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Title: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2022, 06:26:29 AM
Stan, Little Joe, and other anti-Trumpers, do me a favor?  Listen to this?  Please?  It is Trump vs Biden, but tell me that you trust DeSantis just as much to do these things.  Example difference:  The foreign policy part, Trump’s understanding.  I’ll list them but the discussion is important.

https://rumble.com/v1v3khi-my-top-five-reasons-for-supporting-trump-in-2024.html

1. Refusal to support the transpacific partnership (huge loss to U.S. economy)

2. Energy

3. Foreign policy

4. Taxes

5. Abuse of the federal system such as IRS expansion

6. Don’t want a nuclear war (yeah I know, Styx can’t count, ha ha)
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: jb1842 on November 17, 2022, 06:47:16 AM
We aren't anti-Trump because we don't like him. We love the guy and what he did. We just don't think this country can survive a further onslaught from the left another Trump campaign/presidency will bring. The country is on the ropes as it is with voter fraud, corrupt politicians, inflation, "foreign aid", etc. The GOP is afraid to fix it, and they won't support Trump. Any Republican candidate is going to get hit hard. It will be a nuclear attack if it's Trump. We can't survive that, no matter how much we want it.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2022, 06:57:52 AM
Any Republican candidate is going to get hit hard. It will be a nuclear attack if it's Trump. We can't survive that, no matter how much we want it.

   ANY republican getting the nomination will be nuked.  And under the current situation, there is no way a republican can get elected as president.

  Fix the state election systems and that changes.   And by fixing it, I mean play the game right back on the dims, just better.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2022, 06:59:52 AM
We aren't anti-Trump because we don't like him. We love the guy and what he did. We just don't think this country can survive a further onslaught from the left another Trump campaign/presidency will bring. The country is on the ropes as it is with voter fraud, corrupt politicians, inflation, "foreign aid", etc. The GOP is afraid to fix it, and they won't support Trump. Any Republican candidate is going to get hit hard. It will be a nuclear attack if it's Trump. We can't survive that, no matter how much we want it.

I understand all that and don’t necessarily disagree, however, your whole argument hinges on they will attack Trump more than they will DeSantis or another.  Maybe that is true but I don’t believe it yet.  There is a good chance they’ll get just as vicious with DeSantis.  If DeSantis announces, they will hold off on DeSantis to get rid of Trump, then when Trump loses in the primary they’ll take off the gloves with DeSantis.

What that boils down to is:  Can DeSantis take the punishment?  Trump has proven he can, DeSantis is an unknown.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on November 17, 2022, 07:24:54 AM
We aren't anti-Trump because we don't like him. We love the guy and what he did. We just don't think this country can survive a further onslaught from the left another Trump campaign/presidency will bring. The country is on the ropes as it is with voter fraud, corrupt politicians, inflation, "foreign aid", etc. The GOP is afraid to fix it, and they won't support Trump. Any Republican candidate is going to get hit hard. It will be a nuclear attack if it's Trump. We can't survive that, no matter how much we want it.
You misspelled uniparty
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: jb1842 on November 17, 2022, 07:27:03 AM
I understand all that and don’t necessarily disagree, however, your whole argument hinges on they will attack Trump more than they will DeSantis or another.  Maybe that is true but I don’t believe it yet.  There is a good chance they’ll get just as vicious with DeSantis.  If DeSantis announces, they will hold off on DeSantis to get rid of Trump, then when Trump loses in the primary they’ll take off the gloves with DeSantis.

What that boils down to is:  Can DeSantis take the punishment?  Trump has proven he can, DeSantis is an unknown.

I believe DeSantis can. He has weathered the attacks so far and has come out on top. They will go full bore on him, no doubt. But the left has a special hate for Trump like no other. Trump was an unknown, politically, and look at all the good he did.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2022, 07:32:28 AM
I believe DeSantis can. He has weathered the attacks so far and has come out on top. They will go full bore on him, no doubt. But the left has a special hate for Trump like no other. Trump was an unknown, politically, and look at all the good he did.

    The left has a special hate for anyone who runs against them.

  Right now the left is churning up infighting in the republican party.  They want to get rid of Trump now, once and for all because they really fear him in 2024.   The left wants DeSantis to get the nomination, and with their Big Tech and MSM, they are pushing hard.

