PILOT SPIN

Hillary has one of the nastiest personalities for a politician imaginable.  Most politicians realize they have to have a friendly outgoing personality to attract supporters, but Felonious has this dark brooding hate filled personality that she cannot hide.  Add in that is her "I'm smarter than you, and much better than you" projection.  How anyone could look at this grifter with a compulsive lying disorder and even remotely believe she could be qualified for anything is beyond me.

 It would take a real moron to believe.......oh wait, nevermind.   

Well even a ton of true left wingers see Hillary for what she is. She can barely pull off representing the ideal of economic collectivism which requires a plausible pretense of empathy toward the common man. And by man I mean person of any gender.

She's basically just an incompetent female indoctrinated in youth to hate men, and then hitched a ride to power on a narcissistic male's coat tails, and, like so many incompetent females, hates and despises the very man she needs, because she needs him, while simultaneously hating and despising her own gender just for being itself (I ain't no cookie baking hausfrau). Winning the 2016 presidency would have justified it all. She would have held the crown of the first female POTUS and (like with BHO) history would ignore or forgive or forget whatever unsavory undeserving pathway she took to get there.

Losing that election glaringly highlights just how meaningless her entire life has been.

Then you fall into the tiny misinformed camp.

What exactly am I misinformed about?

Then why do people whine longer and louder about a problem that is actually decreasing?

I grant the point that you cannot achieve 100%, that's a typical reality that the costs approach infinity as you approach zero. Even the Berlin Wall couldn't keep everyone on one side. But to assume there is no longer a problem because it has decreased is not a good enough reason to continue the terrible policy of allowing disrespect for our immigration law. A message must be sent. I favor not only a wall but we shoot on sight anyone caught trying to cross it illegally. At the same time I favor loosening and streamlining legal immigration. We actually need immigrants, especially young ones. We like most of the first world are facing a population decrease crisis that is not on most people's radar but will soon reach catastrophic proportions.

But it's a terrible idea to allow immigrants to self select. Below you ask if I've been harmed by illegals or native citizens, of course I have. Anyone who burdens social services has harmed me and every other tax payer. If your point is that illegals have harmed me less than native citizens have then I ask why on earth should that be a reason to not do anything about it?

This country needs healthy young adults to fuel an economy to support the boomer retirees, to pay into the social security system. Illegals work under the table and steal others' SS numbers. No one should enter this country unless they've been vetted as not criminal and as possessing a skill that is needed by our economy.

Is illegal immigration the problem you really want us to sacrifice tons more money and freedoms to solve?

I would rather spend money to build and patrol a wall than pay for medical treatment when illegals show up at the ER with a runny nose and maternity and neonatal services for illegals.  Those costs get passed on to us. How do you not have a problem with that? I would rather spend money to build and patrol a border wall than continue in Iraq. If I had a time machine and were king I would go back and take all the money we wasted on Vietnam and build the wall back then.

You know - legal and illegal aliens, the water of the Canadian portion of the Columbia river, the sandy air of the Sahara, the polluted air of China, TCP/IP traffic from India, and a myriad of other things that cross U.S. borders all have in common that they should only be subject to regulation or control where they cause identifiable victims. That's my position.

That's my position too as a libertarian, and I do have a concern that Trump's wall could impact the flow of goods across that border. I have a direct eye on that data as part of my job. But my position is there is great harm done (that I see and apparently you don't) by not enforcing immigration law.

Exercise of sovereignty: you once indicated this as an (or the) underlying reason to enforce immigration laws. That, IIRC, without enforcement there would be no meaningful sovereignty.

And that would be it.

I don't see the connection, though.

And this baffles me. You don't see the point of locking the door to your house?

The sovereignty of, say, Wisconsin's government over its declared area is not lost by an influx of Minnesota aliens.

It can be. An influx of people from one state to another can change the whole voting demographic for example, and change the culture. But states belong to a republic with commerce written into our Constitution, it really isn't comparable.

 The aliens may be simply there for the cheese (or to watch the Vikings beat the Packers) - though if the Minnesota militia showed up Wisconsin's sovereignty would be in peril if the Minnesotans tried to enforce their laws in Wisconsin. But none of that sort of thing is happening with illegal immigrants from central America to the U.S. They're here to stand around on corners (well they used to, years ago - I remember that well) waiting to be picked up for odd jobs like mowing our lawns, harvesting our crops, and sell us gassy Mexican food.

Don't be ridiculous. There are huge changes to our culture and demographics caused by legal and illegal immigration. I have no problem with that. I live in the middle of an amalgam of American/Mexican culture here in south Texas. It's actually the emergence of a new culture that is neither one nor the other, but unique and wonderful in its own way. There are good and bad consequences of human mass migrations into already occupied territory. It's the story of our whole evolution, of any living creature's evolution. In the grand scheme of things it's not really going to matter. (And it does not matter that "they were here first" - no they weren't. There is no human alive today that was displaced by the white man when our nation was born.) But in the here and now: It does matter.

Lots of folks employed, its true.  How much that's due to his Trumpness versus persistently low energy prices is quite debatable.  What isn't debatable is most of the wealth generated is staying in very few hands, not a lot of it is percolating down.

I do not talk to many people about wealth.  Part of it is due to the fact that I am not a social butterfly, part is due to the fact that we have some money saved and I do not brag.  My wife is frugal. I used to be before I became a pilot (I still spend less than I could).

One set of grandparents had a paid for farm. 

My other grandparents had a few hundred thousand in the bank.  He worked a union job and grandma was a stay at home mom. They saved like crazy.

We come from savers.  That being said, most of our family spend like crazy. 

If you spend everything you bring in, you will never have any money or be wealthy. 

Pointing out that some people are wealthy and other are not is a cop out.

Isn't it amazing that California legalized this type of fraud.

So you're saying that Obama arranged the riot that wound up costing Stevens his life.  That's quite the conspiracy theory, even for you guys.

No, nobody is saying they created the mob.  However, they used the situation to let four Americans die as a CONVENIENCE by not giving them the adaquete security, defense, nor come to their rescue when they could have.  The Ambassador had been begging for more security, and defense capabilties for months.  He was ignored. 

I figured the PilotSpin governing council was busy deliberating. LOL!

Ha!  We’re always drunk anyway, so “deliberating” is a relative term.

Actually we were at the ICAS Convention in Vegas looking to spend PS membership dues on hookers and blow.

You are in the Good 'ol US of A.

Speak Spanish.

Most anti gun people want to ban the scary black gun, but are ok with the "regular" looking gun. Guess what? They are the same gun, a semi-auto rifle that holds 15 rounds that can be shot surprisingly quick.