PILOT SPIN
Spin Zone => Spin Zone => Topic started by: Lucifer on April 18, 2023, 06:01:05 AM
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So Speaker McLoser is proposing to raise the debt ceiling while at the same time reducing spending. ::)
Here's a fuckin' clue: Why not stop this ridiculous spending, such as funding gender studies in Pakistan, the sex habits of frogs in the Amazon, or billions in grants to countries that hate us? There's a start.
Defund this diversity and equity garbage in the federal government. Require each federal agency to shrink by 10%.
Have congress take a 10% paycut.
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Because as the Silent Partner in the UNIPARTY, the Republicans are all for more and more spending with their Democrat cohorts. Just raise taxes on the Middle-Income Earner. I don't say "Middle Class" as the concept of the former USA is to be classless society. Instead of classless we now have NO CLASS as a country. None. With the Political/Government class and their partnering Coporate Elite class re now the Royalty who want to rule over us.
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I was listening to the radio this morning and the commentator mentioned that the stock market is ‘scheduled’ to collapse the day after the GOP refuses to raise the debt ceiling, as the senile imposter will announce that the government can’t pay the interest on bonds and it is the republicans fault.
That the fucking communist democrats would do that is just another step in destroying the middle class and seizing complete control by collapsing the money system.
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Look!!! Pentagon Leaker!!!
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I was listening to the radio this morning and the commentator mentioned that the stock market is ‘scheduled’ to collapse the day after the GOP refuses to raise the debt ceiling, as the senile imposter will announce that the government can’t pay the interest on bonds and it is the republicans fault.
That the fucking communist democrats would do that is just another step in destroying the middle class and seizing complete control by collapsing the money system.
It's a commonly repeated myth that the government would default. There is more than adequate government income to continuing to pay bond interest (I think a bit above 10% of the budget) and still fund maybe 80% of other government programs. In fact the constitution via Section Four of the 14th Amendment effectively requires bond payments take priority over all other government debt payments.
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It's a commonly repeated myth that the government would default. There is more than adequate government income to continuing to pay bond interest (I think a bit above 10% of the budget) and still fund maybe 80% of other government programs. In fact the constitution via Section Four of the 14th Amendment effectively requires bond payments take priority over all other government debt payments.
And we all know just how serious our government takes the constitution these days.
I'm so relieved.
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The government (except for essential services) is shut down 28% of the time now! Everyone panic!!
(Saturdays and Sundays of every week, plus holidays)
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It's a commonly repeated myth that the government would default. There is more than adequate government income to continuing to pay bond interest (I think a bit above 10% of the budget) and still fund maybe 80% of other government programs. In fact the constitution via Section Four of the 14th Amendment effectively requires bond payments take priority over all other government debt payments.
A shit hole party that has such high respect for the first and second amendment surely wouldn’t act out just to attack the rest of us….
Yep.
I feel so safe, now.
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And we all know just how serious our government takes the constitution these days.
I'm so relieved.
Jim’s point, and I agree with him, is that the risk of the government defaulting is a lie promulgated by the democrats and media, and everyone seems to be buying into it.
It cannot happen.
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Jim’s point, and I agree with him, is that the risk of the government defaulting is a lie promulgated by the democrats and media, and everyone seems to be buying into it.
It cannot happen.
Of course it bloody well can! Right now the whole world economy is based on the good credit of the United States, and we benefit from it mightily. Blow that and I honestly don't know what's on the other side. A lot of this is perception, and once we're not perceived as the stable world leader we simply won't be anymore.
The GOP is plying with fire, but it's the rest of us who'll get burned if they muck this up, and it looks like they're fixing to do just that.
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Of course it bloody well can! Right now the whole world economy is based on the good credit of the United States, and we benefit from it mightily. Blow that and I honestly don't know what's on the other side. A lot of this is perception, and once we're not perceived as the stable world leader we simply won't be anymore.
The GOP is plying with fire, but it's the rest of us who'll get burned if they muck this up, and it looks like they're fixing to do just that.
No, read the 14th Amendment.
Yet you and your party have ZERO answer to spending beyond our means. Zero. Your answer is to just keep issuing debt indefinitely, and NEVER talk about the spending problem. Is that sustainable?
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Of course it bloody well can! Right now the whole world economy is based on the good credit of the United States, and we benefit from it mightily. Blow that and I honestly don't know what's on the other side. A lot of this is perception, and once we're not perceived as the stable world leader we simply won't be anymore.
The GOP is plying with fire, but it's the rest of us who'll get burned if they muck this up, and it looks like they're fixing to do just that.
We hear this same shrill scare tactic every time there is a vote on the debt limit. "The sky is falling, the sky is falling". Yet it never does. After a while, it just becomes annoying background noise. Perhaps instead of trying to scare everyone the Dems could actually help address our spending sickness.
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Of course it bloody well can! Right now the whole world economy is based on the good credit of the United States, and we benefit from it mightily. Blow that and I honestly don't know what's on the other side. A lot of this is perception, and once we're not perceived as the stable world leader we simply won't be anymore.
The GOP is plying with fire, but it's the rest of us who'll get burned if they muck this up, and it looks like they're fixing to do just that.
Mikey is shrieking about those evil republicans that refuse to keep raising the debt ceiling so his shithole party can continue to spend the country into oblivion.
How fucking pathetic, mike.
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It's a commonly repeated myth that the government would default. There is more than adequate government income to continuing to pay bond interest (I think a bit above 10% of the budget) and still fund maybe 80% of other government programs. In fact the constitution via Section Four of the 14th Amendment effectively requires bond payments take priority over all other government debt payments.
Government income from where? Taxpayers? Are we assuming that’s going to continue at the needed rate? And is the government really going to cut out that 20% to get down to funding only 80% of programs?
If you are right that the government won’t default it will only be because it prints money. And of course the more it prints the less worth it has, unless real production rises at the same rate. And we all know ant that’s called.
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Of course it bloody well can! Right now the whole world economy is based on the good credit of the United States, and we benefit from it mightily. Blow that and I honestly don't know what's on the other side. A lot of this is perception, and once we're not perceived as the stable world leader we simply won't be anymore.
The GOP is plying with fire, but it's the rest of us who'll get burned if they muck this up, and it looks like they're fixing to do just that.
I agree with every word of this. The only thing I don’t understand is how you can vote for Democrats as they are worse than the GOP when it comes to the economy. Much of the Fed’s budget obligations are largely Democrat driven entitlements.
And I agree 100% perception is everything and we need to be perceived as a stable world leader. We had that under Trump, but Biden is a weak embarrassment. I’m assuming you voted for Biden so I don’t get the cognitive dissonance.
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mikey gets his opinions from msnbc and the faculty lounge.
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We hear this same shrill scare tactic every time there is a vote on the debt limit. "The sky is falling, the sky is falling". Yet it never does. After a while, it just becomes annoying background noise. Perhaps instead of trying to scare everyone the Dems could actually help address our spending sickness.
It never does because they just print more money. That doesn’t mean the sky isn’t going to eventually fall. You can’t keep printing more money than your country’s true productive output. Sooner or later it’ll all come crashing down. But you are right the Democrats have no interest in addressing spending and most republicans don’t either.
Edit: I will also admit Trump didn’t really address it either. But at least he ramped up true production in the economy and that is the foundation of everything. I was hoping he’d address spending in his second term.
