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Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Rush on March 27, 2023, 02:44:58 PM
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Was driving in the car when I heard they said it was a female shooter and that’s all they knew.
I said to myself, that’s a trans. Either a male, or a female on testosterone. Looks like I was right.
https://heavy.com/news/audrey-hale/
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Was driving in the car when I heard they said it was a female shooter and that’s all they knew.
I said to myself, that’s a trans. Either a male, or a female on testosterone. Looks like I was right.
https://heavy.com/news/audrey-hale/
Clue calls for an assault weapons ban, blah blah blah, and watch for zero mention of a mentally deranged tranny.
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So… mentally disturbed woman goes on killing rampage and the only important fact is that she is a fuckkng nutball.
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So… mentally disturbed woman goes on killing rampage and the only important fact is that she is a fuckkng nutball.
It was not a woman.
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It was not a woman.
Pretty sure it was a biological woman who wanted to be male.
Edit: I saw a headline: “Nashville shooter identified as 28 year old woman.”
In 2019 we would have know that to mean the police identified the shooter as a 28 year old woman.
Today, we don’t know if they meant the shooter “identified” as a 28 year old woman. But maybe was actually a 17 year old male. >:(
But yeah, a female that was using he/him pronouns. Probably pumped full of testosterone.
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Well to totally confuse matters the police chief said “woman” when asked by the reporter, “She identifies as transgender man or women?”
That answer implies male to female but I’m pretty sure the chief meant she WAS a woman, as in XX.
Jessssssuz We need to quit this gender shit it is wrecking language.
At 8:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOgaixKmlFE
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Fucking fuck ! It's a man baby! Austin Powers meme.
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100% you won't be hearing the left talk about what happens with you leave mental illness untreated.
My bingo card has "Trump's Fault". That's like a free space.
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100% you won't be hearing the left talk about what happens with you leave mental illness untreated.
My bingo card has "Trump's Fault". That's like a free space.
Mental illness is what ALL school shooters have in common. And evil.
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Well to totally confuse matters the police chief said “woman” when asked by the reporter, “She identifies as transgender man or women?”
That answer implies male to female but I’m pretty sure the chief meant she WAS a woman, as in XX.
Jessssssuz We need to quit this gender shit it is wrecking language.
At 8:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOgaixKmlFE
If you ever have to use the prefix “trans-“, you aren’t what you say you are.
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Except for the very rare birth defect where an XX female can end up with testicles, but I’m being an almost Asbergers level of nerdy picky exactness here.
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Doctors Report Startling Rise In Testicular Injuries Among Woman Athletes
A new study indicates a disturbing trend as testicular injuries in women's sports are increasing at an astounding rate. Researchers are baffled as these statistics have skyrocketed from literally zero reported testicular injuries among female athletes just a few years ago.
https://babylonbee.com/news/testicular-injuries-skyrocketing-among-women-athletes
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Progressives Across Nation Locked Out Of Accounts After CAPTCHA Asks 'Select All Squares That Contain A Woman'
Progressives across the nation have found themselves locked out of their accounts after CAPTCHA began asking users to identify what squares show a woman.
"I'm not a biologist!" cried local man Lucas Fitzgerald. "What kind of sick joke is this?"
https://babylonbee.com/news/progressive-locked-out-of-bank-account-after-captcha-prompt-select-all-the-squares-that-contain-a-woman
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Teacher Expresses Concern Johnny Is Not Transitioning Up To His Full Potential
A local teacher was forced to schedule a conference with a student's parents to express growing concern that their young son Johnny is not transitioning up to his full potential.
"I had such high hopes for Johnny," said teacher Lori Jameson (who transitions to "Lawrence" on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but remains "Lori" on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays). "He seemed like such a bright little boy when the school year began, but we're at Spring Break now, and he still hasn't expressed a desire to transition to a different gender. So disappointing!"
https://babylonbee.com/news/teacher-expresses-concern-johnny-is-not-transitioning-up-to-his-full-potential
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https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1640722557111357441
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Adios dirtbag.
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https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1640722557111357441
Outstanding. This is how the Uvalde, TX cops should have acted.
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Hell gets a little more crowded today.
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If you haven't seen it yet, heads up: Antifa is calling for a day of violence on Saturday against everyone in TN. Possibility it could spill over to other places.
Good day to carry.
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If you haven't seen it yet, heads up: Antifa is calling for a day of violence on Saturday against everyone in TN. Possibility it could spill over to other places.
Good day to carry.
What the hell is Antifa’s problem? That they killed the school shooter?
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Outstanding. This is how the Uvalde, TX cops should have acted.
I’m ashamed of my state. TX should have had that down pat.
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From the other cop’s bodycam.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1640723906049761281
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If you haven't seen it yet, heads up: Antifa is calling for a day of violence on Saturday against everyone in TN. Possibility it could spill over to other places.
Good day to carry.
link/source?
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If you haven't seen it yet, heads up: Antifa is calling for a day of violence on Saturday against everyone in TN. Possibility it could spill over to other places.
Good day to carry.
Everyday is a good day to carry.
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I don't get this. The "Trans Resistance Network" says that "The second and more complex tragedy is that Aiden or Aubrey Hale, who felt he had no other effective way to be seen than to lash out by taking the life of others, and consequence, himself."
Why did she need to be seen? Why can't trans people just go about their lives in whatever form they choose and leave the rest of us out of it?
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I don't get this. The "Trans Resistance Network" says that "The second and more complex tragedy is that Aiden or Aubrey Hale, who felt he had no other effective way to be seen than to lash out by taking the life of others, and consequence, himself."
Why did she need to be seen? Why can't trans people just go about their lives in whatever form they choose and leave the rest of us out of it?
By "seen" they mean pandered to, get put in a protected class, do whatever they want with no consequences or dissent from others.
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By "seen" they mean pandered to, get put in a protected class, do whatever they want with no consequences or dissent from others.
