Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 08:36:25 AM
Without getting into those specifics, if I realistically look forward to the 2024 GOP primaries, if Trump runs and DeSantis runs, there is zero doubt in my mind that Trump won’t just point out policy differences between the two men, he will seek to DESTROY DeSantis, on a personal and professional level.
The proof is there. Little Marco, Lyin’ Ted, Low Energy Jeb, etc.
Trump never cared about Reagan’s 11th Commandment, but that was OK with us back in 2016 and even 2020, because most of his attacks were against establishment Repubs, and we agreed with him.
But with respect to DeSantis (or for that matter any other young, energetic Republican who will run for the GOP nomination in 2024), I think that will be a bridge too far for me.
At BEST Trump can only get us to 2028. I’m retiring in 2026, and I can’t afford to start my retirement with a one-term Republican. And that presumes he can win. With everything that’s been hung around his neck since he lost (particularly lies about 1/6/21), he’s even more damaged goods than when he ran in 2020.
Trump will not get my primary vote if DeSantis is running in 2024.
Post by: jb1842 on January 19, 2022, 08:50:10 AM
Post by: Lucifer on January 19, 2022, 09:01:28 AM
They are in full panic mode now that their one party rule HR1 didn't make it through.
I'm old enough to remember all of the "anonymous sources" from 2016 thru 2020 that was feeding the leftist media hoax after hoax, which they in turn kept on 24/7 news cycles. All fake news designed in an attempt to diminish Trump.
So far the new psyops campaign is starting to gain traction among the low information types, however for those who don't get their daily diet of cable leftist and network propaganda, more people are viewing this for what it is.
Look for this nonsense to really ramp up heading into November. Then after November look for Big Tech to go on a censorship campaign like never before.
The communist are desperate, and can't hide it.
Post by: Lucifer on January 19, 2022, 09:03:38 AM
Post by: Rush on January 19, 2022, 09:07:03 AM
https://rumble.com/vsp256-donald-trump-clearly-plans-to-run-again-in-2024.html
Post by: Rush on January 19, 2022, 09:09:19 AM
This is nothing more than a psyops campaign from the democrat communist.
They are in full panic mode now that their one party rule HR1 didn't make it through.
I'm old enough to remember all of the "anonymous sources" from 2016 thru 2020 that was feeding the leftist media hoax after hoax, which they in turn kept on 24/7 news cycles. All fake news designed in an attempt to diminish Trump.
So far the new psyops campaign is starting to gain traction among the low information types, however for those who don't get their daily diet of cable leftist and network propaganda, more people are viewing this for what it is.
Look for this nonsense to really ramp up heading into November. Then after November look for Big Tech to go on a censorship campaign like never before.
The communist are desperate, and can't hide it.
You beat me to it! I haven’t even seen the Styx psyop video yet.
Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 09:17:18 AM
You are being played. DeSantis has already said he will step aside for Trump, according to Styx, and I have no reason to doubt he knows what he’s talking about.Understand that I didn’t address nor play into the current “controversy.” I admit it’s psyops.
https://rumble.com/vsp256-donald-trump-clearly-plans-to-run-again-in-2024.html
But I’m a fairly smart man who has observed Trump for the past 8 years. I think I have a pretty good sense of him and how he handles things.
COMPLETELY IGNORING WHAT THE MEDIA IS SAYING TODAY, I believe that I can accurately predict how Trump will react to a strong and well-liked competitor. I think he will try to destroy DeSantis.
Politics is about striking while the fire is hot. DeSantis is a hot commodity today. I don’t see him becoming a back bencher for 4 years while Trump has his way.
Post by: Lucifer on January 19, 2022, 09:24:14 AM
I could also see DeSantis joining Trump as VP in 2024, thus paving the way for Trump through 2028 and DeSantis thru 2036.
And we are still out over 18 months before this gets serious. LOTS can happen in 18 months.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 19, 2022, 09:30:21 AM
https://gab.com/lauraloomer/posts/107649319320034217
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 19, 2022, 09:32:26 AM
Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 09:44:28 AM
Why wouldn't DeSantis work a deal to be on the ticket with Trump, hope they get elected and then he runs after Trumps term. Could bring us a twelve year Republican run.Personally I don’t think Trump will win another general election. He would most likely win the primary.
He will be 78 years old upon inauguration. We’ve said that is too old for Biden, and I think it’s too old for anyone to be president. Reagan was “only” 73 when he started his 2nd term.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 19, 2022, 09:57:56 AM
Personally I don’t think Trump will win another general election. He would most likely win the primary.
He will be 78 years old upon inauguration. We’ve said that is too old for Biden, and I think it’s too old for anyone to be president. Reagan was “only” 73 when he started his 2nd term.
Depends on who Trump is running against.
I presume the 2024 Democratic nominee would probably be either Biden or Harris. Who are the likely suspects the Democratic establishment would push instead of one of them?
Another Trump vs Biden matchup could go Trump's way. Trump vs Harris IMHO could be a rout in favor of Trump.
Post by: Rush on January 19, 2022, 10:07:29 AM
https://rumble.com/vsscd7-another-anonymous-source-psyop-by-the-legacy-media-re-trump-and-desantis.html
Did I hear that right? He said he thinks Ann Coulter is really a liberal pretending to be a bimbo conservative for laughs and profit?
Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 10:16:06 AM
Did I hear that right? He said he thinks Ann Coulter is really a liberal pretending to be a bimbo conservative for laughs and profit?I used to like her and bought one or two of her books. Now I think she’s a clown. I haven’t seen her on Fox in years.
Post by: Lucifer on January 19, 2022, 10:39:17 AM
Did I hear that right? He said he thinks Ann Coulter is really a liberal pretending to be a bimbo conservative for laughs and profit?
Ann Coulter is a con. And yes, he's correct.
Post by: Rush on January 19, 2022, 10:58:56 AM
Ann Coulter is a con. And yes, he's correct.
Well, she has turned against Trump which means she is not populist which means basically, on the wrong side. Maybe not liberal but rather statist, or just out for herself, or something.
Post by: elwood blues on January 19, 2022, 12:35:57 PM
Trump will not get my primary vote if DeSantis is running in 2024.
Trump needs to quietly go away at this point. I think he will do more harm than good going into 2024.
You both fell for the swamp's lies?
My vote will be based on history and performance. I'm old enough to remember all the way back to 2020 when prices where low, goods were plentiful, the nation was fully employed and respected around the world.
Post by: Number7 on January 19, 2022, 12:39:48 PM
This is nothing more than a psyops campaign from the democrat communist.
They are in full panic mode now that their one party rule HR1 didn't make it through.
I'm old enough to remember all of the "anonymous sources" from 2016 thru 2020 that was feeding the leftist media hoax after hoax, which they in turn kept on 24/7 news cycles. All fake news designed in an attempt to diminish Trump.
So far the new psyops campaign is starting to gain traction among the low information types, however for those who don't get their daily diet of cable leftist and network propaganda, more people are viewing this for what it is.
Look for this nonsense to really ramp up heading into November. Then after November look for Big Tech to go on a censorship campaign like never before.
The communist are desperate, and can't hide it.
I have read that mcconnell is behind the 'rumors' of a Trump - DeSantis rift.
With how deliverately dishonorable mcconnell can be, I have no doubt that this could be a figment of his deranged establishment mind.
Post by: Number7 on January 19, 2022, 12:42:06 PM
As it currently stands, apparently both men can’t be on the same presidential ticket. I suppose either DeSantis or Trump could move out of Florida.President trump is like Dick Cheney. He has lots of residences he can designate as his primary.
https://gab.com/lauraloomer/posts/107649319320034217
The fucking retards of the left sued Cheney about that when he changed his primary residence from Texas to Wyoming and lost.
Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 12:58:47 PM
Don’t be a douche. Did you not read our posts? I didn’t post anything as a result of the swamp’s lies. Neither did Josh. I posted about how I project 2024 is going to unfold. Do you think you are the only free thinker on this board?
You both fell for the swamp's lies?
My vote will be based on history and performance. I'm old enough to remember all the way back to 2020 when prices where low, goods were plentiful, the nation was fully employed and respected around the world.
Post by: jb1842 on January 19, 2022, 01:05:37 PM
You both fell for the swamp's lies?
My vote will be based on history and performance. I'm old enough to remember all the way back to 2020 when prices where low, goods were plentiful, the nation was fully employed and respected around the world.
No. I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. But there was no way in hell I was going to vote for Hillary or Biden, either.
Post by: elwood blues on January 19, 2022, 01:29:12 PM
Don’t be a douche.
No douche here.
Did you not read our posts?
Sure did.
I didn’t post anything as a result of the swamp’s lies.
Yes you did.
Neither did Josh.
Pretty sure Josh prefers to speak for himself.
I posted about how I project 2024 is going to unfold.
I think you underestimate how much support Trump has.
Do you think you are the only free thinker on this board?
Zing! You got me there!
Post by: elwood blues on January 19, 2022, 01:30:20 PM
No. I didn't vote for Trump in the primaries.
Me either. I was a Cruz guy. Thank God he lost and Trump won.
Post by: Rush on January 19, 2022, 01:58:09 PM
Me either. I was a Cruz guy. Thank God he lost and Trump won.
Yes! I voted for Rubio in the primary for Gods sake. In Nov held my nose and voted for Trump because voting for Hillary would have been plunging into the sewage. Then I printed out a copy of Trump’s contract with the American voter and watched him keep promise after promise.
Post by: Rush on January 19, 2022, 02:15:20 PM
Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 02:23:14 PM
I admit if Trump and DeSantis both run in the primary I will have a hard time deciding. I confess to ageism. We saw what happened to Reagan. There is a lot I like about DeSantis but Trump has an absolutely proven track record. I think either one of them will beat Biden, Harris, or Hillary (there are noises she might resurrect herself.) It will be hard for the Dems to win at all assuming they can’t cheat again, or some miraculous economic recovery, unless they come up with an extremely charismatic new candidate out of thin air, kind of like they did with Obama, and can brainwash enough independents into believing in another messiah. But I think they played their race card out. They’ll probably try to run some tranny now. That way they can install the first female and the first LBGTBQRTSYXZ president at the same time, because in their wacko delusions, they actually think that’s what a majority of Americans care about.Maybe the Dems will run that Levine dude.
Post by: jb1842 on January 19, 2022, 02:24:04 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 19, 2022, 02:25:02 PM
Our country can't survive another Trump presidency. Not because Trump would destroy it. It will be all the attacks from the left that will.
what will stop the left's attacks on our country?
Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 02:26:02 PM
No douche here.What did I say that was a result of swamp lies?
Sure did.
Yes you did.
Pretty sure Josh prefers to speak for himself.
I think you underestimate how much support Trump has.
Zing! You got me there!
Post by: jb1842 on January 19, 2022, 02:30:20 PM
what will stop the left's attacks on our country?
Control of the media is the biggest thing. I'm starting to get encouraged on how parents aren't sitting back in regards to public education indoctrination anymore. That's a start.
Post by: texasag93 on January 19, 2022, 03:02:51 PM
I admit if Trump and DeSantis both run in the primary I will have a hard time deciding. I confess to ageism. We saw what happened to Reagan. There is a lot I like about DeSantis but Trump has an absolutely proven track record. I think either one of them will beat Biden, Harris, or Hillary (there are noises she might resurrect herself.) It will be hard for the Dems to win at all assuming they can’t cheat again, or some miraculous economic recovery, unless they come up with an extremely charismatic new candidate out of thin air, kind of like they did with Obama, and can brainwash enough independents into believing in another messiah. But I think they played their race card out. They’ll probably try to run some tranny now. That way they can install the first female and the first LBGTBQRTSYXZ president at the same time, because in their wacko delusions, they actually think that’s what a majority of Americans care about.
Rush, do you want Big Mike to run?
Post by: Rush on January 19, 2022, 03:10:34 PM
Our country can't survive another Trump presidency. Not because Trump would destroy it. It will be all the attacks from the left that will.
We cannot not vote for Trump out of fear of the left. The left is on the defensive right now. The last thing we should do is back down from Trump’s populism. His populism is the very reason the left attacks so hard, because it is what threatens them. Trump was eroding their power. The last thing we should do now is prevent him from continuing.
Trump or someone just like him is needed to save the country. The left wants you to back down, that is the whole point of their attacks. To not follow Trump’s lead now is to give up and let them win.
Post by: Rush on January 19, 2022, 03:15:14 PM
Rush, do you want Big Mike to run?
Michelle Obama? Like that would be the first black female maybe shemale according to some president? Do I want that? No. Unless maybe for the entertainment value of seeing Trump destroy her in a debate.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 19, 2022, 03:21:55 PM
Post by: texasag93 on January 19, 2022, 03:23:18 PM
Michelle Obama? Like that would be the first black female maybe shemale according to some president? Do I want that? No. Unless maybe for the entertainment value of seeing Trump destroy her in a debate.
I shouldn't have said 'want', but you are correct stating Trump would destroy her in a fair debate.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 19, 2022, 03:35:56 PM
I shouldn't have said 'want', but you are correct stating Trump would destroy her in a fair debate.
"fair debate"... then we'll never know.
Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
Our country can't survive another Trump presidency. Not because Trump would destroy it. It will be all the attacks from the left that will.I agree with that. What we are suffering through today is precisely because the left became so unhinged from reality over the last 6 years.
Post by: jb1842 on January 19, 2022, 03:40:02 PM
We cannot not vote for Trump out of fear of the left. The left is on the defensive right now. The last thing we should do is back down from Trump’s populism. His populism is the very reason the left attacks so hard, because it is what threatens them. Trump was eroding their power. The last thing we should do now is prevent him from continuing.
Trump or someone just like him is needed to save the country. The left wants you to back down, that is the whole point of their attacks. To not follow Trump’s lead now is to give up and let them win.
If our future depends on one person, we are already doomed.
Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 03:54:49 PM
We cannot not vote for Trump out of fear of the left. The left is on the defensive right now. The last thing we should do is back down from Trump’s populism. His populism is the very reason the left attacks so hard, because it is what threatens them. Trump was eroding their power. The last thing we should do now is prevent him from continuing.Trump is not Merlin the Magician. Trump’s power comes from people like us. I campaigned for him in Wisconsin.
Trump or someone just like him is needed to save the country. The left wants you to back down, that is the whole point of their attacks. To not follow Trump’s lead now is to give up and let them win.
But he is also self-destructive. You can’t tell me you don’t hold your breath sometimes hoping he doesn’t say or do something that would damage him or our cause.
His biggest weakness is his thin skin. We all loved that he was a fighter and had some massive balls. But he is incapable of letting some unimportant things roll off his back. That’s bad. He latched on like a bulldog and won’t let go. In many cases, he should have stepped back and let the Dems self-immolate, but instead he brought the focus back on himself, and the democrats snatched victory from the jaws of defeat because of it.
I hope he has some self-awareness about 2024, and considers that his highest and best use would be as a kingmaker. That would keep the Trump
Movement intact, and bring politicians into the Trump Movement in order to get his endorsement. It would also increase the devide between Trump-type candidates, and the establishment types. Can you imagine if he took his fundraising ability to run Trump candidates against every GOP incumbent establishment politician?
I’ve been to a Trump rally. I participated in that movement. Now I want the movement to be leveraged, so it’s not just about one man, but an entire team of like-minded politicians.
Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 03:56:12 PM
If our future depends on one person, we are already doomed.I literally just finished my last paragraph and hit Reply, and saw this sentence. We are on the same page.
Post by: Lucifer on January 19, 2022, 04:21:34 PM
Trust him. :o
Post by: Rush on January 19, 2022, 04:22:53 PM
If our future depends on one person, we are already doomed.
You are missing what is happening at the grassroots level. It’s not one person, but Trump was the spark that ignited it. He doesn’t have to continue as president but someone who isn’t bought by the global elite and is on the forgotten man’s side is needed. If not Trump then someone like him. Establishment Republicans have FAILED. The fascist left have been worming their way into our institutions without opposition for too long, they’ve already taken over our educational systems and our mainstream media. Liberal Democrats not only failed to stop fascism, they have become it, while conservative Republicans stood by and allowed it. Meanwhile we, too, stupidly allowed it.
It took Trump to wake us up. People are now taking back control of local politics. They are paying attention to election integrity. They are attending school board meetings. They are starting up alternative media sites. Trump, and all the left’s attacks and subsequent drama led to this, otherwise we would have continued sleeping until it was too late. It might already be too late. But because of Trump, there are now millions fighting back.
Post by: bflynn on January 19, 2022, 04:34:16 PM
If DeSantis wants to run, he should run. If it happened right now, he would be the only other contender and it would be a good campaign.
If he doesn't want to run, that's his call.
I call that "freedom", so of course you can see why the Leftists are so confused on how to handle this.
Post by: jb1842 on January 19, 2022, 04:38:20 PM
You are missing what is happening at the grassroots level. It’s not one person, but Trump was the spark that ignited it. He doesn’t have to continue as president but someone who isn’t bought by the global elite and is on the forgotten man’s side is needed. If not Trump then someone like him. Establishment Republicans have FAILED. The fascist left have been worming their way into our institutions without opposition for too long, they’ve already taken over our educational systems and our mainstream media. Liberal Democrats not only failed to stop fascism, they have become it, while conservative Republicans stood by and allowed it. Meanwhile we, too, stupidly allowed it.
It took Trump to wake us up. People are now taking back control of local politics. They are paying attention to election integrity. They are attending school board meetings. They are starting up alternative media sites. Trump, and all the left’s attacks and subsequent drama led to this, otherwise we would have continued sleeping until it was too late. It might already be too late. But because of Trump, there are now millions fighting back.
The grassroots aren't moving on from Trump. That's the problem. We do need someone new not affiliated with the Establishment Republicans. But it ain't Trump. I would have loved to see Trump get a 2nd term, but now is not the time to dwell in the past.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 19, 2022, 04:55:31 PM
BTW, did y'all see the crowd Trump pulled in AZ last weekend?
Yeah, great, but it's not 80 million...
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/EhfU4ZiX0AAUJ_u.jpg)
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 19, 2022, 05:01:07 PM
I think it's a non-issue.
If DeSantis wants to run, he should run. If it happened right now, he would be the only other contender and it would be a good campaign.
If he doesn't want to run, that's his call.
I call that "freedom", so of course you can see why the Leftists are so confused on how to handle this.
<Checks calendar>
Also a case of speculating one national election and a couple years premature. If the Republicans take one or both houses of congress that may actually aid Biden. If things "normalize" into a stalemate or Biden even goes politically centric, voters may engage their short term memories and give him the benefit of the doubt. I realize some may scoff at that possibility, but he did get reelected for decades despite being caught lying repeatedly during those decades.
Post by: Number7 on January 19, 2022, 05:22:36 PM
Post by: Rush on January 19, 2022, 06:47:29 PM
The grassroots aren't moving on from Trump. That's the problem. We do need someone new not affiliated with the Establishment Republicans. But it ain't Trump. I would have loved to see Trump get a 2nd term, but now is not the time to dwell in the past.
I do want someone younger to take the baton. I’d rather Trump be a kingmaker, if for no other reason because his age is getting risky, but if there isn’t anyone who is a true populist, has the courage to drain the swamp, not join it, then I don’t think settling for a status quo politician will do anything but set us right back on the course to doom, the same path we were on with Clinton, Bush, Obama, and would have been with Hillary. Trump has his own money and can’t be bought. I am not sure DeSantis or anyone else wouldn’t join the DC club once they get in the WH.
Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 06:51:17 PM
You are missing what is happening at the grassroots level. It’s not one person, but Trump was the spark that ignited it. He doesn’t have to continue as president but someone who isn’t bought by the global elite and is on the forgotten man’s side is needed. If not Trump then someone like him. Establishment Republicans have FAILED. The fascist left have been worming their way into our institutions without opposition for too long, they’ve already taken over our educational systems and our mainstream media. Liberal Democrats not only failed to stop fascism, they have become it, while conservative Republicans stood by and allowed it. Meanwhile we, too, stupidly allowed it.I agree with 100% of this, except for the first sentence.
It took Trump to wake us up. People are now taking back control of local politics. They are paying attention to election integrity. They are attending school board meetings. They are starting up alternative media sites. Trump, and all the left’s attacks and subsequent drama led to this, otherwise we would have continued sleeping until it was too late. It might already be too late. But because of Trump, there are now millions fighting back.
I don’t think we are missing what’s happening at the grassroots level at all. But speaking for me, we need more than that. We need this movement to drive the right people into positions of power.
We can have weekly 20,000 person Trump rallies between now and 2024, but unless they converts into wins by Trump candidates at the state and local level, it will all be meaningless.
I went to two Tea Party rallies in Wisconsin, and one in DC. I campaigned for Ron Johnson who ran as a Tea Party candidate. Sadly, never more than approx. 10% of the Republican politicians we sent to DC identified as Members of the Tea Party Caucus. It is now a shell of what we hoped it would be.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus
So I’m a veteran of failed grass roots movements. I want the Trump Movement to succeed. If Trump leverages his influence, and advances “Trump” candidates to election wins and positions of power, I think it will succeed. If Trump takes the mantle himself, runs, and loses, I think it will go the way of the Tea Party.
Post by: Rush on January 19, 2022, 06:56:02 PM
I agree with 100% of this, except for the first sentence.
I don’t think we are missing what’s happening at the grassroots level at all. But speaking for me, we need more than that. We need this movement to drive the right people into positions of power.
We can have weekly 20,000 person Trump rallies between now and 2024, but unless they converts into wins by Trump candidates at the state and local level, it will all be meaningless.
I went to two Tea Party rallies in Wisconsin, and one in DC. I campaigned for Ron Johnson who ran as a Tea Party candidate. Sadly, never more than approx. 10% of the Republican politicians we sent to DC identified as Members of the Tea Party Caucus. It is now a shell of what we hoped it would be.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus
So I’m a veteran of failed grass roots movements. I want the Trump Movement to succeed. If Trump leverages his influence, and advances “Trump” candidates to election wins and positions of power, I think it will succeed. If Trump takes the mantle himself, runs, and loses, I think it will go the way of the Tea Party.
That’s actually a good point. The thing is, why do you think someone he leverages would be more likely to win than he himself? Talking about the WH not other positions, I agree it would be great if he assists “Trump-like” candidates to other positions.
Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 07:13:36 PM
That’s actually a good point. The thing is, why do you think someone he leverages would be more likely to win than he himself? Talking about the WH not other positions, I agree it would be great if he assists “Trump-like” candidates to other positions.I addressed that in posts above, but probably not very articulately. So here are some of my reasons:
1. Trump gives us only 4 years. Conservatives deserve someone who can give us 8 years.
2. His age. If it’s too old for Biden, it’s too old for Trump. He will turn 80 in his final term. That’s too old to be the leader of the free world.
3. Trump taking the mantle delays other good, YOUNG conservatives from assuming high office. That’s not healthy for the movement.
4. He is more damaged than he was in November 2020. The long knives will be out even more, and I don’t want to see that.
5. He is his own worst enemy.
6. People are moving to the GOP in a significant way right now. However that doesn’t equate to those people moving towards Trump. That is not an endorsement of the establishment; it is an acknowledgment that you still have to win the middle to win the presidency.
Post by: Lucifer on January 19, 2022, 07:18:46 PM
Post by: Lucifer on January 19, 2022, 10:36:45 PM
Why? Well, let’s see. Biden has cratered, his administration is in shambles. Need a new distraction since the Covid narrative is crumbling. And hey, a war time President is popular, right?
Get ready for this clusterfuck. If you like how FJB handled Afghanistan, just wait till you see what he does with the Ukraine.
Post by: nddons on January 19, 2022, 10:52:56 PM
And while we are focusing on who will run in 2024, the Biden Administration is setting us up for a war in the Ukraine.Remember Bill Clinton being pissed off that 9/11 didn’t happen on HIS watch? Honest to God, these people are evil.
Why? Well, let’s see. Biden has cratered, his administration is in shambles. Need a new distraction since the Covid narrative is crumbling. And hey, a war time President is popular, right?
Get ready for this clusterfuck. If you like how FJB handled Afghanistan, just wait till you see what he does with the Ukraine.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 19, 2022, 11:06:04 PM
And while we are focusing on who will run in 2024, the Biden Administration is setting us up for a war in the Ukraine.
Why? Well, let’s see. Biden has cratered, his administration is in shambles. Need a new distraction since the Covid narrative is crumbling. And hey, a war time President is popular, right?
Get ready for this clusterfuck. If you like how FJB handled Afghanistan, just wait till you see what he does with the Ukraine.
There were a lot of questions about Ukraine at Biden's press conference. Biden admitted that while Russia would win against the Ukraine military if they invaded, he said they would lose in the long run. Unspecified non-military threats and such.
(I would not have watched it except I was getting bored reading Chapter 7, Section II in the FAA Instrument Flying Handbook and went to check news. Saw mention of it and found a recording of it on Youtube. Watched at 2.0 speed - at which point Biden comes across as sharp. It was agonizing watching at normal speed.)
Post by: Username on January 20, 2022, 07:40:40 AM
Get ready for this clusterfuck. If you like how FJB handled Afghanistan, just wait till you see what he does with the Ukraine.Vizzini: "You've fallen for one of the two classic blunders! The first being never get involved in a land war in Asia... "
Post by: jb1842 on January 20, 2022, 07:52:08 AM
There were a lot of questions about Ukraine at Biden's press conference. Biden admitted that while Russia would win against the Ukraine military if they invaded, he said they would lose in the long run. Unspecified non-military threats and such.
(I would not have watched it except I was getting bored reading Chapter 7, Section II in the FAA Instrument Flying Handbook and went to check news. Saw mention of it and found a recording of it on Youtube. Watched at 2.0 speed - at which point Biden comes across as sharp. It was agonizing watching at normal speed.)
We would lose. Sorry, but we don't have the leaders who have the balls to order what it would take to win a war against Russia if it came to it. We refused to win against 3rd world terrorists using relatively unsophisticated technology. We go against a determined and trained enemy with tanks, fighters, bombers, ships, nuclear weapons, etc., we will not be willing to sacrifice the lives to win that war. And we shouldn't, unless we are willing to completely destroy Russia's military capability so that they can never do it again. That will never happen.
Post by: Lucifer on January 20, 2022, 08:01:10 AM
Then it would be prolonged for years as the MIC washes billions through it.
It would also provide cover for the inept Biden Administration, and bring them back into favor with the various defense companies. Liz Cheney would find herself a nice cushy board position like her daddy had. Other Neocons like Crenshaw would follow suit.
Oh, and we will sacrifice our youth to make this possible.
Post by: Anthony on January 20, 2022, 08:20:13 AM
We would lose. Sorry, but we don't have the leaders who have the balls to order what it would take to win a war against Russia if it came to it. We refused to win against 3rd world terrorists using relatively unsophisticated technology. We go against a determined and trained enemy with tanks, fighters, bombers, ships, nuclear weapons, etc., we will not be willing to sacrifice the lives to win that war. And we shouldn't, unless we are willing to completely destroy Russia's military capability so that they can never do it again. That will never happen.
The political leadership of our country's military, this Administration, INCLUDNG the Generals, Admirals etc, have all embraced the WOKE, PC, Far Left path. They do this purely for their careers which is much more important than the mission or mission capability and effectiveness. We have sacrificed that for PC, Commie bullshit. Russia and China don't do that.
Post by: Username on January 20, 2022, 08:21:55 AM
We would lose. Sorry, but we don't have the leaders who have the balls to order what it would take to win a war against Russia if it came to it. We refused to win against 3rd world terrorists using relatively unsophisticated technology. We go against a determined and trained enemy with tanks, fighters, bombers, ships, nuclear weapons, etc., we will not be willing to sacrifice the lives to win that war. And we shouldn't, unless we are willing to completely destroy Russia's military capability so that they can never do it again. That will never happen.Exactly. They need a proxy war. We support one side, they support another side. No direct conflict. A direct conflict between us and Russia would be a disaster given our current leadership. And if a miracle happens and we start winning I would expect China to go invade Taiwan as a distraction. If we start winning there too, I have no doubt that Russia and/or China would go nuclear.
Post by: Rush on January 20, 2022, 08:29:50 AM
Exactly. They need a proxy war. We support one side, they support another side. No direct conflict. A direct conflict between us and Russia would be a disaster given our current leadership. And if a miracle happens and we start winning I would expect China to go invade Taiwan as a distraction. If we start winning there too, I have no doubt that Russia and/or China would go nuclear.
Correct. Hopefully neither Russia nor China really wants direct war between the super powers. Proxy war on the other hand, enriches all the elites at the expense of the citizens and soldiers everywhere.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 20, 2022, 08:43:21 AM
Post by: nddons on January 20, 2022, 09:25:43 AM
There were a lot of questions about Ukraine at Biden's press conference. Biden admitted that while Russia would win against the Ukraine military if they invaded, he said they would lose in the long run. Unspecified non-military threats and such.Good luck with the IA!
(I would not have watched it except I was getting bored reading Chapter 7, Section II in the FAA Instrument Flying Handbook and went to check news. Saw mention of it and found a recording of it on Youtube. Watched at 2.0 speed - at which point Biden comes across as sharp. It was agonizing watching at normal speed.)
Post by: Rush on January 20, 2022, 09:30:42 AM
I've read that Ted Cruz stopped the Voter Law the other night at 3:00 am. Schumer attempted to get it passed by unanimous consent. Ted Cruz was there to object and that stopped it.
That’s too close for comfort.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 20, 2022, 09:58:12 AM
Ukraine would become the new Afghanistan. Multiple defense contracts, billions being poured into a build up, new equipment being moved there, etc, etc.
Then it would be prolonged for years as the MIC washes billions through it.
It would also provide cover for the inept Biden Administration, and bring them back into favor with the various defense companies. Liz Cheney would find herself a nice cushy board position like her daddy had. Other Neocons like Crenshaw would follow suit.
Oh, and we will sacrifice our youth to make this possible.
If I could trust Biden I'd say, based on his press conference comments, the war would be contained to the Ukraine and no NATO or other western military clash with Russia.
Since Biden lies so often it doesn't look good. :(
Post by: Lucifer on January 20, 2022, 10:15:52 AM
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It’s not an accident that corporate media are trying to pit former President Donald Trump and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis against each other. Among Republicans, the former president and current governor of Florida are popular for their policies and willingness to fight the media. That means they’re a threat to the establishment.
But as clever as the media figures running the operation apparently thought they were, neither of the top Republicans took the bait, understanding that it only serves their political opponents’ interest to have them squabbling.
Still, it was interesting to see it go down. When Trump made an off-hand remark about politicians who wouldn’t say whether they got the booster being “gutless,” the media alleged, without substantiation, that he was going to war against DeSantis.
Then, in a fun and rowdy interview on the Ruthless Podcast, DeSantis was asked an extremely loaded question.
“One thing I have to bring up in terms of national politics … [C]urrently you’re leading pretty much every poll for the Republican nomination for president. I’m just very interested in hearing your thoughts on that,” one of the hosts asked the governor.
That’s not just not true, it’s wildly untrue. For example, here’s one poll from last month that showed Trump absolutely dominating a poll of Republican voters.
Post by: bflynn on January 20, 2022, 11:10:59 AM
That’s too close for comfort.
That is f’ing stupid. Trying to get agreement by resorting to cheap tricks is worse than wrong.
If he wants to pull this crap, he needs to quietly bring in about 48 senators in the middle of the night and introduce and vote on changing the senate rules to remove the filibuster. Unless Republican catch them and get 25 senators to respond and get in the chambers before the vote, they pass it with a 2/3 majority.
But there is probably a huge danger to them abusing the system that way. That might be enough to make some people snap.
Post by: Rush on January 20, 2022, 11:24:17 AM
https://thefederalist.com/2022/01/20/why-the-medias-attempt-to-split-desantis-and-trump-isnt-working/
Apparently it’s not just the left and the media that want to divide Trump and DeSantis:
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It’s fair to say that as successful as Trump was in transforming some of the party’s policies and approaches, the Republican establishment views his presidency as a mere interruption of their control of the party. They don’t particularly like his focus on working-class concerns and away from interventionist foreign policy.
They didn’t disappear, and they are lying in wait to resume the place at the table they believe they’re entitled to. To that end, the continued success of conservative populism is viewed as a threat. They know voters love Trump and DeSantis, so they are hoping to divide one or both men from the Republican electorate.
THIS is why I’m hesitant to support anyone other than Trump in 2024. Yes, he is getting too old and yes he has baggage. But if we go with anyone else, we need to be damn sure they are on board with Trumpism and not just being a Trojan horse for establishment Republicans.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 20, 2022, 03:44:40 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 20, 2022, 03:54:51 PM
Good luck with the IA!
Thanks. Some days I'm hot on the idea, some days I'm not. Currently lukewarm.
Post by: nddons on January 20, 2022, 03:54:59 PM
Am I to understand that either party can just call a sneak session and only tell people about it who will show up and pass whatever they’re trying to pass? Doesn’t sound very Founding Fatherish.My understanding the President of the Senate (rotates among senators) can keep a session open. That’s when you see all the senators standing in the well of the Senate giving speeches when no one else is there. I wonder if the session after last night’s debate was never gaveled closed.
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 20, 2022, 04:05:10 PM
Am I to understand that either party can just call a sneak session and only tell people about it who will show up and pass whatever they’re trying to pass? Doesn’t sound very Founding Fatherish.
Sounds like it - but on checking the news I think the event in question happened last August, because that is all I can find on the story, as for example:
https://news.yahoo.com/ted-cruz-blocks-4-m-113838803.html (https://news.yahoo.com/ted-cruz-blocks-4-m-113838803.html)
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/ted-cruz-voting-chuck-schumer (https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/ted-cruz-voting-chuck-schumer)
https://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-blocked-schumer-effort-to-consider-voting-bills-before-recess-2021-8?op=1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-blocked-schumer-effort-to-consider-voting-bills-before-recess-2021-8?op=1)
Post by: nddons on January 20, 2022, 04:29:34 PM
Thanks. Some days I'm hot on the idea, some days I'm not. Currently lukewarm.I would be in the camp that it’s worth it. I haven’t been instrument current in 8 year, but I’m a better overall pilot for having earned the instrument rating.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 20, 2022, 04:53:10 PM
Am I to understand that either party can just call a sneak session and only tell people about it who will show up and pass whatever they’re trying to pass? Doesn’t sound very Founding Fatherish.Unanimous Consent means voice vote, no roll call.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 20, 2022, 04:54:22 PM
Sounds like it - but on checking the news I think the event in question happened last August, because that is all I can find on the story, as for example:Thanks Jim.
https://news.yahoo.com/ted-cruz-blocks-4-m-113838803.html (https://news.yahoo.com/ted-cruz-blocks-4-m-113838803.html)
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/ted-cruz-voting-chuck-schumer (https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/ted-cruz-voting-chuck-schumer)
https://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-blocked-schumer-effort-to-consider-voting-bills-before-recess-2021-8?op=1 (https://www.businessinsider.com/ted-cruz-blocked-schumer-effort-to-consider-voting-bills-before-recess-2021-8?op=1)
Post by: Rush on January 20, 2022, 06:11:42 PM
Thanks. Some days I'm hot on the idea, some days I'm not. Currently lukewarm.
Oh that IA! I didn’t know what y’all were talking about and skimmed over it thinking “something going on in Iowa?” Lol, I forget this is an aviation board.
Post by: nddons on January 20, 2022, 06:23:34 PM
Oh that IA! I didn’t know what y’all were talking about and skimmed over it thinking “something going on in Iowa?” Lol, I forget this is an aviation board.Lol. Kind of when my voice cracks when I’m giving a presentation. I say “Sorry, delayed attack of puberty.”
In this case, it’s a delayed attack of aviation.
Post by: Rush on January 20, 2022, 07:17:51 PM
Lol. Kind of when my voice cracks when I’m giving a presentation. I say “Sorry, delayed attack of puberty.”
In this case, it’s a delayed attack of aviation.
Yes, also I typically talk about getting the “instrument rating” although I know Instrument Airplane is the correct term. Also my job has me looking at state abbreviations all day. In fact today it was IA in thousands of data cells.
Post by: Little Joe on January 21, 2022, 05:00:40 AM
Yes, also I typically talk about getting the “instrument rating” although I know Instrument Airplane is the correct term. Also my job has me looking at state abbreviations all day. In fact today it was IA in thousands of data cells.I still have to stop and look at context every time someone refers to Georgia (GA) while talking about an aviation subject.
Post by: Rush on January 21, 2022, 05:22:06 AM
I still have to stop and look at context every time someone refers to Georgia (GA) while talking about an aviation subject.
A pet peeve of mine is overuse of acronyms. Research papers are terrible about this. Full of alphabet soups and I keep having to go sift through previous pages to remember what they’re talking about.
Post by: Lucifer on January 21, 2022, 05:52:58 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on January 21, 2022, 06:11:55 AM
A pet peeve of mine is overuse of acronyms. Research papers are terrible about this. Full of alphabet soups and I keep having to go sift through previous pages to remember what they’re talking about.
TL;DR
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 21, 2022, 06:55:40 AM
DeSantis hits it out of the park, right Michael? ;D
Post by: Little Joe on January 21, 2022, 07:17:53 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1484503546636742657 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1484503546636742657)Love my Governor!
DeSantis hits it out of the park, right Michael? ;D
One of the comments said Fauci is a hero and we should all be on our knees thanking him. If I had a Twitter account I would have reminded him that that is where they want you: On your knees paying homage.
Post by: nddons on January 21, 2022, 07:43:30 AM
Love my Governor!Soon the CDC will be issuing Covid-compliant kneepads, but they won’t be used for paying homage.
One of the comments said Fauci is a hero and we should all be on our knees thanking him. If I had a Twitter account I would have reminded him that that is where they want you: On your knees paying homage.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on January 21, 2022, 08:02:17 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1484503546636742657 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1484503546636742657)
DeSantis hits it out of the park, right Michael? ;D
I have a serious case of Governor envy.
Washington Republicans still are trying to wrest Inslee’s emergency powers from his clenched, politically aspiring hands. After TWO FUCKING YEARS.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 22, 2022, 07:50:46 AM
As seen on CNN!!
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 22, 2022, 09:19:07 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1484565211180847107
As seen on CNN!!
Those dummies just sat there and let him speak the truth. I'm shocked, but not surprised.
Post by: nddons on January 22, 2022, 10:19:59 AM
Those dummies just sat there and let him speak the truth. I'm shocked, but not surprised.I think they are trying to get ahead of this so they aren’t whipsawed when Biden gets Americans killed in Kosovo, or he shits his pants in public.
I have no doubt they (the MSM and especially CNN) will whole heartedly support whoever the Dems put
Up in 2024.
Post by: Anthony on March 09, 2022, 02:08:40 AM
I think they are trying to get ahead of this so they aren’t whipsawed when Biden gets Americans killed in Kosovo, or he shits his pants in public.
I have no doubt they (the MSM and especially CNN) will whole heartedly support whoever the Dems put
Up in 2024.
The MSM which is 95% of the MEDIA is just pure propaganda controlled by whomever is running the Democrats. Big Tech, the MEDIA itself, which are large, multi dimensional corporations like Comcast, Time Warner, etc. Plus foreign interests that buy their stuff, and have more money than God to payoff both parties. It's all about the Elites getting richer and further consolidating power.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 30, 2023, 07:36:35 PM
Post by: Rush on January 30, 2023, 07:55:53 PM
I still haven’t heard a peep from DeSantis about running. He’d be crazy to. He’s better off waiting til 2028.
Post by: bflynn on January 31, 2023, 02:35:11 AM
Why does Trump feel a necessity to slam DeSantis so much?
Attacking and defamation is his MO. Or was that a rhetorical question?
Post by: Little Joe on January 31, 2023, 04:45:48 AM
Why does Trump feel a necessity to slam DeSantis so much?That's just what he does. It's
Post by: Lucifer on January 31, 2023, 05:27:25 AM
That's just what he does. It'swhyone of the reasons so many people hate him and why he has no chance in 2024.
Actually no one running as a conservative or Republican has a chance in 2024.
Enter Gavin Newsome.
Post by: nddons on January 31, 2023, 06:44:59 AM
What’s he done now?Politics is about timing. When you are being talked about as the top conservative candidate behind a very flawed candidate who has no chance of winning a general, you grab the ring.
I still haven’t heard a peep from DeSantis about running. He’d be crazy to. He’s better off waiting til 2028.
Post by: Rush on January 31, 2023, 08:33:48 AM
Politics is about timing. When you are being talked about as the top conservative candidate behind a very flawed candidate who has no chance of winning a general, you grab the ring.
The only reason Trump has no chance of winning the general is Dem cheating.
Post by: Lucifer on January 31, 2023, 09:04:36 AM
The only reason Trump has no chance of winning the general is Dem cheating.
Bingo.
When people finally wake up and realize that PA, MI, WI, AZ and GA elections are controlled (and rigged) by the communist democrats, this gives them the electoral advantage they always desired. Combine those states with the blue shitholes, and the communist win every time.
Meanwhile, the RNC is focusing on “voter issues” from a FL410 perspective, and totally ignoring ballots.
Say hello to President Gavin Newsome.
Post by: elwood blues on January 31, 2023, 09:50:07 AM
Attacking and defamation is his MO.
That's just what he does. It'swhyone of the reasons so many people hate him ....
Trump is pragmatic; he just wants the job done. If has needs the competition eliminated, he eliminates the competition. If he needs to grease a politician, he greases a politician. You may scratch your head and wonder why he endorses McDaniel, but I think that he looks at her like she (or her uncle) can be manipulated. Permanent DC continually creates new problems where there are no problems and does not want those problems solved. If solving actual problems were to actually happen, the need for their existence would diminish. That's why they fear Trump so much and why we love him so much -- because he gets the job done.
Post by: nddons on January 31, 2023, 10:31:27 AM
The only reason Trump has no chance of winning the general is Dem cheating.He will not get the votes of the independents in the general in my opinion. So he will have fewer votes than in 2020.
Post by: Lucifer on February 02, 2023, 04:43:09 AM
Post by: bflynn on February 02, 2023, 08:04:31 AM
The only reason Trump has no chance of winning the general is Dem cheating.
I think it's because too many people know his true character now and it turns them off. I'm slightly right of center and I will not vote for him, I'll write in a candidate first. I suspect there are many others like me, so if he only has support from 40-45% of the country, how can he win?
Additionally, he is a lightning rod. As soon as he is in the race, Democrats will pull out all the stops to get out the vote, they will have record turnout again. Republicans are not well served by having Democrats energized and learning to vote. If someone voted last election, they're likely to vote again.
And yes, that will include cheating, but at this point they almost don't need that anymore. It's a lot more than "they cheated".
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 02, 2023, 08:37:40 AM
I think it's because too many people know his true character now and it turns them off. I'm slightly right of center and I will not vote for him, I'll write in a candidate first. I suspect there are many others like me, so if he only has support from 40-45% of the country, how can he win?Other than his demeanor and his mean Tweets, please tell us which policies of his you didn't like?
Additionally, he is a lightning rod. As soon as he is in the race, Democrats will pull out all the stops to get out the vote, they will have record turnout again. Republicans are not well served by having Democrats energized and learning to vote. If someone voted last election, they're likely to vote again.
And yes, that will include cheating, but at this point they almost don't need that anymore. It's a lot more than "they cheated".
Was it the closing of the border, mostly?
The low unemployment numbers, especially among blacks and Hispanics?
How about the tax cuts that have brought us record revenues?
Maybe it was the growth in the economy?
Was it because he didn't start any new wars and was working a plan to end the one in Afghanistan?
Post by: Number7 on February 02, 2023, 09:28:31 AM
Other than his demeanor and his mean Tweets, please tell us which policies of his you didn't like?
Was it the closing of the border, mostly?
The low unemployment numbers, especially among blacks and Hispanics?
How about the tax cuts that have brought us record revenues?
Maybe it was the growth in the economy?
Was it because he didn't start any new wars and was working a plan to end the one in Afghanistan?
I think flynn is triggered by his mean tweets.
It's so much more important to feel special than right, you know.
Pussies are going to be pussies and will always show their true character.
Look at the people who support mcconnell and hated the five true conservatives who used the communist democrats own rules against them.
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2023, 11:23:58 AM
I think it's because too many people know his true character now and it turns them off. I'm slightly right of center and I will not vote for him, I'll write in a candidate first. I suspect there are many others like me, so if he only has support from 40-45% of the country, how can he win?
Additionally, he is a lightning rod. As soon as he is in the race, Democrats will pull out all the stops to get out the vote, they will have record turnout again. Republicans are not well served by having Democrats energized and learning to vote. If someone voted last election, they're likely to vote again.
And yes, that will include cheating, but at this point they almost don't need that anymore. It's a lot more than "they cheated".
True character? He’s the same as he’s always been. Speaks his mind, what you see is what you get, with a little bombast and hyperbole.
If you and many others like you won’t vote for him in the general then you’re insane. You must like high gas prices and the threat of WW3. If you vote for someone else in the primary, that’s fine. But only DeSantis has a shot at it and he hasn’t declared.
Post by: Little Joe on February 02, 2023, 12:20:27 PM
I think flynn is triggered by his mean tweets.I don't think Flynn is triggered by his mean tweets. I know I'm not. I don't think Stan is either.
But all three of us, and millions of other do understand that there is a huge percentage of the population that IS triggered.
There is also a huge part of the population that do NOT like his policies, even though people like Stan, Bflynn and I do.
And there are a lot of us that are not going to waste our vote and ensure a Democratic win just because we think Trump has been treated unfairly. Which he certainly has. I'd rather fight for someone like DeSantis, who actually got a lot done, including voting reform in Florida.
You guys hate anyone that doesn't agree with everything you stand for, and you call us RINOS, and if you keep that shit up then we will never win another election. (Que Lucifer to say we won't ever win again anyway). And we won't if we follow those of you that are so far right you are left again.
Post by: nddons on February 02, 2023, 01:15:30 PM
Other than his demeanor and his mean Tweets, please tell us which policies of his you didn't like?I think that’s an unfair question. You don’t have to disagree or dislike anything he has done in order to not like him as the GOP nominee in 2024. I’ve always said he’s probably the most conservative president in my lifetime.
Was it the closing of the border, mostly?
The low unemployment numbers, especially among blacks and Hispanics?
How about the tax cuts that have brought us record revenues?
Maybe it was the growth in the economy?
Was it because he didn't start any new wars and was working a plan to end the one in Afghanistan?
But he’s undisciplined, he causes unforced errors and self-inflicted wounds, and he even more of a lightning rod than he was in 2015-2020. I don’t have it in me any more to keep apologizing for him, or desire to put up with him shooting our cause in the foot.
His attacks on DeSantis are clear. Trump supporters may call it a strategy or “just politics.” I see it as divisive, as many of us want DeSantis for a variety of things. In my opinion, DeSantis can do as much conservative things as Trump did. But Trump cannot do what DeSantis can do: 8 potential years as a GOP president, have youth in his side, and act like an adult and not have the sensitivity of a teenage girl.
Trump called DeSantis disloyal if he would run for POTUS. This from the guy who shit on his VP after he spent 4 years eating shit sandwiches. Sorry, loyalty is earned.
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2023, 01:51:38 PM
Post by: nddons on February 02, 2023, 02:05:40 PM
But. DeSantis. Isn’t. Running.Then. Why. Did. Trump. Call. Him. Disloyal?
Answer: because he MIGHT run, and is probably the only first tier candidate who could beat Trump.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 02, 2023, 02:08:54 PM
Then. Why. Did. Trump. Call. Him. Disloyal?
Answer: because he MIGHT run, and is probably the only first tier candidate who could beat Trump.
in a fair election or a rigged election?
Post by: Number7 on February 02, 2023, 02:20:19 PM
I don't think Flynn is triggered by his mean tweets. I know I'm not. I don't think Stan is either.
But all three of us, and millions of other do understand that there is a huge percentage of the population that IS triggered.
There is also a huge part of the population that do NOT like his policies, even though people like Stan, Bflynn and I do.
And there are a lot of us that are not going to waste our vote and ensure a Democratic win just because we think Trump has been treated unfairly. Which he certainly has. I'd rather fight for someone like DeSantis, who actually got a lot done, including voting reform in Florida.
You guys hate anyone that doesn't agree with everything you stand for, and you call us RINOS, and if you keep that shit up then we will never win another election. (Que Lucifer to say we won't ever win again anyway). And we won't if we follow those of you that are so far right you are left again.
Bullshit.
Pure, unadulterated bullshit.
Anyone who willingly uses their vote to punish the whole country because the Former President triggers them and then dresses it in a polished turd, is still a pussy.
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2023, 02:42:02 PM
Then. Why. Did. Trump. Call. Him. Disloyal?
Answer: because he MIGHT run, and is probably the only first tier candidate who could beat Trump.
He’s been calling him disloyal since 2018. Maybe it is a preemptive strike against someone he thinks could be his only real competition, but Trump has genuine concerns about DeSantis’s connections to globalism, funding sources, and other reasons to think DeSantis would not be a true MAGA swamp drainer. It’s reasonable to think Trump believes himself to be the only one with the self funding and strength of will to attack the uniparty. And I can’t say I blame him. Do you really see DeSantis putting his entire life, fortune, and reputation on the line to fight DC rot like Trump did?
Post by: nddons on February 02, 2023, 02:43:39 PM
in a fair election or a rigged election?Someone’s going to rig a REPUBLICAN primary for a Republican?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 02, 2023, 02:46:52 PM
Someone’s going to rig a REPUBLICAN primary for a Republican?
Why would the dems only cheat during a general election?
Post by: nddons on February 02, 2023, 02:50:02 PM
He’s been calling him disloyal since 2018. Maybe it is a preemptive strike against someone he thinks could be his only real competition, but Trump has genuine concerns about DeSantis’s connections to globalism, funding sources, and other reasons to think DeSantis would not be a true MAGA swamp drainer. It’s reasonable to think Trump believes himself to be the only one with the self funding and strength of will to attack the uniparty. And I can’t say I blame him. Do you really see DeSantis putting his entire life, fortune, and reputation on the line to fight DC rot like Trump did?If he chooses to run, then yes I do. It’s what everyone who runs on our side faces. You may not like DeSantis, but he’s not stupid. Putting his life, his family’s life, and his reputation (he doesn’t have much of a fortune) on the line would not be a shock to him.
As for clearing the swamp, Trump exposed the swamp, but did very very little to clear it out. Maybe that’s because he relied on poor advisors, but the swamp that he was in charge of in the executive branch worked to try to destroy him. Nice job.
DeSantis is working to clear wokism from the Florida education establishment. Seems like more than Trump tried to do.
As for Trump’s “genuine concerns” about DeSantis’ views on globalism or funding sources, well color me shocked that he’s trying to create conflict with a competitor. What has DeSantis done as governor that signals an embrace globalism? And show me a politician who turns down funding. I’ll wait.
Post by: Rush on February 02, 2023, 03:20:06 PM
Someone’s going to rig a REPUBLICAN primary for a Republican?
Oh hell yeah. The RINOs want rid of Trump.
Post by: Lucifer on February 02, 2023, 05:13:56 PM
There has been no election reform in those states. So with the current electoral map, someone please explain how republicans win?
I'll wait.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 02, 2023, 06:10:56 PM
Trump on abortion is a also inconsistent. When Roe v Wade was overturned he praised the ruling. When the Red Wave fizzled in the last election he said the overturning of Roe v Wade was the fault. That is just one case where he has been inconsistent on abortion.
But the biggest issue with Trump is that to be effective he has to have the backing of the elected members of his own party. There were enough never-Trumper Republicans during his administration that he was unable to move some policies forward. Another Trump administration may founder if too many Republicans push back on whatever he proposes.
Speaking of agendas - has Trump outlined what he would do if reelected?
Post by: Little Joe on February 02, 2023, 06:14:47 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how any republican can win in the general. Please explain how a republican can win in PA, MI, WI, GA or AZ? How about the blue shithole states?Easy. Run a quality candidate not named TRUMP!
There has been no election reform in those states. So with the current electoral map, someone please explain how republicans win?
I'll wait.
Post by: nddons on February 02, 2023, 06:15:45 PM
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how any republican can win in the general. Please explain how a republican can win in PA, MI, WI, GA or AZ? How about the blue shithole states?Well then just quit. I don’t care. The rest of us will try to make changes at the state level, but it takes time, effort, and persistence. But I won’t fucking sit on my ass while one faction is destroying my country. I have a daughter to fight for.
There has been no election reform in those states. So with the current electoral map, someone please explain how republicans win?
I'll wait.
See you on the other side.
Post by: nddons on February 02, 2023, 06:18:53 PM
He will spend four years re-litigating 2020. I don’t have the time or patience for that. There’s too much damage to undo to keep looking backwards.
Speaking of agendas - has Trump outlined what he would do if reelected?
Post by: Lucifer on February 02, 2023, 06:24:39 PM
Easy. Run a quality candidate not named TRUMP!
Care to elaborate? Are you inferring that the democrat controlled elections would simply stop ballot harvesting, printing and sending out hundreds of thousands of ballots to empty lots and such, clean up voter rolls, not use undersize or oversize ballots, count ballots for over a month, pull out suitcases stuffed with ballots and run them through tabulators over and over, put an end to drop boxes.............
And are you inferring that election manipulation is all about keeping Trump out, then how do you explain 2022?
Post by: Lucifer on February 02, 2023, 06:34:05 PM
Well then just quit. I don’t care. The rest of us will try to make changes at the state level, but it takes time, effort, and persistence. But I won’t fucking sit on my ass while one faction is destroying my country. I have a daughter to fight for.
See you on the other side.
Excuse me? Some of us have been very vocal and fighting for election integrity. However, the republican party wants nothing to do with it.
Changes at the state level. I'm still waiting and watching for those changes. We watched 2022 come and go, and since the republicans are only interested in what some dumb fuck named Karl Rove has to say, they didn't put any effort into election reform. Nothing.
There is not enough time to change the laws before the 2024 election to keep another steal from happening. That's a fact.
Keep fantasizing that somehow ( insert name here) will announce as a republican and will win in 2024, only to watch the same shenanigan's happen again on election night 2024.
Post by: Little Joe on February 02, 2023, 06:37:24 PM
Democrats followed a strategy of voting for Trump backed candidates in the Republican primaries, knowing they couldn't win. And they were right.
then how do you explain 2022?
I expect Dems to vote in the Republican primaries again next year to try to get Trump on the ballot, knowing he can't win. And it will work if we let it.
Post by: Lucifer on February 02, 2023, 06:49:54 PM
Democrats followed a strategy of voting for Trump backed candidates in the Republican primaries, knowing they couldn't win. And they were right.
Then how do you explain that Trump backed candidates that won were like 90%?
I expect Dems to vote in the Republican primaries again next year to try to get Trump on the ballot, knowing he can't win. And it will work if we let it.
You aren’t addressing or answering my question. Wanna try again?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 02, 2023, 06:50:49 PM
Speaking of agendas - has Trump outlined what he would do if reelected?
Yes, he has.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda
And there is more. He continues to hold massive rallies. He is releasing short videos outlining actions he will take on all the issues that concern me the most. He will release America’s energy. In a recent video he said he would go straight for the jugular on gender mutilation of children. As President, he kept his promises more than any President in my lifetime.
I’m with Rush on this. He is not perfect. But he fights for America and for human flourishing harder than any possible candidates in any party. It’s true the RINOs and globalists hate him. It’s when the RINOs and globalists go silent that worries me. They’ll never go silent on hating Trump and will always try to replace him with a globalist.
Enter DeSantis. I’ve seen plenty of clips and articles on Gab of DeSantis being very inconsistent considering how many think he is the new, improved Trump. He is not. I am not convinced yet that he is unbribeable or pro America to the extent we need to restore our government to serving us. He is a governor; we need a fighter.
Of course this whole discussion is academic until elections are secure. We all have differing experiences and views on that. But at the very core of my existence is the certainty that elections are being precision-targeted in certain states and precincts to steal them. The world knows this.
Post by: nddons on February 02, 2023, 07:11:05 PM
Excuse me? Some of us have been very vocal and fighting for election integrity. However, the republican party wants nothing to do with it.If you’re so convinced Republicans will never win another election, why are you so worked up telling the rest of us every day? Ok. We get it. Republicans are going to lose. Duly noted.
Changes at the state level. I'm still waiting and watching for those changes. We watched 2022 come and go, and since the republicans are only interested in what some dumb fuck named Karl Rove has to say, they didn't put any effort into election reform. Nothing.
There is not enough time to change the laws before the 2024 election to keep another steal from happening. That's a fact.
Keep fantasizing that somehow ( insert name here) will announce as a republican and will win in 2024, only to watch the same shenanigan's happen again on election night 2024.
Now the rest of us are still going to try to get our candidates elected, in spite of the fraud.
Post by: Little Joe on February 02, 2023, 07:11:57 PM
Then how do you explain that Trump backed candidates that won were like 90%?Easy. I don't believe it. If Trump back candidates won 90% of the time, then he must have backed a bunch of Democrats.
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You aren’t addressing or answering my question. Wanna try again?No. There is no point. I think I'll go talk to a school building. That would have more effect.
Post by: Lucifer on February 02, 2023, 07:23:53 PM
Easy. I don't believe it.
My mistake. 83%
https://ballotpedia.org/Endorsements_by_Donald_Trump#2022
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 02, 2023, 08:23:33 PM
Post by: Number7 on February 02, 2023, 08:37:26 PM
Speaking of agendas - has Trump outlined what he would do if reelected?
Seriously??
You are so ideologically blinded by your ego and agenda that you haven’t noticed his policy statements every two days for weeks???
Or maybe you are AGAIN trying to draw people into a comment where you demand links and then pathetically reject them because they don’t meet your criteria.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 02, 2023, 09:15:06 PM
Seriously??
You are so ideologically blinded by your ego and agenda that you haven’t noticed his policy statements every two days for weeks???
Or maybe you are AGAIN trying to draw people into a comment where you demand links and then pathetically reject them because they don’t meet your criteria.
As a libertarian I don't follow Trump all that closely now that he is out of office. Becky was kind enough to take the trouble to answer directly by posting a link that tries to answer my question.
Post by: Anthony on February 03, 2023, 03:23:34 AM
Other than his demeanor and his mean Tweets, please tell us which policies of his you didn't like?
Was it the closing of the border, mostly?
The low unemployment numbers, especially among blacks and Hispanics?
How about the tax cuts that have brought us record revenues?
Maybe it was the growth in the economy?
Was it because he didn't start any new wars and was working a plan to end the one in Afghanistan?
^^^^^^This. Trump does the things WE WANT.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 03, 2023, 06:27:58 AM
^^^^^^This. Trump does the things WE WANT.I notice he's not answered these. ;)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 03, 2023, 06:31:57 AM
Add to that the Turtle pulling money from Blake Masters and giving it to Murkowski up in Alaska when a Republican was all but guaranteed to win there. BTW, Masters may indeed have won in Arizona based on all the bullshit that went on there. Kari Lake is fighting hard there to bring it all out. She must be over the target since they are going after here so hard.
Post by: Lucifer on February 03, 2023, 07:47:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/ymh4w3V.jpg)
Post by: bflynn on February 03, 2023, 09:43:03 AM
The ruling was leaked for a reason, that reason being to fire up the Democrat base and help swing the election. I think it had the desired effect.
The ruling wasn't leaked to fire up the base, because it was going to come out before the election anyway, it wasn't going to be hidden. If anything, it was leaked early to try to let the storm die down before the election.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 03, 2023, 09:57:28 AM
The ruling wasn't leaked to fire up the base, because it was going to come out before the election anyway, it wasn't going to be hidden. If anything, it was leaked early to try to let the storm die down before the election.
wow - that's quite the spin you put on that.
consider this: leaking it early allowed it to be in the news cycle for a longer period of time.
in other words, I call BS on the claim that it was leaked early to let the storm die down.
Post by: bflynn on February 03, 2023, 10:29:35 AM
consider this: leaking it early allowed it to be in the news cycle for a longer period of time.
No way to know one way or the other without identifying the person who leaked it. My take is different than yours.
Post by: bflynn on February 03, 2023, 10:29:42 AM
Other than his demeanor and his mean Tweets, please tell us which policies of his you didn't like?
The point that broke the came's back - When he stole from the military housing deployment budget to build part of a border wall after refusing a bill that had 5 times as much for a wall. Net result, the military MWR suffered and we got a partial solution.
Lots of partial solutions.
Failed to repeal obamacare. I don't care if McCain screwed him, that means Trump let himself get screwed. Then he quit trying.
Bringing back manufacturing to the US in a meaningful way. He did some token work, but never addressed the issues that drove it away in the first place.
Failed to get National Right to Carry in every state on the agenda. Like he didn't try.
Failed to eliminate common core.
Failed to remove illegal aliens. In fact, what he did made it worse.
Triple ICE enforcement. Failed
Kicking China out of the WTO. Failed.
Balance the budget. Failed
Failed, failed, failed.
He ruined his capability to influence overseas. If the US is to be a superpower, influence is mandatory.
He cannot work with people, he dictates to them. That works well as the head of an international real estate empire where he has all the power, but not so great as a national leader.
Shall I keep going? I can name more campaign promises that he failed at than you can ones he kept.
And in doing all this, he did other things that infuriated Democrats and motivated them into crusading to defeat him.
I refuse to support going through this again.
Post by: Username on February 03, 2023, 11:26:45 AM
I submit that he wasn't given a chance to succeed, by design. With Congress (both R and D), the MSM, the deep state, and pretty much everything besides half the nation aligned against him, I'm very impressed that he did as much as he did. Add in all the distractions of non-stop investigations, and there you go.
