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Pilot Zone => Accident Review/Never Again (I hope..) => Topic started by: PeterNSteinmetz on November 24, 2021, 09:30:13 AM

Title: Baron crash - Ocala, FL - 31 October 2019
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on November 24, 2021, 09:30:13 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpDxse3juv4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpDxse3juv4)

Older accident. Starts out with a barrage of bad radio calls and poor situational awareness even before the wheel leave the ground.  but the shadow of the plane just before impact is gut wrenching.

http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2019/10/beechcraft-58-baron-fatal-accident.html?m=1

https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket?ProjectID=100509
Title: Re: Baron crash - Ocala, FL - 31 October 2019
Post by: Rush on November 24, 2021, 10:26:04 AM
Bennies and pot in his system. Wow. That combined with what, an engine out in a twin?  What a mess.

Where is the NTSB final determination of the cause? I can't find it, what am I missing? Don't they usually have that at the end of the final report?
Title: Re: Baron crash - Ocala, FL - 31 October 2019
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on November 24, 2021, 10:31:57 AM
Valium at nearly therapeutic levels and some marijuana in system. I guess this goes to show that some people will use drugs and go kill themselves in an airplane unintentionally. Don’t know how often it happens. You would think simple self preservation would limit this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Baron crash - Ocala, FL - 31 October 2019
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on November 24, 2021, 10:32:29 AM
I am not sure that they have had the final hearing yet.
Title: Re: Baron crash - Ocala, FL - 31 October 2019
Post by: Rush on November 24, 2021, 11:42:10 AM
I am not sure that they have had the final hearing yet.

You mean the NTSB final report isn’t necessarily after the final hearing?  I confess I don’t know how it these things work.
Title: Re: Baron crash - Ocala, FL - 31 October 2019
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on November 24, 2021, 07:57:59 PM
I am not an expert either. But I think here needs to be a final hearing by the board before the final determination and report. I am not aware the hearing has occurred yet.
Title: Re: Baron crash - Ocala, FL - 31 October 2019
Post by: Rush on November 25, 2021, 04:47:26 AM
I am not an expert either. But I think here needs to be a final hearing by the board before the final determination and report. I am not aware the hearing has occurred yet.

In Kathryns report it says “Aviation Accident Final Report - National Transportation Safety Board” but I don’t see that in the NTSB link anywhere.
Title: Re: Baron crash - Ocala, FL - 31 October 2019
Post by: nddons on November 25, 2021, 09:29:42 AM
I am not an expert either. But I think here needs to be a final hearing by the board before the final determination and report. I am not aware the hearing has occurred yet.
I never heard of the requirement for a hearing, at least for GA aircraft. I can see it if there is a controversy (I.e. investigation showed an A&P fuck up) but with the volume of accidents, I can’t see a hearing for each of them.

Besides Vlado, the only person I knew personally who died in an aviation accident was a business acquaintance who took a CFII with him on a business trip to Denver. On the way back they were stopping for fuel in Missouri and clipped a tree on an instrument approach. Turned out both the pilot and the CFII had cold medicine in their systems.