashion imaginable. He militated militating against masks, held giant rallies in deference to good sense and combatted with Fauci and anyone else who disagreed with him.
And yet time and time again Trump was proven right. About the masks, about the Chinese bat virus origin, about preventative medications, about the virus needing anything more than the most vulnerable people being cautious, about everything. And about Foochi being a liar and a political stooge.
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At least I can post something other than insults.
Lies and democrat talking points don't count.
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At least I can post something other than insults.
When are you going to start?
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Wait! We must stay locked down! To prevent mass shootings! In Austin, Chicago, Savannah.
CHICAGO (AP) — Two people were killed and at least 30 others wounded in mass shootings overnight in three states, authorities said Saturday, stoking concerns that a spike in U.S. gun violence could continue into summer as coronavirus restrictions ease and more people are free to socialize.
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Who knew???
The FAKE scamdemic causes black on black violence.
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Wait! We must stay locked down! To prevent mass shootings! In Austin, Chicago, Savannah.
We could prevent all non-intra-family violence by keeping everyone locked into their homes 100% of the time. We would also prevent all car crashes by banning all car travel. We need to do this.
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We could prevent all non-intra-family violence by keeping everyone locked into their homes 100% of the time. We would also prevent all car crashes by banning all car travel. We need to do this.
While it’s fun to make such assumptions, the left is now working overtime to come up with our next “emergency” to do just that.
They are so thrilled about the scamdemic results and the suspension of rights. Keep listening, lots of chatter about declaring climate emergencies out there.
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The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money…
MargaretThatcher
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https://www.breitbart.com/health/2021/06/13/pinkerton-dr-fauci-meet-dr-frankenstein-did-gain-of-function-research-create-a-monster/
Gain of Fear
In the last few weeks, we’ve all learned a new phrase from the eerie realm of virology: “gain of function research.” Abbreviated as GOFR, it’s defined as “any field of medical research that alters an organism or disease in a way that increases pathogenesis, transmissibility, or host range (the types of hosts that a microorganism can infect).”
So yeah, just to hear about it, gain of function research sounds dangerous. And yet many experts say that it is a good idea, because that’s how we learn about viruses and how to counter them. One expert who has made this argument is Dr. Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institutes for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID); he’s the man who has, of course, during the Covid-19 pandemic, become a household name.
Fauci hasn’t mentioned gain of function research much in the last year, let alone his association with it, and yet now we are learning more about him and his associations—and it’s all scary.
On May 28, Sharri Markson published a piece in The Australian, recalling a 2012 article by Fauci, in which he acknowledged the risks of gain of function research and yet argued in favor of going ahead anyway. As he wrote nearly a decade ago, “In an unlikely but conceivable turn of events, what if that scientist becomes infected with the virus, which leads to an outbreak and ultimately triggers a pandemic?” And yet, he continued, “the benefits of such experiments and the resulting knowledge outweigh the risks.”
So while U.S. government funding for gain of function research was paused in 2014 out of concern for safety; in 2017, in part because of Fauci’s prodding, it was restarted once again.
Then came Covid-19, which has killed nearly 700,000 Americans and some three million more around the world (and massively disrupted the economy for just about everyone except Jeff Bezos, who has, of course, profited handsomely).
And while we have vaccines now for Covid-19, we don’t know what’s coming next. In the warning words of Baylor College of Medicine professor Peter Hotez, “There’s going to be Covid-26 and Covid-32 unless we fully understand the origins of Covid-19.”
In the meantime though the unresolved questions about Covid-19 are piling up. Specifically, did it come from the Wuhan Institute of Virology? And did gain of function research contribute to Covid’s deadliness? And did U.S. funding of the Chinese lab greenlighted by Fauci play a role?
Last month, former New York Times reporter Nicholas Wade recalled “the long history of viruses escaping from even the best-run laboratories.” And speaking specifically to the question of gain of function research, he added, “From the hindsight of 2021, one can say that the value of gain-of-function studies in preventing the [Covid-19] epidemic was zero.” And yet, he added, “The risk was catastrophic.”
Wade then added some useful political context, seeking to separate out the science of Covid-19 from its politics; that is, the political framing of the issue, much of it traceable to the liberal establishment’s loathing of Donald Trump. After all, back in 2020, the 45th president had been saying that the People’s Republic of China was at fault—and for just as long, the MSM and the expert class had been saying that, no, it was mostly Trump’s fault.
As Wade put it, “Wuhan lab cooking up novel viruses of maximal danger in unsafe conditions could eventually displace the ideological insistence that whatever Trump said can’t be true.” So now, Wade writes, “Let the reckoning begin.”
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I keep thinking that we need to rename this bio-terror weaponized virus, Fauci’s Virus.
