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Title: Trump indicted.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 30, 2023, 04:09:06 PM
This should be interesting.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on March 30, 2023, 04:20:41 PM
This is FJB's Banana Republic.

Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on March 30, 2023, 04:28:40 PM
Interesting is an understatement.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 30, 2023, 04:31:24 PM
Interesting is an understatement.

I know, but words failed me.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 30, 2023, 04:52:05 PM
kind of makes me wonder what the dims are trying to distract attention from...
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on March 30, 2023, 05:01:18 PM
kind of makes me wonder what the dims are trying to distract attention from...

  Our economy is on the brink.  For those paying attention, several events have recently occurred that will eventually remove the dollar as the reserve currency.  Couple that with the bank failures and inflation and the FJB totally fucking our economy, we are looking at a situation that will be worse than the Great Depression.

 Now add in the Ukraine mess, and how close the world is now to WW3.

  The republicans in congress have the receipts on FJB and his family corruption.    Oh, and don't forget the Nordstream pipeline that FJB had destroyed, which is an act of war.

  Distraction?   You bet.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Number7 on March 30, 2023, 05:12:41 PM
The DA has all the integrity of harry reid and the intelligence of maxine waters, to go with the honesty of the senile imposter.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 30, 2023, 05:23:34 PM
you think maxine is dumber than hank johnson?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Number7 on March 30, 2023, 05:36:49 PM
you think maxine is dumber than hank johnson?

She’s at least a dumb as hank, intellectually ignorant as POS, and useless as nipples on a dead skunk.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on March 30, 2023, 06:33:38 PM
https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1641562824852774916
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Anthony on March 30, 2023, 06:56:31 PM
  Our economy is on the brink.  For those paying attention, several events have recently occurred that will eventually remove the dollar as the reserve currency.  Couple that with the bank failures and inflation and the FJB totally fucking our economy, we are looking at a situation that will be worse than the Great Depression.

 Now add in the Ukraine mess, and how close the world is now to WW3.

  The republicans in congress have the receipts on FJB and his family corruption.    Oh, and don't forget the Nordstream pipeline that FJB had destroyed, which is an act of war.

  Distraction?   You bet.

We're totally effed. Looking at double digit interst rates and double digit inflation which they're trying to hide. And the layoffs are happening starting with the Woke sectors.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on March 30, 2023, 07:06:39 PM
We're totally effed. Looking at double digit interst rates and double digit inflation which they're trying to hide. And the layoffs are happening starting with the Woke sectors.

Yes. Unemployment is going to skyrocket and still nobody is building stuff, there are upcoming housing shortages and people pouring over the border.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 30, 2023, 07:33:12 PM
Beginning of the end, we had a good ride but it's all over now.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 30, 2023, 07:45:23 PM
Remember, she was the Speaker
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Number7 on March 30, 2023, 09:16:47 PM
Remember, she was the Speaker

How many ways that bitch defines cunt…
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on March 30, 2023, 11:43:56 PM
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 31, 2023, 04:34:10 AM
How many ways that bitch defines cunt…
Perhaps she's just telling us how it is going to be under dictatorial Democrat rule from here on out.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on March 31, 2023, 04:38:34 AM
Remember, she was the Speaker

from "Magnum Force"

"People are guilty until proven... I mean... God damn it, you know what I mean!"

Yes, Nancy, we know what you mean...
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 31, 2023, 05:08:40 AM
We're well on our way to the Democratic Socialist States of America.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Little Joe on March 31, 2023, 05:15:17 AM
At least one man is resisting the weaponization of the Fed enforcement apparatchiks, even as Trump keeps attacking him.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-trump-charges-are-un-american-says-florida-will-not-assist-in-extradition-request-by-manhattan
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Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis said his state "will not assist" in any extradition request by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg amid what he called "questionable circumstances" while slamming the charges against former President Donald Trump as "un-American" and as a "weaponization of the legal system to advance a political agenda."
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on March 31, 2023, 05:59:04 AM
At least one man is resisting the weaponization of the Fed enforcement apparatchiks, even as Trump keeps attacking him.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/desantis-trump-charges-are-un-american-says-florida-will-not-assist-in-extradition-request-by-manhattan
That’s not possible. Lucifer just posted a cartoon of DeSantis on Jeb Bush’s and Karl Rove’s shoulders. Surely those people wouldn’t allow DeSantis to have independent thought, would they?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on March 31, 2023, 06:26:03 AM
Joe and Stan, how the hell is making a tepid statement avowing one’s non-action going to change anything about the illicit regime’s ongoing and now routine practice of arresting and incarcerating its political opponents or anyone who threatens to reveal their ACTUAL crimes?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on March 31, 2023, 08:15:31 AM
Styx said in his livestream (not the one Luci posted) that he will now only vote for Trump in 2024.  If Trump isn’t the nominee he won’t be voting for any other Republican, not even Rand Paul. The reason is that it will not matter.  Trump is the only person who is dedicated to opposing the corrupt Uniparty.  No one else has a chance to fight it and we will all be fucked anyway so who cares which party is in the White House.

I take that to mean he will not be voting for DeSantis (he likes Paul much better than DeSantis).  I will have to consider whether I will follow suit. Probably not, maybe the GOP will destroy us slightly more slowly. Maybe I can die before things get too bad.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on March 31, 2023, 08:35:50 AM
Styx said in his livestream (not the one Luci posted) that he will now only vote for Trump in 2024.  If Trump isn’t the nominee he won’t be voting for any other Republican, not even Rand Paul. The reason is that it will not matter.  Trump is the only person who is dedicated to opposing the corrupt Uniparty.  No one else has a chance to fight it and we will all be fucked anyway so who cares which party is in the White House.

I take that to mean he will not be voting for DeSantis (he likes Paul much better than DeSantis).  I will have to consider whether I will follow suit. Probably not, maybe the GOP will destroy us slightly more slowly. Maybe I can die before things get too bad.
Well that’s just fucking brilliant.

I will never, ever understand the quitter mindset.

These podcasters who think they are a modern day Nostradamus are no more skilled than you or I in predicting the future. I put Glen Beck in that same boat.

I had fucking cancer. I know the feeling of wanting to quit. When you realize that if you quit, you die, you realize quitting is never an option. Ever. Fuck quitters.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 31, 2023, 09:09:19 AM
Styx said in his livestream (not the one Luci posted) that he will now only vote for Trump in 2024.  If Trump isn’t the nominee he won’t be voting for any other Republican, not even Rand Paul. The reason is that it will not matter.  Trump is the only person who is dedicated to opposing the corrupt Uniparty.  No one else has a chance to fight it and we will all be fucked anyway so who cares which party is in the White House.

I take that to mean he will not be voting for DeSantis (he likes Paul much better than DeSantis).  I will have to consider whether I will follow suit. Probably not, maybe the GOP will destroy us slightly more slowly. Maybe I can die before things get too bad.
He's fun to listen to, but he doesn't even live here full-time
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Jim Logajan on March 31, 2023, 09:16:38 AM
Styx said in his livestream (not the one Luci posted) that he will now only vote for Trump in 2024.  If Trump isn’t the nominee he won’t be voting for any other Republican, not even Rand Paul. The reason is that it will not matter.  Trump is the only person who is dedicated to opposing the corrupt Uniparty.  No one else has a chance to fight it and we will all be fucked anyway so who cares which party is in the White House.

I take that to mean he will not be voting for DeSantis (he likes Paul much better than DeSantis).  I will have to consider whether I will follow suit. Probably not, maybe the GOP will destroy us slightly more slowly. Maybe I can die before things get too bad.
That sheds light on Styx's overly emotional state but as a general action plan it is void of utility. The idea that Trump and only Trump can save the country is over the top insane, and I don't make that assertion lightly.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: jb1842 on March 31, 2023, 09:20:41 AM
The NRA Convention is in Indianapolis the 14-16th of April. Trump is scheduled to speak. If he still shows up, I may have to take a road trip and go see what he has to say.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Little Joe on March 31, 2023, 10:08:52 AM
Joe and Stan, how the hell is making a tepid statement avowing one’s non-action going to change anything about the illicit regime’s ongoing and now routine practice of arresting and incarcerating its political opponents or anyone who threatens to reveal their ACTUAL crimes?
How would you have him change New York's AG's actions?

And his refusal to assist the extradition is not just a passive non-action.  It is taking a stand, as best he can. for something that all Trump supporters want but cannot admit to because Trump has started calling DeSantis childish names.

It just seems to me that DeSantis cannot do or say anything that will satisfy members of the Trump cult, even when he says or does exactly what they want.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on March 31, 2023, 10:09:21 AM
Well that’s just fucking brilliant.

I will never, ever understand the quitter mindset.

These podcasters who think they are a modern day Nostradamus are no more skilled than you or I in predicting the future. I put Glen Beck in that same boat.

I had fucking cancer. I know the feeling of wanting to quit. When you realize that if you quit, you die, you realize quitting is never an option. Ever. Fuck quitters.

He didn’t say he was quitting. He might vote for an independent or third party, or write someone in.  He is not, and never claimed to be, a Republican.  Given how the GOP overall has utterly failed to do anything to stop the fascist takeover of this country, to not vote for them is a perfectly reasonable stance.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on March 31, 2023, 10:14:36 AM
How would you have him change New York's AG's actions?

