PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on October 09, 2021, 06:49:25 AM
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According to the Norway Health Institute
It’s going to get a lot harder for countries to continue the Big Lie.
https://christiansfortruth.com/norways-health-institute-downgrades-covid-19-as-no-more-dangerous-than-seasonal-flu/?fbclid=IwAR3KTJkB2kpyxl_pAPZ7stDYUWf3AfJ4oJfjhfd9JyZltHhpAGCo0liKu4A
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Yep.
The actual numbers have been skewed and manipulated for political purposes way too long. The meaningless “case” numbers have over inflated this to make it look worse.
The supposed “hospitals being over run” never materialized. The deaths with Covid were conveniently mixed in with the deaths from Covid to dilute that number.
Now we have Dr Lenna Wen wanting mandatory testing for every American twice a week. Ask yourself why? Remember the current test have very high false positives.
I can remember when Hussein Obama halted H1N1 testing because it was driving up the numbers. By stopping testing the virus mysteriously dropped from the news.
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Yep.
The actual numbers have been skewed and manipulated for political purposes way too long. The meaningless “case” numbers have over inflated this to make it look worse.
The supposed “hospitals being over run” never materialized. The deaths with Covid were conveniently mixed in with the deaths from Covid to dilute that number.
Now we have Dr Lenna Wen wanting mandatory testing for every American twice a week. Ask yourself why? Remember the current test have very high false positives.
I can remember when Hussein Obama halted H1N1 testing because it was driving up the numbers. By stopping testing the virus mysteriously dropped from the news.
The MEDIA in coercion with the Democrats, big Pharma, Tech and others created the Fear Porn to incite panic and irrational behavior in much of our now Lemming like populace. Idiots.
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The Spanish flu killed in the numbers seen for C19. Actually it killed far more, since the population was far smaller back then. But for any flu since, find me a year where 700,000 died of it.
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The Spanish flu killed in the numbers seen for C19. Actually it killed far more, since the population was far smaller back then. But for any flu since, find me a year where 700,000 died of it.
The 700,000 number you cite is inaccurate. That number is of people who died with Covid, not directly from Covid. In many instances that number includes suicides and accidents. It also includes people who were in the end stage of life suffering from terminal conditions such as heart disease and cancer.
The CDC has admitted this. At one point back months ago the CDC said the actual number of those who died solely from Covid was approximately 6% of the total number.
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The Spanish flu killed in the numbers seen for C19. Actually it killed far more, since the population was far smaller back then. But for any flu since, find me a year where 700,000 died of it.
You clearly have zero qualifications to make such idiotic demands.
The quality of life and health at the time of the spanish flu were far different, water purification was suspect in many areas and the general health was poor, at best.
However, it was compromised individuals that were most at risk for serious repercussions from the spanish flu, just like today.
In simple terms, since your brain is so anti-science and all in for communism, you are full of shit, as usual.
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The Spanish flu killed in the numbers seen for C19. Actually it killed far more, since the population was far smaller back then. But for any flu since, find me a year where 700,000 died of it.
zero. None.
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The Spanish flu killed in the numbers seen for C19. Actually it killed far more, since the population was far smaller back then. But for any flu since, find me a year where 700,000 died of it.
Addressing last sentence first:
Asian Flu, 1957-1958 estimated deaths: 1.1 million worldwide
Hong Kong Flu, 1968-1970 estimated deaths: 1 million worldwide
HIV/AIDS, 1981-present estimated deaths: 30 million worldwide
You’re also wrong in thinking the Spanish Flu and Covid-19 are anywhere near comparable.
Estimates for deaths due to the Spanish Flu vary from 40 to 50 million worldwide.
Estimates for deaths due to Covid-19 currently stand at 4.8 million worldwide.
So the Spanish Flu was an order of magnitude worse on an absolute scale.
Relative to populations at the time: Spanish Flu killed 2.5% of the world’s population.
So far Covid-19 has killed 0.05% of the world’s population. A factor of 50 difference.
Lastly, it should be noted that HIV/AIDS deaths constitute 0.7% of the world’s population.
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So far Covid-19 has killed 0.05% of the world’s population.
Lastly, it should be noted that HIV/AIDS deaths constitute 0.7% of the world’s population.
So why aren't we forced to take the HIV "vaccine" and wear full body condoms in the presence of other humans?
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So far Covid-19 has killed 0.05% of the world’s population. A factor of 50 difference.
