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Title: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Lucifer on January 27, 2022, 08:33:49 AM
"Poor poor pitiful me"

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/27/13/53427829-10446793-Hippchen_s_right_seat_went_to_his_college_roommate_Chris_Sembros-m-2_1643289971399.jpg)

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'I was trying to figure how I could drop 80 pounds in six months, which, I mean, it's possible, but it's not the most healthy thing in the world to do,' Hippchen said.

  But being morbidly obese is healthy?????

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-10446793/Meet-man-won-trip-space-gave-friend.html
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Username on January 27, 2022, 08:56:28 AM
Launch is not so good, but once he's in orbit, he's weightless!
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Mr Pou on January 27, 2022, 08:57:25 AM
This is cruel probably, but this man is beyond hopeless. A once in a lifetime chance to ride into space and he can't give up his bacon double cheeseburgers? What the actual fuck?
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 27, 2022, 09:12:06 AM
Well he is right, rapid weight loss isn’t healthy. It can cause gallstones, gout, unstable blood sugar, and consequences of whatever method you use to lose weight such as nutritional deficits, side effects of drugs and supplements, dehydration, and stressed immune system.

So he’s not wrong to not try to lose 80 pounds real fast. Where he is wrong is letting himself get that fat in the first place.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Anthony on January 27, 2022, 09:15:06 AM
I know obese, chain smokers whom are only afraid of Covid and the "global pandemic", NOT their lifestyle.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Mr Pou on January 27, 2022, 09:18:48 AM
I know obese, chain smokers whom are only afraid of Covid and the "global pandemic", NOT their lifestyle.

They are right to be fearful, from what I see the largest percentage of covid deaths are the obese and out of shape. But the same can be said for flu deaths and any number of other ailments. 

I work out and stay healthy because I want to do things when I retire, not sit on the porch rocker.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Anthony on January 27, 2022, 09:20:37 AM
They are right to be fearful, from what I see the largest percentage of covid deaths are the obese and out of shape. But the same can be said for flu deaths and any number of other ailments. 

I work out and stay healthy because I want to do things when I retire, not sit on the porch rocker.

I agree with you, but they won't acknowledge THEY are the cause of their own risk.  They blame the maskless and unvaxxed
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Mr Pou on January 27, 2022, 09:23:09 AM
I agree with you, but they won't acknowledge THEY are the cause of their own risk.  They blame the maskless and unvaxxed

Which all boils down to lack of responsibility.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Lucifer on January 27, 2022, 09:43:21 AM
Corn Syrup being used in almost all processed foods, refined white sugar, bleached flour has added to our obesity epidemic.

IF the fedgov was really concerned with people's health, this is the start.  However they champion obesity and unhealthy living.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: nddons on January 27, 2022, 09:45:21 AM
The Food Pyramid was a fraud. It should be upside down.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 27, 2022, 09:46:29 AM
Corn Syrup being used in almost all processed foods, refined white sugar, bleached flour has added to our obesity epidemic.

IF the fedgov was really concerned with people's health, this is the start.  However they champion obesity and unhealthy living.

THIS^^^^^
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Lucifer on January 27, 2022, 09:47:47 AM
The Food Pyramid was a fraud. It should be upside down.

  Why are we allowing fedgov to tell us what to eat?   I keep looking over the constitution and I can't find that clause.

  And yes, I agree.  The food pyramid is brought to you by the same lunatics who handled covid.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Mr Pou on January 27, 2022, 09:54:57 AM
The Food Pyramid was a fraud. It should be upside down.

The food pyramid was terrible, 6-10 servings of rice/pasta/grains a day is a sure path to diabetes.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Mr Pou on January 27, 2022, 09:57:09 AM
  Why are we allowing fedgov to tell us what to eat? 

Even more incredulous, why did people believe it and eat that way? Oh wait, the same people who now follow the govt blindly...
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Lucifer on January 27, 2022, 10:02:38 AM
Even more incredulous, why did people believe it and eat that way? Oh wait, the same people who now follow the govt blindly...

