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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: bflynn on December 05, 2022, 06:21:16 AM

Title: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: bflynn on December 05, 2022, 06:21:16 AM
So, nobody wants to talk about Trump’s faux pax on Truth Social? 

For those in a bubble who somehow missed it, he wrote that because of election irregularities in 2020, “all rules, regulations and articles, even those found in the Constitution” should be set aside and he should be installed as president.

That’s a hard no.  The opening of my oath of enlistment was “I, Brian Flynn, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”.  Trump is looking very much like a domestic enemy right now.

Some want to try to make the case why we should set aside parts of the Constitution? 
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 05, 2022, 06:26:38 AM
So, nobody wants to talk about Trump’s faux pax on Truth Social? 

For those in a bubble who somehow missed it, he wrote that because of election irregularities in 2020, “all rules, regulations and articles, even those found in the Constitution” should be set aside and he should be installed as president.

That’s a hard no.  The opening of my oath of enlistment was “I, Brian Flynn, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”.  Trump is looking very much like a domestic enemy right now.

Some want to try to make the case why we should set aside parts of the Constitution?

I won't be defending President Trump's statements.  We have a process for changing the US Constitution.  If someone doesn't like it, than try to get it changed.

I will point out the hypocrisy of those frothing over President Trump's statement while ignoring all the attacks on the US Constitution that have been attempted (some successfully) by a plethora of democrats.

Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Rush on December 05, 2022, 06:27:06 AM
NO HE DID NOT!!!

Go read what he actually said. He meant that the FRAUD was negating the Constitution.  He could have worded it more clearly but it’s obvious what he meant.  It is being deliberately misconstrued to hurt him politically.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: nddons on December 05, 2022, 06:30:26 AM
We’re you expecting sycophantic defenses of Trump by posting this claim?  You came to the wrong place for that.

Since very few people are even on Truth Social, please provide a link.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Number7 on December 05, 2022, 06:45:47 AM
Faux moderates are always putting words in the mouth of PRESIDENT Trump and pretending to be outraged.

flynn is just running to character on this one.

In other words, he's full of shit, as usual.

He's no different on this LIE than mikey when he claimed Donald Trump told people to go drink bleach.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: bflynn on December 05, 2022, 07:06:58 AM
I will point out the hypocrisy of those frothing over President Trump's statement while ignoring all the attacks on the US Constitution that have been attempted (some successfully) by a plethora of democrats.

Just to clarify, you are not including me in that group?  I cannot conceive of a time I ever supported setting aside a single word of the Constitution.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 05, 2022, 07:07:41 AM
Can someone post his Truth here so everyone can read it.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 05, 2022, 07:10:04 AM
I wonder how bflynn feels about the findings of Elon Musk with regard to Twitter censoring and blocking at the behest of the DNC and Biden campaign?  How about the recent emails showing Katie Hobbs requesting posts be taken down from Twitter?  What would you call such things?
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: bflynn on December 05, 2022, 07:12:39 AM
NO HE DID NOT!!!

Go read what he actually said. He meant that the FRAUD was negating the Constitution.  He could have worded it more clearly but it’s obvious what he meant.  It is being deliberately misconstrued to hurt him politically.

No. He said there was fraud and that allows us to set aside parts of the Constitution.  Here’s the screenshot. Parse the English.




Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: bflynn on December 05, 2022, 07:21:13 AM
I wonder how bflynn feels about the findings of Elon Musk with regard to Twitter censoring and blocking at the behest of the DNC and Biden campaign?  How about the recent emails showing Katie Hobbs requesting posts be taken down from Twitter?  What would you call such things?

You don’t have to wonder. It was wrong and those in the govt who pushed for it should be prosecuted for it. There are laws against abuse of power and using your govt authority for personal or political gain.