 Get rid of Trump, put DeSantis on top, then destroy him and his family in 2024.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2022, 07:35:42 AM
You misspelled uniparty

Yes.  The betrayals from the GOP hurt the midterms more than the left did, and it was because of hate for Trump.  The Democrats are supposed to try to hurt Trump, the Republicans are supposed to support him.  Therefore I hold the Republicans in more contempt.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2022, 07:45:46 AM
    The left has a special hate for anyone who runs against them.

  Right now the left is churning up infighting in the republican party.  They want to get rid of Trump now, once and for all because they really fear him in 2024.   The left wants DeSantis to get the nomination, and with their Big Tech and MSM, they are pushing hard.

 Get rid of Trump, put DeSantis on top, then destroy him and his family in 2024.

I think this is the plan and establishment GOP is consciously going along with it, while we rank and file are falling for it and letting the propaganda divide us.  For example, I haven’t seen DeSantis get all offended at what Trump said.  So why should we?   Because Fox, CNN, Yahoo, Buzzfeed, etc. keep egging us on about it.

What we have is a lot of excellent fighters lined up, with Trump at the head.  Then DeSantis, Lake, Paul, etc.  all as backup plans.  They will take out Trump first, then go for the next, destroy him, go for the next, etc.  Aren’t we better off helping the first one stand as long as possible?

We are allowing them to use us to help knock out the first in line.  We are being played.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Username on November 17, 2022, 07:58:10 AM
President Trump must know that he can't win.  Not with so much aligned against him.  But wouldn't it be better for him to stand as long as he can and serve as a lightning rod for DeSantis?  With President Trump now in the running, the MSM, uniparty, globalists, and others are spending all their time attacking him they have little room left for DeSantis.  If President Trump can continue on the course set by his last speech: calm, reasoned, hope for the country, pointing out the uniparty's failings, then he will attract many more to our side.  He may get destroyed in the process, but with so many new thoughtful people, not as much hate left over for DeSantis, and even he fails in getting the nomination President Trump STILL attracting the bulk of the shit spew... perhaps we will win.

(Note: this is a fallback position.  I truly hope President Trump wins the nomination and retakes the presidency.)
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2022, 08:32:05 AM
President Trump must know that he can't win.  Not with so much aligned against him.  But wouldn't it be better for him to stand as long as he can and serve as a lightning rod for DeSantis?  With President Trump now in the running, the MSM, uniparty, globalists, and others are spending all their time attacking him they have little room left for DeSantis.  If President Trump can continue on the course set by his last speech: calm, reasoned, hope for the country, pointing out the uniparty's failings, then he will attract many more to our side.  He may get destroyed in the process, but with so many new thoughtful people, not as much hate left over for DeSantis, and even he fails in getting the nomination President Trump STILL attracting the bulk of the shit spew... perhaps we will win.

(Note: this is a fallback position.  I truly hope President Trump wins the nomination and retakes the presidency.)

Not bad.  Let their blind hatred fall on him for two years then replace him with DeSantis at the last minute for the win.  They will not have had time to come up with the bimbos and past tax return technical misdemeanors, etc. to heap on DeSantis.  Maybe it will work but I still don’t agree that Trump can’t win.  I fear it’s true because of cheating though which I think they’ll do equally with DeSantis.  I don’t think the uniparty, through the cheating six states that refuse to fix their fucking elections, will ever let Republicans or a non-approved Democrat be president ever again.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 17, 2022, 08:39:26 AM
We aren't anti-Trump because we don't like him. We love the guy and what he did. We just don't think this country can survive a further onslaught from the left another Trump campaign/presidency will bring. The country is on the ropes as it is with voter fraud, corrupt politicians, inflation, "foreign aid", etc. The GOP is afraid to fix it, and they won't support Trump. Any Republican candidate is going to get hit hard. It will be a nuclear attack if it's Trump. We can't survive that, no matter how much we want it.

It's not President Trump's fault that the left hates him.  The hatred is coming from the left.  The lies are coming from the left.  Don't blame President Trump.

It's kind of like blaming the woman who was raped.

Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: bflynn on November 17, 2022, 08:40:59 AM
...however, your whole argument hinges on they will attack Trump more than they will DeSantis or another.

Actually, I think the argument is that they will go insane with hate over Trump, get really energized and come out in droves to vote against him.  With anyone, they're going to attack, but they haven't spent 8 years teaching everyone to hate them. 

Bottom line, Trump is radioactive and Democrats will go to any extreme to stop him.  They believe the outcome justifies any means.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Username on November 17, 2022, 08:48:43 AM
It's not President Trump's fault that the left hates him.  The hatred is coming from the left.  The lies are coming from the left.  Don't blame President Trump.

It's kind of like blaming the woman who was raped.
It's those mean tweets.  To the democrats he was asking for it.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: jb1842 on November 17, 2022, 09:01:04 AM
It's not President Trump's fault that the left hates him.  The hatred is coming from the left.  The lies are coming from the left.  Don't blame President Trump.

It's kind of like blaming the woman who was raped.

I would never blame a woman for being raped. I would question why she would go on another date with her rapist, though.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Number7 on November 17, 2022, 09:13:14 AM
It's those mean tweets.  To the democrats he was asking for it.

Commie democrat lawyers and other kinds of shitheads were the ones that make blaming the rape victim popular.
just ask cankles.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Little Joe on November 17, 2022, 09:21:29 AM
Stan, Little Joe, and other anti-Trumpers, do me a favor?  Listen to this?
I didn't listen to it because I am not an anti-Trumper.  I love (most of) the things Trump did.  My problem with Trump is that if he gets the nomination he will lose and we will have another Democrat in office.  I just don't understand how you don't see that.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 17, 2022, 09:24:40 AM
I didn't listen to it because I am not an anti-Trumper.  I love (most of) the things Trump did.  My problem with Trump is that if he gets the nomination he will lose and we will have another Democrat in office.  I just don't understand how you don't see that.

I guess a point of contention is the appearance of accepting the reasons President Trump would lose. 

If we can eliminate cheating in the battleground states, would President Trump still lose?

(I know, I know, eliminating the cheating is mission impossible)

Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2022, 09:24:46 AM
We aren't anti-Trump because we don't like him. We love the guy and what he did. We just don't think this country can survive a further onslaught from the left another Trump campaign/presidency will bring. The country is on the ropes as it is with voter fraud, corrupt politicians, inflation, "foreign aid", etc. The GOP is afraid to fix it, and they won't support Trump. Any Republican candidate is going to get hit hard. It will be a nuclear attack if it's Trump. We can't survive that, no matter how much we want it.
^^^^This.

My recent irritation with Trump is not about past performance or “mean tweets.”  It’s about trying to kneecap my primary candidate for POTUS in 2024.

I recently had to fire a 57-year old employee. He was technically brilliant, but quirky and difficult to deal with. For 10 years I’ve fallen on the sword for him when he didn’t manage projects or was unprofessional or when he got belligerent at the bar at a tax conference. The last straw when when he dressed down a new staff guy, used the F word, asked if the staff was a heroin addict, etc.  that may have worked in 1985, but not today. I could no longer fall on the sword, and his continued presence on my team and in my firm would be a detriment.

That’s exactly how I feel about Trump.

Also, we deserve 8 years, not 4.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 17, 2022, 09:26:47 AM
I don't quite understand the fixation on needing 8 years rather than only 4 years.  After all, in 2020, President Trump would only have had 4 more years.

Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2022, 10:16:23 AM
    The left has a special hate for anyone who runs against them.

  Right now the left is churning up infighting in the republican party.  They want to get rid of Trump now, once and for all because they really fear him in 2024.   The left wants DeSantis to get the nomination, and with their Big Tech and MSM, they are pushing hard.

 Get rid of Trump, put DeSantis on top, then destroy him and his family in 2024.
I actually think it’s the opposite. If you listen, the left is NOT freaked out by Trump running. In fact I think they are salivating at it, just like we are if they run Biden or Harris.

I do think they fear DeSantis more, because of how he grew the GOP base in Florida, and got things done, particularly in fighting the culture war and fighting for voter integrity, after he signed legislation in 2021 limiting voting by Mail and drop boxes.

