PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: PeterNSteinmetz on September 20, 2022, 05:04:13 PM
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nterestingly, when the new http://flyersforum.org was announced on PoA just 40 minutes ago, the MC there deleted the announcement. Query is in with them on what rule requires that? Please help spread the word.
(http://steinmetz.org/peter/images/PoaDeletion.png)
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Wow. What the hell is wrong with them?
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Wow. What the hell is wrong with them?
I suppose this shows the pettiness of some on the MC there. No answer from them yet on why. I suppose it may have just been a knee jerk reaction by someone on the MC. I have seen that previously.
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I suppose this shows the pettiness of some on the MC there. No answer from them yet on why. I suppose it may have just been a knee jerk reaction by someone on the MC. I have seen that previously.
I assume it is because they associate it with this forum, but they won’t tell you that. Unless they have a policy not to post links to ANY competing forum, it’s personal. Do they link to the Purple Board? Pilot’s Place?
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I decided to privately ask Brian at thepilotsplace if it would be OK to post an announcement there. I'm hoping that diplomatic opening yields a more positive response than over at PoA.
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It appears that after I asked at PoA they decided to block my account. They really are afraid of competition I guess.
More technically they changed my password without my permission. I assume so it won’t appear they locked me out.
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These people are unbelievably petty. Instead of providing an explanation or actually blocking me, they have now implemented some type of soft block on the account where I can log in, but every page, including my own profile page, says I don't have permission to access it.
All the more reason that it is important the PilotSpin and FlyersForum offers an alternative to this sort of nonsense.
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Now they have banned my ip address. Such petty silliness.
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I wonder what the POA mods lurking here think of it.
I wonder if those POA mods have the courage to defend it ("it" being the deletion of the announcement and the follow-on actions)...
I doubt it.
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POA: Pussies offending Americans
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What petulant children. Smdh
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I wonder what the POA mods lurking here think of it.
I wonder if those POA mods have the courage to defend it ("it" being the deletion of the announcement and the follow-on actions)...
I doubt it.
Self-centered, frightened, liberals NEVER defend their censorship, racism, hypocrisy, and hate.
They believe they're better than the rest of us and the rules they put in place never affect them, because they are so special.
After all, mommy said they were special.
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No doubt they clicked on it and probably read your “Advantages” post and got offended at the criticism of their centralized control method of moderation. Or maybe they have a problem with Jim or Peter, or me or Becky, since we were the only ones who had posted there up to that point. (Texas Tailwheel has made a post since.)
Centralized control in any human endeavor tends to lead to its demise. That was the fate of the AOPA forum. Back on the yellow board there was very little moderation of any kind and things got out of hand. But instead of implementing something like your user controlled moderation they went with centralized. After the switch to the red board it grew tighter, first confining “spin” type subjects to a subforum, then banning spin type topics altogether, and finally banning all subjects not aviation related. Now it doesn’t even exist. It seems PoA is also getting tighter in a somewhat different way. It still has good traffic but is that because it doesn’t have competition?
The same thing is beginning to happen with Twitter, YouTube and Facebook. Their centralized authoritarian censorship is causing the rise of other platforms and the migration of content to those more free platforms is resulting in the decline of the former ones.
The same applies to economics. Communism (centralized control of the economy) has failed everywhere it’s been tried. After mass starvation occurs, you end up allowing some capitalism (putting economic control back in the hands of the people) so you can survive as a country. But those who love power just can’t quite give it up so they retain cultural control in those countries and living under those regimes is miserable. That’s the core issue with centralized control of any kind; their proponents like power over others too much.
No control at all (anarchy) doesn’t work for the broad population. Society needs order. We saw that with the yellow board, things get too out of control. It works here because this forum is not public and so the group is limited and has settled into a stable dynamic. But of course any forum not publicly visible will stagnate. That’s why Jim and Peter created a new publicly visible forum. Their idea of putting control into the hands of the end user is to empower the individual. I thought everybody was for that. Maybe some only give it lip service.
