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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Username on February 07, 2023, 08:36:37 AM
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And yet it's very hard to find in the MSM.
https://www.newsweek.com/transgender-rights-protesters-occupy-oklahoma-capitol-debate-january-6-1779461
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And yet it's very hard to find in the MSM.
https://www.newsweek.com/transgender-rights-protesters-occupy-oklahoma-capitol-debate-january-6-1779461
Where are the screams of domestic terrorism! Insurrection!
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did the cops shoot any unarmed women... or... whatever?
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"Senate Bill 129—which would ban gender reassignment surgery for those under 26 years of age"
I can't trust the news to describe these bills, so I located the actual text:
http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2023-24%20INT/SB/SB129%20INT.PDF (http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2023-24%20INT/SB/SB129%20INT.PDF)
The description of the bill is accurate. It is unequivocally an authoritarian dictate by the state over an adult's body. Another reason why libertarianism ideology is the last remaining bulwark against authoritarianism -- conservatism is merely authoritarianism lite.
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"Senate Bill 129—which would ban gender reassignment surgery for those under 26 years of age"
I can't trust the news to describe these bills, so I located the actual text:
http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2023-24%20INT/SB/SB129%20INT.PDF (http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2023-24%20INT/SB/SB129%20INT.PDF)
The description of the bill is accurate. It is unequivocally an authoritarian dictate by the state over an adult's body. Another reason why libertarianism ideology is the last remaining bulwark against authoritarianism -- conservatism is merely authoritarianism lite.
I don’t think you are quite correct. I think the bill prevents public funding for such procedures
But maybe I’m misreading it
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I don’t think you are quite correct. I think the bill prevents public funding for such procedures
But maybe I’m misreading it
We need a lawyer to clarify but I think it says you can’t refer someone under 26 for gender transition therapy or provide it, period. It’s a felony. The funding section says they won’t fund ANYTHING a practice does if the practice provides transitioning.
But I could be misreading it too.
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I love how it’s called the Millstone Act, referring to Luke 17:2.
https://biblehub.com/luke/17-2.htm
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I don’t think you are quite correct. I think the bill prevents public funding for such procedures
But maybe I’m misreading it
They split it into several sections and you may have read from section 4 onward:
SECTION 3. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified
in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 2607.3 of Title 63, unless there
is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
A. A physician or other healthcare professional shall not
provide gender transition procedures to any individual under twenty-
six (26) years of age.
B. A physician or other healthcare professional shall not refer
any individual under twenty-six (26) years of age to any healthcare
professional for gender transition procedures.
C. A physician or other healthcare professional is not
prohibited from providing any of the following procedures which are
not gender transition procedures to an individual under twenty-six
(26) years of age: [...]
SECTION 4. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified
in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 2607.4 of Title 63, unless there
is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
A. Public funds shall not be directly or indirectly used,
granted, paid, or distributed to any entity, organization, or
individual that provides gender transition procedures to an
individual under twenty-six (26) years of age.
B. Healthcare services furnished in the following situations
shall not include gender transition procedures to an individual
under twenty-six (26) years of age:
1. By or in a healthcare facility owned by the state or a
county or local government; or
2. By a physician or other healthcare professional employed by
the state or a county or local government.
C. The state Medicaid program shall not reimburse or provide
coverage for gender transition procedures to an individual under
twenty-six (26) years of age.
Section 5 says "A physician or other healthcare professional found to
have knowingly referred for or provided gender transition procedures
to an individual under twenty-six (26) years of age shall, upon
conviction, be guilty of a felony."
And gives a statute of limitation of 40 years. (By comparison, the statute of limitations for medical malpractice or wrongful death is 2 years. https://www.statutes-of-limitations.com/state/oklahoma/ (https://www.statutes-of-limitations.com/state/oklahoma/))
Somebody has lost their marbles and legislates by emotional feelz - same way socialists think.
