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Spin Zone / Re: Mask

« on: July 11, 2020, 10:07:29 AM »

Quote from: Little Joe on July 11, 2020, 09:48:41 AM

Yesterday I had to go to the hardware store, the pool supply store and the grocery store. They were all about a half mile apart.
When I got to the HW store, I put on the mask, went in, got a few drip irrigation couplers and returned to my car (after paying of course). At my car I debated taking the mask off, because I only had one, but my next stop was minutes away and I would just have to put it on again so I left it on. Again returning to my car I left the mask on for the 3 or 4 minute drive to the grocery store. Fifteen minutes or so later I again returned to my car for the trip home. So I took my mask off.

Now please tell me why you think I should have taken the mask off and on three times?

Your post was funny enough, and I did laugh at it. But it made me think about those three ladies lined up to get in your bedroom and the fact that you only have one condom. Do you take it off and put it back on each time one of the ladies leaves when you know the next one will be in to see you in a few minutes?

I would take it off to blast the AC on my face. Been in the 90s in Ohio this past week. If I'm lucky enough to have 3 ladies lined up to take advantage of me, I'm gonna pop a handful of viagra and get busy. Lack of condoms ain't going to stop me.

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Spin Zone / Re: If masks are so necessary...

« on: July 10, 2020, 03:17:44 PM »

The use of the word 'Stupid' so many times makes me think of teenagers chatting using the word 'Like'.

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Spin Zone / Re: Criminal Investigation of Trump Coming: SC Rules He Must Turn Over Tax Records

« on: July 10, 2020, 11:23:26 AM »

Quote from: Steingar on July 09, 2020, 06:17:39 PM

Hard cases make bad law. I doubt the State of New York will get anything out of it, I doubt very strongly Trump was doing anything at all illegal. He was making bank on his reality tv and his golf courses. Also, perhaps I’m mistaken, but aren’t the returns in question his State tax returns that he filed in NY?

I believe it’s a federal prosecutor in New York, so I presume she’s demanding Federal tax returns.

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Spin Zone / Re: Mask

« on: July 10, 2020, 09:57:06 AM »

Quote from: Little Joe on July 10, 2020, 09:36:32 AM

I didn't realize that was a serious question to which you actually wanted an answer.

Risks are relative. I feel the risk of which you speak is small and manageable. The only time I ever had a moisture problem on a mask was when I was cleaning out a dusty warehouse on a hot and very humid day. I was sweating and breathing heavy. There was no viral or bacterial threat, but I changed masks anyway as the moisture mixed with the dust to clog it up.

I look at it the same as I look at people that don't wear seat belts because they heard of a crash where the non-belted occupant was thrown clear of an exploding car. Had he been belted in, he would likely have died. But compare that to the number of lives SAVED by seat belts and that risk seems insignificant.

Yeah, a lot of people wear crappy masks and bandannas, and a lot of people wear the masks incorrectly (below the nose) and they fidget with the mask, and THEY EVEN TAKE IT OFF AND PUT IT BACK ON every time they get in and out of their car. But overall, masks reduce the rate of transmission of the virus. It's just cheap, but admittedly imperfect, protection against a potentially fatal disease.

You honestly don’t think you build up moisture by breathing through the mask?
I wear glasses. Every single breath I take the mask fogs up my glasses. Every single breath. Where is that moisture coming from?

You’re a pilot. What do you think those fog molecules consist of?

You don’t sweat in Florida? Especially if you KEEP YOUR MASK ON IN THE CAR? (Just mimicking you’re dramatic capitalization about people who have the audacity to take a mask off in the car.)

You may think the risk to the wearer is remote. That’s a subjective opinion based on no science nor observable fact. Sorry, I’ll take my health more seriously.

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Spin Zone / Re: If masks are so necessary...

« on: July 10, 2020, 08:51:38 AM »

I'll take "what is ad hominem" for $200, Alex.

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Spin Zone / Re: Mask

« on: July 10, 2020, 06:49:06 AM »

consider virus strand vs droplet containing a virus payload.

but, if you wish, alert the CDC and all the actual medical experts worldwide that perfessor POS has spoken.

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Spin Zone / Re: Mask

« on: July 10, 2020, 05:17:49 AM »

It was the way he said it. You can have the virus and not know it, being asymptomatic and pass it along to someone who is very vulnerable. My wife is at high risk of perishing from the virus, and I do everything I can to prevent bringing it home. Wearing an N95, using sanitizer often, and scrubbing down when I come home is a small price to pay to keep her healthy. I know that I can't depend on others to not spread the virus. It's up to me to keep me and my family safe. Just like it's always been.