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Liberals LIVE to censor anything that doesn't make them feel good and right, and special.
If you want to enrage a liberal, tell them the truth.
They will fucking lose their tiny, closed, minds.
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I wonder what the POA mods lurking here think of it.
I wonder if those POA mods have the courage to defend it ("it" being the deletion of the announcement and the follow-on actions)...
I doubt it.
I don't think it's a defensible mod action.
I actually thought Peter was permanently banned from PoA. Maybe the mods did too, and they kicked baby and bathwater out at the same time?
I suspect the beechtalk post will be short-lived too, but that's a for-profit site so they would allow it for the $75/mo friendship fee. :)
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No doubt they clicked on it and probably read your “Advantages” post and got offended at the criticism of their centralized control method of moderation. Or maybe they have a problem with Jim or Peter, or me or Becky, since we were the only ones who had posted there up to that point. (Texas Tailwheel has made a post since.)
Centralized control in any human endeavor tends to lead to its demise. That was the fate of the AOPA forum. Back on the yellow board there was very little moderation of any kind and things got out of hand. But instead of implementing something like your user controlled moderation they went with centralized. After the switch to the red board it grew tighter, first confining “spin” type subjects to a subforum, then banning spin type topics altogether, and finally banning all subjects not aviation related. Now it doesn’t even exist. It seems PoA is also getting tighter in a somewhat different way. It still has good traffic but is that because it doesn’t have competition?
The same thing is beginning to happen with Twitter, YouTube and Facebook. Their centralized authoritarian censorship is causing the rise of other platforms and the migration of content to those more free platforms is resulting in the decline of the former ones.
The same applies to economics. Communism (centralized control of the economy) has failed everywhere it’s been tried. After mass starvation occurs, you end up allowing some capitalism (putting economic control back in the hands of the people) so you can survive as a country. But those who love power just can’t quite give it up so they retain cultural control in those countries and living under those regimes is miserable. That’s the core issue with centralized control of any kind; their proponents like power over others too much.
No control at all (anarchy) doesn’t work for the broad population. Society needs order. We saw that with the yellow board, things get too out of control. It works here because this forum is not public and so the group is limited and has settled into a stable dynamic. But of course any forum not publicly visible will stagnate. That’s why Jim and Peter created a new publicly visible forum. Their idea of putting control into the hands of the end user is to empower the individual. I thought everybody was for that. Maybe some only give it lip service.
Back when I was an active participant in POA during its SZ days, moderation was more open, where mods would interject right on the forums. It seems like it’s become very much black ops, and not at all out in the open. Nothing good happens that way.
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I’m sure they lurk here. The last time I posted there, the link to Pilot Spin still was in my signature. They may have purged it by now though. For sure they will after reading this.
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I don't think it's a defensible mod action.
I actually thought Peter was permanently banned from PoA. Maybe the mods did too, and they kicked baby and bathwater out at the same time?
I suspect the beechtalk post will be short-lived too, but that's a for-profit site so they would allow it for the $75/mo friendship fee. :)
I’ll have to get hubby to check it out when he gets back. I forgot his beechtalk pw. ;D
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I don't think it's a defensible mod action.
I actually thought Peter was permanently banned from PoA. Maybe the mods did too, and they kicked baby and bathwater out at the same time?
I suspect the beechtalk post will be short-lived too, but that's a for-profit site so they would allow it for the $75/mo friendship fee. :)
There was one mod who was visibly online around the time Peter's IP address was blocked. Doesn't prove anything of course. If Peter had gotten any sort of explanation it wouldn't be so bad looking.
Given what happened at PoA I privately contacted Brian over on thepilotsplace.com last night to ask if it would be Ok to announce our forum there. I got a long detailed response that I need to reply to sometime this afternoon but the bottom line is that such a post would not be welcome. Fair enough.
Over on purpleboard.net they are pretty cool with the announcement. But then I've been on that forum for years and physically met some of them, so that may be a factor. At one point a year or so ago there was rumblings of shutting purpleboard down due to low traffic. But it is otherwise a nice place due to its closed nature. But just not growing, due to what we think is its closed nature.