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What you guys call "Gain of Function Research" is basically what I've been doing for the last 40 years. Put in the wrong hands it could do...
...probably nothing at all. While we like to act like we know everything in fact we know very little about how livings organisms do their thing. It would take amazing wisdom to be able to outdo Ma Nature in this regard. There are some really amazing pathogens out there, lots with a much greater rate of lethality. Were I a bioweapons Czar first thing I'd do is collect some of those things and see if I could put them in a missile. The last thing I'd do is try and make some sci fi virus and infect my own country with it. If the Chinese are really that ham-fisted I can't see why we're at all worried about them.
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If the Chinese are really that ham-fisted I can't see why we're at all worried about them.
Because our politicians are worse. The only thing that saves us is our Constitution. At least for now.
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What you guys call "Gain of Function Research" is basically what I've been doing for the last 40 years. Put in the wrong hands it could do...
...probably nothing at all. While we like to act like we know everything in fact we know very little about how livings organisms do their thing. It would take amazing wisdom to be able to outdo Ma Nature in this regard. There are some really amazing pathogens out there, lots with a much greater rate of lethality. Were I a bioweapons Czar first thing I'd do is collect some of those things and see if I could put them in a missile. The last thing I'd do is try and make some sci fi virus and infect my own country with it. If the Chinese are really that ham-fisted I can't see why we're at all worried about them.
Thanks for the continuing confirmation of just how clueless you are.
BTW, do you wear your coffee filter home made mask while working in your lab?
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What you guys call "Gain of Function Research" is basically what I've been doing for the last 40 years. Put in the wrong hands it could do...
...probably nothing at all. While we like to act like we know everything in fact we know very little about how livings organisms do their thing. It would take amazing wisdom to be able to outdo Ma Nature in this regard. There are some really amazing pathogens out there, lots with a much greater rate of lethality. Were I a bioweapons Czar first thing I'd do is collect some of those things and see if I could put them in a missile. The last thing I'd do is try and make some sci fi virus and infect my own country with it. If the Chinese are really that ham-fisted I can't see why we're at all worried about them.
They didn’t need to be making bioweapons. Fauci himself said that if a virus made more transmissible by gain of function research got loose and caused a pandemic it would be worth it because of the potential benefits. The Chinese could have just been doing that, making it more transmissible to try to infect mice with humanized lung tissue to try to develop a vaccine.
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Thanks for the continuing confirmation of just how clueless you are.
BTW, do you wear your coffee filter home made mask while working in your lab?
I once asked you your version of "gain of function" research. You were quite silent on the matter. Perhaps you should learn more and insult less, if that's at all possible.
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Perhaps you should learn more and insult less, if that's at all possible.
When are you going to start?
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I once asked you your version of "gain of function" research. You were quite silent on the matter. Perhaps you should learn more and insult less, if that's at all possible.
If you would stop the constant lies, the distortions and the constant babbling of leftist/marxist talking points and attempt to hold a normal conversation, you may, just may be taken seriously every now and then.
Gain of Function research. The type of GOFR that Fauci advocated and paid for was banned for years in the US
to his dismay, hence why he moved it to a communist country which realized they could capitalize from it. The US and many modern countries banned it because of it's use towards bio-warfare development, a FACT. Fauci continued funding it with tax payer dollars through a third party in an attempt to hide the money trail, anther FACT. Even Pope Tony admitted, on video, that GOFR could result in an all out pandemic that could kill millions, yet he stated "It would be worth it". Another FACT.
You want to play word salad games because of your ongoing belief that you're the smartest guy in the room, but then fall flat on your face each and every time.
Stop being an apologist and a tool for the DCP.
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Mikey can't do anything different than he does.
He's a fucking academic tool, pretending to be better than the rest of us because his fucking twat peers says so.
Academia has become a pathetic circle jerk of blind mice following a faint trail of bullshit, while attempting
to be the wokest, and most bigoted mouse in the room.
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I once asked you your version of "gain of function" research. You were quite silent on the matter. Perhaps you should learn more and insult less, if that's at all possible.
In the past, you've been asked questions many many times. And we get crickets in response from you.
Perhaps you might consider Matthew 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"
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Perhaps you might consider Matthew 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"
Not his gig. He adheres to the word of Odin.
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ah the irony of Lucifer liking a post with a bible verse...
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ah the irony of Lucifer liking a post with a bible verse...
Don't know your biblical history huh?
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Don't know your biblical history huh?
actually, I do.
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Light bringer.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/one-child-nation-inside-chinas-horrifying-child-killing-policy
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/one-child-nation-inside-chinas-horrifying-child-killing-policy
I just watched that. Horrific!
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“One Child Nation proves a portrait of powerlessness in the face of an authoritarian government that demanded blind obedience, and didn’t care about the human wreckage caused by its demands.”