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They split it into several sections and you may have read from section 4 onward:
SECTION 3. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified
in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 2607.3 of Title 63, unless there
is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
A. A physician or other healthcare professional shall not
provide gender transition procedures to any individual under twenty-
six (26) years of age.
B. A physician or other healthcare professional shall not refer
any individual under twenty-six (26) years of age to any healthcare
professional for gender transition procedures.
C. A physician or other healthcare professional is not
prohibited from providing any of the following procedures which are
not gender transition procedures to an individual under twenty-six
(26) years of age: [...]
SECTION 4. NEW LAW A new section of law to be codified
in the Oklahoma Statutes as Section 2607.4 of Title 63, unless there
is created a duplication in numbering, reads as follows:
A. Public funds shall not be directly or indirectly used,
granted, paid, or distributed to any entity, organization, or
individual that provides gender transition procedures to an
individual under twenty-six (26) years of age.
B. Healthcare services furnished in the following situations
shall not include gender transition procedures to an individual
under twenty-six (26) years of age:
1. By or in a healthcare facility owned by the state or a
county or local government; or
2. By a physician or other healthcare professional employed by
the state or a county or local government.
C. The state Medicaid program shall not reimburse or provide
coverage for gender transition procedures to an individual under
twenty-six (26) years of age.
Section 5 says "A physician or other healthcare professional found to
have knowingly referred for or provided gender transition procedures
to an individual under twenty-six (26) years of age shall, upon
conviction, be guilty of a felony."
And gives a statute of limitation of 40 years. (By comparison, the statute of limitations for medical malpractice or wrongful death is 2 years. https://www.statutes-of-limitations.com/state/oklahoma/ (https://www.statutes-of-limitations.com/state/oklahoma/))
Somebody has lost their marbles and legislates by emotional feelz - same way socialists think.
The fact that this discussion and this law even exist in the first place is a profound denouncement of libertarianism. Everyone can’t be their own little god and expect society to flourish.
You want to talk about feelz? Mutilating healthy bodies on demand SHOULD be solidly enshrined against in medical ethics. I thought it was. But no. The idea that you can solve your personal issues and desire for attention and pipe dreams of “happiness at last” by hiring a “doctor” to chop off your genitalia and cobble together fake genitalia AND EXPECT OTHERS TO PAY FOR IT grotesquely contorts any possible positive interpretation of individual “freedom.”
There are actually laws in some states requiring such mutilation (“gender affirming care) to be performed when requested! No freedom for a doctor to refuse!
What a waste this whole issue is. Get busy on issues that promote human flourishing. Turn back to God. Protect the children.
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The skin on the arm is taken to make a fake penis. Removal of healthy breasts is a savagely cruel thing to do to a woman.
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The problem with liberalism is exacerbated by libertarianism.
The concept of “do your own thin,” instantly morphs into, “you WILL respect any stupid thing we claim to believe, or be forever labeled and shunned.” Liberalism uses these idiotic demands to push communism further down the road, and libertarianism has become a crutch used to run cover for mentally disturbed people who think mutilation of themselves AND THEIR minor children should be a private matter but public ally funded.
The entire charade is just another in a long of idiocy protected by communist democrats seeking to destroy the country out of jealousy and misplaced rage that some people succeed and others fail.
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I’m with Jim when it comes to adults. Minor children? Different subject entirely. Government has no business outlawing something you (an adult) want to do with your own body. Want to cut off your dick? Knock yourself out. As long as taxpayers’ money doesn’t pay for it. So no transitioning while in the military or with VA benefits.
If government is going to be socialized then it shouldn’t use that to put people out of business. So I have a problem withholding Medicaid for all purposes from a practice that does transitioning, you just can’t use it for transitioning.
Transition surgery is elective. Meaning not medically necessary. ALL elective surgery should not be funded with taxpayer dollars. I could argue even private insurance shouldn’t pay for it. It often doesn’t pay for cosmetic surgery. Certainly no one who qualifies for Medicaid has any business undertaking the grueling, expensive and disabling process of bottom surgery.
