PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Number7 on August 15, 2022, 12:27:25 PM
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The Babylon Bee is a favorite of mine. One of their writers had an article suggesting that the US split into two states - Liberal and Conservative - just as Israel haters have suggested Israel be split along ideological lines.
Even though the article is farcical, the thought might be valid.
We are becoming a very divided nation. The country may be dangerously close to violence and civil war.
The leftists are determined that no person be allowed to hold any civil rights sacrosanct (except abortion).
Conservatives have become suddenly truculent now that the left has stolen the white house and several senate seats through vote fraud. The outright assault on civil rights has reached a boiling point for many American citizens and the current trend to let the system work and work it out seems to be forever broken.
So...
How would America separate the left from the right???
I would be fine splitting states along political lines.
Let the slave states (the ones that believe Citizens have no rights not given permission by the government) form their own union, however they wish, allowing a reasonable time for non-leftists to seel out and move away.
Let Free states do the same, allowing (demanding) leftists get the same time to sell off and leave for the slavery of their choice.
Split the military up along the same lines, allowing lefties to serve in slave state military units and free soldiers move over and serve in the free state military.
End the federal court, federal offices, and federal oversight of everything and everybody. Let the slave states recreate their communist utopia any way they wish, as long as they stay on their side of the border and leave the rest of us alone. If the slave states want a free abortion clinic on every corner, that's their problem. As long as we are a fifty-state union current rules apply. Take the federal out of it and let them burn themselves to the ground any way they wish.
DC MUST go with the slave states, along with southern California and the SF Bay area. The free parts of California should be allowed to choose, just like upstate NY.
A properly negotiated separation makes a lot more sense than another civil war, which would likely go nuclear, especially with the illegitimate imposter, Mr. Senility, in the white house.
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Don't think that would work. From what I've seen and heard in this area the Libs want to impose their ideas on everyone.
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Don't think that would work. From what I've seen and heard in this area the Libs want to impose their ideas on everyone.
That's why the negotiated separation is the only way I see this thing going without becoming a war of some kind.
The left WANTS a war so bad they can't wait to turn guns on us for daring to think our own thoughts.
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The problem is the cities. They contain two classes of people both of which are not involved in directly producing what the country needs for physical survival (food and energy). 1. Corporate and government office dwellers, and 2. the poor underclass. The first exists as a machine to gather wealth and power to itself and the second are parasites. Both depend on the producers out here in flyover country for survival. And they’re sucking out our lifeblood like vampires.
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The problem is the cities. They contain two classes of people both of which are not involved in directly producing what the country needs for physical survival (food and energy). 1. Corporate and government office dwellers, and 2. the poor underclass. The first exists as a machine to gather wealth and power to itself and the second are parasites. Both depend on the producers out here in flyover country for survival. And they’re sucking out our lifeblood like vampires.
Fuck em. Cut them off and let them fend for themselves.
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escape from New York?
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Separate Nation City States and now suburbs and Ex-Burbs within Free States. They need to be their own controlling interest within their territory and have their own Separate government.
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A real example of a modern country splitting in two geographic regions in order to segregate populations of different personal beliefs was the 1947 Partition of India. Somewhere between 200,000 and 2 million people are estimated to have died. An estimated 10 to 20 million people were displaced. Wikipedia says "Massive population exchanges occurred between the two newly formed states in the months immediately following the partition. There was no conception that population transfers would be necessary because of the partitioning." Oops.
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IIRC, India was splitting along religious lines, which always has the edge of violence with it.
If we wait too long the civil unrest in this country will effectively split the country anyway. It's coming.
The real question is when and how.
A civil war in this modern age would devastate much of the inner cities as cannibals with personal gain as their motivation would use the unrest to take and try to hold large pieces of real estate. The military would be thrown into the unrest and the inherent corruption in government would cause untenable disputes as to method, intention, and eventual goal.
Warlords would pop up and attempt to coalesce into para military forces which would tie up whatever local government was nominally in charge (think Nigeria) and the local population would suffer deprivation and violence unseen since the 1860's.
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IIRC, India was splitting along religious lines, which always has the edge of violence with it.
If we wait too long the civil unrest in this country will effectively split the country anyway. It's coming.
The real question is when and how.
A civil war in this modern age would devastate much of the inner cities as cannibals with personal agin as their motivation would use the unrest to take and try for hold large pieces of real estate. The military would be thrown into the unrest and the inherent corruption in government would cause untenable disputes as to method, intention, and eventual goal.
Warlords would pop up and attempt to coalesce into para military forces which would tie up whatever local government was nominally in charge (think Nigeria) and the local population would suffer deprivation and violence unseen since the 1860's.