  Remember Big Mike's school lunch program?    ::)   :o
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 27, 2022, 11:04:20 AM
Incredibly, there are still people who deny that tons of carbs leads to diabetes. There was a debate about it on the PoA board in Medical Matters. Somebody was saying you can’t control blood sugar by cutting carbs for type 2 diabetes. They might have been confusing type 1 and type 2.  Type 1 you need insulin, period. Type 2, unless you let it progress too far, you can totally manage by cutting out carbs.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 27, 2022, 12:18:58 PM
Incredibly, there are still people who deny that tons of carbs leads to diabetes. There was a debate about it on the PoA board in Medical Matters. Somebody was saying you can’t control blood sugar by cutting carbs for type 2 diabetes. They might have been confusing type 1 and type 2.  Type 1 you need insulin, period. Type 2, unless you let it progress too far, you can totally manage by cutting out carbs.
The PCP I had ten years ago would catch me with blood sugar up a little, like 120 or so. He would tell me I was pre-diabetic and make me keep a log for two weeks. Always backed off the carbs, which also dropped the weight and the blood sugar.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 27, 2022, 01:33:51 PM
The PCP I had ten years ago would catch me with blood sugar up a little, like 120 or so. He would tell me I was pre-diabetic and make me keep a log for two weeks. Always backed off the carbs, which also dropped the weight and the blood sugar.

Yep, it’s totally obvious. All anybody has to do is stick a crowbar in their wallet and buy a finger prick test kit and a bunch of strips and test yourself after a pile of white rice vs a pile of bacon. Scientific proof that carbs spike your blood sugar.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Mr Pou on January 27, 2022, 02:18:37 PM
Totally my opinion, but a balanced meal of carbs, proteins, and fats is the way to go.
Title: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 28, 2022, 08:09:13 PM
Incredibly, there are still people who deny that tons of carbs leads to diabetes.
Appears those people are correct.

See https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/low-medium-and-highglycaemic-index-carbohydrates-and-risk-of-type-2-diabetes-in-men/EED4F576AD45BAE7CFC4CC1F5AD65CBC

Now people who eat a lot of carbohydrates often eat a lot of total calories. Sugar is very reinforcing. More calories makes you heavy which is related to type II DM.

But it likely does not really matter where the calories come from. People don’t like to hear this. But if you want to lose weight, you have to eat fewer calories and exercise more, which burns them off.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 28, 2022, 08:53:43 PM
Appears those people are correct.

See https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/low-medium-and-highglycaemic-index-carbohydrates-and-risk-of-type-2-diabetes-in-men/EED4F576AD45BAE7CFC4CC1F5AD65CBC

Now people who eat a lot of carbohydrates often eat a lot of total calories. Sugar is very reinforcing. More calories makes you heavy which is related to type II DM.

But it likely does not really matter where the calories come from. People don’t like to hear this. But if you want to lose weight, you have to eat fewer calories and exercise more, which burns them off.

Actually you need a genetic predisposition to diabetes type 2. Bloodsugar101 puts it like this “no, you did not eat your way into diabetes”. Here is the article:

https://www.bloodsugar101.com/the-real-causes-of-type-2-diabetes

The study you quote doesn’t consider virtually no carb eating. IOW being in ketosis. If you are predisposed to type 2 then strictly limiting carbs certainly does treat it.

I grant that I should have said eating a lot of carbs leads to diabetes in those genetically predisposed. Agree about total calories but limiting carbs is partly about limiting total calories because small amounts of protein and fat as long as you don’t sweeten them kill the appetite.
Title: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 28, 2022, 09:02:48 PM
The study you quote doesn’t consider virtually no carb eating. IOW being in ketosis. If you are predisposed to type 2 then strictly limiting carbs certainly does treat it.

I grant that I should have said eating a lot of carbs leads to diabetes in those genetically predisposed. Agree about total calories but limiting carbs is partly about limiting total calories because small amounts of protein and fat as long as you don’t sweeten them kill the appetite.

Probably best to stick to the peer-reviewed literature on this sort of question. Lots of junk information out there on diets.

I don’t know exactly what you mean by “virtual no carb eating”. Is the mono-unsaturated diet in the following an example?

https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/32/2/215/27520/One-Year-Comparison-of-a-High-Monounsaturated-Fat

I don’t think you eat your way into DM type 2. I think you eat your way into being obese, which predisposes to DM type 2 and that there is a genetic component. Most biological phenomena are a mixture of nature and nurture.

It is a good point that the success of most diets depends on how well they control people’s appetites so they can control total calories. My sense is that this is highly idiosyncratic.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 28, 2022, 09:23:47 PM
There was another metabolic fact we were taught - “fat burns in the flame of carbohydrate”. IOW, your body needs 3 carbon units and can’t get them strictly from fats. It will tear down protein in muscle in order to get those to burn fats.