Slightly worried for Elon that Dems are going to come at him for Twitter’s complicity in all this.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Username on December 05, 2022, 07:34:00 AM
No. He said there was fraud and that allows us to set aside parts of the Constitution.  Here’s the screenshot. Parse the English.
He could have said it a lot better.  The Constitution does not say anything about what to do if there is massive fraud in an election.  It only says how an election is to be carried out.  If it is shown that the election itself was unconstitutional then the rules in the Constitution regarding that election are void.  He did not say throw out the Constitution.  No matter how many times people are outraged by what they think he said.

Like court and a mistrial, we can declare a "mis-election" and a do-over.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Anthony on December 05, 2022, 07:39:40 AM
He could have said it a lot better.  The Constitution does not say anything about what to do if there is massive fraud in an election.  It only says how an election is to be carried out.  If it is shown that the election itself was unconstitutional then the rules in the Constitution regarding that election are void.  He did not say throw out the Constitution.  No matter how many times people are outraged by what they think he said.

Like court and a mistrial, we can declare a "mis-election" and a do-over.

Exactly.  You and Rush nailed it.  The Left and their Media are purposely misleading people. Outrage on this but no outrage for unconstitutional gun control laws, health insurance, government over reach and abuse on every level etc.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Number7 on December 05, 2022, 07:39:56 AM
He could have said it a lot better.  The Constitution does not say anything about what to do if there is massive fraud in an election.  It only says how an election is to be carried out.  If it is shown that the election itself was unconstitutional then the rules in the Constitution regarding that election are void.  He did not say throw out the Constitution.  No matter how many times people are outraged by what they think he said.

Like court and a mistrial, we can declare a "mis-election" and a do-over.

That's what liberals and faux moderates do.

They make up shit to suit their narrative and repeat it pretending it's true.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Rush on December 05, 2022, 07:43:30 AM
No. He said there was fraud and that allows us to set aside parts of the Constitution.  Here’s the screenshot. Parse the English.

Wrong!  He said “Massive fraud of this type allows….etc.”   You parse English.  Subject, verb, object.  It is the fraud (subject) allowing (verb) the Constitution to be violated (object clause, paraphrasing, passively acted upon).

Otherwise he would have said, “The fraud allows us “to violate”,” where “us” is the subject of an objective clause and the verb becomes an infinitive where we are committing an action.  That’s not what he said.  He said the fraud was breaking the rules and even violating the Constitution.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Rush on December 05, 2022, 07:47:53 AM
He could have said it a lot better.  The Constitution does not say anything about what to do if there is massive fraud in an election.  It only says how an election is to be carried out.  If it is shown that the election itself was unconstitutional then the rules in the Constitution regarding that election are void.  He did not say throw out the Constitution.  No matter how many times people are outraged by what they think he said.

Like court and a mistrial, we can declare a "mis-election" and a do-over.

Correct!  The previous statement about re-doing the election in no way violates the Constitution.  That sentence is being wrongly applied to the following sentence where he clearly states it is the fraud that violates the rules and Constitution.

He really should have rewritten and edited that better.  Keep in mind that his mouth (or typing) often speaks before his brain thinks things through, and he is often hyperbolic.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 05, 2022, 08:10:28 AM
You don’t have to wonder. It was wrong and those in the govt who pushed for it should be prosecuted for it. There are laws against abuse of power and using your govt authority for personal or political gain.

Slightly worried for Elon that Dems are going to come at him for Twitter’s complicity in all this.
Thank you for answering, what do you think the chances are of anyone paying any consequences except for Musk?
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 05, 2022, 11:06:19 AM
Today.

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Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Anthony on December 05, 2022, 11:50:46 AM
Today.

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Go Don!!!
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Number7 on December 05, 2022, 12:01:00 PM
The fake moderates pretending not to be liberal cheerleaders ignore the truth in favor of the lies they embrace.

It happens all the time.

It just happens that flynn got caught.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: bflynn on December 05, 2022, 12:29:54 PM
Exactly.  You and Rush nailed it.  The Left and their Media are purposely misleading people. Outrage on this but no outrage for unconstitutional gun control laws, health insurance, government over reach and abuse on every level etc.

Who is listening to the Leftist Media?  I'm reading his post, which says that someone, presumably The People or their representatives, are allowed to terminate sections of the Constitution, because the fraud puts all that aside. 

