PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on September 27, 2022, 12:13:39 PM
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All corporate media headlines about this compare her to Mussolini of course.
https://gab.com/PJ_STORM/posts/109071810546663651
A sign of hope I think.
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Definitely a sign of hope. Along with my post about Quebec, I think a lot of people are waking up against the march toward leftist collectivism.
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All corporate media headlines about this compare her to Mussolini of course.
https://gab.com/PJ_STORM/posts/109071810546663651
A sign of hope I think.
I totally agree. There had to be one single memo circulated among the ministries of misinformation to target her as Mossoloni. These people aren’t even original in their obscene hatred of family values.
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We will fight them on the beaches.....
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Only here could the election of a facist be regarded as "a sign of hope"
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Only here could the election of a facist be regarded as "a sign of hope"
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Only here could the election of a facist be regarded as "a sign of hope"
So educate us, and tell us what the definition is of "fascist".
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Only here could the election of a facist be regarded as "a sign of hope"
Your Authoritarian, Big Government, control freak Democrats are the true Fascists. They are eliminating or trying to eliminate our rights, Freedom and liberty daily.
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Only here could the election of a facist be regarded as "a sign of hope"
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Only here could the election of a facist be regarded as "a sign of hope"
What makes you think she’s a fascist? What has she done or said that makes her a fascist? Are belief in God, family and country now fascistic? Please educate us.
And don’t use the fact that the left wing global media is using that term means she is what they say she is. That’s how mobs are formed.
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^^^This^^^
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Only here could the election of a facist be regarded as "a sign of hope"
You fucking moron.
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Only here could the election of a facist be regarded as "a sign of hope"
What does she actually want, and is it fascism? Is it pro-Russia?
1. She is explicitly pro-NATO. Just not pro-EU. Doesn't mean fascism to want to go back to before the EU.
2. Devolution of EU power from a superstate style model to a more confederated model. For Europe the superstate model isn't working, due to all the different languages and cultures and economic needs.
3. Devolving a post national power structure back to a previous incarnation to soften its ability to tell people what to do is actually the opposite of fascism.
4. You're likely to get more free marketeering under her than under left wing socialist economics which is the hallmark of fascism.
5. The fusion of corporate and state power together is fascism and is what the left is doing. In the U.S. Big Tech and Media working directly with the Biden administration is closer to fascism than anything Meloni will do.
6. The idea of guarding your borders, giving tax relief, and not starting wars is considered some form of Nazism or fascism now, according to people like you.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/27/the-election-of-italys-fascist-adjacent-giorgia-meloni-is-a-public-reminder-that-women-can-be-just-as-awful-as-men (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/27/the-election-of-italys-fascist-adjacent-giorgia-meloni-is-a-public-reminder-that-women-can-be-just-as-awful-as-men)
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/27/the-election-of-italys-fascist-adjacent-giorgia-meloni-is-a-public-reminder-that-women-can-be-just-as-awful-as-men (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/27/the-election-of-italys-fascist-adjacent-giorgia-meloni-is-a-public-reminder-that-women-can-be-just-as-awful-as-men)
So some random person's opinion piece is now to be taken as fact?
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/27/the-election-of-italys-fascist-adjacent-giorgia-meloni-is-a-public-reminder-that-women-can-be-just-as-awful-as-men (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/27/the-election-of-italys-fascist-adjacent-giorgia-meloni-is-a-public-reminder-that-women-can-be-just-as-awful-as-men)
An opinion piece? Seriously?
Are you going to answer my question?
So educate us, and tell us what the definition is of "fascist".
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An opinion piece? Seriously?
Are you going to answer my question?
mikey NEVER thinks.
He just babbles the bullshit he's told to believe.
Even for him this is truly delusional.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/27/the-election-of-italys-fascist-adjacent-giorgia-meloni-is-a-public-reminder-that-women-can-be-just-as-awful-as-men (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/27/the-election-of-italys-fascist-adjacent-giorgia-meloni-is-a-public-reminder-that-women-can-be-just-as-awful-as-men)
So, what causes her to be a fascist? This?