I would love to see what he can accomplish with another term as president. But even if he gets elected, there's no way the forces aligned against him will allow him to succeed.
Post by: Number7 on February 03, 2023, 03:01:45 PM
And in doing all this, he did other things that infuriated Democrats and motivated them into crusading to defeat him.
I refuse to support going through this again.
thank you comrade
Post by: Number7 on February 03, 2023, 03:02:35 PM
All that may be true, but none of those are directly under the president's control. The Congress controls the money. He can make all the demands he wants but unless the Congress gives him the money to do it, it can't be done.
I submit that he wasn't given a chance to succeed, by design. With Congress (both R and D), the MSM, the deep state, and pretty much everything besides half the nation aligned against him, I'm very impressed that he did as much as he did. Add in all the distractions of non-stop investigations, and there you go.
I would love to see what he can accomplish with another term as president. But even if he gets elected, there's no way the forces aligned against him will allow him to succeed.
It's not like neverTrumpers like flynn would EVER consider something as repugnant as truth when making their bullshit attacks.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 03, 2023, 03:28:38 PM
I don’t have time to take apart each of bflynn’s claims about what President Trump didn’t accomplish, but several in his list I know to be false. I suspect bflynn gets a certain dosage of mainstream stuff because a number of his claims reek of their twisted talking points and of course deliberate failure to report anything good about Donald J. Trump.
I just looked through my saved lists of Trump accomplishments and they are off the chart amazing. The ones on the White House website during his term have been removed, of course.
Equally if not more impressive are the compiled lists of dozens and dozens of lies with links, perpetrated against President Trump.
What he accomplished under constant, aggressive pushback from all sides is nothing short of miraculous. But it was because he is not only WHO he is, he is an OUTSIDER. DeSantis is not.
Post by: Number7 on February 03, 2023, 04:58:20 PM
Post by: Anthony on February 04, 2023, 03:39:28 AM
All that may be true, but none of those are directly under the president's control. The Congress controls the money. He can make all the demands he wants but unless the Congress gives him the money to do it, it can't be done.
I submit that he wasn't given a chance to succeed, by design. With Congress (both R and D), the MSM, the deep state, and pretty much everything besides half the nation aligned against him, I'm very impressed that he did as much as he did. Add in all the distractions of non-stop investigations, and there you go.
I would love to see what he can accomplish with another term as president. But even if he gets elected, there's no way the forces aligned against him will allow him to succeed.
^^^^^^This!!!
Post by: Little Joe on February 04, 2023, 04:42:03 AM
The ruling wasn't leaked to fire up the base, because it was going to come out before the election anyway, it wasn't going to be hidden. If anything, it was leaked early to try to let the storm die down before the election.I believe the charge is that it wasn't leaked before the LAST election, not the NEXT election. The damage had already been done.
Or have I confused threads and events again?
Post by: Lucifer on February 04, 2023, 09:00:59 AM
Post by: bflynn on February 09, 2023, 07:58:32 AM
thank you comrade
One you've put on a uniform and defended freedom, you can say that and let it have some meaning. Until then, Fuck You. I saw the end of the cold war while you were at home pulling your little pud. I've feasted on "ketchup soup" after having eaten everything else on board so we could get the mission done.
You want to be in the cult of personality, go for it. But it never ends well because personalities always end.
Post by: Number7 on February 09, 2023, 11:35:50 AM
One you've put on a uniform and defended freedom, you can say that and let it have some meaning. Until then, Fuck You. I saw the end of the cold war while you were at home pulling your little pud. I've feasted on "ketchup soup" after having eaten everything else on board so we could get the mission done.
You want to be in the cult of personality, go for it. But it never ends well because personalities always end.
You are SO fucking pathetic.
and you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about AGAIN!
So fuck off, comrade.
Wear your red proudly, or not at all.
Post by: nddons on February 09, 2023, 12:53:44 PM
I spent seven years defending Trump from scurrilous accusations and unfair attacks. Now he’s pulling the democrats’ playbook to destroy a good man?
Fuck you, Trump. I’m done with you.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230209/5e4c7ceedb0ea7bac24db632dccb8a7b.jpg)
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-shares-photos-of-desantis-alleging-partied-with-high-schoolers-2023-2
Post by: Lucifer on February 09, 2023, 01:27:29 PM
Who will be the nominee? Dunno at this point.
But if the RNC and the establishment get their way (they will), then they will choose, not the voter.
And 2024 is going to the democrats. Do the electoral math.
Post by: Rush on February 09, 2023, 02:48:01 PM
Truth is, the Republican field is about to get crowded with candidates.
Who will be the nominee? Dunno at this point.
But if the RNC and the establishment get their way (they will), then they will choose, not the voter.
And 2024 is going to the democrats. Do the electoral math.
Then stick a fork in us if that’s true. We’re done.
Post by: Little Joe on February 09, 2023, 05:17:32 PM
Post by: Anthony on February 09, 2023, 05:38:10 PM
Then stick a fork in us if that’s true. We’re done.
We're fucked. I've given up the normal process. At some point going to WY or SD and totally checking out. This country is no more.
Post by: Lucifer on February 09, 2023, 06:09:28 PM
The MSM gave us Trump in 2016 by attacking all of the legitimate Republican contenders until they dropped out or were voted out. Trump won because he was the last man standing. They just thought there was no way he could win. They will try to do the same thing again.
That’s delusional, and not true.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 09, 2023, 06:17:50 PM
Post by: Rush on February 12, 2023, 10:26:40 AM
I’m having trouble disagreeing with these guys at the moment.
https://twitter.com/miguelifornia/status/1624546600810053633
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2023, 10:35:45 AM
“If DeSantis runs in 2024, he’ll Ted Cruz himself.”
I’m having trouble disagreeing with these guys at the moment.
https://twitter.com/miguelifornia/status/1624546600810053633
DeSantis will run in 2024.
And we will see a repeat of 2016 in which the field will be huge. Of course, this dilutes the primaries.
And since there has been little to no effort to clean up voting in the new battle ground states, the outcome is predetermined.
Post by: Rush on February 12, 2023, 12:47:11 PM
DeSantis will run in 2024.
And we will see a repeat of 2016 in which the field will be huge. Of course, this dilutes the primaries.
And since there has been little to no effort to clean up voting in the new battle ground states, the outcome is predetermined.
Then if that happens, and the guys in that video are right, this ruins DeSantis for 2028.
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2023, 01:33:42 PM
Then if that happens, and the guys in that video are right, this ruins DeSantis for 2028.
Doesn't matter. As long as there is no election reform in the battle ground states, the dims own the executive.
Post by: Rush on February 12, 2023, 01:53:23 PM
Doesn't matter. As long as there is no election reform in the battle ground states, the dims own the executive.
I agree with that.
Post by: Username on February 12, 2023, 02:04:42 PM
Doesn't matter. As long as there is no election reform in the battle ground states, the dims own the executive.Is that a bad thing? If the Republicans own the house and/or senate, and the dims own the presidency, then nothing will get done. And a federal government that does nothing is way better than one that tries to "help". We can work on getting things fixed at the state and local level, then go for the fed with a (hopefully) level playing field.
Post by: Mase on February 12, 2023, 02:14:29 PM
Post by: Little Joe on February 12, 2023, 02:44:42 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2023, 02:49:59 PM
Is that a bad thing? If the Republicans own the house and/or senate, and the dims own the presidency, then nothing will get done. And a federal government that does nothing is way better than one that tries to "help". We can work on getting things fixed at the state and local level, then go for the fed with a (hopefully) level playing field.
Yes it's bad. It's rotting from the inside out.
We've seen the damage a stolen election has done to us. The career politician with zero accomplishments has destroyed everything the businessman with no political experience left him.
Problem is inside the beltway, we have the UniParty. For the most part in congress, the republicans are RINO's. The speaker vote showed that. The senate republicans that are true conservatives are a small ineffective group.
Back to the state level, even worse. The legislatures in many states, while republican by name, are actually RINO. We've seen this by so called "republican legislatures" refusing to establish election reform.
We are headed towards a one party rule, with the minority party being the controlled opposition.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 12, 2023, 03:17:53 PM
Ok everybody:
give us a reason to be positive...
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 12, 2023, 04:09:43 PM
Post by: nddons on February 12, 2023, 07:06:19 PM
Ok everybody:I agree. I’ve never walked off the football field until the clock hit 0:00, regardless of the score. That’s left for quitters. Any time on the clock meant I had time to hit someone.
Post by: Lucifer on February 12, 2023, 07:51:34 PM
I agree. I’ve never walked off the football field until the clock hit 0:00, regardless of the score. That’s left for quitters. Any time on the clock meant I had time to hit someone.
Nobody is “quitting”.
However, facts are facts. With no election reform in the battleground states such as PA, MI, GA, AZ, NM and others, the dims will continue to focus on ballots, while the republicans will focus on issues.
Three election cycles have shown this to be highly effective, and now with less than 24 months to 2024, still no election reform.
I’m still waiting for someone to explain, using facts, how the republicans over come this and win electoral.
The RNC just re-elected multiple loser Mitten’s niece to oversee the next election cycle. And she doesn’t even acknowledge the state election problems. Her only interest is pushing establishment candidates.
The turtle still has control of senate republicans, and he recently sabotaged congress with the $1.7trillion pork feast, and zero repercussions.
The problem is STATE ELECTION LAWS that aren’t even constitutional in many cases. And nothing is being done.
ELECTIONS CANNOT BE WON WHEN THE OTHER SIDE HAS STACKED THE DECK, AND THE OPPOSITION ACCEPTS IT.
Why is that so difficult to understand?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 12, 2023, 08:36:55 PM
Post by: nddons on February 12, 2023, 09:30:43 PM
Nobody is “quitting”.Why do you insist on telling us the game is over before it started, so we may as well not even try? It’s getting old.
However, facts are facts. With no election reform in the battleground states such as PA, MI, GA, AZ, NM and others, the dims will continue to focus on ballots, while the republicans will focus on issues.
Three election cycles have shown this to be highly effective, and now with less than 24 months to 2024, still no election reform.
I’m still waiting for someone to explain, using facts, how the republicans over come this and win electoral.
The RNC just re-elected multiple loser Mitten’s niece to oversee the next election cycle. And she doesn’t even acknowledge the state election problems. Her only interest is pushing establishment candidates.
The turtle still has control of senate republicans, and he recently sabotaged congress with the $1.7trillion pork feast, and zero repercussions.
The problem is STATE ELECTION LAWS that aren’t even constitutional in many cases. And nothing is being done.
ELECTIONS CANNOT BE WON WHEN THE OTHER SIDE HAS STACKED THE DECK, AND THE OPPOSITION ACCEPTS IT.
Why is that so difficult to understand?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 12, 2023, 09:54:56 PM
Post by: Anthony on February 13, 2023, 02:12:49 AM
Post by: Anthony on February 13, 2023, 02:14:39 AM
Why do you insist on telling us the game is over before it started, so we may as well not even try? It’s getting old.
We should still push for election reform and vote for non Democrat candidates, but in general he's right. I may never vote again as the Republicans are in on it as they are the weaker member of the Uniparty.
Post by: Lucifer on February 13, 2023, 03:42:29 AM
Why do you insist on telling us the game is over before it started, so we may as well not even try? It’s getting old.
Why do you insist, after 3 election cycles, that somehow the dims will suddenly stop ballot harvesting, mailing out hundreds of thousands of ballots to non existent voters, ignore voting laws such as signature validation, use mules and unmonitored drop boxes, etc, etc?
At least in Wisconsin, they are slowly moving towards cleaning up voter rolls, which is a start to stop the dims from flooding the state with phony ballots. But there is still a way to go.
Does anyone believe, in PA in 2022 that they actually elected a guy with brain damage to the senate? Or that a very unpopular state AG as Governor? How about AZ? Look at the blatant and in your face fraud committed there? Think Gov Hobbs and her cronies will allow a republican presidential candidate to win AZ in 2024? NM? MI?
In GA we watched a repulsive hard core communist race baiter beat an all American hero type guy who should have easily won, in an election to decide the senate control. That election had notable problems that again, went ignored.
Sorry to burst the bubble Stan, but 2022 was predictable. I wrote very early on the "red wave" wasn't going to happen, and I also wrote that the dims didn't seem worried. The GOP only won the house by a razor margin by winning in a few areas. In 2024 the dims will target those areas to plug the gaps.
The establishment along with the democrat communist like that they finally figured out how to control elections without having to win Florida or Texas. I wrote (long ago) that Covid was a gift to the UniParty, and a Pandora's box.
The Rubicon has been crossed, and we are well on our way to one party rule. The only way out is election reform, or secession. We won't see an Article V convention either.
The republicans will see a large field of contenders for the WH in 2024. My opinion right now the nominee won't be Trump, because the hatred of the communist. I see DeSantis getting destroyed by the communist because of what he's done for Florida. Youngkin will not see a second term in VA. Look for the cross hairs on Gov Sanders in AR as well.
Don't be surprised to see a reemergence of Jeb!. The Uniparty approves, and knows he's easily defeated.
Finally, I'm willing to hear an opposing argument if someone can explain how this is winnable in 21 months without election reform.
Post by: Little Joe on February 13, 2023, 05:50:56 AM
Why do you insist, after 3 election cycles, that somehow the dims will suddenly stop ballot harvesting, mailing out hundreds of thousands of ballots to non existent voters, ignore voting laws such as signature validation, use mules and unmonitored drop boxes, etc, etc?For me it's because I have lived through 35 election cycles and actually voted in about 26 of them. I can't count the times I heard that one party or the other is dead and will never win another election. The only difference now is that the circle-jerkers get together on line and shout it louder than ever before.
If we put up a quality, intelligent, eloquent, likable and attractive (yes, that's important too) candidate, we will win.
Trump doesn't come anywhere near checking all of those boxes.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 13, 2023, 06:11:10 AM
For me it's because I have lived through 35 election cycles and actually voted in about 26 of them. I can't count the times I heard that one party or the other is dead and will never win another election. The only difference now is that the circle-jerkers get together on line and shout it louder than ever before.
If we put up a quality, intelligent, eloquent, likable and attractive (yes, that's important too) candidate, we will win.
Trump doesn't come anywhere near checking all of those boxes.
Joe. Wake up. Love, Becky
Post by: Little Joe on February 13, 2023, 06:29:39 AM
Joe. Wake up. Love, BeckyI'm happy in my dreams. When I wake up, I get depressed.
Post by: Rush on February 13, 2023, 06:43:53 AM
So I said to myself, self, I said, I’m going to see which one of these guys is going to turn out to be right, and that will inform my expectations about 2024. Because in reality we all know there was a huge red wave in 2020 but the fix was in as openly bragged about in Time Magazine. Yes, the gift was the pandemic, opening the gates for mail in ballots - those gates have not been closed and I don’t see a lot of progress in that area.
So now I am VERY pessimistic about 2024. And if we lose 2024, we are dead. Styx claims the biggest reason we didn’t “see” the red wave in the midterms was McConnell not funding Republican candidates that needed it, and instead directing money toward those that were already a sure win. It was the Uniparty preferring Democrats over MAGA candidates.
Styx is right however he is still underestimating the extent cheating plays in key locations - my belief is both combined is how the midterm red wave became a trickle.
I don’t see how this can be fought. There is no Federal way to fix the elections without a Constitutional amendment and there is zero chance of that happening (sans Convention of States - and I see no progress on that front.) And I don’t see the states with the election fraud taking any action to fix themselves, on the contrary, they are solidifying the cheats behind nonsense like “it’s racist to require an ID to vote”.
Not saying I’m completely black pilled like Lucifer seems to be. I’m trying to hang on to some hope. But at this point it’s hope for hope’s sake, because the worst thing we can do is give up.
Post by: Little Joe on February 13, 2023, 06:54:22 AM
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because the worst thing we can do is give up.
Post by: Username on February 13, 2023, 07:08:30 AM
Post by: Rush on February 13, 2023, 07:43:21 AM
The problem is that Republicans try to win on issues. democrats try to win on ballots. Issues will never win in the short term, ballots will. democrats didn't even put forth any issues last presidential election. FJB hid in the basement for the duration and his minions flooded the election with ballots. We cannot win unless we play the same game they do. It's Viet Nam all over again. Carpet bombing with issues will never win against guerrilla voting. It's time to get down and dirty and play their game to win.
Then we've just devolved into a ballot war. When third world nations have election integrity far better than ours.
Post by: Rush on February 13, 2023, 07:44:23 AM
I think what a lot of people are underestimating is the depth of the hatred of Trump. We are not going to fix that. EVER. And if people keep pushing Trump, then Lucifer will be 100% correct.
The inference I'm getting is that you think all the cheating is about preventing Trump from winning. I think they'll keep up the cheating if DeSantis or any Republican runs. It's been too successful.
Post by: Rush on February 13, 2023, 07:45:20 AM
I'm happy in my dreams. When I wake up, I get depressed.
I get angry when I wake up because I instantly forget my dreams but I remember that they were very happy. I get better after I have my coffee.
Post by: Username on February 13, 2023, 07:49:03 AM
Then we've just devolved into a ballot war. When third world nations have election integrity far better than ours.I agree. But I don't see any other way. Any time someone tries to increase election integrity, a mob cries RACIST and torches a city. I do not know how to win against crazy. Reason, issues, and facts don't seem to matter to them. Get a YOU'RE RACIST soundbite on Twitter or ticktock or facistbook and it spreads like Covid didn't.
I'm sorry... I'm just really down today.
Post by: Little Joe on February 13, 2023, 07:56:42 AM
The inference I'm getting is that you think all the cheating is about preventing Trump from winning.Not exactly. They cheat and they will continue to cheat regardless of who is running.
But cheating isn't enough. They also have to LIE a lot. And so many people hate Trump to their core that they WANT to believe all those lies about Trump and when a group of liberals get together they get into a feeding frenzy when the topic turns to Trump. And they all vote, two or three times. I know that my FIL did. He filled out the mail-in ballots for his autistic daughter and his immigrant wife.
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I think they'll keep up the cheating if DeSantis or any Republican runs. It's been too successful.It has been successful because Trump made himself such an easy target. The Dems made the 2020 and 2022 elections all about Trump, and THAT was successful (for them)
Post by: Anthony on February 13, 2023, 08:07:23 AM
Why do you insist, after 3 election cycles, that somehow the dims will suddenly stop ballot harvesting, mailing out hundreds of thousands of ballots to non existent voters, ignore voting laws such as signature validation, use mules and unmonitored drop boxes, etc, etc?
At least in Wisconsin, they are slowly moving towards cleaning up voter rolls, which is a start to stop the dims from flooding the state with phony ballots. But there is still a way to go.
Does anyone believe, in PA in 2022 that they actually elected a guy with brain damage to the senate? Or that a very unpopular state AG as Governor? How about AZ? Look at the blatant and in your face fraud committed there? Think Gov Hobbs and her cronies will allow a republican presidential candidate to win AZ in 2024? NM? MI?
In GA we watched a repulsive hard core communist race baiter beat an all American hero type guy who should have easily won, in an election to decide the senate control. That election had notable problems that again, went ignored.
Sorry to burst the bubble Stan, but 2022 was predictable. I wrote very early on the "red wave" wasn't going to happen, and I also wrote that the dims didn't seem worried. The GOP only won the house by a razor margin by winning in a few areas. In 2024 the dims will target those areas to plug the gaps.
The establishment along with the democrat communist like that they finally figured out how to control elections without having to win Florida or Texas. I wrote (long ago) that Covid was a gift to the UniParty, and a Pandora's box.
The Rubicon has been crossed, and we are well on our way to one party rule. The only way out is election reform, or secession. We won't see an Article V convention either.
The republicans will see a large field of contenders for the WH in 2024. My opinion right now the nominee won't be Trump, because the hatred of the communist. I see DeSantis getting destroyed by the communist because of what he's done for Florida. Youngkin will not see a second term in VA. Look for the cross hairs on Gov Sanders in AR as well.
Don't be surprised to see a reemergence of Jeb!. The Uniparty approves, and knows he's easily defeated.
Finally, I'm willing to hear an opposing argument if someone can explain how this is winnable in 21 months without election reform.
Deserves to be repeated.
Post by: Lucifer on February 13, 2023, 08:22:07 AM
For me it's because I have lived through 35 election cycles and actually voted in about 26 of them. I can't count the times I heard that one party or the other is dead and will never win another election. The only difference now is that the circle-jerkers get together on line and shout it louder than ever before.
If we put up a quality, intelligent, eloquent, likable and attractive (yes, that's important too) candidate, we will win.
Trump doesn't come anywhere near checking all of those boxes.
Sorry Joe, but you are a low information type. You are totally ignoring the problems of electioneering that have taken place over the past 3 elections.
From your post, you obviously don’t believe election fraud has happened.
Your scenario totally discounts ballot harvesting, drop boxes, mules, ballot dumps,etc.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 13, 2023, 08:22:18 AM
This same member would not vote for Herschel versus Warnock for Senate. He believes Herschel is a liar and deeply flawed due to his tendency to run around with women in his younger days. Even mentioning that Herschel wrote book admitting what he did and that he has changed didn't seem to change his mind.
I've mentioned before, that many people that have never been in a true blue collar job will never understand Trump's demeanor. They just know they don't like it, he's mean and crude and doesn't belong in polite society. They've never had to deal with unions and their representatives in their business dealings. I've worked in those environments and get it totally.
There are things I hold against Trump. He let himself be snookered by Fauci and Birx and thus went along to get along. He allowed the narrative of shutting down society and the economy to move forward, which should have never happened. During his term, to my knowledge, he never used the "veto pen" once the Democrats got control back.
The tax changes were good and have brought the country record revenues over time. Notice that Biden always talks about the Trump tax cuts, yet while the Democrats had control, the tax cuts were never repealed. Of course they don't really need to since there are no apparent controls to spending by either party anymore, we just keep piling up the debt with no end in sight. Of course, McCarthy is going to up the debt ceiling. Anyone that thinks he won't is dreaming. The real question is, will he get anything for it.
My eyes are on Arizona with Kari and Abe to see if they can make a dent in what is happening. That will tell me a lot about which direction we are truly headed.
Post by: Lucifer on February 13, 2023, 08:24:32 AM
I think what a lot of people are underestimating is the depth of the hatred of Trump. We are not going to fix that. EVER. And if people keep pushing Trump, then Lucifer will be 100% correct.
Again, you are a low information type easily persuaded by the MSM. Sorry, your postings make that evident.
Keep wishing a white knight will come along and save you. Without election reform, it ain’t happening.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 13, 2023, 08:59:18 AM
But cheating isn't enough. ...
sure it is.
concentrate the cheating in key areas of key states... and voila.
Post by: Lucifer on February 13, 2023, 09:55:43 AM
Post by: nddons on February 13, 2023, 07:44:12 PM
Why do you insist, after 3 election cycles, that somehow the dims will suddenly stop ballot harvesting, mailing out hundreds of thousands of ballots to non existent voters, ignore voting laws such as signature validation, use mules and unmonitored drop boxes, etc, etc?I’m not denying any of that for fucks sake. I’m well aware. But there are other ways to skin the cat.
At least in Wisconsin, they are slowly moving towards cleaning up voter rolls, which is a start to stop the dims from flooding the state with phony ballots. But there is still a way to go.
Does anyone believe, in PA in 2022 that they actually elected a guy with brain damage to the senate? Or that a very unpopular state AG as Governor? How about AZ? Look at the blatant and in your face fraud committed there? Think Gov Hobbs and her cronies will allow a republican presidential candidate to win AZ in 2024? NM? MI?
In GA we watched a repulsive hard core communist race baiter beat an all American hero type guy who should have easily won, in an election to decide the senate control. That election had notable problems that again, went ignored.
Sorry to burst the bubble Stan, but 2022 was predictable. I wrote very early on the "red wave" wasn't going to happen, and I also wrote that the dims didn't seem worried. The GOP only won the house by a razor margin by winning in a few areas. In 2024 the dims will target those areas to plug the gaps.
The establishment along with the democrat communist like that they finally figured out how to control elections without having to win Florida or Texas. I wrote (long ago) that Covid was a gift to the UniParty, and a Pandora's box.
The Rubicon has been crossed, and we are well on our way to one party rule. The only way out is election reform, or secession. We won't see an Article V convention either.
The republicans will see a large field of contenders for the WH in 2024. My opinion right now the nominee won't be Trump, because the hatred of the communist. I see DeSantis getting destroyed by the communist because of what he's done for Florida. Youngkin will not see a second term in VA. Look for the cross hairs on Gov Sanders in AR as well.
Don't be surprised to see a reemergence of Jeb!. The Uniparty approves, and knows he's easily defeated.
Finally, I'm willing to hear an opposing argument if someone can explain how this is winnable in 21 months without election reform.
Wisconsin has a new GOP chairman, Brian Schimming. Shimming turned it into a paid position vs a volunteer position. He believes Mail in voting is here, so Republicans need to work to develop a better mail in ballot operation than the WI Dems. He pushed something like 5,000 GOP poll watchers into Milwaukee, and I believe it helped. We lost the fight for the governorship, but kept Ron Johnson for another 6 years.
Shit is happening at the local and state level, which is where all of this starts.
Saying the GOP can’t win ever again is not just not helpful, it’s damaging to the fucking fight.
Post by: nddons on February 13, 2023, 07:48:21 PM
For me it's because I have lived through 35 election cycles and actually voted in about 26 of them. I can't count the times I heard that one party or the other is dead and will never win another election. The only difference now is that the circle-jerkers get together on line and shout it louder than ever before.I agree with you. Sorry, Becky.
If we put up a quality, intelligent, eloquent, likable and attractive (yes, that's important too) candidate, we will win.
Trump doesn't come anywhere near checking all of those boxes.
In 2016 Trump had two things going for him that he doesn’t have today: Celebrity, and Novelty. People wanted to see “The Donald” fire people, and create a shit show for the entertainment. Those traits helped him win the primary, as well as the general.
But they’re gone now. He has caricatured himself into a bitter man who wants to keep litigating what happened in the past. I’m over him. I want someone fresh, and who can give us two years.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 14, 2023, 04:13:10 AM
I agree with you. Sorry, Becky.
In 2016 Trump had two things going for him that he doesn’t have today: Celebrity, and Novelty. People wanted to see “The Donald” fire people, and create a shit show for the entertainment. Those traits helped him win the primary, as well as the general.
But they’re gone now. He has caricatured himself into a bitter man who wants to keep litigating what happened in the past. I’m over him. I want someone fresh, and who can give us two years.
typo - terms not years.
Post by: Rush on February 14, 2023, 04:41:21 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/republican-sen-tim-scott-prepares-for-presidential-run-cd0078f1?mod=djemalertNEWS
Not my favorite but better than a ham sandwich. And definitely better than any Dem that’ll be up in 2024. Would he win because he’s a black man, like Obama did? (Assume an actual fair election.) Of course not. Black conservatives are white supremacists and domestic terrorists. I saw a black conservative speak at a school board meeting. I rest my case.
Post by: nddons on February 14, 2023, 06:31:03 AM
typo - terms not years.Yes, of course. Thanks.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 14, 2023, 06:40:18 AM
I agree with you. Sorry, Becky.
In 2016 Trump had two things going for him that he doesn’t have today: Celebrity, and Novelty. People wanted to see “The Donald” fire people, and create a shit show for the entertainment. Those traits helped him win the primary, as well as the general.
But they’re gone now. He has caricatured himself into a bitter man who wants to keep litigating what happened in the past. I’m over him. I want someone fresh, and who can give us two years.
Then change your avatar. Mixed message, etc. Put in there some weak R ticket taker whose virtues you’ll extoll but who’ll let us all down.
Listen, attempting to fix election weaknesses, nay, TERMINAL ILLNESS, because that’s where we are as the enemy precisely targets states and precincts, is going to be part and parcel of our daily lives until we die, Stan. Yes, we have to get into the same game as the dims as you’ve said earlier. But efforts here and there won’t do it before the cabal collapses everything. Podunk County, Alabama trumpeting how it’s going back to one day, one ballot, blah blah isn’t going to do it in our lifetimes.
I don’t worship any human. Trump is not perfect. But he is the only person on the bleak political landscape who has a real love for this country. “Litigating what happened in the past” points directly to 2020, which stands like a beacon illuminating the perfidy of the imposter Resident and his scumlord handlers.
If not Trump, then someone like him. I’m open. But not particularly trusting of imitations.
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Post by: Little Joe on February 14, 2023, 06:40:56 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/14/politics/nikki-haley-2024-announcement/index.html
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Nikki Haley announces 2024 White House bid
Post by: Little Joe on February 14, 2023, 06:45:46 AM
Then change your avatar. Mixed message, etc. Put in there some weak R ticket taker whose virtues you’ll extoll but who’ll let us all down.Here's a suggestion for you Stan!
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 14, 2023, 06:48:49 AM
Here's a suggestion for you Stan!
Yeah, that’ll do. About as serious as any contenders currently on the field.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 14, 2023, 06:50:10 AM
Now it's Trump-v-DeSantis-v-Haley!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/14/politics/nikki-haley-2024-announcement/index.html
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Post by: Little Joe on February 14, 2023, 06:57:48 AM
(http://)Would you even want a President that is not ambitious? Or is it only bad to be ambitious if you are a woman?
And as for principles, nobody has more than Trump (If you count both good and BAD).
Post by: Lucifer on February 14, 2023, 07:06:38 AM
Nikki Halley is a joke, and won’t pick up traction. Tim Scott is getting in, Sununu is making noise he’ll run (he won’t get far).
Glen Youngkin is testing the water.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 14, 2023, 07:20:44 AM
Would you even want a President that is not ambitious? Or is it only bad to be ambitious if you are a woman?
And as for principles, nobody has more than Trump (If you count both good and BAD).
Donald Trump did not want to be President, as he stated in interviews for decades. His ambition was to be a successful developer. He always hoped someone else would do what he saw needed to be done in our government … fix the rigged system and get power back to the people.
No one did. So finally he ran. And exposed the slime we see oozing out everywhere in our government and across our country and even the world right now. I’m more drawn to a reluctant, careful candidate. Wanting the job too much isn’t a good indicator of future success.
Donald Trump is a workaholic, tirelessly applied his energies to his job as leader of the free world, and by holding to his principles suffered and survived constant attacks from the unprincipled, nay, EVIL left, cabal and Uniparty.
Post by: Number7 on February 14, 2023, 08:12:21 AM
Nothing pacifies a mushy middle more than more of the same failure.
That's why several posters here cling to failures instead of people with business backgrounds and any realistic potential for improvement.
It has to be something they ate...
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 14, 2023, 08:33:32 AM
Post by: Number7 on February 14, 2023, 08:35:20 AM
And Haley is in at a huge 11% ;D
11% is going to be significant if there are 10-12 contenders all trying to gain traction despite a corrupt FBI and media colluding top kill their chances.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 14, 2023, 10:49:27 AM
11% is going to be significant if there are 10-12 contenders all trying to gain traction despite a corrupt FBI and media colluding top kill their chances.I would guess as the number of entrants increases her share will decrease. The poll was Just Trump, DeSantis and Haley, which is a bit strange since DeSantis hasn't declared for anything.
Post by: Little Joe on February 14, 2023, 12:18:53 PM
Mushy Middlers ALWAYS want another politician instead of an achiever.I'd love it if Trump could win the Presidency. My position is that he cannot and will not win. Even if EVERY conservative actually goes out and votes for him.
If you consider all the liberals that HATE Trump so much that they are willing to cheat, and then add in all of the Republican "Never Trumpers" (of which I am NOT one), I don't think he has a prayer's chance in Hell of winning. If I thought he could win I would support and vote for him. I just don't see it. He has become a caricature of himself by his own actions, and there is no fixing that.
If you think that makes me a Trump hater or that means that I want a lib or a swamp creature, that is YOUR perception problem.
But all he is going to do is split the vote and damage any other R that runs and assure that we get another D. And he WILL damage them He will call them names and insult them and in so doing will help energize the real enemy.
Post by: nddons on February 14, 2023, 12:22:02 PM
Then change your avatar. Mixed message, etc. Put in there some weak R ticket taker whose virtues you’ll extoll but who’ll let us all down.Is there some magical way Trump can give us more than one more 4 year term? Because I’m selfish, I’m retiring in 3 years, and my retirement can’t take another democrat for a while.
Listen, attempting to fix election weaknesses, nay, TERMINAL ILLNESS, because that’s where we are as the enemy precisely targets states and precincts, is going to be part and parcel of our daily lives until we die, Stan. Yes, we have to get into the same game as the dims as you’ve said earlier. But efforts here and there won’t do it before the cabal collapses everything. Podunk County, Alabama trumpeting how it’s going back to one day, one ballot, blah blah isn’t going to do it in our lifetimes.
I don’t worship any human. Trump is not perfect. But he is the only person on the bleak political landscape who has a real love for this country. “Litigating what happened in the past” points directly to 2020, which stands like a beacon illuminating the perfidy of the imposter Resident and his scumlord handlers.
If not Trump, then someone like him. I’m open. But not particularly trusting of imitations.
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Since the electorate has only given the same party back-to-back presidents twice in the last hundred years, it’s not likely to happen, so a Trump/DeSantis or whomever back to back presidency is remote an very unlikely to happen.
I deserve and demand 8 straight years. Trump can’t give us that.
Post by: nddons on February 14, 2023, 01:15:30 PM
And Haley is in at a huge 11% ;DI think that may be her high water mark.
Post by: nddons on February 14, 2023, 01:24:48 PM
I'd love it if Trump could win the Presidency. My position is that he cannot and will not win. Even if EVERY conservative actually goes out and votes for him.This is exactly correct. Add to the 2020 mix that there are people like me who (1) think he will be too old, and (2) he can only give us 4 more years, if he wins the primary, and it’s fucking legitimate and not “anti-Trump” to want someone younger and fresh.
If you consider all the liberals that HATE Trump so much that they are willing to cheat, and then add in all of the Republican "Never Trumpers" (of which I am NOT one), I don't think he has a prayer's chance in Hell of winning. If I thought he could win I would support and vote for him. I just don't see it. He has become a caricature of himself by his own actions, and there is no fixing that.
If you think that makes me a Trump hater or that means that I want a lib or a swamp creature, that is YOUR perception problem.
But all he is going to do is split the vote and damage any other R that runs and assure that we get another D. And he WILL damage them He will call them names and insult them and in so doing will help energize the real enemy.
So when you add in any more people who don’t want to vote for him, such as for my reasons above, how can you think he can win the general?
Trying to destroy DeSantis implying he’s a pedophile DOES make me anti-Trump. I spent 7 years defending him from unfair attacks, and now he’s pulling the same shit on my preferred candidate. Sorry, that’s just wrong, and any pro-Trump person here ought to be able to at least admit THAT.
Post by: Rush on February 14, 2023, 01:50:44 PM
This is exactly correct. Add to the 2020 mix that there are people like me who (1) think he will be too old, and (2) he can only give us 4 more years, if he wins the primary, and it’s fucking legitimate and not “anti-Trump” to want someone younger and fresh.
So when you add in any more people who don’t want to vote for him, such as for my reasons above, how can you think he can win the general?
Trying to destroy DeSantis implying he’s a pedophile DOES make me anti-Trump. I spent 7 years defending him from unfair attacks, and now he’s pulling the same shit on my preferred candidate. Sorry, that’s just wrong, and any pro-Trump person here ought to be able to at least admit THAT.
Except he’s not a candidate - yet. He’s the only one that might be competition for Trump and even then it’s unlikely he’ll win the primaries, but if he doesn’t even run, what other candidate has a snowball’s chance of beating Trump in the primary. You might be stuck with him whether you want him or not. If that ends up happening, I hope you don’t vote for the Dem or stay home.
Post by: Lucifer on February 14, 2023, 05:36:55 PM
The dims will destroy DeSantis, and envelop him into numerous scandals. The MSM and Big Tech will excoriate him, and his family. If you think the sims hate Trump, just wait to see what they will do to DeSantis.
The UniParty will only accept an establishment type RINO such as Jeb!. They’ll still defeat him electorally, and Jeb! will smile and kindly concede.
Right now in 2024 you are looking at President Newsom.
Post by: Number7 on February 14, 2023, 05:44:02 PM
I would guess as the number of entrants increases her share will decrease. The poll was Just Trump, DeSantis and Haley, which is a bit strange since DeSantis hasn't declared for anything.
I see your point.
The current strategy of the lamestream seems to be to attack Trump, trash DeSantis and see if anyone comes out they can stand...
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 14, 2023, 05:47:30 PM
Post by: nddons on February 14, 2023, 07:01:01 PM
Except he’s not a candidate - yet. He’s the only one that might be competition for Trump and even then it’s unlikely he’ll win the primaries, but if he doesn’t even run, what other candidate has a snowball’s chance of beating Trump in the primary. You might be stuck with him whether you want him or not. If that ends up happening, I hope you don’t vote for the Dem or stay home.You really should know me better that by now.
I think DeSantis is the only other viable candidate who can challenge Trump. Everyone else will be a B-lister who wants a cabinet position.
In 2016 I campaigned for Cruz in Wisconsin and he won Wisconsin, and 10 other state primaries. I think DeSantis would win many more than that.
The best experience for POTUS is being an executive.
The worst presidents were senators.
Post by: nddons on February 14, 2023, 07:04:24 PM
They demonize Trump because they are so afraid of him. Trump represents the forgotten Americans, and gave them hope.You’re a real Herb Brooks.
The dims will destroy DeSantis, and envelop him into numerous scandals. The MSM and Big Tech will excoriate him, and his family. If you think the sims hate Trump, just wait to see what they will do to DeSantis.
The UniParty will only accept an establishment type RINO such as Jeb!. They’ll still defeat him electorally, and Jeb! will smile and kindly concede.
Right now in 2024 you are looking at President Newsom.
Post by: Lucifer on February 14, 2023, 08:10:05 PM
You’re a real Herb Brooks.
I’m a realist. And I’m also analytical. When several here were excoriating me in 2016 (especially that fat fuck loser) because I correctly predicted a Trump victory, in the end I was correct. And I used the same logic I’m using now.
Sorry if what I write frightens you, but it should frighten everyone. As a country, we won’t survive unless we go to action NOW. We’ve watched the feckless republicans piss away almost 7 years.
2020 should have caused the republicans to go apocalyptic, and DEMAND accountability and election investigations. All we got was Ronna McLoser fund raising on it, then disappearing.
Get ready to say “President Newsom”.
Post by: Rush on February 14, 2023, 08:11:31 PM
You really should know me better that by now.
I think DeSantis is the only other viable candidate who can challenge Trump. Everyone else will be a B-lister who wants a cabinet position.
In 2016 I campaigned for Cruz in Wisconsin and he won Wisconsin, and 10 other state primaries. I think DeSantis would win many more than that.
The best experience for POTUS is being an executive.
The worst presidents were senators.
But DeSantis isn’t running. I think I’m having deja vu. Have we had this conversation before?
Post by: nddons on February 14, 2023, 08:41:58 PM
I’m a realist. And I’m also analytical. When several here were excoriating me in 2016 (especially that fat fuck loser) because I correctly predicted a Trump victory, in the end I was correct. And I used the same logic I’m using now.I’ve had cancer so nothing frightens me any more.
Sorry if what I write frightens you, but it should frighten everyone. As a country, we won’t survive unless we go to action NOW. We’ve watched the feckless republicans piss away almost 7 years.
2020 should have caused the republicans to go apocalyptic, and DEMAND accountability and election investigations. All we got was Ronna McLoser fund raising on it, then disappearing.
Get ready to say “President Newsom”.
The one thing that gets me incensed is people just giving up and exiting the fight, because it’s too hard. Kind of like what you seem to be proposing.
Post by: nddons on February 14, 2023, 08:56:55 PM
But DeSantis isn’t running. I think I’m having deja vu. Have we had this conversation before?Rush, I’m well aware that he hasn’t declared that he’s running. But I and millions of other Republicans think that he will, and want him to be our nominee.
Politics is all about timing. DeSantis is at the top of his game so far. He’s changed Florida to a solid red state. He won almost all demographics - 60%+ for all age brackets 40 and up. 64% of men and 53% of women. 58% of Latinos. Every education level. 53% of independents. Every gender by marital status except unmarried women, and he got 49% of that vote. 56% urban, 58% suburban, and 70% of rural.
DeSantis is a winner, and now is his time.
Post by: Lucifer on February 14, 2023, 09:46:21 PM
I’ve had cancer so nothing frightens me any more.
The one thing that gets me incensed is people just giving up and exiting the fight, because it’s too hard. Kind of like what you seem to be proposing.
Bullshit.
Not once have I said "I'm giving up". IN FACT, I've advocated just the opposite. But I'm sick and fucking tired of lame politicians who are to fucking spineless to take a stand, which unfortunately are a large amount of the so called republicans.
The speaker debate was telling. The majority just wanted to elect yet another establishment lackey, and "get along" with the dims. No focus, no agenda.
Hoping for a white knight politician to overcome what is the most corrupt and out of control election fraudsters in the history of this country is pure fucking fantasy. Do the electoral math.
Post by: Lucifer on February 14, 2023, 09:54:17 PM
Rush, I’m well aware that he hasn’t declared that he’s running. But I and millions of other Republicans think that he will, and want him to be our nominee.
Politics is all about timing. DeSantis is at the top of his game so far. He’s changed Florida to a solid red state. He won almost all demographics - 60%+ for all age brackets 40 and up. 64% of men and 53% of women. 58% of Latinos. Every education level. 53% of independents. Every gender by marital status except unmarried women, and he got 49% of that vote. 56% urban, 58% suburban, and 70% of rural.
DeSantis is a winner, and now is his time.
He's a winner in Florida because he and the legislature cleaned up their election laws, and took direct oversight. Florida had one of the cleanest elections in the country, and the results are telling. But DeSantis must now campaign on a national level where he doesn't have control over other states.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how DeSantis will do this in PA, GA, MI, WI, NM, WI, NV and AZ to name a few. How does he overcome hundreds of thousands of ballots being mailed out, no signature validation, drop boxes, mules, voting machines with the wrong paper, and a multitude of other problems?
Post by: Little Joe on February 15, 2023, 04:36:32 AM
He's a winner in Florida because he and the legislature cleaned up their election laws, and took direct oversight. Florida had one of the cleanest elections in the country, and the results are telling. But DeSantis must now campaign on a national level where he doesn't have control over other states.My answer to that is that we all keep fighting the fight that you say we need to do. We need to shine a bright light on those known pockets of fraud. Even WAPO will print it if the evidence is convincing. Just jumping up and down and yelling "they cheated they cheated" isn't proof.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain how DeSantis will do this in PA, GA, MI, WI, NM, WI, NV and AZ to name a few. How does he overcome hundreds of thousands of ballots being mailed out, no signature validation, drop boxes, mules, voting machines with the wrong paper, and a multitude of other problems?
Then we nominate someone that has a chance of winning. And at this point, as much as I like DeSantis, I'm not sure he's the shoe-in winner because he is too closely tied to Trump. Perhaps Trump's temper tantrums towards DeSantis will help dispel that notion.
Post by: Rush on February 15, 2023, 04:54:10 AM
My answer to that is that we all keep fighting the fight that you say we need to do. We need to shine a bright light on those known pockets of fraud. Even WAPO will print it if the evidence is convincing. Just jumping up and down and yelling "they cheated they cheated" isn't proof.
Then we nominate someone that has a chance of winning. And at this point, as much as I like DeSantis, I'm not sure he's the shoe-in winner because he is too closely tied to Trump. Perhaps Trump's temper tantrums towards DeSantis will help dispel that notion.
Trump’s lawyers and plenty of others were shining bright lights in 2020 and they were canceled and suppressed by “the machine” which includes the media, corrupt federal agencies, and compromised judiciaries. I’m not saying not to keep trying, but we have a hell of a monster to fight.
Those of you who don’t like Trump seem to think another Republican has a better chance to win, but you seem to be missing the fact that any Republican who is what we need - someone who will take on the machine - will also be cheated out of winning. Any Republican that has a better chance of winning than that will be a Uniparty RINO with no interest in dismantling this Godzilla of an overlord.
It’s as if you have a fantasy that:
1. DeSantis will run
2. DeSantis has a better chance of winning against the Dems than Trump
3. DeSantis will work on draining the swamp like Trump only be nicer, younger, and less hated
I understand wishful thinking but I see no evidence that any of those three things are actually true.
Post by: Little Joe on February 15, 2023, 05:07:52 AM
Trump’s lawyers and plenty of others were shining bright lights in 2020 and they were canceled and suppressed by “the machine” which includes the media, corrupt federal agencies, and compromised judiciaries. I’m not saying not to keep trying, but we have a hell of a monster to fight.That's because nobody in the media believed a thing he said, and his advisors like Giuliani were perceived as clowns.
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Those of you who don’t like Trump seem to think another Republican has a better chance to win,Can you honestly not see the difference between:
1. Trump can't win because too many people hate him too much.
and
2. I hate Trump.
Post by: Little Joe on February 15, 2023, 05:11:17 AM
I absolutely hate the University of Georgia.
I love my Alma Mater (Georgia Tech).
Georgia is going to play in a major bowl, which I desperately want them to lose.
Should I hope Ga Tech gets the bid to try to beat UGA?
Or should I hope a team like Alabama, that actually has a chance, gets the bid, even though I hate Alabama too?
Post by: Rush on February 15, 2023, 05:13:45 AM
That's because nobody in the media believed a thing he said, and his advisors like Giuliani were perceived as clowns.
Can you honestly not see the difference between:
1. Trump can't win because too many people hate him too much.
and
2. I hate Trump.
It works the other way around. Giuliani was never a clown until he got behind Trump.
Yes I see the difference, I don’t think you hate Trump.
Post by: Rush on February 15, 2023, 05:14:51 AM
Try this to help you understand the difference I mentioned above:
I absolutely hate the University of Georgia.
I love my Alma Mater (Georgia Tech).
Georgia is going to play in a major bowl, which I desperately want them to lose.
Should I hope Ga Tech gets the bid to try to beat UGA?
Or should I hope a team like Alabama, that actually has a chance, gets the bid, even though I hate Alabama too?
Sports analogies go over my head. ;D
Post by: Rush on February 15, 2023, 06:14:29 AM
Rush, I’m well aware that he hasn’t declared that he’s running. But I and millions of other Republicans think that he will, and want him to be our nominee.
Politics is all about timing. DeSantis is at the top of his game so far. He’s changed Florida to a solid red state. He won almost all demographics - 60%+ for all age brackets 40 and up. 64% of men and 53% of women. 58% of Latinos. Every education level. 53% of independents. Every gender by marital status except unmarried women, and he got 49% of that vote. 56% urban, 58% suburban, and 70% of rural.
DeSantis is a winner, and now is his time.
I think his time is 2028. I don’t think he has a chance to win the Republican nomination for 2024. I understand you’re desperate not to have a Dem win in 2024 and I’m 100% on board with that. I don’t think this nation can survive another Dem term, I’m not even sure it will survive the next two years. But I’m being realistic. In a face off between the two, Trump will win.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 15, 2023, 06:15:27 AM
Post by: Little Joe on February 15, 2023, 06:20:24 AM
I think his time is 2028. I don’t think he has a chance to win the Republican nomination for 2024. I understand you’re desperate not to have a Dem win in 2024 and I’m 100% on board with that. I don’t think this nation can survive another Dem term, I’m not even sure it will survive the next two years. But I’m being realistic. In a face off between the two, Trump will win.In a direct face off in a Republican primary, Trump might win. But even if he wins by 80%, that is all Republicans voting and at best 28% of the voting population. In the General, you have Dems and Independents voting. That's where I don't think Trump has a chance, so sending Trump to the General is a losing proposition.
If we do that, then Lucifer will be proven right.
Post by: nddons on February 15, 2023, 06:32:42 AM
I think his time is 2028. I don’t think he has a chance to win the Republican nomination for 2024. I understand you’re desperate not to have a Dem win in 2024 and I’m 100% on board with that. I don’t think this nation can survive another Dem term, I’m not even sure it will survive the next two years. But I’m being realistic. In a face off between the two, Trump will win.What matters is who will win in the general election. I don’t see any path for Trump to win in Nov 2024. With or without fraud.
I see a reverse of 2016, when democrats were certain Hillary was going to win. She got slaughtered.
Post by: nddons on February 15, 2023, 06:35:00 AM
We need to see how DeSantis does with this Disney thing. That's a big thing to take on and take over. How much is it going to cost to take over maintaining the infrastructure on the Disney property? How about providing police and fire services there? Has he bitten off more than he can chew?I don’t fully understand this and maybe Little Joe can fill us in.
But what we heard last year was a promise, and what we heard last week was execution, by getting a bill passed by the legislature. He followed through, and didn’t make an empty promise.
Post by: Rush on February 15, 2023, 06:37:45 AM
In a direct face off in a Republican primary, Trump might win. But even if he wins by 80%, that is all Republicans voting and at best 28% of the voting population. In the General, you have Dems and Independents voting. That's where I don't think Trump has a chance, so sending Trump to the General is a losing proposition.
If we do that, then Lucifer will be proven right.
Even if you are right about the general, I don’t think you’re right about the primary. Unless something abnormal happens, like Trump pulls a Fetterman, DeSantis can’t beat him in the primary. So what are you going to do about it? Try to get DeSantis to abandon the Florida governorship to campaign for president and create division among the Republican primary voters, further damaging Trump, and himself in the process for a future 2028 run?
Besides, we need to see more of how DeSantis governs. I don’t fully trust him yet.
Post by: Little Joe on February 15, 2023, 07:03:36 AM
Even if you are right about the general, I don’t think you’re right about the primary. Unless something abnormal happens, like Trump pulls a Fetterman, DeSantis can’t beat him in the primary. So what are you going to do about it? Try to get DeSantis to abandon the Florida governorship to campaign for president and create division among the Republican primary voters, further damaging Trump, and himself in the process for a future 2028 run?DeSantis was my Congressman for 4 years and governor for 5. I never recall him backing off on a promise, and he actually delivered on almost all of his promises. That's a pretty damn good record in a two party system, especially whem that majority of the media is against him in every way. How much more time does he need to prove himself? Till he's as old as Biden and Trump?
Besides, we need to see more of how DeSantis governs. I don’t fully trust him yet.
And what did I say about the primary that you disagree with? We both said Trump would probably win the primary. IF he does, I think he will lose the general, so what I want to do is to try to get the party to come together around a candidate that CAN win the General. And that is NOT Trump.
Post by: Username on February 15, 2023, 07:21:36 AM
In a direct face off in a Republican primary, Trump might win. But even if he wins by 80%, that is all Republicans voting and at best 28% of the voting population. In the General, you have Dems and Independents voting. That's where I don't think Trump has a chance, so sending Trump to the General is a losing proposition.My prediction is that Trump will win the primary against any opponent. Why? Because democrats will cross over and make sure that he wins simply because they hate him and he's the easiest target to take down. They have eight years of propaganda on their side. All other Republicans are unknown quantities. Once he wins the nomination, then democrat victory is assured with cheating, FBI, MSM, and deep state collusion. Not what I want, but that's what we'll get. Another four years of a basement-hiding sock puppet.
If we do that, then Lucifer will be proven right.
Post by: Rush on February 15, 2023, 07:26:34 AM
DeSantis was my Congressman for 4 years and governor for 5. I never recall him backing off on a promise, and he actually delivered on almost all of his promises. That's a pretty damn good record in a two party system, especially whem that majority of the media is against him in every way. How much more time does he need to prove himself? Till he's as old as Biden and Trump?
And what did I say about the primary that you disagree with? We both said Trump would probably win the primary. IF he does, I think he will lose the general, so what I want to do is to try to get the party to come together around a candidate that CAN win the General. And that is NOT Trump.
You are illustrating one of the biggest problems with DeSantis. I forgot you’re in Florida. You know him very well, and he polls very well in Florida, beating Trump. But the nation west of the Mississippi doesn’t know him. We’re not up to speed with years long history of familiarity, and I don’t think there is time for DeSantis to build that in time for the primaries. DeSantis would be safer waiting til 2028, building his national reputation in the meantime, and not dividing conservative voters by positioning himself against the most iconic and iconoclastic president of all time. He’d lose the primary, and damage his image going in to 2028.
Post by: Little Joe on February 15, 2023, 07:39:44 AM
Post by: Mr Pou on February 15, 2023, 07:41:57 AM
Do you honestly think Trump can win the general?
I do not. Not that I don’t want him to win again, but to most hrs to toxic at this point.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 07:57:07 AM
My answer to that is that we all keep fighting the fight that you say we need to do. We need to shine a bright light on those known pockets of fraud. Even WAPO will print it if the evidence is convincing. Just jumping up and down and yelling "they cheated they cheated" isn't proof.
I realize you put very little effort into staying informed, or even actually looking at issues. That's very evident.
The "bright light" has been put on election fraud over and over. There are mountains of evidence in the forms of affidavits, videos, paper evidence, code sourcing, etc, etc that have been ignored, seen legal jujitsu by activist judges and even the establishment republicans have ignored.
The evidence is beyond convincing, and has been. The democrat communist and the UniParty are not about to surrender the one tool they have worked decades to achieve, and they are not going to let their judges, media or Big Tech partners admit to the fraud.
Have you even been keeping up with what is happening in Arizona? There's the latest in the chapter of electioneering where the evidence is so damning, yet we see little to no effort to correct the problems.
Then we nominate someone that has a chance of winning. And at this point, as much as I like DeSantis, I'm not sure he's the shoe-in winner because he is too closely tied to Trump. Perhaps Trump's temper tantrums towards DeSantis will help dispel that notion.
The 2024 election is 19 months away. Many of the battleground states still have voting "laws" that were changed by activist judges, state SoS and Governors over the scamdemic. Those changes were and still are unconstitutional, yet they remain in place. State legislatures have refused to change the laws, or to challenge them in court. State Supreme courts won't hear cases, and the USSC has even denied hearing election cases.
Even if a huge effort was placed right now, today, to start challenging these laws and put everything right, 19 months is not enough time.
The republicans should have fought with everything they had in 2020/2021. They should have assembled an army of lawyers, and showed party unity to bring a halt to these crimes against the citizens of the US. Instead, they used it to fund raise, then went on their merry way cutting deals with the UniParty.
The republicans in every state should have brought the state legislatures to a halt until the problems were resolved, and the congress and senate republicans should have stopped all deal making until this was resolved. They didn't.
Oh, don't worry, 2022 will be a "red wave" and we'll sweep in, take control and fix it all then! And here we go again, we watched PA, MI, WI, GA, AZ, NM and others do what they did in 2020, with no consequences.
And now you and others think nominating a particular individual will somehow make everything right, and the communist will somehow stop the fraud?
Delusional.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 15, 2023, 08:53:58 AM
Once you understand that “vote” has little to no meaning at present, “run,” “electable,” “chance of winning,” “likeable,” and so on have no meaning whatsoever.
As an aside, in the area of Ohio where the train derailed, voters went 71% for Trump and 20% for Biden.
I can’t believe the level of delusion where someone could think that a 2020 landslide for Trump (which is what happened; there’s proof everywhere) indicates anything but an acute awareness by the great majority of Americans that government, as Trump said and never has backed down on, is rigged against us and is arraying its vast (funded by us) resources against us.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 09:23:17 AM
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Three of the 10 counties chosen as beneficiaries of a program from the nonprofit that helped fund the private takeover of government election offices in 2020 are refusing to accept those dollars leading up to the 2024 cycle.
Election officials from Brunswick and Forsyth Counties in North Carolina and Ottawa County in Michigan have chosen not to accept funds from the U.S. Alliance for Election Excellence, a program that plans to funnel $80 million in election grants to jurisdictions across the country over the next five years. The alliance is a project of the Center for Tech and Civic Life, one of two groups that funneled over $328 million of private money from Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, known as “Zuckbucks,” to government election offices mostly in the blue counties of swing states, mobilizing Democratic get-out-the-vote efforts and swinging the race in Joe Biden’s favor.
Many of the jurisdictions chosen as recipients for the 2024 cycle lean heavily Democrat and are located in swing states, indicating CTCL is hoping to replicate its successful scheme in the next presidential election in purple states Democrats need to win, such as Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin, and North Carolina. While CTCL might once again try to hide its efforts by claiming the alliance is also giving money to red counties, expect more than double or triple the funds to be spent on Democratic-leaning counties compared to Republican ones, just like in 2020.
Ottawa County Clerk Justin Roebuck told RealClearInvestigations he will refuse the grant money offered to his county because of transparency concerns. When Roebuck asked the alliance about its criteria for the amount of money given to each county, those running the program refused to give a clear answer.
Tim Tsujii, director of elections for the Forsyth County Board of Elections, told RealClear that Forsyth will not take any grant money because the county has adequate funds to administer its elections. Forsyth and Brunswick Counties will still be part of the alliance, but Tsujii raised concerns about members having to pay a fee for being part of the program.
“There is all this talk about the money going to elections offices and the counties, but what about the money going from the counties to the alliance?” Tsujii said.
To be a part of the alliance, election offices must pay an annual fee, $1,600 for a basic membership or $4,800 for premium, which the CTCL-created program says gives officials access to “coaching,” tutorials, consulting, and any other as-needed hand-holding, such as revamping voter forms and websites. The alliance also obligates members “to make non-monetary (but highly significant) contributions to the broader activities of the Alliance,” such as participating in its events and sharing election data, documents, and forms.
While the program goes to great lengths to stress its “commitment to nonpartisanship” — “We will never attempt to influence the outcome of any election. Period” — its own founding organization, the Center for Tech and Civic Life, has demonstrated the catastrophic and deeply partisan consequences of welcoming outside groups to infiltrate government election offices.
These three jurisdictions are not the only beneficiaries raising concerns about the integrity of the alliance and the problems associated with accepting its funds. The town of Greenwich, Connecticut, narrowly approved a $500,000 grant from the program after town representatives and concerned residents wrote a letter to their local newspaper signaling their opposition to accepting the grant. The letter cited outside influence by the partisan groups in Greenwich’s election process as one reason to reject the funds.
As RealClearInvestigations noted:
When [Greenwich] residents heard that its elections office was tapped to receive $500,000 in grant money from the CTCL, a member of the town’s legislative council sent an email to the center seeking more information, including audits of the group’s books, a copy of the group’s annual report, and its conflict-of-interest policy.
The CTCL declined to provide the documents, insisting that its audited financials and conflict policies “are not publicly filed documents.”
The alliance has also failed to disclose how exactly the grant money will be used, instead keeping things vague and saying it will vary depending on each office. But if CTCL’s past is prologue, that could mean working with left-wing third-party groups to create absentee ballot forms, targeting likely-Democratic voters by harvesting and curing their ballots, and crafting automatic voter registration systems. The Center for Tech and Civic Life is already hoping to do this on a much broader scale than in 2020. As The Federalist previously reported, CTCL has an elaborate plan to infiltrate more than 8,000 local election departments across the country by 2026.
That county election officials and town leaders are suspicious of the alliance and are starting to opt out of its grant money should set off alarm bells for other jurisdictions committed to conducting free and fair elections. Unless more localities reject these private funds and memberships, CTCL — under the guise of its new U.S. Alliance for Election Excellence program — will once again undermine election integrity in 2024 and beyond.
Post by: Rush on February 15, 2023, 09:26:57 AM
Do you honestly think Trump can win the general?
I think DeSantis does not have a bigger chance to win than Trump because I think the Dems will cheat to prevent either from winning no matter which it is. So I might as well support Trump because he’s a proven in the White House, and can fund himself and therefore is incorruptible.
Post by: Little Joe on February 15, 2023, 10:26:11 AM
I think DeSantis does not have a bigger chance to win than Trump because I think the Dems will cheat to prevent either from winning no matter which it is. So I might as well support Trump because he’s a proven in the White House, and can fund himself and therefore is incorruptible.So you've given up too. :(
Post by: Little Joe on February 15, 2023, 10:28:43 AM
I realize you put very little effort into staying informed, or even actually looking at issues. That's very evident.HaHa. Go ahead and believe that.
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Delusional.Well, one of us is.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 10:34:55 AM
HaHa. Go ahead and believe that.Well, one of us is.
Name the top 10 contenders for the republican nomination in 2024 as of today.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 10:37:18 AM
Post by: Rush on February 15, 2023, 11:11:54 AM
So you've given up too. :(
No, do you define “giving up” as voting for Trump in the primary?
Post by: Rush on February 15, 2023, 11:15:40 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-changes-tune-on-mail-in-voting-ballot-collection-fa7193be?mod=djemalertNEWS
It won’t fix it. The GOP can embrace mail in ballots, ballot harvesting and early voting but unless they also embrace cheating it won’t change a thing. The Dems will still copy ballots, have dead people vote, have illegals vote, pay homeless to vote, and hack vote counting computers.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 15, 2023, 11:18:07 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-changes-tune-on-mail-in-voting-ballot-collection-fa7193be?mod=djemalertNEWS
hmmm, the quoted statements sound suspiciously like "Mr Trump" is advocating using DNC tactics (aka cheating) to gain a victory.
What are the odds that some of the liberals will suddenly become aware of the multitude of ways the mail-in ballots, etc, have no integrity?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 15, 2023, 11:45:11 AM
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Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is encouraging Florida Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis to stand down in 2024 and throw his support behind Donald Trump.
https://conservativebrief.com/palin-desantis-70853/
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 11:48:41 AM
It won’t fix it. The GOP can embrace mail in ballots, ballot harvesting and early voting but unless they also embrace cheating it won’t change a thing. The Dems will still copy ballots, have dead people vote, have illegals vote, pay homeless to vote, and hack vote counting computers.