Tell me how I'm misreading it.  It does not say that Fraud means the rules need to to change, it's not a call to action.  It's a call to cancel.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: bflynn on December 05, 2022, 12:31:06 PM
Thank you for answering, what do you think the chances are of anyone paying any consequences except for Musk?

Very low.  The bar for govt workers is incredibly low.  If you breathe and show up it's nearly impossible to lose your job.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: bflynn on December 05, 2022, 12:33:27 PM
Today.

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Correct, they are.  And they're wrong too.  What Trump said is that the massive fraud allows for termination of parts of the Constitution.

It should terrify everyone that he said that.  If we can terminate parts of the Constitution to make up for a fraudulent election, then why not any part of the Constitution?  Not a rhetorical question
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 05, 2022, 12:47:39 PM
The wrong that must be righted is that the Constitution already has been overthrown. Not that he wants to overthrow it.

As well, all this attention on his supposed awful suggestion is bringing out the usual suspects clutching their pearls in horror at the thought of touching the sacred Constitution while mere months ago they were questioning the same Constitution and wanting to do away with it.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: bflynn on December 05, 2022, 12:58:07 PM
It just happens that flynn got caught.

caught at...???  Correctly parsing English sentences?  Reading for context?  Supporting the Constitution?  Not supporting a right wing former president who suggests terminating parts of the Constitution?
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: bflynn on December 05, 2022, 01:00:11 PM
The wrong that must be righted is that the Constitution already has been overthrown. Not that he wants to overthrow it.

As well, all this attention on his supposed awful suggestion is bringing out the usual suspects clutching their pearls in horror at the thought of touching the sacred Constitution while mere months ago they were questioning the same Constitution and wanting to do away with it.

Might be, but whatbout-isms aren't useful. 

You think I'm clutching my pearls in horror at the thought of touching the sacred Constitution?  I don't own any pearls and you wouldn't find me wearing them if I did, but I'm otherwise good with that.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Rush on December 05, 2022, 01:00:39 PM
I give up.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 05, 2022, 01:04:01 PM
Might be, but whatbout-isms aren't useful. 

You think I'm clutching my pearls in horror at the thought of touching the sacred Constitution?  I don't own any pearls and you wouldn't find me wearing them if I did, but I'm otherwise good with that.

No, no, I’m referring to pundits, celebs, swamp creatures and Democrats, but I repeat myself.

Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Number7 on December 05, 2022, 01:26:27 PM
No, no, I’m referring to pundits, celebs, swamp creatures and Democrats,


and phony moderates desperate to pretend their fantasies are true.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Anthony on December 06, 2022, 04:04:30 AM
caught at...???  Correctly parsing English sentences?  Reading for context?  Supporting the Constitution?  Not supporting a right wing former president who suggests terminating parts of the Constitution?

You're just wrong about what Trump said, that's all. No drama just fact.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 06, 2022, 04:09:33 AM
Perhaps if he had just stayed off the keyboard.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 06, 2022, 04:15:57 AM
Perhaps if he had just stayed off the keyboard.

Then someone would complain that he didn't disavow something or other.

Or someone would make up something, claiming he said whatever.  Nah, that never happens...

Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: bflynn on December 06, 2022, 05:54:35 AM
You're just wrong about what Trump said, that's all. No drama just fact.

How am I wrong?  He wrote “allows for termination of…”.  Even if you soften it to say “well, he wasn’t suggesting doing it”, he identified termination of parts of the Constitution as a remedy. How the hell can any of you be ok with that?  Is your love for the man greater than your love for the Republic?   
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Number7 on December 06, 2022, 06:04:09 AM
At some point Flynn will run out of ways to try and convince people he isn’t full of shit, intentionally.

Or maybe not.

It is soooo convenient that he came up with this bullshit just after the facts proving the election was stolen came to light.

Hmmmm…

But liars HAVE to lie.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 06, 2022, 06:33:30 AM
Let’s imagine a completely hypothetical scenario, a national election had certified results but later we discover proof of fraud.  Sure, some will probably never believe fraud even in the face of incontrovertible proof. But, in this hypothetical, imagine pretty much everyone agrees the certified results were wrong. 

