PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: nddons on November 06, 2022, 11:09:06 PM
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Disses the most popular conservative governor in the US 4 days before a critical midterm election.
What a dick move. He is so undisciplined. It’s all about him.
Trump Launches Attack On Ron DeSantis Ahead Of Midterm Election
https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-launches-attack-on-ron-desantis-ahead-of-midterm-election-takes-swipe-at-ted-cruz
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I’m still in PTSD from Election Day 2020. I can’t bear another roller coaster, especially when injured and helpless.
I do know this. It was never about one man. It always has been, is now, and will always be about the people against the corruption in government. It’s on us to battle our way forward to better leaders and to become change agents ourselves, and to fight without folding to protect our vote and our freedom and our country.
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I’m still in PTSD from Election Day 2020. I can’t bear another roller coaster, especially when injured and helpless.
I do know this. It was never about one man. It always has been, is now, and will always be about the people against the corruption in government. It’s on us to battle our way forward to better leaders and to become change agents ourselves, and to fight without folding to protect our vote and our freedom and our country.
Which is why I believe he has to be defeated in the general. While he advanced the most conservative agenda in my lifetime, I believe a Trump 2.0 will be about petty retribution, not the country. And certainly not the party or the conservative movement, as evidenced by this comment 4 days before a landmark midterm election.
I pray that DeSantis runs even if Trump runs. That’s not the current thinking, but I believe DeSantis can win the general.
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Last night Trump spoke in Florida and said they have to re-elect Rubio and DeSantis.
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People intent on finding something, anything to attack Donald Trump will find it and satisfy their loathing.
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Unless the people of the world rise up en masse and eradicate the perpetrators of these steals, we are indeed dead.
https://voxday.net/2022/11/07/usa-1776-2032/
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People intent on finding something, anything to attack Donald Trump will find it and satisfy their loathing.
You don’t do that. You know I supported trump, but he’s no longer thinking about the country. It’s always all about him, even if he pours gasoline on the conservative candidates who don’t bow on bended knee to him.
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The thing is, the way President Trump is portrayed I’m never surprised used when people use any pretext whatsoever to attack him.
Blah, blah, blah… Donald Trump said something mean!
Donald Trump put out a mean tweet.
Donald Trump THOUGHT something mean.
I don’t give a shit because the people tearing him down aren’t a tenth the man he is.
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And they claim that he's a fascist white supremacist nazi racist. Yet they can't cite any direct quote in context to illustrate their point. I'm so tired of all the bullshit.
I do like the summary (and I don't remember where I heard it)
Republicans take Trump seriously but not literally.
Democrats take Trump literally but not seriously.
Anyone have a survival guide for Tuesday? I'm turning off all news sources until Wednesday. Except you fine folks, of course.
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The thing is, the way President Trump is portrayed I’m never surprised used when people use any pretext whatsoever to attack him.
Blah, blah, blah… Donald Trump waylaid something mean!
Donald Trump put out a mean tweet.
Donald Trump THOUGHT something mean.
I don’t give a shit because the people tearing him down aren’t a tenth the man he is.
I don’t owe anyone any proof of my support of Trump. Everyone here knows it, including you.
But I’m going to call bullshit when I hear it, and damaging the top alternative to Trump 4 days before a mid-term election and DeSantis’ re-election is bullshit, and is destructive to our movement.
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I don’t owe anyone any proof of my support of Trump. Everyone here knows it, including you.
But I’m going to call bullshit when I hear it, and damaging the top alternative to Trump 4 days before a mid-term election and DeSantis’ re-election is bullshit, and is destructive to our movement.
...and only squishy moderates and pathetic democrats will actually care.
The rest is bullshit an d lies used to divide the voters and try and squeeze communist democrats in ahead of humans.
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I like Trump but I think his time has passed. Yes, he should still be President right now! The Dems stole this election and we all know how.
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And they claim that he's a fascist white supremacist nazi racist. Yet they can't cite any direct quote in context to illustrate their point. I'm so tired of all the bullshit.
I do like the summary (and I don't remember where I heard it)
Republicans take Trump seriously but not literally.
Democrats take Trump literally but not seriously.
Anyone have a survival guide for Tuesday? I'm turning off all news sources until Wednesday. Except you fine folks, of course.
It’s the lies I can’t stand. We’re living a lie.
I haven’t looked anywhere online today but here. Still shell shocked from 2020 and refuse to put myself through that again. Of course I’m hobbling around with my wrist in a cast and can’t do anything but fret and pray. I’ll match your “waiting until Wednesday” strategy. But after Brazil, I’m afraid we’ll just see steals everywhere.
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Disses the most popular conservative governor in the US 4 days before a critical midterm election.
What a dick move. He is so undisciplined. It’s all about him.
Trump Launches Attack On Ron DeSantis Ahead Of Midterm Election
https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-launches-attack-on-ron-desantis-ahead-of-midterm-election-takes-swipe-at-ted-cruz
He’s always made dick moves and of course it’s all about him, he’s a narcissist, as are all politicians. You have to be, to want to manipulate the system at a high level and affect everyone else’s life. If you are lucky, and we were with Trump, their grandiosity is served by making positive changes benefitting their subjects.
His legacy is Make America Great Again. He saw a desperately broken system and said, “What is the biggest project I can accomplish that will elevate ME to rock star status and ensure I go down in history for a thousand years? I know! I will completely upend the bloated, corrupt U.S. government (drain the swamp) and restore the magnificent prosperity that once made America a near perfect union.”
This was way outside the dreams or efforts of any other politician, certainly the ones in play for the presidency. The Dems told us to accept decay as “the new normal” and padded their own bank accounts. The Reps failed to do anything meaningful and padded their own bank accounts.
Trump isn’t perfect. No one is. He was an idiot to dis DeSantis. I don’t know wtf he was thinking. They say he might announce at the rally tonight, which will be STUPID STUPID STUPID - the bad side of his narcissism, making tomorrow’s news about him instead of the midterm wins - and possibly risking some of those wins to boot.
But he is cunning, charismatic and powerful. Meaning he can actually accomplish his project, he’s proved it once. And if his project is what betters OUR lives, what do we care if it was a narcissistic dick that brought it about?
The question is, can he or will he do it again? I don’t think you’re right he will only be about petty retribution. He will do that certainly and no one deserves to more. But he will not abandon the original project. He kept his promises the first time and he means to continue keeping them.
But he is getting up in age. His filter will only get worse. He may suffer from insidious cognitive malfunction as do we all as the years advance. (Shut up. Yes, all of us. That’s the insidious part.) That’s the only reason I would consider not voting for him. As of now I am undecided. We have two more years to go.
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Trump Celebrates Republicans LOSING Key U.S. Senate Race
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-trump-celebrates-republicans-losing-key-u-s-senate-race
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Trump Celebrates Republicans LOSING Key U.S. Senate Race
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-trump-celebrates-republicans-losing-key-u-s-senate-race
It's all about him. Is that guy a RINO?
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More Trump threats to DeSantis:
"I don't know if he is running. I think if he runs, he could hurt himself very badly. I really believe he could hurt himself badly," Trump said, according to Fox News. "I think he would be making a mistake, I think the base would not like it — I don't think it would be good for the party."
"I don't know if he runs. If he runs, he runs," Trump went on to say. "I would tell you things about him that won't be very flattering — I know more about him than anybody — other than, perhaps, his wife."
https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-unflattering-information-florida-ron-desantis-2024-2022-11
Fucking pussy.
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reverse psychology?
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More dick moves from Trump:
Trump took to Truth Social to diminish DeSantis’ accomplishment Wednesday.
“Now that the Election in Florida is over, and everything went quite well, shouldn’t it be said that in 2020, I got 1.1 Million more votes in Florida than Ron D got this year, 5.7 Million to 4.6 Million? Just asking?”
Trump’s statement elides key context, including the reality that more people vote in presidential election years than other cycles.
But for those looking for evidence that Trump feels pressure from the freshly re-elected Florida Governor, the Truth Social post offered yet another slice of proof.
Trump, despite endorsing DeSantis and claiming to have voted for him Tuesday, continues to go negative on the Governor.
Trump derided DeSantis on NewsNation and Fox News in reports that ran Election Day. He recycled his claim that he carried DeSantis to the Governor’s Mansion in 2018 and threatened to spill secrets about the Governor should DeSantis run in 2024.
“He was not going to be able to even be a factor in the race. And as soon as I endorsed him, within moments, the race was over,” Trump said. “I got him the nomination. He didn’t get it. I got it, because the minute I made that endorsement, he got it.”
“Then he ran, and he wasn’t supposed to be able to win,” Trump said, describing the Governor’s race against Democrat Andrew Gillum. “I did two rallies, we had 52,000 people each one and he won. I thought that he could have been more gracious. But that’s up to him.”
“I would tell you things about him that won’t be very flattering — I know more about him than anybody — other than, perhaps, his wife,” Trump added, per Fox News.
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/570873-donald-trump-continues-shots-at-ron-desantis-says-he-got-more-votes-in-florida-than-the-governor/
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Trump is looking for offense where there is none. He’s insisting that DeSantis’ only answer should have been “no.” Well who the fuck does Trump thinks he is?
“And now, Ron DeSanctimonious is playing games! The Fake News asks him if he's going to run if President Trump runs, and he says, 'I'm only focused on the Governor's race, I'm not looking into the future.' Well, in terms of loyalty and class, that's really not the right answer,"
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-desantis-is-average-governor-playing-games-around-2024-run-2022-11
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And more today! His ego knows no bounds.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/11/10/trump-slams-ron-desanctimonious-in-new-post-election-statement-n657413
And Va Lt Gov Sears nails it.
https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2022/11/10/winsome-sears-says-she-could-not-support-trump-2024-candidacy-n657324
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In brilliant 4-D chess move, Trump disses Ron DeSantis, thus transferring all MAGA loyalty from himself to DeSantis, and ensuring a DeSantis win in 2024, so he can relax and enjoy golf in retirement secure in the knowledge that DeSantis will restore America’s greatness. The most genius kingmaker move yet!
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In brilliant 4-D chess move, Trump disses Ron DeSantis, thus transferring all MAGA loyalty from himself to DeSantis, and ensuring a DeSantis win in 2024, so he can relax and enjoy golf in retirement secure in the knowledge that DeSantis will restore America’s greatness. The most genius kingmaker move yet!
You didn’t put the link to the Babylon Bee for that quote. Lol
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This article came out today. I literally could have written it myself. This is why Ron DeSantis is the right man for 2024.
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DeSantis, on the other hand, possesses an indispensable quality that Trump lacked: discipline. That does not mean that he is a Romney-style pushover. It means that when he attacks, he does so calmly, effectively, with laser-like focus, and at a place and time of his choosing. He controls the narrative, and he forces them to respond to him, not vice versa. He takes nothing personal and continually forces the media conversation back towards policy. He pulls his punches until he knows he will connect. And when he connects, they feel it for the next month.
Trump was inexplicably naïve about the Deep State, often criticizing it but never fully grasping the power of the leviathan he was up against. DeSantis could enter office with no illusions, and could use his mandate as an opportunity to completely gut, reform, and/or discard agencies running as their own self-contained governments.
DeSantis is not a NeverTrumper. He is heir to the movement, evolved and retooled to meet the needs of the moment. With DeSantis, we get Trumpian policy achievements without the Trumpian baggage train. DeSantis’s handling of COVID lockdowns, federal overreach, parental rights, hurricane disasters, and the Florida economy shows he can govern effectively and deliver tangible results. His PR victory over Disney and his public exposé of the Martha Vineyard hypocrites shows he can mop the floor with the Left in the culture wars.
