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Pilot Zone => Accident Review/Never Again (I hope..) => Topic started by: Rush on March 18, 2023, 01:54:48 PM

Title: A good landing
Post by: Rush on March 18, 2023, 01:54:48 PM
Wonder why the engine lost power?

Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: Little Joe on March 19, 2023, 05:51:51 AM
Good thing he was in a Bonanza.
I hope his Ruddervators are ok.
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: Rush on March 19, 2023, 06:00:06 AM
Bent prop?  Engine tear down?  What do y’all think?
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: Little Joe on March 19, 2023, 06:30:24 AM
Bent prop?  Engine tear down?  What do y’all think?
Toast.  It now belongs to the insurance company.

Really hard landing (with gear extended???? WTF)
Severe wing damage.
Salt water immersion.
Apparently a very basic panel.

The Ruddervators may be the only salvageable part.  Those, plus the potential cost of repair most likely add up to way more than the cost of replacement.
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: Rush on March 19, 2023, 06:42:12 AM
Toast.  It now belongs to the insurance company.

Really hard landing (with gear extended???? WTF)
Severe wing damage.
Salt water immersion.
Apparently a very basic panel.

The Ruddervators may be the only salvageable part.  Those, plus the potential cost of repair most likely add up to way more than the cost of replacement.

Now I get your comment about the ruddervators, I forgot it ended up half in the water.  Once again, pre-caffeinated.  I should not be allowed to post until I’ve had at least two full mugs.
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: nddons on March 20, 2023, 07:23:37 PM
Toast.  It now belongs to the insurance company.

Really hard landing (with gear extended???? WTF)
Severe wing damage.
Salt water immersion.
Apparently a very basic panel.

The Ruddervators may be the only salvageable part.  Those, plus the potential cost of repair most likely add up to way more than the cost of replacement.
That was a hard landing. Wow.

Joe, the T-34 apparently has a brass gear in the landing gear gearbox that costs something in the area of $40k if purchased from Textron. Does the Bonanza have that same thing? 
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: Username on March 22, 2023, 12:26:50 PM
Add to it the cost of recovery and cleaning fuel / oil off every grain of sand (it's NY) and that gets very expensive very quickly.
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: Mr Pou on March 22, 2023, 03:36:46 PM
Wonder which wire he trapped?
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: Anthony on March 22, 2023, 04:11:19 PM
Wonder which wire he trapped?

Four.
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: Bamaflyer on March 26, 2023, 08:10:02 AM
Got it down but he needed a bit more cowbell (flare).  Shame, another one that’ll be totaled and parted out.
 8)
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: Rush on March 26, 2023, 09:09:02 AM
Got it down but he needed a bit more cowbell (flare).  Shame, another one that’ll be totaled and parted out.
 8)

I think you nailed it.  It’s been a long time but I’m trying to remember my soft field landing training, seem to recall, get as slow as possible before touchdown, flare and hold the nose up, up, up, up as long as possible. Is that right?  Full flaps?

It does look like he kinda drove the nose straight in.
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: Bamaflyer on March 26, 2023, 09:29:07 AM
I think you nailed it.  It’s been a long time but I’m trying to remember my soft field landing training, seem to recall, get as slow as possible before touchdown, flare and hold the nose up, up, up, up as long as possible. Is that right?  Full flaps?

It does look like he kinda drove the nose straight in.

Pretty much, with a variable amount of power to soften the landing. But in this case he may have been just trying to make a small landing area.
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: Steingar on March 27, 2023, 07:47:33 AM
Usually on a soft field you want to keep lots of engine power to keep the nose up, you ride the brakes to keep from rolling too fast.  That said this isn't the first time I've seen an airplane nose down in the sand.  It's far softer than most landing surfaces.  Then again, anything happens in the air and the airplane belongs to the insurance company, my job is to get me and my pax on the ground in one undamaged piece.  Looks like those guys did it very well indeed. Far easier to rebuild airplanes than people.
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: nddons on March 27, 2023, 03:44:03 PM
Usually on a soft field you want to keep lots of engine power to keep the nose up, you ride the brakes to keep from rolling too fast.  That said this isn't the first time I've seen an airplane nose down in the sand.  It's far softer than most landing surfaces.  Then again, anything happens in the air and the airplane belongs to the insurance company, my job is to get me and my pax on the ground in one undamaged piece.  Looks like those guys did it very well indeed. Far easier to rebuild airplanes than people.
Uh, nope.  You do NOT use brakes on a soft field landing, because you don’t want to get stuck in the soft field!  In fact, in a normal soft field landing you keep engine power in to avoid getting stuck.
Title: Re: A good landing
Post by: Bamaflyer on March 28, 2023, 03:01:47 PM
Usually on a soft field you want to keep lots of engine power to keep the nose up, you ride the brakes to keep from rolling too fast.  That said this isn't the first time I've seen an airplane nose down in the sand.  It's far softer than most landing surfaces.  Then again, anything happens in the air and the airplane belongs to the insurance company, my job is to get me and my pax on the ground in one undamaged piece.  Looks like those guys did it very well indeed. Far easier to rebuild airplanes than people.

No, not lots of engine power to keep the nose up. Apply enough power as needed for a particular field you’re landing at. No braking is used either. One does keep the yoke in the nose high position to protect the nose gear.