Lastly, it should be noted that HIV/AIDS deaths constitute 0.7% of the world’s population.
Can you in good conscience compare numbers of deaths over 40 years (HIV/AIDS) with the number of deaths over 1.5 years (COVID)?
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Can you in good conscience compare numbers of deaths over 40 years (HIV/AIDS) with the number of deaths over 1.5 years (COVID)?
Sure. HIV attacks the immune system itself and there is, as yet, no cure (though treatments appear to have done a good job reducing fatalities.) Plus, its spread requires intimate contact. On the other hand Covid is spread much more readily and the population builds up immunity to Covid making its impact short-lived in comparison. Therefore an attempt at time-averaging (e.g. deaths per year) is bogus when evaluating comparative impact on lives.
Put another way, Covid would need to kill at its present average rate for another ~5 years to kill the same number as HiV/AIDS killed up to now. In the mean time HIV/AIDS will continue to kill, too.
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So why aren't we forced to take the HIV "vaccine" and wear full body condoms in the presence of other humans?
There isn't a good HIV vaccine, unless someone came up with one really recently. Heck, they just came up with a malaria vaccine, so I suppose anything is possible. Since it's a venereal disease all you have to do is not screw.
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There isn't a good HIV vaccine, unless someone came up with one really recently. Heck, they just came up with a malaria vaccine, so I suppose anything is possible. Since it's a venereal disease all you have to do is not screw.
Maybe the President should have made an EO for gays not to have anal sex. Maybe the CDC should have required gays to isolate and avoid contact with other gays?
Just think of all the lives they would have saved! HIV is a deadly disease!
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There isn't a good HIV vaccine, unless someone came up with one really recently. Heck, they just came up with a malaria vaccine, so I suppose anything is possible. Since it's a venereal disease all you have to do is not screw.
good grief. Your post has good info until that last sentence. What nonsense. sex isn't the only way HIV is transmitted.
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There isn't a good HIV vaccine, unless someone came up with one really recently. Heck, they just came up with a malaria vaccine, so I suppose anything is possible. Since it's a venereal disease all you have to do is not screw.
But the government can't trust people not to screw. It comes naturally, you know, like socializing, going to church, going to the bar.
Why didn't we isolate and lock people in separate rooms and refuse to medically treat those who "broke the rules"?
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good grief. Your post has good info until that last sentence. What nonsense. sex isn't the only way HIV is transmitted.
True, though these days blood supplies are screen for the virus. Still far easier to disseminate COVID than AIDs. Respiratory viruses spread quickly and easily. That said, HIV is far more lethal than COVID. Hard to make a vaccine because the reverse transcriptase, the enzyme that turns the RNA genome into DNA, is highly error prone. The virus mutates very very quickly, limiting vaccine effectiveness.
Then again, Plasmodium changes its surface proteins in a way highly reminiscent of how we make antibodies. That's why malaria comes and goes as it does. The vaccine has poor efficacy, but far better than nothing, especially since Malaria is a huge killer of African children.
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Why didn't we isolate and lock people in separate rooms and refuse to medically treat those who "broke the rules"?
Well, health care is a basic human right, correct? Isn't that what the left was screaming a year or two ago? You're not suggesting they were disingenuous, are you?
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Well, health care is a basic human right, correct? Isn't that what the left was screaming a year or two ago? You're not suggesting they were disingenuous, are you?
Yep, just like choosing what to put (and not put) in your body is a basic right. In fact it was the hippy left that was all anti-vax back in the day. My body my choice. The leftists in power are not even true leftists. They’re just lying hypocrites and power mongers.
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Yep, just like choosing what to put (and not put) in your body is a basic right. In fact it was the hippy left that was all anti-vax back in the day. My body my choice. The leftists in power are not even true leftists. They’re just lying hypocrites and power mongers.
Authoritarians is, IMHO, the correct and best label. Socialism’s dictionary definition doesn’t fit. Definitely not liberal in the classical sense of the word. I’ve seen the label Slavers also applied - when you think about the relationship between slaves and their masters and between private citizens and the authorities in government as the authoritarians envision it, it’s also an accurate label.
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Authoritarians is, IMHO, the correct and best label. Socialism’s dictionary definition doesn’t fit. Definitely not liberal in the classical sense of the word. I’ve seen the label Slavers also applied - when you think about the relationship between slaves and their masters and between private citizens and the authorities in government as the authoritarians envision it, it’s also an accurate label.
