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Spin Zone / Re: “I believe in science”
« on: December 21, 2020, 09:28:09 AM »
When “scientists” accept grants from politicians who have drawn pre-conceived or agenda-driven conclusions, anything can be manipulated. 

Only one man has been infallible; the rest of us, including scientists, priests, even pilots, are highly flawed human beings.

I work in a field where public trust means literally everything.  In fact “public” is in the name of my profession of “Public Accounting.”  Still, bad actors exist. Think Enron and Arthur Andersen. 28,000 Andersen partners and employees lost their jobs.

If only the DOJ held scientists to the same standards as CPAs.

Scientists accept grants from government agencies and charitable foundations.  All of these use groups of scientist to peer evaluate grants to determine which get funded.  Have any of you served on any of these?  I have.  There are no top-down political directives, only the rules of the granters that are understood by the grantees beforehand.  The emphasis has always been on funding the best science.

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Spin Zone / Re: “I believe in science”
« on: December 18, 2020, 10:20:06 AM »
The only thing with which you have to have faith in regards to scientific advancement is that the folks doing it report their work honestly.  That's an easy thing to believe, since the consequences for doing otherwise are dire.

I imagine most of you believe in talking snakes and invisible men in the sky.

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Spin Zone / Re: What Is The Proper Punishment For Election Stealing?
« on: December 03, 2020, 01:47:21 PM »
Multiple witnesses who've offered sworn affidavits are being harassed and threatened.  The number is growing daily.   Even last night at the MI hearing the democrat legislator, after hearing a long testimony of a witness immediately began harassing her, in which the chairman had to shut her down.  Despicable.

 Media outlets are censoring individuals as we type.  Big Tech has cancelled witness accounts and taken down their content.  MSM is refusing to carry any media in which evidence is being presented.


I asked a simple question. Who's been indicted, and who's in jail. 

Most of those alleging malfeasance do so anonymously, or won't come forward to support their allegations.  Most of the allegations that have bene substantiated are simply misunderstandings.  Like I said, Barr, with the weight of the Justice department and the FBI behind him, couldn't find any reasonable election fraud.  Barr, who set  out to find it because that's what his boss told him to do.

I doubt you'll even stop alleging this, no matter how many claims are debunked, no matter how many people fail to come up with any evidence.  I think the only way you'd stop believing it is if Trump himself denied it, and he won't.  But good news, he plans to run again in 2024.  Should be fun.

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Spin Zone / Re: Election 2020
« on: December 03, 2020, 12:37:50 PM »
But that's not what the majority of Democrats were saying/doing.I agree 100% with all of that.But the fact that his suits have been shot down or tossed out doesn't mean they aren't true.

What it means is they lacked evidence.  That is, their basis wasn't factual.  Trump has no facts at all behind him.

The fact that the votes are being certified doesn't mean there wasn't fraud. 

No, but there is no evidence for said fraud. There are no facts supporting it, at least, not enough to sway even a single judge.  Not one.


The fact that the media purposely ignores reports of truck loads of ballots being "found" after the deadline and they are allowed to be counted anyway doesn't make it right.  The fact that judges are making laws and legislators are ignoring laws isn't right, even if it is being allowed.
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The fact that the media purposely ignores reports of truck loads of ballots being "found" after the deadline and they are allowed to be counted anyway doesn't make it right.

The media hasn't ignored any of this, they've debunked them.  Most of the claims of fraud turn out to be nothing of the sort.

The fact that judges are making laws and legislators are ignoring laws isn't right, even if it is being allowed.
The law judges things by fact.  Most of what Trump and his familiars have is innuendo.  Recall he was saying the exact same thing until he narrowly own the 2016 election.  Then all of sudden all his imagined slights mysteriously disappeared.

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Spin Zone / Re: What Is The Proper Punishment For Election Stealing?
« on: December 03, 2020, 12:30:02 PM »
Can you please show us in the US Constitution where it refers to the popular vote with regards to Presidential elections?

You obviously don't read English so good.  What I said was that Trump won by a much narrower margin than Biden.  But no one tried to dispute his victory.