We should do our utmost to avoid a bloody primary which leaves the eventual winner with a Pyrrhic victory, securing the nomination but too damaged to beat the Democrat. Don’t mistake the dearth of quality candidates on their side as a source of comfort. True, their current roster is indeed abysmal. They’ve scraped the bottom of the septic tank and, as of now, can only dredge up Harris, Newsom, Buttigieg, and Pritzker as possible replacements in the event that Biden is gently escorted offstage to the Play Doh table. But we can’t place all our eggs in the basket of a candidate who might be able to win crucial swing states by a few thousand votes each. We need a strong, disciplined conservative to emerge early, who is capable of uniting broad swathes of the electorate, and whose margins of victory are so wide that any doubt about the mandate from the voters, much less the integrity of the election, won’t even be issues.
On November 15th, Trump is expected to announce his intent to run. When DeSantis announces is anyone’s guess, but he’ll probably continue to wisely hold his cards close to his chest for the foreseeable future. It’s also prudent of DeSantis to continue to not respond to Trump’s insults, which are clearly meant to draw him into a family feud that can only diminish DeSantis while keeping the attention on Trump.
Trump should be president right now. But he isn’t. We can make 2024 about 2020, as Trump insists on doing, or we can move on. If we play our cards right, we can make DeSantis a two-term president with congressional majorities whose accomplishments will have outshone even those of Ronald Reagan. Or we could try to “own” the libs again with a Trump candidacy that stands no chance of winning. The choice is ours.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/11/desantis_in_2024.html
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This is an interesting debate that isn't relevant to me. I'm voting for whoever becomes the Libertarian presidential candidate.
Just hope Vladimir Putin doesn't switch nationalities and parties to American Libertarian and becomes the candidate, otherwise I'm screwed. Maybe we'll get someone sane and decent like Vermin Supreme.
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This article came out today. I literally could have written it myself. This is why Ron DeSantis is the right man for 2024.
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We need a strong, disciplined conservative to emerge early, who is capable of uniting broad swathes of the electorate, and whose margins of victory are so wide that any doubt about the mandate from the voters, much less the integrity of the election, won’t even be issues.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/11/desantis_in_2024.html
The wide margins of victory DeSantis got in Florida will not translate to nationwide.
Otherwise, some good points but I’m still not ready to abandon Trump and trust DeSantis. Trump has a proven track record of keeping promises. DeSantis remains to be seen. His wins on handling of Covid, hurricanes and wokeness in schools is opportunistic dealing with issues as they arose, not keeping campaign promises.
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You didn’t put the link to the Babylon Bee for that quote. Lol
The Babylon Bee? I was being serious. ;)
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If I were DeSantis, I would skip 2024, let Trump move ahead and get beat again by Biden and then go in 2028. He can say, I was ready in 2024 but didn't want to get in Trump's way. Now we need someone that can get elected.
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If I were DeSantis, I would skip 2024, let Trump move ahead and get beat again by Biden and then go in 2028. He can say, I was ready in 2024 but didn't want to get in Trump's way. Now we need someone that can get elected.
Not sure that's the right move. That's a great way to get Kneepads Harris appointed president when everyone finally realizes that FJB is past his expiration date.
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If I were DeSantis, I would skip 2024, let Trump move ahead and get beat again by Biden and then go in 2028. He can say, I was ready in 2024 but didn't want to get in Trump's way. Now we need someone that can get elected.
Do we need to go ANOTHER 4 years with a democrat after Trump loses again? My retirement can’t afford that.
And, it’s foolish to presume the electorate would give us two candidates from the same party back to back. It’s happened only twice in the past 100 years.
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https://twitter.com/thewillwitt/status/1590885626252926976?t=WUiEWgVZRdgXecgt-iuDJA&s=07
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We have disagreed about a lot of issues but you falling hook, line, and sinker for the coordinated never trump faction is just a bit too far.
What you’re doing isn’t about gullibility.
It’s outright stupidity.
Unless you really do think winning 173 out of 184 total endorsements, even after all the fraud, is failure, which makes you even worse than stupid.
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If I were DeSantis, I would skip 2024, let Trump move ahead and get beat again by Biden and then go in 2028. He can say, I was ready in 2024 but didn't want to get in Trump's way. Now we need someone that can get elected.
That’s what’s expected by most, at east until DeSantis makes any hint of running in 2024 which he has not yet to my knowledge. If you can believe the polls, Trump owns the Republican nomination. DeSantis knows he’d lose the nomination this time around. But that is as of now, a lot can change in two years. If Trump keeps making offensive comments against DeSantis his popularity may slip.
But keep in mind that Trump’s insane unpredictability is one of his strengths. He got along well with Putin but made it clear he’d drop a bomb on his head if Russia invaded Ukraine. He met with Kim Jong-Un and opened relations- an historic move - and again, turned around and threatened nuclear annihilation if NK dared push the button first.
It is very Trump to make friends and then verbally reiterate his alpha status in said relationship.
Just like Kirk in “Mirror, Mirror.” A crewman saves his life demonstrating his loyalty to Kirk and this happens:
Suddenly, one of Chekov's men turns against him, taking his weapon and shooting another. Kirk throws his final assailant and he gets zapped into molecules too. The turbolift opens and two armed men come out.)
MAN: Your men, Captain. Easy, Farrell. I did your job. Ask the captain.
FARRELL: Sir?
KIRK: Yes, he did your job.
FARRELL: Smart boy, switching to the top dog.
KIRK: Get him out of here.
MAN: Mister Chekov was going to make me a chief. You could make me an officer.
KIRK: All right. You're working for me.
MAN: A commission?
KIRK: You're in line. You might even make captain.
MAN: Yes, sir.
(Kirk punches him.)
KIRK: Not on my ship.
The only video I could find of it, and it’s horrible:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9BUV9mZ2Ts
That’s Trump. And it may eventually be his downfall. It’s not a democracy on the Enterprise, Kirk rules absolutely, but he is a benevolent dictator. One could argue that a benevolent dictatorship is the best form of government. Rule by the people always seems to degenerate into mob rule by parasites, although it’s more difficult in our representative republic. But we clearly see it happening anyway, all they needed was a pandemic to usher in mail in voting, which opened the floodgates to cheating and may have effectively ended our democracy with a small “d”. We had a red trickle but if they continue fortifying key election districts it may be impossible to ever elect a non-Democrat president and we will have officially becomes a one party state.
Trump insulting and threatening DeSantis is simply Kirk punching the guy that just flipped to his side. “Thanks for being on my side but don’t even dream of supplanting my dominance.”
It’s pissing people off but it kept us out of war for four years.
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https://twitter.com/thewillwitt/status/1590885626252926976?t=WUiEWgVZRdgXecgt-iuDJA&s=07
Some of the comments are thought provoking. Such as, “have you considered that maybe Trump knows something we don’t?” And, “this is just normal primary wrestling, with Trump giving DeSantis an opportunity to distance himself from Trump in preparation for handing the reigns over to someone younger.” And “the left wants us to tear each other apart.”
That last one would give me pause before I abandon Trump over one or two comments knowing that I don’t know the whole story behind why he did that. None of you know it either.
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All excellent points. Good thoughtful reading.
We’re not yet in a place where I’ll declare fealty to any person. I never declared fealty to Trump— it’s not in my nature to put trust in a human. Blind loyalty is partly why we’re in this mess.
Speaking of “fortifying” elections, Rush, something is being fortified at Maricopa. Sheriff’s snipers on the roof, sidewalks barricaded, and Penske rental trucks coming and going.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/wth-sheriffs-deputies-surround-maricopa-county-tabulation-center-perched-roof-barricades-fence-set-around-perimeter/
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All excellent points. Good thoughtful reading.
We’re not yet in a place where I’ll declare fealty to any person. I never declared fealty to Trump— it’s not in my nature to put trust in a human. Blind loyalty is partly why we’re in this mess.
Speaking of “fortifying” elections, Rush, something is being fortified at Maricopa. Sheriff’s snipers on the roof, sidewalks barricaded, and Penske rental trucks coming and going.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/11/wth-sheriffs-deputies-surround-maricopa-county-tabulation-center-perched-roof-barricades-fence-set-around-perimeter/
They are cheating like hell to keep Lake out. She vowed to fix Arizona’s election process and that would end the Dems power there, AZ would become like Florida. And they know Lake is prime president material. They are desperate to deny her administrative experience. They probably fear her more than DeSantis as a future presidential candidate. She’s more MAGA. I’d trust her over DeSantis any day.
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I’d trust her over DeSantis any day.
From watching some of her speeches and her past I tend to agree with you. But I do have to color that with what DeSantis has to put up with in Florida with Trump.
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I just don’t understand why he’s doing this. Sounds like he has a need to feel I,portent and feed his ego but this will backfire on him if he keeps at it.
Donald Trump Moves to Attacking Glenn Youngkin in Extremely Odd Statement
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/11/11/donald-trump-moves-to-attacking-glenn-youngkin-in-extremely-odd-statement-n657588
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They are cheating like hell to keep Lake out. She vowed to fix Arizona’s election process and that would end the Dems power there, AZ would become like Florida. And they know Lake is prime president material. They are desperate to deny her administrative experience. They probably fear her more than DeSantis as a future presidential candidate. She’s more MAGA. I’d trust her over DeSantis any day.
Gee… I bet that’s Trump’s fault too.
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Who thinks, based on the midterms and mostly Dictatorial Governors that were re-elected, that Trump could actually beat Biden?
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From a friend:
An Open Letter to Donald Trump
Dear President Trump:
In mid-August, shortly after the FBI made its unannounced, unprecedented search of Mar-a-Lago, you acknowledged America’s rising levels of anger and polarization and you made an extraordinary offer:
“The temperature has to be brought down in the country. If it isn’t, terrible things are going to happen,” you said. “I will do whatever I can to help the country."
Offer accepted. Here’s how you can best help the nation step back from the precipice of civil disorder: Declare you will not be a candidate for president in 2024.
And by the way – President Biden, who falsely cast himself as the unity candidate in 2020 and has since made a series of dark, incendiary speeches demonizing all Republicans as a threat to democracy, should step to a Rose Garden podium and make a similar announcement. Only then will the healing begin, and the risk of politically inspired violence begin to diminish.
I’m a conservative who voted for you in 2016 and 2020 and I regret neither vote. Had you continued in office in 2021, the U.S. and the world would be safer and in far better economic condition today because you would have continued to encourage the exploitation of our vast energy resources; completed your efforts to close our southern border and stem both unfettered immigration and the importation of deadly fentanyl; ensured that law enforcement had the resources it needs to control rising crime that has all Americans on edge; and tried to slow the spread of racially divisive and sexually inappropriate materials in our schools.
You deserve great credit for engendering a political realignment that will ensure conservative ideas remain relevant. As many U.S. corporations have tacked left, intent on imposing an intolerant “woke” agenda far beyond their boardrooms, you have persuaded increasing numbers of working people and minorities that their best interests are no longer represented by a Democratic Party drawn to fringe ideology that matters to only a sliver of the electorate.
But these initiatives can and should proceed without you as Republicans continue to take advantage of a favorable electoral environment.
As I shuffle in the general direction of retirement, I expect the 2024 election to produce eight years of conservative leadership more likely to foster economic prosperity and stability which will prevent the further erosion of my retirement funds. You cannot offer us eight years. Because you’ve already been elected president once, the 22 nd Amendment to the Constitution limits you to one more term. That’s probably a good thing because in November 2024, you’ll be 78, five months older than Joe Biden was on Election Day 2020.
