PILOT SPIN

Pilot Zone => Pilot Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on November 03, 2021, 12:02:45 PM

Title: King Air stall
Post by: Lucifer on November 03, 2021, 12:02:45 PM
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Post by: Rush on November 03, 2021, 12:13:45 PM
Holy sh!t!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: King Air stall
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 03, 2021, 12:48:38 PM
I could be mistaken but it looked like the flaps were down. I presume speed was reduced to make it easier on the skydivers. So not too surprising that the left wing dropped with drag and downward moment arm on that side.
Title: Re: King Air stall
Post by: Lucifer on November 03, 2021, 01:11:35 PM

  A B717 (DC9) during flight test.

Title: Re: King Air stall
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on November 03, 2021, 05:31:58 PM
At least when you are SkyDiver you already have the parachute on. Looked like a spin to me. One full turn?
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Post by: Mr Pou on November 04, 2021, 05:01:06 AM
Looks to me like he broke the spin, then did another accelerated stall/spin. That was quite the ride...
Title: Re: King Air stall
Post by: Steingar on November 04, 2021, 08:27:57 AM
Don't think I've ever taken up that much altitude in a stall. Yikes!  Glad we're watching the video, and not reading about it in the NTSB.
Title: Re: King Air stall
Post by: Rush on November 04, 2021, 10:10:40 AM
Stole this from a POA post, the pilot says:

I anticipated the stall when I hit the elevator stop. As the wing came over, I moved the right engine power and prop levers back to the flight idle position, thereby neutralizing the engine effect from both engines, centralized the ailerons and applied full right rudder (rudder was already in quite deep in at this point). The aircraft behaved very well, and the recovery was surprisingly easy. I pulled out as gently as possible as I did not want to stress the airframe. There was some additional instability when I pulled out of the dive and pushed the throttles forward to power up, as the one engine spooled up much quicker than the other and caused another asymmetrical moment. The flaps may have inadvertently helped to keep the airspeed low. AIS showed 140kts when I pulled out.






One engine spooled up much more quickly. More quickly! It was a quicker engine. Grrrrrrr.

Title: Re: King Air stall
Post by: nddons on November 04, 2021, 10:37:43 AM
Question for the group:  Do you go to your A&P-IA or your personal MD to get the seat cushions surgically removed from your ass cheeks?  Asking for a friend.

I need to take an upset recovery course but it’s difficult to find one in the utility category for a big guy.
Title: Re: King Air stall
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on November 08, 2021, 08:09:49 PM
I need to take an upset recovery course but it’s difficult to find one in the utility category for a big guy.

Well worth it IMO. That was the first flight I did after my private checkride. I was never comfortable with the whole we will stall and avoid the spin but not spin training.
Title: Re: King Air stall
Post by: Jaybird180 on November 19, 2021, 09:15:37 AM
The spin was aggravated by aileron application. Students are taught not to try to lift the wing with the yoke. This pilot forgot that lesson as can be seen in the video.
Title: Re: King Air stall
Post by: Mr Pou on November 19, 2021, 09:19:32 AM
The spin was aggravated by aileron application. Students are taught not to try to lift the wing with the yoke. This pilot forgot that lesson as can be seen in the video.

He was also flying with asymmetric power, the port engine was throttled way back so as to not blow the skydivers off the plane prematurely. I'd wager with the asym power ailerons were required to keep it level.
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Post by: nddons on November 19, 2021, 07:00:18 PM
He was also flying with asymmetric power, the port engine was throttled way back so as to not blow the skydivers off the plane prematurely. I'd wager with the asym power ailerons were required to keep it level.
How do you know that?  Is asymmetrical power SOP for sky diving flights?  Not trying to be disagreeable, I just haven’t heard that before.
Title: Re: King Air stall
Post by: Rush on November 19, 2021, 08:06:52 PM
How do you know that?  Is asymmetrical power SOP for sky diving flights?  Not trying to be disagreeable, I just haven’t heard that before.

Apparently it is. I read that’s what was going on too.
Title: Re: King Air stall
Post by: Mr Pou on November 22, 2021, 07:12:51 AM
How do you know that?  Is asymmetrical power SOP for sky diving flights?  Not trying to be disagreeable, I just haven’t heard that before.

Somewhere on the net the pilot of the plane in question discussed the situation, and yes, pulling the power back on that side is SOP.
Title: Re: King Air stall
Post by: Mase on December 07, 2021, 07:06:44 PM
Somewhere on the net the pilot of the plane in question discussed the situation, and yes, pulling the power back on that side is SOP.

FOR HIM. In that Aircraft, that club.