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mikey gets his opinions from msnbc and the faculty lounge.
I know. They spin it so backwards. Like Trump was gonna start WW3 yet we had no problems with the superpowers under him and here we are with Biden heading us toward direct conflict with Russia and China fixing to invade Taiwan. Which is a direct result of us looking WEAK.
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I wonder what the democrats are playing with….
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I know. They spin it so backwards. Like Trump was gonna start WW3 yet we had no problems with the superpowers under him and here we are with Biden heading us toward direct conflict with Russia and China fixing to invade Taiwan. Which is a direct result of us looking WEAK.
The only times we're attacked is when we are actually weak or perceived as weak. From the Revolutionary War in which the British thought they could just steam roll over us to the War of 1812 to Pearl Harbor. We're weak now thanks to the poor Industrial Sector and PC military the Democrats have created. Watch out.
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The only times we're attacked is when we are actually weak or perceived as weak. From the Revolutionary War in which the British thought they could just steam roll over us to the War of 1812 to Pearl Harbor. We're weak now thanks to the poor Industrial Sector and PC military the Democrats have created. Watch out.
Yep. I think one reason the world stayed peaceful during Trump's administration is the very thing people hate about Trump, even his supporters. "Mean tweets" and crazy over the top exaggerations. When he told Putin "invade Ukraine and I'll drop a bomb on Moscow" nobody assumed he was kidding. It might have been insane to do so, it might have kicked off WW3 but that is the very reason it worked: People thought Trump was insane enough to kick off WW3 therefore they didn't test it.
Reagan understood this as well, although with a more professional veneer. "I'm building orbiting war machines that will zap you from space." The Soviet Union's response was to self delete!
What will actually start WW3 is the reverse of that: The appearance of weakness, and the Biden administration projects that in spades.
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Of course it bloody well can! Right now the whole world economy is based on the good credit of the United States, and we benefit from it mightily. Blow that and I honestly don't know what's on the other side. A lot of this is perception, and once we're not perceived as the stable world leader we simply won't be anymore.
The GOP is plying with fire, but it's the rest of us who'll get burned if they muck this up, and it looks like they're fixing to do just that.
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The Debt Ceiling Kubuke Theater plays on.
The UniParty wants everyone to think that Speaker McLoser is a maverick, forcing through a "solution" to the debt ceiling. Then they have FJB refusing to do nothing, because they know (and want) FJB to get his way.
Bottom line: The debt ceiling will be raised, spending will increase, and the American public gets played once again.
But we're too busy arguing about tranny's to pay attention.
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Another week to go until we watch Speaker McLoser fold like a cheap suit to the FJB regime.
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Bottom line: The debt ceiling will be raised, spending will increase, and the American public gets played once again.
Exactly. Everything else is just posturing.
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The Debt Ceiling Kubuke Theater plays on.
The UniParty wants everyone to think that Speaker McLoser is a maverick, forcing through a "solution" to the debt ceiling. Then they have FJB refusing to do nothing, because they know (and want) FJB to get his way.
Bottom line: The debt ceiling will be raised, spending will increase, and the American public gets played once again.
But we're too busy arguing about tranny's to pay attention.
It's sad more Americans don't realize this.
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Rather than pushing for mandatory spending cuts, which will piss off a lot of voters,
I would prefer they push for an agreement whereby Congress can't vote to spend money if it pushes them over the debt ceiling.
Who wouldn't vote for that? (Well, except for Democrat politicians that need to buy votes).
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We are pissing away money on Ukraine.
We are pissing away money on illegals with free healthcare, free food and free housing, and free transportation.
We are pissing away money to countries that hate us.
We are pissing away money to countries to build them border security walls.
So yes, WE CAN CUT SPENDING. See above. Cut that fuckin' nonsense out and there is no need to increase the debt ceiling, and we haven't touched any social spending for CITIZENS.
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Who/what will fund the Revolutionary War II?
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In theory the fiscal conservatives hold all the cards with regard to cutting spending. On one hand the Democrats agree to the conservative's demands and they win. On the other hand the Democrats don't agree and the fiscal conservatives still win because spending is forcibly cut. So long as the conservatives don't panic their goal of cutting spending is accomplished.
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In theory the fiscal conservatives hold all the cards with regard to cutting spending. On one hand the Democrats agree to the conservative's demands and they win. On the other hand the Democrats don't agree and the fiscal conservatives still win because spending is forcibly cut. So long as the conservatives don't panic their goal of cutting spending is accomplished.
There are no fiscal conservatives in reality. Nothing will get cut. Nothing.
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There are never cuts in Washington D.C. only cuts to expected increases.
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In theory the fiscal conservatives hold all the cards with regard to cutting spending. On one hand the Democrats agree to the conservative's demands and they win. On the other hand the Democrats don't agree and the fiscal conservatives still win because spending is forcibly cut. So long as the conservatives don't panic their goal of cutting spending is accomplished.
Great idea in theory. But the MSM will always spin that the evil extreme MAGA Republicans want to kill babies and veterans and throw out firefighters and defund the police and leave granny to starve and on and on. Doesn't ever matter as long as the MSM is the mouthpiece of the democrat. Conservatives never hold ANY cards while this continues.
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https://mises.org/wire/three-lies-theyre-telling-you-about-debt-ceiling
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I think they're actually going to do it this time. You guys should be happy, you've always wanted to burn it all down and I think your buddies in Congress are going to do just that. The really scary thing is I have no idea what happens after. None.
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I think they're actually going to do it this time. You guys should be happy, you've always wanted to burn it all down and I think your buddies in Congress are going to do just that. The really scary thing is I have no idea what happens after. None.
First of all, they're not our buddies.
Of course you have no idea what happens after because you're a liberal and liberals don't know how to produce or create anything. The rest of us will put our heads down and get to work rebuilding a country -- this time without liberalism.
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I think they're actually going to do it this time. You guys should be happy, you've always wanted to burn it all down and I think your buddies in Congress are going to do just that. The really scary thing is I have no idea what happens after. None.
The Republicans in congress passed a bill to raise the debt ceiling. This bill also included some minor cuts and reductions in the increase of government spending. They did their job. How exactly does this "burn it all down"? The Senate (controlled by democrats) refuse to take up that bill. FJB refuses to negotiate. So how is the possible default the Republicans fault?
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Like many topics, the perfesser hasn’t a clue.
He voted for this (the Biden Regime) and it even cost him his airplane. He complains about the faltering economy, totally oblivious that his party has got us here.
Useless Idiot.
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Like many topics, the perfesser hasn’t a clue.
He voted for this (the Biden Regime) and it even cost him his airplane. He complains about the faltering economy, totally oblivious that his party has got us here.
Useless Idiot.
You idiot Trumpkins have no more clue than I. No one knows what happens after a default. No one. However, the world revolves around the good faith and credit of the United States. Take that away and I don't know what lies on the other side and neither do you. And you are such a bottom-feeding moronic idiot that you don't understand that it was the aftermath of a world wide pandemic that robbed me of my beloved airplane. And thanks for pouring salt in the wound, the one thing I know you're good for.
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typical - liberals always blame someone else. The concept of personal responsibility is too horrible to accept.
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You idiot Trumpkins have no more clue than I. No one knows what happens after a default. No one. However, the world revolves around the good faith and credit of the United States. Take that away and I don't know what lies on the other side and neither do you. And you are such a bottom-feeding moronic idiot that you don't understand that it was the aftermath of a world wide pandemic that robbed me of my beloved airplane. And thanks for pouring salt in the wound, the one thing I know you're good for.