That’s right. Authoritarianism is what Reagan warned us against. He calls it totalitarianism in this 1964 speech:
“You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream-the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.“
We call the cabal pulling Biden’s strings “leftists” but Reagan was right. They don’t care any more about the liberal citizens as they do the conservative. They only want slaves. We need to wake up and come together. For my part, I am admitting the role of “bad” capitalism. Now the left needs to admit the role of centralized government control. It is the coming together of those two things that gives them the power to exert control over the rest of us. Private corporations can’t do it without the enforcement of law and government cannot do it without the money from capitalism.
The left needs to realize that small business capitalism is good. Profit motive in the middle class is good. The right needs to admit that defending mega corporations was a mistake as well as blaming the poor for their own circumstance.
Never have Reagan’s words been more true, that we are being told to choose between left and right, but it is a deliberate division used to keep us apart and weak so the authoritarians can stay in power.
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Rush, some posts deserve more than a "like". That was one of them.
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That’s right. Authoritarianism is what Reagan warned us against. He calls it totalitarianism in this 1964 speech:
“You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream-the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.“
We call the cabal pulling Biden’s strings “leftists” but Reagan was right. They don’t care any more about the liberal citizens as they do the conservative. They only want slaves. We need to wake up and come together. For my part, I am admitting the role of “bad” capitalism. Now the left needs to admit the role of centralized government control. It is the coming together of those two things that gives them the power to exert control over the rest of us. Private corporations can’t do it without the enforcement of law and government cannot do it without the money from capitalism.
The left needs to realize that small business capitalism is good. Profit motive in the middle class is good. The right needs to admit that defending mega corporations was a mistake as well as blaming the poor for their own circumstance.
Never have Reagan’s words been more true, that we are being told to choose between left and right, but it is a deliberate division used to keep us apart and weak so the authoritarians can stay in power.
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This will trigger the Branch Covidians.
https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/aspirin-lowers-risk-of-covid-new-findings-support-preliminary-israeli-trial-681127
Over-the-counter aspirin could protect the lungs of COVID-19 patients and minimize the need for mechanical ventilation, according to new research at the George Washington University.
The team investigated more than 400 COVID patients from hospitals across the United States who take aspirin unrelated to their COVID disease, and found that the treatment reduced the risk of several parameters by almost half: reaching mechanical ventilation by 44%, ICU admissions by 43%, and overall in-hospital mortality by 47%.
“As we learned about the connection between blood clots and COVID-19, we knew that aspirin – used to prevent stroke and heart attack – could be important for COVID-19 patients,” said Dr. Jonathan Chow of the study team. “Our research found an association between low-dose aspirin and decreased severity of COVID-19 and death.”
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This will trigger the Branch Covidians.
https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/aspirin-lowers-risk-of-covid-new-findings-support-preliminary-israeli-trial-681127
Well will you look at that! Right on the heals of Lucifer’s favorable aspirin for Covid article comes a NEW study, just out today, saying people in their 60s and above should no longer take a low dose aspirin.
SHAZAAM. It’s almost like Margaret Sanger’s 80 million aborted babies weren’t enough. Now they want to stop older people from taking safe preventative steps for their own health.
We are ALL being played, in everything.
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Well will you look at that! Right on the heals of Lucifer’s favorable aspirin for Covid article comes a NEW study, just out today, saying people in their 60s and above should no longer take a low dose aspirin.
SHAZAAM. It’s almost like Margaret Sanger’s 80 million aborted babies weren’t enough. Now they want to stop older people from taking safe preventative steps for their own health.
We are ALL being played, in everything.
Actually, the over-60 stop on aspirin has been around for a few years. My doctor told me to take it years ago. I did not, for reasons given me by another doctor who said it has its own problems. Then when I turned 60 the other doc told me to stop. Since I’d never started, I just nodded.
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What’s the deal with over 60? Suddenly aspirin is dangerous? Anyway, it is ototoxic so I avoid it. I’m already deaf enough.
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What’s the deal with over 60? Suddenly aspirin is dangerous? Anyway, it is ototoxic so I avoid it. I’m already deaf enough.
One article I read didn't say that aspirin is suddenly any more dangerous than it has always been. Just that it does nothing to help older people avoid that first stroke or heart attack, so why recommend it?