If you run again, the electorate’s attention will be diverted from winning issues which beg for exposition. Corrupt Justice Department jackals, at the behest of the Biden White House, will not let you rest. Whether the cause du jour is Jan. 6, classified documents, or your business operations, they will continue to harass and likely indict you. You will be playing defense when your team is poised to take the ball and drive down the field.
The merits of the claims against you are almost beside the point. What matters is that none of the other leading Republican contenders will have to contend with such distractions. We can’t afford to let distractions dilute the message.
You cannot secure personal vindication in 2024. Yes, there were irregularities in 2020. Two of them are undeniable: Mark Zuckerberg’s injection of $420 million to turn public elections administrators into get-out-the-vote activists in swing-state Democratic municipalities; and the FBI’s pressure on social media to censor reporting detrimental to Biden, including the Hunter Biden laptop story.
But it will never be possible to quantify the effect of those irregularities on the 2020 vote. Instead of relitigating 2020, there must be focus through 2024 and beyond on preventing the repeat of assaults on election integrity. (This week’s election of Republicans at the state level is a positive step in closing election loopholes.)
Another important consideration – you have never been a stranger to controversy. You thrive on being in the arena, duking it out, counterpunching, exposing hypocrisy. But the country can’t handle the daily maelstrom anymore, especially when it gets personal. The ties that bind us are on the verge of unraveling. As you’ve recognized, we need calm.
At the 2016 Republican National Convention, you famously said, “I alone can fix it.” That is no longer an argument for your candidacy. You may not publicly admit it right now, given your publicly expressed ambivalence toward Ron DeSantis, but you know he’s capable of carrying on the work you began. Equally worthy are Nikki Haley and Glenn Youngkin (to identify only two among several), both of whom offer the values, administrative experience, and calm demeanor we need to right the ship.
Your selfless decision to withdraw from the 2024 race would be statesmanlike, truly a historic “America First” moment. Think of the endorphins your announcement will release. Can you leave the political stage with such goodwill and positive energy? If you truly recognize what’s best for the country, you can and will.
Call any time if you want to discuss my proposal. I speak only for myself, but I know there are many committed conservatives who agree. My very best to you and Melania, and thanks for your service.
-- Jim Greenfield
James Greenfield is a business litigator and real estate lawyer in Villanova, Pa.
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Good idea. I should write him a letter. For four years every time I wrote him he did what I wanted.
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The list of winners the lamestream media wants you to ignore while you criticize Trump.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/comprehensive-look-trumps-endorsement-record
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Feckless GOP.
“During my primary, the local, establishment GOP shunned me. In fact, the Erie County GOP apparatus even went so far as to write a letter to the local liberal media giving them their endorsement, violating their own charter. Right before the primary, establishment operatives from the Lucas County Young Republican Club posted false images on Twitter claiming I sent messages calling Trump an idiot in an effort to sway him from endorsing me. It worked, in part, thwarting an early endorsement. But Trump still graciously gave me a shout out at the rally in Gallion, Ohio, boosting my standing, which led to my primary win.”
https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/11/11/majewski-i-am-a-republican-who-lost-on-tuesday-it-wasnt-trumps-fault-it-was-the-cowards-in-d-c-s-mcleadership/
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Just now.
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I’m inclined to agree with this.
https://rumble.com/v1thz3a-maga-or-nothing-i-will-abandon-the-gop-if-they-return-to-the-old-normal.html
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I’m inclined to agree with this.
https://rumble.com/v1thz3a-maga-or-nothing-i-will-abandon-the-gop-if-they-return-to-the-old-normal.html
As am I.
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The list of winners the lamestream media wants you to ignore while you criticize Trump.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/comprehensive-look-trumps-endorsement-record
I’ve told you why I’ve criticized Trump. It’s not this. I certainly agree that his endorsements did well, though it’s pretty bold to include over 50 uncontested candidates in the win column. Also, I question the list a little, as it includes the Wisconsin governor’s race, where the GOP candidate Tim Michels in the win column, but he got beat by the incumbent democrat.
My only point earlier was if you look at some of these races more granularly, the Trump-endorsed candidate underperformed when compared to other republicans in the same state. The example I used is JD Vance. He got 2,148,000 votes. Compare that to Mike DeWine got 2,528,000 votes. Why did JD Vance get almost 400,000 fewer votes than the Republican governor, who was not endorsed by Trump? That’s a lot of votes. Just something to think about as to whether Trump is the kingmaker we hoped he would be. That’s all.
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Feckless GOP.
“During my primary, the local, establishment GOP shunned me. In fact, the Erie County GOP apparatus even went so far as to write a letter to the local liberal media giving them their endorsement, violating their own charter. Right before the primary, establishment operatives from the Lucas County Young Republican Club posted false images on Twitter claiming I sent messages calling Trump an idiot in an effort to sway him from endorsing me. It worked, in part, thwarting an early endorsement. But Trump still graciously gave me a shout out at the rally in Gallion, Ohio, boosting my standing, which led to my primary win.”
https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/11/11/majewski-i-am-a-republican-who-lost-on-tuesday-it-wasnt-trumps-fault-it-was-the-cowards-in-d-c-s-mcleadership/
I totally agree. McConnell and McCarthy are petty little children.
I understand Cocaine Mitch withdrew $10 million from Blake Masters race to give it to has gal pal Lisa Murkowski. Fucking swamp.
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I’m inclined to agree with this.
https://rumble.com/v1thz3a-maga-or-nothing-i-will-abandon-the-gop-if-they-return-to-the-old-normal.html
I agree 100% with what he is saying, EXCEPT for his take on the Tea Party movement. I was heavily involved in it in 2009-2011.
He may have been too young, but the Tea Party movement had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with evangelicals. It didn’t even have much to do with social issues. It had 100% to do with smaller government and fiscal issues.
The problem was that opportunists clinched to The Movement, and basically bastardized the entire thing.
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what kind of voter pays attention to endorsements?
I (naively?) want people to know the candidate - not what slug endorses him or his competition.
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I agree 100% with what he is saying, EXCEPT for his take on the Tea Party movement. I was heavily involved in it in 2009-2011.
He may have been too young, but the Tea Party movement had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with evangelicals. It didn’t even have much to do with social issues. It had 100% to do with smaller government and fiscal issues.
The problem was that opportunists clinched to The Movement, and basically bastardized the entire thing.
Fair enough. As good as Styx is, he’s not perfect. He fell too much for the red wave and underestimated the cheating and the betrayal of establishment Republicans. It went beyond 2020. At this point I can’t trust the 2024 election at all, save a SCOTUS ruling ending Democrat fuckery.
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Reading the news tonight I see how people are fawning all over the establishment instead of standing firm.
The media is all in trying to keep mitch the twitch in place as he refl3cts all of their pig shit policies so well.
The sudden, unified, bullshit attacking Donald Trump was nothing but a second election to keep the criminal swamp in charge inDC and the asshole contingent of the republicans mushy middle fell for it like lemmings in a petting zoo.
What a flicking bunch of intellectual weaklings.
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Who thinks, based on the midterms and mostly Dictatorial Governors that were re-elected, that Trump could actually beat Biden?
If Jesus Christ came back and runs as a republican he couldn’t win with the election fraud going on.
Face it, from here on out in the blue shit hole states, and in the RINO controlled states, fair elections are over. The Rubicon has been crossed. ANYONE who runs as a conservative will be smeared in the media, will be investigated endlessly, will have parades of bimbos alleging misconduct and have their family attacked. Put any name you wish there, but none will stand a chance.
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I don’t give a shit because the people tearing him down aren’t a tenth the man he is.
From your quote, I hear that you don’t like people tearing down Trump, but you have no problem when he does it to others?
The man is politically toxic. He is the Pied Piper, leading Republicans over the cliff. You can ignore reality, but that doesn’t change the outcome of that reality.
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From your quote, I hear that you don’t like people tearing down Trump, but you have no problem when he does it to others?
The man is politically toxic. He is the Pied Piper, leading Republicans over the cliff. You can ignore reality, but that doesn’t change the outcome of that reality.
What’s the alternative? Keep with the Republican status quo? They were complicit with the Democrats in dragging this country ever deeper into debt and decay.
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From your quote, I hear that you don’t like people tearing down Trump, but you have no problem when he does it to others?
The man is politically toxic. He is the Pied Piper, leading Republicans over the cliff. You can ignore reality, but that doesn’t change the outcome of that reality.
It’s a big boy world, except for the pussies who get their feelings hurt by mean tweets.
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What’s the alternative? Keep with the Republican status quo? They were complicit with the Democrats in dragging this country ever deeper into debt and decay.
The mushy middle is obsessed with maintaining the swamp, at any cost, including ending free elections to do it. Pussy RINO’s are the worst of the bad lot.
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If Jesus Christ came back and runs as a republican he couldn’t win with the election fraud going on.
Face it, from here on out in the blue shit hole states, and in the RINO controlled states, fair elections are over. The Rubicon has been crossed. ANYONE who runs as a conservative will be smeared in the media, will be investigated endlessly, will have parades of bimbos alleging misconduct and have their family attacked. Put any name you wish there, but none will stand a chance.
^^^^^^This.
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The mushy middle is obsessed with maintaining the swamp, at any cost, including ending free elections to do it. Pussy RINO’s are the worst of the bad lot.
^^^^^^^And This.
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The mushy middle is obsessed with maintaining the swamp, at any cost, including ending free elections to do it. Pussy RINO’s are the worst of the bad lot.
Pussy RINOS and Democrats were the ones taking us off a cliff. The spending problem way predated Trump. True he didn’t fix it, but by bringing the economy back to a prosperous health, getting us energy independent and keeping us out of war he was laying a good foundation. He spent to bring the military up to par, to build a border wall, and as a result of Covid. The first two were necessary before we could proceed. I was hoping that in his second term he would get federal spending under control. He was already laying more foundations such as telling NATO to fund themselves and planning to reduce alphabet agencies.
This country cannot survive if we continue the status quo. If MAGA is leading the Republicans off a cliff then it is a risk we have to take. Yes, the cabal tyrants might pull the trigger on overt totalitarianism and we might lose the war, but to give up on MAGA and go back to status quo means you’re okay with a slow march to the same place: erosion of the middle class, increased globalism, continued decline of our standard of living, increased censorship and mass surveillance. What are RINO Republicans doing about all of that?
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People claiming that MAGA is somehow ‘leading us off a cliff,’ are lying out their asses to cover up their devotion to the status quo.
It takes courage to stand up to business as usual and pussy RINO’s claiming to be conservative are so busy talking out of both sides of their mouths, the country is sliding into catastrophic economic collapse and a civil war to go with WWIII at the same time.
But, hey, the clown RINO’s don’t have to worry about mean tweets!
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I'll just leave this here.....
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I'll just leave this here.....
I didn't know who Costa is, so I looked him up:
Robert Costa (born October 14, 1985) is an American political reporter who is the chief election and campaign correspondent for CBS News. Prior to joining CBS in 2022, Costa was a longtime national political reporter for The Washington Post. Previously, he was a political analyst for NBC News and MSNBC and the moderator and managing editor of Washington Week on PBS. He is the co-author with Bob Woodward of Peril, a # 1 New York Times bestseller on the final days of the Trump presidency, including the 2021 United States Capitol attack.
I'm sure he's a totally unbiased reporter who would NEVER make things up to drive an agenda.
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Right, since when do we start trusting people like Costa?
I can’t verify the image below either, but let’s keep our heads. Trump does sometimes smoke out his enemies … it’s said that the Mar-a-Lago raid turned up an empty safe because before leaving for New York Trump dropped some misinformation to a suspected traitor.