Absolutely correct. When they want attention, they want special rights and special treatment above the norm. They need to get psychiatric treatment and be monitored.
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Absolutely correct. When they want attention, they want special rights and special treatment above the norm. They need to get psychiatric treatment and be monitored.
They need treatment, but my layman's opinion it seems like the trend of violence from the crazies has risen with the left trying to normalize their behavior. There was a reason in the past, taboo as it may be now, that the crazies were removed from society and locked in asylums to protect themselves and others. They would rather blame inanimate objects that need human manipulation to function then place blame on the people who caused it. Another unpopular opinion, this should be another reason for stronger borders and to stop sending taxpayer money overseas. If we squander our resources on others, how can we provide services and help to our citizens?
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They need treatment,
Yes. They need treatment, and maybe even understanding and a bit of consideration.
But they do NOT need to be mainstreamed and normalized. They are not normal.
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They need treatment, but my layman's opinion it seems like the trend of violence from the crazies has risen with the left trying to normalize their behavior. There was a reason in the past, taboo as it may be now, that the crazies were removed from society and locked in asylums to protect themselves and others. They would rather blame inanimate objects that need human manipulation to function then place blame on the people who caused it. Another unpopular opinion, this should be another reason for stronger borders and to stop sending taxpayer money overseas. If we squander our resources on others, how can we provide services and help to our citizens?
The trannies I knew in the past were not like this AT ALL. First, there were very few of them and they were virtually all male. None of them were violent, other than toward themselves in suicide.
These extremist trannies today are a younger generation, probably 90% of the males aren’t trans at all, but took on the identity because it’s a social cult, and probably 99.99% of the females are not actually trans, just extremely mentally ill and seduced by groupthink. This is literally a psychological epidemic that is being transmitted among young people just like a virus.
In my worst nightmares I never pictured what is happening to western culture epitomized by gender ideology; the sickest zenith of the entire identity politic landscape.
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The Trans I work with is male to female and 21 years old and she talks about suicide all the time very flippilantly. Classic bullied kid in school, couldn't cope so went Trans as the solution. Still unhappy, still often depressed, etc.
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The Trans I work with is male to female and 21 years old and she talks about suicide all the time very flippilantly. Classic bullied kid in school, couldn't cope so went Trans as the solution. Still unhappy, still often depressed, etc.
If they can get past youth they seem to do better. By that I mean well out of their 20s. The trans I knew that were middle aged didn’t commit suicide. I know of one that died in old age, another that is happily married to another trans. Caitlyn Jenner seems to be a good example. Now, I do not know if any of them had bottom surgery. My understanding is that bottom surgeries have very high rates of devastating lifelong complications and I bet suicide rates in older trans will rise with more getting the bottom surgeries. And especially bottom surgeries in people who aren’t actually trans at all but deluded into thinking they are.
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Finally heard the news report last night say that the killer was born a female who was transitioning or had transitioned to male. That makes the killing more unusual (perhaps they treated her with too much testosterone!?)
Since most such killers are male and if one insists on indicting a particular group of people based on their sexual orientation....
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If they can get past youth they seem to do better. By that I mean well out of their 20s. The trans I knew that were middle aged didn’t commit suicide. I know of one that died in old age, another that is happily married to another trans. Caitlyn Jenner seems to be a good example. Now, I do not know if any of them had bottom surgery. My understanding is that bottom surgeries have very high rates of devastating lifelong complications and I bet suicide rates in older trans will rise with more getting the bottom surgeries. And especially bottom surgeries in people who aren’t actually trans at all but deluded into thinking they are.
Don't know if the one in which I work had surgery. Not gonna ask. Don't care, plus it would be inappropriate. There's another "girl" I'm told is also Trans but she really looks like a girl but was also told she transitioned early but again don't know won't ask. Lol. I'm friendly with her also.
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Don't know if the one in which I work had surgery. Not gonna ask. Don't care, plus it would be inappropriate. There's another "girl" I'm told is also Trans but she really looks like a girl but was also told she transitioned early but again don't know won't ask. Lol. I'm friendly with her also.
Man, I’m glad I’m old and married. Dating seems to have taken a sick turn for the worse over the last few years.
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Man, I’m glad I’m old and married. Dating seems to have taken a sick turn for the worse over the last few years.
Yeah on Twitter the guys are saying they need to look at the neck before asking a girl out (to see if there’s an Adam’s apple.)
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Meanwhile, in Iowa...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/iowa-governor-signs-gender-affirming-care-ban-bathroom-98079796
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Meanwhile, in Iowa...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/iowa-governor-signs-gender-affirming-care-ban-bathroom-98079796
"...the new ban on gender-affirming care gives doctors six months to cease prescribing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to their patients under 18. They are also prohibited from conducting gender-affirming surgeries, ..."
Good to see the state inserting itself into this and knowing what is in the best interest of the child rather than allowing the child and their parents to make such decisions. /s
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"...the new ban on gender-affirming care gives doctors six months to cease prescribing puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones to their patients under 18. They are also prohibited from conducting gender-affirming surgeries, ..."
Good to see the state inserting itself into this and knowing what is in the best interest of the child rather than allowing the child and their parents to make such decisions. /s
Jim, even agnostic (atheist?) you can see that we’re all drowning in Negative World. This law is fighting that. Absent such pushback against literal insanity, there is no hope.
https://news.gab.com/2023/03/being-winsome-and-nice-wont-cut-it-anymore-christian/
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Jim, even agnostic (atheist?) you can see that we’re all drowning in Negative World. This law is fighting that. Absent such pushback against literal insanity, there is no hope.
https://news.gab.com/2023/03/being-winsome-and-nice-wont-cut-it-anymore-christian/
I don't like the choices a lot of people make in their personal lives. Some drink and drive. The law in question is analogous to outlawing drinking alcohol to solve the problem of drunken driving, even if you only drink in private and then sleep it off. Or outlawing guns to solve killings like the one that started this thread.