“What’s indisputable is that Meloni is a radical ultraconservative who opposes gay adoption, fetishises idealised confections of a “traditional” family unit she did not herself grow up in, associates refugee arrivals with “crime and prostitution” and rallies against the influence of those eternally slippery, hazily undefined “globalists”. Ahead of the election, she told the Italian people: “Don’t be afraid.””
You leftists have destroyed the impact of terms such as racist, fascist, etc. You have so abused the language that when everything is racist, actually nothing is racist. When the entire right or conservative side is fascist, actually none of us are fascists.
What is most concerning to Europeans is that she is thinking “Italy First,” not “EU First.” The concept of God and Family is also violent to the left because they believe the State is the Supreme Being, not God, and not Family.
And of course sycophants like yourself ride the wave, parroting what you hear on the CBC or BBC in the faculty lounge, thinking you’re all so damned smart when in reality you are incapable of anything but group think.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/27/the-election-of-italys-fascist-adjacent-giorgia-meloni-is-a-public-reminder-that-women-can-be-just-as-awful-as-men (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/27/the-election-of-italys-fascist-adjacent-giorgia-meloni-is-a-public-reminder-that-women-can-be-just-as-awful-as-men)
"women can be just as awful as men"
How can that be? We haven't defined what a woman is.
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fas·cism | ˈfaSHˌiz(ə)m | (also Fascism)
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
• derogatory extremely authoritarian, intolerant, or oppressive ideas or behavior: an outright ban is just fascism.
• [with modifier] very intolerant or domineering views or practices in a particular area: this is yet another example of health fascism in action.
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43); the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.
I'm wondering how fascism is only associated with "right-wing" and not, oh, say, the left in the US?
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That definition describes fascism as a right-wing system, and then goes on to describe socialism. Weird.
Not really weird, because fascism and socialism are essentially the same thing.
So, Meloni doesn't want the EU dictating to Italy, and wants to transfer power to the individual. That sounds like the opposite of fascism.
So, Michael, explain why you think she's a fascist. Please use your own words.
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That definition describes fascism as a right-wing system, and then goes on to describe socialism. Weird.
Not really weird, because fascism and socialism are essentially the same thing.
So, Meloni doesn't want the EU dictating to Italy, and wants to transfer power to the individual. That sounds like the opposite of fascism.
The democrat communist love calling everyone nazi's. Except they don't know what a Nazi actually is.
Nazi is short for Nationalsozialist, a German term for National Socialist. Let that sink in for a moment. Notice anything?
Conservatism is not socialism. Our democrat communist friends however, love everything about socialism and embrace socialistic practices. Conservatives support free speech, Country First, Family First, capitalism, Liberty and God Given Rights. Nothing there that a socialist would support.
The democrat communist say they are all about democracy, which is essentially mob rule. Our founding fathers were smart enough not to put democracy in our constitution, but they did structure a Representative Republic, which puts the government in the hands of the people, not the other way around which would be in essence, fascist.
And right now we are watching our government, which is being run by the democrat communist, demanding totalitarian rule, reduction in rights, taxation without representation and attempting to end our Representative Republic.
So, who are the real fascist?
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It’s real simple. Communism and fascism are both tyranny and all the way on the left. The opposite is total individual freedom all the way on the right, also not good but it’s better to lean that way than left.
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fas·cism | ˈfaSHˌiz(ə)m | (also Fascism)
noun
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
• derogatory extremely authoritarian, intolerant, or oppressive ideas or behavior: an outright ban is just fascism.
• [with modifier] very intolerant or domineering views or practices in a particular area: this is yet another example of health fascism in action.
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43); the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach.
I'm wondering how fascism is only associated with "right-wing" and not, oh, say, the left in the US?