It would be something if PoA was successful in attracting membership because of its moderation policies and moderator actions, but the world doesn't always act the way I sometimes expect. Just have to see how the new forum works out.
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Back when I was an active participant in POA during its SZ days, moderation was more open, where mods would interject right on the forums. It seems like it’s become very much black ops, and not at all out in the open. Nothing good happens that way.
I’m telling you it changes, and always toward more restrictive. That’s the nature of power of any kind. We saw it in real time on the red board. In fact the PoA was created specifically as a reaction against the ever more draconian moderation on the red board. Now the PoA in turn is tightening up. Seems to be following the ever more restrictive speech in our culture in general too by the way.
They all do, not just forums. Give power over lots of people and it almost inevitably expands. Corporations do it, we all know what happens when a company gets big, and bigger, and congeals power in the home office. You start being treated like a cog in a machine. You are micromanaged. Required to comply with ever more rules. It never gets better, only worse.
The alternative social media platforms will in time do the same thing, as they grow and gain power via the market. All governments do it. Heck maybe one day our new Flyers Forum will do it if Peter and Jim ever need to hand over the reigns to somebody of lesser libertarian values.
It is a very rare individual who, when in power, loosens his grip on those under him rather than tightens it.
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There was one mod who was visibly online around the time Peter's IP address was blocked. Doesn't prove anything of course. If Peter had gotten any sort of explanation it wouldn't be so bad looking.
Given what happened at PoA I privately contacted Brian over on thepilotsplace.com last night to ask if it would be Ok to announce our forum there. I got a long detailed response that I need to reply to sometime this afternoon but the bottom line is that such a post would not be welcome. Fair enough.
Over on purpleboard.net they are pretty cool with the announcement. But then I've been on that forum for years and physically met some of them, so that may be a factor. At one point a year or so ago there was rumblings of shutting purpleboard down due to low traffic. But it is otherwise a nice place due to its closed nature. But just not growing, due to what we think is its closed nature.
It would be something if PoA was successful in attracting membership because of its moderation policies and moderator actions, but the world doesn't always act the way I sometimes expect. Just have to see how the new forum works out.
I really need to go to the purple board more often. I don’t know why I don’t other than I just don’t have the link bookmarked and am not in the habit.
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Given what happened at PoA I privately contacted Brian over on thepilotsplace.com last night to ask if it would be Ok to announce our forum there. I got a long detailed response that I need to reply to sometime this afternoon but the bottom line is that such a post would not be welcome. Fair enough.
But yet he posted his website on PoA and others looking for participants.
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Given what happened at PoA I privately contacted Brian over on thepilotsplace.com last night to ask if it would be Ok to announce our forum there. I got a long detailed response that I need to reply to sometime this afternoon but the bottom line is that such a post would not be welcome. Fair enough.
"fair enough"?
nothing "fair" about it.
not one single thing
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But yet he posted his website on PoA and others looking for participants.
That is true. And indeed there was a thread discussing PilotsPlace and a number of others in the Flight Following section, which is why I posted the announcement there.
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No one should ever expect fairness, or tolerance from a lefty asshole.
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I actually thought Peter was permanently banned from PoA. Maybe the mods did too, and they kicked baby and bathwater out at the same time?
I suspect the beechtalk post will be short-lived too, but that's a for-profit site so they would allow it for the $75/mo friendship fee. :)
On PoA there were a number of people screaming for that because they did not like my factually based posts about Covid in particular or my joke cartoon about armed passengers on 9/11. But it never happened. Indeed, my account is actually not banned if you have a look. Instead a bunch of weird stuff happened. Password reset without my permission. Then all pages generating errors after a password reset by me. Then my ip being banned.
I never did receive any warning or explanation about any of it. In truth since it is privately owned I have always tried to follow their rules. I will politely ask for an explanation at times, but always tried to follow the stated rules. Apparently that is not good enough these days.