Mail in voting: This is convenient for the dims in that they simply delete signature validation and use voter rolls to mail out. Most state voter rolls are years out of date, filled with non residents and dead people. So where a current household has 2 real voters, just use that address for the former occupants as well. So it's conceivable to send out 10 ballots for an address with 2 people. And there are 8 additional ballots in the system.
Ballot Harvesting: Send out harvesters, pay them per ballot retrieved. They fill out ballots, put in the bag and deposit at either a voting center or drop box. This multiplies the vote tremendously. And with lax verifications, ballots are not rejected.
Voting machines. Mountains of forensic evidence is already there. This is why many countries forbid their use.
Voting center "volunteers". Just pick your own people to count. Have them pull out suitcases after hours filled with perfectly printed ballots (for their candidate) and run through tabulators multiple time.
Election day: In heavy republican districts, slightly change the ballot to where voting machines jam, or have a big tech "glitch" where those machines go bad. Ask voters to hand their ballots in to be "counted later". Said ballots are discarded.
Three years and counting, and this has been fixed, in fact, it's got worse.
But the low information types believe putting a white knight on the ballot, and the dims suddenly will stop the steal. Fantasy.
Post by: Anthony on February 15, 2023, 11:57:37 AM
I’ve had cancer so nothing frightens me any more.
The one thing that gets me incensed is people just giving up and exiting the fight, because it’s too hard. Kind of like what you seem to be proposing.
I'm giving up because people, in general, aren't willing to do what's necessary because that is really hard. I can't do it alone.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 12:07:53 PM
I'm giving up because people, in general, aren't willing to do what's necessary because that is really hard. I can't do it alone.
The infuriating part are the elected officials who refuse to represent the people that elected them. None of my representatives (congressman, senators or governor, all republican) have taken a stand on vote integrity. Sure, they've made a few sound bites because it is useful for fund raising, but no action beyond that.
When the party getting hammered would rather stand down and go along with the UniParty, we have a major problem. But to complicate that problem, are the apathetic voters who keep these career politicians in office.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 15, 2023, 12:20:53 PM
Whatever cheating was attempted there was ineffective in keeping him from winning.
Is Youngkin's approach to getting elected and his policies once in office more like Trump or more like DeSantis?
Youngkin's approval rating continues to fare well:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/glenn-youngkin-in-rare-territory-56-approval-virginia-ascending (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/glenn-youngkin-in-rare-territory-56-approval-virginia-ascending)
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 12:34:20 PM
What were the strategy and tactics that Republican Youngkin used to win in a blue state like Virginia?
Whatever cheating was attempted there was ineffective in keeping him from winning.
Is Youngkin's approach to getting elected and his policies once in office more like Trump or more like DeSantis?
Youngkin's approval rating continues to fare well:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/glenn-youngkin-in-rare-territory-56-approval-virginia-ascending (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/glenn-youngkin-in-rare-territory-56-approval-virginia-ascending)
Like Trump in 2016, Youngkin overwhelmed the system. The cheating was there, but the dims severely under estimated his popularity. As in 2016, the dims believed their own bullshit and phony polls and thought they had him defeated.
Remember, outside of NE VA, the state is very red. It's the liberals around the counties near DC that often control the vote for statewide office. A full court election steal in VA would have been an uphill battle so the dims throttled it down because they felt they had it in the bag.
The only way Youngkin may see a second term is if he and the state legislature do what DeSantis did in Florida with regards to state wide election integrity. The dims desperately want VA to turn blue, and will pull out the stops unless changes are made now.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 12:38:00 PM
For her to watch Biden/Harris get into the WH with zero effort has pushed her over the edge. ;D
Post by: nddons on February 15, 2023, 01:59:10 PM
You are illustrating one of the biggest problems with DeSantis. I forgot you’re in Florida. You know him very well, and he polls very well in Florida, beating Trump. But the nation west of the Mississippi doesn’t know him. We’re not up to speed with years long history of familiarity, and I don’t think there is time for DeSantis to build that in time for the primaries. DeSantis would be safer waiting til 2028, building his national reputation in the meantime, and not dividing conservative voters by positioning himself against the most iconic and iconoclastic president of all time. He’d lose the primary, and damage his image going in to 2028.Did anyone know George W Bush, Bill Clinton, or Jimmy Carter before they ran? Ronald Reagan was an actor, so he had more preexisting name recognition, but I will argue that DeSantis is more well known than almost any other governor in the nation besides Newsome.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 02:31:16 PM
Did anyone know George W Bush, Bill Clinton, or Jimmy Carter before they ran? Ronald Reagan was an actor, so he had more preexisting name recognition, but I will argue that DeSantis is more well known than almost any other governor in the nation besides Newsome.
DeSantis has name recognition because the MSM and Big Tech have been excoriating him and smearing him.
So the low information types equate him to being a horrible governor, "don't say gay", homophobe, white supremacist type.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/joy-reid-desantis-florida-rcna70683
https://www.vice.com/en/article/akexpa/ron-desantis-sat
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/10/us/politics/ron-desantis-news-media.html
https://www.miamiherald.com/detour/article272511208.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/15/ron-desantis-black-leaders-protest/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/09/politics/kfile-ron-desantis-privatize-social-security-medicare/index.html
and so on...............
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 02:33:31 PM
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Liberals Shouldn’t Fear Ron DeSantis
Ron DeSantis is the popular governor of a racially diverse state with a substantial Democratic population. He is also a reactionary.
In the New York Times, Pamela Paul argues that liberals have a lot to learn from these two facts. The columnist implores her fellow Democrats to avoid writing DeSantis off as “another unelectable right-wing lunatic unfit for national office.” Rather than dismissing the Florida governor and his supporters as “racist, homophobic, transphobic, and xenophobic,” Paul advises liberals to reflect on his political strengths.
She explains that, unlike Donald Trump, DeSantis was a star student at an Ivy League school. It’s therefore likely that he “knows what he’s doing” when he scandalizes progressives. He is a savvy political actor, if his approval rating is any guide. Democrats should therefore seek to learn from his example. It isn’t clear precisely what Paul believes we should learn.
She notes that many voters approved of DeSantis’s denigration of all manner of anti-COVID policies (including vaccination, which imposes few costs on personal freedom as it dramatically reduces COVID fatalities). She concedes that it’s worth condemning his decision to send desperate migrants to Martha’s Vineyard in a misbegotten bid to expose liberals’ supposed hypocrisy. But she observes that many Hispanic Floridians actually approved of the policy.
DeSantis’s Stop WOKE Act, which prohibits discussion of sensitive racial issues in the classroom, may be antithetical to free speech, but Paul insists some parents are “tired of racial and ethnic divisiveness and the overt politicization of what’s taught in the classroom.” (Why parents who merely oppose the “politicization” of curricula would be pleased by a partisan legislature forbidding entire topics from classroom discussion is not explained.) DeSantis’s so-called Don’t Say Gay law may forbid a teacher from explaining why one of her students has two mothers, yet it also, according to Paul, has “reasonable and legitimate attractions” for parents worried that their gender-confused children may be socially transitioned without their consent.
Paul’s overarching argument — that liberals should not assume a politician who offends their sensibilities can’t win the presidency — is indisputably true. But it’s not clear who precisely is trying to dispute it. Paul does not quote a single liberal writer or politician making the claim that DeSantis could not possibly defeat Joe Biden in 2024. After Trump won an Electoral College majority while campaigning in support of mass murdering Muslim prisoners of war with bullets dipped in pigs’ blood, few progressives believe the United States is incapable of electing a president with noxious views.
The fact that DeSantis has managed to comport himself as an unabashedly illiberal right-wing governor while commanding popular support in a state that is only 53 percent non-Hispanic white is certainly concerning. And it challenges blue America’s conventional wisdom about “the Hispanic vote” circa 2013. But Trump’s gains with nonwhite voters in 2020 have already prompted two years of liberal introspection about the cross-racial appeal of right-wing populism. It’s unclear what specifically Paul believes Democrats should do to combat it.
Her piece does appear to endorse DeSantis’s “Don’t Say Gay” law on the merits without actually arguing for it in any detail. The column also seems to imply that Democrats should consider moving rightward on immigration and distancing themselves from “woke” identity politics but does not say this explicitly. Liberals should not assume that “the best way to defang DeSantis” is “to mock and belittle him,” Paul writes. What is the best way to defeat him goes unexplained.
Generally speaking, it is wiser to overestimate one’s political rivals than to underestimate them. But it would nevertheless be a mistake for Democrats to grow so awed by a Florida governor with a 56 percent approval rating as to conclude that their only hope for keeping a reactionary out of the White House is to become more reactionary themselves.
DeSantis’s much-publicized political strengths are paired with underexposed weaknesses. And the issues on which he is most vulnerable — Medicare, Social Security, and abortion rights — are far more nationally salient than his crusades against “wokeness” in public schools.
Before his present incarnation as a populist purple-state governor, DeSantis was a pro-austerity, right-wing House member. In his 2011 book, he wrote that the U.S. Constitution was designed to “prevent the redistribution of wealth through the political process” and that this was commendable because “when the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” He further lamented that “popular pressure to redistribute wealth or otherwise undermine the rights of property … will ever be present.”
In other words, the self-styled “populist” argued that democracy is inherently dangerous since ordinary voters are sometimes able to pursue their economic interests through the political process — interests that include the progressive redistribution of income. Thus, DeSantis implied that the very existence of social-welfare programs that take resources from the wealthy and transfer them to the middle class, poor, and elderly is a violation of property rights and inherently tyrannical.
Although Congressman DeSantis did not go so far as to propose the wholesale abolition of all transfer programs, his congressional record is largely of a piece with his libertarian musings. During his 2012 congressional campaign, DeSantis expressed support for privatizing Social Security and Medicare. In 2013 and 2014, DeSantis deemed Paul Ryan’s infamous proposals for balancing the federal budgets insufficiently austere. Instead, as Josh Barro notes, DeSantis voted to replace those proposals with the Republican Study Committee’s more radical budget blueprints. The RSC’s 2013 fiscal vision would have raised the age of eligibility for Social Security and Medicare to 70, slowed the growth of Social Security benefits, and ended Medicare as we’d known it, transforming the program from a health-insurance entitlement to a stipend that wouldn’t necessarily increase with rising health-care costs.
In the decade since that proposal, the percentage of U.S. voters who rely on Social Security and Medicare has only grown. Perhaps not coincidentally, the idea of cutting such entitlement benefits has only become more politically toxic. Whereas the House GOP of 2013 argued unabashedly for shrinking Medicare and Social Security, today’s Republican Caucus has already vowed to spare cuts to those programs in any debt-ceiling deal. In a recent Pew poll of voters’ priorities, “reducing health-care costs” came in second behind “strengthening the economy.” Restricting eligibility for Medicare and cutting its benefits would seem antithetical to satisfying that concern. The issues DeSantis has concentrated on and Paul advises liberals to concern themselves with — such as public schools’ handling of racial and gender issues — do not rank in any recent survey of voters’ priorities.
Meanwhile, DeSantis’s record on abortion is poised to grow more politically vexing. At present, Florida bans abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy with no exceptions for cases of rape or incest. Before the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade last year, polls often found plurality support for banning abortion after 15 weeks. There is some evidence that Americans have become less tolerant of abortion bans now that they are becoming more commonplace. In a YouGov poll from last September, only 39 percent of voters endorsed a 15-week ban. Regardless, it is doubtlessly true that there is considerably more popular support for banning abortion after 15 weeks than there is for doing so earlier in a pregnancy.
Yet the vast majority of abortions are performed within those first 15 weeks; therefore Florida conservatives are eager for a more comprehensive ban. For his part, DeSantis may want to get a more thoroughgoing ban into law himself so as to shore up Evangelical support in the GOP primary. A little over a week ago, he appeared to signal an openness to signing a ban on abortions after the fetus attains a heartbeat, which generally occurs in the first six weeks of pregnancy. Florida state senate president Kathleen Passidomo is advocating for a 12-week ban, but the Florida Family Policy Council believes the “heartbeat” bill is more likely to move forward. Even if DeSantis doesn’t sign such a bill into law, a competitive GOP primary will likely force him to endorse draconian abortion restrictions if not an outright ban.
In last year’s midterms, voters consistently listed abortion as one of their top issues. The available data strongly suggests that voters’ opposition to the GOP’s reproductive agenda enabled Democrats to retain the Senate and limit Republican gains in the House. In a recent Gallup poll, the percentage of Americans who favored “less strict” abortion laws exceeded the percentage who favored “stricter” ones by a 46 to 15 percent margin. That represents the highest level of support for loosening abortion restrictions in the history of Gallup’s survey.
DeSantis’s landslide reelection was impressive, but there is reason to think Florida’s politics have become increasingly unrepresentative of the nation as a whole. And whatever his approval rating, the fundamental reality is that DeSantis is much more conservative than the median U.S. voter. Just a few years ago, he was among the most right-wing members of a historically reactionary House Republican Caucus. It is possible that he is the most “electable” Republican who could survive a GOP primary. But that says more about the radicalization of the Republican primary electorate than it does about the breadth of DeSantis’s appeal.
Biden remains an unpopular president, and U.S. voters remain unhappy with inflation. Were Republicans capable of nominating a (relatively) moderate figure like former Maryland governor Larry Hogan, Democrats’ 2024 prospects might look poor. But a short, charisma-free, nasal-voiced proponent of Social Security cuts and abortion bans is not an especially fearsome adversary. Conventional Democratic politics — which is to say, promising to sustain entitlements by taxing the rich and to protect abortion rights by beating back the Bible-thumpers — is quite plausibly equal to the challenge of Ron DeSantis. And in his State of the Union on Tuesday night, Biden showed he remains more than fluent in such politics.
Democrats may have some things to learn from DeSantis’s success. But the party has no great need for lessons in how to simultaneously appeal to Evangelicals in the panhandle and anti-woke book reviewers in Manhattan.
Post by: Anthony on February 15, 2023, 04:15:53 PM
As a side note, right now is why Hillary is going batshit (again) because she sees the dims have an electoral lock on 2024, and if she could just get the nomination she wins. However, she is not far enough left, and the communist within the democrat party don't want her.
For her to watch Biden/Harris get into the WH with zero effort has pushed her over the edge. ;D
It's amazing Hillary isn't far enough LEFT. That's how far gone we are.
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 15, 2023, 04:30:43 PM
It's amazing Hillary isn't far enough LEFT. That's how far gone we are.
She has no hard political positions, just political ambition. You do realize in her early teens she was a Goldwater Republican? By her own account that changed in college.
Post by: Anthony on February 15, 2023, 04:31:59 PM
She has no hard political positions, just political ambition. You do realize in her early teens she was a Goldwater Republican? By her own account that changed in college.
Agreed. Yes, I did know she's indicated that. However, she's used purely Leftist dogma, since, to advance. She should have stayed a Senator, career wise, but her ambition got the best of her yet again.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 04:32:19 PM
She has no hard political positions, just political ambition. You do realize in her early teens she was a Goldwater Republican? By her own account that changed in college.
Hillary has made many unfounded statements about her past.
Post by: elwood blues on February 15, 2023, 05:13:04 PM
hmmm, the quoted statements sound suspiciously like "Mr Trump" is advocating using DNC tactics (aka cheating) to gain a victory.
That probably terrifies democrats.
Post by: Number7 on February 15, 2023, 06:22:31 PM
DeSantis has name recognition because the MSM and Big Tech have been excoriating him and smearing him.
So the low information types equate him to being a horrible governor, "don't say gay", homophobe, white supremacist type.
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/joy-reid-desantis-florida-rcna70683
https://www.vice.com/en/article/akexpa/ron-desantis-sat
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/10/us/politics/ron-desantis-news-media.html
https://www.miamiherald.com/detour/article272511208.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/02/15/ron-desantis-black-leaders-protest/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/09/politics/kfile-ron-desantis-privatize-social-security-medicare/index.html
and so on...............
What the lefty queer mafia don’t understand is that those things are very popular with normal humans.
The freak show joe the pedophile is running is not.
Post by: Lucifer on February 15, 2023, 07:52:43 PM
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Democrat Gov. Tony Evers proposed a series of changes to Wisconsin’s election laws on Monday as part of his new budget proposal, and predictably, they do nothing to enhance the integrity of the state’s electoral process — quite the opposite.
Among the several changes included in Evers’ 2023-2025 budget proposal is the creation of an automatic voter registration system, which would use data from the Department of Transportation to auto-add “eligible” Wisconsinites to the state’s voter rolls. To accomplish this, the Wisconsin Elections Commission, which infamously broke numerous state laws in the 2020 election, would be granted $172,000 in taxpayer funds to “facilitate the initial registration of all eligible electors,” while another $349,000 would be doled out to the state’s DOT to “address one-time costs” associated with the new system, according to an Evers press release.
Despite proclamations from Democrats that automatic voter registration is a win for democracy, analyses of the system have shown it to be ripe for human error, such as the entering of incorrect voter information by inexperienced DMV officials and the registration of non-U.S. citizens. In fact, Evers has already advocated for the DOT to issue driver’s licenses to noncitizens, which would make erroneous noncitizen registrations even more likely if that push by the governor is successful in the future.
In 2019, Evers introduced a budget with a provision seeking to make noncitizens eligible for state-issued driver’s licenses, with the Democrat governor baselessly claiming such a policy would make Wisconsin’s “roads and … communities safer.” The state’s Republican-controlled legislature ultimately rejected the proposal.
Evers’ new budget proposal also seeks to mandate that all public, private, and tribal high schools “offer voter registration for enrolled students and staff” and shorten the amount of time a Wisconsin resident must live in a locality in order to vote. The former proposition is just one example of the ongoing nationwide push by Democrats to increase their political prospects among young and soon-to-be-eligible voters.
According to Evers’ press release, the governor is furthermore calling for the creation of an Office of Election Transparency and Compliance, which, if approved by the state legislature, would receive $2 million over the next two years and be “provided resources to improve audits on voting equipment, databases, and potentially hire an outside contractor to review certain information, such as voter lists.” While Evers’ administration says the purpose of the new office is to “better and more quickly respond to inquiries and complaints regarding potential election law violations,” recent actions by corrupt agencies such as the Department of Justice demonstrate how these bloated bureaucracies give cover for leftist activists to interfere in the electoral process on behalf of Democrats.
Evers’ efforts to install Democrat-supported policies into Wisconsin’s election systems aren’t surprising, especially given his vetoing of Republican-backed election-integrity legislation throughout his time in office. Over the past two years, for instance, the Democrat governor has vetoed two separate bills that sought to ban private funding of election offices by nongovernmental organizations.
In the lead-up to the 2020 election, nonprofits such as the Mark Zuckerberg-funded Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL) poured hundreds of millions of dollars into government election offices in battleground states, which were used to expand non-secure election protocols such as mail-in voting and the use of ballot drop boxes. According to figures from the Capital Research Center, these “Zuckbucks” were heavily skewed toward Democrat-majority counties, essentially making it a massive Democrat get-out-the-vote operation.
Groups such as CTCL are already preparing to use similar tactics to interfere in the 2024 election, this time under the guise of an $80 million initiative known as the U.S. Alliance for Election Excellence. While the alliance purports to be a “nonpartisan” venture, a report from the Honest Elections Project and John Locke Foundation revealed it to be a concentrated effort among left-wing groups to “systematically influence every aspect of election administration” through the use of private funds and election-related services.
As a result of Evers’ veto of Wisconsin Republicans’ “Zuckbucks” bans, the Badger State’s future elections will be ripe for such outside influence.
Post by: nddons on February 15, 2023, 11:17:23 PM
Shocking. She’s angling for VP and doesn’t want competition for the top spot.
https://conservativebrief.com/palin-desantis-70853/
Post by: nddons on February 15, 2023, 11:44:41 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2023/02/15/everything-you-need-to-know-about-democrat-gov-tony-evers-bid-to-overhaul-wisconsin-elections/Wisconsin’s near veto proof majority will never let Evers’ pipe dreams of voting law changes to become law.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 16, 2023, 06:39:27 AM
Post by: nddons on February 16, 2023, 06:43:04 AM
November of 2022. This should really help her campaign out.What an idiot. I think politicians think the internet doesn’t exist.
Post by: Lucifer on February 16, 2023, 07:14:19 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 16, 2023, 05:06:21 PM
Post by: Rush on February 16, 2023, 05:47:32 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/election-integrity-expert-captain-seth-keshel-offers-10-points-true-election-integrity/
I wish. It’ll never happen.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 17, 2023, 11:09:04 AM
Post by: Lucifer on February 17, 2023, 11:28:20 AM
Gov's Abbott and Hutchinson are looking as well.
Post by: nddons on February 17, 2023, 03:06:46 PM
Look for Pompeo, Pence, Tim Scott, Youngkin and Sununu to jump in as well.All B-level candidates hoping for a cabinet position.
Gov's Abbott and Hutchinson are looking as well.
Post by: Lucifer on February 17, 2023, 03:35:16 PM
All B-level candidates hoping for a cabinet position.
True. But the more in the primaries, the more the vote becomes diluted.
Post by: Lucifer on February 19, 2023, 06:32:38 AM
https://canadafreepress.com/article/we-deserve-better
We Deserve Better
By Ray DiLorenzo ——February 19, 2023
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If the 20th and 21st centuries taught us anything it's that the greatness of America is not to be found in our leaders, but in our people. We are a strong, generous, hard-working, moral people, a combination of every country of the world, all within a framework of freedom, in a Constitutional Republic...the greatest country in the world that deserves the greatest leaders in the world. But, when you look at our leaders of the past 100+ years, we deserved better, much better.
Starting with Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ, 1913 - 1921), he was born in Virginia and lived in Georgia. He was an extreme racist, even by the standards of the early 20th century. He wrote a history text praising the Confederacy and the KKK. Due to Reconstruction, Washington at the time was pretty much integrated. Neither Wilson nor his wife were going to put up with any of that integration stuff. So, he resegregated the federal government including the White House. In essence, he reversed what hundreds of thousands of men died and bled for just 50 years earlier. They couldn't bring back slavery, but they did try to reverse any Black American progress seen since the end of the Civil War.
Franklin Roosevelt (D-NY, 1933-1945), celebrated by revisionist historians for his handling of the Great Depression and World War Two. He had no problem breaking the precedent of two presidential terms. Only death relieved him of command. FDR used his New Deal to set the nation on a course of unlimited federal power while not restoring the economy. Roosevelt tried unsuccessfully to pack the Supreme Court when he didn't get his way in legislation. Unemployment remained high until WW2.
FDR led us into a war for which we were totally unprepared. Roosevelt failed to read the tea leaves in Europe and Asia, or was aware, but decided to prepare when it became unavoidable, willing to take a hit in the process. We did...Pearl Harbor. Like so many Democrats, Roosevelt saw little use for a strong military, having resisted repeated calls to increase the defense budget. In 1939, the US Army was 19th in the world with 174,00 personnel, behind even Portugal. Our Navy had less than 60 capital warships, for two oceans, mind you...and a two-front war.
John F. Kennedy (D-MA, 1961-1963) could have been an exceptional president given two full terms. He had everything going for him, an adoring and doting public, a media any president would relish, good basic conservative views, economically, and socially (civil rights), with solid anti-communist beliefs. His inexperience and demons, unfortunately, showed in his presidency. He broke his promise to the men stranded on the beach at the Bay of Pigs, blaming the Eisenhower administration, and could not control his sexual appetite putting the security of the United States at risk. There was even a full-time federal employee who's only job was to find women for Jack. Like some presidents after him, he could not see the consequences for authorizing the removal of leaders like President Diem of South Vietnam, leaving the country in chaos. The rest is history.
Lyndon Johnson's presidency (D-TX, 1963 -1969) was a total failure. He made the basic mistake of thinking you can have guns and butter, as economists would say. Vietnam was a disaster that became a quagmire with no satisfactory outcome.. How do you explain 58,000+ dead and 150,00 wounded Americans to their families.
The butter part was his War on Poverty...The Great Society...welfare! He single-handedly destroyed the Black family, and the work ethic. He actually fired Black men from their responsibility as provider for their families and substituted the government. And maybe that was his goal. A retired Secret Service agent wrote of it in a Johnson quote..."These Negroes, they're getting pretty uppity these days and that's a problem for us since they've got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we've got to do something about this, we've got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference... I'll have them n*****s voting Democratic for the next two hundred years".
If there is anything a Democrat understands is that a citizen that is not needy will not vote Democrat! If they're not needy, make them needy and promise them the stars. And it continues today (You'll own nothing and be happy).
Richard Nixon (R-CA, 1969-1974) another could-have-been-great president. But, his paranoia did him in. He mishandled Watergate and resigned in disgrace. Gerald Ford was never given a chance to show his stuff, he was drowned in Nixon's Watergate scandal.
And then we have Jimmy Carter (D-GA), the peanut-farmer president that carried his own luggage (with nothing in it). He was promoted to his level of incompetence, came off as amiable, but was malicious. He forgot he had a military, treating them as a forgotten stepchild. The Iran hostage Crisis was his Waterloo. He could have prevented the crisis and the fall of Iran by backing the pro-West Shah. Sure, Pahlavi wasn't perfect, but I challenge anyone to prove that the Iranian people are better off today. Iran is near revolution. General MacArthur always said (paraphrased)..."Back your friends and reform them later."
Ronald Reagan (R-CA) came into office as a needed breath of fresh air. Iran showed their deference for the new president by freeing the hostages almost the moment he took office. Reagan understood that any great power must spread some measure of fear to the enemy. Without fear there is no respect. Fear is just as potent if not more when it is unspoken. No competitor likes an adversary to be an unknown factor. It drove the Soviet Union into the ground.
Bush, Sr. (R-TX), what can you say except "Watch my lips, no new taxes." The Democrats convinced him we needed to raise taxes. He did 20 months later and they turned on him, reminding Americans what a liar he is during the next election cycle. Politics is a dirty business with dirty people running it.
Now we have 'Slick Willy' Bill Clinton (D-AR) and his campaign manager, Ross Perot. Without Perot's independent run, it's almost certain Clinton could not have pulled off a win. People had reason to dislike Perot, even if his positions on gun control, balancing the budget, and ending outsourcing American jobs were right on.
Clinton managed what no one else could accomplish, not even JFK...bring the presidency down to a low moral point unmatched by any president in our history.
It was almost a standing joke that people could relate to Bill by understanding who he was married to...Hillary Clinton. At least Bill was a moderate, not Hillary. She's a liberal's liberal, but, like her husband, no core values. When Bill ran for president, she was Hillary Clinton. When he won, she became Hillary Rodham Clinton. When you run for president you defend marriage. After you win, you allow anyone to marry anyone. Because she's married to Bill, she became very good at witness tampering and money laundering.
As Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton should have learned the lessons of Iran when she arranged the end to Libya's Gaddafi. She managed to change Libya from a stable, prosperous, secular Islamic country to an unstable, economic mess with groups battling for control of its vast energy resources. I've always been amazed how leaders arrange the 'removal' of other leaders that are a carbon copy of themselves.
She approved just about any traitorous activity as long as they donated to her foundation...tech secrets to China, control of vast amounts of plutonium to Russia, and the infamous Clinton body count. Oh, let's not forget they looted the White House after they left and sold government property for campaign donations.
Worst of all, she chose to leave our people in Benghazi to die. We can only thank God she never made it to the White House.
Bush, Jr. (R-TX) was a disaster from the start...eight years of war. The 9-11 attack, the intelligence failures, the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, a president determined to go to war even if the reason is bogus, forcing democracy on a country with no culture or inclination to support it...now rife with bribery, kickbacks, and embezzlement. Again, further destabilizing an already unstable region of the world, the Middle East...causing mass immigration of hundreds of thousands of refugees from the Middle East into Europe. They are still paying for it.
The president that fooled almost everyone...Barack Obama (D-IL), the mystery wrapped in an enigma. With no real knowledge of his early life, college records sealed, a birth certificate with many questions, scant information on his family, here was a man with a chip on his shoulder. He managed to convince millions of Americans that America was a racist country and its greatness was illegitimate, even proclaiming it to our enemies. Passing himself off as a Christian African-American with roots in early America, he had no such background. His background was Muslim, living in Indonesia for much of his early life. He warned us that the seas were rising and then bought a mansion on the ocean in Martha's Vineyard. Any accomplishments were of the anti-American variety, weakening and destabilizing our country.
President Trump (R-NY) despite being foiled at every turn from within and without managed to turn America around faster than any president in our history. Our enemies withdrew into silence at his strength. I have never seen such hatred by any opposition in my lifetime, foreign or domestic. It was almost a scream from the bleachers to 'stop making America great again, it's not in the plan'.
One of the most corrupt politicians in our history Biden and his family sold influence on a grand scale to anyone who will pay and still do
Joe Biden, (D-DE) the former Senator from Delaware, the hair kisser. For his entire career he had nothing to distinguish himself, except for being a leech and saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. He lied constantly about his background, his accomplishments, his education...an infamous plagiarist. One of the most corrupt politicians in our history. Biden and his family sold influence on a grand scale to anyone who will pay and still do. Not only influence, the Biden family also participated in technology transfers to China through a long time friend, former Montana senator and Ambassador to China, Max Baucus. With contacts in high places, China mysteriously gets approval to buy high tech companies in the US. They also get their technology, which is then transferred to China. Fox News
How this man could have become president is astounding. His government is totally unresponsive and unaccountable to citizen's needs, especially the EPA, the Dept. of Transportation, the FBI, even the Dept. of Defense, allowing Chinese spy balloons to crisscross the country unmolested. But, these are different times. The powers that be demanded mail-in voting, no ID voting, ballot harvesting, voting machines that can be tampered with, and the unscrupulous to oversee the operation, and there you have it. They wanted someone they could control, do what they wanted, sign into law what they wanted, ignore what they wanted him to ignore...with the core values to match. The Great Reset is demanding our dismantling and the team, headed by Biden, are the ones to do it. And so they are, at least for now, but he is quickly becoming a liability. They need a younger, more steady and reliable unprincipled person.
Americans are a different sort. We are a combination of every ethnic group, creed and nationality, all combined in what Winston Churchill called, the 'American Race', all yearning to be free. The American character, in spite of almost 100 years of liberal, almost demonic indoctrination, stubbornly holds onto our religious and spiritual roots, embodies a desire to succeed where one cannot succeed elsewhere, with a deep desire for personal sovereignty and independence that success demands. A great people.
Concerning our present realities, Churchill also said...'Americans will always do the right thing - having first exhausted all possible alternatives.' Asking questions we already had answers for, out of an innate entrepreneurial soul, and a spirit of strength, common sense and decency, I believe we have tried everything else, every form of perversion and idiocy, and are now ready to get back to being American.
We deserve as much from our leaders. In fact, We Deserve Better!
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 23, 2023, 03:16:29 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vivek-ramaswamy-running-for-president-gop-donald-trump-primary-338c0737?st=uc720qpzs74womi&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink (https://www.wsj.com/articles/vivek-ramaswamy-running-for-president-gop-donald-trump-primary-338c0737?st=uc720qpzs74womi&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)
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Donald Trump proved that you don’t need to hold elective office before you try for the Oval Office, and entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy is taking that as inspiration as he announced Tuesday that he’s running for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024. He has a chance to make a contribution to the race even if he is a long shot.
Never heard of him, but the WSJ article makes him out to be a reasonable possibility. Just a half-billionare, though.
Post by: Little Joe on February 23, 2023, 03:25:25 PM
What a looser!
Never heard of him, but the WSJ article makes him out to be a reasonable possibility. Just a half-billionare, though.
Post by: nddons on February 23, 2023, 04:28:38 PM
What a looser!I wonder what Trump’s name will be for him? Little Rami?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 23, 2023, 08:38:58 PM
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Post by: Username on February 24, 2023, 06:57:05 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1628850918400700416Amazingly insightful!! And will be completely lost on the sheep who live for handouts and being controlled.
If you can't fire somebody who works for you, that means they don't work for you. It means you work for them — you are their slave.
It's time to shut down most government agencies.
Post by: nddons on February 24, 2023, 08:07:20 AM
I like him and what he says. I’m anxious to hear his position on the Second Amendment and our border and illegal immigration.
Post by: Lucifer on February 24, 2023, 09:21:46 AM
Post by: Number7 on February 24, 2023, 09:25:48 AM
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1628848508257042434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1628848508257042434%7Ctwgr%5E7fc01ff0fbdd920a80fd69c989b8f16c0a834b80%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F%3Fp%3D867254
She is perfectly equipped to represent the senile imposter and his freak show.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 24, 2023, 09:37:54 AM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 24, 2023, 09:59:17 AM
Are they doing these little meetings as a means to try and prop her up?
more likely they can't get many people who can stand being in the same room...
Post by: Lucifer on February 24, 2023, 10:03:31 AM
Are they doing these little meetings as a means to try and prop her up?
I think the opposite.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 24, 2023, 10:16:44 AM
She is perfectly equipped to represent the senile imposter and his freak show.
But what about when he croaks or is removed? We get this. “Exasperates.”
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1628839358932594688
Post by: Anthony on February 24, 2023, 10:49:00 AM
But what about when he croaks or is removed? We get this. “Exasperates.”
https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1628839358932594688
Idiot Is too kind a word for her.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 24, 2023, 11:26:32 AM
Post by: nddons on February 24, 2023, 01:58:17 PM
But respect is earned, not demanded.
No one but the most psychotic sycophants would willingly stand when she walks into a room.
Post by: Lucifer on February 24, 2023, 03:10:36 PM
Standing is a sign of respect. My dad taught me that before I went to grade school.
But respect is earned, not demanded.
No one but the most psychotic sycophants would willingly stand when she walks into a room.
Apparently that sets KamelToe off. She's gone into tirades when she enters a room and people don't stand. That's why her staff ask everyone to stand in her presence.
Post by: Anthony on February 24, 2023, 11:25:11 PM
Apparently that sets KamelToe off. She's gone into tirades when she enters a room and people don't stand. That's why her staff ask everyone to stand in her presence.
Typical of the breed. They're extremely insecure because they know the truth about themselves and it infuriates them when others do as well. So they demand the respect they know they can't earn, nor deserve.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 25, 2023, 06:09:32 AM
Typical of the breed. They're extremely insecure because they know the truth about themselves and it infuriates them when others do as well. So they demand the respect they know they can't earn, nor deserve.
In odd moments it strikes me with some force that we have a lot of people at the very highest levels of government right now who are fully aware that they’re all illegitimate. Yet they all act as if everything is totally legit. Who does that? The level of pure evil is beyond comprehension.
I can’t imagine, for example, going about smiling, talking, giving interviews, etc. and pretending to be the First Lady, knowing full well I am not.
Post by: Anthony on February 25, 2023, 06:31:53 AM
In odd moments it strikes me with some force that we have a lot of people at the very highest levels of government right now who are fully aware that they’re all illegitimate. Yet they all act as if everything is totally legit. Who does that? The level of pure evil is beyond comprehension.
I can’t imagine, for example, going about smiling, talking, giving interviews, etc. and pretending to be the First Lady, knowing full well I am not.
They've convinced themselves of their own lies. However, subconsciously, they know the truth and that's where the rage, ticks and nasty treatment of staff comes from. Hillary, Michelle, Dr., lol, Jill, Camella, Buttigieg, etc.
Post by: Username on February 25, 2023, 07:22:24 AM
Post by: jb1842 on February 25, 2023, 09:04:45 AM
What is the official protocol, independent of who holds the office? At a formal setting at small table I would stand each time a woman or someone of higher position arrives or leaves unless asked to stay seated. In an informal setting it depends on familiarity, but certainly the first time arriving and last time leaving. In a conference room stand for the higher position arriving and leaving but not if they have to leave to fetch something and return. Stay seated for women of equal position. In a large auditorium stand for the President of the USA or CEO. But VP and below, I don't know. Probably not required by protocol. Even if the President is a total dick, you stand for the office, not the person.
Call me an asshole, but the President works for me. I'm not subservient to anyone anymore, let alone someone in an elected office. We got rid of that bullshit starting in 1776.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 25, 2023, 09:18:03 AM
Call me an asshole, but the President works for me.I'm not subservient to anyone anymore, let alone someone in an elected office. We got rid of that bullshit starting in 1776.
Trump did. Biden does not. That’s why we are growing increasingly and alarmingly aware of our need to save our country from the usurpers.
Post by: Username on February 25, 2023, 09:30:20 AM
Call me an asshole, but the President works for me. I'm not subservient to anyone anymore, let alone someone in an elected office. We got rid of that bullshit starting in 1776.Not at all! I do understand that position. I'm more thinking that (in normal times) the president has been elected by the country to be the leader of the country. We all agree to offload the difficult decisions of running the country and interacting with our neighbors to the president. The position of president as leader of the country (in my opinion) should be respected. Not subservient by any means. And NOT like the president is king. The president still works for us, and we have the means to remove (fire) that person if performance is not to our liking. I'll stand for the position of the president, and then proudly wave my FJB banner high.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 25, 2023, 09:37:41 AM
Not at all! I do understand that position. I'm more thinking that (in normal times) the president has been elected by the country to be the leader of the country. We all agree to offload the difficult decisions of running the country and interacting with our neighbors to the president. The position of president as leader of the country (in my opinion) should be respected. Not subservient by any means. And NOT like the president is king. The president still works for us, and we have the means to remove (fire) that person if performance is not to our liking. I'll stand for the position of the president, and then proudly wave my FJB banner high.
How do we do that?
Post by: Jim Logajan on February 25, 2023, 09:49:21 AM
How do we do that?
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary....
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on February 25, 2023, 09:56:39 AM
Post by: jb1842 on February 25, 2023, 10:04:51 AM
Not at all! I do understand that position. I'm more thinking that (in normal times) the president has been elected by the country to be the leader of the country. We all agree to offload the difficult decisions of running the country and interacting with our neighbors to the president. The position of president as leader of the country (in my opinion) should be respected. Not subservient by any means. And NOT like the president is king. The president still works for us, and we have the means to remove (fire) that person if performance is not to our liking. I'll stand for the position of the president, and then proudly wave my FJB banner high.
I agree with that in principle. But when the person holding that office fails to uphold the oath he took when he took that office, cares more about foreigners than citizens, and puts our country last, there is nothing about the man, position, or office of the President to respect.
Post by: Lucifer on February 25, 2023, 10:25:19 AM
How do we do that?
We can't.
The reason we can not, is that we have elected way too many career politicians. The establishment class will not allow one of their own to be removed from office.
FJB is a perfect example. He, along with his corrupt family, have already done enough to rise to impeachment for, and conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. FJB has failed, miserably, to protect the constitution and the laws of the US.
Yet very few in congress have the balls to go against the establishment and draw up articles of impeachment. And even if they did, the RINO's of the senate led by the Turtle would refuse to convict him.
So the American people, the voters, are stuck with corrupt president who has done more damage to the country than any president before him, and he continues.
Elections have consequences, stolen elections have dire consequences.
Post by: Anthony on February 25, 2023, 11:29:11 AM
We can't.
The reason we can not, is that we have elected way too many career politicians. The establishment class will not allow one of their own to be removed from office.
FJB is a perfect example. He, along with his corrupt family, have already done enough to rise to impeachment for, and conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. FJB has failed, miserably, to protect the constitution and the laws of the US.
Yet very few in congress have the balls to go against the establishment and draw up articles of impeachment. And even if they did, the RINO's of the senate led by the Turtle would refuse to convict him.
So the American people, the voters, are stuck with corrupt president who has done more damage to the country than any president before him, and he continues.
Elections have consequences, stolen elections have dire consequences.
This is why Secession is the only solution. Legally and peacefully of course.
Post by: Number7 on February 25, 2023, 11:49:33 AM
They would shit their pants to vote against removing the senile imposter and interrupt the bribes going their way.
Post by: nddons on February 25, 2023, 11:53:17 AM
In odd moments it strikes me with some force that we have a lot of people at the very highest levels of government right now who are fully aware that they’re all illegitimate. Yet they all act as if everything is totally legit. Who does that? The level of pure evil is beyond comprehension.Most humble people in many jobs suffer from imposter syndrome, meaning that they have a persistent feeling that they don’t deserve to be doing the job that they are doing. My daughter had that for a long time as a veterinarian.
I can’t imagine, for example, going about smiling, talking, giving interviews, etc. and pretending to be the First Lady, knowing full well I am not.
Politicians all seem 100% incapable of suffering from
Imposter syndrome. They are at the other end of the spectrum and all believe they were destined to rule OVER other people.
Post by: nddons on February 25, 2023, 11:54:26 AM
They've convinced themselves of their own lies. However, subconsciously, they know the truth and that's where the rage, ticks and nasty treatment of staff comes from. Hillary, Michelle, Dr., lol, Jill, Camella, Buttigieg, etc.I honestly don’t believe that they subconsciously know they truth that they are frauds.
Post by: nddons on February 25, 2023, 12:47:43 PM
We can't.I was 24 when McConnell was elected to the Senate. I’m 63 now, and now the old fuck is telling ME to “wake up” about the threat of Russia in Ukraine.
The reason we can not, is that we have elected way too many career politicians. The establishment class will not allow one of their own to be removed from office.
FJB is a perfect example. He, along with his corrupt family, have already done enough to rise to impeachment for, and conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors. FJB has failed, miserably, to protect the constitution and the laws of the US.
Yet very few in congress have the balls to go against the establishment and draw up articles of impeachment. And even if they did, the RINO's of the senate led by the Turtle would refuse to convict him.
So the American people, the voters, are stuck with corrupt president who has done more damage to the country than any president before him, and he continues.
Elections have consequences, stolen elections have dire consequences.
He needs to fucking kick off already.
Post by: Lucifer on February 25, 2023, 02:57:15 PM
I was 24 when McConnell was elected to the Senate. I’m 63 now, and now the old fuck is telling ME to “wake up” about the threat of Russia in Ukraine.
He needs to fucking kick off already.
Problem with these career politicians are the people that keep re-electing them. We all see what slime people like the turtle are, but his constituents keep him there.
Voter apathy is real, and the results are McConnell and others.
We need term limits really bad, but the establishment will never let that happen.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on February 25, 2023, 03:35:09 PM
I know, I know. Pure fantasy.
But one can wish...
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 25, 2023, 04:33:27 PM
Remember Tom Clancy's "Executive Orders"? The character President Ryan didn't want career politicians to fill the vacant seats. He wanted people who could get the job done and didn't want to be there (getting out of the position as soon as possible).
I know, I know. Pure fantasy.
But one can wish...
That is the way. It wouldn’t be fantasy if we all had kept a tighter rein on our elections and our elected.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 25, 2023, 04:35:04 PM
Problem with these career politicians are the people that keep re-electing them. We all see what slime people like the turtle are, but his constituents keep him there.
Voter apathy is real, and the results are McConnell and others.
We need term limits really bad, but the establishment will never let that happen.
But you know now that they’re not really getting elected. Cheating helps explain some of these dinosaurs.
Post by: nddons on February 25, 2023, 05:07:15 PM
Problem with these career politicians are the people that keep re-electing them. We all see what slime people like the turtle are, but his constituents keep him there.That’s why an article V convention of the states is the ONLY solution. My state Senator was big on the COS until he got pressure from the John Birch society who claim that a runaway convention could result in a loss of 2A and 1A. They’re idiots. I had words with that guy, who is also a fellow CPA and should know better.
Voter apathy is real, and the results are McConnell and others.
We need term limits really bad, but the establishment will never let that happen.
Post by: nddons on February 25, 2023, 05:16:31 PM
That is the way. It wouldn’t be fantasy if we all had kept a tighter rein on our elections and our elected.The problem is that we all want to get rid of politicians, except for MY politician. That’s how prehistoric specimens like McConnell stay in power.
Post by: Lucifer on February 25, 2023, 05:56:35 PM
The problem is that we all want to get rid of politicians, except for MY politician. That’s how prehistoric specimens like McConnell stay in power.
The senate was created as a body to represent the states. The state legislatures appointed 2 senators for each state.
Along comes the 17th amendment, and now senators are elected by popular vote. Now instead of senators concentrating on representing the wishes of their state, they are now involved in foreign policy and a host of other issues. Also, many of these senators receive campaign contributions from various PACs and lobbyist, not from their state.
So the concept of the senate representing their state is long gone.
Post by: Lucifer on February 25, 2023, 05:57:43 PM
That’s why an article V convention of the states is the ONLY solution. My state Senator was big on the COS until he got pressure from the John Birch society who claim that a runaway convention could result in a loss of 2A and 1A. They’re idiots. I had words with that guy, who is also a fellow CPA and should know better.
Article V won't happen now, the establishment within the beltway would never permit it.
Post by: nddons on February 25, 2023, 06:03:56 PM
Article V won't happen now, the establishment within the beltway would never permit it.Read Article V. Congress is 100% removed from the process.
https://conventionofstates.com/
Post by: Lucifer on February 25, 2023, 08:31:20 PM
Read Article V. Congress is 100% removed from the process.
https://conventionofstates.com/
I realize that. I also realize that we have a government that no longer fears the voter, and who firmly believes the citizen is subservient to the government.
The establishment extends from inside the beltway into state legislatures. The rubicon has been crossed, and the establishment is now firmly entrenched.
Post by: Anthony on February 26, 2023, 03:45:24 AM
The senate was created as a body to represent the states. The state legislatures appointed 2 senators for each state.
Along comes the 17th amendment, and now senators are elected by popular vote. Now instead of senators concentrating on representing the wishes of their state, they are now involved in foreign policy and a host of other issues. Also, many of these senators receive campaign contributions from various PACs and lobbyist, not from their state.
So the concept of the senate representing their state is long gone.
Our once great structure of limited government, States Rights, etc., has been ,long ago, totally destroyed. We're a territory hell bent on subjugation it's citizens, including the Illegals.
Post by: elwood blues on February 26, 2023, 02:58:40 PM
This is why Secession is the only solution. Legally and peacefully of course.
I agree. I don't get the legal part; you just break away and make your own laws, and it will be peaceful unless they bring the fight. If they do, so be it. Our founders were courageous, we should be too.
Article V COS won't work: the deep state extends to every state legislature and statehouse.
Post by: Username on February 27, 2023, 06:46:55 AM
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Toranaga: "Tsukku-san says that the Netherlands were vassals of the Spanish king until just a few years ago. Is that true?"
Blackthorne: "Yes."
Toranaga: "Therefore, the Netherlands – your allies – are in a state of rebellion against their lawful king?"
Blackthorne: "They’re fighting against the Spaniard, yes, but –
Toranaga: "Isn’t that rebellion? Yes or no?"
Blackthorne: "Yes. But there are mitigating circumstances. Serious miti- "
Toranaga: "There are no ‘mitigating circumstances’ when it comes to rebellion against a sovereign lord!"
Blackthorne: "Unless you win."
Toranaga looked at him intently. Then laughed uproariously. "Yes, Mister Foreigner…you have named the one mitigating factor."
Post by: Rush on February 27, 2023, 07:19:57 AM
I'm reminded of this quote from the book Shogun:
That’s exactly the thing. Nothing matters except might. Right now the Dems have seized control via election cheating. If the other side can’t overcome election cheating, it will have to use other means, such as force (military or militia). That will be propagandized as “insurrection” and countered with force.
Both sides see 2020 as coup and attempted coup. Both sides consider themselves legitimate and the other side illegitimate. This is the ultimate set up for a bloody fight to the death.
Post by: Anthony on February 27, 2023, 10:36:25 AM
I agree. I don't get the legal part; you just break away and make your own laws, and it will be peaceful unless they bring the fight. If they do, so be it. Our founders were courageous, we should be too.
Article V COS won't work: the deep state extends to every state legislature and statehouse.
We are being monitored by the STASI and KGB, so of course legally and peacefully are required. We are essentially behind the Iron Curtain now.
Post by: Lucifer on February 27, 2023, 04:51:19 PM
Post by: Lucifer on February 27, 2023, 04:56:59 PM
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Rupert Murdoch’s so-called “admissions” under oath are far more devious and calculated than the corporate media wants you to think.
Naturally the lie will make its way around the world before the truth gets its trousers on. But in case you’re still interested in the truth, here’s some more, concerning the Fox vs. Dominion lawsuits. If you missed last week’s, it’s here.
Below is how the New York Times and Washington Post reported the latest developments on Monday afternoon.
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The stories from Jeremy Peters (NYT) and Jeremy Barr (WaPo) confirm a bombshell admission from Mr. Murdoch, about how his network handled the 2020 election coverage. And remember, there’s a $1.6bn defamation lawsuit in play here.
Many will believe Mr. Murdoch was confessing, or being caught in a “gotcha!” moment. Not so. Read carefully. He’s drawing a firm line between his network and its on-air talent, all of whom have one particular thing in common.
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Now look at the full verbal exchange, published on a website called RawStory, who hilariously have me blocked on Twitter for some reason.
Murdoch appears to be pushing back against the claim that it was his network that endorsed the stolen election idea. He’s not saying, “[yes] they endorsed,” he’s saying, “they [his anchors] endorsed [but the network itself did not].”
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If the transcription included tone, the final “they” would be in italics.
The reality of this exchange is far darker than the corporate media will tell you. Murdoch is throwing his talent under the bus here, in order to save his company from Dominion’s gargantuan demands.
Fox didn’t endorse. The anchors did. Lou Dobbs did “a lot” and Sean Hannity did “a bit” and Maria and Jeanine. And guess what all of these anchors have in common?
Whether you’ve enjoyed their influence on Trump or not, they’re all Trump supporters. Backers, friends, or fellow travellers to say the least.
And mark my words, this is how Fox intends to clear house of them, to pave the way for you know who…
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All on the same day, huh?
Quite a coincidence.
Post by: Anthony on February 27, 2023, 05:21:39 PM
Post by: Rush on February 27, 2023, 06:59:54 PM
https://raheemkassam.substack.com/p/murdochs-dominion-admission-is-his
FALSE notion of a stolen election? They keep pushing that word IT WAS NEVER PROVEN FALSE.
No court actually heard the evidence, they refused to take cases. Fuck these people and their STOLEN election. And they know damn well.
Post by: Number7 on February 27, 2023, 09:50:28 PM
FALSE notion of a stolen election? They keep pushing that word IT WAS NEVER PROVEN FALSE.
No court actually heard the evidence, they refused to take cases. Fuck these people and their STOLEN election. And they know damn well.
Think about the true commie libs that visit here from time to time.
They pound the posts with sound bite bullshit, knowing they are lying, but feel forced to continue to babble their bullshit because it’s what liars do. The risk of being left out of the ‘cool kids’ club if they don’t is too painful to imagine for lemmings, weak minded bigots, racist recidivists and mind bent stupids who pretend they have no idea what women is.
Post by: Lucifer on March 03, 2023, 07:01:26 AM
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on March 04, 2023, 08:43:27 AM
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Post by: Lucifer on March 08, 2023, 06:00:55 AM
Post by: Anthony on March 08, 2023, 06:12:24 AM
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It's working (voting and vote fraud) for the Democrats and other domestic and foreign enemies of the former USA, now called the Fascist Occupied Territory of North America (FOTNA).
Post by: Number7 on March 08, 2023, 07:20:26 AM
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https://babylonbee.com/news/ukraine-asks-merrick-garland-to-leave-as-they-already-have-enough-corrupt-government-officials (https://babylonbee.com/news/ukraine-asks-merrick-garland-to-leave-as-they-already-have-enough-corrupt-government-officials)
Post by: Anthony on March 08, 2023, 03:20:08 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 08, 2023, 04:35:19 PM
Starting with Zelensky. I'm ready to fly a Mig-29 and not for Ukraine.
Because he ordered the invasion of Russia?
Post by: Anthony on March 08, 2023, 05:01:07 PM
Because he ordered the invasion of Russia?
He's as corrupt as Putin and if our Woke Democrats and Establishment Republicans are for him I'm against him. Not against the Ukrainian people just his regime. Are there no legitimate governments anymore? They ALL need a wake up call.
I am more than tired of it. I'm borderline anarchist at this point.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 08, 2023, 05:43:19 PM
He's as corrupt as Putin and if our Woke Democrats and Establishment Republicans are for him I'm against him. Not against the Ukrainian people just his regime. Are there no legitimate governments anymore? They ALL need a wake up call.
I am more than tired of it. I'm borderline anarchist at this point.
I think anarchy, in the simple meaning of "no government", will become the nature of human interaction along the expanding frontier of outer space. An analogous situation occurred on the western frontier of the U.S. and to a lesser extent in Canada and Australia, but those latter did not have the equivalent of a Jefferson to set the stage for a longer period of individualism. I may not live to see it happen, but it would be good to see a reawakening of individual freedom and responsibility flower along such a frontier.
Anyway, in the here-and-now we have to make choices between bad and worse with incomplete or untrustworthy information. Keep in mind that Woke Democrats loved Musk till they hated him. I don't want to judge someone by simply inverting the judgement of someone I don't like.
Pragmatically the die is cast. A war rages in Ukraine. Ukraine survives so long as it gets outside help. Similar geopolitical manipulation between France and England was employed during the American Revolutionary war. As Royal imperialists, neither were "good" but the Founders made pragmatic decisions.
The question is what sort of ending is possible that stops the war and also stops Russia from invading again? Should Russia be allowed to win? Would that satisfy Putin and his successors?
Post by: Rush on March 10, 2023, 08:32:09 AM
As for “killing ethanol”, what is he talking about? Corn subsidies?
https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1634204808503521281
Post by: Lucifer on March 10, 2023, 08:49:01 AM
Does anybody know off the top of their head whether these allegations are true or false? Did DeSantis really vote to raise the minimum social security age to 70?
As for “killing ethanol”, what is he talking about? Corn subsidies?
https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1634204808503521281
The ethanol corn subsidies is just yet another government corrupt scheme, it should be killed off. We as citizens derive no benefit from this, and we pay for it.
Post by: Number7 on March 10, 2023, 08:53:53 AM
Does anybody know off the top of their head whether these allegations are true or false? Did DeSantis really vote to raise the minimum social security age to 70?
As for “killing ethanol”, what is he talking about? Corn subsidies?
https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1634204808503521281
Using ethanol from corn as a gasoline additive has forced the price of grain up dramatically.
It also reduces food available to be eaten which pleases communist democrats.
Ethanol is a terrible additive but gives democrat communists control over more of our supply chain which gives them a boner.
I have not come across any link to Governor DeSantis raising SSI minimum age.
Democrats lie constantly about Trump and DeSantis, because they communist cunts, and little slimey bitches.
Post by: nddons on March 10, 2023, 09:39:45 AM
Does anybody know off the top of their head whether these allegations are true or false? Did DeSantis really vote to raise the minimum social security age to 70?I haven’t researched how he voted for every bill, but in the 2012-2016 timeframe, there was a lot of talk on how to save Social Security, because it is on a trajectory for insolvency (ignoring for the moment that FedGov is using the FICA and Medicare taxes for general spending and is giving IOUs to the Trust Fund). You either raise taxes, reduce benefits, or delay normal retirement age, or get it into private investments. I’m not sure of any other fixes.
As for “killing ethanol”, what is he talking about? Corn subsidies?
https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1634204808503521281
So if true, DeSantis was being the adult in the room in trying to fix and SAVE social security.
Sadly, the lemming voters only want to listen to the children in the room who want to do nothing to save the system until it collapses, because doing so might hurt the children’s chances for re-election.
And Ethanol should die.
Post by: Anthony on March 10, 2023, 10:07:52 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 10, 2023, 10:11:01 AM
I haven’t researched how he voted for every bill, but in the 2012-2016 timeframe, there was a lot of talk on how to save Social Security, because it is on a trajectory for insolvency (ignoring for the moment that FedGov is using the FICA and Medicare taxes for general spending and is giving IOUs to the Trust Fund).
Starting last year SS outflow finally exceeded income by $56 billion. The government's internal IOUs to itself are now being redeemed to pay SS from the general fund, which in turn means regular income taxes are now partially funding SS. The SS IOUs (a.k.a. "Trust Fund") total $2.8 trillion and are projected to be depleted by 2035. Summary of the situation:
https://www.ssa.gov/policy/trust-funds-summary.html (https://www.ssa.gov/policy/trust-funds-summary.html)
"The Trustees project that OASDI annual cost will exceed total income throughout the 75-year projection period. After the projected trust fund reserve depletion in 2035, continuing income would be sufficient to pay 80 percent of program cost, declining to 74 percent for 2096"
Post by: Little Joe on March 10, 2023, 12:18:12 PM
Does anybody know off the top of their head whether these allegations are true or false? Did DeSantis really vote to raise the minimum social security age to 70?Trump and his unfiltered mouth is sounding just like a Democrat.
https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1634204808503521281
SOMETHING needs to be done or SS will go bankrupt. DeSantis has changed his recommendation a couple of times because the situation with SS keeps getting worse. If we took the actions DeSantis recommended 10 years ago we would not have as severe a problem as we have today. Therefore, we need a different solution today.
Of course though, some people DO want to kill SS. I wish SS never happened, but it has been here for almost 90 years and one sure way to lose the election is to threaten SS.
DeSantis is against corn subsidies to produce ethanol for a whole host of good reasons.
As for “killing ethanol”, what is he talking about? Corn subsidies?
Trump is touting corn subsidies, While he is in corn country (Iowa) talking to corn farmers. That sounds like something Hillary would say.
If trump would throw his support behind DeSantis, DeSantis could win. If Trump continues his side show and keeps attacking Republicans, the Democrats will win. Even if Kamala leads the ticket.
Post by: Rush on March 10, 2023, 12:28:45 PM
Post by: Rush on March 10, 2023, 12:32:45 PM
Post by: Little Joe on March 10, 2023, 01:15:55 PM
I’ll tell you what needs to be done about social security. Stop sending money to Ukraine. Get all the pork out of the budget. Dismantle the DEA, HUD, DOE and EPA, we don’t need any of them. Fire 90% of the CIA, NSA and FBI and eliminate all the internal spying and harassment of our own citizens.For some reason, that brings this to mind:
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God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can; <<<<<----------------- Don't skip this part!
and wisdom to know the difference.
Post by: Rush on March 10, 2023, 02:12:15 PM
For some reason, that brings this to mind:
Like this?
Post by: Little Joe on March 10, 2023, 02:17:22 PM
Like this?You win. I like that one better.
Post by: Anthony on March 10, 2023, 02:59:14 PM
I’ll tell you what needs to be done about social security. Stop sending money to Ukraine. Get all the pork out of the budget. Dismantle the DEA, HUD, DOE and EPA, we don’t need any of them. Fire 90% of the CIA, NSA and FBI and eliminate all the internal spying and harassment of our own citizens. You set up a socialized retirement system so now you have to fund it. Otherwise, trash the whole thing, slash taxes, get the fuck out of the way of the free market and let people actually build their own wealth.
There is also HUGE SS Disability FRAUD. It needs to stop and we need to reduce Federal workers by at least half but the Uniparty won't do it because the patronage power it gives them.
Post by: nddons on March 10, 2023, 03:04:42 PM
We always knew Trump was not a conservative. He’s a populist. Not the same thing! So he wants to continue corn subsidies, so what? Still a billion times better than the lunatic left. Trump or DeSantis, doesn’t matter. Neither is going to win because we haven’t fixed the elections.It’s pandering. Whether democrats or Republicans do it, it’s pandering and I hate it. Particularly when the underlying cause is fraudulent.
2A? Pander away as long as you keep your promises. It’s too important, but we will hold you to your word.
Corn subsidies, support for unions, increase welfare, it’s all the same thing and it’s bullshit.
Post by: nddons on March 10, 2023, 03:11:58 PM
There is also HUGE SS Disability FRAUD. It needs to stop and we need to reduce Federal workers by at least half but the Uniparty won't do it because the patronage power it gives them.There have been some very legitimate proposals put forth by Ron Johnson and others to balance the budget by just letting the federal bureaucracy whither on the vibe with a hiring freeze, so the agencies shrink just by attrition - retirements, normal turnover, etc.
Now Biden’s budget proposes giving ANOTHER 14.1 Billion to the IRS on top of the $80 Billion appropriated for the IRS in last August’s fraudulently-titled Inflation Reduction Act.
They are trying to grow the bureaucracy at the speed of Billions.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 11, 2023, 06:46:32 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 15, 2023, 10:02:32 AM
Recently Tucker Carlson sent out a questionnaire to all candidates asking about their position on Ukraine. DeSantis replied pretty much along the lines of Trump, saying in so many words the US shouldn't be involved in the conflict.
The establishment GOP won't like this, and will probably take him to the wood shed and explain to him not to be answering such questionnaires, or let the GOP answer for him.
DeSantis is currently beholden to the establishment, and if he wants to proceed will have to tow the line.
Post by: nddons on March 15, 2023, 10:57:02 AM
DeSantis is currently beholden to the establishment, and if he wants to proceed will have to tow the line.
Based on what?
Post by: Anthony on March 15, 2023, 11:04:24 AM
Based on what?
Financial and other Support needed from The Party for the campaign. The Party.
Post by: nddons on March 15, 2023, 11:13:26 AM
Financial and other Support needed from The Party for the campaign. The Party.So only self-funding billionaires can run for president now?
Too bad there isn’t one running who can give us 8 years of GOP presidency.
Post by: Lucifer on March 15, 2023, 11:56:54 AM
Based on what?
Several factors. Running for President is an expensive proposition. DeSantis is not wealthy. He will need backing from several pacs, and he will need backing from the RNC. That puts him in bed with the establishment.
The establishment will never ever allow another 2016 in which they lose to an outsider.
For someone to run, they will need personal wealth, or enough donors outside the GOP. Of course, the GOP is going to insist they call the shots.