What do we do?  Ignore the fraud and just accept the fraud who was sworn in?

Have the fraud resign and have the third in line become President?

Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Number7 on December 06, 2022, 06:52:01 AM
Let’s imagine a completely hypothetical scenario, a national election had certified results but later we discover proof of fraud.  Sure, some will probably never believe fraud even in the face of incontrovertible proof. But, in this hypothetical, imagine pretty much everyone agrees the certified results were wrong. 

What do we do?  Ignore the fraud and just accept the fraud who was sworn in?

Have the fraud resign and have the third in line become President?

That certainly describes the position of communists,  progressives, liberal, democrats and other forms of low life.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Rush on December 06, 2022, 07:00:15 AM
Let’s imagine a completely hypothetical scenario, a national election had certified results but later we discover proof of fraud.  Sure, some will probably never believe fraud even in the face of incontrovertible proof. But, in this hypothetical, imagine pretty much everyone agrees the certified results were wrong. 

What do we do?  Ignore the fraud and just accept the fraud who was sworn in?

Have the fraud resign and have the third in line become President?

Even if you are convinced there was no vote count shenanigans, the Hunter Biden laptop coverup by the DNC, FBI and media is blatant election interference as well as a violation of the First Amendment.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 06, 2022, 07:41:24 AM
Hey. I got it

you wait until near the end of the fraud’s term, then declare that the other guy actually won. But now that other is no longer eligible to run for President.  and since the fraud wasn’t actually President, the term doesn’t count.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Rush on December 06, 2022, 07:52:36 AM
Without secure elections - AND THEY ARE NOT! - not in the cheating mail in Dem districts - the government is ILLEGITIMATE.  The election certification is illegitimate.  We in essence don’t have a country.  Nevermind what Trump said about the Constitution.  The Constitution was totally trashed by the Dems FIRST.  Now the Dems make a big deal about a Trump social media post about the Constitution.  Fuck you, Dems, you are the ones who trashed it, not Trump. Go to hell.

Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: bflynn on December 06, 2022, 07:53:37 AM
Let’s imagine a completely hypothetical scenario, a national election had certified results but later we discover proof of fraud.  Sure, some will probably never believe fraud even in the face of incontrovertible proof. But, in this hypothetical, imagine pretty much everyone agrees the certified results were wrong. 

What do we do?  Ignore the fraud and just accept the fraud who was sworn in?

Have the fraud resign and have the third in line become President?

You prove the fraud and prosecute the people involved.

But there is no Constitutional path for replacing the president. Any attempt will create a constitutional crisis and run you into a wall.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Number7 on December 06, 2022, 08:17:15 AM
The legal standard in any action begins with, 'Who is harmed?'

If no one is harmed, then the petitioner fails to have standing.

As much as communist democrats wish to deny it, and multiple courts have lied about it,
EVERY citizen was harmed by the communist party (democrats) stealing thh last to elections,
and probably several more if one started to seriously investigate.

Citizens have a right to free and fair elections. Once the communist democrats started stealing elections,
EVERY citizen has standing, something the corrupt courts have ignored.

The senile imposter would never have been sworn in had fuckwad john roberts not been the worst kind
of coward and pleaded with the other judges to let former vp fucking criminal get a pass. In that case none
of this would be relevant and the coup would have been avoided.

However fuckwad and coward got their way.

To correct it would be a massive task, but not illegal. Just hard and would have put a lot of people at huge
legal risk, which is why it never happened.

Just like epstein and giselle were convicted of trafficking children, but no one was apparently recipient of the trafficking
because doing so would expose numerous rich and famous to the light of justice, nothing happened.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: nddons on December 06, 2022, 09:06:04 AM
So I’ve read the statement and the follow up response by Trump. No, he was not advocating overthrowing the Constitution. Also, the Constitution has no remedy for fraud, and it only dictates how elections happen in broad terms.