This is why very obese people who go on extremely low carb diets can end up damaging their hearts. They lose a ton of weight but the body burns up a ton of muscle to do it. Generally 2 pounds per week is considered maximum safe weight loss.

Somewhat of an aside for this thread, but I always found this interesting.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: bflynn on January 29, 2022, 06:24:41 AM
Life lesson:  Have fat friends.

There was another metabolic fact we were taught - “fat burns in the flame of carbohydrate”. IOW, your body needs 3 carbon units and can’t get them strictly from fats. It will tear down protein in muscle in order to get those to burn fats.


A lack of carbs does not automatically scavenge muscle.  It also requires starvation, a lack of calories, to do that. 

A simple lack of carbs will put the body into ketosis, which is the natural process by which your body converts fats into needed nutrients.  Our bodies are built to do that every winter when carbs become scarce.  Ketosis is how the body sheds fat no matter what process invokes it.

Without enough calories, you get ketoacidosis, which is what you're talking about.  This is very different with different hormones involved and only happens when you have starvation, regardless of the number of carbs.

Low carb diets use a combination of high calories and low carbs to convert fat to energy without entering ketoacidosis, thus preserving muscle.  Big bonus to them, you tend to have a lot of energy, although there isn't much endurance because there's no reserve.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 29, 2022, 06:56:26 AM
Probably best to stick to the peer-reviewed literature on this sort of question. Lots of junk information out there on diets.

Bloodsugar101 is hardly “junk” information. She references the studies backing what she says.

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I don’t know exactly what you mean by “virtual no carb eating”. Is the mono-unsaturated diet in the following an example?

https://diabetesjournals.org/care/article/32/2/215/27520/One-Year-Comparison-of-a-High-Monounsaturated-Fat

No, not at all. What was their saturated fat intake? What was the omega3/omega6 ratio? They began with the premise that MUFAs are healthier than the other fats but they could have cherry picked their studies, although I grant anyone can do this, including bloodsugar101. It seems the equivalent benefit in results in that study could just be due to reduction in total calories in both groups. There is a strong pro-inflammatory component to the diabetes/cardiovascular disease complex and we need the right balance of all the fats for inflammation minimization. What if a study group eating high saturated fats had done much better than both the other two groups?

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I don’t think you eat your way into DM type 2. I think you eat your way into being obese, which predisposes to DM type 2

But obesity doesn’t cause diabetes. Obesity and diabetes are associated, they are two results of a third factor (dysregulated blood sugar).

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and that there is a genetic component. Most biological phenomena are a mixture of nature and nurture.

It is a good point that the success of most diets depends on how well they control people’s appetites so they can control total calories. My sense is that this is highly idiosyncratic.

Agree.
Title: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 29, 2022, 07:58:03 AM

But obesity doesn’t cause diabetes. Obesity and diabetes are associated, they are two results of a third factor (dysregulated blood sugar).

Biological systems are complex so it is likely an over-simplification to say one or the other causes the other. Suffice it to say that most obese people who have DM type 2 will substantially reduce the problems with DM by losing weight.

Lots of good health reasons to maintain a reasonable BMI. Hard to do in our culture where food is so cheap and processed to be very reinforcing.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 29, 2022, 08:24:54 AM
I will add a story about simplified physiology stories that may be on interest here and amuse.

When we were studying kidney function many years ago in medical school, the lecturers would often have a qualitative story of function and causation. Something like the increase in sodium then causes a change in the proximal tubule. This then causes a change of concentration in sodium in the urine, which is then sensed and causes a change in the distal tubule. The change in the distal tubule then causes this other effect. There were lots of these. It was many years ago so I don’t remember the exact details.

Anything beyond simple algebra is generally avoided in the medical school curriculum as too mathematical. This led to an entire one hour lecture being used to explain an exponential decay!

In any case, I got very curious about this one day and investigated by tracing a number of these stories in our kidney physiology text. It turned out that the various stories when put together led to a positive feedback loop! This would have led to death if literally true.