I’m going to watch over the next few months and see who is backing Gov DeSantis.
Post by: Lucifer on March 15, 2023, 12:00:51 PM
So only self-funding billionaires can run for president now?
Too bad there isn’t one running who can give us 8 years of GOP presidency.
Running a presidential campaign is roughly a billion dollar proposition now. To do it requires networking and a donor base.
Trump has wealth, plus a remarkable small donor base. I’m waiting to see how DeSantis emerges as far as backers and if he can replicate the small donor base.
The other big obstacle is the GOP. The GOP wants a candidate that will fall in line with the establishment. This is where it will get interesting.
Post by: Rush on March 15, 2023, 02:08:41 PM
Post by: nddons on March 15, 2023, 02:39:00 PM
That’s one of the biggest reasons I still prefer Trump: He can fund himself.Yet no matter how much money he has, he can’t buy what DeSantis has: the ability to give us eight years of a conservative presidency.
Post by: Rush on March 15, 2023, 02:53:15 PM
Yet no matter how much money he has, he can’t buy what DeSantis has: the ability to give us eight years of a conservative presidency.
I don’t disagree with your desire for 8 years, I’m in the same boat. Not sure our money is going to last if the Dems keep trashing the dollar and the economy. But my biggest worry is still election fraud, and getting the next 4 nevermind 8.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 15, 2023, 03:17:49 PM
Post by: Anthony on March 15, 2023, 03:58:15 PM
Yet no matter how much money he has, he can’t buy what DeSantis has: the ability to give us eight years of a conservative presidency.
He might pick a VP that can follow in his footsteps and give us 8 or 12 years of fucking SANITY instead of this Shit Show.
Post by: nddons on March 15, 2023, 06:21:46 PM
He might pick a VP that can follow in his footsteps and give us 8 or 12 years of fucking SANITY instead of this Shit Show.The electorate has voted for two presidents for the same party back to back only twice in the last 100 years:
1989 George HW Bush
1923 Calvin Coolidge
All the others were due to assassinations, resignations, or dying in office:
1974 Gerald Ford
1963 LBJ
1945 Harry Truman
The point is, it almost never happens, so the wish list for a good VP getting elected after Trump, particularly in the aftermath of his 2nd presidency with the hatred and vitriol that Trump draws like flies to a pile of shit, and it is pure fantasy to think that can possibly happen.
Post by: nddons on March 15, 2023, 06:22:50 PM
We're all so proud on the monetary support Trump has been providing for the J6 Defendants rotting in jail n D.C. because they were trying to support their CIC.Never thought about that. Excellent point.
Post by: Rush on March 15, 2023, 06:46:03 PM
We're all so proud of the monetary support Trump has been providing for the J6 Defendants rotting in jail n D.C. because they were trying to support their CIC.
Do we know that he hasn’t?
Post by: nddons on March 15, 2023, 07:13:47 PM
Do we know that he hasn’t?Have you known him to do anything without publicly taking credit for it? This is not a slam on him, just the reality of how he operates.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 15, 2023, 08:51:27 PM
In 2012 Trump said the following:
“Hillary Clinton I think is a terrific woman,” he told Greta Van Susteren. “I am biased because I have known her for years. I live in New York. She lives in New York. I really like her and her husband both a lot. I think she really works hard. And I think, again, she’s given an agenda, it is not all of her, but I think she really works hard and I think she does a good job. I like her."
I see Trump as a pragmatist that does whatever is best for Trump. He's hardly unique in that - we all do that to some extent, depending on our own code of ethics. I see it as partially a coincidence that some of the policies he adheres to are also good for Americans.
Trump will be a candidate in 2024, either as a Republican or as a third party spoiler. Trump will threaten to be a third party spoiler and even though it is very hard to do that late in the season, he can scuttle Republicans and insure another four years of Biden. Why? Because he does what is best for Trump and history shows his code of ethics is highly variable.
All in my humble opinion of course.
Post by: Lucifer on March 16, 2023, 03:06:49 AM
The electorate has voted for two presidents for the same party back to back only twice in the last 100 years:
1989 George HW Bush
1923 Calvin Coolidge
All the others were due to assassinations, resignations, or dying in office:
1974 Gerald Ford
1963 LBJ
1945 Harry Truman
The point is, it almost never happens, so the wish list for a good VP getting elected after Trump, particularly in the aftermath of his 2nd presidency with the hatred and vitriol that Trump draws like flies to a pile of shit, and it is pure fantasy to think that can possibly happen.
Ronald Reagan?
Dwight Eisenhower?
Bill Clinton?
Barrack Obama?
Post by: Rush on March 16, 2023, 04:39:37 AM
Have you known him to do anything without publicly taking credit for it? This is not a slam on him, just the reality of how he operates.
Logical fallacy. If he did something and didn’t publicly take credit for it, we wouldn’t know about it, would we?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 16, 2023, 05:02:45 AM
Ronald Reagan?
Dwight Eisenhower?
Bill Clinton?
Barrack Obama?
It might have been clearer if nddons had said something like "elected two different presidents from the same party back to back"
Post by: Rush on March 16, 2023, 05:19:29 AM
I'm old enough to remember when Trump was a Democrat. And then in the Independence party.
In 2012 Trump said the following:
“Hillary Clinton I think is a terrific woman,” he told Greta Van Susteren. “I am biased because I have known her for years. I live in New York. She lives in New York. I really like her and her husband both a lot. I think she really works hard. And I think, again, she’s given an agenda, it is not all of her, but I think she really works hard and I think she does a good job. I like her."
I see Trump as a pragmatist that does whatever is best for Trump. He's hardly unique in that - we all do that to some extent, depending on our own code of ethics. I see it as partially a coincidence that some of the policies he adheres to are also good for Americans.
Trump will be a candidate in 2024, either as a Republican or as a third party spoiler. Trump will threaten to be a third party spoiler and even though it is very hard to do that late in the season, he can scuttle Republicans and insure another four years of Biden. Why? Because he does what is best for Trump and history shows his code of ethics is highly variable.
All in my humble opinion of course.
I’ve always said Trump is a self serving narcissist but it happens that the narcissistic legacy he wants to build for himself aligns with what is good for the forgotten man, mostly, certainly better than any candidate of the Uniparty. Imagine the ego it takes to think you can single-handedly take down the hydra monster that is the DC swamp today. That is the job Trump took on. If not him which of us has a snowball’s chance?
There is no politician that isn’t a self serving narcissist. You have to be, to think you know how to run other people’s lives and rule over them. That’s why our highest law is a piece of paper, not a personhood.
Post by: nddons on March 16, 2023, 05:57:50 AM
Ronald Reagan?I didn’t say two terms by the same president, I said different back to back presidents from the same party. I showed the second president in a list of two back to back presidents from the same party.
Dwight Eisenhower?
Bill Clinton?
Barrack Obama?
Each of the above were bracketed by presidents from the other party, except for Reagan-GHWB.
Post by: Username on March 16, 2023, 06:16:15 AM
Logical fallacy. If he did something and didn’t publicly take credit for it, we wouldn’t know about it, would we?And even if he did pay all the legal costs for the J6 political prisoners, would it do any good? They are being held by a corrupt system with no chance of relief.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 16, 2023, 06:23:33 AM
actually, by not paying the legal fees, President Trump missed an opportunity to play with the media like someone using a laser pointer to play with a cat.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 16, 2023, 03:08:32 PM
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 16, 2023, 03:14:34 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 16, 2023, 03:36:45 PM
Does the polling indicate how important likely voters consider the issue?
No.
I think this may be an issue that vexes older Republicans - it was their Ronald Reagan who dubbed the Soviet Union the Evil Empire, used Star Wars/SDI to sap their economy, and directed arming of the Afghanistan mujahideen, which eventually included supplying them with Stinger missiles. Looks like the cost of that direct support was about $600 million a year in 1980 dollars. SDI cost somewhere around $30 billion over ten years.
I would think pivoting from supporting the containment of Soviet Communism and its authoritarianism to dismissing an authoritarian Russian invasion as no concern of the U.S. requires a lot more changes of assumptions than many people care to do.
Post by: Number7 on March 16, 2023, 03:55:52 PM
Conservatives know the Ukraine war is a scam a just like Vietnam and Iraq.
The mushy middle republicans want to suck off an establishment candidate so no one gets their little feelings hurt.
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2023, 04:25:52 PM
It looks like DeSantis' position on the Russian-Ukraine war is hurting his standing with a majority of Republican voters. Less than half of Republican voters agree with his position. I can't find a lot of evidence on how Trump is affected by holding the same position. One poll of Trump voters found 51% agreed with Trump that too much aid had been given to Ukraine. Subjectively that suggests to me that whether Trump or DeSantis are nominated, the nominee will have cool support among about half their possible base on this particular issue.
I totally agree with his position and he is echoing Trump's. There may be hope for him yet. I don't give a damn what the Establishment Republicans think and polls are Propaganda. You should know that but your bias is getting in the way.
Post by: Anthony on March 16, 2023, 04:26:39 PM
The bullshit war in Ukraine isn’t going onto end either campaign.
Conservatives know the Ukraine war is a scam a just like Vietnam and Iraq.
The mushy middle republicans want to suck off an establishment candidate so no one gets their little feelings hurt.
Spot on.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 16, 2023, 04:41:06 PM
The bullshit war in Ukraine isn’t going onto end either campaign.I think that depends on whether the war is still going on by this time next year - or how it ends before then.
Suppose that Biden forces Ukraine to negotiate with Russia. Or Ukraine starts losing despite U.S. and western support. The war ends in either case with considerable concessions to the Russians. Biden could be reelected for being a peacemaker and ending the BS war or lose for wasting U.S. money and Ukrainian lives over a lost cause.
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Conservatives know the Ukraine war is a scam a just like Vietnam and Iraq.The U.S. was directly involved as a combatant in Iraq from the beginning and Vietnam almost from the beginning after the French left. The U.S. is not directly involved in the Russia-Ukraine war. It didn't provide significant support till after Ukrainian forces held up against the Russians when they were expected to fold like a house of cards.
Biden's "And it depends on what it does. It’s one thing if it’s a minor incursion and we end up having to fight about what to do and not do," pretty much signaled to Putin the U.S. response would likely be no different than it was to the 2014 Russian invasion.
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The mushy middle republicans want to suck off an establishment candidate so no one gets their little feelings hurt.I believe Trump and DeSantis hold basically the same position on the war.
Post by: nddons on March 16, 2023, 05:05:40 PM
No.I disagree. I think it’s us “older Republicans” who saw how diplomacy and carrying a big stick worked better than getting into proxy wars with a nuclear power. The Big Stick was not just SDI, but to rebuild our decimated military that was never rebuilt post-Vietnam.
I think this may be an issue that vexes older Republicans - it was their Ronald Reagan who dubbed the Soviet Union the Evil Empire, used Star Wars/SDI to sap their economy, and directed arming of the Afghanistan mujahideen, which eventually included supplying them with Stinger missiles. Looks like the cost of that direct support was about $600 million a year in 1980 dollars. SDI cost somewhere around $30 billion over ten years.
I would think pivoting from supporting the containment of Soviet Communism and its authoritarianism to dismissing an authoritarian Russian invasion as no concern of the U.S. requires a lot more changes of assumptions than many people care to do.
SDI was proposed in 1983 by Reagan, and finding started in the mid-1980s, but it was never fully developed by the time the USSR collapsed in 1991.
I need to see an age group survey to see which Republicans think this money laundering proxy war is a good thing.
Post by: Little Joe on March 16, 2023, 05:21:24 PM
I disagree. I think it’s us “older Republicans” who saw how diplomacy and carrying a big stick worked better than getting into proxy wars with a nuclear power. The Big Stick was not just SDI, but to rebuild our decimated military that was never rebuilt post-Vietnam.I don't think anyone (except maybe the arms manufacturers) think this war is a good thing. I know I don't.
SDI was proposed in 1983 by Reagan, and finding started in the mid-1980s, but it was never fully developed by the time the USSR collapsed in 1991.
I need to see an age group survey to see which Republicans think this money laundering proxy war is a good thing.
But I do think the only thing worse than this war would be if Russia wins, then takes time to lick its wounds and rebuild their military and then goes against the Balkans and others. If any of those are NATO members, we may find ourselves in a real shooting war.
But on the bright side, there is a lot of talk about 6 or 7 members of the Biden crime family getting payoffs from China. I hope that investigation goes somewhere.
Post by: Number7 on March 16, 2023, 05:45:07 PM
Almost no one thinks the scam in ukraine is either legit, or necessary to national security, or world stability.
The ones breathlessly interested in it all seem to be drooling liberals, sucking up whatever lies the fucking senile pedophile is spouting.
This scam war is about as legit as mmgw and 80 million biden voters and the majority know it.
Post by: Rush on March 17, 2023, 05:38:50 AM
In case jim isn't paying attention... liberal libertarianism being what it is and all.
Almost no one thinks the scam in ukraine is either legit, or necessary to national security, or world stability.
The ones breathlessly interested in it all seem to be drooling liberals, sucking up whatever lies the fucking senile pedophile are spouting.
This scam war is about as legit as mmgw and 80 million biden voters and the majority know it.
I broke down and opened a conversation with my brother on the subject of Ukraine. I was genuinely curious what his opinion was since he has military experience but is a liberal, and we have not spoken about politics since 2016. Sure enough he is on board with what mainstream media and Biden are pushing. Putin must be stopped, he is an existential threat and we must do everything we can to help Ukraine because once Ukraine falls, the rest of Europe will fall like dominos. Where have I heard that before?
Post by: Anthony on March 17, 2023, 07:55:06 AM
I broke down and opened a conversation with my brother on the subject of Ukraine. I was genuinely curious what his opinion was since he has military experience but is a liberal, and we have not spoken about politics since 2016. Sure enough he is on board with what mainstream media and Biden are pushing. Putin must be stopped, he is an existential threat and we must do everything we can to help Ukraine because once Ukraine falls, the rest of Europe will fall like dominos. Where have I heard that before?
Most people today are EASILY brainwashed and indoctrinated. Look at the Covid SCAM, Man Made Climate, EVs, etc.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 17, 2023, 09:47:22 AM
I broke down and opened a conversation with my brother on the subject of Ukraine. I was genuinely curious what his opinion was since he has military experience but is a liberal, and we have not spoken about politics since 2016. Sure enough he is on board with what mainstream media and Biden are pushing. Putin must be stopped, he is an existential threat and we must do everything we can to help Ukraine because once Ukraine falls, the rest of Europe will fall like dominos. Where have I heard that before?And if we defeat Putin, who does he say should pay to rebuild a decimated Ukraine?
Post by: Rush on March 17, 2023, 10:52:28 AM
And if we defeat Putin, who does he say should pay to rebuild a decimated Ukraine?
Didn’t get that far but apparently the fact that the U.S. is on the verge of fiscal bankruptcy as it is, doesn’t concern him for this part, so I guess he won’t mind paying taxes and higher prices with runaway inflation to do that either.
Post by: Username on March 17, 2023, 11:10:09 AM
Post by: Rush on March 17, 2023, 11:25:15 AM
Can the US ever go bankrupt? The government can just print more money. Of course that will cause massive inflation and bankrupt the population, but the government will be just fine. For a while.
Yep. The government will continue as a going concern, to help Ukraine and all the other irresponsible shoveling of Monopoly money around the world while sucking blood out of the people to prop it all up.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 17, 2023, 06:45:12 PM
Post by: Number7 on March 17, 2023, 06:47:53 PM
Everybody else will hold everyone involved in contempt as they should.
Post by: Rush on March 17, 2023, 06:48:05 PM
FOXNews is reporting Trump will be arrested next week. What is your opinion on what will happen poll wise and support wise should that occur?
I have no idea what to think at this point. But I know this is an organized effort by the Uniparty to destroy Trump. It might backfire on them.
Looks like Biden is trying to incite MAGA to “riot”. They’re really concerned about that, didn’t give a flip about BLM/Antifa rioting for months all over the country.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 17, 2023, 07:14:15 PM
FOXNews is reporting Trump will be arrested next week. What is your opinion on what will happen poll wise and support wise should that occur?
The dubious legal theory is outlined here:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/03/alvin-bragg-prepares-to-torch-his-credibility-for-a-mug-shot/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/03/alvin-bragg-prepares-to-torch-his-credibility-for-a-mug-shot/)
The DA is torching his own career for a momentary show. Anyone paying attention already knows that the left has been trying for years to pin something on Trump and the left doesn't care how it is done. So I don't think it will affect the polls much.
Post by: Lucifer on March 18, 2023, 01:31:15 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 18, 2023, 01:37:06 AM
Post by: Rush on March 18, 2023, 05:53:41 AM
Haha! I overslept and just woke up and the first thing I did was look to see if Styx did a video on this which I knew he would. Have to finish my coffee and put in my Bluetooth hearing aids before I can listen to it.
Post by: Username on March 18, 2023, 07:35:04 AM
And of course:
You can't win,
Post by: Rush on March 18, 2023, 07:57:02 AM
The EmperorTrump : You want this, don't you? The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it. I am unarmed. Strike me down with it. Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant.
And of course:
You can't win,VaderBiden. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
You read my mind, I thought about this exact scene. Still not sure his power will survive election fraud.
Post by: Username on March 18, 2023, 08:03:20 AM
You read my mind, I thought about this exact scene. Still not sure his power will survive election fraud.I'm hoping this will overwhelm the fraud and expose it. But I expect that Antifa and various other activists will put on Trump hats and riot and break and kill for the MSM to eat up and broadcast 24/7. Just like J6, only far, far worse.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 18, 2023, 06:22:59 PM
Post by: Rush on March 18, 2023, 07:13:39 PM
Post by: Lucifer on March 19, 2023, 03:03:33 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 19, 2023, 05:06:45 AM
Post by: Little Joe on March 19, 2023, 05:53:45 AM
That’s rich.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 19, 2023, 06:03:56 AM
Post by: Rush on March 19, 2023, 06:05:31 AM
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1637236982001672192
This is mafia tactics. Twisting the law for pure political power. He turned a misdemeanor into a felony solely to get Trump. This cannot be allowed to stand.
Post by: Rush on March 19, 2023, 06:06:41 AM
Trump needs to start talking about what his plans are if he is elected. If all he can do is try to rip on DeSantis, I'm out. At least Vivek talks about what he wants to accomplish. Hell, DeSantis hasn't even announced.
He has. You just don’t see it. The media has a blackout on him, except the nasty DeSantis sound bites. They want you to abandon him.
Post by: Number7 on March 19, 2023, 06:12:08 AM
We all know you HATE President Trump and never miss a chance to show your purity about it.
Keep it up. Soon you will qualify for your participation trophy from the CNN school of broadcasting excellence.
Post by: Lucifer on March 19, 2023, 08:49:41 AM
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House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. James Comer (R-KY) joined Maria Bartiromo this morning on Sunday Morning Futures.
Rep. Comer was asked about DA Alvin Bragg’s announcement on Friday that President Trump will be arrested on bogus obstruction charges involving a deal signed by stripper Stormy Daniels. The case has already been thrown out of court and Stormy was ordered to pay President Trump $300,000 for filing the junk lawfare case against Mr. Trump.
Comer said he thought it was odd that this took place THE DAY AFTER Congress released proof that the Biden family was paid millions by the China regime in secret deals not reported by the criminal family.
Comer also announced the Oversight Committee has bank records on 11 more illicit Biden family business deals.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 19, 2023, 10:21:05 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 19, 2023, 10:24:33 AM
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The thread starts off with the WaPo’s Josh Dawsey pushing another hit piece on President Trump, trying to explain how it now makes sense to make a misdemeanor a felony that occurred six years ago as long as it takes down President Trump.
Ohio Senator J.D. Vance responded to Dawsey’s tweet noting that Bragg’s case is garbage and that the this same District Attorney is allowing criminals to run free in New York City. He rightly claims that these actions taken by Democrat public officials are third-world tactics.
Then Vance opines that this will cause President Trump to win in a landslide in 2024.
But why does this not scare Democrats or prevent them from acting like communist tyrants?
The reason is that the Democrats know that they are going to win the next election. They don’t know who will win, they don’t yet know the name of the Democrat winner, they just know they will win.
Communist leader Lenin stole elections in Russia and then after multiple elections, the election process was over. That is what communists do.
Post by: Number7 on March 19, 2023, 11:11:33 AM
I never saw this coming.
Never Trumpers never stop to think of the damage they do the party with their Trump Derangement Suyndrome.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/03/right-on-schedule-the-media-decide-desantis-is-worse-than-trump/
Post by: Lucifer on March 19, 2023, 11:18:09 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11878477/Another-Republican-denounces-DeSantis-calling-Ukraine-war-territorial-dispute.html
Post by: Little Joe on March 19, 2023, 01:25:53 PM
Oh, gee…Why should they? Trump doesn't give a damn about the damage he causes to the party, as long as he is able to make himself look good, at which he usually fails miserably.
I never saw this coming.
Never Trumpers never stop to think of the damage they do the party with their Trump Derangement Suyndrome.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/03/right-on-schedule-the-media-decide-desantis-is-worse-than-trump/
edit: It's not that I care so much about the Republican party. But it's better than the alternative (D) party. And when I see Trump actively destroying the R party, I see him giving us Ds in Washington.
Post by: Lucifer on March 19, 2023, 02:07:05 PM
The problems of the RNC have been brought on by their piss poor management and RINO’s. What Trump did was bring more people into the party (fact) and brought focus. This pissed off the establishment types who, like their UniParty counterparts, only want votes and want everyone to shut up and obey.
The RNC is focused on war for profit, big government and more spending, just like their UniParty associates. The RNC is not America First. They scoff at the flyover country.
Post by: elwood blues on March 19, 2023, 03:44:33 PM
Why should they? Trump doesn't give a damn about the damage he causes to the party...,
I'm not sure Trump is even a republican. I myself don't care about the Republican Party. I hope it does get damaged, even destroyed.
What Trump does care about is America and ordinary Americans. What galls him is this once great country has been brought to its knees by the elites. What Trumps hates is that the politicians are destroying the hopes and dreams of ordinary Americans and his actions have shown that he wants that restored.
It's been over six years and you still can't figure that out.
Post by: Little Joe on March 19, 2023, 03:48:34 PM
I'm not sure Trump is even a republican. I myself don't care about the Republican Party. I hope it does get damaged, even destroyed.I used to believe that. Now I see that all Trump cares about is Trump. Can't YOU figure that out?
What Trump does care about is America and ordinary Americans. What galls him is this once great country has been brought to its knees by the elites. What Trumps hates is that the politicians are destroying the hopes and dreams of ordinary Americans and his actions have shown that he wants that restored.
It's been over six years and you still can't figure that out.
When his goals aligned with ours, it was a good ride. That ride has ended.
Post by: elwood blues on March 19, 2023, 03:58:24 PM
Why don't you enlighten the crowd. Please be specific.
Post by: Little Joe on March 19, 2023, 04:18:43 PM
No, I can't. I haven't seen any indication that he's doing this for himself -- quite the opposite actually.Why is he trashing DeSantis?
Why don't you enlighten the crowd. Please be specific.
Post by: Lucifer on March 19, 2023, 05:08:20 PM
I used to believe that. Now I see that all Trump cares about is Trump. Can't YOU figure that out?
When his goals aligned with ours, it was a good ride.
I've been reading and listening. His goals are:
America First
Energy independence
Smaller Government
Reduce Government Spending
Reduce Government Regulation
Peace through Strength
Make other countries pay their fair share
Stop funding countries that hate us
A secure border
Prosperity for all Americans
So help us understand why these are not your goals?
That ride has ended.
It ended when the republicans let an election get stolen and didn't fight back.
Elections have consequences. Stolen elections have dire consequences.
Post by: Lucifer on March 19, 2023, 05:10:02 PM
Why is he trashing DeSantis?
It's called politics. It's a blood sport, and not for the faint of heart (or pansies) ;)
Post by: Number7 on March 19, 2023, 08:30:40 PM
Why should they? Trump doesn't give a damn about the damage he causes to the party, as long as he is able to make himself look good, at which he usually fails miserably.
edit: It's not that I care so much about the Republican party. But it's better than the alternative (D) party. And when I see Trump actively destroying the R party, I see him giving us Ds in Washington.
It must give cnn great comfort knowing you are promoting their party line constantly.
Post by: Number7 on March 19, 2023, 08:33:17 PM
Why is he trashing DeSantis?
What the fuck business is it of yours?
You set yourself up as some kind of general conscience for the entire political world, but always fall back on repeating the bullshit line of the lame stream.
Why can’t you just admit that you personally dislike Donald Trump and use any artifice to trash him, and get it over with.? It’s not like we don’t already know this all about your ego and objectivity blindness.
Post by: Number7 on March 19, 2023, 08:35:02 PM
I've been reading and listening. His goals are:
America First
Energy independence
Smaller Government
Reduce Government Spending
Reduce Government Regulation
Peace through Strength
Make other countries pay their fair share
Stop funding countries that hate us
A secure border
Prosperity for all Americans
So help us understand why these are not your goals?
It ended when the republicans let an election get stolen and didn't fight back.
Elections have consequences. Stolen elections have dire consequences.
Little joe HATES Donald Trump. His ego is offended to the point that he is utterly blind to the greatness of his agenda. Somehow Joey thinks the President should act like every other fake ass rino, instead of standing up lime a man to the fucking left.
It really is that simple.
Post by: Lucifer on March 19, 2023, 08:46:27 PM
Post by: Number7 on March 19, 2023, 09:11:01 PM
https://donsurber.substack.com/p/libs-want-a-trump-desantis-war
So does little joey
Post by: Rush on March 20, 2023, 02:47:19 AM
https://donsurber.substack.com/p/libs-want-a-trump-desantis-war
Good LORD!
Quote
I’d like to see their denunciations when rhetoric was used against Trump was the type they complain about that he uses.
Grammar! Punctuation! Proofread and edit! Here, I have to do it:
I’d like to see their denunciations,(comma!) when rhetoric that was used against Trump was the type they complain about, (comma!)that he uses.
Or better: I’d like to see their denunciations when rhetoric was used against Trump of the type they complain about when he uses it.
No comma necessary because it flows clearly.
That being said, it’s a great article and spot on. Obviously a thoughtful journalist; why the hell can’t he write?
I’m going back to sleep and dream people can speak and write good English anymore.
Post by: Anthony on March 20, 2023, 03:16:50 AM
The Republican Party is dysfunctional. It’s now owned and operated by the establishment. They have been destroying themselves for decades.
The problems of the RNC have been brought on by their piss poor management and RINO’s. What Trump did was bring more people into the party (fact) and brought focus. This pissed off the establishment types who, like their UniParty counterparts, only want votes and want everyone to shut up and obey.
The RNC is focused on war for profit, big government and more spending, just like their UniParty associates. The RNC is not America First. They scoff at the flyover country.
Spot on. The Republican Party needs to be destroyed and rebuilt in the Populist, America FIRST model.
Joe, you're believing the Media again.
Post by: Little Joe on March 20, 2023, 04:23:08 AM
I have said many times that I don't personally like DT. He is a self centered, narcissist jerk. But back when he was President I liked almost all of the things he did. But after losing the election he went off the rails. Worse than even Hillary did. I think he snapped and I don't want a President that has snapped.
Why can’t you just admit that you personally dislike Donald Trump
Post by: Rush on March 20, 2023, 04:56:42 AM
I have said many times that I don't personally like DT. He is a self centered, narcissist jerk. But back when he was President I liked almost all of the things he did. But after losing the election he went off the rails. Worse than even Hillary did. I think he snapped and I don't want a President that has snapped.
If he gets in office again he’ll unsnap.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 20, 2023, 05:27:45 AM
If he gets in office again he’ll unsnap.
We will never know
Post by: Rush on March 20, 2023, 06:15:31 AM
We will never know
Probably not. The Democrats have permanently taken over and they will get us into a nuclear exchange with Russia within the next few years, and we’re all fucked.
Post by: Number7 on March 20, 2023, 06:31:49 AM
There must be some kind of special brain damage that drives liberal republicans to please the democrats.
Post by: Little Joe on March 20, 2023, 06:34:21 AM
Post by: Anthony on March 20, 2023, 06:50:42 AM
There must be some kind of brain damage to people that would knowingly nominate someone that they know will lost to the Democrats.
It was GUARANTEED he'd lose against Hillary. Remember?
However, the Democrats have it so rigged now, no Republican can win.
Post by: Rush on March 20, 2023, 07:20:37 AM
We're all so proud of the monetary support Trump has been providing for the J6 Defendants rotting in jail n D.C. because they were trying to support their CIC.
Do we know that he hasn’t?
Have you known him to do anything without publicly taking credit for it? This is not a slam on him, just the reality of how he operates.
Logical fallacy. If he did something and didn’t publicly take credit for it, we wouldn’t know about it, would we?
Ah ha! Apparently he has (paid for their defense and taken credit for it), as told on Truth Social. Because there is a media blackout on Trump, we really have no idea what he's actually thinking and doing without going into his own platform.
Start this at 20:45
https://rumble.com/v2dyn52-monday-live-trump-indictment-abortion-pills-joe-exotic-2024-etc-superchats.html
Post by: bflynn on March 20, 2023, 07:34:06 AM
It was GUARANTEED he'd lose against Hillary. Remember?
However, the Democrats have it so rigged now, no Republican can win.
Without the FBI saying something really late, he would have. His cumulative margin of victory in the bubble states was amazingly low, something 50,000 votes.
And 100% he was going to beat the brainless robot who had like 10 people at his rallies, right.
Post by: Lucifer on March 20, 2023, 08:50:51 AM
Just saying…..
Post by: Rush on March 20, 2023, 09:07:31 AM
Without the FBI saying something really late, he would have. His cumulative margin of victory in the bubble states was amazingly low, something 50,000 votes.
And 100% he was going to beat the brainless robot who had like 10 people at his rallies, right.
I’m sure he actually did a lot better in those states but there was already cheating back then. They just hadn’t upped their game enough like they did in 2020. But even if he didn’t and the margin was that narrow, he was an unknown and a “joke”, it’s amazing he did as well as he did. I myself doubted him and did not vote for him in the primary but of course I would have voted for an inert rock before Hillary.
Post by: Little Joe on March 20, 2023, 09:41:02 AM
Joe, you really, really need to step away from the pilots place.What's it like going through life afraid to hear a dissenting opinion.
Just saying…..
You make fun of snowflakes, but you use PS as your safe space, and you get your panties in a wad when someone says something that offends you.
PilotSpin is the place I really should step away from, but it is just too much fun.
Post by: Lucifer on March 20, 2023, 09:57:46 AM
What's it like going through life afraid to hear a dissenting opinion.
You make fun of snowflakes, but you use PS as your safe space, and you get your panties in a wad when someone says something that offends you.
PilotSpin is the place I really should step away from, but it is just too much fun.
No wadded panties here Sparky. And if you hadn't noticed, I don't get offended. I do however counter lame bullshit.
Oh, and yes, I do make fun of snowflakes. Especially a pansy. ;)
Post by: Number7 on March 20, 2023, 10:06:03 AM
There must be some kind of brain damage to people that would knowingly nominate someone that they know will lost to the Democrats.
Ummm.... what do you think happened in all those shithole, democrat states last November.....
It seems like the democrats just make up the election results they want.
How will that work with a weaker candidate that they manipulated weak ass republicans like you into hating???
Your TDS is really getting bad.
Post by: Anthony on March 20, 2023, 10:41:06 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 21, 2023, 08:22:18 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1637894301861437441
Post by: nddons on March 21, 2023, 10:20:56 AM
If he gets in office again he’ll unsnap.What makes you say that? I see a potential second term consisting of personal retribution, not governance.
But this is academic. No one here has made a good case as to how he will attract the middle in order to win a general election, which is a requirement to becoming president.
That’s one reason I like DeSantis over Trump. The second is I could get 8 years out of DeSantis. That matters greatly, given our ages.
Post by: Username on March 21, 2023, 10:27:59 AM
That’s one reason I like DeSantis over Trump. The second is I could get 8 years out of DeSantis. That matters greatly, given our ages.Why is there the assumption that DeSantis will win reelection? I'm sure that if he wins the nomination then the state and MSM will go after him just like they went after Trump. Only now they have practice. I think we'd be lucky if he lasts four years. Why not go with who would be best for the country, even if it's for only four years? Whether it's Trump or DeSantis, we should choose the best. Not whether or not they can get reelected.
Why not Trump? Then DeSantis? We'd have 12 years!
Post by: Rush on March 21, 2023, 10:35:27 AM
What makes you say that? I see a potential second term consisting of personal retribution, not governance.
But this is academic. No one here has made a good case as to how he will attract the middle in order to win a general election, which is a requirement to becoming president.
That’s one reason I like DeSantis over Trump. The second is I could get 8 years out of DeSantis. That matters greatly, given our ages.
He wanted a second term and being literally cheated out of it is the source of all his current rage. If he gets his second term, I have no reason to think he won’t continue the same country building good policies he did the first time. No reason he can’t do that and get personal retribution; the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Post by: nddons on March 21, 2023, 10:53:42 AM
Why is there the assumption that DeSantis will win reelection? I'm sure that if he wins the nomination then the state and MSM will go after him just like they went after Trump. Only now they have practice. I think we'd be lucky if he lasts four years. Why not go with who would be best for the country, even if it's for only four years? Whether it's Trump or DeSantis, we should choose the best. Not whether or not they can get reelected.Im not making the assumption he would get re-elected. I’m stating the FACT that he CAN get re-elected, which is something Trump cannot deliver.
Why not Trump? Then DeSantis? We'd have 12 years!
In that regard, I do think DeSantis would be better for the country. He is not bringing the baggage that Trump has; some due to the swamp’s hatred of him, and some due to his own doing. I’ve not heard anything DeSantis has done or said that I would not support. That may eventually happen, but using Reagan’s 80% rule, I’m inclined to give him the nod.
As for 12 years, the electorate has only rewarded the presidency to two candidates from the same party back to back twice in the last 100 years. The last time that happened, it followed the term where Reagan won 49 states in the blowout election of 1984 GHW Bush rode those coattails to victory in 1988.
With this divided nation, I don’t think that can ever happen again.
Post by: Lucifer on March 21, 2023, 10:58:11 AM
I'm still waiting on whoever the republican nominee is to articulate how they can win the general with the known problems in the battleground states. We still have denial in the republican party on voter fraud, and they still insist on 30,000' views of the issues.
Post by: nddons on March 21, 2023, 10:58:38 AM
He wanted a second term and being literally cheated out of it is the source of all his current rage. If he gets his second term, I have no reason to think he won’t continue the same country building good policies he did the first time. No reason he can’t do that and get personal retribution; the two aren’t mutually exclusive.Yes he did. But during his term, he wasn’t encumbered by needing to rage. Now he will be so encumbered.
To get things done, you need some cooperation from Congress. He couldn’t get things done when he had both House and Senate. I don’t see that dynamic improving.
One thing everyone can admit is that it’s always about him. He can’t keep his yap shut even when a democrat is destroying himself. And he won’t be able to stand to the side and let democrats destroy themselves next time.
Post by: Anthony on March 21, 2023, 11:11:10 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 21, 2023, 11:17:37 AM
IF DeSantis were to get nominated, and win, he will be in no better position to deal with the swamp. The swamp (aka "establishment") are not going to let another president stand up to them.
The swamp creatures want Jeb! or a milktoast RINO who will obey. On the other hand, the dems hold the key now to any presidential election, and I don't see them letting go.
Post by: Username on March 21, 2023, 11:25:55 AM
But it's still 18 months out. And I'm in a state where my vote really doesn't count at the federal level. Maybe I'm old or cynical (or both!), but anything that happens in DC really doesn't affect me. And I'm just tired of the whole shit-show. I'll go kiss my wife, hug my dogs, fly my plane, and get into my happy place.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 21, 2023, 12:43:21 PM
Post by: Lucifer on March 21, 2023, 01:43:06 PM
Post by: Little Joe on March 21, 2023, 01:52:08 PM
I heard they were building a gallows in Times SquareFake News!
It's a Pillory.
Post by: Rush on March 22, 2023, 06:54:46 AM
DeSantis missed an opportunity to subjugate Trump and seal his position as a younger, stronger, more dominant male. (I’ll let Styx explain how.) Instead it came off as grudging support but including a little moral self righteous dig. This actually kept him on Trump’s level or below.
With the mess this country is in, I want the strongest Alpha on our side. Between the two of them right now, it’s still Trump. That could change in 18 months, and eventually will change as Trump ages, but DeSantis has yet to prove himself.
9:15 to 18:00
Post by: nddons on March 22, 2023, 08:18:49 AM
DeSantis, if nominated, will have to come up with a plan to get the MAGA supporters on his side. He can't win in the general without them. And that is a significant portion of the party.For 45 years I’ve had to vote for candidates that I didn’t want, but who became my nominee. I don’t think MAGA supporters are stupid, and won’t be stupid when it comes to the general election and sit on their hands. Though there are a few here that I wonder about.
I'm still waiting on whoever the republican nominee is to articulate how they can win the general with the known problems in the battleground states. We still have denial in the republican party on voter fraud, and they still insist on 30,000' views of the issues.
I’m still trying to figure out the point of your last paragraph, which you keep bringing up when I bring up my support of DeSantis. I’m not ignorant of the problems, but what point are you trying to make? That we shouldn’t even fight since it’s in the cards that we lose? That’s not in my DNA. I’ll fight until my last breath, because doing anything less means surrender. Is that what you’re advocating - we should act like the French?
Post by: Rush on March 22, 2023, 08:37:32 AM
For 45 years I’ve had to vote for candidates that I didn’t want, but who became my nominee. I don’t think MAGA supporters are stupid, and won’t be stupid when it comes to the general election and sit on their hands. Though there are a few here that I wonder about.
I’m still trying to figure out the point of your last paragraph, which you keep bringing up when I bring up my support of DeSantis. I’m not ignorant of the problems, but what point are you trying to make? That we shouldn’t even fight since it’s in the cards that we lose? That’s not in my DNA. I’ll fight until my last breath, because doing anything less means surrender. Is that what you’re advocating - we should act like the French?
Not to speak for what Luci means but maybe he means we need massive attacks from the Republican Party on voter fraud and I don’t see it happening.
Most of MAGA will vote for DeSantis in the general but it needs to be enough numbers to overwhelm the cheating, and that’s a bar so high I don’t know if we can reach it. It needs to be all of MAGA plus most independents plus continued defection from blacks and Hispanics, and make no mistake, it was Trump that brought them over, not GOP. Although DeSantis in FL did bring FL Hispanics. That’s not necessarily going to translate nationwide.
Post by: Lucifer on March 22, 2023, 09:18:02 AM
For 45 years I’ve had to vote for candidates that I didn’t want, but who became my nominee. I don’t think MAGA supporters are stupid, and won’t be stupid when it comes to the general election and sit on their hands. Though there are a few here that I wonder about.
I’m still trying to figure out the point of your last paragraph, which you keep bringing up when I bring up my support of DeSantis. I’m not ignorant of the problems, but what point are you trying to make? That we shouldn’t even fight since it’s in the cards that we lose? That’s not in my DNA. I’ll fight until my last breath, because doing anything less means surrender. Is that what you’re advocating - we should act like the French?
My point is the republicans are still oblivious to voter fraud, instead insisting on shit heads like Karl Rove telling them to campaign on issues that the average voter doesn't care about.
Until they face reality, and acknowledge they are dealing with a rigged deck, all of this is meaningless. Trying to say this candidate or that candidate can win is mental masturbation when we all damn well know it's rigged.
I want to see results. When a candidate will admit to what is going on, and articulate a plan to beat it, I'm all in. But I'm not going to sit back with high hopes on election night and watch the late night shift and the communist steal another election.
Where's the fuckin' plan? Where's the strategy? We all know what's going on, who is going to stop it? With the election in 19 months, time is running out, and fast.
Post by: Anthony on March 22, 2023, 09:49:41 AM
For 45 years I’ve had to vote for candidates that I didn’t want, but who became my nominee. I don’t think MAGA supporters are stupid, and won’t be stupid when it comes to the general election and sit on their hands. Though there are a few here that I wonder about.
I’m still trying to figure out the point of your last paragraph, which you keep bringing up when I bring up my support of DeSantis. I’m not ignorant of the problems, but what point are you trying to make? That we shouldn’t even fight since it’s in the cards that we lose? That’s not in my DNA. I’ll fight until my last breath, because doing anything less means surrender. Is that what you’re advocating - we should act like the French?
I have no problem with DeSantis except he accepts the status quo of the Swamp, voter fraud, catering to the MIC, etc. Until he says and DOES differently I'll back Trump if I become politically active again. Nothing is going to change until we attack the root cause of the problem. The Uniparty.
I'll add that supporting and voting for Establishment Republicans, and most are, is counterproductive and actually works against our cause. It just continues and strengthens the corruption happening. No more lesser of two evils for me. Done!
Post by: nddons on March 22, 2023, 12:31:19 PM
I have no problem with DeSantis except he accepts the status quo of the Swamp, voter fraud, catering to the MIC, etc. Until he says and DOES differently I'll back Trump if I become politically active again. Nothing is going to change until we attack the root cause of the problem. The Uniparty.Sorry, but you need to back up your first sentence.
I'll add that supporting and voting for Establishment Republicans, and most are, is counterproductive and actually works against our cause. It just continues and strengthens the corruption happening. No more lesser of two evils for me. Done!
DeSantis co-founded the House Freedom Caucus. How does he accept the status quo if the swamp?
In May 2021 DeSantis signed a voting bill that enforced voter ID, banned ballot harvesting, prohibited mass mailing of ballots, and prohibits use of private funds (Zucker Bucks) for election related expenses. Not exactly the status quo, is it?
John Bolton said on Rumble that DeSantis is “a puppet” for the MIC. This is rich from a guy who hasn’t found a country yet they he didn’t want to invade and conduct regime change operations.
Meanwhile, LAST WEEK, DeSantis said we shouldn’t be involved in providing weaponry and money to Ukraine. That’s certain to piss off the MIC. So which is it - is he a slave to the MIC, or is he an independent thinker on the use of military force?
Post by: Anthony on March 22, 2023, 04:17:15 PM
Sorry, but you need to back up your first sentence.
DeSantis co-founded the House Freedom Caucus. How does he accept the status quo if the swamp?
In May 2021 DeSantis signed a voting bill that enforced voter ID, banned ballot harvesting, prohibited mass mailing of ballots, and prohibits use of private funds (Zucker Bucks) for election related expenses. Not exactly the status quo, is it?
John Bolton said on Rumble that DeSantis is “a puppet” for the MIC. This is rich from a guy who hasn’t found a country yet they he didn’t want to invade and conduct regime change operations.
Meanwhile, LAST WEEK, DeSantis said we shouldn’t be involved in providing weaponry and money to Ukraine. That’s certain to piss off the MIC. So which is it - is he a slave to the MIC, or is he an independent thinker on the use of military force?
All good points Stan, but can he get support from the Republican Party, which is run by the Establishment staying that way? Will he Administer that way? Dunno, guess we'll see.
Like I said. I've got no problem with the guy. Trump has a proven track record of running on the proper agenda then actually putting it in place. Yes, he may be damaged goods. So far, I'm willing to take that calculated risk.
Post by: nddons on March 22, 2023, 09:41:41 PM
I completely agree with Styx on DeSantis here. He nails what has been bothering me in the back of my mind about DeSantis but couldn’t articulate. While I thought DeSantis’s reaction to the NY witch hunt against Trump was “okay”, it was not satisfying.I listed to it, and I don’t agree with Styx that DeSantis’ delay in saying anything was a grave error. I think he would be criticized either way. If he said nothing right away, he’s getting criticized. If jumped in the fray immediately, he could be seen as an opportunist.
DeSantis missed an opportunity to subjugate Trump and seal his position as a younger, stronger, more dominant male. (I’ll let Styx explain how.) Instead it came off as grudging support but including a little moral self righteous dig. This actually kept him on Trump’s level or below.
With the mess this country is in, I want the strongest Alpha on our side. Between the two of them right now, it’s still Trump. That could change in 18 months, and eventually will change as Trump ages, but DeSantis has yet to prove himself.
9:15 to 18:00
“Protecting your citizen” is a canard. This is an out-of-state grand jury and DA trying to make a NY misdemeanor into a federal felony of a former president with a Secret Service detail. DeSantis has no jurisdiction. None.
Post by: Rush on March 23, 2023, 05:08:34 AM
I listed to it, and I don’t agree with Styx that DeSantis’ delay in saying anything was a grave error. I think he would be criticized either way. If he said nothing right away, he’s getting criticized. If jumped in the fray immediately, he could be seen as an opportunist.
“Protecting your citizen” is a canard. This is an out-of-state grand jury and DA trying to make a NY misdemeanor into a federal felony of a former president with a Secret Service detail. DeSantis has no jurisdiction. None.
Can’t a state protect someone from extradition?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 23, 2023, 08:06:04 AM
Post by: Number7 on March 23, 2023, 08:18:01 AM
Latest Poll.....
It's easy to see why so many liberal republicans say Donald Trump can't win.
But... the story is starting to change, as liberal republicans now claim that it is because he can't win two more terms.
Next week it will probably be something new.
Post by: Rush on March 23, 2023, 08:42:39 AM
Latest Poll.....
Thank you so much, I was trying to find exactly that.
Post by: nddons on March 23, 2023, 09:36:46 AM
It's easy to see why so many liberal republicans say Donald Trump can't win.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230323/a4218e68baeb0467ae77ae96c4d949b7.jpg)
But... the story is starting to change, as liberal republicans now claim that it is because he can't win two more terms.
Next week it will probably be something new.
Post by: nddons on March 23, 2023, 09:56:06 AM
Can’t a state protect someone from extradition?No, per the Extradition Clause in Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution.
Post by: Number7 on March 23, 2023, 10:07:11 AM
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Add in mushy liberal, rino and I guess that describes you to a T then.
Post by: Anthony on March 23, 2023, 12:07:46 PM
Add in mushy liberal, rino and I guess that describes you to a T then.
Stan is no mushy, liberal, rino. He's being Pragmatic and much of me agrees with him if it wasn't for how bad things have gotten and how much worse it will get unless we throw the Hail Mary pass with Trump.
Post by: Number7 on March 23, 2023, 02:22:42 PM
Bush 43 was a fucking disaster.
Eight more years of liberal rink in the White House will never happen because the debt will collapse the country and china will need a new bitch.
Post by: Number7 on March 24, 2023, 05:17:07 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/03/23/donald-trump-holds-definitive-lead-joe-biden-likely-2024-matchup/
Post by: Rush on March 24, 2023, 06:03:39 AM
It looks like President Trump polls ahead of the senile imposter, and everybody else in a 2024 matchup.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/03/23/donald-trump-holds-definitive-lead-joe-biden-likely-2024-matchup/
“Trump would beat Biden in a landslide,” the pollster analyzed.
Did the pollster account for the cheating?
Post by: Little Joe on March 24, 2023, 01:21:42 PM
Latest Poll.....I assume that was just a poll of Republicans.
So, even if it was true, then Trump only gets 41% of Rs, who make up around a 3rd of voters, so he is approve by around 13% of voters, since almost nobody else but hard core right wing will vote for him.
DeSantis may only have 27% of the Rs, but he would probably get most of the Independent vote and a lot of the Ds that are fed up with crime and inflation.
But LOOK AT NIKKI! She Tripled her approval rating!
November '24 is still a long way away.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 24, 2023, 01:56:26 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 24, 2023, 04:07:18 PM
Waiting to see Vivek get some traction. At least he's out talking about he wants to accomplish.
Speaking of trying to find substance, I went to https://www.donaldjtrump.com/mission (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/mission) to see if Trump had specific policies he was proposing and found this snippet:
"Our populist movement to Make America Great Again is the only force on earth that will lead our country back to safety, prosperity, and peace."
It is interesting that they didn't use "conservative".
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 24, 2023, 04:54:21 PM
I approve of some, neutral on others, but disagree on these:
o "President Trump will implement a 4-year national reshoring plan so that the United States no longer needs to rely on China for essential medical and national security goods...."
No good can come from further Federal intervention in international free trade. It's a 4 year plan because that is all the time he'll have in office.
o "He will deliver record funding to hire and retrain police officers, strengthen qualified immunity...."
Qualified immunity needs no strengthening. It should be abolished. The U.S. survived without the concept for most of its history until the courts invented it.
o "He will impose a total naval embargo on cartels, order the Department of Defense to inflict maximum damage on cartel leadership and operations, designate cartels as Foreign Terrorist Organizations, and choke off their access to the global financial system. "
Sounds like starting a war in Mexico. No thanks.
o "President Trump will cut federal funding for any school or program pushing Critical Race Theory or gender ideology on our children."
More of an observation: isn't most education funding at the elementary and high school level from local sources like property taxes?
o "...uphold your religious liberty, including the Constitutional right to pray in public schools."
That right already exists - what was held unconstitutional was any form of organized praying directed by school officials.
o "...enacting landmark legislation to drastically limit the ability of big social media platforms to restrict free speech."
No thanks. Private property rights will get squashed in the process.
o "...a permanent ban on taxpayer funding of campaigns, a lifetime ban on lobbying by former members of Congress and cabinet members, and a ban on members of Congress trading stocks with insider information."
No to the first two and the last one would be iffy.
o "President Trump will always protect Medicare, Social Security,...."
The mutli-trillion dollar question is how can any of that be done without fiscal disaster?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 24, 2023, 05:37:18 PM
Trump lists many proposal here: https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda)
I approve of some, neutral on others, but disagree on these:
o "President Trump will implement a 4-year national reshoring plan so that the United States no longer needs to rely on China for essential medical and national security goods...."
No good can come from further Federal intervention in international free trade. It's a 4 year plan because that is all the time he'll have in office.
o "He will deliver record funding to hire and retrain police officers, strengthen qualified immunity...."
Qualified immunity needs no strengthening. It should be abolished. The U.S. survived without the concept for most of its history until the courts invented it.
[snip]
wrt "reshoring": Seems to me that "international free trade" doesn't exist. at. all. Anyway, I don't know why you (or anyone) should object to having our own sources of essential goods... ya know, not being held hostage by some other country for things we need. An example: during the covid-19 panic, in maskachusetts, there was a considerable effort to develop our own sources for essential PPE, including masks.
wrt: qualified immunity: The US survived without it for so long.... until lawyers and plaintiff discovered the bonanza of playing lawsuit lottery games.
edit: I was commenting on Jim's claim that qualified immunity needs to be abolished. Don't confuse my post as complete and total agreement that qualified immunity is a God-given right...
Post by: Number7 on March 24, 2023, 06:47:52 PM
I appreciate your opinion but totally disagree with your conclusions.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 24, 2023, 08:56:26 PM
Your libertarian principles don't track with the real world nearly as well as you think.
I appreciate your opinion but totally disagree with your conclusions.
Even non-libertarians believe qualified immunity has run amok. Consider this case:
Law Enforcement Beat This Innocent Man to a Pulp. Will the Supreme Court Allow Him To Seek Recourse? (https://reason.com/2023/03/23/law-enforcement-beat-this-innocent-man-to-a-pulp-will-the-supreme-court-allow-him-to-seek-recourse/)
The guy is approached by two men in plain clothes and believes he is about to be mugged, so he runs. The two men never identify themselves and basically do mug him. Except they are police. The police made two mistakes: identifying the wrong man and never identifying themselves. Why shouldn't the guy get some sort of compensation from the government for mistakes they made? He is not at fault for his injuries. There are a lot of stories like his.
Post by: Number7 on March 24, 2023, 10:42:03 PM
Your argument can’t withstand strong examination if you have to resort to such extra normal examples to try and make a tenuous case at best. But it is a common libertarian/liberal viewpoint. Much the same as when liberals pretend that that abortion is healthcare because once in a very great while some woman may have a life threatening condition that makes a weak case for abortion the unborn child.
Post by: Rush on March 25, 2023, 08:02:50 AM
But as a pragmatist, I worry that due to changing culture and demographics we are facing a critical shortage of police officers. Ending qualified immunity may make this situation worse. It is proven that strong policing cuts down on crime. With the situation in the cities what they are, the last thing we want to do is weaken the police. Even if ending qualified immunity doesn’t result in a dearth of policemen, it may result in police being reluctant to act for fear of lawsuits.
One solution is for municipalities to shield officers from liability (pay for their defense and any settlements). I have a problem with the idea of low-salary police being open to high jury awards for trying to apprehend a criminal and making split second decisions under pressure. This hurts their families.
On the other hand there are abusive cops, and corruption in many forces, and it is often the innocent, not criminals, who are victims of police “over-enthusiasm” and they deserve justice and compensation.
Having said all that, right now I don’t think it’s an issue Trump should press. He will turn off libertarians and independents and he doesn’t need it to keep his MAGA core, so it’s not strategic, and he needs all the good strategy he can get to overcome the upcoming Democrat cheating.
2024 is more about getting rid of the Dems than about any of these myriad secondary issues. Focus on the big ones and many of the small ones will take care of themselves. Crime was at its lowest when Trump was in office before the pandemic. Minority unemployment was at its lowest (there’s a correlation there). Booming economy, low gas prices, no inflation, border under control, and no WW3. Get that back: Far more important than bickering over qualified immunity.
Post by: nddons on March 25, 2023, 09:56:05 AM
Qualified immunity is not law passed by Congress nor is it in the Constitution. It was pretty much legislated by the bench and was a reaction to claims, true or not, of excessive police brutality against blacks. It is indeed abused but to what extent is debatable. I am opposed to it on principle. No one, law enforcement or not, violating a person’s fourth amendment rights, should be shielded from liability. And it’s true we got along fine without it for most of our history.I was briefly a member of an Iowa county’s Sheriff’s Posse. It was a volunteer arm of the Sheriff’s department, and required a years worth of training, including weapons training after 6 months. We basically assisted the department with such things as serving as security at theaters, handling parades and events, being at sporting events, breaking up beer parties in the country, etc. and part of the training was of course use of force, etc. I don’t recall a qualified immunity discussion but I’m sure it was in there. We didn’t do traffic stops or other dynamic things.
But as a pragmatist, I worry that due to changing culture and demographics we are facing a critical shortage of police officers. Ending qualified immunity may make this situation worse. It is proven that strong policing cuts down on crime. With the situation in the cities what they are, the last thing we want to do is weaken the police. Even if ending qualified immunity doesn’t result in a dearth of policemen, it may result in police being reluctant to act for fear of lawsuits.
One solution is for municipalities to shield officers from liability (pay for their defense and any settlements). I have a problem with the idea of low-salary police being open to high jury awards for trying to apprehend a criminal and making split second decisions under pressure. This hurts their families.
On the other hand there are abusive cops, and corruption in many forces, and it is often the innocent, not criminals, who are victims of police “over-enthusiasm” and they deserve justice and compensation.
Having said all that, right now I don’t think it’s an issue Trump should press. He will turn off libertarians and independents and he doesn’t need it to keep his MAGA core, so it’s not strategic, and he needs all the good strategy he can get to overcome the upcoming Democrat cheating.
2024 is more about getting rid of the Dems than about any of these myriad secondary issues. Focus on the big ones and many of the small ones will take care of themselves. Crime was at its lowest when Trump was in office before the pandemic. Minority unemployment was at its lowest (there’s a correlation there). Booming economy, low gas prices, no inflation, border under control, and no WW3. Get that back: Far more important than bickering over qualified immunity.
Knowing what I know today, I would NEVER have volunteered to do that if there was no qualified immunity. Why would I risk my family and profession by volunteering to help the community?
I totally agree that there needs to be culpability when an LEO goes rogue and works outside of established rules.
Post by: Rush on March 25, 2023, 11:27:02 AM
I was briefly a member of an Iowa county’s Sheriff’s Posse. It was a volunteer arm of the Sheriff’s department, and required a years worth of training, including weapons training after 6 months. We basically assisted the department with such things as serving as security at theaters, handling parades and events, being at sporting events, breaking up beer parties in the country, etc. and part of the training was of course use of force, etc. I don’t recall a qualified immunity discussion but I’m sure it was in there. We didn’t do traffic stops or other dynamic things.
Knowing what I know today, I would NEVER have volunteered to do that if there was no qualified immunity. Why would I risk my family and profession by volunteering to help the community?
I totally agree that there needs to be culpability when an LEO goes rogue and works outside of established rules.
There’s a ton of stuff I did when young I’d never do now due to liability. Young and stupid, you just don’t know how one incident gone wrong can wreck your entire financial life. I was a breastfeeding counselor, also volunteer. One of the things we did was help women with mastitis (breast infection). Doctors would prescribe antibiotics but knew absolutely nothing about how to drain a red, painfully swollen, blocked breast. So this one time a lady called me from the hospital. She was in agony. Her milk had come in and she had a bad breast infection and one breast was totally blocked, could get no milk out, and of course milk was continually being made which just swelled up the tissues blocking the ducts even more. The nurses at the hospital had no idea how to get the flow started, they tried a breast pump but of course all that does is apply suction which does nothing if the ducts are sealed shut.
So I drove over there and get up to her room as a visitor (the hospital staff doesn’t know me from Adam) and the first thing I do is ask the nurse to bring me a large bowl with lots of ice. That nurse looked at me like “I’m not sure I should be taking orders from you,” but she did it. I made a slurry and helped the lady hang over the bowl and immerse her breast in the ice water. After a few minutes I was able to get the flow going using certain hand expression techniques appropriate for the situation. We got the breast empty and the lady was immensely relieved and so grateful. And even the nurse seemed pleased to have learned something.
But there is no way in hell I would do that today. In fact I’d be surprised if a hospital these days would allow it. Hands on treatment by a random stranger of a medical condition the hospital was already “treating”? Both myself and the hospital would be open for lawsuits if it went sideways. Suppose the infection went septic, she dies, and the family claims my manhandling the breast caused the spread?
Even with umbrella liability coverage I have now, it wouldn’t be worth it. Leave it to the naïve young’uns.
Post by: Lucifer on March 25, 2023, 03:13:12 PM
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s donors and supporters are beginning to question if the potential 2024 Republican presidential candidate should run in the next election cycle — a bid that would put him against former President Donald Trump — or wait until 2028, according to reports.
According to a report from NBC News, donors and supporters of DeSantis are having second thoughts on the prospect of the governor’s potential presidential bid. Per the report, one main issue seems to be the governor’s ability to take Trump — who has been criticizing the governor for months — head on.
Per the report:
At a Sunday luncheon following the annual Red Cross ball in Palm Beach, Florida, a group of 16 prominent Republicans, described by one attendee as a mix of DeSantis backers and Trump “skeptics,” discussed misgivings about the governor’s standing for the future if he tussles with the former president.
One attendee told the outlet that these individuals believe that DeSantis’s future is better secured without facing Trump directly this election cycle.
“He will get scarred up” by the former president, according to the attendee.
The report also highlighted the newfound hesitancy among some of DeSantis’s backers, including what NBC News described as “conservative billionaire shipping goods magnate Richard Uihlein” and his wife, who gave roughly half a million in contributions to DeSantis’s reelection campaign. NBC News, citing someone “familiar with the strategy” around their spending, said, “The brakes are pumped,” in part, due to DeSantis’s waning status in recent surveys. And, indeed, Trump has continued to grow in survey after survey, even garnering 50 percent or more as DeSantis appears to lose momentum, particularly following the news of Trump’s forthcoming indictment and what some conservatives view as the governor’s insufficient response. On Monday, two days after Trump initially announced his suspicion of a coming arrest, DeSantis told reporters that his administration is “not going to be involved” with a “manufactured circus by some Soros [backed] DA,” essentially dismissing it as a nonissue.
Meanwhile, recent polls demonstrate a boost for Trump as DeSantis’s figures drop or remain stagnant. For instance, a Harvard/Harris survey released this week found Trump leading the hypothetical 2024 GOP primary field by 26 points over DeSantis. This week’s Morning Consult survey told a similar story, with Trump expanding his lead over DeSantis to +28 percent in the last week alone. DeSantis, however, has infamously said that he does not base his governing or approach on fickle polls.
NBC News continued, noting it spoke with several GOP strategists and donors, inquiring if they believe it is possible for DeSantis to make a comeback.
One individual described as a “Republican campaign operative who speaks to donors regularly” said it is possible DeSantis has peaked and added that the governor’s response to Trump’s possible indictment “was really telling about how far behind the eight-ball” he is.
“DeSantis is doing a book tour. He’s barnstorming the country, and his polls are going down,” another strategist stated, noting that Trump, who is potentially set to be indicted, is going up in the polls.
“It’s just not a good look for DeSantis,” the individual added.
Another donor told the outlet he does not believe DeSantis can “ignore” Trump too much longer. However, DeSantis, who routinely avoids overtly criticizing Trump publicly, did highlight some issues with Trump during his recent interview with Piers Morgan, criticizing aspects of his leadership style but continuing to dismiss Trump’s critiques as “noise” as the former president has upped his attacks.
Post by: Lucifer on March 25, 2023, 03:17:30 PM
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WASHINGTON — Ron DeSantis may be missing his moment.
A number of the Florida governor’s donors and allies are worried his recent stumbles suggest he may not be ready for a brutal fight against Donald Trump. Some feel DeSantis needs to accelerate his timeline to run for the GOP presidential nomination and begin directly confronting Trump if he's to have any chance of thwarting the former president’s momentum. Others believe DeSantis should sidestep Trump altogether and wait until 2028 to run.
At a Sunday luncheon following the annual Red Cross ball in Palm Beach, Florida, a group of 16 prominent Republicans, described by one attendee as a mix of DeSantis backers and Trump "skeptics," discussed misgivings about the governor's standing for the future if he tussles with the former president.
