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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on September 24, 2022, 06:13:34 AM

Title: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2022, 06:13:34 AM
Lots of rumors flying that Xi is under house arrest and has been removed as leader of the PLA.

This could get interesting.   Don’t expect the US MSM or Big Tech to honestly report on this.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2022, 06:29:07 AM
https://hwnews.in/news/international/chinese-president-xi-jinping-under-house-arrest-reports-suggest-hostile-pla-takeover/

Gordon Chang is spot on when it comes to China.   This may get interesting.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Rush on September 24, 2022, 06:51:43 AM
LOL China.  Weren’t we smart to hook our manufacturing star to that shithole.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Username on September 24, 2022, 07:07:49 AM
When you put unreasonable climate and woke and union and tax restrictions on businesses here, they go elsewhere.  Follow the cheap.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Rush on September 24, 2022, 07:37:37 AM
When you put unreasonable climate and woke and union and tax restrictions on businesses here, they go elsewhere.  Follow the cheap.

Then the stupid American consumer would rather buy a cheap piece of shit made in China for 1/5 the price, throw it away and rebuy it a dozen times when quality Made in USA used to last a lifetime.  They’ve destroyed the competition.  You cannot now get the Made in USA version because it’s been driven out of business. 

I can’t get foam hair curlers not made in China.  They’re crap, they fall apart.  It’s the same design made in America 50 years ago that held up for decades, but quality control in China is absent.  Inferior materials, inferior tolerances and construction.  Whoever used to make them here is long gone.  No matter the brand, they’re all made in some generic Chinese factory and of the same total shit quality.  You can’t get well made ones for any price any more. 

We’ve not only destroyed our manufacturing jobs, we have ruined the quality of things we use every day and greatly increased the amount of trash going into landfills or ending up in the ocean.

It isn’t a level playing field even in the rare cases China matches the quality because of the things you mention keep prices so much lower than they can be in the U.S. all due to government meddling in the market.

As a libertarian I’m for free trade but opening trade to communist China was a huge mistake.  You don’t do business with unethical liars and cheaters.  We should have let them rot as a third world communist hellhole.  Did we think doing business with them would ally them to us?  On the contrary they’ll side with Russia against us when it comes down to it.  All we did was enrich an enemy!
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 24, 2022, 07:47:14 AM
Question for the table: For years I’ve eschewed buying things labeled “Made in China.” I’ve especially done so the last few years and especially the last two. Literally, I just walk away from the things and do without. I did it yesterday with an item I really wanted. Walked away.

Are there a lot of people doing this? Enough to make a real difference in China’s economy?
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Anthony on September 24, 2022, 07:59:31 AM
Question for the table: For years I’ve eschewed buying things labeled “Made in China.” I’ve especially done so the last few years and especially the last two. Literally, I just walk away from the things and do without. I did it yesterday with an item I really wanted. Walked away.

Are there a lot of people doing this? Enough to make a real difference in China’s economy?

No. Most Americans are shallow, lazy people that feel ENTITLED.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Rush on September 24, 2022, 08:10:42 AM
Question for the table: For years I’ve eschewed buying things labeled “Made in China.” I’ve especially done so the last few years and especially the last two. Literally, I just walk away from the things and do without. I did it yesterday with an item I really wanted. Walked away.

Are there a lot of people doing this? Enough to make a real difference in China’s economy?

The problem is when there is no alternative and you need the item.  There are certain things you can’t find other than Made in China.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 24, 2022, 09:04:12 AM


Are there a lot of people doing this? Enough to make a real difference in China’s economy?

I doubt a lot are.  But I am one that avoids junk made in Chine.

Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Username on September 24, 2022, 09:05:24 AM
Question for the table: For years I’ve eschewed buying things labeled “Made in China.” I’ve especially done so the last few years and especially the last two. Literally, I just walk away from the things and do without. I did it yesterday with an item I really wanted. Walked away.

Are there a lot of people doing this? Enough to make a real difference in China’s economy?
I buy the best quality for the task.  Increasingly that's NOT made in China.  I don't intentionally avoid Chinese goods, but when I pick something up and see that it's a piece of crap, I check the label and it's always Made in China.  I move over to the higher quality thing.  It's more expensive.  Sometimes much more expensive.  But I'm trading off having to buy something three times plus the frustration of being without in the middle of doing something when it breaks.

What's very interesting is I'm old enough to remember "Made in Japan" meant very low quality.  Over time Japan got their shit together and now put out very high quality goods.  China seems to be going the other way.  "Made in China" goods started out pretty reasonable but are now rapidly decreasing in quality.  I do wonder if they are feeling the pinch and are reducing quality to maintain the lifestyle of their masters.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Jim Logajan on September 24, 2022, 09:13:07 AM
Lots of rumors flying that Xi is under house arrest and has been removed as leader of the PLA.

This could get interesting.   Don’t expect the US MSM or Big Tech to honestly report on this.