Still in denial? Your guy that you and your fellow travelers wanted in the WH has destroyed what was a vibrant economy. And now you are a victim of it.
Your understanding of economics rates right up there with history. Zilch. While you and the other intellectual zeros are hoping for a total collapse, so in a fucked up way you think the conservatives will be blamed, that ain't happening either.
Own up to it cupcake. You wanted it, you voted for it. It's all yours.
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The pandemic did damage the economy, partially through things Trump did but mostly through lockdowns which he opposed after the first few weeks.
But the MAIN reason the economy is tanked is because of what Biden did to the cost of energy starting his first day in office. Period.
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You idiot Trumpkins have no more clue than I. No one knows what happens after a default. No one. However, the world revolves around the good faith and credit of the United States. Take that away and I don't know what lies on the other side and neither do you.
They got a history department at that school of yours? A library? This isn't the first default and collapse. We know exactly what's coming. It's you liberals that are always surprised.
... it was the aftermath of a world wide pandemic that robbed me of my beloved airplane.
I'd wager it was a little deeper than that.
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I'm ready for the Zombie Apocalypse.
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I'm ready for the Zombie Apocalypse.
Zombies now expected June 5th, per Yellen's latest forecast. That's also our wedding anniversary. I hear June 6th is also famous for something too. ;)
Edit to add that I suppose I should check the chainsaw is ready for use.
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You guys have to stop falling for mikey and his never ending need to blow sound bites out his ass.
It’s not like he is capable of even thinking, much less presenting a coherent position.
He is a troll.
It’s plain and simple.
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/emerging-us-debt-deal-raise-005329446.html
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/emerging-us-debt-deal-raise-005329446.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/emerging-us-debt-deal-raise-005329446.html)
Payments could be delayed for Social Security. But, but what about the SS Trust Fund? ;D ;D
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Payments could be delayed for Social Security. But, but what about the SS Trust Fund? ;D ;D
They always use the SS threat.
But somehow they have money for illegal invaders, and of course Zelensky, along with all their New Green Deal initiatives.
Notice how McLoser is caving on the IRS funding he promised to get rid of.
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The SS threat is fearmongering. I called our local SS office and fortunately got an agent who didn’t seem to swallow the Kool-Aid and told it to me straight. He said the government will NEVER not send out SS checks. They’ll print money out of thin air if they have to. Inflate the dollar so bad they’ll lose a lot of value, but the checks themselves will keep coming. The reason is that millions of Americans now rely on them just to eat so the backlash would be so bad they won’t dare.
However that doesn’t address tweaking the system for those not yet retired. Raising full retirement age for example. This screws the young who are already burdened unfairly to support the retiring population bubble. The fact is social security is unsustainable unless we quickly start making a lot more babies and also bring the work ethic back to the young. I don’t see any sign of either of those happening.
But to fearmonger by implying you’ll stop getting your check is akin to propaganda. The core problem is way bigger than just funding social security. Without young people to replace the old, we won’t be growing food, making energy, transporting things, maintaining infrastructure, etc. IOW survive as a country or survive period.
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It's the same bullshit school boards present when their budgets get pushback from taxpayers; no sports, after school activities, busing. Never, "let's get rid of some $500K administrators."
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The SS threat is fearmongering. I called our local SS office and fortunately got an agent who didn’t seem to swallow the Kool-Aid and told it to me straight. He said the government will NEVER not send out SS checks. They’ll print money out of thin air if they have to. Inflate the dollar so bad they’ll lose a lot of value, but the checks themselves will keep coming. The reason is that millions of Americans now rely on them just to eat so the backlash would be so bad they won’t dare.
However that doesn’t address tweaking the system for those not yet retired. Raising full retirement age for example. This screws the young who are already burdened unfairly to support the retiring population bubble. The fact is social security is unsustainable unless we quickly start making a lot more babies and also bring the work ethic back to the young. I don’t see any sign of either of those happening.
But to fearmonger by implying you’ll stop getting your check is akin to propaganda. The core problem is way bigger than just funding social security. Without young people to replace the old, we won’t be growing food, making energy, transporting things, maintaining infrastructure, etc. IOW survive as a country or survive period.
I'm in favor of dropping the ceiling and withholding on one's entire salary.
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We should have a Balanced Budget amendment to the constitution.
If congress can't balance the budget, they don't get paid.
Also, stop congress from voting their own pay raises. This should be put to the voters, since congress works for us.
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As predicted, Speaker McLoser folds like a cheap suit, and the FJB regime wins.
The UniParty celebrates a "win" for themselves, more feeding at the trough. The American taxpayer gets it shoved up their asses once again.
Of course, the state controlled media and big tech will spin this as something good, while the average Joe is being consumed with stories of gays and trannies and why he should bow down to them.
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https://twitter.com/TomFitton/status/1662649952391032832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Escreen-name%3Acatturd2%7Ctwcon%5Es1
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https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1662837549990068225
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Here is a link to the text of the bill. https://docs.house.gov/billsthisweek/20230529/BILLS-118hrPIH-fiscalresponsibility.pdf can someone please explain in dumb people's term (for me) where there is any limit on the debt ceiling between now and 1/1/2025. Thanks
You'll probably need this also....https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/31/3102
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It's all kabuki theater. Kevin McLoser is living up to his reputation.
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So now Speaker Kevin McLoser is going to give "unfettered" access to the J6 tapes to 3 journalist..........
Nice timing Kevin. Why not just open them for anyone who wants to see them? We remember when you gave Tucker access.......except it was only in a SCIF and only one or two people could watch......and have limited access to copying.
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These 3 weasels are trying to push the phony debt ceiling agreement. Eventually the masks comes off and we see what we are dealing with.
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The democrats came to McLoser’s side.
Chalk one more up to the establishment.
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Passes 314-117.
I was expecting it to be a close vote. Sigh.
Edit to add: odd, that vote count came from the WSJ but Fox news says it was 241-187.
One more edit: the 241-187 was a procedural vote to advance the bill, not the vote on the bill itself, That was the 314-117 count.
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Got more "D" votes then "R" votes. Will look to see how my representative voted. I wrote and asked him to vote "no"
My guy voted "NO" 8)
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Rather than pushing for mandatory spending cuts, which will piss off a lot of voters,
I would prefer they push for an agreement whereby Congress can't vote to spend money if it pushes them over the debt ceiling.
Who wouldn't vote for that? (Well, except for Democrat politicians that need to buy votes).
Trump bought votes with the individual $1,400 covid payments, PPP free money program, and Employee Retention Credits.
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My Congressman says it’s a good thing.
https://newhouse.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/newhouse-votes-cut-spending-restore-fiscal-sanity
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Trump bought votes with the individual $1,400 covid payments, PPP free money program, and Employee Retention Credits.
Trump is only a Conservative when it suits HIM. He has no problem with being liberal when THAT suits HIM.
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Passes 314-117.
I was expecting it to be a close vote. Sigh.
It was never close. But close is what draws viewers so that is what they show and print.
And the fact that a deal would be done before the X date was never in doubt. It was all showmanship, like in a movie thriller where you KNOW the hero is going to pull out a miracle at the end.