“They liked him — many of them might even support him,” the person who was at the event said of DeSantis. “But they thought on balance that his long-term future was better without him trying to take Trump head on.”
“He will get scarred up” by Trump, the person added.
Then there’s conservative billionaire shipping goods magnate Richard Uihlein and his wife, Elizabeth, whose $500,000 in combined contributions ranked them among the most generous donors to DeSantis’ 2022 re-election campaign.
A person familiar with the strategy around Uihlein’s spending said that right now, “The brakes are pumped,” adding, “The polling really made different people pause.”
A spokesperson for the Uihleins declined to comment.
The fears of some of his own supporters, along with a growing sentiment among GOP operatives that Trump may be impossible to defeat — even with a possible indictment looming over him — present DeSantis with the conundrum of trying to demonstrate that he is a viable presidential candidate before he even launches his anticipated campaign.
NBC News spoke with more than 20 GOP strategists, politicians and donors about whether DeSantis can bounce back from adversity — some of it self-inflicted, some of it the result of constant pressure from Trump — or is destined to wilt under the white-hot lights of a campaign for the highest office in the land.
For a governor who prides himself on taking bold stands, and winning on the electoral battlefield, DeSantis has not yet shown the strength that gave some Republicans reason to believe he could compete with Trump.
A spokesperson for DeSantis did not return a request for comment for this article.
Post by: Rush on March 25, 2023, 04:56:39 PM
DeSantis would be great in 2028 however he can step in if anything happens to Trump medically in the next year and a half.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 25, 2023, 04:57:12 PM
Post by: texasag93 on March 25, 2023, 05:00:59 PM
A number of the Florida governor’s donors and allies…..
At a Sunday luncheon following the annual Red Cross ball in Palm Beach, Florida, a group of 16 prominent Republicans…..
“They liked him — many of them might even support him,” the person who was at the event said of DeSantis…..
NBC News spoke with more than 20 GOP strategists, politicians and donors about whether DeSantis….
NBC needs to name names or it is just another load of made up BS.
Post by: bflynn on March 25, 2023, 06:01:18 PM
I agree. I don’t think DeSantis is up to taking Trump head on. Trump is still alpha.
DeSantis would be great in 2028 however he can step in if anything happens to Trump medically in the next year and a half.
I don’t think DeSantis has announced he is running, has he? Officially, he isn’t trying to take anyone on. Unofficially he has made some comments obliquely referring to Trump, like how his governors office doesn’t have daily drama, they just do the job.
However, trump stepped in it today when he said he would black ball anyone who works for DeSantis. The commentary on Fox is 100% negative toward him because of it. I’ve never seen anything even close to this before.
Post by: Lucifer on March 25, 2023, 06:23:59 PM
I take Fox News with a grain of salt.
Post by: Little Joe on March 25, 2023, 06:28:56 PM
I don’t think DeSantis has announced he is running, has he? Officially, he isn’t trying to take anyone on. Unofficially he has made some comments obliquely referring to Trump, like how his governors office doesn’t have daily drama, they just do the job.Wow. My grandmother had a nervous breakdown when I was a kid.
However, trump stepped in it today when he said he would black ball anyone who works for DeSantis. The commentary on Fox is 100% negative toward him because of it. I’ve never seen anything even close to this before.
She acted a lot like Trump is acting now.
Post by: Lucifer on March 25, 2023, 07:02:10 PM
Post by: Rush on March 25, 2023, 07:12:50 PM
I don’t think DeSantis has announced he is running, has he? Officially, he isn’t trying to take anyone on. Unofficially he has made some comments obliquely referring to Trump, like how his governors office doesn’t have daily drama, they just do the job.
However, trump stepped in it today when he said he would black ball anyone who works for DeSantis. The commentary on Fox is 100% negative toward him because of it. I’ve never seen anything even close to this before.
I don’t care what Fox says. They’re dead to me. No DeSantis hasn’t announced. I’m not sure what Trump’s problem is, other than pre-emptive strikes in case Ron does get in.
Post by: Number7 on March 25, 2023, 07:59:54 PM
Wow. My grandmother had a nervous breakdown when I was a kid.
She acted a lot like Trump is acting now.
Man… those mean tweets are really triggering to you.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 25, 2023, 09:23:48 PM
DeSantis is known to Florida voters but so far only a name to many voters outside that state.
That probably explains the strong showing of Trump in early polls. That DeSantis is polling up near Trump at this stage when he has yet to announce suggests to me that if he does choose to run he has an even chance of beating Trump.
The chart on https://electionbettingodds.com/President2024.html#chart (https://electionbettingodds.com/President2024.html#chart) is interesting:
Post by: Anthony on March 26, 2023, 02:14:00 AM
Paul Ryan sits on the board at FoxNews. Paul Ryan has gone on record stating his dislike of Trump, and how he doesn’t want Trump to run.
I take Fox News with a grain of salt.
NBC and MSNBC, ESPN, the Weather Channel and others are owned by COMCAST who financed and openly supported Biden, Hillary, Obama and other Democrats. How can they be objective? Those outlets are pure Propaganda yet Joe's wife watches all of them plus CNN. Pure brainwashing. Orange Man and Florida Man BAD.
Post by: Little Joe on March 26, 2023, 04:08:01 AM
NBC and MSNBC, ESPN, the Weather Channel and others are owned by COMCAST who financed and openly supported Biden, Hillary, Obama and other Democrats. How can they be objective? Those outlets are pure Propaganda yet Joe's wife watches all of them plus CNN. Pure brainwashing. Orange Man and Florida Man BAD.You must be talking about Joe Biden's wife, because my wife doesn't watch any of those.
Well, she does watch the Weather Channel during hurricane season, but we have to sign up for Friendly TV for those months because we don't have cable.
Post by: Little Joe on March 26, 2023, 04:31:02 AM
You must be talking about Joe Biden's wife, because my wife doesn't watch any of those.Now this is interesting. In the few minutes since I posted this, I received advertising emails from both Sling and FrndlyTV.
Well, she does watch the Weather Channel during hurricane season, but we have to sign up for Friendly TV for those months because we don't have cable.
Post by: Rush on March 26, 2023, 04:35:44 AM
Now this is interesting. In the few minutes since I posted this, I received advertising emails from both Sling and FrndlyTV.
That sort of thing makes me want to sign up for Express VPN like Ben Shapiro keeps telling me to do.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 26, 2023, 05:43:13 AM
That sort of thing makes me want to sign up for Express VPN like Ben Shapiro keeps telling me to do.Proton VPN, they have a free version.
Post by: Rush on March 26, 2023, 06:04:06 AM
Proton VPN, they have a free version.
I need to get that. I have proton email and they keep sending me messages promoting their VPN. The only thing stopping me is I already have another VPN on my main machine that I use for work. I’m unsure if having two VPNs would cause a conflict within stupid Windows.
Post by: Anthony on March 26, 2023, 06:44:51 AM
You must be talking about Joe Biden's wife, because my wife doesn't watch any of those.
Well, she does watch the Weather Channel during hurricane season, but we have to sign up for Friendly TV for those months because we don't have cable.
Where does she get her talking points which leftists need in order to parrot the Party line?
Post by: nddons on March 26, 2023, 08:00:00 AM
I need to get that. I have proton email and they keep sending me messages promoting their VPN. The only thing stopping me is I already have another VPN on my main machine that I use for work. I’m unsure if having two VPNs would cause a conflict within stupid Windows.How do you like Proton email? I will need to change email addresses when we build a place in the Northwoods in two years, and my current email address is tied to Spectrum, which we won’t have up north.
Post by: Little Joe on March 26, 2023, 08:08:46 AM
Where does she get her talking points which leftists need in order to parrot the Party line?In other words, you don't know, so you make shit up. Just like CNN, MSNBC et al.
You don't even know what her talking points are. Are you aware that she was a business owner with good economic sense? She is against incentives for lazy people to not work or to have babies they can't afford? What do you know about her besides the fact that I have mentioned that she is more liberal than I am and she hates Trump? Most people are more liberal than I am, except for some of you on this board. And to those, I am a liberal commie Rino pansy.
And besides, why are you talking about my wife anyway? Is it because this is an internet board and I can't walk up to you and do a Will Smith?
Post by: Lucifer on March 26, 2023, 08:14:47 AM
In other words, you don't know, so you make shit up. Just like CNN, MSNBC et al.
You don't even know what her talking points are. Are you aware that she was a business owner with good economic sense? She is against incentives for lazy people to not work or to have babies they can't afford? What do you know about her besides the fact that I have mentioned that she is more liberal than I am and she hates Trump? Most people are more liberal than I am, except for some of you on this board. And to those, I am a liberal commie Rino pansy.
And besides, why are you talking about my wife anyway? Is it because this is an internet board and I can't walk up to you and do a Will Smith?
Lighten up Francis.
Post by: Rush on March 26, 2023, 09:19:08 AM
How do you like Proton email? I will need to change email addresses when we build a place in the Northwoods in two years, and my current email address is tied to Spectrum, which we won’t have up north.
I love it for the encryption. I use it to send and receive sensitive documents with my sister in caring for mom (medical reports, financial stuff) and to have discussions with anyone else on subjects I want to keep private. But I don’t like the user interface as much as legacy EarthLink which I hate to say is my favorite for readability although sucks for searching. But if I switched to Proton completely I’d probably get used to it. My problem is how much of a pain it would be to change email addresses with all the businesses and websites I deal with.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 26, 2023, 10:01:28 AM
How do you like Proton email? I will need to change email addresses when we build a place in the Northwoods in two years, and my current email address is tied to Spectrum, which we won’t have up north.www.protonmail.com (http://www.protonmail.com)
I had to switch recently when I lost my ages old email address I used for most stuff.
Post by: Anthony on March 26, 2023, 12:15:01 PM
In other words, you don't know, so you make shit up. Just like CNN, MSNBC et al.
You don't even know what her talking points are. Are you aware that she was a business owner with good economic sense? She is against incentives for lazy people to not work or to have babies they can't afford? What do you know about her besides the fact that I have mentioned that she is more liberal than I am and she hates Trump? Most people are more liberal than I am, except for some of you on this board. And to those, I am a liberal commie Rino pansy.
And besides, why are you talking about my wife anyway? Is it because this is an internet board and I can't walk up to you and do a Will Smith?
Yeah, c'mon Man, just yanking your chain a little. Relax.
Post by: Rush on March 26, 2023, 06:58:53 PM
https://twitter.com/LaurenWitzkeDE/status/1640049449593368576
Post by: elwood blues on March 26, 2023, 10:26:42 PM
Post by: Anthony on March 27, 2023, 02:30:09 AM
Need confirmation. If true, then he's done.
Agreed. I don't want anything to do with a Bush. Traitors all.
Post by: nddons on March 27, 2023, 09:54:01 AM
That’s a radio host, not a Politico. There are a shit ton of daggers out for DeSantis. Ever sit back and wonder “why?”
First, the Trump supporters are throwing every possible bit of shit at the wall to see what sticks. Some are following Trump’s lead, and others are coming up with other novel attacks, like this one.
Mark Simone is a long-time Trump supporter, and he knows info like this will turn people against DeSantis. Bingo, mission accomplished.
As for the articles posted by lucifer about donors cooling to DeSantis, I’ll believe it when I see it. Let’s see, where did the article come from? NBC or MSNBC? Gee, who do you think Chuck Todd wants to get the GOP nomination - Trump, or DeSantis? Something tells they think that trump will get trounced again against ANY democrat presidential candidate. Of course they want Trump nominated.
Liz and Dick Uihlein are Wisconsin billionaires and I get some sense of their support for political candidates. I’ll let you know if I hear anything happening at the grass roots level.
Post by: Lucifer on March 27, 2023, 10:07:07 AM
Let’s all relax here.
That’s a radio host, not a Politico. There are a shit ton of daggers out for DeSantis. Ever sit back and wonder “why?”
First, the Trump supporters are throwing every possible bit of shit at the wall to see what sticks. Some are following Trump’s lead, and others are coming up with other novel attacks, like this one.
Mark Simone is a long-time Trump supporter, and he knows info like this will turn people against DeSantis. Bingo, mission accomplished.
As for the articles posted by lucifer about donors cooling to DeSantis, I’ll believe it when I see it. Let’s see, where did the article come from? NBC or MSNBC? Gee, who do you think Chuck Todd wants to get the GOP nomination - Trump, or DeSantis? Something tells they think that trump will get trounced again against ANY democrat presidential candidate. Of course they want Trump nominated.
Liz and Dick Uihlein are Wisconsin billionaires and I get some sense of their support for political candidates. I’ll let you know if I hear anything happening at the grass roots level.
Here's my theory: The dims already know they have 2024 locked up. They want Trump to run, because they would love to see him suffer another defeat.
Bottom line, you don't see the democrat communist worried about 2024. They weren't worried about 2022 either.
Ask yourself why?
Post by: nddons on March 27, 2023, 11:58:36 AM
I can only control what I can control, and that is what I can do in Wisconsin.
Here's my theory: The dims already know they have 2024 locked up. They want Trump to run, because they would love to see him suffer another defeat.
Bottom line, you don't see the democrat communist worried about 2024. They weren't worried about 2022 either.
Ask yourself why?
My point is the MSM and the democrats are much more concerned that DeSantis could win the general than they are if Trump is the nominee. This the effort to separate DeSantis from his supporters and donors.
Post by: Lucifer on March 27, 2023, 12:08:10 PM
I can only control what I can control, and that is what I can do in Wisconsin.
My point is the MSM and the democrats are much more concerned that DeSantis could win the general than they are if Trump is the nominee. This the effort to separate DeSantis from his supporters and donors.
I don't see it that way. The dims don't seem concerned about DeSantis at all. They don't seem concerned about any competition. And with good reason, they already know the outcome.
2022 proved that. They (D's) went into the midterms confident. There were a few campaigns that didn't go their way because they didn't anticipate the support for the "R" candidate, and they didn't put as much effort into it. They won't make that mistake in 2024, each cycle they are perfecting their system more and more. And the R's are still in denial and trying to run conventional campaigns.
Post by: Rush on March 28, 2023, 12:02:50 PM
https://americanwirenews.com/trump-explains-why-hes-gone-nuclear-on-desantis-who-begged-him-in-tears-for-endorsement/
Post by: nddons on March 28, 2023, 12:23:21 PM
Okay FINALLY out of DJT’s mouth: what his problem is with DeSantis. To hear him say it, it makes sense, I don’t blame him for attacking DeSantis. He sees himself as the one who got DeSantis elected in FL, and now expects him to step aside so he can have his second term. I can see where he’s coming from. Why not back me in 2024, then in 2028 it’s all yours. From his perspective it is kind of slimy for DeSantis to snatch the presidency from him.Oh please. Then lucifer is a liar when he says I shouldn’t be upset when Trump is attacking Ron and his wife, right?
https://americanwirenews.com/trump-explains-why-hes-gone-nuclear-on-desantis-who-begged-him-in-tears-for-endorsement/
Trump’s statement is relevant only if you believe DeSantis was crying in front of Trump begging him to endorse him. Give me a break.
Trump is attacking DeSantis because DeSantis is the only potential candidate who can beat Trump in the primaries. That’s it. It’s competition, and Trump loathes competition.
Post by: Lucifer on March 28, 2023, 12:27:14 PM
And I’m not a liar. You’re better than that Stan.
Post by: Anthony on March 28, 2023, 03:16:07 PM
Oh please. Then lucifer is a liar when he says I shouldn’t be upset when Trump is attacking Ron and his wife, right?
Trump’s statement is relevant only if you believe DeSantis was crying in front of Trump begging him to endorse him. Give me a break.
Trump is attacking DeSantis because DeSantis is the only potential candidate who can beat Trump in the primaries. That’s it. It’s competition, and Trump loathes competition.
Trump is a ruthless business man and politician. I don't like his petty name calling but that's where we are in politics.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 28, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
Okay FINALLY out of DJT’s mouth: what his problem is with DeSantis. To hear him say it, it makes sense, I don’t blame him for attacking DeSantis. He sees himself as the one who got DeSantis elected in FL, and now expects him to step aside so he can have his second term. I can see where he’s coming from. Why not back me in 2024, then in 2028 it’s all yours. From his perspective it is kind of slimy for DeSantis to snatch the presidency from him.
https://americanwirenews.com/trump-explains-why-hes-gone-nuclear-on-desantis-who-begged-him-in-tears-for-endorsement/
Trump's appeal to sympathetic voters for the win!
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Post by: nddons on March 28, 2023, 05:03:43 PM
Politics is a blood sport, and not for the weak.You missed my point, which may be due to my inarticulate way of responding to Rush.
And I’m not a liar. You’re better than that Stan.
If we are to “understand” (and henceforth accept) why Trump is attacking DeSantis (because according to Trump, DeSantis owes Trump his entire political future because Trump endorsed DeSantis in 2018), then you, lucifer, saying politics is a blood sport, must be lying, because if it WAS a blood sport, neither Trump nor his MAGA followers should be offended by DeSantis potentially running against Trump.
Post by: nddons on March 28, 2023, 05:05:19 PM
Trump is a ruthless business man and politician. I don't like his petty name calling but that's where we are in politics.So Reagan’s 11th Commandment is now in the shitter? Then why are Trump fans upset that DeSantis might run for POTUS? They can’t have it both ways.
Post by: nddons on March 28, 2023, 05:05:56 PM
Trump's appeal to sympathetic voters for the win!He’s got that 33% vote locked down tight.
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Post by: Lucifer on March 28, 2023, 05:19:25 PM
So Reagan’s 11th Commandment is now in the shitter? Then why are Trump fans upset that DeSantis might run for POTUS? They can’t have it both ways.
The party of Ronald Reagan is gone. The RNC has morphed into the UniParty, where power is everything. The RNC has figureheads such as McConnell, Paul Ryan, Lyndsey Graham, Mitt Romney, Ben Sasse, etc etc.......
I don't see the "Trump fans" being upset with DeSantis. I do see Trump's base as being loyal and seeing their candidate as the eventual nominee.
Post by: Rush on March 28, 2023, 05:33:23 PM
Post by: Little Joe on March 28, 2023, 06:08:41 PM
I’ll vote for DeSantis if he runs and wins the primary or if Trump strokes out or something.Just the fact that you thought to say that is reason enough not to vote for him. Just as it should have been enough for those nearly 70 million that voted for Biden.
Post by: Anthony on March 29, 2023, 01:56:37 AM
Just the fact that you thought to say that is reason enough not to vote for him. Just as it should have been enough for those nearly 70 million that voted for Biden.
They weren't legitimate votes. Just stop. ::)
Post by: Lucifer on March 29, 2023, 02:13:10 AM
Post by: Little Joe on March 29, 2023, 04:30:06 AM
They weren't legitimate votes. Just stop. ::)I see you didn't actually understand my post.
Biden probably did get 70 million "legitimate" votes. Not the 81Mil he was credited with. The difference is what put him in office.
Post by: Rush on March 29, 2023, 04:43:12 AM
Just the fact that you thought to say that is reason enough not to vote for him. Just as it should have been enough for those nearly 70 million that voted for Biden.
Thought to say what? Wait a minute. I haven’t had my coffee, let me finish that and then read this again.
Post by: Little Joe on March 29, 2023, 04:57:09 AM
Thought to say what? Wait a minute. I haven’t had my coffee, let me finish that and then read this again."If Trump strokes out".
It is a distinct possibility that this, or something worse, may happen in then next 5 or 6 years.
Alphas, especially older ones, have more heart attacks and strokes, and Presidents (and Presidential candidates) have a lot of stress.
Post by: Rush on March 29, 2023, 06:28:22 AM
"If Trump strokes out".
It is a distinct possibility that this, or something worse, may happen in then next 5 or 6 years.
Alphas, especially older ones, have more heart attacks and strokes, and Presidents (and Presidential candidates) have a lot of stress.
I’m not going to not vote for him just because he might stroke out while in office. That’s what a VP is for.
Post by: Number7 on March 29, 2023, 06:39:27 AM
"If Trump strokes out".
It is a distinct possibility that this, or something worse, may happen in then next 5 or 6 years.
Alphas, especially older ones, have more heart attacks and strokes, and Presidents (and Presidential candidates) have a lot of stress.
You are just reaching for anything- ANYTHING - to bolster your nonsense position, rather than admit you just hate Trump.
Post by: nddons on March 29, 2023, 07:28:42 AM
You are just reaching for anything- ANYTHING - to bolster your nonsense position, rather than admit you just hate Trump.What the fuck is it with you? Joe voted for Trump twice, as I did. We want someone different this time, for good reasons. Are we supposed to take loyalty pledges or something to remain in the conservative circle?
Post by: Little Joe on March 29, 2023, 08:04:54 AM
You are just reaching for anything- ANYTHING - to bolster your nonsense position, rather than admit you just hate Trump.You really have no idea how to look at both sides of an issue, do you?
If Trump wins the nomination, I will vote for him without question.
But when the enemy left sees members of the right being hypocritical, they tend to ignore anything else they say.
Almost everyone here pointed out Biden's age and how he probably wouldn't make it through his first term and they used that as a reason that people shouldn't vote for him You have to have the same qualms about Trump now. Trump would be slightly older at his next inauguration than Biden was at his last.
Post by: Rush on March 29, 2023, 08:16:09 AM
You really have no idea how to look at both sides of an issue, do you?
If Trump wins the nomination, I will vote for him without question.
But when the enemy left sees members of the right being hypocritical, they tend to ignore anything else they say.
Almost everyone here pointed out Biden's age and how he probably wouldn't make it through his first term and they used that as a reason that people shouldn't vote for him You have to have the same qualms about Trump now. Trump would be slightly older at his next inauguration than Biden was at his last.
I am concerned about his age. But to compare him to Biden is apples and oranges. Biden is visibly demented, Trump is doing well cognitively.
Post by: Number7 on March 29, 2023, 08:22:11 AM
It is delusional.
Post by: Little Joe on March 29, 2023, 08:26:40 AM
Comparing President Trump to the senile pedophile is like calling audrey hale a freedom fighter.I actually agree with that. But most liberals and Independents won't.
It is delusional.
Post by: Anthony on March 29, 2023, 09:06:05 AM
I see you didn't actually understand my post.
Biden probably did get 70 million "legitimate" votes. Not the 81Mil he was credited with. The difference is what put him in office.
My mistake sir.
Post by: nddons on March 29, 2023, 01:02:25 PM
Trump To Blacklist Anyone Who Works For DeSantis: Report
https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-to-blacklist-anyone-who-works-for-desantis-report
Post by: Lucifer on March 31, 2023, 05:39:42 AM
Post by: Lucifer on March 31, 2023, 08:25:40 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 31, 2023, 04:00:45 PM
A while back I saw a news item saying Florida Democrats were suing (or planning to) in order to force DeSantis to resign as governor. They based this on a Florida law known as "resign to run" which seems to require a politician to resign their current office if they are running for another office whose term overlaps in any way with the term of their current office. This may be why DeSantis has not yet declared his candidacy. Florida's legislative Republicans haven't been able to change the law until now, so once they do I expect DeSantis to officially announce,
See this story for details:
https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-desantis-run-president-governor/43477949# (https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-desantis-run-president-governor/43477949#)
Post by: Anthony on March 31, 2023, 04:24:25 PM
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Has there been documented evidence of connections between Rove, Jeb and DeSantis? Didn't see that yet.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 31, 2023, 04:44:12 PM
Has there been documented evidence of connections between Rove, Jeb and DeSantis? Didn't see that yet.
The claim appears to originate from a fellow named Mark Simone. Looks like he has been a long-time supporter of Trump.
Post by: nddons on March 31, 2023, 05:10:20 PM
DeSantis hasn't announced his candidacy because a law prevents it.Very interesting. Thanks Jim!
A while back I saw a news item saying Florida Democrats were suing (or planning to) in order to force DeSantis to resign as governor. They based this on a Florida law known as "resign to run" which seems to require a politician to resign their current office if they are running for another office whose term overlaps in any way with the term of their current office. This may be why DeSantis has not yet declared his candidacy. Florida's legislative Republicans haven't been able to change the law until now, so once they do I expect DeSantis to officially announce,
See this story for details:
https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-desantis-run-president-governor/43477949# (https://www.wesh.com/article/florida-desantis-run-president-governor/43477949#)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 31, 2023, 07:09:37 PM
The claim appears to originate from a fellow named Mark Simone. Looks like he has been a long-time supporter of Trump.Radio guy in NY, I believe
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 31, 2023, 07:22:52 PM
Post by: Lucifer on March 31, 2023, 07:37:58 PM
Various PAC's are formed to "help" the candidate, and depending on who's putting the money in, it usually comes with strings attached. People or organizations that make huge contributions aren't doing it for nothing.
Keep an eye on who's making the contributions. Also, keep an eye on how much support the RNC is giving the candidate.
Post by: Rush on April 01, 2023, 02:57:17 AM
Presidential campaigns are expensive. The money has to come from somewhere.
Various PAC's are formed to "help" the candidate, and depending on who's putting the money in, it usually comes with strings attached. People or organizations that make huge contributions aren't doing it for nothing.
Keep an eye on who's making the contributions. Also, keep an eye on how much support the RNC is giving the candidate.
One of the two biggest reasons I favor Trump. He is beholden to no one. The other reason is his proven performance 2017-2019. He was the ONLY president in my lifetime who made it his JOB to keep his campaign promises.
Post by: elwood blues on April 01, 2023, 03:57:42 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 02, 2023, 10:01:19 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 02, 2023, 10:39:20 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/04/02/asa-hutchinson-i-am-running-for-president/ (https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/04/02/asa-hutchinson-i-am-running-for-president/)Another one that will go the way of Pence and Haley
Post by: nddons on April 02, 2023, 12:39:27 PM
Well, there's another big reason: Look at the hits, the arrows in his back. He takes those hits for the average, ordinary, forgotten American that feels like he's being screwed. He doesn't have to do that, and no swamp politician would. That demands and deserves our respect. People are loyal to him because he is loyal to us and shame on anyone who betrayed and abandoned him.I give loyalty to God and my wife. I don’t feel a need to give a loyalty pledge to any politician, including Trump. I love everything he did for us, and I was a massive supporter. I’m also comfortable with needing to move beyond him and nominate someone who has a better chance of winning a general election.
Libertarians are loyal to their candidates, who have never won an electoral vote.
Post by: nddons on April 02, 2023, 12:40:31 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/04/02/asa-hutchinson-i-am-running-for-president/He’s delusional.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 02, 2023, 02:22:53 PM
Libertarians are loyal to their candidates, who have never won an electoral vote.
Trivia notes: Technically false. First, they tend to be loyal to their principles, not principals. Secondly, in 1972 Roger MacBride, a Republican elector from Virginia, cast his vote as a faithless elector for Libertarian presidential candidate John Hospers and vice presidential candidate Tonie Nathan. This made Nathan the first woman to ever receive an electoral vote in a presidential election.
The faithless elector, MacBride, later became the Libertarian presidential candidate in the 1976 election "campaigning on a platform of support for a free market system, a return to the gold standard, the abolition of the Federal Reserve, an end to corporate welfare, the abolition of the FCC, a foreign policy of non-interventionism, and the abolition of victimless crimes."
"MacBride rejoined the Republican Party in the 1980s and helped establish the Republican Liberty Caucus, a group promoting libertarian principles within the Republican Party."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_MacBride (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_MacBride)
(MacBride was co-creator and co-producer of the television series Little House on the Prairie. This was because Rose Wilder Lane had designated him as heir to her and her mother's estates.)
Post by: Lucifer on April 02, 2023, 05:11:23 PM
Trivia notes: Technically false. First, they tend to be loyal to their principles, not principals. Secondly, in 1972 Roger MacBride, a Republican elector from Virginia, cast his vote as a faithless elector for Libertarian presidential candidate John Hospers and vice presidential candidate Tonie Nathan. This made Nathan the first woman to ever receive an electoral vote in a presidential election.
The faithless elector, MacBride, later became the Libertarian presidential candidate in the 1976 election "campaigning on a platform of support for a free market system, a return to the gold standard, the abolition of the Federal Reserve, an end to corporate welfare, the abolition of the FCC, a foreign policy of non-interventionism, and the abolition of victimless crimes."
"MacBride rejoined the Republican Party in the 1980s and helped establish the Republican Liberty Caucus, a group promoting libertarian principles within the Republican Party."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_MacBride (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_MacBride)
(MacBride was co-creator and co-producer of the television series Little House on the Prairie. This was because Rose Wilder Lane had designated him as heir to her and her mother's estates.)
Thanks Cliff................
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 02, 2023, 05:39:07 PM
Thanks Cliff................
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Post by: Lucifer on April 15, 2023, 03:07:34 PM
Post by: Rush on April 16, 2023, 03:53:03 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 16, 2023, 04:29:53 PM
Post by: Rush on April 16, 2023, 05:02:04 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/ron-desantis-suffers-major-blow-as-key-gop-donor-says-plans-to-help-finance-desantiss-likely-white-house-campaign-are-on-hold/
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The billionaire revealed the reason for his change of heart was due to DeSantis signing a six-week abortion ban into law. He views the new law as too extreme.
The Republicans are allowing themselves to be pushed to the extreme in response to the left’s extreme, instead of being pragmatic, setting emotion aside, and staying in the deep water. DeSantis has run himself aground.
Post by: Lucifer on April 16, 2023, 05:16:24 PM
They still let the dims control the narrative.
Elections are won on messaging. The average American is desperate for a message of hope and a way out of this malaise that the UniParty has put the country under.
But the democrat controlled battleground states continue to be an obstacle.
Post by: Rush on April 16, 2023, 05:38:29 PM
The republicans can right the ship, but they are too entrenched with the establishment. They would rather lose more elections to keep out the non conformist than to win elections with forward thinkers.
They still let the dims control the narrative.
Elections are won on messaging. The average American is desperate for a message of hope and a way out of this malaise that the UniParty has put the country under.
But the democrat controlled battleground states continue to be an obstacle.
Malaise is an understatement. And you’re right, the whole problem is just a few battleground states where they’ve established enough creative ballot counting to guarantee an electoral majority.
Post by: Anthony on April 16, 2023, 06:06:44 PM
The republicans can right the ship, but they are too entrenched with the establishment. They would rather lose more elections to keep out the non conformist than to win elections with forward thinkers.
They still let the dims control the narrative.
Elections are won on messaging. The average American is desperate for a message of hope and a way out of this malaise that the UniParty has put the country under.
But the democrat controlled battleground states continue to be an obstacle.
We can't vote our way out of this due to Democrat election fraud. The only other alternative is drastic.
Post by: Rush on April 16, 2023, 06:19:44 PM
We can't vote our way out of this due to Democrat election fraud. The only other alternative is drastic.
Why the hell aren’t we moving on a convention of states?
Post by: Anthony on April 16, 2023, 06:28:52 PM
Why the hell aren’t we moving on a convention of states?
Any Republican with balls would be proposing this, but they're fat, comfortable and content. We're not. They don't care.
Post by: elwood blues on April 16, 2023, 06:33:02 PM
We can't vote our way out of this due to Democrat election fraud. The only other alternative is drastic.
Why the hell aren’t we moving on a convention of states?
Because that requires politicians. The drastic way is the only way out.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 17, 2023, 05:06:48 AM
Elections are won on messaging.
not anymore.
Post by: Username on April 17, 2023, 05:18:22 AM
not anymore.Exactly. When democrats can win by staying in their basements and only doing one debate after mail-in voting has started, why put out any message? Republicans are messaging all over states, visiting every county, debating anyone who shows up. But democrats, why bother? The election is already in the bag.
Post by: Rush on April 17, 2023, 05:35:10 AM
Exactly. When democrats can win by staying in their basements and only doing one debate after mail-in voting has started, why put out any message? Republicans are messaging all over states, visiting every county, debating anyone who shows up. But democrats, why bother? The election is already in the bag.
Yes. And anyway Republicans are screwing up the messaging to boot. They’ve hardly mentioned CRT and most of the country doesn’t want it in schools. They should be relentlessly hammering about the economy and inflation. They should be loudly condemning shipping billions to Ukraine.
Post by: Anthony on April 17, 2023, 06:09:37 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 17, 2023, 08:52:05 AM
not anymore.
You should have quoted my whole message. ::)
Guess you felt the need to make a cheap score.
Post by: Lucifer on April 17, 2023, 08:53:55 AM
There’s only one way left to fix this mess.
Post by: Rush on April 17, 2023, 09:18:01 AM
A convention of states is not possible because while several state legislatures are Republican, they are establishment controlled.
There’s only one way left to fix this mess.
Here’s the status of CoS:
https://conventionofstates.com/states-that-have-passed-the-convention-of-states-article-v-application
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 17, 2023, 09:28:10 AM
You should have quoted my whole message. ::)
I’ll quote as much of a message as I deem appropriate
Post by: Lucifer on April 17, 2023, 09:41:46 AM
I’ll quote as much of a message as I deem appropriate
IOW, you’ll contort the message to make an asinine statement.
Got it.
Post by: Lucifer on April 17, 2023, 09:45:48 AM
Here’s the status of CoS:
https://conventionofstates.com/states-that-have-passed-the-convention-of-states-article-v-application
Thanks.
I can’t find 15 more states to get it done (considering the make up of state legislatures). Unless desperation sets in, and enough people realize the democrat party is no more and being run by the communist.
Post by: elwood blues on April 17, 2023, 11:03:30 AM
No. There's only one way out of this.
Post by: Lucifer on April 17, 2023, 11:17:20 AM
Assume we get enough states to call a convention. What then? We still have politicians running the show and nothing will happen. That's like hiring a fox to guard the henhouse.
No. There's only one way out of this.
Thomas Jefferson once wrote to James Madison, “I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and is as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical.”
Post by: Anthony on April 17, 2023, 11:58:57 AM
Post by: nddons on April 17, 2023, 12:47:16 PM
Why the hell aren’t we moving on a convention of states?We are. It’s active and growing. 4 states just passed legislation to join in 2022 alone. Check out the progress map.
34 states are required to pass a resolution. As of now 19 states pass a COS Resolution. 12 states have active legislation. 7 states passed it in one chamber, but not both. PA needs to get off its ass. Same with OH, ID, and NV.
https://conventionofstates.com
Post by: nddons on April 17, 2023, 12:53:12 PM
Because that requires politicians. The drastic way is the only way out.An Article V boxes out the federal legislative and executive branches. They can’t do a damned thing about it. It’s all coming from the states.
There are active and aggressive actions to stop it. One is from the far right John Birch Society, who claims it can risk a runaway re-write of the Constitution.
Attacks are also coming from the left, such as Common Cause, a far left advocacy group.
We all should be talking to our state senators about this.
Post by: nddons on April 17, 2023, 12:58:45 PM
Yes. And anyway Republicans are screwing up the messaging to boot. They’ve hardly mentioned CRT and most of the country doesn’t want it in schools. They should be relentlessly hammering about the economy and inflation. They should be loudly condemning shipping billions to Ukraine.One governor has done an outstanding job eradicating CRT from schools.
Post by: nddons on April 17, 2023, 12:59:35 PM
Here’s the status of CoS:Beat me to it!
https://conventionofstates.com/states-that-have-passed-the-convention-of-states-article-v-application
Post by: Little Joe on April 17, 2023, 01:37:47 PM
Particularly what might happen to 2A.
I think we have all seen more than one election NOT go our way.
Questions about CoS:
How many votes does each state get?
Is it based on population?
Is each delegate vote counted or is it some sort of conglomeration of votes, like the electoral college?
How are the delegates selected?
And I too am a little worried about a major re-write of the Constitution. When modern politicians and lawyers get their hands on it it will be a million pages, and we might have to vote on it to see what's in it.
Perhaps we could get ChatGPT to write it and say it has to be less than 5 pages.
Post by: elwood blues on April 17, 2023, 01:40:51 PM
An Article V boxes out the federal legislative and executive branches. They can’t do a damned thing about it. It’s all coming from the states.
That gives me no comfort.
Post by: nddons on April 17, 2023, 01:44:10 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donald-trump-jr-opposes-bud-light-boycott-citing-company-donations-republicans
Post by: Anthony on April 17, 2023, 02:53:18 PM
We are. It’s active and growing. 4 states just passed legislation to join in 2022 alone. Check out the progress map.
34 states are required to pass a resolution. As of now 19 states pass a COS Resolution. 12 states have active legislation. 7 states passed it in one chamber, but not both. PA needs to get off its ass. Same with OH, ID, and NV.
https://conventionofstates.com
PA is now solidly controlled by the Democrats. It's becoming NJ. Don't count on anything to be done to advance freedom from PA.
Post by: Rush on April 17, 2023, 03:15:32 PM
Why is Don Junior shilling for the GOP establishment? I thought Trump was the anti-establishment candidate?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donald-trump-jr-opposes-bud-light-boycott-citing-company-donations-republicans
I don’t care who they donate to. I do feel bad for the innocent distributors who are being hurt. And whomever owns the Clydesdale horses that lost a job. I went to the store today and saw a big wall of Bud Light not going anywhere.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 17, 2023, 03:48:20 PM
https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/04/17/poll-suggests-ron-desantis-would-outperform-trump-in-2024-biden-match-up-n732442 (https://redstate.com/benkew/2023/04/17/poll-suggests-ron-desantis-would-outperform-trump-in-2024-biden-match-up-n732442)
Naturally Trump backers heaped scorn on it:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/trump-world-seethes-poll-shows-desantis-topping-biden (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/trump-world-seethes-poll-shows-desantis-topping-biden)
One analysis of the past polling accuracy of the pollster (might be other analysis, but I didn't look further):
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/public-opinion-strategies/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/public-opinion-strategies/)
Post by: Number7 on April 17, 2023, 04:00:28 PM
I remember Howard Dean being far ahead early and never being heard from again.
The polls are a source of interest but rarely does the one ahead early survive voter fatigue later.
Post by: Rush on April 17, 2023, 04:21:35 PM
https://rumble.com/v2ip2vm-yes-trump-can-win-in-2024.html
Post by: nddons on April 17, 2023, 08:47:41 PM
Why is Don Junior shilling for the GOP establishment? I thought Trump was the anti-establishment candidate?https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1648066924062863362?s=20
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/donald-trump-jr-opposes-bud-light-boycott-citing-company-donations-republicans
Post by: Anthony on April 18, 2023, 02:02:35 AM
Post by: Rush on April 18, 2023, 04:24:01 AM
https://humanevents.com/2023/04/17/trump-addresses-rnc-donors-in-nashville?utm_campaign=64483
Post by: nddons on April 18, 2023, 06:24:59 AM
Post by: Rush on April 18, 2023, 07:03:16 AM
Is he still supporting red flag laws?
I dunno. Is DeSantis?
Post by: Anthony on April 18, 2023, 07:23:06 AM
Is he still supporting red flag laws?
Red Flag laws open the door for illegal confiscation of guns. If so, that's a problem because I can see Establishment Republicans rolling over for a Democrat bill.
Post by: Rush on April 18, 2023, 07:57:02 AM
Red Flag laws open the door for illegal confiscation of guns. If so, that's a problem because I can see Establishment Republicans rolling over for a Democrat bill.
Trump and DeSantis both mumbled something about supporting them in the past but one or both may have revised their position, I don’t know. It’s a rare Republican that has an purist 2nd Amendment position.
Post by: Anthony on April 18, 2023, 07:59:44 AM
Trump and DeSantis both mumbled something about supporting them in the past but one or both may have revised their position, I don’t know. It’s a rare Republican that has an purist 2nd Amendment position.
One reason I no longer like Republicans.
Post by: Rush on April 18, 2023, 08:33:06 AM
One reason I no longer like Republicans.
Hence I’ve never been an actual Republican even though I’ve registered as one. I’ve also been a registered Democrat as well as a registered Libertarian. They’re all idiots anyway.
Post by: jb1842 on April 18, 2023, 08:56:17 AM
One reason I no longer like Republicans.
Until there is a strong 3rd party out there that can challenge the other parties on a national level, I feel that the only option I have is to vote Republican.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 19, 2023, 02:18:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISTu6JRtJTI
Post by: elwood blues on April 19, 2023, 02:45:50 PM
Post by: Rush on April 21, 2023, 06:46:53 AM
Post by: Lucifer on April 21, 2023, 06:49:58 AM
Larry Elder has entered the fray.
Larry is looking for a cabinet position.
Post by: nddons on April 23, 2023, 10:14:55 PM
Trump Promotes Far-Left Orgs, Media To Attack DeSantis And Florida, Gets Slammed By Conservatives
https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-promotes-far-left-orgs-media-to-attack-desantis-and-florida-gets-slammed-by-conservatives
Post by: Rush on April 24, 2023, 05:26:18 AM
Trump is happy to divide the gop faithful vote so he can win the primary, knowing he can’t win the general.
Trump Promotes Far-Left Orgs, Media To Attack DeSantis And Florida, Gets Slammed By Conservatives
https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-promotes-far-left-orgs-media-to-attack-desantis-and-florida-gets-slammed-by-conservatives
Somebody is trying to gaslight me. How could Trump have said those things and also said,
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Notably, the PAC also shared a supercut of comments from Trump addressing the performance of DeSantis as governor where he repeatedly pointed out the “great,” “terrific” and “spectacular job” being done in Florida with one statement that read, “One of the greatest governors in our country–and I know a lot of good ones, and I can tell you there are some really bad ones too–but this is a great one: Governor Ron DeSantis.”
https://americanwirenews.com/desantis-pac-offers-to-help-trump-relocate-to-calif-after-he-calls-florida-worst-state/
Why the hell would Trump attack the entire state of Florida and piss off the R voters there? I know he is prone to hyperbole but he can’t possibly have meant Florida is “the worst” state.
I don’t think I can believe a word of this unless I hear it straight from Donald’s mouth, and live at that because of deep fake technology. We are being played by someone.
Post by: Lucifer on April 24, 2023, 05:39:44 AM
Somebody is trying to gaslight me. How could Trump have said those things and also said,
https://americanwirenews.com/desantis-pac-offers-to-help-trump-relocate-to-calif-after-he-calls-florida-worst-state/
Why the hell would Trump attack the entire state of Florida and piss off the R voters there? I know he is prone to hyperbole but he can’t possibly have meant Florida is “the worst” state.
I don’t think I can believe a word of this unless I hear it straight from Donald’s mouth, and live at that because of deep fake technology. We are being played by someone.
The Never Back Down PAC is run by establishment GOP types.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 24, 2023, 05:54:26 AM
Trump must be prevented from regaining office by any means possible. I’m honestly surprised the man still is alive.
Post by: Number7 on April 24, 2023, 07:30:24 AM
I realized the establishment and deep state were far worse than I thought possible.
Them going after Donald Trump the way they are is no surprise.
The only real shock is how many republicans fall for the media bullshit.
Post by: Lucifer on April 24, 2023, 04:34:39 PM
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A well-timed counterpunch against the duplicitous backstabbing by Ron DeSantis that took place in August of 2022 is delivered by former New York Congressman and former New York Governor candidate Lee Zeldin today. Zeldin endorses Donald Trump for the 2024 GOP nomination:
(https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/lee-zeldin-endorsement-Donald-Trump.jpg)
If you have followed the deep weeds of GOP politics, you already knew this was likely.
At a key moment in the New York governor race, in late August of 2022, shortly after the Mar-a-Lago raid, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis was scheduled to be keynote speaker at a New York City Zeldin dinner/fundraiser. Before the fundraiser, DeSantis went to pick up a six-figure donor check from Billionaire developer Joseph Cayre of Midtown Equities.
Cayre told DeSantis that he supported Zeldin’s Democrat opponent Kathy Hochul. The contingency for the contribution appeared to be that DeSantis would cancel attendance of the dinner for Zeldin. DeSantis took the Cayre donor check and at the last minute cancelled his attendance at the Zeldin dinner.
Team DeSantis tried to sell a story about an emergency funeral the following day for slain police officer Jose Perez as the reason for his cancellation. However, we did a deep dive on the details and the timeline, and nothing matched the claims by DeSantis. {GO DEEP}
Officer Perez died on August 20th. The funeral was announced by the family and FDLE on August 26th, to be held August 29th.
Post by: Lucifer on April 24, 2023, 04:45:26 PM
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Establishment Republican news outlets and talking heads have been gloating about a 500-person poll that puts Florida Governor Ron DeSantis a few points ahead of President Joe Biden in Arizona and Pennsylvania, while claiming Donald Trump would lose to the incumbent in the same scenario. The problem, besides the sample size and lack of cross tabs released, is the so-called “pollster” and its relationship with leading Trump antagonists such as Jeb Bush, Mitt Romney, Karl Rove, and even billionaire progressive George Soros.
Public Opinion Strategies.
Founded in 1991 and run out of Alexandria, Virginia – a 15-minute trip into Washington, D.C. – Public Opinion Strategies or ‘POS’ appears to be part of a wider conglomerate known as ‘GP3’. The firm is almost entirely staffed by ‘Republican in Name Only’ (RINO) hardliners, including its founders Neil Newhouse, Bill McInturff, and Glen Bolger.
The firm’s first major races, in 1992, were that of hyper-establishment candidate Senator Arlen Specter, as well as Senator and failed presidential candidate John McCain. The firm boasts on its social media presence of Jeb Bush’s political career, as well as admitting to having worked on Mitt Romney’s campaign prior to 2012.
“The firm was part of the Bush-Cheney ’04 polling team,” their own documents suggest, adding that they went to work on John McCain’s losing effort against Barack Obama in 2008. Newhouse even did polling work for Jeb Bush’s aborted 2016 campaign against Donald Trump, and was the lead pollster for Mitt Romney’s 2012 campaign failure.
Newhouse’s biography details his work for big pharmaceutical organizations such as Procter and Gamble, PhRMA, the American Medical Association, and even The Gates Foundation. He has also worked for Google and Stanford University, as well as for four Presidential campaigns – “Senator Bob Dole, President George W. Bush, Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, and he was the lead pollster for Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney’s 2012 campaign.”
More recently, the firm has been reliant on Karl Rove’s “American Crossroads” organization, as well as Mitch McConnell’s Senate Leadership Fund, and even Ronna McDaniel’s Republican National Committee to pay the bills.
Post by: Rush on April 24, 2023, 05:39:31 PM
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1650445614486892547
Post by: Anthony on April 25, 2023, 02:51:37 AM
I’m sorry, he does not inspire confidence to me, the way Trump does.
https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1650445614486892547
Was that satire or does he really talk like that? Yikes!
Post by: Rush on April 25, 2023, 03:03:12 AM
Was that satire or does he really talk like that? Yikes!
I know, I did wonder if it was a “deep fake”. They’re getting really good manipulating audio and video.
Post by: Anthony on April 25, 2023, 03:39:02 AM
I know, I did wonder if it was a “deep fake”. They’re getting really good manipulating audio and video.
People get all giddy and jumpy like that when they're lying. Hillary, Kamala, Nancy, etc.
Post by: Rush on April 25, 2023, 03:45:58 AM
People get all giddy and jumpy like that when they're lying. Hillary, Kamala, Nancy, etc.
Yes, my second thought was he was caught off guard. The lack of agility in dealing with an unexpected question is what made me say he doesn’t make me feel confident. Of course that doesn’t mean he’d be a bad president and I’d sure vote for him over Biden, if he ends up the nominee. But unless something drastically changes, I will vote for Trump in the primary. Unless I switch to Dem and vote for JFK in the primary.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 26, 2023, 12:09:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s_Pr73C7Qjc
Post by: Anthony on April 26, 2023, 01:02:19 PM
This is why we love him. No one has done this before, and no one will do it when he is gone. Sorry, Stan.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s_Pr73C7Qjc
That was great. Yeah, he's one of a kind and I LIKE DeSantis but Trump is unique in American politics.
Post by: nddons on April 26, 2023, 05:15:55 PM
This is why we love him. No one has done this before, and no one will do it when he is gone. Sorry, Stan.No problems, Becky. We can have different opinions. I’ll only call you out if Trump lies about DeSantis. Which he has been doing.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/s_Pr73C7Qjc
At that time I supported Cruz, and thought Trump was a fucking dick. When Trump won, I supported that fucking dick in 2016 - 2021.
Now I’m convinced Trump cannot win the general, and know he cannot give us the 8 years to fix this fucking mess that Biden created in 2 years. Two primary reasons I’m supporting DeSantis.
Post by: Rush on April 26, 2023, 05:35:57 PM
No problems, Becky. We can have different opinions. I’ll only call you out if Trump lies about DeSantis. Which he has been doing.
At that time I supported Cruz, and thought Trump was a fucking dick. When Trump won, I supported that fucking dick in 2016 - 2021.
Now I’m convinced Trump cannot win the general, and know he cannot give us the 8 years to fix this fucking mess that Biden created in 2 years. Two primary reasons I’m supporting DeSantis.
I still can’t understand why you think the Dems will let DeSantis win any more than Trump.
Post by: nddons on April 26, 2023, 05:49:46 PM
I still can’t understand why you think the Dems will let DeSantis win any more than Trump.You’re changing the question. I still can’t understand why you, after the 2020 election, think Trump can win any more than 1/3rd of the electorate.
DeSantis, on the other hand, got 53% of the independents in 2022, 64% of men, 53% of women, 65% of whites, 58% of Latinos, every level of education, urban, suburban, and rural, and won nearly every demographic, and turned Florida from purple to a solid red. So how can you see him not having a better chance than Trump of gaining these demographics on a national scale?
Having the most enthusiastic base ever just won’t cut it any more. That’s only 1/3 of the voters.
Post by: Lucifer on April 26, 2023, 05:53:23 PM
You’re changing the question. I still can’t understand why you, after the 2020 election, think Trump can win any more than 1/3rd of the electorate.
DeSantis, on the other hand, got 53% of the independents in 2022, 64% of men, 53% of women, 65% of whites, 58% of Latinos, every level of education, urban, suburban, and rural, and won nearly every demographic, and turned Florida from purple to a solid red. So how can you see him not having a better chance than Trump of gaining these demographics on a national scale?
Having the most enthusiastic base ever just won’t cut it any more. That’s only 1/3 of the voters.
How does he overcome the cheating in PA, WI, MI, GA, AZ, NM?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 26, 2023, 05:57:12 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 26, 2023, 06:33:41 PM
How does he overcome the cheating in PA, WI, MI, GA, AZ, NM?
How does Trump manage that?
Post by: Lucifer on April 26, 2023, 06:46:24 PM
How does Trump manage that?
I’ve asked that question: How does ANY Republican overcome the cheating?
Post by: Number7 on April 26, 2023, 07:12:48 PM
The fucking democrats can’t exist without ruining everything they touch.
I never imagine so many democrats in one place could be so fucking stupid.
Post by: Rush on April 26, 2023, 11:36:30 PM
You’re changing the question. I still can’t understand why you, after the 2020 election, think Trump can win any more than 1/3rd of the electorate.
DeSantis, on the other hand, got 53% of the independents in 2022, 64% of men, 53% of women, 65% of whites, 58% of Latinos, every level of education, urban, suburban, and rural, and won nearly every demographic, and turned Florida from purple to a solid red. So how can you see him not having a better chance than Trump of gaining these demographics on a national scale?
Having the most enthusiastic base ever just won’t cut it any more. That’s only 1/3 of the voters.
Because Florida didn’t cheat.
Post by: Rush on April 27, 2023, 03:25:28 AM
Post by: Little Joe on April 27, 2023, 03:54:40 AM
Because Florida didn’t cheat.
They didn't have to.
Trump wasn't running.
Post by: Anthony on April 27, 2023, 04:02:27 AM
Personally, I believe we will never see a Republican elected President again. Within a decade it is quite likely be living under dictatorial rule. We already see hints of it with Biden refusing to negotiate on the budget and spending. Why do we need to spend $7T? Whose going to stop the madness?
We already live under dictatorial rule. Say what you are really thinking over the phone or on the internet and see who shows up at your door....with guns. But, you're right. It's going to get a lot worse.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 27, 2023, 04:30:55 AM
After 2020, Florida fixed many of its voting weaknesses and enforced its voting laws. That’s why DeSantis won in 2022. He can’t fix the whole nation’s elections. It’s obvious that cheating happened and still is happening in key Governor races and congressional seats, and even further down the ballots. We’re up against a very powerful, entrenched and protected machine with seemingly Borg-like capabilities.
They didn't have to.
Trump wasn't running.
Since it obviously cannot be defeated by overwhelming it with votes (2020 was an epic landslide for Trump and the machine created more fake votes for Biden for a total exceeding the number of registered voters) it has to be exposed and destroyed. I’m sticking with candidates who point that out. Like Donald J. Trump.
Post by: Rush on April 27, 2023, 04:40:13 AM
We already live under dictatorial rule. Say what you are really thinking over the phone or on the internet and see who shows up at your door....with guns. But, you're right. It's going to get a lot worse.
I might be wrong. My understanding is voice calls are not recorded and stored without a warrant. Text on your phone is collected and stored and kept for 5 years after which it is (supposedly) destroyed. But the government can’t actually read it without a FISA warrant which is just a rubber stamp. So get on their radar for any reason, or just be someone a random NSA employee wants to stalk, you’re being spied upon.
E-mail of course is all collected and stored courtesy of Apple, Google, etc. selling the data to the feds. You can use an encrypted service which then they’ll have to get a warrant to force the service to de-encrypt it for them. You can use a foreign based service which makes the feds have to go the extra step to use 5 eyes or 9 eyes treaties to get at your data, so let’s assume you have to be a somewhat bigger fish for them to go to that trouble.
If you’re a really big fish they can force your phone carrier to activate the mic unbeknownst to you and listen in not only to your calls but all your conversations in earshot of your phone. Having a phone with a removable battery gets around this which rules out iPhones. If you have Alexia of course they can also go through that. Then there’s all the spyware they can remotely load on your computers.
Any internet posts you make can easily be traced to you via IP address. You can use a VPN but those also can be compromised with a warrant, again without notifying you. And again using a foreign based VPN adds a layer of trouble they have to go through but doesn’t completely protect you.
Using TOR does conceal your identity but even it can be compromised in several ways. Algorithms can collect data and identify usage patterns that leave your “fingerprint”. The NSA itself operates TOR exit nodes. And just the fact that you use TOR in the first place puts you on their radar, although they must spend resources to find you so you’re reasonably safe unless you are already a target for some other reason.
Yes we have truly arrived at a dystopian surveillance state.
Post by: Rush on April 27, 2023, 04:51:19 AM
After 2020, Florida fixed many of its voting weaknesses and enforced its voting laws. That’s why DeSantis won in 2022. He can’t fix the whole nation’s elections. It’s obvious that cheating happened and still is happening in key Governor races and congressional seats, and even further down the ballots. We’re up against a very powerful, entrenched and protected machine with seemingly Borg-like capabilities.
Since it obviously cannot be defeated by overwhelming it with votes (2020 was an epic landslide for Trump and the machine created more fake votes for Biden for a total exceeding the number of registered voters) it has to be exposed and destroyed. I’m sticking with candidates who point that out. Like Donald J. Trump.
They manufactured fake votes AND interfered in the election by heavily censoring social media. Direct interference by FBI to squash the Hunter Biden laptop story which would have resulted in some 18% fewer Biden votes if people had known.
They are also attacking people with legal charges like Steve Bannon who was working at the grassroots level to fix the election problems. Anyone attempting to fix election integrity as well as candidates themselves like Trump are being persecuted using the “justice” system.
This is a coordinated multi-faceted plan to ensure their chosen puppet will win. It worked in 2020 and they’ve upped their game. If they succeed in 2024 it’s all over with, this country is dead.
Post by: Anthony on April 27, 2023, 04:57:18 AM
They manufactured fake votes AND interfered in the election by heavily censoring social media. Direct interference by FBI to squash the Hunter Biden laptop story which would have resulted in some 18% fewer Biden votes if people had known.
They are also attacking people with legal charges like Steve Bannon who was working at the grassroots level to fix the election problems. Anyone attempting to fix election integrity as well as candidates themselves like Trump are being persecuted using the “justice” system.
This is a coordinated multi-faceted plan to ensure their chosen puppet will win. It worked in 2020 and they’ve upped their game. If they succeed in 2024 it’s all over with, this country is dead.
And most of the Establishment Republicans are fine with it, as long as they keep their seat, their power and their kickbacks.
Post by: Rush on April 27, 2023, 05:09:46 AM
And most of the Establishment Republicans are fine with it, as long as they keep their seat, their power and their kickbacks.
I guess this is why no political system is safe from corruption and no country can last more than a couple of centuries. Anyone in power can be bought with money and then forever supports whatever top tyranny dispenses it to them. Even a democracy or representative republic with changing elected leaders, because of exactly what’s happening, the elections become corrupt and anyone with the power to stop it looks the other way as they are bought off.
Post by: Anthony on April 27, 2023, 05:48:40 AM
I guess this is why no political system is safe from corruption and no country can last more than a couple of centuries. Anyone in power can be bought with money and then forever supports whatever top tyranny dispenses it to them. Even a democracy or representative republic with changing elected leaders, because of exactly what’s happening, the elections become corrupt and anyone with the power to stop it looks the other way as they are bought off.
Yep. Also, the Courts and judges became corrupt and are now their own fiefdom, solely there to protect their salaries, income and profit. Administrative fees, court costs, lawyer fees, fines, etc., all add up to millions and millions of dollars for each jurisdiction that has Courts. My County for instance makes Millions off of DUI cases. A lawyer friend of mine says the courtrooms are packed DAILY with DUI cases which generate incredible revenue fo the County. That's why they will never install mandatory breathalyzers in cars. That would be an easy fix for DUI, but the Revenue is so huge on eveyr level that they don't want to stop the gravy train.
Another reason why Weed, (Marijuana) will never be legalized in the Federal level. If gives them too much power and money in the "War on Drugs" and also keeps people from legally owning firearms, even if they take it legally, for Medicinal purposes. Check your Form 4473 that you fill out to buy a gun. It asks about Marijuana use, specifically which prohibits you immediately if you answer "Yes".
The people on every level of Government have a disdain for private citizens owning guns legally, except for themselves, of course.
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2023, 08:41:54 AM
Post by: nddons on April 27, 2023, 09:00:51 AM
How does he overcome the cheating in PA, WI, MI, GA, AZ, NM?You’re changing the question too. How does Trump ever win more than 1/3 of the electorate?
Post by: nddons on April 27, 2023, 09:16:12 AM
Because Florida didn’t cheat.So we have one potential candidate who has done something to tighten voter integrity by signing a significant law in 2021, and one candidate who hasn’t done anything except bitch about cheating.
Post by: Little Joe on April 27, 2023, 09:19:38 AM
Florida is "clarifying" the "Resign to Run" law.
If/when the amendment passes, running for President or Vice President will not trigger the "resign" part. Desantis will be free to declare and run without resigning.
THEN, we can have a meaningful discussion about his poll numbers and his chances.
Post by: Anthony on April 27, 2023, 09:22:15 AM
I like the Cat in the video.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 27, 2023, 09:36:52 AM
So we have one potential candidate who has done something to tighten voter integrity by signing a significant law in 2021, and one candidate who hasn’t done anything except bitch about cheating.
The President can't do anything to tighten election security, it's a state's rights issue.
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2023, 09:55:45 AM
You’re changing the question too. How does Trump ever win more than 1/3 of the electorate?
I haven't.
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2023, 10:03:03 AM
Florida is "clarifying" the "Resign to Run" law.
If/when the amendment passes, running for President or Vice President will not trigger the "resign" part. Desantis will be free to declare and run without resigning.
If he is so confident he can win a national election, why doesn't he just resign and let someone else take over so he can focus on winning?
THEN, we can have a meaningful discussion about his poll numbers and his chances.
Apparently you haven't been keeping up.
He's 30+ points behind his competition. He's not getting the endorsements that he and his handlers thought he would.
Big GOP donors are having second thoughts on RDS now. Some of these donors are in talks with the Trump campaign to get Trump to pick RDS as a running mate.
Post by: Rush on April 27, 2023, 10:44:43 AM
I like the Cat in the video.
Yeah, he’s all about his cats.
Post by: Rush on April 27, 2023, 10:48:10 AM
So we have one potential candidate who has done something to tighten voter integrity by signing a significant law in 2021, and one candidate who hasn’t done anything except bitch about cheating.
In which state does he have the power to do anything? By “bitching” about it at least he’s keeping it on the table for discussion which it needs to be. We can’t let this go unpunished yet not many people seem to care about fixing the problem. Although I do think from this point he needs to focus most of his campaign on the economy, foreign policy and so on, things he will have power over as president.
Post by: Rush on April 27, 2023, 10:57:41 AM
Post by: Anthony on April 27, 2023, 10:58:20 AM
Yeah, he’s all about his cats.
I still have two. They're in holes in my back yard. Lol!
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2023, 10:59:37 AM
I heard whoever is on the radio as I drove home from the doctor something about Joe Manchin saying “I’d win any election I run in” and speculation that means he is considering running against Biden. That would be interesting.
Manchin has the former Gov of WV running against him for his seat.
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2023, 02:52:47 PM
Post by: Rush on April 27, 2023, 03:08:44 PM
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fpolitics%2F2023%2F04%2F27%2Fpoll-donald-trump-surges-to-62-percent-ron-desantis-crashes-to-16-percent%2F
Here is one reason why. He signed it.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 27, 2023, 03:33:42 PM
Here is one reason why. He signed it.
who "he" and what "it"?
I've lost the bubble...
Post by: Little Joe on April 27, 2023, 03:51:29 PM
who "he" and what "it"?Me too.
I've lost the bubble...
