No money has gone fro GoF research.  You don't even know what it is and wouldn't know it if it bit you in the six. My pet tortoises know more biology than you ever will.   All you know is what you read on Twitter.

The money in Wuhan was to track coronaviruses in bats because

• That's where the bats were that carried them
• the bat coronaviruses had previously jumped into domestic animals and humans

You’re right. Money isn’t fungible, and really, what’s the risk of sending $40 MM US taxpayer dollars to a communist Chinese government lab right next to a Chinese military bioweapons lab?  What could go wrong? 

Lucifer is such an alarmist.

So you’re claiming that the Pennsylvania Department of Health’s information is biased (one of his cited sources,) whereas your un-named, un-cited skeptical stance is sufficient counter-factual and unbiased? Amazing the power of your factually unsupported view over any and all contrary sources of information.

Let's see....

Who does the Pa DOH get significant funding from.........
And what has the Governor of that state done to cause serious distrust about the scamdemic???

I just can't imagine why people won't pander to their bullshit conclusions...

Just can't.

The difficulty with this site is finding anything other than Right Wing blogs that you guys would consider reliable.  I'm sort of hoping that the Smithsonian will do.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/unvaccinated-individuals-are-11-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-than-those-who-are-vaccinated-180978714/

Really is preferable to use the peer reviewed literature. The Smithsonian possesses no particular expertise in these matters and is a lay publication. Pubmed or Google Scholar is usually very helpful. Also this is based on a report by the CDC. The CDC’s WMMR is not a peer-reviewed publication either.

But if we take it as reported as the relative odds of dying from COVID-19, that does not speak directly to the question which Lucifer asked, which is documentation of the fact that the majority of people dying in hospitals are unvaccinated.

As noted by multiple posters above. The relative risk of death if infected and the fraction of people dying who are vaccinated are related but not the same measures. The relationship depends on the fraction of the population vaccinated.

Peter, even the quickest Pubmed search will confirm everything I've said.  It's really basic immunology.  Luciferase claimed it was all BS, I asked why.  Seems reasonable to me.

I believe this thread of the discussion arose when someone asked why you would fear the unvaccinated more than the vaccinated and you responded "Because the unvaccinated contract the illness at a far greater rate, suffer worse disease, and give off far more infectious particles."

Let's see if we can understand this question and answer a bit better.

In defense of this position, I will note that it does seem "reasonable" on the face of it and that calling such a position "BS" is probably not conducive to informative discussion. Where I think a question arises is particularly in regard to the 3rd assertion, that the unvaccinated give off more virions.

I agree this is no doubt true for many previously used more effective vaccines. In those cases, the disease is almost completely suppressed in the vaccinated and they just don't get the illness anymore (or at least with very low probability, say less than 0.5%).

The difference with the present batch of Covid-19 vaccines is that they are of course a new technology and are not as effective as many classic vaccines in common use. For example, even the Pfizer against the alpha variant was only 95% and there are reliable reports that this rate of effectiveness is considerably lower against newer variants.

These differences imply that qualitative reasoning that may have worked for prior vaccines may not work so well here. One can again intuit a number of possible mechanisms that might give rise to the vaccinated giving off, on average in a population, far more virions than with prior illnesses and vaccines. Amongst them:

More vaccinated people being infected with a variant and thus being infectious and shedding virions.
Vaccinated people giving off more virions when infected because of the virus needing to have a higher viral load to overcome the partial immunity provided by the vaccination.
Vaccinated people being unaware of being ill and therefore less cautious in how they interact with others when ill.

Which of these dominates in a particular situation or whether any of these possible mechanisms is actually important in real life cannot be determined by qualitative reasoning because none of the fractions involved in the case of Covid-19 are close enough to 0 or 1 for that to work. Rather, one must measure what is happening in the real world. Biological systems are complex and it is often the case that many possible pathways and mechanisms push and pull against each other in the real world. Measurement is necessary to understand the outcome in these systems.

This is where a Pubmed search looking for the most recent findings of actual studies in the real world can be very helpful.

I don't presently know what the answer to this is. It is entirely possible that there are no good current studies which would answer this in a meaningful quantitative way. In which case really the honest answer is - we don't know if one should be more concerned about the vaccinated or unvaccinated.

Then explain to us in your own words why you think I'm mistaken.

Why not actually see what the peer-reviewed literature on this says? I don't know but a quick PubMed search might be informative.

Intuition and qualitative arguments are often wrong in the real world of biomedicine.

WOW!   I just called my doctor’s office.  He IS now prescribing ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine if you get covid!  Last year he was telling me “no” to hydroxychloroquine.  I wonder what changed his mind.  He’s pretty open minded about alternative medicine in general and I had thought he got brainwashed by politics.

My chiro told me about another practice that is prescribing them and I was considering getting in with them, but they’re a half hour away. My regular doctor is 5 mins away.  Glad I called.

Could it have been pressure from his patients? Has he been reading the studies about them? I’m thrilled because I really like him and was having problems with his position last year.

I had a 10-year old Bose A20 headset that was in desperate need of refurbishment. The batteries would only last 1-2 flights, the cable was cracked, the ear pads were pulling out and torn.

At OSH Bose told me that they usually do refurbishments at the show, but because of Covid, they couldn’t do that. But they wanted to see my headset, recorded the serial number, and handed me a card for a 50% discount off their usual $225 refurbishment cost. I had to pay for shipping there, but they paid for return shipping via UPS.

I sent it in during the last week in September, and just got it back today. Bose replaced the ear cups, the cord and the battery control unit, the head band pads, and the mic - seems like everything except for the ear cups and hard head band. All for $112.50 plus tax, and I basically have a brand new Bose A20.

I purchased a David Clark One-X before sending in my Bose, so now I’ll use the DCs in my NAvion, while my pax get a nice, comfy Bose.

Well done, Bose.