Vaccine papers, please.
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Become my willing thrall!
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“One Child Nation proves a portrait of powerlessness in the face of an authoritarian government that demanded blind obedience, and didn’t care about the human wreckage caused by its demands.”
That is the exact sentence I wanted to quote and post. Thanks for doing it for me. :)
The most frightening thing about that documentary is how like the CCP the American left is, and how blind so many Americans are to the evils of tyranny.
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Bongino did a thing on his show the other day about how people in the USSR learned to read the news "upside down", meaning whatever Pravda said you knew it was the opposite. He said that today's media here is the same at this point. You listen to what they report and think the opposite.
We know China has designs to rule the world. Why anyone would believe anything they say is beyond me and beyond stupid.
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That is the exact sentence I wanted to quote and post. Thanks for doing it for me. :)
The most frightening thing about that documentary is how like the CCP the American left is, and how blind so many Americans are to the evils of tyranny.
But we've been told that white supremacy is the biggest threat to our country........that and climate change. ::)
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But we've been told that white supremacy is the biggest threat to our country........that and climate change. ::)
Misdirection.
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Misdirection.
By the President? And the AG? C'mon...........
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Keep it up Alice.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/15/biden-administration-asks-americans-to-report-potentially-radicalized-friends-and-family/
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Keep it up Alice.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/15/biden-administration-asks-americans-to-report-potentially-radicalized-friends-and-family/
This is why the left is trying to erase history. If nobody can remember the atrocities of the past, it will make it easier for the left to implement the same tactics of the Nazis and communists.
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Keep it up Alice.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/15/biden-administration-asks-americans-to-report-potentially-radicalized-friends-and-family/
Brown shirts will be given to all people who report someone.
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Brown shirts will be given to all people who report someone.
Mikey will be first in line.
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https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/16/a-chinese-lab-virus-so-now-what/
A Chinese Lab Virus? So Now What?
By Victor Davis Hanson
For over a year, the American establishment and media borg have ostracized anyone who dared to connect the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic with the Chinese military-sponsored, level-4 biosafety Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Then, suddenly and without apologies for their past demagoguery, “journalists” and “experts” concede that the nearby Wuhan lab may well be the most likely genesis.
Why the abrupt change?
Donald Trump is no longer president.
There is now no need for progressives to declare everything Trump once asserted as truth a lie. And that paradox includes Trump’s spring 2020 insistence that the lab, not a wet market of sliced-up bats, was the source of the outbreak.
The recent release of Anthony Fauci’s emails, along with the new information about Dr. Peter Daszak’s gain-of-function research, make it indisputable that both were knowingly channeling U.S. taxpayer dollars to the Chinese for coronavirus research in Wuhan.
So now what?
We are left with a number of lose-lose scenarios about China’s failed efforts to lie about the origins of COVID-19.
One, will China continually deny what is appearing to be undeniable? Perhaps, if we remember it is a country with a Communist Party hierarchy that once killed 60 million under Mao, and whose present apparat has put over 1 million Muslim Uyghurs into camps.
A stonewalling Beijing likely will conclude that the risk of appearing guilty for causing one of the greatest “natural” global disasters in a century is not nearly as destructive to its interests as admitting it.
Will China then wait us out, in O.J. Simpson fashion, denying the obvious facts—until wearied Americans move onto another of their media frenzies?
Or, two, could China confess that its SARS-CoV-2 virus was birthed in the Wuhan lab, but claim its appearance was a “joint” effort with the United States? They would then point to Fauci himself, who approved funds for Wuhan coronavirus enhancement to be channeled by Daszak. The Chinese would further insist their combined efforts were aimed at finding a “cure” for coronavirus epidemics. And thus Beijing should not be blamed—or at least not solely blamed.
Beijing could retort that it, too, was misled by its own sloppy researchers. Or the communist government might even preposterously answer that its prior code of silence was meant to shield the role of U.S. funders of the pandemic disaster.
Americans then would end up wondering to what degree our own doctors and institutions, at the highest levels of the U.S. government and of global medical establishment, not only lied to us throughout the crisis, but, in some bizzarro way, may have shared responsibility for the engineering of the Satanic virus itself.
Or three, Chinese officials could privately wink and nod to our intelligence and military communities that their researchers were, in fact, pursuing “legitimate” viral gain-of-function research until a terrible Chernobyl-like accident took place. Such things have also happened, they might unofficially remind our officials, at Bhopal, Three Mile Island, and Fukushima. In back channels Beijing then would regret the resulting global economic catastrophe, the millions dead, the even more millions sickened, the billions of lives harmed by the lockdown, and the apparent 2020-21 American political, economic, social and cultural meltdown.