Sure, the children and/or the parents may be making a bad decision but in a small number of cases it could be the right decision. More importantly it affects only the person who presumably makes the final choice and they should be allowed that choice. In the case of access to shared public restrooms the rights of others come into play and that is a legitimate area for laws on the subject. That is why I didn't criticize the attempt to legislate that aspect (though the law appears less than ideal.)
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The Trans I work with is male to female and 21 years old and she talks about suicide all the time very flippilantly. Classic bullied kid in school, couldn't cope so went Trans as the solution. Still unhappy, still often depressed, etc.
If you haven't asked her if she was seriously thinking about suicide, you should. There is probably better material on the subject, but Chapter 14 of this book provides some advice on helping people who admit to serious thoughts of suicide: https://www.amazon.com/Wheels-Down-Adjusting-Deployment-LifeTools-ebook/dp/B004Y1K84O/ (https://www.amazon.com/Wheels-Down-Adjusting-Deployment-LifeTools-ebook/dp/B004Y1K84O/)
It states "Most people, when asked directly whether they are thinking of killing themselves will tell you the truth."
(I wish I could recall who recommended I buy and read that book. It wasn't generally applicable to me except for the chapter on helping prevent suicides: I've known two women friends who attempted suicide and a female in-law who succeeded.)
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I don't like the choices a lot of people make in their personal lives. Some drink and drive. The law in question is analogous to outlawing drinking alcohol to solve the problem of drunken driving, even if you only drink in private and then sleep it off. Or outlawing guns to solve killings like the one that started this thread.
Sure, the children and/or the parents may be making a bad decision but in a small number of cases it could be the right decision. More importantly it affects only the person who presumably makes the final choice and they should be allowed that choice. In the case of access to shared public restrooms the rights of others come into play and that is a legitimate area for laws on the subject. That is why I didn't criticize the attempt to legislate that aspect (though the law appears less than ideal.)
One of the worst of the things about libertarianism I dislike the most is the idiotic and self righteous position on demanding that we stand down and allow the abuse of others to avoid some imaginary abuse of power.
Child abuse often results in dis functional adults and some of those dis functional adults suffer such that they grownup to be monsters.
Libertarians are so close to liberals that the sexual mutilation of small children is acceptable to avoid being heavy handed, while fucking liberals are excited about the slaughter of the unborn and now recently born. Neither position deserves a second thought, much less respect.
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If you haven't asked her if she was seriously thinking about suicide, you should. There is probably better material on the subject, but Chapter 14 of this book provides some advice on helping people who admit to serious thoughts of suicide: https://www.amazon.com/Wheels-Down-Adjusting-Deployment-LifeTools-ebook/dp/B004Y1K84O/ (https://www.amazon.com/Wheels-Down-Adjusting-Deployment-LifeTools-ebook/dp/B004Y1K84O/)
It states "Most people, when asked directly whether they are thinking of killing themselves will tell you the truth."
(I wish I could recall who recommended I buy and read that book. It wasn't generally applicable to me except for the chapter on helping prevent suicides: I've known two women friends who attempted suicide and a female in-law who succeeded.)
I have asked. No she's not serious and I think she just wants attention. However, she's unstable, overly dramatic about everything, so who knows. She seems to have a supportive family and good home life. She lives with her parents and grandparents whom I've met and they seem like good people.
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I don't like the choices a lot of people make in their personal lives. Some drink and drive. The law in question is analogous to outlawing drinking alcohol to solve the problem of drunken driving, even if you only drink in private and then sleep it off. Or outlawing guns to solve killings like the one that started this thread.
Sure, the children and/or the parents may be making a bad decision but in a small number of cases it could be the right decision. More importantly it affects only the person who presumably makes the final choice and they should be allowed that choice. In the case of access to shared public restrooms the rights of others come into play and that is a legitimate area for laws on the subject. That is why I didn't criticize the attempt to legislate that aspect (though the law appears less than ideal.)
Perhaps it would be better if the law was along the lines of not requiring insurance to pay for the "treatments".
Am I wrong in thinking that insurance companies have to pay for the procedures and "treatments" that mutilate the bodies of children?
Does our country have such a surplus of medical resources that those resources can be wasted?
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Perhaps it would be better if the law was along the lines of not requiring insurance to pay for the "treatments".
Am I wrong in thinking that insurance companies have to pay for the procedures and "treatments" that mutilate the bodies of children?
Does our country have such a surplus of medical resources that those resources can be wasted?
Of course because it's "gender affirming care". But it is my understanding that insurance does NOT pay for de-transitioning. Because that's not gender affirming care.
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In the case of access to shared public restrooms the rights of others come into play and that is a legitimate area for laws on the subject. That is why I didn't criticize the attempt to legislate that aspect (though the law appears less than ideal.)
How about the rights of women in sports when a Transgender male dominates their sport? (Think Lia Thomas).
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I realize the lame stream and their ass sucking followers think we are supposed to ignore the crimes and pretend to feel sorry about the mental case killer, but she got what she paid for and now her and God can work it out between themselves.
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Posted something on FB after this shooting. A lefty friend came back and I and several of my friends responded. My last response to him was to ask for his solution, crickets.
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Posted something on FB after this shooting. A lefty friend came back and I and several of my friends responded. My last response to him was to ask for his solution, crickets.
He's probably waiting for his leftist masters to give him the latest talking points to blame the NRA, Trump, Republicans, etc.
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Once again the libertarian ideal needs to be tempered with pragmatism. Government should make no law regarding the free choice of individuals to do whatever they want to their bodies, and in the case of children, parents should be the sole determiners, such as deciding whether their child gets the Covid jab.
This was working JUST FINE for decades. Nobody was cutting off kids’ boobs and dicks. The extremely rare true trans spent their childhood and adolescence in confusion and then maybe as an adult had surgery. No laws were necessary.