You are, once again, totally missing the point.  What denigrates our faith in free and fair elections is election fraud.   We the people of the United States choose our government, and when that process has been corrupted, we the people demand answers and want a fair and honest review.   That's what is being asked.

All your doing is empowering a guy who claims fraud EVERY time he looses.  He did it when he didn't get his Emmy, he did it when he lost his first primary, and he's doing it now.  But you can't seem to see that because you're blinded by the orange glow coming off his fool head.

 
De-legitimizing our government is allowing people to take office under dubious and suspected circumstances.

The only "dubious circumstances" is your guy lost, can't take it, and you aren't sufficiently clever to see the pattern.  There isn't one shred of evidence of the sort of fraud needed to change the outcome.  Even Trump's biggest stooge, Barr, couldn't find any.  Now that he's announced that little factoid publicly Trump will probably fire him.

But here you are wanting to give in to these foreign entities that have corrupted our election system.  It's people like yourself that is surrendering to them because they helped get your guy elected.
The only one who's engaged foreign entities to swing an elections Trump himself.  Maybe he tried it with the Russians, though I don't think so.  He definitely tried it with the Ukrainians, and I think he tried it with the Chinese too.

The American people again are wanting answers, and they are not wanting to be told by a party that is run by far left Marxist to "Get use to it your guy lost".

No, idiots are wanting answers because they live in a delusional alternate reality where their guy won despite the fact that he got fewer votes and fewer electors.

Just the mere fact that the Progressive Left is putting up such a fight to censor and silence anyone who speaks up against this tells us all where the real problems are.
Please give an example of how someone is trying to censor the idiots who think Trump won the election. Who's been threatened with legal action?  Who's in jail?

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Spin Zone / Re: Election 2020
« on: December 03, 2020, 12:09:35 PM »
What were you saying when the Dems kept saying "Russia, Russia, Russia" for years?
I was saying to let Muller has his say.  And during the whole thing I was saying that I didn't think Trump actually did anything wrong, at least not with intent.  What I did think he did was obstruction, but that's another matter.

All of Trump's lawsuits have been shot down.  The votes are being certified.  The game is up.  Biden is the next POTUS. 

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Spin Zone / Re: What Is The Proper Punishment For Election Stealing?
« on: December 03, 2020, 12:05:27 PM »
Biden won through 4 bubble states and the collective margin of victory in those 4 states was under 57,000.  We're not talking about millions of votes, we're talking about fewer than 15,000 votes in each state.  That is way closer than any recent election.
And if I'm not mistaken at least 3 of those states had Republican legislatures, Republican Secretaries of State, and equal numbers of Democrats and Republicans tallying the vote.  That's a lot of people (who you all deride as knuckledragging troglodytes) carrying out massive election fraud.  And unless they were conspiring with each other all these people were independently courting serious jail time if caught.  Biden won by more than Trump did in 2016 (remember, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote) and no one cried foul. 

What I really hate about this is it denigrates our faith in Democracy.  Democracy is the ONLY legitimacy our leaders have.  if we start questioning elections just because our guy didn't win we delegitimize our basis of government. 

And that's just what our adversaries want.  By buying into this garbage you're all helping old Vladimir Putin, who really does punch outside his weight.  Congratulations Comrade.  Fact is your guy lost.  Get used to it.

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Spin Zone / Re: any bets on when this one gets locked?
« on: November 25, 2020, 10:40:13 AM »
I still think it hysterical that you guys regard a little scrap of cloth you put over your face as tyranny.  I wouldn't have guessed that in a hundred years.  You guys must never have seen the sign "no shirt, no shoes, no service".  Those are scraps of cloth too.  Tyranny!

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Spin Zone / Why have Trump and his GOP cronies...
« on: November 11, 2020, 09:05:01 AM »
Accepted all the Congressional election results? Same ballots counted by the same people.

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Spin Zone / Re: Stop the Steal
« on: November 10, 2020, 01:09:41 PM »
 

Now, we have evidence of fraud, and the republicans want to investigate, yet you and your fellow communist want it stopped.   