We have to keep our heads on swivels here. The enemy is deeply implanted among us and still largely stages its attacks using mind control by media.
I hate living as if everyone is trying to dupe me, but here we are.
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People claiming that MAGA is somehow ‘leading us off a cliff,’ are lying out their asses to cover up their devotion to the status quo.
It takes courage to stand up to business as usual and pussy RINO’s claiming to be conservative are so busy talking out of both sides of their mouths, the country is sliding into catastrophic economic collapse and a civil war to go with WWIII at the same time.
But, hey, the clown RINO’s don’t have to worry about mean tweets!
One thing I do agree with Stan on is we need more MAGA leaders than just Trump. He is old. We have some like Steve Bannon. You can tell because as soon as their effectiveness is apparent they get detained and charged by the Democrats’ weaponized agencies. We are in a defacto police state already. We need many more such leaders, so many they can’t arrest or suicide all of us.
One reason Trump is so important is that they don’t seem able to get him for some reason. He has carefully maintained a squeaky clean legal history and all their efforts to make him a political prisoner have failed. So we need to be very careful before ditching him. He’s still the galvanizing lightning rod for the movement. I wouldn’t believe the hype that his supporters are abandoning him in droves just yet. Just the fact that mainstream media is saying that should make you doubt it.
We don’t yet have a replacement or set of replacements that can unite the movement like he does. And there is the risk that whoever comes after him will pervert the movement into something we don’t want, just like the original Black Lives Matter movement, which was a correct ideology, was perverted into a money grabbing vehicle for its leaders and an excuse for criminal violence in its followers.
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Once again, I cannot disagree with any of this (except one thing I’ll get to). By the way, I did not know that Ted Cruz did that. (Ended Rand Paul’s filibuster on the NSA leaks.) Didn’t Cruz also call the Jan 6 protestors terrorists or insurrectionists or something?
I think he’s spot on with the Trump/DeSantis feud being astroturf. The ONE thing I take issue with Styx about is he is still talking as if we have functional elections. He says if Trump runs in 2024 he will win. Yes, just like he won in 2020. Styx does address this by talking about how several states have defortified. He seems to think a lot of the cheating has been fixed, but I think he is underestimating the slimy depths to which the left will sink. They have been fixed in red states but as we have seen it only takes one county each in a few blue or swing states to flip the election.
https://rumble.com/v1tsxao-trump-or-desantis-my-thoughts.html
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Evil RINOs on one hand.
Evil Libertarians who steal votes from decent Republicans on the other hand.
There is no alternative but doom!
The end is nigh!
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You are sounding like those in the White House
We are doomed
We are all going to die
;)
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Evil RINOs on one hand.
Evil Libertarians who steal votes from decent Republicans on the other hand.
There is no alternative but doom!
The end is nigh!
Sarcasm?
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What’s the alternative? Keep with the Republican status quo? They were complicit with the Democrats in dragging this country ever deeper into debt and decay.
1) Stop trying to make the Republican party exclusive to the right. It makes the party less appealing, smaller, and weaker.
2) Stop playing politics on tilt. MAGA Republicans are highly emotional and making emotional mistakes.
3) Choose candidates that appeal to a wider range, especially where Democrats are proposing extreme leftist candidates.
Before you can make changes, you have to be in power. Republicans aren't because of the above.
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There is a leadership vacuum
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Pussy RINOS and Democrats were the ones taking us off a cliff.
You're disputing who is responsible for driving Republicans off a cliff, not that they aren't going off one.
Again, you can ignore it. But you can't ignore what happens because of it.
Step back from the edge, take a breath and look around. MAGA is a tainted brand. Get a fresh start.
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1) Stop trying to make the Republican party exclusive to the right. It makes the party less appealing, smaller, and weaker.
2) Stop playing politics on tilt. MAGA Republicans are highly emotional and making emotional mistakes.
3) Choose candidates that appeal to a wider range, especially where Democrats are proposing extreme leftist candidates.
Before you can make changes, you have to be in power. Republicans aren't because of the above.
Everybody’s speaking in riddles right now. I have no idea what you mean. I’m going to take a nap.
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Sarcasm?
Yeah.
(Naps are often a good idea.)
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There is a leadership vacuum
There's a VALUES and Statesmenship vacuum.
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There's a VALUES and Statesmenship vacuum.
that too
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From a friend:
An Open Letter to Donald Trump
Dear President Trump:
In mid-August, shortly after the FBI made its unannounced, unprecedented search of Mar-a-Lago, you acknowledged America’s rising levels of anger and polarization and you made an extraordinary offer:
“The temperature has to be brought down in the country. If it isn’t, terrible things are going to happen,” you said. “I will do whatever I can to help the country."
Offer accepted. Here’s how you can best help the nation step back from the precipice of civil disorder: Declare you will not be a candidate for president in 2024.
And by the way – President Biden, who falsely cast himself as the unity candidate in 2020 and has since made a series of dark, incendiary speeches demonizing all Republicans as a threat to democracy, should step to a Rose Garden podium and make a similar announcement. Only then will the healing begin, and the risk of politically inspired violence begin to diminish.
I’m a conservative who voted for you in 2016 and 2020 and I regret neither vote. Had you continued in office in 2021, the U.S. and the world would be safer and in far better economic condition today because you would have continued to encourage the exploitation of our vast energy resources; completed your efforts to close our southern border and stem both unfettered immigration and the importation of deadly fentanyl; ensured that law enforcement had the resources it needs to control rising crime that has all Americans on edge; and tried to slow the spread of racially divisive and sexually inappropriate materials in our schools.
You deserve great credit for engendering a political realignment that will ensure conservative ideas remain relevant. As many U.S. corporations have tacked left, intent on imposing an intolerant “woke” agenda far beyond their boardrooms, you have persuaded increasing numbers of working people and minorities that their best interests are no longer represented by a Democratic Party drawn to fringe ideology that matters to only a sliver of the electorate.
But these initiatives can and should proceed without you as Republicans continue to take advantage of a favorable electoral environment.
As I shuffle in the general direction of retirement, I expect the 2024 election to produce eight years of conservative leadership more likely to foster economic prosperity and stability which will prevent the further erosion of my retirement funds. You cannot offer us eight years. Because you’ve already been elected president once, the 22 nd Amendment to the Constitution limits you to one more term. That’s probably a good thing because in November 2024, you’ll be 78, five months older than Joe Biden was on Election Day 2020.
If you run again, the electorate’s attention will be diverted from winning issues which beg for exposition. Corrupt Justice Department jackals, at the behest of the Biden White House, will not let you rest. Whether the cause du jour is Jan. 6, classified documents, or your business operations, they will continue to harass and likely indict you. You will be playing defense when your team is poised to take the ball and drive down the field.
The merits of the claims against you are almost beside the point. What matters is that none of the other leading Republican contenders will have to contend with such distractions. We can’t afford to let distractions dilute the message.
You cannot secure personal vindication in 2024. Yes, there were irregularities in 2020. Two of them are undeniable: Mark Zuckerberg’s injection of $420 million to turn public elections administrators into get-out-the-vote activists in swing-state Democratic municipalities; and the FBI’s pressure on social media to censor reporting detrimental to Biden, including the Hunter Biden laptop story.
But it will never be possible to quantify the effect of those irregularities on the 2020 vote. Instead of relitigating 2020, there must be focus through 2024 and beyond on preventing the repeat of assaults on election integrity. (This week’s election of Republicans at the state level is a positive step in closing election loopholes.)
Another important consideration – you have never been a stranger to controversy. You thrive on being in the arena, duking it out, counterpunching, exposing hypocrisy. But the country can’t handle the daily maelstrom anymore, especially when it gets personal. The ties that bind us are on the verge of unraveling. As you’ve recognized, we need calm.
At the 2016 Republican National Convention, you famously said, “I alone can fix it.” That is no longer an argument for your candidacy. You may not publicly admit it right now, given your publicly expressed ambivalence toward Ron DeSantis, but you know he’s capable of carrying on the work you began. Equally worthy are Nikki Haley and Glenn Youngkin (to identify only two among several), both of whom offer the values, administrative experience, and calm demeanor we need to right the ship.
Your selfless decision to withdraw from the 2024 race would be statesmanlike, truly a historic “America First” moment. Think of the endorphins your announcement will release. Can you leave the political stage with such goodwill and positive energy? If you truly recognize what’s best for the country, you can and will.
Call any time if you want to discuss my proposal. I speak only for myself, but I know there are many committed conservatives who agree. My very best to you and Melania, and thanks for your service.
-- Jim Greenfield
James Greenfield is a business litigator and real estate lawyer in Villanova, Pa.
This was an excellent letter, and expresses my beliefs on this situation.
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All elections are at the state level. Period.
All this fantasizing about a miracle candidate for national office somehow appealing to the radical leftist and getting them to suddenly see the error of their ways with regards to elections is, well, pure fantasy.
Any conservative candidate put forward in the next presidential election will be smeared and attacked. Bimbo after bimbo will be marched out, fake scandals will erupt, investigations began and his/her family will be fodder.
The radical Marxist left wants totalitarian rule and one party rule. They are now closer than ever and you can damn well bet they aren’t going away quietly.
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Bob Costa. Hahahahaha!
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/11/11/cnns-bob-costa-glares-while-riding-bicycle-in-slow-circles-at-bottom-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-driveway/
“CNN’s Bob Costa reports about explosive reports from sources who have heard anonymous reports from those who might have some familiarity with reports from others who have a connection to the matter.”
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Wasn't Bob Costas a baseball player turned sports announcer that often did the Olympics
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As I skim the news I am amazed at how LITTLE traction conservative members of the senate and congress are able to garner when they talk about mitch and kevin’s failures with regard to the mid term, but how any mention of blame Trump, Trump’s “failures” to deliver on election night and all the sudden media attention to any republican swamp dweller willing to sling bullshit against him.
flynn was the guy who urged us all to vote for a moderate democrat in 2016.
Several mushy RINOs posting here jumped on the ‘I Hate Donald Trump’ bandwagon so fast I wonder if they skid marks on their carpet spinning so fast. I also wonder if all it ever was was an excuse to indulge both their hatred of government for the people, and a total devotion to protecting the swamp, or if they are just stupid, assholes.
Maybe a bunch of all three.
The devotion of weak minded and treasonous republicans to sustaining the establishment, just as it is, is rather too cute to be accidental.
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Pussy RINOS and Democrats were the ones taking us off a cliff. The spending problem way predated Trump. True he didn’t fix it, but by bringing the economy back to a prosperous health, getting us energy independent and keeping us out of war he was laying a good foundation. He spent to bring the military up to par, to build a border wall, and as a result of Covid. The first two were necessary before we could proceed. I was hoping that in his second term he would get federal spending under control. He was already laying more foundations such as telling NATO to fund themselves and planning to reduce alphabet agencies.
This country cannot survive if we continue the status quo. If MAGA is leading the Republicans off a cliff then it is a risk we have to take. Yes, the cabal tyrants might pull the trigger on overt totalitarianism and we might lose the war, but to give up on MAGA and go back to status quo means you’re okay with a slow march to the same place: erosion of the middle class, increased globalism, continued decline of our standard of living, increased censorship and mass surveillance. What are RINO Republicans doing about all of that?
MAGA must continue. We just need a new standard bearer. Trump is incapable of continuing the movement. He is trying to turn MAGA people against anyone else who might rise up and carry the flag. All but the most fawning jock sniffers will reject that.
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Right, since when do we start trusting people like Costa?
