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Spin Zone / Re: New Democrat TV Ad
« on: October 25, 2018, 06:27:04 PM »
Most people who call themselves liberals probably don't but half the country votes Democrat and right now the Democrat party has been taken over by the radical minority who do believe those things. Thank God a lot of liberals and Democrats are waking up and realizing they've been supporting the wrong side.

I *hope* that what is happening is that people are waking up and realizing that supporting one side or the other consistently is abdicating the responsibility to think for oneself. Thinking for oneself usually entails reaching some conclusions that agree with one side, and others that agree with the other side. Then comes the hard work of prioritizing the issues and deciding which candidate agrees with your own positions in the most areas that you consider high priority, regardless of party.

I used to reflexively vote Democratic because I didn't want to be bothered with doing that work, and because most Democratic candidates were at most center-left. The party has now, as you put it, been taken over by a radical minority to the point where I need to know a lot more about a Dem candidate before I will consider voting for them. That doesn't mean I won't vote for a Democrat, but it sure won't be a default choice.

I haven't walked away from the Democratic party; I was never a registered member anyway. But they've sure walked away from me.

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Spin Zone / Re: New Democrat TV Ad
« on: October 25, 2018, 07:17:34 AM »
Then make cogent arguments why the Democrat, Liberal/Progressive agenda is better than what Trump, and Republicans want to do. I'm not saying I agree with divisive statements, but Hillary called us Deplorables, then recently said they could not be civil until they took back power.  Eric Holder than said it was OK to kick people in which he disagreed.  Antifa, and BLM are Democrat supported groups that use violence, and intimidation.   

So who is the uncivil ones?

BOTH sides have made statements that promote uncivility. I would put the video in the OP in the category of less-than-helpful issuances from the right. As I read his post, that's all SkyDog was getting it, that satires intended to make the other side look stupid rarely lead to productive discussion.

PBS had an interview a night or two ago with Ben Sasse about his new book. Has anyone read it? I'm considering getting it as I thought most of what he said was spot on. (Then again, that might be a good reason NOT to waste my dollars on it.)

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Spin Zone / Re: Honor, Dignity and Victimhood
« on: September 09, 2018, 10:20:15 AM »
He's definitely a systems thinker. My takeaway from the second talk was that liberals and conservatives both act from moral perspectives, but prioritize different aspects of innate human morality. We need to appreciate that and understand it in order to be able to talk to each other. As someone who no longer identifies as liberal, I very much appreciate that perspective. For me the transformation began when I moved to a state where firearms have been a part of the culture for hundreds of years, that is being displaced by leftists who came in, like me, from elsewhere, intent on transforming the state into something more like Canada, with strict controls on gun purchases and ownership. Yet firearms are used in criminal activities here very rarely, and the per capita violent crime rate is also one of the lowest in the nation. Didn't make sense to me, still doesn't (even after the near mass shooting at Fair Haven). Then came the 2016 election, which I've been trying to understand ever since, both the popularity of Trump and the extreme reactions from some on the far left.

So at this point I'm a female ex-liberal with libertarian leanings, trying to find common ground between left and right to resist the polarization that seems to be tearing this country apart. From what I've seen so far, I like this guy a lot.

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Spin Zone / Re: Honor, Dignity and Victimhood
« on: September 09, 2018, 07:07:22 AM »
There is often a disconnect between students viewing themselves as the customer because in their minds many are NOT paying their tuition.  The government, through loans, and loan guarantees are seen to be paying their tuition.  It is "free money" to them, and that is why many don't think they have to pay it back.  Want to see why universities charge so much for tuition, and room and board?  Blame the government.  They charge as much as the max loan amounts.

I think you're partly right, in that the government is to blame, but they charge not so much whatever the "market" will bear (whatever the government will loan their "customers"), but what they need to in order to stay afloat with the administrative glut that is the reality inside all universities in recent years. This is pretty far above my pay grade, but my impression is that most of that glut is to comply with federal regulations. A couple of examples are the ADA and Title IX. Thus my employer has an Academic Achievement Center that's largely designed to improve the experience of students with disabilities (and also those for whom English is a second language), and a Title IX officer and associated staff.

Last year I sat on the calendar and scheduling committee, charged with setting important dates and scheduling final exams. You would not believe how hard it was to settle on when to start the so-called spring semester in January. Most of the colleges wanted the third week in January, but the graduate college needs to start the first full week of the year because they are on what amounts to trimesters. Why is this a problem? Because some undergrad seniors take courses in the graduate college, and federal regulations require that the semesters be synchronized and of equal length, among other requirements, as part of the eligibility conditions for federal financial aid. Even the financial aid office could not tell us for certain what it would take to get the university in compliance with the federal regs. Eventually we had to kick the problem up to the faculty senate for a final decision. I would bet good money that the end result will be yet another office created whose responsibility it will be to stay abreast of this and related information. Faculty positions are frequently cut, but administrative ones never are; they only multiply.