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Here are the House Republicans who voted against the bill:
Rep. Mark Alford (R-Mo.)
Rep. Andy Biggs (R-Ariz.)
Rep. Dan Bishop (R-N.C.)
Rep. Mike Bost (R-Ill.)
Rep. Josh Brecheen (R-Okla.)
Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.)
Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.)
Rep. Tim Burchett (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Eric Burlison (R-Mo.)
Rep. Kat Cammack (R-Fla.)
Rep. John Carter (R-Texas)
Rep. Ben Cline (R-Va.)
Rep. Michael Cloud (R-Texas)
Rep. Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.)
Rep. Mike Collins (R-Ga.)
Rep. Eli Crane (R-Ariz.)
Rep. Scott DesJarlais (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.)
Rep. Pat Fallon (R-Texas)
Rep. Brad Finstad (R-Minn.)
Rep. Michelle Fischbach (R-Minn.)
Rep. Russel Fry (R-S.C.)
Rep. Russ Fulcher (R-Idaho)
Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.)
Rep. Tony Gonzalez (R-Texas)
Rep. Bob Good (R-Va.)
Rep. Lance Gooden (R-Texas)
Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.)
Rep. Morgan Griffith (R-Va.)
Rep. Michael Guest (R-Miss.)
Rep. Harriet Hageman (R-Wyo.)
Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.)
Rep. Diana Harshbarger (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Kevin Hern (R-Okla.)
Rep. Clay Higgins (R-La.)
Rep. Wesley Hunt (R-Texas)
Rep. Ronny Jackson (R-Texas)
Rep. Darin LaHood (R-Ill.)
Rep. Debbie Lesko (R-Ariz.)
Rep. Anna Paulina Luna (R-Fla.)
Rep. Morgan Luttrell (R-Texas)
Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.)
Rep. Tracy Mann (R-Kansas)
Rep. Brian Mast (R-Fla.)
Rep. Richard McCormick (R-Ga.)
Rep. Mary Miller (R-Ill.)
Rep. Cory Mills (R-Fla.)
Rep. Alex Mooney (R-W.Va.)
Rep. Barry Moore (R-Ala.)
Rep. Nathaniel Moran (R-Texas)
Rep. Ralph Norman (R-S.C.)
Rep. Andy Ogles (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Gary Palmer (R-Ga.)
Rep. Scott Perry (R-Pa.)
Rep. Bill Posey (R-Fla.)
Rep. John Rose (R-Tenn.)
Rep. Matt Rosendale (R-Mont.)
Rep. Chip Roy (R-Texas)
Rep. George Santos (R-N.Y.)
Rep. Keith Self (R-Texas)
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas)
Rep. Victoria Spartz (R-Ind.)
Rep. Greg Steube (R-Fla.)
Rep. Dale Strong (R-Ala.)
Rep. Tom Tiffany (R-Wis.)
Rep. William Timmons (R-S.C.)
Rep. Jeff Van Drew (R-N.J.)
Rep. Beth Van Duyne (R-Texas)
Rep. Mike Waltz (R-Fla.)
Rep. Randy Weber (R-Texas)
Rep. Ryan Zinke (R-Mont.)
Here are the House Democrats who voted against the bill:
Rep. Nanette Barragán (D-Calif.)
Rep. Suzanne Bonamici (D-Ore.)
Rep. Jamaal Bowman (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Cori Bush (D-Mo.)
Rep. Greg Casar (D-Texas)
Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-Texas)
Rep. Judy Chu (D-Calif.)
Rep. Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.)
Rep. Jasmine Crockett (D-Texas)
Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.)
Rep. Mark DeSaulnier (D-Calif.)
Rep. Adriano Espaillat (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Jesus Garcia (D-Ill.)
Rep. Sylvia Garcia (D-Texas)
Rep. Daniel Goldman (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Jimmy Gomez (D-Calif.)
Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ill.)
Rep. Jahana Hayes (D-Conn.)
Rep. Val Hoyle (D-Ore.)
Rep. Jared Huffman (D-Calif.)
Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.)
Rep. Sydney Kamlager-Dove (D-Calif.)
Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.)
Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.)
Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.)
Rep. Summer Lee (D-Pa.)
Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.)
Rep. Grace Meng (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Gwen Moore (D-Wis.)
Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Rep. Mark Pocan (D-N.Y.)
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Trump is only a Conservative when it suits HIM. He has no problem with being liberal when THAT suits HIM.
That evil TRUMP! jumped in and passed the debt ceiling bill!! How could he!!
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https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/31/mccarthy-debt-limit-deal-gop-divisions-00099567
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Trump is only a Conservative when it suits HIM. He has no problem with being liberal when THAT suits HIM.
Trump has never been a conservative at all. He doesn’t have a pie in the sky ideology of any stripe. He’s about pragmatic results. He’s for the forgotten man, and America first, whatever ideology that means on any one issue. Sometimes that looks conservative, sometimes it looks liberal. Once in a while it looks libertarian and sometimes even authoritarian. Sometimes it’s right and sometimes wrong. He’s not perfect.
But for the most part he is consistently opposed to the swamp, Uniparty, Deep State, whatever you want to call it, and the global cabal. He is opposed to government overreach at the expense of the working man and the common man. He is opposed to centralized control not only at the federal level but internationally. He is opposed to relinquishing any of our sovereignty to the no-borders global oligarchy. He stands between us and all of their destructive schemes to end civilization as we know it, which is based on fossil fuels.
I cannot overemphasize how important this one man is because he is not slave to an ideology but rather interested in actual real world pragmatic results. He proved this in his first term. This diminished the power of the Uniparty and the global elite because it empowered us, the people. More jobs and cheap energy means self sufficiency and that lessens their control over us. This enraged them. They can’t have him in office again because of just this and are deploying every weapon they have against him, including putting up DeSantis to try to deny Trump the nomination.
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Rep. Mike Collins (R-Ga.)
My guy
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Trump has never been a conservative at all. He doesn’t have a pie in the sky ideology of any stripe. He’s about pragmatic results. He’s for the forgotten man, and America first, whatever ideology that means on any one issue. Sometimes that looks conservative, sometimes it looks liberal. Once in a while it looks libertarian and sometimes even authoritarian. Sometimes it’s right and sometimes wrong. He’s not perfect.
But for the most part he is consistently opposed to the swamp, Uniparty, Deep State, whatever you want to call it, and the global cabal. He is opposed to government overreach at the expense of the working man and the common man. He is opposed to centralized control not only at the federal level but internationally. He is opposed to relinquishing any of our sovereignty to the no-borders global oligarchy. He stands between us and all of their destructive schemes to end civilization as we know it, which is based on fossil fuels.
I cannot overemphasize how important this one man is because he is not slave to an ideology but rather interested in actual real world pragmatic results. He proved this in his first term. This diminished the power of the Uniparty and the global elite because it empowered us, the people. More jobs and cheap energy means self sufficiency and that lessens their control over us. This enraged them. They can’t have him in office again because of just this and are deploying every weapon they have against him, including putting up DeSantis to try to deny Trump the nomination.
Kind of like Vivek Ramaswamy ;)
Question is, are we too far gone at this point?
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Notice that MTG, Massie & Jordan voted in favor
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Kind of like Vivek Ramaswamy ;)
Question is, are we too far gone at this point?
Last night demonstrated, once again, how these so called republicans really don't give a crap about their voters. " Just do as you're told, sit down and shut up voters! Can't you see we have donors and lobbyist that we need to take care of?"