And his refusal to assist the extradition is not just a passive non-action.  It is taking a stand, as best he can. for something that all Trump supporters want but cannot admit to because Trump has started calling DeSantis childish names.

It just seems to me that DeSantis cannot do or say anything that will satisfy members of the Trump cult, even when he says or does exactly what they want.

Since you’ve made yourself the DeSantis fanboy of the board, couldn’t we believe you are part of the “DeSantis Cult”?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Little Joe on March 31, 2023, 10:32:46 AM
Since you’ve made yourself the DeSantis fanboy of the board, couldn’t we believe you are part of the “DeSantis Cult”?
No, because I would actually prefer Nikki, and possibly a few others.  But I think they all have even less chance than Trump.  I'm promoting DeSantis, not because I am a sycophant but because I think he can win.  If I had any suspicion that trump could win the general, I would happily vote for him  Even if he can only give us 4 years.

The Trump cult consists of people that will vote for Trump even though they (should) know that they are sacrificing the election and will give us 4 more years of Biden/Harris.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on March 31, 2023, 10:56:09 AM
No, because I would actually prefer Nikki, and possibly a few others.  But I think they all have even less chance than Trump.  I'm promoting DeSantis, not because I am a sycophant but because I think he can win.  If I had any suspicion that trump could win the general, I would happily vote for him  Even if he can only give us 4 years.

The Trump cult consists of people that will vote for Trump even though they (should) know that they are sacrificing the election and will give us 4 more years of Biden/Harris.

False.  Voting for Trump is not “sacrificing the election”.  It’s going to be stolen even if DeSantis is the candidate.  Do you really think the Dems will allow DeSantis to win?  The racist, homophobic, transphobic, book banning Nazi?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on March 31, 2023, 11:09:22 AM
He didn’t say he was quitting. He might vote for an independent or third party, or write someone in.  He is not, and never claimed to be, a Republican.  Given how the GOP overall has utterly failed to do anything to stop the fascist takeover of this country, to not vote for them is a perfectly reasonable stance.
Not voting for a conservative candidate who’s last name is not Trump is giving up, and throwing the keys to the democrats in perpetuity. There’s literally no other way to look at it.

I feel the same about libertarians who throw their vote to someone who has zero chance of winning. But at least they are trying, regardless of how futile it may be.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on March 31, 2023, 11:20:35 AM
False.  Voting for Trump is not “sacrificing the election”.  It’s going to be stolen even if DeSantis is the candidate.  Do you really think the Dems will allow DeSantis to win?  The racist, homophobic, transphobic, book banning Nazi?
Saying no one can win is not addressing the question.

Neither I nor Joe believe Trump can win the general election. Why?  These are my reasons, not Joe’s:

1.  He will have the 1/3 of the Republican base tied up.

2.  He will never get a single dem vote like he did in 2016.

3.  He will not get the squishy but sizable independent vote in the middle due to his behavior post-Nov 2020, January 6, this indictment, and his overall dwelling on the past. I’m not saying those things aren’t bullshit, but the independents don’t think they are bullshit.

So he’s too polarized to get the voting blocks he got in 2016, and you can’t win an election with only 1/3rd of the electorate. (And yes, I understand the electoral college, but I think my hypothesis will hold true at the state level, not just national level.)

So why do YOU think he can win the general election?  I haven’t heard that articulated by anyone. 
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Little Joe on March 31, 2023, 11:29:03 AM
Saying no one can win is not addressing the question.

Neither I nor Joe believe Trump can win the general election. Why?  These are my reasons, not Joe’s:

1.  He will have the 1/3 of the Republican base tied up.

2.  He will never get a single dem vote like he did in 2016.

3.  He will not get the squishy but sizable independent vote in the middle due to his behavior post-Nov 2020, January 6, this indictment, and his overall dwelling on the past. I’m not saying those things aren’t bullshit, but the independents don’t think they are bullshit.

So he’s too polarized to get the voting blocks he got in 2016, and you can’t win an election with only 1/3rd of the electorate. (And yes, I understand the electoral college, but I think my hypothesis will hold true at the state level, not just national level.)
I concur with all of this.
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So why do YOU think he can win the general election?  I haven’t heard that articulated by anyone.
THAT is a question I have been meaning to ask too.  I guess if you are convinced you are going to lose regardless, voting for Trump is a statement.  But it is a statement saying that you have given up.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Number7 on March 31, 2023, 12:56:37 PM
Even the commie red washington post admits the indictment is political revenge.

https://redstate.com/jeffc/2023/03/31/even-the-washington-post-admits-the-case-against-trump-is-probably-bs-n724410
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on March 31, 2023, 06:39:26 PM
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1641950060337324033
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on March 31, 2023, 07:19:43 PM
I love all of this, but, we may not have a country in two more years. China is stepping up the process of making the Yuan the reserve currency as indicated by the recent China - Brazil deal on LNG. If they can swing that, the dollar goes to shit and we're on the way to begin done, more than we are already
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 03, 2023, 07:26:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CqYdKXm.png)
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 03, 2023, 07:52:12 AM
Not voting for a conservative candidate who’s last name is not Trump is giving up, and throwing the keys to the democrats in perpetuity. There’s literally no other way to look at it.

I feel the same about libertarians who throw their vote to someone who has zero chance of winning. But at least they are trying, regardless of how futile it may be.

Not voting…. last name not Trump, that’s a double negative. What you mean is voting FOR Trump is throwing it to the Dems.  Thanks for making me have to think.  ;)

I see it the other way around.  Not voting for Trump is giving the Dems exactly what they want.  Caving to their demands.  Why the hell do you want to do that!?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 03, 2023, 08:39:23 AM
Not voting for Trump is giving the Dems exactly what they want.  Caving to their demands.  Why the hell do you want to do that!?
Looks to me like your analysis basically allows others to dictate your decisions. I.e. "If they promote X I'll do NOT X."
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 03, 2023, 09:16:37 AM
Looks to me like your analysis basically allows others to dictate your decisions. I.e. "If they promote X I'll do NOT X."

I’m not following you.

I plan to vote for Trump.

The left indicts Trump because they don’t want him back in the WH.

I vote for Trump anyway because I’m not letting them change my mind.

How is that allowing them to dictate my decision?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Username on April 03, 2023, 09:25:56 AM
I'll vote for Trump in the primary.
If he loses the primary, I will vote for whatever Republican wins the primary.

Any Republican is better than all democrats.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Anthony on April 03, 2023, 11:06:20 AM
Well that’s just fucking brilliant.

I will never, ever understand the quitter mindset.

These podcasters who think they are a modern day Nostradamus are no more skilled than you or I in predicting the future. I put Glen Beck in that same boat.

I had fucking cancer. I know the feeling of wanting to quit. When you realize that if you quit, you die, you realize quitting is never an option. Ever. Fuck quitters.

I'm a quitter. If I could I'd quit this country. I want nothing to do with it anymore.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 03, 2023, 01:45:15 PM
I’m not following you.
You wrote "Not voting for Trump is giving the Dems exactly what they want." I couldn't see why you would articulate that reasoning if it had no part in your decision process.
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I plan to vote for Trump.
The left indicts Trump because they don’t want him back in the WH.
I vote for Trump anyway because I’m not letting them change my mind.
How is that allowing them to dictate my decision?
OK then.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 03, 2023, 02:28:58 PM
You wrote "Not voting for Trump is giving the Dems exactly what they want." I couldn't see why you would articulate that reasoning if it had no part in your decision process.OK then.

Perhaps you thought I was one of those leaning away from Trump because whatever reason - he’s being mean to DeSantis - and then went back because of the indictment.  In that case you would have been right.  No, I’ve always planned to stick with him unless he suffers a serious health event.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: President in Exile YOLT on April 03, 2023, 05:00:28 PM
I'm a quitter. If I could I'd quit this country. I want nothing to do with it anymore.

Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 03, 2023, 06:55:46 PM
Not voting…. last name not Trump, that’s a double negative. What you mean is voting FOR Trump is throwing it to the Dems.  Thanks for making me have to think.  ;)

I see it the other way around.  Not voting for Trump is giving the Dems exactly what they want.  Caving to their demands.  Why the hell do you want to do that!?
I think we need to clarify I was talking about the general election.

I sense that there are some people like Styx who will stay home on general Election Day if Trump is not the nominee.

If someone else (DeSantis or someone else) is the nominee, not voting for THAT person in the general would make someone an accomplice in handing the general election to the democrats.

As for your last paragraph, you could look at this both ways. I TOTALLY think the Dems want Trump to be the nominee, because they know they can beat him.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 03, 2023, 07:11:09 PM
I think we need to clarify I was talking about the general election.

I sense that there are some people like Styx who will stay home on general Election Day if Trump is not the nominee.

If someone else (DeSantis or someone else) is the nominee, not voting for THAT person in the general would make someone an accomplice in handing the general election to the democrats.

As for your last paragraph, you could look at this both ways. I TOTALLY think the Dems want Trump to be the nominee, because they know they can beat him.

Oh okay I see what you mean. You’re right, Styx said again today he won’t vote for anyone but Trump now.  He gave a very good argument why, at least from his point of view.