Article II, Section 1, as modified by the 12th and 20th Amendments dictate how presidents are elected.

Article II, Section 4 states that the only remedy to remove a president or VP is via impeachment. The 25th Amendment provides another way to remove a president.

But that’s it. There are no other remedies. Any “Do-overs”, regardless of whether fraud was present or not, is unconstitutional and should be treated as an imposition of tyranny.

That is not what Trump was saying, particularly after his follow up message.

That being said, this is yet another example that electing Trump as the GOP nominee will mean that we are looking back 4 years instead of forward 4 years. I need to know what a GOP nominee will be doing about Ukraine, China, Russia, the border invasion, the economy, inflation, runaway spending, and corruption at the highest levels of government.

Relitigating 2020 is a recipe for electoral disaster. And I refuse to allow that to happen.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: bflynn on December 06, 2022, 09:44:32 AM
So I’ve read the statement and the follow up response by Trump. No, he was not advocating overthrowing the Constitution.

Not the whole thing, just some parts of it. Whew, that’s a relief.  ::)
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Rush on December 06, 2022, 09:53:47 AM
You prove the fraud and prosecute the people involved.

But there is no Constitutional path for replacing the president. Any attempt will create a constitutional crisis and run you into a wall.

Yes there is. Impeachment and removal from office.

If collusion with the FBI and journalists to swing an election isn’t high crimes and misdemeanors I don’t know what is.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 06, 2022, 09:58:09 AM
Yes there is. Impeachment and removal from office.

If collusion with the FBI and journalists to swing an election isn’t high crimes and misdemeanors I don’t know what is.

what if the clown had no knowledge of or hand in the collusion and election fraud?

Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 06, 2022, 10:08:47 AM
Yes there is. Impeachment and removal from office.

If collusion with the FBI and journalists to swing an election isn’t high crimes and misdemeanors I don’t know what is.
In today's world it might as well not exist.  Do you think you could get a conviction and removal in the Senate?
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Rush on December 06, 2022, 10:17:36 AM
what if the clown had no knowledge of or hand in the collusion and election fraud?

He needs to be 25th… ed.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Rush on December 06, 2022, 10:18:33 AM
In today's world it might as well not exist.  Do you think you could get a conviction and removal in the Senate?

Not now.  Since the GOP threw the midterms. 
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2022, 10:43:25 AM
We are in a constitutional crisis, and have been since Nov 2022.

The permanent political class along with the fourth branch of government, the intel community, have subverted the constitution to overthrow a presidency and ignore the will of the people.   We are no longer a “government of the people and for the people”.    We now live under an authoritarian regime of fascist.

The mountains of evidence are all there.  But the regimes use of activist judges and legal jujitsu have prevented the American people from seeking justice.  We just witnessed a corrupt Arizona Sec of State manipulate an election, threaten people with felonies if they tried not to certify her governor election, and now has installed herself as governor.   She colluded with big tech to take away people’s first amendment rights. 

 And tonight, we’ll see more election shenanigans as the DNC (Democrat National Communist) do everything to insure their fellow communist gets a crucial senate seat.

 2024?   Can’t wait to see which dem looney tune runs, because whoever it is will win regardless of the actual vote.  This is why Gavin Newsome is working behind the scenes for the nomination.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Anthony on December 06, 2022, 11:11:40 AM
We are in a constitutional crisis, and have been since Nov 2022.

The permanent political class along with the fourth branch of government, the intel community, have subverted the constitution to overthrow a presidency and ignore the will of the people.   We are no longer a “government of the people and for the people”.    We now live under an authoritarian regime of fascist.

The mountains of evidence are all there.  But the regimes use of activist judges and legal jujitsu have prevented the American people from seeking justice.  We just witnessed a corrupt Arizona Sec of State manipulate an election, threaten people with felonies if they tried not to certify her governor election, and now has installed herself as governor.   She colluded with big tech to take away people’s first amendment rights. 

 And tonight, we’ll see more election shenanigans as the DNC (Democrat National Communist) do everything to insure their fellow communist gets a crucial senate seat.