The RNC and DNC have sank so low, they are running scared of anyone who threatens the status quo.
Right now you have Trump, Ramaswamy and Kennedy who are pushing party politics aside and coming out for the voter. You also have a huge swath of the American people, both liberal and conservative, that are sick and tired of party politics who are gravitating towards these men. That's why there is an all out attack being waged to stop the exits of the two plantations.
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Question is, are we too far gone at this point?
I think so. The Federal Government, Bureacracy and political class are two large and powerful. The only thing that will effect change would probably destroy us.
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Notice that MTG, Massie & Jordan voted in favor
And it is noticed. I for one am done with them, just the same as Tim Scott. It's time to start getting rid of the party RINO's.
It's beyond time to squash the two party system.
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Trump has never been a conservative at all. He doesn’t have a pie in the sky ideology of any stripe. He’s about pragmatic results. He’s for the forgotten man, and America first, whatever ideology that means on any one issue. Sometimes that looks conservative, sometimes it looks liberal. Once in a while it looks libertarian and sometimes even authoritarian. Sometimes it’s right and sometimes wrong. He’s not perfect.
But for the most part he is consistently opposed to the swamp, Uniparty, Deep State, whatever you want to call it, and the global cabal. He is opposed to government overreach at the expense of the working man and the common man. He is opposed to centralized control not only at the federal level but internationally. He is opposed to relinquishing any of our sovereignty to the no-borders global oligarchy. He stands between us and all of their destructive schemes to end civilization as we know it, which is based on fossil fuels.
I cannot overemphasize how important this one man is because he is not slave to an ideology but rather interested in actual real world pragmatic results. He proved this in his first term. This diminished the power of the Uniparty and the global elite because it empowered us, the people. More jobs and cheap energy means self sufficiency and that lessens their control over us. This enraged them. They can’t have him in office again because of just this and are deploying every weapon they have against him, including putting up DeSantis to try to deny Trump the nomination.
“… deny Trump the nomination”?
I thought we had political races, and elected the person that we thought would be best for the country in the long run, AND who could get elected.
I didn’t realize Trump should be consecrated with the nomination.
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And it is noticed. I for one am done with them, just the same as Tim Scott. It's time to start getting rid of the party RINO's.
It's beyond time to squash the two party system.
So now MTG, John Massey and Jim Jordan are RINOS?
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I understand that this bill really sucks and does nothing to ensure that this country endures. It's a bad bill and the Republicans could have done much better if they had the stomach to actually fight for what's right.
But with the big picture out of the way, here's another question... How will this affect me? Really, how will all this budget crap in Washington do anything positive or negative for my life? Inflation goes up. Inflation goes down. Stocks go up. Stocks go down. In the small, so what? In the very VERY narrow focus of just me and my family, what will change?
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I understand that this bill really sucks and does nothing to ensure that this country endures. It's a bad bill and the Republicans could have done much better if they had the stomach to actually fight for what's right.
But with the big picture out of the way, here's another question... How will this affect me? Really, how will all this budget crap in Washington do anything positive or negative for my life? Inflation goes up. Inflation goes down. Stocks go up. Stocks go down. In the small, so what? In the very VERY narrow focus of just me and my family, what will change?
Government will continue to grow and get even more out of control and intrusive. Your rights, freedoms and liberty will continue to erode. Your taxes on all levels will increase as all costs of living go up. Your standard of living could be affected.
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So now MTG, John Massey and Jim Jordan are RINOS?
WTF Stan?? What more proof do you need?? Geez...........
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Government will continue to grow and get even more out of control and intrusive. Your rights, freedoms and liberty will continue to erode. Your taxes on all levels will increase as all costs of living go up. Your standard of living ould be affected.
Thanks! Short term, not much. But medium to long term a significant change to my standard of living. I appreciate the perspective at the very local level. I was having trouble caring about all the shouting.
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“… deny Trump the nomination”?
I thought we had political races, and elected the person that we thought would be best for the country in the long run, AND who could get elected.
I didn’t realize Trump should be consecrated with the nomination.
Oh come on. He’s what, 30 points ahead of DeSantis and all the rest are jokes. He’s got the nomination in the bag. Apparently most Republicans think he’s the best for the country. As for winning the general, it’s not a sure thing DeSantis can win the general more than Trump can. They’re laying in all the plans to cheat, do you really think the Dems will say, “Oh, it’s DeSantis, well then he’s acceptable, we’ll stand down and let him win.”
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Oh come on. He’s what, 30 points ahead of DeSantis and all the rest are jokes. He’s got the nomination in the bag. Apparently most Republicans think he’s the best for the country. As for winning the general, it’s not a sure thing DeSantis can win the general more than Trump can. They’re laying in all the plans to cheat, do you really think the Dems will say, “Oh, it’s DeSantis, well then he’s acceptable, we’ll stand down and let him win.”
I don't think Jesus could win if he ran as a Republican.
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Thanks! Short term, not much. But medium to long term a significant change to my standard of living. I appreciate the perspective at the very local level. I was having trouble caring about all the shouting.
Well remember, I want to abolish the Federal Government, so....... ;D
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Thanks! Short term, not much. But medium to long term a significant change to my standard of living. I appreciate the perspective at the very local level. I was having trouble caring about all the shouting.
Running the printing presses is accelerating inflation. Residential and commercial real estate is taking a beating due to higher interest rates.
Your IRA's are suffering due to lower stock gains, and what's there is being eaten away by inflation. Your home value also suffers.
Also, those 87,000 new IRS agents aren't there to go after the affluent.
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. They’re laying in all the plans to cheat, do you really think the Dems will say, “Oh, it’s DeSantis, well then he’s acceptable, we’ll stand down and let him win.”
Believe it or not, that's an actual belief. Must be the extra sugar in the RNC Kool Aid.
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(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/06/01/15/71655987-12148671-image-a-1_1685629947055.jpg)
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Oh come on. He’s what, 30 points ahead of DeSantis and all the rest are jokes. He’s got the nomination in the bag. Apparently most Republicans think he’s the best for the country. As for winning the general, it’s not a sure thing DeSantis can win the general more than Trump can. They’re laying in all the plans to cheat, do you really think the Dems will say, “Oh, it’s DeSantis, well then he’s acceptable, we’ll stand down and let him win.”
That can happen when a candidate joins the race SIX MONTHS before he did in 2016. It was calculated to spend those six months beating on his only legitimate primary competitor. Fine, we’ll done. Well played.
But to think a poll days after DeSantis joined the race and 8 months before the first primary contest is indicative of the pulse of the GOP electorate is fantasy.
When Trump declared in June 2015, the Real Clear Politics polls showed Jeb Bush, Rubio, and Scott Walker leading the field. Didn’t turn out that way, did it?
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That can happen when a candidate joins the race SIX MONTHS before he did in 2016. It was calculated to spend those six months beating on his only legitimate primary competitor. Fine, we’ll done. Well played.
But to think a poll days after DeSantis joined the race and 8 months before the first primary contest is indicative of the pulse of the GOP electorate is fantasy.
When Trump declared in June 2015, the Real Clear Politics polls showed Jeb Bush, Rubio, and Scott Walker leading the field. Didn’t turn out that way, did it?
Well I guess we will see, won’t we?