I’m not sure I agree the Dems want Trump to be the nominee.  I think they’re very afraid of him.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 03, 2023, 10:29:28 PM
I think we need to clarify I was talking about the general election.

I sense that there are some people like Styx who will stay home on general Election Day if Trump is not the nominee.

If someone else (DeSantis or someone else) is the nominee, not voting for THAT person in the general would make someone an accomplice in handing the general election to the democrats.

As for your last paragraph, you could look at this both ways. I TOTALLY think the Dems want Trump to be the nominee, because they know they can beat him anyone who runs against them.


FTFY
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Little Joe on April 04, 2023, 03:52:52 AM

FTFY
We have had that "will too" "will not" "will too"  "will not" "will too" "will not" "will too"  "will not" "will too" "will not" "will too"  "will not" . . .
argument so often is has become meaningless.

We will just have to wait to see what the election brings.  But if people (Rs)  don't vote because they think there is no chance, they are creating a self fulfilling prophesy, and RELINQUISHING THE ELECTION TO THE DEMS without a fight.

If people vote for Trump in the primary, and he wins, then we deserve whatever we get in the general.
And I'm very afraid this will happen because dems have learned that if they crossover in the primary and vote for the worst R, they can put him on the ballot then beat them in the general.

That is not cheating per se, but it is a vile, disgusting and legal tactic that has been proven to work (IMHO)
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 05:46:18 AM
We have had that "will too" "will not" "will too"  "will not" "will too" "will not" "will too"  "will not" "will too" "will not" "will too"  "will not" . . .
argument so often is has become meaningless.

We will just have to wait to see what the election brings.  But if people (Rs)  don't vote because they think there is no chance, they are creating a self fulfilling prophesy, and RELINQUISHING THE ELECTION TO THE DEMS without a fight.

If people vote for Trump in the primary, and he wins, then we deserve whatever we get in the general.
And I'm very afraid this will happen because dems have learned that if they crossover in the primary and vote for the worst R, they can put him on the ballot then beat them in the general.

That is not cheating per se, but it is a vile, disgusting and legal tactic that has been proven to work (IMHO)

Well I did it.  I registered as Democrat just to vote against the most vile candidate in the Dem primary.  Can’t remember when or who.  However that was just me, I wasn’t part of an organized widespread effort to, for example, visit campuses and convince thousands of mush minded students to do it.  That’s one of the most despicable things the left does, is recruit and brainwash the impressionable young before they mature enough to think critically (and the extreme right too for that matter, Hitler’s brown shirts or religious cults).

The problem with the idea that you’re relinquishing it to the Dems if you don’t vote for a not-Trump candidate is that the not-Trump Republican is part of the Uniparty anyway so there really is no difference.  We have all been saying for years that the only difference between the Dems and Reps is the Reps are pushing us to socialism slightly more slowly. 

Neither the Dems nor the Reps have done anything to reign in the alphabets (deep state).  At least Trump started limiting the damage by requiring reversing two regulations for every one new one.  At least he recognized the problem and attempted to openly address it.  He is the only one to consistently articulate the swamp as the core problem and to have not been sucked into it himself.  I have zero faith any other Republican won’t be drawn into the coven as soon as they get to DC and become all about protecting the coven as opposed to what’s good for you and me.  And that includes DeSantis. 

So what’s the use of voting for them?  Although I grant that if you are facing retirement like Stan says, maybe you will take the Republican slower march to disaster hoping you die before the final fall off the cliff.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Username on April 04, 2023, 07:44:43 AM
I trust Artificial Intelligence more than I trust democrats.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Anthony on April 04, 2023, 07:50:54 AM
I trust Artificial Intelligence more than I trust democrats.

And Establishment Republicans.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Number7 on April 04, 2023, 07:54:31 AM
I trust Artificial Intelligence more than I trust democrats.

I’d trust Howdy Doody before I’d trust a fucking democrat.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 08:45:56 AM
I trust Artificial Intelligence more than I trust democrats.

Democrats basically are AI but with lower IQ.  Malignant systems invasion without soul.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Anthony on April 04, 2023, 09:42:48 AM
Democrats basically are AI but with lower IQ.  Malignant systems invasion without soul.

The Borg. Pure Evil.
Title: The big problem I see in all this
Post by: Steingar on April 04, 2023, 09:50:06 AM
Trump is a citizen of the United States, and as such is not above the law.  At the same time he fully deserves its protections, including a speedy trial in front of a jury of his peers.  And that's where I see a big problem in all this.  Where on Earth are you going to find twelve men and woman who have never heard of this case and have no opinion on Trump?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 04, 2023, 09:55:27 AM
The question put to perspective jurors is whether or not you would be able to judge the case based on the presented evidence and not let prior knowledge and/or bias effect your decision.

Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 10:05:49 AM
The question put to perspective jurors is whether or not you would be able to judge the case based on the presented evidence and not let prior knowledge and/or bias effect your decision.

Bias is a foregone conclusion.  There can’t be anyone on the planet that believes that New York jury will not be biased.
Title: Re: The big problem I see in all this
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 10:07:11 AM
Trump is a citizen of the United States, and as such is not above the law.  At the same time he fully deserves its protections, including a speedy trial in front of a jury of his peers.  And that's where I see a big problem in all this.  Where on Earth are you going to find twelve men and woman who have never heard of this case and have no opinion on Trump?

Correct.
Title: Re: The big problem I see in all this
Post by: Little Joe on April 04, 2023, 10:10:49 AM
Trump is a citizen of the United States, and as such is not above the law.  At the same time he fully deserves its protections, including a speedy trial in front of a jury of his peers.  And that's where I see a big problem in all this.  Where on Earth are you going to find twelve men and woman who have never heard of this case and have no opinion on Trump?
My problem with all of this is that if it wasn't Trump, it would't even be on the court's radar at this point.  Much less, turning a misdemeanor into a whole bunch of felonies.  Now perhaps if he had beaten Stormy instead of bribed her, he wouldn't be in this issue because that AG has stated that he is not prosecuting violent crimes, just white collar crime.  (That's what I heard.  Prove me wrong or set me straight).
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 04, 2023, 10:46:50 AM

The problem with the idea that you’re relinquishing it to the Dems if you don’t vote for a not-Trump candidate is that the not-Trump Republican is part of the Uniparty anyway so there really is no difference.

I’ve got nothing. I appreciate your honesty, but if you think any Republican, especially someone as successful as DeSantis, is no different than Biden, Harris, or anyone else the socialists run, we’ve got little in common.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 11:11:15 AM
I’ve got nothing. I appreciate your honesty, but if you think any Republican, especially someone as successful as DeSantis, is no different than Biden, Harris, or anyone else the socialists run, we’ve got little in common.

Have the Republicans done anything in the last century to stop what’s happening now? 
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 04, 2023, 11:20:49 AM
again, the question is whether or not the jury can render a fair verdict inspite of the bias.

Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 04, 2023, 11:25:45 AM
Hey Michael, it seems as if Democrats are above the law.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Little Joe on April 04, 2023, 11:29:22 AM
Have the Republicans done anything in the last century to stop what’s happening now?
What does that have to do with DeSantis?
Can you point to anything he has done to warrant your charges?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Username on April 04, 2023, 11:39:48 AM
again, the question is whether or not the jury can render a fair verdict inspite of the bias.
Not a chance.  It's already rigged
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The daughter of the judge overseeing former President Donald Trump’s case worked on the Biden-Harris campaign, according to a report as well as an online search.

Judge Juan Merchan’s daughter is Loren Merchan, president and partner of Authentic Campaigns, a company that runs digital campaigns for Democrat candidates, according to Merchan’s archived LinkedIn account.

The company’s website has a testimonial from Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) which states, “We partner with our clients to build award-winning online programs for progressive campaigns.”

According to Merchan’s archived LinkedIn account, she worked as the “Director of Digital Persuasion” for “Kamala Harris For The People” from February 2019 through December 2019 — which was during the 2020 presidential election. And according to the company’s website, the “Biden-Harris” campaign was also a client.

Merchan’s LinkedIn account was disabled following a report by Gateway Pundit, which first reported on her work history.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Number7 on April 04, 2023, 11:54:37 AM
A democrat - any democrat - would NEVER stoop so low as to assign a compromised judge to pass judgement on the likely and
strongest opponent that the communist democrats will face in 20204....

never... never... never...

democrats make fidel, tito, and ho chi min seem like neophytes when to comes to corruption.
Title: Re: The big problem I see in all this
Post by: Steingar on April 04, 2023, 11:58:11 AM
My problem with all of this is that if it wasn't Trump, it would't even be on the court's radar at this point.  Much less, turning a misdemeanor into a whole bunch of felonies.  Now perhaps if he had beaten Stormy instead of bribed her, he wouldn't be in this issue because that AG has stated that he is not prosecuting violent crimes, just white collar crime.  (That's what I heard.  Prove me wrong or set me straight).

The problem is you're mixing in electoral politics, so it gets muddy. If it were Joe Blow, he or she'd not be making hush money payments as part of and electoral strategy.  And that's the rub. 