The only argument is at what age are you considered adult? The brain isn’t finished maturing until 26 but we vote and serve in the military at 18. Can’t drink until 21. There are no legal areas that I’m aware of where you’re not considered an adult at 21 so I can’t go along with the 26 age in this bill. You’re an adult at 21 and government has no right stopping you from doing incredibly fucked up shit to your own body.
This would not even be an issue if the lunatic LGBT activists had left well enough alone. But they pushed this shit into the spotlight, shoved it down our throats and into our kids schools. They brought this conservative backlash on themselves. I don’t have any sympathy for them.
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The fact that this discussion and this law even exist in the first place is a profound denouncement of libertarianism. Everyone can’t be their own little god and expect society to flourish.
You want to talk about feelz? Mutilating healthy bodies on demand SHOULD be solidly enshrined against in medical ethics. I thought it was. But no. The idea that you can solve your personal issues and desire for attention and pipe dreams of “happiness at last” by hiring a “doctor” to chop off your genitalia and cobble together fake genitalia AND EXPECT OTHERS TO PAY FOR IT grotesquely contorts any possible positive interpretation of individual “freedom.”
There are actually laws in some states requiring such mutilation (“gender affirming care) to be performed when requested! No freedom for a doctor to refuse!
What a waste this whole issue is. Get busy on issues that promote human flourishing. Turn back to God. Protect the children.
(http://)
The skin on the arm is taken to make a fake penis. Removal of healthy breasts is a savagely cruel thing to do to a woman.
^^^^THIS!!!! ALL OF IT!!!
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Hell yeah! When I was 14 I thought my parents knew fuck all. They’re coming for the youth, people. Wake up.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/maryland-considering-bill-would-allow-vaccination-children-without-parents-consent
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Where are the screams of domestic terrorism! Insurrection!
Funny how that works. 95% of the MEDIA needs to be dragged out of their offices and held accountable for LYING.
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I’m with Jim when it comes to adults. Minor children? Different subject entirely. Government has no business outlawing something you (an adult) want to do with your own body. Want to cut off your dick? Knock yourself out. As long as taxpayers’ money doesn’t pay for it. So no transitioning while in the military or with VA benefits.
If government is going to be socialized then it shouldn’t use that to put people out of business. So I have a problem withholding Medicaid for all purposes from a practice that does transitioning, you just can’t use it for transitioning.
Transition surgery is elective. Meaning not medically necessary. ALL elective surgery should not be funded with taxpayer dollars. I could argue even private insurance shouldn’t pay for it. It often doesn’t pay for cosmetic surgery. Certainly no one who qualifies for Medicaid has any business undertaking the grueling, expensive and disabling process of bottom surgery.
The only argument is at what age are you considered adult? The brain isn’t finished maturing until 26 but we vote and serve in the military at 18. Can’t drink until 21. There are no legal areas that I’m aware of where you’re not considered an adult at 21 so I can’t go along with the 26 age in this bill. You’re an adult at 21 and government has no right stopping you from doing incredibly fucked up shit to your own body.
This would not even be an issue if the lunatic LGBT activists had left well enough alone. But they pushed this shit into the spotlight, shoved it down our throats and into our kids schools. They brought this conservative backlash on themselves. I don’t have any sympathy for them.
the government NEVER fails to force taxpayers to pay for all kinds of sick shit that liberals demand.
Thats why I resist every attempt to shove this shit down our throats.
It's like abortion. Once the fucking scumbags obama and pelosi got started, suddenly WE have to pay for fucking whores and their abortions because... just because,.
Keep your legs together or suffer eh consequences, assholes!
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the government NEVER fails to force taxpayers to pay for all kinds of sick shit that liberals demand.
Thats why I resist every attempt to shove this shit down our throats.
