Post by: Lucifer on October 01, 2022, 06:03:50 AM
Ukraine is demanding entry into NATO. This is a bad move.
Here at home our military has been severely weakened. Recruiting is down, military supplies have been depleted to such low levels that it will take years (during peacetime) to replenish. Top it off with our Strategic Oil Reserve at historic low levels.
Welcome to October, we are just a month away from an election that threatens to remove power from a tyrannical regime led by the democrat communist. They are desperate.
All of this adds up to a dire situation that can kick off any day now.
Post by: Number7 on October 01, 2022, 06:14:21 AM
Post by: Rush on October 01, 2022, 06:41:26 AM
We need to back the hell off, stop supporting Zelensky and let him negotiate giving the two Russophone regions to Putin, just keep Odessa. If I were him I'd make that compromise, I bet Putin would take it to save face at this point. Time to stop killing Ukrainian civilians and reluctant Russian soldiers. We do NOT need to get further involved, and now is NOT the time to admit Ukraine into NATO. We missed that window. Europe is in no position to deal with WW3. They stupidly went green and now have no reliable energy base, and are heading into major economic depression which is inevitable and will be global. This is the worst possible time for the U.S. to go warmongering into Europe. We are not the strong nation we were in the first half of the 20th century, and we have an empty shell pretending to be our "leader". Time to tell Ukraine, sorry, we did all we could, you're on your own now.
Post by: Lucifer on October 01, 2022, 11:13:47 AM
Of the billions in arms, we ship with zero accountability. Many of those arms are showing up on the black market around the world.
Like FJB, Zelensky is a tyrannical leader. Birds of a feather.
One can only imagine how wealthy all of these people are becoming at our expense. It’s sickening.
Post by: Rush on October 01, 2022, 11:38:38 AM
Like FJB, Zelensky is a tyrannical leader. Birds of a feather.
Zelensky is way sexier though, despite his faults. :D Of course being sexier than zero (Biden) is not saying much.
Post by: Lucifer on October 01, 2022, 12:49:32 PM
Zelensky is way sexier though, despite his faults. :D Of course being sexier than zero (Biden) is not saying much.
Zelensky is corrupt. He has jailed his opponents and shut down any media that doesn’t tow his narrative.
He’s rumored to now be worth billions, thanks in part to his buddy FJB. The US media paints this guy as some sort of hero. Remember Time magazine and their man of the year photo of Hitler? Or the NYT praising the Nazi regime?
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 01, 2022, 01:15:22 PM
.. Remember Time magazine and their man of the year photo of Hitler?
really?
google google google
wow - and the spin some put on it...
btw - I just love (<==== green font) how it's now referred to as "person of the year" even when discussing awards way back before it was changed...
Post by: Rush on October 01, 2022, 01:32:50 PM
Zelensky is corrupt. He has jailed his opponents and shut down any media that doesn’t tow his narrative.
He’s rumored to now be worth billions, thanks in part to his buddy FJB. The US media paints this guy as some sort of hero.
I am aware of all that. I am as disappointed in him as I am in Dan Crenshaw. They’re both still sexy though. It must be the toxic masculinity.
Seriously, I hope Zelensky kicks Russia’s ass (without us giving him more money) because I dislike Putin more, and Putin is not sexy at all!
Post by: Lucifer on October 01, 2022, 01:41:55 PM
I am aware of all that. I am as disappointed in him as I am in Dan Crenshaw. They’re both still sexy though. It must be the toxic masculinity.
Seriously, I hope Zelensky kicks Russia’s ass (without us giving him more money) because I dislike Putin more, and Putin is not sexy at all!
The best we can hope for is they cancel each other out.
But that won’t happen. This is a fuckin’ disaster, brought to everyone by the democrat communist. We should have never gotten involved, period. But here we are, and the money spicket is turned on full blast..
No putting the genie back in the bottle. The only way out is a negotiated cease fire, and FJB and Zelensky will prevent that.
Post by: Rush on October 01, 2022, 02:19:17 PM
The best we can hope for is they cancel each other out.
But that won’t happen. This is a fuckin’ disaster, brought to everyone by the democrat communist. We should have never gotten involved, period. But here we are, and the money spicket is turned on full blast..
No putting the genie back in the bottle. The only way out is a negotiated cease fire, and FJB and Zelensky will prevent that.