The answer to your question is the most intolerant, racist, violent people on earth are all liberal fascists projecting their own hatred and hateful behavior s on us because they lack the courage to look themselves in the mirror.
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Michael won't respond. He always does this. Makes a comment to stir the pot then leaves. Rinse and repeat.
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Michael won't respond. He always does this. Makes a comment to stir the pot then leaves. Rinse and repeat.
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^^^^^LOL! Exactly.
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Michael won't respond. He always does this. Makes a comment to stir the pot then leaves. Rinse and repeat.
The perfesser has a difficult time dealing with people in situations where he can't lord over them and use things like grades to silence them.
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The perfesser has a difficult time dealing with people in situations where he can't lord over them and use things like grades to silence them.
Just like every other cowardly, liberal.
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The perfesser has a difficult time dealing with people in situations where he can't lord over them and use things like grades to silence them.
The Leftist BULLIES can't tolerate resistance because in reality they're Cowards that need the STATE to do their dirty work for them due to their own weakness.
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In his defense he is one and we are ten ganging up on him. Doesn’t mean we ten are wrong. I would like Michael to defend his position and explain why he thinks Meloni, Trump, and all MAGA supporters are “fascist”.
First we must start with the definition of fascism. Originally it was a “totalitarian political movement linked with corporatism”, especially as applied to Mussolini. Later racism and xenophobia were added as supposed features and I suspect this is what Michael thinks is the main definition and that it applies to anyone not far left.
Fascism is nationalistic in that it puts the importance of the state over the individual. This is supposedly the opposite of socialism (communism) but we know that in practice socialism and communism also put the state (collective) over the individual.
In the second half of the 19th century the vast empty western territories were up for grabs by the railroads, who competed to be the first to reach California. Two railroad moguls, General Palmer of the Denver & Rio Grande Railway, and William Barstow Strong, of the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe, were bitter rivals who hated each other, both racing to lay tracks over the Raton Pass at the border of Colorado and New Mexico to go south of the Rockies and on to the west coast, and to lay a track through the Royal Gorge along the canyon of the Arkansas river to access silver mines beyond. It was only wide enough for one track. For years these two men fought literal wars over these ambitions, at the worst point involving armed militias, as well as manipulating what legal authority there was in the territories to outmaneuver each other.
In the entire history of the United States there are probably no two men who hated each other more. But the reason they remained such well matched enemies is because they were exactly alike. Cut from the same cloth, they kept guessing each other’s moves, reading each other’s minds, showing up to thwart each other’s plans just in the nick of time.
This is communism(leftism) and fascism. Both are a system of privileged ruling elites putting themselves in centralized control of a population. The two are not opposites of each other but two faces of the same totalitarian evil. The current worldwide conservative-populist movement is what is opposite of them; it is opposed to centralized control, and favors returning power to more local levels. The left uses “fascism” as a pejorative to falsely paint this movement as something it is not.
I suspect that Michael and the left think the right in the U.S. is “fascist” because of their recent actions on issues like abortion and gay/trans. On these social issues they are correct, the right has overreacted to the left’s overreach on these matters. The right has proposed national bans on abortion, defense of marriage, that sort of thing, because the woke left pushed the issues into lunatic land.
What led to RvW being overturned was the left pushing to legalize abortion in the 9th month. What led to bathroom laws where you have to use the one you were born as, and don’t say gay laws, was the left’s absolutely insane forcing the issue affecting a tiny minority on all the rest of us, making us change our pronouns - lunacy!
The left is creating an authoritarian right backlash on these issues. If that’s what Michael means then he is correct but has only himself to blame if he votes for these insane far left Democrats.
But on economic issues the right is nowhere near totalitarian control of the economy, but on the contrary wants to loosen centralized control. Allow Keystone, allow drilling, cut regulations so the economy doesn’t suffocate, cut taxes to empower the middle and lower classes. All of this is the opposite of both far left communism and far right “fascism”.