I can’t verify the image below either, but let’s keep our heads. Trump does sometimes smoke out his enemies … it’s said that the Mar-a-Lago raid turned up an empty safe because before leaving for New York Trump dropped some misinformation to a suspected traitor.
We have to keep our heads on swivels here. The enemy is deeply implanted among us and still largely stages its attacks using mind control by media.
I hate living as if everyone is trying to dupe me, but here we are.
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There are way too many people popping up claiming they know something but they can’t reveal it. As if Trump disclosed his master plan to some broad on Facebook. Take this for example:
“Respectfully, sir, You also have no idea what is really going on. Any kind of an appearance of a "tiff" is all optics. Anything being presented by main stream media - including most of the reports from Fox - is not to be believed. Justin Jennings Trump didn't f up anything. It is not time yet for DeSantis. If any of the media outlets are pushing DeSantis, it is meant to split/ dilute the Republican party votes. I cannot explain everything to you. What is going on has been planned for many years.”
QAnon wannabes. Smdh
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One thing I do agree with Stan on is we need more MAGA leaders than just Trump. He is old. We have some like Steve Bannon. You can tell because as soon as their effectiveness is apparent they get detained and charged by the Democrats’ weaponized agencies. We are in a defacto police state already. We need many more such leaders, so many they can’t arrest or suicide all of us.
One reason Trump is so important is that they don’t seem able to get him for some reason. He has carefully maintained a squeaky clean legal history and all their efforts to make him a political prisoner have failed. So we need to be very careful before ditching him. He’s still the galvanizing lightning rod for the movement. I wouldn’t believe the hype that his supporters are abandoning him in droves just yet. Just the fact that mainstream media is saying that should make you doubt it.
We don’t yet have a replacement or set of replacements that can unite the movement like he does. And there is the risk that whoever comes after him will pervert the movement into something we don’t want, just like the original Black Lives Matter movement, which was a correct ideology, was perverted into a money grabbing vehicle for its leaders and an excuse for criminal violence in its followers.
We will never get more MAGA leaders if Trump keeps kneecapping the best ones coming up. I don’t see why this is so hard for people to see.
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We will never get more MAGA leaders if Trump keeps kneecapping the best ones coming up. I don’t see why this is so hard for people to see.
I guess I just don’t buy that he’s kneecapping them. When I hear it bleated all over CNN and Fox I tend to believe the opposite.
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I guess I just don’t buy that he’s kneecapping them. When I hear it bleated all over CNN and Fox I tend to believe the opposite.
I have links to support everything I’ve said above. Most have recordings of Trump in his own words. Except for the quote from the interview on Trump’s airplane, they are all from Trump’s mouth. None are from Fox or CNN, except for one clip from Tucker. I can’t make you listen to them, but they are here.
Trump’s megaphone is the loudest when he’s speaking at his MAGA rallies. I tune into them or watch them on YouTube whenever possible. Just hinting that DeSantis is a subpar governor, is sanctimonious, or is failing to genuflect on bended knee to Trump is designed to cast doubt in DeSantis’ future. Hell, I’ve even seen a change in your tenor from seeming to support DeSantis to saying you trust Kari Lake more than DeSantis. Did Ron do something that seemed untrustworthy?
Trump is influential with every word he says. Trump knows that. The MAGA movement knows that too. I’m part of it.
The only way these statements are not true is if he didn’t actually make them. I’ve seen no evidence that he didn’t make them, and no retractions from Trump. So I have to take them at face value. And at face value, you can’t say these statements, made to the MAGA movement, weren’t designed to harm DeSantis’ chances in 2024.
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repeat a lie often enough...
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I have links to support everything I’ve said above. Most have recordings of Trump in his own words. Except for the quote from the interview on Trump’s airplane, they are all from Trump’s mouth. None are from Fox or CNN, except for one clip from Tucker. I can’t make you listen to them, but they are here.
I’ve listened to one. I’ll try to get around to the others. The words might not be from CNN or Fox but the context and analysis is. The one I listened to “Desantimonious” seemed to me way out of whack with what the critics are saying about it.
Second hand context and analysis is everything and isn’t basic truth but somebody’s spin, and varies wildly depending on who you listen to. It could be close to truth, but both sides can’t be true. I’m not going to buy the anti-Trump side just yet. I don’t see why I should when these sources have consistently lied to me. I’m also not completely buying the pro-Trump side but lean that way.
I listened to Ben Shapiro for example. He talked about how the Republicans lost because they put up poor quality candidates. DeSantis won because he’s a good quality candidate. Shapiro ignored the fact that Florida doesn’t have election cheating. He ignored the fact that the RNC pulled funding from Trump supported candidates. He failed to specify examples of said poor quality candidates except maybe Oz. I am lacking a whole lot of information on why the MAGA candidates are so hated by establishment Republicans so I must conclude it’s because they see them as a threat.
I don’t really think I can judge without knowing all the facts and listening to them myself is only one small piece of the puzzle. How the hell do you go about getting any facts anyway? Something proposed about DeSantis being funded by someone with nefarious motives gets trashed as conspiracy theory.
I have been conditioned to expect things labeled conspiracy theory or misinformation are actually true or plausible. These sources have done nothing but LIE to me for years!!
Trump’s megaphone is the loudest when he’s speaking at his MAGA rallies. I tune into them or watch them on YouTube whenever possible. Just hinting that DeSantis is a subpar governor, is sanctimonious, or is failing to genuflect on bended knee to Trump is designed to cast doubt in DeSantis’ future. Hell, I’ve even seen a change in your tenor from seeming to support DeSantis to saying you trust Kari Lake more than DeSantis. Did Ron do something that seemed untrustworthy?
DeSantis supported red flag laws for example. But I mostly would support Kari Lake because she is extremely adept at fending off the lying media. Even better than DeSantis. It still remains to be seen if she can govern but that’s probably moot because Maricopa county is cheating her out of it.
Trump is influential with every word he says. Trump knows that. The MAGA movement knows that too. I’m part of it.
The only way these statements are not true is if he didn’t actually make them. I’ve seen no evidence that he didn’t make them, and no retractions from Trump. So I have to take them at face value. And at face value, you can’t say these statements, made to the MAGA movement, weren’t designed to harm DeSantis’ chances in 2024.
That’s the rub. I do not take anything at face value. I know we are seeing only the tip of the iceberg. I want to go underwater and see the rest of the thing. But it’s Herculean if doable at all. I don’t have the energy right now to try. One thing I know for sure is not to trust any reports of “anonymous sources close to…” or any analysis by mainstream media. Finding truth is harder than finding a needle in a haystack. No way in hell I’m abandoning Trump at this point of lack of comprehensive information. I feel like I’m being manipulated into doing just that. NOT saying you’re wrong. Not saying I’ll vote for Trump over DeSantis in 2024; I’ve made that very clear. Trump could well be losing his mind. Or he could have good reasons for what he’s doing we aren’t aware of. I am reserving judgment. I’ll not campaign for or against anybody at this point.
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We seem to agree that GOPe, RINOs, and RNC all are not to be supported and in fact literally are working against Americans. Whence, then our loyalty and support?
I refuse just to sigh and accept that hot, impotent GOP mess is the best we can do. Before it comes to torching the country, we must torch this diseased party and start over. Trump should have done it.
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We seem to agree that GOPe, RINOs, and RNC all are not to be supported and in fact literally are working against Americans. Whence, then our loyalty and support?
I refuse just to sigh and accept that hot, impotent GOP mess is the best we can do. Before it comes to torching the country, we must torch this diseased party and start over. Trump should have done it.
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Which party do you consider the diseased one? It sounds like you are denigrating the Rs, who deserve it, but they aren't as diseased as the Ds.
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Which party do you consider the diseased one? It sounds like you are denigrating the Rs, who deserve it, but they aren't as diseased as the Ds.
Interesting point. The Dems are diseased, true, but they’re like lemmings and a trapped animal simultaneously … and they hold weapons like media, stolen handles of power, education, etc. with which to lash out and protect themselves and their endless money grift.
To defeat the cabal-owned, corrupt Dems we need a robust new party. Look at the RNC and RINO and GOPe behaviors in this election. All they did was toss red meat to the Dems while maintaining silence about anything relating to giving the government back to the people, securing elections and borders, etc.
They’re dead.
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We seem to agree that GOPe, RINOs, and RNC all are not to be supported …we must torch this diseased party and start over. Trump should have done it.
Trump is a symptom of the disease, not necessarily the cure.
But assuming he is AND you exclude RINOs, who are you going to start over with and how are you going to build a party large enough to be effective?
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The MAGA is the way forward for those of us who are not swamp supporters.
The GOP has devolved into democrat slightly lighter and is no longer our home.
People who pretend to blame Donald Trump for the failings of the swamp are the disease.
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Question: Did Trump drain the swamp when he had his chance? If not, why not?
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Question: Did Trump drain the swamp when he had his chance? If not, why not?
Your question is pure projection. It’s not even legitimate.
You are sucking at the tit of the swamp, blaming Donald Trump for the mid term, and now projecting some other bullshit on him.
Question for your dumb ass…
Who else EVER took on the swamp like Donald Trump?
Other than mean tweets, what are you blaming him for?
Are you better off now than four years ago? Other than having to suffer no mean tweets?
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Trump is a symptom of the disease, not necessarily the cure.
But assuming he is AND you exclude RINOs, who are you going to start over with and how are you going to build a party large enough to be effective?
And while you are on the subject of political partoes, when will you answer the question I've asked you many times?
Question: Why do you support a party that backs totalitarian rule, has a long history of racism, has a long history of denying civil rights and is under the control of Marxist?
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Your question is pure projection. It’s not even legitimate.
You are sucking at the tit of the swamp, blaming Donald Trump for the mid term, and now projecting some other bullshit on him.
Question for your dumb ass…
Who else EVER took on the swamp like Donald Trump?
Other than mean tweets, what are you blaming him for?
Are you better off now than four years ago? Other than having to suffer no mean tweets?
Nobody talked about the swamp more than Trump. He identified it. We loved that.
Now answer my question.
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The MAGA is the way forward for those of us who are not swamp supporters.
The GOP has devolved into democrat slightly lighter and is no longer our home.
People who pretend to blame donal Trump for the failings of the swamp are the disease.
What are our choices? What’s the plan?
1. Go along with GOP, reject MAGA, allow the Dem/GOP uniparty to continue what was already a decay, only faster now, because GOP won’t fight the radical left that’s taken over the Dems
2. Embrace Trump and MAGA, try to replace ossified old GOP with populists who have the common man’s best interest in mind and want to bring prosperity back to us all.
3. Reject Trump but continue MAGA in order to do the same as number 2.
4. Stick with the Dems, declare all non-Dems enemies of the state, ban fossil fuels and preside over a rapid slide into economic and civil catastrophe. Pretty much the same as number 1 but more honest.
Most of us here choose either 2 or 3. Two is straightforward, if Trump announces, and DeSantis sits it out, we pretty much have no choice but to back him regardless of being convinced he will “lose” against any desiccated corpse or screeching lunatic the Dems run. In any case, MAGA Republicans in the cheat states will have to exert extreme pressure on politicians to demand election reform and back it up with lawsuits.
Three is not straightforward. Those who claim they support MAGA but suffer from original or new variant TDS have not laid out a plausible pathway forward. The best I’ve seen so far is they hope DeSantis runs in 2024. They plan to vote for him in the primary. First, odds are less than 50/50 DeSantis will run, and if he does, odds are way less than 50/50 he will beat Trump in a primary, given current conditions. Odds are zero anyone else can beat Trump in a Republican primary absent the rise of a charismatic dark horse which is extremely unlikely, or Trump having a medical event Fetterman style. Trump’s recent alleged attacks on erstwhile MAGA supportees that he elevated, for supposedly not appreciating him enough, are not yet enough to destroy his place as Republican heir apparent for 2024.