None of this would have happened if Trump were in the White House. I will never forgive the Dems for 2020.
Post by: nddons on October 01, 2022, 04:56:27 PM
None of this would have happened if Trump were in the White House. I will never forgive the Dems for 2020.^^^^BINGO^^^^
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 01, 2022, 05:55:38 PM
As to jailing or shutting down critics or opposition parties or potentially dangerous minorities, something similar was done in the U.S. by government leaders in both WWI and WWII.
Zelensky's corruption is only marginal when compared to a lot of world leaders. All in my humble opinion of course.
Post by: Rush on October 01, 2022, 06:41:01 PM
When a larger country invades a smaller one that everyone on both sides knows is going to be won by the big guy, the head of the little country has traditionally fled, particularly if they are corrupt.
As to jailing or shutting down critics or opposition parties or potentially dangerous minorities, something similar was done in the U.S. by government leaders in both WWI and WWII.
Zelensky's corruption is only marginal when compared to a lot of world leaders. All in my humble opinion of course.
Him not fleeing is what makes him attractive. Him jailing critics pissed me off. I understood he is considered corrupt but not to the extent of his predecessors. However, I really have no idea. I was in a game today that has international players and there’s a lot of interesting perspective in chat if you can stand the vulgarities and insults. Anyhoo somebody was talking about how Zelensky was put into power by an Oligarch (kept misspelling that, I don’t think English was their first language. They may have even been Ukrainian) and how corrupt he is. But my issue isn’t that so much as we simply can’t afford to fund their war. He could be a saint, it doesn’t matter. We can’t keep sending him money or spending money arming him. That plus the extreme domestic spending bill (the INFLATION bill), plus killing our energy sector plus lockdown damage, it’s killing us, we can’t do it.
I’ve listened to the other side, the side that thinks we need to continue doing everything we can to help Ukraine fight Russia and they talk about if Russia wins then that empowers China and so on, but they fail to mention the situation we are facing here at home and how funding Ukraine is only worsening that. We are decaying from within and pretty deep already in a cold civil war. That’s not a good position from which to start getting involved in world wars.
Post by: Steingar on October 04, 2022, 09:12:49 AM
Only here would the corrupt autocrat of a giant country be rooted for against a smaller democracy. Only here.
Post by: Number7 on October 04, 2022, 09:25:00 AM
Stop pretending to know anything about anything. Your rants are becoming as predictable as they are dishonest and boring.
Post by: Rush on October 04, 2022, 09:27:33 AM
You guys are such fucking idiots. Zelensky was a fucking TV comedian before he got himself elected President of Ukraine. He's rich, he could have fled and lived large just about anywhere, he had the money. He chose to stay despite an uncertain future, and has lead his people to victory after victory. I hope the Ukrainians win and get back ALL of their territory.
Only here would the corrupt autocrat of a giant country be rooted for against a smaller democracy. Only here.
Don’t include me in that! I said him not fleeing is what I like. And I am in no way rooting for Russia! I too hope they win and get back all their territory but realistically I think Zelensky may end up having to compromise. And just because I don’t want to keep sending him money doesn’t mean I’m on Russia’s side. Good Lord.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 04, 2022, 09:44:13 AM
You guys are such fucking idiots. Zelensky was a fucking TV comedian before he got himself elected President of Ukraine. He's rich, he could have fled and lived large just about anywhere, he had the money. He chose to stay despite an uncertain future, and has lead his people to victory after victory. I hope the Ukrainians win and get back ALL of their territory.
Only here would the corrupt autocrat of a giant country be rooted for against a smaller democracy. Only here.
boy, you sure put everyone in their place... with your wit, wow, your* just awesome
*a typo just to make you feel more comfortable
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2022, 09:52:19 AM
You guys are such fucking idiots. Zelensky was a fucking TV comedian before he got himself elected President of Ukraine. He's rich, he could have fled and lived large just about anywhere, he had the money. He chose to stay despite an uncertain future, and has lead his people to victory after victory. I hope the Ukrainians win and get back ALL of their territory.
I find it amazing that a party that took such pride as being the "anti war" party are now trying to push us into WW3.
Apparently you have no problem with pumping billions of our tax dollars into a corrupt country with a corrupt leader while our citizens are hurting here at home. Right now the US is paying to operate the Ukraine government, and paying it's retirees as well. We are also pumping arms and ammunition into this country with zero accountability, while depleting our reserves to record lows. And many of those arms? They're now showing up in black markets.