I don’t think we really want that. Up through 2019 the country was functioning very well despite our differences. Violence, hunger and deprivation are at an all time low given the whole history of mankind. We only imagine things are catastrophic (climate change! A new flu bug!) because all our basic needs are being met and we have to invent things to worry about.
The divide in this country has became cultural. It is not technically about religion but it is about faith and belief as the foundation of culture. One side retains classic belief in the roots of the country (individualism, hard work, nuclear family, suspicion of government) and the other has embraced economic collectivism, identity politics, feminism and a fear of imminent doom from climate change. The divide is about the the way the country is run which affects everybody, it’s about how power should be wielded to achieve which goals.
A man and woman cannot be happily married unless they share basic values and goals. Same with the two sides in America. The basic most important value of the right is to be free to work and profit, and pursue happiness as they see fit. The most important value of the typical leftist is to save the planet, because they’ve been brainwashed into believing we are on the edge of doom. If not climate change, then a pandemic, or overpopulation. Because doom is right around the corner they look to an authority to save them: Government. The elite in government don’t buy the doom lies but they use them to gain power over the whole country.
The liberals in the cities don’t have a problem with this because they feel that controlling the whole country will keep their basic needs met. The producers who are too busy providing for everyone don’t understand why the city dwellers insist on crippling their ability to produce because they don’t see evidence of this imminent doom (the sea levels haven’t risen).
The core belief about reality is different between the left and the right and like a married couple that won’t work. We need a divorce.
But is this really true? Or do most Americans just want to be left alone to work and enjoy life? Whether in the city or not? Many haven’t given it much thought but vote reflexively like their teachers or their friends or family tell them to.
We are being played! The elite WANT us to think we have irreconcilable differences. They want to push the right into violence so they can declare martial law, lock down the country and suspend elections (if they even have to given the cheating they’re planning in 2024].
The Biden admin etc want the right to try civil war. Don’t do it!
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The left has no concept of the value of leaving people alone.
They have to control, manipulate, lie and cheat to feel important and gain an advantage they don't know how to manage once they get it.
Divorce is the way out of a catastrophic conflict.
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I don’t think we really want that. Up through 2019 the country was functioning very well despite our differences. Violence, hunger and deprivation are at an all time low given the whole history of mankind. We only imagine things are catastrophic (climate change! A new flu bug!) because all our basic needs are being met and we have to invent things to worry about.
The divide in this country has became cultural. It is not technically about religion but it is about faith and belief as the foundation of culture. One side retains classic belief in the roots of the country (individualism, hard work, nuclear family, suspicion of government) and the other has embraced economic collectivism, identity politics, feminism and a fear of imminent doom from climate change. The divide is about the the way the country is run which affects everybody, it’s about how power should be wielded to achieve which goals.
A man and woman cannot be happily married unless they share basic values and goals. Same with the two sides in America. The basic most important value of the right is to be free to work and profit, and pursue happiness as they see fit. The most important value of the typical leftist is to save the planet, because they’ve been brainwashed into believing we are on the edge of doom. If not climate change, then a pandemic, or overpopulation. Because doom is right around the corner they look to an authority to save them: Government. The elite in government don’t buy the doom lies but they use them to gain power over the whole country.
The liberals in the cities don’t have a problem with this because they feel that controlling the whole country will keep their basic needs met. The producers who are too busy providing for everyone don’t understand why the city dwellers insist on crippling their ability to produce because they don’t see evidence of this imminent doom (the sea levels haven’t risen).
The core belief about reality is different between the left and the right and like a married couple that won’t work. We need a divorce.
But is this really true? Or do most Americans just want to be left alone to work and enjoy life? Whether in the city or not? Many haven’t given it much thought but vote reflexively like their teachers or their friends or family tell them to.
We are being played! The elite WANT us to think we have irreconcilable differences. They want to push the right into violence so they can declare martial law, lock down the country and suspend elections (if they even have to given the cheating they’re planning in 2024].
The Biden admin etc want the right to try civil war. Don’t do it!
Rush for President!!! However, we do need a divorce. The Metro area Leftists are convinced of their falsehoods. The Elite have won the Propaganda battle. There's no going back to a reconciliation. Marriage councilling will just lengthen and increase the pain for us.
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To torture the analogy to death:
Suppose the right (producers) are the man and the left are the woman in an unhappy marriage. Suppose the man has a job but the woman sits around the house whining about unfairness and inequities. She eats the food the man pays for and turns up the heat when she is cold and the man pays the power bill. The woman lectures the man about the evils of fossil fuels after she cranks up the thermostat. She lectures him about fertilizer causing climate change while she drinks soy milk made from soybeans grown on industrialized U.S. farms, about which she is clueless.