 2024?   Can’t wait to see which dem looney tune runs, because whoever it is will win regardless of the actual vote.  This is why Gavin Newsome is working behind the scenes for the nomination.

We've past the tipping point we are now in territory only seen here in the 1770s.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on December 06, 2022, 11:23:51 AM
what about the 1860's?

Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 06, 2022, 12:24:32 PM
Consent of the goverend.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: nddons on December 06, 2022, 01:26:55 PM
In today's world it might as well not exist.  Do you think you could get a conviction and removal in the Senate?
That’s just the way it is. They only reason Trump
Was not removed was the number of Republicans in the senate. It needs to be a high bar, but that doesn’t mean you don’t pursue it.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 06, 2022, 04:16:28 PM
Looks like BiteMe can do whatever he wants with the Constitution if it involves controlling elections.

https://drrichswier.com/2022/11/11/it-begins-biden-says-hell-use-constitution-to-make-sure-trump-will-never-be-president-again/

Biden: "We have to demonstrate that [Trump] will not take power if he does run. Making sure he under the legitimate efforts of the Constitution, does not become the next president again."

Video quote.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Lucifer on December 06, 2022, 04:36:42 PM
Looks like BiteMe can do whatever he wants with the Constitution if it involves controlling elections.

https://drrichswier.com/2022/11/11/it-begins-biden-says-hell-use-constitution-to-make-sure-trump-will-never-be-president-again/

Biden: "We have to demonstrate that [Trump] will not take power if he does run. Making sure he under the legitimate efforts of the Constitution, does not become the next president again."

Video quote.

  Gee...........No one seems upset over that........
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Number7 on December 06, 2022, 08:43:43 PM
 Gee...........No one seems upset over that........

Flynn only cares when he can cheery pick things to make up shit about Donald a trump because he hates him and thinks lying about him is a good strategy.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Rush on December 07, 2022, 02:54:21 AM
Looks like BiteMe can do whatever he wants with the Constitution if it involves controlling elections.

https://drrichswier.com/2022/11/11/it-begins-biden-says-hell-use-constitution-to-make-sure-trump-will-never-be-president-again/

Biden: "We have to demonstrate that [Trump] will not take power if he does run. Making sure he under the legitimate efforts of the Constitution, does not become the next president again."

Video quote.

In other words go against the will of the people.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Anthony on December 07, 2022, 03:57:38 AM
what about the 1860's?

Possibly, but I think there is more correlation between British tyranny and the current American Royal tyranny we see now. Actually, it's more like Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union without the cattle cars, death camps and Gulags, yet.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2022, 05:22:57 AM
In other words go against the will of the people.

  But they are saving "our democracy".

  Oh, never mind that the word democracy doesn't appear in the constitution............and never mind that was by design....

  But when the battle cry is "our democracy" we should just resign and give them their way..........even if they have to lie and cheat to obtain their goals.

  In 2020 we were told "we have to move on and stop litigating the 2020 election".......even when we have the receipts that prove it was fraudulent.    In 2022 we have been told "we have to move on and stop election denying" even as we watched corrupt third world banana republic tactics be used to alter elections.

 The left even has started shaming people by screaming "election denier"  just as they do their favorite word "racist!" 

  We are being conditioned to accept election fraud as a norm. 
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Rush on December 07, 2022, 05:27:14 AM
  But they are saving "our democracy".

  Oh, never mind that the word democracy doesn't appear in the constitution............and never mind that was by design....

  But when the battle cry is "our democracy" we should just resign and give them their way..........even if they have to lie and cheat to obtain their goals.

  In 2020 we were told "we have to move on and stop litigating the 2020 election".......even when we have the receipts that prove it was fraudulent.    In 2022 we have been told "we have to move on and stop election denying" even as we watched corrupt third world banana republic tactics be used to alter elections.

 The left even has started shaming people by screaming "election denier"  just as they do their favorite word "racist!" 

  We are being conditioned to accept election fraud as a norm.