Finally, isn't it amazing that Zelensky's wealth has skyrocketed during this war? Ever ask "how?"
Only here would the corrupt autocrat of a giant country be rooted for against a smaller democracy. Only here.
Please show where any one here has "rooted" for Putin. Please, I'll wait.
Post by: Mase on October 04, 2022, 10:02:58 AM
Post by: Number7 on October 04, 2022, 10:09:08 AM
Rooting for Russia? Um, nope.
professor triple zero IQ is pretending to refer to the legitimate PRESIDENT Donald Trump, not the fuckbag, imposter, senile pedo joe biden.
Post by: Rush on October 04, 2022, 10:15:32 AM
Rooting for Russia? Um, nope.
The left makes a delusional connection between Trump 2016 pee in the bed Russia Russia stole the election -----> Trump voters are pro Russia and want Russia to beat Ukraine.
The premise is completely false. And so is the conclusion.
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 04, 2022, 10:22:16 AM
Finally, isn't it amazing that Zelensky's wealth has skyrocketed during this war? Ever ask "how?"
My modest attempts to determine his wealth came up empty. Well, not empty but of such a huge range as to be useless. The competing propaganda makes any attempt along those lines somewhat futile - or a deep rabbit hole.
I'm afraid I have to dismiss the issue of wealth as secondary or even irrelevant and look to more useful metrics. As a leader he seems to be doing well: He has cajoled the west into backing his fight and the armed forces appear to have been effective. Unknown how efficient, though, because there is a blackout on combat losses.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 04, 2022, 10:25:48 AM
Leaps to assume positions of people in discussion that said people don’t hold.
Whole-hearted debate might reveal a flaw in his reasoning (if indeed reasoning it can be called), so BLAM!!! He blows up the auditorium so he doesn’t have to discuss anything meaningful with those therein.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on October 04, 2022, 10:27:52 AM
My modest attempts to determine his wealth came up empty. Well, not empty but of such a huge range as to be useless. The competing propaganda makes any attempt along those lines somewhat futile - or a deep rabbit hole.
I'm afraid I have to dismiss the issue of wealth as secondary or even irrelevant and look to more useful metrics. As a leader he seems to be doing well: He has cajoled the west into backing his fight and the armed forces appear to have been effective. Unknown how efficient, though, because there is a blackout on combat losses.
Controlling public opinion, and thus the flow of money, by suppressing truth and creating a narrative is very effective. I don’t know how we can ever achieve a channel of truth to the people.
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2022, 10:59:43 AM
My modest attempts to determine his wealth came up empty. Well, not empty but of such a huge range as to be useless. The competing propaganda makes any attempt along those lines somewhat futile - or a deep rabbit hole.
I'm afraid I have to dismiss the issue of wealth as secondary or even irrelevant and look to more useful metrics. As a leader he seems to be doing well: He has cajoled the west into backing his fight and the armed forces appear to have been effective. Unknown how efficient, though, because there is a blackout on combat losses.
Zelensky is corrupt. He has jailed his opponents and censored media. Hardly what we would call a fair and balanced leader. ::)
His "cajoled" to get the west to back his fight, as well as have the US pay all of his government expenses, and we are still paying, even though our country has more need for that money. Our government is borrowing and printing money and giving it to Ukraine with zero accountability, and this with the knowledge that Ukraine has held the record as one of the most corrupt countries of the world.
I don't support getting involved in this war, and ending up holding the bag. Europe has more interest in this war than the US, yet here we are. We are on the brink of a global war by involving ourselves, and everyone stands to lose because of it.
Post by: nddons on October 04, 2022, 11:47:26 AM
You guys are such fucking idiots. Zelensky was a fucking TV comedian before he got himself elected President of Ukraine. He's rich, he could have fled and lived large just about anywhere, he had the money. He chose to stay despite an uncertain future, and has lead his people to victory after victory. I hope the Ukrainians win and get back ALL of their territory.Wow, that’s rich. Not wanting to get into a proxy war with the largest nuclear power on the planet is now siding with Putin? Are you fucking nuts?
Only here would the corrupt autocrat of a giant country be rooted for against a smaller democracy. Only here.
Or do support Biden’s potential act of war against Russia when he threatened to take out the Nord Stream 2 pipeline?