The majority of the news stories I find that cover the rumor are based in India. MSN at least includes this item from India Today:
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/xi-jinping-under-house-arrest-in-china-bjp-leader-s-tweet-sets-social-media-abuzz/ar-AA12c4oT (https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/xi-jinping-under-house-arrest-in-china-bjp-leader-s-tweet-sets-social-media-abuzz/ar-AA12c4oT)

If I were asked to bet, I'd bet this is mostly wishful thinking of the crowd.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2022, 09:22:40 AM
The majority of the news stories I find that cover the rumor are based in India. MSN at least includes this item from India Today:
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/xi-jinping-under-house-arrest-in-china-bjp-leader-s-tweet-sets-social-media-abuzz/ar-AA12c4oT (https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/xi-jinping-under-house-arrest-in-china-bjp-leader-s-tweet-sets-social-media-abuzz/ar-AA12c4oT)

If I were asked to bet, I'd bet this is mostly wishful thinking of the crowd.

China media will not broadcast. The US media won’t broadcast because of the level of control the CCP has over it.

Many countries around the world are under the influence of China.    So if something is going on, it will only come out through some very unusual and obscure channels.

We’ll see,
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Rush on September 24, 2022, 09:32:11 AM
I wish I could find more about what’s driving all this.  Are they unhappy with the lockdown policies?  Does someone recognize that’s destroying China’s economy?  Or is it just a fight for power?  Is there an ideological battle goin on?
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2022, 11:35:50 AM
I wish I could find more about what’s driving all this.  Are they unhappy with the lockdown policies?  Does someone recognize that’s destroying China’s economy?  Or is it just a fight for power?  Is there an ideological battle goin on?

Xi has been under a lot of pressure from the CCP because of the teetering economy of China. Lots of bad decisions have been made, and the Chinese house of cards is in real danger of collapsing.  Many of the party officials want Xi replaced, so there are internal struggles happening.

The PLA was upset Xi went to meet with Russia, and if rumors are true, the PLA made their move while he was out of the country.  Supposedly when Xi returned he was placed under house arrest by the PLA.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: jb1842 on September 24, 2022, 12:58:59 PM
Xi has been under a lot of pressure from the CCP because of the teetering economy of China. Lots of bad decisions have been made, and the Chinese house of cards is in real danger of collapsing.  Many of the party officials want Xi replaced, so there are internal struggles happening.

The PLA was upset Xi went to meet with Russia, and if rumors are true, the PLA made their move while he was out of the country.  Supposedly when Xi returned he was placed under house arrest by the PLA.

So what happens if this is true and the new regime calls in all our debt and/or decides to invade Taiwan at the same time?
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 24, 2022, 01:02:27 PM
So what happens if this is true and the new regime calls in all our debt and/or decides to invade Taiwan at the same time?

Well, the President could just give China a big ol' raspberry and honor our commitments to Taiwan.

oh wait, we have a clown occupying the white house... so Taiwan would be completely screwed.

Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Lucifer on September 24, 2022, 01:42:16 PM
So what happens if this is true and the new regime calls in all our debt and/or decides to invade Taiwan at the same time?

 The threat to China is their economy.  Any wrong move and it collapses setting them back centuries.  Xi has the party worried, and his trip to back Russia was a bad move.  China does not want to get dragged into a war backing Russia, nothing could come out of it that would benefit them.  Remember, China needs a market to sell to, and Russia wants war with China’s customers. 

 The new regime won’t call in the debt.  They still need us to buy their crap, and more importantly they need our technology.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: jb1842 on September 24, 2022, 01:54:33 PM
The threat to China is their economy.  Any wrong move and it collapses setting them back centuries.  Xi has the party worried, and his trip to back Russia was a bad move.  China does not want to get dragged into a war backing Russia, nothing could come out of it that would benefit them.  Remember, China needs a market to sell to, and Russia wants war with China’s customers. 

 The new regime won’t call in the debt.  They still need us to buy their crap, and more importantly they need our technology.

So the coup could have been to stop Xi from pissing us off by allying witg Russia and invading Taiwan and our possibly boycotting them in response and further destroying their economy? Makes more sense then my thinking.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: nddons on September 24, 2022, 04:00:20 PM
Question for the table: For years I’ve eschewed buying things labeled “Made in China.” I’ve especially done so the last few years and especially the last two. Literally, I just walk away from the things and do without. I did it yesterday with an item I really wanted. Walked away.

Are there a lot of people doing this? Enough to make a real difference in China’s economy?
No. All you need to see is Walmart parking lots to see people don’t give a shit.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: nddons on September 24, 2022, 04:13:42 PM
So what happens if this is true and the new regime calls in all our debt and/or decides to invade Taiwan at the same time?
They can’t call in our debt. It has fixed maturities. But of course they don’t have to buy new debt.

On the other hand, I think Taiwan is fucked. Still can’t tell if we will militarily defend Taiwan (Biden’s position), or will step aside and let China overrun Taiwan (SecState Blinken’s position.)
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: elwood blues on September 24, 2022, 04:20:42 PM
I wish I could find more about what’s driving all this.  Are they unhappy with the lockdown policies?  Does someone recognize that’s destroying China’s economy?  Or is it just a fight for power?  Is there an ideological battle goin on?


Real estate.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Anthony on September 25, 2022, 05:59:50 AM
They can’t call in our debt. It has fixed maturities. But of course they don’t have to buy new debt.