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Spin Zone / Re: Honor, Dignity and Victimhood
« on: September 08, 2018, 07:03:47 AM »
Students are not the customer, they are the product.  The purpose of a university is to prepare the product to be in the best position possible to be purchased ("hired") by the real customer, the employer.  This view has largely disappeared from universities and the load of preparing the product has shifted to the customer.  "Some assembly required."

I would add, though, that the "student as customer" paradigm is really not new. College tuition was historically paid for by the students and their families. Public funding for universities on the scale we see today didn't exist prior to WWII, and really took off during the Cold War. What is new is that the "customer" (most importantly the parents) no longer understands the purpose of higher education and expects universities to continue to coddle students and protect them not only from physical danger, but even from assaults against their self-esteem. I salute the academic fellow in the OP for trying to educate the public about the real mission of higher education, but I also think that along with waking people up to what university is really about, college administrations need to be more assertive that the correct paradigm is, as you say, that the graduate is the product. Of course tuition is revenue and without revenue the institution dies, but at the same time if you're afraid to expose students to real challenges then you cheapen the true value of your product, and in the end the result will be the same.

A colleague was recently denied tenure entirely on the basis of student evaluations despite a solid record in scholarship and service. He was perhaps not the greatest teacher, but he was unpopular mainly because he insisted that students meet high standards to achieve high grades. There is a new movement at some universities to rely more on peer evaluation of teaching instead of student evaluations. Some colleges have declared openly that student evaluations will still be done, but will not be considered for promotion and tenure purposes. I think this is a step in the right direction, but it is only a step.

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Spin Zone / Re: Honor, Dignity and Victimhood
« on: September 07, 2018, 06:31:21 PM »
Excellent talk.

In the context of the university, I believe that the reason this "safety culture" is supported and allowed to thrive on campus is the paradigm that the student (or his/her parents) is the customer, and the customer is always right. Students bring safety culture into the university because they have been raised into that mindset in grade school and high school, and the university administration is afraid to do its job and challenge it for fear of losing the customer. The result is that students have virtual veto power over speakers invited to campus. If you invite a social scientist with a controversial theory that offends some members of a group who have been indoctrinated with "safety" or "victimhood" culture, those students and their supporters can raise enough of a stink to get the invited speaker disinvited. This has happened many times, and in some cases has led to much worse than disinvitation, including activists (who may or may not be directly connected to the students) harrassing, stalking, and/or making threats against the unfortunate would-be speaker.

He is absolutely correct that this is not in the best interest of the students. University is not about fostering an environment where students won't get their feelings hurt; it's about challenging preconceptions, learning to think for yourself, and gaining the skills to defend your principles with reasoned arguments. Censoring controversial ideas because they might offend someone is contrary to the purpose of the university. The only situation where it might be justified is where the would-be speaker is advocating physical violence, or where there is reason to expect that violence might erupt as a result of the event. But lectures by controversial speakers have been canceled for reasons that have nothing to do with threats of violence... and it has happened many times.

I'll just add that so far I know of no such student-forced disinvitation at my current institution. But I'm still fairly new here, and the subject hasn't come up in discussions I've been part of... yet.

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I concur completely, but to say so in public would be deemed racist.  And that is not a joke.

Values and responsibility are learned traits.  Some people learn the easier than others, but for the most part, people will turn out in a predictable manner considering how they are raised.

Why would that be deemed racist? Actually, I mostly agree with that. And disagree that the "armed society is polite society" is necessarily true, though I like it as a slogan.

In Vermont, guns are mostly used responsibly because of culture, upbringing, values, as you say. The fact that they are rarely used for violent crime has little to do with the fact that anyone could be packing; I don't, and I don't think most people, give that fact a second thought on a day to day basis. There is also the sense of community that is very strong here. People know, and rely on, their neighbors; that cohesion and interdependence, as well as the low population density, reduces the kinds of stresses and conflicts between people that can trigger people with mental illness to act out violently, reach for a gun to "convince" someone to get off their lawn, etc.

That culture and upbringing is lacking in most parts of most big cities where crime (and violent crime) is rampant. And stresses are much higher. That's not racist, it's just the truth.

Don't mistake what I'm saying for calling for greater regulation of gun sales. I think we're past the point of diminishing returns there and would like to see some relaxation where it's practical. I just don't think that is practical in big cities, and don't have a problem with the existing restrictions staying on the books there. Here in Vermont, there has been a movement for some while to toughen up the gun laws, that was given a big push forward a couple of years ago when a DCF social worker was stalked and shot dead by an angry, mentally ill mother. Gun control advocates started screaming that she should never have been able to buy a weapon. I consider that a kneejerk reaction to an isolated incident, and I'm happy that our Gov. Scott is against stricter legislation. I would vote against any state congressman that tried to push that legislation through because it's an unnecessary imposition on Vermonters and would be a sad loss of freedom for the state.

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Spin Zone / Re: U.S. out of Paris Climate Agreement?
« on: June 02, 2017, 10:46:13 AM »
Depends, will the funding and studies truly be independent, or will they be to justify a desired outcome?
Not sure what you mean by the funding part. Obviously I agree that the studies need to be independent and unbiased.

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