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With respect to your very intelligent observations, liberals are spoiled by the kindness and tolerance of the right.
We allowed live and let live to the point that assailed like Mike think we OWE them total devotion even to the point of lettin fucking child molesters in lot the bathroom beside children as long as they lie out their asses and pretend to be gender confused.
Fuck them and their pathetic mental illness.
Tolerance has spread insanity.
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In his defense he is one and we are ten ganging up on him. Doesn’t mean we ten are wrong. I would like Michael to defend his position and explain why he thinks Meloni, Trump, and all MAGA supporters are “fascist”.
First we must start with the definition of fascism. Originally it was a “totalitarian political movement linked with corporatism”, especially as applied to Mussolini. Later racism and xenophobia were added as supposed features and I suspect this is what Michael thinks is the main definition and that it applies to anyone not far left.
Fascism is nationalistic in that it puts the importance of the state over the individual. This is supposedly the opposite of socialism (communism) but we know that in practice socialism and communism also put the state (collective) over the individual.
In the second half of the 19th century the vast empty western territories were up for grabs by the railroads, who competed to be the first to reach California. Two railroad moguls, General Palmer of the Denver & Rio Grande Railway, and William Barstow Strong, of the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe, were bitter rivals who hated each other, both racing to lay tracks over the Raton Pass at the border of Colorado and New Mexico to go south of the Rockies and on to the west coast, and to lay a track through the Royal Gorge along the canyon of the Arkansas river to access silver mines beyond. It was only wide enough for one track. For years these two men fought literal wars over these ambitions, at the worst point involving armed militias, as well as manipulating what legal authority there was in the territories to outmaneuver each other.
In the entire history of the United States there are probably no two men who hated each other more. But the reason they remained such well matched enemies is because they were exactly alike. Cut from the same cloth, they kept guessing each other’s moves, reading each other’s minds, showing up to thwart each other’s plans just in the nick of time.
This is communism(leftism) and fascism. Both are a system of privileged ruling elites putting themselves in centralized control of a population. The two are not opposites of each other but two faces of the same totalitarian evil. The current worldwide conservative-populist movement is what is opposite of them; it is opposed to centralized control, and favors returning power to more local levels. The left uses “fascism” as a pejorative to falsely paint this movement as something it is not.
I suspect that Michael and the left think the right in the U.S. is “fascist” because of their recent actions on issues like abortion and gay/trans. On these social issues they are correct, the right has overreacted to the left’s overreach on these matters. The right has proposed national bans on abortion, defense of marriage, that sort of thing, because the woke left pushed the issues into lunatic land.
What led to RvW being overturned was the left pushing to legalize abortion in the 9th month. What led to bathroom laws where you have to use the one you were born as, and don’t say gay laws, was the left’s absolutely insane forcing the issue affecting a tiny minority on all the rest of us, making us change our pronouns - lunacy!
The left is creating an authoritarian right backlash on these issues. If that’s what Michael means then he is correct but has only himself to blame if he votes for these insane far left Democrats.
But on economic issues the right is nowhere near totalitarian control of the economy, but on the contrary wants to loosen centralized control. Allow Keystone, allow drilling, cut regulations so the economy doesn’t suffocate, cut taxes to empower the middle and lower classes. All of this is the opposite of both far left communism and far right “fascism”.
The perfesser's drive bys are boring and redundant. Stop in, hurl some inane diatribe then flee, wash rinse repeat. He's not interested in debating, or even hearing another viewpoint, and this forum is not the only forum he does this at.
We have several liberal lurkers that we doing the same thing as well, but they've become silent after their gloating on FJB becoming president. They know there is no defense for what their party is doing to our country.
Not to worry, he'll be back eventually for yet another drive by.
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The perfesser's drive bys are boring and redundant. Stop in, hurl some inane diatribe then flee, wash rinse repeat. He's not interested in debating, or even hearing another viewpoint, and this forum is not the only forum he does this at.