But the explosion of woke gender ideology has created huge numbers of fake trans along with the rise of a profit making industry to “treat” them, and they are NOT policing themselves and limiting surgeries to adults. This is resulting in grievous harm to lots of children who aren’t actually trans and even to the true trans who still may not have consented to surgery as an adult once they could grasp the real risk of long term bad outcomes.
To illustrate how serious these bad outcomes are, the trend had been away from surgically meddling with genitalia even in cases of androgynous birth defects or circumcision oopsies. That should tell you something. But in a bizarre reversal of this common sense we are now herding thousands of children to have their perfectly normal genitals and breasts mutilated.
Laws restricting that should not be necessary but here we are.
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To illustrate how serious these bad outcomes are, the trend had been away from surgically meddling with genitalia even in cases of androgynous birth defects or circumcision oopsies. That should tell you something. But in a bizarre reversal of this common sense we are now herding thousands of children to have their perfectly normal genitals and breasts mutilated.
Laws restricting that should not be necessary but here we are.
Yep... but there is no risk of people with libertarian principles being offended by common sense and respect for human life.
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Jim, even agnostic (atheist?) you can see that we’re all drowning in Negative World. This law is fighting that. Absent such pushback against literal insanity, there is no hope.
https://news.gab.com/2023/03/being-winsome-and-nice-wont-cut-it-anymore-christian/
There is evil happening to our kids, and it seems no one is willing to protect them. I appreciate the encroachment of government in our lives, but in this case we are protecting kids from life-altering medical interference with God’s plan for normal human growth.
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The Medical Industrial Complex is making millions with the sudden rise in confused kids. This is why laws are mandatory. It’s not just a little country doctor and the parents helping these kids. They are now being guided - or pushed - on their “journey.”
This is sick and disgusting.
https://youtu.be/7nVDhX1KlCs
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Yep... but there is no risk of people with libertarian principles being offended by common sense and respect for human life.
A libertarian utopia is as unattainable as a communist utopia. That doesn’t mean their practical applications are equally good or bad. Attempts at communist utopia always immediately lead to genocide and brutal totalitarianism. The closest we have come to libertarian utopia was the early United States. Free market economics everywhere, little or no regulation of individual freedoms. (Except slavery, slaves weren’t considered citizens or even human.)
But the reason for that is we didn’t need government regulation of personal freedoms because social convention regulated behavior. Sexual promiscuity and perversions were shamed. If you didn’t work you starved so we might have had one town drunk instead of thousands homeless drug addicts shitting in the street.
Libertarianism only works in a culture that socially, not legally, enforces the behaviors necessary for smooth human functioning in groups, and this leads to maximum freedom, particularly because it fosters upward mobility for everyone due to the freedom to innovate that capitalism brings.
When you start having to enforce personal behaviors legally, at the point of a gun, which is always the case when you criminalize something, then you’ve already lost the culture war. Now you risk the rise of an authoritarian right, and we see this happening as a reaction to the radical LBGTetc. activists. Laws saying I can’t walk into a men’s room to pee: nonsense that was totally unnecessary twenty years ago. And yes I have done that, did it a couple weeks ago as a matter of fact.
The minority that are violent radicals of the LGBTetc movement are only the tip of the iceberg, only one symptom of a deep and serious problem in our culture: the widespread movement to stop reproducing.
Species suicide. A drive to remove humanity from the planet, now they are directly sterilizing children. That’s an outgrowth that began with birth control 70 years ago, feminism, and fake climate hysteria. You are right Number7, the problem is a loss of respect for human life.
Libertarianism can’t fix that. Authoritarianism can’t fix that, neither the right nor left variety. I fear that the only thing that can fix it is to allow the destruction to bring us back to the Stone Age when once again, making babies will become a priority.
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The US had 647 mass shootings last year. One was by a trans, leaving 646 by straight men. Your point?
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The US had 647 mass shootings last year. One was by a trans, leaving 646 by straight men. Your point?
Trans is just another form of Mental Illness. That's the point. Most are unstable, often suicidal, depressed and sometimes unhinged.
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Don’t feed the troll…
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The US had 647 mass shootings last year. One was by a trans, leaving 646 by straight men. Your point?
That’s bullshit. That’s from the Gun Violence Archive, an advocacy group. Facts matter.
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The US had 647 mass shootings last year. One was by a trans, leaving 646 by straight men. Your point?
Actually 4 or 5 were by gay or trans men, and most of the rest were black men (probably straight, I’ll grant you that) involved in inner city gang violence. Not really the classic definition of “mass shooting” but they expanded it to include garden variety drug related crime when 3 or more are shot together.
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And Chicago has mass shootings each week, but that's never discussed.
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That’s bullshit. That’s from the Gun Violence Archive, an advocacy group. Facts matter.
as with most things, definitions are important in order to have a common understanding of the facts.
Nevermind the idiocy of the term "Gun Violence"
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And Chicago has mass shootings each week, but that's never discussed.
And Philly, Atlanta, NY. and a myriad of other cities.
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as with most things, definitions are important in order to have a common understanding of the facts.
Nevermind the idiocy of the term "Gun Violence"
They used to talk about "Gang Violence" which is actually the legitimate issue, then the Media totally sold out to the Communist agenda and started pushing that guns are the cause of the murders.
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"gang violence" is probably no longer in vogue because it's "racist"
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The US had 647 mass shootings last year. One was by a trans, leaving 646 by straight men. Your point?
175 victims of mass shootings in schools.
SINCE 1999.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mass-school-shootings-kill-175-columbine-nashville-98162267#:~:text=Mass%20school%20shootings%20kill%20175%20from%20Columbine%20to,The%20Associated%20Press%20March%2027%2C%202023%2C%201%3A42%20PM
If a mass shooting is defined as resulting in the death of four or more people, not including the perpetrator, 175 people have died in 15 such events connected to U.S. schools and colleges — from 1999's Columbine High School massacre to Monday's shooting in Nashville, Tennessee. That's according to a database compiled by The Associated Press, USA Today and Northeastern University, in addition to other AP reporting:
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The Answer?