As to BT, the announcement survives but has not had much positive response. People there seem to receive it as bad form. My sense was that BT is a type specific club and I placed the announcement in 'Babble Talk' so seemed fine to me as not much direct competition at all really. But the mods will have to decide what they want to do.
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"fair enough"?
nothing "fair" about it.
not one single thing
I meant "fair enough" as in "typical enough". It is typical to be disingenuous. People are rarely consistent.
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On PoA there were a number of people screaming for that because they did not like my factually based posts about Covid in particular or my joke cartoon about armed passengers on 9/11. But it never happened. Indeed, my account is actually not banned if you have a look. Instead a bunch of weird stuff happened. Password reset without my permission. Then all pages generating errors after a password reset by me. Then my ip being banned.
I never did receive any warning or explanation about any of it. In truth since it is privately owned I have always tried to follow their rules. I will politely ask for an explanation at times, but always tried to follow the stated rules. Apparently that is not good enough these days.
As to BT, the announcement survives but has not had much positive response. People there seem to receive it as bad form. My sense was that BT is a type specific club and I placed the announcement in 'Babble Talk' so seemed fine to me as not much direct competition at all really. But the mods will have to decide what they want to do.
That’d do it.
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I meant "fair enough" as in "typical enough". It is typical to be disingenuous. People are rarely consistent.
ah, ok.
I just never would have equated the two.
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ah, ok.
I just never would have equated the two.
And when I write "no" you need to realize I sometimes mean "yes".
;)
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"fair enough"?
nothing "fair" about it.
not one single thing
You said it brother.
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I still lurk over there and occasionally participate as I do here and the purple board. I haven’t noticed them to be any worse then they usually have been but it doesn’t surprise me they removed the posting. Forums don’t like to advertise for other competing forums seems pilot place is the same way. thing is, Steinmetz is probably an alright guy, don’t know haven’t met him, but one thing I’ve noticed is that he’s got way too much time on his hands to constantly be rotating between so many forums, commenting, posting, trying to create his own forums and still work a professional life as he claims. like you need to quit worrying so fking much about who says what on a message board and go out live life. must be a sad sap to live on pilot forums all the time
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I still lurk over there and occasionally participate as I do here and the purple board. I haven’t noticed them to be any worse then they usually have been but it doesn’t surprise me they removed the posting. Forums don’t like to advertise for other competing forums seems pilot place is the same way. thing is, Steinmetz is probably an alright guy, don’t know haven’t met him, but one thing I’ve noticed is that he’s got way too much time on his hands to constantly be rotating between so many forums, commenting, posting, trying to create his own forums and still work a professional life as he claims. like you need to quit worrying so fking much about who says what on a message board and go out live life. must be a sad sap to live on pilot forums all the time
Hey, what about ME!? Everybody else gets beat up on but I hardly ever get attacked. <sulk> <Sigh - nobody hates me>
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Hey, what about ME!? Everybody else gets beat up on but I hardly ever get attacked. <sulk> <Sigh - nobody hates me>
See Reply #11 on your thread announcing the new forum. You’re included in the attack! :)
As are most people who build and create without pulling down and destroying. Kudos.
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Hey, what about ME!? Everybody else gets beat up on but I hardly ever get attacked. <sulk> <Sigh - nobody hates me>
You'd have to be noticed to be hated.
Hope that makes you feel better. ;) ;D
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I’ll have to get hubby to check it out when he gets back. I forgot his beechtalk pw. ;D
Still there on BeechTalk. I do wish you the best of luck on the new forum.
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Still there on BeechTalk. I do wish you the best of luck on the new forum.
You sound like you think I’m leaving this one.
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You sound like you think I’m leaving this one.
No, not at all. The "you" I was referring to was Peter, who I was wishing luck on his new forum endeavor. Please don't ever leave!
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No, not at all. The "you" I was referring to was Peter, who I was wishing luck on his new forum endeavor. Please don't ever leave!
Ah, that makes much more sense. Was kind of wondering why I needed "luck" on the forum, but Peter having come up with it makes sense. In my defense you were replying to my post. ;D And I don't want you to leave either!