So, number threes, what is your plan?
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Bottom line: Without election reform none of this matters.
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Trump is a symptom of the disease, not necessarily the cure.
But assuming he is AND you exclude RINOs, who are you going to start over with and how are you going to build a party large enough to be effective?
Trump exposed the traitorous GOP and commented harshly about them to us all many times, but still had to work with them when he was in office.
It’s my belief, possibly erroneous, that after 2020 nearly every Republican, or at least all 81 million Trump voters, would have seamlessly gone with a new American party because it was clear that Ronna Fucking McDaniel and the entire GOP, including my House rep, were going to do FUCKING NOTHING about the steal. Nothing, that is, except beg money to help fix it and then go on a posh retreat in Florida to look like they somehow were doing something. Assholes all.
Yes, it would require recruiting true patriotic Americans to run, elections would have to be fixed by WE THE PEOPLE (no federal or state bureaucracy is going to do it for us) the left would have to be defeated in all ways, but after the GOP literally DEFECTED and abandoned Americans, as it still is doing to this day, I see no other option really.
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Bottom line: Without election reform none of this matters.
Truth. We have to get rid of this nonsense of counting mail in ballots for two weeks after Election Day. It is a blatant tool to push over the Dem candidate.
Republicans need to really step up their game to fight this. I guess it has to be at state level. I don’t think we want to set precedent at the federal level by trying to pass legislation. Not sure that’s even constitutional. A SCOTUS ruling might help but good luck getting that before 2024. We need a constitutional amendment requiring an ID to vote, banning drop off boxes, mandating bipartisan oversight, and restricting absentee ballots to those with demonstrated need and identity confirmation. Again, not gonna happen by 2024 probably not ever. So the cheat states need to focus hard on fixing themselves.
Actually I support returning to paper ballots in person only except for deployed military etc. And for the love of God, raise voting age to 30.
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What would be considered "draining the swamp"? Exactly what did Trump do in his four years that would be considered "draining the swamp"
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Truth. We have to get rid of this nonsense of counting mail in ballots for two weeks after Election Day. It is a blatant tool to push over the Dem candidate.
Republicans need to really step up their game to fight this. I guess it has to be at state level. I don’t think we want to set precedent at the federal level by trying to pass legislation. Not sure that’s even constitutional. A SCOTUS ruling might help but good luck getting that before 2024. We need a constitutional amendment requiring an ID to vote, banning drop off boxes, mandating bipartisan oversight, and restricting absentee ballots to those with demonstrated need and identity confirmation. Again, not gonna happen by 2024 probably not ever. So the cheat states need to focus hard on fixing themselves.
Actually I support returning to paper ballots in person only except for deployed military etc. And for the love of God, raise voting age to 30.
I honestly believe that letting traitorous RINOs be involved in fighting corruption, securing elections, and EVERYTHING ELSE YOU LISTED will hamstring progress and guarantee NO SUCCESS AT ALL beyond a few tepid, token moves they’ll make to get re-elected.
These people have to be banished and replaced with fighters. I won’t sacrifice life energy to this cause if I have to be on a “team” filled with milquetoast Dem lite RINOs, which 97% or more of them seem to be.
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Truth. We have to get rid of this nonsense of counting mail in ballots for two weeks after Election Day. It is a blatant tool to push over the Dem candidate.
Republicans need to really step up their game to fight this. I guess it has to be at state level. I don’t think we want to set precedent at the federal level by trying to pass legislation. Not sure that’s even constitutional. A SCOTUS ruling might help but good luck getting that before 2024. We need a constitutional amendment requiring an ID to vote, banning drop off boxes, mandating bipartisan oversight, and restricting absentee ballots to those with demonstrated need and identity confirmation. Again, not gonna happen by 2024 probably not ever. So the cheat states need to focus hard on fixing themselves.
Actually I support returning to paper ballots in person only except for deployed military etc. And for the love of God, raise voting age to 30.
The rubicon has been crossed, and there is no going back at this point. The blue shithole states are firmly entrenched now, and there are no more free elections in them, only party selected rule.
The semi free states with RINO legislatures have allowed themselves to fall under UniParty control. Don't look for election reform there either. Arizona is a prime example, the communist in that state are scared shitless Kari Lake will come in and push election reform, thus why we are watching the steal before our very eyes.
The communist democrats for years felt the only way to wrestle control of the country was to turn Florida and Texas blue. This is no longer the case as they have figured out and perfected a new system, without conservative interference, which allows them to use "battle ground" states to control government. This is not going to change.
So here we are, in 2022, with a deeply divided country. We have the free states which are productive and then we have the blue shitholes sucking down what the free states sends to DC. We have bi-coastal elites demanding the free states succumb to their never ending idiocy.
We can sit here and opine who will be the better GOP candidate in 2024 for president, but it doesn't matter, the fix is already in place.
Honestly the only solution at this point is a Article V convention of states, or outright secession of the free states.
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The rubicon has been crossed, and there is no going back at this point. The blue shithole states are firmly entrenched now, and there are no more free elections in them, only party selected rule.
The semi free states with RINO legislatures have allowed themselves to fall under UniParty control. Don't look for election reform there either. Arizona is a prime example, the communist in that state are scared shitless Kari Lake will come in and push election reform, thus why we are watching the steal before our very eyes.
The communist democrats for years felt the only way to wrestle control of the country was to turn Florida and Texas blue. This is no longer the case as they have figured out and perfected a new system, without conservative interference, which allows them to use "battle ground" states to control government. This is not going to change.
So here we are, in 2022, with a deeply divided country. We have the free states which are productive and then we have the blue shitholes sucking down what the free states sends to DC. We have bi-coastal elites demanding the free states succumb to their never ending idiocy.
We can sit here and opine who will be the better GOP candidate in 2024 for president, but it doesn't matter, the fix is already in place.
Honestly the only solution at this point is a Article V convention of states, or outright secession of the free states.
I was waiting on the midterms to see if I agreed with you on that an I think I have my answer. I think you are right. Right now Article V is the way to go, although I still think AZ etc. need not give up the fight for internal reform.
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I was waiting on the midterms to see if I agreed with you on that an I think I have my answer. I think you are right. Right now Article V is the way to go, although I still think AZ etc. need not give up the fight for internal reform.
I don't believe AZ should give up, but right now we are watching the steal before our very eyes happen there. If they do the steal, it's over for AZ as well.
Notice how none of the McLOSERS are commenting on the steals? It's all baked in.
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Nobody talked about the swamp more than Trump. He identified it. We loved that.
Now answer my question.
How about this? You don't get to redefine the discussion whenever your pathetic attempts at projection fail. I understand that is how liberal assholes roll, but it doesn't fly here.
Stop grasping for straws to define your pathetic argument.
Nobody fought harder than Donald Trump against the swamp. Your argument is pure bullshit from a rino whiner.
Now stop lying to yourself and everybody else and be a fucking man for a change, instead of a snowflake insulted by mean tweets.
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What are our choices? What’s the plan?
1. Go along with GOP, reject MAGA, allow the Dem/GOP uniparty to continue what was already a decay, only faster now, because GOP won’t fight the radical left that’s taken over the Dems
2. Embrace Trump and MAGA, try to replace ossified old GOP with populists who have the common man’s best interest in mind and want to bring prosperity back to us all.
3. Reject Trump but continue MAGA in order to do the same as number 2.
4. Stick with the Dems, declare all non-Dems enemies of the state, ban fossil fuels and preside over a rapid slide into economic and civil catastrophe. Pretty much the same as number 1 but more honest.
Most of us here choose either 2 or 3. Two is straightforward, if Trump announces, and DeSantis sits it out, we pretty much have no choice but to back him regardless of being convinced he will “lose” against any desiccated corpse or screeching lunatic the Dems run. In any case, MAGA Republicans in the cheat states will have to exert extreme pressure on politicians to demand election reform and back it up with lawsuits.
Three is not straightforward. Those who claim they support MAGA but suffer from original or new variant TDS have not laid out a plausible pathway forward. The best I’ve seen so far is they hope DeSantis runs in 2024. They plan to vote for him in the primary. First, odds are less than 50/50 DeSantis will run, and if he does, odds are way less than 50/50 he will beat Trump in a primary, given current conditions. Odds are zero anyone else can beat Trump in a Republican primary absent the rise of a charismatic dark horse which is extremely unlikely, or Trump having a medical event Fetterman style. Trump’s recent alleged attacks on erstwhile MAGA supportees that he elevated, for supposedly not appreciating him enough, are not yet enough to destroy his place as Republican heir apparent for 2024.
So, number threes, what is your plan?
It's easy.
Donald Trump showed us the roadmap.
Reject the pathetic rino snowflakes and mushy middlers whining about mean tweets.
Keep replacing bullshit fake republicans with MAGA conservatives until the majority is in our hands.
Reject the pathetic ones whining about everything including high gas prices on us.
Push back every time whining assholes like the ones here try to redefine the mission.
NEVER back down, or give ground.
Never let the pathic cowards hijack the truth and blame everything on Trump.
Never show the fear and insecurity shown by those mushy middlers who show up here and preach weakness and defeat.
WE Won lots of races. The shit for brains left stole more.
So what?
We keep pushing harder and harder until we win enough to end their freedom to steal elections.
Florida is an excellent example.
The out come matched the polls perfectly, except that Rubio did better than the polls suggested.
Florida has strong voter integrity.
Everywhere else the democrats and shit republicans weaklings allowed their elections to be stolen by criminals and other types of democrats.
The push there has to be harder, meaner, and stronger even though the pussy brigade of rinos will whine about mean tweets.
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People who pretend to blame Donald Trump for the failings of the swamp are the disease.
I don't blame Trump for the failings of the Swamp. I give him credit for trying to fix it, and for a lot of other things he has done. But he has failed us.
And I don't think he is the man to fix any of the problems now. Even if he once was, he is no longer. He is now toxic to a great majority of voters, and without voter support he is useless as a candidate. And his recent attempts to weaken DeSantis just makes it worse.
It's time to move on to someone that has a chance.
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It's time to move on to someone that has a chance.
And under the current situation, who would this be? Given that "battleground states" have election laws that have been essentially trashed, which basically guarantees the democrats to win any further elections, how is this person that "has a chance" going to actually have a chance?
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it would take a tremendous leader, someone able to reach moderates, someone able to not just survive the inevitable lies and attacks from the msm trash but thrive on it, to build on it. Someone able to shape opinion and not just follow polls.
a leader
someone withi integrity and honesty
a leader
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And under the current situation, who would this be? Given that "battleground states" have election laws that have been essentially trashed, which basically guarantees the democrats to win any further elections, how is this person that "has a chance" going to actually have a chance?
So is your solution to hold tight with Trump, who doesn't stand a chance in hell of getting re-elected?
I'd go with DeSantis, with any one of the hot young Republican women, which might even include not-yet-Republican Tulsi.
Or Nikki or Kristi or Kari or a few others.
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So is your solution to hold tight with Trump, who doesn't stand a chance in hell of getting re-elected?
A lame attempt at deflection. I asked a specific question.
I'd go with DeSantis, with any one of the hot young Republican women, which might even include not-yet-Republican Tulsi.
Or Nikki or Kristi or Kari or a few others.
And please explain how any of these can overcome the electioneering in the battleground states?