Maybe she has a job but it doesn’t involve manufacturing, transportation or production. She writes editorials for an online rag on the subject of the oppressive patriarchy and gender inequality (she has a college degree in gender studies) and is praised by the other wives also sitting at home working safely by computer as their husbands go out and risk life and limb on farm equipment, on catwalks up around boilers, in train switch yards, on oil platforms, fishing vessels, road construction, basically everything needed to allow the women to sit comfortably at home complaining about toxic masculinity.
Of course this job doesn’t earn much compared to the man’s job. She uses this fact to howl about pay inequality while totally clueless that men get paid more because they do much riskier, more productive work than women, and this is by women’s choice.
The woman lectures the man about evil guns and how no one should be allowed to own them except police. If a criminal breaks into your home, call the police, that’s what they are there for. The woman goes into the bathroom and finds a huge cockroach in her bathtub. She screams and calls the man to come get the cockroach. The man tells her to call the pest company, they’ll come save her. It isn’t right for him to defend the home from intruders with violence himself, that’s what the pest company is for. Outraged, she yells at him until he caves and kills the bug. It is her right to use him for whatever she needs and he ends up allowing it.
Let’s suppose divorce is a bad thing in this fictional society. The man decides he has had enough of being used for support while not being appreciated and indeed constantly being criticized. What are his options? He could kill her. But that is too risky. If he is caught he goes to prison and loses everything. He can’t get a divorce, he can’t afford it and anyway it is highly stigmatized in this society.
There is only one remaining option. He has to man up: exert his authority. He has to lay down the law to the woman. He takes over the bank accounts and removes the computer he paid for that she uses to write hit pieces on men. No more criticizing men for being men while under his roof. No more endless spending on frivolous stuff using his money. He locks the thermostat where he thinks it should be. He demands home cooked meals when he gets home from work and from now on his shirts will be ironed. She will be supportive and appreciative of his production. If she doesn’t accept these terms she can go out and get a job working road construction, welding steam pipes on boilers or driving a truck. Otherwise he will kick her out of the house and let her live under a bridge. Still married but no longer draining the lifeblood out of him.
That is what the right needs to do. Establishment GOP is the cuck husband- it has allowed the growth of this malignant man-hatred, white race hatred and Marxist economics. It has bowed to it, compromised to it, taken kickbacks from it (sex? To further torture the analogy).
MAGA Republicans are waking up. Trump knew how to lay down the law. We are opening keystone. No, you can’t teach CRT. No you can’t come here illegally and live in our home without permission. And if I want to grab pussy I’ll grab pussy and you’ll like it. Ha!
But my analogy doesn’t hold if the woman can run to Big Government and cry domestic abuse! He wants me to iron shirts! Wah wah wah!! I was happy just living off his money, translate: the hours of his life spent working. He doesn’t like me hating his toxic masculinity! Wah wah wah!!! Make him pay! Destroy him financially! Ruin him emotionally!
The question is, can the male side of this prevail without resorting to violence? War? Divorce? Maybe so and it needs to be given every chance.
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Without an amicable split, violence is all that will be left.
Leftists do not accept disagreement.
You are NOT allowed to think for yourself once the left has decided what is good for them IS what you are going to like.
Hate is their idea of love. Look at the hyper hypocrisy that followed PRESIDENT TRUMP winning.
The leftist whores popped up overnight with signs declaring that LOVE trumps HATE, while they burned cities, overturned cars and attacked old people walking down the street.
Without a divorce violence is all the leftist pigs have left.
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The problem is the cities. They contain two classes of people both of which are not involved in directly producing what the country needs for physical survival (food and energy). 1. Corporate and government office dwellers, and 2. the poor underclass. The first exists as a machine to gather wealth and power to itself and the second are parasites. Both depend on the producers out here in flyover country for survival. And they’re sucking out our lifeblood like vampires.
Eliminate class one, and class two vaporizes. Without Class 1, Class 2 has no power. Eliminate in whatever way necessary. The easiest thing to do is to rebuild a government. There is no shortage of people willing to kill their own family to secure political power.
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“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness] it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...”
― Thomas Jefferson
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“Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness] it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...”
― Thomas Jefferson
Didn’t you hear? Our current SJWs found out that Jefferson owned slaves, and demand that our founders be judged against their own norms circa 2022. He needs to be banished from history, along with most of the other Founders.
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Didn’t you hear? Our current SJWs found out that Jefferson owned slaves, and demand that our founders be judged against their own norms circa 2022. He needs to be banished from history, along with most of the other Founders.
They've already banned Columbus, Confederate heroes and respected Generals to our military to this day, Lincoln and the Founding Fathers are next. Maybe even JFK at some point. They're just fucking nuts.
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They've already banned Columbus, Confederate heroes and respected Generals to our military to this day, Lincoln and the Founding Fathers are next. Maybe even JFK at some point. They're just fucking nuts.
The trait of communist regimes are to remove images of history and to remove references of the same history.
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