I actually have a rather dim view of the proceedings.  If this really were and exigent criminal matter, why wait 7 years after the fact?  These payments have been public knowledge for the better part of a decade.
Title: Re: The big problem I see in all this
Post by: Little Joe on April 04, 2023, 12:06:35 PM
The problem is you're mixing in electoral politics, so it gets muddy. If it were Joe Blow, he or she'd not be making hush money payments as part of and electoral strategy.  And that's the rub. 

How can you NOT mix in electoral politics.  This case is all about electoral politics.
The part where he made hush money payments is being construed as a campaign expense, and I believe that is what is supposed to be a misdemeanor.

If I had an affair with a porn star, I'm not sure if I'd pay hush money, or pay to have it advertised!  Otherwise, nobody would believe it.

I think it's amusing when I read that she was "an adult film actress". Nobody that has seen her videos would call it anything other than hard core porn.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: jb1842 on April 04, 2023, 12:20:04 PM
When is Bill getting indicted for paying off his sex assualt victims? When are all the people getting indicted for raping underage girls on Epstein's Island? Until those happen, this is nothing more than an attempt to keep a candidate off the ballot.
Title: Re: The big problem I see in all this
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2023, 12:29:12 PM
The problem is you're mixing in electoral politics, so it gets muddy. If it were Joe Blow, he or she'd not be making hush money payments as part of and electoral strategy.  And that's the rub. 

  No rub.  There was no "electoral strategy" (this is a made up term btw).   Trump is not an accountant.  He hires those to take care of his business.  Someone put the payment to the lawyer under the wrong category, which is not a crime.

  NDA's are not a crime.  Paying someone off to go away is not a crime.

  BTW, both BHO and Hillary were charged with campaign finance fines, with Obama's being the largest in history.  They were fines because it doesn't rise to the level of a "crime".

Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2023, 12:30:57 PM
When is Bill getting indicted for paying off his sex assualt victims? When are all the people getting indicted for raping underage girls on Epstein's Island? Until those happen, this is nothing more than an attempt to keep a candidate off the ballot.

  Bill Clinton has paid staggering sums of money to shut women up.  Hillary has sent goons to visit these women and physically threatened them (a felony).
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Steingar on April 04, 2023, 01:05:19 PM
Just read through the indictments.  There's an awful lot of Michael Cohen in there.  Don't know how well that's going to fly, him being a felon and all.  This doesn't look good at all.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Username on April 04, 2023, 01:24:14 PM
WOW!  The charges against him: "made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise".  Yep, that's it.  Get a rope and string him up.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2023, 01:27:32 PM
Just watched Bragg's news conference.

Embarrassing.    He needs to be disbarred.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 02:01:45 PM
What does that have to do with DeSantis?
Can you point to anything he has done to warrant your charges?

In a century there’s been one, ONE, Republican who has taken on the swamp. What are the statistical odds DeSantis is the second?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Little Joe on April 04, 2023, 02:04:07 PM
In a century there’s been one, ONE, Republican who has taken on the swamp. What are the statistical odds DeSantis is the second?
That is the weakest argument I have ever heard.
DeSantis has a record which I am proud of.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2023, 02:06:47 PM
That is the weakest argument I have ever heard.
DeSantis has a record which I am proud of.

  And you call Trump supporters a "cult"......  ::)
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 04, 2023, 02:07:41 PM
WOW!  The charges against him: "made and caused a false entry in the business records of an enterprise".  Yep, that's it.  Get a rope and string him up.

crucify him!

Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 02:14:03 PM
The problem is you're mixing in electoral politics, so it gets muddy. If it were Joe Blow, he or she'd not be making hush money payments as part of and electoral strategy.  And that's the rub. 

I actually have a rather dim view of the proceedings.  If this really were and exigent criminal matter, why wait 7 years after the fact?  These payments have been public knowledge for the better part of a decade.

Just read through the indictments.  There's an awful lot of Michael Cohen in there.  Don't know how well that's going to fly, him being a felon and all.  This doesn't look good at all.

Yep, you’ve got a handle on it.  The DOJ and everyone else had already considered this matter and decided there was no case. Bragg had campaigned specifically on getting Trump.  That he is going back to this matter, after, like you said, everybody’s known about it for 7 years, shows just how weak it is and that there’s nothing better Bragg can go after him for.

And Michael Cohen is the heart of the case.  He is a known liar.  When he was suicidal under threat of prison he had repeatedly said that he would do anything not to go to prison for even one day. He’d throw his own grandmother under the bus. He has no credibility at all as a witness.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 02:15:20 PM
That is the weakest argument I have ever heard.
DeSantis has a record which I am proud of.

And right you should be, as Governor of FL he’s great.  What’s that got to do with draining the DC swamp?
Title: Re: The big problem I see in all this
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 02:22:08 PM
How can you NOT mix in electoral politics.  This case is all about electoral politics.
The part where he made hush money payments is being construed as a campaign expense, and I believe that is what is supposed to be a misdemeanor.

If I had an affair with a porn star, I'm not sure if I'd pay hush money, or pay to have it advertised!  Otherwise, nobody would believe it.

Haha!  I don’t know what the big deal is.  I assume all the alpha male politicians diddle all the women they can.  So what.

Quote
I think it's amusing when I read that she was "an adult film actress". Nobody that has seen her videos would call it anything other than hard core porn.

The only porn star that can plausibly be called an “actress” was Georgina Spelvin. 
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 04, 2023, 02:26:11 PM
Have the Republicans done anything in the last century to stop what’s happening now?
Yes, actually. A number of Republican governors have signed pro-conservative bills from school choice to voter integrity, for example.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Number7 on April 04, 2023, 02:31:40 PM
michael cohen is a convicted lawyer who committed perjury among other felonies.

The fucking whore signed a sworn affidavit claiming that she never received hush money.

alvin fuckwad bragg is george soros’ bitch, plain and simple. He is doing what his communist masters told him to.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Number7 on April 04, 2023, 02:34:06 PM
The federal appeals court awarded President Donald Trump $122,000 in attorney fees TODAY from the whore case where cohen lied out his ass and went to prison for that and other crimes.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/just-in-federal-appeals-court-awards-trump-additional-122000-in-attorney-fees-from-stormy-daniels/
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 02:50:40 PM
Yes, actually. A number of Republican governors have signed pro-conservative bills from school choice to voter integrity, for example.

I’m talking about at the federal level.  Shrinking the federal government.  Reversing its power.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Little Joe on April 04, 2023, 03:01:11 PM
I’m talking about at the federal level.  Shrinking the federal government.  Reversing its power.
How can you do anything to change the Federal Government until you become part of the Federal government.
Yes, you can vote, but so can almost every other adult.

You cannot ever convince me that Trump is the only person in the entire fucking country that can do good things at the Federal level.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 03:14:13 PM
How can you do anything to change the Federal Government until you become part of the Federal government.
Yes, you can vote, but so can almost every other adult.

You cannot ever convince me that Trump is the only person in the entire fucking country that can do good things at the Federal level.

Merely doing some good things is not going to save us now. We need a destroyer. Someone to go in and clean house. I’m not sure it can be done.  I’m not even sure Trump can do it at this point.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 04, 2023, 03:33:23 PM
Merely doing some good things is not going to save us now. We need a destroyer. Someone to go in and clean house. I’m not sure it can be done.  I’m not even sure Trump can do it at this point.

Only one man can save us now!

King of the impossible
He's for ev'ry one of us
Stand for ev'ry one of us
He'll save with a mighty hand
Ev'ry man ev'ry woman ev'ry child
With a mighty Flash

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/87/85/85/878585f75a6f22c54f6e5a27ea019618.gif)
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 04, 2023, 04:11:57 PM
I’m talking about at the federal level.  Shrinking the federal government.  Reversing its power.
And THAT cannot ever be done without a conservative in the Oval office. History has shown that the best presidents are those with executive experience, which means governors or private sector in the case of Trump.

A GOP Senate and GOP House would be powerless to shrink the Executive branch without a GOP president.

The future of this country does not rest with a single man.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 04, 2023, 04:13:47 PM
How can you do anything to change the Federal Government until you become part of the Federal government.
Yes, you can vote, but so can almost every other adult.

You cannot ever convince me that Trump is the only person in the entire fucking country that can do good things at the Federal level.
Just read this. You beat me to it.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Anthony on April 04, 2023, 04:18:55 PM
Merely doing some good things is not going to save us now. We need a destroyer. Someone to go in and clean house. I’m not sure it can be done.  I’m not even sure Trump can do it at this point.

Neither am I. They will JFK him if he is having success. I like DeSantis.  He just signed Constitutional Carry. The focus needs to be on the States with the good ones seceding. The Feds are a Fascist lost cause. Not saying I prefer DeSantis over Trump but the States need to start aligning and seceding en masse. Cut off the Feds at the knees.

The Feds are the new British Royalty screaming we must preserve Democracy. They just want to preserve power, control, consolidate wealth and further subjugate us.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2023, 04:25:39 PM

A GOP Senate and GOP House would be powerless to shrink the Executive branch without a GOP president.


  When Trump took office, he had a GOP senate and a GOP house.   And who fought him every step of the way for the first two years?

  The GOP is dead.  The RNC is dead.   They are both slaves to the UniParty.   We just watched the newly elected GOP House fight over installing an establishment politician as Speaker.    All republicans except for 20 were just fine putting the establishment guy in.