So the moral for food metabolism I think is that there are a lot of interacting systems which likely require proper equations to actually understand. I imagine the relationship between the amount of carbohydrate and fat burned and protein consumed is likely governed by a number of sigmoid curve type relations and so may be qualitatively described in the extreme ends where the curves tend to flatten, but probably our bodies are often running closer to middle of the range where the slope is steeper.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 29, 2022, 08:37:41 AM
Biological systems are complex so it is likely an over-simplification to say one or the other causes the other. Suffice it to say that most obese people who have DM type 2 will substantially reduce the problems with DM by losing weight.

Lots of good health reasons to maintain a reasonable BMI. Hard to do in our culture where food is so cheap and processed to be very reinforcing.

Absolutely. We have gotten ourselves into quite a predicament with a high population of not wealthy people who need cheap food. Better cheap unhealthy food than no food. But there is a huge lack of education too, not the smallest problem is that the federal government told us for over half a century that we should eat tons of grains, bread, pasta, all the white refined carbs that are so nutritionally bankrupt that we have to “fortify” them by adding back key nutrients.

And we have been brainwashed into thinking fruit juice is healthy when in reality it’s not much better than soda, and don’t get me started on how we became addicted to soda which is basically poison. It comes back to the subsidized corn and wheat industries.

You’re much better off raising chickens and cattle and eating out of a vegetable garden but you can’t support big cities and their huge underclass on that, you need the industrialized massive wheat and corn farms to support the cities. It doesn’t stop there either. Rural America buys it too, once Walmart comes to their little town.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 29, 2022, 08:43:38 AM
I will add a story about simplified physiology stories that may be on interest here and amuse.

When we were studying kidney function many years ago in medical school, the lecturers would often have a qualitative story of function and causation. Something like the increase in sodium then causes a change in the proximal tubule. This then causes a change of concentration in sodium in the urine, which is then sensed and causes a change in the distal tubule. The change in the distal tubule then causes this other effect. There were lots of these. It was many years ago so I don’t remember the exact details.

Anything beyond simple algebra is generally avoided in the medical school curriculum as too mathematical. This led to an entire one hour lecture being used to explain an exponential decay!

In any case, I got very curious about this one day and investigated by tracing a number of these stories in our kidney physiology text. It turned out that the various stories when put together led to a positive feedback loop! This would have led to death if literally true.

So the moral for food metabolism I think is that there are a lot of interacting systems which likely require proper equations to actually understand. I imagine the relationship between the amount of carbohydrate and fat burned and protein consumed is likely governed by a number of sigmoid curve type relations and so may be qualitatively described in the extreme ends where the curves tend to flatten, but probably our bodies are often running closer to middle of the range where the slope is steeper.

Interesting insight!  And I’m guessing most of mainstream medicine operates in the local area of the curve without full understanding of the total picture, kind of like how Newtonian physics works as long as you don’t look too far, kind of like how point to point on the earth looks like a straight line as long as it’s short enough, when in fact it is curved because the planet is a 3D globe.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 29, 2022, 09:05:37 AM
I have a friend with Type II. He is overweight and actually knows that if he loses weight the diabetes can go away but he just can't seem to make it happen.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 29, 2022, 09:15:30 AM
I have a friend with Type II. He is overweight and actually knows that if he loses weight the diabetes can go away but he just can't seem to make it happen.

For such cases, the risks of bariatric surgery seem worth it. https://uihc.org/health-topics/how-effective-bariatric-surgery

Seems like that probably would have been a good choice for the subject of the OP here as well.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 29, 2022, 09:17:59 AM
Life lesson:  Have fat friends.

I don't know. Isn't hanging around obese people a risk factor for being obese oneself?

Maybe you meant "Don't have" ?
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 29, 2022, 09:46:12 AM
For such cases, the risks of bariatric surgery seem worth it. https://uihc.org/health-topics/how-effective-bariatric-surgery

Seems like that probably would have been a good choice for the subject of the OP here as well.

Agree that sometimes it’s the right choice. Other times it’s not and backfires.

The link says:

“Gastric bypass surgery can often be the preferred operation for this condition since it results in a dramatic reduction in the size of the stomach and therefore in the amount of acid secreted—the main culprit that causes heartburn.”

That is false (the bold part).  The amount of acid secreted is not the main culprit. The acid being in the wrong location is the culprit. The culprit is malfunction of the lower esophageal sphincter (LES). The last thing you should do to treat acid reflux is permanently reduce the amount of acid in your stomach. Acid is needed to process nutrients, which in turn are needed for the functional health of such things as sphincters.