Yep, and Wornack just “won” in GA giving the Dems a 51 seat majority in the Senate.  Apparently about 9 hours ago Walker was ahead, but I have been unable to confirm that with numbers.  I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s true, sometime in the middle of the night they “found” a bunch of mail in ballots.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2022, 05:57:55 AM
Yep, and Wornack just “won” in GA giving the Dems a 51 seat majority in the Senate.  Apparently about 9 hours ago Walker was ahead, but I have been unable to confirm that with numbers.  I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s true, sometime in the middle of the night they “found” a bunch of mail in ballots.

  There was never any doubt Warnock would win.  Too much was at stake for the dims.

  South Michigan (Former Georgia) had massive problems in voting during 2020.  We actually have video tape of the under table ballot suitcases being pulled out and run through the tabulators over and over, among other atrocities. The "republicans" in the former Georgia are weak RINO's at best.

  Republicans still focus on consultants and voting, while the dims focus on ballots.   Guess who wins?
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Number7 on December 07, 2022, 06:08:32 AM
The rino kemp fought against election security for the last two years and for his fealty, was allowed to be re-elected last month.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: nddons on December 07, 2022, 06:32:27 AM
The rino kemp fought against election security for the last two years and for his fealty, was allowed to be re-elected last month.
And guess who’s being floated as a gop challenger to Trump for 2024?
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: nddons on December 07, 2022, 06:32:36 AM
The rino kemp fought against election security for the last two years and for his fealty, was allowed to be re-elected last month.
And guess who’s being floated as a gop challenger to Trump for 2024?
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Anthony on December 07, 2022, 06:37:46 AM
  But they are saving "our democracy".

  Oh, never mind that the word democracy doesn't appear in the constitution............and never mind that was by design....

  But when the battle cry is "our democracy" we should just resign and give them their way..........even if they have to lie and cheat to obtain their goals.

  In 2020 we were told "we have to move on and stop litigating the 2020 election".......even when we have the receipts that prove it was fraudulent.    In 2022 we have been told "we have to move on and stop election denying" even as we watched corrupt third world banana republic tactics be used to alter elections.

 The left even has started shaming people by screaming "election denier"  just as they do their favorite word "racist!" 

  We are being conditioned to accept election fraud as a norm.

Your last sentence is the scariest, but is absolutely true. The Left has successfully conditioned half the population that fraud is the norm as their idealistic goals are the ends that justify the means. 

They've done this through takeover of every institution and using relentless Propaganda and outright LIES and Disinformation.  It's criminal.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2022, 06:58:33 AM
Your last sentence is the scariest, but is absolutely true. The Left has successfully conditioned half the population that fraud is the norm as their idealistic goals are the ends that justify the means. 

They've done this through takeover of every institution and using relentless Propaganda and outright LIES and Disinformation.  It's criminal.

  How many times have we heard "it's time to move on" and "we need to stop litigating what happened in 2020"?

  Hell no!  Through fraud and corruption, and outright subverting the constitution we have an illegitimate government making nonsense laws, spending our money on themselves, and using countless money laundering schemes to enrichen themselves and their families while degrading our lives.

  The ones pointing this out are being silenced and smeared.  Where does it stop?  Or as stated earlier, they want this normalized and everyone to accept it, which quite frankly, is happening.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Rush on December 07, 2022, 07:06:18 AM
The minute Elon Musk threw light on the depth of the corruption, they start an "investigation" of him.  The tentacles are into everything. 
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on December 07, 2022, 07:57:23 AM
Apparently fraud is a bipartisan concern.

https://twitter.com/behizytweets/status/1600337029359104000
Title: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: nddons on December 07, 2022, 08:21:53 AM
  How many times have we heard "it's time to move on" and "we need to stop litigating what happened in 2020"?

  Hell no!  Through fraud and corruption, and outright subverting the constitution we have an illegitimate government making nonsense laws, spending our money on themselves, and using countless money laundering schemes to enrichen themselves and their families while degrading our lives.