The long knives for DeSantis will come as soon as he announces.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Little Joe on November 17, 2022, 10:27:35 AM
I actually think it’s the opposite. If you listen, the left is NOT freaked out by Trump running. In fact I think they are salivating at it, just like we are if they run Biden or Harris.

I do think they fear DeSantis more, because of how he grew the GOP base in Florida, and got things done, particularly in fighting the culture war and fighting for voter integrity, after he signed legislation in 2021 limiting voting by Mail and drop boxes.

The long knives for DeSantis will come as soon as he announces.
Agree.  In fact, one of the tactics the left used this election was to vote in Republican primaries to get Trump supporters the nomination because they reasoned Trump supporters would be easier to defeat in the general.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Number7 on November 17, 2022, 11:51:19 AM
Agree.  In fact, one of the tactics the left used this election was to vote in Republican primaries to get Trump supporters the nomination because they reasoned Trump supporters would be easier to defeat in the general.

There is a reason I ignore the blabbering bullshit of rinos and other kinds of useless people.

That kind of logic is it.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2022, 02:26:08 PM
    The left has a special hate for anyone who runs against them.

  Right now the left is churning up infighting in the republican party.  They want to get rid of Trump now, once and for all because they really fear him in 2024.   The left wants DeSantis to get the nomination, and with their Big Tech and MSM, they are pushing hard.

 Get rid of Trump, put DeSantis on top, then destroy him and his family in 2024.
Don’t confuse me for someone being churned up by the left. I credit all but maybe two people here at PS as smart, independent thinkers.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 17, 2022, 02:51:51 PM
There simply is no one else who will do this.

https://youtu.be/YvPgXkl8v_o
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Little Joe on November 17, 2022, 03:00:51 PM
There is a reason I ignore the blabbering bullshit of rinos and other kinds of useless people.

That kind of logic is it.
That explains a lot.  If you don't agree with something, you ignore it.  I guess it works ok for Ostriches.  They still exist.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2022, 03:08:46 PM
There simply is no one else who will do this.

https://youtu.be/YvPgXkl8v_o

That is exactly what I’m talking about.  I don’t want a man at the helm to “get along”.  I want him to lay down the law, to dominate, because that’s what it takes against these assholes. Trump happens to law down the law in directions I want, against people who are my enemies.  Do you know how rare that is? 
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2022, 03:16:51 PM
I think this is the plan and establishment GOP is consciously going along with it, while we rank and file are falling for it and letting the propaganda divide us.  For example, I haven’t seen DeSantis get all offended at what Trump said.  So why should we?   Because Fox, CNN, Yahoo, Buzzfeed, etc. keep egging us on about it.

What we have is a lot of excellent fighters lined up, with Trump at the head.  Then DeSantis, Lake, Paul, etc.  all as backup plans.  They will take out Trump first, then go for the next, destroy him, go for the next, etc.  Aren’t we better off helping the first one stand as long as possible?

We are allowing them to use us to help knock out the first in line.  We are being played.
4, 8, 8, 8

Those are the years each can give us of a conservative presidency.  One of these is not like the others.

And as I’ve said before, we have the right to be selfish and get the most bang for our buck. 10 years from today, I want a conservative president. The Constitution prohibits Trump from being that president.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2022, 03:28:17 PM
4, 8, 8, 8

Those are the years each can give us of a conservative presidency.  One of these is not like the others.

And as I’ve said before, we have the right to be selfish and get the most bang for our buck. 10 years from today, I want a conservative president. The Constitution prohibits Trump from being that president.

There’s nothing that says a conservative can’t win in 2028 after a Trump term.  Well other than the cheating Dems but they’ll do that anyway.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Little Joe on November 17, 2022, 03:49:55 PM
4, 8, 8, 8

Those are the years each can give us of a conservative presidency.  One of these is not like the others.

And as I’ve said before, we have the right to be selfish and get the most bang for our buck. 10 years from today, I want a conservative president. The Constitution prohibits Trump from being that president.
The fact that Trump can only server for 4 years is not what bothers me. After all, in 4 years, he will be REALLY old.
What bothers me more is that even IF Trump can win, (which I really don't believe), he will assure such a backlash that no Republican will ever win again for decades.