It's like abortion. Once the fucking scumbags obama and pelosi got started, suddenly WE have to pay for fucking whores and their abortions because... just because,.
Keep your legs together or suffer eh consequences, assholes!
You are right about that.
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Hell yeah! When I was 14 I thought my parents knew fuck all. They’re coming for the youth, people. Wake up.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/maryland-considering-bill-would-allow-vaccination-children-without-parents-consent
Abortion, vaccination, sex change operations, all this without parental consent is wrong. Parental permission needed til 18, or as long after that as they financially support the kid.
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Looks like an insurrection to me.
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Looks like an insurrection to me.
for values of "insurrection"...
:-/
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Hell yeah! When I was 14 I thought my parents knew fuck all. They’re coming for the youth, people. Wake up.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/maryland-considering-bill-would-allow-vaccination-children-without-parents-consent
My child is 35. I’m beyond this.
But how do you protect the kids when the 40-50- year olds are the people passing these laws, and the 30-40-year old parents are not fighting back to protect their own kids or worse, are enthusiastically going along with it?
Why do 60-year olds like some of us have to be the adult in the room and speak out to protect these kids? Fuck, I’m tired and would like to stop having to adult 24/7 and have a little fun.
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My child is 35. I’m beyond this.
But how do you protect the kids when the 40-50- year olds are the people passing these laws, and the 30-40-year old parents are not fighting back to protect their own kids or worse, are enthusiastically going along with it?
Why do 60-year olds like some of us have to be the adult in the room and speak out to protect these kids? Fuck, I’m tired and would like to stop having to adult 24/7 and have a little fun.
My daughters are in their 30s. My grandchildren are 6 and 3. I don’t even want to ask if the kids are getting jabbed. I’m scared of the answer. If they are, I can’t fight my daughter, she’s a nurse and brainwashed by the medical community I’m sure. Old grandma doesn’t know anything. When I told them I don’t get flu shots, both she and her husband argued adamantly I was wrong, and even made me get one before they’d let me visit their newborn.
When I told them flamingos are pink because they eat shrimp they both laughed at me and told me I was full of shit. Then they googled it and found out grandma was right. Didn’t apologize though.
Whippersnappers.
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Fuck, I’m tired and would like to stop having to adult 24/7 and have a little fun.
When is the last time you've flown?
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When is the last time you've flown?
Early December, sadly. Good observation. It’s been gray for almost 2 straight months, plus I was sick for about a month starting at Christmas. I’m hoping to fly tomorrow.
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Early December, sadly. Good observation. It’s been gray for almost 2 straight months, plus I was sick for about a month starting at Christmas. I’m hoping to fly tomorrow.
You're doing better than I. Haven't flown in 20 months. Having a cup of coffee each morning helps me survive not flying. I've had to go through the pain of creating a local flying club in order to have an airplane of any sort to fly. Hoping to have a Cessna 150 Aerobat in the club sometime next week.
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Early December, sadly. Good observation. It’s been gray for almost 2 straight months, plus I was sick for about a month starting at Christmas. I’m hoping to fly tomorrow.
Good luck!!! My plane went in for its annual in September and needed its 500 hour mag inspection / overhaul. Got it back in December (supply chain issue on some itty bitty part), just in time for two straight moths of cloud, fog, snow, and wind. Went up Thursday... engine monitor showed #2 with very high CHT and EGT. Reduced power and started running rough. EGT on #5 was abnormally low. Returned for the best landing I've ever had. Now waiting for the A&P to get time to look at it. But the engine monitor probably just paid for itself in time saved in searching for faults. No trans activists were seen on the runway (to bring it back to topic :) )
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My daughters are in their 30s. My grandchildren are 6 and 3. I don’t even want to ask if the kids are getting jabbed. I’m scared of the answer. If they are, I can’t fight my daughter, she’s a nurse and brainwashed by the medical community I’m sure. Old grandma doesn’t know anything. When I told them I don’t get flu shots, both she and her husband argued adamantly I was wrong, and even made me get one before they’d let me visit their newborn.
