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Title: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: Little Joe on September 01, 2021, 05:38:41 AM
I often say things like "nobody disputes the climate is changing", but am I talking out my ass when I say that

I know.  The poll questions suck and leaves out how most people really feel.  So briefly, what is your opinion on whether it is happening and is it a good thing or bad thing (for most humans) or makes no difference.  For me, it is a big concern because my house is about 30 inches above sea level about 150 feet from the intracoastal waterway.
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 01, 2021, 05:42:26 AM
Changing?  duh

can we effect it?  sure

Do we know what the climate is supposed to be?  Bueller?  Bueller?
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: Lucifer on September 01, 2021, 05:44:21 AM
https://issuesinsights.com/2021/08/31/global-warming-narrative-takes-another-hit/



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We have been constantly told for what seems like as long as we can remember that Antarctica is shrinking because man’s carbon dioxide emissions are overheating our planet. While fearmongering has made its way around the world countless times, the truth is still pulling on its boots.

So what is the truth? It’s quite straightforward: Antarctic sea ice has been growing.

According to the Japan Meteorological Agency, the continent’s annual maximum sea ice has grown for three straight years. The annual mean is increasing, and the annual minimum has also expanded for three consecutive years. The long-term trend lines for the annual maximum and mean, starting in 1979, are noticeably moving upward, while the trend line for the annual minimum is ascending, as well, though much more modestly.

Doesn’t fit the doomsday narrative, does it?

Please don’t think this is an isolated and therefore meaningless example. There are many other facts that show the global warming fears are overblown.

For instance, two years ago, we showed that predictions claiming that the Great Lakes were drying up due to man-made global warming were, if we might use a term favored by the current occupant of the White House, malarkey.

Moving up to today, we’re reading that “many parts of Europe have not had much of a real summer, having seen much cool and wet weather this year,” and that there’s August snow in Austria, which is not just “one-day freak weather event” but the beginning of a snowy period and a usually cool cycle.

We’ve also recently learned:

There’s been no change in sea surface temperatures along Australia’s the Great Barrier Reef in 150 years.
That ​​​​sea levels near British Columbia were almost 300 feet higher 14,500 years ago than they are today, and were about 30 feet higher 1,800 years ago.
Deaths associated with extreme temperatures have been declining since 2000.
Environmental Protection Agency and National Hurricane Center data “show hurricanes have neither become more numerous or more powerful during the past half-century of modest warming.”
Despite these facts and the many more that have been documented over the decades, the Biden administration’s Department of Health and Human Services has created an office that treats climate change as a public-health issue; alarmists are calling for a global climate strike on Sept. 24 in which the protesters – and likely rioters – will demand “intersectional climate justice”; and Washington’s Democrats continue to agitate for more spending on climate projects that will do nothing beyond emptying taxpayers’ pockets.

Of course, these are just a few in-the-moment developments. The climate alarmists have been running a nonstop racket for decades, always demanding more of other people’s money and greater power over others’ lives. As long as they keep it up, we’ll continue to point out the gaping holes in their tales. It’s our public service.
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: Rush on September 01, 2021, 05:51:26 AM
It’s always gradually changing and all species including us adapt without even noticing. But once in a while we will get a sudden major change, usually a sudden cooling caused by a volcanic eruption and a couple years of dust blocking energy from the sun. This can be noticeable and have dire consequences. At least once that we know of, an asteroid impact will mess up the climate for eons, drastically changing the types of life forms on the planet. None of these frightening events has ever been caused by man and there is nothing at all we can do to prevent them.
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: Steingar on September 01, 2021, 07:02:56 AM
There is nothing that will convince any of you of anthropogenic climate change.  Nothing at all.
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: Lucifer on September 01, 2021, 07:07:36 AM
There is nothing that will convince any of you of anthropogenic climate change.  Nothing at all.

 You don't believe in it either.  Not at all.
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: Rush on September 01, 2021, 07:16:08 AM
There is nothing that will convince any of you of anthropogenic climate change.  Nothing at all.

Sure there is:

1. If politicians and celebrities actually behaved as if they believe it. 

2. If there were scientific data that hasn’t been manipulated and cherry picked.

3. If opposing viewpoints weren’t actively censored, so I could gather all unbiased information.

4. If climate change policy weren’t a money and power grab.

Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: Number7 on September 01, 2021, 07:20:01 AM
There is nothing that will convince any of you of anthropogenic climate change.  Nothing at all.

IF you believed your own bullshit YOU would not ride motorcycles, fly your plane, or engage in the thousands of activities YOU know affect the climate.