  And just before that, we watched the GOP senate sell all of us out with a god awful pathetic fucking excuse of a budget bill so the Turtle could sabotage the new incoming congress on the budget.

  I'm done with the establishment types and the RINO's. 
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 04:32:26 PM
  When Trump took office, he had a GOP senate and a GOP house.   And who fought him every step of the way for the first two years?

  The GOP is dead.  The RNC is dead.   They are both slaves to the UniParty.   We just watched the newly elected GOP House fight over installing an establishment politician as Speaker.    All republicans except for 20 were just fine putting the establishment guy in.

  And just before that, we watched the GOP senate sell all of us out with a god awful pathetic fucking excuse of a budget bill so the Turtle could sabotage the new incoming congress on the budget.

  I'm done with the establishment types and the RINO's.

And this is exactly my point.  Yes there are a few MAGA Republicans.  But is there one who is self funded? A multi billionaire who doesn’t need donors?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 05:17:22 PM
I'm just going to chill and do this.  Whiskey and whiskey flavored chocolate.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 04, 2023, 05:37:40 PM
  When Trump took office, he had a GOP senate and a GOP house.   And who fought him every step of the way for the first two years?

  The GOP is dead.  The RNC is dead.   They are both slaves to the UniParty.   We just watched the newly elected GOP House fight over installing an establishment politician as Speaker.    All republicans except for 20 were just fine putting the establishment guy in.

  And just before that, we watched the GOP senate sell all of us out with a god awful pathetic fucking excuse of a budget bill so the Turtle could sabotage the new incoming congress on the budget.

  I'm done with the establishment types and the RINO's.
So how do you think a 2nd term Donald Trump will get cooperation from the Republicans when he couldn’t get cooperation in 2017-2021?  Do you think that situation will improve, or decline?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 04, 2023, 05:38:25 PM
I'm just going to chill and do this.  Whiskey and whiskey flavored chocolate.
Excellent call.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 04, 2023, 05:49:35 PM
Someone tell me what the plan is for clearing out all the entrenched bureaucrats at all levels of Government organizations.  With all of these bills written where everything is up to the discretion of the Secretary, I don't see what a President can do anymore.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 04, 2023, 05:50:32 PM
So how do you think a 2nd term Donald Trump will get cooperation from the Republicans when he couldn’t get cooperation in 2017-2021?  Do you think that situation will improve, or decline?

Am I to understand that you believe the RINOs have not, did not, and will not cooperate with President Trump JUST BECAUSE HE IS WHO HE IS?

And that they WOULD cooperate with some other Republican President if magically fraud didn’t happen to prevent another R President ever?

Face it, the UniParty will NEVER allow patriot politicians to stop the Uniparty gravy train OR drain the swamp, OR do the people’s work OR strengthen our country’s borders or military OR fight the woke plague.

Rush’s point is that President Trump tried, and look how he was abused and subjected to vitriolic attacks and look where he is TODAY, April 4, 2023.

They’ll eviscerate and attack anyone who tries again.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2023, 06:24:02 PM
So how do you think a 2nd term Donald Trump will get cooperation from the Republicans when he couldn’t get cooperation in 2017-2021?  Do you think that situation will improve, or decline?

  The 2024 campaign has been decided.   There still are no plans to overcome the vote fraud.  Pure electoral numbers give it to the democrat communist.

  Gavin Newsom is giddy.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 04, 2023, 06:25:42 PM
  The 2024 campaign has been decided.   There still are no plans to overcome the vote fraud.  Pure electoral numbers give it to the democrat communist.

  Gavin Newsom is giddy.

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1643076011364618240

Does anybody think those three states won’t cheat the Dem in?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2023, 06:32:37 PM
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1643076011364618240

Does anybody think those three states won’t cheat the Dem in?

Interesting.   Thanks
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 04, 2023, 06:32:44 PM
Am I to understand that you believe the RINOs have not, did not, and will not cooperate with President Trump JUST BECAUSE HE IS WHO HE IS?

And that they WOULD cooperate with some other Republican President if magically fraud didn’t happen to prevent another R President ever?

Face it, the UniParty will NEVER allow patriot politicians to stop the Uniparty gravy train OR drain the swamp, OR do the people’s work OR strengthen our country’s borders or military OR fight the woke plague.

Rush’s point is that President Trump tried, and look how he was abused and subjected to vitriolic attacks and look where he is TODAY, April 4, 2023.

They’ll eviscerate and attack anyone who tries again.
Yes, I do believe that Becky.  It may not happen, but Trump attracts vitriol and hated like flies are drab to shit.  I’ve never seen that before in my life.

Ronald Reagan took a literal beating with the democrats and the media. He was fought every step of the way, the media ridiculed and caricatured him since the moment he walking into the Oval Office. He was brutalized.

So what happened?  He used the art of persuasion to win over not the democrats and the media, but the American people. Reagan had a Democratic House for all 8 years. In fact the democrats held the house for I think 52 straight years. 

Yet Reagan did win over the only group that mattered. The American people. In his 1984 reelection, after 4 years of being bludgeoned, he won one of the largest landslide victories ever. He carried 49 states, 525 electoral votes, and 59% of the popular vote.

The next Reagan may be out there. But he has to get elected. What I know with certainty is that Trump will never win a general election, and if he is nominated, we will have democrat rule maybe forever.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 04, 2023, 06:47:31 PM
Currently looking like the Democrat is going to be the SC judge in WI and the progressive will be Mayor of Chicago.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2023, 06:50:42 PM
Yes, I do believe that Becky.  It may not happen, but Trump attracts vitriol and hated like flies are drab to shit.  I’ve never seen that before in my life.

Ronald Reagan took a literal beating with the democrats and the media. He was fought every step of the way, the media ridiculed and caricatured him since the moment he walking into the Oval Office. He was brutalized.

So what happened?  He used the art of persuasion to win over not the democrats and the media, but the American people. Reagan had a Democratic House for all 8 years. In fact the democrats held the house for I think 52 straight years. 

Yet Reagan did win over the only group that mattered. The American people. In his 1984 reelection, after 4 years of being bludgeoned, he won one of the largest landslide victories ever. He carried 49 states, 525 electoral votes, and 59% of the popular vote.

The next Reagan may be out there. But he has to get elected. What I know with certainty is that Trump will never win a general election, and if he is nominated, we will have democrat rule maybe forever.

   Welcome to 2023.

    The democrat party is gone.  It's now been hijacked by far left radicals intent on taking the country down.  From the 1960's the radicals have all been saying over and over, tear down the system and rebuild it to their liking.

  Wonder where the phrase "Build Back Better" comes from?

  Find the Tucker Carlson segment from tonight where Victor Davis Hansen comes on.   He summed it up.  The democrat party is gone.   The radicals have taken over.   He further said "We are undergoing a tyrannical revolution and no one is noticing it" (paraphrased)

  The only way out of this mess is secession.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 04, 2023, 06:56:45 PM
... The focus needs to be on the States with the good ones seceding. ...

interesting typo... at least I think it's a typo.

(couldn't resist - I now return you to the back-and-forth...)
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 04, 2023, 07:08:03 PM
And the SC has flipped in WI
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 04, 2023, 07:37:56 PM
And the SC has flipped in WI

I'm shocked
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Number7 on April 04, 2023, 07:41:36 PM
And the SC has flipped in WI

The communist party (democrats) learned from their hero, old joe stalin that it only matters that those counting the votes be under their control. The rest they can steal.

The Fucking low life democrats are the excrement of our world.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 04, 2023, 07:59:52 PM
And the SC has flipped in WI
I’m disgusted. 45 million was spent on this race, and the Dems were over 92% out of state. At least 35 of the 45 was for the dem. Probably more at this point.

My wife sent out text messages at the WI GOP for the last two weeks. My buddy flew the conservative judge around the state on Saturday and Monday, and got doxxed for it by the media.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: elwood blues on April 04, 2023, 08:56:58 PM
So how do you think a 2nd term Donald Trump will get cooperation from the Republicans when he couldn’t get cooperation in 2017-2021?  Do you think that situation will improve, or decline?

But you are absolutely convinced that if DeSantis becomes president all the republicans will suddenly line up and bow down to him, he'll get everything done he wanted to do, and we'll have rainbows and unicorns and everyone will be happy.  Is that right?

Don't get me wrong, I like DeSantis, but the idea that Washington is going to fix itself, if we just get the right people in!, is fantasy.

No, we are not giving up, as you say, but we recognize and understand that the way we used to do things don't apply anymore -- a concept that you don't seem or want to grasp.  The republic is gone, with Alvin Bragg driving the last nail in the coffin, and it's not coming back until the left is destroyed.

In answer to your question, yes I think it will improve -- after they are beaten down.  The only mistake Trump made was in thinking that after the 2016 election, the country would come together as it always had, but those days are gone.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2023, 01:18:25 AM
Currently looking like the Democrat is going to be the SC judge in WI and the progressive will be Mayor of Chicago.