When I told them flamingos are pink because they eat shrimp they both laughed at me and told me I was full of shit. Then they googled it and found out grandma was right. Didn’t apologize though.
Whippersnappers.
Entitled arrogance on their part.
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Good luck!!! My plane went in for its annual in September and needed its 500 hour mag inspection / overhaul. Got it back in December (supply chain issue on some itty bitty part), just in time for two straight moths of cloud, fog, snow, and wind. Went up Thursday... engine monitor showed #2 with very high CHT and EGT. Reduced power and started running rough. EGT on #5 was abnormally low. Returned for the best landing I've ever had. Now waiting for the A&P to get time to look at it. But the engine monitor probably just paid for itself in time saved in searching for faults. No trans activists were seen on the runway (to bring it back to topic :) )
I love owning my own plane, but I worry about the engine too much. Part of me misses flying around at full rental power and tossing the keys back to the girl behind the desk in the FBO.
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I love owning my own plane, but I worry about the engine too much. Part of me misses flying around at full rental power and tossing the keys back to the girl behind the desk in the FBO.
And the free cookies.
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Hahaha!!! From this morning’s Coffee and Covid.
“Biden and DeSantis were responding to a new bill filed in Florida this week by Republican Florida State Senator Blaise Ingoglia, titled “Employer Coverage of Gender Dysphoria Treatment.” Hilariously — BUT JUSTLY — the proposed law would require any employer who pays for employees gender transitions to also pay for their DE-TRANSITIONING surgeries and medical care if they later change their mind.
Hahahaha! It’s brilliant! Here’s the main bit from the proposed law, SB 952:
An employee who received gender dysphoria treatment through coverage provided by an employer is entitled to full coverage by that employer of the total costs associated with treatment that reverses gender dysphoria treatment if the employee later determines that the gender dysphoria treatment was not appropriate for him or her and wants to reverse the treatment, regardless of whether the person is currently employed by that same employer at the time of such determination.
Who can reasonably argue with this? It’s perfectly fair. If it’s critical for employers to support people slipping on the “right” gender, then it’s just as important to thrust them back into the prior gender when they find out their selected surgery didn’t quite resolve their gender dysphoria, but instead delivered a pallet of new, unanticipated problems.
Even though Florida has already discouraged radical gender surgeries, the proposed law would spray herbicide on new laws sprouting up like weeds in psychotic states like California, which incentivize medical tourism for gender-bending treatments. “Woke businesses need to be held accountable when offering to pay for gender-affirming surgeries in other states, such as California, because they are nothing more than political decisions masquerading as healthcare and human resource decisions,” Senator Ingoglia explained.
If SB 952 becomes law, woke corporations like Disney trying to curry cheap virtue-signaling points by offering a fig leaf of transitioning support, say by limiting transition coverage to $15,000 or something, but they would also be hooked under the proposed law for the ENTIRE unlimited cost of reversing transitions if they doesn’t work, and regardless of whether or not the employees still work there.
In other words, they’ll be on the hook FOREVER.
One suspects that an employer who could potentially be permanently liable for unlimited costs of de-transitioning might want to make SURE that an employee would REALLY benefit from castration and breast mutilation, and wasn’t just crazy as a sprayed roach.
In other words, put your money where your flapping pie-hole is, Disney. As Disney’s Mandalorians would say, This is the Way.
A note to Senator Imbroglia: I would suggest three amendments.
First, add a provision that an employee cannot waive this right or indemnify the employer through contract, since employers may try to skirt the law by having employees sign something when they apply for transition coverage.
Second, whenever an employer provides transition coverage for employees’ kids, require de-transitioning support for those minor children as well.
Finally, we might as well require employers to cover employees’ unanticipated side-effects from the transition procedures, since the procedures are basically experimental in nature.”