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One of the worst of the things about libertarianism I dislike the most is the idiotic and self righteous position on demanding that we stand down and allow the abuse of others to avoid some imaginary abuse of power.
Child abuse often results in dis functional adults and some of those dis functional adults suffer such that they grownup to be monsters.
Libertarians are so close to liberals that the sexual mutilation of small children is acceptable to avoid being heavy handed, while fucking liberals are excited about the slaughter of the unborn and now recently born. Neither position deserves a second thought, much less respect.
It takes a minimum of 3 people to agree a medical procedure prior to its execution: the parent(s), the child, and the doctor. The reality is probably closer to 5 or more since others are needed.
I wrote nothing about slaughtering anyone or abortion so I'm not sure why you brought that up other than you ran out of counter arguments and wanted very much to paint me as evil. All I can say in return is you are a closet authoritarian after all - just like socialists.
As to your objection to sexual mutilation of children, does that include male circumcision? About 80% of newborn males in the U.S. have the foreskin of their penis surgically removed. They didn't get to choose. Covered by insurance I believe. Worldwide only about 38% of males are circumcised, and some cultures actually require consent of the male, meaning it occurs later in life.
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It takes a minimum of 3 people to agree a medical procedure prior to its execution: the parent(s), the child, and the doctor. The reality is probably closer to 5 or more since others are needed.
I wrote nothing about slaughtering anyone or abortion so I'm not sure why you brought that up other than you ran out of counter arguments and wanted very much to paint me as evil. All I can say in return is you are a closet authoritarian after all - just like socialists.
As to your objection to sexual mutilation of children, does that include male circumcision? About 80% of newborn males in the U.S. have the foreskin of their penis surgically removed. They didn't get to choose. Covered by insurance I believe. Worldwide only about 38% of males are circumcised, and some cultures actually require consent of the male, meaning it occurs later in life.
Big difference, Jim. You’re a doctor, right?
Life-altering mastectomies, castration, addadicktome or takeadickoffme surgeries, along with drugs to chemically castrate boys or play with their testosterone or estrogen is a little bit different than a circumcision, don’t you think?
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As to your objection to sexual mutilation of children, does that include male circumcision? About 80% of newborn males in the U.S. have the foreskin of their penis surgically removed. They didn't get to choose. Covered by insurance I believe. Worldwide only about 38% of males are circumcised, and some cultures actually require consent of the male, meaning it occurs later in life.
It's my understanding that male circumcision is actually healthier for the child. But maybe that's a myth ...
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Big difference, Jim. You’re a doctor, right?
Life-altering mastectomies, castration, addadicktome or takeadickoffme surgeries, along with drugs to chemically castrate boys or play with their testosterone or estrogen is a little bit different than a circumcision, don’t you think?
Different in choice, which was my point. Number7's use of "mutilation" is more appropriate to things like tattoos. The goal of sex change is, well, sex change.
Just so I know where people stand, does this mean you are in favor of outlawing the right of a seventeen year old boy or girl to seek any such procedure?
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Different in choice, which was my point. Number7's use of "mutilation" is more appropriate to things like tattoos. The goal of sex change is, well, sex change.
Just so I know where people stand, does this mean you are in favor of outlawing the right of a seventeen year old boy or girl to seek any such procedure?
We generally consider the age of 18 to be the age of consent. They can serve in the military, vote, and do a host of other things. They are also outside of statutory rape age.
17 is not 18, so yes, I would be against it for a 17 year old.
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It takes a minimum of 3 people to agree a medical procedure prior to its execution: the parent(s), the child, and the doctor. The reality is probably closer to 5 or more since others are needed.
I wrote nothing about slaughtering anyone or abortion so I'm not sure why you brought that up other than you ran out of counter arguments and wanted very much to paint me as evil. All I can say in return is you are a closet authoritarian after all - just like socialists.
As to your objection to sexual mutilation of children, does that include male circumcision? About 80% of newborn males in the U.S. have the foreskin of their penis surgically removed. They didn't get to choose. Covered by insurance I believe. Worldwide only about 38% of males are circumcised, and some cultures actually require consent of the male, meaning it occurs later in life.
That you need to babble about circumcising a boy and join it to sexual reassignment surgery makes everything you claim to believe with your libertarianism unworthy of response.’
If you really the buy horseshit you posted you’re not worth engaging. It’s all bullshit.
Go try and fuck yourself with a rusty shovel blade and claim that it is anus realignment surgery, because that makes just about as much sense.
No wonder the libertarian party is a rounding error on election night.
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It's my understanding that male circumcision is actually healthier for the child. But maybe that's a myth ...
It’s controversial. There are problems that can arise in the foreskin that you can’t get if you have no foreskin but using that as an argument for removing it makes about as much sense as removing any other body part just because you might have a problem with it at some point in life. Most problems with the foreskin can be avoided by proper care. And general good health; smoking and diabetes raises the risk of problems in that area as in all other parts of the body.
The flip side is the risk of problems from the circumcision procedure, which range from minor, to permanent scarring and defects of the penis or the urinary tract, gangrene of the glans, loss of the entire penis, and of course, death.
In addition, the claim is that being circumcised reduces the sensitivity of the glans and hence sexual pleasure but men who were circumcised at birth have nothing to compare it to so probably don’t miss it.
I had only girls but I had made up my mind if I had a boy I would not get him circumcised. The benefits don’t outweigh the risks but then as a childbirth educator who is trained in neonatology, I’d seen too many pictures of botched circumcisions. Nuh uh, no way in hell was I gonna risk my baby boy’s pee pee.
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It’s controversial. There are problems that can arise in the foreskin that you can’t get if you have no foreskin but using that as an argument for removing it makes about as much sense as removing any other body part just because you might have a problem with it at some point in life. ...
sorry. But that's a completely ludicrous comparison.
And consider if you tried to apply the same argument about botched circumcisions to other medical procedures. Yup, there are plenty of cases where a knee replacement was screwed up (I personally knew someone who died 3 days after a knee replacement due to complications from the surgery)... but that doesn't mean the knee replacement is too risky.