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That can happen when a candidate joins the race SIX MONTHS before he did in 2016. It was calculated to spend those six months beating on his only legitimate primary competitor. Fine, we’ll done. Well played.
But to think a poll days after DeSantis joined the race and 8 months before the first primary contest is indicative of the pulse of the GOP electorate is fantasy.
When Trump declared in June 2015, the Real Clear Politics polls showed Jeb Bush, Rubio, and Scott Walker leading the field. Didn’t turn out that way, did it?
The "pulse of the GOP electorate" doesn't want yet another establishment empty suit as their only choice. Again, the largest segment of the GOP is not supporting the establishment.
The debacle over the debt ceiling where McLoser caved to the democrats only amplifies this.
I'll give you this, 8 months a lot can happen. But, so far, the RDS camp has been lackluster at best at promoting their candidate. But that's how the establishment works. While all the consultants walk away with their huge paychecks, they'll make sure RDS has a well written concession speech.
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The Senate approves it with a vote of 63-36. It passed with 46 Democrat and 17 Republican votes. So basically 65% of Republicans voted against it.
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Yep, it's such a great deal for the republicans it had to get majority democrats to pass it. :o
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The Senate approves it with a vote of 63-36. It passed with 46 Democrat and 17 Republican votes. So basically 65% of Republicans voted against it.
Because they know what the vote will be before they vote and it's agreed beforehand who gets to take the fall and who doesn't based on who's vulnerable and who's not.
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Because they know what the vote will be before they vote and it's agreed beforehand who gets to take the fall and who doesn't based on who's vulnerable and who's not.
You mean they don’t vote their conscience based on what their constituents back home would want? I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked.
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Because they know what the vote will be before they vote and it's agreed beforehand who gets to take the fall and who doesn't based on who's vulnerable and who's not.
You beat me to it.
None of them were going to vote NO if they thought that would cause it to fail and the country actually default. But enough of them were "allowed" to vote no for show. (Yeah, I know; some of you don't believe a default would actually happen).
I would have voted to pass the bill too, but if I were the negotiator I would have pushed to abolish the whole debt limit concept and replace it with accountability during spending deliberations.
Biden could have just stayed in his basement like he did in the campaign and the bill would have still passed, even without any concessions. Nobody ever had any intention of actually not passing this bill.
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In the meantime, we're now screwed as there will be no debt ceiling in place for a year and a half. Crank up the presses and the inflation and the interest rates.
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In the meantime, we're now screwed as there will be no debt ceiling in place for a year and a half. Crank up the presses and the inflation and the interest rates.
Which will cause the economy to slow and layoffs. Stagflation is here!
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In the meantime, we're now screwed as there will be no debt ceiling in place for a year and a half. Crank up the presses and the inflation and the interest rates.
So how is that any different that what has already been happening? Politicians vote to spend all the money they want; they crank up the presses to pay for it, then then when they hit the artificial ceiling, they raise the ceiling. The artificial ceiling does nothing to stop the spending.
We NEED accountability before hitting the ceiling.
We don't even need a balanced budget. A little debt can be a good thing. It is called leverage. But there needs to be a limit that is imposed BEFORE the money is spent. We can't just authorize the spending, then not pay the bills.
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Just notice that this only becomes issue when there's a GOP lead Congress and a Democratic POTUS.
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Just notice that this only becomes issue when there's a GOP lead Congress and a Democratic POTUS.
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See you are up bright and early getting your CNN/MSNBC talking points. ::)
How about the 18 times under Ronald Reagan? Or the seven times under GWB?
Does your university even have a library??
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Just notice that this only becomes issue when there's a GOP lead Congress and a Democratic POTUS.
What “this” are you referring to?
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In the meantime, we're now screwed as there will be no debt ceiling in place for a year and a half. Crank up the presses and the inflation and the interest rates.
This isn't the first time the debt ceiling/limit has been suspended rather than raised. This is from 2017 but does have a table showing recent actions on the debt:
https://www.rpc.senate.gov/policy-papers/debt-ceiling-history-and-overview (https://www.rpc.senate.gov/policy-papers/debt-ceiling-history-and-overview)
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You mean they don’t vote their conscience based on what their constituents back home would want? I’m shocked, I tell you, shocked.
My Senator Ron Johnson did that. He announced before it was passed by the House that he wouldn’t vote for it.
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Buck Republican Colorado NO
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Clyde Republican Georgia NO
Collins Republican Georgia NO
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Gonzales, Tony Republican Texas NO
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Hunt Republican Texas NO
Jackson (TX) Republican Texas NO
Luttrell Republican Texas NO
Moran Republican Texas NO
Roy Republican Texas NO
Self Republican Texas NO
Sessions Republican Texas NO
Van Duyne Republican Texas NO
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Cline Republican Virginia NO
Good (VA) Republican Virginia NO
Griffith Republican Virginia NO
Mooney Republican West Virginia NO
Tiffany Republican Wisconsin NO
Hageman Republican Wyoming NO
Boebert Republican Colorado NOT VOTING
Banks Republican Indiana NOT VOTING
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Fetterman and Elizabeth Warren voted no?
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Fetterman and Elizabeth Warren voted no?
Yep. Radical idiots on both sides voted no.
The best scenario would have been to disregard the debt ceiling permanently.
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Yep. Radical idiots on both sides voted no.
Nay FL R Rubio, Marco
Nay FL R Scott, Rick
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Nay FL R Rubio, Marco
Nay FL R Scott, Rick
The only reason I wouldn't call those "NO" votes as idiotic is because they knew when they voted that the agreement would not be voted down.
Under normal circumstances, I would have voted NO too because there is little in the compromise that I like.
On the other hand, defeating the bill, with the real risk of even partial default of US debt is unacceptable. There should be no such thing as an "after the fact" ceiling and even with that fake ceiling, we should never allow ourselves to get to that point.
Example: I want to buy a house, but I know that the PITI will add up to more than I will have and I won't be able to pay?
If I were the US, I would just buy the house, then either NOT pay the mortgage, OR borrow more money to make the payment that I already can't afford.
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Kabuki theater they're almost all corrupt enemies of traditional America and need a wake up call to the afterlife or at least scared of The People again.
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Kabuki theater they're almost all corrupt enemies of traditional America and need a wake up call to the afterlife or at least scared of The People again.
Our government no longer fears the voter. The founding fathers set up our government with very little federal control, and the majority of control to the states. They also set short terms for representatives, and they never envisioned having the president elected by a popular vote. The intent was to have each state legislature decide the means of selecting the electors to the electoral college, in which most of those were done by the legislature.
Also, senators were appointed by state legislatures, with the reason they were to go to Washington and represent state issues. Now we have elected senators who get their support from outside the states they represent, and these senators are involving themselves in international politics. Plus, voter apathy ensures many of these congressmen and senators a life long appointment.
We have also lost checks and balances our founding fathers put in the constitution. Now we have activist judges legislating from the bench, an executive granting themselves powers not found in the constitution and a legislative that can't perform oversight.
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Our government no longer fears the voter. The founding fathers set up our government with very little federal control, and the majority of control to the states. They also set short terms for representatives, and they never envisioned having the president elected by a popular vote. The intent was to have each state legislature decide the means of selecting the electors to the electoral college, in which most of those were done by the legislature.
Also, senators were appointed by state legislatures, with the reason they were to go to Washington and represent state issues. Now we have elected senators who get their support from outside the states they represent, and these senators are involving themselves in international politics. Plus, voter apathy ensures many of these congressmen and senators a life long appointment.