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Spin Zone / Re: Mask

« on: July 10, 2020, 04:46:38 AM »

Quote from: Steingar on July 09, 2020, 06:14:20 PM

Again the Sultan of Stupid strikes. You must rule over stupid hell. You can transmit the virus to others before you ever have it. The part where you wind up bedridden for weeks or in the ER comes later. Duh.

"You can transmit the virus to others before you ever have it". Really? I don't have the virus, yet I can still transmit it? How exactly does that work?

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Spin Zone / Re: Mask

« on: July 09, 2020, 02:44:06 PM »

Quote from: Lucifer on July 09, 2020, 02:23:03 PM

Imagine a virus so deadly you have to be tested to know if you even have it.

Anyone notice the reluctance to test everyone?

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Spin Zone / Re: Mask

« on: July 09, 2020, 12:21:18 PM »

Quote from: Lucifer on July 09, 2020, 12:06:30 PM

https://www.thedailyfodder.com/2020/07/3-states-account-for-42-percent-of-all.html

Bussing infected patients to nursing homes, but releasing infected prisoners into society.

This isn’t about Covid, people.

It’s the implantation of Orwell’s 1984.

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Spin Zone / Re: Mask

« on: July 09, 2020, 11:51:41 AM »

Quote from: Steingar on July 09, 2020, 11:30:52 AM

So far the 'rona has killed more Americans not during flu season than 3 or 4 years of influenza might. And that's with us doing our utmost to keep rates of viral transmission low. And we don't accept influenza, we immunize the crap out of susceptible populations. Problem with influenza is it can recombine chromosomes, allowing it to evade immunity.

Are you actually comparing covid-19 to the influenza out of season?

Now you're claimiing that we are "doing our utmost to keep rates of viral transmission low"? oy, if that is what you think is the utmost, you need to get a reality check.

Sure, we have vaccines for the flu...and we still lose 35,000 to 60,000 people every season to the flu... partly because the damn fools with the flu don't stay home.

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Spin Zone / Re: If masks are so necessary...

« on: July 09, 2020, 11:14:47 AM »

The original concept and Genesis of this website, Pilot Spin, was that it was an offshoot of POA and essentially POA's off Balance Sheet Spin Zone. So of course people are going to participate in both and read other members posts. Duh!

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Spin Zone / Re: Mask

« on: July 09, 2020, 08:13:55 AM »

Quote from: Little Joe on July 09, 2020, 04:56:32 AM

Key words being "managed and mitigated" risk. We pay hundreds of dollars for "certified" parts that would cost $5 on the open market because the government tells us to. Pilots take recurrent training because the government tells us to. IFR pilots won't fly in IMC if they are not "current" per the FAA rules. We don't drink and fly, we don't fly over gross, we make sure we have that stupid little compass correction card that nobody ever uses because the government mandates us to "be safe".

But people don't want to wear a $3 mask because they are not 100% guaranteed to keep them from catching a serious disease. Perhaps as pilots, we should fly in IMC using only an Ipad because it is not guaranteed to kill us.

Your $3 mask can likely create a moisture spot in front of your nose and mouth that acts as a wick when you walk through an aerosol germ cloud, allowing you to breath in the germs when you’re well past the person who sneezed or cough.

So pardon the hell out of me if I don’t want to risk my own health so you feel more comfortable.

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Spin Zone / Re: Mask

« on: July 09, 2020, 07:15:28 AM »

Quote from: Little Joe on July 09, 2020, 06:54:00 AM

Perhaps your definition of necessary is being applied differently than mine.

You have said you won't wear a mask into a business unless the business requires it. I guess that constitutes "necessary".

I wear a mask in a store if there are any other people in there because I personally think it is necessary to reduce exposure to a serious disease, even if that disease isn't as fatal as often as it used to be due to various reasons, including better treatments. It might not protect me to any appreciable extent, but it may reduce the spread to others in case I have recently been infected without knowing it. If reducing the spread reduces the case rate, then it takes away the liberals ammunition to close the schools and stores and give everybody free money for not working.

I can't believe I am on Steingar's side of this issue.

Well, every business I have been in has required a mask. I limit my need to go into these places, but sometimes we need their goods or services. Where I differ from you is that I do not think masks are effective, nor at all necessary. My State has indicated any face covering is classified as a "mask" and therefore all businesses accept whatever you wear. A scarf, bandanna, etc are perfectly fine. I wear a cheap, dust mask designed for construction use. It does absolutely nothing for Virus mitigation. I don't care. It gives the appearance I am wearing a mask and allows me to shop.

Also, when City and State Governments nationwide said it was OK for BLM and Antifa "protesters" (rioters, looters, arsonists, murderers) to NOT wear masks and could congregate by the thousands because "Social Justice was more important than Social Distancing", it confirmed the entire Mask thing was SCAM.

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