We have several liberal lurkers that we doing the same thing as well, but they've become silent after their gloating on FJB becoming president. They know there is no defense for what their party is doing to our country.
Not to worry, he'll be back eventually for yet another drive by.
The only platform they have now is "Orange Man Bad". They're losing on the economy, the border, international relations, crime, and even cultural issues. They imagine most of the country is on board with they/them pronouns - they are wrong.
All they have is to bash Trump - a man no longer in office, and DeSantis as a Trump proxy - and call anyone who disagrees with them (half the country) fascist, racist, and domestic terrorist. They are so deluded they think this is a winning strategy. Or they know it isn't and are scrambling to fabricate an October surprise. They are losers, their leftist ideology (forced collectivism) is a perennial failure, history proves this, but they never learn.
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In his defense he is one and we are ten ganging up on him. Doesn’t mean we ten are wrong. I would like Michael to defend his position and explain why he thinks Meloni, Trump, and all MAGA supporters are “fascist”.
First we must start with the definition of fascism. Originally it was a “totalitarian political movement linked with corporatism”, especially as applied to Mussolini. Later racism and xenophobia were added as supposed features and I suspect this is what Michael thinks is the main definition and that it applies to anyone not far left.
Fascism is nationalistic in that it puts the importance of the state over the individual. This is supposedly the opposite of socialism (communism) but we know that in practice socialism and communism also put the state (collective) over the individual.
In the second half of the 19th century the vast empty western territories were up for grabs by the railroads, who competed to be the first to reach California. Two railroad moguls, General Palmer of the Denver & Rio Grande Railway, and William Barstow Strong, of the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe, were bitter rivals who hated each other, both racing to lay tracks over the Raton Pass at the border of Colorado and New Mexico to go south of the Rockies and on to the west coast, and to lay a track through the Royal Gorge along the canyon of the Arkansas river to access silver mines beyond. It was only wide enough for one track. For years these two men fought literal wars over these ambitions, at the worst point involving armed militias, as well as manipulating what legal authority there was in the territories to outmaneuver each other.
In the entire history of the United States there are probably no two men who hated each other more. But the reason they remained such well matched enemies is because they were exactly alike. Cut from the same cloth, they kept guessing each other’s moves, reading each other’s minds, showing up to thwart each other’s plans just in the nick of time.
This is communism(leftism) and fascism. Both are a system of privileged ruling elites putting themselves in centralized control of a population. The two are not opposites of each other but two faces of the same totalitarian evil. The current worldwide conservative-populist movement is what is opposite of them; it is opposed to centralized control, and favors returning power to more local levels. The left uses “fascism” as a pejorative to falsely paint this movement as something it is not.
I suspect that Michael and the left think the right in the U.S. is “fascist” because of their recent actions on issues like abortion and gay/trans. On these social issues they are correct, the right has overreacted to the left’s overreach on these matters. The right has proposed national bans on abortion, defense of marriage, that sort of thing, because the woke left pushed the issues into lunatic land.
What led to RvW being overturned was the left pushing to legalize abortion in the 9th month. What led to bathroom laws where you have to use the one you were born as, and don’t say gay laws, was the left’s absolutely insane forcing the issue affecting a tiny minority on all the rest of us, making us change our pronouns - lunacy!
The left is creating an authoritarian right backlash on these issues. If that’s what Michael means then he is correct but has only himself to blame if he votes for these insane far left Democrats.
But on economic issues the right is nowhere near totalitarian control of the economy, but on the contrary wants to loosen centralized control. Allow Keystone, allow drilling, cut regulations so the economy doesn’t suffocate, cut taxes to empower the middle and lower classes. All of this is the opposite of both far left communism and far right “fascism”.
I respect your opinion, but I don’t take kindly to sweeping indictments based on the color of my jersey, particularly when they are based on indefensible, caustic claims designed to impugn my and our integrity.