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 27, 2023, 04:02:41 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2023, 04:11:11 PM
On the surface it looks like a good idea, until we get to this part:
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Some members of a specialized unit would be authorized to arrest people
Sorry, that’s not a good idea.
Post by: Rush on April 27, 2023, 05:20:19 PM
who "he" and what "it"?
I've lost the bubble...
Shit. I didn’t paste the link. Then wandered off to cook dinner. Sorry.
https://twitter.com/Styx666Official/status/1651634506854539276
Post by: Lucifer on April 27, 2023, 05:50:17 PM
Post by: Rush on April 27, 2023, 06:01:59 PM
https://twitter.com/CitizenFreePres/status/1651446240998223872/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1651446240998223872¤tTweetUser=CitizenFreePres
It says the page doesn’t exist?
Post by: nddons on April 27, 2023, 06:36:43 PM
DeSantis just made it a crime in Florida to criticize Jews. It’s unconstitutional. And he went to Israel to do it.That’s bullshit, Becky. Come on.
I presume you’re speaking of HB 269. It’s easy to google “Florida HB 269” which will take you to the Florida Senate page for this bill. There’s a link to a PDF of the bill’s text. It’s only 7 pages and an easy read. You should read it.
Section 2 (2) states: “A person may not willfully and maliciously harass or intimidate another person based on the person’s wearing or displaying of any indicia relating to any religious or ethnic heritage.”
That’s it.
Post by: Rush on April 27, 2023, 07:18:24 PM
That’s bullshit, Becky. Come on.
I presume you’re speaking of HB 269. It’s easy to google “Florida HB 269” which will take you to the Florida Senate page for this bill. There’s a link to a PDF of the bill’s text. It’s only 7 pages and an easy read. You should read it.
Section 2 (2) states: “A person may not willfully and maliciously harass or intimidate another person based on the person’s wearing or displaying of any indicia relating to any religious or ethnic heritage.”
That’s it.
No you left out the part about billets and leaflets and flyers. Written materials.
All I can find at this late hour is the abstract:
“Prohibits person from distributing onto private property any material for purpose of intimidating or threatening owner, resident,“
The definition of “intimidating” and “threatening” is widely open to interpretation and the ADL and other groups will define it as we have seen definitions of other so called “hate speech” expand to include anything that somebody gets offended by.
To restrict the printed word that broadly is an unacceptable violation of the 1st.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 27, 2023, 07:49:40 PM
He’s certainly not doing it to court Jewish votes; they vote hard left always. He’s doing it because Jews really do control everything, including politicians. And it’s seriously pushing us down the road to social credit scores. You WILL be flagged and watched.
https://gab.com/Dissident_Priest/posts/110273376082956560 (https://gab.com/Dissident_Priest/posts/110273376082956560)
Minnesota Dems want to create a “bias registry.” What could go wrong?
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/04/27/minnesota-mulls-a-registry-for-biased-speech-offenders-that-would-make-a-ccp-official-proud-1353972/
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 27, 2023, 08:17:15 PM
https://gab.com/Apolitical/posts/110270699668956079
Somehow I don’t think Ron has the interests of the American people foremost on his agenda.
Post by: nddons on April 27, 2023, 08:53:29 PM
No you left out the part about billets and leaflets and flyers. Written materials.Bullshit. Did you see the “distributing onto private property” piece? That’s a pretty relevant piece, don’t you think? Or should it be ok for people to post billets and leaflets on, say, a judges home, or a conservative talk radio host’s home?
All I can find at this late hour is the abstract:
“Prohibits person from distributing onto private property any material for purpose of intimidating or threatening owner, resident,“
The definition of “intimidating” and “threatening” is widely open to interpretation and the ADL and other groups will define it as we have seen definitions of other so called “hate speech” expand to include anything that somebody gets offended by.
To restrict the printed word that broadly is an unacceptable violation of the 1st.
Private property is a dependent clause to the law. There is nothing - zip, zero, nada - that prohibits ANY of these on public property, which by to way is where the First Amendment lives.
I don’t understand the fervor in Trump fans to distort the truth and make up claims that don’t exist just to destroy Trump’s potential competitor.
Post by: nddons on April 27, 2023, 08:57:45 PM
Agree with Rush.Maybe if you didn’t take such propaganda posts in gab as the gospel truth, and read up on these things yourself, you’d be better informed on DeSantis.
He’s certainly not doing it to court Jewish votes; they vote hard left always. He’s doing it because Jews really do control everything, including politicians. And it’s seriously pushing us down the road to social credit scores. You WILL be flagged and watched.
https://gab.com/Dissident_Priest/posts/110273376082956560 (https://gab.com/Dissident_Priest/posts/110273376082956560)
Minnesota Dems want to create a “bias registry.” What could go wrong?
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/04/27/minnesota-mulls-a-registry-for-biased-speech-offenders-that-would-make-a-ccp-official-proud-1353972/
And you really surprise me about the Jew comments. I never would have expected that from you.
Post by: Little Joe on April 28, 2023, 03:41:07 AM
Bullshit. Did you see the “distributing onto private property” piece? That’s a pretty relevant piece, don’t you think? Or should it be ok for people to post billets and leaflets on, say, a judges home, or a conservative talk radio host’s home?Or MY home, as was done a few months ago with a truly disqusting flyer threatening Jews.
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I don’t understand the fervor in Trump fans to distort the truth and make up claims that don’t exist just to destroy Trump’s potential competitor.Same here. I see all the lies, distortions and misrepresentations about DeSantis in the local liberal rags being repeated on here as if they were Gospel.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 28, 2023, 04:38:19 AM
I don’t understand the fervor in Trump fans to distort the truth and make up claims that don’t exist just to destroy Trump’s potential competitor.
just learning from the liberals, I guess.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 28, 2023, 04:48:50 AM
What are the downstream consequences of protecting a people group or groups even slightly from being observed, challenged, and criticized? WHAT WE’RE SEEING RIGHT NOW.
President Trump has been attacked since he entered politics as a presidential candidate and remains fair game and fresh meat for all comers. The rabid desire to destroy him, including the current attempt to shunt an “acceptable” replacement for him into the limelight, deserves at least a few moments of consideration. Why must he be destroyed? With what are they determined to replace him? A true patriot? A cleaned-up government and restored freedoms and power to the people?
President Trump held a rally in New Hampshire this week and more clearly than ever laid out an exposure of all that is wrong in our government, the very things we complain about to each other here every day. Many links to his speech on Twitter. Ron DeSantis cannot match the hammering at corruption and collapse, and open, obvious love for the American people, that President Trump, though not perfect, has. If you cannot see that Ron DeSantis is oozing establishment, Uniparty, more of same characteristics, just bear with us. You will.
Post by: Rush on April 28, 2023, 05:48:37 AM
Bullshit. Did you see the “distributing onto private property” piece? That’s a pretty relevant piece, don’t you think? Or should it be ok for people to post billets and leaflets on, say, a judges home, or a conservative talk radio host’s home?
Private property is a dependent clause to the law. There is nothing - zip, zero, nada - that prohibits ANY of these on public property, which by to way is where the First Amendment lives.
I don’t understand the fervor in Trump fans to distort the truth and make up claims that don’t exist just to destroy Trump’s potential competitor.
No I did not miss that.
So if a canvasser knocks on your door and hands you a pamphlet saying “vote for so’n’so, one of his campaign promises is to ban drag shows for children”, you want him to go to prison when you, a trans, claims that is a violent threat and there is a prosecutor who agrees with you. Because that’s what this opens up.
Post by: Little Joe on April 28, 2023, 06:23:03 AM
No I did not miss that.Wow. That sounds just like something I would expect to hear on MSNBC.
So if a canvasser knocks on your door and hands you a pamphlet saying “vote for so’n’so, one of his campaign promises is to ban drag shows for children”, you want him to go to prison when you, a trans, claims that is a violent threat and there is a prosecutor who agrees with you. Because that’s what this opens up.
It's right up there with "Republicans want to kill Medicare and SS" because they point out the need for reform before they go bankrupt.
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2023, 06:29:03 AM
Or MY home, as was done a few months ago with a truly disqusting flyer threatening Jews.
Same here. I see all the lies, distortions and misrepresentations about DeSantis in the local liberal rags being repeated on here as if they were Gospel.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 28, 2023, 06:49:31 AM
I post or link nothing as gospel, because only the Gospel is Gospel. But I do try not to shy away from alternate perspectives. Mostly I look for functionality. If a man’s alternate perspective makes him want to dress up like a woman and shake his junk at a child, I firmly come down against that perspective. But many support it. If a certain people group is immune from criticism, I firmly come down on the side of taking a closer look at them.
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2023, 06:50:20 AM
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Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to take further steps towards launching a 2024 campaign for the White House next month, according to a Wednesday report by NBC News.
The report cites four unnamed Republican operatives it said are familiar with the conversations about plans for DeSantis to launch a presidential exploratory committee, with an official launch of his campaign to come at a later time.
Each of the operatives told NBC that a mid-May launch of the committee was the target, but that a number of his supporters wanted him to declare his candidacy by May 11 in order to counter former President Donald Trump’s front-runner status for the Republican nomination.
Others close to the governor, the report said, have argued such an early date would be too soon.
DeSantis has long been mulling a run for the White House, but has remained tight-lipped over whether he would actually toss his hat into the 2024 fray. Polls have consistently showed him as the runner-up to Trump, while many Republicans have argued he is the best alternative to the former president, who they see as unable to win a national race.
There are currently five presidential hopefuls vying for the Republican nomination in addition to Trump, including businessman Vivek Ramaswamy, former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, businessman Perry Johnson and former California gubernatorial candidate Larry Elder.
Sen. Tim Scott, R-S.C., announced the formation of his exploratory committee earlier this month, and a number of other Republicans are also reportedly considering a run. These include former Vice President Mike Pence, New Hampshire Gov. Chris Sununu, South Dakota Gov. Christie Noem, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, and Miami Mayor Francis Suarez.
Post by: Rush on April 28, 2023, 07:19:31 AM
Wow. That sounds just like something I would expect to hear on MSNBC.
It's right up there with "Republicans want to kill Medicare and SS" because they point out the need for reform before they go bankrupt.
The Epoch Times randomly mails a copy to people. You get it in your mailbox and take it inside. Have you ever read the Epoch Times? Ripe with “offensive” content. If you believe for one second this won’t be abused by the left to bring frivolous cases against them or against anyone else I have a bridge to sell you.
A free press is fundamental to this country’s liberty and that means the printed word. That is not to be limited to big corporate newspapers. This is a direct attack on the printed word.
And it WILL be differentially enforced. DeSantis has no control over leftist prosecutors or judges.
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2023, 07:36:21 AM
The Epoch Times randomly mails a copy to people. You get it in your mailbox and take it inside. Have you ever read the Epoch Times? Ripe with “offensive” content. If you believe for one second this won’t be abused by the left to bring frivolous cases against them or against anyone else I have a bridge to sell you.
A free press is fundamental to this country’s liberty and that means the printed word. That is not to be limited to big corporate newspapers. This is a direct attack on the printed word.
And it WILL be differentially enforced. DeSantis has no control over leftist prosecutors or judges.
Patriot Act anyone?
Post by: nddons on April 28, 2023, 08:08:13 AM
just learning from the liberals, I guess.This is exactly correct. They are following Trump’s lead on pulling pages from the liberals’ election playbook to destroy another Conservative Republican. It’s reprehensible.
Post by: nddons on April 28, 2023, 08:14:40 AM
Anyone who thinks such laws are fine and will be enforced fairly is indulging in magical thinking. Get back to me when you hear “anti-white-ism” gushed over as a hate crime, and we’ll be able to talk. You know who controls you when you see who you aren’t allowed to criticize. What people groups come to mind? Especially and almost sacredly, Jews. Followed by every other version of humans except whites. Whites are fair game.So you didn’t read the bill, obviously. You really should.
What are the downstream consequences of protecting a people group or groups even slightly from being observed, challenged, and criticized? WHAT WE’RE SEEING RIGHT NOW.
President Trump has been attacked since he entered politics as a presidential candidate and remains fair game and fresh meat for all comers. The rabid desire to destroy him, including the current attempt to shunt an “acceptable” replacement for him into the limelight, deserves at least a few moments of consideration. Why must he be destroyed? With what are they determined to replace him? A true patriot? A cleaned-up government and restored freedoms and power to the people?
President Trump held a rally in New Hampshire this week and more clearly than ever laid out an exposure of all that is wrong in our government, the very things we complain about to each other here every day. Many links to his speech on Twitter. Ron DeSantis cannot match the hammering at corruption and collapse, and open, obvious love for the American people, that President Trump, though not perfect, has. If you cannot see that Ron DeSantis is oozing establishment, Uniparty, more of same characteristics, just bear with us. You will.
Here you go. Let me know when you find the word “Jew.”
https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/269
I never took Trump fans to be Jew haters either. I guess you learn something new every day.
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2023, 08:29:15 AM
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Public Nuisances; Prohibits person from distributing onto private property any material for purpose of intimidating or threatening owner, resident, or invitee;
So the Epoch Times sends out the print version of it's paper (via US Mail), and has an article that states using science that transsexual is a mental condition and should be treated as such.
They (Epoch Times and author) are now in violation of the law and face jail time.
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prohibits person from willfully & maliciously harassing, threatening, or intimidating another person based on person's wearing or displaying of any indicia relating to any religious or ethnic heritage;[/b]
A guy wears a shirt saying "All Lives Matters". A group of BLM terrorist can now use this part of the law and jail this guy.
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requires violations be reported as hate crimes;
Define "hate crimes".
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prohibits person who willfully enters campus of state university or Florida College System institution for purpose of threatening or intimidating another person from remaining on such campus after being warned to depart.
A conservative person is invited to speak. The leftist loons protest, and the Department head finally relents and ask the person to leave. The loons cry they are being "threatened" and "intimidated" by this individual.
This bill is pure UniParty crap.
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2023, 08:42:29 AM
Post by: nddons on April 28, 2023, 09:54:27 AM
OK, so let's parse this.You really need to learn how to read the law beyond the FARs.
So the Epoch Times sends out the print version of it's paper (via US Mail), and has an article that states using science that transsexual is a mental condition and should be treated as such.
They (Epoch Times and author) are now in violation of the law and face jail time.
A guy wears a shirt saying "All Lives Matters". A group of BLM terrorist can now use this part of the law and jail this guy.
Define "hate crimes".
A conservative person is invited to speak. The leftist loons protest, and the Department head finally relents and ask the person to leave. The loons cry they are being "threatened" and "intimidated" by this individual.
This bill is pure UniParty crap.
In your example, a person subscribed to Epoch Times. But even if they didn’t or it was delivered accidentally, was Epoch Times trying to intimidate or threaten the owner? You’ve got to be high if you think that would fly in court.
As for the other example, the law seems to have been designed to protect speakers from the level of intimidation, threats and violence foisted upon mostly conservative speakers on campuses. It is out of control, and there are no consequences currently for the violators. It seems very straight forward to me.
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
You really need to learn how to read the law beyond the FARs.
I read and comprehend law (Civil and Administrative) just fine. This bill reeks of establishment UniParty bullshit. The weasel words are there.
Try reading it without your RDS Fanboi rose colored glasses.
In your example, a person subscribed to Epoch Times. But even if they didn’t or it was delivered accidentally, was Epoch Times trying to intimidate or threaten the owner? You’ve got to be high if you think that would fly in court.
Reading comprehension issues?
As previously stated, Epoch Times was used as an example. On occasion, they send out courtesy print copies of their publication. Under this law, this could be used against them in the example I cited.
Apparently you don't believe in the paradise of Florida there are activist judges.
As for the other example, the law seems to have been designed to protect speakers from the level of intimidation, threats and violence foisted upon mostly conservative speakers on campuses. It is out of control, and there are no consequences currently for the violators. It seems very straight forward to me.
The Patriot Act was straight forward when Dubya shoved it down our throats. Still think the Patriot Act is a good deal?
Post by: Mase on April 28, 2023, 10:37:04 AM
Post by: nddons on April 28, 2023, 10:55:56 AM
I read and comprehend law (Civil and Administrative) just fine. This bill reeks of establishment UniParty bullshit. The weasel words are there.In typical form, you just ignore the operative terms that actually matter, such as if Epoch Times INTENDED TO INTIMIDATE OR THREATEN the owner.
Try reading it without your RDS Fanboi rose colored glasses.
Reading comprehension issues?
As previously stated, Epoch Times was used as an example. On occasion, they send out courtesy print copies of their publication. Under this law, this could be used against them in the example I cited.
Apparently you don't believe in the paradise of Florida there are activist judges.
The Patriot Act was straight forward when Dubya shoved it down our throats. Still think the Patriot Act is a good deal?
Instead, you chose to ignore those words because it doesn’t fit your bombastic, ridiculous statements on this law.
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2023, 11:03:11 AM
In typical form, you just ignore the operative terms that actually matter, such as if Epoch Times INTENDED TO INTIMIDATE OR THREATEN the owner.
Instead, you chose to ignore those words because it doesn’t fit your bombastic, ridiculous statements on this law.
Speaking of being bombastic and ridiculous................ ::)
How's that Patriot Act working out for you? Are you glad Dubya got it into law and the congress keeps renewing it?
Post by: nddons on April 28, 2023, 12:13:25 PM
Speaking of being bombastic and ridiculous................ ::)I see no difference from your responses like Epoch could be “in violation of the law and face jail time” to the leftists who claim criticism of the trans phenomenon is “violence.” Both are over-the-top lies designed to massively obfuscate the truth.
How's that Patriot Act working out for you? Are you glad Dubya got it into law and the congress keeps renewing it?
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2023, 12:20:06 PM
I see no difference from your responses like Epoch could be “in violation of the law and face jail time” to the leftists who claim criticism of the trans phenomenon is “violence.” Both are over-the-top lies designed to massively obfuscate the truth.
Welcome to 2023.
Now you are trying to convince us that laws aren't being used against people in ways they weren't intended. I guess you also believe there are no activist DA's or activist judges either.
"The law will be followed as exactly as written, and justice will be blind"
GMAFB
So why won't you answer me on the Patriot Act? Remember, it was written to protect us.
Post by: Rush on April 28, 2023, 01:11:30 PM
In typical form, you just ignore the operative terms that actually matter, such as if Epoch Times INTENDED TO INTIMIDATE OR THREATEN the owner.
Instead, you chose to ignore those words because it doesn’t fit your bombastic, ridiculous statements on this law.
Have you been under a rock the past couple of years? Not seen what they’re doing with the courts against political opponents? It doesn’t matter if intent is proven or not, it will be charged and even if no court will uphold a conviction the cases will be brought to harass and deplete parties of resources. “The process is the punishment”. This law just provides more ammunition for that sort of thing.
Post by: Anthony on April 28, 2023, 01:34:26 PM
Post by: Lucifer on April 28, 2023, 02:03:37 PM
The Patriot Act was the product of the Uniparty and signed by George W. Bush, a traitorous Republican. It created the onerous DHS which is a domestic spying service along with the FBI. They're purpose is to capture and punish Domestic Terrorists whom they define as those that have a differing opinion than their Woke, Fascist masters.
But the Patriot Act was sold to us as a way to protect us from terrorist. Dubya said it was a good thing and we needed it.
And by the language of the law at the time, it sounded good. Then it became weaponized against us.
We are now living in a two tiered justice system with rogue DA’s and activist judges. Words have meaning.
This crap bill RDS signed talks about “hate crimes”. Please define a hate crime.
Wearing a red baseball hat with MAGA can be construed as a hate crime by a DA. All they need to do is convince a grand jury.
Sorry, RDS is wrong on this. But he is a product of the establishment and must do their bidding if he wants to go further in politics.
Post by: nddons on April 28, 2023, 02:04:15 PM
Welcome to 2023.The Patriot Act was an abomination, and I spoke against it at the time as I’m sure you did.
Now you are trying to convince us that laws aren't being used against people in ways they weren't intended. I guess you also believe there are no activist DA's or activist judges either.
"The law will be followed as exactly as written, and justice will be blind"
GMAFB
So why won't you answer me on the Patriot Act? Remember, it was written to protect us.
The 7-page Florida bill is not the Patriot Act, or anything near it.
I also don’t believe in hate crime statutes, but they are ubiquitous and are probably in every state’s statutes. The Florida bill seems to provide some definition to their hate crime law as evidenced by the cross-references in the bill.
Post by: nddons on April 28, 2023, 02:09:54 PM
Have you been under a rock the past couple of years? Not seen what they’re doing with the courts against political opponents? It doesn’t matter if intent is proven or not, it will be charged and even if no court will uphold a conviction the cases will be brought to harass and deplete parties of resources. “The process is the punishment”. This law just provides more ammunition for that sort of thing.No, but I’m pushing back at the hyperbolic lies about what done here claims is in this bill. Going to prison for criticizing Jews? Epoch Times going to jail for delivery if an offensive article?
I would much rather talk about facts, not feelings, which is what seems to be as rampant as a prairie fire in this thread.
Post by: Rush on April 28, 2023, 02:39:00 PM
Sorry, RDS is wrong on this. But he is a product of the establishment and must do their bidding if he wants to go further in politics.
This has always been the basis of my hesitancy about DeSantis, he can’t fund himself. No one can except Trump. That makes all the difference. Trump has no master, except the master HE declared: We the forgotten man. And he proved his loyalty to us in his first term.
Post by: nddons on April 28, 2023, 05:59:16 PM
This has always been the basis of my hesitancy about DeSantis, he can’t fund himself. No one can except Trump. That makes all the difference. Trump has no master, except the master HE declared: We the forgotten man. And he proved his loyalty to us in his first term.One person who couldn’t fund himself is now POTUS.
Post by: Rush on April 28, 2023, 06:46:55 PM
One person who couldn’t fund himself is now POTUS.
Well, not sure who’s really POTUS, you talking about the desiccated shell named Joe Biden?
Post by: Anthony on April 29, 2023, 02:53:32 AM
One person who couldn’t fund himself is now POTUS.
And the Foreign and Domestic Fascists that put him there are running things and ruining this Territory.
Post by: Username on April 29, 2023, 04:45:18 AM
One person who couldn’tFIFYfundfind himself is now POTUS.
Post by: Lucifer on April 29, 2023, 12:17:08 PM
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LONDON — He hopes to win the hearts and minds of devoted Donald Trump supporters ahead of next year’s U.S. election.
But Republican presidential hopeful Ron DeSantis failed to impress British business chiefs at a high-profile London event Friday, in a tired performance described variously as “horrendous,” “low-wattage” and “like the end of an overseas trip.”
The Florida governor, expected to launch his bid next month to challenge Trump as the Republican nominee for the 2024 presidential race, met with more than 50 representatives of major U.K. firms and business lobbying groups as a part of a four-country “trade mission” ending in London Friday.
His trip was officially billed as an attempt to build Florida’s economic relationships with the U.K., Israel, South Korea and Japan, but it has been widely seen in Washington as a chance for DeSantis to present himself as a statesman on the world stage.
For several of those present, however, the statesmanship was lacking.
One U.K. business figure said DeSantis “looked bored” and “stared at his feet” as he met with titans of British industry in an event co-hosted by Lloyd’s of London — the world’s largest insurance marketplace.
“He had been to five different countries in five days and he definitely looked spent, but his message wasn’t presidential,” they told POLITICO. “He was horrendous.”
A second business figure who was in the room said it was a “low-wattage” performance and that “nobody in the room was left thinking, ‘this man’s going places’.”
They said: “It felt really a bit like we were watching a state-level politician. I wouldn’t be surprised if [people in attendance] came out thinking ‘that’s not the guy’.”
“There wasn’t any stardust.”
A third person present at the event agreed “it felt like the end of an overseas trip — which it was,” but insisted DeSantis “came across well.” The best a fourth could muster was that DeSantis was “fine.”
DeSantis also met with U.K. Foreign Secretary James Cleverly and Business and Trade Secretary Kemi Badenoch during a whistlestop tour of London, though Prime Minister Rishi Sunak avoided a bilateral with the right-wing governor.
Sunak was at a Scottish Conservative Party conference Friday, which a No. 10 official said had been in his diary for a “long time.”
DeSantis is trailing Trump in polling among Republican primary voters, but has attracted support among a number of establishment Republicans who see him as a less chaotic figure than the ex-president.
The governor won a landslide re-election last year in what is traditionally a swing state, and has attracted praise from many Republicans for his “anti-woke” agenda and his commitment to tax cuts.
A government official said Badenoch, a rising star in the Conservative Party, and DeSantis had a “fruitful” conversation and that the pair “got on well.”
However, the pair did not discuss the prospect of a state-level economic Memorandum of Understanding between the U.K. and Florida, despite Britain’s efforts to sign similar arrangements with other U.S. states.
A second official said Badenoch’s team “wanted to avoid talking about a Florida MoU” as others are being prioritized, and because of the difficult optics for a British government also dealing with Joe Biden’s White House on several trade-related issues.
A Foreign Office spokesperson said Cleverly and DeSantis discussed “the close and important relationship between the U.K. and Florida.”
“The meeting was an opportunity to strengthen ties with the … U.S. state, and support bilateral economic co-operation that is already worth more than £5 billion a year,” they said.
Post by: Little Joe on April 29, 2023, 01:30:44 PM
Leftist media is really being eaten up by desperate Trump fans.
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Politico is a news media source with an AllSides Media Bias Rating™ of Lean Left. Politico displays a Lean Left bias primarily through an overall tilt in coverage that focuses more on issues of importance to people on the political left, and sometimes describes issues in ways that match the left perspective.[|quote]
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 29, 2023, 05:44:15 PM
https://www.politico.eu/article/ron-detedious-how-desantis-underwhelmed-britains-business-chiefs/
The British don't normally vote in American elections. Besides, boring the British is something they deserve.
Post by: Number7 on April 29, 2023, 08:42:45 PM
The British don't normally vote in American elections. Besides, boring the British is something they deserve.
The definition of boredom is English food.
Post by: nddons on April 30, 2023, 08:50:11 AM
No surprise there.
Leftist media is really being eaten up by desperate Trump fans.QuotePolitico is a news media source with an AllSides Media Bias RatingAnd who does the left want to run on the GOP side? Someone who can be easily beaten.of Lean Left. Politico displays a Lean Left bias primarily through an overall tilt in coverage that focuses more on issues of importance to people on the political left, and sometimes describes issues in ways that match the left perspective.[|quote]
Post by: Anthony on April 30, 2023, 03:22:55 PM
The definition of boredom is English food.
I prefer English women and English beer.
Post by: Little Joe on April 30, 2023, 03:27:48 PM
I prefer English women and English beer.English beer is ok.
Post by: Lucifer on May 03, 2023, 12:16:02 PM
Post by: Little Joe on May 08, 2023, 03:47:43 AM
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The governor of Florida has more cash for a potential White House campaign than former President Donald Trump, an early signal of the strength he could bring to the 2024 presidential race, particularly the GOP primary, if he enters it.
Gov. Ron DeSantis has more than twice as much money sitting in a Florida political action committee account as Trump has sitting in his presidential campaign account and a related federal PAC.
Don't count him out:Ron DeSantis' donors know he's struggling. They still want him to be president in 2024.
When money raised from the two men’s super PACs is added in, DeSantis’ advantage is smaller, but he still leads Trump by tens of millions of dollars. Super PACs are federal accounts that can raise and spend unlimited amounts of money to run advertisements but can’t coordinate with campaigns.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 08, 2023, 04:25:30 AM
Post by: Little Joe on May 08, 2023, 04:50:04 AM
With DeSantis fighting Disney so hard because they chose to exhibit their freedom of speech, what will he do as President?Funny thing is, that is what all the leftist rags here in Florida are saying.
The liberal media sure is effective, isn't it?
Post by: Lucifer on May 08, 2023, 05:40:27 AM
Funny thing is, that is what all the leftist rags here in Florida are saying.
The liberal media sure is effective, isn't it?
While your canned response is interesting, the truth to this is the Disney battle is hurting Baby Jesus with regards to public perception.
Even RDS advisors are trying to get him to back away from the Disney battle.
Post by: Username on May 08, 2023, 05:42:09 AM
With DeSantis fighting Disney so hard because they chose to exhibit their freedom of speech, what will he do as President?They are totally within their rights to exhibit their freedom of speech. But not on the public dime. DeSantis is removing the special taxpayer funding and Disney-specific favorable regulations. Now Disney has to pay "their fair share" and they are still free to continue doing whatever speech they want to do. I'll be VERY impressed when the FAA removes the Disney TFR.
Post by: Lucifer on May 08, 2023, 05:44:47 AM
They are totally within their rights to exhibit their freedom of speech. But not on the public dime. DeSantis is removing the special taxpayer funding and Disney-specific favorable regulations. Now Disney has to pay "their fair share" and they are still free to continue doing whatever speech they want to do. I'll be VERY impressed when the FAA removes the Disney TFR.
Correct. However the leftist have been able to use this to steer yet another false narrative.
RDS is letting this battle hurt him. In public perception, and the polling shows it.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 08, 2023, 05:48:55 AM
Funny thing is, that is what all the leftist rags here in Florida are saying.That's nice, how does that change what is happening? Your saying DeSantis is not punishing Disney for using the freedom of speech?
The liberal media sure is effective, isn't it?
Does freedom of speech only apply to that speech that you agree with?
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 08, 2023, 06:02:50 AM
They are totally within their rights to exhibit their freedom of speech. But not on the public dime. DeSantis is removing the special taxpayer funding and Disney-specific favorable regulations. Now Disney has to pay "their fair share" and they are still free to continue doing whatever speech they want to do. I'll be VERY impressed when the FAA removes the Disney TFR.
I read, and perhaps it was wrong, that there was no special taxpayer funding. Disney wanted the freedom to pay for the building and maintenance of all the water, sewage, and roads on their land so they could do it to their own standards. No taxes because no government services.
Post by: Little Joe on May 08, 2023, 06:06:01 AM
That's nice, how does that change what is happening? Your saying DeSantis is not punishing Disney for using the freedom of speech?He is NOT punishing them for their free speech. That is media spin. They have a very tax advantaged situation that I don't believe anyone else in the nation enjoys. They are basically their own tax favored government and use their autonomy to to impose their woke will on others.
Does freedom of speech only apply to that speech that you agree with?
See Username's post above. If Trump were to do the EXACT same thing, you and others on this site would be staunchly defending him and cheering him on. It always amazes how much talk I hear about the Uniparty, but wen someone that is NOT Trump fights that battle, you belittle him.
Post by: Lucifer on May 08, 2023, 06:07:48 AM
I read, and perhaps it was wrong, that there was no special taxpayer funding. Disney wanted the freedom to pay for the building and maintenance of all the water, sewage, and roads on their land so they could do it to their own standards. No taxes because no government services.
The taxpayers loose out in that area due to no taxes they could receive if it were not for RCD. While Disney pays for it's roads and services, it still take infrastructure leading up to those boundaries in order for it all to work. The taxpayer is on the hook for that.
Post by: Lucifer on May 08, 2023, 06:10:58 AM
He is NOT punishing them for their free speech. That is media spin. They have a very tax advantaged situation that I don't believe anyone else in the nation enjoys. They are basically their own tax favored government and use their autonomy to to impose their woke will on others.
Disney is a business. They don't have the power to impose anything on anyone. Their woke culture has resulted in a downfall of their business and will continue to do so.
See Username's post above. If Trump were to do the EXACT same thing, you and others on this site would be staunchly defending him and cheering him on. It always amazes how much talk I hear about the Uniparty, but wen someone that is NOT Trump fights that battle, you belittle him.
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Post by: Anthony on May 08, 2023, 06:16:18 AM
I read, and perhaps it was wrong, that there was no special taxpayer funding. Disney wanted the freedom to pay for the building and maintenance of all the water, sewage, and roads on their land so they could do it to their own standards. No taxes because no government services.
And you believe that horse shit? There's other government costs associated with many other things that you mention.
Post by: Number7 on May 08, 2023, 06:19:19 AM
The truth is that disney managed to become their own city without any oversight.
The company invents their own laws, issues their own permits and does their own inspections, all while paying zero property taxes, while sucking up enormous public accommodations.
When the groomers started demanding the right to sexualize children down to toddlers in the fucking homosexual lifestyle people started to object and the fucking know nothing libertarians immediately joined the battle to protect trannies, drag queers and their freak show followers.
Eventually people, including elected lawmakers starts questioning why disney was the only corporation inventing their own laws and started the process of insisting disney have the same benefits as every other corporation instead king status.
Of course the bullshit babbling media and fake libertarians objected because low, or no information is their only weapon.
Post by: nddons on May 08, 2023, 06:21:00 AM
Funny thing is, that is what all the leftist rags here in Florida are saying.It’s also what I’m hearing from pro-Trump posts on various platforms. It’s almost like the entire MAGA movement has turned into David French, telling conservatives to abandon the culture wars.
The liberal media sure is effective, isn't it?
Post by: nddons on May 08, 2023, 06:22:49 AM
They are totally within their rights to exhibit their freedom of speech. But not on the public dime. DeSantis is removing the special taxpayer funding and Disney-specific favorable regulations. Now Disney has to pay "their fair share" and they are still free to continue doing whatever speech they want to do. I'll be VERY impressed when the FAA removes the Disney TFR.Exactly.
Post by: Anthony on May 08, 2023, 06:51:46 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 08, 2023, 05:51:10 PM
https://mises.org/power-market/seditious-conspiracy-not-real-crime
Post by: Rush on May 08, 2023, 06:06:25 PM
Another way laws are twisted and weaponized.
https://mises.org/power-market/seditious-conspiracy-not-real-crime
“Seditious conspiracy legislation gives the federal government far greater leeway to punish political opponents.”
Yep! Exactly what’s happening.
Post by: Lucifer on May 12, 2023, 02:39:42 PM
https://thepostmillennial.com/desantis-team-claims-trump-supporters-will-switch-allegiance-when-he-enters-the-race?utm_campaign=64483
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 13, 2023, 10:01:51 AM
https://twitter.com/LauraLoomer/status/1657423299612139520?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1657423299612139520%7Ctwgr%5E121acbb477ffcdbe24e189f630ad12b873023413%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpatriots.win%2Fnew
Post by: Lucifer on May 18, 2023, 07:04:52 AM
Post by: Little Joe on May 18, 2023, 10:02:28 AM
But who wins the general depends on how big a loser the Dems nominate. I think if they nominate a non-radical, sentient candidate, they might win.
That's why if I were to vote in the Dem primary, I would vote for Biden. Almost anyone else will do better than Biden.
Post by: Lucifer on May 18, 2023, 10:17:12 AM
This is where the third party candidate comes in. They can split FJB’s vote and keep him out of the WH.
At this point it’s becoming survival. FJB and the communist are intent on burning it all down. Moderate dims aren’t going along with it.
Post by: Anthony on May 18, 2023, 10:23:28 AM
At this point, the only way FJB is not going to run is if he dies.
This is where the third party candidate comes in. They can split FJB’s vote and keep him out of the WH.
At this point it’s becoming survival. FJB and the communist are intent on burning it all down. Moderate dims aren’t going along with it.
I don't put anything past the Dems. If their last resort is for Biden to be gone he may suddenly come down with an unexpected grave illness, or have a bad accident
Post by: Lucifer on May 18, 2023, 10:32:15 AM
FJB is their puppet , and they need him. This is why the radicals are coming unglued over RFK, Jr. It’s also why the third party candidate is forming.
Post by: Rush on May 18, 2023, 01:18:56 PM
FJB is supported and backed by the radicals (communist). They have never been so close to achieving their goal of a total take down and control of the country.
FJB is their puppet , and they need him. This is why the radicals are coming unglued over RFK, Jr. It’s also why the third party candidate is forming.
I am really liking this idea.
Post by: Lucifer on May 19, 2023, 10:11:27 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 19, 2023, 01:01:26 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/former-new-jersey-governor-chris-christie-announce-2024/
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Post by: Anthony on May 19, 2023, 01:39:00 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/former-new-jersey-governor-chris-christie-announce-2024/
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That beached whale couldn't get elected dog catcher these days.
Post by: Number7 on May 19, 2023, 01:57:26 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/former-new-jersey-governor-chris-christie-announce-2024/
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Well…
There goes 14 votes.
Post by: Rush on May 19, 2023, 02:58:15 PM
Post by: Lucifer on May 20, 2023, 05:39:06 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 23, 2023, 04:35:06 PM
He'll be doing it tomorrow in a twitter talk with Elon Musk:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ron-desantis-presidential-campaign-elon-musk-twitter-89504a85?st=p08r0tbyqxss72q&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink (https://www.wsj.com/articles/ron-desantis-presidential-campaign-elon-musk-twitter-89504a85?st=p08r0tbyqxss72q&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink)
Post by: Rush on May 23, 2023, 05:19:40 PM
Post by: Lucifer on May 24, 2023, 06:46:47 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 24, 2023, 07:46:21 AM
And his wife is already announcing his run before hand.
RDS needs to get some better people running his campaign.
Post by: Rush on May 24, 2023, 09:02:07 AM
So RDS is gonna launch his campaign on Twitter Spaces.
And his wife is already announcing his run before hand.
RDS needs to get some better people running his campaign.
He's making a mistake. He should stand down and endorse Trump despite Trump's attacks on him. That would show him to be unflappable and the "bigger man" and set him up for 2028, meanwhile keeping his Florida voters happy that he's staying in charge there. But if he runs now, does he imagine he can catch up and surpass Trump? Odds are he won't, and he's distracting himself from his job as governor, and most important, he then loses all chance of being endorsed by Trump in 2028, which he might have been had he stepped aside and let Trump have this one.
Post by: Lucifer on May 24, 2023, 09:17:34 AM
He's making a mistake. He should stand down and endorse Trump despite Trump's attacks on him. That would show him to be unflappable and the "bigger man" and set him up for 2028, meanwhile keeping his Florida voters happy that he's staying in charge there. But if he runs now, does he imagine he can catch up and surpass Trump? Odds are he won't, and he's distracting himself from his job as governor, and most important, he then loses all chance of being endorsed by Trump in 2028, which he might have been had he stepped aside and let Trump have this one.
So far his campaign has been chaotic. Of course, he's got the Bush/Rove crowd advising him, so little wonder they can't find a message other than "He's not Trump".
Getting into bed with the establishment was a huge mistake. He should have focused on a grass roots campaign.
Post by: Lucifer on May 24, 2023, 09:54:30 AM
Post by: Rush on May 24, 2023, 10:00:32 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 24, 2023, 10:13:35 AM
He's gotta know he's not going to beat Trump. The only thing I can figure is he thinks a run this time will put him on the national stage and get him press, making him better known for a 2028 run. That makes sense, however it also runs a large risk of damaging himself through greatly ramped up attacks by Trump, pissing off his Florida people who might feel betrayed that he isn't concentrating on Florida, and pissing off Trump's MAGA core. On balance I think the risk outweighs the benefit. Something is going on behind the scenes tipping the scales in his mind, which makes me think he is being hoodwinked or bribed or something, can't quite put my finger on it.
I see it another way.
He's got lousy advisors. These are the out of touch establishment types that like to graciously lose campaigns. They also believe their own shit, and they are convinced the conservative voters want an establishment type. They've also convinced themselves that that the communist are going to do Trump in and that opens the door for RDS.
Post by: Lucifer on May 24, 2023, 10:56:57 AM
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 24, 2023, 11:21:08 AM
He's gotta know he's not going to beat Trump. The only thing I can figure is he thinks a run this time will put him on the national stage and get him press, making him better known for a 2028 run. That makes sense, however it also runs a large risk of damaging himself through greatly ramped up attacks by Trump, pissing off his Florida people who might feel betrayed that he isn't concentrating on Florida, and pissing off Trump's MAGA core. On balance I think the risk outweighs the benefit. Something is going on behind the scenes tipping the scales in his mind, which makes me think he is being hoodwinked or bribed or something, can't quite put my finger on it.
The current occupant of the White House, and some other past presidents, ran and lost one or two times before finally getting in. Biden was written off years ago, and yet....
A lot depends on how DeSantis responds, if at all, to Trump's attacks. Policy differences between T and D are minor when compared to Biden.
Post by: Rush on May 24, 2023, 02:36:31 PM
I see it another way.
He's got lousy advisors. These are the out of touch establishment types that like to graciously lose campaigns. They also believe their own shit, and they are convinced the conservative voters want an establishment type. They've also convinced themselves that that the communist are going to do Trump in and that opens the door for RDS.
They may be right. Trump may be assassinated.
Post by: Rush on May 24, 2023, 02:45:53 PM
https://twitter.com/debthecohost/status/1661118446283759616
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LET'S VOTE DESANTIS AND GET BACK TO "NORMAL"
Yeah, for sure, let's just roll everything back and it will be Bush politics as usual. That's what they want. It's what they've always wanted. And Ron DeSantis was the key. Let me tell you why Trump went after DeSantis.. DeSantis made a bunch of promises to support Trump when the time came even possibly being his running mate if only he (Trump) would throw political weight and his endorsement behind him. In 2020 DeSantis met with Murdoch who promised him if he ran against Trump he would throw the weight of Fox News behind his campaign .. Trump gets word DeSantis is now being groomed by Rove, Bush, Paul Ryan & Murdoch to run for President .. These are people who behind the scenes were working with key Dems and RINO's like Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Mitt Romney, Mitch McConnell, the Lincoln Project, The FBI, The CIA, and others who had sworn to bring Trump down. So you tell me; If someone did this to you would you be nice to them?
Post by: elwood blues on May 24, 2023, 03:10:07 PM
Post by: Rush on May 24, 2023, 04:35:24 PM
It’s an hour.
Haven’t listened to it yet.
Try this one: https://twitter.com/AnnLand667/status/1661500040559329280
Okay I listened to the whole thing. I liked what he said but when he gets in White House can/will he do all of that? Trump is a known entity.
Post by: Rush on May 25, 2023, 05:43:25 AM
https://twitter.com/MarioNawfal/status/1661542033884958723
Post by: Lucifer on May 25, 2023, 05:49:51 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 25, 2023, 05:52:12 AM
So far, no bump. In all fairness, probably needs another few days.
Post by: Lucifer on May 25, 2023, 05:53:38 AM
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 25, 2023, 08:02:43 AM
She is now starting an organization in Arizona for "ballot chasing"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1661107147638456320
Post by: Lucifer on May 25, 2023, 08:31:43 AM
So, Kari Lake lost her latest lawsuit. Despite showing clear evidence that true signature validation did not happen via video evidence, the judge ruled against her.
She is now starting an organization in Arizona for "ballot chasing"
https://twitter.com/i/status/1661107147638456320
Evidence doesn't matter when it's a conservative vs the establishment. However, when it's the establishment going after a conservative, anything whether legal or not can be construed as "evidence" and the legal standard becomes "you can prove your innocence in court".
The 2020 steal has rooms full of evidence, but through legal jujitsu it will never see the light of day in court. The feckless cucks of the republican party looked the other way, and because of that our country has gone into the gutter.
As for Arizona, it is lost. The radicals will never allow any election reform and the spineless republicans there will not push it.
And finally, I predict eventually Kari Lake will be indicted on a phony made up crime and will be sent to prison.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 25, 2023, 08:36:16 AM
Evidence doesn't matter when it's a conservative vs the establishment. However, when it's the establishment going after a conservative, anything whether legal or not can be construed as "evidence" and the legal standard becomes "you can prove your innocence in court".Most recently the AZ legislature or maybe the Senate has decreed electronic machines cannot be used going forward.
The 2020 steal has rooms full of evidence, but through legal jujitsu it will never see the light of day in court. The feckless cucks of the republican party looked the other way, and because of that our country has gone into the gutter.
As for Arizona, it is lost. The radicals will never allow any election reform and the spineless republicans there will not push it.
And finally, I predict eventually Kari Lake will be indicted on a phony made up crime and will be sent to prison.
Post by: Lucifer on May 25, 2023, 08:42:43 AM
Most recently the AZ legislature or maybe the Senate has decreed electronic machines cannot be used going forward.
I believe the regime now running AZ has also said they will ignore that decree.
https://kjzz.org/content/1847526/borrelli-ordered-az-counties-stop-using-voting-machines-heres-why-he-cant
Post by: Little Joe on May 26, 2023, 03:27:20 AM
DeSantis's announcement had technical difficulties so the media, and Trump spin it as this:
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Trump was quick to pounce. “WOW! The DeSanctus TWITTER launch is a DISASTER!” Trump said on social media. “His whole campaign will be a disaster. WATCH!”
When actually, the main problem was that too many people tried to watch and overwhelmed the servers. If it had been Trump, he would have pointed that part out as a good thing.
Post by: Rush on May 26, 2023, 05:05:23 AM
Talk about liberal SPIN. Even Trump is getting in on it.
DeSantis's announcement had technical difficulties so the media, and Trump spin it as this:
When actually, the main problem was that too many people tried to watch and overwhelmed the servers. If it had been Trump, he would have pointed that part out as a good thing.
I agree. Even Styx spun it as an underwhelming announcement, where I thought his actual outlining of his platform was pretty good. No, he doesn’t have the charisma and energy of Trump, but not many people do.
My problem is simply this: Trump is the only president in my lifetime with the partial exception of Reagan, who either kept all his campaign promises or tried his best to. Based on that alone the statistical chance anyone other than Trump, including DeSantis, will actually do what he promises is small. In other words, his promises sounded good but why should I have any faith he will keep them? History tells me most presidents don’t.
The other issue is that I have no evidence at all that DeSantis can perform in foreign affairs. Trump has proven that he can avoid war, and maintain an “armed truce” with the greatest threats to peace (NK, Russia, China, Mideast). Trump has the track record and DeSantis is a complete unknown. If Biden stays in office, the chance of nuclear confrontation grows substantially as well as rapid loss of “hand” on the world stage. (As in upper hand a la George Costanza).
Of all our issues this is one of the most important and we must get it right. DeSantis does not exude the alpha don’t fuck with me danger Trump does. He’s much better than Biden, I’ll give him that, but there’s the sense he has vulnerabilities. Lack of international diplomacy experience for one, but also, just listen to him talk. He’s too “normal”. Whereas Trump’s hyperbole and edginess gives the impression he just might pop off and drop a bomb on Moscow, or push his big red button, which is exactly what kept Putin and Kim Nutso in line.
So I agree the attacks on Ron’s announcement are unfair, but it doesn’t change my mind that I prefer Trump.
Post by: Rush on May 26, 2023, 05:11:28 AM
Post by: Little Joe on May 26, 2023, 05:16:12 AM
When DeSantis was running to be my Congressional representative, many Republicans said they liked what he said, but didn't believe he would carry through with his promises. He did. Then, it was the same thing when he ran for governor, but again, he kept his promises. He has pissed off a lot of people, especially the biggest employer in the State of Florida (Disney), but he stands up for what he believes in just as much as Trump.
My problem is simply this: Trump is the only president in my lifetime with the partial exception of Reagan, who either kept all his campaign promises
And as far as foreign policy, he has a ton more than Trump did when Trump took office.
I'd love to have a President that makes me proud, but doesn't make me cringe every time he talks. And I like that he is somewhat "normal".
Post by: Lucifer on May 26, 2023, 06:09:43 AM
I watched Eric Bolling interview RDS last night on NewsMax. No softballs, and a pointed interview. RDS was clearly uncomfortable and on a few questions he dodged the answers. And he clearly was uncomfortable when asked about his ties to the establishment.
On another note, RDS's war with Disney is hurting him nationally. Also, his campaign managers are having a difficult time formulating a clear message. Ken Cuccinelli who runs the "Never Back Down" PAC debated Sebastion Gorka on the Bolling show, and Gorka mopped the floor with him.
All in all, the establishment is doing what they normally do, and don't understand the issues. This will keep RDS from getting the nomination.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 26, 2023, 06:16:44 AM
Post by: Rush on May 26, 2023, 06:21:49 AM
When DeSantis was running to be my Congressional representative, many Republicans said they liked what he said, but didn't believe he would carry through with his promises. He did. Then, it was the same thing when he ran for governor, but again, he kept his promises. He has pissed off a lot of people, especially the biggest employer in the State of Florida (Disney), but he stands up for what he believes in just as much as Trump.
You see that is exactly the problem. You people in Florida have experience with him representing Florida. The rest of us don’t, he is an unknown. Even his slogan, Make America Florida, has us going, “Huh?” Texas doesn’t want to be Florida. We’re Texas. Pretty sure all states feel the same way. In fact, it’s the whole point of being a republic of sovereign states.
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And as far as foreign policy, he has a ton more than Trump did when Trump took office.
Not true. Trump had decades of experience as a businessman dealing with foreign cultures and practices which is the basis of handling foreign diplomacy. Whatever foreign policy experience DeSantis had as a House Rep would be laughable by comparison.
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I'd love to have a President that makes me proud, but doesn't make me cringe every time he talks. And I like that he is somewhat "normal".
But that “cringe” as you call it is exactly his superpower on so many levels. It’s what kept bad foreign tyrants off balance. It’s what connects him to the average man sick of being talked down to by the elite political class, and it’s what exposed the hypocrisy of the left, the establishment, and the media. He gets down in the metaphorical mud which is very refreshing when all the rest have a fake veneer of respectability while fucking us in the ass.
Post by: Rush on May 26, 2023, 06:44:46 AM
How do folks forgive Trump for the increase in the debt due to all the COVID spending and allowing Fauci to drive the ship and have those states lock down? You just waiting that off?
Trump is not perfect. He trusted the “experts”. I fault him for that but he is only human. Would you have done better given the same circumstances? A new disease we knew very little about, with what appeared to be a high death rate, and the top officials at the agency in charge of communicable diseases would be the logical people to trust. If you remember he only agreed to the first few weeks of lockdowns and very quickly pivoted when he correctly foresaw that the economic damage would far outweigh any benefit. But he had no control over the lockdowns, it was the Governors that continued lockdowns despite his cautioning against them.
The spending (stimmy checks and small business loans) was a huge mistake but at the time he was thinking of us, the people. Individuals and small businesses hurt by the pandemic, and he was trying to help us. He did not foresee the misuse and fraud, and most importantly didn’t foresee Biden continuing the disastrous spending which that plus destroying our oil independence, were what sent inflation into overdrive. Besides most of the spending is the fault of Congress and the Democrats (and some RINOs). Trump tried to put it where it was needed, the military and the border wall.
Making all the ventilators was a big mistake. But at the time everybody thought ventilators saved lives. We now know the opposite, but again he made decisions based on the knowledge he had at the moment.
Do any of you that “won’t forgive him” think you would have done better in his shoes?
Post by: Lucifer on May 26, 2023, 06:59:25 AM
How do folks forgive Trump for the increase in the debt due to all the COVID spending and allowing Fauci to drive the ship and have those states lock down? You just waiting that off?
We all learned some very hard lessons in the scamdemic. We learned our federal government will lie and cheat to achieve a goal, and we also learned that many in this government didn't have a problem using the power of government to profiteer.
President Trump unfortunately got played as well. When the directors of NIH come into his office with devastating news of a pandemic that will kill millions, and if he doesn't act fast and follow the experts advice, these millions of deaths will be blamed on him, what does he do? Remember, the scamdemic was highly organized and orchestrated.
Then the "two weeks to flatten the curve" got extended, and extended, and the threat was always "millions of deaths".
The along comes the pharmaceuticals, in conjunction with the NIH and tells him "just get rid of these rules and we can develop a vaccine in record time", and "Oh, by the way, the government has to pay for it". Again, what does one do?
Then he has congress come along with "We have to pass these massive bills to keep the country from collapsing".
And we know the rest. It wasn't until sometime near the election of 2020 when most people started figuring out we were being played. At this point, the damage was done.
So I guess my question back would be "If we had President ________(insert name here) in office during the great scamdemic, what do you feel he would have done different?"
Post by: nddons on May 26, 2023, 09:15:01 AM
I agree. Even Styx spun it as an underwhelming announcement, where I thought his actual outlining of his platform was pretty good. No, he doesn’t have the charisma and energy of Trump, but not many people do.I hear you but I think you underestimate his foreign policy knowledge. He was a Navy JAG officer for 15 years. He serviced at Gitmo, and deployed to Iraq supporting Seal Team One, including in the battle of Fallujah.
My problem is simply this: Trump is the only president in my lifetime with the partial exception of Reagan, who either kept all his campaign promises or tried his best to. Based on that alone the statistical chance anyone other than Trump, including DeSantis, will actually do what he promises is small. In other words, his promises sounded good but why should I have any faith he will keep them? History tells me most presidents don’t.
The other issue is that I have no evidence at all that DeSantis can perform in foreign affairs. Trump has proven that he can avoid war, and maintain an “armed truce” with the greatest threats to peace (NK, Russia, China, Mideast). Trump has the track record and DeSantis is a complete unknown. If Biden stays in office, the chance of nuclear confrontation grows substantially as well as rapid loss of “hand” on the world stage. (As in upper hand a la George Costanza).
Of all our issues this is one of the most important and we must get it right. DeSantis does not exude the alpha don’t fuck with me danger Trump does. He’s much better than Biden, I’ll give him that, but there’s the sense he has vulnerabilities. Lack of international diplomacy experience for one, but also, just listen to him talk. He’s too “normal”. Whereas Trump’s hyperbole and edginess gives the impression he just might pop off and drop a bomb on Moscow, or push his big red button, which is exactly what kept Putin and Kim Nutso in line.
So I agree the attacks on Ron’s announcement are unfair, but it doesn’t change my mind that I prefer Trump.
Even Trump’s Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney noted the policy chops (foreign and domestic) of DeSantis.
“Top takes on the DeSantis announcement:
“Ben Shapiro: “Tonight was a perfect encapsulation of the campaign. If you're obsessed with the optics of the Twitter Spaces glitch, then you're probably not going to vote DeSantis. If you're interested in political substance, DeSantis is likely your candidate.”
“Mick Mulvaney: “The Ron DeSantis event just wrapped. He did 75+ minutes on pure policy. Trump could never do that.”
“Frank Luntz: “While the media focuses on Twitter glitches, the DeSantis campaign raised $1 million within the first hour of its announcement.”
https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/the-show-notes-ron-desantis-joins
Post by: Lucifer on May 26, 2023, 11:23:47 AM
That fuckin’ liberal hack that’s McLoser’s room mate?
C’mon man!
Post by: nddons on May 26, 2023, 12:41:14 PM
Trump is not perfect. He trusted the “experts”. I fault him for that but he is only human. Would you have done better given the same circumstances? A new disease we knew very little about, with what appeared to be a high death rate, and the top officials at the agency in charge of communicable diseases would be the logical people to trust. If you remember he only agreed to the first few weeks of lockdowns and very quickly pivoted when he correctly foresaw that the economic damage would far outweigh any benefit. But he had no control over the lockdowns, it was the Governors that continued lockdowns despite his cautioning against them.You can’t have both ways. You can’t say that Trump’s business acumen make him perfectly prepared for foreign policy, and then turn around and say his mistake with the spending was because he was being too caring for we the people.
The spending (stimmy checks and small business loans) was a huge mistake but at the time he was thinking of us, the people. Individuals and small businesses hurt by the pandemic, and he was trying to help us. He did not foresee the misuse and fraud, and most importantly didn’t foresee Biden continuing the disastrous spending which that plus destroying our oil independence, were what sent inflation into overdrive. Besides most of the spending is the fault of Congress and the Democrats (and some RINOs). Trump tried to put it where it was needed, the military and the border wall.
Making all the ventilators was a big mistake. But at the time everybody thought ventilators saved lives. We now know the opposite, but again he made decisions based on the knowledge he had at the moment.
Do any of you that “won’t forgive him” think you would have done better in his shoes?
I’m uniquely able to comment about this because we have clients who received the stimulus payments, whether affected by covid or not. We helped clients obtain PPP loans, and helped clients with the Employee Retention Credit.
The PPP may have helped the smallest of businesses keep the doors open, but in most cases for companies it was simply a windfall - a loan that was automatically forgiven if you meet certain requirements.
The ERC is also a boondoggle, and is the source of enormous fraud.
Trump and congress could not stop finding ways to give away free money, and in turn buying votes
for the 2020 election.
A businessman could see before the first PPP loan was granted that it would be yet another bit of corporate welfare. A politician looks beyond the business realities because it may by him votes. Trump was not an innocent bystander in these trillions in giveaways. He was the Pilot in Command.
Post by: nddons on May 26, 2023, 12:44:16 PM
We all learned some very hard lessons in the scamdemic. We learned our federal government will lie and cheat to achieve a goal, and we also learned that many in this government didn't have a problem using the power of government to profiteer.You have a perfect laboratory called Florida to see what a different president would have done in the face of this scamdemic. DeSantis seems like the only politician who actually followed the science.
President Trump unfortunately got played as well. When the directors of NIH come into his office with devastating news of a pandemic that will kill millions, and if he doesn't act fast and follow the experts advice, these millions of deaths will be blamed on him, what does he do? Remember, the scamdemic was highly organized and orchestrated.
Then the "two weeks to flatten the curve" got extended, and extended, and the threat was always "millions of deaths".
The along comes the pharmaceuticals, in conjunction with the NIH and tells him "just get rid of these rules and we can develop a vaccine in record time", and "Oh, by the way, the government has to pay for it". Again, what does one do?
Then he has congress come along with "We have to pass these massive bills to keep the country from collapsing".
And we know the rest. It wasn't until sometime near the election of 2020 when most people started figuring out we were being played. At this point, the damage was done.
So I guess my question back would be "If we had President ________(insert name here) in office during the great scamdemic, what do you feel he would have done different?"
Post by: nddons on May 26, 2023, 12:46:09 PM
“Frank Luntz”?????It was one of several quotes. The author didn’t make it up, nor discount it.
That fuckin’ liberal hack that’s McLoser’s room mate?
C’mon man!
Post by: Lucifer on May 26, 2023, 12:53:38 PM
You have a perfect laboratory called Florida to see what a different president would have done in the face of this scamdemic. DeSantis seems like the only politician who actually followed the science.
Huge world of difference between the florida state government and the DC swamp within the beltway.
Post by: nddons on May 26, 2023, 01:04:50 PM
Huge world of difference between the florida state government and the DC swamp within the beltway.Both have chief executives who are in charge of the entire legislative branch of government. The CDC is not a fourth branch of government.
Post by: Lucifer on May 26, 2023, 01:10:41 PM
Both have chief executives who are in charge of the entire legislative branch of government. The CDC is not a fourth branch of government.
Yep, we saw how the deep state (unelected bureaucrats) follow the direction of the chief executive.
Do you honestly think that they will succumb to a President DeSantis?
Post by: nddons on May 26, 2023, 01:18:43 PM
Yep, we saw how the deep state (unelected bureaucrats) follow the direction of the chief executive.Give me a break. Do you think that Trump actually fought against the CDC, and it was just those mean bureaucrats who refused to change course? Do you think we would have heard from Trump if he was fighting with the CDC, NIH, etc.?
Do you honestly think that they will succumb to a President DeSantis?
Trump didn’t try to fight them. He went along with whatever The CDC and Fauci wanted.
DeSantis did fight the CDC. All governors relied on the CDC’s dictates to impose their shutdowns, with the threat of loss of money if they don’t comply. DeSantis pushed back, and were the first state to allow freedom in a covid world.
Post by: Rush on May 26, 2023, 01:21:16 PM
Yep, we saw how the deep state (unelected bureaucrats) follow the direction of the chief executive.
Do you honestly think that they will succumb to a President DeSantis?
I just heard DeSantis criticize Trump for not reigning in the FBI while it censored Twitter. And he said he would have called Fauci in and fired him. Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking.
Post by: Lucifer on May 26, 2023, 01:27:32 PM
Give me a break. Do you think that Trump actually fought against the CDC, and it was just those mean bureaucrats who refused to change course? Do you think we would have heard from Trump if he was fighting with the CDC, NIH, etc.?
Trump didn’t try to fight them. He went along with whatever The CDC and Fauci wanted.
DeSantis did fight the CDC. All governors relied on the CDC’s dictates to impose their shutdowns, with the threat of loss of money if they don’t comply. DeSantis pushed back, and were the first state to allow freedom in a covid world.
OK. I gave my impression on that a few post back.
It makes an interesting talking point, but it really isn't helping RDS in his campaign. RDS and his association with the establishment, as well as the big donor class is hurting him. In the Eric Bolling interview RDS got agitated and started trying to distance himself from Karl Rove. But the fact is, it's not just Rove, it's the establishment republicans that he's embraced.
This is why 48 hours after announcing he didn't even get a 1 point bump in polling. RDS handlers cannot even get a coherent message together, and "Make America Florida" ain't helping.
Post by: Lucifer on May 26, 2023, 01:33:20 PM
I just heard DeSantis criticize Trump for not reigning in the FBI while it censored Twitter. And he said he would have called Fauci in and fired him. Lots of Monday morning quarterbacking.
We didn't have the receipts on Twitter and the FBI until after Musk bought Twitter, so that talking point fails.
As far as Pope Tony, politically speaking what does one do? Fire the guy immediately and then the deaths start rolling in, and who goes down? It's truly a "damn if you do, damn if you don't" situation for whoever is in charge.
Right now RDS campaign team is floundering, big time. That should be telling if the guy can't even pick a descent team to represent him. He's hitched his wagon to the lame establishment types, those who like to lose gracefully. They will all make money from this win or lose, and if they do get RDS in the WH, he will owe them big time, which means we are back to Bush era policies.
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 26, 2023, 02:31:28 PM
You have a perfect laboratory called Florida to see what a different president would have done in the face of this scamdemic. DeSantis seems like the only politician who actually followed the science.