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Once Trump got into office he discovered that the swamp is far deeper and more solidified than anyone imagined, and is composed not just of politicians, but all the alphabet agencies, including DOJ, FBI, DHS, IC, secret service and White House staff. That he managed to stay in office and accomplish anything is nothing short of miraculous, as he was being subjected to constant attempts to block or destroy him by all these traitorous swamp creatures, and here you people complain he isn’t perfect and didn’t get rid of them all.
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So is your solution to hold tight with Trump, who doesn't stand a chance in hell of getting re-elected?
I'd go with DeSantis, with any one of the hot young Republican women, which might even include not-yet-Republican Tulsi.
Or Nikki or Kristi or Kari or a few others.
DeSantis has not given any hint he will run, and none of the hot young Republican women are ready to mount a presidential campaign, and even if they are, only Kari Lake possibly has the fortitude needed to stand up to what will be a horrific onslaught from the uniparty. But even if she wins AZ she won’t have had enough executive experience by 2024; if she loses, she’ll have none. If there is a Republican who runs that doesn’t get that onslaught, it will be because they’re a RINO, and if they win, back to business as usual pre-Trump, in other words back to the decline, only much worse because of the Biden damage happening now.
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I don't blame Trump for the failings of the Swamp. I give him credit for trying to fix it, and for a lot of other things he has done. But he has failed us.
And I don't think he is the man to fix any of the problems now. Even if he once was, he is no longer. He is now toxic to a great majority of voters, and without voter support he is useless as a candidate. And his recent attempts to weaken DeSantis just makes it worse.
It's time to move on to someone that has a chance.
The only reason people with weak backbones say that the country needs to move on from Donald Trump is because you let the media define your convictions and are too weak minded to stand strong.
That’s why shit for brains democrats steal elections. People like you are too weak to consistently stand for anything and seem desperate to go along to get along.
You are perfect for the rino left wing of the party. As long as folks like you wallow in your weakness, democrats will continue to walk all over the law.
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DeSantis has not given any hint he will run, and none of the hot young Republican women are ready to mount a presidential campaign, and even if they are, only Kari Lake possibly has the fortitude needed to stand up to what will be a horrific onslaught from the uniparty. But even if she wins AZ she won’t have had enough executive experience by 2024; if she loses, she’ll have none. If there is a Republican who runs that doesn’t get that onslaught, it will be because they’re a RINO, and if they win, back to business as usual pre-Trump, in other words back to the decline, only much worse because of the Biden damage happening now.
How much relevant executive experience did Trump have where he couldn't just say "you're fired" if he didn't like someone or something?
Do you actually think that Trump has any chance of winning in 2024?
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Do you actually think that Trump has any chance of winning in 2024?
Do you actually think any republican has a chance of winning in 2024?
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How much relevant executive experience did Trump have where he couldn't just say "you're fired" if he didn't like someone or something?
He would have had to fire 90% of employees inside the belt line! DC would be a ghost town.
Do you actually think that Trump has any chance of winning in 2024?
Forget cheating for the moment. Given that economic conditions worsen over the next two years and there is no reason to think they won’t, and assuming the Dems don’t come up with a brilliant charismatic new candidate, and assuming Trump doesn’t stroke out or something, Trump has an excellent chance at winning 2024. He is the “incumbent” of the party, he’s got a proven track record, and I simply don’t believe he has lost his base of support. He will be running against Biden, Harris, or some other freak show. He should easily win.
Now, add cheating, so no, I am not confident he’d get in. But if the cheating is still there to keep him out, it will also keep out this hypothetical savior that you’re hoping will arise and take up the banner in his stead.
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.... Given that economic conditions worsen over the next two years and there is no reason to think they won’t, ...
I had to laugh at that.
People around here are celebrating that gas prices went down a few cents and record high inflation is down to merely extremely high inflation.
Happy days are here again...
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Do you actually think any republican has a chance of winning in 2024?
Yes.
Do you ever do anything besides whine and complain that all is doom and gloom? I'll bet you are a blast at parties. Have you ever made a positive contribution?
Republicans lose because they keep doing stupid stuff and clinging to losing strategies (and candidates).
If you want any election reform, you have to be willing to negotiate a little.
Offer free voter ID to everyone.
Offer free public transportation to everyone that asks.
Make voting day at least 3 or 4 days (Sat, Sun, Mon and maybe Tues).
In return,
Demand limited mail-in ballots only for justifiable reasons. Everyone else has to vote in person, with ID.
Recruit more conservatives to volunteer as poll workers. Almost every poll worker I knew was a liberal.
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There is no draining the swamp. It's impossible without without a full blown Civil War or revolution.
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Yes.
Do you ever do anything besides whine and complain that all is doom and gloom? I'll bet you are a blast at parties. Have you ever made a positive contribution?
Still butthurt huh? ::)
As a side note, you did the most complaining about how you felt others made personal attacks here. So far, all I have done is ask you to clarify your position, and you launch into personal attacks. ::)
Republicans lose because they keep doing stupid stuff and clinging to losing strategies (and candidates).
I'll agree with the stupid stuff, but several very good candidates just lost not due to enough votes, but due to electioneering. No one can win when the other side has the results before the first ballot is cast.
If you want any election reform, you have to be willing to negotiate a little.
Offer free voter ID to everyone.
Offer free public transportation to everyone that asks.
Make voting day at least 3 or 4 days (Sat, Sun, Mon and maybe Tues).
In return,
Demand limited mail-in ballots only for justifiable reasons. Everyone else has to vote in person, with ID.
Recruit more conservatives to volunteer as poll workers. Almost every poll worker I knew was a liberal.
What's it like in that little bubble you live in?
You really think the radical left is going to negotiate on election laws, especially when it means they can't win every time? Seriously, you are delusional if you think the republicans, or anyone, can negotiate fair elections.
They are not going to give back what they spent decades building.
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You’ll scoff, but think about it … Trump running as a new party with at least 20 congressmen and a half dozen senators, all leaving the GOP? Also more defecting Dems.
Repubs have sold us out. They’re not fixable. Reread that. They’re dead weight and toxic and only weaken every effort to right the American ship.
If you think the numbers for a new party aren’t good enough to “win,” remember that lugging ourselves down with RINOs who tolerate election stealing is a TOTAL DEAD END.
A new party would be energized with a true passion to fix things and call out corruption.
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You’ll scoff, but think about it … Trump running as a new party with at least 20 congressmen and a half dozen senators, all leaving the GOP? Also more defecting Dems.
Repubs have sold us out. They’re not fixable. Reread that. They’re dead weight and toxic and only weaken every effort to right the American ship.
If you think the numbers for a new party aren’t good enough to “win,” remember that lugging ourselves down with RINOs who tolerate election stealing is a TOTAL DEAD END.
A new party would be energized with a true passion to fix things and call out corruption.
Trump is making an announcement tomorrow. OMG what if he’s announcing that he’s running as a new party?
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As a side note, you did the most complaining about how you felt others made personal attacks here. So far, all I have done is ask you to clarify your position, and you launch into personal attacks. ::)
Good for you. You noticed. I never said you were stupid.
But I have decided it isn't worth the frustration to be nice to assholes. Especially assholes that send people PMs to tell them that they are a pussy and should leave.
So FU Lucifer.
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Good for you. You noticed. I never said you were stupid.
But I have decided it isn't worth the frustration to be nice to assholes. Especially assholes that send people PMs to tell them that they are a pussy and should leave.
So FU Lucifer.
No, I never said you should leave. And I never said you were a pussy.
I said you were a pansy. ;)
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How about this? You don't get to redefine the discussion whenever your pathetic attempts at projection fail. I understand that is how liberal assholes roll, but it doesn't fly here.
Stop grasping for straws to define your pathetic argument.
Nobody fought harder than Donald Trump against the swamp. Your argument is pure bullshit from a rino whiner.
Now stop lying to yourself and everybody else and be a fucking man for a change, instead of a snowflake insulted by mean tweets.
Grow the fuck up. You are identical to the left - destroy the messenger so you can ignore them message.
Did Trump fire and replace any agency senior leadership with non-swamp dwellers? Did he close down any agencies?
The fact is the swamp is still the swamp. No career leftist bureaucrats were axed. The swamp acted to destroy Trump and he didn’t do what was needed to be done to stop it. I do believe he picked the wrong advisors, particularly in his first two years. Those advisors generally kept the bureaucrats in place. So it’s not all his fault. But the swamp is now attacking us citizens without remotest and without accountability.
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And under the current situation, who would this be? Given that "battleground states" have election laws that have been essentially trashed, which basically guarantees the democrats to win any further elections, how is this person that "has a chance" going to actually have a chance?
So we give up? We don’t advance the most winnable candidate?
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Do you actually think any republican has a chance of winning in 2024?
Again, what’s your point? Just quit? Cede every district to them? Not run anyone any more?
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He would have had to fire 90% of employees inside the belt line! DC would be a ghost town.
Forget cheating for the moment. Given that economic conditions worsen over the next two years and there is no reason to think they won’t, and assuming the Dems don’t come up with a brilliant charismatic new candidate, and assuming Trump doesn’t stroke out or something, Trump has an excellent chance at winning 2024. He is the “incumbent” of the party, he’s got a proven track record, and I simply don’t believe he has lost his base of support. He will be running against Biden, Harris, or some other freak show. He should easily win.
Now, add cheating, so no, I am not confident he’d get in. But if the cheating is still there to keep him out, it will also keep out this hypothetical savior that you’re hoping will arise and take up the banner in his stead.
I don’t know who this is so can’t vouch for it, but it’s an interesting datapoint.
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1592271468045684736?t=TOGY2BdhlaIh13RZJP7jng&s=07
Edit: I don’t know why it didn’t show up, so here’s a screen shot of this tweet.
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There is no draining the swamp. It's impossible without without a full blown Civil War or revolution.
But Trump said we could. Hell, I even yelled it at a chant at a Trump rally.
I don’t know why he didn’t do this, but you could sever all political appointees. Put a friendly team as interim leadership, and seal and destroy anyone who refuses to play ball. If you can’t fire them, put them in the Mail room. Have hiring freezes for 8 years and let agencies shrink by attrition. Etc etc.
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Grow the fuck up. You are identical to the left - destroy the messenger so you can ignore them message.
Did Trump fire and replace any agency senior leadership with non-swamp dwellers? Did he close down any agencies?
The fact is the swamp is still the swamp. No career leftist bureaucrats were axed. The swamp acted to destroy Trump and he didn’t do what was needed to be done to stop it. I do believe he picked the wrong advisors, particularly in his first two years. Those advisors generally kept the bureaucrats in place. So it’s not all his fault. But the swamp is now attacking us citizens without remotest and without accountability.
You are about as thin-skinned as a gay dancer.
You also embrace failure with a relish that should surprise any adult. 'Blah, blah, blah, Trump didn't cure all the ills in four years, therefore I think I'll campaign against him so that someone with no intention of curing the swamp can make everyone inside the beltway feel safe about their bribe money...'
When you tell people to grow up, try looking gin the mirror AND lost the pansy act.
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I don’t know who this is so can’t vouch for it, but it’s an interesting datapoint.
https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1592271468045684736?t=TOGY2BdhlaIh13RZJP7jng&s=07
Edit: I don’t know why it didn’t show up, so here’s a screen shot of this tweet.
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A single poll is always meaningless. We need aggregates.
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But Trump said we could. Hell, I even yelled it at a chant at a Trump rally.
I don’t know why he didn’t do this, but you could sever all political appointees. Put a friendly team as interim leadership, and seal and destroy anyone who refuses to play ball. If you can’t fire them, put them in the Mail room. Have hiring freezes for 8 years and let agencies shrink by attrition. Etc etc.