Don’t believe me? Watch this 50 second clip.
https://www.newsweek.com/video-biden-saying-end-nord-stream-resurfaces-after-pipeline-leak-1747005
Post by: Lucifer on October 04, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
Looks like the perfesser is in the bottle again........... ::) ;)
Post by: Steingar on October 04, 2022, 01:04:45 PM
professor triple zero IQ is pretending to refer to the legitimate PRESIDENT Donald Trump, not the fuckbag, imposter, senile pedo joe biden.
The funny thing about the triple digit IQ. 100 is a triple digit number for those of you not in the know about these things. An IQ of 100 is average intelligence. Thus me bragging about a triple digit IQ was I thought a rather sly put down, and Number 7 was so fucking stupid that he doesn't get it to this day. A really fun apocryphal story to tell about this stupid site.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 04, 2022, 01:07:34 PM
Post by: Rush on October 04, 2022, 01:09:01 PM
The funny thing about the triple digit IQ. 100 is a triple digit number for those of you not in the know about these things. An IQ of 100 is average intelligence. Thus me bragging about a triple digit IQ was I thought a rather sly put down, and Number 7 was so fucking stupid that he doesn't get it to this day. A really fun apocryphal story to tell about this stupid site.
I prefer standard deviations. Average is zero SDs if I recall from college days.
Post by: Username on October 04, 2022, 01:18:52 PM
I prefer standard deviations. Average is zero SDs if I recall from college days.Exactly. Average IQ is defined as 1 SD from 100, or between 85 and 115. I am very sure that everyone here (well, almost) is WAY above average in intelligence, wisdom, and overall looks.
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 04, 2022, 03:54:52 PM
Anyway, the main three sources I visit daily or more to get my fix:
https://deepstatemap.live/en# (https://deepstatemap.live/en#)
https://www.understandingwar.org/ (https://www.understandingwar.org/)
The "Reporting from Ukraine" Youtube channel provides short to-the-point updates with specific tactical level movements that must be coming from someone near the front-line. This is the latest update which gives an idea of the coverage provided:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWqdjPfae3k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWqdjPfae3k)
Edited to add one more Youtube channel - mostly because the guy is an airline pilot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9XJHECd5A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9XJHECd5A)
Post by: Rush on October 04, 2022, 05:51:59 PM
Following the Russian-Ukraine war from a safe distance is a vice I may have earned from my youth when I played Avalon Hill board games. This so much reminds me of the first such game I used to play with my oldest brother: "Stalingrad". The terrain is so familiar.
Anyway, the main three sources I visit daily or more to get my fix:
https://deepstatemap.live/en# (https://deepstatemap.live/en#)
https://www.understandingwar.org/ (https://www.understandingwar.org/)
The "Reporting from Ukraine" Youtube channel provides short to-the-point updates with specific tactical level movements that must be coming from someone near the front-line. This is the latest update which gives an idea of the coverage provided:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWqdjPfae3k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWqdjPfae3k)
Edited to add one more Youtube channel - mostly because the guy is an airline pilot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9XJHECd5A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9XJHECd5A)
Thanks! I've been wanting some sources to update me on Ukraine.
Post by: nddons on October 04, 2022, 06:39:49 PM
Following the Russian-Ukraine war from a safe distance is a vice I may have earned from my youth when I played Avalon Hill board games. This so much reminds me of the first such game I used to play with my oldest brother: "Stalingrad". The terrain is so familiar.Cool stuff! I’l Look into it.
Anyway, the main three sources I visit daily or more to get my fix:
https://deepstatemap.live/en# (https://deepstatemap.live/en#)
https://www.understandingwar.org/ (https://www.understandingwar.org/)
The "Reporting from Ukraine" Youtube channel provides short to-the-point updates with specific tactical level movements that must be coming from someone near the front-line. This is the latest update which gives an idea of the coverage provided:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWqdjPfae3k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWqdjPfae3k)
Edited to add one more Youtube channel - mostly because the guy is an airline pilot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9XJHECd5A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV9XJHECd5A)
Post by: bflynn on October 05, 2022, 03:35:42 AM
Only here would the corrupt autocrat of a giant country be rooted for against a smaller democracy. Only here.
Just one more point, your projection is misplaced. Republicans don’t trust that Democrats aren’t just giving money away, but to interpolate they must therefore be in favor of Putin because Orange Man Bad is a false leap of logic.