We have also lost checks and balances our founding fathers put in the constitution. Now we have activist judges legislating from the bench, an executive granting themselves powers not found in the constitution and a legislative that can't perform oversight.
We've allowed our politicians to make the Constitution and it's intent by the FFs irrelevant and now we are dealing with what they feared. The New ROYALTY. I'm done with them all.
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We've allowed our politicians to make the Constitution and it's intent by the FFs irrelevant and now we are dealing with what they feared. The New ROYALTY. I'm done with them all.
AOC made the famous remark upon being sworn in as a representative that "I'm the boss now!" She and many others believe this to be true.
People like the Turtle or Schumer could care less about the people in their state. Same goes for McLoser in congress. It's about power and the kingdom within the beltway. This is why both political parties hold the average voter in contempt.
Allowing congress to set their own salaries and benefits should have never been started. Insider trading in congress should have the same penalties as that the common citizen face. Term limits are a must, and repeal of the 17th to elect senators needs to end. Plus, a balanced budget amendment that states the budget must be balanced each fiscal year (no more CR's) and if it doesn't balance, congressmen pay gets suspended.
Abolish federal agencies such as the Dept of Energy and the Dept of Education. Abolish any federal agency where the same function is held at the state level (EPA, NHA as an example). TSA needs to be abolished and require air carriers to provide their own security.
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This hits the mark......
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This hits the mark......
I might steal that.
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Congress raised the debt limit three times for Trump. Don't recall you guys crying over it then.
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Congress raised the debt limit three times for Trump. Don't recall you guys crying over it then.
Trump sucked at fiscal responsibility, and no fiscal conservatives are included in the 535 members of Congress. We are all outside of the beltway.
So do you think there should be zero restraints on how much government spends? If so, you’re part of the problem.
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Trump sucked at fiscal responsibility, and no fiscal conservatives are included in the 535 members of Congress. We are all outside of the beltway.
So do you think there should be zero restraints on how much government spends? If so, you’re part of the problem.
I agree. If Trump did actually cut spending the Media, Democrats and many others would have screaned bloody murder. Essentially a no win situation these days.
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I agree. If Trump did actually cut spending the Media, Democrats and many others would have screaned bloody murder. Essentially a no win situation these days.
I didn't think the president could unilaterally cut spending. Isn't that controlled by Congress?
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I didn't think the president could unilaterally cut spending. Isn't that controlled by Congress?
Correct.
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I didn't think the president could unilaterally cut spending. Isn't that controlled by Congress?
You must haved passed your civics class
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I didn't think the president could unilaterally cut spending. Isn't that controlled by Congress?
Mostly true. But then again, there is a veto.
DeSantis is getting all sorts of heat from leftists complaining about his vetoing half a billion dollars of wasteful spending. This was spending approved by an overwhelming Republican House.
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Yep. The veto. But if Trump had vetoed the debt ceiling raise, the democrats would immediately close nursing homes, close all museums, lay off police and firefighters, shut hospitals and basically attack all of the most vulnerable of us. And then blame it on Trump for it. Really, nothing he could have done about the budget.
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I didn't think the president could unilaterally cut spending. Isn't that controlled by Congress?
He could veto spending bills, and tell his agencies not to spend all the money that was appropriated to them.
Ask Josh about federal governmental agencies having spending sprees at the end of the fiscal year so they can prove they need the money for the next budget. And the next. And the next. And the next.
Trump owns trillion in debt from the Covid bailouts, including the $600 and $1200/person payments, the PPP loan windfall, and the Employee Retention Credit giveaway.
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He could veto spending bills, and tell his agencies not to spend all the money that was appropriated to them.
Ask Josh about federal governmental agencies having spending sprees at the end of the fiscal year so they can prove they need the money for the next budget. And the next. And the next. And the next.
Trump owns trillion in debt from the Covid bailouts, including the $600 and $1200/person payments, the PPP loan windfall, and the Employee Retention Credit giveaway.
I believe DeSantis is one of the few governors that turned down a bunch of that Covid money, and boy did the libs get pissed at him for "giving money away".
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Yep. The veto. But if Trump had vetoed the debt ceiling raise, the democrats would immediately close nursing homes, close all museums, lay off police and firefighters, shut hospitals and basically attack all of the most vulnerable of us. And then blame it on Trump for it. Really, nothing he could have done about the budget.
So the tough guy persona, the only guy who could box in Putin and the CCP, the only guy who could “drain the swamp,” is just a ruse?
The democrats could not close anything that was controlled by FedGov. They weren’t head of the executive branch, Trump was.
So if he was afraid of the bad press for vetoing spending bills, then he was a weak president. I believe he had no intention of having fiscal restraint. He was new to politics, but he learned the game quickly that spending buys votes.
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Covid completely fucked up Trump’s term and all our lives. If not for that, his tax cuts would have continued bringing in more revenue. He wouldn’t have made the mistake that the free money programs were, people wouldn’t have got spoiled sitting at home not working, small businesses would still be open and thriving and Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine and the Democrats wouldn’t have been able to steal the election.
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Covid completely fucked up Trump’s term and all our lives. If not for that, his tax cuts would have continued bringing in more revenue. He wouldn’t have made the mistake that the free money programs were, people wouldn’t have got spoiled sitting at home not working, small businesses would still be open and thriving and Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine and the Democrats wouldn’t have been able to steal the election.
And without taking all those jobs away under Trump, and then giving them back under Biden, then Biden's job creation numbers would not be so hot looking.
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Covid completely fucked up Trump’s term and all our lives. If not for that, his tax cuts would have continued bringing in more revenue. He wouldn’t have made the mistake that the free money programs were, people wouldn’t have got spoiled sitting at home not working, small businesses would still be open and thriving and Putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine and the Democrats wouldn’t have been able to steal the election.
Just like it was intended to do. I truly believe that it was a manufactured (or enhanced) virus intentionally released into the wild to have the effect that it did. Remove Trump. Increase people's dependency on the government. Suppress all dissenting voices. Usher in the new world order. Lather, rinse, repeat until they get the results they want.
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And without taking all those jobs away under Trump, and then giving them back under Biden, then Biden's job creation numbers would not be so hot looking.
Yep.
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I didn't think the president could unilaterally cut spending. Isn't that controlled by Congress?
He can tell Congress he won't sign it, therefore making them revise it to his liking.
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He can tell Congress he won't sign it, therefore making them revise it to his liking.
There are lots of ways Presidents can influence or deter spending
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There are lots of ways Presidents can influence or deter spending
True. Look at how much Obama and Bush put towards the wall on the southern border. It could have been built 10x over based on how much Congress has appropriated for the wall over the past 20 years.
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Yep.
In the communist democrat party world facts are racist.
Working to better the country is destroying democracy.
And refusing to believe the government treasonous bullshit is an uprising.
Liberals are satan’s moronic sisters.
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Just like it was intended to do. I truly believe that it was a manufactured (or enhanced) virus intentionally released into the wild to have the effect that it did. Remove Trump. Increase people's dependency on the government. Suppress all dissenting voices. Usher in the new world order. Lather, rinse, repeat until they get the results they want.
And no doubt a PhD Geneticist telling you it was a naturally occurring virus that got out of control won't change your mind in the slightest. Just like vaccines and autism. Don't know why I bother.