So continually taking antacids or proton pump inhibitors actually contributes to the decline of the LES making the problem worse in the long run, or, another positive feedback loop.  ;D

But this risk may be outweighed by the potential benefits of losing a lot of weight for some patients. Also, one may safely temporarily reduce stomach acid to allow the lower esophagus to heal. But the stomach is designed to operate at extremely low pH for proper digestion. To artificially raise the pH for extended periods isn’t healthy. Gastric bypass patients must supplement for life to make up for the reduction in nutrient absorption.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Little Joe on January 29, 2022, 10:30:05 AM
I have a friend with Type II. He is overweight and actually knows that if he loses weight the diabetes can go away but he just can't seem to make it happen.
Peter is right that in order to lose weight, you have to exercise more and eat less.
Michael however is only right on two out of three points.  Michael says it is easy to lose weigh if you exercise more and eat less.  Where he is dead wrong is the "easy" part.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 29, 2022, 10:53:05 AM
Peter is right that in order to lose weight, you have to exercise more and eat less.
Michael however is only right on two out of three points.  Michael says it is easy to lose weigh if you exercise more and eat less.  Where he is dead wrong is the "easy" part.

There is a strong association between lack of exercise and poor health, including feeling poorly, such as being in pain, having low energy, and being depressed. But which comes first? We are constantly being told to exercise to improve health because of this association, but what if it’s the other way around? What if poor health comes first, and lack of exercise is not the cause?

It is impossible to do a true scientific study to prove which is first, the chicken or the egg. I think the truth is both. Exercise does improve mood, increase energy levels and to a point can reduce certain kinds of pain. But the reverse might likely be more true, that the main cause of people failing to be active is that they are sick to begin with.

That’s why it’s not easy as you say, and also why healthy people who exercise can be so judgmental of people who don’t exercise.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: bflynn on January 29, 2022, 07:07:52 PM
I have a friend with Type II. He is overweight and actually knows that if he loses weight the diabetes can go away but he just can't seem to make it happen.

A lot times that is lifestyle. I can’t say what changed for me, but I used to be the same way. Now I consciously eat less and make an effort to avoid bad food, or at least to limit it. Net result, I’m down about 35 lbs over 2 years and approaching a BMI that isn’t categorized as obese.

Contrary to popular belief, that has been 100% diet.  With arthritis, I’m limited in what I can do.  On some days, walking is painful and any kind of exercise except swimming is pretty much out.  But the only pool is at the premium health club, which is $250/month to join.  Otherwise it’s a 30 minutes drive to the next one and I know I won’t do that.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on January 29, 2022, 08:38:34 PM
Back in the mid nineties I hit 261 and had things hurting that should not have hurt.  I discovered Dr. Atkins on TV one day and listened.  I bought his book and read it cover to cover, highlighted the important stuff, went out and got the supplements I would need and launched into his plan. No limiting of calories and no exercise beyond my normal daily routine. It took me down to 209. 


In the intervening years I was diagnosed as hypothyroid and have been on meds since and also on a statin.


Along the way to today I did go back up and had to wake myself up. Today I sit at 218 and have been a bit lower. As I’ve gotten older I have had to watch the amounts I eat more closely and definitely watch the carbs. I have a goal of 190. Not sure if I will get there or not, but will not quit trying.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Anthony on January 30, 2022, 03:56:46 AM
I'm 63, 6 ft., 170 lbs.  I exercise 2.5 hours per day including running, elliptical and weights.  Don't know what my bmi is though. No prescription meds, just vitamins.
 
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 30, 2022, 06:50:48 AM
I read somewhere that weight loss is 90% diet and 10% exercise. That’s not a scientific number of course, because weight loss is energy in minus energy out. Or…the other way around?

Anyway, you burn calories and you eat calories. It is WAAAAAAY easier to eat 500 less calories than to burn 500 calories. One hour of vigorous exercise or just don’t eat one piece of pecan pie.

Exercise is overrated. We’ve been sold a lie. What exercise does do is keep our bones strong (as long as we have the right hormones and consume the right nutrients). And builds muscle. It also promotes endorphins and makes it more likely you’ll be good looking enough to get sex. It’s important to do these things but it doesn’t prevent diabetes, it’s a painfully inefficient way to lose weight and it’s not even as healthy for our heart as we think, because exercise isn’t what prevents atherosclerosis which is mostly genes and nutrition.