As much as I love and respect Rush, I really do think DeSantis has what it takes.  He has proven that to me for the past 9 years.  He has always stuck up for his principles and has delivered what he promised.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2022, 03:55:11 PM
From 2016

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1593053616809865217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1593053616809865217%7Ctwgr%5Ee2fe5947d07ecaa9e2a340d684419a224d1caf23%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2022%2F11%2Fmust-see-flashback-video-michael-moores-2016-dead-accurate-prediction-donald-j-trump%2F
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 17, 2022, 04:17:11 PM
The fact that Trump can only server for 4 years is not what bothers me. After all, in 4 years, he will be REALLY old.
What bothers me more is that even IF Trump can win, (which I really don't believe), he will assure such a backlash that no Republican will ever win again for decades.

As much as I love and respect Rush, I really do think DeSantis has what it takes.  He has proven that to me for the past 9 years.  He has always stuck up for his principles and has delivered what he promised.

Oh I forget, some of y’all live in Florida.  For you then I give you a pass. 
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 17, 2022, 05:24:50 PM
From 2016

https://twitter.com/ChuckCallesto/status/1593053616809865217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1593053616809865217%7Ctwgr%5Ee2fe5947d07ecaa9e2a340d684419a224d1caf23%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2022%2F11%2Fmust-see-flashback-video-michael-moores-2016-dead-accurate-prediction-donald-j-trump%2F

I remember seeing that in 2016 and finding it hard to believe that Moore thought he was being harsh on Trump with it.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2022, 07:19:54 PM
I would never blame a woman for being raped. I would question why she would go on another date with her rapist, though.
Gold.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2022, 07:27:34 PM
I don't quite understand the fixation on needing 8 years rather than only 4 years.  After all, in 2020, President Trump would only have had 4 more years.
We have a democrat president TODAY. Our next chance to get a Republican president is in 2024, which, if it is NOT Trump, gives him or her the benefit of incumbency going into 2028.

As I’ve said before, the public has only given a political party back to back presidencies twice in the last 100 years. Ergo, the chance of a Republican winning the 2028 election is nil if Trump actually wins in 2024. It’s much better if said Republican was an incumbent going into in 2028.

I want a Republican president 10 years from today. If Trump runs and happens to win, which I doubt, will will almost certainly not have a Republican president 10 years from today.
Title: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2022, 07:33:28 PM
That is exactly what I’m talking about.  I don’t want a man at the helm to “get along”.  I want him to lay down the law, to dominate, because that’s what it takes against these assholes. Trump happens to law down the law in directions I want, against people who are my enemies.  Do you know how rare that is?
I don’t think a single person here except for one didn’t think what he did was great.  I don’t have to restate my feeling that he was the best conservative president in my lifetime.

But he has to get elected to do it again, and I don’t think that will happen.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 17, 2022, 07:40:01 PM
There’s nothing that says a conservative can’t win in 2028 after a Trump term.  Well other than the cheating Dems but they’ll do that anyway.
Anything can happen, yes. But history shows it’s only happened twice in the last 100 years:

-Calvin Coolidge -Herbert Hoover

-Ronald Reagan-George HW Bush
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Lucifer on November 17, 2022, 07:40:36 PM
No one here can predict the future. 

I never imagined the disasters of the Obama presidency and the follow up Biden disaster.  But here we are.

 The battlefield ahead has more to do with matching the game and being better at it than the democrat communist.

 Who will be the nominee?  Dunno.  A lot can happen over the next two years.  A lot. 

 I’m gonna sit back and watch it play out.  I do know for sure, if the republicans don’t get their act together in the battleground states, we will never see another Republican president. 

I’m focused on the process right now. 
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 17, 2022, 08:12:26 PM
I think the only hope is to enlighten people that the picture being painted by the media of President Trump is designed to repulse people. Look at the language they use and the accusations they make.

Whereas in real life he is a fiercely loyal American and beloved of his friends and family, smart, pleasant, attentive and straightforward in his interactions, and generous.

(http://)
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 20, 2022, 07:38:41 AM
No one here can predict the future. 

I never imagined the disasters of the Obama presidency and the follow up Biden disaster.  But here we are.

 The battlefield ahead has more to do with matching the game and being better at it than the democrat communist.