Well fuck I wake up at 3 am to this news.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2023, 01:56:11 AM
https://twitter.com/MAGAIncWarRoom/status/1643354186837270534?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1643354186837270534%7Ctwgr%5Eb938d77f2091c87aac69cb7fc615bc09894d1a46%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fcitizenfreepress.com%2Fbreaking%2Fjohn-botlon-gives-blistering-takedown-of-alvin-braggs-case%2F
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2023, 02:08:43 AM
https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1643076011364618240

Does anybody think those three states won’t cheat the Dem in?

I went back and looked this over, and it's flawed logic.

There's no way (currently) that republicans can win those 3 states (GA, WI and AZ).  AZ just had a massive cheating election in 2022 and now has the regime firmly embedded.   GA and WI still have voting issues (check yesterdays WI election).
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2023, 02:14:16 AM
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I hear two theories.  Which do you think is correct? 

1. They are terrified of Trump and don’t want him elected, so are trying to cripple his campaign by hampering him with this legal nonsense.  They are trying to damage his reputation and they believe fewer people will vote for him because now he is tainted by felony charges.

2. They want Trump to win the primary because they believe he is less electable than any opposition nominee.  Biden (or whoever) can beat Trump more easily than they could beat DeSantis.  In fact they are more afraid of DeSantis.  They know that Trump will actually get more support because of this attack.

Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2023, 02:28:09 AM
I went back and looked this over, and it's flawed logic.

There's no way (currently) that republicans can win those 3 states (GA, WI and AZ).  AZ just had a massive cheating election in 2022 and now has the regime firmly embedded.   GA and WI still have voting issues (check yesterdays WI election).

That is exactly what I think. Those three states are lost.  They actually have a Republican majority but the sick, corrupt cities have codified the cheating irreparably.  The only possible way a Republican can win in 2024 is if several of the states they showed blue have enough of a red wave to overcome those three.  I don’t think that’s possible with the hard ideological and cultural divide in this country.  You would need a significant number of Democrats to switch.  We can never again have a red wave like Reagan got. 

I guess maybe there’s an outside chance.  The Dems might be overplaying badly with all the trans stuff.  I hear it’s not going over well among blacks, and hopefully among other religious conservative Democrats such as Hispanic Catholics. But let’s say you have a massive black and Hispanic switch to Republican. To the extent they live in cities, the cheating will erase their votes.  The disenfranchisement of minorities is actually being done by the left, not by the right requiring ID to vote.

2024 will tell us for certain if elections are now sham and out of the hands of the people and hence the republic is lost.  Our fate was probably sealed with the pandemic (opened Pandora’s box to mail in cheating) most people just don’t know it yet.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2023, 02:45:35 AM
It’s either secession or this.

Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2023, 03:00:33 AM
I hear two theories.  Which do you think is correct? 

1. They are terrified of Trump and don’t want him elected, so are trying to cripple his campaign by hampering him with this legal nonsense.  They are trying to damage his reputation and they believe fewer people will vote for him because now he is tainted by felony charges.

2. They want Trump to win the primary because they believe he is less electable than any opposition nominee.  Biden (or whoever) can beat Trump more easily than they could beat DeSantis.  In fact they are more afraid of DeSantis.  They know that Trump will actually get more support because of this attack.

  1.

   They (communist) don't fear DeSantis.   
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Anthony on April 05, 2023, 03:48:59 AM
Well fuck I wake up at 3 am to this news.

Our cities and cities worldwide are lost to the Fascists. Due to their growing unsafe environment, the urbanites that vote for the corruption and Fascism are moving out to the suburbs and ex-burbs and have corrupted them. My county is a prime example of this fact, but it's happening all over the country.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Little Joe on April 05, 2023, 04:06:19 AM
But you are absolutely convinced that if DeSantis becomes president all the republicans will suddenly line up and bow down to him, he'll get everything done he wanted to do, and we'll have rainbows and unicorns and everyone will be happy.  Is that right?

I don't think that, and I don't think I ever heard anyone else say that.

But I do think that having DeSantis as President will be better than having ANY Democrat as President, which I am convinced will happen (D ro President)  if Trump gets the Republican nomination.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 05, 2023, 05:25:23 AM
Y'all are having trouble grasping the concept that the country is lost now. We're sending out military hardware to Ukraine as well as our money. The oil producers are thumbing their nose at us and driving up prices. The U.S. dollar is losing its status as the world's reserve currency. It's been a good run, but it's all over now.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2023, 05:39:18 AM
Y'all are having trouble grasping the concept that the country is lost now. We're sending out military hardware to Ukraine as well as our money. The oil producers are thumbing their nose at us and driving up prices. The U.S. dollar is losing its status as the world's reserve currency. It's been a good run, but it's all over now.

Trump brought it back in 2016.  He could do it again, but he won’t be elected because elections are now completely controlled by the Uniparty.  No I didn’t say Dems.  The GOP was largely responsible for the 2022 red trickle.  The Dems and RINOS will never allow Trump or any true patriot if the people to come to power again.  If a Republican is ever elected president it will be a RINO but I doubt even that will happen.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 05, 2023, 07:03:39 AM
But you are absolutely convinced that if DeSantis becomes president all the republicans will suddenly line up and bow down to him, he'll get everything done he wanted to do, and we'll have rainbows and unicorns and everyone will be happy.  Is that right?

Don't get me wrong, I like DeSantis, but the idea that Washington is going to fix itself, if we just get the right people in!, is fantasy.

No, we are not giving up, as you say, but we recognize and understand that the way we used to do things don't apply anymore -- a concept that you don't seem or want to grasp.  The republic is gone, with Alvin Bragg driving the last nail in the coffin, and it's not coming back until the left is destroyed.

In answer to your question, yes I think it will improve -- after they are beaten down.  The only mistake Trump made was in thinking that after the 2016 election, the country would come together as it always had, but those days are gone.
If you think I’m not aware of these things, you haven’t been paying attention. But I’m not going sit around and pout, naval gaze, and throw in the cards like a lot of people here.

Will DeSantis be accepted in the DC bubble?  I have no idea.  Will Trump ever get one ounce of cooperation in the DC bubble?  You’re naive if you think he can get anything accomplished.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2023, 07:23:18 AM
If you think I’m not aware of these things, you haven’t been paying attention. But I’m not going sit around and pout, naval gaze, and throw in the cards like a lot of people here.

Will DeSantis be accepted in the DC bubble?  I have no idea.  Will Trump ever get one ounce of cooperation in the DC bubble?  You’re naive if you think he can get anything accomplished.

I’m not throwing in the cards. I said Styx said he isn’t voting for a R if it’s not Trump, I didn’t say I wouldn’t.  Only that I understand Styx’s reasoning.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 05, 2023, 07:32:44 AM
I went back and looked this over, and it's flawed logic.

There's no way (currently) that republicans can win those 3 states (GA, WI and AZ).  AZ just had a massive cheating election in 2022 and now has the regime firmly embedded.   GA and WI still have voting issues (check yesterdays WI election).
We’re still doing a debrief on our awful election results yesterday, but here’s a synopsis:

1.  The dem candidate pulled a Biden and didn’t campaign. She is a horrific candidate - domestic abuser, soft on crime, democrat activist, and dictated she will advocate for abortion, “fixing” congressional districts, etc.

2.  Kelly lost by 200,000 votes. Cheating wasn’t necessary.

3.  $45MM spent on the race, and probably $35MM of national democrat money.

4.  No help from Rona McDaniels or Donald Trump; meanwhile Obama hit this state and national democrats knew it could ultimately flip congressional seats.

5.  Zero evidence that Trump’s indictment will energize the GOP base to vote.

6.  Wisconsin apparently loves killing babies. Wisconsin has an 1849 law prohibiting abortions. No matter how much the GOP legislature “compromises” on an abortion bill, the democrat governor will veto it so as to keep abortion as THE wedge issue in 2024, 2026, 2028 and beyond as long as it helps them.

7.  Republicans ran a 50-year old white guy. Again, after losing two years ago. We will never learn.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2023, 07:55:13 AM
We’re still doing a debrief on our awful election results yesterday, but here’s a synopsis:

1.  The dem candidate pulled a Biden and didn’t campaign. She is a horrific candidate - domestic abuser, soft on crime, democrat activist, and dictated she will advocate for abortion, “fixing” congressional districts, etc.

2.  Kelly lost by 200,000 votes. Cheating wasn’t necessary.

3.  $45MM spent on the race, and probably $35MM of national democrat money.

4.  No help from Rona McDaniels or Donald Trump; meanwhile Obama hit this state and national democrats knew it could ultimately flip congressional seats.

5.  Zero evidence that Trump’s indictment will energize the GOP base to vote.

6.  Wisconsin apparently loves killing babies. Wisconsin has an 1849 law prohibiting abortions. No matter how much the GOP legislature “compromises” on an abortion bill, the democrat governor will veto it so as to keep abortion as THE wedge issue in 2024, 2026, 2028 and beyond as long as it helps them.

7.  Republicans ran a 50-year old white guy. Again, after losing two years ago. We will never learn.

    Just another example of how fucked up the republican party has become.

    Ronna McLoser only helps those who are establishment types.   No others need apply.   And she has a terrible record, this is why they keep her.

    The democrats are unified, and goal orientated.   The republicans keep going back to their establishment cronies, who offer no new thinking, and get campaign advice from them.    I wanna puke every time I see Karl Rove yapping about elections.

