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Spin Zone / Re: aaaaw. How sad
« on: July 20, 2019, 10:40:13 AM »
how interesting, I can actually like/unlike my own post.


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Spin Zone / Re: Racist
« on: July 18, 2019, 11:50:38 AM »
Because he singled out people of color for his diatribe.
Correlation D.N.E Causation? Right, Mr Scientist?

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Spin Zone / Re: Racist
« on: July 18, 2019, 11:18:35 AM »
Because he singled out people of color for his diatribe.  Hence indicating that they aren't real Americans to start with.  He's done this all along, skirting on the edge of racism without overtly stepping over, just so his little fanboys like you would have a reason to defend him.

The really sad thing is Reagan's America was a shining city on the hill, showing all the world the grace and superiority of America's values.  This sort of hate based electioneering is anathema to previous Conservative thought and ideology.  I might not have agreed with Conservatives about a lot, but I certainly respected them and their views.  Not anymore.  No this lot.
Bull fucking shit.

If “people of color” are inoculated from any and all criticism, including harsh criticism, because doing to is deemed to be racist, then the tyranny of the minority has already won the battle.

Of course that premise is bullshit, yet that’s the entire protective shield of the left, including you. It’s a cowardly way to live, and threatens freedom of speech that we all should have.

And when a leftist starts citing Reagan, then you know they are on their way to losing the war.

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Spin Zone / Re: Racist
« on: July 18, 2019, 10:58:11 AM »
When Obama was first elected, there were a bunch of black people on the news talking about how excited they were to vote for the first time. This wasn't young people, but people 40 years and up, and that they were excited to vote for a black person. How come nobody calls them racist for voting for a black person?

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Spin Zone / Re: Racist
« on: July 18, 2019, 10:54:20 AM »
A damn nice example of the politics of hate if ever I saw it. Not, "what do you find wrong and who can we together seek to fix it", but rather" if you don't like it lump it"!  This is the sort of cry raised by those either deaf or immune to well intentioned constructive criticism.
I would consider "If you don't like it, leave" to be well-intentioned constructive criticism.  We would all be better off if the left would offer useful suggestions and not just hate speech.  Giving all my money to government is not a useful suggestion.

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Interesting analysis from the other side:

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/07/polls-voters-like-trump-mass-deportation-raids-but-not-racist-tweets.html
My take is that is because the vast majority of people don't read his tweets.  They read what the MSM selects for them to read.  If all I read was what the media filters, then I would probably not like his tweets either.

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I stand by what I said: he needs to stay off Twitter and learn to control himself.
My wife and her family think Trump should stay off Twitter too. 
Because they don't like him and they don't like what he has to say.
They would MUCH prefer to just read negative articles about him on CNN, MSNBC, WAPO, NYT, etc . . .
They aslo think FOX should be shut down because they don't like what they say either.

Control himself?  Perhaps he should be force fed the same drugs liberals dose young boys with to stop them from acting like young boys.


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"Science is settled."
-Sir Issac Newton speaking on the Cosmos

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The popular belief of Science and the Media in the 1970's was that an ICE AGE was imminent.  I lived through it and remember the hand wringing, and being taught about it in Science class.  The causes were man made pollutants, including industrial pollutants, an CFC's. 

Bottom line?  It NEVER HAPPENED.  So the scientists FAILED.  The MEDIA FAILED, and thank goodness we didn't further ruin an already poor economy by the "fixes" they wanted to put in place.  Oh, they succeeded in SCARING the weak minded just like they do today.
Face it Anthony. We have two scientists telling us what we heard grown up was remote and hyperbolic. The science was questionable if not nonexistence. In other words, you can’t believe what you read because...science.

Similarly, these same two scientists say that with respect to man-made climate change WE are being hyperbolic; our science is questionable if nonexistent. In other words, you can’t believe what you just read in this thread because...science.

I’m not willing to try to find the articles that I’ve read that challenge the level of support for the man-made aspect of climate change while discounting the effect of natural or solar variations in climate, so apparently until you and I do some research and submit peer-reviewed studies and raw data we need to sit down and shut the fuck up. Now get back in line like a good lemming.

I guarantee you the expert scientists in Congress like chemist Ocasio-Cortez have not read a single peer-reviewed article on climate change either. But that’s ok, because what the “scientific community” is implying further her socialist goals, so the facts are irrelevant.

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Except that that wasn't the way I intended it. I think most of Trump's followers also like his actions and policies - heck, I like SOME of them myself. The fact that they ALSO react to his pot stirring doesn't change that at all.

The "implication" is how you (and apparently Eppy) read it.

Or is it how someone takes a comment that determines whether it actually IS insulting?

That is exactly the logic by which the MSM labels Trump's tweet against Omar racist.