Going with my theory that being unhealthy is the cause rather than the result of not exercising, exercise is simply a marker of good health. When the doctor asks you if you exercise it should be only because a yes answer will signal to him your past and current good health, not because it will prevent poor health in the future. Of course, good health in the past is a predictor of good health in the future so years from now the doctor will wrongly conclude that your continued good health was due to you exercising all this time.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 30, 2022, 08:28:31 AM
I'm 63, 6 ft., 170 lbs.  I exercise 2.5 hours per day including running, elliptical and weights.  Don't know what my bmi is though. No prescription meds, just vitamins.

Isn't a hoot when you see a health care practitioner and the first thing they ask you is "What meds are you on?"
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 30, 2022, 10:06:37 AM
I'm 63, 6 ft., 170 lbs.  I exercise 2.5 hours per day including running, elliptical and weights.  Don't know what my bmi is though. No prescription meds, just vitamins.

A web search for "BMI calculator" yields about a zillion hits.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Anthony on January 30, 2022, 10:09:47 AM
I read somewhere that weight loss is 90% diet and 10% exercise. That’s not a scientific number of course, because weight loss is energy in minus energy out. Or…the other way around?

Anyway, you burn calories and you eat calories. It is WAAAAAAY easier to eat 500 less calories than to burn 500 calories. One hour of vigorous exercise or just don’t eat one piece of pecan pie.

Exercise is overrated. We’ve been sold a lie. What exercise does do is keep our bones strong (as long as we have the right hormones and consume the right nutrients). And builds muscle. It also promotes endorphins and makes it more likely you’ll be good looking enough to get sex. It’s important to do these things but it doesn’t prevent diabetes, it’s a painfully inefficient way to lose weight and it’s not even as healthy for our heart as we think, because exercise isn’t what prevents atherosclerosis which is mostly genes and nutrition.

Going with my theory that being unhealthy is the cause rather than the result of not exercising, exercise is simply a marker of good health. When the doctor asks you if you exercise it should be only because a yes answer will signal to him your past and current good health, not because it will prevent poor health in the future. Of course, good health in the past is a predictor of good health in the future so years from now the doctor will wrongly conclude that your continued good health was due to you exercising all this time.

Basically, you just said my motto, (in a long winded fashion)
 ;D,  which is "you can't out exercise a bad diet".  As a society, we eat way TOO much in amount and make very poor food choices.  People should not be eating for just what tastes good.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Anthony on January 30, 2022, 10:11:23 AM
Isn't a hoot when you see a health care practitioner and the first thing they ask you is "What meds are you on?"

My response is usually just alcohol.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 30, 2022, 10:13:01 AM
Isn't a hoot when you see a health care practitioner and the first thing they ask you is "What meds are you on?"

For the last ten years or so all the doctor offices I've visited ask "What medications, vitamins, or supplements are you taking, if any?" Polls indicate around 80% of the population say they take some vitamin or supplement.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 30, 2022, 11:35:26 AM
For the last ten years or so all the doctor offices I've visited ask "What medications, vitamins, or supplements are you taking, if any?" Polls indicate around 80% of the population say they take some vitamin or supplement.

It’s annoying they want me to list all the supplements and they have like 4 little lines for all prescriptions and supplements and they want dosage and how many time per day.

Let’s see, C 1000mg 1x/day, D3 50,000 IU 1x/ week, methylfolate 1000 mcg 1x/day, magnesium etc. etc. and on like that for about a dozen supplements. Seriously? You want to clog up my data with all that?
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Anthony on January 30, 2022, 12:03:30 PM
A web search for "BMI calculator" yields about a zillion hits.

You don't think I know that?   ::)

BMI is a worthless number.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 30, 2022, 12:06:31 PM
It’s annoying they want me to list all the supplements and they have like 4 little lines for all prescriptions and supplements and they want dosage and how many time per day.

Let’s see, C 1000mg 1x/day, D3 50,000 IU 1x/ week, methylfolate 1000 mcg 1x/day, magnesium etc. etc. and on like that for about a dozen supplements. Seriously? You want to clog up my data with all that?

Seems intrusive to me. Why would they want that info?
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Anthony on January 30, 2022, 12:07:06 PM
For the last ten years or so all the doctor offices I've visited ask "What medications, vitamins, or supplements are you taking, if any?" Polls indicate around 80% of the population say they take some vitamin or supplement.