True he could have but didn’t. Why do you have faith DeSantis (or anyone else) will?
Trump created and galvanized the movement, now you want to cut off its head and sew another one on and expect it to work?
I’m not saying I won’t end up agreeing by the time 2024 rolls around, but I’m far from convinced right now. At the very least we need to see the viable alternative step up and to date there is no one. If Rand Paul announces presidential ambitions I’ll open my mind a bit more, but for now I’m staying with the one who started all this.
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This is an EXCELLENT article by Victor Davis Hanson. It encapsulates most of my thoughts, and validated others.
https://victorhanson.com/tragically-trump/
I recommend the whole article, but this is an excerpt from bottom of article:
By 2022 even hard conservatives thought Trump was expendable, his liabilities growing larger than his assets, his future potential deemed less than his past achievements, his don’t tread-on-me pushbacks to the Left overshadowed by his cul-de-sac and gratuitous spats with irrelevancies, and his former remarkable perseverance in the face of historic and unjust attacks overshadowed by his current preemptive squabbles.
So, will Trump rest on his considerable laurels and ride out gracefully to Mar-a-Lago? And there, as a kingmaker/elder statesman, will he work to institutionalize his MAGA agendas while raising money for any presidential candidate who embraces it?
Or will a subdued candidate Trump now pivot, grow quieter, and let the people vote in the primaries to decide whether they want him anymore—and whether Ron DeSantis sinks as a 2016 Scott Walker on the national stage (a similarly talented and successful governor), or assumes the mythical status of Ronald Reagan?
Or will an unapologetic Trump instead now escalate his slurs, bray at the moon, play out his current angry Ajax role to the bitter end, and thus himself end up a tragic hero—appreciated for past service but deemed too toxic for present company?
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So we give up? We don’t advance the most winnable candidate?
Nope, just stating reality.
Two years is a long time. I don’t know what will happen in two years, and no one here does either.
But I do know, after witnessing the past two elections that the chances of ever seeing another conservative president are dwindling.
Until we see actual changes to voting laws in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Colorado and a few others, we are headed for a one party controlled country.
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A single poll is always meaningless. We need aggregates.
That’s why I called it a data point.
The problem with polls between incumbents and challengers is that in many cases the challengers are highly unknown.
I think millions more know DeSantis now than even a month ago.
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True he could have but didn’t. Why do you have faith DeSantis (or anyone else) will?
Trump created and galvanized the movement, now you want to cut off its head and sew another one on and expect it to work?
I’m not saying I won’t end up agreeing by the time 2024 rolls around, but I’m far from convinced right now. At the very least we need to see the viable alternative step up and to date there is no one. If Rand Paul announces presidential ambitions I’ll open my mind a bit more, but for now I’m staying with the one who started all this.
Why? Because (1) I don’t think he can win, and (2) we need someone who can give us 8 years, not just 4. It’s as simple as that. It’s not personal.
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Hobbs is claiming she has won.
Where will conservatives ever find someone unafraid to call out election fraud? To take the constant heat? To NOT CAVE to the left and RINOs? To NOT QUIT, as you think he should?
https://www.rsbnetwork.com/news/trump-calls-for-a-new-election-in-arizona-immediately/
https://gab.com/AZHoneyBadger/posts/109343815020179973
Here’s what people face who call out election fraud.
https://100percentfedup.com/2000-mules-investigator-releases-powerful-handwritten-list-of-17-things-i-will-not-do-he-wrote-on-day-5-in-federal-prison/
https://gab.com/AmericanAFMindy/posts/109344742769113468
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Hobbs is claiming she has won.
Where will conservatives ever find someone unafraid to call out election fraud? To take the constant heat? To NOT CAVE to the left and RINOs? To NOT QUIT, as you think he should?
https://www.rsbnetwork.com/news/trump-calls-for-a-new-election-in-arizona-immediately/
https://gab.com/AZHoneyBadger/posts/109343815020179973
Here’s what people face who call out election fraud.
https://100percentfedup.com/2000-mules-investigator-releases-powerful-handwritten-list-of-17-things-i-will-not-do-he-wrote-on-day-5-in-federal-prison/
https://gab.com/AmericanAFMindy/posts/109344742769113468
And nothing from the McLosers. The communist Dems have another steal, the media goes silent, big tech will punish anyone who questions it, and the RNC will ask for donations “to strengthen election laws”.
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Interesting article daydreaming about a Haley/Noem ticket with an interesting cabinet:
https://highlandcountypress.com/Content/Opinions/Opinion/Article/Nikki-Haley-Kristi-Noem-and-their-Cabinet-in-2025/4/22/84854 (https://highlandcountypress.com/Content/Opinions/Opinion/Article/Nikki-Haley-Kristi-Noem-and-their-Cabinet-in-2025/4/22/84854)
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Interesting article daydreaming about a Haley/Noem ticket with an interesting cabinet:
https://highlandcountypress.com/Content/Opinions/Opinion/Article/Nikki-Haley-Kristi-Noem-and-their-Cabinet-in-2025/4/22/84854 (https://highlandcountypress.com/Content/Opinions/Opinion/Article/Nikki-Haley-Kristi-Noem-and-their-Cabinet-in-2025/4/22/84854)
I’m no longer a Haley fan.
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Gavin Newsome, dear God.
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But Trump said we could. Hell, I even yelled it at a chant at a Trump rally.
I don’t know why he didn’t do this, but you could sever all political appointees. Put a friendly team as interim leadership, and seal and destroy anyone who refuses to play ball. If you can’t fire them, put them in the Mail room. Have hiring freezes for 8 years and let agencies shrink by attrition. Etc etc.
Politicians say a lot of things. At least Trump did most or much of what he said but dismantling this USSR style bureacracy they've created, enabled by our busy lives can not be removed except by an actual war against it.
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Politicians say a lot of things. At least Trump did most or much of what he said but dismantling this USSR style bureacracy they've created, enabled by our busy lives can not be removed except by an actual war against it.
Pretty much true. He was surrounded by enemies who did not present themselves as such. Fauci is a prime example. Trump took him at face value and trusted him to do what was best for the people. Turns out it was Fauci himself who funded the gain of function research at the lab that was the likely source of the outbreak.
Remember after the 2020 election in a staff meeting Trump stated he was appointing Sidney Powell as his lawyer and the next morning Powell was blocked from entering the White House or communicating with Trump? His staff outright disobeyed him and isolated him from his allies.
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Great tactic by the DNC. Get everyone focused on Trump, Trump, Trump.
Let's completely ignore the sewerage spewing from the white house. Let's completely ignore the incompentence of the white house.
Let's completely ignore inflation, economy, our rights being trashed.
Nope, let's talk up Trump and conflicts with other people (real or made up)
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Great tactic by the DNC. Get everyone focused on Trump, Trump, Trump.
Let's completely ignore the sewerage spewing from the white house. Let's completely ignore the incompentence of the white house.
Let's completely ignore inflation, economy, our rights being trashed.
Nope, let's talk up Trump and conflicts with other people (real or made up)
Correct.
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Hobbs is claiming she has won.
Where will conservatives ever find someone unafraid to call out election fraud? To take the constant heat? To NOT CAVE to the left and RINOs? To NOT QUIT, as you think he should?
Lake probably lost BECAUSE she was calling out election fraud and trying expel the leftist pinko commies from the Republican Party. That probably turned a lot of independents off.
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Great tactic by the DNC. Get everyone focused on Trump, Trump, Trump.
Let's completely ignore the sewerage spewing from the white house. Let's completely ignore the incompentence of the white house.
Let's completely ignore inflation, economy, our rights being trashed.
Nope, let's talk up Trump and conflicts with other people (real or made up)
Most of us are smart enough and coordinated enough to walk and chew gum at the same time. Not sure about you, but I make independent decisions. I’m not a lemming. I think most people on our side aren’t lemmings either.
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Lake probably lost BECAUSE she was calling out election fraud and trying expel the leftist pinko commies from the Republican Party. That probably turned a lot of independents off.
I'm thinking she probably should have kept her mouth shut about fixing the election fraud. Just get in then do it.
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Lake probably lost BECAUSE she was calling out election fraud and trying expel the leftist pinko commies from the Republican Party. That probably turned a lot of independents off.
why would independents get turned off by calling out fraud?
do independents support election fraud?
do independents support lack of election integrity?
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why would independents get turned off by calling out fraud?
do independents support election fraud?
do independents support lack of election integrity?
The counter-argument being made is that the right to vote is being denied. When election fraud is mentioned the counter-argument is repeated and the fraud issue not answered. As in engineering, there are tradeoffs between insuring integrity vs insuring the right to vote isn't unduly inhibited. That is the thrust of the counter-argument and it is repeated as emotionally as possible under the guise of fairness. So some may be persuaded to ignore or down-play integrity problems and accept the right to vote as a higher priority.
You and I may not agree or like it, but I think it is a mistake to assert to independents that they support election fraud over integrity - they'll say they don't like fraud, but think voting rights are under attack. Perhaps it is best to ask them to name individuals who they know who have been denied the right to vote by any election integrity law.
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The counter-argument being made is that the right to vote is being denied. When election fraud is mentioned the counter-argument is repeated and the fraud issue not answered. As in engineering, there are tradeoffs between insuring integrity vs insuring the right to vote isn't unduly inhibited. That is the thrust of the counter-argument and it is repeated as emotionally as possible under the guise of fairness. So some may be persuaded to ignore or down-play integrity problems and accept the right to vote as a higher priority.
You and I may not agree or like it, but I think it is a mistake to assert to independents that they support election fraud over integrity - they'll say they don't like fraud, but think voting rights are under attack. Perhaps it is best to ask them to name individuals who they know who have been denied the right to vote by any election integrity law.
I'd be happy to debate anyone who thinks it's voter suppression when requiring a voter establish that they are in fact eligible to vote.
Requiring an ID? how is that suppression? Is it suppression to require an ID to board an airline flight? Is it suppression to require an ID to open a bank account? Is it suppression to require an ID to buy a firearm?
In fact, I have an actual valid point that allowing election fraud is violating my right to vote.
btw - as a (now retired) engineer I'm well aware of requirement tradeoffs.
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It's racist to require ID to vote. But not to require ID for everything else.
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It's racist to require ID to vote. But not to require ID for everything else.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/10/31/joe-biden-uses-photo-id-to-vote-early-in-delaware/
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The counter-argument being made is that the right to vote is being denied. When election fraud is mentioned the counter-argument is repeated and the fraud issue not answered. As in engineering, there are tradeoffs between insuring integrity vs insuring the right to vote isn't unduly inhibited. That is the thrust of the counter-argument and it is repeated as emotionally as possible under the guise of fairness. So some may be persuaded to ignore or down-play integrity problems and accept the right to vote as a higher priority.
You and I may not agree or like it, but I think it is a mistake to assert to independents that they support election fraud over integrity - they'll say they don't like fraud, but think voting rights are under attack. Perhaps it is best to ask them to name individuals who they know who have been denied the right to vote by any election integrity law.
I am surprised if independents are swayed by a phrase that has zero basis in fact. How about asking them what actions have been taken that denies voting. Hint: there are none. Asking for a voter ID has never denied a single person the right to lawfully cast a vote.
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why would independents get turned off by calling out fraud?
Because they have been convinced it is a wacko right wing conspiracy. They believe this because they hate Trump. Otherwise they wouldn't be I's.
do independents support election fraud?
No, they just don't like people that they think follow wacko conspiracy theories.
do independents support lack of election integrity?
No. But they have been convinced that election integrity is not a problem.
"I don't see any election fraud" said the blind man.