I admit that the more they attack Trump, the more I'm inclined to support him. But it's not Trump's pot stirring making me feel that way, it's the attacks. When the herd mentality forms a lynch mob, I will almost always defend the target. Because most of the time the herd is wrong.

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Great? Heaven help us if our politics stoops that low. You're probably right, but the other side has a lot of mud to toss at Trump too. So Campaign 2020 becomes a shit-slinging fest, and all the substantive issues get totally forgotten. It comes down to which "tribe" you belong to. You think that's a good thing?

I doubt there is any grand strategy behind it. I think Trump just likes to stir the pot and get people angry at him, because it gets his followers, people like you, to rally around him. That works, but I think he's mistaken if he thinks it will keep him enough votes from the Rust Belt states that put him over the top in 2016. His antics have lost him a lot of support from that part of the country. His best hope is if the Dems nominate someone from the looney-left progressive wing. The Dems may be rallying around the Squad now, but that won't necessarily give them the influence to determine who gets the nod in Milwaukee. Hopefully saner heads will prevail come next summer.
You’re kidding, right?  The politics of personal destruction is the ONLY way politics works these days. The difference is, any quotes from these women will be quotes from these women, referencing their beliefs and policies, not made up, false flag controversies like someone didn’t pay taxes, put dogs in cages on top of cars, had a binder of female candidates, HALLIBURTON!, used the word “pussy”, golden shower dossier, RACIST!, and other meaningless bullshit.

I’m all for going after the issues, but it truly is naive to believe that Trump should be the first to cease fire when the incoming fire is being taken by him 24/7/365.  In my 59 years on earth I’ve never seen someone take such a beating and keep on coming, for no pay, to make this country as great as it can be.

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I think Trump just likes to stir the pot and get people angry at him, because it gets his followers, people like you, to rally around him.

Thanks for the insult, that tells me a lot. I had some modicum of respect for you. Not so sure now since you went straight to the "D" playbook of insulting those you disagree with.
Please answer a couple of questions......

Do you agree with AOC that we are running concentration camps?  If so, why were those same "concentration camps" not referred to as such when Obama was the President?

Do you agree with Ilhan Omar about 9/11 that "some people did some things"?

Do you agree with Ayanna Pressley when she says, "We don’t need black faces that don’t want to be a black voice," she said. "We don’t need Muslims that don’t want to be a Muslim voice. We don’t need queers that don’t want to be a queer voice. If you’re worried about being marginalized and stereotyped, please don’t even show up because we need you to represent that voice."?

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Yes we are becoming Tribal.  However, once it was OK to be tribal as an American united in respect and admiration for our country and fellow citizens.  Now this tribalism which used to be American Patriotism is now being called Racist by the Democrats and Progressives.  It is now considered White Nationalism, or even White Supremacy to be pro-American. 

Now we even have the term "American" being called Racist.  When will it en?

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The question is whether the voters in 2020 can see through the bullshit and vote on reality (booming economy) instead of petty shit slinging. In Azure's defense, I don't have a lot of faith in the general pubic. They get their news from Facebook and CNN and it's all being spun against Trump.

Also nit: Lucifer talking about what gets your panties in a twist is speculation; we cannot read the minds of others.

But otherwise Azure, I'm sorry, Lucifer is absolutely spot on. What the Dems did in 2016 is way worse than petty shit slinging; it was criminal, unconstitutional, corrupt and traitorous. If the 2020 election is only a shit slinging fest we will doing a lot better than 2016.

And Trump is not stirring the pot first. In every case he is reacting and defending himself against vicious ongoing relentless attack from the left both in Congress and in the media. I have never seen anything like this in my life. It is the worse case of character assassination I think this country has ever experienced.

The Democrats are doing and have been doing everything they can to tear this man down, to make him fail, to ruin his presidency and they don't care a fuck about the country. They would have the U.S. crash and burn if it meant destroying Trump, they will burn down everything we have built in 200 years just to get revenge for the fact that the voters dared reject their Anointed One and place a scrappy outsider in the White House.

But Azure, you are right about one thing: we are becoming tribal. The divide is now deep and possibly irreconcilable. But I disagree with Number 7 that you are a far leftist. I think you are remaining above the divide, still undecided where your true loyalties lie. Or if you're like me, you don't join one or the other, but remain objective on a case by case basis, forming opinions on issues, not which group you most identify with. However the day may come when you'll have to pick up a gun and decide which side you're going to shoot from.

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Spin Zone / Re: Racist
« on: July 17, 2019, 07:28:20 AM »
A master of misdirection.  I haven't heard anything about his taxes for a while and "RACIST!" is being diluted beyond all meaning.  And now everyone can see very clearly who is against him in government, the media, and elsewhere.  It's great having your enemies stand up and look like fools.

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