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sorry. But that's a completely ludicrous comparison.
And consider if you tried to apply the same argument about botched circumcisions to other medical procedures. Yup, there are plenty of cases where a knee replacement was screwed up (I personally knew someone who died 3 days after a knee replacement due to complications from the surgery)... but that doesn't mean the knee replacement is too risky.
In the case of knee replacement you are correcting a pathology that affects your quality of life, not doing an unnecessary elective procedure. I was willing to risk complications and death to get my hip replacement because the pain I was in made life not worth living anyway.
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I had thought the trans thing pretty much was “out there” as I live in a red county in a blue state. But yesterday I went to our local REI (outdoor sports) store to look at shoes. Hadn’t been in for a long time. Weirdly, things didn’t seem as neatly displayed and the usual friendly greetings were absent. It felt different. At last, a chubby tattooed guy with bright turquoise-painted fingernails (weird, as usually they hire fit, experienced outdoor types) broke off his conversation with a co-worker and asked languidly if he could help me. As we spoke, I noticed that on his name tag it said “He/Him.” Eventually he told me to just look online for shoes.
This experience was a data point for EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT.
Still, it could be a one-off, thought ever-optimistic I.
But next stop was Super Supplements, where I met cashier “Phil,” obviously a woman, but with butch hair, piercings, tattoos, and “He/They” on her name tag.
It’s real, people.
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It's not about trans, or any other letter combinations. It's about having all of us bow down to .01% of the population and their whims.
I don't, and I won't.
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I had thought the trans thing pretty much was “out there” as I live in a red county in a blue state. But yesterday I went to our local REI (outdoor sports) store to look at shoes. Hadn’t been in for a long time. Weirdly, things didn’t seem as neatly displayed and the usual friendly greetings were absent. It felt different. At last, a chubby tattooed guy with bright turquoise-painted fingernails (weird, as usually they hire fit, experienced outdoor types) broke off his conversation with a co-worker and asked languidly if he could help me. As we spoke, I noticed that on his name tag it said “He/Him.” Eventually he told me to just look online for shoes.
This experience was a data point for EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT.
Still, it could be a one-off, thought ever-optimistic I.
But next stop was Super Supplements, where I met cashier “Phil,” obviously a woman, but with butch hair, piercings, tattoos, and “He/They” on her name tag.
It’s real, people.
Knock on wood I’ve seen none of it in my corner of Texas yet.
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Knock on wood I’ve seen none of it in my corner of Texas yet.
I have never seen name tags with pronouns. But then I live in the State that elected Governor DeSantis; the next President of the United States.
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He used a pistol caliber carbine not an AR-15. However, an AR-15 is not an Assault Rifle.
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He used a pistol caliber carbine not an AR-15. However, an AR-15 is not an Assault Rifle.
Of course it's an assault rifle! That's what AR stands for!
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I have never seen name tags with pronouns. But then I live in the State that elected Governor DeSantis; the next President of the United States.
If that happens, it’ll be because the powers and handlers behind the Biden steal of the Trump historic landslide victory approve and enable yet another cheat. Which means they would control DeSantis. He would not be allowed to do the people's work, but as their puppet would be constrained by softer chains and fewer outright attacks as they levied at President Trump actually for doing the people’s work.
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Everyday is a good day to carry.
Can't wait for Ron to sign the CC law.
No photo, fingerprints, ID card, etc., all of which are unconstitutional on its face.
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Of course it's an assault rifle! That's what AR stands for!
As I suspected!
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It's not about trans, or any other letter combinations. It's about having all of us bow down to .01% of the population and their whims.
I don't, and I won't.
I had to sign up for a conference in my firm in July in Nashville. The pronoun thing was optional.
But I have a friend who works at Abbott and she couldn’t progress through the registration process for some conference without giving pronouns.
When this dramatic fiction becomes mandatory and we are all required to play along with people’s mental derangements, I’m out.
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I have never seen name tags with pronouns. But then I live in the State that elected Governor DeSantis; the next President of the United States.
Yes! You’re talking about the guy who just passed Constitutional Carry in Florida, right?
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I had to sign up for a conference in my firm in July in Nashville. The pronoun thing was optional.
But I have a friend who works at Abbott and she couldn’t progress through the registration process for some conference without giving pronouns.
When this dramatic fiction becomes mandatory and we are all required to play along with people’s mental derangements, I’m out.
Go 1099.
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If that happens, it’ll be because the powers and handlers behind the Biden steal of the Trump historic landslide victory approve and enable yet another cheat. Which means they would control DeSantis. He would not be allowed to do the people's work, but as their puppet would be constrained by softer chains and fewer outright attacks as they levied at President Trump actually for doing the people’s work.
Becky, that is real sophistry. You are projecting what you want to be true because he’s a threat to Trump. I see this on pro-Trump sites all the time, with facts not in evidence. Yet you are talking about one of the founders of the House Freedom Caucus. You are talking about THE MAN who turned Florida from purple to red. You’re talking about the person who took on the woke mob, took on the Militaristic Education Complex, took on Disney, and took on voter integrity - all things Trump has never even tried to do.
If there are people on the RINO side who like DeSantis, they are doing so because he’s the only viable Republican candidate who would have a chance to defeat Trump. So what? Don’t play the democrats guilt by association game. Trump rejected it when David Duke endorsed him and the democrats jumped on that, and you should reject it too.
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Becky, that is real sophistry. You are projecting what you want to be true because he’s a threat to Trump. I see this on pro-Trump sites all the time, with facts not in evidence. Yet you are talking about one of the founders of the House Freedom Caucus. You are talking about THE MAN who turned Florida from purple to red. You’re talking about the person who took on the woke mob, took on the Militaristic Education Complex, took on Disney, and took on voter integrity - all things Trump has never even tried to do.