But

Since you don't do any of the things that would actually make a difference, YOU are as big a hypocrite on the subject as al gore and the rest of the fake environmentalists.
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: bflynn on September 01, 2021, 07:25:41 AM
There is nothing that will convince any of you of anthropogenic climate change.  Nothing at all.

The science has been corrupted by fanatics.  There should be nothing that can convince anyone (except other fanatics) of it. 

I presume man is a contributor to climate change.  We're part of the system, so we have to be.  Right now the major contributors are India and China, US emissions are the lowest since 1984.  Our "leadership" can't influence Afghanistan, there's zero chance they can influence change in a major country. 

We might not be able to control it and cannot override sun cycles, orbits, etc, but we can control our own contribution...except for those who refuse to cooperate.
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: Username on September 01, 2021, 07:34:00 AM
There is nothing that will convince any of you of anthropogenic climate change.  Nothing at all.
Sure there is.  Actual data.  Can you tell me how much impact humans have had on the climate, and back it up with citations from a peer-reviewed journal?

Does climate change?  Yes.
Do humans have an impact on the local climate?  Yes.
Do humans have an impact on the global climate? Maybe.  Maybe not.  It may be tiny.  It may be huge.  There just isn't any data that I've found.  For every study that says there is, there is another study that says there isn't.

So please, convince me.  I have an open mind.  But so far there has been nothing but hype from athletes, celebrities, and politicians.  Anything from the other side has been suppressed.  That tells me that it's not about the climate.

But please, act like a scholar and present your evidence.  Otherwise, you're just blowing it out your ass like a good liberal.
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: Little Joe on September 01, 2021, 07:35:49 AM
There is nothing that will convince any of you of anthropogenic climate change.  Nothing at all.
Sure there is.  It just hasn't been presented in an honest, cohesive and convincing way yet.

I firmly believe that the activities of mankind over the past few hundred years has had an impact.  I just don't know how much, and I don't think there is anything we can do to purposely modify the rate of change that will not almost certainly have severe unintended consequences, including economic.

If you were to set out to lower the temperature of the earth, how would you do that?  What if you overshoot and cause an ice-age?
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: Anthony on September 01, 2021, 08:02:23 AM
There is nothing that will convince any of you of anthropogenic climate change.  Nothing at all.

Answer one question and you'll easily convince me.  We all agree that Climate changes naturally and sometimes extremely over time.  How do we tell the difference between NATURAL Climate change and MAN MADE Climate Change?
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: nddons on September 01, 2021, 08:22:08 AM
I often say things like "nobody disputes the climate is changing", but am I talking out my ass when I say that

I know.  The poll questions suck and leaves out how most people really feel.  So briefly, what is your opinion on whether it is happening and is it a good thing or bad thing (for most humans) or makes no difference.  For me, it is a big concern because my house is about 30 inches above sea level about 150 feet from the intracoastal waterway.
When Obama sells his mansion on Martha’s Vinyard, you may want to think about selling your place in the next 100 years.
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 01, 2021, 08:55:17 AM
There is nothing that will convince any of you of anthropogenic climate change.  Nothing at all.

How about you answer the question "what is the correct temperature for the earth?"
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: nddons on September 01, 2021, 09:03:09 AM
There is nothing that will convince any of you of anthropogenic climate change.  Nothing at all.
Nothing will convince you that that giant ball of gas and fire 1AU from earth, the same star that prevents earth from being a giant block of rock and ice, and with which slight changes in the shape of the orbit and tilt of the globe can plunge areas of the earth into the hottest deserts and the coldest continents and oceans, can’t possibly impact the climate on earth more than an American driving a pickup truck. Nothing at all.

So much for scientific curiosity.
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: bflynn on September 01, 2021, 10:56:10 AM
What if you overshoot and cause an ice-age?

That is the premise of the film "Snowpiercer" in which an attempt to control global warming devolves into a global ice age where nobody can survive outside for more than a minute.  Snowpiercer is the train running in a perpetual loop with the last remaining humans on board and the story of the society on board.

A little predictable, a little over done.  Maybe watch it if you can't find anything else on Netflix.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1706620/
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: jb1842 on September 01, 2021, 12:48:17 PM
That is the premise of the film "Snowpiercer" in which an attempt to control global warming devolves into a global ice age where nobody can survive outside for more than a minute.  Snowpiercer is the train running in a perpetual loop with the last remaining humans on board and the story of the society on board.

A little predictable, a little over done.  Maybe watch it if you can't find anything else on Netflix.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1706620/

I thought the premise is what happnens when you let democrats get too much power; the world goes to shit.
Title: Re: Climate Change; a poll
Post by: elwood blues on September 01, 2021, 01:37:04 PM
There is nothing that will convince any of you of anthropogenic climate change.  Nothing at all.

Got that right.