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Still take my baby aspirin every morning
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More triggering for the Branch Covidians.
https://medicaltrend.org/2021/10/10/taiwan-death-from-covid-19-vaccination-exceeds-death-from-covid-19/
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More triggering for the Branch Covidians.
https://medicaltrend.org/2021/10/10/taiwan-death-from-covid-19-vaccination-exceeds-death-from-covid-19/
Got an error. Did they take it down?
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Got an error. Did they take it down?
probably because.... "misinformation"
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Got an error. Did they take it down?
I got the error too, but on searching for the words in the link, I got this:
https://eastvalleypost.com/taiwan-death-from-covid-19-vaccination-exceeds-death-from-covid-19/
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Got an error. Did they take it down?
I just clicked the link and it came up
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I just clicked the link and it came up
It’s working now. Must have been a temporary glitch.
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Tell me again this is about health?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/10/12/maine-hospital-gives-dire-warning-about-healthcare-services-if-forced-to-fire-unvaccinated-workers-democrat-governor-says-let-your-hospital-patients-die-we-aint-changing/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=maine-hospital-gives-dire-warning-about-healthcare-services-if-forced-to-fire-unvaccinated-workers-democrat-governor-says-let-your-hospital-patients-die-we-aint-changing
Unfortunately, the Democrat Governor has announced she doesn’t care if the hospital has to shut down. Mills’ stated her unilateral jab mandate will remain in place and the vaxxed and unvaxxed citizens of Maine will die until they comply with the vaccine rules.
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democrat equals party of death, hate, racism, jealousy and hypocrisy.
mikey must be so proud to be a devoted democrat.
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Tell me again this is about health?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/10/12/maine-hospital-gives-dire-warning-about-healthcare-services-if-forced-to-fire-unvaccinated-workers-democrat-governor-says-let-your-hospital-patients-die-we-aint-changing/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=maine-hospital-gives-dire-warning-about-healthcare-services-if-forced-to-fire-unvaccinated-workers-democrat-governor-says-let-your-hospital-patients-die-we-aint-changing
Look at that unhappy, angry, ugly misanthrope. What a joke these people are and scary in the openness they have for wanting the unindoctrinated to just die. And that's OK???
We're one step away from Death Camps.
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Tell me again this is about health?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/10/12/maine-hospital-gives-dire-warning-about-healthcare-services-if-forced-to-fire-unvaccinated-workers-democrat-governor-says-let-your-hospital-patients-die-we-aint-changing/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=maine-hospital-gives-dire-warning-about-healthcare-services-if-forced-to-fire-unvaccinated-workers-democrat-governor-says-let-your-hospital-patients-die-we-aint-changing
Who the fuck are these mother fucking tyrants, and where’s the corporate courage for companies, non-profit or for-profit, to tell this fucking bitch governor to stick it up her ass?
What ever happened to courage?
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Who the fuck are these mother fucking tyrants, and where’s the corporate courage for companies, non-profit or for-profit, to tell this fucking bitch governor to stick it up her ass?
What ever happened to courage?
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That's actually some of the dumbest logic I can remember reading. Even including liberal sites I visit.
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That's actually some of the dumbest logic I can remember reading. Even including liberal sites I visit.
Liberal logic never makes sense.
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But the government can't trust people not to screw. It comes naturally, you know, like socializing, going to church, going to the bar.
The government cannot trust people to wear mask and get vaccinated too.
That still doesn't make it their business
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Not that I think anyone cares, but govt officials in Norway say they have been misquoted. The public health dept of Norway said this:
“Our position, as stated in the news article, is that at this point in the pandemic we must start approaching COVID-19 as one of several respiratory diseases circulating with seasonal variation. This means that the control measures that will be applicable for various respiratory diseases will require the same level of societal preparedness. This does not mean that illness from coronavirus and the seasonal flu are similar.”
It’s a subtle difference, but apparently close enough for the right to embrace the otherwise liberal Norway.
https://www.thip.media/health-news-fact-check/fact-check-have-norway-reclassified-covid-as-a-ordinary-flu/24886/
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Not that I think anyone cares, but govt officials in Norway say they have been misquoted. The public health dept of Norway said this:
“Our position, as stated in the news article, is that at this point in the pandemic we must start approaching COVID-19 as one of several respiratory diseases circulating with seasonal variation. This means that the control measures that will be applicable for various respiratory diseases will require the same level of societal preparedness. This does not mean that illness from coronavirus and the seasonal flu are similar.”