If there are people on the RINO side who like DeSantis, they are doing so because he’s the only viable Republican candidate who would have a chance to defeat Trump. So what? Don’t play the democrats guilt by association game. Trump rejected it when David Duke endorsed him and the democrats jumped on that, and you should reject it too.
Trump supporters do seem to overlook that DeSantis was in congress as one of the nine founding member of the House Freedom Caucus in January 2015 - before Trump announced his presidential candidacy in June 2015.
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Becky, that is real sophistry. You are projecting what you want to be true because he’s a threat to Trump. I see this on pro-Trump sites all the time, with facts not in evidence. Yet you are talking about one of the founders of the House Freedom Caucus. You are talking about THE MAN who turned Florida from purple to red. You’re talking about the person who took on the woke mob, took on the Militaristic Education Complex, took on Disney, and took on voter integrity - all things Trump has never even tried to do.
If there are people on the RINO side who like DeSantis, they are doing so because he’s the only viable Republican candidate who would have a chance to defeat Trump. So what? Don’t play the democrats guilt by association game. Trump rejected it when David Duke endorsed him and the democrats jumped on that, and you should reject it too.
Stan, with all due respect, I find no comfort in “what I want to be true.” I’m no Trumpophile, just a realist. In fact, I emphatically want it to be true that “someone out there” will secure our elections. But election fraud is targeted and efficient now, elections are controlled by the Uniparty and their spook puppeteers, and you know it and have said so. An epic landslide was overcome with cheating. No Republican can be elected ever again until it’s fixed.
I don’t dismiss anything useful and patriotic that DeSantis has done. But I continue to believe, as we see with his tepid response to the indictment, that he will not stand up to the regime and expose its corruption, ever. And we need someone who will, in or out of the White House. And we need millions to unite in the cause of restoring fair elections and ousting traitorous players. Really, it’s on all of us, and I see you pinning hopes on DeSantis that never can come to fruition in the way you wish.
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Trump supporters do seem to overlook that DeSantis was in congress as one of the nine founding member of the House Freedom Caucus in January 2015 - before Trump announced his presidential candidacy in June 2015.
I’m old enough to remember when Paul Ryan claimed to be a Republican and also claimed conservative values.
I’m also old enough to remember when Mitch McConnell was claiming to be a conservative.
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I’m old enough to remember when Paul Ryan claimed to be a Republican and also claimed conservative values.
I’m also old enough to remember when Mitch McConnell was claiming to be a conservative.
What is the evidence against DeSantis? Assertions are a dime a dozen.
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What is the evidence against DeSantis? Assertions are a dime a dozen.
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One is known by the company they keep. So far, there are 4 PACs formed for DeSantis. Each one is run by establishment republicans.
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Stan, with all due respect, I find no comfort in “what I want to be true.” I’m no Trumpophile, just a realist. In fact, I emphatically want it to be true that “someone out there” will secure our elections. But election fraud is targeted and efficient now, elections are controlled by the Uniparty and their spook puppeteers, and you know it and have said so. An epic landslide was overcome with cheating. No Republican can be elected ever again until it’s fixed.
I don’t dismiss anything useful and patriotic that DeSantis has done. But I continue to believe, as we see with his tepid response to the indictment, that he will not stand up to the regime and expose its corruption, ever. And we need someone who will, in or out of the White House. And we need millions to unite in the cause of restoring fair elections and ousting traitorous players. Really, it’s on all of us, and I see you pinning hopes on DeSantis that never can come to fruition in the way you wish.
Respectfully, you said DeSantis would be a puppet and would be controlled by somebody. Sounds like a wish without any facts to back it up.
Now you say he will not stand up to the regime, ever. Based on what? Because his response wasn’t sufficiently robust for you? If the tables were turned, do you HONESTLY believe Trump would come out with a full-throated defense of DeSantis, given his current treatment of DeSantis?
No, Trump would say DeSantis is a crook, a cheat, and deserves to get thrown in jail. He’d probably also hint that he has dirt in Ron’s wife at the same time. When DeSantis fans would object to Trump’s words, they would be told by Trump fans: “Hey, politics is a blood sport. It’s the Art of the Deal.”
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So at what point does someone go full JeffDG and start screaming "Trumpkins!" over and over? ::)
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So at what point does someone go full JeffDG and start screaming "Trumpkins!" over and over? ::)
Is that the best you can do?
I for one think Trump would be a good President.
If there was any way in hell he could get elected.
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So at what point does someone go full JeffDG and start screaming "Trumpkins!" over and over? ::)
Having a rough day? You should know me and Joe better than that. Feel free to tell me where I’m wrong in what I wrote to Becky or Rush.
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Is that the best you can do?
I for one think Trump would be a good President.
If there was any way in hell he could get elected.
I'm just amused watching the back and forth.
I think DeSantis would be a good President.
If there was any way in hell he could get elected.
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Having a rough day? You should know me and Joe better than that. Feel free to tell me where I’m wrong in what I wrote to Becky or Rush.
Geez guys........Ya know, they have the decaffeinated stuff now that's just as tasty as the regular stuff..................
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Geez guys........Ya know, they have the decaffeinated stuff now that's just as tasty as the regular stuff..................
I’ve worked 58 days out of the last 59, so I’m a little wired. I’ll be taking tonight off.
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I’ve worked 58 days out of the last 59, so I’m a little wired. I’ll be taking tonight off.
That reminds me.... I haven't heard from my accountant!!!!
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Okay, so, Stan … this post of Joe and Lucifer summarizes the Trump-DeSantis issue for me and really, closes it. The world has changed. We’re living in a failed republic. Preparing to survive the coming collapse would be a better use of our time than discussing what candidate can “win.” This isn’t giving up. It’s understanding that survival depends on adjusting to the new data. And that our progeny may be the ones who have to rebuild on the ashes.
Enjoy your cocktail. Ours will be perfect margaritas.