 Who will be the nominee?  Dunno.  A lot can happen over the next two years.  A lot. 

 I’m gonna sit back and watch it play out.  I do know for sure, if the republicans don’t get their act together in the battleground states, we will never see another Republican president. 

I’m focused on the process right now.

I thought I saw you post somewhere else that we need to play their same game now, I assume ballot harvesting and such?  The same dirty tricks the Dems use except no outright cheating (dead people etc.)  Maybe I’m misremembering.  Here is an opinion why we shouldn’t.  Makes sense although I am NOT saying I agree or disagree.  I don’t know enough yet to predict the ultimate outcome.  If the Republicans start being okay with that, it could eventually come back to bite us.  On the other hand it does appear it’s here to stay with the Dems.  I prefer not, but I don’t know how on earth to change election law in districts controlled by Dems who stay in control because of those very laws.

If your opponent cheats and you play fair, how do you ever win?  If you conclude you must cheat also, then it’s like a sports competition where everybody is taking steroids.  It’s just not right.

https://rumble.com/v1vu60w-ballot-harvesting-is-the-political-ring-of-sauron.html
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Lucifer on November 20, 2022, 08:12:46 AM
I thought I saw you post somewhere else that we need to play their same game now, I assume ballot harvesting and such?  The same dirty tricks the Dems use except no outright cheating (dead people etc.)  Maybe I’m misremembering.  Here is an opinion why we shouldn’t.  Makes sense although I am NOT saying I agree or disagree.  I don’t know enough yet to predict the ultimate outcome.  If the Republicans start being okay with that, it could eventually come back to bite us.  On the other hand it does appear it’s here to stay with the Dems.  I prefer not, but I don’t know how on earth to change election law in districts controlled by Dems who stay in control because of those very laws.

If your opponent cheats and you play fair, how do you ever win?  If you conclude you must cheat also, then it’s like a sports competition where everybody is taking steroids.  It’s just not right.

https://rumble.com/v1vu60w-ballot-harvesting-is-the-political-ring-of-sauron.html

 The way to defeat this bs is what’s been happening, clean up the voter rolls and stop mass ballot dumping.   That’s a start..

 In states that have ballot harvesting legal, the R’s need to harvest.   Put drop boxes at gun shows, patriotic events and other venues with heavy republican turnout.   Do all of it legal per state law, and clean up voter databases.

 It’s about ballots, not votes.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Old Crow on November 20, 2022, 08:26:26 AM
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It’s about ballots, not votes.
And it's also about who counts the votes.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 20, 2022, 09:37:33 AM
And it's also about who counts the votes.

That needs to be emphazed..

and don't forget who certifies the results.

Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Lucifer on November 20, 2022, 01:07:57 PM
Controlling the ballot is the first step.  Stopping a massive ballot drop to dead people and to invalid addresses, along with non existent voters limits the number of ballots.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: jb1842 on November 20, 2022, 01:35:06 PM
Make voting day a national holiday. I would be for making this a paid day off for all. No excuse now for people not to show up in person to vote now.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Number7 on November 20, 2022, 01:39:22 PM
The die is cast.

No matter the circumstances the dildo brigade of faux republicans are going to show up,
whine like the little bitches they are, and undermine the election until they get four
more years of the cluster fuck they want with every fiber of their being, even if they lie
like a persian rug, claiming they want a conservative in the White House.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Lucifer on November 20, 2022, 02:12:29 PM
Give your average person a day off, and voting is not high on the list.

Just saying.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Little Joe on November 20, 2022, 04:13:34 PM
Make voting day a national holiday. I would be for making this a paid day off for all. No excuse now for people not to show up in person to vote now.
I have considered that, but I keep coming back to the fact that you are forcing small business owners to pay their employees a full day for doing nothing, and most of them probably aren't going to vote anyway.  And if they do, it doesn't take all day

I'd rather see voting day expanded to 3 days, like Friday, Saturday and Sunday.  I'd imagine that more than 90% of the people would have one of those days off and wouldn't need absentee ballots.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: jb1842 on November 20, 2022, 04:21:03 PM
I have considered that, but I keep coming back to the fact that you are forcing small business owners to pay their employees a full day for doing nothing, and most of them probably aren't going to vote anyway.  And if they do, it doesn't take all day

I'd rather see voting day expanded to 3 days, like Friday, Saturday and Sunday.  I'd imagine that more than 90% of the people would have one of those days off and wouldn't need absentee ballots.