What is your evidence of fraud?  Some cockeyed statistical analysis?  Or does Trump saying something automatically make it true?

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Spin Zone / Re: The Statistical Probability Dwarfs Imagination
« on: November 10, 2020, 01:08:28 PM »
We are not in transition.  Biden is NOT the president elect.  That doesn't happen until the Electoral College has its say.  Doesn't matter what the MSM says or wants to happen.  I'm sure that once we're all assured that the election is fair and all the legal votes are counted then Trump will assume the second term of his presidency.
Traditionally someone concedes and the transition gets going well before then, since it is a fairly complicated business.  Obama didn't wait until the Electoral college met to meet Trump at the White House and offer assistance in the transition. George W did the same when Obama won. 

You raise one very good point. Votes are still being counted.  But the writing is most definitely on the wall.

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Spin Zone / Re: The Statistical Probability Dwarfs Imagination
« on: November 10, 2020, 01:05:50 PM »
So, your answer is no, statistically unlikely voting patterns should not be investigated (if they benefit Democrats).

The way that guy calculated his statistics was so devoid of basis as to be nearly farcical.  Hey look, if there's evidence of vote fraud by all means.  Find and punish the perpetrators and set the record right.  I don't want my guy to win in a dishonest contest.  But frankly, all I'm seeing is "our guy lost, so it must be fraud especially since he says so".

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Spin Zone / Re: The Statistical Probability Dwarfs Imagination
« on: November 10, 2020, 08:58:29 AM »
Here, let me explain this to you.

 Yes, the Secretary of State oversees the election process put forth in the state's law.  Each county has an election supervisor, who may be an R, a D or an independent.   The county election supervisor is responsible to follow orders from the SoS and the applicable laws.

 Now, let's say in the counties with adult supervision (R) we are seeing little voting issues, but in the major urban counties that are blue (D) we are seeing all sorts of regularities coming in.

 Now it is up to the SoS and the GA Legislature to intervene, which oddly enough, is happening.   Oh, and this is what has the (D)'s upset in GA.  Notice the (R) counties are not pitching hissy fits and welcome an audit and recount.   Tells you all you need to know.

 So, why exactly are you so opposed to election audits and recounts?   Don't you want the elections to be shown as honest with integrity?

 The votes don't have to be certified until Dec 14th, so why the rush?

Where have I said that I was against recounts?  As far as I know, many of these states are going to do recounts because the election was close.  What I said was that most of the Mango Mussilini's objections are baseless, there is no evidence at all of massive fraud.  That's why all his lawsuits have been thrown out.

I agree with the objections that the counts aren't done, in many states they aren't.  The problem is the massive numbers of absentee and other mail in ballots.  There are no provisions to count them quickly, so it takes time.  What is clear is that in the states that have been called, there aren't sufficient ballots outstanding to change the result.

Of course, if the same thing happens in the recount, e.g. absentee ballots have to be scrutinized one by one for signatures, the recounts are going be similarly glacial.

The one thing of which I am absolutely sure, no matter what happens, when Biden is finally announced the winner by whatever body for whom you guys are waiting, Trump will claim fraud and file lawsuits.  He will not concede his loss under any circumstances. He will continue to rail agains the theft of his election until his dying day. No doubt you all will do likewise.

I'm just hoping that Trump is an aberration, and not the new normal.  All this divisiveness is really bad for America.

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Spin Zone / Re: Masks don’t work?
« on: November 09, 2020, 01:23:25 PM »
How can you argue with the premier epidemiologist in the nation?  Don't you trust the experts?

I know a crapload more about basic molecular biology that Dr. Fauci.  He is an MD after all.  He knows way more than me about viruses and how to treat them.

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Spin Zone / Re: Masks don’t work?
« on: November 09, 2020, 12:01:21 PM »
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/newly-surfaced-video-july-fauci-tests-dead-virus

I have to disagree with Dr. Fauci on this.  RNAs aren't terribly stable intracellularly.  I doubt you'd pick up an inactive infection unless it was just ending.

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