On the other hand, I think Taiwan is fucked. Still can’t tell if we will militarily defend Taiwan (Biden’s position), or will step aside and let China overrun Taiwan (SecState Blinken’s position.)

I doubt we will do anything but talk tough and posture. We are not going to engage China in a military conflict.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Rush on September 25, 2022, 06:46:44 AM
I doubt we will do anything but talk tough and posture. We are not going to engage China in a military conflict.

That’s why we need a crazy loose cannon in office.  No, not Biden; he’s a sniveling coward and besides is compromised by the CCP.  I mean Trump.  China and Russia wouldn’t dare try anything if Trump were in charge.  Trump told Putin he’d drop a bomb on Moscow if Russia invaded Ukraine and no one was completely sure he wouldn’t, so Putin didn’t.  You keep peace by making your enemy believe you will totally crush them if they attack.  Biden can’t do that, all Biden projects is weakness. It’s obvious he’s not even in charge and whoever is in charge is cutting the legs out from under the U.S. economy, the U.S. military, and the U.S. energy sector.  Not a good time to go to war.  This would be the right time for China to move against Taiwan if they weren’t having so many internal problems of their own and they may still anyway.  If they do, Biden will make a confused statement of condemnation, back it up by nothing, and then the American consumer will beg to be allowed to continue buying Taiwan’s chips.  No doubt we will (with new CCP spyware installed) and Biden will end up getting a share of China’s new source of profit.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Rush on September 25, 2022, 11:52:02 AM
If you don’t believe the U.S. military is being made into a laughing stock to the world by the left, read this.  Air Force cadets are being told not to call their parents “mom” and “dad” because it’s offensive.  They are also being taught to take particular notice of each other’s skin color.  Being “colorblind” is racist now, the exact opposite of everything we’ve been told since the civil rights movement in the 60s.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/09/af-academy-inclusion-training-dont-say-mom-and-dad-use-words-that-include-all-genders/
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 25, 2022, 12:13:38 PM
so much for unit cohesion...
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Anthony on September 25, 2022, 02:10:13 PM
so much for unit cohesion...

And mission readiness and combat effectiveness.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Rush on September 25, 2022, 05:08:13 PM
According to this it’s the other way around, Xi is arresting and jailing others, and the rumors about him being under house arrest are not confirmed.  I guess it was too good to be true.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11246363/Chinese-despot-Xi-Jinping-jails-minister-LIFE-huge-crackdown-dissent-ahead-congress.html

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There have been rumours swirling on social media, similar to when Xi became party leader, that he will be replaced. 

'There's no evidence of a coup in China and no reason to even slightly think there has been one,' said Nathan Ruser, a researcher, from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute who focuses on China.

'Xi's decade of intense political consolidation behind him can't be overturned by a missed meeting or a few cancelled flights.'

But Drew Thompson, a visiting senior research fellow at the National University of Singapore who studies China and US relations, said: 'The spread of the rumour indicates belief in its plausibility.'
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on September 25, 2022, 05:28:35 PM
either way, it's probably not good for the people in China.

Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: nddons on September 25, 2022, 05:51:06 PM
If you don’t believe the U.S. military is being made into a laughing stock to the world by the left, read this.  Air Force cadets are being told not to call their parents “mom” and “dad” because it’s offensive.  They are also being taught to take particular notice of each other’s skin color.  Being “colorblind” is racist now, the exact opposite of everything we’ve been told since the civil rights movement in the 60s.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/09/af-academy-inclusion-training-dont-say-mom-and-dad-use-words-that-include-all-genders/
And to think Robin Olds was once the Commandant of the Air Force Academy. I think he’s turning over in his grave.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Rush on September 25, 2022, 06:02:42 PM
And to think Robin Olds was once the Commandant of the Air Force Academy. I think he’s turning over in his grave.

That’s a lot of toxic masculinity right there.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: nddons on September 25, 2022, 06:54:51 PM
That’s a lot of toxic masculinity right there.
What do you mean? 

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220926/0909e9e79e024aa11f9bdb8c1e7c5c9e.jpg)
Lol
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Rush on September 25, 2022, 07:16:06 PM
What do you mean? 

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20220926/0909e9e79e024aa11f9bdb8c1e7c5c9e.jpg)
Lol

Yes.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Anthony on September 26, 2022, 01:22:05 AM
And to think Robin Olds was once the Commandant of the Air Force Academy. I think he’s turning over in his grave.

He was the real deal. Fought in THREE wars.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: nddons on September 26, 2022, 06:10:54 AM
He was the real deal. Fought in THREE wars.
And an Ace in P-38s, P-51s, and F-4 Phantoms. Played football at West Point, married a movie star, etc.  Kind of like my life. Lol

If you haven’t read “Robin Olds, Fighter Pilot”, I highly recommend it. It’s also a 17 hour audio book.
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: Lucifer on September 26, 2022, 10:33:30 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/N84pS8u.jpg)
Title: Re: What’s Going on in China
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on September 26, 2022, 05:27:21 PM
He was the real deal. Fought in THREE wars.

Guy just couldn't keep out of trouble!