Sad that you’ve bought into the bitter hatred and therefore missed the opportunity to ask if Republicans might be right about the lack of accountability.
Post by: Anthony on October 05, 2022, 04:14:37 AM
Post by: Rush on October 05, 2022, 08:01:59 AM
Cool stuff! I’l Look into it.
It really is. I’ve been craving sites that just get right to the strategic maps without fluff and melodrama.
Post by: Rush on October 05, 2022, 08:35:45 AM
Just one more point, your projection is misplaced. Republicans don’t trust that Democrats aren’t just giving money away, but to interpolate they must therefore be in favor of Putin because Orange Man Bad is a false leap of logic.
Sad that you’ve bought into the bitter hatred and therefore missed the opportunity to ask if Republicans might be right about the lack of accountability.
You know how when you watch a movie and two parties are in conflict you are rooting for one side or the other? Or maybe a sports event? It’s not a choice, it’s an emotion arising from within. Looking at Stan’s links with the little icons of Russian enemies and arrows showing who is pushing where, I found myself strongly rooting for the Ukrainians. I’m actually a bit offended someone could think I’d root for the Russians.
What makes me against the Russians almost as much as that they are the aggressors against Ukraine, is that their soldiers are being used as fodder, thrown into a meat grinder. It would be different if the Russian soldiers were fighting for what they believed was a just cause, but that’s not the case. Putin is not only abusing the Ukrainians, he is abusing his own people, which is unforgivable.
Post by: nddons on October 05, 2022, 09:39:38 AM
You know how when you watch a movie and two parties are in conflict you are rooting for one side or the other? Or maybe a sports event? It’s not a choice, it’s an emotion arising from within. Looking at Stan’s links with the little icons of Russian enemies and arrows showing who is pushing where, I found myself strongly rooting for the Ukrainians. I’m actually a bit offended someone could think I’d root for the Russians.Those were Jim Logajan’s links.
What makes me against the Russians almost as much as that they are the aggressors against Ukraine, is that their soldiers are being used as fodder, thrown into a meat grinder. It would be different if the Russian soldiers were fighting for what they believed was a just cause, but that’s not the case. Putin is not only abusing the Ukrainians, he is abusing his own people, which is unforgivable.
But I agree with you. I’m pulling for the Ukrainians as well, both because there is no need for this aggression, and that they are the underdogs.
My relatives are from Poland and Lithuania. Both sets of relatives suffered under the Russians, some more seriously than others, including one great grandmother sent off to Siberia.
That Steingar would implicate those of us against joining a proxy war against a nuclear power as supporting Russia reflects the shallow, ignorant and frankly evil thinking of contemporary democrats.
Post by: Rush on October 05, 2022, 10:22:32 AM
Those were Jim Logajan’s links.
Doh! I knew that. Then obviously I forgot it as I was responding to your response. My mind is a steel sieve.
Post by: Steingar on October 06, 2022, 10:22:00 AM
Post by: Number7 on October 06, 2022, 10:24:16 AM
Ukraine is NOT a Democracy. Neither is the United States. We are a Constitutional Representative REPUBLIC. More like a Confederacy of SOVEREIGN STATES.
I know I shouldn't be, but sometimes mikey's ignorance astounds me.
Post by: Number7 on October 06, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
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Post by: Lucifer on October 06, 2022, 12:08:09 PM
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So once again, incapable of presenting a sane argument to back up your claim?
Post by: Number7 on October 06, 2022, 01:02:20 PM
So once again, incapable of presenting a sane argument to back up your claim?
There are no sane arguments that can be made.
In the minds of the mikey's of the world, we are so beneath them that we shouldn't be allowed to use oxygen.
The level of selfishness, ignorance, arrogance and condescending bullshit is enough to strangle a battleship.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on October 06, 2022, 01:22:28 PM
Post by: Jim Logajan on October 06, 2022, 10:25:07 PM
Post by: Lucifer on October 07, 2022, 06:19:44 AM
My my my.................
Post by: nddons on October 09, 2022, 02:28:32 PM
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Post by: Anthony on October 09, 2022, 05:05:15 PM
Remember how the left and their lap dog media were warning everybody before the 2016 election that this "madman" Trump would get us into WW3?
My my my.................
They keep projecting and projecting, don't they?