SD governor Kristi Noem also investigated the science and did not do any state-wide lockdowns. She came to the conclusion that masks didn't work. At one point it seemed she had her eye on possibly entering the presidential race but with Trump running it appears that idea is on hold.
Post by: Rush on May 26, 2023, 02:35:13 PM
We didn't have the receipts on Twitter and the FBI until after Musk bought Twitter, so that talking point fails.
Yep, DeSantis is acting like Trump knew they were doing this. The whole operation was to bias social media against conservatives or MAGA. The FBI were actively working against Trump and his administration. They were still trying to make Russia Russia stick. They were traitorous enemies trying to undermine the sitting president. You need look no further than the Stroke/Struck texts. Of course they didn’t keep Trump appraised of their slimy censorial shenanigans on Twitter and elsewhere.
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As far as Pope Tony, politically speaking what does one do? Fire the guy immediately and then the deaths start rolling in, and who goes down? It's truly a "damn if you do, damn if you don't" situation for whoever is in charge.
It really was. Trump had no choice. I guess DeSantis is doing what he can to attack Trump but these arguments are falling very flat.
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Right now RDS campaign team is floundering, big time. That should be telling if the guy can't even pick a descent team to represent him. He's hitched his wagon to the lame establishment types, those who like to lose gracefully. They will all make money from this win or lose, and if they do get RDS in the WH, he will owe them big time, which means we are back to Bush era policies.
He had to, unlike Trump he can’t fund himself.
Post by: Rush on May 26, 2023, 02:36:02 PM
SD governor Kristi Noem also investigated the science and did not do any state-wide lockdowns. She came to the conclusion that masks didn't work. At one point it seemed she had her eye on possibly entering the presidential race but with Trump running it appears that idea is on hold.
Maybe he’ll pick her as running mate.
Post by: Anthony on May 26, 2023, 02:58:54 PM
Maybe he’ll pick her as running mate.
She's too good and smart to be a VP.
I like DeSantis a lot. I like Trump a bit better, even flawed and "damaged goods" as he is.
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 26, 2023, 03:18:50 PM
Maybe he’ll pick her as running mate.
Maybe. Hope not, though. Prefer her as governor here in SD.
He may offer and she may accept as running mate since she did present him with a gift he had jokingly suggested:
SD governor gave Trump bust with face on Mount Rushmore (https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-south-dakota-kristi-noem-25bfcb43be782fda020d6a759d7c6ead)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 26, 2023, 05:37:03 PM
Post by: Rush on May 26, 2023, 07:15:13 PM
Post by: nddons on May 26, 2023, 11:22:10 PM
Right now RDS campaign team is floundering, big time. That should be telling if the guy can't even pick a descent team to represent him. He's hitched his wagon to the lame establishment types, those who like to lose gracefully. They will all make money from this win or lose, and if they do get RDS in the WH, he will owe them big time, which means we are back to Bush era policies.
You keep saying such things as if they came straight out of Truth Social, with no evidence that the co-founder of the House Freedom Caucus is now embedded with the establishment.
Let’s stick with facts.
Post by: nddons on May 26, 2023, 11:27:37 PM
He had to, unlike Trump he can’t fund himself.
How much did Trump self-fund his 2020 race?
https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/donald-trump/candidate?id=N00023864
Post by: Rush on May 27, 2023, 05:04:35 AM
How much did Trump self-fund his 2020 race?
https://www.opensecrets.org/2020-presidential-race/donald-trump/candidate?id=N00023864
What of that makes him beholden to the Deep State and establishment? He can fund himself, doesn’t mean he does. It means he isn’t owned by any contributors. People without that self-backup don’t have that luxury.
Post by: Rush on May 27, 2023, 05:08:48 AM
https://www.middlemaga.com/post/did-babylon-bee-fire-their-vp-over-trump-support
Post by: Lucifer on May 27, 2023, 06:41:15 AM
You keep saying such things as if they came straight out of Truth Social, with no evidence that the co-founder of the House Freedom Caucus is now embedded with the establishment.
Let’s stick with facts.
I am using facts. Please go look up the various members of his campaigns, and also the PACS. Also, go look at many of his "super donors".
And I don't have an account at Truth Social.
Post by: Lucifer on May 27, 2023, 06:44:16 AM
What of that makes him beholden to the Deep State and establishment? He can fund himself, doesn’t mean he does. It means he isn’t owned by any contributors. People without that self-backup don’t have that luxury.
Trump has used grass roots funding (small donations) as the backbone of his campaigns, rather than go to the establishment types. This angers the establishment, and is one reason why both the establishment and the dims have tried so desperately to shake his core support away from him.
The UniParty doesn't like competition and wants to control campaigns.
Post by: Lucifer on May 27, 2023, 06:48:42 AM
Rift in the Babylon Bee. Apparently Bee is taking money from DeSantis and therefore throwing in with him. There was a kerfluffle on Twitter over it and Bee’s marketing VP ended up getting fired.
https://www.middlemaga.com/post/did-babylon-bee-fire-their-vp-over-trump-support
Funny thing. I use to search youtube for fox news clips and would just find a few if any (i didn't subscribe to foxnews youtube).
Now that I stopped looking, youtube is bombarding me with foxnews videos, and the one main topic is DeSantis. I keep marking them as "not interested" yet they keep coming up in my feed.
Just a coincidence I'm sure............
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on May 27, 2023, 07:07:05 AM
Will this same phalanx of enemies attack DeSantis thusly? Yes, but only after they shunt him in as nominee. He’s proven himself to have some of the right stuff, but not all of it. It’s almost like he has been seized and held up as “the answer” so Americans will fall for him. He’s Trump Lite.
No.
In the battle of Lepanto, Don John of Austria famously said, “Gentlemen, the time for counsel has passed; the time for fighting has come." DeSantis is owned and will not fight this monster to the ground. Trump will. He’s a leader. He’s tenacious. And America now is in a battle to rival the great revolutions of history. We have to root out and destroy the corruption in the system and restore the integrity of our Republic as far as we possibly can.
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Post by: Rush on May 28, 2023, 03:49:04 AM
https://twitter.com/PozoleRetu19231/status/1662717156486791171
Post by: Lucifer on May 29, 2023, 03:43:27 PM
He still trails Trump by 30.8.
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 29, 2023, 04:36:03 PM
RDS is up 1.5 points in the RCP polling aggregate since announcing.
He still trails Trump by 30.8.
More money being bet on Biden winning over Trump or DeSantis:
http://electionbettingodds.com/ (http://electionbettingodds.com/)
But the bettors seem to think DeSantis is more electable than Trump:
https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityGOP.html (https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityGOP.html)
And that Newsom is more electable than Biden:
https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityDEM.html (https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityDEM.html)
The odds are odd.
Post by: Rush on May 29, 2023, 05:05:24 PM
More money being bet on Biden winning over Trump or DeSantis:
http://electionbettingodds.com/ (http://electionbettingodds.com/)
But the bettors seem to think DeSantis is more electable than Trump:
https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityGOP.html (https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityGOP.html)
And that Newsom is more electable than Biden:
https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityDEM.html (https://electionbettingodds.com/ElectabilityDEM.html)
The odds are odd.
What were the bettors betting 18 months before the 2016 election?
And, are they now taking into account fraud?
Post by: Jim Logajan on May 29, 2023, 08:46:18 PM
What were the bettors betting 18 months before the 2016 election?
I don't know about 2016, but in 2020 Trump was favored up till the day of the election.
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And, are they now taking into account fraud?Beats me. The odds are due to thousands of people placing bets, Some may be taking into account fraud. Some may be taking into account that incumbents win a second term more often than not, It's early days and the odds will obviously be shifting as events unfold.
Post by: Lucifer on May 30, 2023, 03:52:42 AM
I don't know about 2016, but in 2020 Trump was favored up till the day of the election.
Total Number of Votes:
Obama 69 million
Trump 74 million
Biden 81 million
Number of Counties each candidate won:
Obama 873
Trump 2547
Biden 509
Bellwether Counties Won by each candidate:
Obama 18 of 19
Trump 18 of 19
Biden 1 of 19
Florida, Ohio and Iowa
Obama won them all
Trump won them all
Biden lost them all
Post by: Rush on May 30, 2023, 04:43:15 AM
Total Number of Votes:
Obama 69 million
Trump 74 million
Biden 81 million
Number of Counties each candidate won:
Obama 873
Trump 2547
Biden 509
Bellwether Counties Won by each candidate:
Obama 18 of 19
Trump 18 of 19
Biden 1 of 19
Florida, Ohio and Iowa
Obama won them all
Trump won them all
Biden lost them all
Any honest statistician can tell you the odds of Biden actually winning with all those facts are a billion to one. Or whatever they calculate, but VERY SMALL.
Post by: Lucifer on May 30, 2023, 05:10:59 PM
Post by: Lucifer on May 30, 2023, 05:13:18 PM
Post by: Lucifer on May 30, 2023, 05:29:23 PM
On Eric Bolling's NewsMax show, he just started beating the Ukraine drum and spouting off how important it is the US defeat Russia, and how courageous Lindsey Graham is.
Post by: Rush on May 30, 2023, 05:46:55 PM
Post by: Little Joe on May 30, 2023, 07:03:11 PM
Well darn. I was gonna start to like him.Me too. And this has helped cement that.
But I still like DeSantis, even if Trump is going full liberal with his lies about DeSantis.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on May 30, 2023, 07:28:14 PM
Post by: Rush on May 31, 2023, 03:32:23 AM
Why is Trump going after Kayleigh McEnany?
Might have something to do with the content of texts between her and Sean Hannity the day after J6 where they agree not to refer to the election as stolen and lay out a “plan” on how to deal with Trump, and/or he perceives she supports DeSantis over him.
Post by: Anthony on May 31, 2023, 03:38:43 AM
Why is Trump going after Kayleigh McEnany?
Never heard of her. Who is she? I don't watch news or current media anymore.
Post by: Rush on May 31, 2023, 03:56:10 AM
Never heard of her. Who is she? I don't watch news or current media anymore.
She was to Trump what Karine Jean Pierre is to Biden, press secretary. You probably remember her now.
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2023, 05:10:38 AM
Like most stories headlines, once you start digging deeper, the hype dies down.
I posted a cartoon on how the dims and state run media are dismissing RFK,Jr as a "serious" candidate, yet he's polling against Biden with similar numbers that RDS is polling against Trump. Yet, RDS is a "serious threat" to Trump.
Post by: Rush on May 31, 2023, 06:30:00 AM
State run news media desperately wants a feud going between the republicans, and is hyping up anything and everything.
Like most stories headlines, once you start digging deeper, the hype dies down.
I posted a cartoon on how the dims and state run media are dismissing RFK,Jr as a "serious" candidate, yet he's polling against Biden with similar numbers that RDS is polling against Trump. Yet, RDS is a "serious threat" to Trump.
Can’t find it now but there was a Dem criticizing the Republican committee looking into Biden corruption as a witch hunt just to try to influence the 2024 election. That was rich as HELL considering all the kangaroo courts the Dems have held against multiple Republicans before the 2020 election and now before the 2024 election just for the purpose of influencing elections. The audacity. The blatant hypocrisy.
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2023, 07:00:07 AM
Can’t find it now but there was a Dem criticizing the Republican committee looking into Biden corruption as a witch hunt just to try to influence the 2024 election. That was rich as HELL considering all the kangaroo courts the Dems have held against multiple Republicans before the 2020 election and now before the 2024 election just for the purpose of influencing elections. The audacity. The blatant hypocrisy.
There is a lot of noise being generated by the state run media right to get everyone's attention focused elsewhere.
Right now we are being sold out by the so called republicans in the house, but state run media is reporting it as a hammering the dims are getting.
We have an FBI that is refusing congressional oversight, and a FBI director that's giving the middle finger to congress (and the American people). Our so called republicans are going to hold him in contempt, which means absolutely nothing.
We have a President that has rooms full of evidence of corruption, has blatantly harmed our country and our weasel speaker can't seem to bring the articles of impeachment forward for a vote.
We have the UniParty crying about debt while sending billions to a proxy war and funding millions of illegal invaders.
Our petroleum oil reserves are in shambles, real estate is tanking along with our economy. Meanwhile, Russia's economy is booming.
But let's focus on minutia of a presidential campaign or even better, let's read the latest story of how some tranny or some morbid obese person has their feelings hurt.
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2023, 07:36:29 AM
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2023, 12:25:35 PM
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New polling out from Morning Consult has revealed that Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has experienced a mere 2 percent bump in support among GOP voters since his presidential campaign launched, though that bump is within the poll’s 4% margin of error.
The poll, released on Wednesday, revealed that DeSantis has 22 percent of the GOP voters’ support, while former President Donald Trump has 56 percent.
Post by: nddons on May 31, 2023, 12:31:43 PM
Me too. And this has helped cement that.It is something to see the outright lies coming from the Trump camp. I would swear they are DNC ads. Did you see the commercials about DeSantis voting for a 23% national sales tax? Stunningly ignorant and an outright lie of omission.
But I still like DeSantis, even if Trump is going full liberal with his lies about DeSantis.
Post by: nddons on May 31, 2023, 12:34:54 PM
State run news media desperately wants a feud going between the republicans, and is hyping up anything and everything.Good thing Trump isn’t using 100LL to ignite a feud between republicans.
Like most stories headlines, once you start digging deeper, the hype dies down.
I posted a cartoon on how the dims and state run media are dismissing RFK,Jr as a "serious" candidate, yet he's polling against Biden with similar numbers that RDS is polling against Trump. Yet, RDS is a "serious threat" to Trump.
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2023, 12:38:20 PM
Good thing Trump isn’t using 100LL to ignite a feud between republicans.
Not to worry, the RNC has hired a lot of speech writers to help craft "gracious" concession speeches for their hand picked candidates.
Post by: nddons on May 31, 2023, 01:13:47 PM
Not to worry, the RNC has hired a lot of speech writers to help craft "gracious" concession speeches for their hand picked candidates.Way to ignore the point. Yet again, Trump is playing straight into the MSM’s hands, as always.
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2023, 02:13:43 PM
Way to ignore the point. Yet again, Trump is playing straight into the MSM’s hands, as always.
Sorry you have no sense of humor. ::)
Post by: Anthony on May 31, 2023, 02:21:22 PM
Not to worry, the RNC has hired a lot of speech writers to help craft "gracious" concession speeches for their hand picked candidates.
That shouldn't be in green font.
Post by: Anthony on May 31, 2023, 02:23:27 PM
She was to Trump what Karine Jean Pierre is to Biden, press secretary. You probably remember her now.
Thanks. I could have searched for it but I'm so disgusted with everything right now.
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2023, 02:29:23 PM
She was to Trump what Karine Jean Pierre is to Biden, press secretary. You probably remember her now.
https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1664014892221775873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3ATheLastRefuge2%7Ctwcon%5Es1
https://twitter.com/i/status/1663930804135755777
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2023, 02:31:09 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxeDte0WIAA6Re3?format=jpg&name=medium)
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2023, 02:56:09 PM
Chris Christie and Mike Pence are jumping in the race...........
Post by: Little Joe on May 31, 2023, 03:57:18 PM
Well, it's over with..............And they'll exit just as quickly. It will wind up being Trump Vs DeSantis, and unless something earth shattering happens, Trump will win the nomination and some Democrat will win the General. And Trump will complain that the election was stolen and blame it on someone else.
Chris Christie and Mike Pence are jumping in the race...........
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2023, 04:05:32 PM
And Trump will complain that the election was stolen and blame it on someone else.
So you believe the 2020 election was fair?
Post by: Anthony on May 31, 2023, 04:17:29 PM
And they'll exit just as quickly. It will wind up being Trump Vs DeSantis, and unless something earth shattering happens, Trump will win the nomination and some Democrat will win the General. And Trump will complain that the election was stolen and blame it on someone else.
I believe Trump soundly beat Biden in 2020 and will win again if mail in voter fraud can be curtailed, but the GOP doesn't want that. The Uniparty wants more of the same wich means the USA IS GONE.
Post by: Lucifer on May 31, 2023, 04:25:44 PM
I believe Trump soundly beat Biden in 2020 and will win again if mail in voter fraud can be curtailed, but the GOP doesn't want that. The Uniparty wants more of the same wich means the USA IS GONE.
Because the republicans refused to fight back against election fraud in 2020, we are in this mess now. To Trump's credit, he has called out the fraud and he accurately predicted what we are living through right now.
The J6 false flag event was to shut down any and all talk of a stolen election. FJB held an inauguration surrounded by 20,000 troops due to the fear of Americans protesting a stolen election.
Even today, we are seeing unprecedented censorship and persecution of anyone who speaks about election fraud.
It's not about votes, it's all about ballots.
Post by: Rush on May 31, 2023, 07:04:48 PM
Because the republicans refused to fight back against election fraud in 2020, we are in this mess now. To Trump's credit, he has called out the fraud and he accurately predicted what we are living through right now.
The J6 false flag event was to shut down any and all talk of a stolen election. FJB held an inauguration surrounded by 20,000 troops due to the fear of Americans protesting a stolen election.
Even today, we are seeing unprecedented censorship and persecution of anyone who speaks about election fraud.
It's not about votes, it's all about ballots.
https://twitter.com/HonestHillman/status/1591566985736994816
Post by: nddons on June 01, 2023, 05:25:02 AM
More Trump doing his best DNC-level punching at DeSantis. This is presidential material?
He is flailing around, and his defenders will actually defend such lies. Pathetic.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2023/05/31/andrew-cuomo-praises-trump-n2623874
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 06:12:34 AM
Post by: Rush on June 01, 2023, 06:13:12 AM
“Now that Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) has officially declared he is running for president, primary opponent Donald Trump has really ratcheted up the attacks. Last week, as Guy highlighted, Trump claimed that "even Cuomo did better" than DeSantis on COVID-19, referring to former Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-NY).”
More Trump doing his best DNC-level punching at DeSantis. This is presidential material?
He is flailing around, and his defenders will actually defend such lies. Pathetic.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2023/05/31/andrew-cuomo-praises-trump-n2623874
So you’re going to ignore everything he did in his first term and not vote for him because, basically, mean tweets.
I want low gas, lots of jobs, strong economy and no war. Maybe DeSantis can do that, maybe not, but Trump has already shown he can. The devil you know…
Post by: Anthony on June 01, 2023, 06:38:46 AM
So you’re going to ignore everything he did in his first term and not vote for him because, basically, mean tweets.
I want low gas, lots of jobs, strong economy and no war. Maybe DeSantis can do that, maybe not, but Trump has already shown he can. The devil you know…
Again, I like DeSantis, but your post pretty much sums it up for me.
Post by: Rush on June 01, 2023, 06:42:53 AM
Again, I like DeSantis, but your post pretty much sums it up for me.
DeSantis is preferable to Biden, I’ll give him that.
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 06:51:16 AM
So you’re going to ignore everything he did in his first term and not vote for him because, basically, mean tweets.
I want low gas, lots of jobs, strong economy and no war. Maybe DeSantis can do that, maybe not, but Trump has already shown he can. The devil you know…
What's troubling, and one of the reasons RDS is not gaining popularity are his ties to the establishment. People are growing sick and tired of the establishment republicans throwing the towel in at every given opportunity.
We witnessed that again last night as Speaker McLoser pushed through an awful debt ceiling bill, and with the help of so called conservatives. Getting rid of these RINO's in congress is proving difficult due to voter apathy.
Trump is a devastating campaigner, and a very calculating one. The establishment's mantra is "Trump can't win in a general" which is laughable at best. He won in 2016, and if you look at 2020, he garnered 74 million votes, one of the highest vote totals for an incumbent president. And anyone with any critical thinking skills knows FJB did not receive 81 million legitimate votes.
The establishment hates Trump's base. The hatred of his base is they have been unable to shake them away from supporting Trump, hence why they keep referring to them as a "cult". What we are witnessing now with regards to censorship, trampling of free speech and the dual justice system is the establishment trying desperately to dismantle Trump's base.
Trump led the biggest expansion of the republican party in our lifetime. However, the establishment just wants the votes, much like the democrats treat minorities. The republican party, much like the DNC, hate a large group of their members and demand they fall in lockstep with the party agenda.
IMO Trump should have tossed the RNC after 2020 and left them to die. The core of their party is now very small, much like the DNC.
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 06:53:30 AM
DeSantis is preferable to Biden, I’ll give him that.
IF RDS becomes the nominee I like many others will vote for him as there is no other alternative. But it's getting tiring of being given lame choices, such as Bush, McCain and Romney.
Post by: Little Joe on June 01, 2023, 07:08:47 AM
But it's getting tiring of being given lame choices, such as Bush, McCain and Romney.I'm also getting sick and tired of egotistical, narcissistic choices like Obama, Hillary, Biden and Trump.
What I wouldn't give for a second coming of RR.
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 07:16:31 AM
I'm also getting sick and tired of egotistical, narcissistic choices like Obama, Hillary, Biden and Trump.
What I wouldn't give for a second coming of RR.
Reagan is long gone, so hoping for a return is silly. We have to deal in a reality we've found ourselves in.
Like many, I take the personality out of it. I want to hire a person to do a job, and work on my behalf. I'm not hiring him to be the Pope.
I liked GWB as a person, and I liked his father, as a person. Same goes for Jeb! But as far as policy? They suck, and they did not have my interest or the interest of the average person at heart, they were loyal to their backers and lobbyist, and we are still paying for that.
I don't want another person in there that has a crowd of lobbyist and donation special interest groups pulling the strings. We have a congress full of that shit right now.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 01, 2023, 08:45:30 AM
IF RDS becomes the nominee I like many others will vote for him as there is no other alternative. But it's getting tiring of being given lame choices, such as Bush, McCain and Romney.
Well RDS did say that the Ukraine-Russia war was a "territorial dispute" and he got a lot of flack for that. That ran against the position of the establishment. His attacks on Disney, among other fights, indicates he's no push over.
With regard to Trump's independence because he can self fund his campaign: he actually never has self funded. According to Open Secrets and other sources he has gotten millions from high wealth donors. That may not buy the donors anything because of Trump's personality (i.e. no way to keep him "bought") but the same personality trait appears in RDS. It appears to me that RDS, because of his academic training, work as a lawyer and service in the military, accounts for his better intellectual discipline than Trump ever had. However, because RDS style isn't as demonstrative as Trump the latter gives the appearance of being more independent.
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 09:24:29 AM
Well RDS did say that the Ukraine-Russia war was a "territorial dispute" and he got a lot of flack for that. That ran against the position of the establishment. His attacks on Disney, among other fights, indicates he's no push over.
With regard to Trump's independence because he can self fund his campaign: he actually never has self funded. According to Open Secrets and other sources he has gotten millions from high wealth donors. That may not buy the donors anything because of Trump's personality (i.e. no way to keep him "bought") but the same personality trait appears in RDS. It appears to me that RDS, because of his academic training, work as a lawyer and service in the military, accounts for his better intellectual discipline than Trump ever had. However, because RDS style isn't as demonstrative as Trump the latter gives the appearance of being more independent.
Trump's base funds him via small donations. He's built a huge base using that method, a method the DNC and RNC have continually failed at. The RNC has even tried using ghost funding, using Trump's name or "MAGA", etc to appeal to the small donors, and that too has had limited success.
RDS is a bit of a chameleon politically. He will put on a MAGA hat or run commercials appealing to the Trump base to get votes. He did this very successfully in 2018 and then again in 2022.
However, it's his establishment ties, the big GOP donor ties that is weighing him down. Correctly, he identified the Ukraine war for what it is, and was promptly taken to the wood shed. His back slap to Lee Zeldin was also telling. He was to come to NY and attend a Zeldin event, but at the last minute backed out and used a story about having to attend a funeral. What really transpired was a huge donor in NY wanted him to come meet with him (and receive a big check), so RDS followed his handler's advice and ditched Zeldin. This was a fatal move.
The war with Disney is not popular, and as Disney lays off employees, which also means vendors are being cut back, then the media has successfully shifted the blame to RDS. As someone else here keeps repeating "Plays right into the MSM hands".
As long as the GOP keeps crapping on their voters, and keeps showing an inability to win or even want to win, Trump will remain high in the polling. A 30 point lead is devastating to overcome, especially with no clear message or party unity.
Post by: Rush on June 01, 2023, 09:28:18 AM
IF RDS becomes the nominee I like many others will vote for him as there is no other alternative. But it's getting tiring of being given lame choices, such as Bush, McCain and Romney.
Agree.
Post by: nddons on June 01, 2023, 10:05:04 AM
So you’re going to ignore everything he did in his first term and not vote for him because, basically, mean tweets.No, and of all people you should know that I acknowledge what he has done.
I want low gas, lots of jobs, strong economy and no war. Maybe DeSantis can do that, maybe not, but Trump has already shown he can. The devil you know…
But I don’t follow a liar. I don’t follow a person who wants to win at ALL costs. I don’t follow a person who is leading the battle to divide Republicans. I don’t follow someone who is demonstrating every single day that he is NOT loyal to people who were loyal to him.
I do not follow someone who seems destined to make himself even more unattractive of a candidate than he was in 2016 or 2020.
I am not a lemming, willing to follow the lead rat over the cliff and into a general election defeat.
And frankly, I’m disgusted that so many people are starting to look like lemmings.
Post by: Little Joe on June 01, 2023, 10:12:35 AM
Maybe DeSantis can do that, maybe not, but Trump has already shown he can. The devil you know…
Post by: Rush on June 01, 2023, 10:19:43 AM
Look, I didn’t know Trump in 2016. It was a risk and a leap of faith to vote for him.
Post by: Little Joe on June 01, 2023, 10:24:52 AM
Look, I didn’t know Trump in 2016. It was a risk and a leap of faith to vote for him.I doubt he was your first choice in the Primaries,
and then it was him or Hillary. Not much of a leap.
Post by: Rush on June 01, 2023, 10:26:07 AM
No, and of all people you should know that I acknowledge what he has done.
But I don’t follow a liar. I don’t follow a person who wants to win at ALL costs. I don’t follow a person who is leading the battle to divide Republicans. I don’t follow someone who is demonstrating every single day that he is NOT loyal to people who were loyal to him.
I do not follow someone who seems destined to make himself even more unattractive of a candidate than he was in 2016 or 2020.
I am not a lemming, willing to follow the lead rat over the cliff and into a general election defeat.
And frankly, I’m disgusted that so many people are starting to look like lemmings.
How is he leading the battle to divide Republicans? I give that honor to McCarthy and the rest of the RINOs that we are sick of for repeatedly failing to stop the malignant growth of an out of control federal government.
Post by: Little Joe on June 01, 2023, 10:32:03 AM
Look, I didn’t know Trump in 2016. It was a risk and a leap of faith to vote for him.
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I agree with both of you Gary and Anthony. I voted for Rubio in the primary. I think Trump is likely a narcissist. But I think Hillary is a narcissist and a sociopath. Trump is just a garden variety pig. Hillary is dangerous.
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 10:46:36 AM
Post by: nddons on June 01, 2023, 11:23:06 AM
How is he leading the battle to divide Republicans? I give that honor to McCarthy and the rest of the RINOs that we are sick of for repeatedly failing to stop the malignant growth of an out of control federal government.I’m no McCarthy fan, but an extremely conservative Wisconsin US Rep. Glenn Grothman was on morning talk radio today.
He said he has been in Congress for 8 years, and he has voted on 6 debt ceiling increases. Until this recent bill, not a single debt ceiling bill did anything to curb spending. ALL of them had spending and deficit increases.
He said this bill is not perfect, but it rejected Biden’s demand for a 6% spending increase, and reduced spending to sub-FY 2022 levels. It should have reduced to 2020 levels, but it’s a far cry from the fiscal irresponsibility under Trump’s 4 years, including 2 years where Trump had both the House and Senate.
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 11:31:47 AM
I’m no McCarthy fan, but an extremely conservative Wisconsin US Rep. Glenn Grothman was on morning talk radio today.
He said he has been in Congress for 8 years, and he has voted on 6 debt ceiling increases. Until this recent bill, not a single debt ceiling bill did anything to curb spending. ALL of them had spending and deficit increases.
He said this bill is not perfect, but it rejected Biden’s demand for a 6% spending increase, and reduced spending to sub-FY 2022 levels. .
This bill is an atrocity brought to us once again by the RINO's. And once again, we are fed "but it's the best we can do".
They left HUGE holes in this bill in which we, the taxpayers will get it rammed up our asses while the RINO's continue to cuck themselves out.
It should have reduced to 2020 levels, but it’s a far cry from the fiscal irresponsibility under Trump’s 4 years, including 2 years where Trump had both the House and Senate.
Those two years where Trump had the house and senate? Let's see, there was your guy Paul Ryan as Speaker, and the Turtle as senate majority leader. Two fuckin' RINO's who did everything they could to stop Trump's agenda.
But yea, it was Trump's fault. GMAFB.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 01, 2023, 11:35:45 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 11:40:25 AM
The bill gets rid of the debt ceiling until 2025, does that sound like a good thing?
Nope. Once again most of these RINO's didn't even read it, they just fell in line with McLoser. You can bet your ass that behind close doors there were some sweetheart deals made to get votes.
Post by: Rush on June 01, 2023, 11:45:11 AM
I’m no McCarthy fan, but an extremely conservative Wisconsin US Rep. Glenn Grothman was on morning talk radio today.
He said he has been in Congress for 8 years, and he has voted on 6 debt ceiling increases. Until this recent bill, not a single debt ceiling bill did anything to curb spending. ALL of them had spending and deficit increases.
He said this bill is not perfect, but it rejected Biden’s demand for a 6% spending increase, and reduced spending to sub-FY 2022 levels. It should have reduced to 2020 levels, but it’s a far cry from the fiscal irresponsibility under Trump’s 4 years, including 2 years where Trump had both the House and Senate.
They didn’t get rid of expanding the IRS. That should have been a hill to die on for the Republicans. They should have told the Dems to go pound sand and allowed the government to default.
Post by: nddons on June 01, 2023, 11:45:58 AM
This bill is an atrocity brought to us once again by the RINO's. And once again, we are fed "but it's the best we can do".Trump had a veto pen. He also had the bully pulpit to get what he wants, and his base would have supported fiscal cuts. The fact is he NEVER FOUGHT for fiscal responsibility. Not once.
They left HUGE holes in this bill in which we, the taxpayers will get it rammed up our asses while the RINO's continue to cuck themselves out.
Those two years where Trump had the house and senate? Let's see, there was your guy Paul Ryan as Speaker, and the Turtle as senate majority leader. Two fuckin' RINO's who did everything they could to stop Trump's agenda.
But yea, it was Trump's fault. GMAFB.
You can continue to be a sycophant and ignore Trump’s mistakes and make up lies about DeSantis, but you are following a rat down the sewer; a rat who has no chance of winning the general.
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 11:57:52 AM
They didn’t get rid of expanding the IRS. That should have been a hill to die on for the Republicans. They should have told the Dems to go pound sand and allowed the government to default.
McLoser said one of the first bills they would do was getting rid of the IRS wanting to add 87,000 new agents and it's funding.
Fuckin' liar.
Post by: Little Joe on June 01, 2023, 12:09:02 PM
The bill gets rid of the debt ceiling until 2025, does that sound like a good thing?We should get rid of the debt ceiling permanently. It is an artificial construction with no purpose except to allow politicians to argue about money they have already spent. If our politicians vote to spend money, then we MUST pay that bill. The only good thing about the debt ceiling is that it does give one party leverage to negotiate some stuff, but it is tough negotiation when you KNOW you MUST pay the bills regardless.
In lieu of an artificial, after the fact debt ceiling, it should be enshrined in law that Congress can't pass a spending bill that exceeds whatever ceiling we want to set. If a spending bill exceeds that amount, then they should have to vote on raising the ceiling BEFORE they vote on spending the money.
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 12:14:19 PM
Trump had a veto pen. He also had the bully pulpit to get what he wants, and his base would have supported fiscal cuts. The fact is he NEVER FOUGHT for fiscal responsibility. Not once.
You can continue to be a sycophant and ignore Trump’s mistakes and make up lies about DeSantis, but you are following a rat down the sewer; a rat who has no chance of winning the general.
Hey Stan, You've become fuckin' delusional.
Remember when you thought your pal Paul Ryan was da man? Then you thought Ted Cruz would make a great president?
Like most republicans you just can't wean yourself off the establishment tit and keep going back for more.
Sycophant? YGTBSM You're falling hook line and sinker for the establishment talking points and brainwashing.
Are you on Karl Rove's personal email newsletters as well? No wonder you are defending McCarthy, who as we all know was Paul Ryan's protege. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
That fuckin' line "he has no chance in the general"..........LOL. And your supporting a guy who can't even launch a campaign. Remember when you chided me for pointing out RDS low polling numbers, you said "He hasn't announced yet". Well, he announced and launched and barely got a 1% bump.
The establishment could have tried to work with Trump and expand the party and the leadership, but just couldn't stand the thought of an outsider being in their business. So they decided to burn down the house to get rid of the spider.
But hey, maybe your guy RDS will announce Jeb! as his running mate thinking that will get him further ahead. That fits right in with your "logic".
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 12:18:08 PM
We should get rid of the debt ceiling permanently. It is an artificial construction with no purpose except to allow politicians to argue about money they have already spent. If our politicians vote to spend money, then we MUST pay that bill. The only good thing about the debt ceiling is that it does give one party leverage to negotiate some stuff, but it is tough negotiation when you KNOW you MUST pay the bills regardless.
In lieu of an artificial, after the fact debt ceiling, it should be enshrined in law that Congress can't pass a spending bill that exceeds whatever ceiling we want to set. If a spending bill exceeds that amount, then they should have to vote on raising the ceiling BEFORE they vote on spending the money.
How about a balanced budget amendment? Either balance the budget, or we cut off all pay to congress.
Post by: Little Joe on June 01, 2023, 12:21:15 PM
How about a balanced budget amendment? Either balance the budget, or we cut off all pay to congress.I'm good with that, as long as there is a mechanism to fund things like wars and recovery from major natural disasters like volcanoes and Cat 5 Hurricanes and Earthquakes. But the mechanism needs to be well defined and limited.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 01, 2023, 01:13:11 PM
I'm good with that, as long as there is a mechanism to fund things like wars and recovery from major natural disasters like volcanoes and Cat 5 Hurricanes and Earthquakes. But the mechanism needs to be well defined and limited.
and thus doomed to fail
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REPOST BY REQUEST – In certain states, the RNC is committed to fighting today’s political battles with yesterday’s weapons. The RNC will not adapt, ever. For everyone else, the baseline reset is understood. If CTH had a small part in helping people to reset their reference points around modern electioneering, well, that’s a good thing.
The difference between “ballots” and “votes” is previously explained {SEE HERE} and absolutely critical to understand before moving forward.
Thankfully, a large percentage of conservatives, intellectually honest independents and even some GOPe donors, have read our research and are now starting to have the ‘votes‘ vs ‘ballots‘ conversation. That understanding is critical, because any conversation that does not accurately identify and accept the problem is futile.
Having said that, do not think we are smarter than the RNC. We are not. The RNC knows exactly what not to do. They are following instructions from the multinationals and Wall Street Sea Island donors. Do not miss this point or you miss the ‘ah-ha‘ moment.
In 2022, the RNC club knew exactly what the DNC club were doing in their midterm “ballot submission assistance” program. Yes, that’s exactly what “ballot harvesting” is called now. “Ballot Harvesting” is illegal in many states, “Ballot Submission Assistance” is not.
Progressive political activists in the state of Arizona scrubbed the footprints of their ballot submission assistance programs. Wait, Arizona(?) you say. Yes, Arizona a state where “ballot harvesting” is illegal, but email, fax, online and in person drop-off is possible. Ballot submission assistance is essentially the same harvesting process but in a smaller and more individualized scale and it is perfectly legal in most states.
REFERENCE and CONTEXT is critical to understanding.
After Eric Holder left the Obama administration as Attorney General, he was hired by the State of California to defend against the Trump administration in early January 2017 (LINK).
Why?
When Eric Holder left the Obama administration, his firm was contracted by California during a process of linking the motor vehicle registration files to the Secretary of State voter registration system. Holder was advising on part of a technology system being constructed to bridge the DMV and SoS offices. You might know this as a “Motor/Voter” process. However, former AG Eric Holder had a very specific function in the construction of this technology bridge.
The process of adding voters to the registration rolls when they receive or update their driver’s license was seen as an opportunity to expand the voter rolls. Making the voter rolls as big as possible is the key to the utilization of mass mail-out balloting. I will skip the part where California started giving illegal aliens drivers licenses for a moment – you can obviously see how that would play with motor/voter rolls – instead I am choosing just to focus on the specifics of the Holder aspect.
The DMV needed to connect to the SoS office. This was simply a part of a tech system that needed to be built. CTH has previously spoken with the lead engineer, a member of a very small technology group, who worked in the California information technology (IT) unit that was tasked with building the system that connected the DMV to the SOS. [NOTE: I invite the state of California to sue me, as they will likely claim what you are about to read is not true.]
In the process of connecting the two state networks together, there needed to be a “flag” – essentially a check box, where the applicant to the DMV would attest to being legally authorized to vote. It is a positive affirmation, a check box, that says the Driver’s License holder affirms they are legally eligible to vote. That affirmation (the technical flag in the process), when affirmed, then transmits the information to the SoS office with the DL operator identity, and the California driver is automatically added to the SoS rolls and registered to vote.
During the time when Eric Holder was the legal counsel for the California Secretary of State, the technology team was constructing the internal data processing systems.
The lead engineer in the unit was instructed to code the data transfer in such a way that even if the “check box” was left unchecked, the registration data would transmit from the DMV to the SoS office.
Essentially, instead of only those who affirmed their legal eligibility by checking the box, everyone -including those who did not check the box- would get a DL and would automatically have their information transmitted to the SoS office. Everyone who received a driver’s license or state issued id was automatically going to be registered to vote, regardless of their legally authorized status. That request led the engineer to contact me.
I wrote about it, published the details, then the engineer freaked out, as he/she realized there was only a very limited number of people who could expose the issue. He/She was worried about his/her safety and family and asked me to remove the article. This background is how I know the details of who, what, when and why the California mass mailing ballot process was being constructed.
In the 2018 midterm elections, we all watched the outcome of that process surface in the weeks following election day. As each day passed more and more California mail-in ballots were being counted and day-by-day Republicans, who won on election day 2018, watched their lead evaporate.
What happened in the California 2018 midterm election surrounding state-wide ballot distribution, collection (harvesting) and eventual presentation to the counting and tabulation facilities, was the BETA test for the 2020 covid-inspired national ballot mailing process.
The outcome we saw in the 2022 midterm ballot collection program was not just similar to the 2020 general election ballot collection program, it is a direct outcome of the refined BETA test from 2018. Now, we have multiple states following the California mass distribution of ballots approach. Washington state, California, Arizona, Colorado, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, New York, New Jersey, Michigan; there’s a long list.
In many states mass mailing of ballots is now codified in election law. Activist election lawyer Marc Elias came in, behind the construction by Eric Holder, with the legal arguments to support the ballot collection programs.
The Importance of Election Rolls – As you can see from the California initiation point (Motor/Voter), in order to most effectively use the mass distribution of ballots as an electioneering process, you first need a massive state secretary voter file in order to generate, then mail, the physical ballots.
Remember, votes require people – ballots require systems.
Any institutional system that can link people into the SoS system to generate a larger registration file for ballot distribution is a net positive. The key point is not to generate voters, the key is to generate ballots – the more the better. Mass printing of ballots is the origin of the electioneering process.
Any state or federal system that links a physical identity to the secretary of state voter rolls is good. Any system, like the USPS postal change of address system, that would remove physical identities from the state voter rolls is not useful. The goal is to maximize the number of systems that generate registration, that eventually generates ballots.
Beyond the Driver’s License issue, it’s everything. Sign up for public assistance, get registered to vote. Sign up for state benefits, get registered to vote. Sign up for a state id, get registered to vote. Sign up for state college, get registered to vote. Sign up for a grant, get registered to vote. Sign up for unemployment, get registered to vote. Sign up for any state system and get registered to vote. Get married, change names, change addresses, etc, that’s how the voter rolls expand and that’s how the massive distribution of ballots is created.
The states then fight against anything, any effort, any process, that would purge voter rolls or fix incorrect voting rolls. To use the new electioneering system, the system operators need ballots created, they no longer need votes. They need ballots.
Downstream from this process, that’s where you find the “ballot submission assistance” programs. This is where the local community networks, regional activist groups and widespread community organizers come into play. Instead of advertising or the previous electioneering systems around candidate promotion and Get Out The Vote (GOTV) efforts, the majority of donations to the DNC are now used in the ballot assistance programs.
SIDEBAR – Now keep in mind, the origination of the ballots starts with expanded voter rolls. The rolls contain the registry status of people, regardless of their accuracy or inaccuracy.
If you were going to hire a printing company to send out fancy wedding invitations, you would need to provide that third-party with the names, addresses and details of the invitation recipients, right? Now, overlay ballots into a similar framework. Do you remember the recent issue of Konnech (CEO Eugene Yu), an election technology company, indicted for transmitting the data files of every registered voter in Pennsylvania (and more) to China?
Inside that Konnech story is how the modern ballot creation issue connects to the activity of Eugene Yu. Did pre-printed ballots arrive en-mass, in the U.S.A, as a result of the massive data files transmitted to China? That might be a sticky-widget for quite a few interests. Then again, what state just dropped the charges against Yu on the day after the midterm election? Oh, California. I digress…
The RNC and DNC are Corporations. Please understand that both the RNC and DNC are not government entities. They are each private corporations with their individual agenda, rules and memberships. These are corporations that function more like private clubs.
When it comes to ballot collection, as a newly enhanced modern electioneering process, the RNC club isn’t incompetent or stupid, they knew what the DNC club was doing.
The RNC club operated in the 2022 midterm election to support (willful blindness) the DNC club effort. Why? Because the RNC club wants to remove the problems they have with the populist movement. The issues are big.
The RNC Club wants, as billionaire donor Ken Griffin explained from his discussions with Ronna McDaniel, Ron DeSantis and Kevin McCarthy, to remove the populist elements within the Republican Party, vis-a-vis MAGA, and realign with the multinational corporations on Wall Street. “He wants to improve the diversity of the GOP and blunt the vein of populism that has complicated the party’s relationship with the corporate world — two things he’s consulted with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy about.” (link)
As you can see, the issue of “votes” -vs- “ballots”, is not a singular issue for American voters. We have a mixed bag of mutually aligned common enemies in this process.
Republican politicians will support any process, including mass mailout ballot distribution and collection, regardless of its corrupt status, that will eliminate what they define as the problem within their club.
Their problem has a face….
(https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Donald-Trump-MAGA-Rally-1.jpeg)
RNC Agenda making sense now?
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 01, 2023, 05:25:36 PM
How about a balanced budget amendment? Either balance the budget, or we cut off all pay to congress.A balanced budget amendment does nothing to address the debt. We must cut all spending to an amount some percentage below projected revenues and use the surplus to pay down debt.
If you have credit card debt, you don't set your budget to spend everything you're making and leave the debt unaddressed.
None of this will ever happen.
Post by: Lucifer on June 01, 2023, 05:38:55 PM
A balanced budget amendment does nothing to address the debt. We must cut all spending to an amount some percentage below projected revenues and use the surplus to pay down debt.
If you have credit card debt, you don't set your budget to spend everything you're making and leave the debt unaddressed.
None of this will ever happen.
Balancing the budget would be a start. Spending above the budget incurs debt. The budget needs to address paying down the debt while remaining balanced.
This can easily be done. Stop sending money to countries that hate us. Stop funding meaningless grants in which there is no accountability. Stop sending money to other countries to build their border walls, or provide their infrastructure.
Stop funding proxy wars. Stop paying for other countries defense. Just those few things with a balanced budget would start paying down the debt.
Post by: nddons on June 01, 2023, 08:20:40 PM
Hey Stan, You've become fuckin' delusional.
Remember when you thought your pal Paul Ryan was da man? Then you thought Ted Cruz would make a great president?
Like most republicans you just can't wean yourself off the establishment tit and keep going back for more.
Sycophant? YGTBSM You're falling hook line and sinker for the establishment talking points and brainwashing.
Are you on Karl Rove's personal email newsletters as well? No wonder you are defending McCarthy, who as we all know was Paul Ryan's protege. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
That fuckin' line "he has no chance in the general"..........LOL. And your supporting a guy who can't even launch a campaign. Remember when you chided me for pointing out RDS low polling numbers, you said "He hasn't announced yet". Well, he announced and launched and barely got a 1% bump.
The establishment could have tried to work with Trump and expand the party and the leadership, but just couldn't stand the thought of an outsider being in their business. So they decided to burn down the house to get rid of the spider.
But hey, maybe your guy RDS will announce Jeb! as his running mate thinking that will get him further ahead. That fits right in with your "logic".
Grow the fuck up. Paul Ryan was good when he was the budget chairman, but I publicly disavowed him in 2016. And yes, I campaigned for Ted Cruz, and Cruz won Wisconsin. So the fuck what? Liking someone other than Trump sure gives you some major butt-hurt. Yea, you're a sycophant. You think I'm controlled by the establishment, but you aren't controlled by Trump. Got it. You think you're the only independent thinker in this group, which makes you the delusional one.
Post by: Anthony on June 02, 2023, 12:18:06 AM
Balancing the budget would be a start. Spending above the budget incurs debt. The budget needs to address paying down the debt while remaining balanced.
This can easily be done. Stop sending money to countries that hate us. Stop funding meaningless grants in which there is no accountability. Stop sending money to other countries to build their border walls, or provide their infrastructure.
Stop funding proxy wars. Stop paying for other countries defense. Just those few things with a balanced budget would start paying down the debt.
It will never happen both Democrats and Republicans are for all that spending.
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2023, 03:34:30 AM
It will never happen both Democrats and Republicans are for all that spending.
Sad but true.
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2023, 03:37:44 AM
Grow the fuck up. Paul Ryan was good when he was the budget chairman, but I publicly disavowed him in 2016. And yes, I campaigned for Ted Cruz, and Cruz won Wisconsin. So the fuck what? Liking someone other than Trump sure gives you some major butt-hurt. Yea, you're a sycophant. You think I'm controlled by the establishment, but you aren't controlled by Trump. Got it. You think you're the only independent thinker in this group, which makes you the delusional one.
Go back a few post and read the article I posted from The Conservative Tree House. It sums up where the republican party is going and what they are doing.
This one quote is telling
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The RNC Club wants, as billionaire donor Ken Griffin explained from his discussions with Ronna McDaniel, Ron DeSantis and Kevin McCarthy, to remove the populist elements within the Republican Party, vis-a-vis MAGA, and realign with the multinational corporations on Wall Street. “He wants to improve the diversity of the GOP and blunt the vein of populism that has complicated the party’s relationship with the corporate world — two things he’s consulted with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy about.”
Post by: Anthony on June 02, 2023, 03:54:49 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2023, 05:26:47 AM
Post by: Rush on June 02, 2023, 05:32:49 AM
Go back a few post and read the article I posted from The Conservative Tree House. It sums up where the republican party is going and what they are doing.
This one quote is telling
”The RNC Club wants, as billionaire donor Ken Griffin explained from his discussions with Ronna McDaniel, Ron DeSantis and Kevin McCarthy, to remove the populist elements within the Republican Party, vis-a-vis MAGA, and realign with the multinational corporations on Wall Street. “He wants to improve the diversity of the GOP and blunt the vein of populism that has complicated the party’s relationship with the corporate world — two things he’s consulted with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy about.”
That right there tells you everything you need to know. About half of Republicans are MAGA according to some polls but I think it’s actually more who are ideologically populists. The polls might ask if you support Trump over DeSantis and maybe people like Stan or Little Joe, who I believe (correct me if I’m wrong guys) are basically in line with Trump’s economic and international policies, want to drain the swamp, etc., but just don’t like his mean personality, think he’s too old, has too much baggage, or is less electable in the general, want someone who can give us two terms; they’ll be asked if they support Trump over DeSantis and when they say no, are not counted as MAGA, but are in fact more populist than establishment.
What I am saying is I think the polls are underestimating the fraction of Republicans who are this “populist element” that these RINOs want to get rid of. These voters do NOT want the GOP to strengthen it’s alignment with the corporate world at the cost of the working man. You have to look at how these polls are worded. People may not admit to being MAGA and they might not prefer Trump, but that doesn’t mean they are happy with the disconnected Republican establishment. I believe the “populist element” is far more than half. And you don’t have to be a Trump supporter to lean populist. Many people believe DeSantis is “MAGA Light”.
What I am saying is Republicans like McCarthy and McDaniel (and Griffin thinks DeSantis himself) wanting to remove the “populist elements” from the Republican Party, are miscalculating it’s size: the depth and breadth of Republican unhappiness, falsely aligning it with Trump (who is a galvanizing focus -NOT THE INVENTOR- of our unhappiness) and therefore if they succeed in severing the Party from populism, they will either become a small fraction of themselves and lose power, or become a small fraction of elite out of touch tyrants who hang on to power through corrupt duplicitous means just like the Democrats.
The grassroots movement to elect populist politicians will continue but if these establishment Republicans continue blocking them, to “keep populism out of DC”, we have a choice: Form a third party, or just go to sleep and let America continue to decline. No, I don’t think it’s time to go civil war - yet.
Post by: Lucifer on June 02, 2023, 05:54:16 AM
Trump expanded the party to a level never seen, and invited many in. His “what have you got to lose” in telling minorities after years of democrat abuse brought even more in.
Of course the RNC wanted the voters, but in their true to form ideology they expected these new voters to go Jeb! and toss Trump aside.
Post by: Anthony on June 02, 2023, 06:16:27 AM
The RNC was on its last leg in 2016 when they thought everyone wanted Jeb!, yet another Bush.
Trump expanded the party to a level never seen, and invited many in. His “what have you got to lose” in telling minorities after years of democrat abuse brought even more in.
Of course the RNC wanted the voters, but in their true to form ideology they expected these new voters to go Jeb! and toss Trump aside.
The RNC leadership and many if it's backers hated that Trump was in the Primary race and also hated that he won.
Post by: Rush on June 02, 2023, 06:39:41 AM
The RNC leadership and many if it's backers hated that Trump was in the Primary race and also hated that he won.
Like me in high school. Not part of the “clique”.
Post by: nddons on June 02, 2023, 07:23:27 AM
That right there tells you everything you need to know. About half of Republicans are MAGA according to some polls but I think it’s actually more who are ideologically populists. The polls might ask if you support Trump over DeSantis and maybe people like Stan or Little Joe, who I believe (correct me if I’m wrong guys) are basically in line with Trump’s economic and international policies, want to drain the swamp, etc., but just don’t like his mean personality, think he’s too old, has too much baggage, or is less electable in the general, want someone who can give us two terms; they’ll be asked if they support Trump over DeSantis and when they say no, are not counted as MAGA, but are in fact more populist than establishment.Anthony, this is an outstanding post, and you read the room very well.
What I am saying is I think the polls are underestimating the fraction of Republicans who are this “populist element” that these RINOs want to get rid of. These voters do NOT want the GOP to strengthen it’s alignment with the corporate world at the cost of the working man. You have to look at how these polls are worded. People may not admit to being MAGA and they might not prefer Trump, but that doesn’t mean they are happy with the disconnected Republican establishment. I believe the “populist element” is far more than half. And you don’t have to be a Trump supporter to lean populist. Many people believe DeSantis is “MAGA Light”.
What I am saying is Republicans like McCarthy and McDaniel (and Griffin thinks DeSantis himself) wanting to remove the “populist elements” from the Republican Party, are miscalculating it’s size: the depth and breadth of Republican unhappiness, falsely aligning it with Trump (who is a galvanizing focus -NOT THE INVENTOR- of our unhappiness) and therefore if they succeed in severing the Party from populism, they will either become a small fraction of themselves and lose power, or become a small fraction of elite out of touch tyrants who hang on to power through corrupt duplicitous means just like the Democrats.
The grassroots movement to elect populist politicians will continue but if these establishment Republicans continue blocking them, to “keep populism out of DC”, we have a choice: Form a third party, or just go to sleep and let America continue to decline. No, I don’t think it’s time to go civil war - yet.
The only slight correction is I don’t mind that he has a “mean” personality if it is directed at the left, AND brings voters to his camp. If he pushes voters away, including those in the important middle, then it is simply self-destructive narcissism. So far his outright lies have been primarily directed at DeSantis, and they violate Reagan’s 11th commandment. If he thinks those things will galvanize us populists to him, he is sorely mistaken.
Otherwise, well done.
Post by: Anthony on June 02, 2023, 07:55:36 AM
Anthony, this is an outstanding post, and you read the room very well.
The only slight correction is I don’t mind that he has a “mean” personality if it is directed at the left, AND brings voters to his camp. If he pushes voters away, including those in the important middle, then it is simply self-destructive narcissism. So far his outright lies have been primarily directed at DeSantis, and they violate Reagan’s 11th commandment. If he thinks those things will galvanize us populists to him, he is sorely mistaken.
Otherwise, well done.
That is actually Rush's excellent post and I am flattered that you'd even think it was mine. ;D
Post by: nddons on June 02, 2023, 08:05:32 AM
That is actually Rush's excellent post and I am flattered that you'd even think it was mine. ;DOh shit. Sorry Rush!! I was just scrolling down on Tapatalk and thought to myself it was an awfully long post for Anthony, but I went with it.
Now it makes sense! Lol
Post by: Rush on June 02, 2023, 08:14:16 AM
Anthony, this is an outstanding post, and you read the room very well.
The only slight correction is I don’t mind that he has a “mean” personality if it is directed at the left, AND brings voters to his camp. If he pushes voters away, including those in the important middle, then it is simply self-destructive narcissism. So far his outright lies have been primarily directed at DeSantis, and they violate Reagan’s 11th commandment. If he thinks those things will galvanize us populists to him, he is sorely mistaken.
Otherwise, well done.
I don’t disagree with that. I do wish he’d tone it down a bit wrt DeSantis and McEnany, especially McEnany because she is so loved by Trump’s base who might be unaware of her lessening support of him, and, yes this sounds sexist, but people don’t like to see aggressive attacks on pretty females. DeSantis is a direct threat so that’s more understandable but not Kayleigh.
Post by: Rush on June 02, 2023, 08:14:52 AM
Oh shit. Sorry Rush!! I was just scrolling down on Tapatalk and thought to myself it was an awfully long post for Anthony, but I went with it.
Now it makes sense! Lol
Lol! No offense taken at all.
Post by: Anthony on June 02, 2023, 08:22:19 AM
Oh shit. Sorry Rush!! I was just scrolling down on Tapatalk and thought to myself it was an awfully long post for Anthony, but I went with it.
Now it makes sense! Lol
Stan. You made my day! Lol.
Edited: I don't know how the word hypocrite got into the top of my post. Weird. Certainly wasn't intended for you Stan.
Post by: Rush on June 02, 2023, 08:28:57 AM
That is actually Rush's excellent post and I am flattered that you'd even think it was mine. ;D
I take that as a compliment. Thanks!
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 02, 2023, 08:53:41 AM
I think that the down-ballot implications of the nominee should be taken into account. Will they endorse electable and principled candidates for congressional seats? And whoever becomes president has to work with congressional establishment Republicans if they ever hope to accomplish anything of lasting impact.
I think Trump will have big problems working with congress and his endorsement record is getting progressively worse. Anything he does as president without congress will vanish after his term ends. DeSantis has been in congress and did fine there before getting elected as Florida's governor. In Florida he has done well with getting legislation passed precisely because he can work with establishment Republicans.
Post by: Rush on June 02, 2023, 10:02:38 AM
I'll be voting Libertarian (deep red state, so I wont affect anything), so my thoughts on Trump v DeSantis are mostly academic.
I think that the down-ballot implications of the nominee should be taken into account. Will they endorse electable and principled candidates for congressional seats? And whoever becomes president has to work with congressional establishment Republicans if they ever hope to accomplish anything of lasting impact.
I think Trump will have big problems working with congress and his endorsement record is getting progressively worse. Anything he does as president without congress will vanish after his term ends. DeSantis has been in congress and did fine there before getting elected as Florida's governor. In Florida he has done well with getting legislation passed precisely because he can work with establishment Republicans.
Yeah but I don’t like some of his legislation.
Post by: Little Joe on June 02, 2023, 10:59:40 AM
Yeah but I don’t like some of his legislation.I've decided that I'm not going to vote for anyone unless I like ALL of EVERYTHING they ever do or say.
Post by: Rush on June 02, 2023, 11:30:18 AM
I've decided that I'm not going to vote for anyone unless I like ALL of EVERYTHING they ever do or say.
Sarcasm? ;D
I just heard Styx say if Trump isn’t the nominee he might write himself in. That would be fun but of course he wouldn’t get anywhere.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 02, 2023, 12:03:27 PM
Yeah but I don’t like some of his legislation.
I don't either. But he appears to have been effective in getting his desired laws passed.
Post by: Rush on June 02, 2023, 05:01:12 PM
https://rumble.com/v2rcbxg-thursday-live-classified-document-tape-james-okeefe-and-project-veritas-etc.html
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 03, 2023, 06:54:21 AM
“ 1. Trump beat Biden in 2020, but election fraud cheated him out of victory. So Trump deserves the nomination in 2024 so he can lose again to the same opponent in the same way.
2a. The 2022 midterms, in which DeSantis shellacked his (D) opponent by ~20 points and toxic Trump-endorsed candidates lost winnable races, actually prove that …….. Trump rules and DeSantis sucks. Yes. Really!
2b. DeSantis is a RINO whereas Trump, with his history of donating to Democrats including Kamala Harris, is the real conservative.
3. Trump’s abject failure to deliver on key campaign promises from 2016 (build the wall, drain the swamp) should in no way impact the credibility of his campaign promises for 2024.
4. Trump was bullied and manipulated into making terrible hiring decision after terrible hiring decision in his first term. But things will totally be different in his second term, which won’t happen anyway because Democrats are just going to cheat again. Refer back to #1.”
https://reason.com/2023/06/02/trump-reportedly-viewed-a-supposedly-declassified-document-as-a-secret-he-was-not-allowed-to-share/?comments=true#comments (https://reason.com/2023/06/02/trump-reportedly-viewed-a-supposedly-declassified-document-as-a-secret-he-was-not-allowed-to-share/?comments=true#comments)
Post by: Rush on June 03, 2023, 08:02:29 AM
Found this comment under the article linked below. Many of the same Trump v DeSantis debates break out there. It amused me though is not entirely fair.
“ 1. Trump beat Biden in 2020, but election fraud cheated him out of victory. So Trump deserves the nomination in 2024 so he can lose again to the same opponent in the same way.
If that's a reason not to support Trump, it assumes DeSantis won't lose vs Biden in the same way.
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2a. The 2022 midterms, in which DeSantis shellacked his (D) opponent by ~20 points and toxic Trump-endorsed candidates lost winnable races, actually prove that …….. Trump rules and DeSantis sucks. Yes. Really!
The Trump endorsed candidates that lost was because they were abandoned by the Uniparty RINOs. Even so many of his endorsed candidates did win.
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2b. DeSantis is a RINO whereas Trump, with his history of donating to Democrats including Kamala Harris, is the real conservative.
How many times do I have to say it. Trump is not a conservative. He's a pragmatist. Sometimes that means working with Dems. He used to be a Democrat, had to work in NYC for goodness sake, and has donated to all sorts of people. As for Harris, he gave her chump change - way before 2016 - which she turned around and donated to a non-profit that advocates for human rights in South America. Why he did I don't know, it might have been because it was to please his daughter. Hardly a sign he supports the far left. Maybe he just gave her money because she's so entertaining.
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3. Trump’s abject failure to deliver on key campaign promises from 2016 (build the wall, drain the swamp) should in no way impact the credibility of his campaign promises for 2024.
Funny, according to my paper copy of his campaign promises, he kept, or tried to keep despite opposition, many if not most of them, including significant progress on the wall, if not the physical wall, policies that discouraged illegals to even attempt. As for draining the swamp, easier said than done, but at least he called it out in plain English in a way no politician before him has ever done.
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4. Trump was bullied and manipulated into making terrible hiring decision after terrible hiring decision in his first term. But things will totally be different in his second term, which won’t happen anyway because Democrats are just going to cheat again. Refer back to #1.”
Nobody is perfect and everybody learns from their mistakes. I have no reason to think DeSantis will do any better. And yes I think the Dems will try everything to cheat in either case.
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https://reason.com/2023/06/02/trump-reportedly-viewed-a-supposedly-declassified-document-as-a-secret-he-was-not-allowed-to-share/?comments=true#comments (https://reason.com/2023/06/02/trump-reportedly-viewed-a-supposedly-declassified-document-as-a-secret-he-was-not-allowed-to-share/?comments=true#comments)
Post by: Number7 on June 03, 2023, 08:34:15 AM
I’ve never heard a fake conservative comment on the fake republicans like murkowski, romney, and collins doing everything in their power to cut the ground out from under the only president in the last forty years who actually tried to do only what was in the best interest of the people.
Post by: Rush on June 03, 2023, 08:42:36 AM
The RINO - we are all manipulated by the fucking lamestream media - contingebt grasp at any bullshit, no matter how pathetic to pretend to prove we should all. It’s against our interests so our Facebook friends won’t make fun of us.
I’ve never heard a fake conservative. Moment on the fake republicans like murkowski, romney, and Collins doing everything in their power to cut the ground out from under the only president in the last forty years who actually tried to do only what was in the best interest of the people.
This is the long and short of it.