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/
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The horror is you can never detransition from surgery. Even some of the hormonal effects are permanent. But surgery permanently mutilates you. Oh there is such a thing as detransition surgery to “restore” you to your original gender, but it’s not the same as the original at all.
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Hahaha!!! From this morning’s Coffee and Covid.
“Biden and DeSantis were responding to a new bill filed in Florida this week by Republican Florida State Senator Blaise Ingoglia, titled “Employer Coverage of Gender Dysphoria Treatment.” Hilariously — BUT JUSTLY — the proposed law would require any employer who pays for employees gender transitions to also pay for their DE-TRANSITIONING surgeries and medical care if they later change their mind.
Hahahaha! It’s brilliant! Here’s the main bit from the proposed law, SB 952:
An employee who received gender dysphoria treatment through coverage provided by an employer is entitled to full coverage by that employer of the total costs associated with treatment that reverses gender dysphoria treatment if the employee later determines that the gender dysphoria treatment was not appropriate for him or her and wants to reverse the treatment, regardless of whether the person is currently employed by that same employer at the time of such determination.
Who can reasonably argue with this? It’s perfectly fair. If it’s critical for employers to support people slipping on the “right” gender, then it’s just as important to thrust them back into the prior gender when they find out their selected surgery didn’t quite resolve their gender dysphoria, but instead delivered a pallet of new, unanticipated problems.
Even though Florida has already discouraged radical gender surgeries, the proposed law would spray herbicide on new laws sprouting up like weeds in psychotic states like California, which incentivize medical tourism for gender-bending treatments. “Woke businesses need to be held accountable when offering to pay for gender-affirming surgeries in other states, such as California, because they are nothing more than political decisions masquerading as healthcare and human resource decisions,” Senator Ingoglia explained.
If SB 952 becomes law, woke corporations like Disney trying to curry cheap virtue-signaling points by offering a fig leaf of transitioning support, say by limiting transition coverage to $15,000 or something, but they would also be hooked under the proposed law for the ENTIRE unlimited cost of reversing transitions if they doesn’t work, and regardless of whether or not the employees still work there.
In other words, they’ll be on the hook FOREVER.
One suspects that an employer who could potentially be permanently liable for unlimited costs of de-transitioning might want to make SURE that an employee would REALLY benefit from castration and breast mutilation, and wasn’t just crazy as a sprayed roach.
In other words, put your money where your flapping pie-hole is, Disney. As Disney’s Mandalorians would say, This is the Way.
A note to Senator Imbroglia: I would suggest three amendments.
First, add a provision that an employee cannot waive this right or indemnify the employer through contract, since employers may try to skirt the law by having employees sign something when they apply for transition coverage.
Second, whenever an employer provides transition coverage for employees’ kids, require de-transitioning support for those minor children as well.
Finally, we might as well require employers to cover employees’ unanticipated side-effects from the transition procedures, since the procedures are basically experimental in nature.”
https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/
Meanwhile, I can’t get skin tags removed from my dermatologist because it is deemed “cosmetic” and thus not covered by insurance.
We are so fucking upside down.
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Meanwhile, I can’t get skin tags removed from my dermatologist because it is deemed “cosmetic” and thus not covered by insurance.
We are so fucking upside down.
FUBAR!
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Meanwhile, I can’t get skin tags removed from my dermatologist because it is deemed “cosmetic” and thus not covered by insurance.
We are so fucking upside down.
Very much so
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Trans activist insurrectionists storm and occupy the Kentucky state capitol.
https://www.lmtribune.com/nation/kentucky-state-police-arrest-people-at-ky-capitol-protesting-anti-trans-health-bill/article_ab9e7adc-4af1-526f-8f49-cdc0584749c3.html
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https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1641098301817643013/vid/720x1280/CE2s0euQgWgZlLWo.mp4?tag=16