  The ones pointing this out are being silenced and smeared.  Where does it stop?  Or as stated earlier, they want this normalized and everyone to accept it, which quite frankly, is happening.
There’s a huge difference between investigating the fraud that occurred in the 2020 election and overturning the 2020 election.

The left equate the two, purposefully, in order to mock reasonable inquiries into criminal activity.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2022, 09:16:19 AM
There’s a huge difference between investigating the fraud that occurred in the 2020 election and overturning the 2020 election.

The left equate the two, purposefully, in order to mock reasonable inquiries into criminal activity.

 And the republicans being led by the GOP trio McLosers are making zero effort to correct any of this.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: nddons on December 07, 2022, 09:21:52 AM
And the republicans being led by the GOP trio McLosers are making zero effort to correct any of this.
I 100% agree. McConnell cannot handle being majority leader. He’s only comfortable being an ankle-biting back-bench minority leader. We’ve seen this for a few decades.

And McCarthy is a snake.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 07, 2022, 09:37:07 AM
Look at what was happening at Twitter. Jame Baker was employed there as a lawyer and they found out he was going through the Twitter files and cleansing them. Elon walked him ut yesterday.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Username on December 07, 2022, 09:50:19 AM
Look at what was happening at Twitter. Jame Baker was employed there as a lawyer and they found out he was going through the Twitter files and cleansing them. Elon walked him ut yesterday.
And Fauci's daughter worked at Twitter during the pandemic.  Imagine that.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 07, 2022, 09:52:22 AM
I'd bet all of these organizations now have political embeds in them to help steer the propaganda.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Username on December 07, 2022, 10:02:23 AM
I'd bet all of these organizations now have political embeds in them to help steer the propaganda.
I remember all the "But it's a private company and it can do whatever it wants!" screaming from the left when Twitter and Facebook and others deleted and censored any comments from the right.  It's clearly unconstitutional for the government to censor free speech, but apparently it's OK (if you're a democrat) for the government to tell a private company to do just that.  A third party totally complicit in unconstitutional activities.  And not a word from the MSM about it. 
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: nddons on December 07, 2022, 10:22:58 AM
I remember all the "But it's a private company and it can do whatever it wants!" screaming from the left when Twitter and Facebook and others deleted and censored any comments from the right.  It's clearly unconstitutional for the government to censor free speech, but apparently it's OK (if you're a democrat) for the government to tell a private company to do just that.  A third party totally complicit in unconstitutional activities.  And not a word from the MSM about it.
Yea, wasn’t that cute?  All the Dems concerned about the private business owners. It was quite touching.

Just like the dry cleaners and bars and other cash businesses who were being “protected” by La Cosa Nostra. 
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Anthony on December 07, 2022, 10:28:25 AM
There’s a huge difference between investigating the fraud that occurred in the 2020 election and overturning the 2020 election.

The left equate the two, purposefully, in order to mock reasonable inquiries into criminal activity.

They do that with everything to end any discussion.  If you bring up ridiculous environmental policy they say all Republicans want dirty air and dirty water. They need to be punished.
 
 
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Lucifer on December 07, 2022, 10:38:49 AM
I'd bet all of these organizations now have political embeds in them to help steer the propaganda.

No doubt.   The rubicon has been crossed.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: nddons on December 07, 2022, 10:39:35 AM
They do that with everything to end any discussion.  If you bring up ridiculous environmental policy they say all Republicans want dirty air and dirty water. They need to be punished.
 
With no quarter given. 
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: Username on December 07, 2022, 10:42:43 AM
With no quarter given.
Shoot. I'd give a full tree-fiddy to see them punished.
Title: Re: “Including the Constitution”
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on December 07, 2022, 11:05:42 AM
This showed up on Twitter today. Two ways to look at this, you can believe @jack thinks Elon is tilting the narrative by what he is releasing or @jack knows there is more to the story, stuff that might out the Government.

[conspiracytheory]
What if the FBI visits you and tells you they would love if you hire a couple of people they think would be good for you to have on board. BTW if you don't, no telling what you might be charged with. Meanwhile you can still sit in your office and pretend to run things.
[/conspiracytheory]