Post by: Little Joe on June 03, 2023, 01:44:48 PM
We have been discussing Trump V DeSantis, but we have been leaving out an important aspect.
But first let me say that if Trump wins in November 24, I will be out on the street, cheering and holding a sign that says "I'm glad I was wrong".
Or if Trump loses the general, I will be here in front of my computer with a handle of bourbon typing "I told you so" until I pass out.
The thing we have been leaving out is what will Trump be able to do if he does win? Will we have that "Big Red Wave" that fizzled in '22?
Will Trump have enough support to get anything passed? Even if the Rs do take both houses, will they vote in lock step for Trump like the Dems vote in lock step for the head Donkey. I can't imagine a scenario where Trump will have a unified Congress backing him, thus he will be a lame duck from the git-go.
I think DeSantis will be able to get more of what we want done with Congress than Trump will.
Post by: Lucifer on June 03, 2023, 02:23:51 PM
The thing we have been leaving out is what will Trump be able to do if he does win? Will we have that "Big Red Wave" that fizzled in '22?
Will Trump have enough support to get anything passed? Even if the Rs do take both houses, will they vote in lock step for Trump like the Dems vote in lock step for the head Donkey. I can't imagine a scenario where Trump will have a unified Congress backing him, thus he will be a lame duck from the git-go.
I think DeSantis will be able to get more of what we want done with Congress than Trump will.
You're still forgetting one thing, the radical democrat communist. Think a President DeSantis will get the democrats to go along with any conservative agenda under him? If so, I have this bridge......
The establishment has more in common with the democrats than not. We just witnessed the establishment once again fuck us over by passing an unlimited debt ceiling bill. Even RDS said it was a bad bill. But if the establishment is going to pick up the tab to get RDS elected, do you really think he's going to go against them in congress?
RDS, if elected (if he can even get nominated) will be in the hip pocket of the UniParty. So where does that leave the rest of us?
Post by: Anthony on June 03, 2023, 02:42:50 PM
Post by: Lucifer on June 03, 2023, 02:46:29 PM
I'm in the burn it all down camp. If that means secession so be it. If it also means Civil War that'll suck but at least this crap will end.
While others are focused on the president, the real problem is congress. The UniParty has taken over both houses, and with voter apathy they are rarely ever removed.
We just watched both houses fuck us over, and supposedly the republicans hold congress.
Post by: Rush on June 03, 2023, 02:50:30 PM
Ok, this is in the Trump v DeSantis thread.
We have been discussing Trump V DeSantis, but we have been leaving out an important aspect.
But first let me say that if Trump wins in November 24, I will be out on the street, cheering and holding a sign that says "I'm glad I was wrong".
Or if Trump loses the general, I will be here in front of my computer with a handle of bourbon typing "I told you so" until I pass out.
The thing we have been leaving out is what will Trump be able to do if he does win? Will we have that "Big Red Wave" that fizzled in '22?
Will Trump have enough support to get anything passed? Even if the Rs do take both houses, will they vote in lock step for Trump like the Dems vote in lock step for the head Donkey. I can't imagine a scenario where Trump will have a unified Congress backing him, thus he will be a lame duck from the git-go.
I think DeSantis will be able to get more of what we want done with Congress than Trump will.
Well, what do we want done? I’m going to have to look at both their platforms very closely. Maybe wait til they come out with more specifics. One thing they both said that I disagree with is expanding the death penalty. Trump said for drug pushers and DeSantis said (I think even signed into law) for child diddlers. I oppose both of those for different reasons. The drug pushers are selling a product the user voluntarily ingests, death penalty seems a bit much when the “victim” also knowingly did something illegal, and kiddie diddler cases can lack concrete evidence yet the emotions are so high on the subject I fear innocents will be caught up. Example, wives in divorce cases falsely accusing the man of child sex abuse.
In any case I oppose the death penalty at all. Too much prosecutorial misconduct. The state has no business killing us for any reason. Or rather, I believe in the death penalty but it should be carried out at the time of the attempted crime by the would be victim.
I guess I can assume DeSantis will do like Trump with energy? “Drill baby drill” Trump says. I know Trump will be aggressive about it. Tax cuts? Will DeSantis reenact Trump’s small business tax cut? That thing saved me thousands of dollars!
Foreign policy? Will DeSantis get Kim Nutso to fall in line just by talking about his big red button? Will DeSantis end the Russia/Ukraine war? Trump claims he will. Or at the very least stop sending them billions of our tax dollars. I don’t know what DeSantis wants to do about it. Or does he even want to end it? How will DeSantis handle Chyyna? I know Trump can keep them under control.
They’ll probably both do equally well on the border.
They both waffled on abortion when asked if they’d support a national ban, which I’m appalled some Republicans are now claiming we should do, after 50 years claiming it should go back to the states. On almost every issue, regulation should be decentralized. That’s the whole point of a republic as opposed to an empire. But the conservatives fear the Dems will try to legislate a national “right” to abortion, which is equally appalling from a constitutional standpoint.
No matter, I’ll support either of them if they win the primary. Unless Styx writes in, then I’ll vote for him of course. ;D
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 03, 2023, 10:22:02 PM
Post by: nddons on June 03, 2023, 10:52:04 PM
If that's a reason not to support Trump, it assumes DeSantis won't lose vs Biden in the same way.Trump’s campaign said in a tweet that DeSantis voted for Trump nominee Christopher Wray. An outright lie designed to fool the dumbest supporters.
The Trump endorsed candidates that lost was because they were abandoned by the Uniparty RINOs. Even so many of his endorsed candidates did win.
How many times do I have to say it. Trump is not a conservative. He's a pragmatist. Sometimes that means working with Dems. He used to be a Democrat, had to work in NYC for goodness sake, and has donated to all sorts of people. As for Harris, he gave her chump change - way before 2016 - which she turned around and donated to a non-profit that advocates for human rights in South America. Why he did I don't know, it might have been because it was to please his daughter. Hardly a sign he supports the far left. Maybe he just gave her money because she's so entertaining.
Funny, according to my paper copy of his campaign promises, he kept, or tried to keep despite opposition, many if not most of them, including significant progress on the wall, if not the physical wall, policies that discouraged illegals to even attempt. As for draining the swamp, easier said than done, but at least he called it out in plain English in a way no politician before him has ever done.
Nobody is perfect and everybody learns from their mistakes. I have no reason to think DeSantis will do any better. And yes I think the Dems will try everything to cheat in either case.
DeSantis was never a senator, and could not vote on any nominees.
Is this the man you want as POTUS? A man who throws out such careless lies?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-attacks-desantis-supporting-trump-nominee-claims-voted-senate-confirmed-position
Post by: Number7 on June 04, 2023, 03:03:22 AM
Trump’s campaign said in a tweet that DeSantis voted for Trump nominee Christopher Wray. An outright lie designed to fool the dumbest supporters.
DeSantis was never a senator, and could not vote on any nominees.
Is this the man you want as POTUS? A man who throws out such careless lies?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-attacks-desantis-supporting-trump-nominee-claims-voted-senate-confirmed-position
Do you ever stop pretending outrage to justify your devotion to the left’s positions???
Post by: Rush on June 04, 2023, 03:39:18 AM
Who believes Trump's claim that he could end the Russia/Ukraine war in 24 hours?
Trump speaks in gross exaggeration and hyperbole. He always has. We know to take him seriously, not literally. His enemies take him literally, not seriously.
I predict that what he will do is first day in office put a halt to sending military equipment and money to Ukraine, and offer negotiating assistance. That can be done in one day. The rest will subsequently wind down, unless Europe steps up and starts funding Ukraine which I doubt will happen.
Post by: Little Joe on June 04, 2023, 03:44:25 AM
Do you ever stop pretending outrage to justify your devotion to the left’s positions???Do you ever stop to think through the BS you are spouting?
What you just said is that speaking the Truth is the left's position.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 04, 2023, 07:49:42 AM
https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1664454858949160961
Post by: Number7 on June 04, 2023, 08:22:34 AM
Do you ever stop to think through the BS you are spouting?
What you just said is that speaking the Truth is the left's position.
It is in your obsession with justifying your devotion to the swamp.
Post by: Rush on June 04, 2023, 08:31:45 AM
Take the two minutes and 12 seconds. This, full stop.
https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1664454858949160961
Dang I wanted to watch that whole thing and I missed it.
Post by: Anthony on June 04, 2023, 09:28:54 AM
Utterly disgusting and that's why I think only a Civil War will end this and allow a rebirth to normalcy.
Post by: nddons on June 04, 2023, 10:54:25 PM
Do you ever stop pretending outrage to justify your devotion to the left’s positions???Stop being a little cunt and man up and take it if someone disagrees with you.
Post by: Number7 on June 05, 2023, 02:04:45 AM
Stop being a little cunt and man up and take it if someone disagrees with you.
Stop pretending you have legitimate objections about President Trump.
Just admit you are managed by the media and lack the balls to think for yourself.
Post by: Rush on June 05, 2023, 05:02:01 AM
Trump faced extremely harsh, debilitating criticism from all angles. Most people would have withered and given up. He didn't. Media, Democrats, Republicans, World leaders, Academics, etc all accused him.
Utterly disgusting and that's why I think only a Civil War will end this and allow a rebirth to normalcy.
This is why Trump is one of a kind and why I think all other Republicans including DeSantis will cave to the swamp if they can even get elected.
Endless legal challenges for years and years. The end of his beloved status among celebrities. Threats of prison and the very real possibility of assassination. And all of the hatred directed toward his family too. The most intense pressure put on a president in my lifetime certainly.
The reason is that he is a threat to the status quo. He is a danger to their power. If DeSantis is going to follow in his footsteps you’ll see the same level of attacks unleashed on him too. If it isn’t you’ll know he’s cooperating with the Uniparty. Perhaps one of the clearest signs is if the Republicans fail to attack anyone DeSantis endorses, like they withdrew money from the Trump endorsees in the midterms.
The trouble with civil war, other than the fact that it’s war, is that even if we win we then have the problem of picking a leader. I envision the two sides hardening into far right and far left. Do you really think that if “we” win, our new country will be a 1776 style constitutional republic? I’m not going to assume that at all.
The thing that keeps a nation balanced is having two sides roughly equal always in conflict. The last thing we want is a one party system. On the other hand, without fair elections the two party system is meaningless and we have a one party system anyway. Not even a Uniparty, just Dems always in the WH. In that case civil war may eventually be our only option. I don’t see it ending well though.
Post by: Little Joe on June 05, 2023, 05:12:32 AM
The trouble with civil war, other than the fact that it’s war, is that even if we win we then have the problem of picking a leader. I envision the two sides hardening into far right and far left. Do you really think that if “we” win, our new country will be a 1776 style constitutional republic? I’m not going to assume that at all.Another problem with a civil war is that most people are not either hard right or hard left. The majority fall between these two points, so unless we divide up into THREE separate sides, there will still be division.
Post by: Rush on June 05, 2023, 05:21:13 AM
Another problem with a civil war is that most people are not either hard right or hard left. The majority fall between these two points, so unless we divide up into THREE separate sides, there will still be division.
Exactly. And most will not be willing to fight. Maybe that’s true in all wars. Wasn’t it a minority in the American Revolution that were the “extremists” that got us split from England?
Post by: Little Joe on June 05, 2023, 05:27:52 AM
Exactly. And most will not be willing to fight. Maybe that’s true in all wars. Wasn’t it a minority in the American Revolution that were the “extremists” that got us split from England?Yeah, but that was a fairly easy separation. We are here and they are there (3 thousand miles away).
But in the US, the two most liberal states are Massachusetts and Hawaii. Not exactly neighbors.
And then there is New York and California. How do you put those two in the same pot?
Post by: Rush on June 05, 2023, 05:44:10 AM
Yeah, but that was a fairly easy separation. We are here and they are there (3 thousand miles away).
But in the US, the two most liberal states are Massachusetts and Hawaii. Not exactly neighbors.
And then there is New York and California. How do you put those two in the same pot?
The real problem is the cities. There are many states that are all red except for one or two shithole cities. States with lots of resources. I don’t see splitting up by state as a good solution. What we need to do is cut off the cities from all supplies and electric power, isolate them and starve them out.
Post by: Lucifer on June 05, 2023, 06:48:59 AM
The real problem is the cities. There are many states that are all red except for one or two shithole cities. States with lots of resources. I don’t see splitting up by state as a good solution. What we need to do is cut off the cities from all supplies and electric power, isolate them and starve them out.
Cut away NYC and Albany, and NY state becomes red. Cut away the Bay area and the LA basin, and California becomes red. Cut away Chicago and IL becomes red.
Post by: nddons on June 05, 2023, 08:22:24 AM
Exactly. And most will not be willing to fight. Maybe that’s true in all wars. Wasn’t it a minority in the American Revolution that were the “extremists” that got us split from England?Yes. That’s why they were known as the “Three Percenters.”
Post by: Anthony on June 05, 2023, 08:24:47 AM
Cut away NYC and Albany, and NY state becomes red. Cut away the Bay area and the LA basin, and California becomes red. Cut away Chicago and IL becomes red.
All their suburbs need to be cut away also. Suburbs and even ex burbs are almost all blue now.
Post by: Lucifer on June 05, 2023, 09:03:17 AM
All their suburbs need to be cut away also. Suburbs and even ex burbs are almost all blue now.
Cancer spreads.
Post by: Anthony on June 05, 2023, 11:19:51 AM
Cancer spreads.
They move out of the cities and close in, crappy suburbs to escape high taxes, crime and high costs then continue to vote Democrats! Madness.
Post by: Lucifer on June 05, 2023, 03:37:03 PM
Pence has announced.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 05, 2023, 03:54:23 PM
Well, now it’s officially over.
Pence has announced.
This crowded field works for Trump - like it did in 2015/16.
Post by: Lucifer on June 05, 2023, 04:03:39 PM
This crowded field works for Trump - like it did in 2015/16.
Dunno. With such powerhouses as Pence, Christie and Hutchison, Trump and DeSatis will have to throw the towel in.
Post by: Number7 on June 05, 2023, 04:30:10 PM
Well, now it’s officially over.
Pence has announced.
Hahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha….
Post by: elwood blues on June 05, 2023, 06:15:19 PM
Do you really think that if “we” win, our new country will be a 1776 style constitutional republic? I’m not going to assume that at all.
I'll assume it, because we're going to have a good old-fashioned war where you beat your enemy into submission. The libs will be enslaved, or most likely, dead.
Post by: Rush on June 05, 2023, 06:23:36 PM
Dunno. With such powerhouses as Pence, Christie and Hutchison, Trump and DeSatis will have to throw the towel in.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Post by: nddons on June 05, 2023, 08:52:16 PM
This crowded field works for Trump - like it did in 2015/16.
I think the debates will be interesting. Word is Trump will not participate in the first debate that will be held in Milwaukee. While the third tier candidates will certainly pile on DeSantis, there will be a lot of attacks on Trump. Is Trump capable of sitting on the sidelines watching this, without getting into the food fight directly? Is he going to livestream his reactions? Have his own rally? I can't see how he quietly sits it out.
Post by: Rush on June 06, 2023, 02:06:36 AM
I think the debates will be interesting. Word is Trump will not participate in the first debate that will be held in Milwaukee. While the third tier candidates will certainly pile on DeSantis, there will be a lot of attacks on Trump. Is Trump capable of sitting on the sidelines watching this, without getting into the food fight directly? Is he going to livestream his reactions? Have his own rally? I can't see how he quietly sits it out.
Maybe he’ll get back on Twitter.
Post by: Little Joe on June 06, 2023, 05:35:12 AM
But how does he get anything done with all the Ds and half the Republicans (Rinos and other swamp creatures), not to mention the majority of the media, against him, regardless of what he tries to do?
Yeah, I know; the same can be asked about DeSantis, so answer the question for either one you want.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 06, 2023, 06:16:43 AM
Post by: Number7 on June 06, 2023, 06:37:57 AM
I doubt President Trump will make the same mistakes again and let the fuckwad contingent scam the country backwards again.
Post by: Little Joe on June 06, 2023, 07:05:30 AM
President Trump was making outstanding headway against the swamp until the Covid scam was inflicted to end any improvements.I hope you are right, but unless we get a lot more Rs in both houses, I suspect Eppy is right.
I doubt President Trump will make the same mistakes again and let the fuckwad contingent scam the country backwards again.
I'm not singing the praises of the Republican party here. It is just that they are more likely go go along with Trump (or DeSantis) than the Ds.
Post by: Rush on June 06, 2023, 07:05:49 AM
Let's assume that Trump wins the General. If he can, more power to him and I will support him.
But how does he get anything done with all the Ds and half the Republicans (Rinos and other swamp creatures), not to mention the majority of the media, against him, regardless of what he tries to do?
Yeah, I know; the same can be asked about DeSantis, so answer the question for either one you want.
I think Trump can return us to something a lot better than we have now but only for four years. And that is assuming he isn’t cheated out of it again or assassinated. But after his four years we will go back to the downward slide unless something drastic happens within both parties to clean up their acts and get back to working for the common man, loosening up the free market, etc. I don’t see it happening. Trump will be remembered as a bright light of peace and prosperity that shone for one minute in otherwise very dark times as we slide down into hell.
DeSantis maybe the same if he is actually more populist than Uniparty and best case can give us 8 years but I put the chance of all that happening at maybe 10% at best.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 06, 2023, 08:12:14 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 06, 2023, 09:13:57 AM
Post by: jb1842 on June 06, 2023, 11:17:52 AM
My answer, nothing will change and we'll continue down the hole of socialism.
We can only hope to get socialism at this point. The left wants full blown communism, IMO.
Post by: Anthony on June 06, 2023, 11:20:54 AM
No matter how you look at any of this, keep in mind. We are not going to vote our way out of tyranny.
Secession is the only way out with a loose confederation nothing like the Fedgov we have now. I know the cities are the problem and they'll be dealt with swiftly and harshly.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 06, 2023, 06:53:34 PM
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6157.0;attach=3453)
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 06, 2023, 08:04:31 PM
I'll just drop this here....
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6157.0;attach=3453)
This is the same DeSantis who promoted the so-called "don't say gay" law that caused him to get in a fight with Disney. The Anheuser-Busch, er, "bud light" lobbyist would presumably be working against AB's interest if AB were as "woke" as everyone assumes. Basically working both sides of the street. Seems unlikely.
Take a look at this:
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=N00023864 (https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=N00023864)
Third largest donor to Trump's 2016 run: Disney, with $5,005,823. Meaning? None. Just as there is no meaning in that lobbyist disclosure.
(If establishment Republicans are for DeSantis it is ether because they like him or they hate Trump enough that they go with whoever they think will beat Trump. I think it is mostly the latter.)
Post by: Little Joe on June 07, 2023, 04:44:15 AM
I'll just drop this here....I can't say if any of that is true, but it sure sounds like BS to me.
(http://www.pilotspin.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6157.0;attach=3453)
But then again, liberals never lie, do they?
Post by: Rush on June 07, 2023, 05:10:20 AM
This is the same DeSantis who promoted the so-called "don't say gay" law that caused him to get in a fight with Disney. The Anheuser-Busch, er, "bud light" lobbyist would presumably be working against AB's interest if AB were as "woke" as everyone assumes. Basically working both sides of the street. Seems unlikely.
Take a look at this:
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=N00023864 (https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=N00023864)
Third largest donor to Trump's 2016 run: Disney, with $5,005,823. Meaning? None. Just as there is no meaning in that lobbyist disclosure.
(If establishment Republicans are for DeSantis it is ether because they like him or they hate Trump enough that they go with whoever they think will beat Trump. I think it is mostly the latter.)
Maybe they donate to everybody so that they can get favors from whomever wins.
Post by: Little Joe on June 07, 2023, 05:14:58 AM
Maybe they donate to everybody so that they can get favors from whomever wins.And maybe politicians accept money from anyone because without money you lose, and you can't effect any change if you lose.
Politicians only give money received from tainted sources back, IF they get caught accepting it.
Post by: nddons on June 07, 2023, 07:49:39 AM
I can't say if any of that is true, but it sure sounds like BS to me.Neither liberals nor Trump ever lie.
But then again, liberals never lie, do they?
NGFOTT
I mean, didn’t DeSantis vote for Trump nominee Christopher Wray when DeSantis was a senator? They what trump told us.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-attacks-desantis-supporting-trump-nominee-claims-voted-senate-confirmed-position
Post by: nddons on June 07, 2023, 07:58:18 AM
This is the same DeSantis who promoted the so-called "don't say gay" law that caused him to get in a fight with Disney. The Anheuser-Busch, er, "bud light" lobbyist would presumably be working against AB's interest if AB were as "woke" as everyone assumes. Basically working both sides of the street. Seems unlikely.I’ve said this elsewhere but just because establishment types might like DeSantis does not mean he’s in their pocket. Even the establishment has to vote for someone, and the only viable alternative to Trump is DeSantis. It’s called logic.
Take a look at this:
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=N00023864 (https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=N00023864)
Third largest donor to Trump's 2016 run: Disney, with $5,005,823. Meaning? None. Just as there is no meaning in that lobbyist disclosure.
(If establishment Republicans are for DeSantis it is ether because they like him or they hate Trump enough that they go with whoever they think will beat Trump. I think it is mostly the latter.)
Post by: nddons on June 07, 2023, 08:04:20 AM
This is the same DeSantis who promoted the so-called "don't say gay" law that caused him to get in a fight with Disney. The Anheuser-Busch, er, "bud light" lobbyist would presumably be working against AB's interest if AB were as "woke" as everyone assumes. Basically working both sides of the street. Seems unlikely.Disney doubled down and donated $10MM to Trump for the 2020 election according to Open Secrets. Were they trying to buy him?
Take a look at this:
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=N00023864 (https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=N00023864)
Third largest donor to Trump's 2016 run: Disney, with $5,005,823. Meaning? None. Just as there is no meaning in that lobbyist disclosure.
(If establishment Republicans are for DeSantis it is ether because they like him or they hate Trump enough that they go with whoever they think will beat Trump. I think it is mostly the latter.)
Post by: Username on June 07, 2023, 08:32:35 AM
And maybe politicians accept money from anyone because without money you lose, and you can'tFIFYeffect any changeget mega-rich if you lose.
Post by: Number7 on June 07, 2023, 04:05:27 PM
Disney doubled down and donated $10MM to Trump for the 2020 election according to Open Secrets. Were they trying to buy him?
Campaign donations are an investment not an example of fealty.
When it was obvious that Trump would win Florida and Ohio it became necessary to pretend to support him.
Post by: Lucifer on June 07, 2023, 04:48:46 PM
https://bankyourvote.com/
Post by: Rush on June 07, 2023, 05:31:45 PM
Ronna Botox has a plan!
https://bankyourvote.com/
I still have no idea how voting by mail in is supposed to bring in more votes unless you’re cheating. Yeah maybe a few will mail it in who wouldn’t have come on Election Day but it sounds like they’re telling people to mail in the vote instead of coming in person.
Post by: nddons on June 07, 2023, 09:11:38 PM
Campaign donations are an investment not an example of fealty.So you agree that donations from Republican donors to DeSantis doesn’t make him establishment.
When it was obvious that Trump would win Florida and Ohio it became necessary to pretend to support him.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Post by: nddons on June 07, 2023, 09:18:26 PM
I still have no idea how voting by mail in is supposed to bring in more votes unless you’re cheating. Yeah maybe a few will mail it in who wouldn’t have come on Election Day but it sounds like they’re telling people to mail in the vote instead of coming in person.The reason for this has been explained many times to us in Wisconsin.
The state or local GOP organizations target their campaigns to people who haven’t yet voted. That costs time and money and volunteer time. My wife did phone bank calling for the Wisconsin GOP in the 2022 elections.
By voting early, they don’t have to waste time calling you, sending you flyers, or texting you, because they know you voted. So they can concentrate their efforts on people who haven’t voted.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Post by: Rush on June 08, 2023, 01:51:45 AM
The reason for this has been explained many times to us in Wisconsin.
The state or local GOP organizations target their campaigns to people who haven’t yet voted. That costs time and money and volunteer time. My wife did phone bank calling for the Wisconsin GOP in the 2022 elections.
By voting early, they don’t have to waste time calling you, sending you flyers, or texting you, because they know you voted. So they can concentrate their efforts on people who haven’t voted.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
Oh, okay. That makes sense.
Post by: Number7 on June 08, 2023, 01:59:45 AM
So you agree that donations from Republican donors to DeSantis doesn’t make him establishment.
Sent from my iPad . Squirrel!!
I agree that donations often reflect mercenary intentions of donors, not support.
Post by: nddons on June 08, 2023, 09:37:39 AM
Oh, okay. That makes sense.It was news to me, but makes sense. But because I don’t trust that my ballot will make it to the scanner on Election Day, I still vote on Election Day.
Post by: Lucifer on June 08, 2023, 09:53:04 AM
Until the RNC can figure this out, they don't stand a chance.
Post by: Anthony on June 08, 2023, 10:53:37 AM
It was news to me, but makes sense. But because I don’t trust that my ballot will make it to the scanner on Election Day, I still vote on Election Day.
They need to stop this mail in voting crap. It's destroying our country. There was a reason we have a voting day and you had to vote in person.
Post by: Lucifer on June 08, 2023, 11:00:07 AM
They need to stop this mail in voting crap. It's destroying our country. There was a reason we have a voting day and you had to vote in person.
Mail in voting, month long voting, voter rolls that never get cleaned up, no ID, no signature verification all add up to vote fraud.
The RNC has yet to figure this out. Until voter rolls are cleaned up, ID's are verified and elections go back to election day, the radicals will keep gaining power.
I might add, do away with all electronic voting. Paper ballots and tabulators.
Post by: Anthony on June 08, 2023, 12:43:24 PM
Mail in voting, month long voting, voter rolls that never get cleaned up, no ID, no signature verification all add up to vote fraud.
The RNC has yet to figure this out. Until voter rolls are cleaned up, ID's are verified and elections go back to election day, the radicals will keep gaining power.
I might add, do away with all electronic voting. Paper ballots and tabulators.
And why I no longer consider myself a Republican.
Post by: Little Joe on June 08, 2023, 12:48:55 PM
And why I no longer consider myself a Republican.I don't consider myself a Republican either. In fact, I registered NPA and thus can't vote in Republican primaries.
But I certainly vote Republican when the alternative is Democrat.
That especially goes for House or Senate where (almost) everyone votes the party line. I might consider a different flavor of President though, depending on the person.
Post by: Rush on June 08, 2023, 01:14:20 PM
I don't consider myself a Republican either. In fact, I registered NPA and thus can't vote in Republican primaries.
But I certainly vote Republican when the alternative is Democrat.
That especially goes for House or Senate where (almost) everyone votes the party line. I might consider a different flavor of President though, depending on the person.
There is one scenario in this election I might consider voting for the Democrat. But I have to research it more.
Post by: jb1842 on June 08, 2023, 01:32:37 PM
There is one scenario in this election I might consider voting for the Democrat. But I have to research it more.
RFK, Jr?
Post by: Anthony on June 08, 2023, 01:42:30 PM
RFK, Jr?
He's a man made climate change fanatic. Deal breaker for me.
Post by: jb1842 on June 08, 2023, 01:53:06 PM
He's a man made climate change fanatic. Deal breaker for me.
But he seems to be pretty solid pro 2nd Amendment. That's more important to me.
Post by: Anthony on June 08, 2023, 02:03:59 PM
But he seems to be pretty solid pro 2nd Amendment. That's more important to me.
Me too, but still....
Post by: Rush on June 08, 2023, 02:04:31 PM
RFK, Jr?
Yes. If it comes to RFKJr vs DeSantis I will have to do some serious investigating into both of them.
Post by: Lucifer on June 08, 2023, 02:05:22 PM
Post by: jb1842 on June 08, 2023, 02:10:19 PM
Me too, but still....
Yeah, but at this point I don't trust politicians on either side.
Post by: Rush on June 08, 2023, 02:12:06 PM
He's a man made climate change fanatic. Deal breaker for me.
I thought it would be for me too but I just finished listening to him with Jordan Peterson and he very specifically said he believes in free market solutions to energy and climate change NOT TOP DOWN CONTROL. He mentioned subsidies though which isn’t exactly free market but it’s better than mandates. He keeps talking about how you can’t force these things down people’s throats. He has strong ties with conservative environmentalists, meaning hunters, fishers, landowners who are invested in the environment but aren’t lefty communist wackos and I get the idea he is influenced by them.
However if he follows Biden’s oil policies that might be a deal breaker.
Post by: Rush on June 08, 2023, 02:13:01 PM
I'm all in for Chris Christie.
No green font? :)
Post by: Rush on June 08, 2023, 02:14:43 PM
Post by: Lucifer on June 08, 2023, 02:17:36 PM
No green font? :)
Nope. Chris Christie is my guy.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 08, 2023, 02:22:19 PM
Nope. Chris Christie is my guy.
I was going to ask the same question Rush asked. Christie's got a mixed history with Trump. Once allied, now a big critic. Curious about your reasoning.
Post by: Rush on June 08, 2023, 02:22:39 PM
Nope. Chris Christie is my guy.
You mean other than Trump?
Make no mistake if Trump is the nominee he gets my vote no matter who the Dem is.
Post by: Lucifer on June 08, 2023, 02:35:58 PM
Post by: Little Joe on June 08, 2023, 02:47:35 PM
No green font? :)They can't make green enough font for that.
Post by: Little Joe on June 08, 2023, 02:48:02 PM
You guys just don't see it. Chris Christie is going to sweep the primaries.We do have a joke thread you know.
Post by: Rush on June 08, 2023, 02:50:58 PM
You guys just don't see it. Chris Christie is going to sweep the primaries.
Nope. I don’t see that. ;D
Post by: Lucifer on June 08, 2023, 02:52:32 PM
We do have a joke thread you know.
No joke.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 08, 2023, 06:03:15 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 09, 2023, 12:04:23 AM
I'm all in for Chris Christie.
I really don't know the guy all that well, so I did a quick skim of his bio and watched parts of his campaign announcement. Found his amusing comments about "Trump voters" here:
https://youtu.be/Rp7n8dRL4Kg?t=2276 (https://youtu.be/Rp7n8dRL4Kg?t=2276)
After skimming the video I could see him beating up on Trump using Trump's own style.
Post by: Little Joe on June 09, 2023, 04:08:01 AM
Let’s go back to Election Day.I might prefer to see Election Weekend.
The vast majority of Americans have some time off during the weekend. Accommodations could be made for the rest. Very few working Americans have Tuesday off. I used to give my staff 2 hours pay to vote. They used a special code to clock out and the voting site was practically next door. Some came back after 5 minutes and said the line was too long and might take the whole 2 hours or more. They weren't even willing to sacrifice 15 minutes pay to vote. I even told them they could work late to make up for any lost time over 2 hours, but that was too much to ask. If voting is that unimportant to them, then fuck em. Why should I give 20 people two hours each if they aren't willing to go to the trouble.
Post by: Rush on June 09, 2023, 04:27:59 AM
I might prefer to see Election Weekend.
The vast majority of Americans have some time off during the weekend. Accommodations could be made for the rest. Very few working Americans have Tuesday off. I used to give my staff 2 hours pay to vote. They used a special code to clock out and the voting site was practically next door. Some came back after 5 minutes and said the line was too long and might take the whole 2 hours or more. They weren't even willing to sacrifice 15 minutes pay to vote. I even told them they could work late to make up for any lost time over 2 hours, but that was too much to ask. If voting is that unimportant to them, then fuck em. Why should I give 20 people two hours each if they aren't willing to go to the trouble.
Easy. Just pass a law requiring employers give the whole of Election Day off. It would be one of very few national laws I’d go along with. I mean the feds declare a national holiday like Memorial Day and the whole country takes off and it isn’t even mandatory. If you’re worried about wage workers, make it a paid day off.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on June 09, 2023, 04:47:40 AM
Easy. Just pass a law requiring employers give the whole of Election Day off. It would be one of very few national laws I’d go along with. I mean the feds declare a national holiday like Memorial Day and the whole country takes off and it isn’t even mandatory. If you’re worried about wage workers, make it a paid day off.
with pay?
and basically screw the self-employed...
what about jobs that CAN NOT BE DELAYED? e.g., farms, hospitals....
Post by: Little Joe on June 09, 2023, 05:01:25 AM
Easy. Just pass a law requiring employers give the whole of Election Day off. It would be one of very few national laws I’d go along with. I mean the feds declare a national holiday like Memorial Day and the whole country takes off and it isn’t even mandatory. If you’re worried about wage workers, make it a paid day off.As a former business owner, I HATE HATE HATE that idea.
Who do you propose pays for that paid day off?
Post by: Rush on June 09, 2023, 05:16:42 AM
with pay?
and basically screw the self-employed...
what about jobs that CAN NOT BE DELAYED? e.g., farms, hospitals....
Allow them to vote early or mail in, just like overseas military.
Post by: Rush on June 09, 2023, 05:18:41 AM
As a former business owner, I HATE HATE HATE that idea.
Who do you propose pays for that paid day off?
Make it a big tax credit or something. The goal is to eliminate excuses for not sewing up election integrity.
Post by: Little Joe on June 09, 2023, 06:10:09 AM
Make it a big tax credit or something. The goal is to eliminate excuses for not sewing up election integrity.If we made it "election weekend" we may get more volunteer poll monitors that can't volunteer now because they have day jobs.
I think people with real jobs are more likely not to be old liberal housewives. Not that I have a problem with old housewives, but that seems to be the majority of poll volunteers.
What is so sacred about Tuesday?
Post by: Rush on June 09, 2023, 06:15:02 AM
If we made it "election weekend" we may get more volunteer poll monitors that can't volunteer now because they have day jobs.
I think people with real jobs are more likely not to be old liberal housewives. Not that I have a problem with old housewives, but that seems to be the majority of poll volunteers.
What is so sacred about Tuesday?
Good question. I don’t know what’s special about Tuesday. That would be another solution. There are a lot of people who do work weekends though and arguably more working class and poor so that might be disenfranchisement unless you do the same: mandate they get time off to vote.
Post by: Little Joe on June 09, 2023, 07:05:19 AM
Good question. I don’t know what’s special about Tuesday. That would be another solution. There are a lot of people who do work weekends though and arguably more working class and poor so that might be disenfranchisement unless you do the same: mandate they get time off to vote.I think the number of people that work all day on both Saturday AND Sunday is not too significant. And the few that just cannot get off on those days can request a mail-in ballot. I know a couple of hotel maids that work both days, but they are usually off by 3 pm.
Two weekend days would be much easier on most people that one weekday.
Post by: Rush on June 09, 2023, 07:17:32 AM
I think the number of people that work all day on both Saturday AND Sunday is not too significant. And the few that just cannot get off on those days can request a mail-in ballot. I know a couple of hotel maids that work both days, but they are usually off by 3 pm.
Two weekend days would be much easier on most people that one weekday.
Restaurants, movie theaters, amusement parks, power plants, manufacturing plants, hospitals, caregivers, rail yard and train operators, zookeepers, airlines, gas stations, Walmart, police, all these people can work both weekend days. Most are not the high salaried office dweller types off on the weekend.
Post by: Little Joe on June 09, 2023, 08:21:49 AM
Restaurants, movie theaters, amusement parks, power plants, manufacturing plants, hospitals, caregivers, rail yard and train operators, zookeepers, airlines, gas stations, Walmart, police, all these people can work both weekend days. Most are not the high salaried office dweller types off on the weekend.Well if it's going to be that big of a hardship on so many people, then I change my vote back ELECTION DAY.
Or any other solution that does not require employers to pay for people not working, and doesn't need tax money.
Perhaps Election WEEK.
But if anyone has to sacrifice to vote, it should be the voter.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 09, 2023, 08:23:32 AM
The day doesn’t matter.
1) Keep all precincts under 1,000 people. Vote in person. Easily accommodated quickly.
2) Require ID that matches voter rolls, repair voter rolls based on ID. PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP!!!
3) No electronic machines. Shut down the massive vote counting centers (Dem cheating facilities) … when did these become a thing, anyway? We first saw them in security footage and cell phone video from poll workers in 2020. The ease of shipping in “ballots” as needed to these centers is egregiously criminal.
4) Report results ON ELECTION NIGHT ONLY. No continued counting. Size of precincts makes this completely possible AS WAS DONE FOR MOST OF OUR COUNTRY’S HISTORY.
5) Go back to justifying mail-in ONLY with proof of need. No ballots mailed to illegals, as is done now in my state. A ballot is mailed to every drivers license address, and illegals have drivers licenses.
Anything, less than this won’t fix it. As we now stand, OUR VOTES ARE NULLIFIED BY PAST AND FUTURE CHEATING.
Post by: Little Joe on June 09, 2023, 08:29:04 AM
Blah blah blah!!!Becky, I don't always agree with you (but I do most of the time)
The day doesn’t matter.
1) Keep all precincts under 1,000 people. Vote in person. Easily accommodated quickly.
2) Require ID that matches voter rolls, repair voter rolls based on ID. PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP!!!
3) No electronic machines. Shut down the massive vote counting centers (Dem cheating facilities) … when did these become a thing, anyway? We first saw them in security footage and cell phone video from poll workers in 2020. The ease of shipping in “ballots” as needed to these centers is egregiously criminal.
4) Report results ON ELECTION NIGHT ONLY. No continued counting. Size of precincts makes this completely possible AS WAS DONE FOR MOST OF OUR COUNTRY’S HISTORY.
5) Go back to justifying mail-in ONLY with proof of need. No ballots mailed to illegals, as is done now in my state. A ballot is mailed to every drivers license address, and illegals have drivers licenses.
Anything, less than this won’t fix it. As we now stand, OUR VOTES ARE NULLIFIED BY PAST AND FUTURE CHEATING.
And I REALLY agree with all of this.
As long as employers don't have to pay people to not work.
Post by: Rush on June 09, 2023, 08:41:21 AM
Post by: Little Joe on June 09, 2023, 09:00:57 AM
Becky settled it. And I’ll concede the point about paid time off. If someone can’t afford to lose one day’s worth of wages then they’re too fiscally irresponsible to be voting anyway. So I’ll give that one to you Joe.Thank you. But it's not even one DAY's wages. It is usually 1 or 2 hours and I used to vote on my lunch hour while eating a sandwich that I brought from home.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 09, 2023, 09:11:04 AM
Thank you. But it's not even one DAY's wages. It is usually 1 or 2 hours and I used to vote on my lunch hour while eating a sandwich that I brought from home.Peanut butter and jelly stained ballots probably don't get counted.
Post by: Little Joe on June 09, 2023, 09:20:27 AM
Peanut butter and jelly stained ballots probably don't get counted.Damn. That’s why my candidates lost so often.
But in my case it was spicy pimento cheese and mustard (with ham and rye).
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 09, 2023, 09:26:24 AM
Damn. That’s why my candidates lost so often.
But in my case it was spicy pimento cheese and mustard (with ham and rye).
Hopefully you have better taste in candidates than sandwiches. ;)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 09, 2023, 09:41:15 AM
What is so sacred about Tuesday?
It comes after Monday 8)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 09, 2023, 10:01:06 AM
Post by: Rush on June 09, 2023, 10:03:21 AM
Anyone think Don Jr. will ever run. If he did, would you vote for him?
He might and I don’t know. I’d have to look at him closely. From what I know right now I’d consider it. Would depend on who else is running too of course.
Post by: Number7 on June 09, 2023, 10:51:04 AM
Still is a state holiday in ten states.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 09, 2023, 11:05:38 AM
What is so sacred about Tuesday?
I found it explained in this Encyclopedia Britannica article:
https://www.britannica.com/story/why-are-us-elections-held-on-tuesdays (https://www.britannica.com/story/why-are-us-elections-held-on-tuesdays)
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on June 11, 2023, 07:14:04 PM
Post by: Rush on June 12, 2023, 02:39:51 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 12, 2023, 04:47:45 AM
Post by: Little Joe on June 12, 2023, 05:09:10 AM
The more they go after him the more likely I am to vote for him.How much MORE likely could you be regardless of what the press and the DOJ do?
Unless something changes, or Trump does something incredibly stupid, like claiming to have dirt on the Clintons, it looks like he will probably get the nomination.
I heard that the RNC is pushing for Rs to use mail-in voting to vote early (and often?). Hopefully they did learn something from the DNC playbook.
May the best cheater win!
Post by: Rush on June 12, 2023, 05:12:57 AM
How much MORE likely could you be regardless of what the press and the DOJ do?
Well, I WAS gonna vote for RFKJr in the Dem primary. Now I might stick to R and Trump in the primary just to add my number to the already high one in Texas.
Post by: Little Joe on June 12, 2023, 05:17:36 AM
Well, I WAS gonna vote for RFKJr in the Dem primary. Now I might stick to R and Trump in the primary just to add my number to the already high one in Texas.Personally, I think RJK Jr. getting the D nomination is the Dem's best chance of keeping Trump out of the White House. A vote for him is a vote against Trump. I'm still trying to figure out how you would justify that. But we still have a long time, politically speaking, before the first primaries.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 12, 2023, 06:28:24 AM
https://twitter.com/magaincwarroom/status/1667700450219511811
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 12, 2023, 06:51:01 AM
https://gab.com/FRANKQUOTES/posts/110530209077334060
Post by: Rush on June 12, 2023, 07:17:34 AM
And this.
https://gab.com/FRANKQUOTES/posts/110530209077334060
That led me to this:
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 12, 2023, 08:06:29 AM
https://twitter.com/karilake/status/1667741784145797124
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 13, 2023, 08:02:25 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2023, 08:07:52 AM
RDS is still polling near the same as when he announced.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2023, 11:42:35 AM
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fworld%2Fnorth-america%2Fi-was-wrong-trump-grows-stronger-can-beat-biden-and-topple-us-democracy-pollster-fears-20230613-p5dg11.html
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London: Leading US pollster Frank Luntz says Donald Trump can re-win the presidency and that if that happens, US democracy could collapse.
Speaking to this masthead in London, where he was a guest speaker at the Centre for Policy Studies’ Margaret Thatcher conference, Luntz said he was wrong to declare in 2021 that Trump would never again be president.
“I now have to acknowledge that it is a distinct possibility that Donald Trump could be elected president – I did not believe that one year ago,” he said.
“I did not believe that the search of Mar-a-Lago would be handled so badly, I did not believe that the indictment of him in New York would be handled so badly.
“I did not believe that his opponents would be so inept as to actually strengthen him and the combination of all of those makes him now viable, not just in the Republican primary but in the general election.”
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Luntz said US democracy could collapse if Trump was reinstated by the American people.
“It’s now conceivable that in 2024 the country comes apart,” he said. “We have a 15 per cent likelihood of that destroying American democracy depending on what happens.”
“NATO is in jeopardy, clearly. Ukraine will no longer receive American support. Our legal system will be in jeopardy – I don’t want to contemplate it.”
He denied he was exaggerating and said comparisons to the United States surviving civil war were irrelevant in modern times.
“Everything that I would have [previously] said to you was impossible is actually happening,” Luntz said.
Post by: Rush on June 14, 2023, 12:27:11 PM
Kevin's room mate speaks
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fworld%2Fnorth-america%2Fi-was-wrong-trump-grows-stronger-can-beat-biden-and-topple-us-democracy-pollster-fears-20230613-p5dg11.html
I'm sick of hearing MAGA will destroy U.S. "democracy". What a load of shit.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2023, 12:40:05 PM
I'm sick of hearing MAGA will destroy U.S. "democracy". What a load of shit.
It will destroy their version of democracy, which is better known as communism.
The communist democrats love changing word meanings to fit a narrative.
Post by: Little Joe on June 14, 2023, 12:47:03 PM
It will destroy their version of democracy,That was almost verbatim what I was going to post.
But there will be a lot of collateral damage.
Post by: Anthony on June 14, 2023, 01:25:12 PM
It will destroy their version of democracy, which is better known as communism.
The communist democrats love changing word meanings to fit a narrative.
Since they virtually own the media, they're getting away with it.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2023, 01:28:14 PM
- John Adams
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 14, 2023, 01:53:13 PM
Kevin's room mate speaksHe’s literally saying the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS (because a SECOND epic Trump victory might not be overcome with cheating) don’t know what is best for themselves and their country and don’t know how to recognize threats to democracy. Well, fuck that. We know.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.smh.com.au%2Fworld%2Fnorth-america%2Fi-was-wrong-trump-grows-stronger-can-beat-biden-and-topple-us-democracy-pollster-fears-20230613-p5dg11.html
This statement by Luntz probably will give President Trump MORE voters. It’s either an incredible display of stupidity, or Luntz is a white hat and gaining Trump voters is part of the plan.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2023, 01:55:16 PM
He’s literally saying the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF AMERICANS (because a SECOND epic Trump victory might not be overcome with cheating) don’t know what is best for themselves and their country and don’t know how to recognize threats to democracy. Well, fuck that. We know.
This statement by Luntz probably will give President Trump MORE voters. It’s either an incredible display of stupidity, or Luntz is a white hat and gaining Trump voters is part of the plan.
Luntz (Kevin McCarthy's room mate) is a liberal shill and a devote Trump hater. The stupidity is real.
Post by: Number7 on June 14, 2023, 04:38:22 PM
Post by: Rush on June 14, 2023, 05:26:06 PM
If you don’t want to listen to the whole thing it starts about 10 minutes in but really the whole thing is worth it.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2023, 05:52:13 PM
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As expected, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is transferring the money he raised while running for reelection into a superpac to support his presidential ambitions. Florida donors to his reelection might not be too happy with this decision, but that’s what professional Republicans do – details below.
As one person put it, “DeSantis used Florida like an Uber” to achieve his real ambitions. As we noted last year, this plan was increasingly obvious {GO DEEP} and in hindsight very disappointing. Every single move happened exactly as we predicted. Many Floridians I have talked to feel suckered by the duplicity.
Additionally, DeSantis is heading to the exclusive Yale Club in New York this month {link} to meet with Wall Street donors, multinational corporate executives, and at least one mega donor with links to George Soros organization; go figure.
WASHINGTON – The Florida political committee once controlled by Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis transferred $82.5 million last month to a super PAC supporting his presidential campaign, according to information posted to the committee’s website.
The shift of the funds has been anticipated ever since DeSantis entered the race with tens of millions of dollars left over from his 2022 reelection bid. However, the move nevertheless makes official an unprecedented effort by DeSantis allies to test the limits of campaign finance laws to benefit a presidential contender.
The Campaign Legal Center, a watchdog group, has already filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commision, flagging the expected transfer as potentially illegal. The organization alleges that DeSantis had unlawfully directed the money into a super PAC, Never Back Down, which is supposed to operate independently of candidates.
It’s unclear whether the FEC can – or will – step in. A similar case arose during the 2020 election, concerning the management of funds by GOP Rep. Byron Donalds. The FEC took no enforcement action in that case.
DeSantis shattered fundraising records for a non-self-funded gubernatorial candidate during his reelection, raising more than $190 million between his committee and campaign in the two years leading up to the 2022 midterms. But DeSantis needed far less than that to defeat Democrat Charlie Crist and entered 2023 with tens of millions left over. He added to that amount in the months between his reelection and announcing his campaign for president. (more)
Here are the details on Ron’s true allegiances – the source of much of the campaign cash he has been assembling in his effort to defeat Donald Trump on their behalf.
NEW YORK – Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is coming to New York for a private presidential campaign fundraiser that’s set to be hosted by at least four Wall Street executives, including one with past ties to a firm backed by liberal billionaire George Soros, a frequent target of DeSantis and other Republicans.
The event is scheduled to take place June 29 at the swanky Yale Club, according to a copy of an invitation seen by CNBC. It will be one of DeSantis’ first fundraisers in the Big Apple since he officially launched his campaign for president last month.
The hosts listed on the DeSantis invitation include Paul Ardire, a partner at GoldenTree Asset Management, along with Christian Michalik, Rob Michalik and Corwynne Carruthers, who are all leaders at Kinderhook Industries, a private equity firm with at least $5 billion in assets under management, according to data from PitchBook. GoldenTree has at least $50 billion in assets under management, PitchBook says.
[…] According to the invitation, in order to attend the DeSantis fundraiser, a co-host must raise $50,000 and attendees to the lunch must contribute $6,600, the maximum amount a donor can give that can then be split evenly between the primary campaign account and the general election account. (read more)
DeSantis is not going to live this down in Florida. Once his failed campaign comes to an end, there is not going to be any forgiveness for his fraud.
Post by: Lucifer on June 14, 2023, 05:52:56 PM
Post by: Number7 on June 14, 2023, 07:13:49 PM
Post by: Lucifer on June 17, 2023, 09:14:08 AM
Post by: Lucifer on June 22, 2023, 05:44:30 AM
And then there is this: https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/06/21/ron-desantis-hosts-d-c-fundraiser-at-dominions-lawyers-office/
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Would-be GOP nominee Ron DeSantis is hosting a fundraiser at the offices of Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck, one of the top D.C. lobbying firms who served as lawyers for Dominion Voting Systems, and count amongst their top directors Rep. Nancy Pelosi’s former chief of staff. The event will take place on June 23rd, in Suite 1200 at 1155 F Street NW – otherwise known as the offices of Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck, which also famously dropped the Republican National Committee as a client in a lawsuit against the Democrat Party’s Jan 6 Committee.
Post by: Jim Logajan on June 22, 2023, 06:50:45 AM
RDS campaign continues to flounder. His campaign managers are trying to distance themselves from the establishment by using smoke and mirrors.
And then there is this: https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/06/21/ron-desantis-hosts-d-c-fundraiser-at-dominions-lawyers-office/
So, has Florida become a socialist dictatorship under RDS? Policy debates anyone?
Meanwhile, one of the co-founders of the Lincoln Project, whose sole existence was to attack Trump and the Republicans who supported him every chance it could, said the following:
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Former GOP strategist turned Lincoln Project co-founder Steve Schmidt ripped into Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) in a new episode of his political podcast, "The Warning."From https://www.rawstory.com/ron-desantis-2660738737/ (https://www.rawstory.com/ron-desantis-2660738737/)
"There he is," said Schmidt, showing an image of DeSantis during his interview with Fox News in which he claimed he would "smash" leftism in the United States as president. "Governor Ron DeSantis. The Mussolini of Tallahassee, using a U.S. Navy war vessel as a visual prop just days after his disastrous launch, which spawned the fantastic hashtag, "#DeSaster."
"Who is it that he wants to smash?" said Schmidt. "Is he going to arrest Bernie Sanders? Is he going to send AOC to a rehabilitation and re-education camp?"
This moment, for Schmidt, encapsulated how DeSantis is unfit for office — and how his presidential campaign, hyped by numerous GOP donors looking for an alternative to Trump, will crash and burn.
"Ron DeSantis' campaign is going to be epic," said Schmidt. "As in, an epic debacle for the ages. He will raise more money against lower vote results than any presidential candidate in American history. He's going to make Texas Senator Phil Gramm look like Bill Clinton, when it comes to politics, by the time this is done."
"Let me just say this about Ron DeSantis, and his wanting to smash and break and hurt," he continued. "The job of the American president is to temporarily lead the American people, and to make the Union more perfect. Ron DeSantis doesn't understand that. He's as unfit at a moral level, at a character level, as any person has ever been, including Donald Trump, running for this office."
"He will fail," said Schmidt.
Post by: Lucifer on June 22, 2023, 07:13:31 AM
So, has Florida become a socialist dictatorship under RDS? Policy debates anyone?
Meanwhile, one of the co-founders of the Lincoln Project, whose sole existence was to attack Trump and the Republicans who supported him every chance it could, said the following:
From https://www.rawstory.com/ron-desantis-2660738737/ (https://www.rawstory.com/ron-desantis-2660738737/)
Not sure what quoting "Lincoln Project" has to do with anything as they are largely considered a quack operation with many dubious members.
Back to the subject at hand. RDS campaign is floundering and not gaining traction. The message is "I'm not Trump" which is not resonating with anyone. His campaign events are awful.
His campaign is resembling Jeb!'s failed 2016 venture. Of course, it's easy to see why.
Post by: Little Joe on June 22, 2023, 01:03:40 PM
The message is "I'm not Trump" which is not resonating with anyone.It worked for FJB. It's actually a very strong message.
Post by: Lucifer on June 22, 2023, 02:28:04 PM
It worked for FJB. It's actually a very strong message.
Not really.
And FJB did not get 81 million votes. He also didn't win legitimately.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 22, 2023, 02:31:23 PM
It worked for FJB. It's actually a very strong message.You know it didn’t work. They hoped it would, so they’d have to cheat less obviously, but Trump overperformed, so their cheat was there for all the world to see. I won’t say Trump won California, but he did win the election in a landslide. Those six key states and precincts were locked and loaded to cheat whatever numbers were needed. Those numbers were big, so the cheat was clumsy, and that’s why it showed.
If not being Trump is so appealing, how do you explain his rising poll numbers with each indictment? The unrelenting attack on him for over six years now clearly shows a suspiciously monolithic resistance to anyone pointing out that our own government agencies are obviously corrupt and completely uninterested in doing the people’s work.
Finally, 81 million votes my ass.
Post by: Lucifer on June 22, 2023, 03:39:27 PM
You know it didn’t work. They hoped it would, so they’d have to cheat less obviously, but Trump overperformed, so their cheat was there for all the world to see. I won’t say Trump won California, but he did win the election in a landslide. Those six key states and precincts were locked and loaded to cheat whatever numbers were needed. Those numbers were big, so the cheat was clumsy, and that’s why it showed.
If not being Trump is so appealing, how do you explain his rising poll numbers with each indictment? The unrelenting attack on him for over six years now clearly shows a suspiciously monolithic resistance to anyone pointing out that our own government agencies are obviously corrupt and completely uninterested in doing the people’s work.
Finally, 81 million votes my ass.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 23, 2023, 06:09:46 AM
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on June 23, 2023, 01:56:08 PM
Not really.
And FJB did not get 81 million votes. He also didn't win legitimately.
Of course he did! Didn't you see the massive turnout at his rallies during the campaign?
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 26, 2023, 06:04:31 AM
Being booed = “resonating.”
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/chris-christie-undeterred-by-boos-says-his-anti-trump-message-is-resonating/
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on June 26, 2023, 10:11:55 AM
https://youtu.be/MPDORsMe00k
Post by: nddons on June 26, 2023, 11:47:34 AM
Hilarious!!!!Ok, that’s funny right there.
https://youtu.be/MPDORsMe00k
Post by: Rush on June 29, 2023, 06:21:00 AM
Link to two different platforms. Maybe you don't want to click and support YouTube. Maybe you want to watch it here without going to rumble.
https://rumble.com/v2wya13-ron-desantis-is-insane-vetoes-near-unanimously-supported-hb605.html
Post by: Lucifer on July 01, 2023, 05:15:25 PM
-Don Surber
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The other day I criticized Kurt Schlichter for being a new Never Trumper because he tweeted, “Trump can’t win because 53% of Americans will never vote for him and he will lose the key states he needs to win the electoral college.”
54% did not vote for him in 2016. He won.
Schlichter also wrote, “Trump presents problems and we need to face them. We owe Trump nothing. He’s a politician.”
We owe Trump plenty. He lost billions serving as president, both in actual losses and money he could have made had he stayed on the porch.
A reader pointed out that Schlichter said he would vote for President Trump in the general election — after trying to kneecap him in the primaries. That will be too late because the damage will have been done. We must unite behind The Donald because if they can crush him, they will crush us all.
For all Schlichter’s schooling (he’s a lawyer) and all his experience (he’s a retired infantry officer) he has not learned the lesson of 2020, which is that our constitutional republic ended with the end of the Trump presidency on January 20, 2021. Marxists won by any means necessary. The electoral process was demolished by crooked ballot harvesting, late-night switcheroos and a judiciary that refused to look at evidence and stop the steal.
President Trump was our last hope and now is our only hope of restoring a republic that protects individuals from the ravages of a government so powerful and ubiquitous that the communists in Red China now envy our totalitarianism. And it will get worse.
The J6 show trials for insurrection — daring to challenge the results of a fixed election — are but one example.
Gateway Pundit reported, “A 69-Year-Old Grandma with Cancer Given More Prison Time for Walking Inside the U.S. Capitol than Hunter Biden for Sharing Classified Documents with Foreign Regimes and Multi-Million Dollar Bribery Schemes.”
The judge sentenced her to 60 days for trespassing in a public building — after the Capitol Police opened the doors for her.
Others received sentences of years. People who were not even in Washington on that day were charged and convicted.
We do not have a two-tiered criminal justice system because we do not have a criminal justice system because Department of Justice seeks vengeance, not justice. We have given the federal government great powers that exceed its constitutional authority.
The FBI lied and spied on Donald Trump at the behest of Barack Hussein Obama. Based on the FBI lies, judges issued warrants to allow the spying on a political opponent. Democrats learned from Nixon and Watergate. When it comes to spying on a political opponent don’t rely on bumbling amateurs who will get caught. Trust only the pros.
Parents who rebel against public school indoctrination are targets of the Biden vengeance squad. Merrick Garland — bitter over the refusal of Republicans to confirm his nomination as a Supreme Court — targeted Moms for Liberty for destruction because he wants to thwart any attempt by suburban moms to challenge federal government decrees to promote anti- white and anti-straight curriculums.
The media supports this.
NPR said, “More than two years into a conservative push against teaching about Black history, literature and gender identity in public schools, the Southern Poverty Law Center has concluded that a dozen so-called ‘parental rights’ groups behind the movement are extremist.
“The civil rights organization particularly focuses on the largest of these, the nonprofit Moms for Liberty, in its annual Year in Hate & Extremism report for 2022, saying that it advances an anti-student inclusion agenda.
“The SPLC has put it and similar organizations on its list of anti-government extremist entities, drawing comparisons between them and parent groups that attempted to re-segregate public schools during the civil rights movement.”
The SPLC is a bigoted group of liberals whose purpose is to demonize effective conservative groups. Citing them shows NPR no longer is subtle in its bias.
I remember when hippies were anti-government. They are in control. They are doing everything they falsely accused Nixon of doing 50 years ago. I voted for McGovern. Older and wise, I regret that vote because Nixon truly was the one. He was done in by Mark Felt of the FBI who was bitter at being passed over to succeed J. Edgar Hoover, who was the Fauci of law enforcement.
Now Trump is the target.
Garland appointed as Trump’s prosecutor Jack Smith, who lives in the Netherlands.
Newsweek explained, “Newly appointed Special Counsel Jack Smith is married to a documentary filmmaker who worked on a 2020 film about former first lady Michelle Obama and donated to President Joe Biden's 2020 campaign.”
The media hailed this Jack S as a tough prosecutor. He’s a courtroom assassin.
Monica Showalter explained, “This from the guy who led a prosecution that was so flawed against Republican Gov. Bob McDonnell that the Supreme Court, on an 8-0 vote, threw it out, and the Department of Justice declined to retry him? If there were something there, they should have been able to retry him, but there were significant problems with the whole costly mess, which in any case, got them what they wanted: the ruin of McDonnell's political career, even though he was guilty of nothing. That's a political prosecution.”
Republicans don’t play hardball. They don’t even play softball.
The Jack S is a triple crown player.
Showalter said, “Worse still, Smith was the actual instigator to the IRS's attack dogs, led by the infamous Lois Lerner, who fired the starting pistol for the IRS's persecution of Tea Party groups in 2012, delaying their applications for nonprofit status, subjecting them to bizarre searches and seizures, an admitted abuse of power, which they later claimed to have apologized for, which was easy to do because the political aim of the delays had been accomplished: swinging the 2012 election to Obama. Smith gave the go-ahead, undoubtedly doing the bidding of his boss at the time, one Barack Obama, whose wife Smith's wife made an adoring documentary about.”
She wrote that last November.
Where was the Republican outrage? In fact, where are those January 6 tapes Joe Blow McCarthy promised? Where are the expulsions of Schiff and the liars and spies in the House who pushed RussiaGate?
Trump supporters — mocked by deserters as Only Trumpers — are loyal because there is no alternative. Without him, we will be caught in the next wave of imprisonment.
Politico said, “he is also the politician about whom two things can be said:
“One, his personal and public life makes a mockery of the Christian ideals of evangelical voters.
“And, two, he is the person who has delivered more policy victories for these same voters than any other president.”
Who the heck is some writer in Sodomton DC to determine what evangelicalism’s values are? Trump delivered. Abortion is no longer a right; states will determine if it is legal.
But the publication reflects the alternate reality DC Republicans live in. Consider this missive from Newsmax:
“Former Texas congressman Will Hurd, a onetime CIA officer and fierce critic of Donald Trump, announced on Thursday that he's running for president, hoping to build momentum as a more moderate alternative to the Republican primary field's early front-runner.”
CIA. He’s Egg McMuffin Jr. Don’t worry, conservatives. The intelligence community will determine what you stand for.
Opposing Trump is signing one’s death warrant. The Mickey Mouse but deadly indictments made that clear. The only way to end the madness is to re-elect President Trump. DeSantis and Vivek cannot show the world that we mean business. Need I have to quote Martin Niemöller to get the point across?
OK. I will.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Americans had a choice in 2016.
We have none next year. It is Trump or else. I like DeSantis and wish him well, but after this last indictment, I realize there is but one way to win our nation back from our own federal government.
https://donsurber.substack.com/p/the-lesson-of-2020
Post by: Number7 on July 01, 2023, 05:36:58 PM
I wouldn’t trust mikey to report on whether it is currently raining outside his window. That is how broken his mind has become living inside the psychotic shithouse of liberalism.
Post by: Anthony on July 02, 2023, 01:10:29 AM
Post by: Lucifer on July 03, 2023, 06:37:32 AM