It’s a subtle difference, but apparently close enough for the right to embrace the otherwise liberal Norway.
https://www.thip.media/health-news-fact-check/fact-check-have-norway-reclassified-covid-as-a-ordinary-flu/24886/
The "Right " or thinking people that embrace personal choice, or maybe both are one in the same? This isn't a Right or Left issue sir. ::)
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Misunderstanding…maybe because of language translation…is not a personal choice issue, it’s just something that happens.
Norway has issued a correction that COVID is not like the flu, other than the expectation that it will be here forever and we need to make permanent plans about how to live with it.
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Misunderstanding…maybe because of language translation…is not a personal choice issue, it’s just something that happens.
Norway has issued a correction that COVID is not like the flu, other than the expectation that it will be here forever and we need to make permanent plans about how to live with it.
So technically they didn’t say it was “no more dangerous than the flu”. What they said was “we will use the same level of policy as we do with flu”. This IMPLIES they are of similar danger levels.
Sheesh. Plus translation issues. Yesterday I translated a letter I found amongst all my junk here (still looking for that damn Naked Pilot) that my father wrote in German in 1945. There was a sentence in German that used a word that could be translated as “spiritual”, “mental”, or “intellectual”. Those are vastly different meanings. And the context of the sentence did not tell me which he meant. Here was the sentence:
“…the life of a soldier and its demands have had a somewhat tragic effect on my (spiritual, mental, intellectual) development.”
He had studied German since the 5th grade (in the 1930s American public schools offered German and French that early? Wow! How we have declined.). Anyway so he was pretty fluent already by age 18 in 1939 and went to college for a couple more years getting even better but when we entered the war he enlisted in the army. He asked to be used as a spy because he was so fluent in German and wanted to infiltrate the country but the army sent him to North Africa as a baker. 😂
Anyway, I had to use the context of the entire letter to discern which of the three meanings he intended in that sentence. He meant “intellectual”, although I can see how all three domains could be affected by being a soldier in WW2.
So anyway I don’t trust fact checkers for shit. First, how do I know how they translated the Norwegian. Second, they’re all biased propagandists, not “fact” checkers at all.
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In the modern era, 'fact checker' really means, 'twist the truth to fit the agenda.
Fascist book (facebook) uses 'fact' checkers to totally misinform, then de-platforms those who tell the truth.
CNN uses fact checkers to restate their favorite communist's opinions.
The NYT uses fact checkers to pretend that their writers actually have had an original thought sometime in the last 50 years.
Fact Checking is almost never about checking facts.
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In the modern era, 'fact checker' really means, 'twist the truth to fit the agenda.
Fascist book (facebook) uses 'fact' checkers to totally misinform, then de-platforms those who tell the truth.
CNN uses fact checkers to restate their favorite communist's opinions.
The NYT uses fact checkers to pretend that their writers actually have had an original thought sometime in the last 50 years.
Fact Checking is almost never about checking facts.
It's a term Orwell didn't call out specifically, except it's a job title fitting for employees of the "Ministry of Truth."
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Not that I think anyone cares, but govt officials in Norway say they have been misquoted. The public health dept of Norway said this:
“Our position, as stated in the news article, is that at this point in the pandemic we must start approaching COVID-19 as one of several respiratory diseases circulating with seasonal variation. This means that the control measures that will be applicable for various respiratory diseases will require the same level of societal preparedness. This does not mean that illness from coronavirus and the seasonal flu are similar.”
It’s a subtle difference, but apparently close enough for the right to embrace the otherwise liberal Norway.
https://www.thip.media/health-news-fact-check/fact-check-have-norway-reclassified-covid-as-a-ordinary-flu/24886/
How is that any different from the original article? Or did you just reflexively think that we are just lemmings who follow something that fits our agenda, and not read the article?
From the original article:
“The Norwegian Institute of Public Health FHI has made the remarkable, but statistically supported, decision to classify Covid-19 as a respiratory disease that is as dangerous as the common flu. It is clarified that the pandemic is not over, but that it has entered a new phase where Covid-19 is now equated with a common respiratory disease, such as a flu or respiratory infection. This is done, among other things, due to the mutations that the Coronavirus has undergone, which makes it less dangerous, together with increased natural and vaccination-induced immunity that has been achieved in Norwegian society.”