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mikey trading on his education is as dishonest as biden claiming he never touched the biden family corruption.
Just more shot he shovels believing that lying often enough proves the truth.
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https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2023/06/28/trump_plan_to_bypass_congress_and_starve_the_deep_state__149417.html
Sources close to former President Trump say he has a plan for keeping Congress from ever again forcing him into “disgraceful” and “ridiculous” spending situations. If he returns to the White House, Trump will seek to resurrect authority that Congress stripped from the presidency almost a half century ago.
What President Nixon squandered, his campaign promises, Trump will restore, namely the impoundment power. “A lot of you,” the former president told a New Hampshire crowd Thursday, “don't know what that is.” Indeed, few now remember it.
Impoundment, if restored, would allow a president, in theory, to simply refuse to spend appropriations by Congress. More than just an avenue to cut spending, Trump sees that kind of authority as key to starving, and thus crushing, the so-called “deep state.”
But such a move would fundamentally alter the balance of power, and any effort to restore the long-forgotten authority virtually guarantees a protracted legal battle over who exactly controls the power of the purse. Trump welcomes that fight. Some budget experts believe he won’t get anywhere.
In a statement to RealClearPolitics, Trump described the impoundment power as "the secret weapon" to squeezing out "the bloated federal bureaucracy while still doing everything America needs and more."
"This constitutional power of the President should never have been curtailed," the former president added, "but I will get it back and will use it to stop inflation and bring federal spending under control."
Regardless, advisors close to the former president tell RealClearPolitics they are drawing up plans to challenge the 1974 Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act in court, and if that fails, to lean on the legislature to repeal it. The latter would require passing a law to surrender power, something lawmakers are loath to do.
Congress already went to war with another president who had expansive views of his own authority. And Congress won.
Inflation in the 1970s, the Nixon White House complained, was the result of a profligate “Credit Card Congress.” The California Republican warned Capitol Hill not to spend in excess of $250 billion. When his warning was ignored, Nixon simply refused to spend the appropriated money. A rebuke from the Supreme Court followed when the president impounded funding for environmental projects. But weakened by Watergate, Nixon eventually signed legislation effectively surrendering a power that had been exercised from the presidencies of Thomas Jefferson to Lyndon B. Johnson.
Russ Vought, Trump’s last director of the Office of Management and Budget, calls the concession of impoundment power “the original sin” that ensured “the executive branch no longer plays a meaningful role” in the appropriations process. Vought told RCP in an interview that the power of the purse has become “caricature,” where rather than “setting ceilings,” Congress now sets “spending floors.”
Hence, Trump’s “unhappy” signature on multiple multi trillion-dollar spending bills.
Trump promised he would “never sign another bill like this again” before putting his signature on a “crazy” $1.3 trillion spending bill in 2018. Two years later, he signed another omnibus bill, this one worth $1.4 trillion, that he called “disgraceful.” Both times, Trump justified voting for the bloated bills conservatives loathed by pointing to increased military spending.
Restoring impoundment authority, thus giving presidents an option to curb spending beyond just the veto, current Trump campaign and former Trump administration officials tell RCP that was part of the plan for a second term that never came.
The former president said he believes the 1974 law that gutted impoundment is unconstitutional, and if returned to the White House, would govern accordingly.
“Yes, there's the effort to have it overturned in courts. Yes, there is the legislative effort, but when you think that a law is unconstitutional,” Vought told RCP, the administration ought to look “to do the bare minimum of what the courts have required,” and “to push the envelope.”
Trump did something like this, exercising what Vought called “impoundment-like authorities,” when he froze nearly $400 million in foreign aid to Ukraine, even though the funds were congressionally appropriated. The Government Accountability Office later said that in doing so, Trump violated the law. He was impeached by the House over a phone call to Ukrainian President Zelensky concerning the money.
Trump’s OMB disputed the GAO ruling at the time, saying the administration was simply its apportionment authority to spend the money according to the most efficient timetable.
“The reason why there wasn't an impoundment was because we did not have the authority just to pocket the money and not spend it,” Vought recalled, saying that if a new paradigm was in place, the administration “potentially would have had the ability to go further and pocket the money.”
Trump believes impoundment would be “a crucial tool” in his fight with the administrative state. “Bringing back impoundment will give us a crucial tool with which to obliterate the Deep State, Drain the Swamp, and starve the Warmongers,” he said in campaign video first obtained and reported by Semafor. “We can simply choke off the money.”
His campaign pointed RCP to the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency within the Department of Homeland Security, an entity that House Republicans allege has been involved in censorship of Americans, as a prime example of where dollars could be impounded.
But even some conservatives have their doubts. Kevin Kosar, a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, said that when it comes to cutting spending appropriated money after the fact, there “is a limited amount of wiggle room.”
“The idea that a president is going to achieve any sort of significant savings or reduction in the size of the administrative state by exercising impoundment authorities is patently ludicrous," Kosar told RCP.
The policy wonk agrees that the reform Nixon signed into law, mandating a complex and cumbersome budgeting process, seldom works. But without repealing and replacing that law, he said, “a president flat out refusing to spend money that was clearly appropriated for a particular purpose, saying he just doesn't want to do it, pretty much would be grounds for impeachment.”
Linda Bilmes, an assistant secretary at the Department of Commerce during the Clinton administration, agrees that the current budget process “has become so dysfunctional that it is very ripe for reforms.”
Now a lecturer at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, she points to the partisan gridlock and numerous government shutdowns that are a feature of the current process. “The number of shutdowns in the entirety of U.S. history before 1974,” Bilmes said in an interview with RCP, “was zero.”
Congress has been kicking around ideas for some time on how to reform the way they spend taxpayer money. Lawmakers consistently fail to pass individual appropriation bills, opting instead to approve spending all at once with a single bill, usually at the end of year and the last minute.
Even if the process is reformed, however, Bilmes said that “the basic premise of the law, which is that the Constitution provides Congress with the ultimate authority, is very unlikely to change.”
She added that although she disagrees with the idea that reducing the national debt requires gutting the Impoundment Act, there is a recent precedent for taming runaway spending. Bilmes pointed RCP to the agreements hammered out between Bill Clinton and then-Speaker Newt Gingrich in the 1990s. That is possible again. In theory.
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And no doubt a PhD Geneticist telling you it was a naturally occurring virus that got out of control won't change your mind in the slightest. Just like vaccines and autism.
Because you are an ideologue and not a true scientist. It's that obvious and you fool no one.
Don't know why I bother.
You crave attention because people see you for the piss ant you truly are.
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And no doubt a PhD Geneticist telling you it was a naturally occurring virus that got out of control won't change your mind in the slightest. Just like vaccines and autism. Don't know why I bother.
Are you saying there was no gain of function work done on it?
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And no doubt a PhD Geneticist telling you it was a naturally occurring virus that got out of control won't change your mind in the slightest. Just like vaccines and autism. Don't know why I bother.
Does this "PhD Geneticist" have evidence, ya know, like personal knowledge of this being a "naturally occurring virus" and how it "got out of control "?
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Does this "PhD Geneticist" have evidence, ya know, like personal knowledge of this being a "naturally occurring virus" and how it "got out of control "?
I'm sure Pope Tony gave him talking points..........
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I'm sure Pope Tony gave him talking points..........
Through CNN, NBC and MSNBC.