I thought of that, too. We could easily reimburse business owners with all the money we send overseas in foreign aid.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 22, 2022, 10:54:41 AM
I think the only hope is to enlighten people that the picture being painted by the media of President Trump is designed to repulse people. Look at the language they use and the accusations they make.

Whereas in real life he is a fiercely loyal American and beloved of his friends and family, smart, pleasant, attentive and straightforward in his interactions, and generous.

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You know all that, and I know all that.  But I think a relevant question is how many general election voters are there that would be persuadable towards Trump?  His base is pretty baked in. I just don’t see many more coming on board in order to win. 
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 22, 2022, 10:59:29 AM
The way to defeat this bs is what’s been happening, clean up the voter rolls and stop mass ballot dumping.   That’s a start..

 In states that have ballot harvesting legal, the R’s need to harvest.   Put drop boxes at gun shows, patriotic events and other venues with heavy republican turnout.   Do all of it legal per state law, and clean up voter databases.

 It’s about ballots, not votes.
This is accurate. We need to play their game, but better.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 22, 2022, 11:21:42 AM
This is accurate. We need to play their game, but better.

Their game includes going into nursing homes and directing demented people to fill in the box they point to, xeroxing ballots, paying homeless people to fill out ballots, etc.  People need to be caught red handed and sent to PRISON for this shit.  We can’t stoop to that level and I don’t see us winning as long as they get away with it.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 22, 2022, 11:22:40 AM
I have considered that, but I keep coming back to the fact that you are forcing small business owners to pay their employees a full day for doing nothing, and most of them probably aren't going to vote anyway.  And if they do, it doesn't take all day

I'd rather see voting day expanded to 3 days, like Friday, Saturday and Sunday.  I'd imagine that more than 90% of the people would have one of those days off and wouldn't need absentee ballots.
I agree with Josh, but I get the business side too. Since most small businesses do NOT take days off for Columbus Day, Presidents Day, or MLK day, swapping by those out don’t solve the small business problem. 

Unless you’re involved in hospitality, transportation or retail, most small businesses do take Labor Day as a paid holiday. Swap Labor Day for Election Day and I’m good with that.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 22, 2022, 11:28:05 AM
Their game includes going into nursing homes and directing demented people to fill in the box they point to, xeroxing ballots, paying homeless people to fill out ballots, etc.  People need to be caught red handed and sent to PRISON for this shit.  We can’t stoop to that level and I don’t see us winning as long as they get away with it.
No, but we can be there when the Dems come, have law enforcement and a constitutional DA on speed dial, and make nursing home ownership and management aware that they are abetting a felony for allowing strangers to come in and strong arm incompetent or unwilling voters into voting.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 22, 2022, 11:40:36 AM
No, but we can be there when the Dems come, have law enforcement and a constitutional DA on speed dial, and make nursing home ownership and management aware that they are abetting a felony for allowing strangers to come in and strong arm incompetent or unwilling voters into voting.

They will need to be held accountable.  Arrests and convictions for said felony abetting.  It won’t happen.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 22, 2022, 11:54:00 AM
I agree with Josh, but I get the business side too. Since most small businesses do NOT take days off for Columbus Day, Presidents Day, or MLK day, swapping by those out don’t solve the small business problem. 

Unless you’re involved in hospitality, transportation or retail, most small businesses do take Labor Day as a paid holiday. Swap Labor Day for Election Day and I’m good with that.