Most if not all the women I know, including friends, co-workers, wives of friends, girlfriends, etc. are on some form of anti depressant, or anti anxiety medication or both.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 30, 2022, 12:08:15 PM
You don't think I know that?   ::)

BMI is a worthless number.

BMI was supposed to be applied to populations, not individuals. Plus, if you're beefcake like Anthony (so I've heard), the number is skewed since muscle weighs more than fat.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 30, 2022, 12:09:08 PM
Most if not all the women I know, including friends, co-workers, wives of friends, girlfriends, etc. are on some form of anti depressant, or anti anxiety medication or both.

"Ask your doctor if "X" is right for you."

Brought to you by BigPharma.

Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Little Joe on January 30, 2022, 12:15:25 PM
Most if not all the women I know, including friends, co-workers, wives of friends, girlfriends, etc. are on some form of anti depressant, or anti anxiety medication or both.
Wow.  I hope my sister never dates you.  You have quite an effect on women close to you; don't you?

(Don't get pissed, that's a joke).
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Lucifer on January 30, 2022, 12:18:55 PM
BMI was supposed to be applied to populations, not individuals. Plus, if you're beefcake like Anthony (so I've heard), the number is skewed since muscle weighs more than fat.

Which weighs more, a pound of muscle or a pound of fat?
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: nddons on January 30, 2022, 01:00:53 PM
A web search for "BMI calculator" yields about a zillion hits.
BMI must have been written for pencil neck science geeks.

I dropped my height and weight into a BMI calculator when I was at my peak physical shape playing college football. It categorized me as obese. Same on the day of my wedding when I was lighter than when I played football but in awesome shape. Still obese. I give up.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on January 30, 2022, 01:11:51 PM
Which weighs more, a pound of muscle or a pound of fat?

(https://c.tenor.com/fNGpPKGXcrUAAAAC/johnny-dangerously-moronie.gif)
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 30, 2022, 01:21:21 PM
Which weighs more, a pound of muscle or a pound of fat?

They weigh the same but the fat takes up more volume. (I know you know that.). That’s why you float if you’re fat and sink if you’re musclebound. Fat is less dense than water and muscle is more dense than water. I think.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Jim Logajan on January 30, 2022, 01:36:24 PM
Which weighs more, a pound of muscle or a pound of fat?

Only people with proper credentials are allowed that pedantry.
;) 
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on January 30, 2022, 01:39:03 PM
Only people with proper credentials are allowed that pedantry.
;)

It's a trick question. Which weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lard?
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 30, 2022, 01:49:12 PM
It's a trick question. Which weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lard?

Anyone remember the demonstration where David Scott dropped a hammer and a falcon feather on the moon?

Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: bflynn on January 31, 2022, 01:58:24 AM
Anyone remember the demonstration where David Scott dropped a hammer and a falcon feather on the moon?

I’m not sure “remember” is a phrase to use for something that was done 51 years ago, but here it is.  Anyone less that 55 years old probably doesn’t remember.

Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Anthony on January 31, 2022, 02:43:03 AM
BMI was supposed to be applied to populations, not individuals. Plus, if you're beefcake like Anthony (so I've heard), the number is skewed since muscle weighs more than fat.

No beefcake here.  I was a Lacrosse player.  We run.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on January 31, 2022, 06:50:32 AM
I’m not sure “remember” is a phrase to use for something that was done 51 years ago, but here it is.  Anyone less that 55 years old probably doesn’t remember.


For snot-nosed kids, it wouldn't be "remember" in the sense of having watched it or witnessed it.  Not a lot of people alive today remember D-Day but we sure know about it.

And, yes, I watched it broadcast live on TV
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: PeterNSteinmetz on January 31, 2022, 09:41:41 PM
It's a trick question. Which weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lard?
This reminds me of when my 9th grade science teacher asked “which weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of gold?“

Almost the whole class broke out hysterically when I answered a pound of feathers.
Title: Re: Too fat to fly to space: 330lb man who won a trip on SpaceX's first tourist flt
Post by: Rush on February 01, 2022, 05:18:46 AM
This reminds me of when my 9th grade science teacher asked “which weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of gold?“

Almost the whole class broke out hysterically when I answered a pound of feathers.

And you were right.

I had a similar experience in 6th grade when I said something “stupid”.