China additionally would lament its “mistaken” lack of transparency and the “confusion” that accounted for misleading the world. And yet China would still smile, and sort of promise off the record that such an unforeseen disaster would never, ever—or at least almost never—happen again.
Four, we tend to block out the unthinkable. Nonetheless, in a few weeks more information from within China could leak out that the virus was a joint weaponized creation of civilian virologists and the Chinese military. How the virus escaped would not be clear, but millions the world over would suspect the worst of any involvement of the Chinese military.
In all these scenarios, we are left with the suspicion that an embryonic engineered virus was mysteriously released that did more damage to the Western world than any weapon deliberately employed since World War II. And we will become terrified that, in theory, it could happen again. More importantly, we still have no idea what to do: whether to act in a punitive or deterrent fashion, or both or neither.
Washington strategists are no doubt gaming all these rumors and unthinkables.
In some way, many Americans are naïvely hopeful that COVID-19 was a one-off, ill-thought-out, gain-of-function laboratory accident.
But some are most terrified that it was a proto-bioweapon that, regardless of whether it was accidentally released at some point, became a “never let a crisis go to waste” moment—an attitude that not only explained Chinese lying, but also the entire terrible year of 2020, and the near destruction of American society itself.
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Not content to just restrict breathing by requiring masks, the World Health Organization now recommends that women "of childbearing age" be prohibited from drinking alcohol.
Women aged between 18 and 50 should be stopped from drinking alcohol because it may harm their chances of giving birth, World Health Organisation bosses have claimed.
The guidance is part of the WHO's draft global alcohol action plan 2022-2030. The plan says: “Appropriate attention should be given to the prevention of the initiation of drinking among children and adolescents, prevention of drinking among pregnant women and women of childbearing age”.
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Not content to just restrict breathing by requiring masks, the World Health Organization now recommends that women "of childbearing age" be prohibited from drinking alcohol.
Not surprising given the ties of WHO to China. Overbearing authoritarian control of people's free choices par for the course.
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Not content to just restrict breathing by requiring masks, the World Health Organization now recommends that women "of childbearing age" be prohibited from drinking alcohol.
That would sure reduce the unwanted pregnancy problem and practically eliminate the need for abortions.
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That would sure reduce the unwanted pregnancy problem and practically eliminate the need for abortions.
Ok Mao.
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That would sure reduce the unwanted pregnancy problem and practically eliminate the need for abortions.
Didn't say I'd approve of it. But unless things have changed, in my day it was much easier to get a drunk woman into bed. Or perhaps it was that drunk chicks were more likely to take me to bed.
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Just a smidge of sarcasm.... eh?
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How about that. Now that Trump is out of office, several scientists have come out and said that the lab leak theory is quite possible and needs investigation. They kept quiet to avoid being associated with Trump. TRUST THE SCIENCE!!! But keep quiet if the science doesn't fit the narrative.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/lab-leak-theory-science-scientists-rcna1191
Chan said there had been trepidation among some scientists about publicly discussing the lab leak hypothesis for fear that their words could be misconstrued or used to support racist rhetoric about how the coronavirus emerged.
"At the time, it was scarier to be associated with Trump and to become a tool for racists, so people didn't want to publicly call for an investigation into lab origins," she said.
Now, more scientists are comfortable confronting the gamut of plausible theories — particularly given China's opacity about the topic — although many still caution that entertaining the idea of a lab leak requires clear scientific proof, which hasn't materialized.
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You might find this interesting.....
https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/06/17/breaking-chinese-defector-confirmed-as-top-counterintelligence-official-n398374
BREAKING: Chinese Defector's Identity Confirmed, Was Top Counterintelligence Official
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Ha! "Dong"!
and told China that the US didn’t have Dong.
Nor balls since Trump left office.
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You might find this interesting.....
https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2021/06/17/breaking-chinese-defector-confirmed-as-top-counterintelligence-official-n398374
BREAKING: Chinese Defector's Identity Confirmed, Was Top Counterintelligence Official
That’s quite an article. I wonder if I can trust that it’s true?
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That’s quite an article. I wonder if I can trust that it’s true?
I'm guessing time will tell. Problem is, with a Democrat administration would they allow it to get out.
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I'm guessing time will tell. Problem is, with a Democrat administration would they allow it to get out.
Between the Democrats, the Chinese, and the lying media, we will never get the truth.
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Between the Democrats, the Chinese, and the lying media, we will never get the truth.
“Birds of a feather.....”?
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“Birds of a feather.....”?
How DO you tell the difference between a communist chinese spy, an American traitor and a democrat???
I don't think it can be done.
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How DO you tell the difference between a communist chinese spy, an American traitor and a democrat???
I don't think it can be done.
A racist, a communist and a fraud walk into a bar.......
Just kidding, it was Barack Obama.
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