   
Title: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 05, 2023, 11:47:17 AM
I’m not throwing in the cards. I said Styx said he isn’t voting for a R if it’s not Trump, I didn’t say I wouldn’t.  Only that I understand Styx’s reasoning.
Maybe not you, but there are people here who are saying it’s all over, nothing can be done.

Since I’m not ready to murder my family and commit suicide, which seems to be the only logical solution for lucifer and now Eppy, I’ve got to live in this country, and try to make it livable for my daughter.

The difference between Joe and I vs everyone else who sounds like they are throwing in the towel is that I would vote for Trump 100% if he wins the nomination. It floors me people may follow the Styx model.

By the way, for people talking about playing into the democrats hands, THAT is playing into their hands.

Democrats don’t pout.  Democrats don’t stay home. Democrats dong wring their hands if their guy doesn’t win the primary.

Democrats vote for ideology. We vote for the personality. Who’s winning?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2023, 01:08:41 PM
Maybe not you, but there are people here who are saying it’s all over, nothing can be done.

Since I’m not ready to murder my family and commit suicide, which seems to be the only logical solution for lucifer and now Eppy, I’ve got to live in this country, and try to make it livable for my daughter.

The difference between Joe and I vs everyone else who sounds like they are throwing in the towel is that I would vote for Trump 100% if he wins the nomination. It floors me people may follow the Styx model.

By the way, for people talking about playing into the democrats hands, THAT is playing into their hands.

Democrats don’t pout.  Democrats don’t stay home. Democrats dong wring their hands if their guy doesn’t win the primary.

Democrats vote for ideology. We vote for the personality. Who’s winning?


   And once again, you are reading this wrong.

  I speak in reality.  I Analize what's going on around using reality. 

  I've stated before, I'm not sure who wins the republican nomination.  And neither does anyone here.   I have never stated I wouldn't support whoever that candidate is. 

  Look at your own state.  With last night's disaster, do you think any republican has a chance there in the general?   The RNC, the GOP turned their backs on WI on this election.  Why?   

  I'm still waiting for the republicans to fight back.  They aren't.  I'm so fuckin' sick and tired of hearing "we have to be better than that" and "we have to take the high road" while they are losing left and right.  Right now, there should be Biden family members being indicted.  Right now there should be an army of republican lawyers working the battleground states preparing for 2024.

  What do we get instead?  Karl Fuckin' Rove and his ilk going on the talk shows with useless statistics analyzing why they think voters aren't supporting them.  And their solutions are laughable, but those solutions entail spending millions on consultants and marketing.   And gee, who makes up those consultants and marketing?    It's a business, nothing more. 

  Each election cycle they gin up millions of dollars, spread it out among their colleagues and when they don't win, they go on TV and the media and blame someone else.   Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

  I can't think of a better example to what I've been talking about than what you witnessed last night in Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Anthony on April 05, 2023, 01:31:27 PM
Maybe not you, but there are people here who are saying it’s all over, nothing can be done.

Since I’m not ready to murder my family and commit suicide, which seems to be the only logical solution for lucifer and now Eppy, I’ve got to live in this country, and try to make it livable for my daughter.

The difference between Joe and I vs everyone else who sounds like they are throwing in the towel is that I would vote for Trump 100% if he wins the nomination. It floors me people may follow the Styx model.

By the way, for people talking about playing into the democrats hands, THAT is playing into their hands.

Democrats don’t pout.  Democrats don’t stay home. Democrats dong wring their hands if their guy doesn’t win the primary.

Democrats vote for ideology. We vote for the personality. Who’s winning?

Nothing can be done using the Traditional and Constitutional means we used to do things. The politicians of both parties are largely corrupt.  The voting process is corrupt. The courts are largely compromised.  Government is now a weaponized, overly powerful, fearless controlling entity. Corporations are complicit with the weaponization and are now part of the Fascist state we've created.

So what would you recommend that could actually work?  Supporting and voting for Republicans doesn't work. Giving money and time to them is POINTLESS. Our political system is now pointless.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 05, 2023, 02:10:19 PM
Everyone in my family, with the exception of my oldest son, is on the left. They're getting the Government they believe they want. My hope is it doesn't go to total shit while I'm still alive. At this point there is nothing I can do to change the direction. The die is cast, the Democrats have figured out how to gain control of everything. Corporations are bowing down to the Government now also. Covid vaccines will, likely, never get full approval and have made the pharmas tons of money.  Major corporations now going woke on a regular basis will only make it harder to right the ship.  Look at Chicago, Vallas was up in the polls and lost. Do we think that election was on the up and up?  Which states are we to count on to bring an electoral college win for an Republican?  What is your plan to stop China at this point?  Middle East cutting oil production to put the screws to us and Biden has already sold off nearly all of the strategic reserve with no immediate plan to refill it.  Proposed budget of nearly $7T with budget deficits as far as the eye can see racking up more and more debt to be paid back at higher and higher interest rates.  How long before we pay $1T a year in interest alone?  No one interested in stopping the free flow of money from the Fed. We have no idea how much money the Fed is pumping into banks right no to keep them from failing.  You don't think they're going to let anymore banks fail, do you?  That would look bad for Biden and he couldn't look much worse.
Somehow folks think that Trump can get elected and fix it all.  I post about Ramaswamy and everyone goes, "I don't know, he has no track record, just talks about stuff"  What track record did Trump have?  Why did Trump sign all of those spending bills sending the debt skyrocketing?  Why didn't he "drain the swamp" Stan is right, I see no future for this country. The only one currently fighting hard is Kari Lake in Arizona. The courts are working hard to keep her beat down. Time will tell and maybe I'll be proven wrong, we'll see.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: EppyGA - White Christian Domestic Terrorist on April 05, 2023, 02:25:15 PM
Let's add in the fact that the main stream media and many social networking sites do nothing but gas light on a daily basis. The folks that watch those outlets never get the truth, they always get the left leaning manufactured news (propaganda). Many, many more people tune in to ABC, NBC, CBS alone than will ever tune in to FoxNEWS, OAN or NewsMAX. OAN nor NewsMAX is carried on my streaming service.  How do you plan to stop that from happening?
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2023, 02:40:22 PM
You’re not wrong.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2023, 05:22:47 PM
Interesting enough, Trump holds a +26.2 average over DeSantis in polling as of today, 4/5/23.

Yet the MSM keeps harping how everyone is abandoning Trump.  ::)
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 05, 2023, 05:24:33 PM
Interesting enough, Trump holds a +26.2 average over DeSantis in polling as of today, 4/5/23.

Yet the MSM keeps harping how everyone is abandoning Trump.  ::)
Well, DeSantis hasn’t declared he’s a candidate, so I don’t put much weight in that.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2023, 05:26:06 PM
We are witnessing in real time the collapse of our republic.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2023, 05:29:49 PM
Well, DeSantis hasn’t declared he’s a candidate, so I don’t put much weight in that.

  He hasn't declared, but who are we kidding?   He has 4 super PACs now raising money for a presidential campaign, he's on a "book tour" which sure looks like campaign stops, etc.

  He hasn't appealed to a national audience yet, that's true.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2023, 05:30:31 PM
We are witnessing in real time the collapse of our republic.

 Victor Davis Hansen has been saying this as well.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 05, 2023, 05:31:39 PM
Notice anything here?    ABC news.

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/text-for-biden-and-trump-abc-news-1200x630.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 05, 2023, 06:14:22 PM
Let's add in the fact that the main stream media and many social networking sites do nothing but gas light on a daily basis. The folks that watch those outlets never get the truth, they always get the left leaning manufactured news (propaganda). Many, many more people tune in to ABC, NBC, CBS alone than will ever tune in to FoxNEWS, OAN or NewsMAX. OAN nor NewsMAX is carried on my streaming service.  How do you plan to stop that from happening?
Is this gaslighting on a daily basis?  I saw this on Tucker tonight by a pro-Trump PAC:

https://youtu.be/WV3tgOiInMY
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 05, 2023, 06:51:31 PM
Victor Davis Hansen has been saying this as well.

It’s even worse than that. We are witnessing the decay of human relationships and the specter of extinction and not from “climate change”.  From the eradication of sexual reproduction.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Number7 on April 05, 2023, 08:02:00 PM
Well, DeSantis hasn’t declared he’s a candidate, so I don’t put much weight in that.

DeSantis CAN’T declare until and unless the State passes the exemption/repeal of the resign to run law.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 05, 2023, 08:23:16 PM
DeSantis CAN’T declare until and unless the State passes the exemption/repeal of the resign to run law.
I’m aware of that, and thus the reason why he hasn’t reached out to the public to raise his public profile and poll ratings.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 06, 2023, 04:26:32 PM
https://amgreatness.com/2023/04/05/our-french-revolution/

Our French Revolution

America now has three potential futures and two are bad.


Quote
We are in a Jacobin Revolution of the sort that in 1793-94 nearly destroyed France. And things are getting scary.

The Democratic Party vanished sometime in 2020.

It was absorbed by hard-left ideologues. They were bent on radically altering, or hijacking, existing institutions to force radical, equality-of-result agendas that otherwise do not earn majority support.

The American people want affordable power and fuel and energy autonomy. They do not want a Green New Deal that results in dependence on the Middle East.