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Becky, that is real sophistry. You are projecting what you want to be true because he’s a threat to Trump. I see this on pro-Trump sites all the time, with facts not in evidence. Yet you are talking about one of the founders of the House Freedom Caucus. You are talking about THE MAN who turned Florida from purple to red. You’re talking about the person who took on the woke mob, took on the Militaristic Education Complex, took on Disney, and took on voter integrity - all things Trump has never even tried to do.
If there are people on the RINO side who like DeSantis, they are doing so because he’s the only viable Republican candidate who would have a chance to defeat Trump. So what? Don’t play the democrats guilt by association game. Trump rejected it when David Duke endorsed him and the democrats jumped on that, and you should reject it too.
I'm on the fence Stan, but I'm leaning towards Becky's and Lucifers stance. I just don't trust the GOP anymore. They hated that Trump got the nomination and won. That's documented.
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Okay, so, Stan … this post of Joe and Lucifer summarizes the Trump-DeSantis issue for me and really, closes it. The world has changed. We’re living in a failed republic. Preparing to survive the coming collapse would be a better use of our time than discussing what candidate can “win.” This isn’t giving up. It’s understanding that survival depends on adjusting to the new data. And that our progeny may be the ones who have to rebuild on the ashes.
Enjoy your cocktail. Ours will be perfect margaritas.
You too, my friend. I’m working through one remaining bottle of bourbon in light of the pending commencement of gin season.
Gin season usually starts when you move from jeans and sweatshirts to shorts and t-shirts, but there’s a gap between the two, at least here in Wisconsin.
My dad drank Gin or scotch almost exclusively, after having spent a few years in England before moving on to France on 7 June 1944. So my brother and I have designated his birthday, April 2, as the commencement of gin season.
I’ll permit a crossover with bourbon due to weather conditions until the anniversary of my dad’s passing on May 14, after which bourbon is prohibited.
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I'm on the fence Stan, but I'm leaning towards Becky's and Lucifers stance. I just don't trust the GOP anymore. They hated that Trump got the nomination and won. That's documented.
I don’t disagree with one iota of what you said. I just ask that you look at DeSantis for what he says and does, and not for what others, including Trump, say about him. He’s his own man, and as of now, I don’t see him owned whatsoever.
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Becky, that is real sophistry. You are projecting what you want to be true because he’s a threat to Trump. I see this on pro-Trump sites all the time, with facts not in evidence. Yet you are talking about one of the founders of the House Freedom Caucus. You are talking about THE MAN who turned Florida from purple to red. You’re talking about the person who took on the woke mob, took on the Militaristic Education Complex, took on Disney, and took on voter integrity - all things Trump has never even tried to do.
Those are the very reasons I believe they will rig the election just as bad against DeSantis as they will Trump. So the argument that we need to vote DeSantis because he has a better chance to win the general is just wrong.
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Those are the very reasons I believe they will rig the election just as bad against DeSantis as they will Trump. So the argument that we need to vote DeSantis because he has a better chance to win the general is just wrong.
They may rig it. So who will get more independent voters, which is mandatory if you want any chance of winning - Trump, or DeSantis?
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They may rig it. So who will get more independent voters, which is mandatory if you want any chance of winning - Trump, or DeSantis?
It doesn’t matter. They will manufacture however many votes are needed.
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My lean at the moment is Ramaswamy.
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Yes! You’re talking about the guy who just passed Constitutional Carry in Florida, right?
He got the legislation passed but he hasn't signed it YET. He has promised to sign soon, even though he didn't get the Open Carry option that he sought.
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The perp most likely used 9mm. However, 5.56 and .223 are essentially varmint and small game rounds.
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The perp most likely used 9mm. However, 5.56 and .223 are essentially varmint and small game rounds.
That’s not possible. Haven’t you been reading all the information from such renowned firearm experts like CNN and MSNBC?
The .223 is a bullet of war, and is designed to tumble when it hits a target to destroy all vital organs for maximum destruction.
NGFIT
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The MSM and Big Tech have wiped the 6 people who died out of the news cycle.
The FJB admin has now labeled the shooter as the "victim". The shooters manifesto has been hidden.
And now we watched at the Nashville Capital an "insurrection" (using the dims definition) and the Tenn Legislature expelled 3 members for participating.
Kamala races to Nashville to get a photo op with two of the expelled dims. FJB has invited them to the WH.
Oh, and FJB has refused to visit the families of the murdered 6.
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Only two were expelled.
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Only two were expelled.
Well obviously because she’s WHITE!
Immediately, Johnson illustrated why you never show Democrats mercy in a political situation like this. She ran to the press and asserted that the reason she was spared is that she is white and the two men who were expelled are black. It was the racialized talking point the left wanted, and a handful of Republicans were just dumb enough to hand it over willingly when all they had to do was drop the hammer on all of the so-called “Tennessee Three.”
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/04/08/cowardly-republican-who-saved-tn-insurrectionist-puts-out-incredibly-odd-statement-n728284
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When the “Tennessee Three” is bigger news than the “Nashville Six”, ALL in the same WEEK, you know this has nothing to do with guns.
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Well obviously because she’s WHITE!
Immediately, Johnson illustrated why you never show Democrats mercy in a political situation like this. She ran to the press and asserted that the reason she was spared is that she is white and the two men who were expelled are black. It was the racialized talking point the left wanted, and a handful of Republicans were just dumb enough to hand it over willingly when all they had to do was drop the hammer on all of the so-called “Tennessee Three.”
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/04/08/cowardly-republican-who-saved-tn-insurrectionist-puts-out-incredibly-odd-statement-n728284 (https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/04/08/cowardly-republican-who-saved-tn-insurrectionist-puts-out-incredibly-odd-statement-n728284)
Is he the only that changed his vote?
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-tennessee-lawmakers-voted-in-thursdays-house-expulsion-debate/ar-AA19zZEr (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-tennessee-lawmakers-voted-in-thursdays-house-expulsion-debate/ar-AA19zZEr)
Article listing the three votes taken.
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^^^^This! Evil incarnate.
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