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I respect your opinion, but I don’t take kindly to sweeping indictments based on the color of my jersey, particularly when they are based on indefensible, caustic claims designed to impugn my and our integrity.
Oh, you’re talking about Michael’s sweeping indictments and my “defense” of him (such as it is). For a minute I thought you meant I was making sweeping indictments of team right. Sometimes I can be slow.
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The only platform they have now is "Orange Man Bad". They're losing on the economy, the border, international relations, crime, and even cultural issues. They imagine most of the country is on board with they/them pronouns - they are wrong.
All they have is to bash Trump - a man no longer in office, and DeSantis as a Trump proxy - and call anyone who disagrees with them (half the country) fascist, racist, and domestic terrorist. They are so deluded they think this is a winning strategy. Or they know it isn't and are scrambling to fabricate an October surprise. They are losers, their leftist ideology (forced collectivism) is a perennial failure, history proves this, but they never learn.
don't overlook the absolute panic/hysteria over R v W. This is one issue I'm hearing over and over and over
(no acknowledgement of the economy disaster we have....)
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don't overlook the absolute panic/hysteria over R v W. This is one issue I'm hearing over and over and over
(no acknowledgement of the economy disaster we have....)
No, they can’t talk about the economy other than to attempt to claim it’s humming along nicely. It’s fooling no one. It doesn’t look like RvW is going to save them in the midterms like they hoped. Polls aren’t showing it moved the needle much.
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Oh, you’re talking about Michael’s sweeping indictments and my “defense” of him (such as it is). For a minute I thought you meant I was making sweeping indictments of team right. Sometimes I can be slow.
Of course!
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For Steingar:
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Meloni… “She’s so frightening she actually believes in ending the European energy crisis… by going back to fossil fuels and nuclear energy; reliable base load power. … at least her country will have the lights on.”
-Mark Latham
THIS is what the left calls fascism.
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NEW HAVEN, CT — Philosophy professor and Fascism Expert James Stanley announced on Twitter that he had found fascism in America, Italy, Nigeria, and several other countries.
Stanley, the Ariel Urowsky Chair of Philosophy and Fascism at Yale, has called various groups of people "fascist" over the last several years, declaring that half of US citizens are fascists, particularly white men.
"Fascism is rampant in America," said Stanley, speaking freely from his perch as a professor at a university with a $42.3 billion dollar endowment. "Just because I call everyone I disagree with fascist," continued Stanley, "doesn't mean I think fascism just means ‘people you disagree with.' It's merely a coincidence."
Critics have pointed out that as Yale's resident fascism expert and an author on the topic, Stanley is incentivized to find as much fascism as possible. "Poppycock," responded Stanley. "Do I get paid based on how much fascism I find? Yes," said Stanley. "Do I get more invites to fancy cable shows and cocktail parties the more I call things fascist? Yes. But that doesn't mean I try to see fascism everywhere."
Yale's Associate Dean of Fascism, Janet Howell, said in a statement, "we have the utmost confidence in Stanley. No one knows fascism quite like him." Before calling this reporter fascist, Stanley announced that a release date had been set for his upcoming book, One Fascism, Two Fascism, Red Fascism, Blue Fascism published by Oxford Press.
https://babylonbee.com/news/fascism-expert-somehow-able-to-find-fascism-everywhere
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Meloni… “She’s so frightening she actually believes in ending the European energy crisis… by going back to fossil fuels and nuclear energy; reliable base load power. … at least her country will have the lights on.”
-Mark Latham
THIS is what the left calls fascism.
When all you have is racism, fascism, and sexism, it's always what you pull out of your quiver.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/fascism-expert-somehow-able-to-find-fascism-everywhere
New rule: put the Babylon Bee’s URL above a quote from the bee so I don’t have to read the whole clip and get pissed off because it sounds so accurate in today’s world.
Lol
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In other words, we are becoming california.
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yup
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This is how the DC’s see it.
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Liberals are stupid...
They just are.