I’m good with mandating the day off, NOT mandating it be paid leave.  You really care about your vote?  Get a second job to make up your lost wages on vote day, if you’re so strapped you can’t afford one unpaid day.  Quit having kids you can’t afford.  Don’t get a big loan for a new car you can’t afford.  People need to carry their own weight and responsibilities.  Why the hell should a business take on that extra financial burden off you, just so you can go vote?  You have a right to vote, you do NOT have a right to other peoples’ money so you can vote, because you failed to manage your own finances to account for it.  You had all year to plan for Election Day.  Mandate the business allow you the day off, one day without losing your job.  That’s all that should be required of them.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 22, 2022, 12:05:41 PM
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109385233575143635

Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 22, 2022, 12:34:57 PM
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/109385233575143635

I never made an account.  :(
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: nddons on November 22, 2022, 12:58:29 PM
I never made an account.  :(
It is interesting that he might reject Twitter in favor of Truth Social. Not sure what the relative member numbers are, but I’m sure TS is minuscule to Twitter.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 22, 2022, 01:10:25 PM
It is interesting that he might reject Twitter in favor of Truth Social. Not sure what the relative member numbers are, but I’m sure TS is minuscule to Twitter.

Ben Shapiro or somebody said today.  I forgot but it was like 50,000 on Truth Social and 70 million on Twitter.  Something like those numbers.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 22, 2022, 02:18:56 PM
I never made an account.  :(

Me neither, but the link works for me. It’s an interesting video.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 22, 2022, 02:41:57 PM
Me neither, but the link works for me. It’s an interesting video.

 I hobbled into the office and it works on Windows.  Wouldn't work on my iPad.

Hey!  I could have been reading Trump on Truth Social all this time?!!
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Rush on November 22, 2022, 03:17:16 PM
I was way off.  Trump has 4.63 Million followers on Truth Social and 87.6 Million on Twitter.

Still a huge proportionate difference.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 22, 2022, 03:57:12 PM
I’d join Truth Social but I’m too lazy to come up with a dummy phone number. I wonder if I could use the land line number from our previous house?
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Little Joe on November 22, 2022, 04:33:22 PM
I’d join Truth Social but I’m too lazy to come up with a dummy phone number. I wonder if I could use the land line number from our previous house?
Try it and see.
I have used the phone number of my liberal in-laws before.  Nobody knew or cared.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 22, 2022, 04:44:59 PM
I’d join Truth Social but I’m too lazy to come up with a dummy phone number. I wonder if I could use the land line number from our previous house?

try  800-289-9633 (800-BUZZ-OFF)

or  800-382-4633 (I'll let you figure that one out...)

I suspect that they wouldn't accept an 800 number...
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 22, 2022, 04:52:30 PM
Try it and see.
I have used the phone number of my liberal in-laws before.  Nobody knew or cared.

The idea of using a liberal friend’s cell number is sooooo tempting. They’d start getting texts from President Trump!!! Hahahahahah!!!
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on November 22, 2022, 04:53:59 PM
try  800-289-9633 (800-BUZZ-OFF)

or  800-382-4633 (I'll let you figure that one out...)

I suspect that they wouldn't accept an 800 number...

Bob, wash yer mouth out with soap!
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on November 22, 2022, 04:55:50 PM
Bob bad.

Bob sorry.

Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Jim Logajan on November 22, 2022, 05:59:03 PM
867-5309
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: elwood blues on November 23, 2022, 09:49:52 PM
I use 202-456-1414.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Lucifer on December 13, 2022, 07:57:22 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/LjlpnB4.jpg)
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 19, 2022, 03:36:17 PM
Because he understands what makes a safe, flourishing nation for its citizens.

https://gab.com/realdonaldtrump/posts/109542107157455390
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on February 03, 2023, 03:40:30 PM
The writer John C. Wright has been cataloguing Trump accomplishments since the very beginning, and has kept it up as downstream from the Trump presidency are many, many gains.

President Trump is a workaholic, and during his time in office I read his tweets every day. Having a President who not only literally kept in touch with us directly, but also worked hard for us, was the probably for me the most impressive performance by a politician I’ve ever seen.

https://www.scifiwright.com/category/not-tired-of-winning/
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Number7 on February 03, 2023, 04:56:37 PM
Yeah… but he sent mean tweets.

Better we have the senile pedophile and his crime syndicate than pussies get triggered by mean tweets.
Title: Re: Why to vote for Trump
Post by: Anthony on February 04, 2023, 03:42:39 AM
Because he understands what makes a safe, flourishing nation for its citizens.

https://gab.com/realdonaldtrump/posts/109542107157455390

Exactly, but the Fascist Globalist controlled Democrats know what it takes to destroy prosperity and the Nation.  And they're in control of every important part of society.