They want fiscal sobriety, not a permanent stagflationary economy marked by bank failures, soaring interest rates, crony capitalism, and subsidies for those who choose not to work.

They know no country can exist without a border, much less while offering blank checks to foreign cartels that kill 100,000 Americans yearly.

They demand realist deterrence abroad, not the current woke military whose erosion is spelling the end American credibility and global stability.

Racialists are eerily embracing discredited Neo-Confederate notions of racial chauvinism, discrimination, segregation, and the old-one-drop rule of racial obsession. They are turning America toward a Balkanized war-of-all-against-all.

To implement such an unpopular program, the new Left must radically alter our institutions.

So the “Democrats” periodically threaten to pack the courts, end the filibuster, destroy the Electoral College, and override the states’ prerogatives to establish balloting laws.

They deny the committee assignments of the House minority leader. They engage in stunts like tearing up the State of the Union address on national television. With impunity they mob the homes of Supreme Court justices to leverage their decisions.

This revolution is run by elites and is a top-down operation.

University deans all but prompt students to disrupt invited campus speakers. District attorneys release violent arrested criminals without bail. Woke generals call their Chinese counterparts to warn them against their own commander-in-chief.

The Pentagon lectures the country on its supposed innate racism—even as the United States continues to lose wars abroad, abandons billions of dollars of equipment to terrorists, and allows communist China to surveille domestic American military bases with complete impunity.

Words change their meanings. “Racist” now means “don’t dare object.” “White” became the pejorative stereotype used by racists. “Diversity” means tired orthodoxy. “Equity” is a synonym for bias. “Inclusion” ensures exclusion.

Institutions are no longer recognizable. The FBI as we knew it no longer exists. Three former FBI directors either lied under oath to federal investigators, or pleaded amnesia in congressional testimonies.

Our highest former national intelligence officers lied under oath to the Senate. The IRS is weaponized against political opponents of the Democrats. The Department of Justice is more likely to send the FBI after grammar school parents than mobs threatening the homes of Supreme Court justices.

Still, to thoroughly erase America, our Jacobins must radically alter our customs and traditions.

So under the cover of the COVID quarantines, Election Day was made irrelevant. In the new America, 70 percent did not vote on the designated day but, fueled by third-party vote harvesting and relaxation of audits of non-Election-Day ballots, extended the vote over a period of several weeks.

Like the Jacobins, names and dates had to be radically transformed. 1619, not 1776, is now America’s birthdate and, we are told, it was an ignominious one.

Statues are toppled, careers Trotskyized.

Biological males suddenly have hijacked women’s sports—destroying five decades of women’s hard-won efforts to achieve equal treatment and respect in athletics.

What triggered the collective madness and this Jacobin takeover?

The Left’s perfect storm of the 120 days of riot, death, arson and looting of 2020? The COVID pandemic? The disastrous two-year lockdown? The 2016 election of the outsider Donald Trump?

All those catalysts and more.

As the country collapses under leftist nihilism, the revolution’s last gasp is to destroy Donald Trump—by empowering him. That is, the leftist legal vendetta is designed to win him just enough empathy to be nominated the Republican Party’s presidential candidate, but then to keep on indicting, gagging, and hemorrhaging him legally until Election Day 2024.

Trump was the first president to be impeached twice, to be tried by the Senate as a private citizen, and to have his private home raided by the FBI. Now he is the first president to have been indicted, effectively ending America’s moral authority abroad.

America now has three potential futures and two are bad.

First, the Jacobins have two more years to finish what they started as the founders’ dream descends into our worst nightmare.

Second, the revolution has so warped our legal system, our voting on Election Day, and the FBI, the CIA, the Justice Department, and the IRS, that even a despised, unpopular Left will “win” elections.

The third is that New York prosecutor Alan Bragg has jumped the shark.

His pathetic prosecution is so patently incoherent, illiberal, and in spirit anti-American, that two-thirds of the country will soon conclude the center is not holding. The Jacobins’ reign of terror is unsustainable. And so in 2024 the Left will not be defeated, but so defeated so that it is utterly discredited.

The choice is ours.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: elwood blues on April 06, 2023, 04:32:57 PM
https://amgreatness.com/2023/04/05/our-french-revolution/

Our French Revolution

America now has three potential futures and two are bad.

I don't see much of a difference between 1 and 2, but yeah.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Anthony on April 06, 2023, 05:41:18 PM
I  keep saying this. If the Continental Army does not rise from the grave we are finished, even as a somewhat ordered territory. 
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 08, 2023, 06:56:30 PM
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Lucifer on April 12, 2023, 03:36:08 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/eKdwUo4.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2023, 03:43:43 AM
https://amgreatness.com/2023/04/05/our-french-revolution/

Our French Revolution

America now has three potential futures and two are bad.

I thought it looked familiar. I posted the same article from a different link in another thread.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: nddons on April 12, 2023, 05:46:54 AM
I thought it looked familiar. I posted the same article from a different link in another thread.
That’s an excellent article.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2023, 06:10:33 AM
That’s an excellent article.

It is, but he is too optimistic that the third can happen. 
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Little Joe on April 12, 2023, 06:23:02 AM
It is, but he is too optimistic that the third can happen.
I see #3 as quite possible.  If not in 2024 then even more so in 2026.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2023, 07:49:24 AM
I see #3 as quite possible.  If not in 2024 then even more so in 2026.

But with all the non-Democrats leaving the blue cities and states in droves it is becoming even less possible for them to vote in enough numbers in the key districts to overcome the cheating.  It only takes half a dozen or so counties in half a dozen states to tip the Electoral College.  The Republican could win 80% of the popular vote and still lose.  Somebody smarter than me do the math and tell me if I’m wrong.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Little Joe on April 12, 2023, 11:30:06 AM
But with all the non-Democrats leaving the blue cities and states in droves it is becoming even less possible for them to vote in enough numbers in the key districts to overcome the cheating.  It only takes half a dozen or so counties in half a dozen states to tip the Electoral College.  The Republican could win 80% of the popular vote and still lose.  Somebody smarter than me do the math and tell me if I’m wrong.
I must be really dense because I have heard that hundreds and hundreds of times, and I still don't believe it.  Sure, there will be some cheating, but the spotlight will be so bright it won't be sufficient. And if it is sufficient to sway the 2024 election, it won't be in 2026 and the pendulum will swing again, as it always does.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: President-Elect Bob Noel on April 12, 2023, 11:51:18 AM
I must be really dense because I have heard that hundreds and hundreds of times, and I still don't believe it.  Sure, there will be some cheating, but the spotlight will be so bright it won't be sufficient. And if it is sufficient to sway the 2024 election, it won't be in 2026 and the pendulum will swing again, as it always does.

The places with the cheating aren't doing anything to prevent cheating.. no matter how bright the spotlight is.

I don't know how you can say "it won't be sufficient"

it was sufficient.  What will be different?



Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Rush on April 12, 2023, 12:49:55 PM
I must be really dense because I have heard that hundreds and hundreds of times, and I still don't believe it.  Sure, there will be some cheating, but the spotlight will be so bright it won't be sufficient. And if it is sufficient to sway the 2024 election, it won't be in 2026 and the pendulum will swing again, as it always does.

It always did but we never had universal mail in voting before. That’s what kicked the cheating way into overdrive and allowed unlimited creation of “votes”.  That genie has not been put back in the bottle and looks like it can’t be.  I see no dedicated effort whatsoever in mainstream GOP to address this.  And like Bob just said, shining the spotlight on it has done nothing except make them thumb their noses at us as they openly ramp up the cheating even more right in plain sight!

There have been no consequences in the district where the 2020 vote total was greater than the entire population- including children.  No consequences in 2022 AZ where the voters in red counties were turned away because of “printer malfunction”.  No serious investigation into Dominion.  No cases prosecuted on the hundreds of witness affidavits of observed ballot tampering, videos of running one ballot through multiple times, videos of ballot harvesters instructing nursing home residents what to mark, etc. etc.

What good has the spotlight done?  I’m hoping that at least Republican poll workers can now be alert to fraud in 2024 but I have no confidence there’ll even be any.  The Dems in those few cities have a lock on administering the election and they will double down in 2024 now that they’ve seen they can get away with it.

I hope to God I’m wrong.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Jim Logajan on April 12, 2023, 04:50:05 PM
I can't recall if I previously posted this video, but The History Guy did a nice video on a truly messed up presidential election involving massive voter fraud that makes the 2020 election appear downright tame in comparison:

Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Anthony on April 12, 2023, 04:58:21 PM
I can't recall if I previously posted this video, but The History Guy did a nice video on a truly messed up presidential election involving massive voter fraud that makes the 2020 election appear downright tame in comparison:



I bet neither wanted to purposefully destroy the economy, have open borders, put our national security at risk, limit travel, etc., like the current fraudulent occupant of the White House.
Title: Re: Trump indicted.
Post by: Becky (My pronouns are Assigned/By/God) on April 12, 2023, 05:08:22 PM
I bet neither wanted to purposefully destroy the economy, have open borders, put our national security at risk, limit travel, etc., like the current fraudulent occupant of the White House.
Yes, the quality of our fraudulent presidents definitely has declined.